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A little learning is a dang’rous thing;
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring;
There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
And drinking largely sobers us again.

Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism, Part II

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1 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 10:27:21pm

Brilliant writer, Alexander Pope. And he was a good friend of Sir Isaac Newton.

2 albusteve  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 10:32:24pm

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Brilliant writer, Alexander Pope. And he was a good friend of Sir Isaac Newton.

AC/DC said the same thing...
jus sayin

3 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 10:49:16pm

Wow, the anti-muslim/Islam hate machine is really gaining ground, even most of the comments on "Newsvine" at MSNBC are appallingly racist/islamophobic now.

So has the official Democratic slogan been changed from "Blame everything on Bush" to "Blame everything on Islam" yet? Just wondering because I think you guys are letting your people get suckered into changing the "message" by the likes of Glenn Beck and his super fatso drug addict cohort...

/

4 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 10:50:59pm

Goodnight, all.

5 avanti  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:13:26pm

Headline:

Hoops for Troops: Obama Plays Ball with LeBron James, Dwayne Wade for wounded warriors.

Wait, it's a horrible thing according to the comments on Big Government, here's two:


"What, couldn't find a white person in America to entertain the white volunteer army?"

and

"A publicity stunt of the lowest order, by Obama! What next? playing wheelchair basketball? Obama has no scruples or morals imo. A president who is possibly allowing Military votes to be EXCLUDED! from the November elections! should be questioned on tape, by Military officials. Expose him for the phoney that he is! The results should be published in every VETERANS HOSPITAL! and Military Base in the world!

Beauvais Hudson Post, and all Veterans Associations should rise up and investigate Obama's actions toward the military! They will be surprised at what they find! See Father_moray's post above! Don't let Obama use you for a photo opportunity! "

6 albusteve  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:15:39pm

re: #5 avanti

Headline:

Hoops for Troops: Obama Plays Ball with LeBron James, Dwayne Wade for wounded warriors.

Wait, it's a horrible thing according to the comments on Big Government, here's two:

"What, couldn't find a white person in America to entertain the white volunteer army?"

and

"A publicity stunt of the lowest order, by Obama! What next? playing wheelchair basketball? Obama has no scruples or morals imo. A president who is possibly allowing Military votes to be EXCLUDED! from the November elections! should be questioned on tape, by Military officials. Expose him for the phoney that he is! The results should be published in every VETERANS HOSPITAL! and Military Base in the world!

Beauvais Hudson Post, and all Veterans Associations should rise up and investigate Obama's actions toward the military! They will be surprised at what they find! See Father_moray's post above! Don't let Obama use you for a photo opportunity! "

crazy, cherry picked comments from other blogs is old, stale and boring....why degrage LGF into a cheezy gossip column?

7 freetoken  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:19:38pm

re: #5 avanti

This is one of the sad and infuriating things about the hate machine: they've become addicted. The chemical/emotional changes when anger is aroused is real and some find a sort of thrill or meaning in it.

Empty lives turning towards stupid lies.

8 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:27:01pm

Misleading ad peddled by scared people.

9 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:27:35pm

re: #5 avanti

Headline:

Hoops for Troops: Obama Plays Ball with LeBron James, Dwayne Wade for wounded warriors.

Wait, it's a horrible thing according to the comments on Big Government, here's two:

"What, couldn't find a white person in America to entertain the white volunteer army?"

and

"A publicity stunt of the lowest order, by Obama! What next? playing wheelchair basketball? Obama has no scruples or morals imo. A president who is possibly allowing Military votes to be EXCLUDED! from the November elections! should be questioned on tape, by Military officials. Expose him for the phoney that he is! The results should be published in every VETERANS HOSPITAL! and Military Base in the world!

Beauvais Hudson Post, and all Veterans Associations should rise up and investigate Obama's actions toward the military! They will be surprised at what they find! See Father_moray's post above! Don't let Obama use you for a photo opportunity! "

The white volunteer army? I thought this was the actual army they were playing for.

//good Lord

10 darthstar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:31:27pm

I went to a Dead show tonight and a ballgame broke out...good times, good times indeed.

11 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:34:36pm

God, I love baseball.

12 albusteve  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:35:33pm

re: #7 freetoken

This is one of the sad and infuriating things about the hate machine: they've become addicted. The chemical/emotional changes when anger is aroused is real and some find a sort of thrill or meaning in it.

Empty lives turning towards stupid lies.

plenty of evidence of that notion, right here

13 albusteve  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:37:10pm

re: #11 tnguitarist

God, I love baseball.

God, I love football

14 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:38:02pm

re: #13 albusteve

God, I love football

That, too. Baseball has a special place in my heart, though.

15 darthstar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:38:17pm

re: #13 albusteve

God, I love football

When football players can play 160 games in a season, give me a call.

Go Vikings!

16 cliffster  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:38:36pm

re: #13 albusteve

God, I love football

God, I love badminton.

17 darthstar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:38:57pm

re: #16 cliffster

God, I love badminton.

fag.
/

18 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:40:08pm

re: #17 darthstar

fag.
/

Who said anything about tennis?//

19 albusteve  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:42:01pm

re: #15 darthstar

When football players can play 160 games in a season, give me a call.

Go Vikings!

right, the baseball season is too long, but a bunch of sissy's can play that number of games if they can get their nails done on their days off...
go Cowboys!

20 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:43:19pm

re: #19 albusteve

go Cowboys!

wOOt!!

21 albusteve  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:43:29pm

re: #14 tnguitarist

That, too. Baseball has a special place in my heart, though.

that's cool...I used to feel that way myself...played a lot of ball too, a great game to play...watching on TV, not so much

22 albusteve  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:44:23pm

re: #17 darthstar

fag.
/

ever play it?...a hell of a game to play

23 darthstar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:45:58pm

Okay...here's the rundown on tonight's Jerry Garcia memorial game:
1. Grateful Dead cover band Cryptical played Shakedown Street ant Touch of Grey before the game. (I know the bass player for that band...nice fellow)
2. Bob Weir, Phil Lesh, and one other person (can't remember who) sang the national anthem together...very well done, and of course, with a large crowd hanging on every note.
3. Lots of video clips of Jerry talking about San Francisco (his home), and live clips of different shows between innings.
4. 7th inning stretch was led by Mickey Hart and Bill Kreutzman (two drummers, you can't go wrong with two drummers). With the bobble heads, they distributed kazoos, so we all played "Take Me Out To the Ballgame" on our kazoos to get into the Guinness book of World Records (my second entry into the Guinness World Records book jamming with Mickey - last time was setting the record for world's largest drum circle [4100 drummers] at the Earthdance Music festival at the Hog Farm in Laytonville, CA - an old hippie commune).
5. Oh, and the Giants won in 11 innings.

24 darthstar  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:46:44pm

re: #22 albusteve

ever play it?...a hell of a game to play

Yes, and yes, it is a hell of a game, hence the sarc tag.

25 albusteve  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:50:28pm

re: #24 darthstar

Yes, and yes, it is a hell of a game, hence the sarc tag.

for years I got into all sorts of net games...racketball is a blast and squash, no net, is another blast...a rich friend of mine had a full blown squash court behind his garage

26 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:50:36pm

If you've ever been to a baseball game, they have signs everywhere warning you that objects enter the stands. Why people yak away and don't pay attention is beyond me. I wonder if this guy was paying attention?

27 albusteve  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:51:33pm

re: #23 darthstar

sounds pretty cool

28 albusteve  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:52:47pm

re: #26 tnguitarist

If you've ever been to a baseball game, they have signs everywhere warning you that objects enter the stands. Why people yak away and don't pay attention is beyond me. I wonder if this guy was paying attention?

aluminum bats!

29 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:54:28pm

re: #28 albusteve

aluminum bats!

They should go back to all ash bats. Maple is dangerous.

30 albusteve  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:56:03pm

re: #29 tnguitarist

They should go back to all ash bats. Maple is dangerous.

there isn't any left

31 albusteve  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:57:02pm

I'm out like Bret Favre

32 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:57:16pm

re: #30 albusteve

there isn't any left

Ash? I've got a barn full. Bonds made the maple bats popular.

33 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:57:41pm

re: #31 albusteve

I'm out like Bret Favre

So.....you'll be right back?

34 freetoken  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:58:00pm

Speaking of going back... all the way to 1937 with the song "Madiana" sung by Noriko Awaya:

These old recordings are a type of mixed metaphor.

35 cliffster  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:58:12pm

re: #26 tnguitarist

If you've ever been to a baseball game, they have signs everywhere warning you that objects enter the stands. Why people yak away and don't pay attention is beyond me. I wonder if this guy was paying attention?

Falzon is seeking unspecified damages from the team, the league, Rawlings-brand bat maker the Jarden Corp. and two players: Mets second baseman Luis Castillo, who was wielding the bat, and then-Mets catcher Ramon Castro, who owned it, according to the lawsuits.

In other words, "Falzon had something bad happen to him and is trying to make some cash on it, from whoever might give it to him" Sickening.

36 cliffster  Mon, Aug 9, 2010 11:58:56pm

night yall

37 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 12:00:16am

re: #35 cliffster

In other words, "Falzon had something bad happen to him and is trying to make some cash on it, from whoever might give it to him" Sickening.

Like I said, there are warnings everywhere. If he was watching, he would probably have seen the bat.

38 freetoken  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 12:49:41am
39 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 12:51:14am

Boast not my Fall (he cry'd) insulting Foe!
Thou by some other shalt be laid as low.
Nor think, to die dejects my lofty Mind;
All that I dread, is leaving you behind!
Rather than so, ah let me still survive,
And burn in Cupid's Flames, — but burn alive.

--Pope, The Rape of the Lock

40 freetoken  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 12:55:17am

A superb song to which to dance:

41 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 1:38:52am

re: #8 tnguitarist

Misleading ad peddled by scared people.

apparently utilizing low-poly models from a Sega Saturn game to represent towering evil megamosque

42 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 1:40:53am

God I love The Atomic Bitchwax

43 lazardo  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 2:45:12am
44 The Curmudgeon  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 3:04:48am

I'm still here, but I'm avoiding the political threads. I've got quite enough cyber-action just by opposing the creationists-- more than enough. This looks like a non-controversial thread. Hi, y'all.

45 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 3:28:48am

re: #44 The Curmudgeon

hai hai

46 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 4:05:48am

Morning Lizardim. Did I miss any hot troll action after I left yesterday morning? Long meetings tend to be bad for keeping up with the flow, so I usually disappear from the thread if things run too late.

47 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 4:26:25am

re: #46 thedopefishlives

Morning Lizardim. Did I miss any hot troll action after I left yesterday morning? Long meetings tend to be bad for keeping up with the flow, so I usually disappear from the thread if things run too late.

stalker troll came by earlier in one of the downstairs threads.

48 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 4:29:18am

re: #47 wozzablog

stalker troll came by earlier in one of the downstairs threads.

I always miss the good stuff.

49 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 4:29:33am

Good Morning Lizards!

Regarding the football versus baseball issue:

A buddy of mine (a triathelete) had a theory about sports. If you can use a tobacco product while participating in an activity and have it not affect your performance, it isn't a real sport.

So, football wins!
//

50 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 4:29:58am

re: #49 rwdflynavy

And Go Cowboys! America's Team!!!

51 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 4:31:49am

re: #48 thedopefishlives

I always miss the good stuff.

it wasn't purdy.

52 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 4:33:20am

re: #50 rwdflynavy

And Go Cowboys! America's Team!!!

my GF is a cowboys fan........... but being brought up in a Redskins household the Dolphins were as far as i got away.

Parents are yet to meet the GF - haven't told dad the bad news about her yet :p

53 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 4:34:04am

re: #51 wozzablog

it wasn't purdy.

Troll droppings usually aren't, but meh. Sometimes it provides entertainment.

54 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 4:39:29am

re: #42 WindUpBird

God I love The Atomic Bitchwax
blockquote>

They have a very old school sound. Nothing says metal like a Peavey amp turned up to "distort".

55 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 4:40:54am

re: #44 The Curmudgeon

I'm still here, but I'm avoiding the political threads. I've got quite enough cyber-action just by opposing the creationists-- more than enough. This looks like a non-controversial thread. Hi, y'all.

Sure- come in here and stir things up with your radical non-controversy stance. //

56 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 4:42:21am

My wife grew up with a rabid Redskins fan for a father. He had 2 girls and dressed them in Redskins stuff from the time they were babies (boys stuff as they didn't have girls Redskins stuff in the 70's). This plan backfired and she is a die hard Cowboys fan.

57 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 4:45:37am

re: #56 rwdflynavy

The big thing in my family has always been college football, rather than professional football. (Probably an outgrowth of not having an actual team to root for until the Colts' rise to power in the last 10 years.) What's interesting is, in my extended family, half of them are Indiana Hoosiers, and half are Michigan Wolverines. It makes for some VERY interesting family get-togethers.

58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 4:50:08am

re: #56 rwdflynavy

Yay! Chick Cowboy's fans are the hottest.

59 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 4:52:01am

re: #58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Yay! Chick Cowboy's fans are the hottest.

my gf definitely is *sigh*

60 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 4:53:51am

re: #23 darthstar

Oh, Gawd.

LGF has people who have been in Drum Circles?

"What in the wild, wild word of sports is a-going on here!?"

61 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 4:55:34am

Morning All.

62 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:03:03am

re: #61 RogueOne

Morning All.

Morning Rogue.

63 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:04:34am

re: #61 RogueOne

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

64 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:04:46am

4chan made the WaPo:

4chan users seize Internet's power for mass disruptions
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

65 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:06:47am

re: #61 RogueOne

Morning All.

Mornin!

66 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:07:01am

I wasn't around last night, so I just had my first opportunity to read the new entries.
I have to say that the pages on Conservapedia's loathsome and stupid attempt to deny relativity came as close to making me physically ill as anything I have ever read here. In a way, this is surprising, since we have had some seriously appalling items come across these pages in the past nine years.

Somehow, though, the physical atrocities of the terrorists do not strike as deeply as the frontal assault on the truth being waged today in the name of piety and godliness. This is obscene, fundamentally indecent in a way that no mere outrage against human bodies could equal. This might be because ideas survive their originators, where bodies do not. To attack a noble achievement of intellect is an offense against the human heritage; a threat to our collective, rather than just our individual, survival.

God damn these infernal quacks and their satanic lies.

67 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:18:12am

re: #66 Shiplord Kirel

I wasn't around last night, so I just had my first opportunity to read the new entries.
I have to say that the pages on Conservapedia's loathsome and stupid attempt to deny relativity came as close to making me physically ill as anything I have ever read here. In a way, this is surprising, since we have had some seriously appalling items come across these pages in the past nine years.

Somehow, though, the physical atrocities of the terrorists do not strike as deeply as the frontal assault on the truth being waged today in the name of piety and godliness. This is obscene, fundamentally indecent in a way that no mere outrage against human bodies could equal. This might be because ideas survive their originators, where bodies do not. To attack a noble achievement of intellect is an offense against the human heritage; a threat to our collective, rather than just our individual, survival.

God damn these infernal quacks and their satanic lies.

Which group chops off heads?

68 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:18:43am

re: #66 Shiplord Kirel

I wasn't around last night, so I just had my first opportunity to read the new entries.
I have to say that the pages on Conservapedia's loathsome and stupid attempt to deny relativity came as close to making me physically ill as anything I have ever read here. In a way, this is surprising, since we have had some seriously appalling items come across these pages in the past nine years.

Somehow, though, the physical atrocities of the terrorists do not strike as deeply as the frontal assault on the truth being waged today in the name of piety and godliness. This is obscene, fundamentally indecent in a way that no mere outrage against human bodies could equal. This might be because ideas survive their originators, where bodies do not. To attack a noble achievement of intellect is an offense against the human heritage; a threat to our collective, rather than just our individual, survival.

God damn these infernal quacks and their satanic lies.

You sum it up very well - we are *still* fighting for the enlightenment.

69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:19:56am

re: #66 Shiplord Kirel

Somehow, though, the physical atrocities of the terrorists do not strike as deeply as the frontal assault on the truth being waged today in the name of piety and godliness.

Holy hyperbole, Batman!

70 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:25:04am

re: #69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Holy hyperbole, Batman!

it's worth occasional over statement - the people who want to drag us back from sciences and the advances in equality we have made are the same who were burning witches at the stake 300 years ago - we need to stop them from taking the level of conciousness back to when all that was ok.

71 Achilles Tang  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:25:06am

Heh; drinking largely or largely sobers, that is the question.

72 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:26:40am

re: #60 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, Gawd.

LGF has people who have been in Drum Circles?

"What in the wild, wild word of sports is a-going on here!?"

haha yeah, actually. But then again, drummers tend to find themselves in drum circles now and again

73 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:29:37am

re: #67 MandyManners

Which group chops off heads?

Well, in all fairness to Kirel, I'm sure the neo-Luddites would love to get their hands on enough power to be able to kill people that disagree with them.

74 Achilles Tang  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:32:24am

re: #67 MandyManners

Which group chops off heads?

Which groups support and hide killers of doctors; admittedly using guns instead of knives?

75 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:34:29am

re: #60 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, Gawd.

LGF has people who have been in Drum Circles?
"

"It's a really super way to express your masculinity in a nurturing all male environment."

"And that's important, especially today, as we men wrestle with our manhood"

76 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:35:29am

re: #74 Naso Tang

Which groups support and hide killers of doctors; admittedly using guns instead of knives?

Not watched the news this week?
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

77 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:36:14am

re: #69 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Holy hyperbole, Batman!

How is that hyperbole, FBV? I am just saying that the attack on science bothers in ways that the terrorists do not. I've seen the terrorists in action. It is no fun to be caught in an ambush in Iraq but I definitely know what to do with terrorists when they come within range. In a way, as terrifying as it is, this is almost comfortingly straightforward at a psychological level. I don't know what to do to fight off the luddites, not with the same level of certainty at any rate.
They aren't chopping off heads just yet but we can't afford to wait until their efforts reach their full effect, an effect that has fully matched any horror in history when it went unopposed in the past.

78 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:37:11am

re: #70 wozzablog

As much as people do not want to believe it; Cotton Mather is dead.

I weigh more than a duck anyway.

79 Achilles Tang  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:39:22am

re: #76 RogueOne

Not watched the news this week?
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

Yes of course I have, but you know what my point was.

80 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:42:21am

re: #78 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

As much as people do not want to believe it; Cotton Mather is dead.

But his spirit, if not his intellect, marches on.

I weigh more than a duck anyway.


I'll take your word for that one.

81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:42:58am

re: #77 Shiplord Kirel

I know some serious Evangelicals... they have the beliefs you appear to fear.

However, someone in their group says, "Hey, let's chop off that heretic's head!", rest of group says (I'm paraphrasing), "Have you lost your fucking mind?!"

82 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:43:43am

Gotta git to work.

See ya, slackers!

83 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:43:49am

re: #74 Naso Tang

Which groups support and hide killers of doctors; admittedly using guns instead of knives?

ding ding

84 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:45:33am

Shouldn't this be considered a form of "rendition"?

U.S. Urges Allies to Crack Down on WikiLeaks
[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]


The Obama administration has asked Britain, Germany, Australia, and other allies to consider criminal charges against Julian Assange for his Afghan war leaks. Philip Shenon reports.

We can't charge them here so we're asking someone else to pick his ass up? I'm not sure how I feel about that.

85 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:49:43am

re: #77 Shiplord Kirel

They aren't chopping off heads just yet but we can't afford to wait until their efforts reach their full effect, an effect that has fully matched any horror in history when it went unopposed in the past.

they're already banning books, burning books, murdering doctors, blowing up clinics and rewriting school curriculum's.

86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:50:16am

re: #74 Naso Tang

Which groups support and hide killers of doctors; admittedly using guns instead of knives?

Where were the people dancing in the streets celebrating the murders?

87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:50:26am

I'll stop... this will go absolutely nowhere.

88 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:50:26am

We were talking about the JetBlue guy last night. I didn't read until this morning that he took 2 beers with him when he bailed out of the airplane. Best walkout ever!

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

89 laZardo  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:53:30am

GREAT NEWS.

The LGF cookbook finally arrived at my house. O: Had to tell my mom it was from me because it was billed to me but addressed to her and she got to it before I did.

90 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:53:52am

re: #86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Where were the people dancing in the streets celebrating the murders?

you don't need streets when you have internet messageboards of thousands of people rejoicing.

There are networks of people who blow up clinics - they shelter each other, they are not on their own when they do things, whether their names are raised up high in the streets or not.
These people have supporters - Randall Terry is given mass (old) media platforms and he has advocated murder and terrorism openly.

91 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:56:56am

re: #85 wozzablog

they're already banning books, burning books, murdering doctors, blowing up clinics and rewriting school curriculum's.

You forgot to mention that it's never been this bad.

DADT is about to go out the window, a judge just tossed Prop. 8, gay marriage is already legal in a few states (and it's spreading), legal marijuana can be bought in a dozen states, we elected a bi-racial president, people like Condi Rice and Hillary Clinton have decimated the glass ceiling, etc., etc., etc....... Sure, we're not perfect and we have our theocratic crazies here but they aren't taking over and compared to the crazy theocrats elsewhere, they're pretty tame. Life isn't that bad.

92 laZardo  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:58:49am

re: #91 RogueOne

You forgot to mention that it's never been this bad.

DADT is about to go out the window, a judge just tossed Prop. 8, gay marriage is already legal in a few states (and it's spreading), legal marijuana can be bought in a dozen states, we elected a bi-racial president, people like Condi Rice and Hillary Clinton have decimated the glass ceiling, etc., etc., etc... Sure, we're not perfect and we have our theocratic crazies here but they aren't taking over and compared to the crazy theocrats elsewhere, they're pretty tame. Life isn't that bad.

All we're missing is an American Sex Party.

I'm not making that link up.

93 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:59:18am

re: #91 RogueOne

You forgot to mention that it's never been this bad.

DADT is about to go out the window, a judge just tossed Prop. 8, gay marriage is already legal in a few states (and it's spreading), legal marijuana can be bought in a dozen states, we elected a bi-racial president, people like Condi Rice and Hillary Clinton have decimated the glass ceiling, etc., etc., etc... Sure, we're not perfect and we have our theocratic crazies here but they aren't taking over and compared to the crazy theocrats elsewhere, they're pretty tame. Life isn't that bad.

We know this - but the people apt to banning Harry Potter books and gunning down doctors do not - for them it has never been this bad.

94 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 5:59:49am

re: #92 laZardo

All we're missing is an American Sex Party.

I'm not making that link up.

There's a platform I can definitely get behind.

95 Achilles Tang  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:00:50am

re: #87 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'll stop... this will go absolutely nowhere.

Good idea :)

96 laZardo  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:01:38am

re: #94 RogueOne

There's a platform I can definitely get behind.

Well, they're a party that deserves their shot at being on top.

97 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:02:29am

re: #93 wozzablog

We know this - but the people apt to banning Harry Potter books and gunning down doctors do not - for them it has never been this bad.

Has the Harry Potter book banning gotten out of control or has it been an overblown controversy? There are always going to be kooks out there but they aren't taking over, they aren't gaining prominence, and they aren't knocking on my door trying to burn my shit. They're not just a minority but an extreme minority in this country. In terms of social liberties we've been moving steadily left for the last 50 years. Life is getting better, not worse.

98 laZardo  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:04:09am

re: #97 RogueOne

Has the Harry Potter book banning gotten out of control or has it been an overblown controversy? There are always going to be kooks out there but they aren't taking over, they aren't gaining prominence, and they aren't knocking on my door trying to burn my shit. They're not just a minority but an extreme minority in this country. In terms of social liberties we've been moving steadily left for the last 50 years. Life is getting better, not worse.

I'm normally against book bannings, but Twilight should be...quietly put out of print.

/hint hint, nudge nudge

99 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:04:15am

re: #93 wozzablog

If you're worried about our liberties being taken away you should look no further than our own government. If you want someone to be afraid of, try your local politicians and police force.

100 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:05:13am

CO primary day. This should be fun.

101 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:09:20am

If Bennett doesn't beat Romanoff what does that say about the political strength of the president? And if romanoff wins how big will the Clinton victory cigar be?

102 Achilles Tang  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:09:41am

re: #97 RogueOne

You are correct, the "street" support for what we call religious extremism is greater in Islam than in the various forms of Christianity. The individual acts and their self justifications are however perfectly comparable, which is the only point being made when raised.

103 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:12:52am

re: #102 Naso Tang

You are correct, the "street" support for what we call religious extremism is greater in Islam than in the various forms of Christianity. The individual acts and their self justifications are however perfectly comparable, which is the only point being made when raised.

I'll agree. My only point is that "crazy" is relative and life isn't as bad as people want to make it. Life is pretty good and getting better. People need to turn off the cable news programming and sit back and enjoy themselves once in awhile. All that cable angst programming is harmful to the nations psyche.

104 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:13:16am

BBIAB

105 laZardo  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:13:45am

re: #99 RogueOne

If you're worried about our liberties being taken away you should look no further than our own government. If you want someone to be afraid of, try your local politicians and police force.

In all seriousness, they don't even need to go against the Constitution.

106 cliffster  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:14:16am

Power walking looks alot like people who have taken to many laxatives,and just realized they ain't gonna make it home.

107 Achilles Tang  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:17:35am

re: #103 RogueOne

And don't forget to not pay attention to the weather.

108 Achilles Tang  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:18:09am

bbl

109 cliffster  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:22:29am
110 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:24:13am

re: #109 cliffster

Octopus learns to open a jar


[Video]

We're all doomed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

111 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:24:34am

re: #109 cliffster

Octopus learns to open a jar


[Video]

Smartest creatures. Very very cool.

112 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:25:32am
113 laZardo  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:27:17am

re: #109 cliffster

Wait till they breed with the Immortal Jellyfish.

114 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:32:39am

re: #102 Naso Tang

You are correct, the "street" support for what we call religious extremism is greater in Islam than in the various forms of Christianity. The individual acts and their self justifications are however perfectly comparable, which is the only point being made when raised.

Every religion is plagued by some extremists to some extent, however one must be careful to define the term.
"Religious extremism" as in violence, misogyny, intimidation and imposition of one's own views and beliefs on others...this is the enemy of liberty regardless of which religion it comes from.
"Street support" as in active support or even passive "wink-wink" support for the extremists is just as vile and subversive as the extremists are. Chickenshit failure to stand up to the extremists and fight them comes a close second.

115 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:37:12am

re: #114 Spare O'Lake

Every religion is plagued by some extremists to some extent, however one must be careful to define the term.
"Religious extremism" as in violence, misogyny, intimidation and imposition of one's own views and beliefs on others...this is the enemy of liberty regardless of which religion it comes from.
"Street support" as in active support or even passive "wink-wink" support for the extremists is just as vile and subversive as the extremists are. Chickenshit failure to stand up to the extremists and fight them comes a close second.

Quit being reasonable - i'm not used to it,
/

116 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:46:26am

Sup?

117 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:46:57am

Good morning lizards

118 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:47:17am

re: #116 Varek Raith

Sup?

re: #117 NJDhockeyfan

Good morning lizards

Morning, kids.

119 garhighway  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:48:03am

re: #66 Shiplord Kirel

I wasn't around last night, so I just had my first opportunity to read the new entries.
I have to say that the pages on Conservapedia's loathsome and stupid attempt to deny relativity came as close to making me physically ill as anything I have ever read here. In a way, this is surprising, since we have had some seriously appalling items come across these pages in the past nine years.

Somehow, though, the physical atrocities of the terrorists do not strike as deeply as the frontal assault on the truth being waged today in the name of piety and godliness. This is obscene, fundamentally indecent in a way that no mere outrage against human bodies could equal. This might be because ideas survive their originators, where bodies do not. To attack a noble achievement of intellect is an offense against the human heritage; a threat to our collective, rather than just our individual, survival.

God damn these infernal quacks and their satanic lies.

Which group is willing to trade the health of the planet (and millions of lives) so they can have a better third quarter?

120 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:48:36am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area, where a jetBlue flight attendant had his Network moment before storming off a plane and deploying the emergency chute last night. Passengers can be an unruly bunch, but this attendant's buttons were pushed once too often.

121 garhighway  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:50:38am

re: #120 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area, where a jetBlue flight attendant had his Network moment before storming off a plane and deploying the emergency chute last night. Passengers can be an unruly bunch, but this attendant's buttons were pushed once too often.

I know it is bad form to draw amusement from someone else's misfortune, but this really is funny.

However, I have been on lots of flights where people jump up too early so they can get a 5 second advantage in deplaning, so I am sympathetic to the flight attendant. But exiting via the emergency slide? Epic.

122 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:51:47am

re: #120 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area, where a jetBlue flight attendant had his Network moment before storming off a plane and deploying the emergency chute last night. Passengers can be an unruly bunch, but this attendant's buttons were pushed once too often.

Image: Heh.jpg

123 Soap_Man  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:52:37am

re: #103 RogueOne

I'll agree. My only point is that "crazy" is relative and life isn't as bad as people want to make it. Life is pretty good and getting better. People need to turn off the cable news programming and sit back and enjoy themselves once in awhile. All that cable angst programming is harmful to the nations psyche.

The Mean World Syndrome, I believe it is called. News makes people think the world is meaner, more violent and more dangerous than it really.

For example, almost everybody will guess way too high when you ask them how many people are murdered every year. (It's 16k and change, according to the FBI's most recent numbers.)

124 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:52:49am

re: #119 garhighway

Which group is willing to trade the health of the planet (and millions of lives) so they can have a better third quarter?

the eeeeebil corporashuns?

/

125 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:54:16am

re: #120 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area, where a jetBlue flight attendant had his Network moment before storming off a plane and deploying the emergency chute last night. Passengers can be an unruly bunch, but this attendant's buttons were pushed once too often.

I don't envy that guy his job. I try my hardest to be civil and polite with service personnel, simply because of the large quantity of unruly a--holes that they have to deal with on a regular basis.

126 garhighway  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:54:42am

re: #124 wozzablog

the eeebil corporashuns?

/

The oil and coal industries and their lackeys.

They are the ones funding the deniers. You OK with that? You find it acceptable?

127 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:56:21am

re: #126 garhighway

You mean the same ones that when combined with agribusinesses are pushing biofuels, which increase food costs, and fuel costs, and do nothing to actually reduce emissions?

128 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:57:55am

re: #126 garhighway

The oil and coal industries and their lackeys.

They are the ones funding the deniers. You OK with that? You find it acceptable?

Nope.

But the updinger caught the reference.

129 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:59:14am

re: #127 lawhawk

You mean the same ones that when combined with agribusinesses are pushing biofuels, which increase food costs, and fuel costs, and do nothing to actually reduce emissions?

That issue is blanket idiocy in pursuit of gub'mint subsidy and "green credentials" provided by people who don't know what they are talking about.

130 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 6:59:52am

Reports are indicating that former US Senator Ted Stevens may have been aboard the plane that crashed with 8 aboard in Alaska.

A plane believed to be carrying eight people, including former Sen. Ted Stevens, crashed in southwest Alaska and rescue crews were trying to reach the wreckage early Tuesday, authorities said.

Alaska National Guard spokesman Maj. Guy Hayes said there were possible fatalities. Five good Samaritans were on scene early Tuesday helping the crash victims, he said. It was unclear how they reached the site.

A U.S. government official told The Associated Press that Alaska authorities have been told the former longtime Republican senator is among several passengers on the plane. The official, who spoke on grounds of anonymity, says Stevens' condition is unknown.

The federal official declined to be publicly identified because the crash response and investigation are under way.

131 garhighway  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:00:05am

re: #127 lawhawk

You mean the same ones that when combined with agribusinesses are pushing biofuels, which increase food costs, and fuel costs, and do nothing to actually reduce emissions?

I agree: most biofuels are simply a subsidy to the agribusiness sector. And every four years every presidential candidate in both parties has to go to Iowa to swear fealty to that industry. So I don't see much change there anytime soon.

But on an order of magnitude basis, the oil/coal guys will be responsible for much more damage if they are successful in preventing any sort of concerted action on AGW.

132 Interesting Times  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:04:41am

re: #128 wozzablog

But the updinger caught the reference.

I most certainly did :)

re: #131 garhighway

But on an order of magnitude basis, the oil/coal guys will be are responsible for much more damage if they are since they've been very successful in preventing any sort of concerted action on AGW.

Fixed - see forest fires, Russia and floods, Pakistan and China :(

133 albusteve  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:06:24am

The Increasingly Self-Pitying Obama White House

What we are seeing, I think, is a group of supremely arrogant people humbled by events. They are turning out to be a good deal more incompetent than they (and many Americans) ever imagined. They see impending political doom in the form of the midterm elections. Yet this is not leading them toward any apparent serious self-reflection; rather, they are engaging in an extraordinary degree of whining, finger-pointing, and self-indulgence.

[Link: www.commentarymagazine.com...]

134 laZardo  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:07:05am

Just got informed by my mother that she actually found her first perusal of the cookbook a great way to pass the time at the doctor's while waiting to get her varicose veins checked.

D'awww.

135 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:10:59am

Stealth expert guilty of selling secrets to China


A former B-2 bomber engineer who marketed and sold his stealth expertise to China is facing life in a federal prison following his conviction for bartering U.S. military secrets.

Noshir Gowadia, 66, was found guilty Monday on charges that he designed a cruise missile component for China and pocketed at least $110,000, which he allegedly used to help pay a $15,000-a-month mortgage on a multimillion-dollar oceanview home he built on Maui's north shore.

Prosecutors said Gowadia revealed classified information to foreign powers at least twice: during a PowerPoint presentation on his cruise missile technology, and when he showed the technology's effectiveness by comparing it to American air-to-air missiles.

136 Soap_Man  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:11:39am

Awesome.

Levi Johnston Running for Wasilla Mayor

“[Levi] will give us a real inside look into who he is as a father, a skilled hunter, an avid dirt biker, and his journey down the road of small-town politics… right after he gets his high school diploma,” the production company told Variety.

137 laZardo  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:15:12am

re: #136 Soap_Man

Awesome.

Levi Johnston Running for Wasilla Mayor

That's almost as interesting as Wyclef Jean running for President of Haiti.

138 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:15:26am

re: #136 Soap_Man

Awesome.

Levi Johnston Running for Wasilla Mayor

Skip the facepalm - go right to the queen mother of idiot responses, the Double Facepalm.

139 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:17:38am

re: #137 laZardo

Hopefully Jean can do better running a country than he could run his own charity. Haiti is such a mess that I doubt Jean will be successful (that is if he even qualifies for the ballot). It's like he's shown any kind of organizational skills or the wherewithal to get anything done on the magnitude involved.

140 Gus  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:17:54am

re: #136 Soap_Man

Awesome.

Levi Johnston Running for Wasilla Mayor

For a reality show! Ah yes. American exceptionalism at its best.

141 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:18:23am

re: #136 Soap_Man

Awesome.

Levi Johnston Running for Wasilla Mayor

If a crack smoking idiot can become mayor in Washington DC, anyone can become mayor some where.

142 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:19:46am

re: #136 Soap_Man

Awesome.

Levi Johnston Running for Wasilla Mayor

Why not Detroit? He plays hockey.

143 Gus  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:21:27am

Social Lesbianism!

Please forward any complaints to Billy Bob Neck.

144 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:27:13am
145 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:28:43am

re: #141 NJDhockeyfan

If a crack smoking idiot can become mayor in Washington DC, anyone can become mayor some where.

Hey!
You leave Marion out of this!
The man's just keeping him down!
XD

146 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:31:24am

re: #145 Varek Raith

Hey!
You leave Marion out of this!
The man's just keeping him down!
XD

Da bitch done set him up!

147 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:32:17am

Intellectual juggernaut Andy Schlafly brings to light the fact that Einstein's Theory of Relativity is part of the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

He's gotta be right. Einstein introduced Relativity in 1915, and the Russian revolution was only 2 years later. COINCIDENCE??

148 albusteve  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:33:45am

Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

House members return to Washington this week for a special session that will include a vote on a $26.1 billion spending package intended partially to keep states from laying off teachers, a move some critics have called a “bailout for teachers unions.”

The Senate last week passed their own version of the bill, which cuts $12 billion beginning in 2014 from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance, or “food stamps,” program
to help make the measure deficit neutral. Anti-hunger advocates and conservatives alike decried the move.

looks like the dems learned their lesson with regard to the last unemployment extention, paying for the benefit with spending cuts...but this is obscene...altho it has not passed yet

[Link: dailycaller.com...]

149 laZardo  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:34:18am

re: #147 negativ

Intellectual juggernaut Andy Schlafly brings to light the fact that Einstein's Theory of Relativity is part of the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

He's gotta be right. Einstein introduced Relativity in 1915, and the Russian revolution was only 2 years later. COINCIDENCE??

The interesting part is that Einstein actually was a socialist. Though maybe if he had ended up becoming President of Israel than they'd have a real freaking laser shield by now. ):

150 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:35:51am

re: #147 negativ

Intellectual juggernaut Andy Schlafly brings to light the fact that Einstein's Theory of Relativity is part of the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.

He's gotta be right. Einstein introduced Relativity in 1915, and the Russian revolution was only 2 years later. COINCIDENCE??

Theories that don't produce anything useful are often a waste of time, or simply false - Andrew Shlafly

151 Gus  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:36:24am

re: #150 Varek Raith

Theories that don't produce anything useful are often a waste of time, or simply false - Andrew Shlafly

Image: Babyhuey.JPG

152 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:37:53am

re: #150 Varek Raith

Theories that don't produce anything useful are often a waste of time, or simply false - Andrew Shlafly

Fiber optics.
Someone discovered it long before we knew what the hell to do with it.

153 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:38:10am

Our tax dollars hard at work...

Feds funding Ground Zero imam's Mideast trip

The imam behind a plan to build a mosque near Ground Zero is set to depart on a multi-country jaunt to the Middle East funded by the State Department -- raising concerns that taxpayers may be helping him with the controversial project's $100 million fund-raising goal.

Feisal Abdul Rauf is taking the publicly funded trip to foster "greater understanding" about Islam and Muslim communities in the United States, the State Department confirmed yesterday.

154 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:39:01am

re: #153 NJDhockeyfan

Our tax dollars hard at work...

Feds funding Ground Zero imam's Mideast trip

Nontroversey.

156 Gus  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:40:33am

re: #153 NJDhockeyfan

Our tax dollars hard at work...

Feds funding Ground Zero imam's Mideast trip

Ooo! New York Post!

157 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:41:00am
158 albusteve  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:41:02am

re: #154 Varek Raith

Nontroversey.

how do you feel about your tax money funding state and local unions?

159 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:42:38am

re: #158 albusteve

how do you feel about your tax money funding state and local unions?

It sucks, truth be told.

160 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:42:52am

re: #155 Varek Raith

More info here, including that former Sen. Stevens was on board. No word on survivors.

161 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:43:42am

re: #160 lawhawk

More info here, including that former Sen. Stevens was on board. No word on survivors.

Damn.

162 albusteve  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:44:04am

Federal workers earning double their private counterparts

At a time when workers' pay and benefits have stagnated, federal employees' average compensation has grown to more than double what private sector workers earn, a USA TODAY analysis finds.

Federal workers have been awarded bigger average pay and benefit increases than private employees for nine years in a row. The compensation gap between federal and private workers has doubled in the past decade.

Fedzilla, gorging itself

[Link: www.usatoday.com...]

163 garhighway  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:44:49am

re: #158 albusteve

how do you feel about your tax money funding state and local unions?

When you say "funding state and local unions", do you mean the feds are actually cutting checks to unions, or that they are cutting checks to local governments to pay employees?

164 Gus  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:45:13am

Well. Too early in the morning for the toxic anti-government rage.

Back to work I go.

165 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:45:27am

I'm out.
Later gators.

166 Gus  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:45:37am

Tea Party!!11ty

167 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:45:40am

Iran plans help to Lebanon army, as U.S. blocks aid

Iran has offered support to Lebanon's army, a week after a deadly cross-border clash between Lebanon and Israel which prompted U.S. lawmakers to block funding to the Lebanese military.

The offer from Iran, which supports Lebanon's militant Shi'ite group Hezbollah, could fuel Western concern that Tehran is increasing its influence near Israel's northern border.

Israel said it had complained to Washington and Paris about funds to the Lebanese army after a skirmish left two Lebanese soldiers, a Lebanese journalist and a senior Israeli officer dead in the worst border violence since a 2006 war between Israel and Hezbollah guerrillas.

168 albusteve  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:47:31am

re: #163 garhighway

When you say "funding state and local unions", do you mean the feds are actually cutting checks to unions, or that they are cutting checks to local governments to pay employees?

read the article...it goes to the states, where it can be skimmed down before being spent of course

169 laZardo  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:49:15am

re: #166 Gus 802

Tea Party!!11ty

Speaking of tea, and parties, I went to a launch party earlier tonight for this cellphone and managed to land a spot for the user trials. If I'm dedicated enough with the regular correspondence I'll be making to the manufacturer's forums, I can keep the phone. (:

Oh, and I got a drink stub for a free (non-Long-Island) iced tea.

170 garhighway  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:50:33am

re: #168 albusteve

read the article...it goes to the states, where it can be skimmed down before being spent of course

That's what I thought: the feds aren't "paying unions", they are paying states to prevent them from having to lay people off. Whether any particular employee is union or not was a state decision at some time in the past and is essentially irrelevant to the current funding.

Thanks.

171 albusteve  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:51:13am

Traffic stop saves cat from owner’s plate

Buffalo police rescued a cat from a Cheektowaga man who apparently was planning to make a meal out of his pet because he thought it was ill-tempered, authorities said Monday.
The cat, according to police, was in a cage “marinating” in a mixture of crushed red peppers, chili pepper, salt and oil.

Tex Mex fried kitty

[Link: www.buffalonews.com...]

172 albusteve  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:52:26am

re: #170 garhighway

That's what I thought: the feds aren't "paying unions", they are paying states to prevent them from having to lay people off. Whether any particular employee is union or not was a state decision at some time in the past and is essentially irrelevant to the current funding.

Thanks.

same thing...the money is a bailout, no matter how much lipstick is smeared over it

173 laZardo  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:54:01am

re: #138 thedopefishlives

Skip the facepalm - go right to the queen mother of idiot responses, the Double Facepalm.

Why stop with two? On two different people?

174 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:56:16am

re: #173 laZardo

Why stop with two? On two different people?

Because it's bad enough that you made the Captain facepalm; now you've got Number One doing it, too. The stupid, it burns.

175 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:59:27am

re: #160 lawhawk

More info here, including that former Sen. Stevens was on board. No word on survivors.

Oh, that just took all the wind out of my sails.

176 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 7:59:31am

Pentagon to cut thousands of jobs, defense secretary says

Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates said Monday that the Pentagon will cut thousands of jobs, including a substantial chunk of its private contractors and a major military command based in Norfolk, as part of an ongoing effort to streamline its operations and to stave off political pressure to slash defense spending in the years ahead.

Gates said he will recommend that President Obama dismantle the U.S. Joint Forces Command, which employs about 2,800 military and civilian personnel as well as 3,300 contractors, most of them in southeastern Virginia. He also said he will terminate two other Pentagon agencies, impose a 10 percent cut in intelligence advisory contracts and slim down what he called a "top-heavy hierarchy" by thinning the ranks of admirals and generals by at least 50 positions.

The reduction in funding for contract employees -- by 10 percent annually over three years -- excludes those in war zones.

Fuck!

177 albusteve  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:01:21am

Man without health care sues state over $2G fine

Michael Merlina was fed up, frustrated and seemingly out of options when he walked into Middlesex Superior Court last week and plunked down $275 for court fees.

With help from a few clerks, Merlina became his own lawyer and filed a lawsuit against the Massachusetts Health Insurance Connector Authority.

The 29-year-old North Reading glazier is fighting the $2,000 state fine for not having health insurance. In 2009, the first year penalties were in place, Merlina paid a $400 fine for him his wife.

it's going to get exceedingly interesting...fining workers for not buying a mandated product

[Link: www.bostonherald.com...]

178 laZardo  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:01:52am

re: #176 NJDhockeyfan

Pentagon to cut thousands of jobs, defense secretary says

Fuck!

Devil's Advocate moment, the military has built up a heavy bureaucracy during and even after the Cold War. A lot of good plans and project technology can get dangerously entangled and muddled up in that, so maybe it's time for streamlining.

179 albusteve  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:02:45am

re: #176 NJDhockeyfan

Pentagon to cut thousands of jobs, defense secretary says

Fuck!

what the feds consider 'fat' that can be trimmed...a sick joke on all of us...unions come first!

180 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:10:01am

OBL's cook gets plea deal - will serve sentence at GitMo's minimum security facility, but terms of deal and duration are sealed for now:

Ibrahim al-Qosi, a 50-year-old native of Sudan, who worked for bin Laden for years before the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, pleaded guilty last month to conspiracy and material support for terrorism as part of a pre-trial agreement. The case marked the first conviction at Guantanamo Bay under President Obama, whose administration had promised that reformed military commissions would offer greater due process and more transparency.

But the government and the defense, with the blessing of Judge Nancy J. Paul, an Air Force lieutenant colonel, have sealed the newly reached agreement, including the maximum sentence that Qosi can serve.

A spokesman for the military commission's prosecutors, Navy Capt. David Iglesias, refused to discuss the agreement or explain why it was kept secret, except to say the plea raises "security issues" and is to the benefit of both Qosi and the government.

Iglesias said Qosi's period of confinement would be made public after military officials review the record of trial, a process that he said could take several weeks. Another military official said the process could take several months.

181 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:15:47am

re: #109 cliffster

Octopus learns to open a jar


[Video]

The next dominant species after we take ourselves out maybe? Come back in a million years and Octopus will rule the world.

182 laZardo  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:17:28am

re: #181 Rightwingconspirator

The next dominant species after we take ourselves out maybe? Come back in a million years and Octopus will rule the world.

By evolving into tentacle monsters enslaving humans.

THE MATRIX IS PROPHECY.

/ homgzorz

183 abolitionist  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:18:01am

re: #181 Rightwingconspirator

The next dominant species after we take ourselves out maybe? Come back in a million years and Octopus will rule the world.

The making fire thing might be problematic.

184 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:24:37am

re: #182 laZardo

By evolving into tentacle monsters enslaving humans.

THE MATRIX IS PROPHECY.

/ homgzorz

Correct me if I'm wrong, the "tentacle monsters" of The Matrix were tentacled machines if I remember correctly, not living creatures. Or were they actually biomechanical?

185 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:26:22am

Fox News Host Announces Plans for Muslim Gay Bar Next to Ground Zero Mosque

Important news in the annals of publicity stunts today, as Fox News’ Greg Gutfeld announced on his blog—the truly unfortunately named “Daily Gut”—that he has aims to open a Ground Zero–area gay bar catering to Muslim men in the space next to a proposed mosque. “As you know, the Muslim faith doesn't look kindly upon homosexuality, which is why I’m building this bar. It is an effort to break down barriers and reduce deadly homophobia in the Islamic world,” the Red Eye host wrote, identifying the bar’s raison d'être. “After all, the belief driving them to open up their center near Ground Zero, is no different than mine.” Ahem.

Gutfeld insists, multiple times, that he is “dead serious on this one,” and announces that he has “spoken to a number of investors” about the project.


The guy's a comedian and he's on fox. That's two reasons to not believe anything he has to say. If he found some idiots willing to throw away millions of dollars then good for him. Even if they actually open the bar they'll close within six months. Nobody's going to care.

186 laZardo  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:28:45am

re: #184 Walter L. Newton

Correct me if I'm wrong, the "tentacle monsters" of The Matrix were tentacled machines if I remember correctly, not living creatures. Or were they actually biomechanical?

Super-advanced robots, I think. But I doubt they'll be keeping humans wired to battery capsules.

187 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:29:56am

re: #169 laZardo

Speaking of tea, and parties, I went to a launch party earlier tonight for this cellphone and managed to land a spot for the user trials. If I'm dedicated enough with the regular correspondence I'll be making to the manufacturer's forums, I can keep the phone. (:

Oh, and I got a drink stub for a free (non-Long-Island) iced tea.

That's pretty cool! Congrats.

188 Darth Vader Gargoyle  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:30:39am

re: #179 albusteve

what the feds consider 'fat' that can be trimmed...a sick joke on all of us...unions come first!

I spent 3 years on the Joint Staff and still don't really understand what JFCOM does, so I think we can live without them. This is a BRAC, not a RIF, so most of those govt employees will be offered other positions, not just let go.

189 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:30:46am

re: #185 Killgore Trout

There already is a bar next to the proposed location.

Look closely. That's the Dakota Roadhouse next door. It's a bar and restaurant. Been there for years.

And the rest of Lower Manhattan is crawling with bars.

190 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:32:12am

re: #189 lawhawk

There already is a bar next to the proposed location.

Look closely. That's the Dakota Roadhouse next door. It's a bar and restaurant. Been there for years.

And the rest of Lower Manhattan is crawling with bars.

Gutfelds plan is to open a gay bar that caters to muslims. No alcohol and open 24 hours.

191 lostlakehiker  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:33:09am

re: #9 SanFranciscoZionist

The white volunteer army? I thought this was the actual army they were playing for.

//good Lord

Umm, why ever would the (mostly) white, (all) volunteer army {not} want to see LeBron James and Dwayne Wade? The Army is a meritocracy. So is professional basketball. People who have learned to respect performance, dedication, and talent, and learned it as though their life depends on it because it does, are naturally going to respect performance, dedication, and talent in the realm of sports.

Race, schmace. The rest of American society would benefit from taking the same attitude as the armed forces and sports teams take.

Obama should be thanked for his show of respect for our guys and commended for making a good choice.

192 deranged cat  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:37:13am

re: #64 RogueOne

4chan is always funny and all.. until they turn on you.

193 CarleeCork  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:38:32am

re: #135 NJDhockeyfan

Stealth expert guilty of selling secrets to China


I feel like a need a shower everytime I read the comments after stories like this. Geez, what's wrong with people?

194 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:45:00am

re: #193 CarleeCork

I feel like a need a shower everytime I read the comments after stories like this. Geez, what's wrong with people?

Just a greedy POS with no loyalty to his adopted country. He should rot in jail.

195 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:45:10am

re: #190 RogueOne

Gutfelds plan is to open a gay bar that caters to muslims. No alcohol and open 24 hours.

Yeah, I sure gay muslims observe strict sahria law. It's not a good business model. The area is very expensive and even people with good business plans go bust. It's stupid and nobody's going to keep throwing money down that pit.

196 laZardo  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:46:22am

re: #187 RogueOne

That's pretty cool! Congrats.

Thankee. This is the first "smartphone" I've ever possessed and I really hope I can get to keep it, mainly because I'm sick of iPhones.

197 ShaunP  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:46:54am

re: #194 Spare O'Lake

Just a greedy POS with no loyalty to his adopted country. He should rot in jail.

That's a perfectly sane reaction. This one from the comments, is not:

That is what happens when you trust Indians or Jews with your top secrets info. Never trust Jews and Indians.

198 deranged cat  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:47:01am

re: #193 CarleeCork

i basically just avoid scrolling into the comments section. even in my local newspaper there are a bunch of ridiculous trolls..

199 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:47:21am

re: #190 RogueOne

That may be true, but if he's going to build his planned Islamic gay bar next to the 45-51 Park Place location, he'd be moving both the Dakota Roadhouse and the Amish Marketplace. I just don't see that happening in either case. He can't build across the street with that being 100 Church (and occupied by the Corp. Counsel of the City of New York, among others).

200 lawhawk  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:48:17am

re: #192 deranged cat

I could use the traffic. /

201 garhighway  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:48:47am

re: #172 albusteve

same thing...the money is a bailout, no matter how much lipstick is smeared over it

Of course it is: it is a bailout to state and local governments to keep them from adding even more people top the unemployment rolls.

In general, I don't like these kinds of transfer payments, as they make local voters less accountable for the state of their local government's finances. But good monetary policy says you spend more now to prevent unemployment to dampen the cycle.

This cycle has been so deep (because the problems at the end of 2008 were so severe) that the dampening effect of the stimulus payments has been less obvious. There is a difference, though, between "less obvious" and "nonexistent", and most of the economists that I read say that the stimulus was helpful. Some don't think it was big enough, and lots of people, myself included, are unhappy about one aspect of it or another, but in general it was the right thing to do.

202 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:51:20am

re: #176 NJDhockeyfan

Pentagon to cut thousands of jobs, defense secretary says

Fuck!

Keep in mind that the money being trimmed is going to be funneled back into the military, into the Afghan and Iraqi fronts. There's a lot of beat up equipment that needs replacing. They aren't actually reducing the budget at all.

203 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:52:02am

re: #195 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I sure gay muslims observe strict sahria law. It's not a good business model. The area is very expensive and even people with good business plans go bust. It's stupid and nobody's going to keep throwing money down that pit.

What's that you say - a Muslim gay bar with no alcoholic beverages is not the greatest business model?
BTW what's this bigoted "cater to Muslims" shit?

204 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:54:58am

re: #195 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I sure gay muslims observe strict sahria law. It's not a good business model. The area is very expensive and even people with good business plans go bust. It's stupid and nobody's going to keep throwing money down that pit.

I didn't say it sounded like a solid plan, just that it wasn't going to be a typical bar/restaurant . Personally, I think it's funny as hell and it would make one great Monty python sketch but I wouldn't want to invest actual money in it.

205 albusteve  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:57:28am

Still Oblivious To Meltdown's Cause

The misery won't end soon, because the federal government is repeating the very same mistakes that created the housing nightmare in the first place — including pushing banks to make home loans to people who can't repay them, and expanding Fannie Mae's and Freddie Mac's role in housing markets even as their losses mount.

massive vote pandering scheme gone wrong...this epic economic manipulation was wholey contrived by the feds, democrats specifically...but the denial is thick

[Link: www.investors.com...]

206 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:57:34am

Gutfelds bar reminded me of this story:

Christians and Strippers protest one another in Ohio
[Link: www.digitaljournal.com...]


hio Strippers tired of Christians protesting them turned the tables and set up their own picket lines Sunday morning. For four years it's been sinners vs saints in Warsaw and the girls are fed up with judgement being passed by churchgoers.
She is the "Devil with the Blue Dress On" and she is picketing Sunday services in the town of Warsaw at the New Beginnings Ministries Church. The adult entertainers have been congregating weekends in protest of those who protest them and their choice of employment.

Funny, funny, funny.

207 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:58:01am

re: #203 Spare O'Lake

What's that you say - a Muslim gay bar with no alcoholic beverages is not the greatest business model?
BTW what's this bigoted "cater to Muslims" shit?

Probably similar to the Christian Family store in my city that sells, ZOMG, Christian stuff.

208 laZardo  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 8:58:06am

re: #204 RogueOne

I didn't say it sounded like a solid plan, just that it wasn't going to be a typical bar/restaurant . Personally, I think it's funny as hell and it would make one great Monty python sketch but I wouldn't want to invest actual money in it.

"And if those shoes do not rank above 7.0 on the Meter of Fabulousness, then he shall be stoned to death."

/I never watched the full Monty Python & The Holy Grail. I'm sorry. ):

209 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:04:36am

re: #195 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I sure gay muslims observe strict sahria law. It's not a good business model. The area is very expensive and even people with good business plans go bust. It's stupid and nobody's going to keep throwing money down that pit.

It's possible it would work. First off, it would not just attract gay Muslims, even if that is the "theme." It's possibly going to attract a basically upscale gay crowd period, especially in that neighborhood (there are thousands and thousands of office workers in that area, and a lot of relaxing and socializing after work goes on there), and the idea that frequenting the establishment is also supporting a pro-gay cause, I think it would be very attractive to gay and straights who feel they want to make a point.

It would also give gay men a chance to socialize with an ethnic group that is not as accessible in general. After all, this is NYC, not the deep south or Mecca.

And I thought that Muslims in general, in the United States, were not that strict observers of sharia law. Or am I missing something.

210 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:06:11am

re: #204 RogueOne

I didn't say it sounded like a solid plan, just that it wasn't going to be a typical bar/restaurant . Personally, I think it's funny as hell and it would make one great Monty python sketch but I wouldn't want to invest actual money in it.

Sign: No Stoned Muslims Allowed.

211 laZardo  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:07:20am

re: #210 Spare O'Lake

Sign: No Stoned Muslims Allowed.

[Link: www.instantrimshot.com...]

212 albusteve  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:08:07am

What's Holding Back The Hiring? Start With Obama's 10 Job Killers

President Obama claims that he's concerned about "jobs, jobs, jobs," but he has signed laws, issued executive orders and approved regulations that create incentives for private-sector employers to lay off people or delay hiring people. It's no wonder high unemployment persists

pretty good summation of why we are where we are at this point...libs are gonna fume over this one....

"compulsory unionism"

[Link: www.investors.com...]

213 sagehen  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:10:00am

re: #209 Walter L. Newton

And all those gay guys who haven't been hitting the bars since they got out of rehab? They'll be thrilled to have an alcohol-free place they can dance and meet someone.

214 lostlakehiker  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:15:05am

re: #114 Spare O'Lake

Every religion is plagued by some extremists to some extent, however one must be careful to define the term.
"Religious extremism" as in violence, misogyny, intimidation and imposition of one's own views and beliefs on others...this is the enemy of liberty regardless of which religion it comes from.
"Street support" as in active support or even passive "wink-wink" support for the extremists is just as vile and subversive as the extremists are. Chickenshit failure to stand up to the extremists and fight them comes a close second.

The unfortunate fact is that conduct and teachings that fit our definition of extremism is, by the standard of "common usage", is not extreme in the context of Saudi Arabia, much of Pakistan, Afghanistan, official Iran, etc.

That is, their mainstream Islam, as taught in school and the mosque and put into practice in daily life, is violent, misogynist, bent on imposing its own will, intolerant of all other faiths, and willing to kill, retail or wholesale, as needed to achieve its ends.

On the other hand, it's easy to speak of "chickenshit" failure to stand up to extremists. The people of Iran have shown considerable courage. Courage alone is simply no match for the batons, machine guns, and motorcycles of the Iranian Gestapo, which goes by the name of Basiji.

We do not expect our POW's to stand firm forever under the kind of treatment these thugs mete out to teenage women who push the edge of the envelope and shout Allah Akhbar from a rooftop.

Official Islam, Iranian style, is not the only version of Islam out there. God bless those girls.

215 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:16:36am

Nice article in the Daily Beast re: Park51 Mosque:

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]


There is a war raging in the world today, not just between America and radical Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq, but within Islam itself. The two mosques—one a dream, the other a reality—belong, on paper at least, in the same neighborhood—blocks apart, and just blocks from where the World Trade Center once stood. Yet, the worlds represented by these two mosques could not be further apart.

We’re not being honest in our Muslim community about the violent ideology inside of our Muslim world that needs to be defeated, and so the war has spread beyond our community to include the Tea Party activists. In the name of political correctness, too many inside our Muslim community have been apologists for Islam, feeling defensive, but not being as brutally honest as the world needs us to be about this problem.

Read the full piece

216 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:18:01am

re: #215 RogueOne

Nice article in the Daily Beast re: Park51 Mosque:

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

Read the full piece

Yeah, be sure to read the full piece so everyone can feel secure that they're not being bigots by advocating taking away constitutional rights from Muslim Americans. Hey, a Muslim says it too! That proves there's no bigotry at all here!

217 lostlakehiker  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:19:14am

re: #163 garhighway

When you say "funding state and local unions", do you mean the feds are actually cutting checks to unions, or that they are cutting checks to local governments to pay employees?

The problem isn't that they're cutting checks to local government to pay employees. The problem is that those employees earn far more than they would in the private sector for comparable work. When so many have to make do on less and less, why should these few go to the front of the line and get more and more, paid for out of what little those with less have?

218 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:20:07am

re: #204 RogueOne

I didn't say it sounded like a solid plan, just that it wasn't going to be a typical bar/restaurant . Personally, I think it's funny as hell and it would make one great Monty python sketch but I wouldn't want to invest actual money in it.

I don't see anything funny about this. It's on par with the French neo-Nazis and their neighborhood pork parties, and you would be freaking out if someone proposed doing the same thing next to a church.

219 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:20:30am

re: #216 Charles

Yeah, be sure to read the full piece so everyone can feel secure that they're not being bigots by advocating taking away constitutional rights from Muslim Americans. Hey, a Muslim says it too! That proves there's no bigotry at all here!

I don't think you read the piece. She has nothing but nice things to say about the imam, and his family, that everyone is concerned about.

220 laZardo  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:22:11am

Midnight, bedtime. Nighty.

221 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:23:04am

re: #219 RogueOne

Such as:


The organizers of the mosque on Park Place are folks I recognize. One of the owners of the property for the planned mosque is a businessman, Sharif El-Gamal, who is married to Rebekah, an American woman from East Hampton, who converted to Islam, but who still wears shorts and tank tops in the photos posted on her Facebook page. She reads Goodnight Moon to her baby Jennah, her daughter Sarah, a toddler with locks of curly blond hair, and Peanut, the family cat. The couple and other organizers, such as my friend Ameena Meer, an advertising executive who once dated Salman Rushdie, want a moderate imam at the mosque, and have found one in Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf.

222 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:26:09am

re: #221 RogueOne

Oh please. Who do you think you're kidding? The whole purpose of that article is to side with the people who are against the Park51 community center.

223 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:26:43am

Well, looks like the bigotry is even taking over here. Lovely.

224 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:29:47am

re: #222 Charles

Oh please. Who do you think you're kidding? The whole purpose of that article is to side with the people who are against the Park51 community center.

That isn't how I read her piece at all. She stated her knowledge of the imam, his intentions, and her beliefs that he's being honest in his attempt/premise for the mosque. She also points out she understands why some would have a problem with the mosque being so close to ground zero, the same thing I heard a CAIR spokesman say on Morning Joe last week. I didn't see anything in her piece that suggested the mosque shouldn't be built.

225 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:30:56am

re: #224 RogueOne

That isn't how I read her piece at all. She stated her knowledge of the imam, his intentions, and her beliefs that he's being honest in his attempt/premise for the mosque. She also points out she understands why some would have a problem with the mosque being so close to ground zero, the same thing I heard a CAIR spokesman say on Morning Joe last week. I didn't see anything in her piece that suggested the mosque shouldn't be built.


What does a Mosque have to do with the WTC site?

226 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:31:15am

I swear, I have never seen anything like the deluge of intolerance that's been released over the Park51 project. It's beyond appalling. Has the whole country gone insane?

227 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:31:41am

re: #226 Charles

I swear, I have never seen anything like the deluge of intolerance that's been released over the Park51 project. It's beyond appalling. Has the whole country gone insane?

Yes.

228 ShaunP  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:31:54am

re: #226 Charles

I swear, I have never seen anything like the deluge of intolerance that's been released over the Park51 project. It's beyond appalling. Has the whole country gone insane?

-yes-

229 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:32:40am

re: #227 thedopefishlives

Yes.

re: #228 ShaunP

-yes-

Thirded.

230 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:33:07am

re: #226 Charles

I swear, I have never seen anything like the deluge of intolerance that's been released over the Park51 project. It's beyond appalling. Has the whole country gone insane?

Yes.
And it gives me a migraine.

231 cliffster  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:35:27am

re: #226 Charles

I swear, I have never seen anything like the deluge of intolerance that's been released over the Park51 project. It's beyond appalling. Has the whole country gone insane?

Some things never change

232 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:35:31am

re: #230 Varek Raith

Yes.
And it gives me a migraine.

Here's to the founders of the Order of the Aspirin Bottle, valiant warriors against the stupid or just outright crazy, who have earned numerous battle scars from pounding their heads against the desk in a heroic resistance against the creeping mental defectiveness.

233 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:35:39am

Yep. But it wasn't all that recently.

234 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:36:10am

MDS - Mosque Derangement Syndrome?

235 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:36:13am

This is what the lady says:


Years earlier, I had for the first time prayed in the front row during congregational prayer at a retreat on the bucolic banks of the Hudson River. The prayer had taken place at a conference, organized by the couple, Imam Faisal Abdul Rauf and Daisy Khan, and, unlike typical prayer arrangements, the imam had accepted parallel prayer sections for women and men.

We then drove two blocks north to 20 Warren Street. There, our pilgrimage ended across the street from a wine store, New York Vintners, below the gay bar, the 2020 Club, where an open door with “MASJID” in red stick-on lettering stood propped open, beckoning the way to the another mosque, missed in the hoopla over the “Ground Zero mosque.” The MASJID Manhattan, known in the Muslim community as “the Salafi mosque,” I explained to my son, embracing the rigid interpretation of Islam that is known as Wahabism.

I don't see the problem with admitting that there is a fundamental battle going on within Islam and this lady has chosen sides. I see absolutely nothing in this piece that can be used to say the mosque shouldn't be built.

236 RogueOne  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:36:33am

Bad block quotes.

237 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:36:39am

Worky.

238 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:37:43am

re: #234 wlewisiii

MDS - Mosque Derangement Syndrome?

*DS - Everything Derangement Syndrome. For people who have a paranoia about anything that threatens their worldview.

239 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:37:43am

re: #237 Cannadian Club Akbar

Worky.

Earn ToFurkey.

240 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:39:59am

re: #238 thedopefishlives

*DS - Everything Derangement Syndrome. For people who have a paranoia about anything that threatens their worldview.

"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party. An Elephant and a big, fat, white guy who is afraid of change."
-Peter Griffin

241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:40:06am
242 webevintage  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:43:24am

re: #226 Charles

I swear, I have never seen anything like the deluge of intolerance that's been released over the Park51 project. It's beyond appalling. Has the whole country gone insane?

Yes, it has and it is all President Palin's fault.

243 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:44:00am

re: #241 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, no.

I was just reading that

No confirmation that Stevens was on board, but doesn't look good

Stevens and O'Keefe are longtime fishing buddies and the former senator had been planning a fishing trip near Dillingham

244 Taqyia2Me  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:44:07am

I survived the "piss Christ" hoopla, it won't be difficult to survive the mosque hoopla. The country will too.

245 garhighway  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:44:25am

re: #217 lostlakehiker

The problem isn't that they're cutting checks to local government to pay employees. The problem is that those employees earn far more than they would in the private sector for comparable work. When so many have to make do on less and less, why should these few go to the front of the line and get more and more, paid for out of what little those with less have?

Fair point.

246 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:44:40am

re: #240 Varek Raith

"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party. An Elephant and a big, fat, white guy who is afraid of change."
-Peter Griffin

You know, I'm not afraid of anything. The GOP, the Democrats, no one, none of them can change anything that I would be afraid of, because no politician or government is responsible for making me happy, satisfied, proud or patriotic.

247 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:45:08am

re: #246 Walter L. Newton

You know, I'm not afraid of anything. The GOP, the Democrats, no one, none of them can change anything that I would be afraid of, because no politician or government is responsible for making me happy, satisfied, proud or patriotic.

Killjoy.
/
:)

248 garhighway  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:45:55am

re: #205 albusteve

Still Oblivious To Meltdown's Cause

The misery won't end soon, because the federal government is repeating the very same mistakes that created the housing nightmare in the first place — including pushing banks to make home loans to people who can't repay them, and expanding Fannie Mae's and Freddie Mac's role in housing markets even as their losses mount.

massive vote pandering scheme gone wrong...this epic economic manipulation was wholey contrived by the feds, democrats specifically...but the denial is thick

[Link: www.investors.com...]

The denial is thick indeed.

Did you read Greenspan's testimony about the financial meltdown?

Or is he in your "I hate the Feds" box so his opinions aren't valuable?

249 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:47:34am

re: #245 garhighway

Fair point.

..."in January 2009, Obama issued executive order 13496 promoting compulsory unionism among government contractors. The next month, he issued executive order 13502 requiring compulsory unionism for federal construction projects.

In March, Obama named Craig Becker to the National Labor Relations Board. Becker, formerly an attorney for the AFL-CIO and Service Employees International Union, is pushing the NLRB to rewrite union certification rules, making it easier for unions to gain a bargaining monopoly in workplaces..."

250 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:49:08am

re: #247 Varek Raith

Killjoy.
/
:)

was here?

251 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:49:25am

re: #248 garhighway

The denial is thick indeed.

Did you read Greenspan's testimony about the financial meltdown?

Or is he in your "I hate the Feds" box so his opinions aren't valuable?

It's Teh Soshcalists!

252 BishopX  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:50:34am

The NYTimes is saying he was on board. There were apparently 5 dead out of the 9 on board.

253 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:52:33am

re: #148 albusteve

Teachers unions cash in at expense of food stamp recipients

House members return to Washington this week for a special session that will include a vote on a $26.1 billion spending package intended partially to keep states from laying off teachers, a move some critics have called a “bailout for teachers unions.”

The Senate last week passed their own version of the bill, which cuts $12 billion beginning in 2014 from the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance, or “food stamps,” program
to help make the measure deficit neutral. Anti-hunger advocates and conservatives alike decried the move.

looks like the dems learned their lesson with regard to the last unemployment extention, paying for the benefit with spending cuts...but this is obscene...altho it has not passed yet

[Link: dailycaller.com...]

This is gonna hurt at the State level. Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) payments are administered by state workers who make about half of what the average teacher does. This is not a program that needs cut during a deep recession.

I'm a big fan of supporting teachers but I'm getting a bit tired of hearing them whine about how tough times are when other state and private employees are being laid off or furloughed. Most of the non-teaching positions haven't had any cost of living raises like teachers have in the past 3-5 years.

This is an example of the Feds using your tax dollars to make state policy from the national level. Of course who wants to campaign saying I cut a teacher so a family wouldn't go hungry?

254 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 10:23:58am

re: #214 lostlakehiker

The unfortunate fact is that conduct and teachings that fit our definition of extremism is, by the standard of "common usage", is not extreme in the context of Saudi Arabia, much of Pakistan, Afghanistan, official Iran, etc.

That is, their mainstream Islam, as taught in school and the mosque and put into practice in daily life, is violent, misogynist, bent on imposing its own will, intolerant of all other faiths, and willing to kill, retail or wholesale, as needed to achieve its ends.

On the other hand, it's easy to speak of "chickenshit" failure to stand up to extremists. The people of Iran have shown considerable courage. Courage alone is simply no match for the batons, machine guns, and motorcycles of the Iranian Gestapo, which goes by the name of Basiji.

We do not expect our POW's to stand firm forever under the kind of treatment these thugs mete out to teenage women who push the edge of the envelope and shout Allah Akhbar from a rooftop.
Official Islam, Iranian style, is not the only version of Islam out there.
God bless those girls.

No excuse for chickenshit behaviour inside America, though.

255 sagehen  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 11:00:20am

re: #217 lostlakehiker

The problem isn't that they're cutting checks to local government to pay employees. The problem is that those employees earn far more than they would in the private sector for comparable work. When so many have to make do on less and less, why should these few go to the front of the line and get more and more, paid for out of what little those with less have?

So you think teachers and cops and firefighters are overpaid? You think we should reduce their salaries, and if they don't like it we'll just find somebody who'll do the job for less?

btw, I'm unaware of a lot of "comparable work" in the private sector for firefighters or police officers.... or maybe you just meant teachers, because you're just not a fan of public education to begin with.

256 lostlakehiker  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 2:17:44pm

re: #85 wozzablog

they're already banning books, burning books, murdering doctors, blowing up clinics and rewriting school curriculum's.

But if we're keeping score, don't forget the ten doctors/health care workers murdered in Afghanistan this past week.

257 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 4:24:39pm

re: #256 lostlakehiker

keeping score? - yeah, really, try and keep up - thats not the point any of us are trying to make. thanks for playing though.


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