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1 bratwurst  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:31:04pm

When I saw the thread title, I was sure it was going to be this:

2 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:34:10pm

Hey, Charles. Quick thought: would it be feasible to set up emails that get sent whenever a specific member posts something? I think that’s a feature that would get a lot of use.

3 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 9:35:19pm

I always think of her version for James & Pete

4 cliffster  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 10:04:00pm

re: #2 JasonA

Hey, Charles. Quick thought: would it be feasible to set up emails that get sent whenever a specific member posts something? I think that’s a feature that would get a lot of use.

Actually, I was assuming there was already a feature that lets you auto-downding a post that comes in from a specific person. Was I wrong about that?

5 boxhead  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 10:50:41pm

After a few days off, John Stewart just destroyed the anti Cordoba House folks… Like shoot fish in a barrel. Our Constitution is special. And these supposedly pro America and pro Constitution folks act like they have never read it.

so sad….

6 Nimed  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 11:04:18pm

lol

The LGF Spy is really handy. Right now it’s telling me that cliffster, the serial stealth downdinger, doesn’t like a lot of comments. But it’s kind of weird to downding personal narratives, especially after bitching about downdings.

Better clean up that white foam in the corner of your mouth, cliffy boy.

7 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 10, 2010 11:19:11pm

Well, well, well… here I am, at an unusual hour of the morning, waiting to go to work for an unusual shift.

8 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:14:07am

Well, well, well… here I am, almost 50 minutes later, leaving at an unusual hour of the morning to go to work for an unusual shift. Filling in for a vacationing night shift worker in General Merchandise this morning and tomorrow morning, 2:00 am till 10:30 am… catch you all when I can.

9 freetoken  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:16:45am
10 freetoken  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:24:18am
11 Nimed  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:34:34am

Testing…

12 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:36:36am

Hey.

13 Nimed  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:48:41am

re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist

Hey.

Hey there, SanFranZ. Still awake? What’s up? I finally found an avatar that represents my aspirations in life. Celebrating with a silly music. :)

14 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:52:50am

re: #13 Nimed

Hey there, SanFranZ. Still awake? What’s up? I finally found an avatar that represents my aspirations in life. Celebrating with a silly music. :)

[Video]

Yeah, I’m up. Writing, listening to TV, feeling somewhat blue that I think I upset Reine a couple days ago.

I like the avatar. He looks very relaxed.

15 Nimed  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:56:08am

re: #14 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, I’m up. Writing, listening to TV, feeling somewhat blue that I think I upset Reine a couple days ago.

I like the avatar. He looks very relaxed.

Thanks. Upset reine? I can’t imagine that. What happened?

16 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:58:23am

re: #15 Nimed

Thanks. Upset reine? I can’t imagine that. What happened?

We got into it on a long thread about Prop 8. She seemed to feel that the concerns about polygamy being voiced had some validity. I said something about preferring people who were honest about not wanting gay marriage, and it seems, going back to the coals of that thread, that she thought I was talking about her.

I have to confess, the whole argument blew my ever-loving mind, but making Reine feel that I was sniping at her was not an objective.

17 freetoken  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:59:47am
18 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:59:57am

Hey, Summer!

19 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:02:08am

I guess I’m just in a grousy mood this evening. And looking over a couple recent threads didn’t help so much.

20 boredtechindenver  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:07:09am

Hugz, SFZ. I don’t think Reine will hold a grudge if you did upset her. Been a mood going on lately here. Personally, I think it is a combo of heat and male menopause or man periods.

21 Nimed  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:10:21am

re: #19 SanFranciscoZionist

I guess I’m just in a grousy mood this evening. And looking over a couple recent threads didn’t help so much.

Sorry I didn’t respond immediately. I think I remember that thread, and I really got the impression it was all clarified at the end, no?

Anyway, I really doubt she was upset with you considering that just about everybody else who discussed the subject with her was (if I’m remembering it right) harsher than you. And harsh is too strong a word here, I think.

22 Nimed  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:15:14am

re: #19 SanFranciscoZionist

And anyway, the gay marriage - polygamy parallel is, in fact, mind blowing. I’m surprised the whole discussion didn’t lead to more vehement reactions, frankly.

23 freetoken  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:17:10am
24 boredtechindenver  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:20:14am

So i am in the market to buy my first house at age 46. ( I should have bought 8 or 9 years ago, but i knew the market was on a bubble.)

This is one. I love the house except for the kitchen and main bath. The pictures show the kitchen. and the bathroom is even more 50s. Avocado green sink and tub. $210K seems high if it will take $25K to $30K to redo just those two rooms. The kitchen and one bath is carpeted, and the main bath has linoleum, and probably asbestos.

Strangely, i don’t mind the red and white cabinets in the kitchen. And I love the wall tile in there.

25 boredtechindenver  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:22:13am

add. I love the fireplaces, the hardwood, and the back yard. just the thought of living with the kitchen and bathroom until i either have enough equity or savings to redo both.

26 freetoken  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:23:30am

re: #24 boredtechindenver

Are you buying it for financial reasons, or is it a place you want to live?

27 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:24:57am

re: #22 Nimed

And anyway, the gay marriage - polygamy parallel is, in fact, mind blowing. I’m surprised the whole discussion didn’t lead to more vehement reactions, frankly.

Yeah. It’s just bizarre. I really didn’t know how to react.

28 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:25:09am

re: #22 Nimed

And anyway, the gay marriage - polygamy parallel is, in fact, mind blowing. I’m surprised the whole discussion didn’t lead to more vehement reactions, frankly.

Thanks for the advice and listening and all.

29 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:26:58am

re: #24 boredtechindenver

So i am in the market to buy my first house at age 46. ( I should have bought 8 or 9 years ago, but i knew the market was on a bubble.)

This is one. I love the house except for the kitchen and main bath. The pictures show the kitchen. and the bathroom is even more 50s. Avocado green sink and tub. $210K seems high if it will take $25K to $30K to redo just those two rooms. The kitchen and one bath is carpeted, and the main bath has linoleum, and probably asbestos.

Strangely, i don’t mind the red and white cabinets in the kitchen. And I love the wall tile in there.


Jesus, if I could get something that sweet in the Bay Area for that money!

It’s a cute place. Is it just you, or a family?

30 boredtechindenver  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:35:09am

re: #26 freetoken

Are you buying it for financial reasons, or is it a place you want to live?

re: #29 SanFranciscoZionist

Jesus, if I could get something that sweet in the Bay Area for that money!

It’s a cute place. Is it just you, or a family?

For living. My mother lives near by, and since my father died and even before, i have been doing the lawn. I currently live too far to get there mornings when it snows, and even though she is currently in better condition than I am, I would rather have the heart attack shoveling then her. The house I like is closer, and was just remodeled, but is 1 block off a truck route into a warehouse district. The block is nice, but not as nice. Neither is perfect. Truthfully, if the house i linked had a better bathroom, i would jump so fast. It is really a retro dream house. Unfortunately, the bathroom is 1950. I saw a pic online, but a simple description is the sink is on a countertop with plywood vanity, the tile is pink and the floor is black and green linoleum. Everything in there would have to go.

The kitchen really needs new counter tops and a new floor. A gas stove would just be icing.

31 boredtechindenver  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:35:41am

oh, and it is for me and SWMBO.

32 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:45:40am

re: #31 boredtechindenver

oh, and it is for me and SWMBO.

The bathroom sounds grotesque, but if everything works, I’d say go for it.

33 boredtechindenver  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:47:48am

Triple post be damned.

Sarah Rue is too skinny now IMHO. I thought she was hot when she was zaftig, rubenesque, had some junk in her trunk. I hope she is really happy and it is not because casting agents and directors weren’t hiring her.

34 boredtechindenver  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:51:18am

They keep hiding certain pictures from the red and white cabinets to the bathroom. If they get full price, it will be the fireplaces and hardwood. As i think about it, I will probably offer 190 with a top price of 198.

35 boredtechindenver  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 2:02:02am

This will be my man cave. Bookshelves, TV space and a terlet around the corner.

36 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 2:20:27am

Over at Blaclfive:

HILLARY THE CONQUEROR
POSTED BY UNCLE JIMBO
I only wish this was part of our diplomatic arsenal.

KABUL, AFGHANISTAN—As members of the international press looked on, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton rode on horseback through the streets of Kabul Monday, dragging the mutilated remains of Taliban leader Mullah Abdul Jalil through the dirt behind her. “Graaaaaggghh!” Clinton shouted as a frenzied crowd of supporters shot AK-47s into the air. Earlier in the day, Clinton had led a band of mercenaries through rugged mountain terrain to hunt down Jalil, whom the former senator eviscerated with a single stroke of her gleaming scimitar. U.S. soldiers marched alongside the triumphant, blood-soaked Clinton to the center of Kabul, where she ordered the Taliban leader’s gutted body be hung from the town’s tallest spire, where “all may behold it.” White House sources confirmed that upon returning to Washington, Secretary Clinton burst into the Oval Office, threw Jalil’s head down on the president’s desk, and let out a deafening war cry.

Sadly No.

ROFLAMO

37 Ojoe  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 2:20:56am

“Blackfive”

PIMF

38 freetoken  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 2:28:11am

re: #30 boredtechindenver

Well, just remember you are buying a place in which to live, and given the business of buying and selling houses once you buy one you probably will have to stick with it for a while. That’s why I asked for your purpose in buying. Make sure you like the place and the neighborhood.

39 boredtechindenver  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 2:33:42am

I grew up about 1.5 miles just east of there, in a neighborhood that was a little worse even then. Amazing what we think of as ritzy when we don’t know what we really have. SWMBO grew up in a neighborhood i could never afford (Parioli, google it, I actually had dreams about the area before i even met her, before i even was on the same continent)

We both hate moving, so it would be a long time before we think of doing so, barring misfortune.

besides, the back yard would make for great Denver Lizard parties.

If i weren’t a misanthropic anti-social kinda guy. K, i really ain’t even if i really am .

40 rwdflynavy  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 3:23:26am

Good Morning Lizards!11!!

Today’s Simpsons’ quote:

Chief Wiggum: Fat Tony is a cancer on this fair city! He is the cancer and I am the…uh…what cures cancer?

41 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 3:27:14am

re: #36 Ojoe

Over at Blaclfive:

ROFLAMO

Filtered through the wingnut media:

“New Arkancide outrage: Bloodthirsty Hildabeast mutilates suspected dissident.”

42 steve_davis  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 3:27:33am

Very odd. I was just musing yesterday about whether or not I wanted to learn “The needle and the damage done” by Neil Young, and here the phrase shows up this morning in a thread! I just got one of those GTR-1 gizmos that lets me practice bass and 6-string electric without waking everybody in the house. Psyche!!

43 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 3:35:39am

re: #6 Nimed

lol

The LGF Spy is really handy. Right now it’s telling me that cliffster, the serial stealth downdinger, doesn’t like a lot of comments. But it’s kind of weird to downding personal narratives, especially after bitching about downdings.

ahaha bummer man he downdung the truth whoo

If Cliffster would like to work in health care in portland so that he could bear witness to these marvelous specimens, I could totally hook him up

44 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 4:18:37am

Tiptoes in… looks around… takes off pants…

45 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 4:19:02am

re: #44 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Tiptoes in… looks around… takes off pants…

I put on my robe and wizard hat.

46 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 4:20:55am

re: #44 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Tiptoes in… looks around… takes off pants…

I never had mine on in the first place……

Mornin’, all

47 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 4:22:25am

How are youz guys doin?

48 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 4:22:33am

I’ve been checking the bottom comment a lot lately. Man, this Park51 project sure has brought out the best in folks……

49 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 4:23:15am

re: #47 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How are youz guys doin?

Ready for a long weekend away. I’m going On Vacation (tm) as soon as I get out of here.

50 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 4:23:43am

re: #47 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How are youz guys doin?

Good…..just found out yesterday that we’re having our first boy. wOOt!

51 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 4:23:47am

re: #48 tnguitarist

I’ve been checking the bottom comment a lot lately. Man, this Park51 project sure has brought out the best in folks…

On both sides, frankly.

52 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 4:29:51am

re: #51 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

On both sides, frankly.

When the dust settles, hopefully we’ll wonder what the all screaming was about.

53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 4:31:28am

re: #52 tnguitarist

I get kind of aggravated with all the personal attack stuff. Completely destroys debate.

54 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 4:33:01am

re: #53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I get kind of aggravated with all the personal attack stuff. Completely destroys debate.

No doubt. The name-calling…..oy.

55 rwdflynavy  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 4:35:18am

re: #53 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I get kind of aggravated with all the personal attack stuff. Completely destroys debate.

That is exactly what I would expect out of a Cake and Pie Loving Vegetarian Lint Licker LIKE YOU!!!!

Good Morning FBV!

56 rwdflynavy  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 4:36:32am

I have a confession….

I am a stealth updinger.

I go over old threads and upding those I agree with.

I’m so ashamed…
//

57 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 4:45:48am

re: #47 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How are youz guys doin?

Finer than a frog’s hari split three ways, FBV. How’re you?

58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 4:55:08am

re: #57 MandyManners

Finer than a frog’s hari split three ways, FBV. How’re you?

Awesome! I just found out I’m late for work! Oops.

Hello! I must be going! *Waves as he runs out the door!*

59 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 4:59:25am

re: #58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Awesome! I just found out I’m late for work! Oops.

Hello! I must be going! *Waves as he runs out the door!*

Oh, jolly well done!

60 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 5:04:34am
‘We Should Have Used Accurate Fire On Those Blocking Entry’
By YAAKOV KATZ AND JPOST.COM STAFF
08/11/2010 12:53
In Turkel Committee testimony, IDF chief says central mistake was not neutralizing those who prevented commandos from boarding Mavi Marmara, takes responsibility for flotilla raid.
IDF Chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi told the Turkel Committee on Wednesday that the IDF made a crucial mistake when it did not resort to accurate fire against those blocking entry to the Mavi Marmara Turkish aid ship as IDF Shayetet 13 commandos rappelled onto the ship from helicopters.
“The central mistake, including mine, was that we thought there were about 10-15 people on the ship, we will throw flash grenades, they will move away, and then we will be able to drop 15 soldiers in one minute,” explained Ashkenazi. “Here was the real error. We should have managed conditions to accumulate power in the quickest way. There was need to fire with accurate weapons and neutralize those who prevented the rappelling down of soldiers, something that would have decreased the the risk of harm to them. That is the central lesson for the next operation.”
When asked whether the plan needed to be changed after the first soldier boarded the ship, Ashkenazi stressed that the moment the soldier rappelled down from the chopper, there was no doubt that the operation needed to be continued. And that was the decision of the Navy chief.
“When someone comes at a soldier with an axe, the soldier will shoot,” said the IDF chief.
He also added that the IDF did not have sufficient evidence on the IHH organization. “The level of knowledge the IDF had on the organization was not like the level of information we have on Hamas,” or the Islamic Jihad. “We did not investigate the organization. It was not on our list of our priorities because it was not listed as a terror organization and was located in Turkey which is not an enemy state.”
In a clear break from the strategy of Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and Defense Minister Ehud Barak, Ashkenazi took responsibility for the botched flotilla raid in late May during his testimony before then Turkel Committee.
Ashkenazi told the committee that he was responsible for all IDF operations and that as the representative of the entire military there was no reason to summon additional officers or soldiers to testify before the committee.
In contrast to Ashkenazi who took responsibility for the raid on the Marmara, which ended with nine dead Turkish nationals, Barak on Tuesday placed the blame on the IDF, which he said was responsible for warning the government if “the mission cannot be carried out.” In the case of the flotilla the IDF did not warn, Barak said.
Ashkenazi praised the commandos from the Navy’s Flotilla 13 who boarded the ship and, according to the IDF, were lynched by a group of mercenaries. He said that the second soldier who fast-roped onto the boat from a helicopter was immediately shot.
“The soldiers legitimately opened fire and shot those who they needed to shot and not those who they didn’t need to shoot,” he said.
“I am proud of the soldiers that we have,” Ashkenazi told the committee. “The IDF is a transparent organization that learns from each operation and knows how to investigate itself.”
Ashkenazi also stressed the importance in preventing ships from docking, without inspection, in the Gaza Strip.
“The sea blockade is crucial in preventing terror groups from smuggling large quantities of weaponry into Gaza by sea,” he said. “An open sea will increase the threat against Israel.”
[Link: www.jpost.com…]


This is one of many reasons why the IDF is such a magnificent force: NO BULLSHIT.
Good Morning LGF

61 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 5:10:00am

re: #58 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Awesome! I just found out I’m late for work! Oops.

Hello! I must be going! *Waves as he runs out the door!*

RUN, BASTARD! RUN!

62 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 5:11:08am

re: #60 Spare O’Lake

This is one of many reasons why the IDF is such a magnificent force: NO BULLSHIT.
Good Morning LGF

Ban wants to leave open the option of having IDF soldiers testify, which Israel opposes.

63 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 5:12:07am

Gotta’ git.

64 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 5:15:09am

re: #62 MandyManners

Ban wants to leave open the option of having IDF soldiers testify, which Israel opposes.

I saw that - imagine my surprise that the UN whoremongers reneged on their assurances to the contrary. Israel is making a terrible mistake if it trusts anything that anyone affiliated with that morally bankrupt organization tells them.

65 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 5:18:43am

Ban Ki Moonbat

66 pharmmajor  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 5:23:52am

We know a remote farm in Lincolnshire where Mrs. Buckley lives. Every July, peas grow there.

67 andres  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 5:25:41am

I got this quote this morning in my terminal.

Obviously, a man’s judgement cannot be better than the information on which he has based it. Give him the truth and he may still go wrong when he has the chance to be right, but give him no news or present him only with distorted and incomplete data, with ignorant, sloppy or biased reporting, with propaganda and deliberate falsehoods, and you destroy his whole reasoning processes, and make him something less than a man.
— Arthur Hays Sulzberger

68 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 5:29:52am

So I fucked up with the new feature here and picked email every comment. Regardless to say, I had 250 emails in my inbox this AM. Oy.

69 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 5:32:07am

Reine, get ready to get wet!!!
Image: 233014W_sm.gif

70 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 5:33:18am

Morning All!

71 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 5:36:31am

re: #69 Cannadian Club Akbar

Reine, get ready to get wet!!!
Image: 233014W_sm.gif

Yuck!
It’s gonna rain for days. Not looking forward to it. ‘Cept maybe it’ll cool things off

72 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 5:37:12am

re: #71 reine.de.tout

Yuck!
It’s gonna rain for days. Not looking forward to it. ‘Cept maybe it’ll cool things off

Raining here now. Again. Geez.

73 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 5:38:52am

My radio has a feature that lets people call in and voice their opinion. This is how I know we are doomed.
/half. Effing idiots

74 cronus  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 5:45:41am

Morning Lizards

U.S. stock futures fall sharply as economic worries weigh

To help support the recovery, the Fed said it will reinvest maturing mortgage-backed securities in longer-term Treasury securities in order to prevent its balance sheet from shrinking.

“With high unemployment, stunted income growth and tight credit still playing on investors’ minds, the news drew an understated positive reaction,” said Anthony Grech, head of research at IG Index.

75 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 5:46:02am
76 Ericus58  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 5:49:05am

Space station astronauts take 2nd crack at repairs
Associated Press Newswires 08/11/2010
Author: Marcia Dunn

“Space station astronauts are gearing up for their second spacewalk in five days and they hope to have better luck with the urgent repair job this time.

The International Space Station has been operating with only half its usual cooling capability ever since a critical pump failed one-and-a-half weeks ago.

On Wednesday, astronauts Douglas Wheelock and Tracy Caldwell Dyson will attempt to remove a failed pump that spewed toxic ammonia coolant the last time they tinkered with it.

Flight controllers have devised a new plan to avoid any more major leakage. They’ve already lowered the pressure in the disabled cooling line.

A spare pump would be installed during a third spacewalk this weekend. The first spacewalk was Saturday.”

77 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 5:57:35am

Get away. Even if just for a minute.
[Link: www.fla-keys.com…]

78 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 6:06:31am

Morning Joe has Weiner on again. Peter King isn’t there. They’re supposed to debate the responder bill that went down last week but they’ve already declared peace. Dammit.

79 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 6:07:20am

re: #75 Cannadian Club Akbar

Harry Reid is a douche.

Indeed.
Funny, though, that the best the GOP could put up is an ANTI-FLUORIDE CRUSADER nut to run against him.
XD

80 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 6:07:57am

re: #79 Varek Raith

Indeed.
Funny, though, that the best the GOP could put up is an ANTI-FLUORIDE CRUSADER nut to run against him.
XD

Funnier that she still might win!

81 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 6:08:58am

re: #79 Varek Raith

Indeed.
Funny, though, that the best the GOP could put up is an ANTI-FLUORIDE CRUSADER nut to run against him.
XD

Whoa? Fluoride? We suck.

82 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 6:09:45am

re: #81 Cannadian Club Akbar

Whoa? Fluoride? We suck.

Fluoride is for rich people.

83 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 6:10:02am

re: #81 Cannadian Club Akbar

Whoa? Fluoride? We suck.

It’s ok.
The world will end in 2012.

84 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 6:10:26am

Weiner and Joe are going at it! FIGHT, FIGHT!

85 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 6:10:56am

crap, I forgot I had to rewind my dvr so I’m about 45 mins behind if anyone is trying to find it on msnbc.

86 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 6:11:41am

Remember when Reid argued against all the attacks on Romney for being LDS? Me either.

87 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 6:12:28am

re: #83 Varek Raith

It’s ok.
The world will end in 2012.

Thank God. Cause I need to mow my yard in 2013.
/

89 Gus  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 6:15:56am

Fed Shuns Passive Tightening, No QE2 in Sight: Caroline Baum

Downgrading its assessment of the pace of the economic recovery from “moderate” in June to “more modest than anticipated,” the Federal Reserve took a symbolic step toward additional easing of monetary policy.

U.S. Trade Deficit Unexpectedly Widens to $49.9 Billion as Exports Decline

The trade deficit in the U.S. unexpectedly widened in June to the highest level since October 2008 as consumer goods imports rose to a record and exports declined.

90 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 6:17:52am

re: #24 boredtechindenver

So i am in the market to buy my first house at age 46. ( I should have bought 8 or 9 years ago, but i knew the market was on a bubble.)

This is one. I love the house except for the kitchen and main bath. The pictures show the kitchen. and the bathroom is even more 50s. Avocado green sink and tub. $210K seems high if it will take $25K to $30K to redo just those two rooms. The kitchen and one bath is carpeted, and the main bath has linoleum, and probably asbestos.

Strangely, i don’t mind the red and white cabinets in the kitchen. And I love the wall tile in there.

That kitchen is interesting, other than the carpeted floor.

Replacing the floor shouldn’t cost all that much - what else did you want to do in the kitchen? I’d be tempted to replace the floor (get some design help) and let it be.

Bathroom - ditto. You may be able to cover the linoleum floor with something else, and in a way that’ll pull the colors together so they don’t look so 50-60ish.

The asbestos, unless it’s disturbed and flaking, shouldn’t be a problem. If you have to remove it, that’s gonna cost you, along with the disposal of it.

I live in an older home (probably 70 - 80 years old), and I love it. It’s not all sleek and modern, but it has its own charm that the new places don’t. Small bathrooms compared to current construction, but you know what, I don’t live in my bathroom, it’s a limited use room. It doesn’t have to be big or fancy, I prefer the space elsewhere.

91 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 6:23:10am

Gonna eat a giant breakfast and a nap.

92 Gus  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 6:25:20am
93 Gus  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 6:36:06am

Clunk.

10,441.95
-202.30 (-1.90%)

94 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 6:36:49am

re: #93 Gus 802

Clunk.

10,441.95
-202.30 (-1.90%)

BUY GOLD

95 Gus  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 6:37:12am

re: #94 Varek Raith

BUY GOLD

Or a shovel.

/

96 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 6:37:46am

re: #94 Varek Raith

BUY GOLD

no no no, buy SEEDS

97 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 6:39:49am

re: #94 Varek Raith

BUY GOLD

I saw a gold commercial yesterday and wondered if they pay their spokespeople in gold.

98 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 6:43:19am

re: #96 wozzablog

no no no, buy SEEDS

Heck,plantSeeds…

99 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 6:55:50am

re: #97 RogueOne

I saw a gold commercial yesterday and wondered if they pay their spokespeople in gold.

Nah, they just cross palms with silver.

100 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:05:16am

good morning Lizards ….. just a quick visit thsi morning …. did anyone hear about Robert Gibbs getting all pissy at the “professional left?”

[Link: thehill.com…]

101 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:10:37am

I’m off to the local old age home to lead my monthly sports discussion group ….. will check back later. have a good one, everyone!

102 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:14:45am

re: #100 _RememberTonyC

good morning Lizards … just a quick visit thsi morning … did anyone hear about Robert Gibbs getting all pissy at the “professional left?”

[Link: thehill.com…]

That would be Robert Gibberish to one radio guy I heard the other day.

103 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:17:19am

Based on excited comments made this morning by the CNN TV news anchors, it almost sounds as if they would like nothing better than for the tropical storm to bring ashore a whole shitload of the “missing” oil from the Gulf. These MSM asswipes remind me of vultures when they act like this.

104 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:19:08am

re: #100 _RememberTonyC

good morning Lizards … just a quick visit thsi morning … did anyone hear about Robert Gibbs getting all pissy at the “professional left?”

[Link: thehill.com…]

Trying to attract independents by shoving the Lefties under the BHO bus?

105 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:19:20am

re: #101 _RememberTonyC

I’m off to the local old age home to lead my monthly sports discussion group … will check back later. have a good one, everyone!

So tell me, sonny boy, Mickey Mantle: did he hit one out lately?

106 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:21:38am

re: #104 MandyManners

Trying to attract independents by shoving the Lefties under the BHO bus?

It’s Bush’s fault.

107 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:42:40am

re: #97 RogueOne

I saw a gold commercial yesterday and wondered if they pay their spokespeople in gold.

Dunno, but the Norks are offering to pay some of their debts in ginseng.
Barter and in-kind payments are often hallmarks of bad economic times when cash is in short supply.

108 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:45:03am

re: #107 Spare O’Lake

I want a job where I get paid in gold. It would make me feel like a pirate.

109 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:50:09am

re: #101 _RememberTonyC

I’m off to the local old age home to lead my monthly sports discussion group … will check back later. have a good one, everyone!

Bless your heart!

110 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:50:45am

re: #106 Taqyia2Me

It’s Bush’s fault.

I’m highly amused that they’re bringing that back.

111 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:51:06am

re: #104 MandyManners

Trying to attract independents by shoving the Lefties under the BHO bus?

Maybe BHO is trying to invent a new right wing to replace the one that’s busy going over a cliff just now.
With Ayers and Medea Benjamin making nice with tea partiers, and Rush Limbaugh railing against the “ruling class,” the old wingnut right can join the moonbat left in the most important red/brown alliance since the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact.

112 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:52:16am

re: #108 RogueOne

I want a job where I get paid in gold. It would make me feel like a pirate.

Arrr, matey!

113 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:52:58am

re: #108 RogueOne

I want a job where I get paid in gold. It would make me feel like a pirate.

Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum?
And meanwhile back at the ranch, the flood of artificially cheap oriental imports continues to feed the US consumer’s addiction and to further worsen the foreign trade deficit.
[Link: www.financialpost.com…]

114 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:53:44am

re: #106 Taqyia2Me

It’s Bush’s fault.

in fairness his presidency was a freakin’ disaster, people are just tired of the whining that happens when its brought up ;)

115 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:54:14am

re: #114 windsagio

in fairness his presidency was a freakin’ disaster, people are just tired of the whining that happens when its brought up ;)

I would disagree, but that’s just me.

116 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:54:32am

re: #113 Spare O’Lake

Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum?
And meanwhile back at the ranch, the flood of artificially cheap oriental imports continues to feed the US consumer’s addiction and to further worsen the foreign trade deficit.
[Link: www.financialpost.com…]

I thought that was a good thing…
Least, that’s what I remember hearing…
:P

117 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:54:50am

re: #115 thedopefishlives

Pre root-canal jitters >>

Also most people on right now would agree with you, not me :D

118 cronus  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:55:55am

re: #25 boredtechindenver

add. I love the fireplaces, the hardwood, and the back yard. just the thought of living with the kitchen and bathroom until i either have enough equity or savings to redo both.


I’ve renovated a couple properties in this style as investments and have really come to like them as homes. The longer you are in them the more you appreciate the livability of the layout.

If there is no rush you won’t be hurt by waiting a month or two. I don’t know this market specifically but there is a ton of Fannie/Freddie REO properties hitting the market now and it will probably lead to listings like this one having to reduce another 5% or more. Again, every market is different.

119 cliffster  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:56:38am

re: #108 RogueOne

I want a job where I get paid in gold. It would make me feel like a pirate.

Arrr! awww

120 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:56:54am

re: #116 Varek Raith

I thought that was a good thing…
Least, that’s what I remember hearing…
:P

BUY AMERICAN GOLD!!!i!!!

121 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:59:06am

re: #117 windsagio

Pre root-canal jitters >>

Also most people on right now would agree with you, not me :D

Is this your first root canal?

122 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:00:18am

re: #121 tnguitarist

Lord no.

Actually more stressed about the money than the procedure.

This year I”ve had 5 teeth pulled, and am looking at 2 RC’s. Its been a bad year :P

123 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:01:20am

re: #122 windsagio

Lord no.

Actually more stressed about the money than the procedure.

This year I”ve had 5 teeth pulled, and am looking at 2 RC’s. Its been a bad year :P

Ouch, man, ouch.

124 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:01:45am

re: #117 windsagio

Good luck with the root canal.

I’m rooting that this technology pans out. It would mean the end of the need to drill out teeth for filling cavities, and would lessen or eliminate the need for root canals since the problems could be resolved easily and more quickly with the gel.

125 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:01:47am

re: #114 windsagio

in fairness his presidency was a freakin’ disaster, people are just tired of the whining that happens when its brought up ;)

President Obama, IMHO, seems to be following his lead in too many areas to be one of the main”Bush’s Fault” cheerleaders.

126 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:02:47am

re: #122 windsagio

Lord no.

Actually more stressed about the money than the procedure.

This year I”ve had 5 teeth pulled, and am looking at 2 RC’s. Its been a bad year :P

Just wondering. I’ve had 2 and they were the worst experiences. I would rather be punched in the face. Repeatedly.

127 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:04:20am

re: #122 windsagio

Lord no.

Actually more stressed about the money than the procedure.

This year I”ve had 5 teeth pulled, and am looking at 2 RC’s. Its been a bad year :P

Yet dentistry work is barely covered in most insurance plans, if at all.

128 cliffster  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:05:18am

re: #126 tnguitarist

Just wondering. I’ve had 2 and they were the worst experiences. I would rather be punched in the face. Repeatedly.

Heard the horror stories but I’ve been lucky enough to escape the need for a root canal despite having lousy teeth. I did have 4 impacted wisdom teeth that were removed with only local anesthesia. That was pretty much the same as being punched in the face repeatedly for 30 minutes or so.

129 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:05:26am

re: #124 lawhawk

That would be cool yes :D
re: #126 tnguitarist


All depends on the dentist you have. A good one is worth his weight in gold… a bad one is like getting kicked in the nuts about 180 times in a row.

130 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:05:55am

re: #127 tnguitarist

HEALTH CARE REFORM NOW, DAMMIT!

Quick, before 10:30 AM!

:p

131 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:05:57am

re: #122 windsagio

Lord no.

Actually more stressed about the money than the procedure.

This year I”ve had 5 teeth pulled, and am looking at 2 RC’s. Its been a bad year :P

Do you get the gas? I demand the gas, no other way.

132 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:06:02am

re: #110 MandyManners

{{{Mandy}}}

133 cronus  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:07:16am

Umm…ouch…

@mayoredkoch: …I weep for my friend, Charlie Rangel, war hero & statesman, humiliated by hubris & greed. God protect him.

134 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:07:25am

re: #131 Stanley Sea

hahhaa too cheap :D

Na this old guy I”m using now is good.

I’m usually down on the oldsters I know, but experience > all in dental work. Knows how to do the anesthesia fast and effectively, and does the work like a freakin’ pro.

135 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:07:56am

re: #133 cronus

Ed Koch is still alive?!

136 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:09:07am

re: #135 windsagio

Yeah, and he’s been quite busy working on trying to reform the political system in Albany.

137 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:09:56am

re: #129 windsagio

My first experience wasn’t too terrible. The second time it was a specialist that had the worst bedside manner on earth. Also, when I started groaning, I could hear the lady in the next cubicle laughing at me.

138 garhighway  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:10:16am

re: #103 Spare O’Lake

Based on excited comments made this morning by the CNN TV news anchors, it almost sounds as if they would like nothing better than for the tropical storm to bring ashore a whole shitload of the “missing” oil from the Gulf. These MSM asswipes remind me of vultures when they act like this.

If it bleeds, it leads.

139 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:10:36am

re: #137 tnguitarist

Was this your dentist?

140 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:10:53am

re: #137 tnguitarist

My first experience wasn’t too terrible. The second time it was a specialist that had the worst bedside manner on earth. Also, when I started groaning, I could hear the lady in the next cubicle laughing at me.

haha forgive me, I totally sniggered a bit at that story >>

141 cronus  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:11:50am

Best Recovery Evah!11!

Shiller sees significant likelihood of double-dip

There’s more than a 50% chance the economy is heading for a double-dip recession. And noted economist and author Robert Shiller tells MarketWatch News Break that the Federal Reserve may now lack the power to end the gloom and doom.

142 garhighway  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:12:40am

re: #135 windsagio

Ed Koch is still alive?!

Abe Vigoda, too.

143 cliffster  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:12:52am

re: #139 lawhawk

Was this your dentist?

I’m just a mean green mother from outer space

144 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:13:03am

re: #140 windsagio

haha forgive me, I totally sniggered a bit at that story >>

That’s ok. When it was her turn, she was almost screaming. I hate to be mean, but her karma was begging for it.

145 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:13:21am

re: #103 Spare O’Lake

Based on excited comments made this morning by the CNN TV news anchors, it almost sounds as if they would like nothing better than for the tropical storm to bring ashore a whole shitload of the “missing” oil from the Gulf. These MSM asswipes remind me of vultures when they act like this.

LOL.
They’ve been acting like this the whole time.

Many of the Alabama/Florida tourist areas had minimal oil coming onto the beaches. They ALL suffered from greatly reduced tourism because of the panicked reporting.

Not that there was nothing to be panicked and upset about, that oil spill was awful. But what they failed to notice was that conditions here in the Gulf of Mexico are substantially different than they are in Alaska; and the oil is different. Luckily, the oil didn’t get into that loop current; we may have had a different story if it had. Otherwise (and fortunately), it appears most of it (up to 75% of it) evaporated before it hit shore, due to the very hot weather conditions.

Why hasn’t Obama called in those skimmers? Why hasn’t Jindal called up the National Guard? Where are all the workers? Well, the skimmers couldn’t find much oil, and there was little to do onshore. The biggest issue was trying to keep the oil from getting into marshland, where it would have been nigh near impossible to clean up.

146 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:13:31am

re: #141 cronus

heard a depressing bit on NPR that basically said ‘companies are largely doing well now, but they’re intentionally making due with fewer workers’.

Its much cheaper to scare the hell out of your employees to squeeze out extra productivity than it is to hire more workers.

147 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:13:53am

re: #144 tnguitarist

Wait…. you could see her point totals? ////

148 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:14:02am

re: #144 tnguitarist

That’s ok. When it was her turn, she was almost screaming. I hate to be mean, but her karma was begging for it.

:D

149 Slap  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:14:39am

re: #42 steve_davis

Very odd. I was just musing yesterday about whether or not I wanted to learn “The needle and the damage done” by Neil Young, and here the phrase shows up this morning in a thread! I just got one of those GTR-1 gizmos that lets me practice bass and 6-string electric without waking everybody in the house. Psyche!!

Don’ forget to drop the E down to D!

150 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:14:49am

re: #139 lawhawk

Was this your dentist?


[Video]

This is really psyching Wind up I bet.

151 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:14:57am

re: #145 reine.de.tout

Nothing drives ratings like a good panic…

Except maybe a missing kid. We’re still freakin’ swamped up here with that Horman story.

152 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:15:18am

re: #147 lawhawk

Wait… you could see her point totals? ///

Yes…..it was in the red and I was downdinging like a madman.

153 garhighway  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:15:20am

re: #141 cronus

Robert Shiller tells MarketWatch News Break that the Federal Reserve may now lack the power to end the gloom and doom.

Best Recovery Evah!11!

Shiller sees significant likelihood of double-dip

The Fed never had that power: monetary policy was out of gas back in 2008, since you really can’t reduce interest rates below zero. What other tricks would the Fed have?

154 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:15:38am

re: #114 windsagio

in fairness his presidency was a freakin’ disaster, people are just tired of the whining that happens when its brought up ;)

Also, some folks have a different opinion than the presidency was a “freakin’ disaster” - not the best presidency in the world, but far from a “freakin’ disaster”, and some folks are tired of the whining about the Bush presidency.

As to your root canal - I’ve had several, and none of them were painful one bit. After the first one I had, I had to wonder what all the fuss was about.

155 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:16:56am

re: #137 tnguitarist

My first experience wasn’t too terrible. The second time it was a specialist that had the worst bedside manner on earth. Also, when I started groaning, I could hear the lady in the next cubicle laughing at me.

That’s almost bad as when you catch a glimpse of the dentist copping a feel on the assistant while he’s got the drill humming away at the back of your mouth.

156 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:17:35am

re: #155 Spare O’Lake

Lordy lordy lordy. That’s a Sgt. Schultz moment there, if there ever was one.

157 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:18:02am

re: #155 Spare O’Lake

That’s almost bad as when you catch a glimpse of the dentist copping a feel on the assistant while he’s got the drill humming away at the back of your mouth.

Better the assistant than the patient.

158 cliffster  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:19:23am
159 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:19:48am

re: #155 Spare O’Lake

That’s almost bad as when you catch a glimpse of the dentist copping a feel on the assistant while he’s got the drill humming away at the back of your mouth.

Damn!!

160 KingKenrod  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:20:17am

re: #146 windsagio

heard a depressing bit on NPR that basically said ‘companies are largely doing well now, but they’re intentionally making due with fewer workers’.

Its much cheaper to scare the hell out of your employees to squeeze out extra productivity than it is to hire more workers.

It’s also more risky to hire employees when you aren’t sure where the economy is heading.

161 cronus  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:20:34am

re: #146 windsagio

heard a depressing bit on NPR that basically said ‘companies are largely doing well now, but they’re intentionally making due with fewer workers’.

Its much cheaper to scare the hell out of your employees to squeeze out extra productivity than it is to hire more workers.

Large company earnings have generally been strong but their forward guidance is tepid. And too high a percentage of corporate profits is still being derived from cost cutting and not revenue growth. Small business confidence is also low. I don’t think anyone is trying to scare their labor pool into anything. Business is legitimately concerned about the strength of the recovery and that’s driving their hiring or lack there of.

162 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:21:39am

Anyhoo; gonna game for a little bit, then head out. Hopefully they at least give me drugs :D


You guys have a good morning! (Ladies too!)

163 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:22:16am

re: #160 KingKenrod

It’s also more risky to hire employees when you aren’t sure where the economy is heading.

This, really. The major factors that I’ve seen playing into current corporate decisions stem from wide-ranging uncertainty. “Cautiously optimistic” would describe the management attitude, I’d say.

164 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:22:51am

Documents suggest Demjanjuk link to 2nd Nazi camp

MUNICH – A German historian on Wednesday presented evidence at the trial of John Demjanjuk that suggested he worked as a guard at the Nazis’ Flossenbuerg concentration camp.

Matthias Meissner of Germany’s Federal Archive showed the Munich state court original documents from Flossenbuerg listing a man called “Demianiuk” and “Demenjuk” as a guard there in October 1943.

The ID number on the card was the same as on the key piece of evidence in the trial — a Nazi-issued identity card that the prosecution says carried Demjanjuk’s photo and indicates he was a guard at the Sobibor death camp in Poland.

Although Demjanjuk isn’t charged with any crimes at Flossenbuerg, which was a forced labor camp rather than a death camp, the documents shown by Meissner could back up the prosecution’s allegation that Demjanjuk was indeed a camp guard and might later have been transferred to Sobibor.

Former Ohio autoworker Demjanjuk faces 28,060 counts of accessory to murder related to his alleged activities at Sobibor.

165 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:24:41am

re: #161 cronus

Large company earnings have generally been strong but their forward guidance is tepid. And too high a percentage of corporate profits is still being derived from cost cutting and not revenue growth. Small business confidence is also low. I don’t think anyone is trying to scare their labor pool into anything. Business is legitimately concerned about the strength of the recovery and that’s driving their hiring or lack there of.

I can only speak from personal experience - I’m filling in for someone on maternity leave this summer - commercial construction - large company in So Cal. They are busy as hell, hiring 2 more people in this office.

166 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:25:16am

re: #162 windsagio

Anyhoo; gonna game for a little bit, then head out. Hopefully they at least give me drugs :D

You guys have a good morning! (Ladies too!)

Oh, yeah.
The drugs were the best part, IIRC.

167 cronus  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:25:40am

re: #153 garhighway

The Fed never had that power: monetary policy was out of gas back in 2008, since you really can’t reduce interest rates below zero. What other tricks would the Fed have?

Yesterday’s statement was a basic admission that the Fed is out of arrows. Buying Treasuries with its MBS portfolio feels like adding air to a tire with a nail in it.

168 cronus  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:29:44am

re: #165 Stanley Sea

I can only speak from personal experience - I’m filling in for someone on maternity leave this summer - commercial construction - large company in So Cal. They are busy as hell, hiring 2 more people in this office.

Anecdotally I’m actually seeing the same thing where I live. But that’s in a state that’s been less hard hit by the recession overall. Locally, commercial construction is improved. Residential construction however is a different matter…

169 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:32:24am

The math doesn’t work for GM, despite claims that an IPO are in the offing and that the feds are going to get their money back (and cede all or part of their 61% stake in the company).

During the middle of the last decade, in some of the best years the U.S. auto industry has ever experienced, the automaker racked up billions of dollars in losses. Now, even in one of the worst years the market has seen since the Great Depression, GM is moving solidly into the black. And with its increasing focus on foreign markets, particularly booming China, Whitacre & Co. insist the future is only brighter.

Which may be why the CEO also was broadly hinting last week that the entire government share, all 61 percent, could be offered up in the GM IPO. But the economics are daunting. The Treasury shelled out $40.7 billion for its 358.7 million shares. And if you have a calculator handy you can confirm that works out to $113 a share — even more when you factor in the cut the IPO’s underwriters will take.

Considering that Ford, widely praised as the current domestic industry success story, is trading at barely a tenth of that — though it also has 3.4 billion shares outstanding — it will be a stretch for GM to pull it off.

A stretch is the understatement of the day.

170 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:33:55am

re: #114 windsagio

in fairness his presidency was a freakin’ disaster, people are just tired of the whining that happens when its brought up ;)

That’s right, and CAIR is just a harmless advocacy group.

171 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:35:21am

re: #170 MandyManners

That’s right, and CAIR is just a harmless advocacy group.

They are just misunderstood.

172 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:35:27am

re: #132 NJDhockeyfan

{{{Mandy}}}

‘Sup with you?

I’m steeped in football. Those little boys beat the shit out of each other on the field. Pure aggression.

173 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:37:30am

re: #172 MandyManners

‘Sup with you?

I’m steeped in football. Those little boys beat the shit out of each other on the field. Pure aggression.

Sounds like fun. I have two girls so I will miss the football games.

174 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:39:08am

re: #164 NJDhockeyfan

Documents suggest Demjanjuk link to 2nd Nazi camp

Gonna’ make Pat Buchanan cwy.

175 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:40:02am

re: #173 NJDhockeyfan

Sounds like fun. I have two girls so I will miss the football games.

Just wait until they’re teens. You’ll be going to the games just to keep an eye on them and their beaus.

176 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:41:17am

My internet was out for 10 days and the other day when I got it back I checked my email. My friend’s son who is in Israel studying is about to join the IDF. He spent a month here and went back last week. His mom sent me a link about his group arriving in Israel…check it out.

His mom found this article and noticed he was in 3 of the pictures below the story. Not only that he’s sitting right next to Shimon Peres. How cool is that?

177 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:41:56am

re: #175 MandyManners

Just wait until they’re teens. You’ll be going to the games just to keep an eye on them and their beaus.

They will not have boyfriends until they hit 50.
/

178 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:45:27am

re: #169 lawhawk

The math doesn’t work for GM, despite claims that an IPO are in the offing and that the feds are going to get their money back (and cede all or part of their 61% stake in the company).

A stretch is the understatement of the day.

It’s the new math!

179 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:47:15am

GGAAHHH

That damn Racist Rush is at it again!!

[Link: www.facebook.com…]

[Link: www.facebook.com…]

180 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:47:55am

Imitation, flattery, and junk science all in one.

Saudis are in the process of finishing a new office complex that will house the world’s largest clock, which is loosely based on the design of the Empire State Building and Big Ben. It will be one of the tallest buildings in the world on completion, and the Saudis hope to get Muslims to utilize Mecca Standard Time instead of GMT.

But here’s where the junk science comes into play.

A standard time by which other clocks were set was needed to organise global travel and communications, but in the Islamic world the idea that it should be centred on a part of London is seen as a colonial anachronism.

As Mohammed al-Arkubi, manager of one of the hotels in the complex, put it: “Putting Mecca time in the face of Greenwich Mean Time. This is the goal.”

According to Yusuf al-Qaradawi, an Egyptian cleric known around the Muslim world for his popular television show “Sharia and Life”, Mecca has a greater claim to being the prime meridian because it is “in perfect alignment with the magnetic north.”

This claim that the holy city is a “zero magnetism zone” has won support from some Arab scientists like Abdel-Baset al-Sayyed of the Egyptian National Research Centre who says that there is no magnetic force in Mecca.

“That’s why if someone travels to Mecca or lives there, he lives longer, is healthier and is less affected by the earth’s gravity,” he said. “You get charged with energy.”

Western scientists have challenged such assertions, noting that the Magnetic North Pole is in actual fact on a line of longitude that passes through Canada, the United States, Mexico and Antarctica.

Greater claim to the prime meridian? Really? It’s a zero magnetism zone? Idiocy knows no bounds.

181 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:49:33am

re: #176 NJDhockeyfan

My internet was out for 10 days and the other day when I got it back I checked my email. My friend’s son who is in Israel studying is about to join the IDF. He spent a month here and went back last week. His mom sent me a link about his group arriving in Israel…check it out.

His mom found this article and noticed he was in 3 of the pictures below the story. Not only that he’s sitting right next to Shimon Peres. How cool is that?

How cool is it that Peres is sitting on the concrete with all those kids?
And met them at the airport to begin with!

182 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:50:38am

re: #180 lawhawk

Just re-set your clock to the 57 A.D. and nobody gets hurt!

//

183 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:51:50am

re: #181 reine.de.tout

How cool is it that Peres is sitting on the concrete with all those kids?
And met them at the airport to begin with!

My friend’s son is wearing the white baseball cap. He has his arm around Peres in the third picture. His parents are so proud! He was over my house a few weeks ago.

184 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:54:33am

re: #183 NJDhockeyfan

My friend’s son is wearing the white baseball cap. He has his arm around Peres in the third picture. His parents are so proud! He was over my house a few weeks ago.

That is so cool!

My son joined the IDF after a Birthright visit 6 years ago.

185 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:54:57am

re: #184 Alouette

That is so cool!

My son joined the IDF after a Birthright visit 6 years ago.

God bless him!

186 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:55:43am

re: #180 lawhawk

Imitation, flattery, and junk science all in one.

Saudis are in the process of finishing a new office complex that will house the world’s largest clock, which is loosely based on the design of the Empire State Building and Big Ben. It will be one of the tallest buildings in the world on completion, and the Saudis hope to get Muslims to utilize Mecca Standard Time instead of GMT.

But here’s where the junk science comes into play.

Greater claim to the prime meridian? Really? It’s a zero magnetism zone? Idiocy knows no bounds.

The Saudis are hard to beat when it comes to generating loads of completely empty horsehockey.

187 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:56:03am

re: #184 Alouette

That is so cool!

My son joined the IDF after a Birthright visit 6 years ago.

That’s great!

188 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:58:29am

re: #180 lawhawk

I hate it when they peddle shit like that.
Stuck in the dark ages.

189 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:58:34am
190 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 8:59:03am

re: #179 sattv4u2

GGAAHHH

That damn Racist Rush is at it again!!

[Link: www.facebook.com…]

[Link: www.facebook.com…]

If that’s supposed to somehow “prove” that Rush Limbaugh is not a race-baiting asshole, which he indisputably IS, try making an argument that makes sense next time.

191 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:02:00am

It’s really weird, and amazingly tone-deaf, that after everything I’ve posted about Rush Limbaugh and his long history of sickening race-baiting, we still have people at LGF who try to brush it off.

192 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:03:27am

re: #191 Charles

It’s really weird, and amazingly tone-deaf, that after everything I’ve posted about Rush Limbaugh and his long history of sickening race-baiting, we still have people at LGF who try to brush it off.

I don’t listen to Rush. XM radio plays some great blues music instead.

193 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:05:08am

re: #191 Charles

It’s really weird, and amazingly tone-deaf, that after everything I’ve posted about Rush Limbaugh and his long history of sickening race-baiting, we still have people at LGF who try to brush it off.

I’m not trying to make an apology for Rush, because I do agree that he’s said some stuff that’s really beyond the pale. I don’t even listen to him anymore. I do have to wonder how much of it he believes himself and how much of it he just throws out there for pure shock/”entertainment” value to boost his ratings.

194 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:06:01am

re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist

We got into it on a long thread about Prop 8. She seemed to feel that the concerns about polygamy being voiced had some validity. I said something about preferring people who were honest about not wanting gay marriage, and it seems, going back to the coals of that thread, that she thought I was talking about her.

I have to confess, the whole argument blew my ever-loving mind, but making Reine feel that I was sniping at her was not an objective.

You don’t recognize that there can be honest objections to both. To me, legalizing gay marriage is a mistake that can’t be averted. Legalizing polygamy is a mistake that can still be avoided.

The two are separate questions. Some here want both. Some want just one and not the other. The same must be true nationwide. The simplest, least disruptive path to making just the first mistake, (my perspective), or winning gays the right to have their arrangements recognized in federal law as marriage (the other camp’s perspective), is to sever the two issues and work toward gay marriage legalization in a way that closes the door to legalized polygamy.

You’d get, not converts, but allies anyhow, from my side, if you did it that way.

195 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:06:20am

re: #193 thedopefishlives

I’m not trying to make an apology for Rush, because I do agree that he’s said some stuff that’s really beyond the pale. I don’t even listen to him anymore. I do have to wonder how much of it he believes himself and how much of it he just throws out there for pure shock/”entertainment” value to boost his ratings.

What’s the difference?

196 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:07:16am

re: #194 lostlakehiker

You don’t recognize that there can be honest objections to both. To me, legalizing gay marriage is a mistake that can’t be averted. Legalizing polygamy is a mistake that can still be avoided.

The two are separate questions. Some here want both. Some want just one and not the other. The same must be true nationwide. The simplest, least disruptive path to making just the first mistake, (my perspective), or winning gays the right to have their arrangements recognized in federal law as marriage (the other camp’s perspective), is to sever the two issues and work toward gay marriage legalization in a way that closes the door to legalized polygamy.

You’d get, not converts, but allies anyhow, from my side, if you did it that way.

Please link to one person who advocates both gay marriage and polygamy. I have never seen this. Not once.

It’s a fantasy.

197 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:08:06am

re: #194 lostlakehiker

You don’t recognize that there can be honest objections to both. To me, legalizing gay marriage is a mistake that can’t be averted. Legalizing polygamy is a mistake that can still be avoided.

The two are separate questions. Some here want both. Some want just one and not the other. The same must be true nationwide. The simplest, least disruptive path to making just the first mistake, (my perspective), or winning gays the right to have their arrangements recognized in federal law as marriage (the other camp’s perspective), is to sever the two issues and work toward gay marriage legalization in a way that closes the door to legalized polygamy.

You’d get, not converts, but allies anyhow, from my side, if you did it that way.

Seriously? LGF’ers have voiced the desire for polygamy???

198 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:08:34am

re: #195 Charles

What’s the difference?

Well, with the former, he’s a complete asshole. With the latter, only MOSTLY so.

/shrug

199 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:09:07am

re: #195 Charles

What’s the difference?

Actually, it’s even worse if he’s such a cynical and manipulative media whore that he would prostitute his own beliefs for a buck.

200 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:09:28am

re: #194 lostlakehiker

polygamy is a red herring. You are smart enough to know it.

There is no relationship between a debate about whether there is any valid state reason to persecute people based on the gender of those they wish to marry,and the desire of people to marry more than one person.

Polygamy would fundamentally and drastically change what marriage is. Gay marriage doesn’t, at all, in any way, affect the legal aspects of what marriage is.

This is really tiring, you constantly pushing the OMG polygamy meme. It’s dishonest bullshit and you ought to be both smart enough not to do it and smart enough to realize people here realize it’s egregious bullshit on your part.

201 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:10:46am

Let’s just ban marriage all together and be done with it.
Problem.
Solved.
/

202 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:11:33am

re: #176 NJDhockeyfan

My internet was out for 10 days and the other day when I got it back I checked my email. My friend’s son who is in Israel studying is about to join the IDF. He spent a month here and went back last week. His mom sent me a link about his group arriving in Israel…check it out.

His mom found this article and noticed he was in 3 of the pictures below the story. Not only that he’s sitting right next to Shimon Peres. How cool is that?

In 2009, 3,814 immigrants arrived from North America, the highest number since 1983.

What’s up with that?

203 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:12:07am

re: #177 NJDhockeyfan

They will not have boyfriends until they hit 50.
/

LOL! Good luck with that, Dad!

204 Stonemason  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:12:29am

re: #201 Varek Raith

Let’s just ban marriage all together and be done with it.
Problem.
Solved.
/

nope, not marriage, all the legal/tax benefits and legal/tax penalties that come along with it.

That way the definition can be whatever those who choose to marry want it to be.

205 cronus  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:12:29am

Breaking News: HUD To Offer Interest-Free Loans To Distressed Homeowners

Washington (AP) — The Obama administration is providing $3 billion to unemployed homeowners facing foreclosure in the nation’s toughest job markets.

The Treasury Department says it will send $2 billion to 17 states that have unemployment rates higher than the national average for a year. They will use the money for programs to aid unemployed homeowners. Some of those states have already designed such programs.

Another $1 billion will go to a new program being run by the Department of Housing and Urban Development. It will provide homeowners with emergency zero-interest rate loans of up to $50,000 for up to two years.

The administration was required to launch the programs by the financial regulatory bill signed by President Barack Obama last month.

206 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:12:49am

re: #180 lawhawk

Imitation, flattery, and junk science all in one.

Saudis are in the process of finishing a new office complex that will house the world’s largest clock, which is loosely based on the design of the Empire State Building and Big Ben. It will be one of the tallest buildings in the world on completion, and the Saudis hope to get Muslims to utilize Mecca Standard Time instead of GMT.

But here’s where the junk science comes into play.


Greater claim to the prime meridian? Really? It’s a zero magnetism zone? Idiocy knows no bounds.

Think we can get MC Hammer to write “Mecca Time”?

207 sattv4u2  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:13:54am

re: #195 Charles

What’s the difference?

I believe the difference is that performers of every stripe don’t live like the characters they portray.

208 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:14:08am

re: #203 MandyManners

LOL! Good luck with that, Dad!

Heh.

209 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:16:55am

Speaking of polygamy,

A polygamist leader in West Texas has agreed to pay child support dating to 2003, when his then-wife left the sect with their eight children.

Frederick Merril Jessop, the bishop of the Yearning for Zion Ranch, signed the order in court Thursday. He will pay his former wife $148,000 for seven years of back child support.

Natalie Malonis, Carolyn Jessop’s attorney, said Friday that the bishop will pay $2,000 a month for the first six months and then $100 a month after that to cover the delinquent child support. Frederick Merril Jessop also will pay $2,450 a month to stay current.

SNIP

Asshole is skating. How long will it take him to pay it off?

210 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:17:37am

I hate to put a bummer on people, but I have said several times, and will again that I think polyamory should be legal.

No damn reason not to.

211 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:18:15am

re: #205 cronus

The same people who can’t afford to own the homes they’re in and are now facing foreclosure will get zero interest loans that they still can’t repay? How exactly does that help? The people who receive these zero interest loans are still incapable of repaying their existing obligations, let alone any new obligations. Even if they convert some or all of their existing obligations to the zero-interest loan, they still can’t repay (they’re unemployed). It means that the foreclosure process gets delayed just a while longer, meaning that the market readjustments take still longer and affordable housing remains that much longer out of reach for those who can actually afford the housing.

It’s not even a band aid when you’ve got massive hemorrhaging in real estate markets around the country.

Yet, it does look like a typical election year gambit to throw money at constituencies in the hopes of enticing voters.

212 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:18:21am

re: #210 windsagio

Actually, let me rephrase that, ‘polyamorous marriages’.

213 Firstinla  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:18:30am

re: #202 MandyManners

I can’t imagine what it must feel like to these young people who stand in Jersualem where their ancestors stood 2 or 3,000 years ago. Or what goes on in their hearts when they pray at the Western Wall. I keep them in my prayers.

214 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:21:36am

I don’t see why gay marriage and polygamy can’t be “legalized”. I’ve stated multiple times I’m all for taking the feds out of the marriage business altogether and I don’t see what right people have to decide for others what is or is not an appropriate relationship.

215 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:22:49am

re: #214 RogueOne

I’m onboard with that, the religious people and gays should both give up on the word ‘marriage’ too, at least as far as laws go >>

PS: If you’re going to demonize gay marriage go straight to pedophilia and beastiality, don’t waste our time on the trivial shit. (not you rogueone)

216 cronus  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:24:59am

re: #211 lawhawk

Yet, it does look like a typical election year gambit to throw money at constituencies in the hopes of enticing voters.

Exactly. I live in one of the more affordable markets in the county and $50,000 wouldn’t cover a home worth owning even in the worst neighborhoods in my market.

217 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:27:35am

Oh I should add, polygamy and gay marriage are totally different subjects anyways.

Slippery slope arguments are utterly, utterly stupid.

STUPID.

218 Stonemason  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:29:37am

re: #216 cronus

Exactly. I live in one of the more affordable markets in the county and $50,000 wouldn’t cover a home worth owning even in the worst neighborhoods in my market.

As I see it, that 50 grand is going to be used to pay the back mortgage payments owed, then, on top of the ‘regular’ mortgage payment the homeowner would have a payment on the 50 thou. Unless of course the mortgage company then lowered the payments in the amount of the new payment, but why would the bank do that? They have their back money, and now a precedent that they will just wait and get more, from the taxpayers.

219 cronus  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:39:14am

re: #218 Stonemason

As I see it, that 50 grand is going to be used to pay the back mortgage payments owed, then, on top of the ‘regular’ mortgage payment the homeowner would have a payment on the 50 thou. Unless of course the mortgage company then lowered the payments in the amount of the new payment, but why would the bank do that? They have their back money, and now a precedent that they will just wait and get more, from the taxpayers.

Cue the Administration criticizing banks for not helping homeowners take advantage of this program in 3..2..1

220 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:52:06am

re: #194 lostlakehiker

You don’t recognize that there can be honest objections to both. To me, legalizing gay marriage is a mistake that can’t be averted. Legalizing polygamy is a mistake that can still be avoided.

The two are separate questions. Some here want both. Some want just one and not the other. The same must be true nationwide. The simplest, least disruptive path to making just the first mistake, (my perspective), or winning gays the right to have their arrangements recognized in federal law as marriage (the other camp’s perspective), is to sever the two issues and work toward gay marriage legalization in a way that closes the door to legalized polygamy.

You’d get, not converts, but allies anyhow, from my side, if you did it that way.

I don’t think that providing legal recognition of gay couples (through marriage if it must be, or civil unions) is a mistake.

Polygamy is one I haven’t given a whole lot of thought to. I tended to believe that the legalization of gay marriage would NOT lead to attempts to legalize polygamy, and on that thread, there were many who were trying to make the point that that’s a ‘silly’ leap to make. I believed it was a silly leap, as well. However, in that thread where so many were trying to persuade you (and others) that such a leap was a silly one to make, there appeared to be a great deal of support FOR polygamy. It seemed to me, as I read that thread, that those folks were proving the exact point they were trying to disprove - that after gay marriage is legalized, the next up would be polygamy.

I still think its appropriate for legal recognition to be given to gay couples. I still need to put some thought into the issue of polygamy.

But I’ll admit my eyes were popping when I realized the strength of support for polygamy.

221 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:55:07am

re: #196 Charles

Please link to one person who advocates both gay marriage and polygamy. I have never seen this. Not once.

It’s a fantasy.

Charles -
In the thread lostlakehiker and I are talking about, there were many there who either supported it, or didn’t think it was any sort of big deal.

Again, as I read through the thread, many folks were making the very point that they were trying to disprove - that is, that after gay marriage, polygamy would be next up on the agenda.

It may be the particular lens through which I read those comments that led me to that conclusion - but it sure seemed a reasonable conclusion to me at the time.

222 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:14:45am

re: #221 reine.de.tout

I think it was the lens you read it with, Reine.

Polygamy is fundamentally different. Marriage, per se, can’t apply to more than one person. That’s what marriage is.

So when we talk about legalizing polygamy, it’s actually a bit of a misnomer; it’s not possible to take our current laws and have them apply to anything other than a two-person relationship. The laws simply won’t function.

Legalizing gay marriage = not denying an already existing legal framework to gay couples.

Polygamy = entirely new laws, since current marriage laws assume that there’s only two people involved and this has a fundamental effect on all the rights, priviledges, etc. granted by the state of marriage.

223 blueraven  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:28:01am

re: #207 sattv4u2

I believe the difference is that performers of every stripe don’t live like the characters they portray.

Like Newt Gingrich?

224 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:51:08am

re: #109 MandyManners

Bless your heart!

Thanks Mandy

~blushing~

225 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:55:37am

re: #222 Obdicut

I think it was the lens you read it with, Reine.

Polygamy is fundamentally different. Marriage, per se, can’t apply to more than one person. That’s what marriage is.

So when we talk about legalizing polygamy, it’s actually a bit of a misnomer; it’s not possible to take our current laws and have them apply to anything other than a two-person relationship. The laws simply won’t function.

Legalizing gay marriage = not denying an already existing legal framework to gay couples.

Polygamy = entirely new laws, since current marriage laws assume that there’s only two people involved and this has a fundamental effect on all the rights, priviledges, etc. granted by the state of marriage.

Odbi - yes, I admit it may be the lens through which I read the thread.

But - to your statement here:

Polygamy is fundamentally different. Marriage, per se, can’t apply to more than one person. That’s what marriage is.

There are those who say that marriage, per se, can’t apply to two people of the same sex, and that a gay couple is a fundamentally different thing that a couple that comprises one of each gender. I suspect there would be many who would argue with you that polygamy is “fundamentally” different, just as today we have folks arguing with those who say gay couples are “fundamentally different”.

Just a point to think about. I don’t know if you read the thread in question. It was …strange. Several folks on that thread felt so blessedly sure that their own “take” on the issue is SO obviously the ONLY right one, they felt no need to even try to understand where anyone else was coming from, and accommodate them in what would be a small way, in order to accomplish the greater good of recognition of gay unions or marriages. I found it strange.

226 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:06:04am

re: #221 reine.de.tout

Charles -
In the thread lostlakehiker and I are talking about, there were many there who either supported it, or didn’t think it was any sort of big deal.

Again, as I read through the thread, many folks were making the very point that they were trying to disprove - that is, that after gay marriage, polygamy would be next up on the agenda.

It may be the particular lens through which I read those comments that led me to that conclusion - but it sure seemed a reasonable conclusion to me at the time.

Oh, well … I didn’t read that thread, so wasn’t aware of any of that.

My point is that I’ve never seen anyone seriously proposing legalizing polygamy in any real way, but I see the threat of it used all the time in “slippery slope” arguments by gay marriage opponents.

227 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:57:48pm

re: #179 sattv4u2

GGAAHHH

That damn Racist Rush is at it again!!

[Link: www.facebook.com…]

[Link: www.facebook.com…]

I’m so impressed.

228 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 2:00:32pm

re: #194 lostlakehiker

You don’t recognize that there can be honest objections to both. To me, legalizing gay marriage is a mistake that can’t be averted. Legalizing polygamy is a mistake that can still be avoided.

The two are separate questions. Some here want both. Some want just one and not the other. The same must be true nationwide. The simplest, least disruptive path to making just the first mistake, (my perspective), or winning gays the right to have their arrangements recognized in federal law as marriage (the other camp’s perspective), is to sever the two issues and work toward gay marriage legalization in a way that closes the door to legalized polygamy.

You’d get, not converts, but allies anyhow, from my side, if you did it that way.

Yeah, I don’t buy it. POLYGAMY? Are you INSANE?

229 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:03:22pm

re: #50 tnguitarist

Good…just found out yesterday that we’re having our first boy. wOOt!

You both rock! Congratulations!

230 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:09:02pm

re: #97 RogueOne

I saw a gold commercial yesterday and wondered if they pay their spokespeople in gold.

I do the books for a gold and silver buyer/reseller, and the answer in their case is “no”. They write checks for their advertising.

231 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:13:24pm

re: #143 cliffster

I’m just a mean green mother from outer space

Love that show. I had the pleasure of being Mushnik once, and I’m still good friends with the director, Dentist, Audrey, and the Voice Of The Plant. the only tough part was the ‘escape route” once I was swallowed by the Plant.


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THE IMPOSTORS - Don’t Get Mad (1980) Here's a band I sometimes skipped meals to pay the cover for in the early '80's - The Impostors. Johnny Campbell, the drummer, would also sometimes work as Jo Allen and the Shapes drummer when Jo Allen (also a ...
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Elizabeth Warren Introduces Sweeping Gun Control Plan Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren introduced a sweeping gun control plan Saturday with the goal of reducing gun deaths by 80% through executive action and legislation. "You've got to start with a goal. I haven't heard anybody else talk about ...
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