Pamela Geller: Obama ‘Stood With’ the 9/11 Hijackers

Hatemonger Pamela Geller comes right out and says President Obama supported the 9/11 attacks.

President Obama came out Friday evening in favor of the Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at the hallowed ground of the 9/11 attack.

Obama told the ummah (at an Iftar dinner on the third night of Ramadan) that he supports a triumphal mosque on the cherished site where Islamic jihadists attacked.

If you had any doubt who Obama stood with on 9/11, there can be no doubt in our minds now.

Her evidence that President Obama “stood with” Al Qaeda on 9/11? This statement:

Right after the 9/11 attacks, Obama blamed America, just like the Islamic supremacist Ground Zero mega-mosque Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf.

Then-state Sen. Obama said: “We should also examine the foreign policies of the U.S. to make sure that we occupy the moral high ground in these conflicts. In particular, we have to examine some of the root causes of this terrorist activity.”

Yep, that’s it. That’s her proof that the President sides with terrorists who attack the United States. But what else would you expect from a sekrit Moslem infiltrator?!

I believe he planned his announcement on the mosque all along. He waited until Ramadan. Symbolic.

He has now turned our Ground Zero protest on 911 into a mega-event. The very idea of a 15-story mega-mosque on that hallowed ground is indecent, offensive and outrageous.

And then comes Geller’s overwhelming concern for the 9/11 first responders. She’s so concerned that she thinks the developers of the Cordoba House should give away all their money.

If the Ground Zero mosque Imam Rauf and his wife Daisy Khan really wanted to “reach out” and “heal,” they would give the $120 million that they’re using to build this mosque to the first responders who are suffering from exposure to the toxic environment at Ground Zero after Muslim terrorists brought down the World Trade Center and slaughtered 3,000 Americans.

Is the President incapable of common decency?

Is Pamela Geller incapable of simple cognition? It’s a matter for debate, because it was the Republican Party that blocked passage of the 9/11 responder aid bill recently.

In the course of this rabidly xenophobic screed, Geller hammers her readers in the face with the phrase “Ground Zero mega-mosque” at least 20 times, and repeats over and over the outright lie that it’s being built “on the hallowed ground.”

Appearing at her demonstration: fellow hatemonger Robert Spencer, Newt Gingrich, former UN ambassador John Bolton, and Dutch demagogue Geert Wilders — who wants to ban the Koran and criminalize Islam. Geller and Spencer are importing good old European style religious and ethnic hatreds to the United States; it’s what they’ve been working toward for years, and I’m sure they feel like winners right now with the entire GOP riding their train of paranoia and prejudice.

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1076 comments

1 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:40:58pm

Nuance is dead. If you don't vehemently opposie it, you actively support it.

2 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:41:36pm

John Bolton: didn't he once win the LGF "Anti-Idiotarian" award?

How the mighty have fallen.

3 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:42:26pm

I'm going to revoke that award. Publicly.

4 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:42:30pm

Yet they say that liberals want to make this country into Europe....

5 Gus  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:43:28pm

This officially puts Newt Gingrich and John Bolton a mere one degree of separation between themselves, the EDL and other far-right Euro-fascist parties and organizations.

6 jaunte  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:43:29pm

The two minutes mega-hate is lasting way too long.

7 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:43:36pm

re: #2 Alouette

There was a split between people who were shocked and appalled by 9/11 and those who are just evil and full of hate.

8 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:44:22pm

Newt and John Bolton.
*sob*
What the hell has happened?

9 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:44:33pm
If the Ground Zero mosque Imam Rauf and his wife Daisy Khan really wanted to “reach out” and “heal,” they would give the $120 million that they’re using to build this mosque to the first responders who are suffering from exposure to the toxic environment at Ground Zero after Muslim terrorists brought down the World Trade Center and slaughtered 3,000 Americans.

No you bitch, that's what your GOP congresspeople were supposed to do, instead they got pissy about procedure.

How these people turn shit around just makes me sick.

10 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:44:44pm

re: #3 Charles

I'm going to revoke that award. Publicly.

Good! Please do so ASAP.

11 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:45:12pm

re: #8 reine.de.tout

Newt and John Bolton.
*sob*
What the hell has happened?

They really were, only ever, craven politicians.

12 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:45:41pm

re: #8 reine.de.tout

Shouldn't be a surprise really (remember Gopac?)

13 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:46:50pm

re: #4 tnguitarist

Yet they say that liberals want to make this country into Europe...

Liberals want to make us into Old Europe, Conservatives want to make us into New Europe...

14 erraticsphinx  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:46:57pm

re: #9 Stanley Sea

She is such a liar, it's breathtaking.

Remember when the argument was "It's not about the mosque...but where it is!" or the classic "It's not about religion, it's about national security" (all of which Geller has used at various points)?

Well, why is Wilders there? To lecture about national security?

15 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:47:34pm

re: #3 Charles

I'm going to revoke that award. Publicly.

Out, out, out.

There is no cure for this bigotry but shunning.

16 Fozzie Bear  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:48:25pm

re: #6 jaunte

The two minutes mega-hate is lasting way too long.

World War II lasted 6 years and one day. Hate has serious staying power.

17 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:49:17pm

Maybe I'm just picky here, but when did the former Burlington Coat Factory become hallowed ground??

18 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:49:34pm

What appalls me to no end is that people can actually say these things publicly in America without it being denounced from all corners.

How is it possible to be so against the Constitution publicly and claim to love America.

And that is the other thing. Gellar may have dreams of mobs burning the community center down, which is two blocks away (the same radius as a strip joint) and built in an old Burlington Coat factory.

But Newt and Bolton realize that this is a done, case closed before it opens deal, as far as the courts are concerned.

It is really nothing more than grandstanding to the ignorant mob. Sound and fury with no purpose other than to latch on to the hatred in the hopes that the rubes remember them.

It is utterly disgusting.

19 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:49:54pm

re: #17 austin_blue

Maybe I'm just picky here, but when did the former Burlington Coat Factory become hallowed ground??

Every time they had a 2 for 1 sale.

20 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:50:00pm

re: #4 tnguitarist

Yet they say that liberals want to make this country into Europe...

Yeah, but it's the wrong kind of Europe. The one with the bullet trains, and naked Swedish girls on the beaches, and entitlement money for everyone. The wingnut brigade want to make this country into the good, traditional Europe, where everyone who wasn't ethnically and religiously correct got to live in the ghettos and wear clearly identifying clothing.

21 Fozzie Bear  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:50:07pm

re: #8 reine.de.tout

Newt and John Bolton.
*sob*
What the hell has happened?

Did you honestly ever believe Newt to be anything other than a craven demagogue? Really?

22 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:50:50pm

re: #18 LudwigVanQuixote

You know I usually object when you go all Godwin, but when you say things like that, I admit I can totally feel you. Its the 'say anything to gain power' vibe.

We can't let them get it!

23 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:51:19pm

So Bolton is showing his true colors? I'm surprised he let his guard down.

24 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:51:22pm

When did these people start caring about 'liberal' areas like NYC, anyway?

25 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:52:34pm

re: #1 ralphieboy

Nuance is dead. If you don't vehemently opposie it, you actively support it.

Logic and proportion have falledn sloppy dead.

26 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:53:20pm

re: #20 SanFranciscoZionist

Yeah, but it's the wrong kind of Europe. The one with the bullet trains, and naked Swedish girls on the beaches, and entitlement money for everyone. The wingnut brigade want to make this country into the good, traditional Europe, where everyone who wasn't ethnically and religiously correct got to live in the ghettos and wear clearly identifying clothing.

You just summed up the difference between the Old and the New Europe.

27 Sol Berdinowitz  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:54:23pm

re: #25 Spare O'Lake

Logic and proportion have falledn sloppy dead.

Discourse and discussion have been shot dead.

28 blueraven  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:54:44pm
Then-state Sen. Obama said: “We should also examine the foreign policies of the U.S. to make sure that we occupy the moral high ground in these conflicts. In particular, we have to examine some of the root causes of this terrorist activity.”

That statement in Gellers eyes represents standing with the terrorists?
Right...cuz we should never be introspective about policy. Just forge ahead, torpedoes be damned.
Unbelievable!

29 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:55:04pm
Geller and Spencer are importing good old European style religious and ethnic hatreds to the United States; it’s what they’ve been working toward for years, and I’m sure they feel like winners right now with the entire GOP riding their train of paranoia and prejudice.

Agreed. That was a major part of the original rift. People like Geert, Vlaams Belang, etc want to ban the Quran and outlaw Islam. Outlawing books and religions is profoundly unAmerican and I wish they'd leave that crap on their side of the pond.

30 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:56:15pm

re: #28 blueraven

That statement in Gellers eyes represents standing with the terrorists?
Right...cuz we should never be introspective about policy. Just forge ahead, torpedoes be damned.
Unbelievable!

Yes, she's quoting that statement as evidence that Obama supports Al Qaeda and the 9/11 terrorists.

31 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:56:22pm

re: #18 LudwigVanQuixote

What appalls me to no end is that people can actually say these things publicly in America without it being denounced from all corners.

How is it possible to be so against the Constitution publicly and claim to love America..

If the ~70% polling about opposition is to be believed, it's a damning indictment of Americas supposed outreach to Muslims worldwide.

32 darthstar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:57:25pm

Wha?...I got nothin'.

33 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:57:42pm

re: #31 Amory Blaine

If the ~70% polling about opposition is to be believed, it's a damning indictment of Americas supposed outreach to Muslims worldwide.

That's what hurts so bad. They're doing it on purpose and they don't care what damage they're doing to the US and the world in the process.

Of course the whole concept of 'don't needlessly piss off most of the world' is lost on these people.

34 jaunte  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:58:00pm

re: #29 Killgore Trout

Agreed. That was a major part of the original rift. People like Geert, Vlaams Belang, etc want to ban the Quran and outlaw Islam. Outlawing books and religions is profoundly unAmerican and I wish they'd leave that crap on their side of the pond.

Profoundly pessimistic, defeatist, and chickenshit, too.

35 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:58:07pm

BTW, highly recommend "The Syrian Bride". Very fun, touching movie.

36 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:58:29pm

re: #3 Charles

I'm going to revoke that award. Publicly.

Wasn't the award named after Oriana Fallaci for a while? Didn't she say she wanted to blow up a mosque once?

37 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:58:49pm

re: #35 SanFranciscoZionist

Also there's a weird trend in Japan of doing art of Jesus and Buddha as best slacker bro's in their 20s >>

38 nines09  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:58:51pm

Incapable of common decency. What a group. What a shame. What a load of bile. So what shall we wear? Black or Brown shirts? Whatever happened to the Office of the POTUS and respecting it? Huh? Seemed to be a big point a few years back. Nice turnaround.

39 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 12:59:05pm

Has Imam Rauf spoken publicly lately on this?

40 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:00:35pm

re: #22 windsagio

You know I usually object when you go all Godwin, but when you say things like that, I admit I can totally feel you. Its the 'say anything to gain power' vibe.

We can't let them get it!

Windy, I am not even close to going Godwin. I rather hate that word. The reason is that it is code for "crying wolf." The wolves are real. Neo-Fascism is real. The first step to fighting it is calling it what it is.

In as much as they are not Germans, they are not Nazis. The rest though is the same, the exact same, music with a different arrangement.

It's banjos and guitars rather than umpahh bands.

41 swamprat  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:01:01pm

I do not agree with everything here. But much of the hate that is directed against LGF is due to the fact that we refuse to align ourselves with those who are soft on Nazi's. A good way to judge people is to see who their enemies are;
I will side with those who dislike nazi's and nazi symps every time.

42 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:01:32pm

re: #40 LudwigVanQuixote

Seperate convo probably :P

Let me agree with you dammit!

43 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:01:37pm

re: #36 Killgore Trout

Wasn't the award named after Oriana Fallaci for a while? Didn't she say she wanted to blow up a mosque once?

She got bettah. Others have gotten worse.

44 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:02:15pm

re: #39 Spare O'Lake

Has Imam Rauf spoken publicly lately on this?

What do you think the man could say?

45 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:02:25pm

re: #43 SanFranciscoZionist

She got bettah. Others have gotten worse.

Did she? I thought she went to her grave unrepentant.

46 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:03:19pm

re: #21 Fozzie Bear

Did you honestly ever believe Newt to be anything other than a craven demagogue? Really?

Please, don't do the "did you really think thus and such?".

I did expect Newt to think with his head, not his "feelings". What he's doing now (and Bolton) is exactly what so many conservative think about how liberals come to their conclusions.

As far as Newt's character - it takes a huge ego to be a politician, and they all deal with it differently, but that particular personality trait means most of 'em will be self-serving.

47 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:03:26pm

For those who missed it: the axis powers are having talks again....
European Fascists Attend Conference in Japan

48 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:03:41pm

oh FFS

49 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:04:28pm

re: #46 reine.de.tout

Newt is totally thinking with his head, that's part of the problem.

50 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:04:35pm

re: #39 Spare O'Lake

Has Imam Rauf spoken publicly lately on this?

What would he need to say to allay your "concerns"?

51 Lidane  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:05:05pm

re: #24 tnguitarist

When did these people start caring about 'liberal' areas like NYC, anyway?

When the WTC came down and it was suddenly politically expedient for the GOP to give a shit about anything related to New York.

Yes, that's a harsh sentiment, but let's be brutally honest-- if anything else had brought down the WTC, such as a fire, or a lightning strike, or whatever, the same people screeching about hallowed ground now wouldn't care at all. They'd blame liberals and all their safety and building codes for interfering with the almighty free market or something.

52 Fozzie Bear  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:05:41pm

I'm just amazed that man first made famous for a witch hunt into another man's sexuality could ever be respected, by anyone.

53 Lidane  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:05:50pm

re: #21 Fozzie Bear

Did you honestly ever believe Newt to be anything other than a craven demagogue? Really?

I sure as hell didn't. Newt's an ass and always has been. It's not a surprise to see him siding with the bigots now.

54 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:06:15pm

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

What do you think the man could say?

I think he should speak up against the Anti-Muslim hate and reaffirm his moderate viewpoints.

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:06:16pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

Did she? I thought she went to her grave unrepentant.

Maybe I'm thinking of someone else.

56 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:06:59pm

re: #40 LudwigVanQuixote


It's banjos and guitars rather than umpahh bands.

Dueling banjos?

57 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:07:00pm

with the entire GOP riding their train of paranoia and prejudice.

It's the only thing they do well.

58 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:07:17pm

re: #54 Spare O'Lake

I think he should speak up against the Anti-Muslim hate and reaffirm his moderate viewpoints.

Well, maybe he has. Does he have a speaking schedule? You could write to him.

59 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:07:52pm

re: #24 tnguitarist

When did these people start caring about 'liberal' areas like NYC, anyway?

I like this explanation best:

LISTEN UP, HATEFUL ASSHOLES: The end is near! The Muslins have already invaded that city you call godless yet love because terrorism happened there!
60 Lidane  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:08:01pm

re: #38 nines09

Whatever happened to the Office of the POTUS and respecting it? Huh? Seemed to be a big point a few years back.

A black man with an African name got elected President. That's what happened.

61 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:08:12pm

re: #50 wlewisiii

You and SFZ think he should STFU and keep his head down?
I say screw that.
We all know how well keeping quiet has worked so far for moderate Muslims.

62 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:08:53pm

New announcement. I simply refuse to refer to people as crazy as the people we are discussing as 'conservatives'. It's inaccurate, and it hurts the feelings of actual conservatives. And just 'right-wing' is inadequate, and ditto.

I shall henceforth be calling these folks right-wing radicals, or RWR for short.

Thank you.

63 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:08:54pm

re: #61 Spare O'Lake

You and SFZ think he should STFU and keep his head down?
I say screw that.
We all know how well keeping quiet has worked so far for moderate Muslims.

You are such a liar.

64 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:09:37pm

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

The only problem with that is it whitewashes the conservative movement. People may be nice and reasonable, but the movement has always been poisonous.

65 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:09:42pm

re: #61 Spare O'Lake

You and SFZ think he should STFU and keep his head down?
I say screw that.
We all know how well keeping quiet has worked so far for moderate Muslims.

And now we're all seeing how speaking up, and proposing to improve the community is working for them.

I didn't say that he should be quiet, I said that I can't imagine what he could say to all this.

66 Lidane  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:09:57pm

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

I just call them assholes. It's a much simpler, and much more accurate description. ;)

67 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:10:18pm

re: #61 Spare O'Lake

You and SFZ think he should STFU and keep his head down?
I say screw that.
We all know how well keeping quiet has worked so far for moderate Muslims.

We all know how well coming out and talking has worked as well.

68 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:10:20pm

re: #63 windsagio

You are such a liar.

Pistols at 20 paces, pooch.

69 Kragar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:10:21pm

re: #66 Lidane

I just call them assholes. It's a much simpler, and much more accurate description. ;)

I was going to say that.

70 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:10:46pm

re: #68 Spare O'Lake

Oops, wasn't LVQ talking about internet toughguys last thread? >>

71 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:10:50pm

re: #61 Spare O'Lake

Concern troll is concerned...

72 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:10:51pm

re: #54 Spare O'Lake

I think he should speak up against the Anti-Muslim hate and reaffirm his moderate viewpoints.

Because i'm sure when Bush appointed him to travel the world he was preaching wahabbism..........

73 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:11:11pm

re: #71 wlewisiii

Concern troll is concerned...

Obviously.

74 The Scorpion  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:11:29pm

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75 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:11:33pm

re: #68 Spare O'Lake

Pistols at 20 paces, pooch.

Out back, behind the internet for fisticuffs.

76 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:12:11pm

re: #75 tnguitarist

I'll warn you I'm a Black belt in Aikido and Jeet Kun Do!

77 The Scorpion  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:12:17pm

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78 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:12:18pm

re: #64 windsagio

The only problem with that is it whitewashes the conservative movement. People may be nice and reasonable, but the movement has always been poisonous.

I have no problem linking the RWR to mainstream conservative thought when necessary. I'm just tired of having no specific term to describe these folks. There are even some Lizards who call themselves wingnuts.

RWR. It's very clear.

79 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:12:23pm

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

New announcement. I simply refuse to refer to people as crazy as the people we are discussing as 'conservatives'. It's inaccurate, and it hurts the feelings of actual conservatives. And just 'right-wing' is inadequate, and ditto.

I shall henceforth be calling these folks right-wing radicals, or RWR for short.

Thank you.

Well, I for one, could get on board with this!

re: #64 windsagio

The only problem with that is it whitewashes the conservative movement. People may be nice and reasonable, but the movement has always been poisonous.

Wish you'd watch this.

Would also love any discussion comments you'd care to post.

80 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:12:25pm

re: #70 windsagio

Oops, wasn't LVQ talking about internet toughguys last thread? >>

I always say the same things about musicians, too. Those who talk the most, do the least.

81 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:12:36pm

re: #76 windsagio

I also have special forces training, I can kill you 15 ways with my bare hands!

82 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:12:40pm

re: #74 The Scorpion

How does it feel to be a sheep?

83 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:12:53pm

re: #67 tnguitarist

We all know how well coming out and talking has worked as well.

History has taught us that active resistance is crucial.

84 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:13:05pm

What the GOP has done is become a sieve that collects the most uneducated, classless and repulsive from our nation.

85 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:13:13pm

re: #74 The Scorpion

How does it feel to waste your life trolling message boards on the internets?.

Epic epic fail.

jackass.

86 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:13:16pm

re: #76 windsagio

I'll warn you I'm a Black belt in Aikido and Jeet Kun Do!

I have a black belt in Khrazi.

87 The Scorpion  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:13:20pm

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88 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:13:26pm

re: #79 reine.de.tout

I shall take a look, ma'am :)

89 theheat  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:13:37pm

re: #74 The Scorpion

Public opinion doesn't change their Constitutional right to put a mosque/community center in its proposed location. Mob mentality does not override the law.

90 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:13:42pm

re: #74 The Scorpion

DF, Fire up the grill, we got a troll to cook!

91 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:13:47pm

re: #74 The Scorpion

It worked OK for my grandma when she was for desegregation. How do you feel to be on the soon-to-be-shameful side of history?

92 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:13:55pm

re: #86 tnguitarist

I have a black belt in Khrazi.

i have a black belt in origami

93 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:14:14pm

re: #90 wlewisiii

obvious is obvious, we could just ignore and let charles deal with it :p

94 jaunte  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:14:14pm

Respect mah feelings!

95 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:14:22pm

I do believe a stalker got by registration.

96 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:14:23pm
97 Kragar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:14:23pm

re: #74 The Scorpion

Considering how often public opinion is made up of reiterated quasi-facts from uninformed morons taking a break from American Idol and seeing which celebrity just fucked up, pretty damn good.

98 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:14:25pm

re: #71 wlewisiii

re: #73 wozzablog

You folks got nothing.
Silence is not golden.

99 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:14:27pm

re: #77 The Scorpion

The majority of Americans are laughing at Jihadi supporters like you!

Really? They seem to be too frantic right now to laugh at anyone.

And as for 'jihadi supporter', blow it out your ass.

100 RadicalModerate  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:14:32pm

Looks like we have a Geller fan, based on that username.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

101 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:14:44pm

re: #76 windsagio

I'll warn you I'm a Black belt in Aikido and Jeet Kun Do!

Really?

I'm asking because I'm rather into such things.

102 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:14:46pm

re: #74 The Scorpion

If it gets built, will that make you ineffectual and irrelevant?

103 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:14:52pm

Reine: God, its long. You owe me big!

104 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:14:56pm

re: #74 The Scorpion

Polls showed 78% of Americans against inter-race marriage in 1968. We leave ignorance behind in America.

105 Lidane  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:15:17pm

re: #74 The Scorpion

Obvious troll is obvious.

Shoo. Go away. The grownups are talking.

106 The Scorpion  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:15:19pm

r: #91 SnFrncscZnst

Cmprng ppls nd rngs. Dl wth th fct y r n th lsng sd!

Hstry s wth s n ths.

107 The Scorpion  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:15:55pm

r: #104 prrfr

ppls nd rngs. Kp tryng, y r n th lsng sd.

108 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:16:01pm

re: #96 The Scorpion

how many socks do you aging stalkers have? how does it feel to not have a life?

109 Gus  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:16:10pm

re: #106 The Scorpion

Hit the road and go back to Stormfront.

110 Kragar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:16:12pm

re: #105 Lidane

Obvious troll is obvious.

Shoo. Go away. The grownups are talking.

He's probably fapping like crazy right about how awesome he is for "sticking it to the man."

111 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:16:14pm

re: #96 The Scorpion

Powerless? Really? What level Paladin are you?

112 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:16:19pm

re: #98 Spare O'Lake

re: #73 wozzablog

You folks got nothing.
Silence is not golden.

My silence toward you from this point will be.

113 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:16:22pm

re: #96 The Scorpion

You are on the un-constitution and losing side of this.

114 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:17:08pm

re: #104 prairiefire

I've been meaning to ask, do you post on lumberjocks?

115 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:17:20pm

re: #101 LudwigVanQuixote

Really?

I'm asking because I'm rather into such things.

Lol not really, never got into martial arts. Just making fun of the internet liar type :D

I've known some serious fighting types tho', he was really interesting to be around in a dangerous situation, his whole form and attitude changed like a switch had been thrown.

... Last I heard he was working as an enforcer for loan-sharks tho (really!)

116 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:17:47pm

re: #88 windsagio

I shall take a look, ma'am :)

Merci!

117 The Scorpion  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:17:49pm

r: #109 Gs 802

h lwys sng th rc crd. Strmfrnt r jst bg bnch f dts lk y. Thy r n th lsng sd f hstry.

118 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:17:52pm

Ray Charles "Hit The Road Jack"

119 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:18:39pm

re: #74 The Scorpion

Please.
Go away.

120 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:18:40pm

re: #106 The Scorpion

Comparing apples and oranges. Deal with the fact you are on the losing side!

History is with us on this.

And tomorrow belongs to you?

;)

121 The Scorpion  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:18:52pm

r: #108 SpcJss

r sd s wnnng, yrs s lsng. 'm lghng t th hlplssnss f ths blg.

122 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:19:05pm

re: #117 The Scorpion

"hey guys let's go write more slash fan fiction about charles"

123 Kragar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:19:10pm

He sure likes that "loosing side of history" line

124 Gus  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:19:22pm

re: #121 The Scorpion

That brown shirt is you.

125 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:19:25pm

Seriously, are you guys new to the internet?

126 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:19:29pm

re: #96 The Scorpion

The majority is against it deal with it! You are all on the losing side on this. How does it feel to be powerless?

WEll actually we are not because of the Constitution.

The mosque is on legally purchased and privately owned land.

Why are GOP people like you suddenly against land rights as well as religious freedom?

We win because the founding fathers knew that freedom was not a popularity contest to be left to mindless rednecks like you.

Instead it protects the minority from the tyrant of the majority. By, equally applying that standard to All Americans, - who are all in some minority at some point, all are protected.

Little tea-bag bigots like you are the same sort who supported torture and the same sort who go off on president Obama being a black muslim who will kill your granny.

Well guess what?

More and more of America has rejected your middle ages mentality and we really don't care all that much about thinking of America as lily white. Wanna be Klansmen like you are going extinct and you know it, which is why you are so scared. How does that feel?

127 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:19:33pm

re: #121 The Scorpion

MY SIDE CAN BEAT UP UR SIDE

128 bratwurst  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:19:35pm

re: #77 The Scorpion

I can feel your anger. It gives you focus... makes you stronger.

Image: emperor_palpatine.jpg

129 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:19:37pm

re: #121 The Scorpion

130 blueraven  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:19:39pm

re: #82 Amory Blaine

How does it feel to be a demon sheep?

FIFY

131 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:20:05pm

re: #74 The Scorpion

Black people used to be chattel slaves.
Women couldn't vote.

All supported by the tyranny of the majority. The long and short of it, you America hater, is that the Constitution outweighs the "feelings of the American people. It's called the Social Contract. Love it or get the hell out of my country.

132 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:20:12pm

re: #121 The Scorpion

Our side is winning, yours is losing. I'm laughing at the helplessness of this blog.

Actually, you're not. You're here, wasting your time trying to get through to us, because the mere idea that anyone disagrees with you is eating you up and raising your blood pressure.

133 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:20:19pm

re: #65 SanFranciscoZionist

And now we're all seeing how speaking up, and proposing to improve the community is working for them.

I didn't say that he should be quiet, I said that I can't imagine what he could say to all this.

Oh yes you can.

134 The Scorpion  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:20:21pm

r: #120 SnFrncscZnst

Yp, w hv tmrrw bcs th mrcn ppl hv wkn. Thy r trd f bng spt n th fc nd plgsts f r nms lk y. Nvmbr 2nd wll b th bgnnng f th nd fr yr sd.

135 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:20:34pm

re: #107 The Scorpion

Apples and oranges. Keep trying, you are on the losing side.

The troll has one note! I love how they hang out and dream of debating us only to get here and have nothing to say.

136 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:20:45pm

re: #114 tnguitarist

I've been meaning to ask, do you post on lumberjocks?

Seriously? What the heck is that?

137 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:21:11pm

re: #134 The Scorpion

word salad

138 The Scorpion  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:21:25pm

r: #126 LdwgVnQxt

Tht's why w r hd n th plls? r sd s wnnng nd mrcns r trd f ppsrs lk y. W r wnnng th pblc dbt, y r lsng!

139 jaunte  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:21:29pm

Wotta maroon. I got your forza del destino right here.

140 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:21:35pm

re: #136 prairiefire

Seriously? What the heck is that?

Same nic as yours. Woodworking forum.

141 Gus  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:21:37pm
142 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:21:39pm

re: #133 Spare O'Lake

Oh yes you can.

OK, I guess I could write the man a speech. Seriously. Drop him an e-mail.

143 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:22:03pm

re: #138 The Scorpion

And that matters how?

144 The Scorpion  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:22:13pm

r: #135 LdwgVnQxt

'm jst brng y rlty t yr dlsnl wrld. W r wnnng, y r lsng!

145 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:22:15pm

Dude is using some very familiar talking points.

146 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:22:18pm

re: #134 The Scorpion

Damn, I knew that insult was too subtle. Haven't you seen Cabaret?

147 The Scorpion  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:22:55pm

r: #131 stn_bl

W r wnnng y r lsng! Hw ds t fl t b lsr?

148 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:23:09pm

re: #106 The Scorpion

Comparing apples and oranges. Deal with the fact you are on the losing side!

History is with us on this.

What is this "side" you're talking about?
Are we in the midst of a civil war that nobody told me about?
Are you a US citizen, or Canadian or what - which country is it that's at war with itself?

What legal lawful arguments do you have for your "side" of whatever it is we're on the losing side of? What are we losing? Where the heck did you come from? Can't you see you're making no sense whatsoever?

149 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:23:26pm

re: #77 The Scorpion

The majority of Americans are laughing at Jihadi supporters like you!


re: #138 The Scorpion

That's why we are ahead in the polls? Our side is winning and Americans are tired of appeasers like you. We are winning the public debate, you are losing!

What exactly are you "winning"?

150 Lidane  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:23:28pm

re: #137 tnguitarist

word salad

Seriously. That post makes Sarah Palin's Twitter feed look coherent.

151 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:23:36pm

re: #138 The Scorpion

That's why we are ahead in the polls? Our side is winning and Americans are tired of appeasers like you. We are winning the public debate, you are losing!

Have you ever considered that it's Al Qaeda who is benefitting most from the Islam-hating tide in America?

152 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:23:43pm
153 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:23:55pm

re: #144 The Scorpion

I'm just bring you reality to your delusional world. We are winning, you are losing!

Who are 'you' precisely, and what are you winning?

154 Gus  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:23:55pm

We are winning your side is losing!!11ty

Repeat.

Boring.

155 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:23:57pm

re: #147 The Scorpion

We are winning you are losing! How does it feel to be a loser?

how does it feel to be an ass?

eeejit.

156 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:24:02pm

re: #144 The Scorpion

You are successful!

[Link: i524.photobucket.com...]

157 Kragar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:24:06pm

re: #134 The Scorpion

You will loose simply because you see enemies everywhere. You are paranoid, irrational and not every bright. Definately not a historic formula for long term success.

158 Kragar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:24:29pm

re: #149 Amory Blaine

re: #138 The Scorpion


What exactly are you "winning"?

THINGS!

159 darthstar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:24:43pm

re: #121 The Scorpion

Our side is winning, yours is losing. I'm laughing at the helplessness of this blog.

Ooh...the Scorpion...watch out for his sting!

160 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:24:54pm

re: #158 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

THINGS!

and - ya' know..... stuff

161 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:25:00pm

your "side" consists of a small group of middle aged unemployed men who sit around on their fat asses salivating at the idea of registering a sock account on a blog they were banned from years ago.

162 The Scorpion  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:25:05pm

r: #149 mry Bln

Th plls shw mrcns r trd f th Dmcrts nd w wll wn Cngrss. mrcns r trd f ppsmnt nd r gnst Prk 51. W r wnnng!

Chrls s hplss lsr wh hs n nflnc n pblc pnn.

163 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:25:12pm

re: #150 Lidane

Seriously. That post makes Sarah Palin's Twitter feed look coherent.

No, it's clear enough, and while I really don't like to Godwin, I kind of already did up above.

164 jaunte  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:25:13pm

re: #159 darthstar

I think it's really the Blue Rajah.

165 abolitionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:25:28pm

re: #45 Killgore Trout

Did she? I thought she went to her grave unrepentant.

In the Epilogue of The Force of Reason, Fallaci expressed a sense of hope for the future, partly on the basis of her observations that calls for holy war following the 911 attack fell on deaf ears, almost universally.

166 The Scorpion  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:25:32pm

r: #157 Krgr (prd t b kfr)

W r wnnng!

Hw ds t fl t b n th lsng sd?

167 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:25:43pm

re: #147 The Scorpion

We are winning you are losing! How does it feel to be a loser?

Your spelling, punctuation and grammar pretty much suck.
REGINALD PERRIN, can you identify this person?

168 Lidane  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:25:44pm

re: #149 Amory Blaine

What exactly are you "winning"?

1. GOLD!
2. SEEDS!
3. OLIGARHY!
4. ???
5. PROFIT!

169 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:26:15pm

re: #134 The Scorpion

No. You will find that you really didn't have nearly the gains that midterm elections usually garner the party out of power.

Take one look at Reid/Angle. Nevada was the GOP's for the taking, but the GOP ran a tea-bag dirt-brain that makes even Palin look collected.

There will still be a Dem majority after the election.

But that is really beside the point. The real point is that people like you are scum who are utterly anti-American. How dare you not support the first Amendment rights of Americans.

170 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:26:25pm

re: #152 The Scorpion

[Link: www.realclearpolitics.com...]

We are winning!

OH, 'we' is the Republicans? Wash out your mouth with soap, child, the party of Lincoln deserves better than a brownshirted shlub like yourself, even yet.

171 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:26:26pm

re: #162 The Scorpion

And you are a loser that, hopefully, has no influence on the gene pool.

172 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:26:37pm

re: #162 The Scorpion

The polls show Americans are tired of the Democrats and we will win Congress. Americans are tired of appeasement and are against Park 51. We are winning!


Possibly, the GOP will win. Then that precious public opinion that nourishes you will turn.

173 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:26:40pm

re: #140 tnguitarist

Same nic as yours. Woodworking forum.

Oh, cool. No, not me. That's funny, woodworking runs in my family. I had a second cousin who was a woodworker pass away. He had a bunch of woodworking tools and materials sold at his estate sale. A 50 pound block of cedar for $20 that the fellow was very happy to get.
A bunch of woodworkers came through the estate sale. Guys in work shorts and Tshirts that were covered with spots of wood stain.

174 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:26:41pm

re: #167 reine.de.tout

it's rodan

175 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:26:51pm

re: #11 LudwigVanQuixote

They really were, only ever, craven politicians.

No, they just let the hate overwhelm their good sense, It can happen to anyone, and its even happened to both you and me.

176 The Scorpion  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:27:05pm

r: #167 rn.d.tt

Sht th mssngr ll y wnt, bcs m n th wnnng sd!

177 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:27:06pm

re: #148 reine.de.tout

Heh. It's highly unlikely that he's a Canajun.

178 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:27:06pm

re: #158 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

THINGS!

STUFF.

179 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:27:09pm

re: #138 The Scorpion

Do you have another note?

180 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:27:10pm

re: #169 LudwigVanQuixote

No. You will find that you really didn't have nearly the gains that midterm elections usually garner the party out of power.

Take one look at Reid/Angle. Nevada was the GOP's for the taking, but the GOP ran a tea-bag dirt-brain that makes even Palin look collected.

There will still be a Dem majority after the election.

But that is really beside the point. The real point is that people like you are scum who are utterly anti-American. How dare you not support the first Amendment rights of Americans.

To these people the Bill Of Rights is optional.

181 darthstar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:27:14pm

re: #166 The Scorpion

We are winning!

How does it feel to be on the losing side?


Erick Erickson...is that you?

182 Kragar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:27:15pm

OK, is it just me or is anyone else making Scrop sound like a Dalek in their head?

"WE ARE WINNING! WE ARE SUPERIOR! WHERE IS THE DOCTOR?"

183 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:27:25pm

re: #103 windsagio

Reine: God, its long. You owe me big!

Heh.
If you don't find it interesting, just ignore it!
I am interested in your comments, though, if you get through it.

184 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:27:38pm

re: #166 The Scorpion

Ok, getting old quick. Ya gotta bring something else. 15 years old is my guess.

185 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:27:59pm

re: #178 SanFranciscoZionist

see.............

re: #160 wozzablog

:p

186 The Scorpion  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:28:04pm

r: #171 tngtrst

hv tw kds wth thrd n th wy.

187 blueraven  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:28:21pm

In my house I step on scorpions all the time. They are slow and stupid.

188 Gus  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:28:24pm

re: #176 The Scorpion

You're like a broken record moron. Have anything else to say genius?

189 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:28:24pm

re: #163 SanFranciscoZionist

No, it's clear enough, and while I really don't like to Godwin, I kind of already did up above.

Youtube Video>

Take no shame in calling a brown shirt a brown shirt. They are. Of course they are.

190 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:28:35pm

re: #166 The Scorpion

We are winning!

How does it feel to be on the losing side?

LOL. OK, too many repetitions.

191 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:28:38pm

We're winning!
Whatever it is, isn't really clear but no matter because,

WE'RE WINNING!
and you're losing!

And we're the boss of you!
///

192 darthstar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:28:53pm

re: #176 The Scorpion

Shoot the messenger all you want, because I am on the winning side!

Uh, sorry...we took a poll, and guess what?

193 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:28:56pm

re: #180 wozzablog

To these people the Bill Of Rights is optional.

Which is why they are fundamentally anti-American. Every nation has its share of scum. These are ours.

194 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:28:57pm

re: #147 The Scorpion

We are winning you are losing! How does it feel to be a loser?

It feels great to love my country! You should try it sometime rather than trying to destroy it. Idiotic child. Mouth breathing gasper.

195 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:29:05pm

re: #176 The Scorpion

Shoot the messenger all you want, because I am on the winning side!

Baghdad Bob? Is that you?

196 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:29:07pm

re: #186 The Scorpion

I have two kids with a third on the way.

I pity them.

197 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:29:10pm

re: #183 reine.de.tout

I put something up, just a quickie, because I'm pissy right now.

And... I'll check any response you have once I get back, I need to take a walk, 'cuz I can't deal with you guys utter inability to effectively deal with trolls :p

198 darthstar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:29:33pm

re: #191 reine.de.tout

We're winning!
Whatever it is, isn't really clear but no matter because,

WE'RE WINNING!
and you're losing!

And we're the boss of you!
///

All your victories are belong to us!!!

199 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:29:39pm

re: #186 The Scorpion

I have two kids with a third on the way.

And rebel flags for drapes?

200 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:29:39pm

re: #197 windsagio

I put something up, just a quickie, because I'm pissy right now.

And... I'll check any response you have once I get back, I need to take a walk, 'cuz I can't deal with you guys utter inability to effectively deal with trolls :p

Aw - don't be pissy. Seriously. I tried not to be.

201 The Scorpion  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:29:53pm

r: #179 LdwgVnQxt

m jst rlyng th trth t ths lttl bbbl f dlsns hr. Chrls hs n nflnc nd t's fnny sng hm thnk h's nflncng nythng.

Th rzn c t 'm drnkng s mr rlvnt thn Chrls.

202 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:29:54pm

re: #186 The Scorpion

I have two kids with a third on the way.

Pity that rednecks breed! How many of them have the same partner for the other parent?

203 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:29:59pm

re: #198 darthstar

All your victories are belong to us!!!

Hear, hear!

204 Kragar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:30:10pm

Know who else thought they were winning?

Nazis, 1930s
Russia, 1960s
Troy, 1300 BCish

205 darthstar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:30:12pm

re: #186 The Scorpion

I have two kids with a third on the way.

Wow, your wife must be busy while you're online winning.

206 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:31:24pm

re: #205 darthstar

Wow, your wife must be busy while you're online winning.

OH SNAP!

207 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:31:24pm

re: #199 tnguitarist

And rebel flags for drapes?

Hopefully for diapers.

208 Kragar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:31:25pm

re: #205 darthstar

Wow, your wife must be busy while you're online winning.

The funny thing is he still thinks their his.

209 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:31:43pm

re: #161 SpaceJesus

your "side" consists of a small group of middle aged unemployed men who sit around on their fat asses salivating at the idea of registering a sock account on a blog they were banned from years ago.

And fantasizing about abusing women. Really all of that projection is just the sign of the smallest manhoods and he most loser lifestyles.

210 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:31:59pm
211 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:32:34pm

re: #210 The Scorpion

I have to leave now as I am taking my kids to the park with my lovely wife. I just came in here for laughs and to mock the collective powerlessness of Charles and this blog.

Bye now and get some tissues for November.

Give guggi and natasha a big wet kiss from me :)

212 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:32:42pm

re: #210 The Scorpion

By gosh, you win!!!

213 Gus  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:32:43pm

re: #210 The Scorpion

So long, hick.

214 lawhawk  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:32:43pm

Geller thinks that if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes true. That can't be further from the truth of course. The "mega mosque" isn't solely a mosque (it's a community center and includes a theater and other community space sorely lacking in Lower Manhattan). 100,000 sf of space isn't exactly mega mosque territory. It barely makes a dent in the size of space of a small building in Lower Manhattan.

215 jaunte  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:32:58pm

re: #210 The Scorpion

It's always about feelings with the emo types.

216 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:33:00pm

Seriously, I am looking forward to the Midterms. I love a good hot election. It's like sideshows or boxing is for some people. Even if my side loses, I get a high off the tension.

Sick, yes, but OTOH, we have to have them anyway, so someone may as well enjoy it.

217 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:33:00pm

re: #197 windsagio

Pissy.
Bwahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

218 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:33:43pm

re: #195 Amory Blaine

Baghdad Bob? Is that you?

Comical Ali! God, I loved that guy! He was great!

219 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:33:52pm

re: #210 The Scorpion

have fun going to 7-11 for more cheetos

220 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:33:56pm

re: #186 The Scorpion

I have two kids with a third on the way.


The good news? You are too busy on the internet to play with them.

221 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:34:32pm

one more time on the way out.

People like that, ignore them. You're not making them feel bad, and you're only giving them what they want.

Report and move on, its the only solution... And it'll make them way madder than any smart response you can come up with.

222 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:34:38pm

My mom was picked to be filmed in an ad for Robin Carnahan this morning. I'll talk to her soon to see how it went.

223 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:35:01pm
224 RadicalModerate  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:35:06pm

The Scorpion, in a nutshell:


Image: lol_i_troll_u_851.png

225 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:35:09pm
226 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:35:28pm

Down with all intractable controversies.

Get drunk instead.

Screw, if you would like.

Have a good time, life is short.

See the beauty.

227 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:35:40pm

re: #216 SanFranciscoZionist

Seriously, I am looking forward to the Midterms. I love a good hot election. It's like sideshows or boxing is for some people. Even if my side loses, I get a high off the tension.

Sick, yes, but OTOH, we have to have them anyway, so someone may as well enjoy it.

ha.
I feel the same way.

228 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:35:47pm

re: #201 The Scorpion

I am just relaying the truth to this little bubble of delusions here. Charles has no influence and it's funny seeing him think he's influencing anything.

The Arizona ice tea I'm drinking is more relevant than Charles.

What flavor?

229 [deleted]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:35:51pm
230 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:36:15pm

re: #214 lawhawk

Geller thinks that if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes true. That can't be further from the truth of course. The "mega mosque" isn't solely a mosque (it's a community center and includes a theater and other community space sorely lacking in Lower Manhattan). 100,000 sf of space isn't exactly mega mosque territory. It barely makes a dent in the size of space of a small building in Lower Manhattan.

Please correct me if I am mistaken...I think it's the mosque that is constitutionally protected, not the community center.

231 darthstar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:37:06pm

re: #226 Ojoe

Down with all intractable controversies.

Get drunk instead.

Screw, if you would like.

Have a good time, life is short.

See the beauty.

Hear, hear!

232 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:37:26pm

Windsagio may be right. We should coordinate a mass ignoring for the next troll. It would probably piss them off to no end.

233 blueraven  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:37:49pm

re: #230 Spare O'Lake

Please correct me if I am mistaken...I think it's the mosque that is constitutionally protected, not the community center.

It's both. Private property rights, and religious rights.

234 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:38:01pm

re: #210 The Scorpion

Bye now and get some tissues for November.

Wow, haven't heard that since...2008!

235 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:38:31pm

re: #221 windsagio

one more time on the way out.

People like that, ignore them. You're not making them feel bad, and you're only giving them what they want.

Report and move on, its the only solution... And it'll make them way madder than any smart response you can come up with.

I liked my musical reference, though!

236 Shiplord Kirel  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:38:39pm

As posted by Mandy in pages, another dozen of those who really did stand with the 9-11 hijackers have found themselves unavailable for comment.

237 lawhawk  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:38:56pm

re: #230 Spare O'Lake

There will be prayer space there - and it's a religious group that is going to build the whole facility. The CI has the constitutional right to build the prayer space, and is constitutionally protected in doing so. The CI has already gotten the government approvals to build so all that's left is outrageous outrage over the fact that a Muslim group (Sufis in fact) is seeking to build its space in Lower Manhattan two blocks from Ground Zero.

238 blueraven  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:39:05pm

re: #232 tnguitarist

Windsagio may be right. We should coordinate a mass ignoring for the next troll. It would probably piss them off to no end.

But not nearly as much fun! They don't get to influence the way we operate here.

239 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:40:07pm

re: #74 The Scorpion

The American people are against Park 51. How do you all feel to be going against public opinion? Day in and day out you all stay here self righteous in your little echo chamber, yet public opinion is against this.

How does it feel to be ineffectual and irrelevant?

Public opinion = mob rule.

We have a Constitution here, dumbass.

240 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:40:18pm

re: #238 blueraven

But not nearly as much fun! They don't get to influence the way we operate here.

Just once it would be funny, though. Have you ever been really pissed at someone and they hung up the phone on you?

241 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:40:21pm

re: #162 The Scorpion

And you're a troll, destined for the roasting spit.

242 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:40:23pm

re: #230 Spare O'Lake

Please correct me if I am mistaken...I think it's the mosque that is constitutionally protected, not the community center.

Well, the mosque is constitutionally protected in the sense that you can't not let someone build a mosque because it's a mosque. The center is protected in the sense that you can't not let someone build a community center because they're Muslims. But someone with more specific legal knowledge should feel free to correct me.

243 Guanxi88  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:43:11pm

From time to time, in my moments of clarity, I reflect on the heat with which I debate controversies over which I have no control and the effects of which, in my daily life, fall below the threshold of detection.

Seems to me, Ojoe's got the right idea.

244 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:43:28pm

re: #230 Spare O'Lake

Please correct me if I am mistaken...I think it's the mosque that is constitutionally protected, not the community center.

Why do I get the feeling that this will be the new talking point against the center?

Very very scary

245 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:43:31pm

re: #201 The Scorpion

m jst rlyng th trth t ths lttl bbbl f dlsns hr. Charles hs n nflnc nd t's fnny sng hm thnk h's nflncng nythng.

Th rzn c t 'm drnkng s mr rlvnt thn Charles.

The troll says what?

246 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:43:42pm

re: #237 lawhawk

There will be prayer space there - and it's a religious group that is going to build the whole facility. The CI has the constitutional right to build the prayer space, and is constitutionally protected in doing so. The CI has already gotten the government approvals to build so all that's left is outrageous outrage over the fact that a Muslim group (Sufis in fact) is seeking to build its space in Lower Manhattan two blocks from Ground Zero.

I see that. But if it was a community centre with no prayer facility would it be a constitutional issue or just a municipal issue?

247 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:44:19pm

I have a t-shirt on that say CORNHOLE. I bought it at the grocery store. They had several varieties, one said "Got Cornhole?" If it wasn't black on a white T, I'd a got that one,

I'm snickering like a 12 year old.

248 Guanxi88  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:44:29pm

re: #240 tnguitarist

Just once it would be funny, though. Have you ever been really pissed at someone and they hung up the phone on you?

One of my favorite things to say to someone is "Let me hear you hang up."

My second favorite thing along these lines is to call someone back with whom I'm pissed, just for the sublime pleasure of hanging up on them.

249 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:44:39pm

re: #244 Stanley Sea

Why do I get the feeling that this will be the new talking point against the center?

Very very scary

It is, but only in Canada.

250 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:45:07pm

re: #74 The Scorpion

The American people are against Park 51. How do you all feel to be going against public opinion? Day in and day out you all stay here self righteous in your little echo chamber, yet public opinion is against this.

How does it feel to be ineffectual and irrelevant?

Gee, Skippy, public opinion is of course always right, so now I guess I has a sad.

Public opinion in post-1933 Germany was overwhelmingly for the Nazis whose ilk are reappearing now here in America. I guess the Germans who were still against all that had a sad, too.

251 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:45:35pm

re: #243 Guanxi88

Thank you. And now I'm going back to some tedious structural calculations. (A job! a job!)

BBL

252 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:45:37pm

re: #211 LudwigVanQuixote

Give guggi and natasha a big wet kiss from me :)

He'll fit right in over there. He'll be free to flounce about in the fever swamp with his fellow trolls.

253 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:45:47pm

re: #189 LudwigVanQuixote

Take no shame in calling a brown shirt a brown shirt. They are. Of course they are.

Their pants are brown because they shit themselves. They just got the shirts to match.

254 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:45:53pm

re: #167 reine.de.tout

Your spelling, punctuation and grammar pretty much suck.
REGINALD PERRIN, can you identify this person?

I know of several inept trolls that fit that description, you are going to have to give me more to work with.
*wink*

255 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:46:45pm

re: #239 Alouette

Public opinion = mob rule.

We have a Constitution here, dumbass.

So make no doubt that these are, they really are anti-American, and they are, they really are modern day brownshirts. It's the same ignorance arrogance, swagger and naked hatred that can only come from a weak beta seeking payback.

256 Gus  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:47:03pm

re: #104 prairiefire

Polls showed 78% of Americans against inter-race marriage in 1968. We leave ignorance behind in America.

Hey, Prairiefire. Check your ding on #74.

:)

257 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:47:13pm

re: #252 Dark_Falcon

He'll fit right in over there. He'll be free to flounce about in the fever swamp with his fellow trolls.

I'm pretty sure it came from there.

258 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:47:26pm

re: #249 Jeff In Ohio

It is, but only in Canada.

Heh. Didn't you get the memo? The GOP and the right wing blogosphere both take their marching orders from an anonymous Canadian blogger.

259 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:47:26pm

re: #202 LudwigVanQuixote

Pity that rednecks breed! How many of them have the same partner for the other parent?

Somebody call CPS.

260 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:47:56pm

re: #246 Spare O'Lake

I see that. But if it was a community centre with no prayer facility would it be a constitutional issue or just a municipal issue?

It's a constitutional issue only in the sense that constitutionally derived law will not permit the authorities to discriminate against the property owner based on race, religion, etc, etc.

For example, taking this out of Manhattan, the zoning board in Berkeley could have decided not to let Congregation Beth El build their big new shul in the hills if they had determined that the plan to have loudspeakers blasting 'Hava Nagila' out over the neighborhood until midnight every evening was not OK. What they then couldn't do is allow a church to do the same thing and blast "We Plow the Fields And Scatter".

261 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:48:06pm

re: #134 The Scorpion

Yup, we have tomorrow because the American people have awaken [sic]. They are tired of being spat on [sic] the face and apologists of our enemies like you. November 2nd will be the beginning of the end for your side.

Spoken like a true Nazi. Completed with retarded grammar and syntax.

"Deutschland has awakened, tomorrow beeelongs to meee!"

262 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:48:25pm

re: #256 Gus 802

Hey, Prairiefire. Check your ding on #74.

:)

Thanks, ever so!

263 Gus  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:49:05pm

re: #262 prairiefire

Thanks, ever so!

No problem. I figured it was a mistake considering your comment to it.

264 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:49:14pm

re: #260 SanFranciscoZionist

It's a constitutional issue only in the sense that constitutionally derived law will not permit the authorities to discriminate against the property owner based on race, religion, etc, etc.

For example, taking this out of Manhattan, the zoning board in Berkeley could have decided not to let Congregation Beth El build their big new shul in the hills if they had determined that the plan to have loudspeakers blasting 'Hava Nagila' out over the neighborhood until midnight every evening was not OK. What they then couldn't do is allow a church to do the same thing and blast "We Plow the Fields And Scatter".

That's the rock remix of "We Plow The Fields and Scatter" of course.

265 Kragar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:49:41pm

Well, I'm off.

Some food for thought. Everytime C-3PO said "Thank the Maker", he was giving Thanks to Darth Vader.

Think about it.

266 RadicalModerate  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:50:05pm

re: #202 LudwigVanQuixote

Pity that rednecks breed! How many of them have the same partner for the other parent?

I honestly had to hold my tongue about asking him how many of his two kids (and one on the way) had a mullet.

267 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:50:13pm

re: #236 Shiplord Kirel

As posted by Mandy in pages, another dozen of those who really did stand with the 9-11 hijackers have found themselves unavailable for comment.

Yes, taking a nice, relaxing dirt bath.

I take great pleasure in this.

268 Guanxi88  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:50:21pm

re: #265 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Well, I'm off.

Some food for thought. Everytime C-3PO said "Thank the Maker", he was giving Thanks to Darth Vader.

Think about it.

A model worthy of emulation, that shiny little wimp.

269 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:50:37pm

re: #175 Dark_Falcon

No, they just let the hate overwhelm their good sense, It can happen to anyone, and its even happened to both you and me.

NO it never has to me. Not like that.

And no, Newt has never had a moral bone in his body. Just ask his wives.

Don't ever compare decent people those scum to me again.

270 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:51:04pm

re: #247 Jeff In Ohio

I have a t-shirt on that say CORNHOLE. I bought it at the grocery store. They had several varieties, one said "Got Cornhole?" If it wasn't black on a white T, I'd a got that one,

I'm snickering like a 12 year old.

It's the Great Cornholio!

271 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:51:46pm

re: #269 LudwigVanQuixote

PIMF

insertion error.

NO it never has to me. Not like that.

And no, Newt has never had a moral bone in his body. Just ask his wives.

Don't ever compare decent people to those scum again.

272 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:52:15pm

re: #266 RadicalModerate

I honestly had to hold my tongue about asking him how many of his two kids (and one on the way) had a mullet.

I was pondering a question on consanguinity but realized he wouldn't get the slam.

273 lawhawk  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:52:19pm

re: #265 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Well, I'm off.

Some food for thought. Everytime C-3PO said "Thank the Maker", he was giving Thanks to Darth Vader.

Think about it.

Heh... and the Force was the result of a parasite.
/frakking midichlorians

274 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:52:26pm

re: #260 SanFranciscoZionist

It's a constitutional issue only in the sense that constitutionally derived law will not permit the authorities to discriminate against the property owner based on race, religion, etc, etc.

For example, taking this out of Manhattan, the zoning board in Berkeley could have decided not to let Congregation Beth El build their big new shul in the hills if they had determined that the plan to have loudspeakers blasting 'Hava Nagila' out over the neighborhood until midnight every evening was not OK. What they then couldn't do is allow a church to do the same thing and blast "We Plow the Fields And Scatter".

Interesting. May I assume that the same would apply even if it was not a shul but a community centre?

275 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:52:32pm

re: #270 austin_blue

It's the Great Cornholio!

ARE YOU THREATENING ME?!

276 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:52:52pm

Ever notice how the Nazis' wives are always "lovely" and there's always another kid on the way?

Just sayin'.

277 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:53:16pm

re: #251 Ojoe

Thank you. And now I'm going back to some tedious structural calculations. (A job! a job!)

BBL

Moment diagrams?

278 Guanxi88  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:53:41pm

re: #277 Amory Blaine

Moment diagrams?

Nah, sounds like it's gonna take all day.
/

279 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:55:37pm

How can she seriously say that he stood with the 9-11 hijackers and call ti a triumphatry mosque. This crap seriously borders on Nazi propaganda. People like Geller are hatemongers pure and simple and they should be ashamed of themselves.

280 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:56:00pm

re: #270 austin_blue

It's the Great Cornholio!

Heh, The rich, unintended irony - this is one of the few things I like about southern Ohio.

281 RadicalModerate  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:56:07pm

re: #275 Varek Raith

ARE YOU THREATENING ME?!

On a related note, I am absolutely geeked that Mike Judge is making new Beavis and Butthead episodes.

[Link: www.denofgeek.com...]

282 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:56:18pm

re: #261 Cato the Elder

Spoken like a true Nazi. Completed with retarded grammar and syntax.

"Deutschland has awakened, tomorrow beeelongs to meee!"

Yeah, delusional dream of Heute Europa, Morgens de welt!

Make no mistakes about modern brownshirts. It is not Godwin to just see them for the parasitic infection that they are.

It is also not wrong to remember what my grandfather and the rest of America did to them the last go around.

283 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:56:31pm

re: #274 Spare O'Lake

Interesting. May I assume that the same would apply even if it was not a shul but a community centre?

I am not some great property-rights maven, but I believe the key issue would be if the zoning board was taking race, religion, etc. into consideration. Legal lizards?

284 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:56:43pm

re: #281 RadicalModerate

On a related note, I am absolutely geeked that Mike Judge is making new Beavis and Butthead episodes.

[Link: www.denofgeek.com...]

Awesome.

285 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:56:51pm

re: #269 LudwigVanQuixote

NO it never has to me. Not like that.
And no, Newt has never had a moral bone in his body. Just ask his wives.
Don't ever compare decent people those scum to me again.

How about the time when you wanted to commit mass murder against the AGW deniers?

286 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:56:51pm

re: #279 HappyWarrior

How can she seriously say that he stood with the 9-11 hijackers and call ti a triumphatry mosque. This crap seriously borders on Nazi propaganda. People like Geller are hatemongers pure and simple and they should be ashamed of themselves.

It doesn't border. It is the same music with a different arrangement.

287 Guanxi88  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:57:25pm

Medical update:

Wife's boil healed up quite nicely - the Yunnan Baiyao really lived up to its hype. I'd only used it for little nicks and cuts, never thinking to use it for deep wounds, but that's what it was originally made for.

So, now we keep a couple bottles (it comes in 4 gram jars only - no larger sizes) on hand at all times.

I'd suggest folk keep some on hand - it's pretty spiffy stuff, and works wonders.

288 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:57:31pm

re: #279 HappyWarrior

How can she seriously say that he stood with the 9-11 hijackers and call ti a triumphatry mosque. This crap seriously borders on Nazi propaganda. People like Geller are hatemongers pure and simple and they should be ashamed of themselves.

It doesn't "border" on Nazi propaganda. It is Nazi propaganda. Copied directly from the Nazi playbook, in English (of a sort), and with different victims (for now).

289 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:57:44pm

re: #282 LudwigVanQuixote

The problem with a 'Godwin' is that it in general weakens your argument to make the comparison, even if you're right. It doesn't add force, it reduces it.

290 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:58:07pm

re: #286 LudwigVanQuixote

It doesn't border. It is the same music with a different arrangement.

It really is beginning to feel that way more and more.

291 _RememberTonyC  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:58:21pm

If anyone from FOX News Channel is hanging with the lizards right now, I'd like to share some feedback. Putting geller, wilders, alex jones, et al on your network is a horrible idea. And glenn beck may help deliver eyeballs to your 6pm news show, but he has to be reigned in before he goes "Howard Beale" some night soon. I've defended FNC and still watch it, but I'm spending more time with CNN lately. There are enough decent right of center voices you can put on TV without stooping to the level of those I named. You should set the bar higher ...

292 palomino  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:58:50pm

re: #117 The Scorpion

Ah always using the race card. Stormfront are just a big bunch of idiots like you. They are on the losing side of history.

Denying rights based on race, religion, etc. is never the winning side in American history. You and your reactionary mates will win some battles, but you can't win the war.

As for how it feels to be powerless, why don't you tell us? Just think back to the elections of 2006 and 2008, and remember how you and your teabagging comrades felt.

293 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 1:59:02pm

re: #288 Cato the Elder

It doesn't "border" on Nazi propaganda. It is Nazi propaganda. Copied directly from the Nazi playbook, in English (of a sort), and with different victims (for now).

Yep quite true.

294 TheMatrix31  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:00:52pm

Am I the only one who just doesnt give a fuck about this whole issue?

295 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:02:04pm

re: #294 TheMatrix31

Am I the only one who just doesnt give a fuck about this whole issue?

On the right side of the political aisle, sure seems like it.

296 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:02:26pm

re: #294 TheMatrix31

Am I the only one who just doesnt give a fuck about this whole issue?

Yes.

297 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:02:33pm

re: #294 TheMatrix31

Am I the only one who just doesnt give a fuck about this whole issue?

Yup, yer right. Doesn't matter at all that people (including prominent politicians) are claiming that the sitting president supported terrorist attacks on the US. Total nontroversy.

298 TheMatrix31  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:03:12pm

re: #297 windsagio

Yup, yer right. Doesn't matter at all that people (including prominent politicians) are claiming that the sitting president supported terrorist attacks on the US. Total nontroversy.

Not the Geller crap, the whole thing.

I mean like, dude, its everywhere I turn. Jeez.

299 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:03:51pm

re: #285 Spare O'Lake

Wow, judging from the downdngs we're just a tad humourless these days, aren't we?

300 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:03:52pm

re: #298 TheMatrix31

Not the Geller crap, the whole thing.

I mean like, dude, its everywhere I turn. Jeez.

That's because the Right is having a collective freak out over it.

301 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:04:22pm

re: #294 TheMatrix31

Am I the only one who just doesnt give a fuck about this whole issue?

You mean the rising tide of American craziness, or the Park51 thing?

Because honestly, I could care less if there is a cultural center in Manhattan with a mosque upstairs. Build it, don't build it, make it a whole new building, stay in the Burlington coat factory--that's for the Muslim community and the Manhattan zoning people to sort out. I have fears and issues, but they aren't important or all that relevent.

The reaction to it, however, is scaring the shit out of me.

302 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:04:27pm

re: #294 TheMatrix31

Am I the only one who just doesnt give a fuck about this whole issue?

Given your pasty contributions here, it doesn't surprise me in the least.

The encroachment of creeping fascism among the right-wing members of our society probably gives you a chubby, though.

303 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:04:30pm

re: #299 Spare O'Lake

Wow, judging from the downdngs we're just a tad humourless these days, aren't we?

Hurhurhur.

304 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:04:30pm

re: #294 TheMatrix31

Am I the only one who just doesnt give a fuck about this whole issue?

You have no idea how little i want to have any opinion of a community centre in Manhattan. Unfortunately some asswipes are trying to kick up a shit storm about it.

305 darthstar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:04:46pm

re: #294 TheMatrix31

Am I the only one who just doesnt give a fuck about this whole issue?

Geller, Palin, Gingrich, etc. don't give a fuck about whether a mosque gets built near the WTC site either...but they see it as a potential wedge issue and they're driving it with all the force they can muster. It's only appropriate to expose their xenophobia and bigotry for what it is, so that their vile rhetoric becomes as toothless as they are.

306 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:05:18pm

re: #285 Spare O'Lake

How about the time when you wanted to commit mass murder against the AGW deniers?

Well funny you mention that asshole.

I love the chance to be specific, just like I was on that very thread.

I was talking about the people in power who are blocking any action of AGW legislation. I made it clear then and I will make it clear again.

Those people, the corporate propagandists and their pet politicians are doing their best to insure the collapse of our ation and teh deaths of billions.

I said, quite correctly that they should be tried for crimes against humanity and executed.

Certainly you would agree that a mass murderer who sets a time bomb in a public place ought to be executed. Certainly, you would agree that A mass murderer who set a time bomb that slowly released a poison gas which slowly poisoned millions should be tried for crimes against humanity and executed right?

Do you think the lethality from the consequences of the concentrations of CO2 and methane we are creating will not kill millions? Yet these people are dedicated to seeing that it happens.

Should ones who want this to happen not be considered criminals?

Were the heat waves in India or Pakistan not sufficient for you? What of the failed Russian crops? This is just the start of the process getting really bad. Much worse is in store.

Do those who want to bring this on human civilization across the planet get a pass?

This is not hyperbole. This isnot just what I am saying. Tese cause and effect consequences are verified by the legitimate scientific community and at this point, millions of man years of data collection.

Just as setting a timer on a bomb in a crowded market will murder, so will this. Only this effects everyone.

So quote me and my thoughts correctly douche bag.

307 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:05:36pm
308 TheMatrix31  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:05:40pm

It's akin to the Brett Favre saga, to me.

309 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:05:58pm

re: #291 _RememberTonyC

If anyone from FOX News Channel is hanging with the lizards right now, I'd like to share some feedback. Putting geller, wilders, alex jones, et al on your network is a horrible idea. And glenn beck may help deliver eyeballs to your 6pm news show, but he has to be reigned in before he goes "Howard Beale" some night soon. I've defended FNC and still watch it, but I'm spending more time with CNN lately. There are enough decent right of center voices you can put on TV without stooping to the level of those I named. You should set the bar higher ...

Agreed. Glenn Beck is a loon, and if the GOP does take both houses of Congress in November, I think he'll be removed. Beck can only really work in the opposition. Can you imagine him having to have one of the authors of a bill on his show and have to ask about why this law is good? I can't. Beck can only tear down, he lacks the patience to build up.

310 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:06:00pm

re: #289 windsagio

The problem with a 'Godwin' is that it in general weakens your argument to make the comparison, even if you're right. It doesn't add force, it reduces it.

Until people really see it for what it is. Then they say "holy shit" and put together what has been said all along.

311 TheMatrix31  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:06:09pm

re: #302 Cato the Elder

Given your pasty contributions here, it doesn't surprise me in the least.

The encroachment of creeping fascism among the right-wing members of our society probably gives you a chubby, though.

So are you accusing me of supporting fascism, you fucking dick?

312 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:06:26pm

re: #299 Spare O'Lake

Wow, judging from the downdngs we're just a tad humourless these days, aren't we?

Yup you weren't trying to piss off LVQ at all. Just an innocent joke that people are too humorless to get.

You're such a terrible person, its mindblowing.

313 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:06:37pm

re: #299 Spare O'Lake

Wow, judging from the downdngs we're just a tad humourless these days, aren't we?

Maybe it wasn't humorous.

314 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:06:42pm

re: #311 TheMatrix31

So are you accusing me of supporting fascism, you fucking dick?

That's right.

315 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:07:00pm

re: #304 wozzablog

You have no idea how little i want to have any opinion of a community centre in Manhattan. Unfortunately some asswipes are trying to kick up a shit storm about it.

I already went through enough with Beth Sholom's rebuild.

This is what we ended up with. I think it's ridiculous-looking, but the opposition was so ugly and borderline anti-Semitic that I ended up feeling as though I had to support every last detail of the project. A word of warning.

It has also won some awards, so not everyone agrees with me.

316 TheMatrix31  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:07:06pm

re: #314 Cato the Elder

Wow.....wow.

Christ Almighty wow.

317 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:07:09pm

re: #306 LudwigVanQuixote

I said, quite correctly that they should be tried for crimes against humanity and executed.

Good one, nutbar.

318 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:07:14pm

American Imams visit Dachau:[Link: www.forward.com...]

319 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:07:16pm

re: #301 SanFranciscoZionist

You mean the rising tide of American craziness, or the Park51 thing?

Because honestly, I could care less if there is a cultural center in Manhattan with a mosque upstairs. Build it, don't build it, make it a whole new building, stay in the Burlington coat factory--that's for the Muslim community and the Manhattan zoning people to sort out. I have fears and issues, but they aren't important or all that relevent.

The reaction to it, however, is scaring the shit out of me.

Thank you so much. You distilled the *real* problem to its essence.

320 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:07:53pm

re: #308 TheMatrix31

It's akin to the Brett Favre saga, to me.

Well, if you're a Bears fan, that was pretty important.

321 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:08:04pm

re: #318 prairiefire

American Imams visit Dachau:[Link: www.forward.com...]

I was there a couple springs ago. Still haunted by it honestly.

322 lawhawk  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:08:15pm

re: #304 wozzablog

I've been pretty ambivalent to the whole thing, and I work a couple of blocks from it (and 1 from Ground Zero). The community needs it, and that's good enough for me. I'd appreciate if the group were more open about their funding, but this isn't like the MAS or Holy Land Foundation backing the project - where each has noted links and ties with terror groups on the State Department lists.

323 palomino  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:08:32pm

re: #308 TheMatrix31

It's akin to the Brett Favre saga, to me.

Yeah, an indecisive football player is just like fundamental questions of religious freedom and the bigoted demagoguery attached to it.

324 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:08:54pm

re: #316 TheMatrix31

Wow...wow.

Christ Almighty wow.

If the boot fits, wear it. If it's on your neck, lick it.

325 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:08:59pm

re: #314 Cato the Elder

That's right.

Why do you say that, Cato?

326 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:09:01pm

re: #312 windsagio

Yup you weren't trying to piss off LVQ at all. Just an innocent joke that people are too humorless to get.

You're such a terrible person, its mindblowing.

Wooo.. wooo... such a terrible person... (running in circles, hands on head)... mama... make him go away... make him go away...

Geeessshhhh... great argument Windy!

327 TheMatrix31  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:09:09pm

re: #323 palomino

Yeah, an indecisive football player is just like fundamental questions of religious freedom and the bigoted demagoguery attached to it.

In terms of coverage.

328 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:09:35pm

re: #317 Spare O'Lake

Good one, nutbar.

So why don't you just flounce already? Really. No one needs your incessant whining and sniping.

329 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:09:50pm

re: #326 Walter L. Newton

Wooo.. wooo... such a terrible person... (running in circles, hands on head)... mama... make him go away... make him go away...

Geeessshhh... great argument Windy!

I'm telling Charles on you!!!
:P

330 blueraven  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:10:28pm

re: #311 TheMatrix31

So are you accusing me of supporting fascism, you fucking dick?

But you don't care that Geller and her ilk accuse the President of the United States of America of supporting the terrorists of 9/11?

331 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:10:30pm

re: #326 Walter L. Newton

Wooo.. wooo... such a terrible person... (running in circles, hands on head)... mama... make him go away... make him go away...

Geeessshhh... great argument Windy!

Sometimes the best argument is the truth.

Guy's a pig.

332 lawhawk  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:10:40pm

re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist

What does it look like on the inside because from the outside it has the outline of a menorah, but I'm not too keen on it. The shape is distinctive and could make for a very dramatic interior with stadium seating or the like...

333 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:10:59pm

re: #326 Walter L. Newton

Wooo.. wooo... such a terrible person... (running in circles, hands on head)... mama... make him go away... make him go away...

Geeessshhh... great argument Windy!

MUAHAHAHAHA!
I IS EEEBIL, I TELLS YA...EEEBILLL!!!11!

334 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:11:12pm

re: #294 TheMatrix31

Am I the only one who just doesnt give a fuck about this whole issue?

It's kind of a big deal for the country and the very nature of what the constitution protects, even if you don't live in NY

335 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:11:15pm

re: #327 TheMatrix31

In terms of coverage.

Actually, if anything Park 51 is being covered less. Brett Farve is certainly more visible than anyone associated with Park 51 or the opposition to it, save perhaps Newt.

336 TheMatrix31  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:11:18pm

re: #330 blueraven

But you don't care that Geller and her ilk accuse the President of the United States of America of supporting the terrorists of 9/11?

Like I said, my comment was for the whole issue OVERALL. I made that abundantly clear.

337 Nimed  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:11:20pm

re: #294 TheMatrix31

Am I the only one who just doesnt give a fuck about this whole issue?

Of the people who don't, you're the only one who feels the need to constantly remind us.

338 jaunte  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:11:35pm

re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist

I already went through enough with Beth Sholom's rebuild.

This is what we ended up with. I think it's ridiculous-looking, but the opposition was so ugly and borderline anti-Semitic that I ended up feeling as though I had to support every last detail of the project. A word of warning.

It has also won some awards, so not everyone agrees with me.

Interesting; some inside photos here:
[Link: www.e-architect.co.uk...]

339 TheMatrix31  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:12:00pm

re: #337 Nimed

Of the people who don't, you're the only one who feels the need to constantly remind us.

I've said it twice.

340 darthstar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:12:19pm

re: #328 LudwigVanQuixote

So why don't you just flounce already? Really. No one needs your incessant whining and sniping.

Sparrow's been walking around with a hard-on since the whole Cordoba controversy was escalated by wing-nuts. As far as s/he is concerned, they're "winning" (Almost makes me wonder if Sparrow and Scorpion are related).

341 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:12:57pm

re: #176 The Scorpion

I loved you when you tossed Johnny Cage into that pit, that was sweet dude

342 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:13:14pm

re: #340 darthstar

Sparrow's been walking around with a hard-on since the whole Cordoba controversy was escalated by wing-nuts. As far as s/he is concerned, they're "winning" (Almost makes me wonder if Sparrow and Scorpion are related).

Oh, you cat.

343 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:13:16pm

re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist

I already went through enough with Beth Sholom's rebuild.

This is what we ended up with. I think it's ridiculous-looking, but the opposition was so ugly and borderline anti-Semitic that I ended up feeling as though I had to support every last detail of the project. A word of warning.

It has also won some awards, so not everyone agrees with me.

I like old-fashioned ecclesiastical architecture. Pretty buildings that hearken back to ancient glories.

In this, I am much like my father's friend Frank, who, being a devout and wealthy Catholic, donated extensively to the St. Mary's Cathedral building project in San Francisco, even though he lost the fight about what the church should look like.

They built this. It's fondly known as "St. Mary Maytag", or "Our Lady of the Phillips-Head Screwdriver".

On his way out of the first mass in the building, Frank wrung the then-archbishop's hand and said "Great homily, John. The building looks like shit, but a great sermon."

344 Nimed  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:13:28pm

re: #337 Nimed

As it occurred to you that we don't care whether you care or not? Or is it... inconceivable!

345 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:13:29pm

re: #341 WindUpBird

To absolutely nobody's surprise they just confirmed Scorpion for MK9.

346 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:13:35pm

re: #341 WindUpBird

I loved you when you tossed Johnny Cage into that pit, that was sweet dude

Gawd, I hate Johnny Cage.
FINISH HIM!!!

347 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:13:50pm

re: #311 TheMatrix31

So are you accusing me of supporting fascism, you fucking dick?

That's ok. I am too. Don't forget it.

348 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:13:51pm

re: #328 LudwigVanQuixote

So why don't you just flounce already? Really. No one needs your incessant whining and sniping.

I was defending another lizard against your unjustified diatribe.
If you have a problem with getting called on your idiocy then that's tough for you.

349 TheMatrix31  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:13:58pm

re: #341 WindUpBird

I loved you when you tossed Johnny Cage into that pit, that was sweet dude

Only funny thing you've ever said.

350 Cap'n Magic  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:14:03pm

All the Gellar's and Gingrich's have is fear, the hope that people have a short-term memory and a thirst for power.

That anybody gives Gingrich any credence (while prosecuting Clinton for Lewinsky-gate while he himself was engaging in similar behavior) is simply breath-taking.

Even in the event that they retake the house, the GOP will actually have to try to legislate-something that they haven't shown any compunction to do up to this point.

And if they take the Presidency in 2012-heaven help us if they (or Israel) decide to take out Iran-the Chinese will call our notes and it will be game over (assuming that China doesn't implode with their own financial cesspool.)

351 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:14:24pm

re: #345 windsagio

To absolutely nobody's surprise they just confirmed Scorpion for MK9.

He's like Ronald McDonald, he has to be in there

352 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:14:25pm

Trying to run off other posters was bad when people tried to do to Avanti two years ago, and its bad now when people try to do it to Matrix.

353 TheMatrix31  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:14:30pm

re: #347 LudwigVanQuixote

That's ok. I am too. Don't forget it.

I guess I should just go to North Korea then, like you said a few months ago.

I can't believe this shit.

354 darthstar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:14:40pm

re: #336 TheMatrix31

Like I said, my comment was for the whole issue OVERALL. I made that abundantly clear.

If you don't give a fuck, log out and watch repeats of "Walker, Texas Ranger" and leave the conversation to people who actually do care about this country and what assholes like Geller are trying to do to it.

355 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:14:43pm

re: #349 TheMatrix31

Only funny thing you've ever said.

haha thanks :D

356 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:15:05pm

re: #341 WindUpBird

I loved you when you tossed Johnny Cage into that pit, that was sweet dude

Flawless Victory.

Fatality.

357 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:15:26pm

re: #340 darthstar

Sparrow's been walking around with a hard-on since the whole Cordoba controversy was escalated by wing-nuts. As far as s/he is concerned, they're "winning" (Almost makes me wonder if Sparrow and Scorpion are related).

And Spare O'Lake is not alone in this thinking. In regards to the mosque issue, he is now getting push back from his own party. From Politico... "And Democrats — at least some who were willing to comment — could barely contain their frustration over Obama’s remarks, saying he had potentially placed every one of their candidates into the middle of the debate by giving GOP candidates a chance to ask them point-blank: Do you agree with Obama on the mosque, or not?"

358 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:15:35pm

re: #340 darthstar

Sparrow's been walking around with a hard-on since the whole Cordoba controversy was escalated by wing-nuts. As far as s/he is concerned, they're "winning" (Almost makes me wonder if Sparrow and Scorpion are related).

Get help.

359 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:15:53pm

re: #351 WindUpBird

Also for the record, that's how you deal with a troll, if you're not gonna just totally ignore them :P

360 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:15:54pm

re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist

I already went through enough with Beth Sholom's rebuild.

This is what we ended up with. I think it's ridiculous-looking, but the opposition was so ugly and borderline anti-Semitic that I ended up feeling as though I had to support every last detail of the project. A word of warning.

It has also won some awards, so not everyone agrees with me.

Eww.

I am not a big fan of huge modernistic structures smack in the middle of what looks like an old, classic neighborhood.

That thing really belongs on its own campus, set back on a winding road and hidden behind a bunch of trees.

361 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:15:56pm

re: #345 windsagio

To absolutely nobody's surprise they just confirmed Scorpion for MK9.

What's Mk9?

362 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:16:12pm

re: #53 Lidane

I sure as hell didn't. Newt's an ass and always has been. It's not a surprise to see him siding with the bigots now.

I always read Newt's 'Contract with America' s 'Contract On America'.

So his appearance at this shindig surprises me not at all.

363 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:16:19pm

I'm in too good a mood to get into the whole mosque thing today, I have little computer men to build and a totally awesome sandwich to make and then consume

364 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:16:19pm

re: #332 lawhawk

What does it look like on the inside because from the outside it has the outline of a menorah, but I'm not too keen on it. The shape is distinctive and could make for a very dramatic interior with stadium seating or the like...

The main sanctuary is inside the menorah section on top. The ark and bimah are at the bottom of the curve, and the seating rises up the sides. It's not wildly comfortable, IMHO, although the stairs do provide the small kids with a lot of climbing space.

Not my cup of tea, and not nearly as comfortable as the old building. It's a bit as though the building is this piece of avant-garde art, and the congregation is trying to have a shul in the bits we can fit into.

Not my regular shul any more, so not a major source of discomfort, but it's not my style.

365 palomino  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:16:49pm

re: #327 TheMatrix31

In terms of coverage.

The media coverage of both stories sucks. But the Favre soap opera is boring, now that it's in its third sequel.

And the Park51 story is actually important, given the hysterical reactions from those who profess to believe in the First Amendment.

366 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:17:03pm

re: #359 windsagio

Also for the record, that's how you deal with a troll, if you're not gonna just totally ignore them :P

Ronald McDonald? I agree, he's terrifying

367 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:17:53pm

re: #332 lawhawk

What does it look like on the inside because from the outside it has the outline of a menorah, but I'm not too keen on it. The shape is distinctive and could make for a very dramatic interior with stadium seating or the like...

This shows part of the main sanctuary.

368 darthstar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:18:08pm

re: #357 Walter L. Newton

And Spare O'Lake is not alone in this thinking. In regards to the mosque issue, he is now getting push back from his own party. From Politico... "And Democrats — at least some who were willing to comment — could barely contain their frustration over Obama’s remarks, saying he had potentially placed every one of their candidates into the middle of the debate by giving GOP candidates a chance to ask them point-blank: Do you agree with Obama on the mosque, or not?"

And the simple, easy, and right answer is "Yes, I agree with the president that we shouldn't abandon the constitution of this great nation just because a handful of bigots think they can use the pain of 9/11 for political gain."

369 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:18:16pm

re: #361 Dark_Falcon

What's Mk9?

MK9

March 2011.

370 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:18:33pm

re: #366 WindUpBird

Ronald McDonald? I agree, he's terrifying

Image: 01_imlovinit.jpg

371 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:19:09pm

re: #348 Spare O'Lake

I was defending another lizard against your unjustified diatribe.
If you have a problem with getting called on your idiocy then that's tough for you.

You were snarking at me out of the blue and making crap up to do so.

However, I really don't care about that.

What I care about is assholes like you who are so interested in saving face for your shitty party that you will do anything to detract attention from its slide into fascism and anti-Americanism. It makes you a nonthinking, short sighted and petty idiot who is siding with insane scum.

People like you are a national embarrassment. You are the onse who made excuses from the sidelines when the brown shirts took over.

372 Michael McBacon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:19:26pm

re: #74 The Scorpion

How does it feel to be ineffectual and irrelevant?

Feeling down with all the down-dings, eh?

373 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:20:22pm

re: #360 Alouette

Eww.

I am not a big fan of huge modernistic structures smack in the middle of what looks like an old, classic neighborhood.

That thing really belongs on its own campus, set back on a winding road and hidden behind a bunch of trees.

I would have liked it if they'd set it up so the menorah section could rock back and forth.

You don't have to shuckle--the building shuckles you!!!

//

374 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:20:28pm

re: #357 Walter L. Newton

And Spare O'Lake is not alone in this thinking. In regards to the mosque issue, he is now getting push back from his own party. From Politico... "And Democrats — at least some who were willing to comment — could barely contain their frustration over Obama’s remarks, saying he had potentially placed every one of their candidates into the middle of the debate by giving GOP candidates a chance to ask them point-blank: Do you agree with Obama on the mosque, or not?"

That's gonna happen. Some dems are seeing populist anger towards Obama in their districts. And when that happens, their natural reaction will be to jump on the populist bandwagon. That's what politicians do.

375 TheMatrix31  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:20:30pm

Well, I'd love to stay and be called a fascist by people and watch that comment be supported by so many of the other users, but I have to get out of bed and get ready.

Later.

376 blueraven  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:20:38pm

re: #357 Walter L. Newton

And Spare O'Lake is not alone in this thinking. In regards to the mosque issue, he is now getting push back from his own party. From Politico... "And Democrats — at least some who were willing to comment — could barely contain their frustration over Obama’s remarks, saying he had potentially placed every one of their candidates into the middle of the debate by giving GOP candidates a chance to ask them point-blank: Do you agree with Obama on the mosque, or not?"

It's politics Walter. They should stand up and defend The Constitution and stop being a bunch of fraidy cats.

377 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:20:53pm

re: #357 Walter L. Newton

And if anyone disagrees with Obama they have no right to claim they value American Law. There is a point in time when people have to stand for American Values. The only disgrace is that it Took the President so long to make that statement.

I have little patience for your crap today Walter.

378 lawhawk  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:21:20pm

re: #360 Alouette

I'm with you on that... context matters with architecture, and that design doesn't fit in. You could do a modern take on classic forms and do something distinctive.

379 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:21:43pm

re: #357 Walter L. Newton

Oh, that doesn't surprise me, the paranoid and angry rubes will always outweigh people who really actually give a shit about the constitution

It would have been REAL easy for Obama to make this go away, and he didn't, and if Democrats can't handle that, they're just going to have to suck one and man up

I'm pretty elastic on a lot of issues, but I am not elastic on the establishment clause, that's core to America, and if Obama's forced Democrats into a little more honesty in the midterms about it, good for him.

380 Romantic Heretic  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:22:35pm

re: #106 The Scorpion

Comparing apples and oranges. Deal with the fact you are on the losing side!

History is with us on this.

Gott mit uns!

FTFY.

381 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:22:43pm

re: #363 WindUpBird

What's on the sandwich?

382 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:22:54pm

re: #368 darthstar

And the simple, easy, and right answer is "Yes, I agree with the president that we shouldn't abandon the constitution of this great nation just because a handful of bigots think they can use the pain of 9/11 for political gain."

I agree with you, but that was not the issue I was addressing. The other night, I wondered if this whole mosque issue, right or wrong on the populist front, was going to benefit the GOP. Stanley Sea suggested I was spinning the issue and that she had already heard that take from the right. Well, I hadn't heard that take from anyone at the time, I was just thinking on my own.

I was surprised to find that the some on the left was spinning it the same exact way.

That's all I was pointing out.

383 palomino  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:23:10pm

There's still a bit of mystery as to why Islamophobia seems to have recently skyrocketed, to the point that it's as intense (maybe more so) as it was immediately post-9/11.

I think one factor is the constant drumbeat from the likes of Geller that Obama is in fact a Muslim intent on imposing foreign values.

384 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:23:20pm

hi prairiefire :-)


how goes?

385 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:23:46pm

re: #371 LudwigVanQuixote

You were snarking at me out of the blue and making crap up to do so.

However, I really don't care about that.

What I care about is assholes like you who are so interested in saving face for your shitty party that you will do anything to detract attention from its slide into fascism and anti-Americanism. It makes you a nonthinking, short sighted and petty idiot who is siding with insane scum.

People like you are a national embarrassment. You are the onse who made excuses from the sidelines when the brown shirts took over.

Keep digging, loonie.

386 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:23:48pm

re: #74 The Scorpion

You're like those buzzcut boy-racer kids in the Lancer Evos at stoplights that always want to race me.

There's no race, bro, go wave your internet penis around at someone who cares and get yourself a speeding ticket

387 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:24:32pm

re: #381 prairiefire

What's on the sandwich?

roast beef and the tears of dragons


(but mostly beef)

388 darthstar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:24:38pm

re: #382 Walter L. Newton

Don't let what a handful of cowards say, and a political rag embellishes, convince you that the sky is falling. Critical thinking is a good skill...keep it.

389 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:25:05pm

re: #377 LudwigVanQuixote

And if anyone disagrees with Obama they have no right to claim they value American Law. There is a point in time when people have to stand for American Values. The only disgrace is that it Took the President so long to make that statement.

I have little patience for your crap today Walter.

Hey cake brain... I agree with President Obama on this issue. What the fuck is your problem?

390 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:25:38pm

re: #389 Walter L. Newton

Its Feisty Walter today!

391 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:25:42pm

re: #365 palomino

The media coverage of both stories sucks. But the Favre soap opera is boring, now that it's in its third sequel.

And the Park51 story is actually important, given the hysterical reactions from those who profess to believe in the First Amendment.

Park 51 is very important, and so I follow it closely. Brett Farve I also keep an eye on, but I'm from Chicago so I have to do so. I wish we could just sign the man and be done with it. With him, the Bears could make the Superbowl.

392 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:26:53pm

re: #383 palomino

There's still a bit of mystery as to why Islamophobia seems to have recently skyrocketed, to the point that it's as intense (maybe more so) as it was immediately post-9/11.

I think one factor is the constant drumbeat from the likes of Geller that Obama is in fact a Muslim intent on imposing foreign values.

I think it's more primal than that, it's a president who's an "other" and here are more "others" and THEY HIT USS ON NINE ELEVEN!!11 then WE'RE DOOMED!

I've listened to a lot of dumb rednecks call in and argue about Islam because Phil hendrie's show trolls them into calling. They really can't articulate any facts about Islam at all, they just talk about Jesus and some incoherent gibberish about how this is a Christian nation and you can't let "them" win

"them" being brown people of course

393 Fozzie Bear  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:26:59pm

The funny thing about evil is, it isn't evil. It's just frightened, cowardly, and dumb.

Just a thought.

394 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:27:36pm

re: #376 blueraven

It's politics Walter. They should stand up and defend The Constitution and stop being a bunch of fraidy cats.

They are politicians. They want to stay in office, so they run to get to the front of the mob. That is how most politicians deal with populist issues. The alternative is to be voted out of office.

395 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:28:16pm

re: #394 Dark_Falcon

Which makes Obama not dodging the issue all the cooler >>

396 Cato the Elder  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:28:47pm

re: #325 Dark_Falcon

Why do you say that, Cato?

If you don't speak out against fascism, you at best enable, at worst tacitly support it.

397 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:29:09pm

re: #393 Fozzie Bear

The funny thing about evil is, it isn't evil. It's just frightened, cowardly, and dumb.

Just a thought.

The problem is, it's also evil.

The evil that men do because they are scared and stupid is just as bloody and horrible as the evil that men do because they are BUAHAHAHA supervillains.

398 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:29:13pm

re: #382 Walter L. Newton

I agree with you, but that was not the issue I was addressing. The other night, I wondered if this whole mosque issue, right or wrong on the populist front, was going to benefit the GOP. Stanley Sea suggested I was spinning the issue and that she had already heard that take from the right. Well, I hadn't heard that take from anyone at the time, I was just thinking on my own.

I was surprised to find that the some on the left was spinning it the same exact way.

That's all I was pointing out.

I pretty much assume any sort of othering of minorities is core to the GOP's strategy, so my answer is yes, it'll benefit the GOP in some respect

The question is will it wind up being a minor benefit or are great swaths of the country just going to go apeshit for a while

399 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:29:37pm

re: #394 Dark_Falcon

They are politicians. They want to stay in office, so they run to get to the front of the mob. That is how most politicians deal with populist issues. The alternative is to be voted out of office.

That's too bad... isn't it? That's been my point over and over... it's not about us, it's not about the country, bottom line it's about their job, power and money. It's become a class, an elite, and if they could find some why to take the citizens out of the employment picture, they would.

400 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:29:39pm

re: #394 Dark_Falcon

They are politicians. They want to stay in office, so they run to get to the front of the mob. That is how most politicians deal with populist issues. The alternative is to be voted out of office.

and the reason I like Obama is he didn't do that. He took the honorable path.

401 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:29:59pm

re: #384 wozzablog

hi prairiefire :-)

how goes?

Hey, Wozza, nice to see you posting. Has it been a hot or a mild August in England?

402 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:30:21pm

You know it's funny. I was thinking of the insanity of people like Geller who harp on and on about how Obama wants to implement Sharia Law and shit. And then I realized that many these same people who actually believe that nonsense are the same ones who want to blur the line between church and state. Wouldn't Sharia be easier to implement with a society that has weaker church and state separation. Not that we have to worry about Sharia Law in this country anyhow but it's funny to me. The problem with Park51 is its opponents are letting their emotions get in way of freedoms. I understand emotions run high but we can't limit freedoms based on emotions. That is why I support speech no matter how morally repugnant it may be. I don't have to like it but I have to accept they have the right to be bigots. Just like these people have to accept that while they may not want a mosque there, it has a right to be there.

403 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:30:36pm

re: #389 Walter L. Newton

Hey cake brain... I agree with President Obama on this issue. What the fuck is your problem?

I'm guessing a medication problem.

404 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:30:37pm

re: #391 Dark_Falcon

Park 51 is very important, and so I follow it closely. Brett Farve I also keep an eye on, but I'm from Chicago so I have to do so. I wish we could just sign the man and be done with it. With him, the Bears could make the Superbowl.

He's just a quarterback, not a miracle worker ... ;)

405 palomino  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:30:44pm

re: #357 Walter L. Newton

And Spare O'Lake is not alone in this thinking. In regards to the mosque issue, he is now getting push back from his own party. From Politico... "And Democrats — at least some who were willing to comment — could barely contain their frustration over Obama’s remarks, saying he had potentially placed every one of their candidates into the middle of the debate by giving GOP candidates a chance to ask them point-blank: Do you agree with Obama on the mosque, or not?"

Yeah, gutless scared Dems and demagogue Republicans. What else is new?

406 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:31:11pm

re: #405 palomino

Yeah, gutless scared Dems and demagogue Republicans. What else is new?

America! Fuck yeah!!

407 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:32:24pm

Dinner tonight:

chicken soup
marinated grilled wings
Israeli couscous
tossed salad w/home grown tomatoes
Pie!

408 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:32:29pm

re: #406 WindUpBird

America! Fuck yeah!!

Image: 633840507070156480-AMERICA.jpg

409 Spare O'Lake  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:32:41pm

Hey folks, please don't go over the deep end. The sun will come up tomorrow.
Later.

410 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:32:59pm

re: #407 Alouette

Dinner tonight:

chicken soup
marinated grilled wings
Israeli couscous
tossed salad w/home grown tomatoes
Pie!

I am making:

Pesto chicken
Risotto in grilled pepper cups
Green salad

411 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:33:16pm

re: #409 Spare O'Lake

Hey folks, please don't go over the deep end. The sun will come up tomorrow.
Later.

Not if I blow up the sun!!!

412 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:33:22pm

re: #398 WindUpBird

I pretty much assume any sort of othering of minorities is core to the GOP's strategy, so my answer is yes, it'll benefit the GOP in some respect

The question is will it wind up being a minor benefit or are great swaths of the country just going to go apeshit for a while

Unfortunately, in my opinion, a major benefit. This will be the second time that there will be a populist belief that the President has not payed attention to the feelings of the citizens. First the health care reform and now this issue. Both are issues that had populist opinions steering the dialog, and both times the perception was the President didn't care.

Could cause major blowback in Nov.

413 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:33:52pm

re: #412 Walter L. Newton

Unfortunately, in my opinion, a major benefit. This will be the second time that there will be a populist belief that the President has not payed attention to the feelings of the citizens. First the health care reform and now this issue. Both are issues that had populist opinions steering the dialog, and both times the perception was the President didn't care.

Could cause major blowback in Nov.

How many voters do you think are really following/excited about this mosque thing? Serious question here.

414 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:34:04pm

So how long before Basement McFailure's comments are deleted? :D

415 blueraven  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:34:47pm

re: #393 Fozzie Bear

The funny thing about evil is, it isn't evil. It's just frightened, cowardly, and dumb.

Just a thought.

Often, its just hate veiled in fear.

416 Lidane  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:34:53pm

re: #304 wozzablog

You have no idea how little i want to have any opinion of a community centre in Manhattan. Unfortunately some asswipes are trying to kick up a shit storm about it.

Yeah, this.

Normally, I couldn't be bothered with a community center being built in Houston, much less in lower Manhattan. However, the assholes leading the charge against Park51 have done such a thorough job of inciting all the rubes, useful idiots, and anti-Muslim bigots by exploiting 9/11 that I can't help but have an opinion on all this shit.

417 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:35:28pm

re: #397 SanFranciscoZionist

The evil that men do because they are scared and stupid is just as bloody and horrible as the evil that men do because they are BUAHAHAHA supervillains.

In fact, in order to accomplish very much the latter are usually dependent on the former.

418 Fozzie Bear  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:35:37pm

re: #397 SanFranciscoZionist

The problem is, it's also evil.

The evil that men do because they are scared and stupid is just as bloody and horrible as the evil that men do because they are BUAHAHAHA supervillains.

I agree, but my point is that evil almost never sees itself as evil. It sees what it attacks as evil. The Nazis thought Jews were evil. Geller thinks Islam is evil. The people who blew up the towers thought America is evil.

It's really just a big circle of dumb, frightened cowards. To attribute them supervillain status is to not only give them too much credit, but also to misunderstand the nature of the whole thing.

I'm not saying I wouldn't put two in Hitler's brain if I were there at the time and had the opportunity, I am just saying that even he was just an idiot. Ascribing evil a unique characteristic is to underestimate the destructive power of stupidity and cowardice, in a sense.

Hence, I don't really believe in good or evil. I think some people have accepted that life entails a great deal of suffering, and an inevitable death, and others need to find somebody to blame for that. You can call the second group evil, I suppose, but really they are just retarded.

419 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:35:49pm

re: #409 Spare O'Lake

Hey folks, please don't go over the deep end. The sun will come up tomorrow.
Later.

I'm betting my bottom dollar...

420 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:35:53pm

re: #412 Walter L. Newton

Unfortunately, in my opinion, a major benefit. This will be the second time that there will be a populist belief that the President has not payed attention to the feelings of the citizens. First the health care reform and now this issue. Both are issues that had populist opinions steering the dialog, and both times the perception was the President didn't care.

Could cause major blowback in Nov.

Could be!

Basically two issues I care deeply about, and if they're what lose Dems the house, hey, it happens. The rising tide of anti-muslim hysteria is really something to behold, and I don't think it can be manipulated away from being a big issue in November

421 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:36:40pm

re: #401 prairiefire

Hey, Wozza, nice to see you posting. Has it been a hot or a mild August in England?

Warm today - with a nice breeze.

Summer was HAWT for london - well over 90F.

Last months been changable - chilly/wet/warm.

422 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:36:44pm

And in other news, Stalker "Macker" posted an astoundingly violent piece of hate on the Stalker Blog, depicting Charles in Hell being tortured by Saddam Hussein and his two monstrous sons. I don't understand that level of hate, I just don't. I've never hated someone that much.

423 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:36:57pm

When I use the "find" feature on my computer, LGF freezes up. So, I can't search, but gonna ask.

Anybody heard from Albusteve?

424 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:37:03pm

re: #383 palomino

There's still a bit of mystery as to why Islamophobia seems to have recently skyrocketed, to the point that it's as intense (maybe more so) as it was immediately post-9/11.

I think one factor is the constant drumbeat from the likes of Geller that Obama is in fact a Muslim intent on imposing foreign values.

GW, despite his faults, was a bulwark against letting this crew get any leverage nationally. These people were always there. Once he and Rove stepped off the stage, and Obama was elected, teh crazee found its voice and the gloves came off.

425 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:38:15pm

re: #422 Dark_Falcon

And in other news, Stalker "Macker" posted an astoundingly violent piece of hate on the Stalker Blog, depicting Charles in Hell being tortured by Saddam Hussein and his two monstrous sons. I don't understand that level of hate, I just don't. I've never hated someone that much.

it's not even hate at that point, it's just mental illness, just unstable people with no human contact who exist only on the internet

They're all watching this blog to get a rise out of you, you know that, right?

426 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:38:24pm

re: #392 WindUpBird

I think it's more primal than that, it's a president who's an "other" and here are more "others" and THEY HIT USS ON NINE ELEVEN!!11 then WE'RE DOOMED!

I've listened to a lot of dumb rednecks call in and argue about Islam because Phil hendrie's show trolls them into calling. They really can't articulate any facts about Islam at all, they just talk about Jesus and some incoherent gibberish about how this is a Christian nation and you can't let "them" win

"them" being brown people of course

That's just it though - there is a primal response, but it's pretty much entirely manufactured.

How many Americans would have even heard of Park51 without a media intent on creating an emotional issue out of it? Even if a few angry nutjob bloggers had made a stink, the President never would have had to come out and make a statement without the issue being created by an adversarial media intent on manufacturing controversy to pander to the idiotic fears of an audience desperate for anything to feed their prejudices that all Democrats/liberals/foreigners are evil. And now it is a political issue that has many people angry and many others, even on this blog, gleefully expecting that regardless of the justice or morality of the issue, at least the Democrats will look bad, because that's all that matters.

Good thing the media is so liberal.

427 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:38:57pm

I will bet good money that most of the people who believe the outrageous shit Geller and Spencer push about Muslims have met very few Muslims in their lives. It's just like the people who push bullshit lies about gays and lesbians. I've had Muslims as classmates for as long as I can remember and I still vividly recall one classmate, an Afghan Muslim who was eager to learn about how our government worked.

428 webevintage  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:39:11pm

Some fucking asshole above asked:
How does it feel to be ineffectual and irrelevant?

It is NEVER irrelevant to stand against views based on hate and fear.
It is NEVER irrelevant to stand up for our rights as spelled out in the Constitution.

429 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:40:01pm

re: #426 Renaissance_Man

That's just it though - there is a primal response, but it's pretty much entirely manufactured.

How many Americans would have even heard of Park51 without a media intent on creating an emotional issue out of it? Even if a few angry nutjob bloggers had made a stink, the President never would have had to come out and make a statement without the issue being created by an adversarial media intent on manufacturing controversy to pander to the idiotic fears of an audience desperate for anything to feed their prejudices that all Democrats/liberals/foreigners are evil. And now it is a political issue that has many people angry and many others, even on this blog, gleefully expecting that regardless of the justice or morality of the issue, at least the Democrats will look bad, because that's all that matters.

Good thing the media is so liberal.

I agree it's manufactured, there's the lobbyists manipulating it, and then there's the primal fear which is the engine of it.

I wonder if there's ever going to be a time when othering minorities and inciting hatred doesn't work on Republican voters.

430 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:40:16pm

re: #428 webevintage

Some fucking asshole above asked:
How does it feel to be ineffectual and irrelevant?

It is NEVER irrelevant to stand against views based on hate and fear.
It is NEVER irrelevant to stand up for our rights as spelled out in the Constitution.

The guy's a troll, don't bother

431 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:40:28pm

That stupid mouth-breather was probably Rodan, aka Rick Martinez. It was in Tampa.

432 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:40:29pm

re: #413 SanFranciscoZionist

How many voters do you think are really following/excited about this mosque thing? Serious question here.

Right now, I have no idea. I think your plain vanilla citizen doesn't even start really paying attention to the details of political issues until a few months before an election.

But you can be sure over the next few months, this issue will be front and center.

433 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:40:41pm

re: #423 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

When I use the "find" feature on my computer, LGF freezes up. So, I can't search, but gonna ask.

Anybody heard from Albusteve?

No, but at best I don't think he'll be home before next weekend. A leg amputation requires a week to ten day hospital stay on average.

434 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:41:30pm

re: #431 Charles

That stupid mouth-breather was probably Rodan, aka Rick Martinez. It was in Tampa.

Ah. The apologist for the Inquisition.

435 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:41:37pm

re: #422 Dark_Falcon

And in other news, Stalker "Macker" posted an astoundingly violent piece of hate on the Stalker Blog, depicting Charles in Hell being tortured by Saddam Hussein and his two monstrous sons. I don't understand that level of hate, I just don't. I've never hated someone that much.

They are fueled by hate and anger, it's what turns their crank. You have to remember that we are talking about a bunch of stalker/trolls, not your average conservative, these characters are the sick fringe.

436 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:41:41pm

re: #420 WindUpBird

Could be!

Basically two issues I care deeply about, and if they're what lose Dems the house, hey, it happens. The rising tide of anti-muslim hysteria is really something to behold, and I don't think it can be manipulated away from being a big issue in November

And populist issue can control the debate. Look at McCarthy (sp?) in the late 50's.

437 RadicalModerate  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:41:50pm

re: #431 Charles

Any bets on how long it takes someone on the stalker site to brag about it?

438 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:42:03pm

re: #432 Walter L. Newton

Right now, I have no idea. I think your plain vanilla citizen doesn't even start really paying attention to the details of political issues until a few months before an election.

But you can be sure over the next few months, this issue will be front and center.

That's sad, if so. If there was ever a non-issue, on a national scale, this it.

439 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:42:16pm

re: #433 goddamnedfrank

No, but at best I don't think he'll be home before next weekend. A leg amputation requires a week to ten day hospital stay on average.

My Father in law had open heart, double bypass surgery on Wednesday. They're sending him home tomorrow.

Holy crap!

440 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:42:29pm

re: #422 Dark_Falcon

And in other news, Stalker "Macker" posted an astoundingly violent piece of hate on the Stalker Blog, depicting Charles in Hell being tortured by Saddam Hussein and his two monstrous sons. I don't understand that level of hate, I just don't. I've never hated someone that much.

Must be sad and lonely world for them to have that much hatred towards someone for simply having a different opinion.

441 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:43:02pm

re: #433 goddamnedfrank

No, but at best I don't think he'll be home before next weekend. A leg amputation requires a week to ten day hospital stay on average.

Thinking and praying. I miss having him around here, grumping at everyone.

442 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:43:17pm

re: #411 Varek Raith

Not if I blow up the sun!!!

from 2:53 for about 25seconds............

443 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:43:24pm

re: #423 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

When I use the "find" feature on my computer, LGF freezes up. So, I can't search, but gonna ask.

Anybody heard from Albusteve?

Came here to check the same thing. Maybe someone could setup a 'status' page here on LGF we could subscribe to or something? Hate to just keep asking midthread but I'd like to hear when we know something.

444 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:43:36pm

re: #434 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah. The apologist for the Inquisition.

Did he invoke Christian Purity and the infallibility of the RCC?

445 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:43:38pm

re: #435 Reginald Perrin

They are fueled by hate and anger, it's what turns their crank. You have to remember that we are talking about a bunch of stalker/trolls, not your average conservative, these characters are the sick fringe.

That's good. If these guys were the average conservative, I would be VERY, VERY nervous.

446 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:43:56pm

Folks: please don't quote troll posts. It makes it kind of difficult to delete them, if they're quoted a dozen times by other people. If you want to say something to a troll, please use the 'Reply' button instead, which does not include a quote from the comment.

447 Lidane  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:43:58pm

re: #422 Dark_Falcon

I don't understand that level of hate, I just don't. I've never hated someone that much.

I wouldn't want to understand it. That kind of irrational hate requires some sort of mental disorder or anger management problem.

448 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:43:59pm

re: #424 austin_blue

GW, despite his faults, was a bulwark against letting this crew get any leverage nationally. These people were always there. Once he and Rove stepped off the stage, and Obama was elected, teh crazee found its voice and the gloves came off.

Which is why i no longer have BDS. If he was dealing with bullshit all day every day from the tier below - he did bloomin well.

449 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:44:01pm

The fan club once again, lol

We hate CJ so much that we'll talk about him ceaselessly and dissect everything his posters say and devote great amounts of energy to him each day, every day, for years, he's so totally irrelevant that all we ever do is try and sneak onto his blog even if for a moment

Which I guess is standard angry ex behavior, all sending angry drunk text messages in the middle of the night

450 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:44:06pm

re: #437 RadicalModerate

Any bets on how long it takes someone on the stalker site to brag about it?

"I went over and told LGF they were losers, and they told me to drop dead!"

Such a triumph.

451 darthstar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:44:09pm
452 Summer Seale  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:44:09pm

Totally OT but, hi everyone! I'm still in Israel for a few more days. Here are some pics so far. I'm going to bed because I'm driving to the desert tomorrow. Miss you all, my iPad rocks, Israel is awesome, and I'll be back in the near future. =)

[Link: picasaweb.google.com...]

453 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:44:21pm

re: #438 SanFranciscoZionist

That's sad, if so. If there was ever a non-issue, on a national scale, this it.

Yes, sad, but the GOP is going to be putting together a menu of issues that appeal to certain conservatives... and independents.

454 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:44:27pm

re: #436 Walter L. Newton

And populist issue can control the debate. Look at McCarthy (sp?) in the late 50's.

yup!

I'll just be here in Portland where it's safe o_o

455 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:44:57pm

re: #431 Charles

That stupid mouth-breather was probably Rodan, aka Rick Martinez. It was in Tampa.

D&D Crossover

The Lizard King's attack with the Greater Ban Hammer connects. The blow hurls Dorkus back to his Fever Swamp and inflicts 20 pain points directly to Dorkus's butt.

/D&D Crossover

456 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:44:58pm

re: #422 Dark_Falcon

'Macker' has tried to register at least 5 accounts at LGF.

457 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:45:17pm

re: #439 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

My Father in law had open heart, double bypass surgery on Wednesday. They're sending him home tomorrow.

Holy crap!

A speedy and complete recovery to him.

458 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:45:34pm

re: #433 goddamnedfrank

No, but at best I don't think he'll be home before next weekend. A leg amputation requires a week to ten day hospital stay on average.

Thanks, Frank. I miss the curmudgeon. I'll keep him in my thoughts and rely on the skill of his MDs and RNs.

459 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:46:14pm

re: #431 Charles

That stupid mouth-breather was probably Rodan, aka Rick Martinez. It was in Tampa.

I'm far from surprised.

460 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:46:23pm

re: #440 HappyWarrior

Hell, the only reason why I'm still here is that I can read something someone says that I disagree with without having a complete and total meltdown...

What in the fuck are these people like in real life?

Yesterday, I made a jokedie jokie comment to a customer about the only thing you can grow in a flower garden that is safe from deer is tobacco.

She absolutely went nuts! Shouting (I'm not kidding) "I DON'T BELIEVE IN USING TOBACCO!"

I think they're like that.

And they wonder why they're lonely.

461 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:46:30pm

re: #433 goddamnedfrank

No, but at best I don't think he'll be home before next weekend. A leg amputation requires a week to ten day hospital stay on average.

I've posted this info a few days ago, I have all the contact info for Steve, and I have a deal with him not to bother him for a week, and he will try to get back to me ASAP. If I don't hear from him by next Friday, I will be hunting him down.

462 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:46:35pm

re: #456 Charles

'Macker' has tried to register at least 5 accounts at LGF.

Its amazing how much effort they spend!

463 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:47:58pm

re: #446 Charles

Let's use LGF search and find out how many times those instructions have been given over the past five years...

464 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:48:03pm

re: #460 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hell, the only reason why I'm still here is that I can read something someone says that I disagree with without having a complete and total meltdown...

What in the fuck are these people like in real life?

Yesterday, I made a jokedie jokie comment to a customer about the only thing you can grow in a flower garden that is safe from deer is tobacco.

She absolutely went nuts! Shouting (I'm not kidding) "I DON'T BELIEVE IN USING TOBACCO!"

I think they're like that.

And they wonder why they're lonely.

FBV - LOL.
I'm with ya.

465 RadicalModerate  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:48:11pm

I'll give the stalkers this, they are, if nothing else, persistent.

Rodan's already quoted and denied Charles' post from less than five minutes ago.

466 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:48:24pm

re: #461 Walter L. Newton

Thanks.

467 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:48:41pm

re: #465 RadicalModerate

I'll give the stalkers this, they are, if nothing else, persistent.

Rodan's already quoted and denied Charles' post from less than five minutes ago.

Fan club

468 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:48:43pm

re: #444 austin_blue

Did he invoke Christian Purity and the infallibility of the RCC?

No, he just mentioned in passing that because Christian Spain was 'not too tolerant of Jews' was no reason not to revile all Muslims forever for the occupation and near-genocide of al-Andalus. Then he called Jews who sided with the Muslims 'Islamic collaborators'.

'Not too tolerant' may be one of the finest understatements in the history of twisting history. In the seventeenth century they were still burning relapsos at the stake at court events.

469 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:49:23pm

re: #461 Walter L. Newton

I've posted this info a few days ago, I have all the contact info for Steve, and I have a deal with him not to bother him for a week, and he will try to get back to me ASAP. If I don't hear from him by next Friday, I will be hunting him down.

Good man.

470 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:49:46pm

re: #453 Walter L. Newton

Yes, sad, but the GOP is going to be putting together a menu of issues that appeal to certain conservatives... and independents.

We'll see about the independents. That's gonna be the core issue here.

471 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:49:59pm

re: #434 SanFranciscoZionist

Ah. The apologist for the Inquisition.

Ohh he also recently called for Israel to use nerve gas to kill all Shiite Muslims.

He is also a big fan of Pinochet and the Serbian genocide.

Rodent is just insane with hatred and he has a victim complex a mile wide. He is always going on about his precious Latin blood and likes to call everyone a nazi. In the end, he is simply a drunken fool who disgraces actual Hispanics terribly.

He is actually slightly less vile than the woman abusing savage.

472 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:50:19pm

re: #431 Charles

That stupid mouth-breather was probably Rodan, aka Rick Martinez. It was in Tampa.

Poor old Trajan, he can't give up trolling.
He gets a E for effort, I admire his perseverance in the quest to eventually not suck badly at being a troll.

He has a long way to go and may have to put down the bottle first, every time he gets drunk and trolls, it ends badly.

I demand that Troll Central gives all their trolls breathalyzer tests, so they can't troll drunk.
///

473 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:50:23pm

re: #460 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hell, the only reason why I'm still here is that I can read something someone says that I disagree with without having a complete and total meltdown...

What in the fuck are these people like in real life?

Yesterday, I made a jokedie jokie comment to a customer about the only thing you can grow in a flower garden that is safe from deer is tobacco.

She absolutely went nuts! Shouting (I'm not kidding) "I DON'T BELIEVE IN USING TOBACCO!"

I think they're like that.

And they wonder why they're lonely.

Well, you don't have to use it, do you, to grow it? Doesn't it have nice flowers?

474 Fozzie Bear  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:50:39pm

re: #448 wozzablog

Which is why i no longer have BDS. If he was dealing with bullshit all day every day from the tier below - he did bloomin well.

Yep. I gain a little sympathy for Bush every day I see what Obama is dealing with, and what Clinton dealt with. I disagreed so fervently with Bush I sometimes mistook him for someone with ill intent. He didn't have any such malice in him. He was just doing what he thought was right, and what I thought was a horrible mistake. That's the crux of my point about the nature of evil up above. Evil doesn't exist in the world in reality. It is perceptual. It's our reaction to things we detest. And yet, at the same time, there are people so lost and deluded and dangerous in this world, there is no rational action other than to put them down, i.e. to treat them as if they are evil.

That past 48 hours or so have really made me think hard about morality, its illusory nature, and yet how tangibly real it is at the same time. Paradoxically, I don't believe there are such things as good or evil, and yet, I know each when I see it.

The presidency has got to be the hardest job ever.

475 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:50:46pm

re: #462 WindUpBird

Its amazing how much effort they spend!

Given that we are irrelevent, and history is leaving us behind, yes.

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476 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:51:06pm

re: #468 SanFranciscoZionist

No, he just mentioned in passing that because Christian Spain was 'not too tolerant of Jews' was no reason not to revile all Muslims forever for the occupation and near-genocide of al-Andalus. Then he called Jews who sided with the Muslims 'Islamic collaborators'.

'Not too tolerant' may be one of the finest understatements in the history of twisting history. In the seventeenth century they were still burning relapsos at the stake at court events.

I know. It was a bloody, bigoted, barbaric age.

"We shall kill them, Lord, in Thy mercy."

477 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:51:26pm

re: #472 Reginald Perrin

huh, whys he called Trajan

478 HappyWarrior  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:51:39pm

re: #460 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hell, the only reason why I'm still here is that I can read something someone says that I disagree with without having a complete and total meltdown...

What in the fuck are these people like in real life?

Yesterday, I made a jokedie jokie comment to a customer about the only thing you can grow in a flower garden that is safe from deer is tobacco.

She absolutely went nuts! Shouting (I'm not kidding) "I DON'T BELIEVE IN USING TOBACCO!"

I think they're like that.

And they wonder why they're lonely.


I know. I always figure if I can't agree with someone politically or religiously, I just find other common interests. It was funny. I was a raging liberal in high school yet I had many close friends who were more conservative than me by miles.

479 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:52:12pm

re: #477 WindUpBird

huh, whys he called Trajan

because screename DIPSHIT was already taken!!

480 swamprat  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:52:38pm

re: #422 Dark_Falcon

And in other news, Stalker "Macker" posted an astoundingly violent piece of hate on the Stalker Blog, depicting Charles in Hell being tortured by Saddam Hussein and his two monstrous sons. I don't understand that level of hate, I just don't. I've never hated someone that much.

I fear he is quite insane. That post is amazing, even for them.

481 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:53:28pm

re: #473 SanFranciscoZionist

Exactly!

482 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:54:10pm

re: #479 sattv4u2

because screename DIPSHIT was already taken!!

haha I can't keep all the names straight XD

483 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:54:13pm

re: #433 goddamnedfrank

No, but at best I don't think he'll be home before next weekend. A leg amputation requires a week to ten day hospital stay on average.

re: #443 McSpiff

Came here to check the same thing. Maybe someone could setup a 'status' page here on LGF we could subscribe to or something? Hate to just keep asking midthread but I'd like to hear when we know something.

OK, here it is, the Albusteve update page.

I'll let Walter know it exists, and if he posts the update there, anyone who has "subscribed" will get a notice automatically.

484 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:54:35pm

re: #429 WindUpBird

I agree it's manufactured, there's the lobbyists manipulating it, and then there's the primal fear which is the engine of it.

I wonder if there's ever going to be a time when othering minorities and inciting hatred doesn't work on Republican voters.

When there's another party that their demagogues tell them represents them better.

Some of these people are just ordinary lifelong Republicans. Some are conspiracy theorists, racists, and other assorted pond scum. For whatever reasons, both have been fed a constant drumbeat of hatred for liberals and Democrats for years and years. Now it's just second nature - wake up, get breakfast, hate liberals, go to work, hate liberals some more. It may not always be a burning, raging hatred, usually just a cordial sort of loathing and a deep knowledge that those guys are why everything in this country is bad, but it's always there. And in the two-party system of the US, they don't have any other options. They know, deep down, that the Democrats are always bad because they've been told that, so if they vote at all, they vote Republican. It doesn't necessarily have anything to do with the Republican party as a whole, or as a set of values. It's just programming.

There are many disaffected Republicans who don't want anything to do with the current hijacking of their once-great party, and who are standing aside and courageously stating that the party no longer represents them. There are others who are disguising their tribalism by mouthing something about hating 'all politicians' and 'the feds', and 'both sides' or somesuch. Some are genuine anarchists, while some can barely contain their glee when a Democrat takes a fall or has difficulties. Again, it's just programming and decades of tribalism, which their media has both fed and exploited.

I was having this discussion with a friend last night, who was slamming Obama for being a weak and ineffectual leader, unable to get anything done with such a large majority. And while I agreed, I also said, 'mate, you have to understand that in US politics, things are a little different. There's a left and a right side of politics too, but they're both in one party here. And then there's about 30-40% of the government that isn't in the hands of a political party at all.'

485 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:55:26pm

re: #445 SanFranciscoZionist

That's good. If these guys were the average conservative, I would be VERY, VERY nervous.

True, if these guys were the average conservative, I would start a campaign to build a wall along the Canada /United States border.

486 allegro  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:55:32pm

re: #474 Fozzie Bear

Paradoxically, I don't believe there are such things as good or evil, and yet, I know each when I see it.

How d'you 'splain Dick Cheney? I see nothing stupid or scared about him yet...

487 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:55:56pm

re: #474 Fozzie Bear

Yep. I gain a little sympathy for Bush every day I see what Obama is dealing with, and what Clinton dealt with. I disagreed so fervently with Bush I sometimes mistook him for someone with ill intent. He didn't have any such malice in him. He was just doing what he thought was right, and what I thought was a horrible mistake. That's the crux of my point about the nature of evil up above. Evil doesn't exist in the world in reality. It is perceptual. It's our reaction to things we detest. And yet, at the same time, there are people so lost and deluded and dangerous in this world, there is no rational action other than to put them down, i.e. to treat them as if they are evil.

That past 48 hours or so have really made me think hard about morality, its illusory nature, and yet how tangibly real it is at the same time. Paradoxically, I don't believe there are such things as good or evil, and yet, I know each when I see it.

The presidency has got to be the hardest job ever.

The Presidency is a tough job; no one is ever entirely happy with what's going on.

There is so much that happens in government that we never see. We really have to have a little bit of trust that our officials are doing the very best they can. Whether they're "our" party or not.

488 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:56:18pm

Hello all been away a couple days. No net no cell. How is everyone?

Just for a break from deeply disappointing politics, I posted a photograph of a Pleiades meteor Friday night. We were on the way for a half day hike, and went out for some night shots. Set up this "stars and mountain ridge" shot and got really lucky in a 30 second exposure.

489 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:56:23pm

102 F in Dallas. Rangers up 7-3 on the Bosox bottom of the 8th.

I heart global warming.

490 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:56:28pm

I know it's a slow news day but this was worthy of a link from Instapundit.....


[Link: www.flickr.com...]

It's supposed to be symbolic, right? The President, having reached the top of a staircase, encounters a closed door. Seemingly unaware that the door is unbolted, the President stands frozen, statue-like, gazing at a black-and-white photograph of a panel discussion. What does it mean? It looks like a scene in a video game, doesn't it? What will happen if he opens the door?

IN THE COMMENTS: Doug urges us to read the caption, as if the caption answers an interesting question.

President Barack Obama waits to be introduced at a critical infrastructure CEOs meeting on cyber security in the South Court Auditorium of the Eisenhower Executive Office Building, July 14, 2010.

But to me the interesting question — and I had read the caption when I wrote this post — isn't: What was actually going on when this picture was taken? It's: Why did the White House choose this picture, from the 1000s of pictures taken? There is a message — an image — that this picture was thought to convey. What was that message? Does this picture actual convey that?
Posted by Ann Althouse at 9:23 AM

This is why wingnut blogs just don't have much interest to me anymore. They are just imagining secret messages in mundane events.

491 abolitionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:57:23pm

re: #452 Summer

Beautiful pics.

492 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:57:33pm

re: #468 SanFranciscoZionist

No, he just mentioned in passing that because Christian Spain was 'not too tolerant of Jews' was no reason not to revile all Muslims forever for the occupation and near-genocide of al-Andalus. Then he called Jews who sided with the Muslims 'Islamic collaborators'.

'Not too tolerant' may be one of the finest understatements in the history of twisting history. In the seventeenth century they were still burning relapsos at the stake at court events.

Oh no He has done more than that. He has said that the Jews were collaborating with the Muslims and deserved it. He's a perfect piece of shit.

493 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:58:11pm

re: #483 reine.de.tout

Brilliant use of the feature.

494 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:59:02pm

re: #483 reine.de.tout

Way more proactive than me, thanks ;-) I really need to look at how to use the Pages feature... thanks reine!

495 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:59:35pm

re: #456 Charles

'Macker' has tried to register at least 5 accounts at LGF.

What's the deal there?

Macker also just sent me an email questioning the contents of the cookbook (whose recipes were used, etc). I will note here that everything submitted was submitted of people's free will, and that I received a couple of requests from folks to NOT use what the submitted, and I honored those requests.

Will also note here that the cookbook is a voluntary collaborative effort by LGF readers, and is in no way shape or form an official product of LGF the blog, or Charles Johnson.

496 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:59:40pm

re: #483 reine.de.tout

re: #443 McSpiff

OK, here it is, the Albusteve update page.

I'll let Walter know it exists, and if he posts the update there, anyone who has "subscribed" will get a notice automatically.

Thanks. Subscribed.

497 McSpiff  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 2:59:55pm

Is there anyway to see a list of all threads you're subscribed to?

498 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:00:43pm

re: #492 LudwigVanQuixote

Oh no He has done more than that. He has said that the Jews were collaborating with the Muslims and deserved it. He's a perfect piece of shit.

Wheeeee!

499 swamprat  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:00:45pm

I dislike the democrats. I have not forgotten how they have behaved in the past. I dislike the republicans; I will not forget how they are acting now. I understand why Charlie Crist bailed from both parties.
Right now, I would vote for a dead rat, if he distanced himself from the former and current stupidities, and had a rational plan for the future.

500 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:00:57pm

re: #462 WindUpBird

Its amazing how much effort they spend!

And that is why it is worth noticing them. They go all nuts. We delete their droppings. Everyone else gets an instructive look at how far the right wing has slipped into utter madness and become a cesspit of hate spewing, classless, cultureless, uneducated, worthless trash.

Some of the very forgiving, or very left leaning folks here should have a clearer picture of how repulsive the right really is. These are not ones to reason with.

501 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:02:08pm

re: #499 swamprat

I dislike the democrats. I have not forgotten how they have behaved in the past. I dislike the republicans; I will not forget how they are acting now. I understand why Charlie Crist bailed from both parties.
Right now, I would vote for a dead rat, if he distanced himself from the former and current stupidities, and had a rational plan for the future.

"Is the the Democratic National Convention?"

"No. Meadow Party."

"Oh yeah? Who do you guys have to go up against Reagan in the fall?"

"A dead cat."

(Guy in Dukakis hat shrugs and walks into the Meadow Party hall.)

502 webevintage  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:02:19pm

re: #490 Killgore Trout

I know it's a slow news day but this was worthy of a link from Instapundit...

[Link: www.flickr.com...]


This is why wingnut blogs just don't have much interest to me anymore. They are just imagining secret messages in mundane events.

hahahahahaha
what super sekrit messages is the White House sending when they choose photos? Does the lunch menu tell Anne anything? What does it mean if Bo raises his right paw instead of his left?

503 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:02:43pm

re: #495 reine.de.tout

What's the deal there?

Macker also just sent me an email questioning the contents of the cookbook (whose recipes were used, etc). I will note here that everything submitted was submitted of people's free will, and that I received a couple of requests from folks to NOT use what the submitted, and I honored those requests.

Will also note here that the cookbook is a voluntary collaborative effort by LGF readers, and is in no way shape or form an official product of LGF the blog, or Charles Johnson.

You should ignore anything that comes from those people. They're evil and malicious and will use everything possible against you -- I expect they're trying to set up some kind of complaint to the publisher.

504 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:02:48pm

re: #449 WindUpBird

I've given up on the fanclub thing, both sides love it too much >>

505 windsagio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:03:21pm

re: #501 SanFranciscoZionist

MONDALE DAMMIT!

/Newspaper comic geek >>

506 blueraven  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:03:45pm

re: #474 Fozzie Bear

I agree with your basic points and have had similar thoughts about my feelings about GW Bush. I "think" I was fair and didn't think he was evil. Just wrong for going into Iraq (in my opinion). But I never felt a steaming hatred for him. I am sure there were times though, when I piled on.

As bad as it was for Bush and Clinton, I don't think I have ever seen the level of vitriol that is directed at Obama.

507 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:03:46pm

re: #485 Reginald Perrin

re: #445 SanFranciscoZionist

That's good. If these guys were the average conservative, I would be VERY, VERY nervous.

But I have to disagree. One look at any of the right wing sites or the comments over at Fox, and it is pretty obvious how these cretins are exactly representative of a large swath of the tea-bags.

Whatever average conservative means, the mean has moved so far to the right and so far into the realm of paranoid delusion, that it left the region of "conservative" a very long time ago.

508 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:04:25pm

re: #505 windsagio

MONDALE DAMMIT!

/Newspaper comic geek >>

Blast. Sorry.

509 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:05:11pm

re: #503 Charles

You should ignore anything that comes from those people. They're evil and malicious and will use everything possible against you -- I expect they're trying to set up some kind of complaint to the publisher.

As you know, I've gotten a number of exploratory emails form them, most recently Bunkx, which I posted here, a full email chain of hypocritical bunk from Bunkx.

I don't get those email anymore.

510 RadicalModerate  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:05:46pm

re: #501 SanFranciscoZionist

"Is the the Democratic National Convention?"

"No. Meadow Party."

"Oh yeah? Who do you guys have to go up against Reagan in the fall?"

"A dead cat."

(Guy in Dukakis hat shrugs and walks into the Meadow Party hall.)

Heh.

I still have my Election '84 "This Time- Why not the Worst?" Bill & Opus campaign T-shirt. A few holes, but still in pretty good shape.

511 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:05:48pm

re: #502 webevintage

I kinda explains why they're so susceptable to conspiracy theories. I can't imagine why they think there's some sort of secret message being sent to them in that very dull picture. Time to use heavy gauge tinfoil for their hats.

512 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:05:55pm

re: #503 Charles

You should ignore anything that comes from those people. They're evil and malicious and will use everything possible against you -- I expect they're trying to set up some kind of complaint to the publisher.

I suspected so, too.

they knew it was coming, they should have notified me if they didn't want something included.

It's all identified only by nic, anyway LOL.
And there's nothing secret or mysterious about the way food is prepared.

513 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:06:08pm

okies. g;night all.

may bbl though. neck is screwing up my sleep patterns.

514 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:07:00pm

re: #506 blueraven

I agree with your basic points and have had similar thoughts about my feelings about GW Bush. I "think" I was fair and didn't think he was evil. Just wrong for going into Iraq (in my opinion). But I never felt a steaming hatred for him. I am sure there were times though, when I piled on.

As bad as it was for Bush and Clinton, I don't think I have ever seen the level of vitriol that is directed at Obama.

I'm sure I said at some point that Bush was stupid. And I'm sure I nitpicked about him. And I can only assume that it's OK for people to do the same to Obama or any other Democrat in office.

What I didn't do, and what normal people don't do now:

I didn't examine everyone he ever talked to for evil tendencies.
I didn't insult his wife.
I didn't insult his kids.
I didn't insult his mother.
I didn't think he was actually going to try to stay in office past his term limit.
I didn't try to find proof he was collaborating with America's enemies.

515 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:08:03pm

re: #514 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm sure I said at some point that Bush was stupid. And I'm sure I nitpicked about him. And I can only assume that it's OK for people to do the same to Obama or any other Democrat in office.

What I didn't do, and what normal people don't do now:

I didn't examine everyone he ever talked to for evil tendencies.
I didn't insult his wife.
I didn't insult his kids.
I didn't insult his mother.
I didn't think he was actually going to try to stay in office past his term limit.
I didn't try to find proof he was collaborating with America's enemies.

You weren't trying very hard, were you?

516 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:08:11pm

re: #490 Killgore Trout

I know it's a slow news day but this was worthy of a link from Instapundit...

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

But to me the interesting question — and I had read the caption when I wrote this post — isn't: What was actually going on when this picture was taken? It's: Why did the White House choose this picture, from the 1000s of pictures taken? There is a message — an image — that this picture was thought to convey. What was that message? Does this picture actual convey that?
Posted by Ann Althouse at 9:23 AM

This is why wingnut blogs just don't have much interest to me anymore. They are just imagining secret messages in mundane events.


Idiots. But thanks for the link to the flickr feed. Nice photos all.

517 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:08:16pm

re: #277 Amory Blaine

Tedious summations of material weights, then calculating reactions, moment and shear come next.

518 Killgore Trout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:08:30pm

re: #512 reine.de.tout

I suspected so, too.

they knew it was coming, they should have notified me if they didn't want something included.

It's all identified only by nic, anyway LOL.
And there's nothing secret or mysterious about the way food is prepared.

It's another reason to buy a cookbook. It enrages the stalkers!

519 MisterCookie  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:08:37pm

re: #3 Charles

I'm going to revoke that award. Publicly.

:( Sadface :'( Is no one sane left on the right?

520 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:09:04pm

LOL.

I don't know what it is my daughter just finished watching, but she just posted this on her FB page:

I've unfortunately suffered through this incoherent, inept, testosterone-drenched mess, which is very much the brain-dead male equivalent of "Sex and the City 2."

Perfect review of the expendables.

Oh, wait, yes I know - it's "The Expendables", we saw it yesterday. Very disappointed in that movie.

521 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:09:07pm

re: #474 Fozzie Bear

The clean air act of 2005, which was largely Cheney's work, was pure unmitigated evil.

Knowingly lying about weapons of mass destruction and an atomic program that did not exist was unmitigated evil.

While I see your point and I sympathize with what you are saying, I do not subscribe to your relativism.

There is such a thing as good and evil, whether or not we always call it properly.

522 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:09:19pm

re: #515 Walter L. Newton

You weren't trying very hard, were you?

Not really. I even defended him on the Internet twice.

Once about "My Pet Goat", and other about brush-cutting.

Go figure.

523 Mich-again  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:09:23pm

Pam is an attention whore. She has to keep going further and further out there to get the attention she needs.

524 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:09:47pm

re: #514 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm sure I said at some point that Bush was stupid. And I'm sure I nitpicked about him. And I can only assume that it's OK for people to do the same to Obama or any other Democrat in office.

What I didn't do, and what normal people don't do now:

I didn't examine everyone he ever talked to for evil tendencies.
I didn't insult his wife.
I didn't insult his kids.
I didn't insult his mother.
I didn't think he was actually going to try to stay in office past his term limit.
I didn't try to find proof he was collaborating with America's enemies.

I just . . . need . . . to repost this, it's just perfect.

525 Ojoe  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:10:20pm

BBL again or I won't get this shit done.

526 swamprat  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:10:37pm

re: #517 Ojoe

Tedious summations of material weights, then calculating reactions, moment and shear come next.

Famous last words; the bridge will hold, the stresses have been calculated.

527 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:10:40pm

re: #477 WindUpBird

ingThat was Martinez's knickname, proir to change it because his stalking of Keith Olbermann and trolling of Think Progress ended up being humiliating defeats on an epic scale.

I am proud to say that I played a small part in bringing about Martinez's humiliation and eventual meltdown. There were other bloggers who share equal or greater credit. One particular commenter earned himself a personal stalker blog, courtesy of the Tampa Twit.

Unfortunately Troll Central did some housecleaning and three of Martinez's stalker blogs are no longer available online.

Yes they were that bad, Martinez got his ass kicked on a regular basis but he was too stupid to realize he was being tricked into making violent threats and racist statements.

528 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:10:50pm

re: #518 Killgore Trout

It's another reason to buy a cookbook. It enrages the stalkers!

Exactamundo!

Available here!

529 webevintage  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:10:50pm

re: #516 Stanley Sea

Idiots. But thanks for the link to the flickr feed. Nice photos all.

There is a great picture of the President and his daughter in Panama City on the feed....

530 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:11:00pm

re: #525 Ojoe

BBL again or I won't get this shit done.

Just wing it!
I'm sure it'll be fine!
////

531 palomino  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:12:16pm

re: #424 austin_blue

GW, despite his faults, was a bulwark against letting this crew get any leverage nationally. These people were always there. Once he and Rove stepped off the stage, and Obama was elected, teh crazee found its voice and the gloves came off.

Agreed: Bush's response in this respect was spot on, and set the right tone. But for populists and bigots, it's one thing to hear "We are not at war with Islam" from a real American; quite another to hear that from a person you erroneously believe to be a Kenyan Muslim.

532 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:13:13pm

WALTER L NEWTON:

Did you get my e-mail about the Albusteve Update page that people can subscribe to?

Post any updates there if you get them, and those who are subscribed will get a notice automatically and not have to search through threads for information.

534 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:14:01pm

re: #532 reine.de.tout

WALTER L NEWTON:

Did you get my e-mail about the Albusteve Update page that people can subscribe to?

Post any updates there if you get them, and those who are subscribed will get a notice automatically and not have to search through threads for information.

I sent you a reply 10 minutes ago.

535 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:14:20pm

re: #526 swamprat

Famous last words; the bridge will hold, the stresses have been calculated.

The plans for the main library at UMass Amherst were bought from an architect who either did not design the building to be a library, or did not take the weight of the books into account. I can't remember.

The building is sinking.

It's fine, it goes down very evenly, and will eventually hit bedrock in a couple of hundred years if it's kept up that long, but it is burrowing down ever so slowly.

And there's a fence around it, because occasionally bricks pop out of the facade.

536 darthstar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:14:26pm

re: #520 reine.de.tout

LOL.

I don't know what it is my daughter just finished watching, but she just posted this on her FB page:

Oh, wait, yes I know - it's "The Expendables", we saw it yesterday. Very disappointed in that movie.

She sounds like a bright girl.

537 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:14:34pm

re: #532 reine.de.tout

WALTER L NEWTON:

Did you get my e-mail about the Albusteve Update page that people can subscribe to?

Post any updates there if you get them, and those who are subscribed will get a notice automatically and not have to search through threads for information.

Why are you yelling at Walter?
I know he (and I) are old, but we're not DEAF!!

//

538 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:15:24pm

re: #534 Walter L. Newton

I sent you a reply 10 minutes ago.

oops.
*hanging my head in shame*

539 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:15:30pm

re: #535 SanFranciscoZionist

The plans for the main library at UMass Amherst were bought from an architect who either did not design the building to be a library, or did not take the weight of the books into account. I can't remember.

The building is sinking.

It's fine, it goes down very evenly, and will eventually hit bedrock in a couple of hundred years if it's kept up that long, but it is burrowing down ever so slowly.

And there's a fence around it, because occasionally bricks pop out of the facade.

You're kidding!!

My wife (and my favorite cousin) are both graduates of there

540 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:15:57pm

re: #507 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #445 SanFranciscoZionist

But I have to disagree. One look at any of the right wing sites or the comments over at Fox, and it is pretty obvious how these cretins are exactly representative of a large swath of the tea-bags.

Whatever average conservative means, the mean has moved so far to the right and so far into the realm of paranoid delusion, that it left the region of "conservative" a very long time ago.

It's time for the real conservatives to become vocal and call out these frauds, the tea-baggers are certainly not mainstream concervatives.

541 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:16:25pm

re: #535 SanFranciscoZionist

The plans for the main library at UMass Amherst were bought from an architect who either did not design the building to be a library, or did not take the weight of the books into account. I can't remember.

The building is sinking.

It's fine, it goes down very evenly, and will eventually hit bedrock in a couple of hundred years if it's kept up that long, but it is burrowing down ever so slowly.

And there's a fence around it, because occasionally bricks pop out of the facade.

He didn't take into the account where the library was sited.

542 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:16:29pm

re: #514 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm sure I said at some point that Bush was stupid. And I'm sure I nitpicked about him. And I can only assume that it's OK for people to do the same to Obama or any other Democrat in office.

What I didn't do, and what normal people don't do now:

I didn't examine everyone he ever talked to for evil tendencies.
I didn't insult his wife.
I didn't insult his kids.
I didn't insult his mother.
I didn't think he was actually going to try to stay in office past his term limit.
I didn't try to find proof he was collaborating with America's enemies.

We didn't insult his skin color.

We didn't claim he was going to install death panels to kidnap grannies and euthanize them.

We nailed him on doing really bad things, like lying to start wars, dodging the FICA courts, raping the environment and giving handouts to corporate cronies, while being incompetent, arrogant and stupid to boot.

We nailed him for shouting 9-11 as the response to any criticism.
We nailed him for claiming to be ohh so patriotic, yet outing a secret agent.

We nailed him for torturing prisoners.

We nailed him for purposefully trying to subvert the American legal system.

We nailed him for taking more vacation than any other president in history by a wide margin. (We didn't really bitch about the cost though).

And yet, we never called Laura a wookie.

Or called him any number of racial slurs.

Or tried to say he was a communist or a socialist or any right wing equivalent of it. We just pointed out how he was a weak and silly man outmatched by being the president on his best day, and a nepotist who never thought the constitution should hinder his style on the worst.

543 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:18:13pm

re: #540 Reginald Perrin

It's time for the real conservatives to become vocal and call out these frauds, the tea-baggers are certainly not mainstream concervatives.

You are correct.
Sadly, our voices have been stifled because the nuts have taken over.

We'll make our voices heard during elections - they will be depending on us, but will be very very surprised, IMO.

544 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:18:29pm

re: #542 LudwigVanQuixote

We didn't insult his skin color.

We didn't claim he was going to install death panels to kidnap grannies and euthanize them.

We nailed him on doing really bad things, like lying to start wars, dodging the FICA courts, raping the environment and giving handouts to corporate cronies, while being incompetent, arrogant and stupid to boot.

We nailed him for shouting 9-11 as the response to any criticism.
We nailed him for claiming to be ohh so patriotic, yet outing a secret agent.

We nailed him for torturing prisoners.

We nailed him for purposefully trying to subvert the American legal system.

We nailed him for taking more vacation than any other president in history by a wide margin. (We didn't really bitch about the cost though).

And yet, we never called Laura a wookie.

Or called him any number of racial slurs.

Or tried to say he was a communist or a socialist or any right wing equivalent of it. We just pointed out how he was a weak and silly man outmatched by being the president on his best day, and a nepotist who never thought the constitution should hinder his style on the worst.

WE JUST CALLED HIM HITLER.

545 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:18:44pm

re: #544 Walter L. Newton

I'm sorry... it was too easy.

546 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:18:58pm

re: #535 SanFranciscoZionist
The building is sinking.re: #539 sattv4u2

You're kidding!!

My wife (and my favorite cousin) are both graduates of there


This is a popular urban legend common to many colleges, in addition to the rumor that the library is sinking into the ground by 1/4 to 1/2 inch per year (due to being built on swampy soil).

[Link: www.umasswiki.com...]

547 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:19:02pm

re: #536 darthstar

She sounds like a bright girl.

Of course,
She takes after her mom, after all.

548 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:19:52pm

re: #547 reine.de.tout

Of course,
She takes after her mom, after all.

heh ,, my son usually takes after me,,,, often with a bat!!

549 davesax  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:20:36pm

John Bolton.

I used to respect this guy for standing up to the U.N.'s one sided condemnations against Israel.

Now this.

550 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:20:45pm

re: #546 sattv4u2

The building is sinking.re: #539 sattv4u2


This is a popular urban legend common to many colleges, in addition to the rumor that the library is sinking into the ground by 1/4 to 1/2 inch per year (due to being built on swampy soil).

[Link: www.umasswiki.com...]

Dang. I always liked that story.

551 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:21:27pm

re: #549 davesax

John Bolton.

I used to respect this guy for standing up to the U.N.'s one sided condemnations against Israel.

Now this.

I'll never trust his judgement again.

552 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:23:06pm

re: #550 SanFranciscoZionist

Dang. I always liked that story.

1st I heard of it

Not saying you're wrong, but thats the 1st link I found

It IS from the UMASS page, so if it is true (the sinking) I doubt its something they want to crow about!

Wifey gets the Alumni mag and I thumb through it. Haven't seen anything about the library, but again,, the source

553 webevintage  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:23:06pm

re: #542 LudwigVanQuixote


And yet, we never called Laura a wookie.

Or a Klingon...I saw that the other day.

Of course if she is a ST fan she might take it as a compliment.
If I was her next Halloween I would get someone to make me into a hot Klingon babe for the WH Halloween party.

554 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:23:17pm

re: #543 reine.de.tout

Unfortunately there is the distinct possibility that your voice won't be heard if you don't speak before election day. The gains in the midterm election may fuel a greater shift to the right and more alienation of the sane true conservatives.

555 darthstar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:23:33pm

re: #549 davesax

John Bolton.

I used to respect this guy for standing up to the U.N.'s one sided condemnations against Israel.

Now this.

Bolton was picked to go to the UN precisely because he was a UN conspiracy theorist who felt the UN should be dissolved. How anyone would have respected him is beyond me.

556 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:24:13pm

re: #544 Walter L. Newton

I never did.

And the very few protesters who did are dwarfed 10o to one by the the teabags who say that and worse about Obama daily.

Your false equivalences fool no one but the stupid Walter. I really don't know why you still even try, especially since you have been nailed with those facts every other time you tried to make that stupid and silly argument.

You need new material old man. Your drooling is getting repetitive.

557 bratwurst  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:24:18pm

Been waiting for another opportunity to post this:

Image: BAR-B-Q.jpg

558 davesax  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:25:08pm

re: #551 Walter L. Newton

It's very disappointing.

Is what is happening here the same thing that has happened in Europe? The left masses standing with Iran and the right masses standing with far right fascists?

I'm confused, angry, and really not optimistic with where the world is going, now.

559 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:25:40pm

re: #542 LudwigVanQuixote

And yet, we never called Laura a wookie

no ,, just a murderer!

(and yes, I KNOW she was at the wheel at age 17 and had that accident. But what was stated about it was beyond the pale)

560 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:26:19pm

re: #552 sattv4u2

1st I heard of it

Not saying you're wrong, but thats the 1st link I found

It IS from the UMASS page, so if it is true (the sinking) I doubt its something they want to crow about!

Wifey gets the Alumni mag and I thumb through it. Haven't seen anything about the library, but again,, the source

Don't know if it is true or not, but it was a common topic of conversation when I lived there.

561 darthstar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:26:35pm

re: #554 Reginald Perrin

Unfortunately there is the distinct possibility that your voice won't be heard if you don't speak before election day. The gains in the midterm election may fuel a greater shift to the right and more alienation of the sane true conservatives.

That's assuming there are 'gains' in the midterm election. If America responds as I think she will (rejecting xenophobia, fear, and bigotry), then there's a good chance the balance will remain the same, except in the Senate, where there's now a small chance the Democrats can actually gain a seat or two.

Anyone who sees that as a mandate for more wing-nuttery is huffing spray paint (though that could explain Boehner's orange visage).

562 davesax  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:27:56pm

re: #555 darthstar

How anyone would have respected him is beyond me.

Oh.

563 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:28:13pm

re: #560 Jeff In Ohio

Don't know if it is true or not, but it was a common topic of conversation when I lived there.

On campus? What years? My wife went there in the early-mod 70's and my cousin in the 60's (sorry,, I have no idea when the library was built)

564 blueraven  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:28:53pm

re: #558 davesax

It's very disappointing.

Is what is happening here the same thing that has happened in Europe? The left masses standing with Iran and the right masses standing with far right fascists?

I'm confused, angry, and really not optimistic with where the world is going, now.

Who is standing with Iran?

565 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:29:03pm

re: #556 LudwigVanQuixote

I never did.

And the very few protesters who did are dwarfed 10o to one by the the teabags who say that and worse about Obama daily.

Your false equivalences fool no one but the stupid Walter. I really don't know why you still even try, especially since you have been nailed with those facts every other time you tried to make that stupid and silly argument.

You need new material old man. Your drooling is getting repetitive.

I really don't care LVQ, you're just a lot of fun to play with. Enjoy.

566 William Barnett-Lewis  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:29:05pm

re: #559 sattv4u2

And yet, we never called Laura a wookie

no ,, just a murderer!

(and yes, I KNOW she was at the wheel at age 17 and had that accident. But what was stated about it was beyond the pale)

I never heard of that accident till her book came out. I heard a whole lot of conspiracy stories about GWB but never anything about her.

567 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:29:05pm

re: #560 Jeff In Ohio

Of course i whored my way through a dozen college campuses before settling here, so it could have been Univ. of Rochester, East Carolina, Syracuse, etc, etc. where I heard that story and UMASS hit a neuron for some other reason.

568 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:29:13pm

re: #549 davesax

John Bolton.

I used to respect this guy for standing up to the U.N.'s one sided condemnations against Israel.

Now this.

It's sad. The man was straight as an arrow, and now he's with the Shrieking Harpy.

569 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:29:13pm

re: #564 blueraven

Who is standing with Iran?

Syria!

570 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:29:18pm

re: #563 sattv4u2

On campus? What years? My wife went there in the early-mod 70's and my cousin in the 60's (sorry,, I have no idea when the library was built)

I was there in the early 90s.

571 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:29:35pm

re: #566 wlewisiii

I never heard of that accident till her book came out. I heard a whole lot of conspiracy stories about GWB but never anything about her.

Was gonna say.

572 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:29:41pm

re: #570 SanFranciscoZionist

I was there in the early 90s.

damn ,, my wife is old!!!

573 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:29:58pm

re: #549 davesax

John Bolton.

I used to respect this guy for standing up to the U.N.'s one sided condemnations against Israel.

Now this.

Gingrich was the same. For me, it's come down to the time when we have to actually live our Constitutional screed. We either have an open society for all religions, or we don't. And when they start hacking away at just one segment of the population's rights, and not allowing the mosque would have set that precedent, then everyone should be scared.

574 davesax  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:30:26pm

re: #564 blueraven

The pro Hezbollah rallies in Europe.

And many on the left here, Stephen Walt, Andrew Sullivan, think Israel is the problem. Not Iran.

575 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:31:01pm

re: #563 sattv4u2

No, I lived in Whately, a little town about 10 miles north. I was a folk singer and Northhampton (across the Connecticut River) is/was ground zero for the touchy feeley singer/songerwriters. Needless to say, they hated me. This would have been 1989-91 or so.

576 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:31:06pm

re: #561 darthstar

I don't agree. Given the numbers, I think the GOP is sure to make gains. People are mad at incumbents and they're going to take it out on the Dems, just like they took it out on Republicans in 2008.

577 blueraven  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:31:10pm

re: #569 sattv4u2

Syria!

I am talking about here...in The USA.

578 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:31:33pm

re: #570 SanFranciscoZionist

I was there in the early 90s.

Did we date?

579 palomino  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:31:58pm

re: #544 Walter L. Newton

WE JUST CALLED HIM HITLER.

Yes, but there is a huge difference. With BDS, Bush was called a "fascist warmonger" (as were Nixon and LBJ, for that matter). And with CDS before that Clinton was a socialist selling secrets to China and raping every nubile woman in DC.

But the tone and substance of ODS is unique. Obama's very American-ness is denied; he's not just seen as an illegitimate president, but an illegitimate American who sympathizes with his fellow Muslims and wants to establish a tyrannical caliphate. In short, he's our first "foreign president", the manchurian candidate. It's all of a piece with the insane response to Park 51.

580 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:32:04pm

re: #572 sattv4u2

damn ,, my wife is old!!!

Shut yo' mouth.

581 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:32:14pm

re: #565 Walter L. Newton

I really don't care LVQ, you're just a lot of fun to play with. Enjoy.

Now everyone pay attention:

Walter has certain stock moves when he says something stupid and unfounded and the gets called on it.

This one was the "pretend he doesn't really mean it, he was just trolling" move.

He also has:

I understand what you are saying by I am concerned at teh way you said it. move.

Then there is the inimitable : That is a broad brush after purposefully taking mock offense at a straw man.

But my favorite is when he just gets passive aggressive and misses having Bagua for back-up.

Your move old twit.

582 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:32:25pm

re: #554 Reginald Perrin

Unfortunately there is the distinct possibility that your voice won't be heard if you don't speak before election day. The gains in the midterm election may fuel a greater shift to the right and more alienation of the sane true conservatives.

eh, I'm hoping mid-terms don't show a huge right-ward shift.
If it does, and the gains show a full-on entrenchment of the nuts, then the R's will simply lose more of us for the next one.

583 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:32:26pm

re: #575 Jeff In Ohio

No, I lived in Whately, a little town about 10 miles north. I was a folk singer and Northhampton (across the Connecticut River) is/was ground zero for the touchy feeley singer/songerwriters. Needless to say, they hated me. This would have been 1989-91 or so.

I know them both well!

584 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:32:49pm

re: #578 Jeff In Ohio

Did we date?

I don't THINK so...

585 blueraven  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:33:25pm

re: #574 davesax

The pro Hezbollah rallies in Europe.

And many on the left here, Stephen Walt, Andrew Sullivan, think Israel is the problem. Not Iran.

I would hardly call Sullivan from the left. He is not for Iran...yes the people of Iran who stood up after the election, certainly not the government.

586 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:33:33pm

re: #578 Jeff In Ohio

Did we date?

re: #584 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't THINK so...

Did you FIG!?!?

587 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:34:08pm

re: #474 Fozzie Bear

Reflection ding. Lovely.

I tried to warn President (then Senator Obama that the chair wasn't as comfortable as it looked.

He didn't listen.

588 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:34:37pm

re: #586 sattv4u2

re: #584 SanFranciscoZionist

Did you FIG!?!?

:)

589 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:34:58pm

re: #574 davesax

The pro Hezbollah rallies in Europe.

And many on the left here, Stephen Walt, Andrew Sullivan, think Israel is the problem. Not Iran.

Indeed. The left has a serious moral problem when it comes to Israel. They can't get it into their heads that the 'underdogs' are really the bad guys in the story.

590 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:35:38pm

re: #572 sattv4u2

damn ,, my wife is old!!!

I recommend that you find a way that she never read that. Bad things will happen to you if she does.

591 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:35:59pm

re: #587 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Reflection ding. Lovely.

I tried to warn President (then Senator Obama that the chair wasn't as comfortable as it looked.

He didn't listen.

I've often wondered why there is a platoon of secret service agents following you

592 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:36:37pm

re: #557 bratwurst

Ha! Where's that?

593 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:36:57pm

re: #590 LudwigVanQuixote

I recommend that you find a way that she never read that. Bad things will happen to you if she does.

heh,,, we've been married for 21 years ,,, together for 5 years before that

If she hasn't killed me for being me by now, I think I'm safe!

594 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:37:11pm

re: #583 sattv4u2

I know them both well!

Beautiful place. Hated it. We go there almost every summer to visit with friends (kids godparents) in Shutesbury.

595 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:37:42pm

re: #574 davesax

The pro Hezbollah rallies in Europe.

And many on the left here, Stephen Walt, Andrew Sullivan, think Israel is the problem. Not Iran.

Yes and that is the other side.

Bush was so insanely polarizing that his overblown "support" of Israel, which like any other presidents, in reality, was balanced by a need to cow tow to Arab oil influence, coupled with everything else that made him unpopular, turned ISrael into an easy proxy target.

596 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:37:58pm

re: #581 LudwigVanQuixote

Your move old twit.

not nice

you can do better without the names

597 Jeff In Ohio  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:38:16pm

re: #584 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't THINK so...

Prolly not, I was not much of a dater.

Lover and a leaver.

I'm all over that now.

Sort of.

598 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:38:39pm

re: #596 sattv4u2


Your move old twit.

not nice

you can do better without the names

Quite Concur.

599 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:38:52pm

re: #596 sattv4u2


Your move old twit.

not nice

you can do better without the names

Don't worry about it. He can't help himself. I'm so over that bullshit.

600 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:39:08pm

re: #595 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes and that is the other side.

Bush was so insanely polarizing that his overblown "support" of Israel, which like any other presidents, in reality, was balanced by a need to cow tow to Arab oil influence, coupled with everything else that made him unpopular, turned ISrael into an easy proxy target.

Disagree. The left's hatred of Israel went back decades before that. As for Bush's support of Israel, that got seriously overblown by his supporters, to a degree that would have been funny if it wasn't now being used to bludgeon Obama.

601 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:40:12pm

re: #598 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur.

Don't worry about it... I name call too... I called LVQ a "cake brain" in comment re: #389 Walter L. Newton...

602 Varek Raith  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:40:48pm

You're all a bunch of biscuit heads!
/
Later gators!

603 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:42:07pm

re: #602 Varek Raith

You're all a bunch of biscuit heads!
/
Later gators!

Hey... he called me a bisuit brain... well... you're a cake brain with icing on top.

604 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:42:34pm

re: #599 Walter L. Newton

Don't worry about it. He can't help himself. I'm so over that bullshit.

Whether it doesn't bother you or "he can't help himself" isn't the point. I also could care less if someone calls me a name,, ESPECIALLY on a blog!

But there are people who watch what transpires here and it cheapens the discourse

605 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:42:58pm

re: #602 Varek Raith

You're all a bunch of biscuit heads!


I'm more of a biscuit eater.

606 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:42:59pm

re: #595 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes and that is the other side.

Bush was so insanely polarizing that his overblown "support" of Israel, which like any other presidents, in reality, was balanced by a need to cow tow to Arab oil influence, coupled with everything else that made him unpopular, turned ISrael into an easy proxy target.

There's a dance they do between Israel and the Arab countries, that's where the politics come in. I don't fault any administration for that. We do still need OPEC. Bush was a good supporter of Israel. I'll give him that. Even when he criticized Sharon or made M.E. errors.

He was hoping after Hamas was elected that Fatah would finish them off, but it didn't work out that way, unfortunately.

607 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:43:05pm

re: #603 Walter L. Newton

Hey... he called me a bisuit brain... well... you're a cake brain with icing on top.

[smiles]

608 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:43:22pm

re: #603 Walter L. Newton

There's cake?

609 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:43:25pm

BBIAB

610 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:43:26pm

re: #600 SanFranciscoZionist

Disagree. The left's hatred of Israel went back decades before that. As for Bush's support of Israel, that got seriously overblown by his supporters, to a degree that would have been funny if it wasn't now being used to bludgeon Obama.

I hear your points. I do not disagree that the far left mixed with a strong dose of European antisemitism has been an issue for decades. However, the polarizing insanity of Bush, I strongly believe pushed many who were left leaning into the arms of the far left, and with that came a dose of Israel hatred. There was never the organized anti-Israel stuff you see on college campuses today like there was during Bush, and honestly since Obama took office, that has died down.

611 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:44:50pm

re: #582 reine.de.tout

eh, I'm hoping mid-terms don't show a huge right-ward shift.
If it does, and the gains show a full-on entrenchment of the nuts, then the R's will simply lose more of us for the next one.

I ask this sincerely, why can't the sane mainstream conservatives call out the radical lunatic fringe? It would carry a lot more weight in the mainstream media if it came from conservatives, rather than from progressives.

612 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:45:53pm

re: #606 marjoriemoon

There's a dance they do between Israel and the Arab countries, that's where the politics come in. I don't fault any administration for that. We do still need OPEC. Bush was a good supporter of Israel. I'll give him that. Even when he criticized Sharon or made M.E. errors.

He was hoping after Hamas was elected that Fatah would finish them off, but it didn't work out that way, unfortunately.

I hear that too. I suppose he hoped that the same way his dad figured Saddam would be toppled by the groups we set up and betrayed in Iraq. Just incompetent, but not anti-Israel. I never accused him of that.

It is an irony I think that had we had Sharon or Bibi in power during the last Lebanon kerfluffle, there would be no more Hezzies. Bush was certainly supportive enough of that.

Of course, we got Olmert.

613 bratwurst  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:46:35pm

re: #589 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. The left has a serious moral problem when it comes to Israel. They can't get it into their heads that the 'underdogs' are really the bad guys in the story.

Please try not to paint "the left" as being in lockstep in regard to Israel. Golda Meir was once elected Deputy Chairman of the worldwide Socialist International, ya know. This leftist is proudly pro-Israel.


re: #592 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Ha! Where's that?


It's in the land of make believe. Go to the address you see at the bottom of the pic and you can make your very own obscene signs!

614 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:47:06pm

re: #613 bratwurst

I am sad now.

615 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:47:20pm

Check out this photo of Geert on Think Progress

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

perfect

616 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:48:26pm

re: #615 Stanley Sea

Check out this photo of Geert on Think Progress

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

perfect

Makes my day.

617 blueraven  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:48:53pm

re: #611 Reginald Perrin

I ask this sincerely, why can't the sane mainstream conservatives call out the radical lunatic fringe? It would carry a lot more weight in the mainstream media if it came from conservatives, rather than from progressives.

Because the few that try get chased out of the party; Crist, or take a job overseas; Hunt. Or they just change to fit the program; McCain.
If they stray off the reservation, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Palin and the other king makers will destroy them.

618 Lidane  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:48:56pm

Completely OT, but I love The Onion:

New Edition Of Bible Specifically Mentions Second Amendment

Heh.

619 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:49:29pm

re: #610 LudwigVanQuixote

I hear your points. I do not disagree that the far left mixed with a strong dose of European antisemitism has been an issue for decades. However, the polarizing insanity of Bush, I strongly believe pushed many who were left leaning into the arms of the far left, and with that came a dose of Israel hatred. There was never the organized anti-Israel stuff you see on college campuses today like there was during Bush, and honestly since Obama took office, that has died down.

I hadn't really thought of it that way, but it makes sense. Especially with the 20 somethings in need of a cause.

620 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:50:04pm

re: #608 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

There's cake?

And warm apple pie!

621 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:50:35pm

re: #619 marjoriemoon

I hadn't really thought of it that way, but it makes sense. Especially with the 20 somethings in need of a cause.

I'm on a campus. I saw it happen.

622 jayzee  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:50:56pm

re: #610 LudwigVanQuixote

I hear your points. I do not disagree that the far left mixed with a strong dose of European antisemitism has been an issue for decades. However, the polarizing insanity of Bush, I strongly believe pushed many who were left leaning into the arms of the far left, and with that came a dose of Israel hatred. There was never the organized anti-Israel stuff you see on college campuses today like there was during Bush, and honestly since Obama took office, that has died down.

LVD, blaming Bush for good "left leaning" folk turning into anitsemitic far left socialists is like blaming Obama for "right leaning" people becoming paleocon birchers. Until people either start taking responsibility for their insanity, or people stop finding excuses for other people's craziness, we will be doomed to repeat the cycle. What do I know though? I am classless and uneducated. ;)

623 lostlakehiker  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:52:25pm

re: #561 darthstar

That's assuming there are 'gains' in the midterm election. If America responds as I think she will (rejecting xenophobia, fear, and bigotry), then there's a good chance the balance will remain the same, except in the Senate, where there's now a small chance the Democrats can actually gain a seat or two.

Anyone who sees that as a mandate for more wing-nuttery is huffing spray paint (though that could explain Boehner's orange visage).

The economy is too far down for too long. Incumbents take a beating when that happens. Since there are more Democrat incumbents than Republicans, the Dems are pretty much sure to lose some ground in the House.

All the challenger will need to do is show up and not say too much that's too stupid. He'll be the vote for hope and change, and the incumbent will be the candidate of more of the same, no matter what he says.

How far this goes is anybody's guess. My guess is the Dems retain control of the House and Senate, but lose a substantial part of their now commanding majority. Half? A quarter? Beats me.

There's simply no good news the administration can point to. No achievements that command wide public support. No prospects for a turnaround resulting from more of the same.

They're left arguing that the Republicans would make an even bigger hash of things. Maybe that's true, but it's not the argument you want to be making when you ask for somebody's vote.

624 Lidane  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:52:26pm

re: #611 Reginald Perrin

I ask this sincerely, why can't the sane mainstream conservatives call out the radical lunatic fringe?

Because the sane, mainstream conservatives have been depending on the radical lunatic fringe to prop up the GOP for the last few decades. That's why. Who do you think they've been appealing to with the Republican party's focus on social and religious issues all these years?

They can't call these people out because that's the activist party base. They're the useful idiots and rubes who send money and work on get out the vote efforts. Calling them out would mean the GOP would have to find a new source for funding and for warm bodies to come out to campaign events.

625 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:52:33pm

re: #611 Reginald Perrin

I ask this sincerely, why can't the sane mainstream conservatives call out the radical lunatic fringe? It would carry a lot more weight in the mainstream media if it came from conservatives, rather than from progressives.

Because they see wingnuts as the lesser of two evils. Even I do in my own state. Better Bill Brady than 4 more years of the 'D machine'.

626 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:52:41pm

re: #622 jayzee

LVD, blaming Bush for good "left leaning" folk turning into anitsemitic far left socialists is like blaming Obama for "right leaning" people becoming paleocon birchers. Until people either start taking responsibility for their insanity, or people stop finding excuses for other people's craziness, we will be doomed to repeat the cycle. What do I know though? I am classless and uneducated. ;)



You had me believing what you were saying until you revealed that !!!

//

(upding btw ,, VERY well stated)

627 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:52:45pm

re: #615 Stanley Sea

Check out this photo of Geert on Think Progress

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

perfect


That was nasty, those meanie progs are wicked and don't play fair.
///

628 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:53:39pm

re: #623 lostlakehiker

The economy is too far down for too long. Incumbents take a beating when that happens. Since there are more Democrat incumbents than Republicans, the Dems are pretty much sure to lose some ground in the House.

All the challenger will need to do is show up and not say too much that's too stupid. He'll be the vote for hope and change, and the incumbent will be the candidate of more of the same, no matter what he says.

How far this goes is anybody's guess. My guess is the Dems retain control of the House and Senate, but lose a substantial part of their now commanding majority. Half? A quarter? Beats me.

There's simply no good news the administration can point to. No achievements that command wide public support. No prospects for a turnaround resulting from more of the same.

They're left arguing that the Republicans would make an even bigger hash of things. Maybe that's true, but it's not the argument you want to be making when you ask for somebody's vote.

Quite concur.

629 jayzee  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:54:48pm

re: #626 sattv4u2

Thank you. I was being honest about the classless part.

630 lostlakehiker  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:55:24pm

re: #611 Reginald Perrin

I ask this sincerely, why can't the sane mainstream conservatives call out the radical lunatic fringe? It would carry a lot more weight in the mainstream media if it came from conservatives, rather than from progressives.

Conservatives who aren't running for office and don't have financial irons in the fire are scarce. It takes a certain amount of courage to go fly solo like Crist and Lieberman. The best, and it's a sorry best, that can be expected of sane, mainstream, careerist conservatives is silence where clapping is the norm.

631 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:55:27pm

re: #622 jayzee

LVD, blaming Bush for good "left leaning" folk turning into anitsemitic far left socialists is like blaming Obama for "right leaning" people becoming paleocon birchers. Until people either start taking responsibility for their insanity, or people stop finding excuses for other people's craziness, we will be doomed to repeat the cycle. What do I know though? I am classless and uneducated. ;)

And that day will never come. Enough people will always want to take the easy way out. Honestly looking at a serious crisis is too hard for most people, so they retreat into slogans and finger-pointing.

632 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:56:48pm

re: #629 jayzee

Thank you. I was being honest about the classless part.

Thats because it's summertime

No classes! Schools closed !!

633 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:57:14pm

re: #622 jayzee

LVD, blaming Bush for good "left leaning" folk turning into anitsemitic far left socialists is like blaming Obama for "right leaning" people becoming paleocon birchers. Until people either start taking responsibility for their insanity, or people stop finding excuses for other people's craziness, we will be doomed to repeat the cycle. What do I know though? I am classless and uneducated. ;)

You make a very interesting set of points.

There is just one major difference to be accounted for. Bush really did do al sorts of horrible stuff. For a young idealistic kid in search of a cause, the hatred of Bush was easy and obvious and that made such kids into easy fodder for propagandists. The most dangerous lies for such a kid start with a measure of truth. The discussions on campuses started with Bush exceses and then Israel got attached to it.

The dynamic that is making teabags though is something totally different. It isn't youthful idealism, but rather fear of losing lily white America by the middle aged and older. It is nothing more than a dose of carefully aimed prejudice aimed at a hand wringing and cowardly class. Those people already fear certain lies so much, that the lies can start without a dose of truth.

I hear your point about stupid people who think they are clever being the easiest prey for manipulation though.

634 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 3:57:34pm

re: #622 jayzee

LVD, blaming Bush for good "left leaning" folk turning into anitsemitic far left socialists is like blaming Obama for "right leaning" people becoming paleocon birchers. Until people either start taking responsibility for their insanity, or people stop finding excuses for other people's craziness, we will be doomed to repeat the cycle. What do I know though? I am classless and uneducated. ;)

I don't think he meant it exactly like that. You're a young college kid, want to become a little more politically minded, get involved, that sort of thing, fight injustice. You hate Bush, of course. He wasn't terribly popular among that age group. So you hate everything he stands for, and that includes Israel. Certainly there was anti-Semitism, but I don't think that was most of the motivation. I'm sure they started to believe the lies about Israel. We're still fighting against that. Why I think history is so important to know.

It's just like after 9/11, a lot of us got into Muslim bashing out of fear and ignorance and then came to our senses. Well some of us did.

635 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:00:28pm

re: #617 blueraven

Because the few that try get chased out of the party; Crist, or take a job overseas; Hunt. Or they just change to fit the program; McCain.
If they stray off the reservation, Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Palin and the other king makers will destroy them.

What ever happened to courage?

The bad guys win because they used slimy tactics to retaliate, it's not my country and it pisses me off to witness this.
How can Conservatives allow this to happen to their party?

636 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:00:52pm

re: #623 lostlakehiker

The economy is too far down for too long. Incumbents take a beating when that happens. Since there are more Democrat incumbents than Republicans, the Dems are pretty much sure to lose some ground in the House.

All the challenger will need to do is show up and not say too much that's too stupid. He'll be the vote for hope and change, and the incumbent will be the candidate of more of the same, no matter what he says.

How far this goes is anybody's guess. My guess is the Dems retain control of the House and Senate, but lose a substantial part of their now commanding majority. Half? A quarter? Beats me.

There's simply no good news the administration can point to. No achievements that command wide public support. No prospects for a turnaround resulting from more of the same.

They're left arguing that the Republicans would make an even bigger hash of things. Maybe that's true, but it's not the argument you want to be making when you ask for somebody's vote.

You are right in many ways, but there are many things that the administration can point to.

Job loss has been turned around and we are actually recovering.

We passed health care reform and millions of Americans have coverage now that didn't before.

We passed credit card reform and tons of vile things that the credit card companies did are now not legal.

There is a long list of accomplishments.

The problem is the 24/7 distortion and hate campaign of Fox. Since the Dems never went on a similar blitz, to even just combat the endless lies, Obama has gained little political capital for his successes.

637 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:01:50pm

re: #633 LudwigVanQuixote

There is just one major difference to be accounted for. Bush really did do al sorts of horrible stuff.

Lets compare apples to apples

What "all sorts of horrible stuff" did Bush do in his 1st 18 months?

(lets remember,,, Iraq wasn't invaded till March 2003,,,, a full 25 months into the Bush presidency)

638 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:02:07pm

Did anyone catch Hirisi Ali and Irshad Manji on CNN this morning? Fareed Zakarai's show. Manji speaks to reforming Islam while Ali talks about abandoning it altogether. It was a good discussion if I can find it.

639 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:03:20pm

re: #589 Dark_Falcon

Indeed. The left has a serious moral problem when it comes to Israel. They can't get it into their heads that the 'underdogs' are really the bad guys in the story.

Except, of course, for American Jews, the majority of which are on the 'left'.

It's a good thing to remember that. Even reasonable conservatives for some reason often seem to forget that.

Remember Weiner exists, and many, many, many others like him.

640 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:04:33pm

re: #637 sattv4u2


There is just one major difference to be accounted for. Bush really did do al sorts of horrible stuff.

Lets compare apples to apples

What "all sorts of horrible stuff" did Bush do in his 1st 18 months?

(lets remember,,, Iraq wasn't invaded till March 2003,,, a full 25 months into the Bush presidency)

What a side show. I am talking about the bush presidency as a whole. You are not suggesting apples and apples you are trying to go in some perpendicular direction, in a game I have no patience for.

641 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:04:34pm

re: #636 LudwigVanQuixote

Job loss has been turned around and we are actually recovering.

ummm,, where??

[Link: www.businessinsider.com...]

642 jayzee  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:06:14pm

re: #633 LudwigVanQuixote

Sorry, I disagree. To the left Bush did bad things and probably a good thing or two, and to the right Obama is doing bad things (and a few good things). It's perspective, but we were not talking about the left or the right. We were talking about the trash that uses whatever excuse it can to scream and hate on the fringes. My argument is not that Bush was right, or Obama wrong or anything like that. My argument is that people who hate are people that hate. The far left ranks are filled with douches just like the far right. It's time to stop giving any of them a pass.

643 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:06:16pm

re: #640 LudwigVanQuixote

What a side show. I am talking about the bush presidency as a whole. You are not suggesting apples and apples you are trying to go in some perpendicular direction, in a game I have no patience for.

How can you compare the Bush Presidency as a whole against the Obama Presidncy of the 1st 18 months?

Compare the 1st 18 months to 1st 18 months
fair??
No,, of course not!

BUSH's FAULT!!

There ,, I did it for you

644 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:08:24pm

re: #640 LudwigVanQuixote

What a side show. I am talking about the bush presidency as a whole. You are not suggesting apples and apples you are trying to go in some perpendicular direction, in a game I have no patience for.

His "side show" is actually of considerable value. The left hated Bush right from the start. There was nothing Bush could have done about that, since the left was butthurt over having lost a disputed election. They would have painted as "EVIL!!1" no matter what he did.

645 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:10:06pm

re: #641 sattv4u2

Job loss has been turned around and we are actually recovering.

ummm,, where??

[Link: www.businessinsider.com...]

Wow, way to cherry pick! Really great. I expect some more honesty from you, but I see partisanship won out and led you to be dishonest. How Republican!

Look at job losses during the Bush administration and follow the overall trend.

[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

[Link: bubblemeter.blogspot.com...]

646 blueraven  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:10:42pm

re: #635 Reginald Perrin

What ever happened to courage?

The bad guys win because they used slimy tactics to retaliate, it's not my country and it pisses me off to witness this.
How can Conservatives allow this to happen to their party?

I completely agree. But look at the few who have dared to try. David Frum has railed against the insanity and has been totally ostracized; fired from a conservative think tank and ridiculed by the right wing radio talk.
This is a man who is truly conservative, even a neocon by some standards and was hailed by many on that side as an important voice for conservatism.

It is sad to watch

647 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:11:02pm

re: #644 Dark_Falcon

His "side show" is actually of considerable value. The left hated Bush right from the start. There was nothing Bush could have done about that, since the left was butthurt over having lost a disputed election. They would have painted as "EVIL!!1" no matter what he did.

But not even close to the extent that the right painted Obama or Clinton for that matter. Don't be silly too DF.

648 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:11:02pm

re: #638 marjoriemoon

Ali's new book Nomad has some discussion of those topics.


[Link: productsearch.barnesandnoble.com...]

649 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:11:35pm

re: #644 Dark_Falcon

His "side show" is actually of considerable value. The left hated Bush right from the start. There was nothing Bush could have done about that, since the left was butthurt over having lost a disputed election. They would have painted as "EVIL!!1" no matter what he did.

damn ,, I forgot all about that!

I was focused on the "hate" post Iraq war

650 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:12:14pm

re: #644 Dark_Falcon

All of them?

Can we get a little perspective here? Bush not only had a moderate amount of acceptance on the left before 9/11, everyone in the country came together to support him after 9/11.

These days, when any sort of terrorist attack or incident occurs, the majority of people on the 'right' blame Obama or use it to attack him in some way, rather than supporting him.

Can you imagine the reaction from the 'right' as a whole if something on the scale of 9/11 happened on Obama's watch? It'd be insane. There'd be immediate calls for impeachment.

People forget a lot of the anger against Bush is the feeling he took the support and goodwill post 9/11 and used to to further his own agenda-- that may be unfair, but it didn't have to do with the disputed election.

651 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:13:51pm

re: #643 sattv4u2

How can you compare the Bush Presidency as a whole against the Obama Presidncy of the 1st 18 months?

Compare the 1st 18 months to 1st 18 months
fair??
No,, of course not!

BUSH's FAULT!!

There ,, I did it for you

OK you really want to play this...

In the first 18 months of his presidency, Bush spent more time on vaction twiddling his thumbs and ignoring warnings about Al queda than any other President.

He really didn't do much of anything.

Obama on the other hand:

Job loss has been turned around and we are actually recovering.

[Link: www.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

There is the graph again in case you missed it.

He passed health care reform and millions of Americans have coverage now that didn't before.

He passed credit card reform and tons of vile things that the credit card companies did are now not legal.

There is a long list of accomplishments.

652 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:14:59pm

re: #645 LudwigVanQuixote

"cherry pick"

You stated "job loss has been turned around and we are actually recovering

I gave you THE most recent months

Look at job losses during the Bush administration

Don't know if you get a daily newspaper, but Bush isn't the President anymore. Don't I recall being told that we needed to pass the stimulus so unemployment wouldn't go over 8%

(I know ,, I know ,, Bush's fault)

653 Cheechako  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:15:32pm

re: #539 sattv4u2

You're kidding!!

My wife (and my favorite cousin) are both graduates of there


Me too

654 jayzee  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:15:52pm

re: #640 LudwigVanQuixote

What a side show. I am talking about the bush presidency as a whole. You are not suggesting apples and apples you are trying to go in some perpendicular direction, in a game I have no patience for.

The "peace movement" started before we went to war. They had "peace ins" or whatever they called them almost immediately after 9-11. AQ used as an excuse, US support of Israel and some bought into that. On October 20th of that year, Richard Gere gave a pacifist speech at the concert for NYC. Anti Bush sentiment dates back even further, to his election. The far left hated Bush just for being Bush, which is the reason many on the far right hate Obama.

655 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:16:06pm

re: #648 PhillyPretzel

Ali's new book Nomad has some discussion of those topics.

[Link: productsearch.barnesandnoble.com...]

Is that new? I hadn't heard of Irshad Manji. I bet CL has. I'll have to ask her. She's a reformist which I really agree with more than Ali, although I understand Ali's experience.

656 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:16:14pm

re: #651 LudwigVanQuixote

Talking Points memo

Talking Points Memo (or TPM) is a web-based political journalism organization created and run by Josh Marshall. It debuted on November 12, 2000. It covers a wide range of topics from a "politically left perspective,"[2]

no bias THERE, thank God

657 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:16:27pm

re: #647 LudwigVanQuixote

But not even close to the extent that the right painted Obama or Clinton for that matter. Don't be silly too DF.

Not Obama, true, but the right didn't go after Clinton nearly as hard as its gone after Obama (as I remember, it has been a while). Nevertheless, the point still holds: Both Bush and Obama were hated by the other party's 'far side' right from the get-go. That made compromise impossible. Both parties have the same ultimate problem: Their base has a group of crazies that they are afraid to alienate when out of power. The party in power can dispense favors, and appeal to the need to accomplish things to keep the peace; The party out of power tends to let its freak flag fly.

658 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:18:07pm

re: #653 Cheechako

Me too

What year?


(wifey was1976, iirc

659 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:18:31pm

re: #655 marjoriemoon
It has been out for a few months. I read it (speed read) and she wants to reform Islam.

660 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:18:45pm

re: #654 jayzee

The "peace movement" started before we went to war. They had "peace ins" or whatever they called them almost immediately after 9-11. AQ used as an excuse, US support of Israel and some bought into that. On October 20th of that year, Richard Gere gave a pacifist speech at the concert for NYC. Anti Bush sentiment dates back even further, to his election. The far left hated Bush just for being Bush, which is the reason many on the far right hate Obama.

Just so. The New York Times' columnists were starting to turn against action in Afghanistan back in November of 2001. It was the seemingly sudden collapse of the Taliban that quieted them back down for a time.

661 mr.fusion  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:18:50pm

re: #644 Dark_Falcon

His "side show" is actually of considerable value. The left hated Bush right from the start. There was nothing Bush could have done about that, since the left was butthurt over having lost a disputed election. They would have painted as "EVIL!!1" no matter what he did.

BS

Bush's approval was at 90% following 9/11....Yes, eventually the Cindy Sheehans and Sean Penns of the world became common place but it's undeniable that the majority of "the left" supported Bush in a time of crisis.

662 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:20:35pm

re: #639 Obdicut

Except, of course, for American Jews, the majority of which are on the 'left'.

It's a good thing to remember that. Even reasonable conservatives for some reason often seem to forget that.

Remember Weiner exists, and many, many, many others like him.

The problem here is defining 'the left'. Most liberals and centrist Democrats are not anti-Israel, while they may believe some misinformation about the state's actions. Most far-left people are. (NO, I have no polls or links, this is based on my intuitive observations of the range of the left-of-center community.)

663 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:20:46pm

re: #657 Dark_Falcon

Not Obama, true, but the right didn't go after Clinton nearly as hard as its gone after Obama (as I remember, it has been a while). Nevertheless, the point still holds: Both Bush and Obama were hated by the other party's 'far side' right from the get-go. That made compromise impossible. Both parties have the same ultimate problem: Their base has a group of crazies that they are afraid to alienate when out of power. The party in power can dispense favors, and appeal to the need to accomplish things to keep the peace; The party out of power tends to let its freak flag fly.

No, Dark. The problem is not the same. The right-wing really, really, really not only is saying things that are far more extreme, but they're doing things-- actual, political things, from the massive amounts of obstructionism in Congress to the hideous laws being passed in Oklahoma and other places where they do actually have a majority-- that are far in excess of what the Democrats did under Bush.

I think you are making the mistake of comparing the far-left and the far-right, when what you should be comparing is the Democrats and the GOP. The GOP, right now, in this place and time, has become a party of extremists. It really has happened. There are precious, precious few that are speaking up-- I'm severely disappointed in Olympia Snowe, who I had expected to come to the forefront to wrest the party back on track.

The GOP has become far-right. The Democrats never became far-left. They didn't before, and they're not now.

That is a huge difference.

664 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:21:30pm

re: #661 mr.fusion

BS

Bush's approval was at 90% following 9/11...Yes, eventually the Cindy Sheehans and Sean Penns of the world became common place but it's undeniable that the majority of "the left" supported Bush in a time of crisis.

Bingo!

I don't remember being really negative on Bush until Iraq, and I was REALLY negative on Bush when the Terri Schiavo thing happened. That was sort of my point where I thought the GOP had gone insane.

665 Renaissance_Man  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:22:18pm

re: #657 Dark_Falcon

Not Obama, true, but the right didn't go after Clinton nearly as hard as its gone after Obama (as I remember, it has been a while). Nevertheless, the point still holds: Both Bush and Obama were hated by the other party's 'far side' right from the get-go. That made compromise impossible. Both parties have the same ultimate problem: Their base has a group of crazies that they are afraid to alienate when out of power. The party in power can dispense favors, and appeal to the need to accomplish things to keep the peace; The party out of power tends to let its freak flag fly.

This bit really isn't true though. The far left crazies are not pandered to by Democrat politicians. Can you find any instances of campaign ads during the Bush years that had impeachment or revolution as a central theme? Can you name any movement during the Bush years that Democrats desperately courted in the same way as Republicans have bowed to the Tea Party?

666 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:22:25pm

re: #656 sattv4u2

And yet the numbers are real.. wanna look at different source:

CHART OF THE DAY: It's Official: Obama Is Creaming Bush When It Comes To Jobs

[Link: www.businessinsider.com...]

Is business insider liberal garbage too?

667 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:22:45pm

re: #663 Obdicut

I think you are making the mistake of comparing the far-left and the far-right, when what you should be comparing is the Democrats and the GOP. The GOP, right now, in this place and time, has become a party of extremists. It really has happened. There are precious, precious few that are speaking up-- I'm severely disappointed in Olympia Snowe, who I had expected to come to the forefront to wrest the party back on track.

The GOP has become far-right. The Democrats never became far-left. They didn't before, and they're not now.

That is a huge difference.

Comparing the FAR right and the FAR left is sort of a roundabout way to create false equivalency, because there's always extremist

The difference is the GOP's extremists ARE RUNNING THE PARTY

668 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:22:48pm

re: #664 WindUpBird

Oh, I'm remembering a little hanging chad thingy...

669 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:22:52pm

re: #655 marjoriemoon

Is that new? I hadn't heard of Irshad Manji. I bet CL has. I'll have to ask her. She's a reformist which I really agree with more than Ali, although I understand Ali's experience.

Irshad is awesome. Read her book, The Trouble With Islam.

No scare tactics, no craziness, very on the up and up. And some of what she writes about is extremely funny. The part where she shows up to see the al-Aqsa mosque and they thought a man was coming ("Irshad" is apparently like "Pat") is worth the price of admission.

670 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:23:12pm

re: #666 LudwigVanQuixote

And yet the numbers are real.. wanna look at different source:

CHART OF THE DAY: It's Official: Obama Is Creaming Bush When It Comes To Jobs

[Link: www.businessinsider.com...]

Is business insider liberal garbage too?

facts have a liberal bias, always

671 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:23:13pm

re: #661 mr.fusion

BS

Bush's approval was at 90% following 9/11...Yes, eventually the Cindy Sheehans and Sean Penns of the world became common place but it's undeniable that the majority of "the left" supported Bush in a time of crisis.

Their support was only temporary, and it would have gone away in any case. The simple fact was that they did not agree with Bush on most issues and that fact reasserted itself after a few months.

Full Disclosure: I think Bush more right than wrong and I do not regret voting for him.

672 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:23:33pm

re: #659 PhillyPretzel

It has been out for a few months. I read it (speed read) and she wants to reform Islam.

That wasn't what she was saying on Zakaria's show. She's of the camp where the only way out of Islam is to leave it. I guess you could call that reforming, but Manji spoke of reforming the religion and ridding it of the violence.

673 sagehen  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:23:57pm

re: #514 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm sure I said at some point that Bush was stupid. And I'm sure I nitpicked about him. And I can only assume that it's OK for people to do the same to Obama or any other Democrat in office.

What I didn't do, and what normal people don't do now:

I didn't examine everyone he ever talked to for evil tendencies.
I didn't insult his wife.
I didn't insult his kids.
I didn't insult his mother.
I didn't think he was actually going to try to stay in office past his term limit.
I didn't try to find proof he was collaborating with America's enemies.


I didn't examine *everyone* for evil tendencies, but I sure had a lot of complaints about Dick Cheney. I have a very, very low opinion of Darth Cheney, and I really do think he's evil. Also, did you know he doesn't have a pulse anymore?

And I actually did insult Bush's mother, but c'mon. What she said about the Katrina people at the Astrodome or wherever it was? "They were underprivileged anyway, so this is working out very well for them." I just couldn't bite my tongue when I heard that.

674 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:24:09pm

re: #666 LudwigVanQuixote

And yet the numbers are real.. wanna look at different source:

CHART OF THE DAY: It's Official: Obama Is Creaming Bush When It Comes To Jobs

[Link: www.businessinsider.com...]

Is business insider liberal garbage too?

Check date... Feb. 5, 2010, 1:21 PM

675 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:24:14pm

re: #662 SanFranciscoZionist

The problem here is defining 'the left'. Most liberals and centrist Democrats are not anti-Israel, while they may believe some misinformation about the state's actions. Most far-left people are. (NO, I have no polls or links, this is based on my intuitive observations of the range of the left-of-center community.)

As a Leftie, I share your interpretation.

676 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:25:02pm

re: #662 SanFranciscoZionist

The problem here is defining 'the left'. Most liberals and centrist Democrats are not anti-Israel, while they may believe some misinformation about the state's actions. Most far-left people are. (NO, I have no polls or links, this is based on my intuitive observations of the range of the left-of-center community.)

This is actually a phenomenon I don't have a whole bunch of exposure to, because a lot of my lefty friends are super-interested in domestic policy. They may believe some misinformation on Israel, but they're not really invested in it one way or another.

Which I guess is not so far from me, I'm far far far more interested in domestic policy than foreign policy.

677 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:25:50pm

re: #673 sagehen

I didn't examine *everyone* for evil tendencies, but I sure had a lot of complaints about Dick Cheney. I have a very, very low opinion of Darth Cheney, and I really do think he's evil. Also, did you know he doesn't have a pulse anymore?

And I actually did insult Bush's mother, but c'mon. What she said about the Katrina people at the Astrodome or wherever it was? "They were underprivileged anyway, so this is working out very well for them." I just couldn't bite my tongue when I heard that.

Yeah, that thing Barbara Bush said was about the nastiest shitty out-of-touch thing I'd ever heard from a first lady

678 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:26:10pm

re: #452 Summer

Totally OT but, hi everyone! I'm still in Israel for a few more days. Here are some pics so far. I'm going to bed because I'm driving to the desert tomorrow. Miss you all, my iPad rocks, Israel is awesome, and I'll be back in the near future. =)

[Link: picasaweb.google.com...]

Cool! Enjoy! I was in Israel last year, mostly just visiting my daughter in Zefad. Can't believe that it's been a whole year.

679 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:26:33pm

re: #669 SanFranciscoZionist

Irshad is awesome. Read her book, The Trouble With Islam.

No scare tactics, no craziness, very on the up and up. And some of what she writes about is extremely funny. The part where she shows up to see the al-Aqsa mosque and they thought a man was coming ("Irshad" is apparently like "Pat") is worth the price of admission.

I was really impressed with her.

680 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:26:49pm

re: #671 Dark_Falcon

Their support was only temporary, and it would have gone away in any case. The simple fact was that they did not agree with Bush on most issues and that fact reasserted itself after a few months.

Full Disclosure: I think Bush more right than wrong and I do not regret voting for him.

Well, Bush himself didn't agree with most of the issues he campaigned on

No nation building whoops whut

681 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:26:58pm

re: #676 WindUpBird

This is actually a phenomenon I don't have a whole bunch of exposure to, because a lot of my lefty friends are super-interested in domestic policy. They may believe some misinformation on Israel, but they're not really invested in it one way or another.

Which I guess is not so far from me, I'm far far far more interested in domestic policy than foreign policy.

And that's a key difference between you and me, WUB. My main focus is foreign policy. It doesn't make either person wrong, we just specialize in different things.

682 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:27:09pm

re: #669 SanFranciscoZionist

Irshad is awesome. Read her book, The Trouble With Islam.

No scare tactics, no craziness, very on the up and up. And some of what she writes about is extremely funny. The part where she shows up to see the al-Aqsa mosque and they thought a man was coming ("Irshad" is apparently like "Pat") is worth the price of admission.

Irshad Manji also talks about what she calls 'foundamentalism' in Islam, by which she means the way Arabs assume cultural dominance because, well, they had the founder. Some very interesting insights into how that affects non-Arab Muslims.

683 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:27:27pm

re: #668 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh, I'm remembering a little hanging chad thingy...

It must have been hell being a guy named Chad in 2000

684 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:27:46pm

re: #672 marjoriemoon
As I said "speed read." That amounts to skimming the book. I would have to review it again to get some of finer points.

685 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:28:27pm

re: #673 sagehen

I didn't examine *everyone* for evil tendencies, but I sure had a lot of complaints about Dick Cheney. I have a very, very low opinion of Darth Cheney, and I really do think he's evil. Also, did you know he doesn't have a pulse anymore?

And I actually did insult Bush's mother, but c'mon. What she said about the Katrina people at the Astrodome or wherever it was? "They were underprivileged anyway, so this is working out very well for them." I just couldn't bite my tongue when I heard that.

You criticized people for what they did. You didn't research every detail of Barbara Bush's life, trying to prove she was a jerk from the beginning.

686 darthstar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:28:42pm

re: #683 WindUpBird

It must have been hell being a guy named Chad in 2000

I'm hung like a chad...oh, wait...

687 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:28:54pm

re: #666 LudwigVanQuixote

And yet the numbers are real.. wanna look at different source:

CHART OF THE DAY: It's Official: Obama Is Creaming Bush When It Comes To Jobs

[Link: www.businessinsider.com...]

Is business insider liberal garbage too?

It's the SAME chart

Feb. 5, 2010, 1:21 PM

The one I provided is June/ July 2010

(but keep swinging!)

688 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:29:00pm

re: #677 WindUpBird

Yeah, that thing Barbara Bush said was about the nastiest shitty out-of-touch thing I'd ever heard from a first lady

...and yet Michelle Obama is the one being called "Antoinette" 9_9

689 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:29:15pm

re: #681 Dark_Falcon

And that's a key difference between you and me, WUB. My main focus is foreign policy. It doesn't make either person wrong, we just specialize in different things.

My life is far more affected by domestic policy, my friends' lives are far more affected by domestic policy. I just vote my interests. It's not really specialization in an academic sense, it's all about what actually affects my life.

690 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:29:26pm

re: #452 Summer

Oh, and if you want to buy souvenirs, pick out what you like at the overpriced souvenir shop, and then order it online from the Zionist Mall. Way cheaper than those artist stores in Zefad.

691 Cheechako  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:29:33pm

re: #658 sattv4u2

What year?

(wifey was1976, iirc


Early '60's

692 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:29:51pm

re: #674 Walter L. Newton

gaaahh ,, didn't see your 674 before I posted my 687 ,, had stepped away for a moment
GMTA though

693 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:30:04pm

re: #685 SanFranciscoZionist

You criticized people for what they did. You didn't research every detail of Barbara Bush's life, trying to prove she was a jerk from the beginning.

I don't know a damn thing about Laura or Barbara Bush, I don't know anything about the Bush daughters other than, like daughters everywhere, they can embarrass their father on occasion.

694 jayzee  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:30:23pm

re: #680 WindUpBird

Well, Bush himself didn't agree with most of the issues he campaigned on

No nation building whoops whut

I would rather have a president that changes his plans when necessary in a crisis situation than one that rigidly adheres to a campaign promise. This, is vastly different then lying on the campaign trail to get votes btw, it is just that sometimes various plans need to change to accommodate reality.

695 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:30:25pm

re: #678 Alouette

Cool! Enjoy! I was in Israel last year, mostly just visiting my daughter in Zefad. Can't believe that it's been a whole year.

Does she have any lesbian yeshiva girls performing Kabbalistic rituals in her backyard?

///

I was disappointed to find that Google Earth won't let you go down to ground level in Israel. You can 'go' to most cities in Europe or the States and 'walk' around with it. I'd love to do that in Israel, but you can't. Is that for security reasons?

696 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:30:27pm

re: #688 publicityStunted

...and yet Michelle Obama is the one being called "Antoinette" 9_9

hahah NO KIDDING


The focus on Michelle Obama's travelling, it is unprecedented partisan hackery. it's hilariously retarded.

I'm waiting for the right wing to just pull a Chelsea and start insulting their kids

697 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:30:33pm

re: #690 Alouette

Oh, and if you want to buy souvenirs, pick out what you like at the overpriced souvenir shop, and then order it online from the Zionist Mall. Way cheaper than those artist stores in Zefad.

Damn. Zionist Mall Souvenir Shop.

698 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:31:02pm

re: #683 WindUpBird

It must have been hell being a guy named Chad in 2000

"Hey Chad! How's it hanging?"

699 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:31:15pm

re: #685 SanFranciscoZionist

You criticized people for what they did. You didn't research every detail of Barbara Bush's life, trying to prove she was a jerk from the beginning.


There's posters here trying to tell us that Michelle Obama never accomplished everything, which is pretty amazing

700 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:31:19pm

re: #685 SanFranciscoZionist

You criticized people for what they did. You didn't research every detail of Barbara Bush's life, trying to prove she was a jerk from the beginning.

I agree. Certainly Barbara Bush's remark was much more offensive to the people in the Astrodome than Harry Reids remark about "brown skinned" people and voting for Republicans.

There is offensive on both sides and I wish they all would think before they open their mouths.

Probably asking for too much on my part?

701 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:31:23pm

re: #698 SanFranciscoZionist

"Hey Chad! How's it hanging?"

Yes ;_;

702 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:31:25pm

re: #680 WindUpBird

Well, Bush himself didn't agree with most of the issues he campaigned on

No nation building whoops whut

I so remember that. No nation building, repeated repeated and repeated during the election. Then....

"....the U.S. embassy in Iraq, which is set to open in September. Projected to cost $592 million, the embassy will have a staff of 1,000 people and operating costs will total $1.2 billion a year. The complex will be 104 acres, which is the size of approximately 80 football fields...."

Worth the cost of the 4k+ dead young people. not.

703 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:31:35pm

re: #687 sattv4u2

It's the SAME chart

Feb. 5, 2010, 1:21 PM

The one I provided is June/ July 2010

(but keep swinging!)

Hehe...

704 blueraven  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:31:39pm

re: #671 Dark_Falcon

Their support was only temporary, and it would have gone away in any case. The simple fact was that they did not agree with Bush on most issues and that fact reasserted itself after a few months.

Full Disclosure: I think Bush more right than wrong and I do not regret voting for him.

It shouldn't come as much of a surprise that the left "did not agree with Bush on most issues". There is nothing wrong with that. The point is they supported him in the tough times after 9/11, with few exceptions.
Do you think the far right would support Obama if, God forbid, we were attacked again?

705 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:31:46pm

re: #691 Cheechako

Early '60's

Thats when my cousin was there

He's now a retired English Professor

Wonder if you knew him

My names in BLUE if you care to e-mail me. I'll give you his name

706 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:31:52pm

re: #695 SanFranciscoZionist

Does she have any lesbian yeshiva girls performing Kabbalistic rituals in her backyard?

///

I was disappointed to find that Google Earth won't let you go down to ground level in Israel. You can 'go' to most cities in Europe or the States and 'walk' around with it. I'd love to do that in Israel, but you can't. Is that for security reasons?

I would like to find an online street map of Jerusalem.

707 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:32:00pm

re: #693 Obdicut

I don't know a damn thing about Laura or Barbara Bush, I don't know anything about the Bush daughters other than, like daughters everywhere, they can embarrass their father on occasion.

The Bush girls got in some trouble for underage drinking, and as far as I can tell, have been model citizens ever since.

708 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:32:04pm

Bush's 9/11 honeymoon lasted until the war drums started being beaten in Iraq - wrong war, wrong time.
And arguments against Iraq were multifaceted.

The right tried to portray the Sheehans, Mckinneys and Penns are fully representative of the Left - but they DID NOT gain control of the DNC/Congressional Caucus.......... The comparrisons just do not hold.

YEs, there was horrible violent anti-bush rhetoric, but largely from the Seattle type Anarchists. The tops of "Left Wing" politics in the States ran away from the opposite numbers of these wingnut groups.

And, would i compare Dem pols appearing at net-roots/KosCon as being comparable to the leaders of the GOP appearing with the Bircher Brigade? - no fucking way.

709 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:32:05pm

re: #683 WindUpBird

It must have been hell being a guy named Chad in 2000

It was more hell being a Floridian.

710 Lidane  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:32:26pm

re: #644 Dark_Falcon

The left hated Bush right from the start. There was nothing Bush could have done about that, since the left was butthurt over having lost a disputed election. They would have painted as "EVIL!!1" no matter what he did.

I wouldn't go that far. Speaking for myself, I'd already dismissed Dubya as just another asshole Texas pol before he got elected, since I'd already had him as governor for some time here before he ever got to the White House. And honestly, all the drama over the 2000 race got tedious by the time SCOTUS weighed in-- I just wanted it done, and didn't really care who they named in the end.

I was utterly convinced Enron would sink Bush and he'd end up a one-termer, but that was before 9/11. I gave him my support then, since hello, we'd just been attacked. I didn't really go all that negative on him until the Iraq war, and I got even more pissy after Katrina, but it was the Terri Schiavo debacle that ultimately sealed the deal for me. After that, I was done, both with Bush and with ever taking the GOP seriously again.

Funny thing is, I don't personally hate Bush. Never voted for him, never agreed with him much, but I never saw him as evil or as the devil incarnate. If I ever meet him, I'll be nice, shake his hand if it's offered, and not spend my time ranting at him over things that happened years ago. I just didn't like his policies, and hated that Texas smirk of his because it irked me. Cheney, on the other hand? That guy I hated. Still do. Bush? Not so much. I simply didn't care for him as a President.

711 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:33:20pm

re: #695 SanFranciscoZionist

Does she have any lesbian yeshiva girls performing Kabbalistic rituals in her backyard?

///

My daughter's "backyard" is the very steep side of a mountain.

712 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:33:32pm

re: #697 Alouette

Damn. Zionist Mall Souvenir Shop.

Oooh. I love your art section. And I've been looking for a pretty painting of Kever Rachel for my 'office'.

I'll have some money someday, really!

713 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:33:56pm

re: #674 Walter L. Newton

Check date... Feb. 5, 2010, 1:21 PM

And that invalidates how... Tell you guys wht.

Here are the full stats:

[Link: www.bls.gov...]

Cross reference them with this:

April

[Link: www.washingtonmonthly.com...]

May

[Link: www.washingtonmonthly.com...]

And I am looking for the ones for July and August. It doesn't matter though because the source data is in the first link.

714 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:34:07pm

Ahh yes, I remeber. Hanging Chad, Dimpled Chad, and Pregnant Chad.

715 darthstar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:34:12pm

re: #685 SanFranciscoZionist

You criticized people for what they did. You didn't research every detail of Barbara Bush's life, trying to prove she was a jerk from the beginning.

Barbara Bush showed her character the first Xmas after Bush 41 took office. The VP's wife traditionally lit the Xmas tree (one of her few public honors), and when she became first lady, she insisted that she get to light the tree herself, screwing Marilyn Quayle out of her one moment as first backup.

Anything she did or said after that didn't surprise me...

716 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:34:18pm

re: #696 WindUpBird

hahah NO KIDDING

The focus on Michelle Obama's travelling, it is unprecedented partisan hackery. it's hilariously retarded.

I'm waiting for the right wing to just pull a Chelsea and start insulting their kids

They have, many times, the worst being last year when they went to Africa.

717 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:34:24pm

re: #699 WindUpBird

There's posters here trying to tell us that Michelle Obama never accomplished everything, which is pretty amazing

I think you mean 'anything'. I'm pretty sure Michelle has not accomplished 'everything'.

My mother, BTW, has never liked Michelle, and has very negative feelings about her, but she was shocked by how nasty people got over the trip to Spain.

718 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:34:30pm

re: #700 Walter L. Newton

I agree. Certainly Barbara Bush's remark was much more offensive to the people in the Astrodome than Harry Reids remark about "brown skinned" people and voting for Republicans.

There is offensive on both sides and I wish they all would think before they open their mouths.

Probably asking for too much on my part?

One is a broad brush about voting blocs.

The other is basically telling people who have had their lives destroyed that they're dumb beasts who should love their place, being trapped in a disgusting, dangerous septic overcrowded stadium.

No comparison.

I was actually, during Katrina, on IRC channels with some friends listening to the police scanners and the minute by minute reports of Katrina and the problems in the Astrodome (which included assault and rape, iirc), there was a blogger named interdictor who was staying in Oreleans during Katrina.

719 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:34:45pm

re: #700 Walter L. Newton

I agree. Certainly Barbara Bush's remark was much more offensive to the people in the Astrodome than Harry Reids remark about "brown skinned" people and voting for Republicans.

Actually, I would agree with that.

720 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:34:50pm

Interesting that we have some mutes on this thread who are only capable of down dinging instead of actually joining into the conversation and saying something intelligent.

Probably asking for too much on my part?

721 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:35:20pm

re: #687 sattv4u2

It's the SAME chart

Feb. 5, 2010, 1:21 PM

The one I provided is June/ July 2010

(but keep swinging!)

Yes, and by cherry picking one month - with shock headlines of

UGLY JOBS REPORT: 131,000 Lost In July, Stocks Heading Lower

Read more: [Link: www.businessinsider.com...]

you manage to completely ignore the trend and once again show yourself to be a dishonest cherry picker.

722 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:35:52pm

re: #696 WindUpBird

I'm waiting for the right wing to just pull a Chelsea and start insulting their kids

Oh that's already happened. Remember the swing set Obama put up for them on the White House lawn? I remember a comment on a news website saying the girls "would look much better swinging from a tree." The other word used to describe them is one I won't repeat here.

723 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:35:56pm

re: #704 blueraven

It shouldn't come as much of a surprise that the left "did not agree with Bush on most issues". There is nothing wrong with that. The point is they supported him in the tough times after 9/11, with few exceptions.
Do you think the far right would support Obama if, God forbid, we were attacked again?

I think most of the country would pull together once again, and I assume that the Pam Gellers of the world, who would rush to the attack, would be irrelevent.

It's the Republican politican operatives I don't know about at this point, and that does scare me.

724 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:35:59pm

re: #704 blueraven

It shouldn't come as much of a surprise that the left "did not agree with Bush on most issues". There is nothing wrong with that. The point is they supported him in the tough times after 9/11, with few exceptions.
Do you think the far right would support Obama if, God forbid, we were attacked again?

We all know the fucking answer to that.

If we were attacked again, I think it would be a flashpoint for domestic right wing terrorism. These people who believe Obama's a Muslim? If we're hit again, they'll be convinced he's behind it. A hundred McVeighs who think Obama's trying to blow up America.

725 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:36:14pm

Supper... be back to annoy everyone in a few minutes... and then off to work for a 4 hour shift... late shift... until 11:30pm.... strangely late shift... don't know who fucked with the schedule.

726 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:36:16pm

re: #722 publicityStunted

Oh that's already happened. Remember the swing set Obama put up for them on the White House lawn? I remember a comment on a news website saying the girls "would look much better swinging from a tree." The other word used to describe them is one I won't repeat here.

wow

727 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:36:30pm

re: #714 PhillyPretzel

Ahh yes, I remeber. Hanging Chad, Dimpled Chad, and Pregnant Chad.

Ah yes as reading voter intent was reduced to voodoo with differing rules from moment to moment. And we still do not have effective enforcement of voting rules and regulations.

728 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:36:30pm

re: #713 LudwigVanQuixote

And that invalidates how... Tell you guys wht.

Here are the full stats:

[Link: www.bls.gov...]

Cross reference them with this:

April

[Link: www.washingtonmonthly.com...]

May

[Link: www.washingtonmonthly.com...]

And I am looking for the ones for July and August. It doesn't matter though because the source data is in the first link.

Here are the last nine months (there are no final August stats as it's ,,well, STILL August)

Notice the June / July numbers

Also notice all those "job gains" Jan-May

GOVERNMENT Jobs are in GRAY

PRIVATE sector , BLUE ,,,,

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

729 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:36:42pm

re: #723 SanFranciscoZionist

I think most of the country would pull together once again, and I assume that the Pam Gellers of the world, who would rush to the attack, would be irrelevent.

It's the Republican politican operatives I don't know about at this point, and that does scare me.

You're a lot more optimistic on this than me. :(

730 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:36:46pm

re: #714 PhillyPretzel

Ahh yes, I remeber. Hanging Chad, Dimpled Chad, and Pregnant Chad.

Dang typos. remember

731 bratwurst  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:36:51pm

re: #716 Stanley Sea

They have, many times, the worst being last year when they went to Africa.

And who could forget this monument to hypocrisy?

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

732 darthstar  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:36:57pm

re: #707 SanFranciscoZionist

The Bush girls got in some trouble for underage drinking, and as far as I can tell, have been model citizens ever since.

Gail Collins did a nice piece on the Bush girls, Chelsea Clinton, and Amy Carter recently...with an aside to Sarah Palin that her daughter could learn from their examples (go to college, find her own path, not be a public spectacle like her mother).

733 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:37:11pm

So satt and walter, care to comment on your ignorant, biased partisan cherry picking of data?

Come on give it a go.

I love it when the wingnuts hate the truth having a liberal bias.

734 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:37:16pm

re: #709 Stanley Sea

It was more hell being a Floridian.

I'd imagine!

735 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:37:55pm

re: #720 Walter L. Newton

Interesting that we have some mutes on this thread who are only capable of down dinging instead of actually joining into the conversation and saying something intelligent.

Probably asking for too much on my part?

It would be wonderful if you emulated them. I have yet to see you contribute something intelligent.

736 webevintage  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:38:18pm

re: #636 LudwigVanQuixote

You are right in many ways, but there are many things that the administration can point to.

The Obameter is always helpful:
[Link: politifact.com...]

and Maddow did a segment last month on the administrations accomplishments:

737 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:38:25pm

re: #721 LudwigVanQuixote

you manage to completely ignore the trend

See the "TREND" here

you manage to completely ignore the trend

January 2010 to July 2010

GOVERNMENT jobs ,,,

THATS the way to prosperity for the country!!

738 jayzee  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:38:43pm

re: #704 blueraven

It shouldn't come as much of a surprise that the left "did not agree with Bush on most issues". There is nothing wrong with that. The point is they supported him in the tough times after 9/11, with few exceptions.
Do you think the far right would support Obama if, God forbid, we were attacked again?

Yes.

Though, the populace rallied around Bush. The politicians remained politicians.

739 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:38:51pm

re: #662 SanFranciscoZionist

Best of luck, tomorrow btw. First day, am I right?

740 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:38:54pm

re: #725 Walter L. Newton

Supper... be back to annoy everyone in a few minutes... and then off to work for a 4 hour shift... late shift... until 11:30pm... strangely late shift... don't know who fucked with the schedule.

George Bush!

741 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:39:13pm

re: #722 publicityStunted

Oh that's already happened. Remember the swing set Obama put up for them on the White House lawn? I remember a comment on a news website saying the girls "would look much better swinging from a tree." The other word used to describe them is one I won't repeat here.

Oh, holy Mother of God.

I assume the Secret Service came a-calling?

Not much shocks me these days, but that put my heartrate up.

742 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:39:33pm

re: #721 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #737 sattv4u2


you manage to completely ignore the trend

See the "TREND" here

you manage to completely ignore the trend

January 2010 to July 2010

GOVERNMENT jobs ,,,

THATS the way to prosperity for the country!!

(((forgot the linky)))

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

743 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:39:49pm

re: #737 sattv4u2


you manage to completely ignore the trend

See the "TREND" here

you manage to completely ignore the trend

January 2010 to July 2010

GOVERNMENT jobs ,,,

THATS the way to prosperity for the country!!

extra administrators to cover the unemployment benefits having to be paid because of catastrophic economic mismanagement by the previous administration?

744 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:40:44pm

I confess I still did not like Bush, even after 9/11. I don't care for him at all. I will call out good things he did, however.

745 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:40:56pm

re: #723 SanFranciscoZionist

I think most of the country would pull together once again, and I assume that the Pam Gellers of the world, who would rush to the attack, would be irrelevent.

It's the Republican politican operatives I don't know about at this point, and that does scare me.

Exactly. It sometimes seems that they are looking for an attack to get their new war on.

746 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:41:00pm

re: #728 sattv4u2

And that invalidates the growth how? They aren't all government jobs there kiddo and we aren't hemorrhaging them at an order of a hundred thousand a month like we were under Bush.

But way to shift the goal posts once you find the truth still has a liberal bias.

You guys really suck at this.

747 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:41:09pm

re: #743 wozzablog

extra administrators to cover the unemployment benefits having to be paid because of catastrophic economic mismanagement by the previous administration?

Nope ,,, all those jobs "created" Jan-May were mostly CENSUS workers

Notice the Gov't sector jobs LOST in June/ July

The gov;t giveth ,,, the gov't taketh away!

748 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:41:19pm

re: #739 prairiefire

Best of luck, tomorrow btw. First day, am I right?

Just back in the classroom. The kids don't come in until the 25th. I'll be lesson planning, doing meetings, decorating, all the training stuff you have to do.

749 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:41:23pm

re: #741 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, holy Mother of God.

I assume the Secret Service came a-calling?

Not much shocks me these days, but that put my heartrate up.

Indeed. That's just plain evil.

750 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:41:23pm

re: #744 prairiefire

I confess I still did not like Bush, even after 9/11. I don't care for him at all. I will call out good things he did, however.


His immigration ideas were very reasonable!

Then the GOP said NOOOO

751 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:41:33pm

re: #737 sattv4u2

So government jobs don't count as jobs.. Who knew?

752 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:42:19pm

re: #751 LudwigVanQuixote

So government jobs don't count as jobs.. Who knew?

There are a lot of teachers, firemen, cops, and construction workers who will find that quite surprising

753 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:42:22pm

re: #743 wozzablog

extra administrators to cover the unemployment benefits having to be paid because of catastrophic economic mismanagement by the previous administration?

i was typing that in the voice of Stewie from family guy.

754 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:42:53pm

re: #753 wozzablog


WHAT THE DEUCE

755 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:43:18pm

re: #751 LudwigVanQuixote

So government jobs don't count as jobs.. Who knew?

yup ,,,, they count ,,, gee,,, how to pay for them though!

Do they create any income??? hmmmm

Do they produce a marketable product ?? errrr

Do they provide a positive cash flow service !! aahhhh

756 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:43:40pm

re: #752 WindUpBird

There are a lot of teachers, firemen, cops, and construction workers who will find that quite surprising

they have to be PAID for SOMEHOW ,,, no !?!?!

757 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:43:41pm

re: #747 sattv4u2

Nope ,,, all those jobs "created" Jan-May were mostly CENSUS workers

Notice the Gov't sector jobs LOST in June/ July

The gov;t giveth ,,, the gov't taketh away!

Just so. Jobs aren't moving up fast enough to have an impact in November, if they are moving up at all. Businesses are nervous, and until they are more settled, they won't be hiring. Honestly, I think a GOP House would help the economy a moderate bit. Employers would feel more secure knowing they had more friends in Washington.

758 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:44:00pm

re: #751 LudwigVanQuixote

So government jobs don't count as jobs.. Who knew?

The lie that government don't create jobs is the dumbest fucking platform to stand on.

759 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:44:01pm

re: #755 sattv4u2

yup ,,, they count ,,, gee,,, how to pay for them though!

Do they create any income??? hmmm

Do they produce a marketable product ?? errr

Do they provide a positive cash flow service !! aahhh

mmmm Adam Smith orthodoxy

760 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:44:12pm

re: #747 sattv4u2

Nope ,,, all those jobs "created" Jan-May were mostly CENSUS workers

Notice the Gov't sector jobs LOST in June/ July

The gov;t giveth ,,, the gov't taketh away!

Complaining about hiring census workers?

or should we have outsourced that to private firms to hire people on a temprary basis?

761 swamprat  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:44:31pm

re: #666 LudwigVanQuixote

And yet the numbers are real.. wanna look at different source:

CHART OF THE DAY: It's Official: Obama Is Creaming Bush When It Comes To Jobs

[Link: www.businessinsider.com...]

Is business insider liberal garbage too?

Current unspun unemployment chart. Compare dates and times.

If it loads too slowly, just google "current unemployment rate." click on the top link.

762 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:44:45pm

re: #758 Amory Blaine

The lie that government don't create jobs is the dumbest fucking platform to stand on.

It;s sorta like arguing with dudes who think that the Queen of england is a reptile

At some point you just giggle and shrug and go okeydokey dude! Pass me that issue of Fortean Times

763 jayzee  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:45:34pm

re: #712 SanFranciscoZionist

Oooh. I love your art section. And I've been looking for a pretty painting of Kever Rachel for my 'office'.

I'll have some money someday, really!

re: #746 LudwigVanQuixote

And that invalidates the growth how? They aren't all government jobs there kiddo and we aren't hemorrhaging them at an order of a hundred thousand a month like we were under Bush.

But way to shift the goal posts once you find the truth still has a liberal bias.

You guys really suck at this.

I'd hold my own, but I think economics is one of the most over simplified and misunderstood of all "political" topics. Even economists have no friggin clue what's happening, but bloggers and politicians know everything.

764 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:45:35pm

re: #755 sattv4u2

And here we have the complete shift of goal posts when proven false. The one thing that is really different from the partisans here and the others is the ability to acknowledge a point.

765 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:45:49pm

re: #757 Dark_Falcon

If the GOP gets elected-- the real GOP, the one that actually exists right now, the one that's going insane about the mosque-- you really think they're going to go ahead with good, sober, rational economic policy?

I really doubt it. I think it's going to be SoCon agenda, with a large focus on anything and everything anti-science, with some Paulian/Austrian economics thrown in as well.

Which is why I'm hoping they don't make as many gains as they probably will.

766 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:45:52pm

re: #762 WindUpBird

It;s sorta like arguing with dudes who think that the Queen of england is a reptile

At some point you just giggle and shrug and go okeydokey dude! Pass me that issue of Fortean Times

Oh come on - not even the Fortean Times supports trickledown economic theory - thats wayyy too fucking nuts for them.

768 blueraven  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:46:01pm

re: #737 sattv4u2


you manage to completely ignore the trend

See the "TREND" here

you manage to completely ignore the trend

January 2010 to July 2010

GOVERNMENT jobs ,,,

THATS the way to prosperity for the country!!

We have also added more manufacturing jobs than in a very long time. Also, productivity is down for the first time in ages, which means companies will have to hire soon.

769 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:46:17pm

re: #765 Obdicut

If the GOP gets elected-- the real GOP, the one that actually exists right now, the one that's going insane about the mosque-- you really think they're going to go ahead with good, sober, rational economic policy?

I really doubt it. I think it's going to be SoCon agenda, with a large focus on anything and everything anti-science, with some Paulian/Austrian economics thrown in as well.

Which is why I'm hoping they don't make as many gains as they probably will.

Newt Gingrichoids, wheee

770 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:46:22pm

re: #743 wozzablog

So w give Clinton the credit for that great economy the internet gave us and blame Bush for the crashed economy which was a result of banks and securities misdeeds.

Arthur Andersen, Enron, housing crash, all were caused by bad or criminal business policies. The President had little control over Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, or Fannie and Freddie. Yet we point to presidents because that's all our teeny little talking points can grasp. It's almost never the Presidents economy good or bad.

I have long thought the Office Of The President is the single most overrated factor in the economy. Makes for great cable ratings and wingnut/monnbat site visits though.

771 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:46:23pm

re: #748 SanFranciscoZionist

Decorating, I love old school classroom decorations.[Link: vintagehalloweendecorations.org...]

772 jayzee  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:46:34pm

re: #763 jayzee

Sorry, two separate posts. Check out Yoram Gal's stuff. I like it.

773 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:46:42pm

re: #760 wozzablog

Complaining about hiring census workers?

or should we have outsourced that to private firms to hire people on a temprary basis?

waytomissthepoint

THE discussion was about (as Ludwig claimed) "job loss has been turned around and we are actually recovering

No, it has NOT ,,, that "job loss turned around" was because of a TEMPORARY increase in Gov;t jobs due to the census

774 Amory Blaine  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:47:07pm

re: #765 Obdicut

If the GOP gets elected-- the real GOP, the one that actually exists right now, the one that's going insane about the mosque-- you really think they're going to go ahead with good, sober, rational economic policy?

I really doubt it. I think it's going to be SoCon agenda, with a large focus on anything and everything anti-science, with some Paulian/Austrian economics thrown in as well.

Which is why I'm hoping they don't make as many gains as they probably will.

This so called "real conservative" leadership exists only in the true believers mind.

775 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:47:11pm

Preventing Plagarism[Link: www.smilemakers.com...]

776 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:47:18pm

You know? I saw an absolute direct correlation with economy and the gas prices going bat shit. It was like someone turned off the spigot. People just stopped spending money.

I thought the price spike damaged the economy more than 911.

777 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:47:22pm

re: #763 jayzee

re: #746 LudwigVanQuixote

I'd hold my own, but I think economics is one of the most over simplified and misunderstood of all "political" topics. Even economists have no friggin clue what's happening, but bloggers and politicians know everything.

Well said. I'm simply pointing out that the job loss numbers which are a measurable quantity which is really not subject to as much speculation, as in they have a job or not, have been turned around.

Saying that those jobs somehow don't count is another discussion.

778 Interesting Times  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:47:28pm

re: #741 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh, holy Mother of God.

I assume the Secret Service came a-calling?

Not much shocks me these days, but that put my heartrate up.

It was sickening. I just sat, staring at the screen, wondering where the *hell* CNN's website moderators were. Finally they got around to deleting it and putting up a disclaimer on the article itself.

And let's not forget this. Attacks against Obama's daughters, sadly, are nothing new.

779 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:47:29pm

re: #757 Dark_Falcon

Just so. Jobs aren't moving up fast enough to have an impact in November, if they are moving up at all. Businesses are nervous, and until they are more settled, they won't be hiring. Honestly, I think a GOP House would help the economy a moderate bit. Employers would feel more secure knowing they had more friends in Washington.


Which employers? I know employers, guys who own restaurants, guys who own bars, guys who make games, and they sure as shit don't believe they have friends in the GOP.

780 webevintage  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:47:41pm

re: #752 WindUpBird

There are a lot of teachers, firemen, cops, and construction workers who will find that quite surprising

Boehner derides police officers and teachers as ‘special interests.’
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Personally I think a job is a job.
People with jobs (be it public or private) buy houses, pay their bills and shop.

781 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:47:58pm

re: #768 blueraven

We have also added more manufacturing jobs than in a very long time. Also, productivity is down for the first time in ages, which means companies will have to hire soon.

Thank you. More of that liberally biased truth.

782 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:48:14pm

re: #755 sattv4u2

yup ,,, they count ,,, gee,,, how to pay for them though!

Do they create any income??? hmmm

Do they produce a marketable product ?? errr

Do they provide a positive cash flow service !! aahhh

Shhh. You'll upset the consensus that liberal economics can be made to work.

/dripping

783 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:48:28pm

re: #764 LudwigVanQuixote

And here we have the complete shift of goal posts when proven false. The one thing that is really different from the partisans here and the others is the ability to acknowledge a point.

I shifted the goal posts!?!?!

YOU stated "job loss has been turned around and we are actually recovering
I proved that wrong (it was because of a TEMPORARY increase in Gov;t jobs due to the census)

Those are now GONE again

Numbers for the last two months are ONCE AGAIN DOWN
Numbers for the 1st two weeks of August are again DOWN

784 prairiefire  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:48:40pm

re: #776 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You know? I saw an absolute direct correlation with economy and the gas prices going bat shit. It was like someone turned off the spigot. People just stopped spending money.

I thought the price spike damaged the economy more than 911.

The housing bubble, the credit crises happened soon after. Shit hit the fan.

785 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:48:45pm

Image: ballot_official.gif


Oh I'm remembering some others that were fantastic but can't find them.

Memories

786 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:48:56pm

re: #770 Rightwingconspirator

I have long thought the Office Of The President is the single most overrated factor in the economy. Makes for great cable ratings and wingnut/monnbat site visits though.

I would say that's true, but not overrated when it comes to the tools of coping with a down economy

See: GOP delaying unemployment benefits

787 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:49:08pm

re: #784 prairiefire

I just think that's where it started.

788 webevintage  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:49:20pm

re: #778 publicityStunted

It was sickening. I just sat, staring at the screen, wondering where the *hell* CNN's website moderators were. Finally they got around to deleting it and putting up a disclaimer on the article itself.

And let's not forget this. Attacks against Obama's daughters, sadly, are nothing new.

I think blogs and news site should just close the comments for any story they post that involves the girls in anyway.
There are just too many horrible, ugly people on the internet.

789 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:49:22pm

re: #782 Dark_Falcon

Shhh. You'll upset the consensus that liberal economics can be made to work.

/dripping

Do you buy Reagan's trickledown? Really? :D

790 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:49:29pm

re: #777 LudwigVanQuixote

Focusing on the Office of the President for jobs is much akin to putting air in the tire because your car overheats or stalls.

791 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:49:52pm

re: #782 Dark_Falcon

Shhh. You'll upset the consensus that liberal economics can be made to work.

/dripping

What the hell are 'liberal economics', Dark?

Non-Austrian?

792 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:49:57pm

re: #703 Walter L. Newton

re: #687 sattv4u2

Well you didn't like it when it was from TPM, so I thought business insider would remove the liberal taint.

LOL you guys are really pathetic here.

793 Four More Tears  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:50:00pm

re: #789 WindUpBird

Do you buy Reagan's trickledown? Really? :D

Hook, line, and sinker.

794 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:50:11pm

re: #785 Stanley Sea

I remember thinking that everyone in the state of Florida must've been incompetent to the point of ... well... not competent.

795 blueraven  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:50:18pm

re: #770 Rightwingconspirator

So w give Clinton the credit for that great economy the internet gave us and blame Bush for the crashed economy which was a result of banks and securities misdeeds.

Arthur Andersen, Enron, housing crash, all were caused by bad or criminal business policies. The President had little control over Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, or Fannie and Freddie. Yet we point to presidents because that's all our teeny little talking points can grasp. It's almost never the Presidents economy good or bad.

I have long thought the Office Of The President is the single most overrated factor in the economy. Makes for great cable ratings and wingnut/monnbat site visits though.

Well that may be true in normal times, but cutting taxes in the middle of two wars and adding a huge unfunded medicare benefit all at once, didn't help the economy.

796 What, me worry?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:50:19pm

re: #780 webevintage

Boehner derides police officers and teachers as ‘special interests.’
[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

Personally I think a job is a job.
People with jobs (be it public or private) buy houses, pay their bills and shop.

Some jobs mean a little more. Police officers and teachers should probably be making 6 figures a year, but it doesn't work like that.

797 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:50:20pm

re: #791 Obdicut

What the hell are 'liberal economics', Dark?

Non-Austrian?

RON PAUL WHEEEE

798 swamprat  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:50:27pm

re: #764 LudwigVanQuixote

We have those sorts here, also.

799 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:50:34pm

re: #770 Rightwingconspirator

So w give Clinton the credit for that great economy the internet gave us and blame Bush for the crashed economy which was a result of banks and securities misdeeds.

Arthur Andersen, Enron, housing crash, all were caused by bad or criminal business policies. The President had little control over Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, or Fannie and Freddie. Yet we point to presidents because that's all our teeny little talking points can grasp. It's almost never the Presidents economy good or bad.

I have long thought the Office Of The President is the single most overrated factor in the economy. Makes for great cable ratings and wingnut/monnbat site visits though.

Massive deregulation of equities - and a laissez faire attitude to all government over sight of the money markets under the last administration was certainly no help.

800 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:50:57pm

re: #786 WindUpBird

The last delay was a struggle to get the benefits paid for. Via stimulus monies instead of emergency off budget funding. Not a bad idea at all really. Pay as you go.

801 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:51:41pm

re: #783 sattv4u2

I shifted the goal posts!?!?!

YOU stated "job loss has been turned around and we are actually recovering
I proved that wrong (it was because of a TEMPORARY increase in Gov;t jobs due to the census)

Those are now GONE again

Numbers for the last two months are ONCE AGAIN DOWN
Numbers for the 1st two weeks of August are again DOWN

But vastly better than they were before.

Of course that would require looking at overall trends like a grown up and not cherry picking or shifting goal posts. I really am laughing at the way you are flailing BTW.

802 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:51:42pm

re: #778 publicityStunted

It was sickening. I just sat, staring at the screen, wondering where the *hell* CNN's website moderators were. Finally they got around to deleting it and putting up a disclaimer on the article itself.

And let's not forget this. Attacks against Obama's daughters, sadly, are nothing new.

I miss so much by only going to nice neighborhoods on the Internet.

803 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:51:43pm

re: #767 WindUpBird

They're setting it up, it's getting exciting

If you're going to be making "robot men" for that, try to make some them as Battletech minis. Here in Chicago we have a lot of gamers who'd pay for well painted miniatures.

804 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:51:45pm

re: #792 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #687 sattv4u2

Well you didn't like it when it was from TPM, so I thought business insider would remove the liberal taint.

LOL you guys are really pathetic here.

I linked it from CNN, that well known Conservative place!!

June ,,, July ,, DOWN ,, MOST of the "jobs created" Jan -May were GOv"T Jobs

Most of THOSE were Census jobs

THOSE are gone,, not to come back for another 9+ years

805 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:52:16pm

re: #800 Rightwingconspirator

The last delay was a struggle to get the benefits paid for. Via stimulus monies instead of emergency off budget funding. Not a bad idea at all really. Pay as you go.

I don't buy the pay as you go thing when it's an ameregency, which it was.

Pay as you go wouldn't fly if we were hit by Al Quaeda again, and it shouldnt' fly when people's lives are on the precipice of being ruined because what minute income that they have left is being cut off.

806 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:52:33pm

re: #800 Rightwingconspirator

The last delay was a struggle to get the benefits paid for. Via stimulus monies instead of emergency off budget funding. Not a bad idea at all really. Pay as you go.

PAYGO - exactly what they tried to do with the 9/11 survivors/rescuers fund - the GOP threw in an immigration clause because the Dems wanted it to be paid for.

The GOP do not want PAYGO.

807 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:52:52pm

re: #802 SanFranciscoZionist

I miss so much by only going to nice neighborhoods on the Internet.

I come from the drug-soaked junk heap of the internet. The culture of LGF is REAL unusual to me.

808 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:52:58pm

re: #799 wozzablog

Massive deregulation of equities - and a laissez faire attitude to all government over sight of the money markets under the last administration was certainly no help.

Sure that is the next failure. But failed oversight should not be confused with the initial bad or criminal policies. But we may or may not want to blame the cops for every crime wave. But that exactly is what politics does.

809 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:53:24pm

re: #806 wozzablog

PAYGO - exactly what they tried to do with the 9/11 survivors/rescuers fund - the GOP threw in an immigration clause because the Dems wanted it to be paid for.

The GOP do not want PAYGO.

lol

810 webevintage  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:53:29pm

GOP should rethink opposition to health care's cost-control board
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

811 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:53:31pm

re: #801 LudwigVanQuixote

But vastly better than they were before.

Of course that would require looking at overall trends like a grown up and not cherry picking or shifting goal posts. I really am laughing at the way you are flailing BTW.

"flailing"

From my link

but hiring by businesses was also weak, as those employers added only 71,000 jobs in July.

"The job market has lost steam and remains lethargic," said Sung Won Sohn, economics professor at Cal State University Channel Islands.

Businesses have now added jobs in every month so far this year, a total of 630,000 positions. But that works out to an anemic 90,000 a month. There needs to be an overall gain of about 150,000 jobs per month just to keep pace with population growth.

812 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:53:33pm

re: #778 publicityStunted

It was sickening. I just sat, staring at the screen, wondering where the *hell* CNN's website moderators were. Finally they got around to deleting it and putting up a disclaimer on the article itself.

And let's not forget this. Attacks against Obama's daughters, sadly, are nothing new.

The tale of the young woman who got her ass kicked for wearing the "Obama is my slave" shirt is quite interesting. She sued the designer?

813 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:53:46pm

re: #773 sattv4u2

waytomissthepoint

Way for you to not have a point in the first place - but go ahead and ignore private sector and manufacturing hires and ignore the lag between hiring and recovery.

Really sharp of you.

814 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:54:13pm

re: #808 Rightwingconspirator

Sure that is the next failure. But failed oversight should not be confused with the initial bad or criminal policies. But we may or may not want to blame the cops for every crime wave. But that exactly is what politics does.

I blame political philosophies in the macro sense. I just get this idea that the GOP is not really that interested in financial oversight over the long term.

815 Four More Tears  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:54:34pm

Oh for...Yes, the Census jobs are gone. Those who were employed by it were paid with real American money that probably ended helping put food on your goddamn table (I know it worked its way into my hands), so why are we complaining about "Census job" again?

816 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:54:57pm

re: #813 LudwigVanQuixote

Way for you to not have a point in the first place - but go ahead and ignore private sector and manufacturing hires and ignore the lag between hiring and recovery.

Really sharp of you.

see #811

no ,, as a matter of fact ,, i'll repeat it

but hiring by businesses was also weak, as those employers added only 71,000 jobs in July.

"The job market has lost steam and remains lethargic," said Sung Won Sohn, economics professor at Cal State University Channel Islands.

Businesses have now added jobs in every month so far this year, a total of 630,000 positions. But that works out to an anemic 90,000 a month. There needs to be an overall gain of about 150,000 jobs per month just to keep pace with population growth.

817 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:55:05pm

re: #812 SanFranciscoZionist

The tale of the young woman who got her ass kicked for wearing the "Obama is my slave" shirt is quite interesting. She sued the designer?

bwahahahaha

People are so hilarious and dumb

818 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:55:13pm

re: #799 wozzablog

To be fair:

The financial markets are an evolutionary system. They will adapt to any non-evolutionary regulation. All regulation does is change the environment; they will shift around to a new confirmation that maximizes profit in the new environment, and any non-evolutionary regulation will always eventually fail, just as if a species never evolved its immune system, bacteria and viruses would overwhelm it.

True evolutionary regulation is probably beyond both our mathematical capabilities and our political capabilities right now, but we should acknowledge that there's no set of regulations that will prevent the financial markets from assuming a dangerous confirmation-- it's inevitable, when regulations are static.

819 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:55:20pm

re: #805 WindUpBird
Yes it does, or should. We have a huge defense and homeland security budget. The government must quit hiding spending. See setting aside monies for emergencies is good policy. Suddenly borrowing for them is bad policy. Simple really.

820 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:56:08pm

re: #814 WindUpBird

I blame political philosophies in the macro sense. I just get this idea that the GOP is not really that interested in financial oversight over the long term.

Neither party is. Hence the growing number of fiscal conservatives as independents. Like me.

821 blueraven  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:56:14pm

re: #804 sattv4u2

I linked it from CNN, that well known Conservative place!!

June ,,, July ,, DOWN ,, MOST of the "jobs created" Jan -May were GOv"T Jobs

Most of THOSE were Census jobs

THOSE are gone,, not to come back for another 9+ years

Yes they are gone now, and it wasn't MOST jobs created. The trend is still better than it was. Nobody said it would be straight up with no bums in the road.

I swear sometimes I think some secretly hope for bad job numbers and fail to see any of the good.

822 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:56:20pm

re: #818 Obdicut

Constant oversight and constant adjustments by very smart and very vigilant people is basically what I like to see.

People who DON'T COME FROM THE BOARDROOMS OF THE THING THEY'RE REGULATING PLZ

823 Racer X  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:56:28pm

re: #789 WindUpBird

Do you buy Reagan's trickledown? Really? :D

In theory, Trickle Down Economics should work just fine. You provide incentives for companies to grow and expand. They do, hire more workers, and produce / consume more products. Jobs are created. Wealth grows.

Then you tax the hell out of them when they are doing really well!

824 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:56:29pm

re: #796 marjoriemoon

Some jobs mean a little more. Police officers and teachers should probably be making 6 figures a year, but it doesn't work like that.

We know that going in!

825 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:56:59pm

re: #818 Obdicut

Good post!

826 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:57:10pm

re: #820 Rightwingconspirator

Neither party is. Hence the growing number of fiscal conservatives as independents. Like me.

yeah, sorry, i don't agree, Democrats aren't great at it, but Republicans are worthless at it

The difference is a shitty Ford Escort versus an overturned truck on fire

827 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:57:13pm

re: #811 sattv4u2

Duder, why can't you just let the numbers speak for themselves?

You even cherry pick from your own cherry picking.

Look at this sentence which you quoted:

Businesses have now added jobs in every month so far this year, a total of 630,000 positions. But that works out to an anemic 90,000 a month.

OK what was it like before? Care to look at the numbers?

IT WAS NEGATIVE BEFORE! WE ARE STILL GAINING JOBS RATHER THAN LOSING THEM LIKE BEFORE! THAT IS A TURN AROUND.

Sorry for the all caps, but sometimes you need a baseball bat for the willful blindness.

828 Four More Tears  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:57:25pm

re: #824 SanFranciscoZionist

We know that going in!

There something else, though...

The pony that they promised you? It's a lie.

829 sagehen  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:57:29pm

re: #713 LudwigVanQuixote

And that invalidates how... Tell you guys wht.

Here are the full stats:

[Link: www.bls.gov...]

Cross reference them with this:

April

[Link: www.washingtonmonthly.com...]

May

[Link: www.washingtonmonthly.com...]

And I am looking for the ones for July and August. It doesn't matter though because the source data is in the first link.


If you'd like it in graph form, here's 10 years worth

As you can see, Bush-era job growth was pretty anemic even before the recession kicked in. (expand it to include the Clinton years, the contrast is pretty stunning).

830 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:57:43pm

re: #822 WindUpBird

Yes. Human beings, unlike static regulatory rules, are capable of evolving thought.

Then the question becomes how to create a system of oversight that has enough power to actually control the markets without becoming either immediately corrupt or strangling the economy through over-directedness.

It's at least the right question.

831 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:58:27pm

re: #821 blueraven

Yes they are gone now, and it wasn't MOST jobs created. The trend is still better than it was. Nobody said it would be straight up with no bums in the road.

I swear sometimes I think some secretly hope for bad job numbers and fail to see any of the good.

Sorry ,, you're incorrect

look at the chart
GREY is gov't jobs
You think it's just a coincidence that in June and July they lost as many as they gained in the 5 previous months?

iirc ,, the census was wrapping up in (wait for it) June and July

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

832 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:58:34pm

re: #816 sattv4u2

See 827. You still can't read a graph. I am not surprised. Such skills are apparantly lost on the GOP types.

Businesses have now added jobs in every month so far this year, a total of 630,000 positions.

Your quote which you quoted twice!

OK what was it like before? Care to look at the numbers?

IT WAS NEGATIVE BEFORE! WE ARE STILL GAINING JOBS RATHER THAN LOSING THEM LIKE BEFORE! THAT IS A TURN AROUND.

833 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:58:44pm

re: #828 JasonA

There something else, though...

The pony that they promised you? It's a lie.

I never really wanted a pony.

834 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:59:13pm

re: #829 sagehen

If you'd like it in graph form, here's 10 years worth

As you can see, Bush-era job growth was pretty anemic even before the recession kicked in. (expand it to include the Clinton years, the contrast is pretty stunning).

Awesome post.

835 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:59:22pm

re: #812 SanFranciscoZionist

The tale of the young woman who got her ass kicked for wearing the "Obama is my slave" shirt is quite interesting. She sued the designer?

She was asking to have her ass kicked if she was dumb enough to wear a shirt like that in public. Them's fightin' words.

836 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:59:34pm

re: #832 LudwigVanQuixote

See 827. You still can't read a graph. I am not surprised. Such skills are apparantly lost on the GOP types.

Businesses have now added jobs in every month so far this year, a total of 630,000 positions.

Your quote which you quoted twice!

OK what was it like before? Care to look at the numbers?

IT WAS NEGATIVE BEFORE! WE ARE STILL GAINING JOBS RATHER THAN LOSING THEM LIKE BEFORE! THAT IS A TURN AROUND.

You're going to get nowhere on this with him, he's all dug in

837 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 4:59:47pm

re: #821 blueraven

Yes they are gone now, and it wasn't MOST jobs created. The trend is still better than it was. Nobody said it would be straight up with no bums in the road.

I swear sometimes I think some secretly hope for bad job numbers and fail to see any of the good.

"With the stimulus, they predicted the unemployment rate would peak at just under 8 percent in 2009."

838 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:00:22pm

re: #826 WindUpBird

I could bare less about either party. Neither deserves any accolades. Your analogy is perfect, because it shows neither is getting the policy fixed.

839 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:00:27pm

re: #837 Walter L. Newton

"With the stimulus, they predicted the unemployment rate would peak at just under 8 percent in 2009."

((ssshhhhhh,,, we're "recovering!!))))))

840 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:00:31pm

re: #836 WindUpBird

You're going to get nowhere on this with him, he's all dug in

Yes that is the joy of arguing with the GOP. They don't believe in numbers.

841 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:00:52pm

re: #808 Rightwingconspirator

Sure that is the next failure. But failed oversight should not be confused with the initial bad or criminal policies. But we may or may not want to blame the cops for every crime wave. But that exactly is what politics does.

when the people in charge of the chicken coop go AWOL the foxes make mischief.
Laissez fair regulation was de-facto policy of the last admin. A thorough overhaul of existing regs was needed to cope with the burgeoning new derivatives and new regulations needed to be considered.

Unfortunately the Dems didn't regain control congress until 2007 to try and start regulating the markets again.

842 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:01:12pm

re: #836 WindUpBird

You're going to get nowhere on this with him, he's all dug in

TRANSLATION ,, he's correct ,,,, we are NOT in a recovery yet!

843 webevintage  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:01:41pm

re: #839 sattv4u2

((ssshhh,,, we're "recovering!!)))

we are.
just slower then predicted.
but you keep your narrative if it makes you feel better.

844 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:02:01pm

re: #840 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes that is the joy of arguing with the GOP. They don't believe in numbers.

I do

I love that we stayed at 8% unemployment because we passed the Stimulus Bill!

oh ,, wait ,, damn!!

845 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:02:06pm

re: #837 Walter L. Newton

So this is Walter dance move 5.

He just had his ass handed to him five different ways, so he snarks about something else.

Next he will type Yawn.

Really, it's like an animatronic from Disneyland.

846 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:02:15pm

re: #819 Rightwingconspirator

Yes it does, or should. We have a huge defense and homeland security budget. The government must quit hiding spending. See setting aside monies for emergencies is good policy. Suddenly borrowing for them is bad policy. Simple really.

it's bad policy, but the time to stand up for abstract policy ideology is not over unemployment benefits, that's the very definition of Not The Time

It's like scolding someone lying on the ground after they've been hit by a car instead of calling 911. "You shoulda looked both ways! Durp de durp! Don't you feel dumb?"

847 Racer X  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:02:32pm

re: #840 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes that is the joy of arguing with the GOP. They don't believe in numbers.

*hands LVQ a broader brush to paint with*

;-)

Hows it goin dude?

848 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:02:41pm

re: #843 webevintage

we are.
just slower then predicted.

but you keep your narrative if it makes you feel better.

tell that to the chronically unemployed

They'll be heartened!

849 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:02:46pm

re: #844 sattv4u2

I do

I love that we stayed at 8% unemployment because we passed the Stimulus Bill!

oh ,, wait ,, damn!!

"In the past week, the administration has acknowledged its projections were wrong."

[Link: www.politifact.com...]

850 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:02:47pm

re: #835 Dark_Falcon

She was asking to have her ass kicked if she was dumb enough to wear a shirt like that in public. Them's fightin' words.

Evidently she felt that the t-shirt designer should have had a warning label on his shirts that said you might get your ass kicked if you were a racist out in public.

851 Four More Tears  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:02:52pm

re: #845 LudwigVanQuixote

So this is Walter dance move 5.

He just had his ass handed to him five different ways, so he snarks about something else.

Next he will type Yawn.

Really, it's like an animatronic from Disneyland.

They're more easily mistaken for real people.

852 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:02:52pm

re: #816 sattv4u2

but hiring by businesses was also weak, as those employers added only 71,000 jobs in July.

I am going to guess you didn't read Ludwig's links. If you did, this silly argument would not be happening.

853 allegro  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:02:56pm
re: #789 WindUpBird

Do you buy Reagan's trickledown golden shower? Really? :D

More like it.

854 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:03:21pm

re: #850 SanFranciscoZionist

Evidently she felt that the t-shirt designer should have had a warning label on his shirts that said you might get your ass kicked if you were a racist out in public.

She probably also favors tort reform as a solution to health care, and has no sense of irony.

855 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:03:22pm

re: #845 LudwigVanQuixote

So this is Walter dance move 5.

He just had his ass handed to him five different ways, so he snarks about something else.

Next he will type Yawn.

Really, it's like an animatronic from Disneyland.

{Belch}... excuse me, did you say something?

856 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:03:23pm

re: #822 WindUpBird

Constant oversight and constant adjustments by very smart and very vigilant people is basically what I like to see.

People who DON'T COME FROM THE BOARDROOMS OF THE THING THEY'RE REGULATING PLZ

That would actually make businesses timid and risk-averse. They'd fear taking any chances least they be second-guessed by the law. You have to give companies some room to take chances.

857 Four More Tears  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:03:38pm

re: #853 allegro

More like it.

So dirty!

858 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:03:46pm

re: #852 Reginald Perrin

I am going to guess you didn't read Ludwig's links. If you did, this silly argument would not be happening.

I did read them

i'm going to guess you (nor he) read mine!

(hey ,, I like this two way street!!)

859 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:03:46pm

re: #843 webevintage

we are.
just slower then predicted.
but you keep your narrative if it makes you feel better.

Economic growth has returned, job growth is slower than people'd like, but that will rebound when demand picks back up.
Demand in the economy is still sluggish - so firms will not hire as quickly.

860 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:03:49pm

re: #826 WindUpBird

It's worth pointing out at least single republican governor (Ca) wants money set aside for emergencies as a deliberate part of the budget. How many democratic governors can say that?

861 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:03:55pm

re: #841 wozzablog

when the people in charge of the chicken coop go AWOL the foxes make mischief.
Laissez fair regulation was de-facto policy of the last admin. A thorough overhaul of existing regs was needed to cope with the burgeoning new derivatives and new regulations needed to be considered.

Unfortunately the Dems didn't regain control congress until 2007 to try and start regulating the markets again.

And of course, since they inherited this rats nest of shit, then they're trying to figure it out, of course, they're blamed for not being magical faerie wizards who can wave a wand and make the entire gigantic world-wide ball of shit allll betterrr

862 Racer X  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:05:01pm

re: #849 Walter L. Newton

"In the past week, the administration has acknowledged its projections were wrong."

[Link: www.politifact.com...]

Heh. The sugar-frosted Unicorn factory is still not ready for production.

863 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:05:01pm

re: #845 LudwigVanQuixote

re: #851 JasonA

When loosing a debate, start calling names...

864 blueraven  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:05:11pm

re: #831 sattv4u2

Sorry ,, you're incorrect

look at the chart
GREY is gov't jobs
You think it's just a coincidence that in June and July they lost as many as they gained in the 5 previous months?

iirc ,, the census was wrapping up in (wait for it) June and July

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

You said most jobs Jan-May were govt jobs. I dont see that.

"Businesses have now added jobs in every month so far this year, a total of 630,000 positions"

865 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:06:01pm

re: #861 WindUpBird


Unfortunately the Dems didn't regain control congress until 2007 to try and start regulating the markets again.


And of course, since they inherited this rats nest of shit, then they're trying to figure it out, of course, they're blamed for not being magical faerie wizards who can wave a wand and make the entire gigantic world-wide ball of shit alll betterrr

So the Dems have been in charge since 2007 (just before all this started ,,, fancy that) ,,

Bush's fault !

866 Four More Tears  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:06:10pm

re: #863 Walter L. Newton

re: #851 JasonA

When loosing a debate, start calling names...

Or say "Yawn."

867 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:06:18pm

re: #844 sattv4u2

I do

I love that we stayed at 8% unemployment because we passed the Stimulus Bill!

oh ,, wait ,, damn!!

Ummm duder, job losses have been overall turned around. That si a different question than enough growth to keep up with the population.

But, we are none the less gaining jobs rather than losing them overall.

And yet again, you change the goalposts and shift your BS to something else.

By any measure, Obama is repairing the damage of Bush.

Because the real root of your point is destroyed by the fact that Bush's job growth wasn't enough either. You can see that in the graphs that Sahegen posted.

You lost this one man.

Just face it, and look at the numbers and stop trying to make crap up.

868 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:06:22pm

re: #856 Dark_Falcon

That would actually make businesses timid and risk-averse. They'd fear taking any chances least they be second-guessed by the law. You have to give companies some room to take chances.

I want mortgage lenders to be risk adverse, DF. Like they sued to be. When you had to

wait for it


wait

PROVE YOUR INCOME TO BUY A HOUSE.

You know that's what happened, right? Lenders TOOK CHANCES. They stopped becoming risk adverse, and the people selling the mortgages were not the people olding the note on the mortgage.

This is PRECISELY what I'm talking about.

Your ideology seems completely immune to experience, or facts or observation about what is actually happening here, In America.

869 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:06:24pm

re: #856 Dark_Falcon

That would actually make businesses timid and risk-averse. They'd fear taking any chances least they be second-guessed by the law. You have to give companies some room to take chances.

That's not true, Dark. You're talking about 'business' as a whole, but what's being talked about is effectively meta-business, the capital markets, banks, lending, the whole enchilada that the government already is deeply entrenched in-- and can't not be entrenched in, given that money exists because the government exists and is stable.

We're not talking about a room of yeggheads sitting around making sure that regulations for chihuahua leashes are being constantly updated with the latest info on neck size and allergic reactions, but people actually noticing that, say, the financial markets are building a giant house of cards based on the premise that housing prices will continually go up and bear no inherent risk.

870 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:06:58pm

re: #864 blueraven

You said most jobs Jan-May were govt jobs. I dont see that.

"Mike Shires at the Pepperdine School of Public Policy, who develops the survey, calls it "an awful year." Making it even worse, the source of new jobs in almost all areas were either government employment or highly taxpayer-funded sectors like education and health. This year's best-performing regions were those that suffered the smallest losses in the private economy while bulking up on government steroids."

871 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:07:35pm

This is better than Wimbledon.

872 Four More Tears  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:08:04pm

re: #871 SanFranciscoZionist

This is better than Wimbledon.

Don't let Ace hear you say that.

873 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:08:11pm

re: #864 blueraven

You said most jobs Jan-May were govt jobs. I dont see that.

look
at
the
chart

Over 500,000 in April and May alone

PRIVATE ,, about 630,000 SINCE JANUARY TOTAL

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

874 The Shadow Do  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:08:28pm
I'll tell you what's wrong with it, my lad. 'E's dead, that's what's wrong with it!

No, no, 'e's uh,...he's resting.

Look, matey, I know a dead parrot when I see one, and I'm looking at one right now.

No no he's not dead, he's, he's restin'! Remarkable bird, the Norwegian Blue, isn'it, ay? Beautiful plumage!

The plumage don't enter into it. It's stone dead.

Nononono, no, no! 'E's resting!


Kind of rings like the current discussion on the economy and unemployment rate....

875 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:08:43pm

re: #864 blueraven

You said most jobs Jan-May were govt jobs. I dont see that.

"Job growth "is still not enough to make a real dent in the uncomfortably high unemployment rate anytime soon" said Meny Grauman, an economist at CIBC World Markets Inc in Toronto."

[Link: www.marketwatch.com...]

876 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:09:22pm

re: #865 sattv4u2

Unfortunately the Dems didn't regain control congress until 2007 to try and start regulating the markets again.

So the Dems have been in charge since 2007 (just before all this started ,,, fancy that) ,,

Bush's fault !

OH FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!!!!!!!!

the worthless marketised derivatives had been in circulation well before this "started" in 2007

877 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:09:24pm

re: #864 blueraven

re: #873 sattv4u2

look
at
the
chart

Over 500,000 GOV'T Jobs in April and May alone

PRIVATE ,, about 630,000 SINCE JANUARY TOTAL

[Link: money.cnn.com...]

pimf

878 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:09:28pm

re: #850 SanFranciscoZionist

Evidently she felt that the t-shirt designer should have had a warning label on his shirts that said you might get your ass kicked if you were a racist out in public.

Some people seem to thing its somebody else's fault that they lack good sense.

879 Wayne A. Schneider  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:09:33pm

Is there really that much money to be made being stupid, ignorant and hate-filled, as these right-wingers are? Is it really worth the price of one's soul to be like Pamela Geller?

880 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:10:01pm

re: #806 wozzablog

PAYGO - exactly what they tried to do with the 9/11 survivors/rescuers fund - the GOP threw in an immigration clause because the Dems wanted it to be paid for.

The GOP do not want PAYGO.

One more reason I'm not a republican. PAYGO is just good policy. Oh, BTW, its a darn shame the line item veto fails constitutional tests. But we must live with that limit on executive power.

881 sattv4u2  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:10:31pm

Ah well

If I'm going to keep MY job, I have to go do a couple of things

BBIAW

882 webevintage  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:11:07pm

Off to watch the new episode of MI-5 we tivo'd....
They really don't trust Americans, do they.

883 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:11:20pm

"Private-sector job growth doesn't look great, either
Last month, David Leonhardt was fairly positive on the jobs report even as many others were negative. This month, he isn't. "The economic recovery has lost significant steam in the last few months," he writes, and as evidence, points to the same indicator that the administration used as a basis for optimism: private-sector job growth. As the administration pointed out, compared with last month, it's up. But as Leonhardt pointed out, compared with the recent trend, it's down:"

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

884 Racer X  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:11:29pm
885 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:11:41pm

re: #865 sattv4u2

Unfortunately the Dems didn't regain control congress until 2007 to try and start regulating the markets again.

So the Dems have been in charge since 2007 (just before all this started ,,, fancy that) ,,

Bush's fault !

"just before all this started"

You know how crazy you sound?

Imagine a building run by an apartment manager.

A negligent apartment manager. We'll call him Tex. Doesn't do the fire codes, doesn't replace the asbestos, no pest control, no background checks on tenants, no nothing. Just makes money, allows methheads to run rampant, screw standards of living and safety.

Then Tex leaves! Perhaps Tex was fired.

New apartment manager comes in! His name is Cal. Starts looking around. Realizes that 60 units in his rental need to have everything stripped to the studs and replaced, that the whole complex is a tinderbox, ready to go up. Cal starts to fix this stuff, but it's years and years and years and years of neglect, so it takes a long time, and as it's being fixed, it's drawing attention to the true horror of all the problems in the complex. Cal of course gets all the blame for the building being shit, because now he's in charge! You're in charge, why are you in charge of such a shitty unit, Cal? Why haven't you done anything?!?!?!

So yeah.

886 Stanghazi  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:11:52pm

re: #838 Rightwingconspirator

I could bare less about either party. Neither deserves any accolades. Your analogy is perfect, because it shows neither is getting the policy fixed.


heh :)

887 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:11:54pm

re: #871 SanFranciscoZionist

This is better than Wimbledon.

This is my favorite thing at Wimbledon:

[Link: www.cannizarohouse.com...]

One of the last fancy hotels where they don't nickel-and-dime you.

888 Wozza Matter?  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:12:06pm

Ok, i'm off now for the night, i can only deal with so much unbelievable stupidity and utter ignorance of the consequences of cause and effect.

889 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:12:38pm

re: #888 wozzablog

Ok, i'm off now for the night, i can only deal with so much unbelievable stupidity and utter ignorance of the consequences of cause and effect.

And from Britian, wozzablog is signing off.

890 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:12:53pm

re: #869 Obdicut

That's not true, Dark. You're talking about 'business' as a whole, but what's being talked about is effectively meta-business, the capital markets, banks, lending, the whole enchilada that the government already is deeply entrenched in-- and can't not be entrenched in, given that money exists because the government exists and is stable.

We're not talking about a room of yeggheads sitting around making sure that regulations for chihuahua leashes are being constantly updated with the latest info on neck size and allergic reactions, but people actually noticing that, say, the financial markets are building a giant house of cards based on the premise that housing prices will continually go up and bear no inherent risk.

Well, that should be preventable without micromanagement. However, it was not something Congress had an interest in preventing. The Left saw low-income and minority home ownership going up, the Right saw increased profits for financial firms. It was a win-win. Then the bill came due...

891 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:13:05pm

re: #876 wozzablog

OH FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!

the worthless marketised derivatives had been in circulation well before this "started" in 2007

Stop pestering him with the truth. It has too much of a liberal bias.

I for one, think it is unfair to force people to debate on the basis of facts. When you do that, you can then unequivocally prove them wrong and that hurts their feelings.

892 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:13:25pm

re: #853 allegro

You guys say that as if the economy then did not rebound at all.

893 sagehen  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:13:26pm

re: #800 Rightwingconspirator

The last delay was a struggle to get the benefits paid for. Via stimulus monies instead of emergency off budget funding. Not a bad idea at all really. Pay as you go.

When the Dems reinstituted PAYGO, it passed on a strict party-line vote. Not a single Republican voted for it. Not one.

894 Racer X  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:13:46pm

re: #888 wozzablog

Ok, i'm off now for the night, i can only deal with so much unbelievable stupidity and utter ignorance of the consequences of cause and effect.

I'm with ya. Still pisssed off about CRA and the lack of oversight on the financial industry - specifically FMay and FMac.

895 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:13:57pm

re: #885 WindUpBird

"just before all this started"

You know how crazy you sound?

Imagine a building run by an apartment manager.

A negligent apartment manager. We'll call him Tex. Doesn't do the fire codes, doesn't replace the asbestos, no pest control, no background checks on tenants, no nothing. Just makes money, allows methheads to run rampant, screw standards of living and safety.

Then Tex leaves! Perhaps Tex was fired.

New apartment manager comes in! His name is Cal. Starts looking around. Realizes that 60 units in his rental need to have everything stripped to the studs and replaced, that the whole complex is a tinderbox, ready to go up. Cal starts to fix this stuff, but it's years and years and years and years of neglect, so it takes a long time, and as it's being fixed, it's drawing attention to the true horror of all the problems in the complex. Cal of course gets all the blame for the building being shit, because now he's in charge! You're in charge, why are you in charge of such a shitty unit, Cal? Why haven't you done anything?!?!?!

So yeah.

That analogy is poetry.

896 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:14:33pm

re: #879 Wayne A. Schneider

Is there really that much money to be made being stupid, ignorant and hate-filled, as these right-wingers are? Is it really worth the price of one's soul to be like Pamela Geller?

I think not, but I admit that I do think if I thought yes I could make a lot of money doing this.

897 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:14:59pm

re: #876 wozzablog

OH FOR FUCKS SAKE!!!

the worthless marketised derivatives had been in circulation well before this "started" in 2007

See my parable :D

Satt is essentially just arguing from no authority whatsoever, just partisan pushback. No calories, no substance, no nothing. Just our guy are good! Their guys are bad. Like a guy who watches football. Root for our guys, boo their guys. No reason, no understanding, no actually going into boring financial details, no examination, no critical thought. No "why did this happen?" No understanding of moral hazard. No understanding of NINJA loans. No understanding of default swap markets. No understanding of home equity loans and how easy it was for people to get underwater by taking money out of houses with inflated appraisals. Nothing.

Satt's kind of a fun guy, but I sure as shit dont want him teaching economics or real estate, hahaha

898 Four More Tears  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:15:17pm

re: #895 LudwigVanQuixote

That analogy is poetry.

I want to see Cal's birth certificate.

899 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:15:32pm

re: #879 Wayne A. Schneider

Is there really that much money to be made being stupid, ignorant and hate-filled, as these right-wingers are? Is it really worth the price of one's soul to be like Pamela Geller?

Moral people say no.

And that is the real answer.

900 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:15:39pm

re: #893 sagehen

When the Dems reinstituted PAYGO, it passed on a strict party-line vote. Not a single Republican voted for it. Not one.

In that instance the Dems were correct, the other side deadly wrong. Happens a lot lately.

901 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:15:52pm

re: #898 JasonA

I want to see Cal's birth certificate.

OMG! OMG! That caused a belly laugh.

902 blueraven  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:15:52pm

re: #870 Walter L. Newton

"Mike Shires at the Pepperdine School of Public Policy, who develops the survey, calls it "an awful year." Making it even worse, the source of new jobs in almost all areas were either government employment or highly taxpayer-funded sectors like education and health. This year's best-performing regions were those that suffered the smallest losses in the private economy while bulking up on government steroids."

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

You do realize this article is from 4/28/2010 dont you, and they were speaking of the year 2009?

This year's survey, measuring growth from January 2009 to January 2010, found only 13 metros with any growth.

903 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:15:53pm

re: #890 Dark_Falcon

Well, that should be preventable without micromanagement. However, it was not something Congress had an interest in preventing. The Left saw low-income and minority home ownership going up, the Right saw increased profits for financial firms. It was a win-win. Then the bill came due...

I'm not talking about micromanagment either, Dark. If you actually want to engage with what I'm saying at some point, I'll be happy to detail it at length. Calling it 'micromanagement' is not in the least bit accurate.

I am also getting really, really sick of the Magical Balance Fairy.

904 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:17:05pm

re: #879 Wayne A. Schneider

Is there really that much money to be made being stupid, ignorant and hate-filled, as these right-wingers are? Is it really worth the price of one's soul to be like Pamela Geller?

To some people, yeah!

To me, no.

Because here's the thing: if you're a personality who weilds hatred as a tool? Then you have to HANG OUT WITH PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IT. You have to smile and shake hands and drink and pretend to be down with people who are just subhuman shitbags.

And I couldn't do it. I couldn't do Ann Coulter's schtick for ten million a year. I'd rather have AIDS than hang out with the kind of people who buy Ann Coulter and geller and Spencer's shit.

905 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:17:07pm

I am also getting really, really sick of the Magical Balance Fairy.

906 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:17:39pm

re: #902 blueraven

You do realize this article is from 4/28/2010 dont you, and they were speaking of the year 2009?

heh

907 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:17:50pm

re: #891 LudwigVanQuixote

Stop pestering him with the truth. It has too much of a liberal bias.

I for one, think it is unfair to force people to debate on the basis of facts. When you do that, you can then unequivocally prove them wrong and that hurts their feelings.

Facts are what drove me to a post partisan/post wing point of view. Neither has any affection for the facts contrary to the short term desires.

908 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:18:08pm

re: #888 wozzablog

Ok, i'm off now for the night, i can only deal with so much unbelievable stupidity and utter ignorance of the consequences of cause and effect.

You did a good job, I feel ya :D

909 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:18:30pm

re: #907 Rightwingconspirator

Facts are what drove me to a post partisan/post wing point of view. Neither has any affection for the facts contrary to the short term desires.

Damn straight.

910 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:18:48pm

re: #905 LudwigVanQuixote

I am also getting really, really sick of the Magical Balance Fairy.

hahah I totally want to continue to use this term

911 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:19:10pm

re: #904 WindUpBird

To some people, yeah!

To me, no.

Because here's the thing: if you're a personality who weilds hatred as a tool? Then you have to HANG OUT WITH PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IT. You have to smile and shake hands and drink and pretend to be down with people who are just subhuman shitbags.

And I couldn't do it. I couldn't do Ann Coulter's schtick for ten million a year. I'd rather have AIDS than hang out with the kind of people who buy Ann Coulter and geller and Spencer's shit.

Because the other people with AIDS would be more fun to hang out with than the RWR warriors?

912 sagehen  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:20:34pm

re: #856 Dark_Falcon

That would actually make businesses timid and risk-averse. They'd fear taking any chances least they be second-guessed by the law. You have to give companies some room to take chances.

Yeah. I'd kinda rather BP and Massey Mining had been a little more timid, a little more risk-averse. But maybe that's just me.

913 Reginald Perrin  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:20:37pm

re: #879 Wayne A. Schneider

Is there really that much money to be made being stupid, ignorant and hate-filled, as these right-wingers are? Is it really worth the price of one's soul to be like Pamela Geller?

Hi Wayne, it's nice to see you here.
Wayne is a stand up guy and wields a mighty fine troll hammer when provoked.
He is usually cool calm and collected and debates like an adult.

914 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:21:30pm

Here is a great article from August 12 on the matter. Shall we look at some more hard numbers?

And here some learn that an integral, the area under a curve, is a bitch.

[Link: voices.washingtonpost.com...]

From December 2007 to July 2009 – the last year of the Bush second term and the first six months of the Obama presidency, before his policies could affect the economy – private sector employment crashed from 115,574,000 jobs to 107,778,000 jobs. Employment continued to fall, however, for the next six months, reaching a low of 107,107,000 jobs in December of 2009. So, out of 8,467,000 private sector jobs lost in this dismal cycle, 7,796,000 of those jobs or 92 percent were lost on the Republicans’ watch or under the sway of their policies. Some 671,000 additional jobs were lost as the stimulus and other moves by the administration kicked in, but 630,000 jobs then came back in the following six months. The tally, to date: Mr. Obama can be held accountable for the net loss of 41,000 jobs (671,000 – 630,000), while the Republicans should be held responsible for the net losses of 7,796,000 jobs.

And with that the other side loses period. Game over kiddos.

915 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:21:54pm

re: #913 Reginald Perrin

Then welcome, Wayne Schneider.

Start growing scales.

916 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:21:54pm

re: #911 SanFranciscoZionist

Because the other people with AIDS would be more fun to hang out with than the RWR warriors?

I hadn't made that connection, but that is TOTALLY TRUE

I'm thinking of a couple people I've known with AIDS, both of whom were just the coolest, greatest people to hang out with. and both were real type-A suck-the-marrow-out-of-life folks. Learned a lot from them before they passed to the Great Gig in the Sky :)

917 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:22:22pm

re: #912 sagehen

Yeah. I'd kinda rather BP and Massey Mining had been a little more timid, a little more risk-averse. But maybe that's just me.

Excellent point.

918 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:22:22pm

re: #912 sagehen

Yeah. I'd kinda rather BP and Massey Mining had been a little more timid, a little more risk-averse. But maybe that's just me.

Well, people don't really count. ;-)

We're talking investment risk here! People? Fuck people.

919 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:23:15pm

re: #903 Obdicut

I'm not talking about micromanagment either, Dark. If you actually want to engage with what I'm saying at some point, I'll be happy to detail it at length. Calling it 'micromanagement' is not in the least bit accurate.

I am also getting really, really sick of the Magical Balance Fairy.

How many spells per melee round can the Magical Balance Fairy cast

920 SanFranciscoZionist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:23:36pm

re: #916 WindUpBird

I hadn't made that connection, but that is TOTALLY TRUE

I'm thinking of a couple people I've known with AIDS, both of whom were just the coolest, greatest people to hang out with. and both were real type-A suck-the-marrow-out-of-life folks. Learned a lot from them before they passed to the Great Gig in the Sky :)

I worked one summer for San Francisco AIDSWalk. It was a barrel of fun. Great people, lots of excellent energy. And some incredibly funny phone calls to field.

921 goddamnedfrank  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:23:53pm

re: #837 Walter L. Newton

"With the stimulus, they predicted the unemployment rate would peak at just under 8 percent in 2009."

Well certainly that's never happened before:

Similarly, a series of tax cuts in 2003 fell far short of targeted job growth. The Bush administration claimed the tax cuts would create 1.4 million jobs, in addition to some 4.1 million jobs expected to be generated over an 18-month period. But EPI tracked the initiative and found that not only did the additional 1.4 million jobs not appear, but the 4.1 million jobs that had been expected without the tax cuts never materialized either. By the end, the economy only saw an additional 2.4 million jobs added to the economy.

In other words, by the Bush administration’s own metrics, the tax cuts specifically designed to create jobs fell short by a staggering 3.1 million jobs.
If not tax cuts, then how should we stimulate the economy? Public investment and direct government spending works better than tax rebates for stimulating the economy. Stimulus spending already in the pipeline will generate jobs and prevent unemployment from reaching the 12% level that it might have reached without the stimulus.

922 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:24:30pm

From my mom:

A Catholic Priest, a Baptist Preacher, and a Rabbi all served as
chaplains to the students of a University. They would get together two or three times a week for coffee and to talk shop.

One day, someone made the comment that preaching to people isn't really all that hard - a real challenge would be to preach to a bear. One thing led to another, and they decided to do an experiment.

They would all go out into the woods, find a bear, preach to it, and attempt to convert it.

Seven days later, they all came together to discuss their experience.

Father Flannery, who had his arm in a sling, was on crutches, and had various bandages on his body and limbs, went first. 'Well,' he said, 'I went into the woods to find me a bear. And when I found him, I began to read to him from the Catechism. Well, that bear wanted nothing to do with me and began to slap me around. So I quickly grabbed my holy water, sprinkled him and, Holy Mary Mother of God, he became as gentle as a lamb. The Bishop is coming out next week to give him first communion and confirmation.'

Reverend Billy Bob spoke next.. He was in a wheelchair, had one arm and both legs in casts, and had an IV drip. In his best fire-and-brimstone oratory, he claimed, 'WELL, brothers, you KNOW that we don't sprinkle! I went out and I FOUND me a bear. And then I began to read to my bear from God's HOLY WORD! But that bear wanted nothing to do with me. So I took HOLD of him and we began to wrestle. We wrestled down one hill, UP another and DOWN another until we came to a creek. So I quickly DUNKED him and BAPTIZED his hairy soul. And just like you said, he became as gentle as a lamb.. We spent the rest of the day praising Jesus..Hallelujah!

The priest and the reverend both looked down at the Rabbi, who was lying in a hospital bed. He was in a body cast and traction with IVs and monitors running in and out of him.

He was in really bad shape.

The Rabbi looked up and said: "Looking back on it, .......circumcision may not have been the best way to start."

923 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:24:31pm

re: #921 goddamnedfrank


What? Encouraging people to hoard means they hoard? :D

924 austin_blue  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:25:31pm

A German named Martin Kaymer just won the PGA in a playoff against a guy named Bubba Watson!

Tea Partiers are blaming Obama for "coddling the European Left."

925 reine.de.tout  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:26:11pm

re: #918 WindUpBird

Well, people don't really count. ;-)

We're talking investment risk here! People? Fuck people.

WUB - you're not gonna believe me, but I'm going to try on this one, anyhow.

In the oil drilling bidness, the oil companies out there are fully aware of what the cost of an incident will be, not just in financial terms, but in terms of bad publicity.

Which is why there have been many many companies drilling in the Gulf for 60 years with no incidents whatsoever.

BP is notoriously different. Their reputation for safety is bad all over the company, including their refining operations, as well as their drilling operations.

I wasn't real happy with Tony Hayward; he said some stupid things. But he was hired for the purpose of getting BP up to speed, safety-wise. Unfortunately, he didn't begin his job with the drilling portion of the company.

926 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:26:30pm

re: #919 WindUpBird

How many spells per melee round can the Magical Balance Fairy cast

Magical Balance Fairy is a Planar entity that can't be affected by any weapon, spell, attack, psionics, et al. It is only affected by the proper usage of the Scales of the Lizard, which balance things and show that some are really heavier with stupid and evil than others.

This causes the Magical Balance Fairy to fall right on her tutu.

In other news, I've just realized the first place I learned what 'et al' meant was from a D&D book.

927 Racer X  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:28:23pm

re: #914 LudwigVanQuixote

Thanks for that link. Good info. Although, I think blaming R's for the loss of almost 8 million jobs may ignore the impact (or lack) of all the D's in congress. Just a little maybe?

928 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:30:19pm

re: #808 Rightwingconspirator

Cool! Mythbusters is gonna make a "Gorn Cannon" tonight... see if it really works.

929 Walter L. Newton  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:30:26pm

re: #921 goddamnedfrank

Tu quoque.

"The November (2008) US unemployment figures were released recently. The figures, overall, are continuing to get worse. Here are some of the highlights: 6.7%..."

[Link: dunner99.blogspot.com...]

930 PhillyPretzel  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:31:27pm

re: #922 LudwigVanQuixote
Thanks. I needed a good laugh.

931 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:31:55pm

re: #927 Racer X

Thanks for that link. Good info. Although, I think blaming R's for the loss of almost 8 million jobs may ignore the impact (or lack) of all the D's in congress. Just a little maybe?

A fair point, but don't ignore all the time that the R's had control of both houses.

932 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:36:22pm

I can not link this as it was a radio news report, but the economy is down about two trillion dollars because we as scared consumers are paying down our credit balances and saving, instead of drunken sailor spending. That could have been new hire if it was all spent.

Would that be Bush or Obama to blame for that?
///

Oversimplification just plays into partisan talking points and ignores the realities.

933 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:37:06pm

re: #928 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Cool! Mythbusters is gonna make a "Gorn Cannon" tonight... see if it really works.

Good thing they will stand well back!

934 Racer X  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:37:15pm

re: #931 LudwigVanQuixote

A fair point, but don't ignore all the time that the R's had control of both houses.

Agreed.

They continued along like everything was fine, and it was not. The warning signs were there. I blame both Rs and Ds.

Idiots, the lot.

935 Racer X  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:40:16pm

re: #932 Rightwingconspirator

I can not link this as it was a radio news report, but the economy is down about two trillion dollars because we as scared consumers are paying down our credit balances and saving, instead of drunken sailor spending. That could have been new hire if it was all spent.

Would that be Bush or Obama to blame for that?
///

Oversimplification just plays into partisan talking points and ignores the realities.

BAM!

Right between the eyes.

When shit started getting dicey, people became less willing to take risks with credit.

936 Political Atheist  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:40:17pm

re: #846 WindUpBird

The deficit is not an abstraction, it has real impact on policy. Long term smart beats short term satisfactory.

937 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:41:02pm

re: #934 Racer X

Rich idiots. And ain't that why they run?

938 swamprat  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:41:05pm

re: #885 WindUpBird


I hope "Cal" gets the punch-out crew to finish some rooms so that they can get rented and reverse the negative cash flow. It would help also if "Cal" would stop bad-mouthing the punch-out crew, so people would have faith in their work, and not shy away from renting. It would also help if "Tex's" old buds would quit lighting fires and turning off the air conditioning which greatly slows "progress". "Cal" is doing this on a credit card loan, and folks are wondering if he can turn this around in time. To top it off, some of the renters are losing their jobs and their loans are getting called.

939 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:43:31pm

re: #931 LudwigVanQuixote

A fair point, but don't ignore all the time that the R's had control of both houses.

The job of a politician is not to fix the economy. The job of a politician is not to fix the country.

The job of a politician is to get relected.

If we want better politicans, we need an America that actually understands the results of the laws that are passed, and is willing to accept those consequences.

My computer is slow, so this is all I will say tonight.

940 Racer X  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:44:59pm

re: #937 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Rich idiots. And ain't that why they run?

The really really rich want nothing to do with politics.

941 Dark_Falcon  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:46:45pm

re: #926 Obdicut

Magical Balance Fairy is a Planar entity that can't be affected by any weapon, spell, attack, psionics, et al. It is only affected by the proper usage of the Scales of the Lizard, which balance things and show that some are really heavier with stupid and evil than others.

This causes the Magical Balance Fairy to fall right on her tutu.

In other news, I've just realized the first place I learned what 'et al' meant was from a D&D book.

OK, that goes on the D&D/LGF Crossover list. Well done! Would you care to create the spells for this magical being? As for alignment, I'm thinking Lawful/Any.

942 jayzee  Sun, Aug 15, 2010 5:47:27pm

re: #777 LudwigVanQuixote

Well said. I'm simply pointing out that the job loss numbers which are a measurable quantity which is really not subject to as much speculation, as in they have a job or not, have been turned around.

Saying that those jobs somehow don't count is another discussion.

Actually, I am offended by my side employing the same fuzzy logic your side did under Bush in regards to unemployment numbers. Under Bush, even when numbers picked up we heard, "real unem