1 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:24:11am

Whenever someone calls Islam a 'way or life or a cult' I want to punch my self in the nuts.

WTF guys?!

2 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:25:08am

I loved the Woody Allen's building suggestion. Priceless.

3 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:25:46am

re: #1 windsagio

Whenever someone calls Islam a 'way or life or a cult' I want to punch my self in the nuts.

Maybe its just me, but that seems to be somewhat of a self-defeating manner of protest.

4 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:26:30am

re: #3 Radicchio ad Absurdum

Its like how a broken arm makes a headache go away >>

Just takes a lot of pain to numb out from the sheer bigotry.

5 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:29:39am

re: #4 windsagio

Its like how a broken arm makes a headache go away >>

Just takes a lot of pain to numb out from the sheer bigotry.

This is the principle behind the facedesk. Productive? Not hardly. But it helps give the body another source of pain to relieve the burning of Teh Stupid (tm).

6 pharmmajor  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:30:05am

re: #1 windsagio

Whenever someone calls Islam a 'way or life or a cult' I want to punch my self in the nuts.

WTF guys?!

Why? Wouldn't it make more sense to punch the whackjobs in the nuts?

7 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:30:53am

re: #6 pharmmajor

My arms don't seem to fit in the coax cable >>

8 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:31:18am

re: #7 windsagio

My arms don't seem to fit in the coax cable >>

Sharpen them down to points?

9 Political Atheist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:31:38am

What will it take to change this attitude? 1. Build the cultural center. 2. Catch Osama. 3. Perp walk him past the cultural center. 4. Due Process, then The Needle. 5. Celebrate at the cultural center.

10 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:31:47am

re: #8 Radicchio ad Absurdum

That would distract from the anguish too! I think we have a plan!

Anybody want a few buckets of blood?

11 albusteve  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:34:44am

re: #4 windsagio

Its like how a broken arm makes a headache go away >>

Just takes a lot of pain to numb out from the sheer bigotry.

current events must drive you nearly insane...that's some serious bravado

12 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:35:14am

re: #11 albusteve

The booze helps >

13 Political Atheist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:36:04am

re: #1 windsagio

Whenever someone calls Islam a 'way or life or a cult' I want to punch my self in the nuts.

WTF guys?!

Try getting a decent punching bag. All those bruises in all the wrong places would just be too difficult to explain.

14 albusteve  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:36:36am

Mike catches holy hell in poll

Mayor Bloomberg's popularity rating has dropped to its lowest level in five years, in part because of his ardent defense of a proposed mosque several blocks from Ground Zero, according to a poll released yesterday.

New Yorkers' approval of their third-term mayor (pictured) dipped to 49 percent, down from 56 percent in April, as 53 percent of those surveyed said they disagree with his position on the mosque, according to the Marist survey.

"The mosque is not doing him any good . . . He's certainly on the wrong side of public opinion on that in the city," said pollster Lee Miringoff, director of Marist College's Institute for Public Opinion.

Read more: [Link: www.nypost.com...]

15 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:37:46am

re: #14 albusteve

Mike catches holy hell in poll

Mayor Bloomberg's popularity rating has dropped to its lowest level in five years, in part because of his ardent defense of a proposed mosque several blocks from Ground Zero, according to a poll released yesterday.

New Yorkers' approval of their third-term mayor (pictured) dipped to 49 percent, down from 56 percent in April, as 53 percent of those surveyed said they disagree with his position on the mosque, according to the Marist survey.

"The mosque is not doing him any good . . . He's certainly on the wrong side of public opinion on that in the city," said pollster Lee Miringoff, director of Marist College's Institute for Public Opinion.

Read more: [Link: www.nypost.com...]

The New York Post is distorting the results of that poll. I'm going to post something about it soon.

The fact is that a majority of Manhattanites SUPPORT the Cordoba House.

16 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:38:44am

re: #15 Charles

The New York Post is distorting the results of that poll. I'm going to post something about it soon.

The fact is that a majority of Manhattanites SUPPORT the Cordoba House.

I'm flabbergasted!
No!
Shocked!
No!...
...

17 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:39:26am

re: #15 Charles

The New York Post is distorting the results of that poll. I'm going to post something about it soon.

GASP! Shock! Outrage!!!11one

18 Firstinla  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:41:08am

I think the issue should be put to vote, giving the voters the option of either Park51 or a nuclear power plant.

19 albusteve  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:41:18am

re: #15 Charles

The New York Post is distorting the results of that poll. I'm going to post something about it soon.

The fact is that a majority of Manhattanites SUPPORT the Cordoba House.

I'd like to see it...as far as I know Bloomberg has been a very popular mayor...something is fishy, and no doubt there is a clash of agendas in there

20 Firstinla  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:42:04am

...on the site.

21 albusteve  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:42:22am

re: #18 Firstinla

I think the issue should be put to vote, giving the voters the option of either Park51 or a nuclear power plant.

no, that cannot happen...it would be meaningless and just cause more trouble

22 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:43:07am

re: #18 Firstinla

I think the issue should be put to vote, giving the voters the option of either Park51 or a nuclear power plant.

It's not up to the voters to decide what is built on that privately owned property.
They met all reqs for the center.

23 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:43:25am

re: #19 albusteve

heh puuullll it back.

~~~~

See y'all later, off to get my work done!

24 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:43:42am

re: #18 Firstinla

Aaah hate.

25 Firstinla  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:43:52am

I knew I should have put in that snarc tag.

26 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:44:20am

re: #25 Firstinla

I knew I should have put in that snarc tag.

:P

27 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:45:00am

"Hey! Jon Stewart stole my joke."

Great minds think alike in my opinion.

28 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:45:12am

re: #15 Charles

Here's the Marist poll press release.

Here's the Marist poll table, and it indeed shows that 53% of Manhattan residents support the construction of the Cordoba Initiative near Ground Zero. The other boroughs oppose its construction by hefty margins (53% and above). That's the only metric in the poll that finds support. When broken down by every other characteristic, there is little to no support (age, race, income level, education or religion). Note too that religion doesn't include those self-identifying as Muslim so there's no gauge as to how fellow Muslims feel about the proposal. The only other identifying metric that comes closest to support is that 49% of liberals polled support the endeavor, whereas 38% are opposed and 12% are unsure.

29 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:47:27am

re: #18 Firstinla

I think the issue should be put to vote, giving the voters the option of either Park51 or a nuclear power plant.

Yeah, who needs a zoning commission or the right to build a place of worship upon your privately owned land!

30 albusteve  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:48:00am

re: #28 lawhawk

Here's the Marist poll press release.

Here's the Marist poll table, and it indeed shows that 53% of Manhattan residents support the construction of the Cordoba Initiative near Ground Zero. The other boroughs oppose its construction by hefty margins (53% and above). That's the only metric in the poll that finds support. When broken down by every other characteristic, there is little to no support (age, race, income level, education or religion). Note too that religion doesn't include those self-identifying as Muslim so there's no gauge as to how fellow Muslims feel about the proposal. The only other identifying metric that comes closest to support is that 49% of liberals polled support the endeavor, whereas 38% are opposed and 12% are unsure.

53%...so just over half those polled are fair minded, you would hope the number would be higher

31 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:48:13am

re: #28 lawhawk

What is missing from the poll data to understand its accuracy/relevance is how many people were polled in each of the 5 boroughs to see whether there was a disproportionate number from outlying boroughs or whether there was a significant number of Manhattanites polled.

32 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:48:59am

re: #22 Varek Raith

It's not up to the voters to decide what is built on that privately owned property.
They met all reqs for the center.

Doesn't Con-Ed own half of the property? I thought I read that somewhere. Also Gov. Paterson offered them a different site to build it to ease the controversy I think.

33 albusteve  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:49:01am

re: #27 jamesfirecat

"Hey! Jon Stewart stole my joke."

Great minds think alike in my opinion.

I guarantee you Steward reads LGF

34 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:50:52am

re: #32 NJDhockeyfan

Both are true. Paterson offered up a solution that no one asked for. Con Ed owns one of the two parcels on which the CI would build, but the company doesn't have any right to refuse the demolition and construction of the community center.

35 webevintage  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:52:05am

I see The Disgraced Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich is very, very worried about what the Saudis do.
WTF?

Yesterday on the PBS Newshour some woman was upset about the Park51 thing because she considered ground zero her mother's grave and did not want a "mosque" so close to her mother's grave.
But a titty bar is OK?
I just do not get the logic of these folks.

36 webevintage  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:52:45am

re: #33 albusteve

I guarantee you Steward reads LGF

How cool would that be?
Hi Jon.....waves....

37 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:53:13am

re: #35 webevintage

I see The Disgraced Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich is very, very worried about what the Saudis do.
WTF?

Yesterday on the PBS Newshour some woman was upset about the Park51 thing because she considered ground zero her mother's grave and did not want a "mosque" so close to her mother's grave.
But a titty bar is OK?
I just do not get the logic of these folks.

I don't want a titty bar close to my grave, I want one on my grave.

38 albusteve  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:53:16am

re: #31 lawhawk

What is missing from the poll data to understand its accuracy/relevance is how many people were polled in each of the 5 boroughs to see whether there was a disproportionate number from outlying boroughs or whether there was a significant number of Manhattanites polled.

NBC is pushing the Marist poll too...
and then there is this,
[Link: stopthe911mosque.com...]

the dogs are loose

39 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:53:26am

re: #35 webevintage

I see The Disgraced Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich is very, very worried about what the Saudis do.
WTF?

Yesterday on the PBS Newshour some woman was upset about the Park51 thing because she considered ground zero her mother's grave and did not want a "mosque" so close to her mother's grave.
But a titty bar is OK?
I just do not get the logic of these folks.

It's real simple.
They.
Are.
Muslim.
If this were a Church center being built, do you think they'd be opposed to it?

40 webevintage  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:55:09am

Charles...the comment response thing in your mailbox is awesome.

41 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:55:33am

re: #39 Varek Raith

I just want to say that your avatar can shiver me timber any time she wants.

42 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:55:42am

The bit with Wyatt Cenac was classic. Having him conclude the story near a mosque. Gingrich's answer was puzzling to say the least. His logic seemed because the Saudis disrespect religious freedom we should do the same to Muslims here. And all the other protests of mosques around the country. Haven't people forgotten a little thing called religious freedom which is why so many of our forefathers came here in teh first place.

43 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:55:56am

re: #39 Varek Raith

It's real simple.
They.
Are.
Muslim.
If this were a Church center being built, do you think they'd be opposed to it?

If religious folks from that church attacked us and killed 3 thousand people I bet there would be opposition to it.

44 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:56:54am

re: #43 NJDhockeyfan

If religious folks from that church attacked us and killed 3 thousand people I bet there would be opposition to it.

So, Muslims from this nonexistent Mosque attacked us?
Neat.

45 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:57:01am

re: #43 NJDhockeyfan

If religious folks from that church attacked us and killed 3 thousand people I bet there would be opposition to it.

Soo... what people who are part of the Cordoba House had anything to do with 9/11?

46 ShaunP  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:57:02am

re: #43 NJDhockeyfan

If religious folks from that church attacked us and killed 3 thousand people I bet there would be opposition to it.

They're not from the same church. It's like blaming Catholics for something Episcopalians do...

47 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:58:23am

re: #46 ShaunP

Image is everything. Opponents to this project have portrayed an image, and it's sticking in the craw of many people, regardless of the fact that the image is quite twisted and distorted by the opponents to render the CI effort in the most sinister light.

48 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:58:24am

re: #44 Varek Raith

So, Muslims from this nonexistent Mosque attacked us?
Neat.

Did I say that?re: #45 JasonA

Soo... what people who are part of the Cordoba House had anything to do with 9/11?

Did I say that?

49 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:58:25am

re: #46 ShaunP

They're not from the same church. It's like blaming Catholics for something Episcopalians do...

Hell, let's just blame all Churches for the Priest abuse scandal.
9_9

50 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:58:37am

re: #46 ShaunP

They're not from the same church. It's like blaming Catholics for something Episcopalians do...

Yeah, Jonestown is such a black mark on all Christianity...

51 albusteve  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:58:52am

re: #45 JasonA

Soo... what people who are part of the Cordoba House had anything to do with 9/11?

who knows?, that's not the point....we are not a society of emotion and speculation...that would be chaos

52 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:59:17am

re: #48 NJDhockeyfan

Did I say that?

Okay. I must be stupid, because if you're not saying that then I haven't a clue what the point of that previous comment was.

53 KingKenrod  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 9:59:36am

re: #30 albusteve

53%...so just over half those polled are fair minded, you would hope the number would be higher

And where 86% voted for Obama.

54 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:01:33am

re: #37 JasonA

I don't want a titty bar close to my grave, I want one on my grave.

I want my grave on one...

55 albusteve  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:01:41am

re: #47 lawhawk

Image is everything. Opponents to this project have portrayed an image, and it's sticking in the craw of many people, regardless of the fact that the image is quite twisted and distorted by the opponents to render the CI effort in the most sinister light.

a sign of the times....image has hit the afterburners
the truth is dead in politics as far as trump goes

56 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:02:12am

re: #48 NJDhockeyfan

Did I say that?

re: #43 NJDhockeyfan

If religious folks from that church attacked us and killed 3 thousand people I bet there would be opposition to it.

If that's NOT what you're saying, we could use an explanation as to what you ARE saying.

57 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:02:16am

re: #54 ralphieboy

I want my grave on one...

Nah. I want to feel the stomping...

58 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:03:57am

If you wee the War on Terror as the "Clash of Cultures" between the "enlightened" West and "barbaric" ISlam, it is easy to see this cultural center as gloating over a "victory".

If you see the WOT as a clash between humanity and fundamentalism, then forbidding the Cultural Center would be a triumph for fundamentalists.

59 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:08:51am

re: #56 thedopefishlives

If that's NOT what you're saying, we could use an explanation as to what you ARE saying.

Say we were attacked by Catholic terrorists, they daily kill people around the world in the name of their religion, are arrested for planning terror attacks here and other countries, and they continue to threaten attacks, I wouldn't support a Catholic church near Ground Zero....would you?

60 Samita  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:09:34am

I love Stuart (Jewish) defending the rights of Muslims to build mosques!

61 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:10:51am

re: #59 NJDhockeyfan

Say we were attacked by Catholic terrorists, they daily kill people around the world in the name of their religion, are arrested for planning terror attacks here and other countries, and they continue to threaten attacks, I wouldn't support a Catholic church near Ground Zero...would you?

Yes, as a matter of fact, I would. Unless it could be proven that the guys building the church supported, materially or otherwise, the terrorists. Lumping all Muslims into "those guys that blew up the Twin Towers" is disingenuous at best.

62 garhighway  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:11:22am

re: #43 NJDhockeyfan

If religious folks from that church attacked us and killed 3 thousand people I bet there would be opposition to it.

Hey! Can anyone play this game? Here's my entry:

If people from that mosque built a time machine, came back to this time from the future and commenced to pillage Manhattan I would be pissed.

63 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:14:27am

re: #59 NJDhockeyfan

Say we were attacked by Catholic terrorists, they daily kill people around the world in the name of their religion, are arrested for planning terror attacks here and other countries, and they continue to threaten attacks, I wouldn't support a Catholic church near Ground Zero...would you?

but then you are making the argument that Islam is non-denominational?

There are atl east three strands of Islam, the same as there is in Christianity.

64 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:14:31am

re: #61 thedopefishlives

Not to mention that it's a bit of a disconnect to compare the Catholic Church, which is a single unified organization with definite structure, with "all Muslims". A more apt comparison would be to say, for example, some radical fundamentalist Christian sect blew up a mall and killed thousands of people, and now the Methodist organization wants to build a church in the downtown area a few blocks away.

65 Samita  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:16:51am

do this...

google maps for "church new york city" - basically uncountable ~1000 on the island alone
then "mosque new your city" = 8

Then check the distribution of them... there is a definite argument for the need of a Mosque just about in the location they want to build this one.

66 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:20:14am

What bothers me is that we send a crappy message to American Muslims by acting like this. We as a country pride ourselves on our freedom of religion yet there seems to be a vocal group of people who feel that oh freedom of religion is fine........but only if you're Christian.

67 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:22:46am

re: #66 HappyWarrior

There are some Christian groups that believe the "freedom of religion" clause was established specifically and exclusively for Christianity, and that "everyone else" can just shove off because they have no Constitutionally protected freedom.

The sheer egotism and bigotry of that is just staggering.

68 Stanghazi  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:23:02am

re: #66 HappyWarrior

What bothers me is that we send a crappy message to American Muslims by acting like this. We as a country pride ourselves on our freedom of religion yet there seems to be a vocal group of people who feel that oh freedom of religion is fine...but only if you're Christian.

A crappy message? Actually more like a threat.

69 brownbagj  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:23:31am

re: #1 windsagio

Whenever someone calls Islam a 'way or life or a cult' I want to punch my self in the nuts.

WTF guys?!


Before you read the next sentence, please position a video recorder to put you in full frontal view....


Islam a 'way or life or a cult, Islam a 'way or life or a cult, Islam a 'way or life or a cult, Islam a 'way or life or a cult.

Now, box it up and send it to AFV. We can split the 10Gs.

70 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:24:34am

re: #68 Stanley Sea

A crappy message? Actually more like a threat.

Yeah much better word. Seriously it is disturbing when you hear an elected official like that Lt Governor of Tennessee talk like that. One thing if it's some internet jackass but quite another if it's a guy with that kinda power.

71 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:27:03am

re: #15 Charles

The New York Post is distorting the results of that poll. I'm going to post something about it soon.

The fact is that a majority of Manhattanites SUPPORT the Cordoba House.

53%
[Link: maristpoll.marist.edu...]

72 Michael McBacon  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:34:12am

They took arr factory!

73 blueraven  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:47:27am

re: #28 lawhawk

Here's the Marist poll press release.

Here's the Marist poll table, and it indeed shows that 53% of Manhattan residents support the construction of the Cordoba Initiative near Ground Zero. The other boroughs oppose its construction by hefty margins (53% and above). That's the only metric in the poll that finds support. When broken down by every other characteristic, there is little to no support (age, race, income level, education or religion). Note too that religion doesn't include those self-identifying as Muslim so there's no gauge as to how fellow Muslims feel about the proposal. The only other identifying metric that comes closest to support is that 49% of liberals polled support the endeavor, whereas 38% are opposed and 12% are unsure.

That poll shows no breakdown of voter party. How many democrats, republicans, conservatives, liberals etc...

The only breakdown shown is this

This survey of 809 New York City residents was conducted July 28th through August 5th, 2010. Residents 18 years of age and older were interviewed by telephone. Telephone numbers were selected based upon a list of telephone exchanges from throughout the city. The exchanges were selected to ensure that each borough was represented in proportion to its population. Interviews were conducted in both English and Spanish. Results are statistically significant at ±3.5%. There are 696 Registered Voters. The results for this subset are statistically significant at ±4.0. The error margin increases for cross-tabulations.

The self identification of those polled hold a significant effect on the results, and should be included in any reliable poll. Maybe I missed that info?

74 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:00:22am

re: #18 Firstinla

I think the issue should be put to vote, giving the voters the option of either Park51 or a nuclear power plant.

Wow. You really support voting on religious liberties? You do know that half the lot is owned by the developers and the other half by Con Ed, right?

75 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:31:46am

re: #1 windsagio

Whenever someone calls Islam a 'way or life or a cult' I want to punch my self in the nuts.

WTF guys?!

Windy, when they say "do you want to harm yourself or others?" the answer is always 'others'.

76 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:32:39am

re: #2 RogueOne

I loved the Woody Allen's building suggestion. Priceless.

Why? You really want to see a movie about a neurotic old Jewish guy who has a mosque move in next door? You already know that it ends with him getting the gorgeous Pakistani girl.

77 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:39:08am

re: #59 NJDhockeyfan

Say we were attacked by Catholic terrorists, they daily kill people around the world in the name of their religion, are arrested for planning terror attacks here and other countries, and they continue to threaten attacks, I wouldn't support a Catholic church near Ground Zero...would you?

Catholicism has a central hierarchy.

Islam does not.

That wouldn't necessarily color my perception, but it's an important thing to understand.

78 boredtechindenver  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 3:33:05pm

re: #69 brownbagj

Before you read the next sentence, please position a video recorder to put you in full frontal view...

Islam a 'way or life or a cult, Islam a 'way or life or a cult, Islam a 'way or life or a cult, Islam a 'way or life or a cult.

Now, box it up and send it to AFV. We can split the 10Gs.

Sorry windy. i had to upding and giggle.


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