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1 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 12:39:35am

I just want to say it: I hope Sherrod legally smears Breitbart all over the pavement. That is all. Goodnight lizards.

2 tnguitarist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 12:42:27am

Man, it sure is roomy in here.

3 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 12:42:31am

I'm out too. Hopefully. Damn insomnia.

4 tnguitarist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 12:43:51am

re: #3 Obdicut

I'm out too. Hopefully. Damn insomnia.

I hear ya.

5 engineer cat  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 1:31:13am

the man-moth, by elizabeth bishop

Here, above,
cracks in the buldings are filled with battered moonlight.
The whole shadow of Man is only as big as his hat.
It lies at his feet like a circle for a doll to stand on,
and he makes an inverted pin, the point magnetized to the moon.
He does not see the moon; he observes only her vast properties,
feeling the queer light on his hands, neither warm nor cold,
of a temperature impossible to records in thermometers.

But when the Man-Moth
pays his rare, although occasional, visits to the surface,
the moon looks rather different to him. He emerges
from an opening under the edge of one of the sidewalks
and nervously begins to scale the faces of the buildings.
He thinks the moon is a small hole at the top of the sky,
proving the sky quite useless for protection.
He trembles, but must investigate as high as he can climb.

Up the façades,
his shadow dragging like a photographer's cloth behind him
he climbs fearfully, thinking that this time he will manage
to push his small head through that round clean opening
and be forced through, as from a tube, in black scrolls on the light.
(Man, standing below him, has no such illusions.)
But what the Man-Moth fears most he must do, although
he fails, of course, and falls back scared but quite unhurt.

Then he returns
to the pale subways of cement he calls his home. He flits,
he flutters, and cannot get aboard the silent trains
fast enough to suit him. The doors close swiftly.
The Man-Moth always seats himself facing the wrong way
and the train starts at once at its full, terrible speed,
without a shift in gears or a gradation of any sort.
He cannot tell the rate at which he travels backwards.

Each night he must
be carried through artificial tunnels and dream recurrent dreams.
Just as the ties recur beneath his train, these underlie
his rushing brain. He does not dare look out the window,
for the third rail, the unbroken draught of poison,
runs there beside him. He regards it as a disease
he has inherited the susceptibility to. He has to keep
his hands in his pockets, as others must wear mufflers.

If you catch him,
hold up a flashlight to his eye. It's all dark pupil,
an entire night itself, whose haired horizon tightens
as he stares back, and closes up the eye. Then from the lids
one tear, his only possession, like the bee's sting, slips.
Slyly he palms it, and if you're not paying attention
he'll swallow it. However, if you watch, he'll hand it over,
cool as from underground springs and pure enough to drink.

6 RadicalModerate  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:10:00am

Dumb: Oregon Tea Party Plagarizing slogans, and attempting to market them as their own.

REALLY DUMB: The stolen slogan happens to be "Anonymous" from 4chan.

Oregon Tea Party Borrows 4chan's Slogan

7 Fart Knocker  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:10:30am

Good Morning Soldiers In Charles' Private Lizard Army!

Today's Simpson Quote:
Homer: "Ah, sweet pity. Where would my love life have been without it?"

8 Fart Knocker  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:20:44am

Off to the salt lick.

BBLL.

9 The Curmudgeon  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:32:18am

Good morning, overnight people.

10 RogueOne  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 3:56:20am

Morning All. Dee Snider, like myself, holds a grudge:

Youtube Video
11 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:40:52am

re: #6 RadicalModerate

Dumb: Oregon Tea Party Plagarizing slogans, and attempting to market them as their own.

REALLY DUMB: The stolen slogan happens to be "Anonymous" from 4chan.

Oregon Tea Party Borrows 4chan's Slogan

Odd. I've never really understood 4chan. Maybe I'm too old or something.

12 Joo-LiZ  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 4:42:58am

Wow, this is a quiet thread. I don't think I've ever seen an overnight thread with only 11 posts ... FOUR HOURS later.

Good morning, everyone!

13 Ericus58  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:04:42am

Wow, my page loads of LGF are really messed up this morning.... the top third of the pages a just squished up tight and the fonts are big. I can't even use the front home page.

Anyone else?
Latest Firefox here.

14 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:07:14am

re: #13 Ericus58

hmmm...everything's normal for me.

15 Fart Knocker  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:07:46am

re: #13 Ericus58

Wow, my page loads of LGF are really messed up this morning... the top third of the pages a just squished up tight and the fonts are big. I can't even use the front home page.

Anyone else?
Latest Firefox here.

Workin for me and I'm on IE 7 at work. No laughing!

16 Ericus58  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:09:02am

Well, I take this story as an indicator of just how out of hand the region in Mexico across the border from the US is getting:

US closes its consulate in Ciudad Juarez

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

"The US has closed indefinitely its consulate in Ciudad Juarez, the Mexican city worst affected by the drugs war being fought by rival gangs.

A statement from the US embassy in Mexico City said the consulate would remain shut until a security review is completed.

In 2009, more than 2,600 people died in drug-related violence in Juarez, across the border from El Paso, Texas.

A US official said the consulate had closed following a "credible threat".

A statement on the consulate's website advised American citizens to avoid the area around the building.

The consulate is the only place handling applications for US residency from Mexican citizens.

The consulate also closed for several days in March after three people - a US employee, her husband and the husband of another staff member - were murdered by gunmen linked to the drugs cartels.

In the wake of the shootings, the US State Department authorised employees at some of the six consulates in Mexico to send family members out of the area.

In April, an explosive device was thrown at the US consulate in Nuevo Laredo, causing some damage but no injuries."

17 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:12:12am

re: #15 rwdflynavy

Workin for me and I'm on IE 7 at work. No laughing!

We just upgraded at my state gov't office to IE7 this week. As LAN coordinator, I can attest my nose and arse are still bleeding from the fallout.

18 Ericus58  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:12:40am

Suspect mail found at US embassy in Paris

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

"A number of employees at the US embassy in France have been taken for medical check-ups after a suspect package was identified at the embassy's mail room, reports say.

Reports say at least two employees were receiving medical attention after opening mail in the embassy, but no other details have been released.

"We have no indication that anyone is in danger or hurt," embassy spokesman Paul Patin said.

The police are investigating, he said."

Developing story......

19 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:15:20am

Wow, everyone is asleep.


Towercam early dawn, with the lights of L.A. still on. San Gabriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone.

Still clinging to guns and religion here.

BTW has Obama ever apologized for that insult?

Good morning all.

20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:16:12am

Watchin' Charlie Rangel squirm is actually kinda fun.

21 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:17:29am

re: #19 Ojoe

BTW has Obama ever apologized for that insult?


Did he insult the tea parties again?

23 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:19:47am

re: #21 Killgore Trout

No, before, but they won't forget.

24 Taqyia2Me  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:27:57am

re: #20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Watchin' Charlie Rangel squirm is actually kinda fun.

Our tax dollars at work.

25 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:32:46am

Morning Honcos. I have dropped 15 pounds in the last 3 to4 weeks. I haven't changed my diet what so ever. Not gonna worry, I'll weigh myself in a week and see what it says. And I'm gonna eat like a pig all week.

26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:34:45am

re: #25 Cannadian Club Akbar

Can I borrow some MRSA from you?

27 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:36:00am

re: #26 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Can I borrow some MRSA from you?

I actually think it is from the heat. Just water.

28 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:36:28am

re: #27 Cannadian Club Akbar

I actually think it is from the heat. Just water.

And CC.
/

29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:36:57am

Note to White House... don't use a pot-head for an Jobless Benefits Extension or Anti-Dorito photo op.

I'm just sayin'...

30 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:38:00am

re: #29 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Note to White House... don't use a pot-head for an Jobless Benefits Extension or Anti-Dorito photo op.

I'm just sayin'...

Whoa! Who is anti Dorito?

31 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:38:46am

re: #30 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well... not pot-heads...

32 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:39:33am

re: #30 Cannadian Club Akbar

Whoa! Who is anti Dorito?

You can have my Salt and Vinegar chips when you pry them from my cold dead hands.
/I know they ain't doritos, btw.

33 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:40:55am

Nothing better then a cuban samich with salt and vinegar chips on it. Yummy.

34 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:42:34am

You can have both... Don't like either.

American Cheese, mayo and Dorito sammich. Yumm...

Hey, if you're high...

35 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:44:04am

So I went to the bank yesterday with only 1 form of ID. To cash my check from when my house was broken into. Got there, they wanted 2 forms. Funny, my SS card has no pic on it. Fuckers.

36 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:48:41am

re: #35 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'll just take my check to Wal-Mart and pay the 3 bucks to China. Wait, what?

37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:50:23am

re: #24 Taqyia2Me

Our tax dollars at work.

But, obviously, not Charlie's tax dollars.

38 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:51:23am

re: #37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

But, obviously, not Charlie's tax dollars.

He is an arrogant piece of shit.

39 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:52:34am

re: #36 Cannadian Club Akbar

Funny about that. Wal-Mart is single handedly destroying the Check Cashing business. Used to be thousands of them. You won't find them within miles of a Wal-Mart anymore unless they're part of a chain.

The chains have taken a big hit too.

Good riddance. They just aren't needed anymore.

Kind of like unions.
/

40 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:52:35am

re: #37 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

But, obviously, not Charlie's tax dollars.

And remember, this will be the most transparent congress ever. EVAH!!!

41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:53:46am

re: #19 Ojoe

That's lovely Ojoe. LA is lovely from a distance, in the dark...

42 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:54:17am

re: #40 Cannadian Club Akbar

And remember, this will be the most transparent congress ever. EVAH!!!

Well? We saw right through his hypocritical ass, didn't we?

43 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:54:34am

A SET of dentures made for Britain's wartime prime minister Winston Churchill went under the hammer last night as auctioneers expected to fetch up to pound stg. 5000 ($8742.79) for "the teeth that saved the world".

The false teeth were specially designed to preserve Churchill's natural lisp, which can still be heard on the morale-boosting radio broadcasts he made to the nation during World War II.

Churchill also used them to vent his frustration when the 1939-45 conflict was not going well by dramatically flicking them out of his mouth, according to Nigel Cudlipp, whose father made the dentures and who is now selling them.

"My father recounted many stories of Churchill putting his thumb behind the front of the teeth and just flicking them," Mr Cudlipp told BBC radio.

CHOP

44 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:54:51am

re: #41 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That's lovely Ojoe. LA is lovely from a distance, in the dark...

Dude, that's where I sell my crack.
/That didn't sound right

45 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:55:17am

Y'all realize that I am stuck in a conversation with CCA...

46 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:55:49am

re: #45 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Y'all realize that I am stuck in a conversation with CCA...

I didn't.
/

47 pharmmajor  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:55:52am

To think for yourself is to be like the hu-man.

48 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:56:43am

re: #45 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Y'all realize that I am stuck in a conversation with CCA...

Wait. This is a bad thing? Bastard.
/

49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:58:44am

re: #43 MandyManners

Now that's an article I can sink my...

Oh, forget it.

50 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 5:58:46am

The much anticipated economic data doesn't look great.....
GDP slows in second quarter to 2.4% rate

New data shows deeper recession, bit slower recovery
51 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:00:21am

re: #50 Killgore Trout

The much anticipated economic data doesn't look great...
GDP slows in second quarter to 2.4% rate

Everything is going great. Stimulus!!
/

52 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:02:50am

re: #51 Cannadian Club Akbar

Everything is going great. Stimulus!!
/

Yeah. The wingnuts are thrilled. Hot Air is celebrating.

53 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:04:59am

re: #52 Killgore Trout

Yeah. The wingnuts are thrilled. Hot Air is celebrating.

I'm sure. The left is making excuses and the far right is celebrating this fucking mess.

54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:06:13am

re: #53 Cannadian Club Akbar

Lots of bad actors...

55 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:07:07am

re: #54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Lots of bad actors douchebags...

56 wee fury  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:07:58am

A commercial.

Youtube Video
57 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:08:21am

re: #49 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Now that's an article I can sink my...

Oh, forget it.

I'll just brush aside your pun.

58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:09:05am

re: #57 MandyManners

For that; you get a plaque.

59 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:09:12am

re: #57 MandyManners

I'll just brush aside your pun.

I got nothin'.

60 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:09:57am

re: #58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

For that; you get a plaque.

Or a crown. I got sumthin'.

61 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:12:06am

re: #60 Cannadian Club Akbar

Or a crown. I got sumthin'.

Just FILLING space here.

62 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:12:26am

re: #60 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm totally enamelled with your response.

63 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:13:05am

re: #62 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm totally enamelled with your response.

Just trying to build a bridge.

64 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:14:51am

re: #50 Killgore Trout

The much anticipated economic data doesn't look great...
GDP slows in second quarter to 2.4% rate

Well there is no real work on my drafting board, just two little piddly jobs, so that means 20 construction workers are idle. I'll see for real when it picks up.

In the meanwhile I have a day job driving trucks for the local food bank. That business is booming.

Down with the financial and political elite.

65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:18:45am

I have never seen this quote before. It is lovely. Inspirational, actually.

"Sometimes when I reflect on all the beer I drink, I feel ashamed. Then I look into the glass and think about the workers in the brewery and all of their hopes and dreams. If I didn't drink this beer, they might be out of work and their dreams would be shattered. I think, "It is better to drink this beer and let their dreams come true than be selfish and worry about my liver."
-Babe Ruth

66 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:19:08am

Investment bank Goldman Sachs has warned its traders not to swear in company emails, and added that their emails will be censored and unacceptable words removed.

According to The Telegraph, they have also been banned from using swear words with asterisks and shorthand for expletives.

The diktat was issued after Goldman Sachs' emails that were released during investigations into the bank's conduct embarrassed the company because they contained swear words.

SNIP

Buncha' fucking wussies nonsense.

67 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:19:47am

re: #58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

For that; you get a plaque.

That one will get you the crown.

68 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:20:10am

re: #59 Cannadian Club Akbar

I got nothin'.

A cavity in your brain?

69 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:20:22am

re: #65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I have never seen this quote before. It is lovely. Inspirational, actually.

My liver can bite me. Uh, maybe not the best thing to say...

70 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:20:28am

re: #60 Cannadian Club Akbar

Or a crown. I got sumthin'.

GMTA.

71 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:20:54am

re: #66 MandyManners

Blood suckers with impeccable manners.

72 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:21:22am

re: #63 Cannadian Club Akbar

Just trying to build a bridge.

Cheeky monkey.

73 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:21:32am

re: #70 MandyManners

GMTA.

SGMTAL.

(some great minds think alike later)

74 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:22:09am

re: #71 Ojoe

Blood suckers with impeccable manners.

I'm not thrilled with the ban.

75 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:22:38am

re: #71 Ojoe

Blood suckers with impeccable manners.

Wasn't the former Gubner of New Jersey the head of Goldman Sachs?

76 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:23:47am

re: #75 Cannadian Club Akbar

Don't know.

77 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:24:52am

re: #76 Ojoe

Don't know.

I think yes.

78 Ojoe  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:24:55am

re: #74 MandyManners

We will have to swear more to make up for it.

BB f'n later.

79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:34:17am

re: #75 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wasn't the former Gubner of New Jersey the head of Goldman Sachs?

And seat-belt advocate.

80 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:35:18am

Fuck you.

81 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:35:38am

re: #79 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And seat-belt advocate.

Heh.

82 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:36:18am

A pox on both their houses - the farce on the Hill.

Along nearly party lines, a measure to provide compensation for Ground Zero workers fell, with all but 12 Republicans voting against the measure and all but 5 Democrats voting for the measure. The $7.4 billion would have gone to treatment, compensation, and expanding the Victim Compensation Fund.

But the Republicans aren't alone in this mess. Democrats deserve all the scorn and derision that can be mustered for protecting the likes of Charles Rangel for more than 2 years over the rising stench of corruption, ethics violations, tax evasion, and other legal issues. Instead of forcing him out the door, they protected him for more than a year and a half, and only recently conceded that he should no longer be Chair of House Ways and Means.

The party out of power thinks that it can act as irresponsibly as it wants without repercussion while the party in power thinks that it can do as it pleases without concern for voters or the law.

A pox on both their houses.

83 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:37:29am

re: #65 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sounds like something Homer Simpson would say...

84 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:38:44am

Corzine. That is the name.

85 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:42:22am

re: #82 lawhawk

A pox on both their houses - the farce on the Hill.

Along nearly party lines, a measure to provide compensation for Ground Zero workers fell, with all but 12 Republicans voting against the measure and all but 5 Democrats voting for the measure. The $7.4 billion would have gone to treatment, compensation, and expanding the Victim Compensation Fund.

But the Republicans aren't alone in this mess. Democrats deserve all the scorn and derision that can be mustered for protecting the likes of Charles Rangel for more than 2 years over the rising stench of corruption, ethics violations, tax evasion, and other legal issues. Instead of forcing him out the door, they protected him for more than a year and a half, and only recently conceded that he should no longer be Chair of House Ways and Means.

The party out of power thinks that it can act as irresponsibly as it wants without repercussion while the party in power thinks that it can do as it pleases without concern for voters or the law.

A pox on both their houses.

And the main reason I generally stay out of most of the lib/con, Repub/Dem debate here. Arguing mildly different sides of the same coin when it gets down to ethics and behavior.

86 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:42:46am

Lots of encouraging news, for us along the Gulf at least.

The oil seems to have disappeared; once they got the gushing under control, the hot conditions in the Gulf seem to have caused a lot of evaporation plus there was some cooperation from the currents; and the President's panel has asked for a review as to whether or not the moratorium is truly necessary for safety reasons.

Both things are great news.

87 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:43:51am

re: #78 Ojoe

We will have to swear more to make up for it.

BB f'n later.

Fucking-A!

88 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:45:33am

Robert Gibbs is an idiot.

89 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:51:46am

re: #88 Cannadian Club Akbar

Robert Gibbs is an idiot.


Why? Rush seems like the idiot to me. I wasn't a big fan of the GM bailout but....

“Look, Rush Limbaugh and others wanted to walk away. Rush Limbaugh and others saw a million people that worked at these factories, that worked at these parts suppliers, that had — that supported communities, and thought we should all just walk away. The president didn’t think that walking away from a million jobs in these communities made a lot of economic sense,” Gibbs said.

If you think the economy is in bad shape now just imagine what it would be like if we didn't have banks and car companies. I don't think it was a good time to kiss off a million jobs.

90 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 6:56:08am

re: #89 Killgore Trout

So, millions of workers lose jobs but heaven forbid we kill union jobs? Politicians are tools. And thank God they knew what dealerships to close.

91 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:00:56am

re: #89 Killgore Trout
And also remember wall the people who bitched about the S and L scandal in the 1980's? Bet they aren't bitching now.

92 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:01:02am

re: #90 Cannadian Club Akbar

So, millions of workers lose jobs but heaven forbid we kill union jobs? Politicians are tools. And thank God they knew what dealerships to close.

Ugh. That's the kind of conspiracy crap that lost all credibility for the wingnuts. I just can't take that nonsense seriously. These are important issues and wingnuts need to learn how to have a realistic conservation about the future of the country. It's just sad.

93 cliffster  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:01:45am

re: #89 Killgore Trout

If you think the economy is in bad shape now just imagine what it would be like if we didn't have banks and car companies. I don't think it was a good time to kiss off a million jobs.

As if the banks and car companies would have just disappeared into thin air. They didn't have any assets, no brand - nothing that would have been bought by more capable companies and reworked to become profitable. Just *poof*. Millions of jobs gone. That's not how companies worked when I was a kid; I guess capitalism has changed.

94 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:02:15am

Some little punk repeatedly face-masked The Kid at practice yesterday and I am steamed. The head coach assured me in an e-mail this morning that he and his staff will watch that little jerk. Jerking someone around by the face mask goes beyond the pale.

95 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:02:28am

re: #88 Cannadian Club Akbar

Robert Gibbs is an idiot.

From your link:

“We’ve got auto companies that for the first time since 2004 all showed an operating profit in the first quarter of this year. It’s adding jobs. And the money that this administration invested — about $60 billion — we believe we’re on the path to recouping all of that. That’s a significant story.

“I’ll let those that sat in the cheap seats a year-and-a-half ago and wanted to walk away” from a milion workers, he continued, “explain to every one of those workers why they made that decision.”

I'm glad the auto companies are showing an operating profit.

Now, somebody please ask Gibbs about the thousands of Gulf Coast jobs that ceased to exist with the imposition of the across-the-board moratorium which does not take into account the inspections done immediately after Deepwater blowout that showed other rigs were operating safely.

96 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:03:19am

Ed Morrisey's asking the important questions: Did the government cause the Gulf spill?
*sigh*

97 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:03:51am

re: #96 Killgore Trout

Ed Morrisey's asking the important questions: Did the government cause the Gulf spill?
*sigh*

Oh, good damned grief!
NOooooooo! Please, no.
Tell me it ain't so.

98 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:06:01am

re: #97 reine.de.tout

Oh, good damned grief!
NOooo! Please, no.
Tell me it ain't so.

They did.
Socialism.
Seekrit Muslim!!
Communism!!

What was the question?

99 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:08:51am

I'm glad if the company I work for doesn't work out, I can count on the gubmet to keep the checks coming. Because small business rules!! Or not.

100 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:09:30am

Weiner's Spitting Mad

Youtube Video
101 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:11:48am

re: #95 reine.de.tout

Operating profit by all three domestics? Not exactly.

Ford had an operating profit without any federal involvement.

GM pulled an operating profit, but it's underlying numbers are still putrid. The company is betting the farm on a loss-leader with the Chevy Volt, the economics of which isn't going to make a profit for the company anytime soon. And the name of the game is making profits. If the company can't produce cars at a profit on a consistent basis, then it will again slide into the red in a big way.

Chrysler somehow managed an operating profit as well.

How did those occur? The bankruptcy reorganizations allowed both to shed bad contracts and rejigger their finances, including some parts of awful deals with the unions (including the jobs bank). However, the companies are anything but on solid financial footing.

And the same result could have been had without federal intervention had the companies sought bankruptcy reorganization prior to the federal infusion of funds (the Bush bailouts - which were followed by Obama's own bailouts). Bush didn't want the bankruptcy/reorganizations on his watch, so he pushed the bailout to dump the mess in Obama's lap. Obama doubled down with his own bailout putting taxpayer dollars on the hook.

No - the bailouts didn't save jobs and the Obama Administration didn't save 55,000 jobs as they're contending.

The reorganizations of both companies that enabled them to shed the bad deals did. And all that bad debt is still around - in Old GMCo, which consolidated all the bad debts and liquidated facilities under one toxic entity.

Reorganization could have been done in 2009 without affecting the Treasury and without the federal interference. Heck, GM and Chrysler could have followed Ford's route in 2007-2009 by making substantive and serious changes to their entire corporate operations. Instead, they limped into government's open arms.

So no, I don't buy into the WH line that they saved jobs.

102 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:13:33am

re: #101 lawhawk

Gibbs asked if Rush drove a Ford. That is why I posted what I did. Idiot.

103 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:19:00am

re: #102 Cannadian Club Akbar

Gibbs asked if Rush drove a Ford. That is why I posted what I did. Idiot.

I don't expect genius out of a White House spokesperson, but at least Dana Perino looked good in Hip Boots.

104 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:19:08am

re: #101 lawhawk

Operating profit by all three domestics? Not exactly.

Ford had an operating profit without any federal involvement.

GM pulled an operating profit, but it's underlying numbers are still putrid. The company is betting the farm on a loss-leader with the Chevy Volt, the economics of which isn't going to make a profit for the company anytime soon. And the name of the game is making profits. If the company can't produce cars at a profit on a consistent basis, then it will again slide into the red in a big way.

Chrysler somehow managed an operating profit as well.

How did those occur? The bankruptcy reorganizations allowed both to shed bad contracts and rejigger their finances, including some parts of awful deals with the unions (including the jobs bank). However, the companies are anything but on solid financial footing.

And the same result could have been had without federal intervention had the companies sought bankruptcy reorganization prior to the federal infusion of funds (the Bush bailouts - which were followed by Obama's own bailouts). Bush didn't want the bankruptcy/reorganizations on his watch, so he pushed the bailout to dump the mess in Obama's lap. Obama doubled down with his own bailout putting taxpayer dollars on the hook.

No - the bailouts didn't save jobs and the Obama Administration didn't save 55,000 jobs as they're contending.

The reorganizations of both companies that enabled them to shed the bad deals did. And all that bad debt is still around - in Old GMCo, which consolidated all the bad debts and liquidated facilities under one toxic entity.

Reorganization could have been done in 2009 without affecting the Treasury and without the federal interference. Heck, GM and Chrysler could have followed Ford's route in 2007-2009 by making substantive and serious changes to their entire corporate operations. Instead, they limped into government's open arms.

So no, I don't buy into the WH line that they saved jobs.

I was going by what the story said (the part I quoted), and no, I don't buy that any jobs were "saved", either.

And in fact, I bought a new car in 2009, and bought a Ford product in part because they took no federal money!

I'm more curious about the administration's concern for the auto jobs; and complete lack of concern for (non-union) Gulf-coast jobs.

105 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:22:25am

re: #100 Killgore Trout

He's got every right to be pissed. He's not alone. I am pissed. Heck, Peter King was pissed at his fellow GOPers for voting this down. I'm pissed at GOPer Scott Garrett who voted against this despite some of his constituents being directly affected by 9/11. I'm pissed that the GOP is claiming that this was procedural and ignoring the larger issues involved and that this bill has languished for 8+ years since the attacks. We've done the Ground Zero recovery workers wrong.

106 Ericus58  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:28:36am

Kerry says he mishandled furor over yacht taxes

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

"Sen. John Kerry said he always intended to pay taxes in Massachusetts on his $7 million yacht but conceded he mishandled the public furor over his decision to dock the vessel in tax-free Rhode Island.

"I don't think I dealt with it fast enough, effectively enough. There's nobody to blame but myself for that," the Massachusetts Democrat told The Boston Globe for Friday's editions.

Kerry added that he did nothing legally wrong.

Kerry moved to end the controversy this week by saying he would write Massachusetts a check for about $500,000, whether he owed the money or not. He told The Associated Press that he and his wife "have always complied with tax laws." The payment represents $437,500 in one-time sales taxes, plus about $70,000 in annual excise taxes.

The 2004 Democratic presidential nominee had been dogged by charges of tax evasion since the Boston Herald first reported his decision to dock the 76-foot sloop Isabel in Newport, R.I.
..........
The senator told the Globe he and his wife decided in 2006 to buy a new sailboat and signed a contract for the vessel in November 2007, stressing that it was done a time when the economy was better."

Lurching for the truth.....

107 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:29:11am

re: #104 reine.de.tout

I don't think it's a union conspiracy. Maybe he's trying to do the best thing for the country.

108 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:31:03am

re: #104 reine.de.tout

I was going by what the story said (the part I quoted), and no, I don't buy that any jobs were "saved", either.

And in fact, I bought a new car in 2009, and bought a Ford product in part because they took no federal money!

I'm more curious about the administration's concern for the auto jobs; and complete lack of concern for (non-union) Gulf-coast jobs.

Let me back up a bit here.
The only reason I added the "non-union" bit above was to see if there would be a reaction from Killgore. (sorry Killgore).

I don't really believe the admin is doing what they do based on the union status of jobs.

109 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:31:18am

re: #107 Killgore Trout

I don't think it's a union conspiracy. Maybe he's trying to do the best thing for the country.

See:
re: #108 reine.de.tout

Let me back up a bit here.
The only reason I added the "non-union" bit above was to see if there would be a reaction from Killgore. (sorry Killgore).

I don't really believe the admin is doing what they do based on the union status of jobs.

110 ryannon  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:32:19am

re: #101 lawhawk

re: #103 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #104 reine.de.tout

re: #105 lawhawk

It's nice to see some intelligent (and even clever) dialog going on here, and worth logging in to say so.

111 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:34:20am

re: #110 ryannon

re: #103 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #104 reine.de.tout

re: #105 lawhawk

It's nice to see some intelligent (and even clever) dialog going on here, and worth logging in to say so.

Can I be the clever one?
/

112 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:34:20am

re: #107 Killgore Trout

I don't think it's a union conspiracy. Maybe he's trying to do the best thing for the country.

I don't disagree. I think he is trying to do what he thinks is best; I just think he's wrong on some things.

114 ryannon  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:37:38am

*(sounds of whispering in the background)*

- Didn't he flounce?

- I thought Charles got rid of him along with Bagua...

- And just when I thought all the haters had been banned or left...

- Don't talk to him - he's spying for the Stalker Blog!

Yeah, right.

Have a nice day, folks.

115 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:37:57am

re: #113 Killgore Trout

What right wing racism?
Court: Man Rightly Fired for Eating Watermelon at Company Picnic, Calling it "Obama Fruit"

He shoulda called it "Reine fruit".
I love ice-cold watermelon on a hot day.

116 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:38:47am

re: #114 ryannon

*(sounds of whispering in the background)*

- Didn't he flounce?

- I thought Charles got rid of him along with Bagua...

- And just when I thought all the haters had been banned or left...

- Don't talk to him - he's spying for the Stalker Blog!

Yeah, right.

Have a nice day, folks.

What?

117 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:38:52am

re: #113 Killgore Trout

What right wing racism?
Court: Man Rightly Fired for Eating Watermelon at Company Picnic, Calling it "Obama Fruit"

He should be fired. But try to take watermelon from me.
/

118 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:39:23am

The House ethics panel report against Rangel. And his tax evasion goes back to 1998. That's 12 years ago.

This is no mere underreporting, but systemic evasion. If there's anyone who should know the tax law, it's Rangel. He avoided his tax obligations for more than a decade.

119 jaunte  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:39:49am

re: #116 reine.de.tout

Random dramatic interlude.

120 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:40:22am

re: #118 lawhawk

The House ethics panel report against Rangel. And his tax evasion goes back to 1998. That's 12 years ago.

This is no mere underreporting, but systemic evasion. If there's anyone who should know the tax law, it's Rangel. He avoided his tax obligations for more than a decade.

Ways and means. Ways and means.

121 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:40:34am

The state attorney general is investigating two Florida companies over claims they offered free emergency response training for oil spill clean up work but then withheld students' training certificates unless they paid a large fee.

A total of 10 complaints made to the Florida attorney general say Able Body Labor of Clearwater and Southern Cat of Panama City advertised the training as free, but when the lessons were over, the companies asked students to pay hefty fees before giving them their certificates.

In some cases, the people who went through training were unemployed and desperate for work.

SNIP

122 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:42:07am

re: #110 ryannon

I'll be the one going all Jules Winfield on Congress.

Youtube Video
124 ryannon  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:43:42am

re: #116 reine.de.tout

What?

Ok, ok. Let it go. Just silly voices in ma haid.

Nice to be amongst you again, but for the sake of the general peace (and my own sanity) I had to drop out. Just dropping back in to say that I appreciate seeing some of what I used to come around her for: good intelligent dialog. Keep it up - I still follow without logging in.

I do wish you all well!

125 ryannon  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:45:03am

re: #119 jaunte

Random dramatic interlude.

Then let's make it all about you then.

You'll feel better, I promise.

126 ryannon  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:46:07am

Shit. I've got to learn to button it.

Logging out again - proceed as usual, folks.

127 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:49:09am

The OP bought this to mind.

"Worlds governed by Artificial Intelligence often learned a hard lesson: Logic Doesn't Care."
Yin-Man Wei, "This Present Darkness: A History of the Interregnum", CY 11956

128 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:49:48am

Alrighty. Nap time

129 Political Atheist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 7:55:09am

re: #112 reine.de.tout

Good Morning! Loved your page on the moratorium review...

130 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:03:33am

re: #129 Rightwingconspirator

Good Morning! Loved your page on the moratorium review...

Thanks, RWC.
It's very encouraging news, it really is.

131 darthstar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:11:39am

Mornin' kids.

132 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:15:32am

Palestinian terror watch.

Gazan terrorists fired a grad rocket, which slammed into an Ashkelon apartment building - damaging several floors and several cars parked outside. Eight people were injured.

A rocket fired from the northern Gaza Strip town of Beit Hanoun exploded in the heart of a populated area in the southern city of Ashkelon on Friday morning. Eight people suffered shock. Two empty floors of an apartment building, several cars and a nearby pavement sustained damage. Many windows were shattered.

Police dispatched to the rocket's landing site urged the residents to stay in their homes for fear of additional rockets.

"We heard the siren and ran into the fortified room," says Dudi Ben-Shlush, who lives on the fourth floor of the building hit by the rocket. "We heard the loud explosion only after we came out. The entire building trembled, windows were shattered, and the shutters were damaged.

133 laZardo  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:24:15am

After reading the "drop a child" article I am preparing to upgrade my notorious broad brush to a goddamn roller.

My parents lived in America legally from '83 to '93, during which time mom gave birth to me and my two little brothers. The idea that they did it just for the American citizenship is insane enough that I have almost zero shred of respect for conservatism in general.

Rather than unleash further outrage, have some Freemasons instead.

Youtube Video
134 Political Atheist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:24:27am

re: #130 reine.de.tout

D_L got her truck last night. Chevy Colorado, 2005.

135 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:25:36am

re: #134 Rightwingconspirator

D_L got her truck last night. Chevy Colorado, 2005.

She was in the market for a truck and found one?
Great.
General transportation or business need?

136 deranged cat  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:27:50am

Hey LGF guys (lizards?), i wanted to ask... what other blogs/websites do you like? I think you guys are cool with Balloon Juice with John Cole... Any others?

137 Political Atheist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:29:06am

re: #135 reine.de.tout

Our Saturn has 180,000 on it. No so trustworthy outside of local runs. She was promised a truck "next time", and a work thing finally provided the half down payment I wanted to use. This looks just like it except our has a shell on the bed.

138 Political Atheist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:31:19am

re: #135 reine.de.tout

The studio needs a good vehicle to move the stuff for on site shoots.
Oops forgot the link

Oops With the link...

139 Ericus58  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:36:21am

re: #136 deranged cat

Hey LGF guys (lizards?), i wanted to ask... what other blogs/websites do you like? I think you guys are cool with Balloon Juice with John Cole... Any others?

FlightBlogger
[Link: www.flightglobal.com...]

Michael Yon
[Link: www.michaelyon-online.com...]

Irshad Manji
[Link: irshadmanji.com...]

The Tech Report
[Link: techreport.com...]

140 aurelius  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:36:36am

of course the irony is that Graham is considered a RINO in wingnut circles and supports immigration reform.

And if he says things like this....

Just shows how insane the right wing is on this issue.

Immigration is part of the human experience. People move. Populations move. Get used to it.

re: #133 laZardo

After reading the "drop a child" article I am preparing to upgrade my notorious broad brush to a goddamn roller.

My parents lived in America legally from '83 to '93, during which time mom gave birth to me and my two little brothers. The idea that they did it just for the American citizenship is insane enough that I have almost zero shred of respect for conservatism in general.

Rather than unleash further outrage, have some Freemasons instead.

[Video]

141 darthstar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:36:52am

re: #134 Rightwingconspirator

D_L got her truck last night. Chevy Colorado, 2005.

I miss having a truck. My neighbor had a 67 Ford 1/2 ton he wanted 600 dollars for, and I didn't buy it (in part, because we have three cars right now)...but it would have been nice to have.

142 Political Atheist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:37:01am

re: #136 deranged cat

I do not like Juan Cole at all.

143 Political Atheist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:38:07am

re: #141 darthstar

This is my first truck ever. Inline 5 cylinder gas engine. Very odd. 220 HP, and it passes just fine.

144 prairiefire  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:38:12am

re: #136 deranged cat

Huffington Post
Teagan Goddard's Political Wire
Crooks and Liars
The Daily Beast
Frum Forrum
Andrew Sullivan's The Daily Dish
Daily Kos
Firedoglake
Think Progress
The Raw Story
Slate Magazine
TalkingPointsmemo
Ain't It Cool News

145 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:42:46am

re: #136 deranged cat

I like Atrios' blog Eschaton and Jalopnik

146 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:44:24am

re: #138 Rightwingconspirator

The studio needs a good vehicle to move the stuff for on site shoots.
Oops forgot the link

Oops With the link...

Nice!

147 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:49:30am

re: #144 prairiefire

Huffington Post
Teagan Goddard's Political Wire
Crooks and Liars
The Daily Beast
Frum Forrum
Andrew Sullivan's The Daily Dish
Daily Kos
Firedoglake
Think Progress
The Raw Story
Slate Magazine
TalkingPointsmemo
Ain't It Cool News

Every time I think it might be "safe" to visit Daily Kos or Huffpo, they get their crazy Jew hating thing on.

148 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:50:45am

re: #136 deranged cat

Hey LGF guys (lizards?), i wanted to ask... what other blogs/websites do you like? I think you guys are cool with Balloon Juice with John Cole... Any others?

Air Show Buzz
Airliners.net
BBC
Bloggingheads TV
Christopher Hitchens @ Slate
CNN
Frum Forum
Huffington Post
Hulu
Internet Archive
LA Times
Little Green Footballs
NASA
New York Times
Pharyngula
Right Wing Watch
Talking Points Memo

I don't read OP/EDs.

149 aurelius  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:52:00am

I've noticed the same thing... Why do you that is? What is going on with that?

re: #147 Alouette

Every time I think it might be "safe" to visit Daily Kos or Huffpo, they get their crazy Jew hating thing on.

150 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:52:08am

re: #147 Alouette

Every time I think it might be "safe" to visit Daily Kos or Huffpo, they get their crazy Jew hating thing on.

Or the occasional junk science and/or medical quackery at Huffpo.

151 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:54:49am

re: #148 Gus 802

I'll go with Bing News or Google News as aggregators. Throw in Popurls.

Jpost and Ynet in Israel.
Times of India for South Asia stuff.

Michael Totten.
Long War Journal.

Capitol Confidential for NYS politics.

152 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:57:07am

re: #151 lawhawk

I'll go with Bing News or Google News as aggregators. Throw in Popurls.

Jpost and Ynet in Israel.
Times of India for South Asia stuff.

Michael Totten.
Long War Journal.

Capitol Confidential for NYS politics.

Yeah, if something is going on in Israel I usually go to Jpost first then Ynet. Denverpost for Denver/Colorado news. I generally don't keep up with local news.

153 Political Atheist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:57:33am

re: #139 Ericus58

Love Michael Yon!

154 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:58:33am

Daylife is good for press photos.

155 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:59:15am

re: #154 Gus 802

And getty images. Daylife's user interface isn't as good as it used to be.

156 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 8:59:55am

re: #153 Rightwingconspirator

Love Michael Yon!

Isn't he writing for PJM now?

157 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:01:24am

re: #155 lawhawk

And getty images. Daylife's user interface isn't as good as it used to be.

Right. You now have to use the search function to get inside Daylife.

If you ever want to search for Life photos you have to add the modifier source: life. For example

Sophia Loren source: life

This would be under Google/Images.

158 Ericus58  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:02:44am

re: #148 Gus 802

Air Show Buzz
Airliners.net
BBC
Christopher Hitchens @ Slate
Frum Forum
Hulu
Little Green Footballs
NASA

I can go with these.

159 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:03:19am

re: #157 Gus 802

Right. You now have to use the search function to get inside Daylife.

If you ever want to search for Life photos you have to add the modifier source: life. For example

Sophia Loren source: life

This would be under Google/Images.

Make that source:life

No space between the colon and Life.

Ends up looking like this...

[Link: www.google.com...]

160 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:04:17am

re: #156 Walter L. Newton

Isn't he writing for PJM now?

No... it looks like that's Michael Totten who is writing for Pm

161 darthstar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:04:52am

re: #136 deranged cat

Hey LGF guys (lizards?), i wanted to ask... what other blogs/websites do you like? I think you guys are cool with Balloon Juice with John Cole... Any others?

I go to Foxnews for updates on how the president is destroying our country.
I go to FoxNation for updates on whether he's actually a citizen.
I go to FoxBusiness for advice on how much gold I should be buying...but not bullion, those cute little over-priced European gold coins.
///

Seriously, though...I read the Abbreviated Pundit Roundup on the front page of dKos every morning when I wake up, then read some or all of the articles linked there. I peruse the rec list, though I don't bother reading all of the diaries as I used to. Front page diaries by Hunter, Darksyde, Meteor Blades, Plutonium Page, and Miss Laura always get a read, as those are all very good writers.

Then I come here to shoot the shit with the morning crew.

162 laZardo  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:06:27am

Nobody's mentioned Gawker yet?

Though I mainly stick to Kotaku (video games) and Jalopnik (cars)...

163 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:06:41am

re: #161 darthstar

Heh... if I gave away all my secrets on where to get news, how would I get the jump on news stories for my own blog :) ////

164 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:06:58am

re: #162 laZardo

Nobody's mentioned Gawker yet?

Though I mainly stick to Kotaku (video games) and Jalopnik (cars)...

Gawker!

Don't forget TMZ and Perez Hilton. //

165 Ericus58  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:07:11am

re: #161 darthstar

Then I come here to shoot the shit with the morning crew.

Man, you start shootin' the shit, I'll start flingin' the poo!
/

166 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:07:55am

re: #148 Gus 802

Air Show Buzz
Airliners.net
BBC
Bloggingheads TV
Christopher Hitchens @ Slate
CNN
Frum Forum
Huffington Post
Hulu
Internet Archive
LA Times
Little Green Footballs
NASA
New York Times
Pharyngula
Right Wing Watch
Talking Points Memo

I don't read OP/EDs.

Gus, do you comment at Pharyngula?

I don't think I've seen you there.

167 darthstar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:08:10am

re: #163 lawhawk

Heh... if I gave away all my secrets on where to get news, how would I get the jump on news stories for my own blog :) ///

I assumed you were out there pounding the blacktop with you're own two feet...chasing down sources, getting quotes, etc...

168 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:08:43am

re: #166 b_sharp

Gus, do you comment at Pharyngula?

I don't think I've seen you there.

This is the only place I make comments and other general chitchat.

169 deranged cat  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:13:08am

thanks for all the suggestions! i'm checking most of them out right now..
As for me,

Frequently visited:
LGF
Balloon Juice
Wonkette
Talking Points Memo

Politics:
Huffington Post
Daily Kos
Think Progress
Firedoglake
No More Mister Nice Blog
Bob Cesca's Awesome Blog Go!

Other:
Engadget
Geekologie
Cracked

170 laZardo  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:14:30am

re: #164 Gus 802

Gawker!

Don't forget TMZ and Perez Hilton. //

Well, I have to have a fabulously hipster view of the news if I want to fit in with the cool kids. :D

//

171 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:15:46am

Here's my list (Excepting LGF)

Pharyngula
Dispatches from the Culture Wars
The Sensuous Curmudgeon
The Panda's Thumb
Respectful Insolence
WhyEvolutionisTrue
Bad Astronomy
Climate Progress
Deep Climate
Deltoid
DeSmogBlog
Hot Topic
Mind of Dan
Only in it for the Gold
Open Mind
Rabbit Run
Real Climate
Skeptical Science
The Science of Doom
talk.origins (news group)

and a dozen others on an occasional basis.

172 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:17:49am

re: #168 Gus 802

This is the only place I make comments and other general chitchat.

Pretty much the same with me now. I used to be quite active at talk.origins, FreeRepublic and Darwin Central but that all changed when my focus changed from evolution to AGW.

173 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:18:35am

re: #169 deranged cat

thanks for all the suggestions! i'm checking most of them out right now..
As for me,

Frequently visited:
LGF
Balloon Juice
Wonkette
Talking Points Memo

Politics:
Huffington Post
Daily Kos
Think Progress
Firedoglake
No More Mister Nice Blog
Bob Cesca's Awesome Blog Go!

Other:
Engadget
Geekologie
Cracked

All you need is Drudge.

174 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:19:45am

re: #173 Walter L. Newton

All you need is Drudge LGF Pages.

FTFM

175 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:20:28am

re: #172 b_sharp

Pretty much the same with me now. I used to be quite active at talk.origins, FreeRepublic and Darwin Central but that all changed when my focus changed from evolution to AGW.

You were at FreeRepublic? That must have been an experience.

176 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:21:04am

re: #136 deranged cat

Hey LGF guys (lizards?), i wanted to ask... what other blogs/websites do you like? I think you guys are cool with Balloon Juice with John Cole... Any others?

Pharyngula
Dispatches From The Culture Wars
Daily Kos (with a huge grain of salt depending on subject)
[plus a few other Scienceblogs when the whim takes me...]

177 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:21:33am

Bunch of different links on the left column here:

[Link: www.aldaily.com...]

178 William Barnett-Lewis  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:23:26am

For blogs, I still read Dkos (though I skip the usually useless comments) and whatever gets linked from here. Really this is the only political one I pay any real attention to anymore. I'd rather read something interesting that I disagree with than just anther bobble head saying the same thing yet again.

Other than LGF, I hang at a couple of photography, gaming and gun forums.

179 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:29:16am

In addition to many of the sites listed above by others, I also like the Tehran Bureau

180 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:30:02am

re: #174 wrenchwench

FTFM

Absolutely!
Amazing amount of interesting things in the pages.

181 mj  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:31:00am

Here's a surprise:

ADL Comes Out Against Ground Zero Center

Anti-bigotry group sides with people it calls bigots

The Anti-Defamation League has issued a statement opposing the construction of the Islamic community center a couple blocks from Ground Zero in lower Manhattan. (Earlier this week, a community board recommended that the Landmarks Preservation Commission allow the project to go through.) The release goes out of its way to grant Cordoba House’s organizers good intentions and to condemn the bigotry of some who oppose it. So what is the problem? “The controversy which has emerged regarding the building of an Islamic Center at this location,” the ADL argues, “is counterproductive to the healing process.”


It adds:

Proponents of the Islamic Center may have every right to build at this site, and may even have chosen the site to send a positive message about Islam. The bigotry some have expressed in attacking them is unfair, and wrong. But ultimately this is not a question of rights, but a question of what is right. In our judgment, building an Islamic Center in the shadow of the World Trade Center will cause some victims more pain—unnecessarily—and that is not right.

[Link: www.tabletmag.com...]

182 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:32:01am

re: #173 Walter L. Newton

All you need is Drudge.

Shutyourfuckingpiehole.com
(not up and running yet) :)

183 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:32:26am

re: #136 deranged cat

Hey LGF guys (lizards?), i wanted to ask... what other blogs/websites do you like? I think you guys are cool with Balloon Juice with John Cole... Any others?

Israelly Cool (our Aussie Dave).
Elder of Ziyon (our Elder of Ziyon).
Vicious Babushka (our Alouette).
Hudson Institute.
FrumForum.
Investigative Project on Terrorism.
Army Times.
Military.com.
Military Review.
Arutz Sheva.
Charles Krauthammer.
Mona Charen.
Alan Dershowitz.
Barry Rubin.
EU Observer.
Eye on the UN.
UN Watch.
The Hill.
MEMRI.
Muslim Brotherhood Daily Report.
Palestinian Media Watch.
Persian2English News.
Spiegel.
Radio Free Europe.
SassyWire.

184 deranged cat  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:33:31am

re: #173 Walter L. Newton

Like re: #176 oaktree, I take everything under the Politics section (especially dkos and huffpo) with a grain of salt.

To be honest, one major factor in how much i enjoy a blog are the comments section. even though i think TPM is a great site, it's so overrun with trolls i kinda hate it :(

LGF seems to have the troll problem under control, though!

185 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:33:39am

re: #181 mj

Well, that's stupid of them.

It's even stupider of them to talk about the victims of 9/11 as though they included no Muslims.

186 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:34:22am

re: #175 Gus 802

You were at FreeRepublic? That must have been an experience.

I was a FReeper since 9/11, until the Great Meltdown after the 2008 election, when they turned toxic.

187 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:34:35am

re: #183 MandyManners

A Blog For All (mine)... /// *harumph* /////

188 laZardo  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:34:42am

Oh, and DailyNK.

In-depth coverage of the inner machinations of Lil Kim's dictatorship, as well as the memoirs of a high-ranking secretary who defected. This is the same defector that North Korean spies got caught plotting to assassinate some time ago.

189 Kefirah  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:34:46am

in the throes of cognitive dissonance. charles is right - wingnuttery is becoming mainstream.

[Link: www.tabletmag.com...]

the anti-defamation league has come out AGAINST the ground zero center, and their reasoning is that it "doesn't help the healing process." not something legitimate, like the imams who would teach therein preach terror. no, no. "healing process."

blocking it sure helps the healing process, too.

oy.

190 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:34:55am

re: #184 deranged cat

Like re: #176 oaktree, I take everything under the Politics section (especially dkos and huffpo) with a grain of salt.

To be honest, one major factor in how much i enjoy a blog are the comments section. even though i think TPM is a great site, it's so overrun with trolls i kinda hate it :(

LGF seems to have the troll problem under control, though!

Really... you just replied to me :) I'm LGF's concerned troll, nice to meet you.

191 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:35:47am

re: #187 lawhawk

A Blog For All (mine)... /// *harumph* ///

everyone need to click on LH's nic

192 mj  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:35:48am

re: #181 mj

Here's the full statement from the ADL:

Statement On Islamic Community Center Near Ground Zero

New York, NY, July 28, 2010 ... The Anti-Defamation League (ADL) today issued the following statement regarding the proposed Islamic Center near Ground Zero in Manhattan:

We regard freedom of religion as a cornerstone of the American democracy, and that freedom must include the right of all Americans – Christian, Jewish, Muslim, and other faiths – to build community centers and houses of worship.

We categorically reject appeals to bigotry on the basis of religion, and condemn those whose opposition to this proposed Islamic Center is a manifestation of such bigotry.

However, there are understandably strong passions and keen sensitivities surrounding the World Trade Center site. We are ever mindful of the tragedy which befell our nation there, the pain we all still feel – and especially the anguish of the families and friends of those who were killed on September 11, 2001.

The controversy which has emerged regarding the building of an Islamic Center at this location is counterproductive to the healing process. Therefore, under these unique circumstances, we believe the City of New York would be better served if an alternative location could be found.

In recommending that a different location be found for the Islamic Center, we are mindful that some legitimate questions have been raised about who is providing the funding to build it, and what connections, if any, its leaders might have with groups whose ideologies stand in contradiction to our shared values. These questions deserve a response, and we hope those backing the project will be transparent and forthcoming. But regardless of how they respond, the issue at stake is a broader one.

Proponents of the Islamic Center may have every right to build at this site, and may even have chosen the site to send a positive message about Islam. The bigotry some have expressed in attacking them is unfair, and wrong. But ultimately this is not a question of rights, but a question of what is right. In our judgment, building an Islamic Center in the shadow of the World Trade Center will cause some victims more pain – unnecessarily – and that is not right.

[Link: www.adl.org...]

193 cliffster  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:36:50am

re: #184 deranged cat

... LGF seems to have the troll problem under control, though!

that's because almost all the frequent posters are actually Charles's socks. You hadn't heard?

194 Kefirah  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:36:55am

re: #181 mj

you beat me to it. have to love tablet magazine.

195 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:37:13am

re: #192 mj

Here's the full statement from the ADL:

Statement On Islamic Community Center Near Ground Zero

[Link: www.adl.org...]

They're entitled to their opinion.

196 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:37:32am

re: #193 cliffster

that's because almost all the frequent posters are actually Charles's socks. You hadn't heard?

So, you're a sock?

197 cliffster  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:38:11am

re: #181 mj

I disagree with them, but it's nice seeing people forming thoughtful conclusions instead of knee-jerk reactions.

198 laZardo  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:39:19am

re: #196 Cannadian Club Akbar

So, you're a sock?

I'm a Victoria's Secret pantyhose. q;

199 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:39:37am

re: #183 MandyManners

SassyWire.

That's one of "ours" too, no? Or doesn't it count if all he or she does is promote his or her blog.

macondo5

Registered since: Nov 29, 2007 at 10:42 am
No. of comments posted: 1
No. of links posted: 675

I have not seen anything offensive posted, but I seem to have missed the one comment.

200 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:39:49am

re: #197 cliffster

Unfortunately, their conclusion is unrelated to anything else in what they say.

201 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:40:10am

re: #198 laZardo

I'm a Victoria's Secret pantyhose. q;

Ya? I am lacy panties. Oh, noes, a fat chick!!!
//

202 cliffster  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:40:54am

re: #196 Cannadian Club Akbar

So, you're a sock?

A stinky, nasty sock

203 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:41:20am

re: #192 mj

Here's the full statement from the ADL:

Statement On Islamic Community Center Near Ground Zero

[Link: www.adl.org...]

Bigots!

204 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:41:31am

re: #202 cliffster

A stinky, nasty sock

I lost that!!!!

205 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:42:02am

re: #201 Cannadian Club Akbar

Ya? I am lacy panties. Oh, noes, a fat chick!!!
//

Bombachas!

//

206 Charles Johnson  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:42:40am

re: #203 Walter L. Newton

Bigots!

No, just very, very stupid. This is a real disgrace. The ADL should be ashamed of themselves for handing weapons to the Bigot Brigade.

207 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:42:48am

OT:
Suspicious incident at US Embassy in Paris - 2 workers exposed to tear gas in suspicious package.

Two men who work for the U.S. Embassy in Paris underwent medical tests after handling a suspicious letter Friday, the embassy said, and Paris police said it appeared they had been exposed to tear gas fumes.

Both men were cleared and released after being examined at the Paris hospital Hotel Dieu, Embassy spokesman Paul Patin said. The mailroom employees identified a suspicious letter and the embassy alerted French authorities, he told The Associated Press.

The central laboratory of the Paris police identified the irritant as tear gas, according to a police official who was not authorized to speak to the media. However, Patin said he could not immediately confirm that report.

An embassy employee received a manila envelope sent as registered mail that had no mail inside, but it began emitting fumes after the employee opened it, the official said.

208 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:42:53am

re: #106 Ericus58

Kerry says he mishandled furor over yacht taxes

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

"Sen. John Kerry said he always intended to pay taxes in Massachusetts on his $7 million yacht but conceded he mishandled the public furor over his decision to dock the vessel in tax-free Rhode Island.

"I don't think I dealt with it fast enough, effectively enough. There's nobody to blame but myself for that," the Massachusetts Democrat told The Boston Globe for Friday's editions.

Kerry added that he did nothing legally wrong.

Kerry moved to end the controversy this week by saying he would write Massachusetts a check for about $500,000, whether he owed the money or not. He told The Associated Press that he and his wife "have always complied with tax laws." The payment represents $437,500 in one-time sales taxes, plus about $70,000 in annual excise taxes.

The 2004 Democratic presidential nominee had been dogged by charges of tax evasion since the Boston Herald first reported his decision to dock the 76-foot sloop Isabel in Newport, R.I.
...
The senator told the Globe he and his wife decided in 2006 to buy a new sailboat and signed a contract for the vessel in November 2007, stressing that it was done a time when the economy was better."

Lurching for the truth...

It's all because of the mocking sea-chantey I wrote for him.

209 wrenchwench  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:43:41am

re: #192 mj

The controversy which has emerged regarding the building of an Islamic Center at this location is counterproductive to the healing process. Therefore, under these unique circumstances, we believe the City of New York would be better served if an alternative location could be found.

So the mosque community center is not a problem, the controversy is the problem. Yet they add to that.

210 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:44:22am

re: #206 Charles

No, just very, very stupid. This is a real disgrace. The ADL should be ashamed of themselves for handing weapons to the Bigot Brigade.

I'm rather disappointed as well. But, the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution trumps all opinions.

211 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:45:05am

re: #210 Gus 802

I'm rather disappointed as well. But, the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution trumps all opinions.

You suck.
/

212 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:45:27am

How could I forget LawHawk's blog and Thanos' blog?!

213 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:45:50am

re: #212 MandyManners

How could I forget LawHawk's blog and Thanos' blog?!

You suck.
/

214 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:46:10am

re: #187 lawhawk

A Blog For All (mine)... /// *harumph* ///

I remembered that as soon as I got into my garden. Mea culpa.

215 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:46:46am

re: #206 Charles

No, just very, very stupid. This is a real disgrace. The ADL should be ashamed of themselves for handing weapons to the Bigot Brigade.

Maybe I'm missing something, but the ADL talking points in that statement seem very similar to a lot of the concerns that I've heard coming from the "Bigot Brigade." This line "But ultimately this is not a question of rights, but a question of what is right" sounds as close to some of the chatter coming from the Geller/Spencer crowd as you could imagine.

216 Kragar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:46:49am

re: #212 MandyManners

How could I forget LawHawk's blog and Thanos' blog?!

Head trauma? Roofies? Traumatic stress disorder?

217 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:47:12am

re: #199 wrenchwench

I have not seen anything offensive posted, but I seem to have missed the one comment.

I have no idea.

218 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:47:20am

re: #216 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Head trauma? Roofies? Traumatic stress disorder?

Basil Hayden?

219 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:48:27am

re: #218 Cannadian Club Akbar

Basil Hayden?

IT'S FIVE O'CLOCK SOMEWHERE!!!

220 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:48:29am

re: #195 Gus 802

They're entitled to their opinion.

They're entitled to their informed opinion. Anything else is just farts in the wind.

221 mj  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:48:39am

re: #181 mj

Here's a surprise:

ADL Comes Out Against Ground Zero Center

Anti-bigotry group sides with people it calls bigots

[Link: www.tabletmag.com...]

There's an story about Thomas Jefferson. Have no idea if it's true. According to the story, Jefferson was asked to join with some group on some measure that he actually probably agreed with. When asked to give his reason why he didn't join, he replied, "the wrong people are for it".

I think the same principle applies here. The wrong people are for this and the ADL should have known better.

222 laZardo  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:48:57am

re: #220 Cato the Elder

Anything else is just farts in the wind.

Bob Dylan says that's all we are...

/oh wait

223 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:49:08am

re: #219 MandyManners

IT'S FIVE O'CLOCK SOMEWHERE!!!

It's 5 here.:)

224 Kragar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:50:07am

So the health department announces whooping cough is on the rise in San Diego county and urges everyone, especially children to get vaccinated. I tell this to one of my co-workers who has a 4 year old son this, and I get "I don't believe in vaccines."

/facepalm

225 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:51:21am

re: #224 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So the health department announces whooping cough is on the rise in San Diego county and urges everyone, especially children to get vaccinated. I tell this to one of my co-workers who has a 4 year old son this, and I get "I don't believe in vaccines."

/facepalm

Is her or his name Jenny or Jim?

226 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:51:39am

re: #224 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So the health department announces whooping cough is on the rise in San Diego county and urges everyone, especially children to get vaccinated. I tell this to one of my co-workers who has a 4 year old son this, and I get "I don't believe in vaccines."

/facepalm

Is that because s/he also doesn't believe in bacteria?

227 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:51:53am

re: #192 mj

I disagree with the ADL statement.

First, it's better to iron out the issue of community center construction (w/mosque) now, rather than to keep deferring it.

Second, if this particular project is defeated based upon shallow reasons such as the ADL offers up I expect it will simply embolden the shrill protesters to believe that they have "won" and thus can act the same way from there on in order to defeat any similar project elsewhere.

It appeasement.

228 aurelius  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:52:28am

Bingo... you have to be careful who you associate with. And if the wrong people support an idea... well it's probably wrong.

re: #221 mj

There's an story about Thomas Jefferson. Have no idea if it's true. According to the story, Jefferson was asked to join with some group on some measure that he actually probably agreed with. When asked to give his reason why he didn't join, he replied, "the wrong people are for it".

I think the same principle applies here. The wrong people are for this and the ADL should have known better.

229 ShaunP  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:52:36am

re: #224 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So the health department announces whooping cough is on the rise in San Diego county and urges everyone, especially children to get vaccinated. I tell this to one of my co-workers who has a 4 year old son this, and I get "I don't believe in vaccines."

/facepalm

The nativists have tried to blame that on immigrants, despite the fact that Mexico has a significantly higher vaccination rate than the US. Something like 96% vs 70%...

230 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:52:37am

re: #226 Cato the Elder

Is that because s/he also doesn't believe in bacteria?

Bacteria is just a fad. Just like the internet.
/

231 Kragar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:52:39am

re: #226 Cato the Elder

Is that because s/he also doesn't believe in bacteria?

Autism, dontcha know.

232 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:53:41am

re: #230 Cannadian Club Akbar

Bacteria is just a fad. Just like the internet.
/

Pertussis! Teach the controversy.

//

233 Kragar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:53:56am

Anne Rice leaves Christianity

Legendary author Anne Rice has announced that she’s quitting Christianity.

The “Interview with a Vampire” author, who wrote a book about her spirituality titled "Called Out of Darkness: A Spiritual Confession" in 2008, said Wednesday that she refuses to be “anti-gay,” “anti-feminist," “anti-science” and “anti-Democrat.”

Rice wrote, “For those who care, and I understand if you don't: Today I quit being a Christian ... It's simply impossible for me to ‘belong’ to this quarrelsome, hostile, disputatious, and deservedly infamous group. For ten years, I've tried. I've failed. I'm an outsider. My conscience will allow nothing else.”


Rice then added another post explaining her decision on Thursday:

“My faith in Christ is central to my life. My conversion from a pessimistic atheist lost in a world I didn't understand, to an optimistic believer in a universe created and sustained by a loving God is crucial to me," Rice wrote. "But following Christ does not mean following His followers. Christ is infinitely more important than Christianity and always will be, no matter what Christianity is, has been or might become.”

234 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:54:45am

re: #232 Gus 802

Pertussis! Teach the controversy.

//

STOP USING BIG WORDS!!
/

235 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:55:12am

re: #231 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Autism, dontcha know.

Autism makes you not believe in bacteria?

236 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:55:15am

re: #234 Cannadian Club Akbar

STOP USING BIG WORDS!!
/

Elitism!

//Snooki

/

237 laZardo  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:55:31am

re: #233 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The “Interview with a Vampire” author,

After Twilight, I wouldn't blame her for not believing in hope for humanity anymore either.

238 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:56:10am

rumor throughout NM is that Billy the Kid will not be granted amnesty by Bill Richardson...tough call

239 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:56:28am

re: #233 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It's like she's trying to make religion weirder than it already is.

240 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:57:41am

re: #238 albusteve

rumor throughout NM is that Billy the Kid will not be granted amnesty by Bill Richardson...tough call

Will he look at jail time?
/really, need I?

241 Kragar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:57:53am

re: #235 Cato the Elder

Autism makes you not believe in bacteria?

Used to be a pretty cool guy, but he became born again about 3 years ago and has embraced creationism, anti-vac, anti-science with open arms.

242 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 9:59:01am

re: #222 laZardo

Bob Dylan says that's all we are...

/oh wait

Kansas sang "Dust In the Wind". Dylan's was "Idiot Wind", for which the refrain actually could be held to be appropriate for a lot of what we seen spoken on the media these days...

Someone's got it in for me, they're planting stories in the press
Whoever it is I wish they'd cut it out but when they will I can only guess.
They say I shot a man named Gray and took his wife to Italy,
She inherited a million bucks and when she died it came to me.
I can't help it if I'm lucky.

People see me all the time and they just can't remember how to act
Their minds are filled with big ideas, images and distorted facts.
Even you, yesterday you had to ask me where it was at,
I couldn't believe after all these years, you didn't know me better than that
Sweet lady.

Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your mouth,
Blowing down the backroads headin' south.
Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth,
You're an idiot, babe.
It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe.

I ran into the fortune-teller, who said beware of lightning that might strike
I haven't known peace and quiet for so long I can't remember what it's like.
There's a lone soldier on the cross, smoke pourin' out of a boxcar door,
You didn't know it, you didn't think it could be done, in the final end he won the wars
After losin' every battle.

I woke up on the roadside, daydreamin' 'bout the way things sometimes are
Visions of your chestnut mare shoot through my head and are makin' me see stars.
You hurt the ones that I love best and cover up the truth with lies.
One day you'll be in the ditch, flies buzzin' around your eyes,
Blood on your saddle.

Idiot wind, blowing through the flowers on your tomb,
Blowing through the curtains in your room.
Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth,
You're an idiot, babe.
It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe.

It was gravity which pulled us down and destiny which broke us apart
You tamed the lion in my cage but it just wasn't enough to change my heart.
Now everything's a little upside down, as a matter of fact the wheels have stopped,
What's good is bad, what's bad is good, you'll find out when you reach the top
You're on the bottom.

I noticed at the ceremony, your corrupt ways had finally made you blind
I can't remember your face anymore, your mouth has changed, your eyes
don't look into mine.
The priest wore black on the seventh day and sat stone-faced while the building
burned.
I waited for you on the running boards, near the cypress trees, while the springtime
turned Slowly into autumn.

Idiot wind, blowing like a circle around my skull,
From the Grand Coulee Dam to the Capitol.
Idiot wind, blowing every time you move your teeth,
You're an idiot, babe.
It's a wonder that you still know how to breathe.

I can't feel you anymore, I can't even touch the books you've read
Every time I crawl past your door, I been wishin' I was somebody else instead.
Down the highway, down the tracks, down the road to ecstasy,
I followed you beneath the stars, hounded by your memory
And all your ragin' glory.

I been double-crossed now for the very last time and now I'm finally free,
I kissed goodbye the howling beast on the borderline which separated you from me.
You'll never know the hurt I suffered nor the pain I rise above,
And I'll never know the same about you, your holiness or your kind of love,
And it makes me feel so sorry.

Idiot wind, blowing through the buttons of our coats,
Blowing through the letters that we wrote.
Idiot wind, blowing through the dust upon our shelves,
We're idiots, babe.
It's a wonder we can even feed ourselves.

243 Political Atheist  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:00:50am

re: #156 Walter L. Newton

You know me enough to know I could care less about that. I'll judge his work on its own merit over the venue. I'll celebrate when he gets a better venue of course.

244 Kragar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:00:51am

re: #239 Obdicut

It's like she's trying to make religion weirder than it already is.

Sometimes a simple "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD" is all you need and leave it at that.

245 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:02:35am

I am thoroughly pissed off right now about Chelsea Clinton's wedding.

246 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:02:46am

re: #244 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sometimes a simple "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD" is all you need and leave it at that.

Aztecs been there, done that...
didn't work out

247 Kragar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:03:38am

re: #246 albusteve

Aztecs been there, done that...
didn't work out

Obviously they did not provide enough.

248 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:03:48am

re: #243 Rightwingconspirator

You know me enough to know I could care less about that. I'll judge his work on its own merit over the venue. I'll celebrate when he gets a better venue of course.

I replied to my own message above. I was mistaken, it was Totten, not Yon, and I corrected myself up thread.

249 Kragar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:05:40am

re: #245 MandyManners

I am thoroughly pissed off right now about Chelsea Clinton's wedding.

Me and the wife got married at the Onslow county courthouse with our witnesses the guy behind us in line to pay for a ticket and the sheriff who had just finished feeding the prisoners. We went to Golden Corral afterwards.

250 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:05:51am

re: #245 MandyManners

I am thoroughly pissed off right now about Chelsea Clinton's wedding.

Let them eat cake.

251 laZardo  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:05:54am

re: #244 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Sometimes a simple "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD" is all you need and leave it at that.

O r'lyeh?

252 cliffster  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:06:43am

re: #245 MandyManners

I am thoroughly pissed off right now about Chelsea Clinton's wedding.

The nerve of them.. being all rich and shit.

253 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:07:14am

re: #247 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Obviously they did not provide enough.

to bad they couldn't get Cortez and Alvarado to donate

254 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:07:35am

re: #249 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Me and the wife got married at the Onslow county courthouse with our witnesses the guy behind us in line to pay for a ticket and the sheriff who had just finished feeding the prisoners. We went to Golden Corral afterwards.

You are on top of my newly made FavoritrePersonTM list.

255 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:08:51am

FavoritepersonTM.
Better.

256 Kragar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:09:09am

re: #251 laZardo

O r'lyeh?

YA RLY!

OH, new daemon prince model coming soon!

Image: daemon-prince-plastic-002.jpg

257 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:09:20am

re: #249 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Me and the wife got married at the Onslow county courthouse with our witnesses the guy behind us in line to pay for a ticket and the sheriff who had just finished feeding the prisoners. We went to Golden Corral afterwards.

on my wedding night, my wife and I parked our Westy in a truckstop/carp pond/baitshop north of Louisville...we had a ball

258 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:10:06am

re: #257 albusteve

on my wedding night, my wife and I parked our Westy in a truckstop/carp pond/baitshop north of Louisville...we had a ball

Which wifey?

259 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:10:43am

re: #258 Cannadian Club Akbar

Which wifey?

#3...the only one that counted

260 Kragar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:11:45am

Man, now I'm torn. Do I invest in more IG stormtroopers or do I bust out my Chaos troops again? DAMN YOU GAMESWORKSHOP.

261 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:11:47am

re: #249 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Me and the wife got married at the Onslow county courthouse with our witnesses the guy behind us in line to pay for a ticket and the sheriff who had just finished feeding the prisoners. We went to Golden Corral afterwards.

And, that was your right.

262 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:12:29am

re: #250 Cannadian Club Akbar

Let them eat cake.

Should be plenty for $11,000.00.

263 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:12:57am

re: #260 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Man, now I'm torn. Do I invest in more IG stormtroopers or do I bust out my Chaos troops again? DAMN YOU GAMESWORKSHOP.

CHAOS!!!!
(I have no idea what you're talkin' 'bout Willis)

264 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:13:01am

re: #252 cliffster

The nerve of them.. being all rich and shit.

How dare she want the BWW that she can afford!

265 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:13:27am

Hmmm. The Dow isn't taking a nose dive as I expected from this morning's GDP news. Only down about 22 points at this moment.

266 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:13:31am

re: #257 albusteve

on my wedding night, my wife and I parked our Westy in a truckstop/carp pond/baitshop north of Louisville...we had a ball

mustnottouchthatlastword

267 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:13:51am

BWW = Big White Wedding.

268 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:14:02am

Once again, Rush has an appropriate song for the situation with the Islamic Center near Ground Zero.

(Witch Hunt)

Youtube Video

Oh, and speaking of shadows of Ground Zero - anyone living within 30-40 miles would be considered living within the shadow since it was visible throughout the entire region. /feeling the bile rise

269 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:14:12am

re: #262 MandyManners

Should be plenty for $11,000.00.

[Link: today.msnbc.msn.com...]
Heh.

270 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:15:25am

re: #245 MandyManners

It's not my wedding.. and it most certainly isn't my money.

271 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:15:36am

re: #269 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: today.msnbc.msn.com...]
Heh.

the divorce should be a good one

272 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:15:53am

BTW, I can make a wedding cake for about a grand.
/Greedy Capitalist here

273 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:16:29am

re: #269 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: today.msnbc.msn.com...]
Heh.

I'm very happy I'm not intolerant to glutten.

274 Obdicut  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:16:42am

re: #272 Cannadian Club Akbar

My mother-in-law made the cake for our wedding. And she and my wife decorated it.

Came out great.

275 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:16:42am

It is all in the piping.

276 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:16:44am

re: #265 Gus 802

Hmmm. The Dow isn't taking a nose dive as I expected from this morning's GDP news. Only down about 22 points at this moment.

Yeah, I'm surprised too. I suspect it might have something to do with this...
GDP slows in second quarter to 2.4% rate

Check out page 2 under the heading "details". Although growth has slowed it seems like there was a decent amount of good news in the report.

277 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:16:56am

re: #272 Cannadian Club Akbar

Duff, is that you? Or maybe Buddy though I don't detect that Hoboken Italian accent.... /

278 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:17:17am

re: #270 lawhawk

It's not my wedding.. and it most certainly isn't my money.

Does Falcone really think that the recession would be better served if that money had not been spent?!

279 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:17:51am

re: #277 lawhawk

Duff, is that you? Or maybe Buddy though I don't detect that Hoboken Italian accent... /

I love Buddy!

280 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:18:16am

re: #276 Killgore Trout

They upgraded the 1Q figures slightly, but the 2Q numbers are troublesome since it's showing that the economy isn't producing jobs sufficient to bring down unemployment anytime soon.

The concern is that the economy isn't picking up steam and that the real estate sector isn't picking up the slack.

281 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:18:21am

Gee... last weekt France declares war on Al-Queda, and now this...

PARIS, July 30 (Reuters) - President Nicolas Sarkozy said on Friday he wanted to strip French nationality from anyone of foreign origin who threatened the life of a police officer, in a crackdown after riots shook two French towns this month.

[Link: alertnet.org...]

Boy, if you missed visiting France when they were at war in WWII, here's your big change... certainly could make my 10 day there in Jan. 2010 a lot more exciting.

282 reine.de.tout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:19:32am

re: #224 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So the health department announces whooping cough is on the rise in San Diego county and urges everyone, especially children to get vaccinated. I tell this to one of my co-workers who has a 4 year old son this, and I get "I don't believe in vaccines."

/facepalm

i'm seeing all sorts of ads recently for the "adult pertussis vaccine", to protect children from the people who most often pass on the whooping cough - parents.

It's not a bad idea, but is it supposed to replace having the kids vaccinated?

Now, I think it just makes more sense to go ahead and have the kids vaccinated just in case at some point they come into contact with someone other than their parents.

283 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:19:33am

Alright, need to run to the bank then buy stuff for a 3 dollar cake. BBIAB.

284 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:19:47am

re: #279 MandyManners

I've bought stuff from his bakery on Washington St. in Hoboken, and some of it was quite good (canoli and napoleons) - some of it was disappointing (rainbow cookies). But everyone seems to buy from there and it's always packed.

285 Kronocide  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:20:21am

re: #245 MandyManners

I am thoroughly pissed off right now about Chelsea Clinton's wedding.

I don't. My living is made off of the same excesses. Imagine the amount of man hours being spent on that affair.

286 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:23:04am

re: #281 Walter L. Newton

Gee... last weekt France declares war on Al-Queda, and now this...

PARIS, July 30 (Reuters) - President Nicolas Sarkozy said on Friday he wanted to strip French nationality from anyone of foreign origin who threatened the life of a police officer, in a crackdown after riots shook two French towns this month.

[Link: alertnet.org...]

Boy, if you missed visiting France when they were at war in WWII, here's your big change... certainly could make my 10 day there in Jan. 2010 a lot more exciting.

Did you get a package deal through Doctor Who Travel Tours?

//

287 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:23:16am

re: #280 lawhawk

They upgraded the 1Q figures slightly, but the 2Q numbers are troublesome since it's showing that the economy isn't producing jobs sufficient to bring down unemployment anytime soon.

The concern is that the economy isn't picking up steam and that the real estate sector isn't picking up the slack.

and the Bush tax cuts are due to expire....we'll see how bad the admin fumbles that one...we know Geithner is a genius

[Link: www.cnbc.com...]

288 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:23:54am

re: #175 Gus 802

You were at FreeRepublic? That must have been an experience.

You have no idea.

I left during the great science purge of 2006 - 2007. They booted out the majority of scientists.

289 laZardo  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:24:02am

Headin to bed. Nighty.

290 Kragar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:24:02am

I've decided to ignore the call of Chaos for now and invest in more Stormtroopers for the time being.

Image: m1251724_99110105165_IGKasrkinSqdmain_873x627.jpg

291 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:24:44am

re: #284 lawhawk

I've bought stuff from his bakery on Washington St. in Hoboken, and some of it was quite good (canoli and napoleons) - some of it was disappointing (rainbow cookies). But everyone seems to buy from there and it's always packed.

Has publicity from the show increased patronage?

292 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:24:50am

re: #288 b_sharp

You have no idea.

I left during the great science purge of 2006 - 2007. They booted out the majority of scientists.

Didn't they have another purge early this year? "Evolutionists" and atheists?

293 Killgore Trout  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:24:56am

re: #287 albusteve

and the Bush tax cuts are due to expire...we'll see how bad the admin fumbles that one...we know Geithner is a genius

[Link: www.cnbc.com...]

It'll be interesting to see how that plays out.

294 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:25:07am

re: #285 BigPapa

I don't. My living is made off of the same excesses. Imagine the amount of man hours being spent on that affair.

I parked cars for a wealthy wedding one time....made a load of money, and had a blast doing it

295 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:25:39am

re: #285 BigPapa

I don't. My living is made off of the same excesses. Imagine the amount of man hours being spent on that affair.

BINGO!!!

(Did you read the link. I agree with you.)

296 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:26:41am

re: #291 MandyManners

Probably. I know I went there to see what the hype was about and whether the cakes and pastries were worth the trip.

297 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:26:57am

re: #294 albusteve

I parked cars for a wealthy wedding one time...made a load of money, and had a blast doing it

*This* is how you "spread the wealth". Not by taxing the shit out of everything that moves.

298 MandyManners  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:27:30am

re: #296 lawhawk

Probably. I know I went there to see what the hype was about and whether the cakes and pastries were worth the trip.

If I'm ever in the neighborhood, I'm gonna' gain five pounds.

299 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:29:48am

where do I apply for this gig?

"Load up a little bit and taste it," he said as he tested a joint he bought at a local dispensary. "Try and taste the smoke as it comes out. It has a really woody finish, almost like a mesquite finish to it. After a few hits, try to see what kind of buzz it is."

[Link: www.wbaltv.com...]

300 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:29:50am

re: #224 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So the health department announces whooping cough is on the rise in San Diego county and urges everyone, especially children to get vaccinated. I tell this to one of my co-workers who has a 4 year old son this, and I get "I don't believe in vaccines."

/facepalm

Was that face hers?

Say goodbye to herd immunity.

301 lawhawk  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:30:26am

re: #294 albusteve

I think I know you.

You're that guy at the garage. /

302 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:31:50am

re: #224 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So the health department announces whooping cough is on the rise in San Diego county and urges everyone, especially children to get vaccinated. I tell this to one of my co-workers who has a 4 year old son this, and I get "I don't believe in vaccines."

/facepalm

*twitch*

this shit's as bad as those Christian Science wackos who don't take their kids to the doctor

303 Kragar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:32:48am

I've got to stop window shopping, but an assault ram ship just sounds so cool.

Image: caestus3.jpg

304 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:33:02am

re: #256 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

YA RLY!

OH, new daemon prince model coming soon!

Image: daemon-prince-plastic-002.jpg

The infamous 'Not Found'?

305 albusteve  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:34:11am

re: #301 lawhawk

I think I know you.

You're that guy at the garage. /

heh...terrific movie
a classic

306 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:34:22am

re: #300 b_sharp

Was that face hers?

Say goodbye to herd immunity.

I believe not giving your kids vaccines heads towards the realm of child abuse, but I'm just wacky that way

307 Kragar  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:34:40am

re: #304 b_sharp

The infamous 'Not Found'?

BAH

[Link: www.forgeworld.co.uk...]

308 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:34:43am

re: #286 Gus 802

Did you get a package deal through Doctor Who Travel Tours?

//

Heh :) Correction Jan 2011.

But otherwise, I'm sort of half serious. Sarkozy is making a lot of tough moves lately, if you follow French politics a bit like I do, it's evidently his attempt to gain back some of the support he had going into 2007, and has lost a bit. But, I've been in Paris when the gendarmerie was patrolling Metro stations and various public places because of terrorist activity, and lately, their presence has dropped off a bit.

These kind of recent maneuvers by Sarkozy could certainly open up the country to new activity. Should be interesting.

309 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:36:03am

re: #292 Gus 802

Didn't they have another purge early this year? "Evolutionists" and atheists?

If so that will be the third. The previous purges were of evolutionists, most were scientists.

310 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:36:56am

re: #308 Walter L. Newton

Heh :) Correction Jan 2011.

But otherwise, I'm sort of half serious. Sarkozy is making a lot of tough moves lately, if you follow French politics a bit like I do, it's evidently his attempt to gain back some of the support he had going into 2007, and has lost a bit. But, I've been in Paris when the gendarmerie was patrolling Metro stations and various public places because of terrorist activity, and lately, their presence has dropped off a bit.

These kind of recent maneuvers by Sarkozy could certainly open up the country to new activity. Should be interesting.

Sarkozy has been a very good thing for France. I liked him the first time I saw him in a 1 hour interview with Charlie Rose.

311 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:37:26am

In honor of John Kerry doing the right thing and coughing up the Massachusetts taxes on his zillion-dollar sailboat, I've written a new, concluding verse to my original scornful sea-chantey about him.

Oh, John Kerry paid his bill, paid his bill.
Yes, John Kerry paid his bill. A bitter pill!
Sure, John Kerry paid his bill
so the mockers would be still.
But we still get to mock our fill. And we will!

312 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:38:11am

re: #310 Gus 802

Sarkozy has been a very good thing for France. I liked him the first time I saw him in a 1 hour interview with Charlie Rose.

Oh... I agree...

313 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:38:25am

re: #306 WindUpBird

I believe not giving your kids vaccines heads towards the realm of child abuse, but I'm just wacky that way

It isn't just child abuse of your own kids but of everyones kids. Individual immunity is important but herd immunity is of primary importance.

314 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:39:10am

re: #311 Cato the Elder

In honor of John Kerry doing the right thing and coughing up the Massachusetts taxes on his zillion-dollar sailboat, I've written a new, concluding verse to my original scornful sea-chantey about him.

Oh, John Kerry paid his bill, paid his bill.
Yes, John Kerry paid his bill. A bitter pill!
Sure, John Kerry paid his bill
so the mockers would be still.
But we still get to mock our fill. And we will!

Did you see that yacht? Methinks he paid too much for that thing. 7 million dollars for this:

Image: 95-APTOPIX_Kerry_Yacht.sff.standalone.prod_affiliate.81.jpg

315 b_sharp  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:40:16am

re: #307 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

BAH

[Link: www.forgeworld.co.uk...]

Cool.

I should get one for the grandkid.

316 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:40:56am

re: #314 Gus 802

Did you see that yacht? Methinks he paid too much for that thing. 7 million dollars for this:

Image: 95-APTOPIX_Kerry_Yacht.sff.standalone.prod_affilia te.81.jpg

That sweet bucket, my friend, is 72 feet long.

I know people who paid more than that for a stinking 31-foot condo.

317 Kronocide  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:42:45am

re: #295 MandyManners

BINGO!!!

(Did you read the link. I agree with you.)

I read it. Not surprised they spent that much, but I think weddings are a waste of money. I told my wife I'd rather spend more on the ring and a honeymoon than an 8 hour party for people we see every 5 years and their drunkard cousins.....

but we had one anyway LOL.

I work for the wealthy to filthy stinking wealthy. If they didn't hire me to 'waste' their money I'd have to get a real job!

318 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:44:59am

re: #316 Cato the Elder

That sweet bucket, my friend, is 72 feet long.

I know people who paid more than that for a stinking 31-foot condo.

I'm probably still stuck on yacht prices from the late 80s.

319 Gus  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 10:55:20am

re: #316 Cato the Elder

That sweet bucket, my friend, is 72 feet long.

I know people who paid more than that for a stinking 31-foot condo.

Here it is.

[Link: www.fontainedesigngroup.com...]

Look for the Friendship 75. Near the bottom of the page.

Friendship 75 is Launched!

December 24, Whangarei, New Zealand: The Friendship 75, ISABEL has been launched! With much excitement, the Friendship 75 made her sailing debut in the waters of Whangarei just before Christmas.

We are delighted by the craftsmanship and exquisite detail of the finished product. It is anticipated that the boat will arrive in the US towards the end of March.

320 Cato the Elder  Fri, Jul 30, 2010 11:01:27am

re: #319 Gus 802

Woot!

You know, John Kerry could totally redeem himself in my eyes if he would only agree to do a documentary: "Isabel: Around the World in Eighty Days (or However Long It Takes Me, Misera Plebs"), in which he reveals the hardships encountered by a man of modest means trying to circumnavigate the globe.

I volunteer to be an unpaid deckhand and poet nautical for the duration of the voyage.

321 Sacred Plants  Sat, Jul 31, 2010 2:29:51am

/This is the mind of a soldier on duty.


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