The next Democratic politician in trouble for alleged ethics violations is Rep. Maxine Waters, who reportedly intervened on behalf of a bank in which her husband owned stock.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:13:11pm |
MOST ETHICAL CONGRESS EVER*
*certain rules and restrictions may apply
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brookly red Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:13:27pm |
and the insinuation of racism has already been made...
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:13:57pm |
re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Hey, who is it who's charging these guys with ethics violations, by the way?
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:15:08pm |
re: #2 brookly red
and the insinuation of racism has already been made...
Yeah, I saw drudge running that this morning.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:15:50pm |
re: #2 brookly red
and the insinuation of racism has already been made...
[Link: www.politico.com...]
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:16:50pm |
Heh.
[Link: www.c-spanarchives.org...]
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Kragar Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:16:55pm |
re: #3 Obdicut
Hey, who is it who's charging these guys with ethics violations, by the way?
I'd assume the same independent ethics commission thats been used for years and then forwards their finding to Congress.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:17:19pm |
re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
MOST ETHICAL CONGRESS EVER*
*certain rules and restrictions may apply
Have you ever done an in-depth study of past Congresses?
I'm just sayin': the boast may still turn out to be true.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:18:46pm |
re: #3 Obdicut
Hey, who is it who's charging these guys with ethics violations, by the way?
The invisible hand of the free market.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:19:13pm |
re: #9 Cato the Elder
Have you ever done an in-depth study of past Congresses?
I'm just sayin': the boast may still turn out to be true.
LOL, sad but true, you've got me there.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:19:47pm |
re: #8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I'd assume the same independent ethics commission thats been used for years and then forwards their finding to Congress.
No, they're not charging them. They're reporting the violations. Congress is charging them.
Which is a good thing.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:19:49pm |
a slice of the average brightness of our leadership...dim wits
did she even consider the outcome?
elitist or stupid or both
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brookly red Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:21:54pm |
re: #13 albusteve
a slice of the average brightness of our leadership...dim wits
did she even consider the outcome?
elitist or stupid or both
well I think it goes across party lines, they assumed the outcome was wink, nod... why should they not.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:22:20pm |
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Sol Berdinowitz Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:22:28pm |
These sort of ethics violtions further prove that we have to take back our country by force of arms before they strip us of our rights.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:24:24pm |
The Politico article questions...
"The question of whether black lawmakers are now being singled out for scrutiny has been simmering throughout the 111th Congress, with the Office of Congressional Ethics a focal point of the concerns. At one point earlier this year, all eight lawmakers under formal investigation by the House ethics committee, including Rangel and Waters, were black Democrats. All those investigations originated with the OCE, which can make recommendations — but takes no final actions — on such cases."
[Link: www.politico.com...]
Makes you wonder?
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:25:03pm |
re: #16 ralphieboy
These sort of ethics violtions further prove that we have to take back our country by force of arms before they strip us of our rights.
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they further prove that congress is full of mobsters, whores, and thieves....and you pay them for it
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:25:08pm |
When the unemployment rate is flirting with passing the congressional approval rating you know you live in interesting times.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:25:16pm |
re: #2 brookly red
and the insinuation of racism has already been made...
[Link: articles.latimes.com...]
Yep. From the link:
Between them, Rangel, 80, and Waters, 71, have served in the House for six decades and are leading members of the Congressional Black Caucus. The caucus has long complained that the House ethics process disproportionally targets African Americans in the chamber.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:26:11pm |
re: #19 DaddyG
When the unemployment rate is flirting with passing the congressional approval rating you know you live in interesting times.
heh...good observation
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The Curmudgeon Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:26:47pm |
Before it pops up, there's a lot of misinformation about Waters on the web. It was Sheila Jackson Lee who once asked if the Mars Pathfinder had taken an image of the flag planted by Neil Armstrong.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:26:53pm |
Lawmakers seek to gut ethics office
Privately, Democratic and Republican lawmakers, and even some congressional leaders, acknowledge that there’s a strong sentiment to change rules that empower the office to publicize investigations and wreak havoc on lawmakers’ political lives.
“We might have to take a fresh look, at some point, at the authority of the OCE,” said North Carolina Democratic Rep. G.K. Butterfield, who is a member of both the CBC and the ethics committee.
Of course, nobody wants to be portrayed as loosening ethics in an election year, and Butterfield was quick to point out that change could come as members “promulgate rules for the 112th Congress” in January 2011.
That won’t stop lawmakers from venting.
The OCE is “out of control,” one House Republican told POLITICO. A Democrat close to Pelosi said the OCE was “way out of bounds” when it sent information to the Justice Department on an investigation into lawmakers’ ties to the defunct PMA lobbying group.
“They’re not supposed to be an independent prosecutor,” said one Republican lawmaker. “I think there’s a lot of regrets with having those people [OCE] there.”An OCE spokesman declined to speak on the record for this story.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:27:00pm |
I suppose the best way to not have ethics charges brought against you is to have, well, ethics.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:27:23pm |
re: #20 Cannadian Club Akbar
[Link: articles.latimes.com...]
Yep. From the link:
Between them, Rangel, 80, and Waters, 71, have served in the House for six decades and are leading members of the Congressional Black Caucus. The caucus has long complained that the House ethics process disproportionally targets African Americans in the chamber.
well of course...they've all attended the Jesse Jackson School of Victimhood
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RadicalModerate Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:27:56pm |
So, Politico and Drudge are putting a racial spin on this? Waters certainly hasn't, at least from every report on this I've read - her comments have been pretty specific in the nature of her maintaining her innocence.
This case appears to be more of a conflict-of-interest issue, versus her personally gaining financially by her influence.
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brookly red Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:28:20pm |
re: #19 DaddyG
When the unemployment rate is flirting with passing the congressional approval rating you know you live in interesting times.
skippy... yet there are those that say all is good, all is good, hey look TP people are Baaaad.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:28:34pm |
re: #17 Walter L. Newton
Makes you wonder?
IOt doesn't make me wonder at all. It just wingnuts trying to stoke racial tensions. It's only the wingnuts repeating the story based on unnamed sources. I don't see any lefties covering that angle.
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:29:11pm |
re: #25 albusteve
well of course...they've all attended the Jesse Jackson School of Victimhood
In fairness the Politico article has accusations and insinuations from the article writer. I scanned it quickly and didn't see any quotes where Rangle or Waters were the ones complaining.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:29:14pm |
re: #27 brookly red
skippy... yet there are those that say all is good, all is good, hey look TP people are Baaad.
Sure. There must be people like that.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:29:29pm |
OT Some time back, Obdicut asked for evidence on the question of offender, arrest, and conviction rates.
Historically, crime statistics have played a central role in the discussion of the relationship between race and crime in the United States.[10] As they have been designed to record information not only on the kinds of crimes committed, but also on the individuals involved in crime, criminologists and sociologists have and continue to use crime rate statistics to make general statements regarding the racial demographics of crime-related phenomena such as victimization, arrests, prosecutions, convictions, and incarceration. As such, statements regarding the relative representation of racial groups in official crime rate statistics are not controversial. Regardless of their views regarding causation, scholars acknowledge that some racial and ethnic minorities are disproportionately represented in the arrest and victimization reports which are used to compile crime rate statistics.[11] There is, however, a great deal of debate regarding the causes of that disproportionality.
Wikipedia. Emphasis mine. source...
As to victimless crimes, I make no claims. Without victim reports, there can be no solid ground for judging whether arrest and conviction rates truly reflect offense rates.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:29:35pm |
re: #26 RadicalModerate
So, Politico and Drudge are putting a racial spin on this? Waters certainly hasn't, at least from every report on this I've read - her comments have been pretty specific in the nature of her maintaining her innocence.
This case appears to be more of a conflict-of-interest issue, versus her personally gaining financially by her influence.
Yep...but that won't stop the media from playing this up to be the next Watergate.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:29:57pm |
re: #15 SanFranciscoZionist
Damn. That guy is everywhere.
He's amazing, there's nothing good he's not responsible for, and nothing bad that he possibly could be. Such is the power of the invisible hand, all praises!
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:30:11pm |
Current top ad on LGF: "Urgent! Keep the Bush tax cuts!"
Click now. Your local plutocrats are counting on you.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:30:54pm |
re: #29 DaddyG
In fairness the Politico article has accusations and insinuations from the article writer. I scanned it quickly and didn't see any quotes where Rangle or Waters were the ones complaining.
No on said Rangel or Waters was complaining... it's the words of the caucus itself "The caucus has long complained that the House ethics process disproportionally targets African Americans in the chamber."
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:31:46pm |
So, Obama's already called on Rangel to fall on his sword, will his call to Waters to do the same be far behind?
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brookly red Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:32:18pm |
I think all congress people should be investigated just as a matter of general principal...
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:32:48pm |
re: #29 DaddyG
In fairness the Politico article has accusations and insinuations from the article writer. I scanned it quickly and didn't see any quotes where Rangle or Waters were the ones complaining.
their minions will complain for them...partisanship, and soon, racism, are built in elements for any difference of opinion these dark days
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:33:18pm |
re: #37 brookly red
I think all congress people should be investigated just as a matter of general principal...
[Link: www.ontheissues.org...]
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brookly red Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:33:40pm |
re: #36 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
So, Obama's already called on Rangel to fall on his sword, will his call to Waters to do the same be far behind?
Rangel is old school... he knows where the bodies are, look for this too get ugly.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:33:50pm |
re: #37 brookly red
I think all congress people should be investigated just as a matter of general principal...
I do too...break out the lie detectors...plural, several will no doubt burn out from needle overload
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:34:03pm |
re: #28 Killgore Trout
IOt doesn't make me wonder at all. It just wingnuts trying to stoke racial tensions. It's only the wingnuts repeating the story based on unnamed sources. I don't see any lefties covering that angle.
These articles are by wingnuts? Honest question? The caucus is made up of wingnuts? "The caucus has long complained that the House ethics process disproportionally targets African Americans in the chamber."
I'm now confused.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:34:26pm |
re: #37 brookly red
I think all congress people should be investigated just as a matter of general principal...
And bloggers. And taxi drivers. And "citizens".
Put down the bong.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:34:45pm |
re: #36 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
So, Obama's already called on Rangel to fall on his sword, will his call to Waters to do the same be far behind?
I thought that was wrong of BO to spout that...he needs to learn to keep his yap shut
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:35:39pm |
I was actually pleased to see that Rangel and Waters seemed to be taking these charges head on with their big boy and big girl pants on. There is far too much falling back on the racism charge these days but I won't criticize them for using it if they haven't done so.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:35:54pm |
The problem I have with the Politico article is that I can't see how realistic it is. "At one point" the only eight cases were African-American Democrats. Well, Ok, but for how long did this point last, a day, a week, a month and a half?And what do the numbers crunch like?
There are 39 black members of congress. Since Watts is gone, they are all Democrats. Are they getting more grief proportionately than the average member of Congress? Are they getting more grief than the average Democrat? I can't figure out if there's a real problem or just a perception from that article.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:36:07pm |
re: #32 darthstar
Yep...but that won't stop the media from playing this up to be the next Watergate.
only out of fatigue and boredom...there is no comparison
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:36:15pm |
re: #22 The Curmudgeon
Before it pops up, there's a lot of misinformation about Waters on the web. It was Sheila Jackson Lee who once asked if the Mars Pathfinder had taken an image of the flag planted by Neil Armstrong.
Okay but that was her inciting the Rodney king rioters which resulted in a billion in property damage, 53 deaths and many injuries.
Her advice to the country at the time-"No Justice No Peace". Every second she has held office since is utterly undeserved and an injustice in itself. I am saddened that this does not look like enough to get rid of her.
Oh and we do have this
During the Los Angeles riots in the wake of the infamous 1992 Rodney King trial, Waters described the violence (in which 58 people were killed) as "a spontaneous reaction to a lot of injustice." She held "economic, social, cultural and political" factors responsible for the disorder.[1] She dismissed the mass black looting of Korean-owned stores by saying: "There were mothers who took this as an opportunity to take some milk, to take some bread, to take some shoes…. They are not crooks." Chanting the radical slogan "No justice, no peace," she attributed the rioters' underlying rage to the federal government's allegedly longstanding "neglect" of America's inner cities.[2]
Waters further asserted that racial injustice was rampant in America. She claimed that the L.A. tumult could rightly be called a "rebellion" or "insurrection," but not a riot. "Riot implies to me wild, crazed, uncalled-for actions," she explained, "and I'm not so sure that's quite appropriate for what took place in Los Angeles."[3] It was "unfortunate," she said, "that "it takes things like this rebellion to wake people up."[4]
Waters co-sponsored Rep. John Conyers' bill calling for reparations for slavery to be paid to African Americans.
Waters blames illicit drugs for the rampant crime that plagues her congressional district, and she has blamed the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) for the presence of those drugs. In the 1980s she accused the CIA of selling crack in black neighborhoods. However, the San Jose Mercury-News eventually retracted the story on which Waters had based her allegations for lack of evidence. Undeterred, Waters told the Los Angeles Times in 1997: "It doesn't matter whether the CIA delivered the kilo of cocaine themselves or turned their back on it to let somebody else do it. They're guilty just the same."
Waters has traveled several times to Cuba, where she praised dictator Fidel Castro and called for an end to the U.S. trade embargo against the Castro government. In a letter to Castro (quoted during an October 2, 1998 newscast on Radio Havana), she wrote that Castro had a perfect right to grant "political asylum" to U.S. citizens fleeing "political persecution."
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brookly red Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:37:33pm |
re: #43 Cato the Elder
And bloggers. And taxi drivers. And "citizens".
Put down the bong.
I find the bong comment offensive... do you have a problem with watchdoging congress?
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:37:44pm |
re: #40 brookly red
Rangel is old school... he knows where the bodies are, look for this too get ugly.
Damn, Brookly, are you making unauthorized references to my ditties?
Long-time fixture of Congress, C. Rangel,
finds himself in a heck of a tangle.
But he knows where his friends'
buried bodies lie. Hence
I'm betting a pardon he'll wangle.Copyright © 2010 Cato the Elder
Now, do I need to invoke the intellectual property laws, or will you just knuckle and send me a check?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:37:54pm |
re: #34 Cato the Elder
Current top ad on LGF: "Urgent! Keep the Bush tax cuts!"
Click now. Your local plutocrats are counting on you.
There was a family on the news last night that's going to owe an extra five thousand on their taxes now. They were discussing, very seriously, how they're going to have to start packing their work lunches.
This couple makes 175,000 annually, and have one child. I can't imagine they really want to pay another 5,000 bucks on their taxes, but I also was having trouble believing that it was going to impact the little luxuries of their lives all that much.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:38:35pm |
re: #43 Cato the Elder
And bloggers. And taxi drivers. And "citizens".
Put down the bong.
no...a background and tax check is not unfair
it's the best job in the US...
urine tests as well
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darthstar Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:39:10pm |
re: #37 brookly red
I think all congress people should be investigated just as a matter of general principal...
Michele Bachmann said the same thing...to weed out the 'anti-Americans' in Congress.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:39:23pm |
re: #44 albusteve
I thought that was wrong of BO to spout that...he needs to learn to keep his yap shut
Huh. And if he said nothing?
Steve, Obama could personally stop a meteor hurtling toward Earth, and you'd complain.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:39:35pm |
re: #48 Rightwingconspirator
[snip]
Waters further asserted that racial injustice was rampant in America. She claimed that the L.A. tumult could rightly be called a "rebellion" or "insurrection," but not a riot. "Riot implies to me wild, crazed, uncalled-for actions," she explained, "and I'm not so sure that's quite appropriate for what took place in Los Angeles."[3] It was "unfortunate," she said, "that "it takes things like this rebellion to wake people up."[4]
[snip]
Sounds like some wingnut stuff I've heard recently.
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brookly red Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:40:12pm |
re: #50 Cato the Elder
Now, do I need to invoke the intellectual property laws, or will you just knuckle and send me a check?
get.a.job.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:40:35pm |
Rangel does want to raise our taxes while not paying his. Welcome, Mr. Rangel, to MyListTM.
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jaunte Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:40:51pm |
re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist
Huh. And if he said nothing?
Steve, Obama could personally stop a meteor hurtling toward Earth, and you'd complain.
Wouldn't that be grandstanding?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:40:58pm |
re: #48 Rightwingconspirator
Okay but that was her inciting the Rodney king rioters which resulted in a billion in property damage, 53 deaths and many injuries.
Her advice to the country at the time-"No Justice No Peace". Every second she has held office since is utterly undeserved and an injustice in itself. I am saddened that this does not look like enough to get rid of her.
Oh and we do have this
During the Los Angeles riots in the wake of the infamous 1992 Rodney King trial, Waters described the violence (in which 58 people were killed) as "a spontaneous reaction to a lot of injustice." She held "economic, social, cultural and political" factors responsible for the disorder.[1] She dismissed the mass black looting of Korean-owned stores by saying: "There were mothers who took this as an opportunity to take some milk, to take some bread, to take some shoes…. They are not crooks." Chanting the radical slogan "No justice, no peace," she attributed the rioters' underlying rage to the federal government's allegedly longstanding "neglect" of America's inner cities.[2]
Waters further asserted that racial injustice was rampant in America. She claimed that the L.A. tumult could rightly be called a "rebellion" or "insurrection," but not a riot. "Riot implies to me wild, crazed, uncalled-for actions," she explained, "and I'm not so sure that's quite appropriate for what took place in Los Angeles."[3] It was "unfortunate," she said, "that "it takes things like this rebellion to wake people up."[4]
Waters co-sponsored Rep. John Conyers' bill calling for reparations for slavery to be paid to African Americans.
Waters blames illicit drugs for the rampant crime that plagues her congressional district, and she has blamed the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) for the presence of those drugs. In the 1980s she accused the CIA of selling crack in black neighborhoods. However, the San Jose Mercury-News eventually retracted the story on which Waters had based her allegations for lack of evidence. Undeterred, Waters told the Los Angeles Times in 1997: "It doesn't matter whether the CIA delivered the kilo of cocaine themselves or turned their back on it to let somebody else do it. They're guilty just the same."
Waters has traveled several times to Cuba, where she praised dictator Fidel Castro and called for an end to the U.S. trade embargo against the Castro government. In a letter to Castro (quoted during an October 2, 1998 newscast on Radio Havana), she wrote that Castro had a perfect right to grant "political asylum" to U.S. citizens fleeing "political persecution."
I'm desperately fighting the urge to get all tu-quoquey here. Somebody congratulate me on my staunchness.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:41:08pm |
re: #31 lostlakehiker
Whatever, dude. Since I was talking about drug offenses, and made that abundantly clear at the time we were talking, I have no clue why you're feeling the need to revisit this here, out of the blue.
In addition, when it comes to sentencing for those crimes with victims, blacks still get the short end of the stick.
[Link: community.seattletimes.nwsource.com...]
Why did you feel the need to suddenly readdress this?
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brookly red Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:41:14pm |
re: #53 darthstar
Michele Bachmann said the same thing...to weed out the 'anti-Americans' in Congress.
how about we just start with the criminal?
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:41:19pm |
re: #52 albusteve
no...a background and tax check is not unfair
it's the best job in the US...
urine tests as well
I had to submit to the equivelent of a three year audit to work with our State Deprtment of Revenue. Even after I'd been vetted for my job in the Governor's Office. I was not a happy camper, but I didn't have anything to hide. They found an error that caused me to have to refile and then sent me a letter that I couldn't get the additional refund since the refile was done more than a year later.
Gotta love bureaucracy.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:42:06pm |
re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist
Huh. And if he said nothing?
Steve, Obama could personally stop a meteor hurtling toward Earth, and you'd complain.
it's none of his business...in this country Rangle is innocent until proven guilty....of course he's guilty but that's not for BO to yack off about
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Soap_Man Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:42:08pm |
re: #51 SanFranciscoZionist
There was a family on the news last night that's going to owe an extra five thousand on their taxes now. They were discussing, very seriously, how they're going to have to start packing their work lunches.
This couple makes 175,000 annually, and have one child. I can't imagine they really want to pay another 5,000 bucks on their taxes, but I also was having trouble believing that it was going to impact the little luxuries of their lives all that much.
Well, most people set up their lives in relation to what they make. My brother and his wife both make very good money. But they don't have a lot to throw around because they bought a really nice place and whatnot.
Now many, including myself, would argue that it is a good idea to live below your means instead of right at your means, but it's their money. A $5,000 bump would still make things tighter for them.
Unless you are a millionaire, $5,000 is a lot of money, even if you make $175k combined.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:42:09pm |
re: #52 albusteve
no...a background and tax check is not unfair
it's the best job in the US...
urine tests as well
Fuck drug tests. They are invasion of privacy with no probable cause.
A friend of mine was accepted to Hopkins Medical School on a full scholarship. They asked him to take a drug test. He stood up on his back legs and told them that after being accepted to Hopkins he could pick any med school in the country, and they could shove it.
Bravo. They backed down, and he graduated first in his class.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:42:11pm |
re: #54 SanFranciscoZionist
Huh. And if he said nothing?
Steve, Obama could personally stop a meteor hurtling toward Earth, and you'd complain.
It's not a meteor until it hits our atmosphere, it's a boloid if it's still in space. When it hits the ground, then it's a meteorite.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:42:46pm |
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:42:56pm |
re: #44 albusteve
I thought that was wrong of BO to spout that...he needs to learn to keep his yap shut
He had one of three choices:
- Keep quiet and get blasted by the press, with Faux leading the charge, that he's turning a blind eye to unethical Congress critters in his own party.
- Speak out in support of Rangel, which would get the same screeching monkies screaming that he's condoning such activities.
- Or call on Rangel to resign, in which case he gets bashed for "butting in" on Congressional matters.
Personally, I think the third choice is the most politically palatable at the present time.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:42:57pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:43:01pm |
re: #64 Soap_Man
Well, most people set up their lives in relation to what they make. My brother and his wife both make very good money. But they don't have a lot to throw around because they bought a really nice place and whatnot.
Now many, including myself, would argue that it is a good idea to live below your means instead of right at your means, but it's their money. A $5,000 bump would still make things tighter for them.
Unless you are a millionaire, $5,000 is a lot of money, even if you make $175k combined.
That's true. But to be perfectly honest, my sympathies were not engaged.
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:44:26pm |
I have worked with many people for whom probably cause for a drug test would not have been a hard thing to demonstrate. Just sayin'
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RadicalModerate Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:45:02pm |
re: #48 Rightwingconspirator
A David Horowitz page on Waters? That has WND as a source for several of the cites? Forgive me for being less than convinced.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:45:38pm |
re: #71 DaddyG
I have worked with many people for whom probably cause for a drug test would not have been a hard thing to demonstrate. Just sayin'
My boss had a guy pass out with a needle in his arm in the restaurant I don't work at.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:46:48pm |
re: #74 Cannadian Club Akbar
My boss had a guy pass out with a needle in his arm in the restaurant I don't work at.
Dude was in the bathroom. My boss had to pick the lock.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:47:07pm |
re: #65 Cato the Elder
Fuck drug tests. They are invasion of privacy with no probable cause.
A friend of mine was accepted to Hopkins Medical School on a full scholarship. They asked him to take a drug test. He stood up on his back legs and told them that after being accepted to Hopkins he could pick any med school in the country, and they could shove it.
Bravo. They backed down, and he graduated first in his class.
congress is different...once elected they should be considered on parole....and if I was your friend I would have done the same thing...nobody pushes me around, outside of the law and Charles...and my mom, my daughter and exwife...my deceased dad, couple of people here
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brookly red Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:47:32pm |
re: #66 Walter L. Newton
It's not a meteor until it hits our atmosphere, it's a boloid if it's still in space. When it hits the ground, then it's a meteorite.
so does that count as jobs created or saved?
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:48:14pm |
re: #76 albusteve
congress is different...once elected they should be considered on parole...and if I was your friend I would have done the same thing...nobody pushes me around, outside of the law and Charles...and my mom, my daughter and exwife...my deceased dad, couple of people here
I assume I'm one of the couple?
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:48:40pm |
re: #77 brookly red
so does that count as jobs created or saved?
Do you know how many meteorites where lost under Bush?
/
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Soap_Man Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:49:11pm |
re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist
That's true. But to be perfectly honest, my sympathies were not engaged.
And I don't blame you for it. I don't opposed letting the high-end tax cuts expire. I'm skeptical of the negative impact that would have on the economy. I think keeping the taxes low for low- to middle-income folks has more more powerful impact on the economy because they represent a bigger portion of the country and are more likely to spend the money on goods, which will drive commerce. "Trickle up" I guess.
But I think there is this idea that people who make $250k or more are just swimming in money. They already lose a lot of that to taxes, and many spend a lot on mortgages and property taxes because they feel they have earned the right to live in a nice house in a nice community. And at that point, you get used to a certain lifestyle and don't want to give it up.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:49:27pm |
re: #73 RadicalModerate
A David Horowitz page on Waters? That has WND as a source for several of the cites? Forgive me for being less than convinced.
You're probably right... I wouldn't trust the source for the Waters "riot" quotes... Aldore Collier, "Maxine Waters: Telling It Like It Is in L.A.," Ebony (October 1992), p. 38.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:49:33pm |
re: #68 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
He had one of three choices:
- Keep quiet and get blasted by the press, with Faux leading the charge, that he's turning a blind eye to unethical Congress critters in his own party.
- Speak out in support of Rangel, which would get the same screeching monkies screaming that he's condoning such activities.
- Or call on Rangel to resign, in which case he gets bashed for "butting in" on Congressional matters.
Personally, I think the third choice is the most politically palatable at the present time.
if he needed to make a statement, he could have triped some generic crap, down the middle....suggesting a leading house member resign before his hearings even begin is a stupid rookie mistake...go shoot 3's rube
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:50:50pm |
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Soap_Man Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:51:17pm |
re: #76 albusteve
congress is different...once elected they should be considered on parole...and if I was your friend I would have done the same thing...nobody pushes me around, outside of the law and Charles...and my mom, my daughter and exwife...my deceased dad, couple of people here
I always felt that anyone on the public dime should have longer and harsher sentences for crimes committed. A dirty cop, for example, should get a harsher sentence than a regular citizen who commits the same crime. We put our trust in these people. That should be taken into account when they are caught, not just give them a slap on the wrist and a "don't do it again."
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:51:56pm |
re: #51 SanFranciscoZionist
There was a family on the news last night that's going to owe an extra five thousand on their taxes now. They were discussing, very seriously, how they're going to have to start packing their work lunches.
This couple makes 175,000 annually, and have one child. I can't imagine they really want to pay another 5,000 bucks on their taxes, but I also was having trouble believing that it was going to impact the little luxuries of their lives all that much.
Whaddaya wanna bet that if you click on the ad it tells all kinds of lies about how "people just like you" are gonna lose their doublewides and their gunz and their fweedoms if they don't contribute $XX right nowz to stop the Obameccan Socialist Nazi-Leninist Muslim Takeover of This Great Country of Ours?
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brookly red Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:53:36pm |
My question is why, right now before an election is a Democrat controlled congress bringing up years old corruption cases? These things could have been addressed long ago or pushed back till after the election... why now, something here just don't smell right.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:55:11pm |
re: #86 brookly red
My question is why, right now before an election is a Democrat controlled congress bringing up years old corruption cases? These things could have been addressed long ago or pushed back till after the election... why now, something here just don't smell right.
points for doing the right thing?...life is a circle
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:55:26pm |
re: #86 brookly red
My question is why, right now before an election is a Democrat controlled congress bringing up years old corruption cases? These things could have been addressed long ago or pushed back till after the election... why now, something here just don't smell right.
Finally draining the pond?
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brookly red Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:56:30pm |
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:56:38pm |
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:56:57pm |
re: #82 albusteve
if he needed to make a statement, he could have triped some generic crap, down the middle...suggesting a leading house member resign before his hearings even begin is a stupid rookie mistake...go shoot 3's rube
Oh please, anything the man did on this matter would have been criticized. If he'd done as you'd suggested and make some middling speech that neither condemned nor condoned Rangel, he'd be slapped with accusations that he's ignoring the problem. That if he couldn't come down on one side or the other, he should have just kept his trap shut.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:57:05pm |
re: #73 RadicalModerate
Dig as far as you want, see how much is mis reported. These are her own quotes not some stretch of alleged connections. I recall some of her most egregious contentions on the radio and news.
And these are the cites from the page as follows
[1] Minoo Southgate, "Black Power, Nineties Style," National Rebview (December 13, 1993), p. 47.
[2] Aldore Collier, "Maxine Waters: Telling It Like It Is in L.A.," Ebony (October 1992), p. 38.
[3] "Maxine Waters: Straight Talk from South Central," Ladies' Home Journal (August 1992), p. 112.
[4] Aldore Collier, "Maxine Waters: Telling It Like It Is in L.A.," Ebony (October 1992), p. 38.
[5] William Wilbanks, The Myth of a Racist Criminal justice System (Monterey, CA: Brooks/Cole Publishing Company, 1987), p. 33. John DiIulio, "My Black Crime Problem, and Ours," City Journal (Spring 1996), p. 23.
[6] "Race and Crime," Investor's Business Daily (February 21, 1996).
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brookly red Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:57:18pm |
re: #90 albusteve
more like a fetid, putrid swamp
I think cesspool is the word you were looking for...
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:57:31pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:57:33pm |
re: #86 brookly red
My question is why, right now before an election is a Democrat controlled congress bringing up years old corruption cases? These things could have been addressed long ago or pushed back till after the election... why now, something here just don't smell right.
Maybe someone thought it would look good, good for the Democrats, finally scraping the bottom of the pool or something. I don't know.
Maybe it's just doing the right thing.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:57:35pm |
re: #90 albusteve
more like a fetid, putrid swamp
Elected by the dwellers in said swamp.
Government we deserve.
I assume you still vote?
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:58:09pm |
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SpaceJesus Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:58:10pm |
the comments at fox news about the new MEGA MOSQUE story are amazing.
"Think of it... they can build a nuke on the spot...and the only hint will be the blinding flash of the detonation! No warning or no way to stop it. The 'good' brothers will not rat out the radicals and we will soon have another reason to be compassionate to those who pray we were dead."
Jim Dersch
Monday, August 02, 2010 at 2:35 PM
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:59:19pm |
re: #98 SpaceJesus
the comments at fox news about the new MEGA MOSQUE story are amazing.
"Think of it... they can build a nuke on the spot...and the only hint will be the blinding flash of the detonation! No warning or no way to stop it. The 'good' brothers will not rat out the radicals and we will soon have another reason to be compassionate to those who pray we were dead."
Jim Dersch
Monday, August 02, 2010 at 2:35 PM
Wrong... they are stupid.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:59:30pm |
re: #91 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Oh please, anything the man did on this matter would have been criticized. If he'd done as you'd suggested and make some middling speech that neither condemned nor condoned Rangel, he'd be slapped with accusations that he's ignoring the problem. That if he couldn't come down on one side or the other, he should have just kept his trap shut.
he should ignore it publicly...that's the point
why say anything?....it's none of his business
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 2:59:56pm |
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:00:17pm |
Wikipedia doesn't paint a pretty picture (morally) of her either. I might be a Democrat, but someone this corrupt/amoral is repulsive.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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SpaceJesus Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:00:39pm |
re: #99 Walter L. Newton
sarcasm, friend. i actually hate these people and their intolerance with every fiber of my cosmic being.
i'm moving to sweden
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:01:09pm |
re: #96 Cato the Elder
Elected by the dwellers in said swamp.
Government we deserve.
I assume you still vote?
I assume you think that you still have some element of control when you vote. High ideals, cynic that you are, you must be kidding. I don't care what the size and shape of the vessel is that we send to DC, it still gets filled with the same putrid stink.
Get real.
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Soap_Man Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:01:10pm |
re: #98 SpaceJesus
the comments at fox news about the new MEGA MOSQUE story are amazing.
"Think of it... they can build a nuke on the spot...and the only hint will be the blinding flash of the detonation! No warning or no way to stop it. The 'good' brothers will not rat out the radicals and we will soon have another reason to be compassionate to those who pray we were dead."
Jim Dersch
Monday, August 02, 2010 at 2:35 PM
"They" could do that in a warehouse. Or a decent-sized residence. Or a god-damn boat. The thing about nukes is that you don't have to be particularly close to what you want to blow up.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:01:35pm |
re: #96 Cato the Elder
Elected by the dwellers in said swamp.
Government we deserve.
I assume you still vote?
are you baiting me?...do I look like a carp all of a sudden?
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:01:41pm |
re: #103 SpaceJesus
sarcasm, friend. i actually hate these people and their intolerance with every fiber of my cosmic being.
i'm moving to sweden
Dude, space is a better alternative than anyplace on earth.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:02:30pm |
re: #100 albusteve
he should ignore it publicly...that's the point
why say anything?...it's none of his business
It's exactly his business, as the head of the Party he had to say something.
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RadicalModerate Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:02:46pm |
re: #86 brookly red
One possibility is that the Democrats may be hedging their bets on some of these cases (Waters comes immediately to mind). With the Dems still in control of the House if they decide to play politics instead of deciding the outcome strictly based on the facts of the case - which BOTH parties are guilty of doing more often than not - they would fare much better than if these charges came up with the Republicans running things.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:02:46pm |
re: #103 SpaceJesus
sarcasm, friend. i actually hate these people and their intolerance with every fiber of my cosmic being.
i'm moving to sweden
Please do. That intolerance, whether you like it or not, is part of that little thing called the constitution. Too bad. And you folks that keep on promising to leave, you all are blowing a lot of hot air most of the time.
Don't tell us, just do it.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:02:50pm |
re: #107 Cato the Elder
i misspoke, sorry. im moving the entire country of sweden into space is what i meant.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:02:59pm |
re: #104 Walter L. Newton
I assume you think that you still have some element of control when you vote. High ideals, cynic that you are, you must be kidding. I don't care what the size and shape of the vessel is that we send to DC, it still gets filled with the same putrid stink.
Get real.
A putrid stink that comes from the people who live, work, and vote in this sad relic of a Republic.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:03:57pm |
re: #103 SpaceJesus
sarcasm, friend. i actually hate these people and their intolerance with every fiber of my cosmic being.
i'm moving to sweden
one of the most anti-semitic countries in all of Europe
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:04:14pm |
re: #86 brookly red
My question is why, right now before an election is a Democrat controlled congress bringing up years old corruption cases? These things could have been addressed long ago or pushed back till after the election... why now, something here just don't smell right.
Because they're attending to business before the midterms. It may not be pure as the driven snow, but it's not exactly sinister.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:05:06pm |
re: #113 albusteve
one of the most anti-semitic countries in all of Europe
With tall blond women. Just sayin".
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webevintage Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:05:12pm |
re: #70 SanFranciscoZionist
That's true. But to be perfectly honest, my sympathies were not engaged.
Mine either.
OMG! They will have to pack lunches from home...my heart, it bleeds.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:05:27pm |
re: #108 goddamnedfrank
It's exactly his business, as the head of the Party he had to say something.
fine, then say something vanila
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brookly red Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:05:48pm |
re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist
Because they're attending to business before the midterms. It may not be pure as the driven snow, but it's not exactly sinister.
too close to the mid terms... something is up.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:06:03pm |
re: #110 Walter L. Newton
oh really? free speech is in the constitution? i did not know that, thank you for reminding me oh learned scholar of jurisprudence
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:06:06pm |
re: #51 SanFranciscoZionist
There was a family on the news last night that's going to owe an extra five thousand on their taxes now. They were discussing, very seriously, how they're going to have to start packing their work lunches.
This couple makes 175,000 annually, and have one child. I can't imagine they really want to pay another 5,000 bucks on their taxes, but I also was having trouble believing that it was going to impact the little luxuries of their lives all that much.
These guys are the draft horses pulling the tax wagon. The top 5% makes something like 30% of the income and pays something like 60% of the taxes. (Numbers off the top of my head and unsourced, but I'd bet they're in the ballpark.)
I've got no complaint with the current tax code; those who make a lot more than usual should pay more than the median percentage tax rate.
Still, I'm not convinced that they can pay any price and bear any burden. For one thing, many in this class have had their sails severely trimmed by the current economic mess and they were optimists before and bought houses based on pre-crash incomes. Now, they're stretched thin.
Their troubles are not to be compared to those of the poor and the jobless, but they too can be broken. "Little luxuries" is not what's now on the line for them.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:06:18pm |
re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist
Because they're attending to business before the midterms. It may not be pure as the driven snow, but it's not exactly sinister.
I disagree. It is all about the power.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:07:15pm |
re: #112 Cato the Elder
A putrid stink that comes from the people who live, work, and vote in this sad relic of a Republic.
Nope, sorry, don't agree with you at all. The folk down at my level, most of them are wonderful, caring folks, who do a lot for each other, and our bottom line is respect for each other, sans what ever the fuck is going on in DC.
If that's the kind of jerks you hang around with, sorry for you.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:07:39pm |
re: #98 SpaceJesus
the comments at fox news about the new MEGA MOSQUE story are amazing.
"Think of it... they can build a nuke on the spot...and the only hint will be the blinding flash of the detonation! No warning or no way to stop it. The 'good' brothers will not rat out the radicals and we will soon have another reason to be compassionate to those who pray we were dead."
Jim Dersch
Monday, August 02, 2010 at 2:35 PM
Yes. If I were going to build a nuke, the place I would, of course, choose to do it, is a Burlington Coat Factory building in Lower Manhattan.
Of course, if we don't let them have the Burlington Coat Factory building, they will be UNABLE to build the nuke, and we will all be safe.
I repeat, for the benefit of the morons in the audience, You do not need a mosque to hatch a plot. You need a mosque to pray. You can hatch a plot in Khalid's living room. You can also pray in Khalid's living room, but...oh, never mind. The point here is that stopping people from building mosques will not stop terrorists from doing what they do.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:07:41pm |
re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist
Because they're attending to business before the midterms. It may not be pure as the driven snow, but it's not exactly sinister.
everything in congress is sinister
everything
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:07:42pm |
re: #120 lostlakehiker
These guys are the draft horses pulling the tax wagon. The top 5% makes something like 30% of the income and pays something like 60% of the taxes.
No, this is not true.
You mean 'income taxes', not taxes.
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RadicalModerate Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:08:11pm |
re: #92 Rightwingconspirator
I think that some of her comments in regards to the early 1990s LAPD actually were on-target, as subsequent investigations into some of the shenanigans of the department bore witness to. Paint it any way that you like, but the LAPD of that time had some SERIOUS racial issues.
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webevintage Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:08:15pm |
I wonder what will happen when the folks investigating Ensign finally come back with a few ethics violations for him.
Will anyone pay any attention?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:08:22pm |
re: #105 Soap_Man
"They" could do that in a warehouse. Or a decent-sized residence. Or a god-damn boat. The thing about nukes is that you don't have to be particularly close to what you want to blow up.
Hell, you don't have to be on the same continent.
Theoretically, you don't have to be on the same planet.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:08:27pm |
re: #122 Walter L. Newton
Nope, sorry, don't agree with you at all. The folk down at my level, most of them are wonderful, caring folks, who do a lot for each other, and our bottom line is respect for each other, sans what ever the fuck is going on in DC.
If that's the kind of jerks you hang around with, sorry for you.
I would hang out with you and Steve if someone would send me gas money.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:08:44pm |
re: #113 albusteve
one of the most anti-semitic countries in all of Europe
[Link: www.portfolio.com...]
"The least bigoted nations were dominated by Scandinavian countries: Sweden (13.4%), the Netherlands (17.2%), Iceland (18.4%), Canada (21.5%), Denmark (21.9%)"
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brookly red Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:08:45pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:08:51pm |
re: #111 SpaceJesus
i misspoke, sorry. im moving the entire country of sweden into space is what i meant.
Swedes...In...Space!!!
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:09:04pm |
re: #126 RadicalModerate
I think that some of her comments in regards to the early 1990s LAPD actually were on-target, as subsequent investigations into some of the shenanigans of the department bore witness to. Paint it any way that you like, but the LAPD of that time had some SERIOUS racial issues.
Look up Rampart Division.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:09:10pm |
re: #117 albusteve
fine, then say something vanila
Then you'd be bitching about that instead.
It's all you ever do.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:09:37pm |
re: #129 Cato the Elder
I would hang out with you and Steve if someone would send me gas money.
Not with that lousy attitude I won't :)
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:09:45pm |
re: #132 brookly red
congress is sinister period.
As a Sinistro-American (someone who writes, shoots, and fences with his left hand), I take offense at that.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:10:07pm |
re: #118 brookly red
too close to the mid terms... something is up.
What do you imagine this might be?
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:10:11pm |
More gems of alleged wisdom from Rep Maxine Waters, in her own words.
re: #126 RadicalModerate
What about her comments on the CIA?
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:10:14pm |
re: #113 albusteve
one of the most anti-semitic countries in all of Europe
Sweden? No, it isn't.
You might be thinking of Italy. Or maybe Poland. Possibly the Czech Republic. Maybe Serbia. Possibly Romania. Maybe Hungary.
Sweden would be among the least anti-Semitic places in Europe.
Where do you get these ideas from?
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:10:27pm |
re: #129 Cato the Elder
I would hang out with you and Steve if someone would send me gas money.
my church is working on a CrosscountryCato Fund as we speak
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:11:02pm |
re: #131 SpaceJesus
[Link: www.portfolio.com...]
"The least bigoted nations were dominated by Scandinavian countries: Sweden (13.4%), the Netherlands (17.2%), Iceland (18.4%), Canada (21.5%), Denmark (21.9%)"
go there, find out for yourself
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:11:21pm |
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SpaceJesus Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:11:27pm |
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webevintage Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:11:40pm |
re: #120 lostlakehiker
These guys are the draft horses pulling the tax wagon. The top 5% makes something like 30% of the income and pays something like 60% of the taxes. (Numbers off the top of my head and unsourced, but I'd bet they're in the ballpark.)
The thing is, those people making $175,000 would not loose their tax cut....right.
I thought it would be just the top 2%.....
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brookly red Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:11:46pm |
re: #138 SanFranciscoZionist
What do you imagine this might be?
I don't know it makes no sense, but it is no accident either.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:11:59pm |
re: #142 albusteve
go there, find out for yourself
lived for thee months at goldbringa, outside Goteborg
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:12:23pm |
re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist
What do you disagree with?
I think they are more about keeping control than doing the right thing.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:12:30pm |
re: #140 Obdicut
Sweden? No, it isn't.
You might be thinking of Italy. Or maybe Poland. Possibly the Czech Republic. Maybe Serbia. Possibly Romania. Maybe Hungary.
Sweden would be among the least anti-Semitic places in Europe.
Where do you get these ideas from?
I dream them up at night...do some research or meet some Swedes like I have, or people who have visited
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:13:15pm |
re: #124 albusteve
everything in congress is sinister
everything
I sometimes realize that the thing that most divides me ideologically from others on this blog is that I actually like politics. They are messy, and dangerous, and sometimes disgusting, but I enjoy them. My life would be sadder if I just decided everyone in the government was corrupts and sat back to watch them all with a jaundiced eye.
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RadicalModerate Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:13:57pm |
re: #139 Rightwingconspirator
More gems of alleged wisdom from Rep Maxine Waters, in her own words.
[Video]What about her comments on the CIA?
I disagree with her that they were supplying drugs to inner-cities, but based on the fact that the CIA was engaged in drug-running during the 1980s, I can see where some people (Waters was by no means alone in this accusation) could come to that conclusion.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:13:57pm |
re: #149 albusteve
I dream them up at night...do some research or meet some Swedes like I have, or people who have visited
i also had an exchange student from sweden in high school.
in fact, the first muslim i befriended was in sweden at the galaxen skatepark in gothenburg. he was from pakistan, very cool guy, used to let me hang out at his house and watch skate videos and eat with his family.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:14:04pm |
re: #129 Cato the Elder
I would hang out with you and Steve if someone would send me gas money.
you should go out and grab Walter, then crash ABQ....we'll eat tacos and smoke peyote....Chiefs!
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SixDegrees Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:14:16pm |
Trial before Congress. I predict a severe "Tsk, Tsk"ing will be administered. Same for Rangel.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:14:18pm |
re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist
Politics is a blood sport.
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Targetpractice Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:14:30pm |
re: #100 albusteve
he should ignore it publicly...that's the point
why say anything?...it's none of his business
As has been pointed out, the man is the effective, if not official, head of the party, like all presidents before him. He doesn't have the "luxury" of taking a hands-off approach to prominent members of his own party being accused and charged with ethics violations. At least not so far as his critics are concerned.
By the same token, his critics will come down just as hard on him not taking a side in the matter, just as they would if he did take a side. Or, for those playing the home game, the man's fraked in the eyes of his critics, no matter what action he takes.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:14:33pm |
re: #146 brookly red
I don't know it makes no sense, but it is no accident either.
Paranoid schizophrenia doesn't believe in coincidence.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:14:35pm |
re: #127 webevintage
I wonder what will happen when the folks investigating Ensign finally come back with a few ethics violations for him.
Will anyone pay any attention?
Yes, someone will say they targeted a white Republican to distract from the sinister plot of the ethics committee against black Democrats.
Or something.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:15:09pm |
re: #149 albusteve
I dream them up at night...do some research or meet some Swedes like I have, or people who have visited
I know plenty about Sweden. I lived in Sweden for six months, working for EA. As a Jew.
You have no clue what you're talking about.
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brookly red Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:15:43pm |
re: #155 Cannadian Club Akbar
Politics is a blood sport.
unfortunately it is played with our blood (and sweat)
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SpaceJesus Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:15:55pm |
re: #159 Obdicut
I know plenty about Sweden. I lived in Sweden for six months, working for EA. As a Jew.
You have no clue what you're talking about.
that's because he's full of it
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:16:14pm |
re: #60 Obdicut
Whatever, dude. Since I was talking about drug offenses, and made that abundantly clear at the time we were talking, I have no clue why you're feeling the need to revisit this here, out of the blue.
In addition, when it comes to sentencing for those crimes with victims, blacks still get the short end of the stick.
[Link: community.seattletimes.nwsource.com...]
Why did you feel the need to suddenly readdress this?
You asked for evidence.
For my part, I was never talking about drug crime. That is a whole nother story. I was talking about armed robbery, murder, attempted murder, and less serious offenses in the same general vein. Things that most everybody agrees really are crimes.
Punishment of the guilty equals defense of the rights of the innocent. Justice must take this seriously and come down hard on criminals. Failure to do so constitutes an injustice to the victim. If I accept your claim that white offenders are given lighter sentences, then I have to be angry with the law for brushing off white victims. I want white offenders to be punished at least as severely as black. More, if we have to break the tie. But equally, as near as possible.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:16:20pm |
re: #146 brookly red
I don't know it makes no sense, but it is no accident either.
I don't think it's an accident, I think it's a campaign strategy. You're talking as though this is some sort of arcane plan.
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brookly red Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:16:23pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:16:43pm |
re: #148 Cannadian Club Akbar
I think they are more about keeping control than doing the right thing.
I think they're about getting votes at the midterms.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:16:44pm |
re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist
I sometimes realize that the thing that most divides me ideologically from others on this blog is that I actually like politics. They are messy, and dangerous, and sometimes disgusting, but I enjoy them. My life would be sadder if I just decided everyone in the government was corrupts and sat back to watch them all with a jaundiced eye.
You'd be much wiser.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:17:12pm |
re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist
I sometimes realize that the thing that most divides me ideologically from others on this blog is that I actually like politics. They are messy, and dangerous, and sometimes disgusting, but I enjoy them. My life would be sadder if I just decided everyone in the government was corrupts and sat back to watch them all with a jaundiced eye.
I don't mind politics...I despise thieves tho
I'm amazed at how many people have confidence in the feds, don't mind sending them vast amounts of money, and believing that govt is there friend and will do the right thing....it's really a hoot for me
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:17:19pm |
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:17:45pm |
re: #162 lostlakehiker
You asked for evidence.
So make a page on it, dude.
For my part, I was never talking about drug crime.
And I was.
If I accept your claim that white offenders are given lighter sentences, then I have to be angry with the law for brushing off white victims.
Then be angry. But I really doubt that random threadjacks are the way for us to communicate about this.
As aways, my gmail is just my name here. Feel free to send anything you want there.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:17:49pm |
Was it Maxine Waters that said anyone that thought OJ was guilty is a racist? Or was that somebody else? We are to believe the CIA was guilty of distributing cocaine here in the US and OJ was innocent. The dissonance is just astonishing. Clearly-She engages in race baiting.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:18:17pm |
re: #156 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
As has been pointed out, the man is the effective, if not official, head of the party, like all presidents before him. He doesn't have the "luxury" of taking a hands-off approach to prominent members of his own party being accused and charged with ethics violations. At least not so far as his critics are concerned.
By the same token, his critics will come down just as hard on him not taking a side in the matter, just as they would if he did take a side. Or, for those playing the home game, the man's fraked in the eyes of his critics, no matter what action he takes.
whatever...I assume you get my drift
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prairiefire Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:18:18pm |
re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist
I sometimes realize that the thing that most divides me ideologically from others on this blog is that I actually like politics. They are messy, and dangerous, and sometimes disgusting, but I enjoy them. My life would be sadder if I just decided everyone in the government was corrupts and sat back to watch them all with a jaundiced eye.
I agree, SFZ. I like the hard scrabble brawl. I like winning. I like making things happen.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:18:22pm |
re: #155 Cannadian Club Akbar
Politics is a blood sport.
I understand it better than hockey, though.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:18:49pm |
re: #159 Obdicut
I know plenty about Sweden. I lived in Sweden for six months, working for EA. As a Jew.
You have no clue what you're talking about.
(Published: 7:30AM GMT 21 Feb 2010) Jews leave Swedish city after sharp rise in anti-Semitic hate crimes - Sweden's reputation as a tolerant, liberal nation is being threatened by a steep rise in anti-Semitic hate crimes in the city of Malmo.
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
Of course, the source is the Telegraph, so...
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:19:16pm |
re: #159 Obdicut
I know plenty about Sweden. I lived in Sweden for six months, working for EA. As a Jew.
You have no clue what you're talking about.
okay
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RadicalModerate Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:19:20pm |
re: #134 Cannadian Club Akbar
Look up Rampart Division.
Yeah, Rampart was one of the problem areas. The LAPD's CRASH group was so bad that they had to dismantle the division entirely.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:19:31pm |
re: #166 Walter L. Newton
You'd be much wiser.
Sure, then I could answer everything that came up here "They're all corrupt. They're all corrupt. They're all corrupt."
Damn, I would feel smart!!
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:19:35pm |
re: #173 SanFranciscoZionist
I understand it better than hockey, though.
I have been to a Game 7 AND a voting booth. (didn't see snow until I was 30, though)
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:20:14pm |
re: #176 RadicalModerate
Yeah, Rampart was one of the problem areas. The LAPD's CRASH group was so bad that they had to dismantle the division entirely.
I did a paper on rampart in college.
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Ben G. Hazi Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:20:47pm |
re: #159 Obdicut
I know plenty about Sweden. I lived in Sweden for six months, working for EA. As a Jew.
You have no clue what you're talking about.
Did some work for DICE, did you?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:21:06pm |
re: #174 Walter L. Newton
(Published: 7:30AM GMT 21 Feb 2010) Jews leave Swedish city after sharp rise in anti-Semitic hate crimes - Sweden's reputation as a tolerant, liberal nation is being threatened by a steep rise in anti-Semitic hate crimes in the city of Malmo.
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk...]
Of course, the source is the Telegraph, so...
Yeah, that's what all the links I find on Swedish anti-Semitism seems to come back to...the reporting on Malmo.
Suggesting that Sweden is one of the most anti-Semitic countries in Europe, though, is BS of a high order.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:21:14pm |
re: #170 Rightwingconspirator
The CIA did, indeed, engage in cocaine trafficking.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
The CIA - in spite of objections from the Drug Enforcement Administration, allowed at least one ton of nearly pure cocaine to be shipped into Miami International Airport. The CIA claimed to have done this as a way of gathering information about Colombian drug cartels. But the cocaine ended up being sold on the street[8].In November 1996 a Miami jury indicted former Venezuelan anti-narcotics chief and longtime CIA asset, General Ramon Guillen Davila, who was smuggling many tons of cocaine into the United States from a Venezuelan warehouse owned by the CIA. In his trial defense, Guillen claimed that all of his drug smuggling operations were approved by the CIA[9].
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brookly red Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:21:20pm |
re: #177 SanFranciscoZionist
Sure, then I could answer everything that came up here "They're all corrupt. They're all corrupt. They're all corrupt."
Damn, I would feel smart!!
but they are all corrupt.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:22:06pm |
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:22:14pm |
re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah, that's what all the links I find on Swedish anti-Semitism seems to come back to...the reporting on Malmo.
Suggesting that Sweden is one of the most anti-Semitic countries in Europe, though, is BS of a high order.
my bullshit is always of the highest order
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:22:35pm |
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SpaceJesus Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:22:35pm |
re: #174 Walter L. Newton
a small immigrant community in southern sweden doesn't like jews?
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:22:44pm |
re: #174 Walter L. Newton
Yeah. There's an increase in one city. Which is notable given that Sweden is very tolerant.
Meanwhile, Hungary just elected 10% of their legislature from a fascist party that's openly anti-semitic.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:23:00pm |
re: #183 brookly red
but they are all corrupt.
Adam Putnam from Florida is a good critter. He's acually leaving congress.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:23:23pm |
re: #185 albusteve
my bullshit is always of the highest order
Which is amazing, given how much of it you produce.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:23:33pm |
re: #189 Cannadian Club Akbar
Adam Putnam from Florida is a good critter. He's acually leaving congress.
Actually, pimf.
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brookly red Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:23:34pm |
re: #189 Cannadian Club Akbar
Adam Putnam from Florida is a good critter. He's acually leaving congress.
I rest my case...
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:23:57pm |
I have to get out of here and go to the bank. BBIAB.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:23:57pm |
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:24:14pm |
re: #182 Obdicut
That is a long ways from her allegations.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:24:26pm |
re: #193 SanFranciscoZionist
I have to get out of here and go to the bank. BBIAB.
I need some 20's. Just sayin'.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:24:55pm |
re: #187 SpaceJesus
a small immigrant community in southern sweden doesn't like jews?
A little more...
'Anti-Semitism on the rise in Sweden'
Most Swedish political figures positioned themselves between strongly condemning Israel while mildly criticizing Hamas' actions on the one hand and totally supporting Hamas and its administration in Gaza on the other.
On the left many condemned Israel's military operation and the Jewish state in general. "I don’t think Israel is a democracy worthy of the name. It’s a racist apartheid state,” said the Left Party's Hans Linde, calling for a boycott of Israel.
On the right, Carl Bildt, Sweden's foreign minister who visited Gaza last week, blamed Israel for intentionally targeting economic infrastructure and called Israeli policies "neither morally nor politically defensible". These remarks were part of a wider debate which included demonstrations, calls for boycotts and anti-Israel diplomacy.
[Link: www.thelocal.se...]
(I guess it's like any issue, you have people who can spin it one way or the other, and the truth is probably somewhere in between... or maybe not).
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SpaceJesus Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:25:43pm |
re: #197 Walter L. Newton
where does it say there that they hate jews?
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:25:54pm |
re: #177 SanFranciscoZionist
Sure, then I could answer everything that came up here "They're all corrupt. They're all corrupt. They're all corrupt."
Damn, I would feel smart!!
you'd be very close to correct...political junkies here don't want to believe their favorite subject is a corrupt, stinking, fetid....where was I?...cesspool of money grubbing, whoring, stealing and cheating...can you blame them?...it would be like revealing that Capt. Kangaroo was a ped all along
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webevintage Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:26:34pm |
I'm confused why the Speaker saying "draining the swamp" and then members being brought up on ethics charges in someway makes the Democrats corrupt.
Or Pelosi.
Instead it sounds like she is keeping her promise.
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brookly red Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:27:25pm |
re: #200 webevintage
I'm confused why the Speaker saying "draining the swamp" and then members being brought up on ethics charges in someway makes the Democrats corrupt.
Or Pelosi.
Instead it sounds like she is keeping her promise.
let's investigate her shall we?
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:27:37pm |
re: #199 albusteve
you'd be very close to correct...political junkies here don't want to believe their favorite subject is a corrupt, stinking, fetid...where was I?...cesspool of money grubbing, whoring, stealing and cheating...can you blame them?...it would be like revealing that Capt. Kangaroo was a ped all along
If Captain Kangaroo was a ped, wouldn't it have been called Romper Room?
/sorry
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:27:52pm |
re: #195 Rightwingconspirator
That is a long ways from her allegations.
Sure. And her allegations are probably out of order; there's a lot of conspiracy stories like that in the black community, prompted by very real stuff like our horrific experiments on blacks with syphilis, and many other such cases.
It's not coming out of nowhere. The CIA really did distribute cocaine, and the US government really has done horrific shit to blacks.
OJ was obviously guilty as hell, though.
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webevintage Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:28:05pm |
re: #183 brookly red
but they are all corrupt.
I just do not believe that....
And I can be pretty cynical.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:28:09pm |
re: #198 SpaceJesus
where does it say there that they hate jews?
And it's not just a question of words. Mr Linde and Ms Bjartén cannot claim their words have nothing to do with the eggs and bottles thrown at pro-Israel demonstrators in Malmö at the end of January. They are partly responsible for the attacks on Israel's embassy in Stockholm, the Jewish centre in Helsingborg and the Jewish cemetery in Malmö. An ugly wave of anti-Semitism is on the rise in Sweden and they cannot claim to be free of responsibility.
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allegro Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:28:12pm |
re: #200 webevintage
I'm confused why the Speaker saying "draining the swamp" and then members being brought up on ethics charges in someway makes the Democrats corrupt.
Because they're ALL...
corrupt, stinking, fetid...where was I?...cesspool of money grubbing, whoring, stealing and cheating..
Didn't ya know?//
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:28:16pm |
re: #200 webevintage
I'm confused why the Speaker saying "draining the swamp" and then members being brought up on ethics charges in someway makes the Democrats corrupt.
Or Pelosi.
Instead it sounds like she is keeping her promise.
The Rangel thing has been going on for about 3 years.
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webevintage Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:28:52pm |
re: #201 brookly red
let's investigate her shall we?
Go right ahead. If the group who does the investigations thinks there is something there then they should.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:29:05pm |
re: #177 SanFranciscoZionist
Sure, then I could answer everything that came up here "They're all corrupt. They're all corrupt. They're all corrupt."
Damn, I would feel smart!!
This is known as the Dunning-Kruger effect
re: #183 brookly red
but they are all corrupt.
Case in point.
"The world is governed more by appearances than realities, so that it is fully as necessary to seem to know something as to know it."
~Daniel Webster.
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webevintage Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:30:00pm |
re: #207 Cannadian Club Akbar
The Rangel thing has been going on for about 3 years.
Then a promise is being kept since she has been Speaker for a bit.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:30:03pm |
re: #190 Obdicut
Which is amazing, given how much of it you produce.
guess what?...you clog the blog with miles of your inane, childish arguments, hair splitting, teeth gnashing tripe yourself...some of the most stupid arguments I ever read here come from you...you are a smart guy, just not as bright as you think you are...big difference
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brookly red Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:30:25pm |
re: #208 webevintage
Go right ahead. If the group who does the investigations thinks there is something there then they should.
all of congress should be made to testify under oath before congress! yeah right...
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:30:29pm |
re: #200 webevintage
I'm confused why the Speaker saying "draining the swamp" and then members being brought up on ethics charges in someway makes the Democrats corrupt.
Or Pelosi.
Instead it sounds like she is keeping her promise.
That's a pretty good point. People seem more interested in debating if she's a racist or not.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:31:20pm |
re: #203 Obdicut
Yes they did. I saw that on Oliver Norths doc's.
It's just like Rand Paul and his allegations for the benefit of his "base". Boy, a better term was never coined. "Base" as in base instincts is correct in both cases.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:31:24pm |
re: #211 albusteve
That's swell, Steve. Sweden is still nowhere near the most anti-Semitic country in Europe.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:32:31pm |
re: #210 webevintage
Then a promise is being kept since she has been Speaker for a bit.
3 years? How hard is it to get tax records?
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Ojoe Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:32:47pm |
In their wisdom the founding fathers made the house of representatives completely dismissible every two years, and it is high time we took advantage of that.
And I now deposit more foul language in my cuss word warehouse.
It's full.
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:32:55pm |
re: #213 Killgore Trout
The charge of racism on her part may have far more quotable evidence than the bank allegations. Her own quotes indicate race baiting. Like the OJ thing. That is pretty clear cut racism.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:34:30pm |
re: #213 Killgore Trout
That's a pretty good point. People seem more interested in debating if she's a racist or not.
Of course they are. The old platform of God, Guns, and Gays is no good any more...now it's Racism, Religious Intolerance, and Repeal (anything passed since Jan 21, 2009)
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SpaceJesus Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:34:39pm |
re: #205 Walter L. Newton
uh yeah, actually they can. you have to show me explicit anti-semitic rhetoric from them in order to make that causal connection. their criticism of israel is political, it's not based on hate of jews.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:35:35pm |
re: #222 SpaceJesus
He's just laboring towards a 'Well, if we can't call them responsible, how can we call Beck or anyone else responsible for right-wing violence' kludge.
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webevintage Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:35:43pm |
re: #217 Cannadian Club Akbar
3 years? How hard is it to get tax records?
I have no idea.
What is the average length of investigations into ethics violations?
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:36:13pm |
re: #200 webevintage
I'm confused why the Speaker saying "draining the swamp" and then members being brought up on ethics charges in someway makes the Democrats corrupt.
Or Pelosi.
Instead it sounds like she is keeping her promise.
How dare she keep her promises after people assured me she wouldn't!
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:36:13pm |
re: #210 webevintage
Then a promise is being kept since she has been Speaker for a bit.
she's covering her own ass...she did Charlie enough favors
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brookly red Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:36:58pm |
re: #224 webevintage
I have no idea.
What is the average length of investigations into ethics violations?
Ds about 4 years... Rs about 4 weeks.
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Ojoe Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:37:14pm |
"America has no native criminal class except for Congress."
— Mark Twain.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:38:22pm |
re: #215 Obdicut
That's swell, Steve. Sweden is still nowhere near the most anti-Semitic country in Europe.
yeah swell enough...should I have said ONE of the most?, you are correct
good grief
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:38:41pm |
re: #230 albusteve
yeah swell enough...should I have said ONE of the most?, you are correct
good grief
No, it's also not one of the most. It's one of the least.
You have no clue what you're talking about.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:38:51pm |
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:39:12pm |
More evidence of Maxine Waters craziness
[Link: www.thetruthaboutcars.com...]
EXCERPT
In the House Financial Services Committee hearings on loans to the auto industry, Rep. Maxine Waters hectored the CEOs of Chrysler, Ford and GM. The California democrat attacked the execs on behalf of “small” independent auto dealers on “Main Street.” “Is there a commitment by any of you to give support to these small independent dealerships that include a lot of minority dealerships that are going to close down?”
Rep. Waters is upset that GMAC, Ford Credit and Chrysler Financial Services are calling in notes– as opposed to perpetually extending credit– to minority car dealers. In the interests of fairness, let’s keep in mind that this is the same Congresswoman who, in 2003, informed us, “We do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac, and in particular at Fannie Mae.” So no surprise that Waters’ tirade about the domestics’ dealer reduction and consolidation plans misses the entire purpose of exercise: reducing surplus dealers to survive.
Reading between the lines of Ford CEO Alan Mulally and GM CEO Rick Wagoner’s testimony in the hearings, both domestics [rightly] view their small town dealers as a strategic advantage. During his testimony, Mulally referred to Ford’s small town dealers: “We are woven into the fabric of every community that relies on our cars and trucks and the jobs our company supports.”
All of which means that Chrysler, Ford and GM are closing/losing proportionally more dealers in big cities than smaller cities and towns. Ford CEO Alan Mulally’s prepared remarks to Congress admitted as much, revealing that Ford has reduced dealers by a greater percentage in “large markets.”
There is no getting around the fact that the vast majority of minority-owned car dealers operate within large, urban markets. While there’s no reason to believe that minority-owned dealers are any less well-managed than other dealers, and many are indeed profitable, there’s also no reason to suggest that the domestics are targeting minority-owned dealers for closure. They’re simply in the wrong place at the wrong time.
To satisfy Rep. Waters’ desire to protect African-American dealers, to exempt them from the inevitable cull, Chrysler, Ford and GM would have to discriminate against both rural dealers and well-managed non-minority-owned urban dealers.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:39:41pm |
re: #224 webevintage
I have no idea.
What is the average length of investigations into ethics violations?
If you don't count the near complete absence of them between 2001 and 2009? Probably not so bad.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:39:59pm |
re: #230 albusteve
pretty sure it's harder to find an intolerant bigot of any stripe in sweden than it is to find one anywhere else.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:40:59pm |
re: #235 SpaceJesus
pretty sure it's harder to find an intolerant bigot of any stripe in sweden than it is to find one anywhere else.
Dude...stop harshing his xenophobic mellow.
/
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:41:02pm |
re: #235 SpaceJesus
pretty sure it's harder to find an intolerant bigot of any stripe in sweden than it is to find one anywhere else.
Denmark wins, I think.
[Link: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...]
They saved their Jews.
By sending them to Sweden.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:41:19pm |
re: #234 darthstar
If you don't count the near complete absence of them between 2001 and 2009? Probably not so bad.
Tell that to Mark Foley.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:41:54pm |
re: #198 SpaceJesus
where does it say there that they hate jews?
Jews are leaving Swedish city after a sharp rise in anti-Semitic hate crimes.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:42:29pm |
re: #238 Obdicut
yep. while america turned away the boats.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:43:39pm |
re: #239 Cannadian Club Akbar
Tell that to Mark Foley.
Getting the GOP to investigate him was like pulling teeth. How much media attention did that take again? He finally just resigned quietly, if memory serves.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:43:44pm |
re: #238 Obdicut
The danes and norwegians hate the swedes more than anyone else tho', dunno if that counts or not.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:44:08pm |
re: #231 Obdicut
No, it's also not one of the most. It's one of the least.
You have no clue what you're talking about.
I have a friend who goes back and forth...she, herself, is alarmed at the rise of anti Israel rhetoric...she lives in a town called Galve, and always talks a bit about when I see her...because it doesn't meet your standards, all I can say is, let it go
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SpaceJesus Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:44:20pm |
re: #240 Alouette
Jews are leaving Swedish city after a sharp rise in anti-Semitic hate crimes.
yeah, we've been over this one. a small group of immigrant hooligans target swedish jews with vandalism etc.
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brookly red Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:44:23pm |
OK, just spoke to my mom in assisted living up in NH...
she had stuffed mushrooms & creaser salad, crab cakes, saffron rice & asparagus, a glass of white wine and some ice cream & coffee...
if you don't have long term care insurance buy it before you hit 50 just saying.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:45:10pm |
re: #239 Cannadian Club Akbar
Tell that to Mark Foley.
And Cunningham and Ney had to get convicted to get rid of them - no ethics investigations. DeLay stuck around until he was indicted too, did he not?
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:46:03pm |
maxine waters lost my respect nearly 20 years ago and has never done a darn thing to regain it. remember how she reacted to the looting during the rodney king riots?
During the Los Angeles riots in the wake of the infamous 1992 Rodney King trial, Waters described the violence (in which 58 people were killed) as "a spontaneous reaction to a lot of injustice." She held "economic, social, cultural and political" factors responsible for the disorder. She dismissed the mass black looting of Korean-owned stores by saying: "There were mothers who took this as an opportunity to take some milk, to take some bread, to take some shoes…. They are not crooks."
i'm sure in her mind, she did nothing wrong or unethical ...
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allegro Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:46:12pm |
re: #247 darthstar
DeLay stuck around until he was indicted too, did he not?
I thought it was so he could do his gig on Dancing With the Stars./
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:47:11pm |
re: #246 brookly red
Good for her, as far as the food goes.
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:48:00pm |
re: #250 Cannadian Club Akbar
Good for her, as far as the food goes.
no Beef-O-Roni, did you notice?
whoa
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brookly red Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:48:28pm |
re: #250 Cannadian Club Akbar
Good for her, as far as the food goes.
at 85 food is important... I encourage all to buy insurance.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:48:42pm |
re: #247 darthstar
And Cunningham and Ney had to get convicted to get rid of them - no ethics investigations. DeLay stuck around until he was indicted too, did he not?
So, they weren't the most ethical congress ever? Kinda like now?
/
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:49:17pm |
re: #233 Rightwingconspirator
Ronnie Schreiber is a wingnut who writes for Pajamas Media which is also promoting the bogus Black Panthers outrage. PJM looks more like a white rights site these days.
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brookly red Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:49:23pm |
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windsagio Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:49:52pm |
OT: Dunno if you guys saw it, but didja see that the UN flotilla investigation is finally starting (Israel finally signed on).
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darthstar Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:50:00pm |
re: #253 Cannadian Club Akbar
So, they weren't the most ethical congress ever? Kinda like now?
/
The difference now is that the party in power is actually proceeding against its own members, rather than circling their wagons and doing nothing.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:50:07pm |
re: #240 Alouette
Jews are leaving Swedish city after a sharp rise in anti-Semitic hate crimes.
Malmö has been an Islamofascist enclave for over a decade now.
Half the city is unpoliced, because the police are afraid to go there.
Mr Reepalu [the mayor], who is blamed for lax policing, is at the centre of a growing controversy for saying that what the Jews perceive as naked anti-Semitism is in fact just a sad, but understandable consequence of Israeli policy in the Middle East.
Just rename the place "Little Ramalah" and cut it loose from the mainland, to drift around the world until it comes to rest offshore of Gaza, where the Israelis can deal with it.
Yes, Virginia, even though Pamz Geller is a bloodthirsty bitch, the problem of European Islamofascism is real.
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:50:13pm |
re: #252 brookly red
at 85 food is important... I encourage all to buy insurance.
I had a guy a month or 2 ago come in to eat. He could only eat oatmeal. 7:30, Friday night. Me making oatmeal.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:50:34pm |
re: #245 SpaceJesus
yeah, we've been over this one. a small group of immigrant hooligans target swedish jews with vandalism etc.
It is not a small group.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:50:57pm |
re: #255 brookly red
I used to love that stuff...
Spaghetti O's... cold, right out of the can, with plenty of grated Kraft Parmesan cheese... love it (can't eat it though, to fattening)
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King of the Douche, now you may bow Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:51:52pm |
re: #261 Walter L. Newton
Spaghetti O's... cold, right out of the can, with plenty of grated Kraft Parmesan cheese... love it (can't eat it though, to fattening)
Ravioli with Cheeto's. Crunchy ones.
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M. Dubious Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:52:07pm |
re: #197 Walter L. Newton
A little more...
'Anti-Semitism on the rise in Sweden'
Most Swedish political figures positioned themselves between strongly condemning Israel while mildly criticizing Hamas' actions on the one hand and totally supporting Hamas and its administration in Gaza on the other.
On the left many condemned Israel's military operation and the Jewish state in general. "I don’t think Israel is a democracy worthy of the name. It’s a racist apartheid state,” said the Left Party's Hans Linde, calling for a boycott of Israel.
On the right, Carl Bildt, Sweden's foreign minister who visited Gaza last week, blamed Israel for intentionally targeting economic infrastructure and called Israeli policies "neither morally nor politically defensible". These remarks were part of a wider debate which included demonstrations, calls for boycotts and anti-Israel diplomacy.
[Link: www.thelocal.se...]
(I guess it's like any issue, you have people who can spin it one way or the other, and the truth is probably somewhere in between... or maybe not).
Politically the Swedes have been, for lack of a better word, sceptical of Isreal for a very long time. The situation on the ground for Jews in parts of Sweden is, again lackin words, problematic.
I can vouche for some of the assesments of Malmø, having lived right by it for 3 years.
And mister Jesus, or Space: That immigrant population in Sweden is not so small. Look it up.
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brookly red Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:53:16pm |
re: #262 Cannadian Club Akbar
Ravioli with Cheeto's. Crunchy ones.
I am not sure if that is blasphemy or punk cool...
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windsagio Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:53:34pm |
Is any of it the good ol' crazy black-metal neo-aryan scene?
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M. Dubious Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:54:23pm |
re: #243 windsagio
The danes and norwegians hate the swedes more than anyone else tho', dunno if that counts or not.
No no. We hate them the way you might "hate" your older sibling while growing up.
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wrenchwench Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:55:02pm |
re: #254 Killgore Trout
Ronnie Schreiber is a wingnut who writes for Pajamas Media which is also promoting the bogus Black Panthers outrage. PJM looks more like a white rights site these days.
Also a former lizard:
ronnie schreiberThis user is blocked.
Karma: 25
Registered since: Jun 15, 2004 at 3:38 pmNo. of comments posted: 1,155
No. of links posted: 0
Recent comments
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SpaceJesus Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:56:10pm |
re: #258 Cato the Elder
It is not a small group.
150,000 muslims total in sweden. out of a country of like 9 million.
about 25k of them actually practice islam.
from that group, the ones you would call "islamofascists" is likely much smaller. probably a couple thousand at best. out of a country of 9 million.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:56:51pm |
re: #266 harald
No no. We hate them the way you might "hate" your older sibling while growing up.
Yeah. The half of me that isn't Jewish is Scandinavian, and while Danes, Swedes, and Norwegians make constant jokes about each other, it's all family.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:57:04pm |
re: #268 SpaceJesus
ps: Lol, 'islamofascists'.
This from someone who prides himself on the purity of his language.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:57:37pm |
re: #263 harald
yeah, and how many of those immigrants are muslim, and from that, how many of them are fanatical jew haters?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:58:57pm |
re: #268 SpaceJesus
150,000 muslims total in sweden. out of a country of like 9 million.
about 25k of them actually practice islam.
from that group, the ones you would call "islamofascists" is likely much smaller. probably a couple thousand at best. out of a country of 9 million.
In August 27, 2002, a figure of 200,000 was considered the appox. population...
A Muslim group in Denmark announced a few days ago that a $30,000 bounty would be paid for the murder of several prominent Danish Jews, a threat that garnered wide international notice. Less well known is that this is just one problem associated with Denmark's approximately 200,000 Muslim immigrants. The key issue is that many of them show little desire to fit into their adopted country.
(I'm not linking to the source, since I'm not sure if the source is on the "recommended" list anymore... but the figure is not made up).
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SpaceJesus Mon, Aug 2, 2010 3:59:00pm |
re: #271 windsagio
woops, german grammar took over there for a second. egal.
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M. Dubious Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:00:03pm |
re: #273 SpaceJesus
3,1 million are muslim, and 63,7% are fanatical Jew haters, 20% are just ordinary Jew haters and the rest haven`t been able to find their Koran since they arrived last Thursday.
Check your numbers.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:01:02pm |
re: #274 Walter L. Newton
denmark figure? i dont see the word sweden in there.
only been to denmark for a few days, coming from sweden. can't vouch for much of them over there, except that the weed in christiania is ok
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windsagio Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:01:59pm |
re: #276 harald
You're saying 1/3rd of Sweden's population is Muslim, and 22% of the total population are fanatical jew haters?
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:02:32pm |
re: #263 harald
Perhaps the Jews are skeptical of Sweden because many Swedes do not know how to spell "Israel".
On the other hand, I've I were a Jew, and physically recognizable as such, I'd rather stroll down the main streets of Gaza with my tfillin and yarmulke than stop on a tour of Sweden for an iced coffee in Malmö or Malmø or Malmo.
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M. Dubious Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:02:38pm |
re: #278 SpaceJesus
denmark figure? i dont see the word sweden in there.
only been to denmark for a few days, coming from sweden. can't vouch for much of them over there, except that the weed in christiania is ok
You were able to find weed in Christiana just like that? The police have been cracking down on it for a few years now.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:03:10pm |
re: #276 harald
are you saying sweden has 3.1 million muslims? about 1/3 of the population?
i think you need to check your numbers
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SpaceJesus Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:03:25pm |
re: #281 harald
You were able to find weed in Christiana just like that? The police have been cracking down on it for a few years now.
i was there in '99
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M. Dubious Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:04:37pm |
re: #282 SpaceJesus
Again, dude! The thing with arriving last thursday and not finding their korans didn`t give you a clue?
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windsagio Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:05:54pm |
re: #285 harald
Again, dude! The thing with arriving last thursday and not finding their korans didn`t give you a clue?
heh Didn't parse in my mind for some reason.
Should have konwn that was too effing crazy :P
Its hard to tell sometimes, I've seen people say stupider things on here with perfect seriousness!
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M. Dubious Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:06:05pm |
re: #280 Cato the Elder
Perhaps the Jews are skeptical of Sweden because many Swedes do not know how to spell "Israel".
On the other hand, I've I were a Jew, and physically recognizable as such, I'd rather stroll down the main streets of Gaza with my tfillin and yarmulke than stop on a tour of Sweden for an iced coffee in Malmö or Malmø or Malmo.
I`m not sure about that. But hey, as long as you don`t spell it Mølmo you`re ok.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:06:52pm |
re: #285 harald
shit, you got me. im multi-tasking between free republic, fox news and here reading about evil muslims. my sarcasm meter is broken for the rest of the day
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M. Dubious Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:07:47pm |
re: #288 SpaceJesus
Let it be known that I was the one to break you!
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_RememberTonyC Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:11:45pm |
re: #197 Walter L. Newton
A little more...
'Anti-Semitism on the rise in Sweden'
Most Swedish political figures positioned themselves between strongly condemning Israel while mildly criticizing Hamas' actions on the one hand and totally supporting Hamas and its administration in Gaza on the other.
On the left many condemned Israel's military operation and the Jewish state in general. "I don’t think Israel is a democracy worthy of the name. It’s a racist apartheid state,” said the Left Party's Hans Linde, calling for a boycott of Israel.
On the right, Carl Bildt, Sweden's foreign minister who visited Gaza last week, blamed Israel for intentionally targeting economic infrastructure and called Israeli policies "neither morally nor politically defensible". These remarks were part of a wider debate which included demonstrations, calls for boycotts and anti-Israel diplomacy.
[Link: www.thelocal.se...]
(I guess it's like any issue, you have people who can spin it one way or the other, and the truth is probably somewhere in between... or maybe not).
many critics of Israel say criticism of Israeli policy is not "anti semitism," but since the Swedish Jewish victims are NOT Israeli, it seems that swedish minister who says they were attacked because of Israeli policy is unwittingly admitting that in his country, it is.
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webevintage Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:16:02pm |
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albusteve Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:17:06pm |
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M. Dubious Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:22:00pm |
I`ve been desperatly trying to downding my own postings. Something`s broke. Who`s doing maintenance around here?
Anyway, feels like I`m spamming the thread, Ya`ll have a good night, ya hear?
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:23:30pm |
re: #268 SpaceJesus
150,000 muslims total in sweden. out of a country of like 9 million.
about 25k of them actually practice islam.
from that group, the ones you would call "islamofascists" is likely much smaller. probably a couple thousand at best. out of a country of 9 million.
There are, taking a wild guess here, perhaps 10,000 hardcore Christofascists in the US, out of a population of 300 million.
I am not comforted by your numerical prestidigitation, which is probably pulled right out of your ass, anyway.
When a group targeted by hatred begins moving out of your city, you have a problem.
And yes, Windfuckio, there is such a thing as Islamofascism.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:25:10pm |
re: #294 Cato the Elder
No, his numbers are pretty accurate, actually.
And yes, Malmo, one city in Sweden, has a big problem.
And your continued foaming bullying of Windsagio does nothing but make you look creepy as hell.
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MJ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:37:50pm |
Behind the Humanitarian Mask: The Nordic Countries, Israel, and the Jews. Edited by Manfred Gerstenfeld
Product Description
In the past decades many pioneering efforts to demonize Israel have come from elites of the Nordic countries. The motifs of this anti-Israelism are similar to those of classic anti-Semitism of which it is a new mutation. Such highly discriminatory prejudices are in particular expressed in Norway and Sweden by leading socialist and extreme¬ leftist politicians as well as journalists, clergy, and so-called humanitarians.
Behind the Nordic countries' appearance and oft-proclaimed concern for human rights lurk darker attitudes. This book deals mainly with lifting the humanitarian mask as far as Israel and Jews are concerned. This disguise hides many ugly characteristics such as false morality, a pretense of superiority, as well as profound humanitarian racism.The best-known Swedish statesman of the postwar period, Olof Palme was one of Europe's first prominent Holocaust inverters. He was at the origin of the permeation of anti-Israelism in segments of the Social Democrats, Sweden's classic government party.
In recent years major anti-Semitic incidents have taken place in Norway even though there are very few Jews there. The country is a European leader of anti-Semitic cartoons, sometimes similar to Nazi ones. Norway is one of the very few countries that forbids Jewish ritual slaughter. At the same time, it is one of only three countries in the world that permit the cruel killing of whales.
In this book, thirteen essays and interviews discuss various aspects of the attitudes of Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Finland, and Iceland toward Israel and the Jews.
The book is available for free download here:
[Link: www.jcpa.org...]
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:38:12pm |
re: #295 Obdicut
No, his numbers are pretty accurate, actually.
And yes, Malmo, one city in Sweden, has a big problem.
And your continued foaming bullying of Windsagio does nothing but make you look creepy as hell.
Sorry. I hate stupid people, whatever their coloration. And I think Windy's contributions here would be of a higher level if he would confine himself to emoticons.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:41:47pm |
re: #297 Cato the Elder
Whatever, dude. You also though I was someone who liked Derrida, rather than someone who likes Sokal. You are not all that good in your judgments of others on the interwebs.
And even if you do think that way: stop insulting him all the time. It's shitty, high school behavior, and it makes you look like a creepy bully.
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lawhawk Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:42:20pm |
Gee, what a surprise that the ethics panel handed down their recommendation to bring charges against Waters. That's not unexpected.
What would be unexpected is that they recommend anything more than a slap on the wrist. After all, if the Democrats on the House ethics panel was going to only reprimand Rangel (whose tax cheating ways and 13 ethics charges are far more serious and damning), then what are they going to say about Waters?
Reprimand is the lowest of three possible outcomes - other than a censure or expulsion.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:44:17pm |
re: #298 Obdicut
Whatever, dude. You also though I was someone who liked Derrida, rather than someone who likes Sokal. You are not all that good in your judgments of others on the interwebs.
And even if you do think that way: stop insulting him all the time. It's shitty, high school behavior, and it makes you look like a creepy bully.
Fuck you.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:45:35pm |
re: #300 Cato the Elder
Something tells me I'm not quite getting through to you.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:49:49pm |
re: #301 Obdicut
Something tells me I'm not quite getting through to you.
What part of "your opinion means nothing to me" do you not understand?
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:52:01pm |
re: #302 Cato the Elder
What part of "your opinion means nothing to me" do you not understand?
Heh.
A good example of a self-disproving phrase, really.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 2, 2010 4:55:56pm |
re: #303 Obdicut
Heh.
A good example of a self-disproving phrase, really.
When you see me up- or downding you again in this life, I will allow the truth of that statement. Not before.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 5:11:53pm |
re: #304 Cato the Elder
You also will probably do all you can to refuse to internally admit that you were wrong about me and my relationship with Derrida, too.
Doesn't mean it represents reality.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 2, 2010 5:23:59pm |
I have to say that Maxine Waters' getting charged has this Republican doing the Happy Dance. Waters is an incendiary person whose outbursts will come across terribly, and Republicans will be able to make her the poster girl for arrogant, out-of-touch Dem Corruption. She's the gift that keeps on giving.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 2, 2010 5:24:24pm |
re: #125 Obdicut
No, this is not true.
You mean 'income taxes', not taxes.
You are correct. I didn't qualify the statement. Of course they don't pay 60% of the gasoline taxes, they pay maybe 10%. They don't pay 60% of the social security taxes, if taxes they are rather than pension contributions. They pay maybe 15%. And they don't pay 60% of the tariffs, they pay maybe 30%. The same for sales taxes. And so on and so forth.
Federal income tax is the main tax. Social security "contributions" are partly taxes and partly equivalent to payments into a pension plan. Gasoline taxes are partly taxes but mostly a handy equivalent to making all roads toll roads---they are fees compensating the states for the expense of building and maintaining the roads.
And then there's lottery ticket sales. Lottery tickets are a tax that the states levy on gullibility. What has become of us, that so many of our states take for their motto the old maxim that a fool and his money are soon parted? The rich, apart from the vanishingly few who bought winning tickets in a lottery, do not pay this tax.
We were talking about federal income taxes, if you will recall. It hardly seemed necessary to repeat that before expanding on the point.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 2, 2010 5:28:35pm |
re: #305 Obdicut
You also will probably do all you can to refuse to internally admit that you were wrong about me and my relationship with Derrida, too.
Doesn't mean it represents reality.
LOL. You have a relationship with Derrida.
I talk to James Joyce every night in dreamspeak.
Bugger off.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 5:32:47pm |
re: #307 lostlakehiker
Saying that the rich pay X amount of taxes, when you actually only mean income taxes, is a well-trodden inaccuracy that I dislike every time it comes up. You can expect me to correct you any time you do it. It is worthwhile to remember that the poor pay tons of taxes, too-- and those are taxes out of very, very, very small amounts-- or none-- of discretionary income.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 5:36:01pm |
re: #308 Cato the Elder
Heh. On occasion, words have non-literal meanings, Cato. Amazing, that. You were wrong when you thought I espoused lit-crit or philosophical theories anywhere close to what Derrida did. You were the opposite of right, given that I found l'affaire Sokal deeply wonderful. Hopefully, you might learn something from having been so very wrong.
Continuing to bully Winsagio is childish. You can ignore that opinion of mine. It's not a solitary opinion.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 2, 2010 5:44:35pm |
oops, had to take a stupid boating test, and missed some stuff.
($40 for a boating education card is highway robbery!)
Cato, I thought we'd come to an agreement to not call each other fucking stupid or bigots anymore?
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SpaceJesus Mon, Aug 2, 2010 6:32:00pm |
re: #296 MJ
"as well as profound humanitarian racism."
humanitarian racism? lol wtf?
so i read the article, and this guy thinks that sweden is anti-israel, and that being anti-israel is automatically anti-jew. no explanation given there or logic to support it in this context.
here's the scoop:
sweden is a neutral country, in other words, it condemns fighting when fighting breaks out in the world. sweden has told both hamas and israel to knock it off. in doing so, sweden is showing its hatred of war, not jews. sweden boycotted hamas under the EU, so i guess under the author's logic, that means that israel hates muslims and arabs right? a member of the swedish nobel prize committee also resigned when arafat was given the nobel prize. guess that means sweden hates muslims. heck, sweden also flipped out on the US over the vietnam war, so i guess that means that sweden hates america and americans too right?
-- no. sweden does not denounce israel, hamas, the us, or any other country because it hates the people living there. it denounces those country's violent activities, and it does so because it is a neutral nation with a strong pacifist attitude. nothing more. sweden does not hate jews, it just hates what it sees as stupid violence from both sides.
they're hippies, not skins.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 2, 2010 7:14:04pm |
re: #312 SpaceJesus
They are fools. Israel only uses violence because it has no other way to protect itself. If Sweden cannot see that, then the fault lies with them. They should hammer the Islamists in Sweden itself, for Radical Islam allows for no neutrality.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 2, 2010 7:28:04pm |
re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah, that's what all the links I find on Swedish anti-Semitism seems to come back to...the reporting on Malmo.
Suggesting that Sweden is one of the most anti-Semitic countries in Europe, though, is BS of a high order.
I recall visiting Sweden and being told a drinking joke:
(to a song)
Here comes the freighter, da-tahda-da tah da;
and here comes the U-boot;
(glug-glug-glug)
[everybody takes a swig]
I drew my conclusions, and going by that incident and the tone with which the joke was received, I'm quite able to believe that Sweden ranks toward the top in anti-semitic mindset among European nations.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 7:30:14pm |
re: #314 lostlakehiker
That's asinine reasoning. Truly asinine.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 2, 2010 7:30:23pm |
re: #314 lostlakehiker
I recall visiting Sweden and being told a drinking joke:
(to a song)
Here comes the freighter, da-tahda-da tah da;
and here comes the U-boot;
(glug-glug-glug)
[everybody takes a swig]
I drew my conclusions, and going by that incident and the tone with which the joke was received, I'm quite able to believe that Sweden ranks toward the top in anti-semitic mindset among European nations.
Given the other incidents we're reading about, I'd say that's right. And Sweden did supply Germany with much of its iron ore during the World Wars. They weren't really neutral, and those Swedes that fought in WWII mostly did so as part of the Waffen SS.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 7:32:31pm |
re: #313 Dark_Falcon
Sweden has issues, especially in trying to be over-neutral. They're dealing with radical Islam in Sweden now, and it's trying their humanitarian virtues.
That's no reason to give SpaceJesus a downding for accurately representing what's up with Sweden and Israel.
I think Sweden is wrong on Israel. Sweden has still been a much better home for Jews than most other countries in Europe.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 7:33:54pm |
re: #316 Dark_Falcon
Some random overheard bar story isn't proof of jack shit, Dark.
I lived there for six months and never experienced the slightest hint of antisemitism. Some Swedes did tell me they were ashamed of the neo-nazi upswing in Sweden and went to lengths to tell me they thought those people were scum.
A lot of people are displaying foolish, black and white thinking on Sweden in this thread. It's depressing.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 2, 2010 7:36:10pm |
re: #309 Obdicut
Saying that the rich pay X amount of taxes, when you actually only mean income taxes, is a well-trodden inaccuracy that I dislike every time it comes up. You can expect me to correct you any time you do it. It is worthwhile to remember that the poor pay tons of taxes, too-- and those are taxes out of very, very, very small amounts-- or none-- of discretionary income.
Give it a rest. In the first place, of course I was talking about income tax, as must have been clear from context. In the second place, federal income tax is the primary tax the federal government collects; the other federal taxes are either minor or they are in considerable measure either fees for service or contributions to pension plans rather than flat-out taxes. And in the third place, it's not like I'm a fan of taxing the poor. I detest the lottery tax and if states insist upon levying sales taxes I'd rather they exempt groceries and basic clothing.
Corporate income tax is a riddle. Many liberals think these are great because corporations are rich. A few who see deeper are wary of them because in the end, corporate income taxes come out of dividends or show up in higher prices, and either way, that can fall as heavily percentage-wise on the working stiff's pocketbook as on the rich.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 2, 2010 7:39:11pm |
re: #317 Obdicut
Sweden has issues, especially in trying to be over-neutral. They're dealing with radical Islam in Sweden now, and it's trying their humanitarian virtues.
That's no reason to give SpaceJesus a downding for accurately representing what's up with Sweden and Israel.
I think Sweden is wrong on Israel. Sweden has still been a much better home for Jews than most other countries in Europe.
He stated the views of Sweden, but did not condemn them for the dangerous foolishness they are. And Sweden is not, repeat not a good home for Jews. They are allowing Radical Islamists to attack Jews effectively at will and are actually making excuses for them. By such actions they have forfeited any claim to humanitarianism they ever had, in my eyes. By tolerating the utterly intolerant, they are making life intolerable for the tolerant.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 7:44:28pm |
re: #319 lostlakehiker
Give it a rest. In the first place, of course I was talking about income tax, as must have been clear from context.
Nope. I'm not going to give it a rest.
In the second place, federal income tax is the primary tax the federal government collects; the other federal taxes are either minor or they are in considerable measure either fees for service or contributions to pension plans rather than flat-out taxes.
Payroll tax is nearly as large as income tax so no, that's not true.
A few who see deeper are wary of them because in the end, corporate income taxes come out of dividends or show up in higher prices, and either way, that can fall as heavily percentage-wise on the working stiff's pocketbook as on the rich.
This represents a common misconception about how goods and services are priced. Companies do not decide the price of a product by taking what it costs and adding X; it's what the market will bear. Furthermore, most working stiff's do not collect any dividends at all.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 7:45:03pm |
re: #320 Dark_Falcon
And Sweden is not, repeat not a good home for Jews.
As a Jew, it's really annoying to hear crap like that.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 2, 2010 7:49:02pm |
re: #209 goddamnedfrank
That's the beauty of USCF ratings, bridge master points, Go ratings in kyu and dan, SAT scores and so on. You actually know where you stand, if you have the stomach to accept the verdict. If you're good at some of that, and not as good at other parts of it, you can't preen on part of it while rejecting the rest unless you want to take a lot of flak from the be-honest-with-yourself module of your brain.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 2, 2010 7:51:22pm |
re: #322 Obdicut
As a Jew, it's really annoying to hear crap like that.
Hey, I call 'em as I see 'em. And I see Sweden as clearly having turned against Jewish people. If they do not change course, then they face a grim future.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 7:56:11pm |
re: #324 Dark_Falcon
Hey, I call 'em as I see 'em. And I see Sweden as clearly having turned against Jewish people. If they do not change course, then they face a grim future.
You really don't know what you're talking about, though. Malmo is not Stockholm.
This is so fucking aggravating I can't even express it. You're saying things that aren't true-- that "They are allowing Radical Islamists to attack Jews effectively at will and are actually making excuses for them", prompted by one town, and you're using that to smear the entirety of Sweden.
It sucks. Might as well condemn the US as a bad place for Jews because of Beck's rantings and the shooter at the holocaust museum.
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lostlakehiker Mon, Aug 2, 2010 8:04:45pm |
re: #321 Obdicut
re: #319 lostlakehiker
[me] Give it a rest. In the first place, of course I was talking about income tax, as must have been clear from context.
[you] Nope. I'm not going to give it a rest.
[me] In the second place, federal income tax is the primary tax the federal government collects; the other federal taxes are either minor or they are in considerable measure either fees for service or contributions to pension plans rather than flat-out taxes.
[you]Payroll tax is nearly as large as income tax so no, that's not true.
[new me] Yes it is, because while payroll tax is a major bite, once social security benefits are factored in on the other end, the poor do not wind up having been nicked badly if at all. The social security tax has to be seen as one side of a coin that has two sides. Federal income tax, by contrast, has only one side; paying more FIT does not entitle anyone to any extra benefit down the road.
[me] A few who see deeper are wary of them because in the end, corporate income taxes come out of dividends or show up in higher prices, and either way, that can fall as heavily percentage-wise on the working stiff's pocketbook as on the rich.
[you] This represents a common misconception about how goods and services are priced. Companies do not decide the price of a product by taking what it costs and adding X; it's what the market will bear. Furthermore, most working stiff's do not collect any dividends at all.
[new me] When the cost of providing a good or service rises [as it does when a tax is levied on the corporation that provides this good or service], the supply curve moves down, and the price at which the supply curve and demand curve meets, which will be the market price, goes up [moves right]. The supplier takes part of the hit, yes, but the consumer also shares the pain. wikipedia's introduction to supply and demand curves...
As to working stiffs and dividends, where do you think pension funds place their bets? To a very large extent, in corporate stocks and bonds. When these fare badly, so does the pension fund, and that cuts into pensions. Taxes on corporations thus fall, in part, on the working stiff, as you will see if you care to work your way through this explanation.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 2, 2010 8:09:07pm |
re: #325 Obdicut
You really don't know what you're talking about, though. Malmo is not Stockholm.
This is so fucking aggravating I can't even express it. You're saying things that aren't true-- that "They are allowing Radical Islamists to attack Jews effectively at will and are actually making excuses for them", prompted by one town, and you're using that to smear the entirety of Sweden.
It sucks. Might as well condemn the US as a bad place for Jews because of Beck's rantings and the shooter at the holocaust museum.
I hope you're right, Obi. That having been said, Malmo does need a reform. Allowing hate-based attacks like that is a serious 'broken window'; If it is not fixed, then more and worse crimes will results.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 8:09:50pm |
re: #326 lostlakehiker
Yes it is, because while payroll tax is a major bite, once social security benefits are factored in on the other end, the poor do not wind up having been nicked badly if at all
Of course they do. Just because social security actually pays for something doesn't mean it's not being taken out. Factor the fact that social security taxes are capped, and obviously the poor are being nicked.
Federal income tax, by contrast, has only one side; paying more FIT does not entitle anyone to any extra benefit down the road.
A good point-- people who are chronically underemployed can't count on social security, either.
When the cost of providing a good or service rises [as it does when a tax is levied on the corporation that provides this good or service], the supply curve moves down,
Nope. It depends on the elasticities involved, of market and producer.
As to working stiffs and dividends, where do you think pension funds place their bets?
I don't know any working stiffs who have a pension. Pensions are a rarity these days.
Taxes on corporations thus fall, in part, on the working stiff, as you will see if you care to work your way through this explanation.
You are not presenting a new argument, you know. I've seen all this before.
Many times.
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Obdicut Mon, Aug 2, 2010 8:10:16pm |
re: #327 Dark_Falcon
I hope you're right, Obi. That having been said, Malmo does need a reform. Allowing hate-based attacks like that is a serious 'broken window'; If it is not fixed, then more and worse crimes will results.
I agree with that. That confines the problem to Malmo rather than smearing all of Sweden with one broad flourish.
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MJ Mon, Aug 2, 2010 8:17:19pm |
Obi, are you familiar with this blog?
[Link: swedenisrael.blogspot.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 2, 2010 8:43:31pm |
re: #330 MJ
Obi, are you familiar with this blog?
[Link: swedenisrael.blogspot.com...]
Having read that blog, I can say that outside Malmo things appear to be far less nasty for Jews in Sweden. But there are still serious problems (though they can be solved). And I also think Malo's mayor, Ilmar Reepalu, is a classic "I didn't know" anti-Semite. He himself wouldn't engage in a pogrom, but he'd look the other way and then pretend to not have known what was going to happen.
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