After it was pointed out that Glenn Beck had marked a Twitter post by a raving white supremacist as a “favorite,” Beck (or someone who runs his Twitter account) simply deleted all his favorite posts. They’re all gone now.
But here’s the screenshot:
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Kragar Wed, Aug 4, 2010 9:52:34am |
Some PR guy is frantically trying to cover this up.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 4, 2010 9:55:58am |
Man, we really are getting an influx of ranting bigots at LGF recently. We seem to have been targeted for trolling by the anti-Muslim loons.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 4, 2010 9:56:57am |
re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Some PR guy is frantically trying to cover this up.
Yeah, it was deleted late last night. I doubt he’ll ever mention it or offer an explanation. It’s not like his fans will really care but he’ll seep this under the rug.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Aug 4, 2010 9:57:58am |
well he was dressed in a nazi-like uniform on the cover of one of his books…go figure.
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calochortus Wed, Aug 4, 2010 9:58:13am |
So, after a few days far out of internet range its nice to come back and find out the world is as just as full of teh crazy as it was last week…
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darthstar Wed, Aug 4, 2010 9:58:48am |
Glenn Beck’s biggest fear is that some day he will come face to face with one of his “fans,” and nobody will be there to protect him.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 4, 2010 9:59:13am |
re: #4 Dreggas
well he was dressed in a nazi-like uniform on the cover of one of his books…go figure.
Never figured Glenn for a cosplay fan.
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calochortus Wed, Aug 4, 2010 9:59:21am |
re: #3 Killgore Trout
It’s not like his fans will really care but he’ll seep this under the rug.
And I think “seep” might be the right word here. Unless ooze would work better.
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wrenchwench Wed, Aug 4, 2010 9:59:48am |
re: #2 Charles
Man, we really are getting an influx of ranting bigots at LGF recently. We seem to have been targeted for trolling by the anti-Muslim loons.
The NYC mosque flames are being fanned all over. WSJ had an anti “Ground Zero Mosque” editorial yesterday. It’s finally the issue the bigots feel is fair game to “push back” on.
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garhighway Wed, Aug 4, 2010 9:59:49am |
re: #8 calochortus
And I think “seep” might be the right word here. Unless ooze would work better.
Slither.
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:00:45am |
re: #9 wrenchwench
The NYC mosque flames are being fanned all over. WSJ had an anti “Ground Zero Mosque” editorial yesterday. It’s finally the issue the bigots feel is fair game to “push back” on.
Of course. They get to tug on the 9/11 strings. It’s the best opportunity they could hope for.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:00:48am |
Glenn Beck fans not only don’t care about this, a lot of them approve.
Someone tweeted this in response to my post:
@Lizardoid Glenn Beck Deletes All Twitter Favorites to Hide White Nationalist / shouldn’t u be more concerned O has deleted prev life? #tcot
A Nirther in the wild!
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Locker Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:02:03am |
Glen didn’t mark that as a favorite.. it was his hairdresser’s cousin’s garbage man’s dog who did it. Poor Glen is just being shmeeeeared again… oh the humanity!
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:03:26am |
re: #13 Locker
Glen didn’t mark that as a favorite.. it was his hairdresser’s cousin’s garbage man’s dog who did it. Poor Glen is just being shmeeeared again… oh the humanity!
Well it’s not as if Glenn would stoop to those tactics…
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Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:03:56am |
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Kragar Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:04:29am |
re: #12 Charles
Glenn Beck fans not only don’t care about this, a lot of them approve.
Someone tweeted this in response to my post:
A Nirther in the wild!
Crikey. Don’t startle it. They spook easy.
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:05:53am |
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webevintage Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:06:25am |
re: #12 Charles
Someone tweeted this in response to my post:
@Lizardoid Glenn Beck Deletes All Twitter Favorites to Hide White Nationalist / shouldn’t u be more concerned O has deleted prev life? #tcot
Wth?
What “previous” life?
The one where he was a kid growing up or the one in which he was Saladin?
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Kragar Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:08:47am |
re: #18 webevintage
Wth?
What “previous” life?
The one where he was a kid growing up or the one in which he was Saladin?
The one where he was a Muslim Kenyan Prince until he used his vast fortune to create an entire false history for himself allowing him to become President and force us all to become Muslims thru executive decree.
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Locker Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:09:07am |
re: #15 Charles
The bigots are completely running amok.
I just don’t get how these right wing Christian idiots can say that and not see how it applies directly to them. Reminds me of the bucket heads protesting “Muslim day” at Six Flags.
These tank treads would literally have a conniption if there was a national effort to stop the Armadillo Southern Baptist Church from having it’s annual turkey shoot and gay bash. Can you imagine the right wing talking heads exploding if Christianity was called an ideology hiding behind the skirt of Religion which isn’t worthy of Constitutional protection.
The stupid! It burns!
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Kragar Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:09:28am |
And if you need a sarc tag for that, you can fuck right off.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:11:01am |
re: #18 webevintage
Wth?
What “previous” life?
The one where he was a kid growing up or the one in which he was Saladin?
Well, 41% of republicans believe Obama was “probably” or “definitely” not born in the US.
So, that’s a pretty large audience for this kind of crazy.
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Gus Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:11:49am |
re: #22 Fozzie Bear
Well, 41% of republicans believe Obama was “probably” or “definitely” not born in the US.
So, that’s a pretty large audience for this kind of crazy.
Yes indeed.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:14:17am |
re: #22 Fozzie Bear
Well, 41% of republicans believe Obama was “probably” or “definitely” not born in the US.
So, that’s a pretty large audience for this kind of crazy.
Roughly the same percentage as those who think the Earth was made 5000 years ago by someone who looks like Charleston Heston with a beard and sounds like Morgan Freeman.
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jc717 Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:14:26am |
OT:
And now for something completely different…
Trying to pip up some support.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
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jc717 Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:15:20am |
re: #27 jc717
That should have been ‘pimp up some support’. Is there an edit feature? ;)
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:16:29am |
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webevintage Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:16:30am |
re: #24 Amory Blaine
Rachel Maddow points out more Republican hypocrisy.
They have no shame.
Here is the story of the day for me:
CO Tea Party candidate: Bike-sharing is a ‘well-disguised’ effort to turn Denver into a ‘United Nations community.’
[Link: thinkprogress.org…]
Who knew how dangerous to American Exceptionalisim bike sharing could be. Thank God for the Tea Party.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:16:54am |
And the end of the Bloomberg thread from yesterday has been pretty much taken over by bigots. I’m seriously considering banning anyone who rants against the Park51 project. I’ve had it with this prejudiced garbage.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:17:54am |
You would lose about a dozen long time posters.
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RadicalModerate Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:23:24am |
The most disheartening part of all this to me is that the vocal lunatic fringe who are the loudest and most off-the-wall are getting traction in mainstream discussion, and are getting otherwise reasonable people to listen, and in too many cases agree with them. A recent conversation with a friend actually had him asking why someone didn’t demolish the Park51 building, to prevent occupancy. Absolutely crazy talk. The poisoning of the well these individuals are engaging in is working much too effectively for my tastes.
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:23:31am |
re: #32 Fozzie Bear
You would lose about a dozen long time posters.
I am actually kind of impressed with some of the long-timers who were originally against it but have come around. Kudos to you guys. You know who you are.
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DaddyG Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:23:44am |
I was impressed by Boomburgs comments. They were spot on.
I have serious doubts that Beck was aware he was favoriting a white nationalist site. I’m guessing it was more along the lines of agreeing with some commentary someone made or linking to a site a number of his fans linked.
How do the twitter favorites work?
…anyway- good for him on delinking the favorites if they were causing trouble. I don’t see much difference between that and Charles deleting coments or closing threads where trouble makers are posting.
The social media thing is hard to control as you well know.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:24:37am |
re: #30 webevintage
And there you have it. The tamest progressive idea imaginable, bike sharing, is a fucking communist plot.
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DaddyG Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:24:41am |
Boomburg = Bloomberg
Gee whiz my fingers can be stupid!
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sattv4u2 Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:24:49am |
re: #32 Fozzie Bear
You would lose about a dozen long time posters.
What ‘long time posters” were “ranting” ?
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calochortus Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:25:44am |
re: #36 Fozzie Bear
And there you have it. The tamest progressive idea imaginable, bike sharing, is a fucking communist plot.
Its a slippery slope, doncha know?
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:25:49am |
re: #35 DaddyG
How do the twitter favorites work?
…anyway- good for him on delinking the favorites if they were causing trouble. I don’t see much difference between that and Charles deleting coments or closing threads where trouble makers are posting.
The social media thing is hard to control as you well know.
Well, Beck (or whoever handles twitter for him) would have had to have made that tweet a favorite, so it’s not the same as a blog comment.
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Amory Blaine Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:25:54am |
re: #36 Fozzie Bear
And there you have it. The tamest progressive idea imaginable, bike sharing, is a fucking communist plot.
I KNEW IT!!!!!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:26:57am |
re: #31 Charles
Heard an interesting call on “The John Gibson” show regarding Park 51. A Muslim called in and said, “What do American Muslims have to do with 911.”
Thought it was a good question.
Well, they lost some people on 911. That’s one thing they have to do with 911.
American Muslims weren’t on the planes.
Oh, and, Thanks JasonA.
Pretty proud of me on this one too.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:27:01am |
re: #38 sattv4u2
What ‘long time posters” were “ranting” ?
Do you honestly want a war in this thread? I don’t. I’d be just as happy if they changed their minds over time.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:27:37am |
Border incident only a sign of larger problems in Lebanon
What is clear, however, is that in a matter of weeks Lebanon is set to face what some local analysts are predicting will be the beginnings of another Lebanese civil war and which others are predicting will be the largest political crisis since the country’s former leader was assassinated five years ago.
Either way, they agree, something smelly is about to hit the fan.
On February 14, 2005, Lebanon’s former Prime Minister Rafiq Al-Hariri and 22 others were killed by a massive 1000 kilogram TNT explosion on the Beirut seafront.
The assassination was followed by an extensive international outcry and led to massive political change in Lebanon, culminating in the withdrawal of Syrian troops after 29 years in the country.
The late Al-Hariri opposed the Syrian presence in Lebanon and supported the disarming of Hizbullah, a Lebanese Shia militia more powerful than the Lebanese army. The Al-Hariri murder has been widely blamed on elements from Hizbullah and/or Syrian intelligence.
The UN Special Tribunal for Lebanon, based in The Hague, has been investigating the assassination for years and has yet to issue any indictments. But Hizbullah’s leader, Sheikh Sayyid Hasan Na’srallah, announced last month that the tribunal was set to indict Hizbullah members in the assassination.
The Shia militia’s powerful political wing currently sits on a governing coalition along with the U.S.-backed, Sunni-led Future Movement headed by Sa’ad Al-Hariri, son of the slain Lebanese Prime Minister Rafiq Al-Hariri.
Lebanese analysts say the possibility of the prime minister’s governing partners being accused by an international court of assassinating his father, the country’s former leader, has created a state of a political instability and bedlam.
“I think what happened yesterday at the border is a reflection of the situation in the region,” Fadi Abi Allam, President of the Beirut-based Permanent Peace Movement told The Media Line. “We are in a state of war - both within Lebanon and outside - and everyone trying to protect themselves, so there is a real escalation of tensions.”
“The issue is not just Palestine, we are in a state of war here in Lebanon itself,” Allam continued. “The Al-Hariri assassination is a big issue. To date, there is no solution from the international community and everybody is waiting to see what will happen and how this will affect internal politics and the situation in Israel.”
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:27:57am |
re: #43 Fozzie Bear
My knee jerked pretty hard in the beginning.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:28:10am |
re: #35 DaddyG
I was impressed by Boomburgs comments. They were spot on.
I have serious doubts that Beck was aware he was favoriting a white nationalist site. I’m guessing it was more along the lines of agreeing with some commentary someone made or linking to a site a number of his fans linked.
How do the twitter favorites work?
…anyway- good for him on delinking the favorites if they were causing trouble. I don’t see much difference between that and Charles deleting coments or closing threads where trouble makers are posting.
The social media thing is hard to control as you well know.
You have to click a star on the Twitter post, and that button is nowhere near any other button. It’s extremely unlikely that it was clicked by accident — and not only that, it was on his favorites list for more than a month.
It may not have been Beck who did this, but it’s HIS account. And there’s absolutely no way you could look at that post and not realize it was by a white supremacist.
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DaddyG Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:28:42am |
re: #40 Fozzie Bear
Well, Beck (or whoever handles twitter for him) would have had to have made that tweet a favorite, so it’s not the same as a blog comment.
OK - was the tweet favoritied because the comment was liked or do you favorite organizations who tweet to your account?
That makes a huge difference for me. I could find a great quote on self reliance and say I liked it then later find out it was from Mein Kampf without realizing the source. That wouldn’t make me a fan of Hitlers rantings.
I’m not defending Beck’s lack of judgement or institutional control in this case. I’m just curious as to how big a connection can really be made from this one incident?
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Winny Spencer Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:28:58am |
OT: Today is the president’s birthday and the nirthers are out in full force:
Rush yesterday:
“Tomorrow is Obama’s birthday. Not that we’ve seen any proof of that, but tomorrow is Obama’s birthday.”
[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com…]
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:29:10am |
re: #45 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My knee jerked pretty hard in the beginning.
It happens. My knee has jerked a few times on other issues. Glad it unjerked.
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RadicalModerate Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:29:25am |
re: #36 Fozzie Bear
And there you have it. The tamest progressive idea imaginable, bike sharing, is a fucking communist plot.
Sort of like the John Birch Society’s railings against fluoridation of drinking water as being part of a communist mind control plot?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:29:34am |
re: #48 Winny Spencer
Leno or Letterman will make a joke like that.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:29:37am |
re: #47 DaddyG
OK - was the tweet favoritied because the comment was liked or do you favorite organizations who tweet to your account?
That makes a huge difference for me. I could find a great quote on self reliance and say I liked it then later find out it was from Mein Kampf without realizing the source. That wouldn’t make me a fan of Hitlers rantings.
I’m not defending Beck’s lack of judgement or institutional control in this case. I’m just curious as to how big a connection can really be made from this one incident?
Look at the post! “WHITE PRIDE” in big capital letters.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:30:13am |
re: #32 Fozzie Bear
You would lose about a dozen long time posters.
I think it would be helpful to realize that most of the long time posters you are referring to are actually quite pro first amendment. While there are still some folks here who are pretty much to the right, there are almost no old timers who have drunk the tea.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:30:14am |
re: #43 Fozzie Bear
Do you honestly want a war in this thread? I don’t. I’d be just as happy if they changed their minds over time.
An honest question to your claim is a “war”?
wow
nevermind then!
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:30:37am |
re: #47 DaddyG
It would be like clicking “LIKE” on facebook on a Hitler tribute page. Not cool. Not cool at all.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:31:18am |
re: #52 Charles
Look at the post! “WHITE PRIDE” in big capital letters.
That could mean any number of things. Perhaps its a laundry service with a great bleaching service.
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DaddyG Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:31:24am |
re: #52 Charles
Look at the post! “WHITE PRIDE” in big capital letters.
I responded before I saw your last post. Thanks for the clarification.
No doubt that it is a pretty bad message to be sending. We’re exploring social media as a communication tool for state government and its stuff like this that gives us the hives just thinking about it.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:31:47am |
re: #54 sattv4u2
An honest question to your claim is a “war”?
wow
nevermind then!
No dude. I’m not going to call out the bigots by name, when they haven’t said anything, because that would rapidly destroy this thread.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:32:46am |
re: #31 Charles
And the end of the Bloomberg thread from yesterday has been pretty much taken over by bigots. I’m seriously considering banning anyone who rants against the Park51 project. I’ve had it with this prejudiced garbage.
I detest such fools too - quite obviously. However, I have always been of the opinion that it is better to let them post for a bit - if they are not too far over the line - so that we can point out how wrong they are in a dozen different ways.
Then when they flame out in an impotent rage, ban them :)
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:32:49am |
re: #47 DaddyG
OK - was the tweet favoritied because the comment was liked or do you favorite organizations who tweet to your account?
That makes a huge difference for me. I could find a great quote on self reliance and say I liked it then later find out it was from Mein Kampf without realizing the source. That wouldn’t make me a fan of Hitlers rantings.
I’m not defending Beck’s lack of judgement or institutional control in this case. I’m just curious as to how big a connection can really be made from this one incident?
The individual tweet, reading exactly as it appears in Charles’ post, was “favorited”.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:33:10am |
Oh boy, they’re going to announce the Prop 8 decision later today. Expect fireworks either way it comes down.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:33:54am |
re: #56 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
That could mean any number of things. Perhaps its a laundry service with a great bleaching service.
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Or he takes really good care of his teeth!
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:34:55am |
Clearly, it’s a compliment to his cleaning lady on how well she scrubs his porcelain tub.
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webevintage Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:35:48am |
re: #36 Fozzie Bear
And there you have it. The tamest progressive idea imaginable, bike sharing, is a fucking communist plot.
Yeah.
We all know “UN Community” just is code for “OMG!!!!! Europe!!!! Socialists!!!!!!”….I am assuming that this ass is not doing too well in the polls.
I think only 50 people were at the rally where he said that.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:36:01am |
re: #61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Oh boy, they’re going to announce the Prop 8 decision later today. Expect fireworks either way it comes down.
Should be…interesting.
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brownbagj Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:36:15am |
So, what’s a little whit prejudice amongst friends on twitter?
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webevintage Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:37:45am |
re: #61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Oh boy, they’re going to announce the Prop 8 decision later today. Expect fireworks either way it comes down.
I read that the Prop 8 supporters have already filed whatever it is they file to hold off on allowing gays from getting married while they appeal the ruling that has not yet been handed down.
Is this normal or are they pretty sure they are going to loose?
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DaddyG Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:37:57am |
re: #61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Oh boy, they’re going to announce the Prop 8 decision later today. Expect fireworks either way it comes down.
I didn’t know the Supremes were performing today. This should be a classic concert.
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:38:03am |
re: #33 RadicalModerate
Demolish 47/51 Park Place? Umm.. that would be the opposite of landmarking the building. In fact, the whole point of trying to landmark the building was to prevent Rauf’s group from demolishing the building to prepare the site for new construction.
And opponents are now filing suit against the LPC to reargue the landmarking claiming that it was rejected because of political considerations. The reargument for landmarking is itself a political consideration because the building lacks architectural merit for landmarking.
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Locker Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:38:04am |
re: #61 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Oh boy, they’re going to announce the Prop 8 decision later today. Expect fireworks either way it comes down.
You should see all the news trucks surrounding the building here in Sacramento. It’s a circus… as expected.
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Gus Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:38:17am |
re: #64 webevintage
Yeah.
We all know “UN Community” just is code for “OMG!!! Europe!!! Socialists!!!”…I am assuming that this ass is not doing too well in the polls.
I think only 50 people were at the rally where he said that.
Hey, it’s cycling! It just like soccer and don’t they have the Tour de France in teh France?!?! It’s a European invention!
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RadicalModerate Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:38:44am |
re: #47 DaddyG
If you go to the (formerly) favorited guy’s Twitter page, he’s got a Stormfront logo, his bio description for his page is “White Nationalist News And Forum”.
He’s very proud of his racial bigotry.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:38:46am |
re: #68 DaddyG
I didn’t know the Supremes were performing today. This should be a classic concert.
State, not SCOTUS.
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:39:08am |
Remember how important this building was to us before someone wanted to put a mosque in it? Yeah, me neither…
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:39:28am |
So what exactly is “white culture” anyway? Is that that incredibly awkward feeling you get when in a room full of evangelists and somebody enters with a black friend? Is it something I should know about, as a white dude?
I feel left out.
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DaddyG Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:39:37am |
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:39:48am |
re: #50 RadicalModerate
It’s the precious bodily fluids. / Gen. Ripper
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:40:18am |
re: #67 webevintage
I read that the Prop 8 supporters have already filed whatever it is they file to hold off on allowing gays from getting married while they appeal the ruling that has not yet been handed down.
Is this normal or are they pretty sure they are going to loose?
Yeah, according to what the news is saying, they’re claiming that it’s to prevent any “harm” that may occur between the release of the ruling and appealing it to the 9th Circus…er, Circuit Court.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:40:30am |
re: #67 webevintage
I read that the Prop 8 supporters have already filed whatever it is they file to hold off on allowing gays from getting married while they appeal the ruling that has not yet been handed down.
Is this normal or are they pretty sure they are going to loose?
Both sides are prepared to celebrate the ruling and launch an immeadiate appeal.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:41:54am |
re: #74 JasonA
Remember how important this building was to us before someone wanted to put a mosque in it? Yeah, me neither…
Yep, before they wanted to build a community center that happened to contain a mosque, there was no push to make it a landmark, not push to preserve it, no push to do…well…anything with it. If Wall-Mart had proposed tearing it down and putting up a vertical store there, nobody would have so much as whimpered.
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DaddyG Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:41:55am |
re: #72 RadicalModerate
If you go to the (formerly) favorited guy’s Twitter page, he’s got a Stormfront logo, his bio description for his page is “White Nationalist News And Forum”.
He’s very proud of his racial bigotry.
I’ll just trust you on that and not click his link. Thanks!
As I said the whole social media as PR thing is a big issue with our state agencies right now. They are dipping their toes in. A moderated Facebook page seems a lot better than a Twitter account to me. But I’m not that familiar with Twitter so I don’t know how easily the message can be controlled there.
In the end it is all media - modern more speedy papyrus. The basic rules apply to “once having writ…”
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webevintage Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:42:27am |
re: #75 Fozzie Bear
So what exactly is “white culture” anyway?
I think it has a lot to do with mayo and potato salad and if you call a gerkin a gerkin or just a baby sweet pickle.
I get confused….
Old white lady, but I have no idea what “white” culture is.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:43:04am |
re: #82 webevintage
I think it has a lot to do with mayo and potato salad and if you call a gerkin a gerkin or just a baby sweet pickle.
I get confused…
Old white lady, but I have no idea what “white” culture is.
Leave It To Beaver
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:43:28am |
re: #67 webevintage
i followed the trial and read the blogs from those who were inside the court room, i doubt the court would uphold prop 8 based on the evidence and information presented by both sides. The pro side’s case was weak, real weak.
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webevintage Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:43:49am |
re: #83 albusteve
Leave It To Beaver
Oh, I get it.
The “white culture” that never really existed except on tv.
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RadicalModerate Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:44:02am |
Oh, by the way - the latest tweet from our white supremacist Beck-buddy?
RESIST ISLAM! No Mosque At Ground Zero!
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calochortus Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:44:08am |
re: #67 webevintage
I’m awaiting the Prop 8 results with somewhat bated breath. Unlike the idiots at NOM, I actually do support marriage. Possibly because I’ve been happily married for 30+ years and think its lovely when others can share in the joys…
The Prop 8 folks want to have an injunction against same sex marriage if the ruling doesn’t go their way because they don’t want to cause grief and upset for couples that might marry and then have their marriages invalidated. Isn’t that thoughtful of them? Really thoughtful/
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Gus Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:44:11am |
re: #85 webevintage
Oh, I get it.
The “white culture” that never really existed except on tv.
And in an elevator.
//Easy listening.
/
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Kragar Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:44:12am |
re: #80 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yep, before they wanted to build a community center that happened to contain a mosque, there was no push to make it a landmark, not push to preserve it, no push to do…well…anything with it. If Wall-Mart had proposed tearing it down and putting up a vertical store there, nobody would have so much as whimpered.
How much push to declare it a landmark do you think there would have been if they wanted to tear it down to build some glass and chrome mega-church in downtown New York?
/crickets
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:44:31am |
re: #80 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Yep, before they wanted to build a community center that happened to contain a mosque, there was no push to make it a landmark, not push to preserve it, no push to do…well…anything with it. If Wall-Mart had proposed tearing it down and putting up a vertical store there, nobody would have so much as whimpered.
Walmart, no. K-Mart? Maybe…
/
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ProBosniaLiberal Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:44:42am |
I know this is off-topic, but has anybody heard anything more about the incident in Iran involving Ahmadinejad? I haven’t heard much of anything since the initial report of an explosion (or something) and the State-Run media in Iran then saying it was a firecracker set off by someone in celebration of Ahmadinejad going to a city.
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DaddyG Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:44:56am |
re: #75 Fozzie Bear
So what exactly is “white culture” anyway? Is that that incredibly awkward feeling you get when in a room full of evangelists and somebody enters with a black friend? Is it something I should know about, as a white dude?
I feel left out.
Their traditional dance is the “side to side two step.” Their ethnic food is grilled cheese made with processed cheeze slices.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:45:00am |
re: #82 webevintage
I think it has a lot to do with mayo and potato salad and if you call a gerkin a gerkin or just a baby sweet pickle.
I get confused…
Old white lady, but I have no idea what “white” culture is.
Lutefisk
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Political Atheist Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:45:05am |
Does anyone want to define black culture, let alone white?
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:45:10am |
re: #80 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Well, actually given that this is NYC - someone would have complained.
I’m just going to get a kick out of the fact that next door is the Dakota Roadhouse.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:45:33am |
re: #82 webevintage
I think it has a lot to do with mayo and potato salad and if you call a gerkin a gerkin or just a baby sweet pickle.
I get confused…
Old white lady, but I have no idea what “white” culture is.
Seriously, that’s the part that confuses the hell out of me.
I mean, I understand the hate part. I loathe it, but I get it. But what do they do when they aren’t angry, because nobody can maintain a state of angry 24/7. It’s just too tiring.
What do they “celebrate” about being white? The beegees? Mayonnaise? Situational comedy of the 50’s? I can’t even picture it. I can picture the anger part. It’s the pride part that befuddles me.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:46:28am |
Doesn’t traditional white culture involve longships and pillaging?
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:47:17am |
re: #94 Rightwingconspirator
Does anyone want to define black culture, let alone white?
They’d better get it right on their first try. I don’t think they’ll be around for a second chance…
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:47:18am |
re: #97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Doesn’t traditional white culture involve longships and pillaging?
HAHAHAHAHA
I don’t think they reach quite that far back. Maybe they do. I dunno.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:47:46am |
re: #89 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
How much push to declare it a landmark do you think there would have been if they wanted to tear it down to build some glass and chrome mega-church in downtown New York?
/crickets
Oh, there might have been a little, but it would have been drowned out by the same idiots now opposing the community center instead arguing the exact opposite positions (“It’s not ‘on’ Ground Zero,” “It’s got things for the non-religious folks too,” “Hey may, first amendment and all that!”)
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DaddyG Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:48:09am |
re: #97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Doesn’t traditional white culture involve longships and pillaging?
Yes… and thank goodness for the vikings kidnapping their women or the English would be even uglier than they are now. //
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:48:36am |
re: #102 DaddyG
Yes… and thank goodness for the vikings kidnapping their women or the English would be even uglier than they are now. //
Not possible. /
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albusteve Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:48:49am |
re: #85 webevintage
Oh, I get it.
The “white culture” that never really existed except on tv.
it existed
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:49:13am |
re: #97 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Doesn’t traditional white culture involve longships and pillaging?
Remember now: “Rape before pillage, pillage before burn.” Tis essential.
/
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webevintage Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:49:34am |
re: #94 Rightwingconspirator
Does anyone want to define black culture, let alone white?
No, not really.
Because there is no white or black culture. There are Americans and then a diversity of culture based on region and ethnic differences.
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rwdflynavy Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:50:11am |
Regarding Park51:
Don’t you guys get it, Burlington Coat Factory!!!! If that isn’t a national icon I don’t know what is!!!11!!!
I feel like I’m in a London Fog over this!
//
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lawhawk Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:51:05am |
re: #91 ProLifeLiberal
Here’s the order of reports on the incident:
1) bomb thrown
2) firecracker thrown
3) a member of Ahmadinejad’s security detail injured
4) no incident occurred
5) incident occurred, but it was a firecracker
6) 10 year old threw firecracker in celebration of Ahmadinejad’s arrival
In sum, no one knows and the Iranians are spinning furiously.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:51:19am |
re: #94 Rightwingconspirator
Does anyone want to define black culture, let alone white?
Yes
Black culture,, acceptable,, cool,, hip ,,,
White Culture,, not so much!
:)
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DaddyG Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:51:29am |
Black Culture, White Culture, etc. are clumsy terms and they smell of hidden agenda to me.
There is a distinct American culture, North American Culture and Western Culture… it is not divided along racial lines as much as it is geographic lines.
Racial components of culture are present in many groups but when someone uses the term White Culture I suspect it has more to do with making racism sound legitimate.
Cultures are nested and hard to divide easily. One simple illustration is the popularity of Rap and Hip Hop among white and black popular music fans.
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albusteve Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:52:32am |
re: #106 webevintage
No, not really.
Because there is no white or black culture. There are Americans and then a diversity of culture based on region and ethnic differences.
certainly before integration, they were major distinctions between races, enough to be considered separate cultures
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Kragar Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:52:51am |
re: #105 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Remember now: “Rape before pillage, pillage before burn.” Tis essential.
/
That, and remember berserking is a serious responsibility;
SVEN’S FATHER I was a Berserk for King Harald Fairhair…
SVEN You went berserk…
SVEN’S FATHER I went berserk in every battle I ever fought for King Harald…
SVEN So did your father…
SVEN’S FATHER So did my father and his father before him.
SVEN But it’s a responsibility…
SVEN’S FATHER But it’s a responsibility being a Berserk.
SVEN I must only let the red rage…
SVEN’S FATHER You must only let the red rage take hold of you in the thick of battle.
SVEN (losing his temper) I KNOW! I’VE HEARD IT ALL I THOUSAND TIMES!
SVEN’S FATHER No no… you’ll never make a Berserk. If you let it out now you’ll have nothing left for battle…
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albusteve Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:56:18am |
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DaddyG Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:57:04am |
re: #111 albusteve
certainly before integration, they were major distinctions between races, enough to be considered separate cultures
Some cultural artifacts were separate. For example caribbian influence in Black American music - but that didn’t last long before some Jewish kid with a clarinet started sitting in on the brothers jam sessions.
Meanwhile the basic American cultural values of freedom, independence, opportunity… these were all expressed very clearly by blacks and whites despite the differences in how they were allowed to express them.
Take a Black American and a White American and dump them in Europre or Asia and they will see them both as very American.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:57:16am |
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:57:18am |
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calochortus Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:57:21am |
I think people get confused over the “pride” concept. People who have been told they are unacceptable or inferior (dark skin, sexual orientation, actually enjoying the music of Sibelius, whatever) by the dominant group, want to tell the world they aren’t ashamed of what and who they are. They use the word pride to express that. This gets other people’s underwear in a twist-“They’re proud? Why? Can I be proud too?”
It really isn’t a war, folks. If you are comfortable with yourself, you probably don’t feel the need to take pride in your culture.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:57:33am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:58:28am |
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webevintage Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:58:28am |
re: #111 albusteve
certainly before integration, they were major distinctions between races, enough to be considered separate cultures
But where they really different or just separate?
I grew up in a poor neighborhood in the 60’s/70’s and had black friends. I did not notice much of a difference between the way they lived and we lived.
Except their parents watched Soul Train which made my black friend’s parents way, way cooler then mine who listened to Herb Alpert and the Tijuana Brass.
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M. Dubious Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:58:40am |
re: #112 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Yeah, I still got my minions…
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Political Atheist Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:58:40am |
re: #106 webevintage
Is that the answer we get from proud African Americans or Latinos? Or just PC mavens & white people?
re: #109 sattv4u2
The dissonance of it all.
Now before I am misunderstood, I’d like to point out that America is so big that we do in fact have different cultures, and each deserves some recognition or celebration. Too bad all this racial tension makes that difficult at best and fighting words at worst. Damn shame really.
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webevintage Wed, Aug 4, 2010 10:59:29am |
re: #114 albusteve
gotta head to the hospital again…
thanks tho
Sorry to read of your troubles last night.
Hope all goes well….
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 4, 2010 11:01:01am |
re: #109 sattv4u2
Yes
Black culture,, acceptable,, cool,, hip ,,,
White Culture,, not so much!
:)
First Jive Dude: Hey, you know what they say: see a broad to get dat booty yak ‘em…
First Jive Dude, Second Jive Dude: …leg ‘er down a smack ‘em yak ‘em!
First Jive Dude: COL’ got to be! Y’know? Shiiiiit.
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DaddyG Wed, Aug 4, 2010 11:01:56am |
Americans (USA) of all stripes have more in common than we sometimes admit or even see. An outsider watching two Americans argue over which local style of BBQ is better (and grilling out isn’t BBQ Yankees) would have a hard time distinguishing the separate cultural influences that the insiders can distinguish.
Richard Pryors skits about going to the “motherland” on his African trip and discovering he was quintessentially American are very, very enlightening.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 4, 2010 11:03:21am |
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brownbagj Wed, Aug 4, 2010 11:05:36am |
re: #110 DaddyG
One simple illustration is the popularity of Rap and Hip Hop among white and black popular music fans.
This just shows poor taste.
Now Motown classics I can agree with.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Aug 4, 2010 11:06:45am |
I have a little plea for my fellow lizards (and it applies to myself as well).
It is hard to be a moderate.
Moderate does not mean “sees both sides” in a mealy mouthed sort of way. It does not mean trying to be acceptable to both sides or somewhere in the middle.
It means not subscribing to the dogmas of either the left or the right.
Anyone who reads most Lizards will find that most are pretty appalled by the lunacy of the wingnuts. We do have thread after thread about it - and since the wingnuts are on the war path politically these days there are many things to talk about and many polarizing wedges that come from the madness of their insane views.
Then there are the so called lefties. We used to call them moonbats here. They too, have there wedge issues and dogmas. For wingnuts, the wedge issues are religion, race, homosexuality, conspiracy theories and pandering to fear. For moonbats, the wedges are religion, race, conspiracy theories and pandering to fear.
They simply have different targets.
For the wingnuts, we have gone over and over how it is anti-science and fear that lily white America will be taken from lily white people.
For moonbats, the hot button is Israel.
Both fringes debate in the same way.
When their dogmas are challenged, they get a whiny persecution complex going. They make false equivalences and whine that you did it first… They make strawmen and shift goal posts. They do pretty much anything except adress those factual statements which challenge their narratives.
Consider these two statements:
Is it possible to criticize Obama without being called a racist?
Is it possible to criticize Israel without being called a racist?
The answer is yes to both - if your critiques are based in facts rather than loathing. This is also a very good way to avoid answering whatever factual challenge was posted. After all, rather than making a counter point, on can take the easier route of getting self righteous and projecting false victimization.
Consider some more:
wingnut,
On AGW: I see you have no patience for someone who doesn’t share 100% your opinions…
moonbat,
On Israel: I see you have no patience for someone who doesn’t share 100% your opinions…
Actually not true. In both cases, a moderate has no patience for people who ignore data. That Jihadists are violent, murderous, theocratic, thugs who stand against all the values America holds dear and who fervently try to destroy Israel has almost as much hard data to support it as AGW does.
There is a difference between fact and opinion.
ON the mosque:
Wingnut,
The Muslims are coming to take over America! They are desecrating holy sites in America! Followed by hideous fear and hate mongering and other such…
Moonbat,
Islam is a peaceful religion the world over. We just don’t understand them, and if America and Israel in particular didn’t brutalize them so much, there would be peace.
Reality: Most American Muslims no better than any of us just how crazy things are in the Middle East. That is why they came here. Those who are citizens are just as much citizens as you or me and they have the same rights. They are decent hard working folks who mean well on average - about the same as any other group in America means well or works hard on average. They are neither sinners or saints - just like everyone else.
The Islam of the Jihadist or the Islamic regime, is brutal in an unmitigated and medieval way. There is no cultural equivalence or moral ambiguity to publicly stoning a woman - or cutting off her nose and ears because she fled her abusive husband, or suicide bombing innocent women and children , or making decapitation videos, or executing people for witchcraft or keeping ones population in a frenzied level of ignorant and superstitious war mongering. The Islam you see in Saudi Arabia or Iran is brutal, barbaric, and filled with desire to proseltyze the world more fervent than the desire of fundamentalists to Christianize.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Aug 4, 2010 11:08:00am |
PIMF
Reality: Most American Muslims know better than any of us just how crazy things are in the Middle East.
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sattv4u2 Wed, Aug 4, 2010 11:09:08am |
I’m not sure whether the term “White Culture” was assigned TO or co-opted BY the skin heads/ neo nazis/ KKK racists, but if you now say you’re proud of your ‘white culture” you are automatically looked at as a racist
Conversely being proud of ones “black culture ” (heritage and history) is celebrated (as it should be ,, btw ,,I’m proud of my Italian/Scicilian/Irish roots,, but PROUDER to be an American)
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 4, 2010 11:10:26am |
re: #132 sattv4u2
White Flour!
-The Pillsbury Dough Boy
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DaddyG Wed, Aug 4, 2010 11:11:37am |
re: #132 sattv4u2
I’m proud of my Italian/Scicilian/Irish roots
Either that or your just too cheap and lazy to dye your hair regularly. //
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sattv4u2 Wed, Aug 4, 2010 11:12:04am |
re: #133 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
White Flour!
-The Pillsbury Dough Boy
go to your room, and don’t come out till you think long and hard about how to behave!
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sattv4u2 Wed, Aug 4, 2010 11:12:30am |
re: #134 DaddyG
Either that or your just too cheap and lazy to dye your hair regularly. //
well,, there IS that !
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Kragar Wed, Aug 4, 2010 11:13:07am |
re: #133 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
White Flour!
-The Pillsbury Dough Boy
White Tower!
-Anonymos Aes Sedai
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Political Atheist Wed, Aug 4, 2010 11:19:35am |
re: #132 sattv4u2
It would seem to me that to allow the KKK to co-opt the term is really erroneous. Apart from said co-opting, we should all have the freedom to celebrate our cultures. Otherwise “white” culture is in some kind of existential denial.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 4, 2010 11:23:47am |
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sattv4u2 Wed, Aug 4, 2010 11:28:54am |
re: #139 Rightwingconspirator
It would seem to me that to allow the KKK to co-opt the term is really erroneous. Apart from said co-opting, we should all have the freedom to celebrate our cultures. Otherwise “white” culture is in some kind of existential denial.
Don’t get me wrong. I agree
But go out to a rally,, ANY rally with a sign or T-Shirt that states White Culture (nothing more) and see the reaction!
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Political Atheist Wed, Aug 4, 2010 11:30:44am |
re: #141 sattv4u2
Huh. Note how careful we feel we have to be even as familiar posters. You are correct of course
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Wed, Aug 4, 2010 11:42:12am |
re: #140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Post that again later. Please.
Needs to be seen.
I expanded it and made a mini page out of it. Please click it up so people see it.
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Slap Wed, Aug 4, 2010 11:48:20am |
Yeesh, this is SO simple.
You take a petri dish.
You rub sumptin’ on it.
You cover it and wait.
In time, you’ll have white culture. Or black culture. Or camo culture. Or vivid green culture.
People who don’t see this are simply culturally biased.
/
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