Gingrich: ‘It Doesn’t Matter What I Live’

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John H. Richardson’s profile of Newt Gingrich in Esquire Magazine includes this anecdote about Gingrich’s former wife Marianne, who was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis shortly before Gingrich revealed to her that he was having an affair.

She called a minister they both trusted. He came over to the house the next day and worked with them the whole weekend, but Gingrich just kept saying she was a Jaguar and all he wanted was a Chevrolet. ‘I can’t handle a Jaguar right now.’ He said that many times. ‘All I want is a Chevrolet.’

He asked her to just tolerate the affair, an offer she refused.

He’d just returned from Erie, Pennsylvania, where he’d given a speech full of high sentiments about compassion and family values.

The next night, they sat talking out on their back patio in Georgia. She said, “How do you give that speech and do what you’re doing?”

“It doesn’t matter what I do,” he answered. “People need to hear what I have to say. There’s no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn’t matter what I live.”

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497 comments
1 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:02:57am

Gingrich is just another long example in the hypocrisy of people who talk a great deal about family values but have anything but.

2 RadicalModerate  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:03:35am

Strange how all these so-called Christian Conservatives are quick on the trigger to condemn anyone who doesn’t fit with their narrow view of morality, but don’t think that they should be held to those same standards themselves.

3 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:04:34am
“It doesn’t matter what I do,” he answered. “People need to hear what I have to say. There’s no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn’t matter what I live.”

I’m no psychologist, but I think that’s a sign of a big ego problem.

4 Kragar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:04:37am

What a dick.

5 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:05:48am

re: #1 HappyWarrior

Gingrich is just another long example in the hypocrisy of people who talk a great deal about family values but have anything but.

They’re quick talk family values when it’s something they can bludgeon their opponent with. But as soon as it’s found that they’re slipping the pork to somebody that ain’t their SO, suddenly it’s all about how they’ve found “forgiveness” for their transgressions and how the country should not look too deeply into a politician’s personal life.

6 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:06:05am

“Turned me into a Newt!

I got better.”

7 Randall Gross  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:06:17am

Just another GOP family values hypocrite. It amazes me when these bible thumpers want to control everyone else’s social life — from bedroom to birth to marriage, when they can’t keep the divorce rates in red states down, nor the high rates of teenage pregnancy, nor the high rates of spouse abuse, nor the high rates of alcoholism and drug use.

It’s appalling that they preach to others how to live, when the average atheist has better morals.

8 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:06:19am

“It doesn’t matter what I do,” he answered. “People need to hear what I have to say. There’s no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn’t matter what I live.”

Does this really surprise anyone?

9 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:07:24am

re: #8 Radicchio ad Absurdum

“It doesn’t matter what I do,” he answered. “People need to hear what I have to say. There’s no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn’t matter what I live.”

Does this really surprise anyone?

“Do as I say, not as I do.”

Might as well be tattooed on the forehead of every politician.

10 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:07:35am

re: #8 Radicchio ad Absurdum

“It doesn’t matter what I do,” he answered. “People need to hear what I have to say. There’s no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn’t matter what I live.”

Does this really surprise anyone?

Surprise, no. Disgust—I can’t begin to say how much.

11 Kragar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:07:42am

re: #8 Radicchio ad Absurdum

“It doesn’t matter what I do,” he answered. “People need to hear what I have to say. There’s no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn’t matter what I live.”

Does this really surprise anyone?

Narcissistic much?

12 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:07:48am

re: #5 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

They’re quick talk family values when it’s something they can bludgeon their opponent with. But as soon as it’s found that they’re slipping the pork to somebody that ain’t their SO, suddenly it’s all about how they’ve found “forgiveness” for their transgressions and how the country should not look too deeply into a politician’s personal life.

Yep, exactly and honestly it wouldn’t annoy me so much if they weren’t so holier than thou to begin with.

13 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:07:52am

I hardly ever live up to the ideals of which I aspire to.

14 PT Barnum  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:08:00am

re: #7 Thanos

Just another GOP family values hypocrite. It amazes me when these bible thumpers want to control everyone else’s social life — from bedroom to birth to marriage, when they can’t keep the divorce rates in red states down, nor the high rates of teenage pregnancy, nor the high rates of spouse abuse, nor the high rates of alcoholism and drug use.

It’s appalling that they preach to others how to live, when the average atheist has better morals.

GOP- Deregulate business, regulate everyone else’s personal life
DNC - Regulate business stay out of everyone else’s personal life

15 AlexRogan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:08:21am

Do as I say, not as I do.

Real mature, Newt…

16 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:08:41am

re: #13 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I hardly ever live up to the ideals of which I aspire to.

At least you aspire to them instead of foisting them on other people.

17 AlexRogan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:08:53am

re: #9 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

GMTA!

18 PT Barnum  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:08:57am

re: #12 HappyWarrior

Yep, exactly and honestly it wouldn’t annoy me so much if they weren’t so holier than thou to begin with.

You see sex scandals among Dems occasonially but it’s not as big a deal because they make less of a show about being holier than thou the rest of the time.

19 Kragar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:08:58am

re: #13 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I hardly ever live up to the ideals of which I aspire to.

There is a difference between falling short of ones ideals and promoting one set of ideals while living by another.

20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:09:34am

My wife works in a cancer center as a Radiation Therapist.

Told me just last week, “You’d be stunned to know the number of men who leave their wives after breast cancer.”

21 cliffster  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:10:39am

re: #20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I wouldn’t be stunned at all. Men really ARE pigs.. it’s not just a saying.

22 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:11:18am

And one of the arguments against gay marriage is that homosexual men are unlikely to stay in a committed relationship. Take out the word “homosexual” and they might have a point…

23 PT Barnum  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:11:24am

re: #20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My wife works in a cancer center as a Radiation Therapist.

Told me just last week, “You’d be stunned to know the number of men who leave their wives after breast cancer.”

Why not buy a toy train instead? Serves the same purpose for most men…something to play with…fits their maturity level.

I think that sort of behavior is immature and reprehensible.

24 PT Barnum  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:12:00am

re: #21 cliffster

I wouldn’t be stunned at all. Men really ARE pigs.. it’s not just a saying.

Hey cliff! how the hell are ya? haven’t seen you in a while..

25 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:12:07am

re: #19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Oh, of course. Not excusing his behavior, it is off the charts hypocritical and narcissistic.

Well? At least he’s not running for President. (at least not any more)

26 albusteve  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:12:17am

re: #21 cliffster

I wouldn’t be stunned at all. Men really ARE pigs.. it’s not just a saying.

wrong, I’m a tailless ape myself

27 cronus  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:12:18am

No worries. Soon Gingrich will give a speech about how his sudden rise to national prominence filled him with hubris and colored his relationship with his family. He will proclaim that God has forgiven him and he has learned his lesson about the trappings of power.

In the next breath he will hint that Americans should now consider him for the most powerful political post on earth.

28 Stanghazi  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:12:26am

Take the time and read the entire Esquire article, it’s very interesting beyond the most salacious parts of Newt’s psyche.

29 Kragar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:13:04am

re: #22 JasonA

And one of the arguments against gay marriage is that homosexual men are unlikely to stay in a committed relationship. Take out the word “homosexual” and they might have a point…

There was a comedien who cited a study that said a person will decide whether they’ll have sex with a member of the opposite sex within 1 minute of meeting them. He said for men its more like 10 seconds and the answer is yes.

30 webevintage  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:13:09am
“It doesn’t matter what I do,” he answered. “People need to hear what I have to say. There’s no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn’t matter what I live.”

So that’s where President Palin learned the code….she is his best pupil.

31 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:13:12am

re: #20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My wife works in a cancer center as a Radiation Therapist.

Told me just last week, “You’d be stunned to know the number of men who leave their wives after breast cancer.”

All anecdotal. We need stats on how many men leave their wives as well as how many women leave their husbands after testicle/prostate cancer…

32 mojo9  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:13:22am

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Schmuk is the first thing i thought of.

33 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:13:43am

re: #18 PT Barnum

You see sex scandals among Dems occasonially but it’s not as big a deal because they make less of a show about being holier than thou the rest of the time.

Yep, seriously that’s what bugs me. The Republican Party and its supporters in the 1990’s hammered Bill Clinton for his extramartrial affairs yet time and time again we see their politicians get caught. It wouldn’t be such a big deal if they stopped playing this “We’re good Christians and our opponents want to turn your kids in to gay satanists.”

34 PT Barnum  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:13:44am

re: #22 JasonA

And one of the arguments against gay marriage is that homosexual men are unlikely to stay in a committed relationship. Take out the word “homosexual” and they might have a point…

Bob Vanderplaatz is a failed candidate for Governor here in Iowa who is trying to unseat several of the state supreme court justices because the court decided that the same sex marriage law passed here was unconstitutional.

The biggest threat to marriage is married people, whatever gender.

35 darthstar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:13:58am

Gingrich is a class(less) act.

36 middy  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:14:21am

I take back any endorsements I may have given for Newt in the past. He’s shown his true colors in the last year. Just another hypocrite pandering to the lowest common denominator.

37 Kragar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:15:02am

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Yep, seriously that’s what bugs me. The Republican Party and its supporters in the 1990’s hammered Bill Clinton for his extramartrial affairs yet time and time again we see their politicians get caught. It wouldn’t be such a big deal if they stopped playing this “We’re good Christians and our opponents want to turn your kids in to gay satanists.”

Most good Christians I know are self righteous snobs with a stick up their ass. The gay satanists sound a lot more fun to hang out with.

38 PT Barnum  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:15:25am

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Yep, seriously that’s what bugs me. The Republican Party and its supporters in the 1990’s hammered Bill Clinton for his extramartrial affairs yet time and time again we see their politicians get caught. It wouldn’t be such a big deal if they stopped playing this “We’re good Christians and our opponents want to turn your kids in to gay satanists.”

But that’s the mindset of their base.

Just saw an article today that said that Conservatives were much more likely to be shocked by a sudden change than Liberals.

I think that’s what we’re seeing now.

39 mojo9  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:15:45am

re: #11 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

and a legend in his own mind.

40 RadicalModerate  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:16:13am

For those individuals who don’t think that Rush Limbaugh engages in race-baiting, here’s his latest from yesterday’s program when talking about Michelle Obama’s overseas trip last week:

rushlimbaugh.com

And here it is. Here’s the reason again. The liberals in this country, the left, the elite who are walking around with a collective guilt of 200 some odd years over our nation’s slave past, over our discrimination past and all of the things that are a civil rights violation, all of these things, running around, it’s the animating factor of many sportswriters, by the way. It’s the thing that animates them. It’s the thing that animates a lot of people on the left. And Michelle (My Belle) Obama is descended from slaves, as the left has pointed out — not me.
[…]
Yet we get stories every day on the fashion consciousness and the trend setting fashion of Michelle (My Belle) Obama. So there’s clearly a double standard here.

And I do believe, not only is there a racial component, but there’s an ideological component. The left is gonna circle the wagons and protect its own regardless. But at the same time it’s just not possible for people who have been held in slavery and who have been discriminated against, it’s not possible for them to game the system or to act in excess, because so much is owed to them.

41 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:17:22am

re: #37 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Most good Christians I know are self righteous snobs with a stick up their ass. The gay satanists sound a lot more fun to hang out with.


I know a lot of Christians who just try to lead moral lives and quietly set an example without preaching.

But the quiet ones do not get as much attention as the pathetic blithering idiots who seem to have come to define the movement.

42 cliffster  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:18:05am

re: #24 PT Barnum

Hey cliff! how the hell are ya? haven’t seen you in a while..

Hey! I was on vacation all last week, and I swore off the laptop under penalty of death from my wife. All’s good - PGA Championship starts tomorrow so it’ll be a fun weekend. Hope you’re well..

44 darthstar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:18:51am

re: #42 cliffster

Hey! I was on vacation all last week, and I swore off the laptop under penalty of death from my wife. All’s good - PGA Championship starts tomorrow so it’ll be a fun weekend. Hope you’re well..

Cool…I’ll have to do some home office days so I can watch the golf while I work…

45 PT Barnum  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:19:07am

re: #42 cliffster

Hey! I was on vacation all last week, and I swore off the laptop under penalty of death from my wife. All’s good - PGA Championship starts tomorrow so it’ll be a fun weekend. Hope you’re well..

I’ve only said something deeply offensive three or four times while you’ve been gone. Missed you being here to be offended by it. :)

46 Kragar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:19:28am

re: #41 ralphieboy

I know a lot of Christians who just try to lead moral lives and quietly set an example without preaching.

But the quiet ones do not get as much attention as the pathetic blithering idiots who seem to have come to define the movement.

I will admit the “good Christians” I do know for sure are the ones who make it their business to constantly remind me of what good Christians they are, and how much better they are because of it.

47 PT Barnum  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:20:32am

re: #46 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I will admit the “good Christians” I do know for sure are the ones who make it their business to constantly remind me of what good Christians they are, and how much better they are because of it.

Didn’t Christ say something about that in the New Testament about tooting your own sanctity horn too much?

48 Kragar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:20:49am

Nasrallah: Israel murdered Hariri

“Since September 13, 1993, the date of the signing of the Oslo accords, Israel made up stories to convince former Lebanese prime minister Rafik Hariri that Hizbullah planned to kill him,” Nasrallah said, according to a Walla news report of his speech.

Nasrallah said he spoke to Syrian President Bashar Assad a couple of weeks before Hariri’s assassination, and that Assad told him – according to Western sources – that the world wanted to see Syrian troops leave Lebanon.

“That is the reason Israel killed Hariri,” Nasrallah said.

“Israel wanted to get Syria out of Lebanon.”

As proof of his theory, Nasrallah produced a tape of a man named Ahmed Nasrallah, who had been arrested in 1996 for allegedly spying for Israel. “I met someone who worked with Rafik Hariri and I told him that Hizbullah wants to kill him (Hariri),” the man was heard saying in the tape, referring to an apparent attempt to turn Hariri against Hizbullah.

49 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:21:17am

re: #46 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I will admit the “good Christians” I do know for sure are the ones who make it their business to constantly remind me of what good Christians they are, and how much better they are because of it.

I met enough of them to put me off Christianity, but the quiet ones have come near to converting me back. At least I am not as entirely down on the religion as I used to be.

50 darthstar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:22:46am

re: #47 PT Barnum

Didn’t Christ say something about that in the New Testament about tooting your own sanctity horn too much?

“Blow not your own vuvuzela, for it annoys, and my Father has little patience for that kind of crap, and will send your ass to Hell.”

51 cliffster  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:22:47am

re: #45 PT Barnum

I’ve only said something deeply offensive three or four times while you’ve been gone. Missed you being here to be offended by it. :)

I am enraged that you would suggest I have a short fuse.

52 albusteve  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:22:52am

re: #49 ralphieboy

I met enough of them to put me off Christianity, but the quiet ones have come near to converting me back. At least I am not as entirely down on the religion as I used to be.

the root of the problem is that people won’t mined their own damned business

53 Amory Blaine  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:22:58am

Gingrich is another Hand Over Heart Hypocrite.

54 cliffster  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:25:35am

re: #44 darthstar

Cool…I’ll have to do some home office days so I can watch the golf while I work…

Oh man, it should be great fun. It’s wide open. Tiger is shit, Phil has.. whatever weird arthritis he has.. Westwood has withdrawn. The twentysomethings are playing well, and the course is different from any other you’ll see here. Will be a great weekend to monopolize the TV.

55 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:26:15am

re: #8 Radicchio ad Absurdum

“It doesn’t matter what I do,” he answered. “People need to hear what I have to say. There’s no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn’t matter what I live.”

Does this really surprise anyone?

It’s not easy being human. We’ve got needs and those needs can trump ethics and morality from time to time if not kept in check - or at least negotiated if another party is involved. It wouldn’t be a big deal either, unless you’re someone who can’t walk the talk, as is the case here. No, I’m not surprised. From all I’ve read on Newt, his philandering behavior wasn’t a secret, and was in fact yet another large white elephant in the middle of the room, taking a huge dump, that no one cared to comment on, so long as the party line was being towed.

56 webevintage  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:27:15am

re: #50 darthstar

“Blow not your own vuvuzela, for it annoys, and my Father has little patience for that kind of crap, and will send your ass to Hell.”

Matthew 6 (from Ceiling Cat)


1 Dunt eatz ur cheezburgerz b4 udder kittez, cuz if u do you get no cheezburgerz from teh Ceiling Cat.
2 When you give cheezburgerz 2 n00b kittez, dunt brag bout it kthx.
3 when u give 2 n00b kittez, don’t tell your left paw, k?
4 If ur left paw dunt kno, you get teh cheezburgerz from Ceiling Cat.

Happy Cat tawt about prayz

5 so u be all leik MCHammertime and pray jus 2 make it 2day and stuff.
6 Ceiling Cat is watching you prostrate but u donut no he is tho.
7 ur pray shood not be made of fail.
8 Ceiling Cat knows what u donut hate.

Ceiling Cat Prayerz n stuffs

9 u pray leik dis: Praise Ceiling Cat, who be watchin yu, may him has a cheezburger.
10 Wut yu want, yu gets, srsly.
11 Giv us dis day our dalee cheezburger.
12 And furgiv us for makin yu a cookie, but eateding it.
13 An leed us not into teh showa, but deliver us from teh wawter. Ceiling Cat pwns all. Him pwns teh ceiling an flor an walls too. Amen. (sum aweforehtehz ad “srsly”)

14 if u sais sry Ceiling Cat will be leik s’ok iz kewl.
15 if u donut sez sry Ceiling Cat will pwn u.

Happy Cat tawt about hungriez

16 if you want cheezburger plz to not be cryin. U can has invisible cheezeburger.
17 if you want cheezeburger but can’t has, get ur hair did.
18 Ceiling Cat is watching you abstinate evn tho teh uthrs r lik “hay he luks good.” Srsly.

57 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:27:18am

re: #50 darthstar

“Blow not your own vuvuzela, for it annoys, and my Father has little patience for that kind of crap, and will send your ass to Hell.”

Rotating title nomination!

58 darthstar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:27:21am

re: #54 cliffster

I thought Tiger’s response in an interview the other day was pretty funny…he knows he’s shit this season, and simply told the reporter he thinks he could still beat him.

59 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:27:57am

re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nasrallah: Israel murdered Hariri

These morons haven’t produced any proof. What a fucking joke.

MESS Report / Nasrallah has no smoking gun tying Israel to Hariri murder

60 cronus  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:28:11am

OT: the late Mike Royko on the late Dan Rostenkowski:

The Rules Kept Changing; Dan Rostenkowski Didn’t

61 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:29:12am
62 Kragar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:29:14am

War drums are booming

Lebanon rejects US concerns over military help

BEIRUT — Lebanon’s defense minister says he would reject any American military assistance to the Lebanese army if it comes with conditions that the weapons not be used against Israel.

Elias Murr was commenting Wednesday on a decision by a U.S. congressman to suspend $100 million of aid over concerns the weapons could be turned on Israel and that Hezbollah may have influence over the Lebanese army.

Iran plans help to Lebanon army, as U.S. blocks aid

Iran has offered support to Lebanon’s army, a week after a deadly cross-border clash between Lebanon and Israel which prompted U.S. lawmakers to block funding to the Lebanese military.

The offer from Iran, which supports Lebanon’s militant Shi’ite group Hezbollah, could fuel Western concern that Tehran is increasing its influence near Israel’s northern border.

Lebanon charges politician with spying for Israel

A Lebanese military prosecutor charged on Tuesday a Christian party member who was formerly an army general with spying for Israel, the first politician to be charged in a widening espionage case.

Judge Sakr Sakr accused Fayez Karam of the Free Patriotic Movement of dealing with “the enemy’s intelligence and meeting their officers abroad, and giving them information by phone”, according to the charge sheet.

Karam, who belonged to the movement headed by Michel Aoun, a former army chief now allied to the Iranian-backed Hezbollah group, was also charged with providing Israel with information on the Free Patriotic Movement, Hezbollah and other parties.

63 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:30:01am

re: #56 webevintage

I’m thinking that the LOLcat bible would make a good gift to my fellow irreverent friends.

64 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:30:18am
65 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:30:43am

re: #20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My wife works in a cancer center as a Radiation Therapist.

Told me just last week, “You’d be stunned to know the number of men who leave their wives after breast cancer.”

I believe that. I’m giving the same semi-pass to newt that I gave to Edwards, I try not to judge how men behave when their spouses have a serious medical problem.

66 Kragar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:30:46am

re: #59 NJDhockeyfan

These morons haven’t produced any proof. What a fucking joke.

MESS Report / Nasrallah has no smoking gun tying Israel to Hariri murder

They’ll go back to their usual tactic of yelling loudly and killing anyone who says differently.

Its worked so far.

67 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:31:23am
68 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:32:05am

re: #66 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They’ll go back to their usual tactic of yelling loudly and killing anyone who says differently.

Its worked so far.

They are a very tolerant group, aren’t they?

69 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:32:11am

re: #55 eclectic infidel

It’s not easy being human. We’ve got needs and those needs can trump ethics and morality from time to time if not kept in check - or at least negotiated if another party is involved.

Seems to me that if politicians of all stripes would just say that (something most Americans know), people would have a bit more faith in what they were saying in the first place.

70 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:32:53am
71 Kragar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:33:40am

re: #70 MandyManners

That was expected, especially after the Chinless Optometrist warned that Hizb’allah would pitch a fit if it were (justifiably) blamed.

Why blame them just because all the actual evidence says they did it?
/

72 William Barnett-Lewis  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:35:08am

re: #60 cronus

OT: the late Mike Royko on the late Dan Rostenkowski:

The Rules Kept Changing; Dan Rostenkowski Didn’t

Good article, thank you for the link.

73 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:35:33am

Top US lawmaker seeks Pentagon briefing on Lebanon

WASHINGTON — Amid rising US-Lebanon tensions, a top US lawmaker asked the Pentagon in a letter released Wednesday for assurances that military aid from Washington is not indirectly helping Hezbollah.

House Armed Services Committee chairman Ike Skelton, a Democratic White House ally, wrote Defense Secretary Robert Gates seeking a formal briefing on Lebanon, including “measures we have in place” to safeguard military aid.

Skelton said a deadly clash between Lebanese and Israeli forces along the countries’ shared border “has me concerned that our policy with Lebanon may be counter-productive.”

“I am concerned that the training and equipment we have provided the LAF (Lebanese Armed Forces) for the purposes of counter-terror may in fact be used by the LAF against the Israelis,” said the lawmaker.

“I am also concerned of reports that the LAF is collaborating with Hezbollah and that Hezbollah is, as a result, an indirect recipient of our aid,” Skelton said in the letter, which was released by his committee.

His comments came after another senior Democratic lawmaker, House Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman Howard Berman, said he would freeze 100 million dollars in military aid to Lebanon after the clash, which left four dead.

74 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:36:16am

re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nasrallah: Israel murdered Hariri

Seems like an open and shut case to me.

75 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:36:56am
76 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:37:11am
7 ur pray shood not be made of fail.

Srsly.

77 AJStrata  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:38:04am

Classic DC hypocrisy. Newt had some good points, but this self absorption and holier than thou attitude is what has this nation fed up with all sides of the aisle in DC.

Newt should just give up any idea of a come back. If you can’t treat your ill wife with respect, what makes anyone think he gives a hoot about your faceless, unknown, average American.

78 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:38:42am
79 AJStrata  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:38:45am

re: #77 AJStrata

Correction: Newt HAD good points once - a few. But who doesn’t?

80 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:39:45am

re: #78 MandyManners

Didja’ see my Page about Iran’s nukes?

No, thanks for the link. Reading it now…

81 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:39:46am
82 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:42:13am

re: #79 AJStrata

Correction: Newt HAD good points once - a few. But who doesn’t?

He did?

83 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:42:28am

And in a strange perverted way, Newt’s right - his message sold and resonated with a whole lot of people despite its cognitive dissonance and Newt’s own pecadillos and affairs that were anything but true to the holy vows of matrimony with his wife through good times and bad, in sickness and in health.

It’s the same reasoning that clouds the judgment of all too many politicians on both sides of the aisle. You’ve got people like Spitzer in NY who thought that they could on the one hand prosecute hookers, but on the other go ahead and bed call girls regularly when he wasn’t going home to his wife and daughters. The big difference is that Newt was pushing an agenda that was based significantly on family values, whereas Spitzer was pushing law and order.

In both cases, they broke the public trust, and neither should be trusted again.

84 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:43:07am

“Gingrich just kept saying she was a Jaguar and all he wanted was a Chevrolet. ‘I can’t handle a Jaguar right now.’ He said that many times. ‘All I want is a Chevrolet.’”

That’s some nice objectifying there Newt!

85 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:43:20am

If you’re planning on going on a murderous rampage, ditch your I-Phone:

Cops love iPhone data trail
EVIDENCE NEVER DELETED | Criminals who use device may be left without alibi
suntimes.com


And if you’re doing something criminal, something about it is probably going to go through that phone:

• Every time an iPhone user closes out of the built-in mapping application, the phone snaps a screenshot and stores it. Savvy law-enforcement agents armed with search warrants can use those snapshots to see if a suspect is lying about whereabouts during a crime.

• iPhone photos are embedded with GEO tags and identifying information, meaning that photos posted online might not only include GPS coordinates of where the picture was taken, but also the serial number of the phone that took it.

• Even more information is stored by the applications themselves, including the user’s browser history. That data is meant in part to direct custom-tailored advertisements to the user, but experts said some of it could be useful to police.

I-Phones: Tools of The Man.

86 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:45:18am
87 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:46:09am

France Dissuading Israel from Opening Military Operation against Lebanon


It has been reported by London-based al-Sharq al-Awsat newspaper that France has been dissuading Israel from starting a large-scale military operation against Lebanon, in response to the incident that happened at the border, killing Ltc. Dov Harari.

According to the French sources, Defense Minister Ehud Barak had notified French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner that Israel wants to open a large-scale military operation, which aims to educate the Lebanese Army and to take revenge of the death of the senior Israeli officer.

And this decision of Israel leads to high-rank contacts between the US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, French President Nicolas Sarkozy as well as Jordanian, Egyptian and other state officials of the Arab.

88 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:46:23am
89 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:47:03am

re: #31 ralphieboy

All anecdotal. We need stats on how many men leave their wives as well as how many women leave their husbands after testicle/prostate cancer…

The best anecdote is the book “A private battle”, by Cornelius Ryan [military history author] and Kathryn Morgan Ryan. True story, unhappy ending but when you’re not writing fiction you have less leeway as an author.

Kathryn kept a diary. Cornelius kept a diary. After his death, she found his and stitched the two together into a book. The upshot is that people are not pigs, and marriage is not a bad joke.

90 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:47:06am

Enjoy the rest of your afternoon people.

91 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:47:38am
92 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:47:51am

re: #88 MandyManners

Well, guess what, asshole! Remember those words about “in sickness and health”?

Oh that silly old oath? How outdated. Newt was into new, grand, Contracts.

93 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:47:56am

Now we see why Newt Gingrich made such a big public display out of confessing to James Dobson.

94 What, me worry?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:48:06am

re: #20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My wife works in a cancer center as a Radiation Therapist.

Told me just last week, “You’d be stunned to know the number of men who leave their wives after breast cancer.”

They were in it just for the boobs?

W.O.W.

95 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:49:18am
96 webevintage  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:49:20am

re: #88 MandyManners

Was he saying she was a high-maintenance women because she was sick?

Well, guess what, asshole! Remember those words about “in sickness and health”?

Poetic justice will be when Newt gets old and sickly (as we all do in the end) and Calista decides he is just too much trouble to deal with.

97 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:49:57am

re: #56 webevintage

blesst is teh ceiling cat

98 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:50:09am
99 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:50:37am
100 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:50:40am

re: #88 MandyManners

Was he saying she was a high-maintenance women because she was sick?

Well, guess what, asshole! Remember those words about “in sickness and health”?

Gingrich was saying that he wanted his wife after all, and not the mistress. Now this doesn’t get Gingrich off the hook, but you totally misconstrue his words.

101 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:51:35am

re: #86 MandyManners

How’s about them headlights? Check out her bumper! Wow, look at those tires roll! Hey, baby—lemme’ make your horn honk! How much junk in your trunk?

I believe there is a whose line segment built just around this joke..


Well close enough

“Ways you can describe your motorcycle, but not your girlfriend…”

Youtube Video

102 What, me worry?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:52:30am

re: #83 lawhawk

I don’t like to intellectualize these things. You either have a moral fiber or you don’t. I understand people make mistakes, of course, but this is much more than that.

He had a conversation with his wife where he asked her if he could continue the affair? He then told her it doesn’t matter if he walks the walk as long as he talks the talk? If this is true, what kind of man is this?

Ugh, she’s well rid of him.

103 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:52:58am
104 webevintage  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:53:16am

re: #40 RadicalModerate

For those individuals who don’t think that Rush Limbaugh engages in race-baiting, here’s his latest from yesterday’s program when talking about Michelle Obama’s overseas trip last week:

[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com…]

nononononono
Rush was just joking…
He has such a dry wit and most folks just don’t get his brilliant humor.
/

105 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:54:20am

re: #93 Charles

Now we see why Newt Gingrich made such a big public display out of confessing to James Dobson.

With an ego like that, I’m surprised he could “confess” to anyone lower than God Himself. I’m sure they speak regularly.

106 ihateronpaul  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:54:25am

Awww silly little newt, expecting his wife to be his submissive slave….

107 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:54:26am
108 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:55:00am

Sen. Harry Reid doubles down on Hispanic comment


Harry Reid’s campaign is not shying away from the Senate majority leader’s questioning of why “anyone with Hispanic heritage could be a Republican,” instead using it to attack GOP Senate nominee Sharron Angle’s relationships with the Hispanic community.

Reid made the comment Tuesday after being asked a question about immigration at a campaign stop with Hispanic supporters.

“I don’t know how anyone of Hispanic heritage could be a Republican, OK?” Reid said. “Do I need to say more?”

But in a statement Wednesday morning, the Reid campaign doubled down on the line.

“Sen. Reid’s contention was simply that he doesn’t understand how anyone, Hispanic or otherwise, would vote for Republican candidates because they oppose saving teachers’ jobs, oppose job-creating tax incentives for small businesses, oppose investments in job-creating clean energy projects, and oppose the help for struggling, unemployed Nevadans to put food on the table and stay in their homes,” read the statement.

“Nevadans are suffering in this economy,” the statement continued, shifting to an attack on Republicans over the economy. “Senator Reid was rightly pointing out that Republicans like Sharron Angle who oppose job-creating measures and unemployment benefits, oppose emergency aid to save 1,200 Nevada teachers, and who want to wipe out critical programs like Social Security and Medicare, are part of the problem, not part of the solution.”

Sure he meant that…he was just taken out of context.
/

109 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:55:17am
110 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:56:18am
111 ihateronpaul  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:56:30am

re: #87 NJDhockeyfan

anything to postpone World War III is a good idea to me….oh god I am scared of the future

112 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:56:46am

re: #18 PT Barnum

You see sex scandals among Dems occasonially but it’s not as big a deal because they make less of a show about being holier than thou the rest of the time.

You usually can’t find an example of that Democrat talking big about morality and values, condemning gay folks, and criticizing people with marital problems.

In the cases when you can, roll on the mockery, and take that Democrat down.

113 jaunte  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:56:52am

re: #109 MandyManners

And tell the world you had permission, too. What a jerk

Then Gingrich made a baffling move. Because Bisek had refused to be deposed by Marianne’s attorney, Newt had his own attorney depose her, after which the attorney held a press conference and announced that she had confessed to a six-year affair with Gingrich. He had also told the press that he and Marianne had an understanding.
114 webevintage  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:57:01am

re: #100 lostlakehiker

Gingrich was saying that he wanted his wife after all, and not the mistress. Now this doesn’t get Gingrich off the hook, but you totally misconstrue his words.

Wha?
The Disgraced Former Speaker of the House wanted someone who was less trouble.
That Chevy (Calista…I’d be a bit offended being compared to a Chevy) was just so much easier to deal with then the high-maintenance Jag who was sick (like his first wife…what is it with Newt and sick women?) because GOD!!! He is NEWT GINGRICH and he should not have to deal with the hard things in life. He is too important…he needed a woman who could help him not one that required him to sacrifice for her.
What a douchebag.

115 ihateronpaul  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:57:18am

re: #108 NJDhockeyfan

Sen. Harry Reid doubles down on Hispanic comment

Sure he meant that…he was just taken out of context.
/

Oh Harry “Negro” Reid….

116 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:57:53am

re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nasrallah: Israel murdered Hariri

You must be kidding. The evidence that Syria was behind that murder is overwhelming. for starters

This business of blaming the Jews for everything gets old. And if you mean it as a joke, you need to keep in mind that posts that on their face are venomous rabid antisemitic screeds need to be flagged as jokes. (They’re not funny either way. )

117 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:57:56am
118 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:58:03am

re: #107 MandyManners

“wipes tears out of eyes*

If you want there’s also

“Things you can say to your dog but not your girlfriend”

Youtube Video

“Things you can say about the food you eat but not your girlfriend”

Youtube Video

Things you can say about your business but not your girlfriend

Youtube Video

And

“Things you can say about your boat but not your girlfriend”

Youtube Video

119 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:58:16am

re: #29 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

There was a comedien who cited a study that said a person will decide whether they’ll have sex with a member of the opposite sex within 1 minute of meeting them. He said for men its more like 10 seconds and the answer is yes.

My husband commented, early on in our relationship, that when a man goes on a date, he hopes he’ll get lucky. A woman already knows if he’ll get lucky.

120 ihateronpaul  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:58:18am

re: #110 MandyManners

I don’t get that sense at all. I get the sense that he’s a selfish bastard, and even selfish bastards can load the dishwasher and fold the laundry.

I meant in the context of her accepting what he wants without question, as in when he asked her if he could continue the affair, he probably expected her to just go along with him

121 PT Barnum  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:58:18am

re: #110 MandyManners

I don’t get that sense at all. I get the sense that he’s a selfish bastard, and even selfish bastards can load the dishwasher and fold the laundry.

Provided they get something out of it.

122 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:59:06am
123 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:59:24am

re: #108 NJDhockeyfan

Sen. Harry Reid doubles down on Hispanic comment

Sure he meant that…he was just taken out of context.
/

Wrong thing to say, wrong thing to think, wrong, wrong, wrong wrong, and yet running against Angel he still has a chance….

124 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:59:30am

re: #33 HappyWarrior

Yep, seriously that’s what bugs me. The Republican Party and its supporters in the 1990’s hammered Bill Clinton for his extramartrial affairs yet time and time again we see their politicians get caught. It wouldn’t be such a big deal if they stopped playing this “We’re good Christians and our opponents want to turn your kids in to gay satanists.”

All the bitching about Gingrich and Clinton the last week or so reminded me of that weird episode where Hyde admitted his affair in the middle of the impeachment procedures. It was insane.

125 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:00:00pm
“It doesn’t matter what I do,” he answered. “People need to hear what I have to say. There’s no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn’t matter what I live.”

Ah, but it does matter what a person lives.
Looking at it from the perspective of a religious person (as I am, and I think Newt purports to be) then there is a higher power that will always know exactly what you did, and it will indeed matter. And that’s the only “audience” you need to please.

126 PT Barnum  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:00:10pm

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

My husband commented, early on in our relationship, that when a man goes on a date, he hopes he’ll get lucky. A woman already knows if he’ll get lucky.

And it’s the tension between those two perspectives that keeps men buying dinners, flowers, candy, and expensive gifts.

127 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:00:34pm
128 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:00:47pm

re: #40 RadicalModerate

For those individuals who don’t think that Rush Limbaugh engages in race-baiting, here’s his latest from yesterday’s program when talking about Michelle Obama’s overseas trip last week:

[Link: www.rushlimbaugh.com…]

Rush can kiss Michelle Obama’s ass. I don’t care how he feels about her husband’s politics, that’s just not OK.

129 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:00:51pm
130 PT Barnum  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:01:35pm

re: #129 MandyManners

Clean dishes and clean linens.

I suspect that Newt’s got more dirty laundry than he’ll ever be able to clean up.

131 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:01:36pm

re: #105 wrenchwench

With an ego like that, I’m surprised he could “confess” to anyone lower than God Himself. I’m sure they speak regularly.

In my line of belief, all the confessions in the world don’t matter, if you don’t have the intent to do better. Newt may have a different view.

132 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:01:46pm

re: #65 RogueOne

I believe that. I’m giving the same semi-pass to newt that I gave to Edwards, I try not to judge how men behave when their spouses have a serious medical problem.

Well I’m a guy and I think it’s fucked up behavior. Married or not.

133 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:02:03pm
134 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:02:07pm

re: #132 eclectic infidel

Well I’m a guy and I think it’s fucked up behavior. Married or not.

Agreed.

135 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:02:26pm
Gingrich just kept saying she was a Jaguar and all he wanted was a Chevrolet. ‘I can’t handle a Jaguar right now.’ He said that many times. ‘All I want is a Chevrolet.’

So a woman, to him, is just “something you own” like a car.

136 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:02:35pm
137 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:03:23pm

re: #117 MandyManners

Racist.

He can’t be, Fozzie told me the left are more tolerant than conservatives. This must be a misstatement created by Fox News.
//

138 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:03:32pm
139 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:04:03pm

re: #103 MandyManners

How am I misconstruing what he said?

Well, I wasn’t there to hear the whole conversation, but how can the analogy Mistress=Chevy, Wife=Jaguar hold water? Who ditches a Jaguar for a Chevy? Even for a joy ride?

140 cliffster  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:04:05pm

re: #108 NJDhockeyfan

Sen. Harry Reid doubles down on Hispanic comment

Sure he meant that…he was just taken out of context.
/

c’mon, harry, tell us how a good little mexican should vote. gracias.

141 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:04:12pm
142 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:04:13pm

re: #108 NJDhockeyfan

Sen. Harry Reid doubles down on Hispanic comment

Sure he meant that…he was just taken out of context.
/

I’m not sure why that’s supposed to be outrageous. He’s saying that the Republican Party is hostile to Hispanics, and I think it’s possible to make a pretty good case that this is true. What’s supposed to be so horrible about Reid’s statement?

143 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:04:20pm

re: #131 reine.de.tout

In my line of belief, all the confessions in the world don’t matter, if you don’t have the intent to do better. Newt may have a different view.

Agreed. Words are cheap.

144 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:04:21pm

re: #46 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I will admit the “good Christians” I do know for sure are the ones who make it their business to constantly remind me of what good Christians they are, and how much better they are because of it.

Yeah, that’s a bad sign. With almost anything, not just Christianity.

145 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:04:32pm
146 jaunte  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:04:42pm

re: #139 lostlakehiker

I think it’s a bad automotive variation on the “it’s not you, it’s me” breakup line.

147 Nimed  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:05:08pm

re: #84 jamesfirecat

“Gingrich just kept saying she was a Jaguar and all he wanted was a Chevrolet. ‘I can’t handle a Jaguar right now.’ He said that many times. ‘All I want is a Chevrolet.’”

That’s some nice objectifying there Newt!

Usual disclaimers — it’s Gingrich’s personal life, not really relevant to most (though not al) his political positions, yadda yadda yadda.

Somehow I find that car sentence the most douchy part of this story. Just imagine the scene — Newt telling this Jaguar and Chevrolet bullshit to his wife’s face.

148 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:05:35pm

re: #146 jaunte

I think it’s a bad automotive variation on the “it’s not you, it’s me” breakup line.

Especially bad when one of the “cars” is “in the shop”.

149 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:05:50pm

So…
I wonder how Newt feels about taking a shot at
the White House in 2012 now??
What an asshole!

150 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:05:53pm

re: #117 MandyManners

Racist.

Why is it racist to point out that it’s not in a Hispanic person’s best interest to vote for a Republican?

151 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:06:03pm
152 ShaunP  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:06:12pm

re: #139 lostlakehiker

He did not just want his wife:

“He asked her to just tolerate the affair, an offer she refused.”

153 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:06:16pm

re: #136 MandyManners

Does his view even matter if it’s not supported by Scripture?

Mandy - gosh, there are so many interpretations of Scripture, I don’t even wanna touch that one.

As I said earlier, there’s an audience of only one for whom my actions really matter, and that’s who I need to please. I suspect Newt’s behavior didn’t fall into that category. As to what’s in his heart now - only Newt knows, and God. But I can still have an appreciation for just how screwed up his behavior was.

154 deranged cat  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:06:17pm

re: #142 Charles

i agree actually. ive been wanting to say the same thing while following this comment thread.

i think the problem is that he brought specifics into it. if he had said “men, women, asians, people with one leg”, there probably wouldve been equal outrage.

155 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:06:36pm

re: #138 MandyManners

I beg to differ. Your character counts most when the shit has hit the fan and your spouse needs you 100 per cent.

Truth.

156 webevintage  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:06:57pm

re: #142 Charles

I’m not sure why that’s supposed to be outrageous. He’s saying that the Republican Party is hostile to Hispanics, and I think it’s possible to make a pretty good case that this is true. What’s supposed to be so horrible about Reid’s statement?

Shut UP!
It just is that’s why!!!!!
/

I don’t know why any Hispanics or blacks or poor/working class people are Republicans.
Don’t understand at all.

157 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:07:15pm
158 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:08:13pm

re: #108 NJDhockeyfan

Sen. Harry Reid doubles down on Hispanic comment

Sure he meant that…he was just taken out of context.
/

Reid said

[Republicans] oppose investments in job-creating clean energy projects


This from the man most responsible for blocking the Nevada nuclear waste repository. And into the bargain, greatly hindering the construction of job-creating clean energy projects, because nuclear energy does not add CO2 to the atmosphere.


Reid is doubleplus ungreen.

159 garhighway  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:09:00pm

re: #137 NJDhockeyfan

He can’t be, Fozzie told me the left are more tolerant than conservatives. This must be a misstatement created by Fox News.
//

What did Harry say? That it looks like the Republican party has declared war on Hispanics? What is that other than a recitation of the obvious?

Hint: the racists are the ones doing the discrimination, not the ones observing that the discriminated against might not like it much.

160 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:09:31pm

re: #157 MandyManners

I gotta’ git. I’m pounding the keyboard here. Adultery pisses me off to no end.

Have a great day, Lizards!

Pisses me off too.
Add to that adultery while the spouse is sick, and then abandoning said spouse at a time when he/she most needs support and care - ugh. I worked with a man who did this same thing. When I found out about it - I had the hardest time in the world having a conversation with this man and not letting my total disgust show.

161 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:09:46pm

re: #142 Charles

I’m not sure why that’s supposed to be outrageous. He’s saying that the Republican Party is hostile to Hispanics, and I think it’s possible to make a pretty good case that this is true. What’s supposed to be so horrible about Reid’s statement?

I was about to say the same thing. I guess he’s racist because he mentioned another race?

162 Firstinla  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:09:58pm

To all Lizards: on an earlier thread I made a very stupid comment regarding Park51. I got called away from the computer and did not have the chance to apologize for it. I apologize now, respectfully and sincerely.

163 ShaunP  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:10:24pm

re: #162 Firstinla

To all Lizards: on an earlier thread I made a very stupid comment regarding Park51. I got called away from the computer and did not have the chance to apologize for it. I apologize now, respectfully and sincerely.

Use the sarc tag wisely…

164 KingKenrod  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:10:31pm

re: #150 Charles

Why is it racist to point out that it’s not in a Hispanic person’s best interest to vote for a Republican?

By putting them in a group and assuming they all have the same interests. “They’re hispanic, so they must be A, B, C…”.

165 allegro  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:10:33pm

re: #158 lostlakehiker

This from the man most responsible for blocking the Nevada nuclear waste repository. And into the bargain, greatly hindering the construction of job-creating clean energy projects, because nuclear energy does not add CO2 to the atmosphere.

Perhaps he has legitimate concerns about that nuclear waste being transported through his state. I suspect it could be a trifle hazardous as well as a potential security risk. Do you have ALL of the information he has about it?

166 webevintage  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:10:40pm

re: #159 garhighway

What did Harry say? That it looks like the Republican party has declared war on Hispanics? What is that other than a recitation of the obvious?

Hint: the racists are the ones doing the discrimination, not the ones observing that the discriminated against might not like it much.

It is racism the same way it is class warfare to want to let the Bush tax cuts expire on the top 2% earnings in this country.
In that it is not….

167 Locker  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:10:55pm

re: #117 MandyManners

Racist.

Dumbass.

168 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:12:02pm

re: #142 Charles

I’m not sure why that’s supposed to be outrageous. He’s saying that the Republican Party is hostile to Hispanics, and I think it’s possible to make a pretty good case that this is true. What’s supposed to be so horrible about Reid’s statement?

If that’s true why did his campaign fell they needed to explain his statement? If he was right he shouldn’t feel the need to explain anything.

169 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:12:02pm

re: #142 Charles

I’m not sure why that’s supposed to be outrageous. He’s saying that the Republican Party is hostile to Hispanics, and I think it’s possible to make a pretty good case that this is true. What’s supposed to be so horrible about Reid’s statement?

///But he also said that Obama spoke “with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one.” So he’s got to be a racist! Just like Trent Lott see, the two sides are equal SEE?

170 Locker  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:12:20pm

re: #164 KingKenrod

By putting them in a group and assuming they all have the same interests. “They’re hispanic, so they must be A, B, C…”.

The people hating them are putting them in a group. Are we suppose to ignore that line of demarcation? Especially since he’s referring to the attackers and not the victim.

171 What, me worry?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:12:20pm

Women in the blogosphere TAKE NOTE! Once a cheat, always a cheat! From the same article when Marianne and Newt first met:

They kept the conversation going on the phone, often talking late into the night. Although he was still married to his first wife, Jackie Battley, Gingrich told Marianne they were in counseling and talking about divorce. That summer, she went to Washington to visit him, and soon afterward he introduced her to his mother and stepfather. “They were thrilled because they hadn’t wanted Newt to marry [Jackie]. I think his stepdad wanted to be able to say, ‘Look, we always knew this wasn’t going to work.’ “

At first, she had no idea that the wife he was divorcing was actually his high school geometry teacher, or that he went to the hospital to present her with divorce terms while she was recovering from uterine cancer and then fought the case so hard, Jackie had to get a court order just to pay her utility bills. Gingrich told her the story a little at a time, trusting her with things that nobody else knew — to this day, for example, the official story is that he started dating Jackie when he was eighteen and she was twenty-five. But he was really just sixteen, she says.

This guy is a piece of work.

Moral of the story: Never date a married man.

172 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:12:22pm

re: #142 Charles

I’m not sure why that’s supposed to be outrageous. He’s saying that the Republican Party is hostile to Hispanics, and I think it’s possible to make a pretty good case that this is true. What’s supposed to be so horrible about Reid’s statement?

It’s not horrible, but it’s stereotyping. Some Hispanics may, for example, be animated primarily by hostility to Castro. That would give them a reason to vote Republican. Others may be concerned about crime. Others may be businessmen and concerned about taxes. And if Republicans are against large-scale illegal immigration, so are some Hispanics.

Hispanics break heavily to the Democrat side, but those who vote Republican probably know their own minds and have their own reasons. It’s insulting to suggest that they don’t.

173 cronus  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:13:13pm

OT: In happier news, a -300 point day on the Dow is looming:

10,387
-257
-2.42%

174 Locker  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:13:46pm

re: #168 NJDhockeyfan

If that’s true why did his campaign fell they needed to explain his statement? If he was right he shouldn’t feel the need to explain anything.

Yea that’s the same argument we heard about ACORN, Sherod, etc. Why did the EXPLAIN anything if they aren’t GUILTY??? HUH?? HUH??

Absolutely meritless position.

175 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:13:48pm

re: #147 Nimed

Usual disclaimers — it’s Gingrich’s personal life, not really relevant to most (though not al) his political positions, yadda yadda yadda.

Somehow I find that car sentence the most douchy part of this story. Just imagine the scene — Newt telling this Jaguar and Chevrolet bullshit to his wife’s face.

It says he “just kept saying…” So this wasn’t just some slip of the tongue, he actually though this was a good and suitable analogy…. god what an asshole…

176 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:14:26pm

re: #164 KingKenrod

By putting them in a group and assuming they all have the same interests. “They’re hispanic, so they must be A, B, C…”.

I don’t think it’s a racist statement, nor is it particularly outrageous; it is an arrogant statement, however, for just the reasons you describe here - but arrogance in a politician of any stripe isn’t particularly newsworthy, IMO. Strong statement to try to make a strong point, that’s all I see.

177 ShaunP  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:15:30pm

re: #176 reine.de.tout

I don’t think it’s a racist statement, nor is it particularly outrageous; it is an arrogant statement, however, for just the reasons you describe here - but arrogance in a politician of any stripe isn’t particularly newsworthy, IMO. Strong statement to try to make a strong point, that’s all I see.

It was a nod, nod, wink, wink in the general direction of the Arizona immigration law. Not really worth ire, IMO…

178 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:15:40pm

re: #173 cronus

OT: In happier news, a -300 point day on the Dow is looming:

10,387
-257
-2.42%

Yikes!

179 nines09  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:16:40pm

Maybe the sanctity of marriage shouldn’t include sickness. Maybe he can strike that one down along with the 14 amendment when he becomes Emperor.

180 sagehen  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:17:06pm

re: #142 Charles

I’m not sure why that’s supposed to be outrageous. He’s saying that the Republican Party is hostile to Hispanics, and I think it’s possible to make a pretty good case that this is true. What’s supposed to be so horrible about Reid’s statement?

Grover Norquist: “Nobody’s going to vote for the party that wants to deport their mother.”

181 Amory Blaine  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:17:29pm

re: #158 lostlakehiker

Reid said


This from the man most responsible for blocking the Nevada nuclear waste repository. And into the bargain, greatly hindering the construction of job-creating clean energy projects, because nuclear energy does not add CO2 to the atmosphere.

Reid is doubleplus ungreen.

Maybe Harry Reid is performing the will of Nevadans?

182 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:17:31pm

re: #180 sagehen

Grover Norquist: “Nobody’s going to vote for the party that wants to deport their mother.”

racist
/

183 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:17:44pm

re: #177 ShaunP

It was a nod, nod, wink, wink in the general direction of the Arizona immigration law. Not really worth ire, IMO…

Agreed.
The arrogance comes in assuming that all Arizona hispanics are against that law or else they are somehow - less hispanic. I don’t think that assumption can be made - but I hear things like that from politicians all the time. It’s how they try to score their points.

184 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:18:22pm

re: #165 allegro

Perhaps he has legitimate concerns about that nuclear waste being transported through his state. I suspect it could be a trifle hazardous as well as a potential security risk. Do you have ALL of the information he has about it?

I have enough. The waste has to go somewhere. There are ultra-safe ways to transport it. It’s not like they’re just going to spray it on Nevada with a hose. Reid’s information comes from polls. Enough people are scared enough of radiation that they wig out when told that radio waves consist of electromagnetic radiation. Reid panders to that kind of fear. Considering how important global warming is, and how necessary nuclear power is to our energy security and our climate future, Reid has no business playing fear games. Leaders are supposed to look to the good of the nation, he’s a national-level leader, and he isn’t leading.

185 garhighway  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:18:22pm

re: #172 lostlakehiker

It’s not horrible, but it’s stereotyping. Some Hispanics may, for example, be animated primarily by hostility to Castro. That would give them a reason to vote Republican. Others may be concerned about crime. Others may be businessmen and concerned about taxes. And if Republicans are against large-scale illegal immigration, so are some Hispanics.

Hispanics break heavily to the Democrat side, but those who vote Republican probably know their own minds and have their own reasons. It’s insulting to suggest that they don’t.

Harry’s in Nevada, not Dade County, FL: the Cuban example is horseshit.

A lot of people have observed that the GOP is pissing away a potential constituency that ought to have an affinity for it by going full Tancredo. Reid has said nothing new or novel. He is stating the obvious.

186 ShaunP  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:18:35pm

re: #183 reine.de.tout

Agreed.
The arrogance comes in assuming that all Arizona hispanics are against that law or else they are somehow - less hispanic. I don’t think that assumption can be made - but I hear things like that from politicians all the time. It’s how they try to score their points.

If I hear “the American people want…” one more time, my head is going to explode…

187 jaunte  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:19:24pm

re: #186 ShaunP

The American people wouldn’t want that.

188 cliffster  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:19:26pm

re: #176 reine.de.tout

I don’t think it’s a racist statement, nor is it particularly outrageous; it is an arrogant statement, however, for just the reasons you describe here - but arrogance in a politician of any stripe isn’t particularly newsworthy, IMO. Strong statement to try to make a strong point, that’s all I see.

“Racist” isn’t the right word for it. How about “presumptuous”? What, are all hispanics little cookie-cutter automatons? Is the mighty Harry Reid one to pontificate on the fact that if I’m hispanic, then I must be stupid to vote Republican? Let’s say he acted stupidly.

189 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:20:29pm

re: #183 reine.de.tout

Agreed.
The arrogance comes in assuming that all Arizona hispanics are against that law or else they are somehow - less hispanic. I don’t think that assumption can be made - but I hear things like that from politicians all the time. It’s how they try to score their points.

And then Hispanics who favor the law are used like Muslims opposed to Park51: “My position can’t be racist because people of that race agree with me!”

190 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:21:13pm

re: #171 marjoriemoon

Women in the blogosphere TAKE NOTE! Once a cheat, always a cheat! From the same article when Marianne and Newt first met:

This guy is a piece of work.

Moral of the story: Never date a married man.

Isn’t that one of the Ten Suggestions Moses came up with on Sinai?

191 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:21:35pm

re: #186 ShaunP

If I hear “the American people want…” one more time, my head is going to explode…

re: #187 jaunte

The American people wouldn’t want that.

No, we would NOT want that!
LOL.

192 Amory Blaine  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:21:37pm

Which party has been alienating Hispanics? I see all kinds of Democrat led groups marching arm in arm with throngs of Hispanics.

193 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:21:47pm

re: #184 lostlakehiker

I have enough. The waste has to go somewhere. There are ultra-safe ways to transport it. It’s not like they’re just going to spray it on Nevada with a hose. Reid’s information comes from polls. Enough people are scared enough of radiation that they wig out when told that radio waves consist of electromagnetic radiation. Reid panders to that kind of fear. Considering how important global warming is, and how necessary nuclear power is to our energy security and our climate future, Reid has no business playing fear games. Leaders are supposed to look to the good of the nation, he’s a national-level leader, and he isn’t leading.

So, he should go against what his constituents want and bring waste to Nevada? Then he would be a ‘leader’ and you would totally like him?

194 What, me worry?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:22:20pm

re: #172 lostlakehiker

It’s not horrible, but it’s stereotyping. Some Hispanics may, for example, be animated primarily by hostility to Castro. That would give them a reason to vote Republican. Others may be concerned about crime. Others may be businessmen and concerned about taxes. And if Republicans are against large-scale illegal immigration, so are some Hispanics.

Hispanics break heavily to the Democrat side, but those who vote Republican probably know their own minds and have their own reasons. It’s insulting to suggest that they don’t.

Insulting or not (and I don’t think it is at all), Reid is right. The Republican party seems to work overtime to hurt the elderly and minorities. Rick Scott of FL, the crook Republican “outsider” who is very sadly making some progress, wants to drug test welfare recipients. Let’s talk about adding more money to the deficit through drug testing instead of helping out the poor and infirm.

John Boehner wants to raise the retirement age so the rest of us poor slobs have to work until 70, IF we make it to 70.

I have no idea why a Black or Hispanic person would want to vote Republican.

195 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:22:32pm

re: #189 wrenchwench

And then Hispanics who favor the law are used like Muslims opposed to Park51: “My position can’t be racist because people of that race agree with me!”

Sure.
All I’m saying is - this is how politicians operate.
It’s not racist.
It’s not outrageous.
It’s not newsworthy.

196 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:23:57pm

re: #61 MandyManners

“It doesn’t matter what I do,” he answered. “People need to hear what I have to say. There’s no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn’t matter what I live.”

Fucking flaming narcissist.

I think this explains Newt’s behavior better than any other explanation, frankly. Anybody who acts the way he acts in comparison to the things he says can’t really believe what he is saying.

197 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:24:39pm

re: #187 jaunte

Neither would the British - think of the Dings!, won’t somebody think of the Dings!

198 PT Barnum  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:25:39pm

Officere: #196 Fozzie Bear

I think this explains Newt’s behavior better than any other explanation, frankly. Anybody who acts the way he acts in comparison to the things he says can’t really believe what he is saying.

It’s always good to believe your own bullshit before trying it out on other people.

199 PT Barnum  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:26:07pm

Gotta go..take care all..

200 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:26:25pm

re: #198 PT Barnum

Office

It’s always good to believe your own bullshit before trying it out on other people.

The best liars convince themselves first.

201 Amory Blaine  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:26:49pm

re: #198 PT Barnum

Office

It’s always good to believe your own bullshit before trying it out on other people.

There’s a sucker born every minute.

Someone said that once ;)

202 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:28:35pm

re: #173 cronus

OT: In happier news, a -300 point day on the Dow is looming:

10,387
-257
-2.42%

This may have something to do with it…

U.S. Trade Gap, Budget Deficit Sharply Wider

Economic news about a sharply expanding U.S. trade gap, a wider federal budget deficit, and the Fed’s decision to buy government debt spooked the markets on Wednesday, August 11.

The U.S. trade gap expanded a surprising 18% in June to $49.9 billion versus $42.0 billion in May as American consumers’ appetite for imports from China and foreign oil continued at a strong pace. June exports totaled $150.5 billion, $2.0 billion less than in May, and imports totaled $200.3 billion, $5.9 billion more than in May, the Department of Commerce announced.

In other economic news, the U.S. Treasury reported that the federal budget deficit in July ballooned to $165 billion compared to $68.4 billion in June.

Market jitters were driven not only by the trade and budget figures, but by the dollar’s rise against weaker currencies including the Chinese yuan as well as the Federal Open Market Committee’s August 10 announcement that it will use mortgage bond payments to buy long-term Treasury debt. Dow industrials were down over 2% in midafternoon trading.

According to the trade report, the deficit in international goods and services, which reflects the difference between U.S. sales abroad and imports into the country, has not been this high since October 2008 when it totaled $59.4 billion.

203 sagehen  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:29:06pm

re: #194 marjoriemoon

I have no idea why a Black or Hispanic person would want to vote Republican.

I know Black conservatives who love republican economic policies and/or foreign policy, but vote democrat anyway — on the basis that “I’d rather have a screwed-up tax structure than support people who pander to racists.”

204 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:29:11pm

re: #194 marjoriemoon

I have no idea why a Black or Hispanic person would want to vote Republican.

The Republican nominee for Governor of New Mexico is a Hispanic woman. I like her, except for her conservative social views. I wish there was more coverage of how she deals with the AZ SB1070 law. It must come up during her campaign appearances, but I haven’t read about it.

When she came to speak to our local teaparty-infested repub group, she was asked how she felt about States’ Rights and the 10th Amendment. She said, “I’m familiar with the 10th Amendment. What about it?” —not taking the tea party bait. But Sarah Palin endorsed her. Makes me want to run away….

205 JamesWI  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:30:12pm

Man, reading that entire article, he is just a strange, sick little man. Anyone else agree with me that the weirdest part was them trying to get him to talk honestly about his childhood? He has this strange need to paint his family life as that of a Norman Rockwell painting, that it was fabulous:

“Speaking of childhood, he makes his sound ideal. His family were the kind of people that “Norman Rockwell captures in his pictures,” he says, stiff-necked individualists who “came out of the mountains from small farms” and served in World War II, people who had “an old-fashioned deep belief in citizenship” that was “like living at Mount Vernon kind of stuff.” He speaks fondly of the “lovely older lady” who used to listen to his stories, the newspaper editor who first published him, the aunt who made sugar pies, the grandmother who had an “old-fashioned belief in citizenship,” even the crusty old bureaucrat who spent an afternoon telling a ten-year-old why the town couldn’t afford to build a zoo. And no, he never felt like an oddball. “I felt unique in a way that I think every American should feel unique — if I wanted to open up a lemonade stand, I opened up a lemonade stand.”

Actually, he grew up on a series of Army bases in Kansas, Georgia, France, and Germany. His father was raised by a grandmother who passed off his real mother (Gingrich’s grandmother) as his sister. His mother married his father when she was sixteen, left him a few days later, and struggled with manic depression most of her life. His stepfather was an infantry officer who viewed his plump, nearsighted, flat-footed son as unfit for the Army. By the time he was fifteen, Gingrich dedicated his life, he says, “to understanding what it takes for a free people to survive.” By the time he was eighteen, he was dating his high school geometry teacher. He married her a year later, when he was nineteen and she was twenty-six.

It sounds like a complicated childhood, I say.
“It was fabulous.”
Fabulous?

“Lots of relatives, lots of complexity, lots of sugar pies, when I could talk my aunt and grandmother into making them. They had an old-fashioned cast-iron stove where you cut wood…”

Just as Ronald Reagan created an idealized version of an America that never quite existed, so has Newt. And just as Reagan curated a fantasy version of his own life, so, too, has Newt.

Aren’t you sugarcoating it a little bit?
“What do you mean?”

It sounds like a troubled domestic situation.
“It’s troubled if you decide that’s what it is.”

True, you can choose to look at the bright things. But there are also less bright things.
“There are for everybody.”

Yeah, but I’m asking you.
He doesn’t respond.”

Just really strange.

206 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:30:26pm

re: #185 garhighway

Harry’s in Nevada, not Dade County, FL: the Cuban example is horseshit.

A lot of people have observed that the GOP is pissing away a potential constituency that ought to have an affinity for it by going full Tancredo. Reid has said nothing new or novel. He is stating the obvious.

Reid didn’t qualify his statement as being about Nevada voters. But assume he did. The other two examples are still on the table. Some fraction of Hispanics in Nevada are going to vote Republican, and however many or few they may be, they’ve got their reasons.

The GOP is in disarray and on track to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory this November, partly because it’s getting support from the sewer and not rejecting it. The Dems are working to a consistent vision and purpose, but that vision and purpose is not proving to be any sort of fit for reality so the harder they work, the deeper they dig their hole. The third parties are certifiably insane.

This doesn’t leave voters with much in the way of agreeable choices.

207 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:31:05pm

re: #204 wrenchwench

“It’s a Trap!”

208 What, me worry?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:31:27pm

re: #204 wrenchwench

The Republican nominee for Governor of New Mexico is a Hispanic woman. I like her, except for her conservative social views. I wish there was more coverage of how she deals with the AZ SB1070 law. It must come up during her campaign appearances, but I haven’t read about it.

When she came to speak to our local teaparty-infested repub group, she was asked how she felt about States’ Rights and the 10th Amendment. She said, “I’m familiar with the 10th Amendment. What about it?” —not taking the tea party bait. But Sarah Palin endorsed her. Makes me want to run away…

I don’t know. I’ve certainly worked with men and women minorities who are Republicans, but they’re also wealthy people. I think that has a lot to do with it. Republicans let you keep more of your money if you’re wealthy.

209 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:32:32pm

re: #204 wrenchwench

The Republican nominee for Governor of New Mexico is a Hispanic woman. I like her, except for her conservative social views. I wish there was more coverage of how she deals with the AZ SB1070 law. It must come up during her campaign appearances, but I haven’t read about it.

When she came to speak to our local teaparty-infested repub group, she was asked how she felt about States’ Rights and the 10th Amendment. She said, “I’m familiar with the 10th Amendment. What about it?” —not taking the tea party bait. But Sarah Palin endorsed her. Makes me want to run away…

I don’t think Sarah researches these people carefully before endorsing, I think she picks them mostly on a whim. So if this lady seems like a good candidate otherwise, I wouldn’t consider La Sarah’s endorsement the kiss of death.

210 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:32:45pm

Thru out History we usually here this kind of “Tell all” type of
crap after said person has passed on to their “Reward”(tongue in
cheek)…..
But, Alas the electronic age and PISSED off ex’s..and presto…
your a douche and the world knows it!!
Pity!
Newts a brilliant historian and speaker….Well Not so much “speaker” now!

211 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:32:50pm

re: #194 marjoriemoon

Insulting or not (and I don’t think it is at all), Reid is right. The Republican party seems to work overtime to hurt the elderly and minorities. Rick Scott of FL, the crook Republican “outsider” who is very sadly making some progress, wants to drug test welfare recipients. Let’s talk about adding more money to the deficit through drug testing instead of helping out the poor and infirm.

John Boehner wants to raise the retirement age so the rest of us poor slobs have to work until 70, IF we make it to 70.

I have no idea why a Black or Hispanic person would want to vote Republican.

The Eaderly, Minorities and the unemployed!

212 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:33:24pm

Not that there ever was much to begin with… after Newt’s “Giraffe Gaffe”, I haven’t held much stock in what he has to say.

I, for one, have never wanted to hunt a giraffe.

213 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:33:25pm

re: #193 tnguitarist

So, he should go against what his constituents want and bring waste to Nevada? Then he would be a ‘leader’ and you would totally like him?

Yes, he should, and then I would. And he should explain himself. He would be equally wrong to vote against childhood vaccination if his constituents for some reason had got themselves into a lather on that topic.

A leader must, from time to time, lead. If he won’t, then he is at best an expensive weathervane.

214 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:34:12pm

Good Afternoon Lizards!
Dear Newt..
Being a leader is all about Character..I don’t care if you are a Dem or a republican.. Without Character you got nothing..

215 pharmmajor  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:34:24pm

Screw the GOP, the Dems, and the Tea Party. Shows these clowns we’re sick of their bull by voting for independents and third party candidates this November.

216 garhighway  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:35:47pm

re: #215 pharmmajor

Screw the GOP, the Dems, and the Tea Party. Shows these clowns we’re sick of their bull by voting for independents and third party candidates this November.

And therefore sit out 95% of the races.

Good plan.

217 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:37:06pm
…this anecdote about Gingrich’s former wife Marianne, who was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis shortly before Gingrich revealed to her that he was having an affair.

What a despicable sack of shit.

It won’t make any difference to the faithful, of course. “Conservative” as a coherent political philosophy is dead. Everything is now tribal identification and rage/hate grievance mongering.

We had a good run, but all good things come to an end.

*depressed today*

218 allegro  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:37:06pm

re: #203 sagehen

I know Black conservatives who love republican economic policies and/or foreign policy, but vote democrat anyway — on the basis that “I’d rather have a screwed-up tax structure than support people who pander to racists.”

Back in the 80s when all this social conservative crap was coming to full bloom, my line for no longer voting Republican was “I’d rather have a Democrat in my wallet than a Republican in my womb.”

219 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:37:38pm

re: #213 lostlakehiker

Yes, he should, and then I would. And he should explain himself. He would be equally wrong to vote against childhood vaccination if his constituents for some reason had got themselves into a lather on that topic.

A leader must, from time to time, lead. If he won’t, then he is at best an expensive weathervane.

Senators are elected by their constituents to represent them.

220 cliffster  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:38:15pm

re: #214 HoosierHoops

Good Afternoon Lizards!
Dear Newt..
Being a leader is all about Character..I don’t care if you are a Dem or a republican.. Without Character you got nothing..

It’s too bad, too. Smart guy, aligned with me perfectly from an economic standpoint. So many people with good economic minds waggle their fingers at people and preach to them. Sucks.

221 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:39:09pm

re: #220 cliffster

I think his economic mind is overrated. That particular economic theory always seems to break down badly in the end.

222 What, me worry?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:39:29pm

re: #205 JamesWI

Well, it’s true. Often we block out portions of childhood that are difficult to face. Either that, or we end up in therapy for 20 years. I’m guessing Newt didn’t have time for that.

I have recounted stories to my mother of my childhood of which she has a completely different recollection. So much so, we once got into a terrible argument of who was remembering correctly. I was a kid, she was an adult… all of that is part of it.

In the end, for me at least, it’s better to let go of the pain. I’ve become so good at letting go, in fact, I’ve actually lost years of my childhood! I’ve decided amnesia is a blessing.

Anyway, none of that excuses Newt’s gawd awful behavior to his beloved(s).

223 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:40:24pm

re: #208 marjoriemoon

I don’t know. I’ve certainly worked with men and women minorities who are Republicans, but they’re also wealthy people. I think that has a lot to do with it. Republicans let you keep more of your money if you’re wealthy.

Susana Martinez has more of a small family business background, turned District Attorney. She was a Democrat, but switched parties over abortion. Maybe someday she’ll switch back…

224 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:40:25pm

re: #65 RogueOne

I believe that. I’m giving the same semi-pass to newt that I gave to Edwards, I try not to judge how men behave when their spouses have a serious medical problem.

I swore “till death do us part”, not “till it looks like she might die soon” when I got married.re: #222 marjoriemoon

Well, it’s true. Often we block out portions of childhood that are difficult to face. Either that, or we end up in therapy for 20 years. I’m guessing Newt didn’t have time for that.

I have recounted stories to my mother of my childhood of which she has a completely different recollection. So much so, we once got into a terrible argument of who was remembering correctly. I was a kid, she was an adult… all of that is part of it.

In the end, for me at least, it’s better to let go of the pain. I’ve become so good at letting go, in fact, I’ve actually lost years of my childhood! I’ve decided amnesia is a blessing.

Anyway, none of that excuses Newt’s gawd awful behavior to his beloved(s).

From the sound of things, Newt could use a decade or two of intense psychoanalysis.

225 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:40:27pm

re: #222 marjoriemoon

You’re assuming he’s capable of love :p

226 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:40:48pm

re: #223 wrenchwench

Susana Martinez has more of a small family business background, turned District Attorney. She was a Democrat, but switched parties over abortion. Maybe someday she’ll switch back…

Aah, the power of wedge issues!

227 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:41:40pm

re: #194 marjoriemoon

Insulting or not (and I don’t think it is at all), Reid is right. The Republican party seems to work overtime to hurt the elderly and minorities. Rick Scott of FL, the crook Republican “outsider” who is very sadly making some progress, wants to drug test welfare recipients. Let’s talk about adding more money to the deficit through drug testing instead of helping out the poor and infirm.

John Boehner wants to raise the retirement age so the rest of us poor slobs have to work until 70, IF we make it to 70.

I have no idea why a Black or Hispanic person would want to vote Republican.

Not to mention anybody who has had to accept help after a lay off from work or who got injured like I did and had to get welfare until my suit against my employer came up. I guess real ‘Mericans don’t get injured on the job or get laid off. That only happens to worthless anti social idiots, according to Ben Stein.

I used to like that asshole.

228 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:42:06pm

Yet another Republican who claims to be ohhh so Christian while abandoning his wife. This is even more odious when you think that she has a degenerative disease and is in a time of her life when she really needs him. This one has no morality or decency at all.

His responses and rationalizations about how basic decency do not apply to him are particularly telling. It’s what I say that matters… Look at the dreams of power and self importance he has at the dream of “leading” lesser people whom the rules do apply to. It is the same contempt a con artist holds his marks in.

He is nothing more than a malignant narcissist.

What do oaths mean to him?

Perhaps an oath to protect the Constitution? Well, it is clear how he feels about the most core parts of the Constitution when he speaks against the First Amendment. His appeals to hating Saudi Arabia are also particularly telling. The idea is nothing more than an infantile demand that if they get to be bad, then so do we mommy.

And this is how far the political discussion in America has fallen. But he was bad first! I get to be bad too! It isn’t fair! Should we perhaps give the wingnuts a cookie and some warm milk before sending them off to bed?

It is because such immature foolishness works for even a second with so many that troglodytes like Gingrich rightfully have the contempt they do for their followers. If this were a movie, it would be a dark comedy. But, it is all too real.

229 cliffster  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:42:09pm

re: #221 windsagio

I think his economic mind is overrated. That particular economic theory always seems to break down badly in the end.

snore

230 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:42:17pm

re: #227 celticdragon

We often forget that he used to write speeches for Tricky Dick >>

231 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:42:50pm

re: #229 cliffster

snore

Thank you for your sharp and insightful rebuttal :p

232 What, me worry?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:42:58pm

re: #223 wrenchwench

Susana Martinez has more of a small family business background, turned District Attorney. She was a Democrat, but switched parties over abortion. Maybe someday she’ll switch back…

I think that’s unusual, to follow a party because of one particular issue, but certainly people do that. Most of us agree with the majority of a party’s concepts, even if there are some we aren’t comfy with.

233 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:43:11pm

re: #194 marjoriemoon

Insulting or not (and I don’t think it is at all), Reid is right. The Republican party seems to work overtime to hurt the elderly and minorities. Rick Scott of FL, the crook Republican “outsider” who is very sadly making some progress, wants to drug test welfare recipients. Let’s talk about adding more money to the deficit through drug testing instead of helping out the poor and infirm.

John Boehner wants to raise the retirement age so the rest of us poor slobs have to work until 70, IF we make it to 70.

I have no idea why a Black or Hispanic person would want to vote Republican.

You do realize that social security payments come out of social security taxes? If no change is made on the spending end, then social security taxes have to go up. They already soak up 15 or 20 percent of the poor working slob’s paycheck, if you count the “employer contribution” as really coming from the worker. Young people today don’t have it easy, and the fraction of black and Hispanic among 20-somethings is greater than it is among 60-somethings.

I have no idea why a black or Hispanic person would want taxes raised on working stiffs so that old white people could have a more comfortable retirement.

Well, I do—-because I credit them with having individuality, and individual and highly diverse perspectives and motives. But you see, it’s not as simple as it looks.

234 wee fury  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:43:15pm

Connie Chung, anyone? shhhhhush

235 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:44:04pm

re: #230 windsagio

We often forget that he used to write speeches for Tricky Dick >>

Yep. That he did.

236 cronus  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:44:05pm

Not directed at any specific comment but since its one of the thread topics…

What a difference a decade makes. I can remember in 2000 how fired up rank and file Republicans were about making inroads with Hispanics. They talked about what an asset it was to have GWB as a nominee in that regard, that it was great that Jeb Bush had an articulate son with an Hispanic heritage and on and on.

If you wanted a case study in how to alienate a critical voting block, you would study how those Republican aspirations fell victim to Tancredo-esque demagoguery in less than a decade.

237 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:44:07pm

Sorry if I’m a bit extra-sharp tongued this afternoon, (#@*&$ 1000$ dental bill, when I was expecting about $500.


REFORM HEALTHCARE NOW DAMMIT!

238 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:44:10pm

re: #231 windsagio

Thank you for your sharp and insightful rebuttal :p

As George H W Bush pointed out “go do that voodoo (economics) you do so wellll……”

239 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:44:52pm

re: #234 wee fury

Connie Chung, anyone? shhhush

Hi Fury! I haven’t heard her name in years…Was she in some scandal or something?

240 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:45:02pm

re: #238 wozzablog

As George H W Bush pointed out “go do that voodoo (economics) you do so welll…”

HW was my Favorite Republican President. Actually a smart man, and he was the only one in recent memory that could actually look reality in the face and make tough decisions.

241 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:45:15pm

re: #239 HoosierHoops

Lol I was wondering what that meant too :D

242 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:45:18pm

re: #237 windsagio

Sorry if I’m a bit extra-sharp tongued this afternoon, (#@*&$ 1000$ dental bill, when I was expecting about $500.

REFORM HEALTHCARE NOW DAMMIT!

but, but, but - they would be removing the freedom for practitioners and insurance companies to rape your wallet and credit cards……..

socialism eleventy!!!!!!!!

243 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:46:17pm

re: #241 windsagio

Lol I was wondering what that meant too :D

I was looking for my “wtf” button.

244 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:46:31pm

re: #236 cronus

Not directed at any specific comment but since its one of the thread topics…

What a difference a decade makes. I can remember in 2000 how fired up rank and file Republicans were about making inroads with Hispanics. They talked about what an asset it was to have GWB as a nominee in that regard, that it was great that Jeb Bush had an articulate son with an Hispanic heritage and on and on.

If you wanted a case study in how to alienate a critical voting block, you would study how those Republican aspirations fell victim to Tancredo-esque demagoguery in less than a decade.

I remember the same thing. One of the Bush nephews was Hispanic and was supposed to be a rising star in the Florida GOP.

That was another frakking century, it seems. The ghost of Atwater must be amused.

245 ShaunP  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:46:43pm

re: #240 windsagio

HW was my Favorite Republican President. Actually a smart man, and he was the only one in recent memory that could actually look reality in the face and make tough decisions.

Sensible decision making bought him one term…

246 wee fury  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:46:56pm

re: #234 wee fury

Connie Chung, anyone? shhhush

re: #239 HoosierHoops

Hi Fury! I haven’t heard her name in years…Was she in some scandal or something?

:DYoutube Video
here you go.

247 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:46:57pm

re: #239 HoosierHoops

Hi Fury! I haven’t heard her name in years…Was she in some scandal or something?

I believe I heard she is ill…….
Married to what’s his face ah…ah…Larry King??

248 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:47:01pm

re: #237 windsagio

Sorry if I’m a bit extra-sharp tongued this afternoon, (#@*&$ 1000$ dental bill, when I was expecting about $500.

REFORM HEALTHCARE NOW DAMMIT!

You don’t want to see my medical bills from my stint in Tennessee. I still have more doctor visits here in Va next month.

249 darthstar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:47:45pm

re: #239 HoosierHoops

Hi Fury! I haven’t heard her name in years…Was she in some scandal or something?

Her news show got cancelled and she ended it by sitting on top of a piano and singing “Thanks for the Memory” which, she later joked, was for her two viewers.

But she is married to Maury Pauvich…/facepalm

250 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:47:54pm

re: #243 wrenchwench

I was looking for my “wtf” button.

Must be this, only thing in her wiki that matches ANYTHING in this discussion:

n a January 5, 1995 interview with Kathleen Gingrich, mother of Republican politician Newt Gingrich, on Eye to Eye, Ms. Gingrich said she could not say what her son thought about First Lady Hillary Clinton on the air. Chung asked Ms. Gingrich to “just whisper it to me, just between you and me,” and Ms. Gingrich replied that her son thought of Clinton as a “bitch”. Many people interpreted Chung’s suggestion that if Ms. Gingrich would whisper this statement it would be promised that the statement would be off the record. Bill Carter for the New York Times reported, “Ms. Chung had become the object of some of the most ferocious criticism, justified or not, ever directed at any network anchor as a result of her now infamous interview with Speaker Newt Gingrich’s mother, Kathleen.”
251 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:47:55pm

re: #219 tnguitarist

Senators are elected by their constituents to represent them.

Yes. But it is the duty of the representative to vote the interests of his constituents, rather than their opinions. He, but not they, has as his regular work the thorough study of the likely consequences of measures that come before him. He has a duty to inform himself; they haven’t the time to do so.

He most particular has the negative obligation to refrain from misleading and mis-educating his constituents. This repository would be good for the nation and good for Nevada. If Reid were man enough, he’d say so, vote so, and then let the chips fall where they may.

My guess is that it would have worked as a political strategy. He’d get credit for gumption if for nothing else.

252 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:48:06pm

re: #242 wozzablog

Heh. Instead, they raped the one thing that was actually working to reduce health care costs - FSAs. Effective 01/01/2011, they’re eliminating reimbursements for OTC drugs and drugs that aren’t prescribed by a doctor.

Yeah, that’ll cut costs.

253 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:48:12pm

re: #240 windsagio

HW was my Favorite Republican President. Actually a smart man, and he was the only one in recent memory that could actually look reality in the face and make tough decisions.

He knew the limits of the possible.

254 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:48:19pm

re: #246 wee fury

I NAILED IT!

255 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:48:25pm

re: #247 reloadingisnotahobby

I believe I heard she is ill…
Married to what’s his face ah…ah…Larry King??

well I was close……..///

256 cliffster  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:48:26pm

re: #231 windsagio

Thank you for your sharp and insightful rebuttal :p

I have this weird condition.. the sound of jerking knees puts me to sleep

257 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:49:02pm

re: #246 wee fury

re: #239 HoosierHoops

:D

[Video]
here you go.

“Why don’t you whisper it to me?” LOL It worked.

258 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:49:08pm

re: #254 windsagio

I NAILED IT!

meet me at camera three………..

259 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:49:21pm

re: #245 ShaunP

re: #253 wozzablog

That was the first step to my growing up, politically. He did what he had to do to try to balance the budget, and threw away his presidency in the process.

260 garhighway  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:49:40pm

re: #232 marjoriemoon

I think that’s unusual, to follow a party because of one particular issue, but certainly people do that. Most of us agree with the majority of a party’s concepts, even if there are some we aren’t comfy with.

I disagree. I think it is a fundamental part of the GOP’s current architecture to snag a whole giant swath of voters (SoCons) that would otherwise be at economic odds with Republican policy. “Law and Order” and “Family Values” wedge issues have been the hook to get votes from people whose economic interests don’t align well with the party’s economic platform (which had always been the true heart of the GOP agenda).

The irony is that this worked really well for a while, but it now threatens to destabilize the party, as the SoCons (in the guise of the Tea Party folks) are getting out of hand.

261 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:49:45pm

re: #256 cliffster

I have this weird condition.. the sound of jerking knees puts me to sleep

I can think of a dozen nsfw jokes to make on that…

262 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:49:55pm

re: #256 cliffster

I have this weird condition.. the sound of jerking knees puts me to sleep

….Another R.L.S.phobe?

263 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:50:17pm

re: #258 wozzablog

Its funny looking back at what was considered harsh criticism of media back then >>

264 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:50:33pm

re: #261 celticdragon

I can think of a dozen nsfw jokes to make on that…

I’m off work..Go ahead.. whisper it to me..
/

265 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:50:48pm

re: #256 cliffster

I have this weird condition.. I use snark to cover up when I can’t actually address a point.

FiXt!

266 kutabeach  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:51:03pm

Gingrich sounds like all the Global Warming nuts.

267 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:51:15pm

re: #215 pharmmajor

Screw the GOP, the Dems, and the Tea Party. Shows these clowns we’re sick of their bull by voting for independents and third party candidates this November.

I would love to, but what are my real choices there? And this list depends on where you are even.

We have the socialists - yeah right…

The commies… yeah right… Large sections of the world have been there and done that. It doesn’t turn out well. Anyone who doesn’t get that has no business being elected to dog catcher. Though the image of canines of the world unite and seize the means of producing biscuits appeals…

The mystic, vedic flying, natural law guys… yeah right. These are the ones who talk about fixing the world through mass meditation events. These are the true unicorn hippy people with a cultic twist. As an added benefit, they make bizarre drivel in relation to quantum field theory that only a physicist can truly get the humor of.

The greens, who are the liberal equivalent of the teabaggs and full of just as much nuttiness. The difference really is in who they consider the bad guys colluding to destroy the world are. It is interesting that both they and the teabags offer equally non-viable economic theories.

Then you have the libertarians. There aren’t so many of them since they have moved to GOP, but there are still a few running as such. The economic theory of everyone holds onto their stuff while pointing guns at everyone else’s head is particularly repugnant. They want all of the benefits of the social contract and none of the responsibilities.

End of the day, that leaves us stuck with the Dems.

268 What, me worry?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:52:27pm

re: #233 lostlakehiker

You do realize that social security payments come out of social security taxes? If no change is made on the spending end, then social security taxes have to go up. They already soak up 15 or 20 percent of the poor working slob’s paycheck, if you count the “employer contribution” as really coming from the worker. Young people today don’t have it easy, and the fraction of black and Hispanic among 20-somethings is greater than it is among 60-somethings.

I have no idea why a black or Hispanic person would want taxes raised on working stiffs so that old white people could have a more comfortable retirement.

Well, I do—-because I credit them with having individuality, and individual and highly diverse perspectives and motives. But you see, it’s not as simple as it looks.

They do not soak up 15-20% of my paycheck. That’s a big ole lie. My SS, last I checked was about $20 every 2 weeks.

269 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:52:29pm

re: #267 LudwigVanQuixote

“The perfect should not be the enemy of the good”

270 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:52:38pm

re: #266 kutabeach

Gingrich sounds like all the Global Warming nuts.

WHAT?

Firecat to base we have a Whiskey Tango Foxtrot situation going on over here….

271 What, me worry?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:53:11pm

re: #260 garhighway

I disagree. I think it is a fundamental part of the GOP’s current architecture to snag a whole giant swath of voters (SoCons) that would otherwise be at economic odds with Republican policy. “Law and Order” and “Family Values” wedge issues have been the hook to get votes from people whose economic interests don’t align well with the party’s economic platform (which had always been the true heart of the GOP agenda).

The irony is that this worked really well for a while, but it now threatens to destabilize the party, as the SoCons (in the guise of the Tea Party folks) are getting out of hand.

Yes, you’re right. Things have changed a great deal.

272 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:53:32pm

re: #264 HoosierHoops

I’m off work..Go ahead.. whisper it to me..
/

Heh!

I have this weird condition.. the sound of jerking knees off puts me to sleep.

Lot’s more variations…all of them bad.

273 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:53:45pm

re: #242 wozzablog

but, but, but - they would be removing the freedom for practitioners and insurance companies to rape your wallet and credit cards…

socialism eleventy!!!

If you cap prices, you create shortages. This is a lesson that goes back to the time of the Roman Empire.

Dental work is just another sort of service, bought and sold in a free market, and the price is as fair as the price of a loaf of bread or a jug of wine.

274 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:53:54pm

re: #266 kutabeach

Gingrich sounds like all the Global Warming nuts.

Please elaborate… do you mean people who deny the veracity of the scientific method, or do you mean people who are concerned about AGW?

I’m not sure what you mean.

275 cliffster  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:53:56pm

re: #265 windsagio

FiXt!

some things just aren’t worth the effort.

276 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:54:33pm

re: #271 marjoriemoon

Yes, you’re right. Things have changed a great deal.

I like calling that theory ‘selling out the long-range for the short’.

277 Kragar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:54:45pm

And they’re playing that Brandy song again in the office, WTH.

278 tradewind  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:55:03pm

Like so many politicians, Newt’s personal life is nothing to emulate, and I don’t think he has any excuse. But reading this article which consists of interviews with a woman who ’ chain smokes her breakfast ’ ( maybe she needs some protein for recall?) while unburdening herself for publication calls up that old ’ scornedwifesayswhat?’…
I don’t think its beyond the realm of possibility that everything she has said for publication is not accurate.

279 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:55:08pm

re: #266 kutabeach

Gingrich sounds like all the Global Warming nuts.

Do tell………

280 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:55:33pm

re: #270 jamesfirecat

WHAT?

Firecat to base we have a Whiskey Tango Foxtrot situation going on over here…

Firecat, this is Coldsteel Actual. What is your sitrep, over?

281 acacia  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:55:40pm

If he had admitted to his wife he was WRONG to have an affair and re-commited to her then he could at least argue that he believed what he said in the speech. After all, no one is perfect. But not only is he a “do as I say not as I do” kind of guy but he has absolutely NO idea what “family values” are if he wants his ailing wife to “tolerate” the affair. What a pompous goof.

282 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:55:42pm

re: #273 lostlakehiker

If you cap prices, you create shortages. This is a lesson that goes back to the time of the Roman Empire.

Dental work is just another sort of service, bought and sold in a free market, and the price is as fair as the price of a loaf of bread or a jug of wine.

This right here perfectly illustrates the nuttiness of supply-side economic “theory”. It’s not a jug of wine. It’s a service, without which, you very well may die.

283 cliffster  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:55:54pm

re: #272 celticdragon

the sound of jerking off puts me to sleep

wow, it’s bad enough if someone else falls asleep during sex with you.. but with yourself??

284 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:56:02pm

re: #277 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And they’re playing that Brandy song again in the office, WTH.

Please don’t ever mention it again. The one half line of lyrics from the last thread gave me an earworm already.

285 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:56:18pm

re: #278 tradewind

Is ‘blame the woman’ your default position then?

286 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:56:25pm

re: #252 lawhawk

Heh. Instead, they raped the one thing that was actually working to reduce health care costs - FSAs. Effective 01/01/2011, they’re eliminating reimbursements for OTC drugs and drugs that aren’t prescribed by a doctor.

Yeah, that’ll cut costs.


Don’t know the ins and outs of that bit - will have a dig around when i get the chance.

287 ShaunP  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:56:55pm

re: #278 tradewind

Like so many politicians, Newt’s personal life is nothing to emulate, and I don’t think he has any excuse. But reading this article which consists of interviews with a woman who ’ chain smokes her breakfast ’ ( maybe she needs some protein for recall?) while unburdening herself for publication calls up that old ’ scornedwifesayswhat?’…
I don’t think its beyond the realm of possibility that everything she has said for publication is not accurate.

She’s lying because she’s an ex-wife and smokes?

288 tradewind  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:56:56pm

re: #285 windsagio
Is ’ skip the first point of my post ’ yours?

289 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:57:06pm

re: #278 tradewind

Uh, you do know he gave the divorce paperwork to her as she was in the hospital fighting for her life?

That has been public knowledge for years.

290 webevintage  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:57:47pm

re: #268 marjoriemoon

They do not soak up 15-20% of my paycheck. That’s a big ole lie. My SS, last I checked was about $20 every 2 weeks.

Speaking of SS here is The 2010 Annual Report Of The Board Of
Trustees:
ssa.gov
and the one for Medicare:
cms.gov

291 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:57:57pm

re: #269 windsagio

“The perfect should not be the enemy of the good”

True, but I am hardly calling for perfection in any of the third parties.

I am calling for being better than the Dems. That really isn’t that hard to do.

Don’t get me wrong, I would vote for the mystic vedic flying guys before I voted for a teabag, but that isn’t saying much.

292 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:57:58pm

re: #273 lostlakehiker

If you cap prices, you create shortages. This is a lesson that goes back to the time of the Roman Empire.

Dental work is just another sort of service, bought and sold in a free market, and the price is as fair as the price of a loaf of bread or a jug of wine.

The problem is that helathcare is a unique good with no alternative, besides death.

If the price of grain gets too high you can buy fruits or meat instead.

Even with the price of gas a person has other alternatives in public transportation/buy a bike/walk not necessarily great alternatives but you do have alternatives that will get you where you need to be and its up to each person to work out their own time traveled to money saved equation.

Helathcare isn’t like that.

If you compromise your healthcare either by not buying insurance since you figure you won’t need it, or skimping on how frequently you got to the doctor since you’re afraid of how much it will cost, then you may compromise your health and your lifespan and make what comes next all the more costly.

Heathcare should be a public utility like water or electricity, somethings are too important for the free market….

293 tradewind  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:57:58pm

re: #287 ShaunP
I didn’t say she was lying. I have no idea whether she’s quoting from perfect memory with absolute truth, or whether she’s trash talking.
But here’s the thing: neither do you.

294 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:58:31pm

re: #283 cliffster

wow, it’s bad enough if someone else falls asleep during sex with you.. but with yourself??

LMAO!

I did say it was a joke on a silly comment from cliffster… ;)

295 CarleeCork  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:58:36pm

re: #281 acacia

What a pompous goof.


I was thinking sanctimonious asshole.

296 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:58:40pm

re: #278 tradewind
WTF?

297 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:58:47pm

re: #293 tradewind

I didn’t say she was lying. I have no idea whether she’s quoting from perfect memory with absolute truth, or whether she’s trash talking.
But here’s the thing: neither do you.

Aaaaannnnnd pull it back!

298 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:58:52pm

re: #278 tradewind

Like so many politicians, Newt’s personal life is nothing to emulate, and I don’t think he has any excuse. But reading this article which consists of interviews with a woman who ’ chain smokes her breakfast ’ ( maybe she needs some protein for recall?) while unburdening herself for publication calls up that old ’ scornedwifesayswhat?’…
I don’t think its beyond the realm of possibility that everything she has said for publication is not accurate.

Speaking of women who Tradewind doesn’t believe, have we heard any conformation or denial of the “Aqua Buddha” story?

299 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:59:07pm

re: #273 lostlakehiker

If you cap prices, you create shortages. This is a lesson that goes back to the time of the Roman Empire.

Dental work is just another sort of service, bought and sold in a free market, and the price is as fair as the price of a loaf of bread or a jug of wine.

you believe there are free markets in healthcare as it exists???????

300 Kragar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:59:24pm

re: #284 wrenchwench

Please don’t ever mention it again. The one half line of lyrics from the last thread gave me an earworm already.

I’m going to have to start counter-programming some BeeGees.

“In the event of something happening to me,
there is something I would like you all to see.”

301 acacia  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:59:32pm

re: #295 CarleeCork

Yeah, that says it too.

302 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:59:33pm

re: #294 celticdragon

LMAO!

I did say it was a joke on a silly comment from cliffster… ;)

That of course…being you!

303 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 12:59:52pm

re: #268 marjoriemoon

They do not soak up 15-20% of my paycheck. That’s a big ole lie. My SS, last I checked was about $20 every 2 weeks.

Did you count your employer’s “contribution”? That’s money that would have gone to you as wages otherwise. It’s part of his cost. It makes no difference whether he writes a check for $1000 to you and $80 to social security, and social security then takes another $80 from you, or whether he writes a check to you for $1080 and then social security takes $160 from you. At the end of the dance, you have $920, social security has $160, and he’s out $1080 either way.

Did you count medicare deductions? They’re part of the social security system. Again, same story it makes no difference who nominally pays.

304 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:00:18pm

re: #291 LudwigVanQuixote

True, but I am hardly calling for perfection in any of the third parties.

I am calling for being better than the Dems. That really isn’t that hard to do.

Don’t get me wrong, I would vote for the mystic vedic flying guys before I voted for a teabag, but that isn’t saying much.

I think the answer is to work for some alternatives but realize that your vote counts for good, even if the person is frustrating/wrong in some ways.

Painful as it is, the Democrats are the best we have right now (and yeah I know you said that too :P)

305 Interesting Times  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:00:31pm

re: #298 jamesfirecat

Speaking of women who Tradewind doesn’t believe, have we heard any conformation or denial of the “Aqua Buddha” story?

Thanks for giving me an excuse to post this :D

306 tradewind  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:00:33pm

re: #289 celticdragon
You’re mixing your ex-wives up here.
Understandable, there have been a few.

307 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:00:44pm

re: #298 jamesfirecat

Speaking of women who Tradewind doesn’t believe, have we heard any conformation or denial of the “Aqua Buddha” story?



Accuser: Rand Paul Did Not Kidnap Me But He Did Make Me Worship Aqua Buddha

308 Stanghazi  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:00:57pm

re: #278 tradewind

Like so many politicians, Newt’s personal life is nothing to emulate, and I don’t think he has any excuse. But reading this article which consists of interviews with a woman who ’ chain smokes her breakfast ’ ( maybe she needs some protein for recall?) while unburdening herself for publication calls up that old ’ scornedwifesayswhat?’…
I don’t think its beyond the realm of possibility that everything she has said for publication is not accurate.

Again, you go after the woman telling the story. Amazing.

309 webevintage  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:01:07pm

re: #292 jamesfirecat

or skimping on how frequently you got to the doctor since you’re afraid of how much it will cost, then you may compromise your health and your lifespan and make what comes next all the more costly.

hell even if you have insurance you still skip Doctor appointments and needed blood tests to save money…that’s what I do.

310 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:01:22pm

re: #308 Stanley Sea

One would think a woman would be more respectful of their own gender.

Unless….

311 Tigger2  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:01:44pm

re: #8 Radicchio ad Absurdum

“It doesn’t matter what I do,” he answered. “People need to hear what I have to say. There’s no one else who can say what I can say. It doesn’t matter what I live.”

Does this really surprise anyone?

That reminds me of the old saying ” Don’t do as I do, do as I say”

I’ve never had much respect for that saying either.

312 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:01:58pm

re: #298 jamesfirecat

Speaking of women who Tradewind doesn’t believe, have we heard any conformation or denial of the “Aqua Buddha” story?

Michelle Malkin hasn’t found out yet who the woman is or if she has granite counter tops.

Brietbart will be right there to send Hannah Hooker and Pimp O’Keefe in and stalk her and her family as soon as they find her, though…

313 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:02:02pm

re: #273 lostlakehiker

If you cap prices, you create shortages. This is a lesson that goes back to the time of the Roman Empire.

Dental work is just another sort of service, bought and sold in a free market, and the price is as fair as the price of a loaf of bread or a jug of wine.

We do not have a shortage of medical practitioners. We do not have a shortage of manufacturing for medical supplies. Capping costs on the practitioner’s end (assuming that the practitioner is allowed to still make a profit that will allow him to pay off his or her medical school loans and live a decent life) is much less the issue than cutting out the insurance middle man.

It is a parasitic industry that produces nothing and only profits of of the suffering of others while siphoning money out of the health care system.

Those who were all about “free market” insurance were really arguing for the rights of parasites to take money from sick people and medical doctors.

314 Kragar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:02:10pm

re: #307 Killgore Trout


Accuser: Rand Paul Did Not Kidnap Me But He Did Make Me Worship Aqua Buddha

Aqua Buddha, arch-nemesis of the Hypnotoad, rival of Mecha Shiva.

315 sagehen  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:02:11pm

re: #240 windsagio

HW was my Favorite Republican President. Actually a smart man, and he was the only one in recent memory that could actually look reality in the face and make tough decisions.

He only ranks 4th for me.

Abraham Lincoln
Teddy Roosevelot
Dwight Eisenhower

316 tradewind  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:02:35pm

re: #297 windsagio
That would be your task, since you’re the one who completely took my post out of context.
I merely said ’ who knows? ‘.
You invented out of whole cloth the idea that I said ’ she’s lying.’
You’re entitled to your opinion, but not your own set of facts.

317 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:03:11pm

regarding Newt and his wife or wives…..I learned long ago that every marriage has its own culture and one cannot, from the outside, ever make an accurate judgment as to who is right or wrong or who is bad or good.

318 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:03:11pm

Laters everybody.

Gotta go make dessert.

319 webevintage  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:03:13pm

re: #312 celticdragon

Michelle Malkin hasn’t found out yet who the woman is or if she has granite counter tops.

Brietbart will be right there to send Hannah Hooker and Pimp O’Keefe in and stalk her and her family as soon as they find her, though…

I have tried not to pay attention.
I wonder if Michelle has figured out what kind of counter tops the teacher Palin and that snot Bristol rolled their eyes at the other day has?

320 JamesWI  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:03:24pm

re: #289 celticdragon

Uh, you do know he gave the divorce paperwork to her as she was in the hospital fighting for her life?

That has been public knowledge for years.

That was the first wife. This one actually still seems to not hate him, despite all his crap. Sort of a “I should have known what I was getting into when I started finding out about how he treated his first wife, how big his ego was, etc.” She doesn’t seem to have any bitterness about her, which makes tradewind’s post utter BS.

321 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:03:26pm

re: #282 Fozzie Bear

This right here perfectly illustrates the nuttiness of supply-side economic “theory”. It’s not a jug of wine. It’s a service, without which, you very well may die.

That’s why we have welfare and charity. If you cannot buy it out of your own resources, somebody else will pay the tab for you. But if you control the price, then there won’t BE enough to go around. People who would have taken jobs as dentists will instead train to be plumbers, or accountants, or cosmetic surgeons, or something.

If the service simply isn’t available at any legal price, and if the government is powerful enough to prevent black market delivery of the service, you’re down to a pair of pliers.

322 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:04:02pm

re: #313 LudwigVanQuixote

We do not have a shortage of medical practitioners. We do not have a shortage of manufacturing for medical supplies. Capping costs on the practitioner’s end (assuming that the practitioner is allowed to still make a profit that will allow him to pay off his or her medical school loans and live a decent life) is much less the issue than cutting out the insurance middle man.

It is a parasitic industry that produces nothing and only profits of of the suffering of others while siphoning money out of the health care system.

Those who were all about “free market” insurance were really arguing for the rights of parasites to take money from sick people and medical doctors.

It consistently amazes me that people who would decry the cost of universal coverage don’t blink at the existence of a massive insurance “industry” that literally produces NOTHING of value. It just drives up costs for no gain for anyone but themselves.

Leeches. Fucking leeches.

323 acacia  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:04:20pm

“There’s no one else who can say what I can say.”

My goodness what an ego on this guy. I never liked him when he was the Speaker and his semi comeback is very disturbing.

324 garhighway  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:04:21pm

re: #292 jamesfirecat

The problem is that helathcare is a unique good with no alternative, besides death.

If the price of grain gets too high you can buy fruits or meat instead.

Even with the price of gas a person has other alternatives in public transportation/buy a bike/walk not necessarily great alternatives but you do have alternatives that will get you where you need to be and its up to each person to work out their own time traveled to money saved equation.

Helathcare isn’t like that.

If you compromise your healthcare either by not buying insurance since you figure you won’t need it, or skimping on how frequently you got to the doctor since you’re afraid of how much it will cost, then you may compromise your health and your lifespan and make what comes next all the more costly.

Heathcare should be a public utility like water or electricity, somethings are too important for the free market…

Additionally, the idea of health care as a commodity subject to normal price negotiation (like a car) overlooks the fact that most of the time, when you need it, you REALLY need it, and aren’t in an appropriate frame of mind to dicker over price. It is a cliche based on truth that when a loved one’s life is in jeopardy, you are not interested in haggling with the man you are counting on to effect a cure.

325 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:04:24pm

re: #237 windsagio

Sorry if I’m a bit extra-sharp tongued this afternoon, (#@*&$ 1000$ dental bill, when I was expecting about $500.

REFORM HEALTHCARE NOW DAMMIT!

Just buy toothpaste!
///
:P

326 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:04:31pm

re: #316 tradewind

You are just asking questions, clearly.

327 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:04:58pm

re: #292 jamesfirecat

The problem is that helathcare is a unique good with no alternative, besides death.

If the price of grain gets too high you can buy fruits or meat instead.

Even with the price of gas a person has other alternatives in public transportation/buy a bike/walk not necessarily great alternatives but you do have alternatives that will get you where you need to be and its up to each person to work out their own time traveled to money saved equation.

Helathcare isn’t like that.

If you compromise your healthcare either by not buying insurance since you figure you won’t need it, or skimping on how frequently you got to the doctor since you’re afraid of how much it will cost, then you may compromise your health and your lifespan and make what comes next all the more costly.

Heathcare should be a public utility like water or electricity, somethings are too important for the free market…

Fruit and meat usually cost much more than grain.

Water and electricity also COST MONEY, they are not free.

328 webevintage  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:05:07pm

The thing about the Disgraced Former Speaker of the House Gingrich is not that he is a douche to his wives/ex-wives, but that he truly believes that we need to “do as he says, not has he does”.
That is the real issue.

329 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:05:13pm

re: #326 Fozzie Bear

You are just asking questions, clearly.

We ask, you decide.

330 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:05:15pm

re: #309 webevintage

hell even if you have insurance you still skip Doctor appointments and needed blood tests to save money…that’s what I do.

Don’t skip the blood tests. Penny wise and pound foolish, that is. The equivalent of not changing your engine oil to save money.

331 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:05:25pm

re: #326 Fozzie Bear

So very concerned that we’re not jumping off the dock.

Women have terrible memories, you know?

332 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:05:29pm

re: #322 Fozzie Bear

It consistently amazes me that people who would decry the cost of universal coverage don’t blink at the existence of a massive insurance “industry” that literally produces NOTHING of value. It just drives up costs for no gain for anyone but themselves.

Leeches. Fucking leeches.

Ahh, but they are Republican leeches. Remember it’s OK for them to rape and pillage.

333 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:05:44pm

re: #324 garhighway

Additionally, the idea of health care as a commodity subject to normal price negotiation (like a car) overlooks the fact that most of the time, when you need it, you REALLY need it, and aren’t in an appropriate frame of mind to dicker over price. It is a cliche based on truth that when a loved one’s life is in jeopardy, you are not interested in haggling with the man you are counting on to effect a cure.

When you are very very sick, you don’t say to yourself “Hmm, I think I’ll shop around for a better price”.

334 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:05:48pm

re: #319 webevintage

I have tried not to pay attention.
I wonder if Michelle has figured out what kind of counter tops the teacher Palin and that snot Bristol rolled their eyes at the other day has?

The idiot “Gateway Pundit”at First Things has been debunked repeatedly in his smear attempts at her, and he doubles down and says “Keep spinning, libs.”

Not even an attempt to acknowledge he fucked up and made claims that amount to libel.

335 tradewind  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:06:08pm

re: #320 JamesWI Giving this to the press,
“I should have known what I was getting into when I started finding out about how he treated his first wife, how big his ego was, etc.”
Nope, no bitterness there. Just wants to show what a great guy he is.

336 Stanghazi  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:06:13pm

Oh and Newt left his first wife after she was recovering in the hospital from uterine cancer. The 2nd wife, after she was diagnosed with MS.

337 What, me worry?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:06:33pm

re: #268 marjoriemoon

They do not soak up 15-20% of my paycheck. That’s a big ole lie. My SS, last I checked was about $20 every 2 weeks.

Ok, I’m wayyy off on that number, but I haven’t looked at it in awhile. I just dug up my last paycheck.

I pay a lot more than that every 2 weeks, but when I calculated it, it came up to about .5% of my annual salary.

338 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:06:44pm

re: #332 LudwigVanQuixote


Except when their elected representatives are Democrats (as in the Senators from NY, CT, and DE would like to have a word with you)… /

339 Kragar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:06:55pm

re: #332 LudwigVanQuixote

Ahh, but they are Republican leeches. Remember it’s OK for them to rape and pillage.

Its God’s plan.

340 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:07:08pm

re: #327 Alouette

Fruit and meat usually cost much more than grain.

Water and electricity also COST MONEY, they are not free.

And all of it is going to very shortly start costing a lot more if we don’t get off of fossil fuels.

I suppose that three generations from now, Observant Jews will be able to be happy that algea food pellets are parve.

341 webevintage  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:07:28pm

re: #330 lostlakehiker

Don’t skip the blood tests. Penny wise and pound foolish, that is. The equivalent of not changing your engine oil to save money.

Just can’t afford them so I stretch the time out in between by re-scheduling Doctor’s appointments. He wants ever 2 months and I end up seeing him every 3-4 months instead.

342 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:08:01pm

re: #336 Stanley Sea

Oh and Newt left his first wife after she was recovering in the hospital from uterine cancer. The 2nd wife, after she was diagnosed with MS.

You know I try to keep this crap seperate from the way he poisoned the public discourse and from his terrible ideas about political/economic theory, but seeing that I always just think;

“God damn!”

343 tradewind  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:08:12pm

re: #326 Fozzie Bear
I’m not even asking them.
I’m saying that taking this at face value may not be the way to know the real story.
Then again, crap. We know he’s a serial adulterer who sucks at marriage. What else is there to know unless you’re a true soap opera fan….

344 sagehen  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:08:25pm

re: #268 marjoriemoon

They do not soak up 15-20% of my paycheck. That’s a big ole lie. My SS, last I checked was about $20 every 2 weeks.

And comparing the withholding to eventual benefits at retirement, low income people get a *much* better deal out of it than middle-income or high-income people. (in the lowest brackets, your pension could be as much as 40% what you used to earn when working).

345 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:08:50pm

re: #340 LudwigVanQuixote

One thing about algae food pellets: Its the world the classic futurists promised us!

346 Slap  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:08:50pm

I love Tom Tomorrow.

Presenting:

BOGUS WINGNUT SCANDALS OF THE FUTURE!!!!!

347 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:09:06pm

re: #338 lawhawk

Except when their elected representatives are Democrats (as in the Senators from NY, CT, and DE would like to have a word with you)… /

It is true that the Dems have no lack of bought and paid for whores. I concede your point.

However, opposition to a national insurance program is clearly, loudly, angrily, and passionately, a GOP thing overall. I do hope that you can concede that.

348 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:09:12pm

re: #335 tradewind

Giving this to the press,
“I should have known what I was getting into when I started finding out about how he treated his first wife, how big his ego was, etc.”
Nope, no bitterness there. Just wants to show what a great guy he is.

So, there’s nothing strange about the timing of Newt’s apology to Dobson? No guilty conscience there……….

349 AlexRogan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:09:35pm

re: #127 MandyManners

The Kid has more integrity than Newt, and he’s just 10.

An amoeba has more integrity than Newt…not meant as any sort of slam on The Kid, but Newt is a craven asshole that would say or do anything that would be politically expedient.

Just make sure that you dissuade The Kid from a future life in politics…it’s a fever swamp that can bring out the worst in even good people.

350 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:09:41pm

re: #322 Fozzie Bear

It consistently amazes me that people who would decry the cost of universal coverage don’t blink at the existence of a massive insurance “industry” that literally produces NOTHING of value. It just drives up costs for no gain for anyone but themselves.

Leeches. Fucking leeches.

My insurance paid a shitload of my medical bills so far. That’s produced a bank account value better than if I didn’t have insurance.

351 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:09:44pm

re: #345 windsagio

One thing about algae food pellets: Its the world the classic futurists promised us!

Yummy!

352 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:10:05pm

re: #324 garhighway

Additionally, the idea of health care as a commodity subject to normal price negotiation (like a car) overlooks the fact that most of the time, when you need it, you REALLY need it, and aren’t in an appropriate frame of mind to dicker over price. It is a cliche based on truth that when a loved one’s life is in jeopardy, you are not interested in haggling with the man you are counting on to effect a cure.

Not to mention you have little or no real ability to find out what the actual cost will be (especially in an emergency). Whatever you get told in a consult here, it probably is not what you end up paying and particularly not if a hospital is involved. The flow of information is strictly one way.

353 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:10:44pm

re: #350 NJDhockeyfan

heh, going to bat for the insurance industry. I admire your courage!~


(Unless they’re paying you to do it)

354 tradewind  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:10:54pm

re: #348 tnguitarist
I guess I’m just not all that interested in Newt and his foibles.
My whole point was that it’s always suspect when one side of a failed marriage tells the ’ real story ‘.

355 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:10:59pm

re: #350 NJDhockeyfan

My insurance paid a shitload of my medical bills so far. That’s produced a bank account value better than if I didn’t have insurance.

And if there were a national program not sucking billions of dollars each year out of the healthcare system, you would have an even better bank and access to more care.

356 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:11:01pm

re: #339 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Its God’s plan.

It’s a blessing…

357 Kragar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:11:13pm

Former enemies US, Vietnam now military mates

ABOARD THE USS GEORGE WASHINGTON – Cold War enemies the United States and Vietnam demonstrated their blossoming military relations Sunday as a U.S. nuclear supercarrier cruised in waters off the Southeast Asian nation’s coast — sending a message that China is not the region’s only big player.

The visit comes 35 years after the Vietnam War as Washington and Hanoi are cozying up in a number of areas, from negotiating a controversial deal to share civilian nuclear fuel and technology to agreeing that China needs to work with its neighbors to resolve territorial claims in the South China Sea.

The USS George Washington’s stop is officially billed as a commemoration of last month’s 15th anniversary of normalized diplomatic relations between the former foes. But the timing also reflects Washington’s heightened interest in maintaining security and stability in the Asia-Pacific amid tensions following the sinking of a South Korean warship in March, which killed 46 sailors. North Korea has been blamed for the attack, but has vehemently denied any involvement.

Last month during an Asian security meeting in Vietnam’s capital, Hanoi, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton also angered China by unexpectedly calling on the Communist powerhouse to resolve territorial claims with neighboring Southeast Asian countries over islands in the South China Sea.

“The strategic implications and importance of the waters of the South China Sea and the freedom of navigation is vital to both Vietnam and the United States,” Capt. Ross Myers, commander of the George Washington’s air wing, said aboard the ship Sunday as fighter jets thundered off the flight deck above.

358 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:11:20pm

re: #164 KingKenrod

By putting them in a group and assuming they all have the same interests. “They’re hispanic, so they must be A, B, C…”.

We call that…


…politics.

it’d be as if I were called a bigot for saying that I don’t understand why there are gay Republicans. Of course there are gay republicans out there who are more interested in the GOP platform than their own rights. I just, you know, find that sort of ridiculous and don’t understand it.

359 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:11:25pm

re: #351 LudwigVanQuixote

Its just funny to me what they thought people would want at the time. “Real meals? Who wants that?! Food pellets are the future!”

360 sagehen  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:11:40pm

re: #282 Fozzie Bear

This right here perfectly illustrates the nuttiness of supply-side economic “theory”. It’s not a jug of wine. It’s a service, without which, you very well may die.


I wish I could remember where I found this quote:

“The free-market price for life-saving medical care for your child is everything you have, plus 10%.”

361 simoom  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:11:55pm

Does anyone know if it’s possible to search LGF Pages comments? I’ve been trying to use both the LGF Page Search and the regular LGF Search to find some comments I posted to LGF Pages, but either I’m doing it wrong or maybe it’s not possible yet? I’m sure I can find them with Google, but I was just curious if it was possible through LGF.

362 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:12:08pm

re: #324 garhighway

Additionally, the idea of health care as a commodity subject to normal price negotiation (like a car) overlooks the fact that most of the time, when you need it, you REALLY need it, and aren’t in an appropriate frame of mind to dicker over price. It is a cliche based on truth that when a loved one’s life is in jeopardy, you are not interested in haggling with the man you are counting on to effect a cure.

Well to the GOP types, dollars are always more important than lives. Just look at their takes on any social program.

363 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:12:19pm

re: #355 LudwigVanQuixote

And if there were a national program not sucking billions of dollars each year out of the healthcare system, you would have an even better bank and access to more care.

Do you mean insurance??

364 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:12:20pm

re: #361 simoom

Does anyone know if it’s possible to search LGF Pages comments? I’ve been trying to use both the LGF Page Search and the regular LGF Search to find some comments I posted to LGF Pages, but either I’m doing it wrong or maybe it’s not possible yet? I’m sure I can find them with Google, but I was just curious if it was possible through LGF.

Afaik, theres a bug right now, search doesn’t work on pages.

365 JamesWI  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:12:25pm

re: #335 tradewind

Giving this to the press,
“I should have known what I was getting into when I started finding out about how he treated his first wife, how big his ego was, etc.”
Nope, no bitterness there. Just wants to show what a great guy he is.

Have you read the piece? She still seems to actually like the guy (and not in a “I love him so much, I want him back” jealous sort of way). The fact that she stayed essentially silent this whole time, when she could have come out and blasted him with justified vitriol, is actually quite remarkable.

366 subsailor68  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:12:26pm

re: #337 marjoriemoon

Ok, I’m wayyy off on that number, but I haven’t looked at it in awhile. I just dug up my last paycheck.

I pay a lot more than that every 2 weeks, but when I calculated it, it came up to about .5% of my annual salary.

Hi marjoriemoon! You’re still just a little bit off. Here’s a chart that shows what the actual percentages are:

FICA and SECA Tax Rates

If you look at the bottom (1990 - later) you’ll see your combined nut is 7.65 percent. Your employer also pays another 7.65 percent, so your total for these is 15.3 percent. If you look at the self-employed column to the right, you’ll see that someone working for himself pays the entire 15.3 percent.

367 Stanghazi  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:12:32pm

re: #354 tradewind

I guess I’m just not all that interested in Newt and his foibles.
My whole point was that it’s always suspect when one side of a failed marriage tells the ’ real story ‘.

No, you just suspect women who speak negatively of GOP pols.

368 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:12:57pm

re: #355 LudwigVanQuixote

And if there were a national program not sucking billions of dollars each year out of the healthcare system, you would have an even better bank and access to more care.

I have nothing to say to you. You are a proven liar about me so go give someone else your garbage posts. I don’t like liars so I’m through with you.

369 KingKenrod  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:13:14pm

re: #334 celticdragon

The idiot “Gateway Pundit”at First Things has been debunked repeatedly in his smear attempts at her, and he doubles down and says “Keep spinning, libs.”

Not even an attempt to acknowledge he fucked up and made claims that amount to libel.

No other site is as aggressively FAIL as GP.

370 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:13:34pm

re: #273 lostlakehiker

If you cap prices, you create shortages. This is a lesson that goes back to the time of the Roman Empire.

“They’re f———g taking all the money back from you guys?” complains an Enron employee on the tapes. “All the money you guys stole from those poor grandmothers in California?”

“Yeah, grandma Millie, man”

“Yeah, now she wants her f———g money back for all the power you’ve charged right up, jammed right up her a——— for f———g $250 a megawatt hour.”

371 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:14:07pm

re: #353 windsagio

heh, going to bat for the insurance industry. I admire your courage!~

(Unless they’re paying you to do it)

I wish!
LOL

372 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:14:10pm

re: #368 NJDhockeyfan

I have nothing to say to you. You are a proven liar about me so go give someone else your garbage posts. I don’t like liars so I’m through with you.

Its the ol’ I’m losing the argument with Ludwig, time to try to make him lose his temper! ploy.

373 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:14:47pm

re: #370 goddamnedfrank

Dammit, they’re talking about principle here, not reality!!

374 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:15:29pm

re: #372 windsagio

Its the ol’ I’m losing the argument with Ludwig, time to try to make him lose his temper! ploy.

No, it’s the old ‘I don’t deal with bold face liars’ quote.

375 tradewind  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:15:33pm

re: #365 JamesWI
You may be right. I suppose that if I had children in her situation, though, and did feel as you say she appears to, I would never, ever speak a word to the press about their father. Just like McChrystal giving an interview to Rolling Stone, you should know better than to think any good is going to come of it….
that is, if good is what you are indeed interested in.

376 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:15:43pm

re: #236 cronus

Not directed at any specific comment but since its one of the thread topics…

What a difference a decade makes. I can remember in 2000 how fired up rank and file Republicans were about making inroads with Hispanics. They talked about what an asset it was to have GWB as a nominee in that regard, that it was great that Jeb Bush had an articulate son with an Hispanic heritage and on and on.

If you wanted a case study in how to alienate a critical voting block, you would study how those Republican aspirations fell victim to Tancredo-esque demagoguery in less than a decade.

It’s funny that the one thing I was 100% with Bush on, his immigration policies, is the one thing the GOP just whole-sale reversed on.

377 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:15:46pm

re: #360 sagehen

I wish I could remember where I found this quote:

“The free-market price for life-saving medical care for your child is everything you have, plus 10%.”

Real John Galt capitalists would have never let their kid get sick in the first place. If your kid is sick, that is prima facie evidence that you are a moocher and a loser whose gene pool is infecting everybody else’s Galt essence.

378 blueraven  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:15:55pm

re: #354 tradewind

I guess I’m just not all that interested in Newt and his foibles.
My whole point was that it’s always suspect when one side of a failed marriage tells the ’ real story ‘.

Seems the only woman that you believe lately is the Portland masseuse who charged sexual harassment against Al Gore.//

379 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:16:01pm

re: #368 NJDhockeyfan

I have nothing to say to you. You are a proven liar about me so go give someone else your garbage posts. I don’t like liars so I’m through with you.

Wingnutsayswhat?

380 What, me worry?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:16:35pm

re: #361 simoom

Does anyone know if it’s possible to search LGF Pages comments? I’ve been trying to use both the LGF Page Search and the regular LGF Search to find some comments I posted to LGF Pages, but either I’m doing it wrong or maybe it’s not possible yet? I’m sure I can find them with Google, but I was just curious if it was possible through LGF.

Click on your avatar so your window pops up and then click RECENT COMMENTS. That should give you your recent comments.

381 theheat  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:16:50pm

Newt may very well win the GOP nomination, but he’ll always be a douchebag to me. If he saved a litter of puppies from a burning building: still a douchebag. The man has douchebag DNA, and save for being on target about some things some of the time, which isn’t very remarkable, it doesn’t change what he is. Douche-y to the core. It’s so much of what he is, given the choice, he’ll always gravitate to what’s douchiest.

Might I add, he’s in really good company these days. He’s proudly spearheading politics at its douchiest in recent memory, and it’s not by accident.

382 darthstar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:17:01pm

re: #374 NJDhockeyfan

No, it’s the old ‘I don’t deal with bold face liars’ quote.

“…take every four hours or as needed.

383 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:17:15pm

re: #292 jamesfirecat

The problem is that helathcare is a unique good with no alternative, besides death.

If the price of grain gets too high you can buy fruits or meat instead.

Even with the price of gas a person has other alternatives in public transportation/buy a bike/walk not necessarily great alternatives but you do have alternatives that will get you where you need to be and its up to each person to work out their own time traveled to money saved equation.

Helathcare isn’t like that.

If you compromise your healthcare either by not buying insurance since you figure you won’t need it, or skimping on how frequently you got to the doctor since you’re afraid of how much it will cost, then you may compromise your health and your lifespan and make what comes next all the more costly.

Heathcare should be a public utility like water or electricity, somethings are too important for the free market…

If the price of food is too high, you will die no matter how healthy you are. There is no alternative to food.

Scarce goods are never available in the quantity people would like. If they’re allocated by the State, then people will consume as much of each scarce good as they’re allotted, even if they’d rather have more of one and less of another.

This results in misallocation of resources. Unless you want to say that poor people are too stupid to know their own needs and parcel out the money you give them sensibly, the way to use State power to shore up the lives of the poor is to give them some money. They can then decide whether they want the tooth pulled, saving money there so as to have more for food, shelter, clothing, or some small luxury, or whether they’d rather have the root canal work done, forgoing something in the way of food, shelter, clothing, or little luxuries.

As to those of us who are not poor, we face the same decisions and it’s quite impossible for the government to give us our daily bread. We shall have to earn it. And our wine, and our dental care.

Dental care almost never runs into calamitous sums. With ordinary frugality and prudence, we can save for rainy days and pay, just as we save for new tires when the old ones get bald, etc. etc. We can easily cut out the middleman by simply forgoing insurance and paying cash at the time of service.

384 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:17:35pm

re: #376 WindUpBird

It’s funny that the one thing I was 100% with Bush on, his immigration policies, is the one thing the GOP just whole-sale reversed on.

I’m right there with you. It was the one move Bush made that made me cheer the man… And his party fucking torpedoes him.

385 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:17:57pm

re: #382 darthstar

“…take every four hours or as needed.

Thank you! I’m on meds as it is. Heh.

386 Amory Blaine  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:17:57pm

This looks like a fun treat!!!!!

387 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:18:12pm

re: #355 LudwigVanQuixote

And if there were a national program not sucking billions of dollars each year out of the healthcare system, you would have an even better bank and access to more care.

yeah, the argument that because it works at all means it’s great, that’s not really a strong argument.

“My car, it’s totally awesome. It starts when I put the key in the ignition most of the time!!!

388 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:18:26pm

re: #384 Fozzie Bear

The bush cynic that I am, I think it was less a belief of his, more what they told him he had to say to win votes.

389 darthstar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:18:28pm

re: #385 NJDhockeyfan

Thank you! I’m on meds as it is. Heh.

just a friendly reminder to stay on them.

390 What, me worry?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:18:42pm

re: #366 subsailor68

Hi marjoriemoon! You’re still just a little bit off. Here’s a chart that shows what the actual percentages are:

FICA and SECA Tax Rates

If you look at the bottom (1990 - later) you’ll see your combined nut is 7.65 percent. Your employer also pays another 7.65 percent, so your total for these is 15.3 percent. If you look at the self-employed column to the right, you’ll see that someone working for himself pays the entire 15.3 percent.

Well math was never my strong suit :) but I’m still not getting that percentage on my annual salary. I do have money coming off the top for 401K so maybe that has something to do with it?

391 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:19:06pm

re: #363 celticdragon

Do you mean insurance??

Yes, after doin much research into this during the healthcare reform debate, I strongly favor the sort of system they have in Germany and Denmark, where there are private medical practitioners and a nationally funded insurance program.

Part of your paycheck goes to insurance anyway. I don’t see how keeping more of your money by paying a tax, and eliminating paying for corporate profits would not be a better thing just in principle.

In practice though the hard numbers are very clear. The Germans and the Danes have first world medicine and they have a fraction of the healthcare costs because they cut many other snouts from the trough. Since the practitioners themselves are still private, you get all the benefits of competition for the delivery of the actual “product.”

392 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:19:39pm

re: #337 marjoriemoon

Ok, I’m wayyy off on that number, but I haven’t looked at it in awhile. I just dug up my last paycheck.

I pay a lot more than that every 2 weeks, but when I calculated it, it came up to about .5% of my annual salary.

zero point five percent? That doesn’t make sense. That’d be like $250 over the course of a year, out of a $50 000 salary, or $100 a year, out of $20 000.

393 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:19:46pm

re: #381 theheat

Newt may very well win the GOP nomination, but he’ll always be a douchebag to me. If he saved a litter of puppies from a burning building: still a douchebag. The man has douchebag DNA, and save for being on target about some things some of the time, which isn’t very remarkable, it doesn’t change what he is. Douche-y to the core. It’s so much of what he is, given the choice, he’ll always gravitate to what’s douchiest.

Might I add, he’s in really good company these days. He’s proudly spearheading politics at its douchiest in recent memory, and it’s not by accident.

I still think it is Sarah’s to lose. Romney doesn’t have a chance with the Evangelical base (my own mother said she would never vote for a Mormon under any circumstances) and the list runs real thin after that.

394 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:19:58pm

re: #327 Alouette

Fruit and meat usually cost much more than grain.

Water and electricity also COST MONEY, they are not free.

Not saying they are free.

Not saying Healthcare would be free as a utility, only saying that somethings are too critical to our pursuit of happiness to leave to the free market to determine the price of…

395 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:20:06pm

re: #391 LudwigVanQuixote

Interestingly, both of those countries both have Energy Policies about 1 million years advanced of ours :D

That should be the plan tho’, yes.

396 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:20:17pm

re: #389 darthstar

just a friendly reminder to stay on them.

You a doctor dude?

397 tradewind  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:20:58pm

re: #376 WindUpBird
Jorge Ramos, anchor at Univision, says Obama has quickly worn out his good will with Hispanics.
motherjones.com

398 Amory Blaine  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:21:13pm

re: #391 LudwigVanQuixote

Plus, they don’t have millions of educated people working in a parasitic insurance scam. These people are better employed in more beneficial markets.

399 webevintage  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:21:50pm

My new favorite candidate:

Ben Quayle, son of former Vice President Dan Quayle, wants voters in Arizona’s 3rd Congressional District to send him to Congress so he can “knock the hell out of Washington.” At least that’s what he’s telling them in a new campaign ad released Wednesday


huffingtonpost.com

wonkette.com

Arizona Congressional candidate Ben Quayle had previously denied he was a contributor to a website called “Dirty Scottsdale” a few years back. But now he is admitting that he couldn’t even get a blogging job with this site, which he’s said was “satirical,” because he says he “just posted comments to try to drive some traffic.” That is worse.

He also sent out a mailing with him playing with two girls inferring he was a family values guy with kids except the kids are not his. Him and his wife have no children yet.

I wonder if he has an Aqua Buddha in his past or thinks chickens are a good way to pay your Doctor.

400 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:22:23pm

re: #391 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes, after doin much research into this during the healthcare reform debate, I strongly favor the sort of system they have in Germany and Denmark, where there are private medical practitioners and a nationally funded insurance program.

Part of your paycheck goes to insurance anyway. I don’t see how keeping more of your money by paying a tax, and eliminating paying for corporate profits would not be a better thing just in principle.

In practice though the hard numbers are very clear. The Germans and the Danes have first world medicine and they have a fraction of the healthcare costs because they cut many other snouts from the trough. Since the practitioners themselves are still private, you get all the benefits of competition for the delivery of the actual “product.”

I saw a damned good documentary on that. Another problem we have not dealt with a lack of supply. You won’t find experienced RN nurses going to teach at nursing schools when they get 300% more working the floor at a hospital…and we are getting short on nurses, nurse practitioners, PA’s and MD’s.

401 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:22:26pm

I guess if Newt’s political ambitions don’t turn out as he hopes, he can always become a dominionist preacher, probably a side effect of all this cozying up to the Dobsonoids

402 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:22:58pm

re: #401 WindUpBird

He’d have to at least experiment first, get the proper feel for sin.

403 simoom  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:23:33pm

re: #380 marjoriemoon

Click on your avatar so your window pops up and then click RECENT COMMENTS. That should give you your recent comments.

As far as I can tell, comments to LGF Pages aren’t included in an LGF Search, so they won’t show up with a Recent Comments search. I did manage to find the comments I was after with the Google LGF Custom Search though.

404 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:23:35pm

re: #383 lostlakehiker

Dental care is remarkably cheap if you don’t neglect your teeth. A pack of dental floss cost $2.50. A semi-annual cleaning costs $110.

405 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:23:41pm

re: #391 LudwigVanQuixote

I like the Dutch healthcare system…My friend over there swears by it..
Everybody Pays 125-150 Euros a month for national insurance.. Even if you are on unemployment insurance..It still comes out of your check..BTW the dutch live longer than any Europeans or Americans…I think it’s more than Genes but world class care

406 tradewind  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:23:54pm

re: #401 WindUpBird
He’s made tons of cash on his books, and he’d just go back to teaching.
He has too much professor in him, actually, to be a really effective pol.

407 ShaunP  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:24:19pm

re: #397 tradewind

Jorge Ramos, anchor at Univision, says Obama has quickly worn out his good will with Hispanics.
[Link: motherjones.com…]

I know this is not where you were going, but that article basically makes Harry Reid’s point. The main argument Ramos is making is that immigration is a major issue for hispanic voters…

408 garhighway  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:24:22pm

re: #406 tradewind

He’s made tons of cash on his books, and he’d just go back to teaching.
He has too much professor in him, actually, to be a really effective pol.

Plus he’s a scumbag.

409 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:24:32pm

re: #399 webevintage

My new favorite candidate:


[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]

[Link: wonkette.com…]

He also sent out a mailing with him playing with two girls inferring he was a family values guy with kids except the kids are not his. Him and his wife have no children yet.

I wonder if he has an Aqua Buddha in his past or thinks chickens are a good way to pay your Doctor.

I used to run around with his 1st cousin. I’ve got some juicy stories that I might have to tell some time…..

410 darthstar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:24:48pm

re: #396 NJDhockeyfan

You a doctor dude?

Nah…just interjecting myself into the early stages of a flame war before someone says something someone else finds offensive, then virtual threats are exchanged, someone else’s e-chismo is challenged, and the thread degrades into a litany of responses by yet another person feigning outrage at the suggestion that a piece of biomass be used as a projectile in a homo-erotic way against the anatomy of another person’s physical being.

411 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:24:48pm

re: #406 tradewind

He’s made tons of cash on his books, and he’d just go back to teaching.
He has too much rat in him, actually, to be a really effective pol.

FixT.


Man who’d ever think they’d have to say ‘Hes too much of a rat to be in politics?’

412 AlexRogan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:24:58pm

re: #376 WindUpBird

It’s funny that the one thing I was 100% with Bush on, his immigration policies, is the one thing the GOP just whole-sale reversed on.

re: #384 Fozzie Bear

I’m right there with you. It was the one move Bush made that made me cheer the man… And his party fucking torpedoes him.

Don’t you know? Tolerance and sanity is old and busted, intolerance and insanity is the new hotness…

/Men In Black 2

413 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:25:06pm

re: #391 LudwigVanQuixote


In practice though the hard numbers are very clear. The Germans and the Danes have first world medicine and they have a fraction of the healthcare costs because they cut many other snouts from the trough. Since the practitioners themselves are still private, you get all the benefits of competition for the delivery of the actual “product.”

You know, though, that the libertarian and “just world theory” wing of the GOP thinks poor distribution is a feature and not a bug. If you can’t afford your life saving treatment, then you don’t deserve it.

I wish I was kidding.

414 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:25:38pm

re: #388 windsagio

The bush cynic that I am, I think it was less a belief of his, more what they told him he had to say to win votes.

I think the Schiavo stuff was cynicism on Bush’s part and the GOP just saying WE GOT THIS GREAT SOCIAL ISSUE OH OH, but I honestly think he was pro-immigration in his heart, he did legitimately seem to be in the camp of “Hispanics could totally be future republicans if we, ya know, don’t demonize them!”

415 subsailor68  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:25:52pm

re: #390 marjoriemoon

Well math was never my strong suit :) but I’m still not getting that percentage on my annual salary. I do have money coming off the top for 401K so maybe that has something to do with it?

Hmmm…great question. I’ll need to look that up. If a 401K contribution is pre-tax, I suppose it could lower the dollar amount, but not the percentage. For example, if you make $100, your FICA/SECA would be $15.30. But, if your 401K investment is $20.00 and the taxable income is $80.00, the dollar amount you paid would be $12.24. It’s still 15.3 percent of your taxable earnings, but the pre-tax 401K amount would make the actual dollars look lower if you divided what was paid into your total earnings (e.g. $12.24 is 12.2 percent of $100.)

Any financial folks here? Is FICA/SECA calculated on all earnings or those after pre-tax investments?

416 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:26:03pm

re: #410 darthstar

I really want someone to threaten to flounce, so I can play this:

Youtube Video

But nobody has jumped lately :(

417 Kragar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:26:14pm

re: #412 talon_262

re: #384 Fozzie Bear


Don’t you know? Tolerance and sanity is old and busted, intolerance and insanity is the new hotness…

/Men In Black 2

I thought asian women with big breasts were the new hotness.

Damn

418 Amory Blaine  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:26:42pm

re: #410 darthstar

Nah…just interjecting myself into the early stages of a flame war before someone says something someone else finds offensive, then virtual threats are exchanged, someone else’s e-chismo is challenged, and the thread degrades into a litany of responses by yet another person feigning outrage at the suggestion that a piece of biomass be used as a projectile in a homo-erotic way against the anatomy of another person’s physical being.

Is that like e-peen?

419 Kragar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:26:51pm

re: #416 windsagio

I really want someone to threaten to flounce, so I can play this:

[Video]

But nobody has jumped lately :(

I like the Cake version better.

420 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:27:04pm

re: #404 Alouette

Dental care is remarkably cheap if you don’t neglect your teeth. A pack of dental floss cost $2.50. A semi-annual cleaning costs $110.

Doesn’t always work that way, I have a friend with Bad Teeth, weak enamel, no matter how obsessively he takes care of them, they just fall apart. Both his parents had dentures before they were 50.

421 darthstar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:27:21pm

re: #416 windsagio

I really want someone to threaten to flounce, so I can play this:


[Video]But nobody has jumped lately :(

I prefer this version

Youtube Video

422 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:28:03pm

re: #419 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #421 darthstar

I just dig the funky old video :)

PS: SYNCHRONICITY!

423 aurelius  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:28:44pm

Juicy like Republican-senator-in-a-bathroom juicy, or juicy like Tory-MP-in-a-silk-scarf-autoerotically-asphyxiating-juicy (shudder)?

re: #409 tnguitarist

I used to run around with his 1st cousin. I’ve got some juicy stories that I might have to tell some time…

424 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:29:22pm

re: #413 celticdragon

You know, though, that the libertarian and “just world theory” wing of the GOP thinks poor distribution is a feature and not a bug. If you can’t afford your life saving treatment, then you don’t deserve it.

I wish I was kidding.

Of course you are completely right.

The delusions of the wingnuts on these matters are hopeless. They don’t want to help anyone. They see it as a virtue to scoff, but they never think that they too can fall on hard times. There is a wjeel that turns in this world and they somehow think that they are immune.

Of course, when they are not immune, and fate does catch up with them, they squeal like pigs.

425 Kragar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:29:23pm

Sarah Palin hacker trial provides ‘lolz’ courtesy of 4chan founder

The full transcript of Poole’s evidence from April’s trial, highlighted by website The Smoking Gun, is available for download as a PDF, but here is a relevant excerpt as he is questioned by prosecution and, later, defence lawyers.

Q. Is there a certain language that is commonly used for users of 4chan?

A. In what sense?

Q. Certain terms, have a meaning unique to 4chan?

A. Yes.

Q. Like “OP,” what is “OP”?

A. OP means original poster.

Q. Are you familiar these terms, having been the founder and administrator of the 4chan site?

A. Yes.

Q. What would “lurker” mean?

A. Somebody who browses but does not post, does not contribute.

Q. What do the words “caps” mean?

A. Screenshots.

Q. And is there any significance to “new fags”?

A. That is the term used to describe new users to the site.

Q. What about “b tard”?

A. It’s a term that users of the /b/- Random board use for themselves.

Q. What about “troll”?

A. Troublemaker.

Q. “404”?

A. 404 is the status code for not found. It means essentially gone or not found.

Q. Not found on where, the 4chan site?

A. 404 is the http status code for not found, a page not found by the Web server.

Q. In what about “peeps”?

A. People.

Q. “Rickroll”?

A. Rickroll is a mean or Internet kind of trend that started on 4chan where users — it basically a bait and switch. Users link you to a video of Rick Astley performing Never Gonna Give You Up.

[…]

Q. And the term “rickroll” you said it tries make people go to a site where they think it is going be one thing, but it is a video of Rick Astley, is right?

A. Yes.

Q. He was some kind of singer?

A. Yes.

Q. It’s a joke?

A. Yes.

426 garhighway  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:29:30pm

re: #410 darthstar

Nah…just interjecting myself into the early stages of a flame war before someone says something someone else finds offensive, then virtual threats are exchanged, someone else’s e-chismo is challenged, and the thread degrades into a litany of responses by yet another person feigning outrage at the suggestion that a piece of biomass be used as a projectile in a homo-erotic way against the anatomy of another person’s physical being.

I like how you roll.

427 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:30:08pm

re: #405 HoosierHoops

I like the Dutch healthcare system…My friend over there swears by it..
Everybody Pays 125-150 Euros a month for national insurance.. Even if you are on unemployment insurance..It still comes out of your check..BTW the dutch live longer than any Europeans or Americans…I think it’s more than Genes but world class care

Good points.

428 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:30:35pm
429 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:30:41pm

re: #410 darthstar

Nah…just interjecting myself into the early stages of a flame war before someone says something someone else finds offensive, then virtual threats are exchanged, someone else’s e-chismo is challenged, and the thread degrades into a litany of responses by yet another person feigning outrage at the suggestion that a piece of biomass be used as a projectile in a homo-erotic way against the anatomy of another person’s physical being.

What a strange comment.

430 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:31:03pm

re: #425 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

it’s so weird seeing this stuff suddenly in the “real” news :D

431 darthstar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:31:21pm

re: #429 NJDhockeyfan

What a strange comment.

Take a look a the thread from last night and you will understand.

432 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:31:33pm

re: #425 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I also had no idea moot was TESTIFYING, wow

433 Kragar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:31:41pm

re: #427 LudwigVanQuixote

Good points.

Wouldn’t it all be so much better and simpler if we simply paid our annual 10% tithing to the Church and trust that any illness that befalls us is simply God’s plan?

/

434 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:31:42pm

re: #430 WindUpBird

it’s so weird seeing this stuff suddenly in the “real” news :D

Proof that we’re finally taking over!

435 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:31:43pm

re: #430 WindUpBird

it’s so weird seeing this stuff suddenly in the “real” news :D

NO U

436 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:32:01pm

re: #429 NJDhockeyfan

What a strange comment.

Accurate observations are strange, now? okay

437 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:32:25pm

re: #436 WindUpBird

Doesn’t understand the fancy words.

438 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:32:35pm

re: #434 windsagio

Proof that we’re finally taking over!

man, when we’re senior citizens, it’s going to be hilarious

imagine a bunch of channers in a nursing home

439 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:33:07pm
440 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:33:14pm

re: #435 Varek Raith

NO U

THIS THREAD DELIVERS

441 Kragar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:33:18pm

re: #432 WindUpBird

I also had no idea moot was TESTIFYING, wow

Do you swear you did it for the lolz, the whole lolz and nothing but the lolz, so help you ceiling cat?

442 theheat  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:33:25pm

re: #393 celticdragon

Then let Sarah lose. She’s already endorsed some of the most inept, hateful, and extreme freaks out there. It isn’t as if her world view is any kind of secret. Add the fact she’s nearly brain dead, thoroughly dishonest, and only half literate, and she’s reduced to insufferable static.

There’s no upside to Sarah. She’s a parasite. A parasite with really shitty intentions.

443 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:33:30pm

re: #423 aurelius

Juicy like Republican-senator-in-a-bathroom juicy, or juicy like Tory-MP-in-a-silk-scarf-autoerotically-asphyxiatin g-juicy (shudder)?

Nothing too awful. He’s a nice guy, but a religious nut. Our friendship ended when he tried to explain to me how good slaves used to have it.

444 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:33:34pm

re: #431 darthstar

Take a look a the thread from last night and you will understand.

Don’t have time but thanks anyway.

445 sagehen  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:33:38pm

re: #383 lostlakehiker

Scarce goods are never available in the quantity people would like. If they’re allocated by the State, then people will consume as much of each scarce good as they’re allotted, even if they’d rather have more of one and less of another.

This results in misallocation of resources. Unless you want to say that poor people are too stupid to know their own needs and parcel out the money you give them sensibly, the way to use State power to shore up the lives of the poor is to give them some money. They can then decide whether they want the tooth pulled, saving money there so as to have more for food, shelter, clothing, or some small luxury, or whether they’d rather have the root canal work done, forgoing something in the way of food, shelter, clothing, or little luxuries.

HEALTH CARE ISN”T LIKE OTHER GOODS!

Nobody’s going to be more willing to break their leg in three places, or have a heart attack, or get cancer, knowing there’s a government program to pay for their treatment. It’s just as painful, and potentially deadly, even the biggest mooch ever isn’t going to say “oh yeah, might as well since it’s free.”

And nobody’s very clever, conscientious planning is going to prevent the muscular dystrophy or ALS or who knows how many other things can just happen.

Of course, there’s the people whose lungs are full of crap, dying in agony, because they spent a few weeks digging in the pile at ground zero, first hoping to find survivors, then hoping to recover remains. Suckers shouldn’t have put themselves at risk that way, it’s their own damn fault, let them pay their own damn bills. Right? Let them be an object
lesson to anybody faced with a similar choice to make in the future.

446 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:34:10pm

Q. And the term “rickroll” you said it tries make people go to a site where they think it is going be one thing, but it is a video of Rick Astley, is right?

A. Yes.

Q. He was some kind of singer?

A. Yes.

Q. It’s a joke?

A. Yes.

447 darthstar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:34:32pm

re: #437 windsagio

Doesn’t understand the fancy words.

Now, now…be gentle.

448 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:35:15pm

re: #447 darthstar

I’m trying, still pisst about the GODDAMN $1000 I JUST HAD TO SPEND!

449 Amory Blaine  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:35:22pm

re: #445 sagehen

HEALTH CARE ISN”T LIKE OTHER GOODS!

Nobody’s going to be more willing to break their leg in three places, or have a heart attack, or get cancer, knowing there’s a government program to pay for their treatment. It’s just as painful, and potentially deadly, even the biggest mooch ever isn’t going to say “oh yeah, might as well since it’s free.”

And nobody’s very clever, conscientious planning is going to prevent the muscular dystrophy or ALS or who knows how many other things can just happen.

Of course, there’s the people whose lungs are full of crap, dying in agony, because they spent a few weeks digging in the pile at ground zero, first hoping to find survivors, then hoping to recover remains. Suckers shouldn’t have put themselves at risk that way, it’s their own damn fault, let them pay their own damn bills. Right? Let them be an object
lesson to anybody faced with a similar choice to make in the future.

Who are the heroes in our country if not them?

450 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:35:24pm

re: #445 sagehen

HEALTH CARE ISN”T LIKE OTHER GOODS!

Nobody’s going to be more willing to break their leg in three places, or have a heart attack, or get cancer, knowing there’s a government program to pay for their treatment. It’s just as painful, and potentially deadly, even the biggest mooch ever isn’t going to say “oh yeah, might as well since it’s free.”

And nobody’s very clever, conscientious planning is going to prevent the muscular dystrophy or ALS or who knows how many other things can just happen.

Of course, there’s the people whose lungs are full of crap, dying in agony, because they spent a few weeks digging in the pile at ground zero, first hoping to find survivors, then hoping to recover remains. Suckers shouldn’t have put themselves at risk that way, it’s their own damn fault, let them pay their own damn bills. Right? Let them be an object
lesson to anybody faced with a similar choice to make in the future.

Thank you. And repeated for emphasis:

HEALTH CARE ISN”T LIKE OTHER GOODS!

451 robdouth  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:35:25pm

re: #21 cliffster

I’ll give you that if you’ll be honest as to what women are also. Especially if you’re going to reduce all men to one stereotype.

452 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:35:41pm

Your head is close to the ceiling fan. You leave it all to J-Dogg.

453 Amory Blaine  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:37:28pm

re: #450 WindUpBird

Thank you. And repeated for emphasis:

I would like to purchase some health care and stock my pantry with it for a rainy day please.

454 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:38:00pm

re: #443 tnguitarist

Nothing too awful. He’s a nice guy, but a religious nut. Our friendship ended when he tried to explain to me how good slaves used to have it.

oh noooo wow really? I was just talking about the whole confederacy apologist thing with a friend of mine whose dad is a civil war historian. I guess there’s just a nest of beardo confederate-apologist southerners on Boardgamegeek.com that he delights in bestowing new rectums upon :D

455 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:38:41pm

re: #453 Amory Blaine

I would like to purchase some health care and stock my pantry with it for a rainy day please.

I don’t have cancer now, but I’m totally going down to the Costco and stocking up on crates of chemo in case I do

456 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:38:53pm

re: #454 WindUpBird

I so envy him (note: yeah I know him too :p)

All the neoconfederates that post on here are easily spooked ;)

457 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:39:14pm

re: #455 WindUpBird

Pick me up some Oxy while you’re down there, eh?

458 zora  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:39:27pm

re: #194 marjoriemoon

Insulting or not (and I don’t think it is at all), Reid is right. The Republican party seems to work overtime to hurt the elderly and minorities. Rick Scott of FL, the crook Republican “outsider” who is very sadly making some progress, wants to drug test welfare recipients. Let’s talk about adding more money to the deficit through drug testing instead of helping out the poor and infirm.

John Boehner wants to raise the retirement age so the rest of us poor slobs have to work until 70, IF we make it to 70.

I have no idea why a Black or Hispanic person would want to vote Republican.

i agree completely and will add gay to the list.

459 darthstar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:39:46pm

re: #448 windsagio

I’m trying, still pisst about the GODDAMN $1000 I JUST HAD TO SPEND!

Look at it this way…at least you were able to spend it. I hate getting hit with big-assed bills when I’m not expecting them, but knowing that I can recover from the hit does give me some comfort.

460 windsagio  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:41:33pm

re: #459 darthstar

Look at it this way…at least you were able to spend it. I hate getting hit with big-assed bills when I’m not expecting them, but knowing that I can recover from the hit does give me some comfort.

Very true, I can’t complain compared to the people who have had their lives ruined by the current system.

Gotta man up :D

461 garhighway  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:41:57pm

re: #450 WindUpBird

Thank you. And repeated for emphasis:

And regarding health insurers, know that about 20% (the precise amount varies by carrier) of the premiums paid go to non-health care expenditures.

By going with a private-insurance based solution to HCR, we perpetuate that inefficiency.

462 AlexRogan  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:43:50pm

re: #417 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I thought asian women with big breasts were the new hotness.

Damn

Asian women: hotness
Big breasts: Depends…anything larger than a good-sized grapefruit may be too much.

463 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:44:13pm

Republicans aren’t going to get anywhere with Hispanics if they continue to act like a bunch of Know-Nothings on immigration. I wasn’t a big fan of George W Bush but to his credit he didn’t pander to that crowd. I really do feel thinking about it that his motives were sincere. Never thought I’d say this but it would be better if the Republican Party had more George W Bushes and this goes without saying but less Sarah Palins.

464 darthstar  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:44:31pm

re: #460 windsagio

Very true, I can’t complain compared to the people who have had their lives ruined by the current system.

Gotta man up :D

You can still complain…hell, I would if I was in your shoes. Besides, complaining is fun!

465 Nimed  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:45:58pm

re: #416 windsagio

I really want someone to threaten to flounce, so I can play this:


[Video]

But nobody has jumped lately :(

I call you and raise you Franz Ferdinand.
Youtube Video

I love the sound of you walking away
Why don’t you walk away?
No buildings will fall down
Why don’t you walk away?
No quake will split the ground
Why don’t you walk away?
The sun won’t swallow the sky
Why don’t you walk away?
Statues will not cry

466 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:47:12pm

re: #278 tradewind

Like so many politicians, Newt’s personal life is nothing to emulate, and I don’t think he has any excuse. But reading this article which consists of interviews with a woman who ’ chain smokes her breakfast ’ ( maybe she needs some protein for recall?) while unburdening herself for publication calls up that old ’ scornedwifesayswhat?’…
I don’t think its beyond the realm of possibility that everything she has said for publication is not accurate.

My goodness, what a totally unmitigated GOP shill you are.

Let’s review the timeline, shall we?

A few days ago, Newtie went for a “come to Jesus” talk with Mr “Spankings Turn Me On” Dobson. At the time, Charles predicted it was because something like this was about to hit the newstands.

And sure enough, woot! there it is!

Newtie did not, you’ll note, attempt to deny anything.

And yet here you are doing it for him. Dumping on his ex-wife for being a smoker and all.

Your crackheaded flackery for “conservatives” is so transparent, I don’t know why I’d even bother to downding you.

467 zora  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:51:09pm

re: #298 jamesfirecat

Speaking of women who Tradewind doesn’t believe, have we heard any conformation or denial of the “Aqua Buddha” story?

videocafe.crooksandliars.com

Rand Paul Denies Kidnapping Woman in College but Can’t Recall if They Made Her Bow to the Aqua Buddha

468 ShaunP  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:51:23pm

re: #465 Nimed

I call you and raise you Franz Ferdinand.

[Video]

Well, if we’re going to do flounce songs…

Youtube Video

…Fantastic the panic that showed in his eyes,
He shrugged when I asked him about it,
He said, `Young man pay heed, you listen well to what I say,
Now there comes a time for a man to walk away,`

Walk away (walk away) I`ll be a parade,
And I`ll be determined that no one shall dissuade
On my way (dissuade) I`ll sure take some time,
To burn all the bridges that I`m leaving behind…

469 sagehen  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:54:18pm

re: #449 Amory Blaine

Who are the heroes in our country if not them?

I guess I should have sarc-tagged that last paragraph.

I’m angry that the bill to cover their care ($7.4 billion) ran into a mess this week.

The Republicans wanted a motion to recommit, they wanted to put amendments on it about immigration to embarrass the Dems. So the Dems offered it up through a procedure that makes it unamendable, but needs a supermajority to pass.

243 Democrats voted for it (out of 247), and 12 Republicans (out of 188).

Republicans are screaming “it’s the dems’ fault it lost, we don’t like your procedures. If you really wanted to pass it you’d have let it go for a straight vote with our amendment attached.” Democrats respond “it’s the reps’ fault it lost, what kind of assholes would deny these people their medical bills because they wanted to turn it into an immigration debate?”

Sagehen screams “even if some of the money did go to the care of illegal immgrants, FUCK YOU ALL CONGRESS! Thousands of random volunteers joined the cops and firefighters on that pile in the early days, and I don’t give a damn if a few of them were illegals. If I flip my car on the freeway and it’s on fire, and some passing migrant worker gets 3rd degree burns because he stops to pull my kid out before it explodes, I sure hope my response would be a little more gracious than ‘you shouldn’t have been here in the first place.’”

470 Nimed  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 1:56:29pm

re: #468 ShaunP

Man, good one!

471 Nimed  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 2:01:00pm

re: #468 ShaunP

Well, if we’re going to do flounce songs…


[Video]

Classic cheese:

Youtube Video

Goodbye to you, my trusted friend.
We’ve known each other since we’re nine or ten.
Together we climbed hills or trees.
Learned of love and ABC’s,
skinned our hearts and skinned our knees.
Goodbye my friend, it’s hard to die,
when all the birds are singing in the sky,
Now that the spring is in the air.
Pretty girls are everywhere.
When you see them I’ll be there.

We had joy, we had fun, we had seasons in the sun.
But the hills that we climbed
were just seasons out of time.

472 Amory Blaine  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 2:07:19pm

re: #469 sagehen

I guess I should have sarc-tagged that last paragraph.

I’m angry that the bill to cover their care ($7.4 billion) ran into a mess this week.

The Republicans wanted a motion to recommit, they wanted to put amendments on it about immigration to embarrass the Dems. So the Dems offered it up through a procedure that makes it unamendable, but needs a supermajority to pass.

243 Democrats voted for it (out of 247), and 12 Republicans (out of 188).

Republicans are screaming “it’s the dems’ fault it lost, we don’t like your procedures. If you really wanted to pass it you’d have let it go for a straight vote with our amendment attached.” Democrats respond “it’s the reps’ fault it lost, what kind of assholes would deny these people their medical bills because they wanted to turn it into an immigration debate?”

Sagehen screams “even if some of the money did go to the care of illegal immgrants, FUCK YOU ALL CONGRESS! Thousands of random volunteers joined the cops and firefighters on that pile in the early days, and I don’t give a damn if a few of them were illegals. If I flip my car on the freeway and it’s on fire, and some passing migrant worker gets 3rd degree burns because he stops to pull my kid out before it explodes, I sure hope my response would be a little more gracious than ‘you shouldn’t have been here in the first place.’”

I knew you were being sarcastic, I was just jumping on board with you.

473 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 2:07:25pm

re: #469 sagehen

I guess I should have sarc-tagged that last paragraph.

I’m angry that the bill to cover their care ($7.4 billion) ran into a mess this week.

The Republicans wanted a motion to recommit, they wanted to put amendments on it about immigration to embarrass the Dems. So the Dems offered it up through a procedure that makes it unamendable, but needs a supermajority to pass.

243 Democrats voted for it (out of 247), and 12 Republicans (out of 188).

Republicans are screaming “it’s the dems’ fault it lost, we don’t like your procedures. If you really wanted to pass it you’d have let it go for a straight vote with our amendment attached.” Democrats respond “it’s the reps’ fault it lost, what kind of assholes would deny these people their medical bills because they wanted to turn it into an immigration debate?”

Sagehen screams “even if some of the money did go to the care of illegal immgrants, FUCK YOU ALL CONGRESS! Thousands of random volunteers joined the cops and firefighters on that pile in the early days, and I don’t give a damn if a few of them were illegals. If I flip my car on the freeway and it’s on fire, and some passing migrant worker gets 3rd degree burns because he stops to pull my kid out before it explodes, I sure hope my response would be a little more gracious than ‘you shouldn’t have been here in the first place.’”

Right goddamn on.

474 Amory Blaine  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 2:10:52pm

Does anyone know the ballpark number of people still alive with health issues from the 9/11 site?

475 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 2:14:10pm

OMG! I totally forgot about the ginger peach tea seeping.

476 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 2:18:17pm

re: #469 sagehen

I guess I should have sarc-tagged that last paragraph.

I’m angry that the bill to cover their care ($7.4 billion) ran into a mess this week.

The Republicans wanted a motion to recommit, they wanted to put amendments on it about immigration to embarrass the Dems. So the Dems offered it up through a procedure that makes it unamendable, but needs a supermajority to pass.

243 Democrats voted for it (out of 247), and 12 Republicans (out of 188).

Republicans are screaming “it’s the dems’ fault it lost, we don’t like your procedures. If you really wanted to pass it you’d have let it go for a straight vote with our amendment attached.” Democrats respond “it’s the reps’ fault it lost, what kind of assholes would deny these people their medical bills because they wanted to turn it into an immigration debate?”

Sagehen screams “even if some of the money did go to the care of illegal immgrants, FUCK YOU ALL CONGRESS! Thousands of random volunteers joined the cops and firefighters on that pile in the early days, and I don’t give a damn if a few of them were illegals. If I flip my car on the freeway and it’s on fire, and some passing migrant worker gets 3rd degree burns because he stops to pull my kid out before it explodes, I sure hope my response would be a little more gracious than ‘you shouldn’t have been here in the first place.’”

Stewart had this covered the other day - and a GOP rep stood up in the house and said, i shit you not,


“those people ran into the burning buildings to save people, not raise taxes”

I thought it had hit it’s nadir with Frankins contractor rape bill - but this is seriously fucking fucked up. How anybody could possiby shill for these fucks is unbelievable. And i fucking hope there aren’t any here.

477 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 2:24:40pm

re: #476 wozzablog

Stewart had this covered the other day - and a GOP rep stood up in the house and said, i shit you not,

I thought it had hit it’s nadir with Frankins contractor rape bill - but this is seriously fucking fucked up. How anybody could possiby shill for these fucks is unbelievable. And i fucking hope there aren’t any here.

I saw that too. It’s amazing that their mindset was to oppose the bill because it may have a tax increase or that illegal immigrants may get health care. I swear the way some of these clowns talk about illegal immigrants it’s like they’re not even human beings to them.

478 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 3:01:55pm

re: #299 wozzablog

you believe there are free markets in healthcare as it exists???

When I go to the dentist, I pay. Fee for service. If I don’t like the dentist’s work or prices, I can go to a different dentist. How is that not free market?

479 garhighway  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 3:04:04pm

re: #474 Amory Blaine

Does anyone know the ballpark number of people still alive with health issues from the 9/11 site?

The better question would be how many 9/11 contractors and responders have died due to 9/11 health issues. I believe that the number is very, very low. Like low single digits low.

480 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 3:10:54pm

re: #461 garhighway

And regarding health insurers, know that about 20% (the precise amount varies by carrier) of the premiums paid go to non-health care expenditures.

By going with a private-insurance based solution to HCR, we perpetuate that inefficiency.

“Non-health care expenditures” is a term that includes things quite relevant to the health of the patient. Patient education, exercise programs, and so forth, may be of more ultimate benefit to the patient than treatment after the fact.

Some insurance companies rake off too much, or spend too much on advertising themselves, etc., but the ratio of premiums that goes to non-health care expenditures is a number that can include patient-health-related expenditures as well.

481 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 3:21:14pm

re: #354 tradewind

I guess I’m just not all that interested in Newt and his foibles.
My whole point was that it’s always suspect when one side of a failed marriage tells the ’ real story ‘.


It’s always suspect?

I am going to bet that you don’t have proof for that incredible claim, you never ever do….

I will check back with you in a few days to see if you can prove with facts from the reality based universe, that every single times a women tells her side of the story, it is suspect.

482 lostlakehiker  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 3:21:57pm

re: #415 subsailor68

Hmmm…great question. I’ll need to look that up. If a 401K contribution is pre-tax, I suppose it could lower the dollar amount, but not the percentage. For example, if you make $100, your FICA/SECA would be $15.30. But, if your 401K investment is $20.00 and the taxable income is $80.00, the dollar amount you paid would be $12.24. It’s still 15.3 percent of your taxable earnings, but the pre-tax 401K amount would make the actual dollars look lower if you divided what was paid into your total earnings (e.g. $12.24 is 12.2 percent of $100.)

Any financial folks here? Is FICA/SECA calculated on all earnings or those after pre-tax investments?

Going by my W2 from last year, social security tax is paid on all earnings, whether or not they’re diverted to a 401K. Federal income tax is paid only on earnings that are banked, or contributed to a Roth IRA, but not on earnings contributed to a 401K or similar IRA-style retirement account.

Of course, when you go to take money out of a 401K, it then counts as taxable income.

483 garhighway  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 3:22:53pm

re: #480 lostlakehiker

“Non-health care expenditures” is a term that includes things quite relevant to the health of the patient. Patient education, exercise programs, and so forth, may be of more ultimate benefit to the patient than treatment after the fact.

Some insurance companies rake off too much, or spend too much on advertising themselves, etc., but the ratio of premiums that goes to non-health care expenditures is a number that can include patient-health-related expenditures as well.

Do you have a cite or link for that? It strikes me that the carriers have a lot of incentive to push that number as high as they can get it (for both ratemaking and PR purposes), so I would think they would include those expenses in the number if they thought they could get away with it.

484 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 3:42:14pm

re: #478 lostlakehiker

When I go to the dentist, I pay. Fee for service. If I don’t like the dentist’s work or prices, I can go to a different dentist. How is that not free market?

Thats fine - if you have a dentist with no insurance patients and then isn’t subsidising/taking from the care of the other patients.

We have elements of marketised care in the UK too. My physio has a flat $60 fee, but speaking to an American woman with a good healthcare package in NY, NY where she HAS to pay $120 copay and other fees - and thats on a good plan.

485 joest73  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 4:55:53pm

Gotta love Google. Google inserts a “Free Newt” ad in this article in google reader…..

486 grout  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 7:41:41pm

“I don’t practice what I preach, ‘cause I ain’t the kind of man I’m preaching to!” — J.R. “Bob” Dobbs

Praise “Bob”!

487 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:31:25pm

re: #293 tradewind

I didn’t say she was lying. I have no idea whether she’s quoting from perfect memory with absolute truth, or whether she’s trash talking.
But here’s the thing: neither do you.

None of us knows the whole truth, clearly.

But here’s the thing: I don’t believe for a second that you’d be as open-minded if the asshole whose wife was spilling the beans to Vanity Fair were a Democrat.

You see the problem here?

488 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 10:40:14pm

re: #467 zora

[Link: videocafe.crooksandliars.com…]

Rand Paul Denies Kidnapping Woman in College but Can’t Recall if They Made Her Bow to the Aqua Buddha

Wowwww.

489 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Aug 11, 2010 11:51:51pm

re: #59 NJDhockeyfan

These morons haven’t produced any proof. What a fucking joke.

MESS Report / Nasrallah has no smoking gun tying Israel to Hariri murder

Since when do those who hate Israel need/want any proof?

Like the American Taliban, they KNOW what is right, therefore things like “proof” are irrelevant.

490 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:12:30am

re: #219 tnguitarist

Senators are elected by their constituents to represent them.

That does not mean that the Senator must follow their every desire or always vote as the majority of his/her constituents desire. We elect someone who is supposed to have the judgment, courage, and intelligence to know when to vote as WE want and when to vote against our wishes because it is the right thing to do. I wish I had the Edmund Burke quote handy that covers this.

Unfortunately, far too many vote with only their careers in mind.

491 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:34:32am

re: #415 subsailor68

Hmmm…great question. I’ll need to look that up. If a 401K contribution is pre-tax, I suppose it could lower the dollar amount, but not the percentage. For example, if you make $100, your FICA/SECA would be $15.30. But, if your 401K investment is $20.00 and the taxable income is $80.00, the dollar amount you paid would be $12.24. It’s still 15.3 percent of your taxable earnings, but the pre-tax 401K amount would make the actual dollars look lower if you divided what was paid into your total earnings (e.g. $12.24 is 12.2 percent of $100.)

Any financial folks here? Is FICA/SECA calculated on all earnings or those after pre-tax investments?

FICA is calculated on your PRE-401(k) (pre-SEP, pre-SIMPLE) earnings.

Example: Your earnings are $2,000, of which $150 is going into your 401(K). FICA is 7.65% X $2,000, or $153, not 7.65% X $1,800.

The taxable wages for the Social Security portion are capped. “Only” the first $106,800 (an amount indexed for inflation) is subject to that 6.2%; the Medicare wage amount is uncapped. If you make $2,000,000, you pay $6,621.60 in Social Security tax ($106,800 X 6.2%) and $29,000 in Medicare tax (1.45% X $2,000,000, and if you make that much you shouldn’t complain).

492 Pacificlady  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 12:58:26am

So add Newt to the list of horny toads like Clinton, Kennedy (doesn’t seem to matter which one), Sanford, Edwards, Craig, etc. Wish he would crawl back under his rock.

493 RogueOne  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 4:14:01am

re: #142 Charles

I’m not sure why that’s supposed to be outrageous. He’s saying that the Republican Party is hostile to Hispanics, and I think it’s possible to make a pretty good case that this is true. What’s supposed to be so horrible about Reid’s statement?

It was race baiting. Toss in the fact that his son is about to lose badly to a Hispanic republican in the Governors race and it takes his comment right over the line.

494 Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 6:07:26am

re: #493 RogueOne

Define race-baiting, and then show how that comment was race-baiting.

495 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 12, 2010 5:09:21pm

re: #50 darthstar

“Blow not your own vuvuzela, for it annoys, and my Father has little patience for that kind of crap, and will send your ass to Hell.”

Funniest post I’ve seen in weeks.

496 kutabeach  Fri, Aug 13, 2010 9:04:34am

re: #274 Fozzie Bear

I mean people who are so “passionate” about AGW and yet have a carbon footprint equivalent to 100 or more people.

The “do as I saw, not as I do” crowd (Gore, DiCaprio, etc…)

497 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:34:19am

re: #496 kutabeach

yeah, you don’t get the last word here, lol


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