Those of you who’ve been relentlessly repeating the line that the developers of the Cordoba House/Park51 community center “refuse to denounce Hamas” may want to read this carefully:
Official: Hamas does not and will not speak for Park51. Our mission is one of peace, understanding, tolerance and faith.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:28:31pm |
I wish there was some way they could just not dignify the disgusting bastards with a response, but I suppose the world doesn’t work that way anymore.
Also, let me once again express my utter loathing for the evil/hateful pundits that have pushed us to that point and the banal/evil political party that’s been doing so much to help them spread the message.
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:29:39pm |
Sorry. To reduce wingnut fauxtrage levels, it is necessary that Park51 reads from the scripted lines. Verbatim. No ad libbing allowed.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:29:40pm |
Well, of couse they won’t come right out and say that part of their mission is to breed and train an elite cadre of islamic terror babies in the heart of NYC.
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pharmmajor Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:30:21pm |
Hamas just said this to try and spark more chaos; that’s what they’re all about. I wouldn’t be surprised if they actually saw the Cordoba initiative as a group of “infidels”.
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:30:42pm |
From the desk of Crazy Pamz: “Imagine what lies beneath the Takiya. “
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Gus Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:30:58pm |
Why didn’t they say this 3 weeks ago!!11ty …and blah, blah, blah.
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Jack Burton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:31:57pm |
re: #5 JasonA
From the desk of Crazy Pamz: “Imagine what lies beneath the Takiya. “
If that was from Pam more than one word would be misspelled.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:32:16pm |
And the kids are begining the yearly back to school ritual of ignoring their Mother and not doing they’re homework until I scare the living crap out of them by being Scary Dad when I get home from work.
I’ll be off then.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:32:22pm |
re: #4 pharmmajor
They really really like the culture war, and the yreally really like anti-islamic hate in the US.
You’d think that would be a hint or something >>
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:33:24pm |
re: #7 ArchangelMichael
If that was from Pam more than one word would be misspelled.
“Takiya” is misspelled, I believe.
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Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:35:56pm |
I am shocked to see someone pandering for political gain.
- Harry Reid
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:36:49pm |
re: #6 Gus 802
Why didn’t they say this 3 weeks ago!!11ty …and blah, blah, blah.
//
Did they actually say that they hate Hamas, and that Hamas makes them sick, and that one of their primary goals as a mosque will be the destruction of Hamas? No?
Taqqiyah!
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Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:37:02pm |
re: #1 windsagio
I wish there was some way they could just not dignify the disgusting bastards with a response, but I suppose the world doesn’t work that way anymore.
Also, let me once again express my utter loathing for the evil/hateful pundits that have pushed us to that point and the banal/evil political party that’s been doing so much to help them spread the message.
I’m getting a clearer idea of what a “rageboner” is now.
;-)
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:37:27pm |
It was only a matter of time before the jihadi assholes tried to latch onto this. Thank you GOP for making this an international propaganda opportunity.
Thank G-d the park 51 people came out so strongly and quickly.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:37:30pm |
re: #10 JasonA
“Takiya” is misspelled, I believe.
It’s transliterated, so I suppose it can’t really be ‘misspelled’, but that’s not the standard romanization.
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Stonemason Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:37:34pm |
re: #11 Racer X
I am shocked to see someone pandering for political gain.
- Harry Reid
Harry Reid is not pandering, he is a bigot. President Obama was pandering by not commenting on the location.
Everyone who opposes the Park 51 center is a bigot or a tool of bigots, therefore, Harry Reid is a bigot.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:37:59pm |
re: #12 SanFranciscoZionist
We are having a *fun* conversation downstairs.
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Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:38:20pm |
re: #17 windsagio
:D
I’m thinking of going on a walk actually, ‘cuz I’m totally raged up!
Cold shower.
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:39:05pm |
re: #18 LudwigVanQuixote
We are having a *fun* conversation downstairs.
It’ll be over by the time she reads through the whole thread, though… *ducks*
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:39:52pm |
Let me say it again, doesn’t it creep anyone opposed to this thing out that the bad organizations that everyone hates on that they also want it to be a huge controversy and the n fail?
Doesn’t it bug us that our xenophobia is being outright encouraged and exploited by militant groups?
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:40:28pm |
re: #19 Racer X
It’s more a rage boner when you have a specific target. Like you’re angry and you want to fuck with someone (get it? >>)
I’m just angry in general (or that’s my excuse!)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:41:35pm |
re: #16 Stonemason
Harry Reid is not pandering, he is a bigot. President Obama was pandering by not commenting on the location.
Everyone who opposes the Park 51 center is a bigot or a tool of bigots, therefore, Harry Reid is a bigot.
Now if only the person he was running against wasn’t batshit insane, there’d be a reason to kick him out of office
The problem is the Republicans have become so fucking nuts on this stuff that they unintentionally provide cover for stuff like Reid’s doing. And those fuck Florida Democrats. It’s totally “where ya gonna go?” Vote for the doddering old ineffectual out of touch Nevada bigot, or vote for the bonkers paranoid who just got out of a locked ward screaming down the street in her hospital gown, guys chasing her with butterfly nets
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:42:50pm |
re: #23 WindUpBird
the ‘butterfly nets’ bit was a nice touch. just giving credit where it’s due…
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:42:52pm |
ok time for walkies, don’t take any wooden nickels! (or hate-tirades)
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:42:56pm |
“Our mission is one of peace, understanding, tolerance and faith.”
What so funny about peace, love and understanding?
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Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:43:33pm |
Afghan couple stoned to deathThe Taliban in Afghanistan has publicly stoned to death a man and a woman over an alleged love affair, government officials said.
Sunday’s execution is the first by the Taliban in the Kunduz province and follows last week’s call by Afghan clerics for a return to sharia and capital punishments under Islamic law.
Hoda Abdel-Hamid, Al Jazeera’s correspondent in the Afghan capital, Kabul, said a local Taliban commander confirmed that the man was a married 28-year-old, while the woman was in her early twenties, engaged to marry someone else.
“The couple were brought into an open field and about 100 Taliban or supporters of the Taliban gathered and began stoning them just after a Taliban supporter read out a statement of their confession.”
The incident comes a week after officials alleged that a woman accused of adultery was flogged and executed in the northwestern Badghis province.
Condemnation
Amnesty International has condemned the latest executions.
“The stoning of this couple is a heinous crime. The Taliban and other insurgent groups are growing increasingly brutal in their abuses against Afghans,” Sam Zarifi, the rights group’s Asia-Pacific director, said in a press statement.
“Afghan leaders must stand against stoning and other appalling human rights abuses masquerading as ‘justice’, no matter how much pressure they are under to deal with the Taliban.”
On Monday, a spokesman for Nato-led forces criticised the Taliban for carrying out what he said were acts of indiscriminate violence against ordinary Afghans.
“They have increased acts of violence and repression against innocent Afghans,” Brigadier General Josef Blotz told reporters.
“The insurgents have clearly given up winning over the population, knowing that they don’t have an appealing vision for the people.”
Fuck. Don’t we have more Reapers available?
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:43:36pm |
re: #23 WindUpBird
Now if only the person he was running against wasn’t batshit insane, there’d be a reason to kick him out of office
The problem is the Republicans have become so fucking nuts on this stuff that they unintentionally provide cover for stuff like Reid’s doing. And those fuck Florida Democrats. It’s totally “where ya gonna go?” Vote for the doddering old ineffectual out of touch Nevada bigot, or vote for the bonkers paranoid who just got out of a locked ward screaming down the street in her hospital gown, guys chasing her with butterfly nets
Gotta go with the ineffectual dodderer - over the sprightly anti-fluride nut.
Its a no contest.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:43:36pm |
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pharmmajor Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:43:58pm |
re: #11 Racer X
I am shocked to see someone pandering for political gain.
- Harry Reid
I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!
- Capt. Renault
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:44:00pm |
re: #21 windsagio
Let me say it again, doesn’t it creep anyone opposed to this thing out that the bad organizations that everyone hates on that they also want it to be a huge controversy and the n fail?
Doesn’t it bug us that our xenophobia is being outright encouraged and exploited by militant groups?
That’s a feature, not a bug
The current right wing NEEDS Hamas, they need extremism on the other side to allow their own extremism to resonate with people. A symbiotic relationship! The miltant Islamic extremists get their way, and the GOP gets their way
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avanti Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:44:07pm |
Look, a sane conservative:
“This is from Gov. Chris Christie at a press conference earlier today, weighing in with his first words on the ground zero-area mosque — and basically saying a pox on the houses of both political parties.
The longtime federal prosecutor also urges people to take caution and not paint “all of Islam” as extremists.”
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:44:20pm |
re: #23 WindUpBird
Now if only the person he was running against wasn’t batshit insane, there’d be a reason to kick him out of office
The problem is the Republicans have become so fucking nuts on this stuff that they unintentionally provide cover for stuff like Reid’s doing. And those fuck Florida Democrats. It’s totally “where ya gonna go?” Vote for the doddering old ineffectual out of touch Nevada bigot, or vote for the bonkers paranoid who just got out of a locked ward screaming down the street in her hospital gown, guys chasing her with butterfly nets
Male chauvinist that I am, I would always go with the female in a hospital gown over a bonkers old ineffectual out of touch Nevada male
But thats just me!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:44:22pm |
re: #24 Aceofwhat?
the ‘butterfly nets’ bit was a nice touch. just giving credit where it’s due…
I’m thinking of like guys in white coats from a hannah barbera cartoon or something :D
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Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:44:35pm |
re: #16 Stonemason
Harry Reid is not pandering, he is a bigot. President Obama was pandering by not commenting on the location.
Everyone who opposes the Park 51 center is a bigot or a tool of bigots, therefore, Harry Reid is a bigot.
Would you like some milk with your martyr cookie?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:45:08pm |
re: #31 WindUpBird
by right wing I mean the Newt/Angle/Bachmann/TP axis, not Average Conservative On LGF
Just to head off any frownies
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Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:45:41pm |
Ex-Rep. Tom DeLay says long-running investigation ends with no chargesThe long-running federal criminal investigation of former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay has been closed, and no charges will be brought, DeLay said Monday.
“As you can imagine, it’s a great day for me and my family,” DeLay told reporters in a telephone conference call.
The Justice Department, as is standard practice, declined any comment on the closing of the probe by its Office of Public Integrity after six years.
DeLay said his legal team had received word from the Justice Department last week.
“I never did meet with anyone from the Justice Department, even informally,” DeLay said. “They never contacted me throughout the process. They didn’t have anything.”
Let the teeth gnashing commence!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:46:01pm |
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:46:11pm |
re: #32 avanti
Look, a sane conservative:
“This is from Gov. Chris Christie at a press conference earlier today, weighing in with his first words on the ground zero-area mosque — and basically saying a pox on the houses of both political parties.
The longtime federal prosecutor also urges people to take caution and not paint “all of Islam” as extremists.”
He’s been growing on me.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:46:35pm |
re: #32 avanti
Look, a sane conservative:
“This is from Gov. Chris Christie at a press conference earlier today, weighing in with his first words on the ground zero-area mosque — and basically saying a pox on the houses of both political parties.
The longtime federal prosecutor also urges people to take caution and not paint “all of Islam” as extremists.”
Charlie Crist, too. Maybe it’s the name…
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:46:54pm |
re: #39 JasonA
He’s been growing on me.
That guy could be presidential material, if the GOP stopped going cuckoo
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Stonemason Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:47:28pm |
re: #35 Charles
Would you like some milk with your martyr cookie?
I have to admit I don’t know what that means, I saw some defense of Reid on other threads, saw a defense of the pandering by the President.
What was wrong with what I said?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:47:35pm |
re: #41 WindUpBird
But god damn what is up with republicans and like the name which is the same name twice
Chris Christie, Lars Larson
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:47:38pm |
re: #34 WindUpBird
I’m thinking of like guys in white coats from a hannah barbera cartoon or something :D
i know…you painted a mental image worthy of your profession as an artist…just passing out compliments to start the night!
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dummnutzer Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:47:41pm |
re: #15 SanFranciscoZionist
It’s transliterated, so I suppose it can’t really be ‘misspelled’, but that’s not the standard romanization.
It is an older transliteration, e.g. used in E.J. Brill´s ´First Encyclopedia of Islam (1913-1936)´. This spelling is still used by some Germans today.
Caveat: I am no linguist, so take this with a mountain of salt.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:48:17pm |
re: #44 Aceofwhat?
i know…you painted a mental image worthy of your profession as an artist…just passing out compliments to start the night!
Which reminds me, I need to probably get some work done :D
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AntonSirius Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:48:26pm |
re: #34 WindUpBird
I’m thinking of like guys in white coats from a hannah barbera cartoon or something :D
She’ll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean whiter shirts.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:49:16pm |
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:49:35pm |
re: #47 AntonSirius
She’ll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean whiter shirts.
ha-ha-hee-hee
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:49:48pm |
re: #15 SanFranciscoZionist
It’s transliterated, so I suppose it can’t really be ‘misspelled’, but that’s not the standard romanization.
That was hot. Will you be at the meeting?
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pharmmajor Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:49:55pm |
re: #35 Charles
Would you like some milk with your martyr cookie?
No no, Charles, the slam is “would you like some cheese with your whine”
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oriana fan Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:50:08pm |
That is a nice quote and I hope the mosque when finished is a vehicle to advance that position. I would prefer, however, if the Imam would go further and clarify his earlier statements on Hamas wherein he indicated that terrorism was a complex issue. No condemnation of Hamas per se has been forthcoming.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:51:13pm |
re: #52 oriana fan
That is a nice quote and I hope the mosque when finished is a vehicle to advance that position. I would prefer, however, if the Imam would go further and clarify his earlier statements on Hamas wherein he indicated that terrorism was a complex issue. No condemnation of Hamas per se has been forthcoming.
Please see my #12. Can I call ‘em?
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Stonemason Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:51:34pm |
re: #51 pharmmajor
No no, Charles, the slam is “would you like some cheese with your whine”
What whine? Whose wine? Where the hell did I dine?
Seriously though, what whine? I stated (re-stated actually) what has been stated for a couple of weeks now, just stated it about a Democrat, and was attacked for it.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:52:05pm |
re: #16 Stonemason
I addressed this point in the last thread very forcefully.
Harry reid is playing the politics of bigotry in the exact same craven and repugnant way many of the GOP do. He is scum for doing so. He is anti-American for doing so, and just like I said that Cantor ought to be impeached for being confused as to the importance of the First Amendment - so should Reid.
Any American lawmaker, who so throughly dismisses the cornerstones of American laws and values should not hold the office. It is much like a pork eating rabbi isn’t.
Of course, the alternative to Reid is Angle.
This is just a sign of how broken our government is.
So keep your martyr cookie. You don’t have a gotcha here.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:52:06pm |
re: #55 Stonemason
What whine? Whose wine? Where the hell did I dine?
Seriously though, what whine? I stated (re-stated actually) what has been stated for a couple of weeks now, just stated it about a Democrat, and was attacked for it.
You answered your own question.
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:52:35pm |
re: #56 wlewisiii
Oh, you again. Did you read this yet: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
Wrong commenter.
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wrenchwench Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:52:48pm |
re: #52 oriana fan
That is a nice quote and I hope the mosque when finished is a vehicle to advance that position. I would prefer, however, if the Imam would go further and clarify his earlier statements on Hamas wherein he indicated that terrorism was a complex issue. No condemnation of Hamas per se has been forthcoming.
Lidane nailed you a couple threads back:
Oh please. Nothing would satisfy you and you know it.
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William Barnett-Lewis Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:52:51pm |
re: #56 wlewisiii
Oh, you again. Did you read this yet: [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]
ACK sidetracked by son and posting incorrectly. Charles, please wack my 56.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:52:52pm |
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:52:55pm |
re: #52 oriana fan
That is a nice quote and I hope the mosque when finished is a vehicle to advance that position. I would prefer, however, if the Imam would go further and clarify his earlier statements on Hamas wherein he indicated that terrorism was a complex issue. No condemnation of Hamas per se has been forthcoming.
‘You would prefer it’, as in, wouldn’t we all love reams of condemnation of all terror groups from all Imams…or ‘you would prefer it’, as in, you’d rather they didn’t build anything until he clarified his earlier statements?
Just to clarify your statement…
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Stonemason Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:53:59pm |
re: #57 LudwigVanQuixote
I addressed this point in the last thread very forcefully.
Harry reid is playing the politics of bigotry in the exact same craven and repugnant way many of the GOP do. He is scum for doing so. He is anti-American for doing so, and just like I said that Cantor ought to be impeached for being confused as to the importance of the First Amendment - so should Reid.
Any American lawmaker, who so throughly dismisses the cornerstones of American laws and values should not hold the office. It is much like a pork eating rabbi isn’t.
Of course, the alternative to Reid is Angle.
This is just a sign of how broken our government is.
So keep your martyr cookie. You don’t have a gotcha here.
It wasn’t a gotcha, although I am enjoying the reaction. I do not live in Arizona so I do not have to make the choice. Why are you defending a bigot?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:54:13pm |
re: #52 oriana fan
Back for more??
You’re fan is still broken, btw
Maybe thats why you’re so hot about this!!
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:54:28pm |
re: #34 WindUpBird
I’m thinking of like guys in white coats from a hannah barbera cartoon or something :D
What, now our bigoted against white shirts? Your fucking UNREAL!!11!
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Stonemason Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:55:03pm |
re: #64 Stonemason
It wasn’t a gotcha, although I am enjoying the reaction. I do not live in Arizona so I do not have to make the choice. Why are you defending a bigot?
Sorry LVQ, you did not defend Reid, my bad.
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Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:55:18pm |
Iran to build 10 uranium enrichments plants in mountain strongholdsIran has announced that is it to build ten new uranium enrichment plants within protected mountain strongholds as part of its nuclear programme and will start work on the first site in March.
The move is a response to sanctions imposed on Iran in an attempt to stop it from producing enriched uranium, which can be used as fuel for nuclear power plants but for weapons if produced in higher levels.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad also issued an edict ordering the government to offer only “minimum levels of co-operation” with the International Atomic Energy Agency, the UN nuclear watchdog.
Nice shades.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:55:48pm |
re: #16 Stonemason
Harry Reid is not pandering, he is a bigot. President Obama was pandering by not commenting on the location.
Everyone who opposes the Park 51 center is a bigot or a tool of bigots, therefore, Harry Reid is a bigot.
The R’s who oppose the Part 51 center have allowed their sense (if they ever had any) to be informed by bigotry in the matter of the Park51 Center.
Harry Reid is pandering, because he wants to keep his seat and is afraid he won’t be reelected. He may also be a bigot; but his stance on this is purely pandering. Doesn’t make it better; it just is what it is.
I’ve known and worked with many policitians, most of them quite nice, charming, likeable people. And not one ounce of humility in the bunch. In addition, they will all do whatever it is they think is necessary to keep their jobs; that (and the lack of humility) are part of the personality make-up required to even want to be in that particular business.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:55:54pm |
re: #52 oriana fan
I would prefer, however, if the Imam would go further and clarify his earlier statements on Hamas wherein he indicated that terrorism was a complex issue.
The Russians called the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan “terrorists”, the russians call freedom fighters in Chechnya “terrorists”, the Chinese call Buddhist monks “terrorists”…………..
America does not own the definition of that word - and while the world continues to be such a shitty place it never will.
Terrorism is a complex issue.
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Ming Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:55:56pm |
The Obama-haters can smell blood on this one. The sound bite “ground zero mosque” is awesome! And the Sept. 11 anniversary is in less than a month! The mosque opponents don’t care about what’s right. They are dazzled by the sound bite, the Sept. 11 anniversary, the chance to hurt Obama.
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mikhailtheplumber Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:55:59pm |
Wingnuts will still say that this is not a “condemnation” of Hamas, just a lee-buh-ral excuse, and yadda yadda yadda.
When they are this riled on, no argument will do.
It’s like trying to argue with Pamella Geller!
//
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avanti Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:57:00pm |
re: #39 JasonA
He’s been growing on me.
Too late, he’s a RINO now. (from another blog)
“So much for Palin/Christie 2012. I hope we can find another conservative to run with her.”
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:58:02pm |
re: #71 Ming
The Obama-haters can smell blood on this one. The sound bite “ground zero mosque” is awesome! And the Sept. 11 anniversary is in less than a month! The mosque opponents don’t care about what’s right. They are dazzled by the sound bite, the Sept. 11 anniversary, the chance to hurt Obama.
Harry Reid can smell blood.
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:58:19pm |
re: #74 avanti
Too late, he’s a RINO now. (from another blog)
“So much for Palin/Christie 2012. I hope we can find another conservative to run with her.”
Oh for the love of Zod…
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:58:43pm |
re: #71 Ming
The Obama-haters can smell blood on this one. The sound bite “ground zero mosque” is awesome! And the Sept. 11 anniversary is in less than a month! The mosque opponents don’t care about what’s right. They are dazzled by the sound bite, the Sept. 11 anniversary, the chance to hurt Obama.
Nail meet head, head meet nail.
Spot on.
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AntonSirius Mon, Aug 16, 2010 4:58:45pm |
re: #52 oriana fan
That is a nice quote and I hope the mosque when finished is a vehicle to advance that position. I would prefer, however, if the Imam would go further and clarify his earlier statements on Hamas wherein he indicated that terrorism was a complex issue. No condemnation of Hamas per se has been forthcoming.
This is a nice post and I hope you continue to display your concerns. I would prefer, however, if you would go further and clarify your position on defense of the First Amendment, as you seem to be implying it is a complex issue. Also, no condemnation of the open, naked bigotry of the anti-Cordoba House movement has been forthcoming.
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mikhailtheplumber Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:00:28pm |
re: #78 AntonSirius
This is a nice post and I hope you continue to display your concerns. I would prefer, however, if you would go further and clarify your position on defense of the First Amendment, as you seem to be implying it is a complex issue. Also, no condemnation of the open, naked bigotry of the anti-Cordoba House movement has been forthcoming.
Pure undiluted pwnage.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:04:23pm |
re: #52 oriana fan
No condemnation of Hamas per se has been forthcoming.
The YMCA hasn’t condemned the Lord’s Resistance Army, therefore they must be in cahoots.
/likes the word cahoots.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:04:58pm |
re: #80 goddamnedfrank
The YMCA hasn’t condemned the Lord’s Resistance Army, therefore they must be in cahoots.
/likes the word cahoots.
upding for the word “cahoots”
oh, and for the sentiment.
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brucee Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:05:56pm |
re: #16 Stonemason
Harry Reid is not pandering, he is a bigot. President Obama was pandering by not commenting on the location.
Everyone who opposes the Park 51 center is a bigot or a tool of bigots, therefore, Harry Reid is a bigot.
Reid is not a bigot, but he is a politician, one at risk of losing his job. Being a 21st century politician, he has more love for his position than for the principles behind the position.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:06:07pm |
re: #80 goddamnedfrank
The YMCA hasn’t condemned the Lord’s Resistance Army, therefore they must be in cahoots.
/likes the word cahoots.
Heh.
I like that word, too.
(I also like the word “behooves” and try to work it in anywhere I can, which isn’t often)
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wrenchwench Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:06:42pm |
re: #78 AntonSirius
I need an extra ding to give this one.
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Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:06:55pm |
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:07:28pm |
OK - anyone who has not yet seen this, here is a page to post any thoughts (nice ones, if you have ‘em) or well-wishes to Albusteve. Everyone who would like to is invited to leave a message; we’ll send Steve the link when he’s up and around.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:07:35pm |
re: #83 reine.de.tout
Heh.
I like that word, too.
(I also like the word “behooves” and try to work it in anywhere I can, which isn’t often)
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:08:11pm |
re: #31 WindUpBird
That’s a feature, not a bug
The current right wing NEEDS Hamas, they need extremism on the other side to allow their own extremism to resonate with people. A symbiotic relationship! The miltant Islamic extremists get their way, and the GOP gets their way
Quoted for maximum truth!
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:08:24pm |
re: #87 goddamnedfrank
Good one, but honestly, I always get tongue-tied trying to say that one.
Drat.
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Stonemason Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:08:34pm |
re: #82 brucee
Everyone who opposes the Park 51 center (or location) is a bigot, or the tool of bigots.
Everyone else who said what he said has been labeled a bigot therefore, he is a bigot. Smear all the lipstick on it you want.
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webevintage Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:09:03pm |
re: #83 reine.de.tout
Heh.
I like that word, too.
(I also like the word “behooves” and try to work it in anywhere I can, which isn’t often)
Yeah.
I like “snookered” too.
I hope it is back in style after the NAACP used it last month in their statement.
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:09:09pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:09:38pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:09:57pm |
re: #90 Stonemason
Everyone who opposes the Park 51 center (or location) is a bigot, or the tool of bigots.
Everyone else who said what he said has been labeled a bigot therefore, he is a bigot. Smear all the lipstick on it you want.
Are you trying to say Harry Reid is a bigot?
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Stonemason Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:10:49pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:11:12pm |
re: #71 Ming
The Obama-haters can smell blood on this one. The sound bite “ground zero mosque” is awesome! And the Sept. 11 anniversary is in less than a month! The mosque opponents don’t care about what’s right. They are dazzled by the sound bite, the Sept. 11 anniversary, the chance to hurt Obama.
And all that for having the unmitigated gall, of upholding his oath to uphold and protect the Constitution as president. How dare he?!?
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:11:16pm |
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darthstar Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:11:43pm |
re: #94 Walter L. Newton
Are you trying to say Harry Reid is a bigot?
Harry Reid’s comment made him sound like a bigot, Walter. As Majority Leader, he should have honored the first amendment and kept separate his position in the State from his opinion on Church. Period.
Satisfied? Now quit harping on him and move the fuck on.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:13:03pm |
re: #99 darthstar
Harry Reid’s comment made him sound like a bigot, Walter. As Majority Leader, he should have honored the first amendment and kept separate his position in the State from his opinion on Church. Period.
Satisfied? Now quit harping on him and move the fuck on.
LOL.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:13:03pm |
Fucking 9th Circuit gave the anti-marriage for all crowd their cherished delay.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:13:16pm |
re: #99 darthstar
Harry Reid’s comment made him sound like a bigot, Walter. As Majority Leader, he should have honored the first amendment and kept separate his position in the State from his opinion on Church. Period.
Satisfied? Now quit harping on him and move the fuck on.
Yeah Walter
Lets harp on the REAL bigots
Anyone who opposes the Park 51 project ,,,
ummm,,, OOOPPPSSS!!!
:)
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:13:20pm |
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:13:52pm |
re: #103 sattv4u2
No they could just be disgusting cynical manipulaters or foolish dupes.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:14:10pm |
re: #100 windsagio
Walter also smells blood >>
Its irresistable.
Walter’s a broken record sometimes. He did this with his Palin/Pelosi religion quote a few weeks back.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:14:22pm |
re: #102 darthstar
Fucking 9th Circuit gave the anti-marriage for all crowd their cherished delay.
Now quit harping on the anti-marriage for all crowd and move the fuck on.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:14:32pm |
re: #105 windsagio
No they could just be disgusting cynical manipulaters or foolish dupes.
When I was a kid, I used to have a top JUST like that
My, how I loved to see it spin!!
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:15:03pm |
re: #99 darthstar
Harry Reid’s comment made him sound like a bigot, Walter. As Majority Leader, he should have honored the first amendment and kept separate his position in the State from his opinion on Church. Period.
Satisfied? Now quit harping on him and move the fuck on.
I think there’s gonna be harping.
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Stonemason Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:15:04pm |
re: #95 windsagio
He’s more a coward, really.
and a bigot.
If you can justify what he said in your mind and can not justify what the woman who watched her mothers plane crash into the towers feels, then you have a serious cognitive dissonance problem.
I was ripped, torn, attacked, and shouted down for trying to give that woman the benefit of the doubt, I was clearly beaten by all the variations of “what valid points” questions, some rather offensive to me.
Everyone, regardless of political party or position, who opposes the Park 51 center is a bigot or the tool of bigots.
Maybe Reid is a tool, but calling him a coward is giving him a pass on what has been the running theme.
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Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:15:07pm |
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:15:14pm |
re: #108 sattv4u2
How’s that spin? Is it better to be cynically promoting bigotry than to just be a bigot?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:15:42pm |
re: #102 darthstar
Fucking 9th Circuit gave the anti-marriage for all crowd their cherished delay.
That would be the ‘Ninth Circus Court’, known far and wide for rubber-stamping liberal excesses?
////
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darthstar Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:15:44pm |
re: #107 Walter L. Newton
Now quit harping on the anti-marriage for all crowd and move the fuck on.
Wash your hands and get back to work.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:16:24pm |
re: #107 Walter L. Newton
Now quit harping on the anti-marriage for all crowd and move the fuck on.
Now quit just trying to piss people off and move the fuck on.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:16:29pm |
re: #110 Stonemason
You guys are loving this aren’t you?
It’s a little dissonant tho’, “This guy agrees with us lets force people to call him a bigot!”
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darthstar Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:17:11pm |
re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist
That would be the ‘Ninth Circus Court’, known far and wide for rubber-stamping liberal excesses?
///
No, they’re just fuckers…at least the sub-set that held the stay are. Maybe when the full court hears this, they’ll get their shit together and read Judge Walker’s decision in full.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:17:19pm |
re: #110 Stonemason
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:17:22pm |
re: #113 Jeff In Ohio
Going to be?
The harping will continue for the foreseeable future. Ah, I just hope they know “The Ash Grove”.
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Sakublock Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:17:37pm |
Let free speech prevail and have a referendum for residents of lower Manhattan. Yes or no, like any other zoning issue. It will be struck down and end of story. Muslim “victim card” will say we are intolerant (no matter what is done) and they will get a brand new Cordoba house in Jersey City.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:18:00pm |
re: #120 Varek Raith
Somebody needs to do an animation of that thing with sound.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:18:04pm |
re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist
That would be the ‘Ninth Circus Court’, known far and wide for rubber-stamping liberal excesses?
///
That’s what I was thinking.
If the 9th Circuit took an “anti-marriage for all” stand, I’m really interested in what happened and why.
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wrenchwench Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:18:22pm |
re: #122 Sakublock
Let free speech prevail and have a referendum for residents of lower Manhattan. Yes or no, like any other zoning issue. It will be struck down and end of story. Muslim “victim card” will say we are intolerant (no matter what is done) and they will get a brand new Cordoba house in Jersey City.
It was already approved.
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Stonemason Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:18:27pm |
re: #117 windsagio
You guys are loving this aren’t you?
It’s a little dissonant tho’, “This guy agrees with us lets force people to call him a bigot!”
Find my post where I opposed any part of the Park 51 center.
When you do you can add me to you list.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:18:36pm |
re: #122 Sakublock
Do you all signal each other with some kind of spotlight or something?
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:18:37pm |
re: #122 Sakublock
It’s already been through the proper channels.
What part of ‘lets do it again and pander to the hate’ is not terrible?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:20:14pm |
re: #117 windsagio
You guys are loving this aren’t you?
It’s a little dissonant tho’, “This guy agrees with us lets force people to call him a bigot!”
No. The issue isn’t the mosque any more, it’s that Harry Reid, The Most Hated Man In The West, has finally said something he can be nailed on.
Deservedly, in my opinion, after several preliminary tries that went nowhere. “He said ‘light skinned’! He said Hispanics shouldn’t vote Republican!!
Beat up on Harry for this one, he’s solidly pandering to the dumbasses and he has it coming.
But I’m not gonna play the “OH GOSH” game over it.
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alexknyc Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:20:15pm |
re: #4 pharmmajor
Hamas just said this to try and spark more chaos; that’s what they’re all about. I wouldn’t be surprised if they actually saw the Cordoba initiative as a group of “infidels”.
I think Cordoba House is a Sufi mosque.
If it is, they do.
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webevintage Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:20:29pm |
re: #122 Sakublock
Free speech? How’s about free practice of religion?
Or do you not like that part of the constitution?
who knew there was a “Muslim victim card”?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:20:32pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:20:57pm |
re: #119 darthstar
No, they’re just fuckers…at least the sub-set that held the stay are. Maybe when the full court hears this, they’ll get their shit together and read Judge Walker’s decision in full.
No argument, I just love the undeservedly Berkeley-esque reputation enjoyed by the Ninth Circuit.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:21:07pm |
re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist
I’ve said a few times that he’s a goddamn contemptible coward for taking that position. The ‘oh god we’ve got him’ attitude people have still needs to be mocked tho >>
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:21:36pm |
re: #116 LudwigVanQuixote
Now quit just trying to piss people off and move the fuck on.
Why ,, afraid he may take YOUR job !?!?!
(sorry ,,that was WAY too easy!!!)
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:21:54pm |
re: #122 Sakublock
Let free speech prevail and have a referendum for residents of lower Manhattan. Yes or no, like any other zoning issue. It will be struck down and end of story. Muslim “victim card” will say we are intolerant (no matter what is done) and they will get a brand new Cordoba house in Jersey City.
The zoning authorities have already weighed in. No city that I know of handles private property construction issues by referendum. Has that ever been done in Mahattan?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:22:00pm |
re: #137 sattv4u2
Why ,, afraid he may take YOUR job !?!?!
(sorry ,,that was WAY too easy!!!)
So easy I thought it but didn’t even say it.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:22:11pm |
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:22:16pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:22:29pm |
re: #124 reine.de.tout
That’s what I was thinking.
If the 9th Circuit took an “anti-marriage for all” stand, I’m really interested in what happened and why.
Oh. I was kidding.
Sorry.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:22:54pm |
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webevintage Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:23:19pm |
re: #136 windsagio
I’ve said a few times that he’s a goddamn contemptible coward for taking that position. The ‘oh god we’ve got him’ attitude people have still needs to be mocked tho
He’s an ass….plus what the hell will Angle do?
Call him a bigot…say she thinks the Mosque should go ahead as planned.
How awesome would that be?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:23:22pm |
re: #138 Varek Raith
Walter is so playing you all
:P
Oh… come on… you’re embarrassing me… stop with all the compliments… oooohhh…
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:23:25pm |
re: #137 sattv4u2
Reason why you are being a gadfly after so much peaceful coexistence? What talking about the issues not entertaining without picking fights there Satt?
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SpaceJesus Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:23:56pm |
i wonder what the 9th’s calendar looks like. really anxious to see what they do
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:23:59pm |
It’s just so strange to see this level of bigotry so long after 9-11. I’m sure there was some talk on the internet of banning mosques shortly after 9-11 but it never became a serious movement with high level political leaders until now. I don’t even recall seeing discussion of closing down mosques on cable TV back then but now it’s all the rage.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:24:07pm |
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Stanley Sea Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:24:35pm |
re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist
No. The issue isn’t the mosque any more, it’s that Harry Reid, The Most Hated Man In The West, has finally said something he can be nailed on.
Deservedly, in my opinion, after several preliminary tries that went nowhere. “He said ‘light skinned’! He said Hispanics shouldn’t vote Republican!!
Beat up on Harry for this one, he’s solidly pandering to the dumbasses and he has it coming.
But I’m not gonna play the “OH GOSH” game over it.
I am just soo happy that I don’t live in NV and don’t have to think about voting for either him or the Pinochet admirer (Angle). Yes, those on the side of the constitution and what is right are flabbergasted at the people who’ve come out against this.
(Is flabbergasted a cool word?)
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:24:44pm |
re: #147 LudwigVanQuixote
Reason why you are being a gadfly after so much peaceful coexistence? What talking about the issues not entertaining without picking fights there Satt?
Yes… because Satt and I are signaling each other with a spotlight.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:24:47pm |
re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh. I was kidding.
Sorry.
I think the Ninth Circuit’s action was about par for the course for them. They can be very careful and stodgy.
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Reginald Perrin Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:25:03pm |
re: #122 Sakublock
Hi.
Nice to see you here after such a long sleep.
I am curious, what do you think you are accomplishing by trolling this blog?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:25:05pm |
re: #145 webevintage
He’s an ass…plus what the hell will Angle do?
Call him a bigot…say she thinks the Mosque should go ahead as planned.
How awesome would that be?
That would be fun. She should think about it.
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:25:12pm |
re: #149 Killgore Trout
It’s just so strange to see this level of bigotry so long after 9-11. I’m sure there was some talk on the internet of banning mosques shortly after 9-11 but it never became a serious movement with high level political leaders until now. I don’t even recall seeing discussion of closing down mosques on cable TV back then but now it’s all the rage.
I think the President being one of them plays some role in all this…
/
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:25:15pm |
re: #102 darthstar
Fucking 9th Circuit gave the anti-marriage for all crowd their cherished delay.
No worries…inevitably, the final ruling on a matter is the opposite of whatever the 9th circuit decided…
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:25:50pm |
re: #147 LudwigVanQuixote
Reason why you are being a gadfly after so much peaceful coexistence? What talking about the issues not entertaining without picking fights there Satt?
Gadfly ,,,
Tonight, can I please be a Ne’er do well instead
Or better yet,, a RAPSCALLION,,, I always wanted to be a Rapscallion
In High School, I almost got that part in the play, but had to settle for PUCK!
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:26:13pm |
re: #124 reine.de.tout
That’s what I was thinking.
If the 9th Circuit took an “anti-marriage for all” stand, I’m really interested in what happened and why.
Can you imagine how crazy things would have gotten if the 9th had allowed marriages to recommence without a hearing. My ears ring just thinking about it. They are well aware of their own reputation, and how their handling of the case will be viewed by The Supremes.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:26:32pm |
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darthstar Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:26:34pm |
re: #149 Killgore Trout
It’s just so strange to see this level of bigotry so long after 9-11. I’m sure there was some talk on the internet of banning mosques shortly after 9-11 but it never became a serious movement with high level political leaders until now. I don’t even recall seeing discussion of closing down mosques on cable TV back then but now it’s all the rage.
President Bush, to his credit, went out of his way to be inclusive of Islam wherever possible after 9/11 (aside from some poorly chosen words about the US being on a ‘crusade’). But now it’s a political football, and it’s a distraction from the obstruction of the minority party, so they’ll play it up for all its worth.
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Stanley Sea Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:26:43pm |
re: #145 webevintage
He’s an ass…plus what the hell will Angle do?
Call him a bigot…say she thinks the Mosque should go ahead as planned.
How awesome would that be?
Here’s Angle’s spokesperson:
An Angle spokesman responded: “he must be really scared to be re-elected if he broke from the president after being his waterboy.”
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:26:54pm |
re: #135 SanFranciscoZionist
No argument, I just love the undeservedly Berkeley-esque reputation enjoyed by the Ninth Circuit.
OTOH, their reputation for not being any good at law is the stuff of legend/
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Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:27:00pm |
re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist
The issue isn’t the mosque any more, it’s that Harry Reid, The Most Hated Man In The West, has finally said something he can be nailed on.
Again.
You forgot to say “again.”
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webevintage Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:27:34pm |
re: #149 Killgore Trout
It’s just so strange to see this level of bigotry so long after 9-11. I’m sure there was some talk on the internet of banning mosques shortly after 9-11 but it never became a serious movement with high level political leaders until now. I don’t even recall seeing discussion of closing down mosques on cable TV back then but now it’s all the rage.
It is amazing how freeing having a black guy in the White House seems to be for some people and their mouths. Now they write and say whatever comes into their little brains…
(i would direct you to Ross Douchehats column as evidence: json8.nytimes.com )
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:27:38pm |
re: #149 Killgore Trout
It’s just so strange to see this level of bigotry so long after 9-11. I’m sure there was some talk on the internet of banning mosques shortly after 9-11 but it never became a serious movement with high level political leaders until now. I don’t even recall seeing discussion of closing down mosques on cable TV back then but now it’s all the rage.
It is not strange at all. It has been carefully coaxed, nurtured and fed by Fox and a host of pundits for over two years now. With 24/7 fear hatred and loathing, what else would you expect?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:27:56pm |
re: #164 Racer X
Again.
You forgot to say “again.”
Nothing he’s said before this has really struck me as freak-worthy.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:28:37pm |
I know!
Let’s talk about Harry Reid to divert attention from the GROUNDZEROZOMG911MOSQUEOFDOOOM!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:28:42pm |
re: #158 sattv4u2
ok ok I get it… showing you attention give you relevance. I wonder whom else that is like?
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Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:28:47pm |
re: #167 SanFranciscoZionist
Nothing he’s said before this has really struck me as freak-worthy.
“The war is lost”
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jordash1212 Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:28:49pm |
And that puts Hamas and the continuing bigots against Park51 in the same boat of intolerance and hate.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:29:06pm |
re: #149 Killgore Trout
It’s just so strange to see this level of bigotry so long after 9-11. I’m sure there was some talk on the internet of banning mosques shortly after 9-11 but it never became a serious movement with high level political leaders until now. I don’t even recall seeing discussion of closing down mosques on cable TV back then but now it’s all the rage.
It’s the consequence of a black man with an African name becoming President. Once the nutbars decided that he was a Seekrit Mooslim Usurper that was illegally holding office, all the anti-Muslim bigotry that’s been boiling just under the surface exploded.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:29:23pm |
re: #169 LudwigVanQuixote
ok ok I get it… showing you attention give you relevance. I wonder whom else that is like?
ummmm,,, eerrrr, YOU!!
How many times have you checked the stalker site today to make sure they’re still talking about you?
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:30:08pm |
re: #166 LudwigVanQuixote
With 24/7 fear hatred and loathing, what else would you expect?
I was expecting that video you found last night to generate some heat but I guess all the blogs and lefty news outlets are busy with the Ground Zero Mega Mosque.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:30:09pm |
re: #169 LudwigVanQuixote
ok ok I get it… showing you attention give you relevance. I wonder whom else that is like?
you also ALWAYS have the option of, oh say ,, NOT responding!!
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Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:30:19pm |
re: #168 Varek Raith
I know!
Let’s talk about Harry Reid to divert attention from the GROUNDZEROZOMG911MOSQUEOFDOOOM!
Lets talk about this stupid mosque. Never mind the economy, or health care, or immigration, or gay rights, or Iran, or …
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:30:23pm |
re: #174 sattv4u2
ummm,,, eerrr, YOU!!
How many times have you checked the stalker site today to make sure they’re still talking about you?
BORING.
Please take this elsewhere.
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:30:28pm |
re: #160 Lidane
I love this Nick Lowe version. This guy has so much fucking soul and beauty for someone who has been at this for so long. Very inspiring.
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Stanley Sea Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:30:42pm |
re: #149 Killgore Trout
It’s just so strange to see this level of bigotry so long after 9-11. I’m sure there was some talk on the internet of banning mosques shortly after 9-11 but it never became a serious movement with high level political leaders until now. I don’t even recall seeing discussion of closing down mosques on cable TV back then but now it’s all the rage.
You know what? Once the awful huge banner of Dachau was paraded at a Tea Party Rally against health care reform, all bets were off.
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Stonemason Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:30:48pm |
What some seem to be missing is that I do believe that there is a monstrous movement afoot, loaded with racism and bigotry. I have tried, to no avail, to point out that not all of any group is anything.
The hilarity that has ensued now that a prominent democrat (not an independent like Lieberman, who also opposes the location) has signed on to the bigot brigade the left here begin to obfuscate.
Yes, I am enjoying it, I admit.
It bothers me to no end that I can’t find a damn republican to support this center, and my congressman is a ‘no comment’, which is better than opposition, but still not good.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:30:53pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:30:57pm |
re: #174 sattv4u2
Really Satt, is there a reason why you are trying so hard to pick a fight? I’m just curious what it is.
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avanti Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:31:08pm |
Christie, now getting flack for his moderate position on the mosque.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:31:25pm |
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:31:34pm |
Good evening LGF.
So a non-denunciation on twitter is just peachy?
Saying that someone doesn’t speak for you means very little.
Give me a break.
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alexknyc Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:32:00pm |
re: #122 Sakublock
Let free speech prevail and have a referendum for residents of lower Manhattan. Yes or no, like any other zoning issue. It will be struck down and end of story. Muslim “victim card” will say we are intolerant (no matter what is done) and they will get a brand new Cordoba house in Jersey City.
People’s rights don’t depend on a majority vote.
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:32:04pm |
re: #165 webevintage
lol Ross Douchehat. I betcha Meagan misses not having another douche to commiserate with at the Atlantic.
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Stanley Sea Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:32:05pm |
re: #168 Varek Raith
I know!
Let’s talk about Harry Reid to divert attention from the GROUNDZEROZOMG911MOSQUEOFDOOOM!
And the lovely Hamas accusations I listed to this a.m. with my first cup.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:32:09pm |
re: #175 Killgore Trout
I was expecting that video you found last night to generate some heat but I guess all the blogs and lefty news outlets are busy with the Ground Zero Mega Mosque.
It might just yet, the people who made it are sure trying. However, with Muslims and the whole notion of non-Christian religious liberty to bash, they may have missed their chance in the sun.
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:32:09pm |
re: #184 SpaceJesus
by the way, where are iceweasel and jimmah
I think we described what they’re up to towards the end of the last thread…
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:32:20pm |
re: #183 LudwigVanQuixote
Really Satt, is there a reason why you are trying so hard to pick a fight? I’m just curious what it is.
Ludwig ,,, I made a JOKE ,,, a FUNNY ,,,
Lighten up,,, getta grip,,, put a rubber band around your head and snap out of it!
Jjeeezzzzzz
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Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:32:28pm |
re: #182 SanFranciscoZionist
He was mistaken. But my heart rate is remaining stable.
I will crap in his tea for the “war is lost” comments long before I worry about his mosque comments.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:32:44pm |
re: #187 Spare O’Lake
Good evening LGF.
So a non-denunciation on twitter is just peachy?
Saying that someone doesn’t speak for you means very little.
Give me a break.
I’ll bet it disappointed you that you couldn’t claim they supported Hamas.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:33:07pm |
re: #181 Stonemason
What some seem to be missing is that I do believe that there is a monstrous movement afoot, loaded with racism and bigotry. I have tried, to no avail, to point out that not all of any group is anything.
The hilarity that has ensued now that a prominent democrat (not an independent like Lieberman, who also opposes the location) has signed on to the bigot brigade the left here begin to obfuscate.Yes, I am enjoying it, I admit.
It bothers me to no end that I can’t find a damn republican to support this center, and my congressman is a ‘no comment’, which is better than opposition, but still not good.
I’m not seeing the obfuscation, at least on this thread, I just scanned the last few.
The tides are rising, and Reid is running scared. He’s jumping to the wrong side of this debate, IMNSHO, in an attempt to cover his ass. What would you like me to say?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:33:12pm |
re: #184 SpaceJesus
by the way, where are iceweasel and jimmah
ICE is on Injured Reserve ,,
She lost a struggle with a kitchen utensil. Snipped off a piece of finger
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:33:18pm |
re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist
Eating live reptiles is a football thing? Since when?
i think that doing randomly stupid things in support of a football team is a football thing…
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:33:20pm |
re: #175 Killgore Trout
I was expecting that video you found last night to generate some heat but I guess all the blogs and lefty news outlets are busy with the Ground Zero Mega Mosque.
Well… the mega-mosque has been the main subject on some blogs.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:33:21pm |
re: #193 sattv4u2
Ludwig ,,, I made a JOKE ,,, a FUNNY ,,,
Lighten up,,, getta grip,,, put a rubber band around your head and snap out of it!
Jjeeezzz
No you are just trying to be an asshole, people saw it, and you got embarrassed.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:33:31pm |
re: #187 Spare O’Lake
Right. Because nothing the Park51 people do will ever satisfy their critics, short of just not building at all. That’s because the criticism of Park51 isn’t about the location, or any imaginary ties to Hamas, or anything else. It’s just about the fact that it’s a Muslim project. That’s it.
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Kreuzueber Halbmond Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:33:48pm |
If the so-called Christians aren’t going to spread the word of Love, maybe some Muslims will step up to the plate. The GOP (Ground Zero Party) should stand down and see if the flowers will grow.
I HAD ASKED HER OF SPAIN
“You should see the rose gardens of Seville,” she said.
For I had asked her of Spain, I remember;
Of that fierce strange country.
And she had answered: “You should see the rose gardens.”
I smelt the sweet alyssum, the thyme, the lavender,
The young grass of the English lawn on which I lay.
She said nothing of the chocolate-colored Guadalquivir,
The proud pathway of the Conquistadores;
The pathway that Magellan travelled,
When he left on his last journey.
Nothing of the Giralda with its turning bells,
Turning from Moslem to Christian;
With its blue sky above Moorish minaret.
“You should see the rose gardens.”
And that is all I have ever seen —-
I have seen them as I think,
Pink and white, always thus:
And so I see them today.
There are no bombs there; there is no destruction;
And, if they smell perhaps faintly of sweet alyssum,
Of thyme, of lavender,
They will still be waiting for me some day when I come.
-Alice Jacqueline Shaw
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alexknyc Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:34:06pm |
re: #151 Stanley Sea
I am just soo happy that I don’t live in NV and don’t have to think about voting for either him or the Pinochet admirer (Angle). Yes, those on the side of the constitution and what is right are flabbergasted at the people who’ve come out against this.
(Is flabbergasted a cool word?)
I’m glad I don’t live in NV either.
And yes, it is.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:34:28pm |
re: #202 LudwigVanQuixote
No you are just trying to be an asshole, people saw it, and you got embarrassed.
Where did I “get embarrassed”??
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:34:35pm |
re: #184 SpaceJesus
by the way, where are iceweasel and jimmah
Hopefully, having fabulous, passionate and romantic times in the UK.
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:35:00pm |
re: #202 LudwigVanQuixote
No you are just trying to be an asshole, people saw it, and you got embarrassed.
“Trying” to be an asshole?
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Lidane Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:35:11pm |
re: #122 Sakublock
The Constitution > majority rule. Period.
They have the legal and Constitutional rights to build. They have the legal clearances they need to build. We have religious freedom in this country.
Deal. With. It.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:35:32pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:35:55pm |
re: #195 Racer X
I will crap in his tea for the “war is lost” comments long before I worry about his mosque comments.
Well, if you’re not worried about his mosque comments, let us move on.
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Political Atheist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:36:13pm |
re: #203 Lidane
Right. Because nothing the Park51 people do will ever satisfy their critics, short of just not building at all. That’s because the criticism of Park51 isn’t about the location, or any imaginary ties to Hamas, or anything else. It’s just about the fact that it’s a Muslim project. That’s it.
Bullseye.
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Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:36:14pm |
re: #201 Walter L. Newton
Well… the mega-mosque has been the main subject on some blogs.
Really?
Where?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:36:21pm |
re: #200 Aceofwhat?
i think that doing randomly stupid things in support of a football team is a football thing…
Ghhah.
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jordash1212 Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:36:23pm |
re: #187 Spare O’Lake
Please try harder to avoid the reality that not all Muslims believe what Hamas and the rest of the extremists believe.
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Stonemason Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:36:24pm |
re: #198 SanFranciscoZionist
I’m not seeing the obfuscation, at least on this thread, I just scanned the last few.
The tides are rising, and Reid is running scared. He’s jumping to the wrong side of this debate, IMNSHO, in an attempt to cover his ass. What would you like me to say?
Nothing in particular Sfz, I don’t think you were one of the commenter’s who attacked me. I made the same statement I have been making for over a week now, only with a Democrat in the mix, and was called a martyr.
I found that humorous.
Really, that’s all there is.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:36:46pm |
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:37:12pm |
re: #196 LudwigVanQuixote
I’ll bet it disappointed you that you couldn’t claim they supported Hamas.
Have you suspended your critical thought processes?
Why do they maintain their cute little refusal to denounce Hamas or at least to call it what it is - a terrorist organization?
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Stanley Sea Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:37:34pm |
re: #181 Stonemason
It’s not hilarious. That’s the problem with team playing, you look beyond the issue just for the “win”.
It’s damn sad that these people who actually put their hand on the bible and swear to uphold the Constitution don’t give a shit about it.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:37:49pm |
re: #218 Spare O’Lake
Have you suspended your critical thought processes?
Why do they maintain their cute little refusal to denounce the Army of God or at least to call it what it is - a terrorist organization?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:38:25pm |
re: #216 Stonemason
Nothing in particular Sfz, I don’t think you were one of the commenter’s who attacked me. I made the same statement I have been making for over a week now, only with a Democrat in the mix, and was called a martyr.
I found that humorous.
Really, that’s all there is.
The statement you’ve been making for over a week was already sort of a pain in the neck, but it doesn’t get notably worse with Harry Reid involved.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:38:44pm |
re: #218 Spare O’Lake
Have you suspended your critical thought processes?
Why do they maintain their cute little refusal to denounce Hamas or at least to call it what it is - a terrorist organization?
Well let’s see now. IT’S A TWITTER AND THERE ARE ONLY SO MANY CHARACTERS PER MESSAGE!
How about that?
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:39:13pm |
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jordash1212 Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:40:26pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:40:33pm |
re: #209 Lidane
The Constitution > majority rule. Period.
They have the legal and Constitutional rights to build. They have the legal clearances they need to build. We have religious freedom in this country.
Deal. With. It.
I have no problem with the mosque being built, but, populist opinion does somethings control the issues, usurps the constitution and wins… deal with it.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:40:35pm |
re: #187 Spare O’Lake
Good evening LGF.
So a non-denunciation on twitter is just peachy?
Saying that someone doesn’t speak for you means very little.
Give me a break.
dude.
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:40:38pm |
re: #223 LudwigVanQuixote
Well let’s see now. IT’S A TWITTER AND THERE ARE ONLY SO MANY CHARACTERS PER MESSAGE!
How about that?
Heh.
“@hamas: u r terrorist scum adn give all us a bad name; plz refudiate #icanhazmosque?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:41:16pm |
re: #222 SanFranciscoZionist
The statement you’ve been making for over a week was already sort of a pain in the neck, but it doesn’t get notably worse with Harry Reid involved.
I agree… Stonemason should stop making the statement.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:41:18pm |
re: #228 JasonA
Heh.
“@hamas: u r terrorist scum adn give all us a bad name; plz refudiate #icanhazmosque?
Brilliant.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:41:31pm |
re: #218 Spare O’Lake
Have you suspended your critical thought processes?
Why do they maintain their cute little refusal to denounce Hamas or at least to call it what it is - a terrorist organization?
Is there a list? Once they’re done with Hamas, do they go on to Hezbollah? The Muslim Brotherhood? Sendero Luminoso? The Real IRA?
Do I think Rauf is playing it a little safe in terms of what he says? Sure. Do I have the energy to go running after every religious leader in the country and hassle them into denouncing all the people they might not openly want to denounce? No, I do not.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:41:49pm |
re: #220 Racer X
Getting really sick of the mosque. Already.
I’ve been sick of it for ages. Hell, most of the time I don’t even care if they build a new community center up in North Austin, since I live down South. I’m even less inclined to care about a community center in lower Manhattan.
However, the sheer insanity of the anti-Muslim bigots and the cynical assholes on the right like Fox News demands some sort of response. It’s insane that people are falling for this kind of misinformation and bigotry all these years after the 9/11 attacks, and that they’re letting themselves be emotionally manipulated by a bunch of far right nutbars.
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Stonemason Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:41:51pm |
re: #219 Stanley Sea
It’s not hilarious. That’s the problem with team playing, you look beyond the issue just for the “win”.
It’s damn sad that these people who actually put their hand on the bible and swear to uphold the Constitution don’t give a shit about it.
Not what Reid said, that is bigoted crap. What is funny is the reaction of some here.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:42:06pm |
re: #215 jordash1212
Please try harder to avoid the reality that not all Muslims believe what Hamas and the rest of the extremists believe.
I never suggested that they did. The American government has denounced Hamas as a terrorist organization, but Imam Rauf will not.
Why?
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lawhawk Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:42:53pm |
Chris Christie (R-NJ) says both sides playing politics.
This is from Gov. Chris Christie at a press conference earlier today, weighing in with his first words on the ground zero-area mosque — and basically saying a pox on the houses of both political parties.The longtime federal prosecutor also urges people to take caution and not paint “all of Islam” as extremists.
Christie is not only a rising star among Republicans and many conservatives, but he also has partial control of the World Trade Center site because it’s owned by the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, giving his voice more weight than many.
Here’s my rough transcript of Christie:
“Given my last position, that I was the first U.S attorney post 9/11 in New Jersey, I understand acutely the pain and sorrow and upset of the family members who lost loved ones that day at the hands of radical Muslim extremists. And their sensitivities and concerns have to be taken into account. Just because it’s nearly nine years later, those sensitivities cannot and should not be ignored. On the other hand, we cannot paint all of Islam with that brush. …We have to bring people together. And what offends me the most about all this, is that it’s being used as a political football by both parties. And what disturbs me about the president’s remarks is that he is now using it as a political football as well. I think the president of the United State should rise above that. And should not be using this as a political football, and I don’t believe that it would be responsible of me to get involved and comment on this any further because it just put me in the same political arena as all of them.
“My principles on this are two-fold. One, that we have to acknowledge, respect and give some measure of deference to the feelings of the family members who lost their loved ones there that day. But it would be wrong to so overreact to that, that we paint Islam with a brush of radical Muslim extremists that just want to kill Americans because we are Americans. But beyond that … I am not going to get into it, because I would be guilty of candidly what I think some Republicans are guilty of, and the president is now, the president is guilty of, of playing politics with this issue, and I simply am not going to do it.”
Asked if he’d call upon both parties to stop, he said, “Well, that again will be playing politics with the issue. I said what I feel about it, and I don’t believe it is up to me to pontificate on other people about what they should do. I just observe what I observe. And I don’t believe that this issue should be a political football. I just don’t. And I think that both sides of this issue now are using this as a political football. And I don’t think it brings people together in America, I think it just further drives people apart, and creates divisions, and I think that’s bad for our country. And all people in our country suffer when those kind of things happen.”
And for that, he’s got right wingers going after him for making Obamaesque or Bloombergian statements… ugh
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:43:10pm |
re: #234 Spare O’Lake
I never suggested that they did. The American government has denounced Hamas as a terrorist organization, but Imam Rauf will not.
Why?
I’m not sure I follow, do you have a blackboard you could explain these questions with?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:43:33pm |
re: #229 Walter L. Newton
I agree… Stonemason should stop making the statement.
Why? It seems to give him enjoyment.
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mikhailtheplumber Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:43:44pm |
re: #166 LudwigVanQuixote
It is not strange at all. It has been carefully coaxed, nurtured and fed by Fox and a host of pundits for over two years now. With 24/7 fear hatred and loathing, what else would you expect?
Also, for the wingnuts the issue is more urgent than ever, with there being a sikret muslin maoist in the Oval Office and all.
//
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:44:11pm |
re: #234 Spare O’Lake
I never suggested that they did. The American government has denounced Hamas as a terrorist organization, but Imam Rauf will not.
Why?
Because just maybe it is undignified to assume he supports them until he proves his loyalty to your standards. If he does turn out to be a terrorist sympathizer, the Bush Administration didn’t notice when they made him a goto guy for Muslim outreach.
What is wrong with you?
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Kreuzueber Halbmond Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:44:11pm |
re: #234 Spare O’Lake
The American government has denounced Hamas as a terrorist organization, but Imam Rauf will not.
Why?
Read his book…
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abolitionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:44:47pm |
“…This [community center project] is also our expression of the 99.9999 percent of Muslims all over the world, including in America, who have condemned and continue to condemn terrorism.”
—Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, Imam Feisal Press Conference - Youtube video
It’s been alleged that Imam Rauf has repeatedly been asked if he would explicitly condemn Hamas for its terrorist activities, and that he has consistently declined to do so. If that’s a false allegation, a counterexample should be easy to find, and would be most welcome.
Apart from the issue of implicitly or explicitly condemning any particular organization, Rauf is saying only about 1 per million Muslims do NOT condemn terrorism, worldwide. That would be approximately 1500, by my estimate. Seems low.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:45:10pm |
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:45:35pm |
re: #223 LudwigVanQuixote
Well let’s see now. IT’S A TWITTER AND THERE ARE ONLY SO MANY CHARACTERS PER MESSAGE!
How about that?
How many characters does it take to say that Hamas is a terrorist organization and American Muslims denounce it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:45:42pm |
re: #234 Spare O’Lake
I never suggested that they did. The American government has denounced Hamas as a terrorist organization, but Imam Rauf will not.
Why?
He’s not a government? He’s not a government official?
I’m hearing different things, so someone sort this out for me. Has he said “I will not denounce Hamas”?
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austin_blue Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:45:49pm |
Here’s an interesting opinion piece from Ross Douthat in today’s NYT:
I generally agreed until the last sentence in the penultimate paragraph.
Dear Mr. Douthat;
The Towers were not felled in the name of Islam. They were felled by 19 members of a terrorist organization led by OBL. There’s a huge fucking difference.
Sincerely,
Austin_Blue
PS:
Oh, and a former Burlington Coat Factory store is not hallowed ground, whether it is two blocks or two miles from ground Zero. It is a commercial property in NYC.
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Stonemason Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:46:04pm |
re: #222 SanFranciscoZionist
The statement you’ve been making for over a week was already sort of a pain in the neck, but it doesn’t get notably worse with Harry Reid involved.
Okay, so when that statement was ‘updinged’ each time it was made, that was cool, ‘cause it was made about…
Okay I see I have passed the point of making sense. SFZ, none of this was directed at you, to be honest, you were the only poster who seemed to understand my original point so many days ago.
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Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:46:21pm |
re: #232 Lidane
I’ve been sick of it for ages. Hell, most of the time I don’t even care if they build a new community center up in North Austin, since I live down South. I’m even less inclined to care about a community center in lower Manhattan.
However, the sheer insanity of the anti-Muslim bigots and the cynical assholes on the right like Fox News demands some sort of response. It’s insane that people are falling for this kind of misinformation and bigotry all these years after the 9/11 attacks, and that they’re letting themselves be emotionally manipulated by a bunch of far right nutbars.
And now Harry Reid.
You forgot Harry.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:46:57pm |
re: #234 Spare O’Lake
Because it’s not his fucking obligation to kiss the asses of every anti-Muslim bigot in this country who think that he automatically agrees with Hamas because he’s a Muslim. That’s why.
He’s a Sufi Muslim, for fuck’s sake. Do you even know what a Sufi is? Radical terrorist groups like Hamas and Al Qaeda would be just as quick to attack a Sufi mosque/community center as they would anyone else because it’s seen as the wrong kind of Islam. All the hysterical idiots screaming about this “Ground Zero mosque” can’t seem to get that concept through their thick skulls. It’s maddening.
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:47:10pm |
re: #244 Spare O’Lake
How many characters does it take to say that Hamas is a terrorist organization and American Muslims denounce it.
So… now you want this guy to speak for all American Muslims?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:47:45pm |
re: #240 Kreuzueber Halbmond
Read his book…
[Link: books.google.com…]
It’s on my list of stuff to order from Amazon or the library.
Also, someone told me he wrote a handbook to sharia for the layperson. Is that available? I don’t see the title they wrote at Amazon.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:47:49pm |
re: #175 Killgore Trout
I was expecting that video you found last night to generate some heat but I guess all the blogs and lefty news outlets are busy with the Ground Zero Mega Mosque.
There’s that video, and there’s also this story, neither of which have I seen anything about in any major news organization.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:48:08pm |
re: #248 Racer X
Fuck Harry. In a just world, he’d have been bounced out on his old ass years ago. I don’t have a use for him and never have.
It’s just a damned shame that his Republican opponent is so bugfuck crazy and that no decent Dems primaried him out of office.
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Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:48:08pm |
Hee hee!
I learned a new word today.
“Rageboner”
I’m seeing what it means.
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:48:32pm |
re: #254 Racer X
Hee hee!
I learned a new word today.
“Rageboner”
I’m seeing what it means.
Just wish everyone would stop stroking it…
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:48:39pm |
re: #236 McSpiff
I’m not sure I follow, do you have a blackboard you could explain these questions with?
OLIGARHY!!!!!!!!!!!!eleventy
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:48:43pm |
re: #241 abolitionist
“…This [community center project] is also our expression of the 99.9999 percent of Muslims all over the world, including in America, who have condemned and continue to condemn terrorism.”
—Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, Imam Feisal Press Conference - Youtube videoIt’s been alleged that Imam Rauf has repeatedly been asked if he would explicitly condemn Hamas for its terrorist activities, and that he has consistently declined to do so. If that’s a false allegation, a counterexample should be easy to find, and would be most welcome.
Apart from the issue of implicitly or explicitly condemning any particular organization, Rauf is saying only about 1 per million Muslims do NOT condemn terrorism, worldwide. That would be approximately 1500, by my estimate. Seems low.
Actually, I’m not looking for a counterexample, I’m looking for a quote of him being asked to condemn and declining. I want to see what he actually said.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:48:49pm |
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:49:51pm |
re: #249 Lidane
Because it’s not his fucking obligation to kiss the asses of every anti-Muslim bigot in this country who think that he automatically agrees with Hamas because he’s a Muslim. That’s why.
He’s a Sufi Muslim, for fuck’s sake. Do you even know what a Sufi is? Radical terrorist groups like Hamas and Al Qaeda would be just as quick to attack a Sufi mosque/community center as they would anyone else because it’s seen as the wrong kind of Islam. All the hysterical idiots screaming about this “Ground Zero mosque” can’t seem to get that concept through their thick skulls. It’s maddening.
Algerian extremists ran amok among the Sufi - then turned on them selves.
For the bigoted Muslim extremists they have as many enemies in their own faith as they do outside it.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:50:07pm |
re: #244 Spare O’Lake
How many characters does it take to say that Hamas is a terrorist organization and American Muslims denounce it.
And then what group will you be complaining about? Because they’re is absolutely no link between this guy and hamas, so its just as valid to demand he dounce Islamic Jihad, AQ in Iraq or any number of Islamic terror groups.
Save yourself the breath, admit you don’t really view muslims as trustworthy or full citizens and we can all move on.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:50:12pm |
re: #247 Stonemason
Okay, so when that statement was ‘updinged’ each time it was made, that was cool, ‘cause it was made about…
Okay I see I have passed the point of making sense. SFZ, none of this was directed at you, to be honest, you were the only poster who seemed to understand my original point so many days ago.
OK. I’ve been not updinging the statement because I think it’s too sweeping, and I thought you were being sarcastic anyway.
Eh, let us move on. I’m thoroughly pissed at Reid, if that is any consolation.
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Stanley Sea Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:50:26pm |
re: #235 lawhawk
Bloomberg has really taken heat.
Did you check out the website of the lady who’s been quoted much as “the family’s against”
Debra Burlingame?
There was a really cryptic (to me) statement to Bloomberg on the front page last night, seems to be gone now.
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Political Atheist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:50:29pm |
O/T
LA Times exposes teacher performance, teachers union attempts to boycott LA Times. I have zero sympathy for that union or LAUSD.
Got caught? Too damn bad. Time to clean house.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:50:34pm |
Clean up in aisle 5. Mr. Food Lion was a sock and his green headed screenshots are on the stalker site.
Please recommend this post so Charles can see it and block appropriately.
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Kreuzueber Halbmond Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:51:00pm |
re: #251 SanFranciscoZionist
Sorry, not sure about the handbook.
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Political Atheist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:51:17pm |
re: #266 LudwigVanQuixote
Clean up in aisle 5. Mr. Food Lion was a sock and his green headed screenshots are on the stalker site.
Please recommend this post so Charles can see it and block appropriately.
Done
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3kids3dogs Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:52:54pm |
Aside from the legal question (which most seem to agree on) why is it insensitive to build a community center that contains a house of worship a couple of blocks from the WTC site?
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lawhawk Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:52:57pm |
re: #264 Stanley Sea
Burlingame has been one of the most prominent of the families with 9/11 victims. Her brother was pilot of the plane that was crashed into the Pentagon. And while I think she’s sincere in her belief that the community center shouldn’t be built there, I think she’s gotten in with the wrong crowd (Geller et al) in her opposition.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:53:12pm |
re: #259 Solomon2
Raheel Raza is author of Their Jihad … Not my Jihad, and Tarek Fatah is author of The Jew is Not My Enemy (McClelland & Stewart), to be launched in October.
What about the Epic Ramadan Jazz Jihad? Outrageous, eh?
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:54:31pm |
re: #231 SanFranciscoZionist
Is there a list? Once they’re done with Hamas, do they go on to Hezbollah? The Muslim Brotherhood? Sendero Luminoso? The Real IRA?
Do I think Rauf is playing it a little safe in terms of what he says? Sure. Do I have the energy to go running after every religious leader in the country and hassle them into denouncing all the people they might not openly want to denounce? No, I do not.
*sigh*
How is it “playing it safe” to refuse to call those fascist motherf….ing terrorist Hamas scum what they are? I expect that most Americans are not amused by that kind of verbal gamesmanship…in fact many may take it as a finger in the eye.
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abolitionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:54:35pm |
re: #257 SanFranciscoZionist
Actually, I’m not looking for a counterexample, I’m looking for a quote of him being asked to condemn and declining. I want to see what he actually said.
A quote of him being asked to condemn Hamas, and doing so, would be more meaningful to me. Once even, no matter whether he declined on various other occasions.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:54:52pm |
re: #259 Solomon2
If this mosque does get built, it will forever be a lightning rod for those who have little room for Muslims or Islam in the U.S. We simply cannot understand why on Earth the traditional leadership of America’s Muslims would not realize their folly and back out in an act of goodwill.
Nice mathematical proof you’ve got there:
(i) Bigot magnet will attract bigots.
∴ Bigot magnet bad!
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mikhailtheplumber Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:54:54pm |
re: #249 Lidane
Because it’s not his fucking obligation to kiss the asses of every anti-Muslim bigot in this country who think that he automatically agrees with Hamas because he’s a Muslim. That’s why.
He’s a Sufi Muslim, for fuck’s sake. Do you even know what a Sufi is? Radical terrorist groups like Hamas and Al Qaeda would be just as quick to attack a Sufi mosque/community center as they would anyone else because it’s seen as the wrong kind of Islam. All the hysterical idiots screaming about this “Ground Zero mosque” can’t seem to get that concept through their thick skulls. It’s maddening.
Quoted for ass-kicking truth.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:55:09pm |
re: #259 Solomon2
And this whole nasty slur was also posted at the stalker blog!
Clean up in aisle 5 again!
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jordash1212 Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:55:16pm |
re: #234 Spare O’Lake
I can’t teach you logic, but yours definitely has some gaping holes in it. I’ll clear the waters for you by exposing 2 logical fallacies: 1) Because one man does not explicitly condemn each and every force for evil in this world, that does mean he implicitly supports them. 2) Even if the leader does happen to support Hamas, how can you attribute that to an entire mosque? The view of one does not encompass all.
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Stanley Sea Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:55:44pm |
re: #261 McSpiff
And then what group will you be complaining about? Because they’re is absolutely no link between this guy and hamas, so its just as valid to demand he dounce Islamic Jihad, AQ in Iraq or any number of Islamic terror groups.
Save yourself the breath, admit you don’t really view muslims as trustworthy or full citizens and we can all move on.
Exactly. I’m so tired of the tip toeing around.
Others usually here, they just bailed.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:55:46pm |
re: #270 lawhawk
Burlingame has been one of the most prominent of the families with 9/11 victims. Her brother was pilot of the plane that was crashed into the Pentagon. And while I think she’s sincere in her belief that the community center shouldn’t be built there, I think she’s gotten in with the wrong crowd (Geller et al) in her opposition.
Pity, but it makes sense. I think there was some of that going on with Cindy Sheehan as well.
I hope, however this turns out, this woman finds some peace with it.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:55:58pm |
re: #272 Spare O’Lake
*sigh*
How is it “playing it safe” to refuse to call those fascist motherf…ing terrorist Hamas scum what they are? I expect that most Americans are not amused by that kind of verbal gamesmanship…in fact many may take it as a finger in the eye.
What about the terrorists group you haven’t denounced? Care to explain your own curious omissions? For someone who claims to be so opposed to terrorism I find your omissions….troubling, to say the least.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:56:03pm |
re: #276 LudwigVanQuixote
And this whole nasty slur was also posted at the stalker blog!
Clean up in aisle 5 again!
Ain’t too bright, are they?
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:56:37pm |
re: #272 Spare O’Lake
*sigh*
How is it “playing it safe” to refuse to call those fascist motherf…ing terrorist Hamas scum what they are? I expect that most Americans are not amused by that kind of verbal gamesmanship…in fact many may take it as a finger in the eye.
I’ve known quite a few Irish-Americans in my day who cheered on the IRA, nevermind refused to condemn them. I don’t see why this Imam has to jump over such a high bar to please you.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:56:48pm |
re: #280 McSpiff
What about the terrorists group you haven’t denounced? Care to explain your own curious omissions? For someone who claims to be so opposed to terrorism I find your omissions…troubling, to say the least.
His refusal to denounce Aum Shinrikyo is greatly disappointing.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:57:09pm |
re: #272 Spare O’Lake
*sigh*
How is it “playing it safe” to refuse to call those fascist motherf…ing terrorist Hamas scum what they are? I expect that most Americans are not amused by that kind of verbal gamesmanship…in fact many may take it as a finger in the eye.
You got a quote of him refusing to denounce Hamas? I’m trying to get a sense of what he’s saying or not saying about them that’s bothering people.
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Stanley Sea Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:57:09pm |
re: #270 lawhawk
Burlingame has been one of the most prominent of the families with 9/11 victims. Her brother was pilot of the plane that was crashed into the Pentagon. And while I think she’s sincere in her belief that the community center shouldn’t be built there, I think she’s gotten in with the wrong crowd (Geller et al) in her opposition.
Her website is crazy. Just crazy.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:57:25pm |
re: #273 abolitionist
A quote of him being asked to condemn Hamas, and doing so, would be more meaningful to me. Once even, no matter whether he declined on various other occasions.
Fair enough, but can I get the other one first?
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jayzee Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:57:35pm |
I’m wondering, if elements of this mosque’s committee felt sympathetic to Hamas or AQ, but broke no laws-would that change anyone’s opinion of their right to build this mosque? Or, like Christians (and other religious groups) are Muslims allowed to have opinions that are offensive to others?
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:57:45pm |
re: #239 LudwigVanQuixote
Because just maybe it is undignified to assume he supports them until he proves his loyalty to your standards. If he does turn out to be a terrorist sympathizer, the Bush Administration didn’t notice when they made him a goto guy for Muslim outreach.
What is wrong with you?
I do not assume he supports them. I do assume that he does not wish to alienate those who sympathize with them.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:57:46pm |
re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist
Oh. I was kidding.
Sorry.
Oh.
I knew you were kidding.
I wasn’t though.
LOL.
Different lens.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:58:21pm |
re: #283 Varek Raith
His refusal to denounce Aum Shinrikyo is greatly disappointing.
Its true. Spare’s focus on Islamic terrorism at the expense of all others doesn’t really make sense…. unless its an attempt to divert attention?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:59:06pm |
re: #273 abolitionist
A quote of him being asked to condemn Hamas, and doing so, would be more meaningful to me. Once even, no matter whether he declined on various other occasions.
Seriously, I would like people’s help here. I want a quote, because it will explain to me where this issue begins. I am afraid to go looking myself, because, frankly, Google is full of the most awesome craptacularness about this man, so I would prefer it if someone has a quote from him about Hamas for me to examine.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:59:17pm |
re: #288 Spare O’Lake
I do not assume he supports them. I do assume that he does not wish to alienate those who sympathize with them.
Personally I think he should do everything within his power to alienate twits such as yourself, but this is probably why I’m not a man of god…
‘Alienate’ raving bigots, like that’s hard.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 16, 2010 5:59:56pm |
re: #283 Varek Raith
His refusal to denounce Aum Shinrikyo is greatly disappointing.
Not to mention the total lack of denouncing the Shining Path, the IRA and the Orange Volunteers. I mean really. If you’re going to denounce terrorism, at least be consistent about it. =P
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:00:21pm |
re: #282 JasonA
I’ve known quite a few Irish-Americans in my day who cheered on the IRA, nevermind refused to condemn them. I don’t see why this Imam has to jump over such a high bar to please you.
Yeah. Can we get a protest going over Ireland’s 32 in San Francisco? No?
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:00:40pm |
re: #249 Lidane
Because it’s not his fucking obligation to kiss the asses of every anti-Muslim bigot in this country who think that he automatically agrees with Hamas because he’s a Muslim. That’s why.
He’s a Sufi Muslim, for fuck’s sake. Do you even know what a Sufi is? Radical terrorist groups like Hamas and Al Qaeda would be just as quick to attack a Sufi mosque/community center as they would anyone else because it’s seen as the wrong kind of Islam. All the hysterical idiots screaming about this “Ground Zero mosque” can’t seem to get that concept through their thick skulls. It’s maddening.
Denouncing Hamas = asskissing bigots?
Good fucking grief, man.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:01:04pm |
re: #293 Lidane
Not to mention the total lack of denouncing the Shining Path, the IRA and the Orange Volunteers. I mean really. If you’re going to denounce terrorism, at least be consistent about it. =P
Yeppers.
Every organisation - by name and in order of hideousness………..
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mikhailtheplumber Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:01:06pm |
re: #272 Spare O’Lake
*sigh*
How is it “playing it safe” to refuse to call those fascist motherf…ing terrorist Hamas scum what they are? I expect that most Americans are not amused by that kind of verbal gamesmanship…in fact many may take it as a finger in the eye.
They’ve also failed to denounce Hitler and Stalin as genocidal nutbags and Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy as not being real.
Really, their evil knows no end.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:01:13pm |
re: #293 Lidane
Not to mention the total lack of denouncing the Shining Path, the IRA and the Orange Volunteers. I mean really. If you’re going to denounce terrorism, at least be consistent about it. =P
Do we really want someone so wishy-washy on a serious issue like terrorism at this blog? I know its legal and all, but why won’t Spare consider the other posters here? Why this refusal to do what’s right for our southern allies?
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Lidane Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:01:21pm |
re: #282 JasonA
I’ve known quite a few Irish-Americans in my day who cheered on the IRA, nevermind refused to condemn them. I don’t see why this Imam has to jump over such a high bar to please you.
Because he’s a Muslim, of course. Didn’t you get the memo?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:02:15pm |
re: #291 SanFranciscoZionist
Seriously, I would like people’s help here. I want a quote, because it will explain to me where this issue begins. I am afraid to go looking myself, because, frankly, Google is full of the most awesome craptacularness about this man, so I would prefer it if someone has a quote from him about Hamas for me to examine.
At your service
During an interview on New York WABC radio in June 2010, Abdul Rauf declined to say whether he agreed with the U.S. State Department’s designation of Hamas as a terrorist organization. Responding to the question, Rauf said, “I’m not a politician. I try to avoid the issues. The issue of terrorism is a very complex question… I am a peace builder. I will not allow anybody to put me in a position where I am seen by any party in the world as an adversary or as an enemy.”[26][27] Sarah Palin and Rick Lazio criticized his refusal to agree with the assessment of the United States that Hamas is a terrorist organization, and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said Abdul Rauf had supported radical causes that sympathized with Islamic terrorism.[28][29][29][30][31]
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Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:03:07pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:03:38pm |
re: #287 jayzee
I’m wondering, if elements of this mosque’s committee felt sympathetic to Hamas or AQ, but broke no laws-would that change anyone’s opinion of their right to build this mosque? Or, like Christians (and other religious groups) are Muslims allowed to have opinions that are offensive to others?
I am not at all sure that Rauf does not harbor some sympathies for folks I would call terrorists and he would call freedom fighters. There are reasons for this, some of which are based on personal experience and political knowledge, and others of which come out of stereotyping, suspicion, and probably (FLASHWORD here) bigotry.
If he isn’t being accused of some actual crime, it changes nothing. He still gets to build a community center in Manhattan.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:03:43pm |
re: #281 Varek Raith
Ain’t too bright, are they?
NO they are busy calling for Mecca to be nuked and all Shiite Muslims to be gassed with nerve gas.
When they aren’t doing that, they are mostly frothing about how much I am a supporter of Hizballah, because I am somehow opposed (as a Jew no less) to gassing women and children in Lebanon.
I wonder why the idea of gassing innocent women and children would be particularly offensive to me….
They are utter scum and none to bright.
But they are also truly a reflection of the evil that the right has sunk into. The reason to shine light on these cockroaches is so that the sane world sees the sort that supports people like Angle and Bachmann and the teabags.
With out a doubt there is a cancer in America. These are not just our stalkers, they are little different from the legions who listen to Rush and watch Fox 24/7. This is what that media blitz has created very carefully and nourished in those weak minds susceptible to the message.
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Political Atheist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:03:57pm |
IMHO
Denouncing violence will do. It’s foolish to be blind to the nuances within Muslim populations about Hamas and what all they do.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:04:13pm |
re: #288 Spare O’Lake
I do not assume he supports them. I do assume that he does not wish to alienate those who sympathize with them.
Then why were you so baffled by my reference to ‘playing it safe’? And do you have a quote for me?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:04:19pm |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:04:21pm |
re: #287 jayzee
I’m wondering, if elements of this mosque’s committee felt sympathetic to Hamas or AQ, but broke no laws-would that change anyone’s opinion of their right to build this mosque? Or, like Christians (and other religious groups) are Muslims allowed to have opinions that are offensive to others?
I assume there’s probably some level of sympathy for Hamas. It’s very rare to see Muslim groups denounce Hamas and if they do it’s usually in the form of denouncing all “terrorist” activity including Israeli. That’s just the way it is. As long as they aren’t sending money or material support they are allowed to root for who ever they want.
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Food Lion Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:04:55pm |
re: #266 LudwigVanQuixote
Clean up in aisle 5. Mr. Food Lion was a sock and his green headed screenshots are on the stalker site.
Please recommend this post so Charles can see it and block appropriately.
Excuse me?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:05:23pm |
re: #282 JasonA
I’ve known quite a few Irish-Americans in my day who cheered on the IRA, nevermind refused to condemn them. I don’t see why this Imam has to jump over such a high bar to please you.
To be honest, if he were pro-Hamas, I would hate his guts. I would grit my teeth and argue that the First Amendment still prevailed, but I would also be in favor of heavy surveillance of all activities there.
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abolitionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:06:09pm |
re: #291 SanFranciscoZionist
Seriously, I would like people’s help here. I want a quote, because it will explain to me where this issue begins. I am afraid to go looking myself, because, frankly, Google is full of the most awesome craptacularness about this man, so I would prefer it if someone has a quote from him about Hamas for me to examine.
Agree. I’ve been looking.
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Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:06:21pm |
Mr. and Mrs. Claus enjoy sitting out on the deck and watching the huge traffic jams each day.
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Nimed Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:06:22pm |
re: #272 Spare O’Lake
*sigh*
How is it “playing it safe” to refuse to call those fascist motherf…ing terrorist Hamas scum what they are? I expect that most Americans are not amused by that kind of verbal gamesmanship…in fact many may take it as a finger in the eye.
The thing is, it’s not usual to put a “to denounce” list in front of every cleric that wants to build a place of worship.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:06:27pm |
re: #284 SanFranciscoZionist
You got a quote of him refusing to denounce Hamas? I’m trying to get a sense of what he’s saying or not saying about them that’s bothering people.
Not only Hamas.
nypost.com
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:06:42pm |
re: #295 Spare O’Lake
Denouncing Hamas = asskissing bigots?
Good fucking grief, man.
In a certain context, yes, it actually is. If I think the church down the street shouldn’t be able to build until they’ve denounced Scott Roeder, the guys causing trouble in Uganda and the Lord’s Resistance Army, and I keep repeating “But why won’t they denounce them?” I’m being an asshole. I’m demanding they pass a purity test before I leave them alone.
Now, quote? Please?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:06:42pm |
And on those notes, the long, quiet RAINY ride home awaits
No telling what’s in store. Last night, on a back country road about a mile from my house I came across a stray dog wandering alone. No collar, no tags.
He’s at my house now cavorting with my two dogs. The county is coming out in the morning to “wand” him to see if he has a chip!
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Political Atheist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:07:06pm |
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:07:26pm |
re: #309 LudwigVanQuixote
To be honest, if he were pro-Hamas, I would hate his guts. I would grit my teeth and argue that the First Amendment still prevailed, but I would also be in favor of heavy surveillance of all activities there.
Can’t remember where I got this from, but apparently in some cases FBI informants are the only klansman with fully paid up dues in their local group. I suspect a similar situation in this case.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:07:44pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:07:58pm |
re: #308 Food Lion
Excuse me?
Well you see my little stalker troll friend, Your posts are up on the Diary of Dipshits. You might notice that what you post for you and you alone has a green header.
So the screenshots there, came from you.
Which one are you before you are banned?
And while we are at it, fuck you sideways.
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Stonemason Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:08:00pm |
re: #291 SanFranciscoZionist
Seriously, I would like people’s help here. I want a quote, because it will explain to me where this issue begins. I am afraid to go looking myself, because, frankly, Google is full of the most awesome craptacularness about this man, so I would prefer it if someone has a quote from him about Hamas for me to examine.
There was an interview I read throguh EBSCO a week or two ago, I am having trouble finding it right now, using the wrong key words I guess, I will post when I find it.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:08:06pm |
re: #295 Spare O’Lake
Yeah, good fucking grief. I’ve about had it with people who can’t get it through their thick skulls that this guy is a Sufi Muslim, and that he would just as easily be a target of Al Qaeda and Hamas as anyone else would because his branch of Islam is seen as the “wrong” kind by those terrorist nutjobs.
Why in the hell does he have to explicitly denounce anything to satisfy you when the people you want him to denounce would attack him for what he believes just like they would anyone else? The tweet at the top of this page is pretty clear. They’ve officially said that Hamas doesn’t speak for them. That’s more than enough and the only ones who want more can’t wrap their heads around the simple fucking concept that there are different kinds of Muslims and they don’t automatically agree, like some weird hive mind.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:08:10pm |
re: #300 Walter L. Newton
At your service
During an interview on New York WABC radio in June 2010, Abdul Rauf declined to say whether he agreed with the U.S. State Department’s designation of Hamas as a terrorist organization. Responding to the question, Rauf said, “I’m not a politician. I try to avoid the issues. The issue of terrorism is a very complex question… I am a peace builder. I will not allow anybody to put me in a position where I am seen by any party in the world as an adversary or as an enemy.”[26][27] Sarah Palin and Rick Lazio criticized his refusal to agree with the assessment of the United States that Hamas is a terrorist organization, and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani said Abdul Rauf had supported radical causes that sympathized with Islamic terrorism.[28][29][29][30][31]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
Thanks! OK, that gives me some context.
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jayzee Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:08:33pm |
SFZ and KT
I agree with you both 100%. I loath what Rev Wright said, for example, but don’t recall anyone discussing whether the church should be shuttered or not.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:09:21pm |
re: #320 LudwigVanQuixote
You have a mail.
*waves*
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:09:26pm |
re: #307 Killgore Trout
I assume there’s probably some level of sympathy for Hamas. It’s very rare to see Muslim groups denounce Hamas and if they do it’s usually in the form of denouncing all “terrorist” activity including Israeli. That’s just the way it is. As long as they aren’t sending money or material support they are allowed to root for who ever they want.
Feh. And yes.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:09:34pm |
re: #324 jayzee
SFZ and KT
I agree with you both 100%. I loath what Rev Wright said, for example, but don’t recall anyone discussing whether the church should be shuttered or not.
Don’t give them any ideas!
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webevintage Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:09:40pm |
re: #199 sattv4u2
ICE is on Injured Reserve ,,
She lost a struggle with a kitchen utensil. Snipped off a piece of finger
What is it about kitchen utensils?
I had a paring knife try to kill me this weekend.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:09:56pm |
re: #309 LudwigVanQuixote
To be honest, if he were pro-Hamas, I would hate his guts. I would grit my teeth and argue that the First Amendment still prevailed, but I would also be in favor of heavy surveillance of all activities there.
If he’s pro-Hamas I will probably not enroll in the macrame class. And I sure ain’t getting in the pool.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:09:58pm |
re: #324 jayzee
SFZ and KT
I agree with you both 100%. I loath what Rev Wright said, for example, but don’t recall anyone discussing whether the church should be shuttered or not.
Did we miss that? Thanks for reminding me. I will put that on our “things to be outrage” about list. We should be able to close down Wright’s church in no time.
//
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:10:13pm |
re: #325 Floral Giraffe
You have a mail.
*waves*
I’ m going to have to do some work shortly. Give me a call.
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Political Atheist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:10:21pm |
re: #320 LudwigVanQuixote
Well you see my little stalker troll friend, Your posts are up on the Diary of Dipshits. You might notice that what you post for you and you alone has a green header.
So the screenshots there, came from you.
Which one are you before you are banned?
And while we are at it, fuck you sideways.
Well done dude!
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Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:10:31pm |
re: #320 LudwigVanQuixote
Well you see my little stalker troll friend, Your posts are up on the Diary of Dipshits. You might notice that what you post for you and you alone has a green header.
So the screenshots there, came from you.
Which one are you before you are banned?
And while we are at it, fuck you sideways.
Hahahahahahahahaha!
I’m dying here.
“Oops”
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:10:48pm |
re: #328 webevintage
What is it about kitchen utensils?
I had a paring knife try to kill me this weekend.
heh ,,,, the slotted spoon and I aren’t on speaking terms!!
(don’t ask!)
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:11:19pm |
re: #307 Killgore Trout
I assume there’s probably some level of sympathy for Hamas. It’s very rare to see Muslim groups denounce Hamas and if they do it’s usually in the form of denouncing all “terrorist” activity including Israeli. That’s just the way it is. As long as they aren’t sending money or material support they are allowed to root for who ever they want.
Hamas stood for - and won - elections, elections the western world called for. Rightly or wrongly they are the rulers of a highly unstable part of the world - less corrupt on the ground and more efficient than the PLO at service delivery to the plebs.
Solidarity with the palestinian people is a cornerstone of pretty much all Muslim belief - radical/moderate/mildly non-plussed. Denouncing the defacto government elected by Palestinians is not as easy as it seems.
What we may see as “denouncing terrorism” is seen elsewhere as “abandoning the people of Palestine” to eleven.
Thats my dis-passionate assessment.
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Food Lion Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:11:24pm |
re: #316 Rightwingconspirator
Is what Ludwig said true or false?
What is the accusation? I’m a sock? False.
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mikhailtheplumber Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:11:30pm |
re: #329 SanFranciscoZionist
If he’s pro-Hamas I will probably not enroll in the macrame class. And I sure ain’t getting in the pool.
That’s “bomb-macrame” and, just so you know, there are like 72 virgins in that pool.
//
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webevintage Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:11:57pm |
I just watch Unwrapped on The Food Network and they had the thing called The Grilled Cheese Truck on.
You folks in the LA area…OMG! mac & cheese, pulled BBQ pork, caramelized onions all on a grilled cheese sandwich?
I am so jealous.
I’ll have to make myself one (or try to) the next time I have left over M&C and BBQ.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:12:01pm |
re: #334 sattv4u2
heh ,,, the slotted spoon and I aren’t on speaking terms!!
(don’t ask!)
gotta be careful with those sporks…tricky little bastards
| 340 |
Gus Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:12:01pm |
re: #320 LudwigVanQuixote
Well you see my little stalker troll friend, Your posts are up on the Diary of Dipshits. You might notice that what you post for you and you alone has a green header.
So the screenshots there, came from you.
Which one are you before you are banned?
And while we are at it, fuck you sideways.
I’m not sure. I agree that Food Lion is a pain in the ass but I’m looking now and not seeing the green and neither seeing his Food Lion avatar image.
| 341 |
Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:12:17pm |
I’ve had enough of the GZM nonsense for one day. Later, all.
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Political Atheist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:12:49pm |
re: #336 Food Lion
What is the accusation? I’m a sock? False.
Don’t try to play me. You have posted screen shots at the stalker site.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:13:09pm |
re: #335 wozzablog
Hamas stood for - and won - elections, elections the western world called for. Rightly or wrongly they are the rulers of a highly unstable part of the world - less corrupt on the ground and more efficient than the PLO at service delivery to the plebs.
Solidarity with the palestinian people is a cornerstone of pretty much all Muslim belief - radical/moderate/mildly non-plussed. Denouncing the defacto government elected by Palestinians is not as easy as it seems.
What we may see as “denouncing terrorism” is seen elsewhere as “abandoning the people of Palestine” to eleven.
Thats my dis-passionate assessment.
And while my hobby, avocation, and life’s passion is getting people to see all of that differently, it’s a fact on the ground.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:13:31pm |
re: #340 Gus 802
I’m not sure. I agree that Food Lion is a pain in the ass but I’m looking now and not seeing the green and neither seeing his Food Lion avatar image.
Look at the green number on the second post. They got sloppy.
| 345 |
Food Lion Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:13:35pm |
re: #320 LudwigVanQuixote
Well you see my little stalker troll friend, Your posts are up on the Diary of Dipshits. You might notice that what you post for you and you alone has a green header.
So the screenshots there, came from you.
Which one are you before you are banned?
And while we are at it, fuck you sideways.
I have on idea what you are talking about. But since you’re accusing me of something, fuck you too.
| 346 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:13:42pm |
re: #336 Food Lion
What is the accusation? I’m a sock? False.
I suppose the specific accusation is that you are providing aid, comfort, and screen shots to a certain blog that ain’t this one.
Are you providing those screen shots?
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Gus Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:14:06pm |
re: #344 LudwigVanQuixote
Look at the green number on the second post. They got sloppy.
I noticed that. Something seems odd there.
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ReamWorks SKG Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:14:19pm |
If these Ground Zero Mosque folks were consistent, they’d also be opposed to the “Ground Zero Cross”. (I suspect they all love that thing…)
I for one, am opposed to the “Ground Zero Cross” if it is displayed on public property. But I’m not opposed to the “Ground Zero Mosque”. And I don’t think I’m inconsistent.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:14:25pm |
re: #337 mikhailtheplumber
That’s “bomb-macrame” and, just so you know, there are like 72 virgins in that pool.
//
Yes, but they’re all attending the middle school boys swim meet aren’t they?
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:15:03pm |
re: #343 SanFranciscoZionist
And while my hobby, avocation, and life’s passion is getting people to see all of that differently, it’s a fact on the ground.
realpolitik.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:15:26pm |
re: #338 webevintage
If you want some really good mac & cheese, try this one:
I’ve made it a few times here at home. Yummy stuff. I definitely recommend it.
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mikhailtheplumber Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:15:31pm |
re: #349 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes, but they’re all attending the middle school boys swim meet aren’t they?
They might now be middle school boys, but a few years ago they were terror-babies!
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:16:23pm |
re: #347 Gus 802
I noticed that. Something seems odd there.
No, I think he’s clean. If you put your mouse over any post’s number, it turns green. They’re shooting that. It doesn’t have the green header.
Apologies, Food Lion. I should have checked before commenting.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:17:05pm |
re: #348 reuven
If these Ground Zero Mosque folks were consistent, they’d also be opposed to the “Ground Zero Cross”. (I suspect they all love that thing…)
[Link: www.usatoday.com…]
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
I for one, am opposed to the “Ground Zero Cross” if it is displayed on public property. But I’m not opposed to the “Ground Zero Mosque”. And I don’t think I’m inconsistent.
Let’s ask Harry Reid if he is opposed to the Ground Zero Cross?
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:17:21pm |
re: #344 LudwigVanQuixote
Look at the green number on the second post. They got sloppy.
The green number just means the mouse was positioned there when the screencap was made. I don’t see the green header.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:17:23pm |
re: #324 jayzee
SFZ and KT
I agree with you both 100%. I loath what Rev Wright said, for example, but don’t recall anyone discussing whether the church should be shuttered or not.
Good point.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:18:12pm |
re: #347 Gus 802
I noticed that. Something seems odd there.
He disabled his icon when he made the capture, but he forgot the green on the one that was his, that he sent in to the other sock that made the main post.
Those ones are grey.
So I want to talk about how Donato used to abuse his mother and that girl Rhonda until she left him. Left him because he was a pathetic half man POS.
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lawhawk Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:18:21pm |
re: #348 reuven
The cross is currently displayed at a nearby church along Church Street. It is expected to be moved back to Ground Zero as part of the 9/11 museum exhibit.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:18:30pm |
re: #344 LudwigVanQuixote
Look at the green number on the second post. They got sloppy.
WTF. Shouldn’t we have better proof before we go accusing someone of this behavior?
| 360 |
Political Atheist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:18:39pm |
re: #353 SanFranciscoZionist
No, I think he’s clean. If you put your mouse over any post’s number, it turns green. They’re shooting that. It doesn’t have the green header.
Apologies, Food Lion. I should have checked before commenting.
Oh hell. Me too then.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:18:49pm |
re: #322 Lidane
Let me get this straight.
Hamas hates the Sufi Imam and wishes him harm, so this explains why he will not denounce them or even agree with US Government policy calling them out as a terrorist organization.
Is that it?
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webevintage Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:19:08pm |
re: #351 Lidane
If you want some really good mac & cheese, try this one:
[Link: www.foodnetwork.com…]
I’ve made it a few times here at home. Yummy stuff. I definitely recommend it.
Mmmmm, that looks good.
I make a M&C that starts with 2 of the box stuff (just easier that way, but I don’t use all the stuff in the envelopes) and you add like a cup or so of of sour cream and extra butter and a couple of eggs and a couple of cups of chedder and then pepper, mix and then cook it in the oven.
| 363 |
Gus Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:19:10pm |
re: #353 SanFranciscoZionist
No, I think he’s clean. If you put your mouse over any post’s number, it turns green. They’re shooting that. It doesn’t have the green header.
Apologies, Food Lion. I should have checked before commenting.
Ah, OK. Now I can stop looking. Been over a month. Pretty funny that they’re still monitoring us. We’re very important people obviously. //
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Food Lion Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:19:18pm |
re: #346 SanFranciscoZionist
I suppose the specific accusation is that you are providing aid, comfort, and screen shots to a certain blog that ain’t this one.
Are you providing those screen shots?
I’m not providing anyone with anything. I don’t even know where the stalker blog is. This is kind of ridiculous.
| 365 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:19:30pm |
re: #357 LudwigVanQuixote
He disabled his icon when he made the capture, but he forgot the green on the one that was his, that he sent in to the other sock that made the main post.
Those ones are grey.
So I want to talk about how Donato used to abuse his mother and that girl Rhonda until she left him. Left him because he was a pathetic half man POS.
re: #353 SanFranciscoZionist
No, I think he’s clean. If you put your mouse over any post’s number, it turns green. They’re shooting that. It doesn’t have the green header.
Apologies, Food Lion. I should have checked before commenting.
re: #359 Aceofwhat?
WTF. Shouldn’t we have better proof before we go accusing someone of this behavior?
| 366 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:20:10pm |
LVQ jumping to the most extreme conclusion, and slandering a poster? Color me unsurprised.
| 367 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:20:23pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:20:25pm |
re: #364 Food Lion
I’m not providing anyone with anything. I don’t even know where the stalker blog is. This is kind of ridiculous.
Sorry, we’re a paranoid bunch around here. Not without cause, but still, kind of paranoid.
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webevintage Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:20:42pm |
re: #352 mikhailtheplumber
They might now be middle school boys, but a few years ago they were terror-babies!
The TERROR BABIES stuff is just hi-larious…the only thing that would make the crazy better is if they were scared of TERROR KITTAHS!!!!
| 370 |
Political Atheist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:20:52pm |
re: #345 Food Lion
I have on idea what you are talking about. But since you’re accusing me of something, fuck you too.
Okay if you did not post screen shots of the thread at the stalker blog I apologize. I took some capable members here at their word on the available evidence.
| 371 |
Gus Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:20:59pm |
re: #368 SanFranciscoZionist
Sorry, we’re a paranoid bunch around here. Not without cause, but still, kind of paranoid.
What do you mean?!
/
| 372 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:21:29pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:21:36pm |
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:21:38pm |
re: #368 SanFranciscoZionist
Sorry, we’re a paranoid bunch around here. Not without cause, but still, kind of paranoid.
The problem is that both sides get their needs met out of the arrangement >>
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:21:49pm |
re: #345 Food Lion
And give a wet sloppy kiss to Natasha and Guggi for me :)
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Kragar Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:21:52pm |
re: #368 SanFranciscoZionist
Sorry, we’re a paranoid bunch around here. Not without cause, but still, kind of paranoid.
Can’t sleep, trolls will eat me
Can’t sleep, trolls will eat me
Can’t sleep, trolls will eat me
Can’t sleep, trolls will eat me
Can’t sleep, trolls will eat me
Can’t sleep, trolls will eat me
Can’t sleep, trolls will eat me
| 377 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:22:14pm |
Tip for all posters: If you spend time on LGF and not the stalker blogs, you might have some idea of how this site works!
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:22:17pm |
re: #307 Killgore Trout
I assume there’s probably some level of sympathy for Hamas. It’s very rare to see Muslim groups denounce Hamas and if they do it’s usually in the form of denouncing all “terrorist” activity including Israeli. That’s just the way it is. As long as they aren’t sending money or material support they are allowed to root for who ever they want.
Are they entitled to be shocked and outraged if most Americans think their “rooting” for an officially designated terror entity sucks the big one?
| 379 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:22:28pm |
re: #375 LudwigVanQuixote
And give a wet sloppy kiss to Natasha and Guggi for me :)
Ludwig… it’s apparent that Food Lion did not make those screen captures.
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Gus Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:22:32pm |
re: #376 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Can’t sleep, trolls will eat me
Can’t sleep, trolls will eat me
Can’t sleep, trolls will eat me
Can’t sleep, trolls will eat me
Can’t sleep, trolls will eat me
Can’t sleep, trolls will eat me
Can’t sleep, trolls will eat me
There’s a man on the wing of the plane!
//Gwemlins!?
/
| 381 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:22:37pm |
re: #375 LudwigVanQuixote
And give a wet sloppy kiss to Natasha and Guggi for me :)
Ludwig, read what I wrote. Why am I wrong?
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:22:41pm |
re: #378 Spare O’Lake
Are they entitled to be shocked and outraged if most Americans think their “rooting” for an officially designated terror entity sucks the big one?
Of course. Doesn’t affect building permits tho.
| 383 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:23:02pm |
re: #381 SanFranciscoZionist
Ludwig, read what I wrote. Why am I wrong?
You’re not. He’s just having too much fun gloating.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:23:04pm |
re: #361 Spare O’Lake
No. He’s a private citizen and imam who is a Sufi, and therefore theologically and ideologically opposed to groups like Hamas, since Muslims aren’t a hive mind. Believe it or not, they don’t all agree on everything. I know that’s difficult to understand, but it’s true.
He’s not under any obligation to denounce them to your satisfaction. Period. Park51 has denounced them and said that Hamas does not and will not speak for them. That’s enough. If you want more from him, tough shit. He doesn’t owe it to you or anyone else. All the rest is just a bunch of tedious whining on your part demanding that he jump through hoops for you, when he doesn’t have to do any such thing.
Is that clear enough for you?
| 385 |
Food Lion Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:23:05pm |
re: #353 SanFranciscoZionist
No, I think he’s clean. If you put your mouse over any post’s number, it turns green. They’re shooting that. It doesn’t have the green header.
Apologies, Food Lion. I should have checked before commenting.
Thank you.
| 386 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:23:14pm |
re: #378 Spare O’Lake
Are they entitled to be shocked and outraged if most Americans think their “rooting” for an officially designated terror entity sucks the big one?
Would it be better if it were an unofficial terror entity?
| 387 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:23:17pm |
| 388 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:23:36pm |
re: #378 Spare O’Lake
That’s all built on an ‘I assume’ anyways.
Not that it would matter in the least if there was sympathy.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:24:19pm |
re: #368 SanFranciscoZionist
Sorry, we’re a paranoid bunch around here. Not without cause, but still, kind of paranoid.
Fuck, you’re reading my mind-waves with some kind of device, aren’t you.
/off to buy tinfoil … but you knew that.
| 390 |
Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:24:36pm |
Punch in nose saves man from polar bear
Nose most sensitive part
Later, Werbowy said he was applauded by Inuit elders, who believe the polar bear will never bother another human again.
Enuapik said the advice that saved Werbowy’s life is well known to Inuit hunters in Nunavut, which is home to much of Canada’s polar bear population.
“My uncle fought a bear three times,” Enuapik told The Canadian Press. “The three encounters he had with a bear, he always would punch its nose. It’s the most sensitive part of the polar bear.”
As for Werbowy, he said every day since that fateful punch has felt like a blessing.
“I do not have a scratch, and the bear is alive. We didn’t have to kill him,” he said. “It was a win-win-win all the way around.”
| 391 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:24:37pm |
re: #335 wozzablog
Solidarity with the palestinian people is a cornerstone of pretty much all Muslim belief - radical/moderate/mildly non-plussed. Denouncing the defacto government elected by Palestinians is not as easy as it seems.
Agreed. It is also a huge weakness in Islamic thought. It would be much better for Muslims world wide if they were less influenced by the Palestinians. Palestinian style warfare (pointless suicide attacks on civilians, random un-aimed rocketfire, car bombs, hostage taking, political assassinations, and generally increasing their own suffering) has become a model of warfare by in Iraq, Afghanistan, Thailand, Malaysia, Philippines etc. They have learned that by increasing their own suffering they get international pity. It’s a lousy model but it is very hard to defeat.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:24:39pm |
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ReamWorks SKG Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:24:49pm |
re: #358 lawhawk
I know. And that makes it a tough call. It’s in a “museum” and it is a item of some significance (albeit self-important significance.)
But still, I see it as an affront to all the Jews, Muslims, Atheists, etc. who died in 9/11. And I think it is purposely being positioned to be just that. People want to make this into some sort of Christian event….
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:25:15pm |
re: #384 Lidane
No. He’s a private citizen and imam who is a Sufi, and therefore theologically and ideologically opposed to groups like Hamas, since Muslims aren’t a hive mind. Believe it or not, they don’t all agree on everything. I know that’s difficult to understand, but it’s true.
He’s not under any obligation to denounce them to your satisfaction. Period. Park51 has denounced them and said that Hamas does not and will not speak for them. That’s enough. If you want more from him, tough shit. He doesn’t owe it to you or anyone else. All the rest is just a bunch of tedious whining on your part demanding that he jump through hoops for you, when he doesn’t have to do any such thing.
Is that clear enough for you?
WE ARE THE BORG.
YOU WILL BE DHIMIFIED.
ALL YOUR ZONING LOTS WILL BE ADAPTED TO SERVICE US.
GOD IS GREAT.
| 395 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:25:20pm |
re: #379 Walter L. Newton
Ludwig… it’s apparent that Food Lion did not make those screen captures.
No it is apparent that he is over there.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:25:32pm |
re: #392 LudwigVanQuixote
Ludwig, to some degree, ‘so what’?
let them spend their time obsessing with a blog. Unless they’re actively threatening people you’re only getting them off by giving them so much emotional energy.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:25:47pm |
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jayzee Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:25:54pm |
re: #356 Killgore Trout
Good point.
Thanks. I just feel that defending this mosque upon the merits of anything other than the constitutionality of the issue is unnecessary.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:25:57pm |
If Newt is a bigot for opposing the mosque, and not just pandering to bigots, then the same is true of Harry.
And, factually speaking, saying that “Hamas will not speak for us” does not mean the same thing as “we will not speak for Hamas”.
I’m saying these things because I haven’t been downdinged in a few days.
No, wait…I’m saying them because they’re true.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:26:05pm |
re: #378 Spare O’Lake
Are they entitled to be shocked and outraged if most Americans think their “rooting” for an officially designated terror entity sucks the big one?
Sure. Count me among them.
| 403 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:26:24pm |
re: #381 SanFranciscoZionist
Ludwig, read what I wrote. Why am I wrong?
The comments that they wrote when they responded to my post.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:27:20pm |
re: #400 Cato the Elder
I think the difference is that Newt is intentionally promoting bigotry for gain, whereas Reid is just being a puss and giving in to the bigots.
Both are bad, but they’re certainly very different from each other.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:27:47pm |
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HoosierHoops Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:27:50pm |
re: #345 Food Lion
I have on idea what you are talking about. But since you’re accusing me of something, fuck you too.
Are you providing screen shots to the stalker blog? Yes or no?
Come clean here…
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webevintage Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:27:57pm |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:27:59pm |
re: #399 jayzee
Thanks. I just feel that defending this mosque upon the merits of anything other than the constitutionality of the issue is unnecessary.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:28:05pm |
re: #389 goddamnedfrank
Fuck, you’re reading my mind-waves with some kind of device, aren’t you.
/off to buy tinfoil … but you knew that.
And here are the instructions
Top seekrit.
Do. Not. Show. To. Anybody.
| 410 |
Food Lion Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:28:13pm |
I didn’t mean to cause such a stir. I was only commenting on what I perceived to be a bigoted comment. I’m against racism and bigotry in all forms. I guess I shouldn’t have said anything until I was more familiar with the poster and his/her intents. I should probably lurk for awhile. Again, I apologize.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:28:18pm |
re: #406 HoosierHoops
not sure what that would prove anyways, ‘no’ is an easy word to type >>
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:28:25pm |
re: #382 McSpiff
Of course. Doesn’t affect building permits tho.
Well, actually it can. I’ve mentioned a number of times, over the last few days, that, right or wrong… populist opinion can trump constitutional guarantees. We’ve seen it with certain people imprisoned for sedition during WWI, we’ve seen it with how American Germans and Japanese were treated during WWII, and McCarthy wipe up a lot of support and denied a lot of people their rights during the late 50’s.
And right now, there is a awful a lot of populist opinion tracking against this mosque… Broken down by party affiliation, 54 percent of Democrats oppose the plans while 82 percent of Republicans disapprove. Meanwhile, 70 percent of independents said they are against the proposal.
| 413 |
Stanley Sea Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:28:27pm |
re: #378 Spare O’Lake
Are they entitled to be shocked and outraged if most Americans think their “rooting” for an officially designated terror entity sucks the big one?
Dude, this is where I have to pipe in. “Americans” Where do you live?
| 414 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:29:03pm |
re: #413 Stanley Sea
Dude, this is where I have to pipe in. “Americans” Where do you live?
At this point, who knows? >>
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:29:10pm |
re: #410 Food Lion
I didn’t mean to cause such a stir. I was only commenting on what I perceived to be a bigoted comment. I’m against racism and bigotry in all forms. I guess I shouldn’t have said anything until I was more familiar with the poster and his/her intents. I should probably lurk for awhile. Again, I apologize.
You’re allowed to be wrong here. Just not allowed to pretend to be someone you aren’t, or assist those who are banned from here. If that’s not the case, you’ve done nothing you need to apologize for.
| 417 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:29:50pm |
re: #405 McSpiff
If they run they’re stalkers… if they stand there, they’re well trained stalkers!
And fine we will let Charles do some web fu. If I am wrong, I apologize.
| 418 |
Food Lion Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:29:50pm |
re: #406 HoosierHoops
Are you providing screen shots to the stalker blog? Yes or no?
Come clean here…
NO!
Enough already.
| 419 |
Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:29:59pm |
re: #407 webevintage
hahahaha
I love the play pit on the roof…and where are our flying cars?
They are on back order. The shop is busy filling the “Sugar Frosted Unicorns” order.
| 420 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:30:01pm |
re: #412 Walter L. Newton
Well, actually it can. I’ve mentioned a number of times, over the last few days, that, right or wrong… populist opinion can trump constitutional guarantees. We’ve seen it with certain people imprisoned for sedition during WWI, we’ve seen it with how American Germans and Japanese were treated during WWII, and McCarthy wipe up a lot of support and denied a lot of people their rights during the late 50’s.
And right now, there is a awful a lot of populist opinion tracking against this mosque… Broken down by party affiliation, 54 percent of Democrats oppose the plans while 82 percent of Republicans disapprove. Meanwhile, 70 percent of independents said they are against the proposal.
Yes, I’m being a tad idealistic I realize. And you’re right that we can’t assume that constitutional guarantees are a given. Point well taken.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:30:32pm |
re: #417 LudwigVanQuixote
And fine we will let Charles do some web fu. If I am wrong, I apologize.
Really? You’re gonna go ahead and let Charles do that? Swell guy you are LVQ.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:30:41pm |
re: #420 McSpiff
We can certainly hope and believe they won’t this time tho’.
I suspect that the center is gonna make it despite all the idiocy.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:31:04pm |
re: #384 Lidane
Read the article - Rauf did not articulate your specious argument.
nypost.com
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webevintage Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:31:14pm |
re: #419 Racer X
They are on back order. The shop is busy filling the “Sugar Frosted Unicorns” order.
My unicorn better be rainbow covered and fart stars…
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Political Atheist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:31:21pm |
re: #392 LudwigVanQuixote
re: #359 Aceofwhat?
re: #346 SanFranciscoZionist
You can tell from their comments.
But fine guys.
Don’t believe me.
Look I’m not going there. It’s simple. If you are right we got played. If you are wrong I screwed up too. I can’t really tell from where I sit. Apparently not even if I dig through the muck.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:31:35pm |
re: #422 windsagio
We can certainly hope and believe they won’t this time tho’.
I suspect that the center is gonna make it despite all the idiocy.
I hope so, seems like all the proper official bodies are doing the right thing.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:31:39pm |
re: #399 jayzee
Thanks. I just feel that defending this mosque upon the merits of anything other than the constitutionality of the issue is unnecessary.
It’s the only standard that counts.
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HoosierHoops Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:32:04pm |
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Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:32:07pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:32:15pm |
re: #400 Cato the Elder
If Newt is a bigot for opposing the mosque, and not just pandering to bigots, then the same is true of Harry.
And, factually speaking, saying that “Hamas will not speak for us” does not mean the same thing as “we will not speak for Hamas”.
I’m saying these things because I haven’t been downdinged in a few days.
No, wait…I’m saying them because they’re true.
I actually think Newt and Harry are both pandering to bigots.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:32:21pm |
re: #425 Rightwingconspirator
Look I’m not going there. It’s simple. If you are right we got played. If you are wrong I screwed up too. I can’t really tell from where I sit. Apparently not even if I dig through the muck.
The answer is easy, “Don’t sweat what they think”
if you got played it doesn’t matter unless you let it matter.
*Practices sitting like Buddha*
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Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:32:38pm |
re: #423 Spare O’Lake
Read the article - Rauf did not articulate your specious argument.
[Link: www.nypost.com…]
That article is pure misleading bullshit. I’ve listened to the full audio of that interview, and the description in the New York Post is a distorted pile of crap.
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:32:45pm |
re: #410 Food Lion
I didn’t mean to cause such a stir. I was only commenting on what I perceived to be a bigoted comment. I’m against racism and bigotry in all forms. I guess I shouldn’t have said anything until I was more familiar with the poster and his/her intents. I should probably lurk for awhile. Again, I apologize.
As far as I can tell, you have nothing to apologize for, but are currently owed one.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:32:53pm |
re: #403 LudwigVanQuixote
The comments that they wrote when they responded to my post.
Forgive me, but I’m not going to go back to check. Those guys make me queasy. We shall see.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:32:53pm |
re: #404 windsagio
I think the difference is that Newt is intentionally promoting bigotry for gain, whereas Reid is just being a puss and giving in to the bigots.
Both are bad, but they’re certainly very different from each other.
I honestly don’t see how Newt’s doing it for gain is different from Harry’s doing it for votes.
Perhaps your moral compass twitches more finely than mine does, but aren’t “votes” a kind of gain, and isn’t Reid, morally speaking, as detestable as Gingrich?
Or is it OK (or at least Better) When Democrats Do It?
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Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:33:02pm |
re: #430 SanFranciscoZionist
I actually think Newt and Harry are both pandering to bigots.
Ding ding ding ding!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:33:21pm |
re: #421 McSpiff
Really? You’re gonna go ahead and let Charles do that? Swell guy you are LVQ.
Dude, I know you are pissed because we tangled over Israel. Fine. If I am wrong then I am wrong. I’ll apologize too even if I am wrong. But I am not.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:33:25pm |
re: #420 McSpiff
Yes, I’m being a tad idealistic I realize. And you’re right that we can’t assume that constitutional guarantees are a given. Point well taken.
Yep. It’s happened. William Jennings Bryant is a good example of a populist that almost got just what he wanted. I have no problems with the mosque, actually, I don’t give a damn, it’s not an issue for me. But, there is no doubt, it now has become a national issue, a national populist issue, and when you even have politicians like Reid giving tactic support to the anti-mosque brigade, you have a real national issue.
An issue that will be a large deciding factor in November.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:33:38pm |
re: #435 Cato the Elder
Rather its the difference between inciting and caving.
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Political Atheist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:33:45pm |
re: #418 Food Lion
NO!
Enough already.
Fair enough. Again I apologize as I’ll take your word for it. I’m done with this as well. Geez I hate the creepy side of blogging.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:33:58pm |
re: #425 Rightwingconspirator
Look I’m not going there. It’s simple. If you are right we got played. If you are wrong I screwed up too. I can’t really tell from where I sit. Apparently not even if I dig through the muck.
Hey that’s fair.
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eastsider Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:34:30pm |
I just can’t take it. I can’t read about the people who are fear-mongering for short term political gain, who play to the lowest common denominator, and who are, if not winning the debate at least owning the framing of the argument.
Its depressing.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:34:33pm |
re: #410 Food Lion
I didn’t mean to cause such a stir. I was only commenting on what I perceived to be a bigoted comment. I’m against racism and bigotry in all forms. I guess I shouldn’t have said anything until I was more familiar with the poster and his/her intents. I should probably lurk for awhile. Again, I apologize.
Notice how people suspected you of ulterior motives. In this case, it was for a reason.
Now imagine how it might feel for the Muslim developers of Cordoba House to have this insane pack of fools accusing them of being terrorists, for no reason whatsoever.
Feel that little twinge? That was your conscience.
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Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:34:39pm |
re: #438 LudwigVanQuixote
Dude, I know you are pissed because we tangled over Israel. Fine. If I am wrong then I am wrong. I’ll apologize too even if I am wrong. But I am not.
Place your cursor over any post #. It turns green. Take a screen shot. Not your post?
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:34:56pm |
re: #438 LudwigVanQuixote
Dude, I know you are pissed because we tangled over Israel. Fine. If I am wrong then I am wrong. I’ll apologize too even if I am wrong. But I am not.
We have never, ever tangled over Israel. Its despicable for you to even suggest that.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:35:20pm |
re: #443 eastsider
I just can’t take it. I can’t read about the people who are fear-mongering for short term political gain, who play to the lowest common denominator, and who are, if not winning the debate at least owning the framing of the argument.
Its depressing.
I still think that this is a dead end for them in the long term, unless they actually get the damn thing blocked.
Starry Eyed Dreamer that I am :)
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:35:35pm |
re: #441 Rightwingconspirator
Fair enough. Again I apologize as I’ll take your word for it. I’m done with this as well. Geez I hate the creepy side of blogging.
Yea…. It’s like internet McCarthyism. Creepy stuff.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:35:36pm |
re: #446 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Hello Crimestoppers!
Excuse me?!?!
You dare insult me, a super villian?!?!
ZZZAAAPPP
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:35:51pm |
re: #435 Cato the Elder
I honestly don’t see how Newt’s doing it for gain is different from Harry’s doing it for votes.
Perhaps your moral compass twitches more finely than mine does, but aren’t “votes” a kind of gain, and isn’t Reid, morally speaking, as detestable as Gingrich?
Or is it OK (or at least Better) When Democrats Do It?
Not at all. And in Reid’s case, he’s choosing his race over backing a Democratic president. We all make choices, but in this case he’s choosing the wrong side, and screwing Obama, who did the right thing.
This is enough to make me a little cranky with Mr. Reid.
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3kids3dogs Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:36:04pm |
re: #269 3kids3dogs
Aside from the legal question (which most seem to agree on) why is it insensitive to build a community center that contains a house of worship a couple of blocks from the WTC site?
Anyone? This is an honest question regarding a sentiment I’ve seen expressed here and I’m genuinely curious. Apparently it’s also an opinion held by 2/3 of the country and I really don’t understand it.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:36:11pm |
re: #440 windsagio
Rather its the difference between inciting and caving.
A distinction without a difference.
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Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:36:19pm |
re: #447 McSpiff
We have never, ever tangled over Israel. Its despicable for you to even suggest that.
You all look alike.
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Food Lion Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:36:22pm |
HoosierHoops, JeffinOhio and RightWingConspirator.
Thank you. I appreciate it.
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:36:25pm |
re: #432 Charles
That article is pure misleading bullshit. I’ve listened to the full audio of that interview, and the description in the New York Post is a distorted pile of crap.
Ding ding ding.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:36:34pm |
re: #440 windsagio
Rather its the difference between inciting and caving.
Or trying to work the name “Reid” into as many comments as possible on this thread :)
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:36:46pm |
re: #439 Walter L. Newton
Yep. It’s happened. William Jennings Bryant is a good example of a populist that almost got just what he wanted. I have no problems with the mosque, actually, I don’t give a damn, it’s not an issue for me. But, there is no doubt, it now has become a national issue, a national populist issue, and when you even have politicians like Reid giving tactic support to the anti-mosque brigade, you have a real national issue.
An issue that will be a large deciding factor in November.
As my grandpa advised, we’ve all just gotta do the right thing and hope for the best.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:36:49pm |
re: #425 Rightwingconspirator
Look I’m not going there. It’s simple. If you are right we got played. If you are wrong I screwed up too. I can’t really tell from where I sit. Apparently not even if I dig through the muck.
i agree. better to be patient and risk being played than be an asshole and risk wrongfully accusing someone.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:36:57pm |
re: #450 Varek Raith
Excuse me?!?!
You dare insult me, a super villian?!?!
ZZZAAAPPP
Looking sinister is not a super power.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:37:11pm |
re: #452 windsagio
It was the UN he’s referring to >
Believe me, I know exactly why I consider LVQ nothing more than a petty arm chair extremist. But this is neither the time nor the place. I just won’t let anyone smear me as anti-Israeli or anti-Zionist. My support of Israel is, always has been, and always will be unwavering.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:37:24pm |
re: #454 Cato the Elder
A distinction without a difference.
Wow, really?
It’s a substantial difference, and one of them is doing a ton more harm than the other.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:37:52pm |
re: #444 Charles
Notice how people suspected you of ulterior motives. In this case, it was for a reason.
Now imagine how it might feel for the Muslim developers of Cordoba House to have this insane pack of fools accusing them of being terrorists, for no reason whatsoever.
Feel that little twinge? That was your conscience.
From that I take it I was mistaken. Mr. Food Lion, I apologize.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:38:02pm |
re: #458 Walter L. Newton
Or trying to work the name “XXXX” into as many comments as possible on this thread :)
The more the better!
Had to redact part of your post tho’, sorry ;)
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:38:46pm |
re: #1 windsagio
Also, let me once again express my utter loathing for the evil/hateful pundits that have pushed us to that point and the banal/evil political party that’s been doing so much to help them spread the message.
It’s the Dems’ own fault for letting them get away with it. The current crop of loudmouths currently pissing away the last vestiges of GOP intellectual honesty with a Spiraflow high-PSI pressure wash of high-octane stupid are AMAZINGLY low-hanging fruit. If the Democrats had anyone like a James Carville (or Karl Rove for that matter) working strategy, the GOP would be (as my dear sweet grandmother used to say) shit plumb out of luck. But right now it looks like they’re just content to sit and watch the Crazy Train to blasting past.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:38:51pm |
re: #465 windsagio
The more the better!
Had to redact part of your post tho’, sorry ;)
That’s alright… I would feel really bad if I forced you in using the name “Reid” I understand :)
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Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:38:55pm |
Kitty is all ears.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:39:22pm |
re: #335 wozzablog
Hamas stood for - and won - elections, elections the western world called for. Rightly or wrongly they are the rulers of a highly unstable part of the world - less corrupt on the ground and more efficient than the PLO at service delivery to the plebs.
Solidarity with the palestinian people is a cornerstone of pretty much all Muslim belief - radical/moderate/mildly non-plussed. Denouncing the defacto government elected by Palestinians is not as easy as it seems.
What we may see as “denouncing terrorism” is seen elsewhere as “abandoning the people of Palestine” to eleven.
Thats my dis-passionate assessment.
Rauf in particular, and Muslims in general, may be legally entitled to refuse to denounce Hamas if they want, but they shouldn’t expect Americans to recognize Rauf as supporting US ME foreign policy, especially since the State Department’s assessment of Hamas as a terrorist organization is crystal clear.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:39:25pm |
re: #467 windsagio
I… will let it drop then >>
Sorry for saying anything
Pfft, you’re cool as dirt. No worries my friend.
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Political Atheist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:39:27pm |
re: #460 Aceofwhat?
Now there is a good internet rule to live by. +++
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:39:36pm |
re: #469 Walter L. Newton
That’s alright… I would feel really bad if I forced you in using the name I understand :)
Something’s wrong with my computer, or maybe your post doesn’t make any sense.
You miss a word in there? >>
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jayzee Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:39:39pm |
re: #463 windsagio
Wow, really?
It’s a substantial difference, and one of them is doing a ton more harm than the other.
That’s interesting. I think you could argue that Reid might have done more damage.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:39:52pm |
re: #463 windsagio
Wow, really?
It’s a substantial difference, and one of them is doing a ton more harm than the other.
Because one is a Rethuglican, and other is a Dummycrat?
Wow. Partisan, much?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:39:59pm |
re: #445 Racer X
Place your cursor over any post #. It turns green. Take a screen shot. Not your post?
I’m still not so sure, but from Charles’ post I clearly owe an apology.
So again,
Mr, Food lion, I apologize.
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eastsider Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:40:10pm |
re: #448 windsagio
I still think that this is a dead end for them in the long term, unless they actually get the damn thing blocked.
Starry Eyed Dreamer that I am :)
[bolding mine]
wind, we agree as per usual.
Its a fundamental misalignment of performance incentives. Politics interferes with governance pretty badly when officials focus on short term windows (like a 2 year election cycle). Its only gotten worse as the 24 hour news cycle has been cemented into our culture, and now the insta-punditry of the internet has emerged as a way where you can go from ho-hum administrator to political outcast in half a day.
Politicians are no longer looking at all into the future, and are only concerned with winning the next day (or hour!). Which is a major problem when these are the people in place to govern our country, which is supposed to operate, ideally, on a timeframe of decades, or even centuries.
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:40:11pm |
re: #444 Charles
Notice how people suspected you of ulterior motives. In this case, it was for a reason.
Now imagine how it might feel for the Muslim developers of Cordoba House to have this insane pack of fools accusing them of being terrorists, for no reason whatsoever.
Feel that little twinge? That was your conscience.
I’m not sure why he needs to be reminded he has a conscience. Here are his statements on the Cordoba House.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:41:01pm |
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:41:21pm |
re: #432 Charles
That article is pure misleading bullshit. I’ve listened to the full audio of that interview, and the description in the New York Post is a distorted pile of crap.
It sure misled me. Link please.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:41:44pm |
re: #477 Cato the Elder
re: #476 jayzee
I cannot believe you guys are saying this.
It’s… it’s mindblowing.
But no, its not a partisan thing. I just think that lying for political gain is worse both morally and in effect than folding to the other guys lies.
Folding is contemptable, but I’ve already said that like 5 times.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:41:55pm |
re: #472 Spare O’Lake
Rauf in particular, and Muslims in general, may be legally entitled to refuse to denounce Hamas if they want, but they shouldn’t expect Americans to recognize Rauf as supporting US ME foreign policy, especially since the State Department’s assessment of Hamas as a terrorist organization is crystal clear.
As far as I know, Mr. Rauf has not asked me to recognize his support for US foreign policy. If he does, we will have to talk.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:42:39pm |
It’s so hard to believe in anything anymore. I mean, it’s like, religion, you really can’t take it seriously, because it seems so mythological, it seems so arbitrary…but, on the other hand, science is just pure empiricism, and by virtue of its method, it excludes metaphysics. I guess I wouldn’t believe in anything any more if it weren’t for my lucky astrology mood watch.
-Steve Martin
I can post whatever I want. It’s my birthday.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:42:44pm |
re: #462 McSpiff
Believe me, I know exactly why I consider LVQ nothing more than a petty arm chair extremist. But this is neither the time nor the place. I just won’t let anyone smear me as anti-Israeli or anti-Zionist. My support of Israel is, always has been, and always will be unwavering.
You know you were right, it was over the UN blue hats and the Hezzies shooting at Isrealis. Something that you didn’t have so many problems with.
McSpiff. You do carry grudges for a while. That’s fine.
I’ll keep our arguments to the facts.
Like the known collusion of blue hats with the Hezzies, their rape and prostitution ring in the former Yugoslavia and their uselessness in Rwanda.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:43:27pm |
re: #479 eastsider
[bolding mine]
wind, we agree as per usual.
Its a fundamental misalignment of performance incentives. Politics interferes with governance pretty badly when officials focus on short term windows (like a 2 year election cycle). Its only gotten worse as the 24 hour news cycle has been cemented into our culture, and now the insta-punditry of the internet has emerged as a way where you can go from ho-hum administrator to political outcast in half a day.
Politicians are no longer looking at all into the future, and are only concerned with winning the next day (or hour!). Which is a major problem when these are the people in place to govern our country, which is supposed to operate, ideally, on a timeframe of decades, or even centuries.
The GOP has been pursuing that strategy since Nixon, gotta admit I’m dismayed that it’s worked as long as it has.
I just have the feeling that its nearing the breaking point, especially as the people most likely to be subject to the tactic are filtering out of the system (if you get my drift >>)
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Food Lion Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:43:34pm |
re: #444 Charles
Notice how people suspected you of ulterior motives. In this case, it was for a reason.
Now imagine how it might feel for the Muslim developers of Cordoba House to have this insane pack of fools accusing them of being terrorists, for no reason whatsoever.
Feel that little twinge? That was your conscience.
I didn’t accuse the developers of Cordoba House of anything. I came out in support of Cordoba and their Constitutional Rights in the other thread. I said something about another commenter using the term “white man” in a derogatory manner and I get opinions attributed to me about Cordoba that are completely unrelated. And I am not a sock puppet.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:43:44pm |
re: #483 windsagio
re: #476 jayzee
I cannot believe you guys are saying this.
It’s… it’s mindblowing.
But no, its not a partisan thing. I just think that lying for political gain is worse both morally and in effect than folding to the other guys lies.
Folding is contemptable, but I’ve already said that like 5 times.
“Folding to the other guys’ lies” in this case = repeating them = lying your own self.
I see no difference whatsoever. And I would no longer vote for Reid for any reason, including to save the country from Sharron Angle.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:43:52pm |
re: #472 Spare O’Lake
Rauf in particular, and Muslims in general, may be legally entitled to refuse to denounce Hamas if they want, but they shouldn’t expect Americans to recognize Rauf as supporting US ME foreign policy, especially since the State Department’s assessment of Hamas as a terrorist organization is crystal clear.
So Rauf, who’s done government sanctioned tours of the ME, in support of US foreign policy, shouldn’t be recognized as…. supporting US foreign policy?
How does that make any sense to you?
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:44:14pm |
re: #489 Cato the Elder
“Folding to the other guys’ lies” in this case = repeating them = lying your own self.
I see no difference whatsoever. And I would no longer vote for Reid for any reason, including to save the country from Sharron Angle.
Luckily neither your nor I have to worry about that :P
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:44:27pm |
re: #485 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It’s so hard to believe in anything anymore. I mean, it’s like, religion, you really can’t take it seriously, because it seems so mythological, it seems so arbitrary…but, on the other hand, science is just pure empiricism, and by virtue of its method, it excludes metaphysics. I guess I wouldn’t believe in anything any more if it weren’t for my lucky astrology mood watch.
-Steve MartinI can post whatever I want. It’s my birthday.
Happy Birthday, dude. What kind of cake?
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:45:11pm |
I think people are just channeling their hatred for Reid over various things and are glad to have something to hit him for, btw.
(you win, Walter, I said the word!)
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:45:24pm |
re: #486 LudwigVanQuixote
Look, you got called out for shitting on the rug. Don’t try to use me as a distraction.
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oriana fan Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:45:36pm |
re: #104 Walter L. Newton
re: #60 wrenchwench
That is what you call a nailing? Honestly, really?
He announced that he knew what was is in my heart of hearts? Your little buddy refused to redress my argument…It was so long ago, but I seemed to think that it was that none of you were able to refute the Imam’s outrageously tolerant remarks towards terrorism and the role radical Islam has played in it.
The state deptartment can send him wherever they want, he can speak at as many CAIR dinners he wants, but it will not change the fact that this man of G-d cannot condemn the lobbying of missles into civilian territories. That is what this is all about. The west has sat on its hands for 40 years of terrorism directed by the Arab states. We are now so used to it that the idea of setting off a bomb on a bus no longer shakes us. So, now when this Imam can find nothing bad to say about Hamas, its ok with y’all.
Well to quote Rev. Wright, the chickens have come home to the roost.
We have been so diluted by moral relativism that we cannot even defend ourselves from those who wish ill.
Remember, this man has said that the causes of terrorism are “complex.”
Have you all lost your minds?
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eastsider Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:45:41pm |
re: #485 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
It’s so hard to believe in anything anymore. I mean, it’s like, religion, you really can’t take it seriously, because it seems so mythological, it seems so arbitrary…but, on the other hand, science is just pure empiricism, and by virtue of its method, it excludes metaphysics. I guess I wouldn’t believe in anything any more if it weren’t for my lucky astrology mood watch.
-Steve MartinI can post whatever I want. It’s my birthday.
Steve Martin never read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, apparently.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:45:44pm |
re: #495 McSpiff
lol spiff, please drop it. We know where this goes >>
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Food Lion Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:45:50pm |
re: #464 LudwigVanQuixote
From that I take it I was mistaken. Mr. Food Lion, I apologize.
Thank you. Lets move on. I do appreciate it.
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jayzee Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:45:52pm |
re: #483 windsagio
re: #476 jayzee
I cannot believe you guys are saying this.
It’s… it’s mindblowing.
But no, its not a partisan thing. I just think that lying for political gain is worse both morally and in effect than folding to the other guys lies.
Folding is contemptable, but I’ve already said that like 5 times.
I’m a Republican, and am disgusted with “my” party’s attack here (amongst other things). That being said, there was nothing new with Gingrich doing what others in the GOP are doing. With Reid taking on this issue the way he did, that adds a whole new dimension here. One potentially more damaging. When your adversaries are you adversaries, makes sense, but when your allies turn on you…..
| 501 |
Stanley Sea Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:45:58pm |
re: #453 3kids3dogs
Anyone? This is an honest question regarding a sentiment I’ve seen expressed here and I’m genuinely curious. Apparently it’s also an opinion held by 2/3 of the country and I really don’t understand it.
It isn’t “insensitive” unless you paint an entire religion by the actions of terrorists.
That sentiment isn’t in the majority here at LGF. And regarding the 2/3’s. They don’t live in Manhattan #1, and #2, they have been fed the fear.
| 502 |
Political Atheist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:46:22pm |
re: #485 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Happy Birthday and many more!
Wait, have we seen your birth cert?!! :)
| 503 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:46:28pm |
re: #490 McSpiff
So Rauf, who’s done government sanctioned tours of the ME, in support of US foreign policy, shouldn’t be recognized as… supporting US foreign policy?
How does that make any sense to you?
He’s the best they got?
| 507 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:47:23pm |
re: #499 Food Lion
May I ask for a Nic explanation? Piggly Wiggly would’ve been funnier.
| 508 |
darthstar Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:47:31pm |
I’m sorry, everybody, but I’m not apologizing to anyo—aw, fuck…welcome aboard, Food Lion.
| 509 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:47:35pm |
re: #498 windsagio
lol spiff, please drop it. We know where this goes >>
Its dropped. I know LVQ embarrassed himself and now needs to do his tough man routine. I fully expect a full page rant attacking things no one has said, possibly suggesting that I be tried for war crimes since I dared accuse the UN of incompetence instead of malice.
| 510 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:47:56pm |
re: #505 theheat
There’s some on my chin and a little on my shirt. You’re welcome to it.
| 511 |
Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:48:05pm |
re: #496 oriana fan
hey. you. with the questionable taste in music.
what in the name of Zeus does any of that mewling have to do with whether these folks should be issued a building permit?
| 512 |
HoosierHoops Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:48:23pm |
re: #497 eastsider
Steve Martin never read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, apparently.
I read that book…Which would be really surprising to some here
| 513 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:48:25pm |
re: #503 Spare O’Lake
He’s the best they got?
Alright, so Rauf maybe/kina/supports Hamas, and you think he’s the most moderate Imam in the US, at least according to the state department. You really don’t think much of muslims do you?
| 514 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:48:36pm |
re: #495 McSpiff
Look, you got called out for shitting on the rug. Don’t try to use me as a distraction.
I’m not. I already apologized twice.
I am addressing you now for your outbursts.
Actually not.
Nevermind, anyone can look up your comments on that thread and see where your grudge started.
515 |
freetoken Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:48:39pm |
| 516 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:48:58pm |
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mich-again Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:49:05pm |
Heads up.. There will soon be an outrageous outrage over the new Madden 2011 game. When your team wins the Super Bowl, after the game, the MVP gets to meet and shake hands with President Obama. ha.
| 519 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:49:10pm |
re: #497 eastsider
Tried reading that. I, obviously wasn’t nearly cool enough to “get it”.
520 |
theheat Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:49:12pm |
re: #510 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
On second thought… But thanks for the offer. I guess your birthdays are more of a BYOC affair.
| 521 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:49:19pm |
re: #496 oriana fan
Remember, this man has said that the causes of terrorism are “complex.”Have you all lost your minds?
The causes of terrorism are pretty complex.
Now, what should we do in the present situation?
| 522 |
Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:49:22pm |
re: #506 b_sharp
What the heck did I miss?
Rageboners
Bigots everywhere
Tin foil hats
Conspiracy theories
Conclusions were jumped
Rageboners
| 523 |
darthstar Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:49:39pm |
re: #496 oriana fan
Don’t be a penis. This is a family site.
| 524 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:49:44pm |
re: #472 Spare O’Lake
Rauf in particular, and Muslims in general, may be legally entitled to refuse to denounce Hamas if they want, but they shouldn’t expect Americans to recognize Rauf as supporting US ME foreign policy, especially since the State Department’s assessment of Hamas as a terrorist organization is crystal clear.
I was not addressing you. You are on time out with me for not addressing this yesterday.
But do kindly checkout this - it is a point you are yet to address. Why was he good enough for GWB? - but, in your mind, not for the NYC zoning board……?…….
re: #490 McSpiff
| 525 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:50:02pm |
re: #522 Racer X
Rageboners
Bigots everywhere
Tin foil hats
Conspiracy theories
Conclusions were jumped
Rageboners
Conclusions…jumped…if I put a mat in there…Racer old boy, we’re gonna be rich, rich I say!
| 527 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:50:15pm |
re: #517 mich-again
Heard that Eli had his head split wide open a bit ago.
| 528 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:50:21pm |
re: #509 McSpiff
You really have a hard on tonight don’t you?
So ummm let’s talk about how well the blue hats work and how well they are performing their mandate in Lebanon. Or will a factual discussion take away from your personal crusade?
| 529 |
Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:50:23pm |
re: #518 windsagio
+ for the good burn :D
THANK you…i didn’t want that one to go to waste…one person noticing is enough!
| 530 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:50:24pm |
re: #511 Aceofwhat?
hey. you. with the questionable taste in music.
what in the name of Zeus does any of that mewling have to do with whether these folks should be issued a building permit?
Ain’t no use to sit and wonder why, babe,
Iffen’ you don’t know by now.
| 531 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:50:42pm |
re: #512 HoosierHoops
I read that book…Which would be really surprising to some here
Why? I think I tried to read it back in college and never finished it.
| 532 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:50:47pm |
re: #529 Aceofwhat?
One thing I’ll always acknowledge is a killer diss, even if its against someone I like :)
| 533 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:51:25pm |
| 534 |
Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:51:30pm |
re: #527 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Heard that Eli had his head split wide open a bit ago.
He did…….. foreheads bleed big time but the damage is minimal I suspect.
Poor Sheli
| 535 |
mich-again Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:51:45pm |
re: #527 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Heard that Eli had his head split wide open a bit ago.
Ouch.. Not the curse though, Drew Brees is on the cover..
| 536 |
Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:51:50pm |
re: #526 windsagio
Yer really taken with that term, aren’t ya?
It’s a hell of a word!
I’ll stop in a little bit.
| 537 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:51:52pm |
re: #528 LudwigVanQuixote
Only if you promise your facts have a better basis in reality than what we’ve seen already tonight.
| 538 |
Stanley Sea Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:52:01pm |
re: #503 Spare O’Lake
He’s the best they got?
OK, Spare. Now you are demanding another Imam?
Just say it man, release it. It’s killing you to hold it in.
| 539 |
3kids3dogs Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:52:22pm |
re: #501 Stanley Sea
It isn’t “insensitive” unless you paint an entire religion by the actions of terrorists.
That sentiment isn’t in the majority here at LGF. And regarding the 2/3’s. They don’t live in Manhattan #1, and #2, they have been fed the fear.
That sentiment might not be the majority here but I have seen it expressed and I was curious as to what they found insensitive. You obviously don’t feel that way but I was hoping for someone that did to explain it to me.
| 540 |
goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:52:27pm |
re: #482 Spare O’Lake
It sure misled me. Link please.
Here you go (WND google cache, click on the streaming audio file player). Listen to the whole thing, but the section you’re interested in starts at 7min 30 seconds through to the end.
| 541 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:52:28pm |
| 543 |
Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:52:54pm |
re: #497 eastsider
Steve Martin never read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, apparently.
Embarrassing fanboy admission: I own both motorcycles featured in that book, though I don’t think I’d go crosscountry on a Honda 305 with my kid on the back. BMW R, maybe.
| 544 |
Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:52:59pm |
| 545 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:53:20pm |
re: #544 wozzablog
It isn’t hate it’s *concern*.
Srsly.
No, really.
Can it be both? Then we all win :)
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:53:29pm |
Evening all. Sorry I’m in late, I had to replace my sat receiver (the old one died).
| 548 |
Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:53:32pm |
re: #525 McSpiff
Conclusions…jumped…if I put a mat in there…Racer old boy, we’re gonna be rich, rich I say!
“I’m a people person. I deal with the customers so the engineers don’t have to…What the hell is wrong with you people!”
| 549 |
Stanley Sea Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:53:47pm |
re: #513 McSpiff
Alright, so Rauf maybe/kina/supports Hamas, and you think he’s the most moderate Imam in the US, at least according to the state department. You really don’t think much of muslims do you?
No he doesn’t.
Sorry!!
| 550 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:54:11pm |
re: #546 cliffster
Somebody got all up in WUB’s grill last thread, and got accused of having a ‘rageboner’.
Racer was greatly charmed, as were we all, by the term :D
| 551 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:54:21pm |
re: #526 windsagio
Yer really taken with that term, aren’t ya?
It’s a hell of a word!
Norman: You like that word, don’t you? Bullshit.
Billy Ray: Yeah
Norman: It’s a good word…
-On Golden Pond
| 552 |
Food Lion Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:54:21pm |
re: #507 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
May I ask for a Nic explanation? Piggly Wiggly would’ve been funnier.
I’m a manager at a Food Lion. :)
Maybe it’s a lack of creativity. I thought it would be kind of funny in a stupid way to use it as a nic.
| 553 |
Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:54:46pm |
re: #519 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Tried reading that. I, obviously wasn’t nearly cool enough to “get it”.
You’ve probably never suffered from wanderlust. Zen, On the Road, V. All worn and stuffed into the saddle bag.
| 554 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:55:02pm |
re: #513 McSpiff
Alright, so Rauf maybe/kina/supports Hamas, and you think he’s the most moderate Imam in the US, at least according to the state department. You really don’t think much of muslims do you?
Wrong, but I really don’t think much of their Imams’ tendency of not standing up, forcefully and unequivocally, to the Muslim extremists in their midst who have perverted their religion.
| 555 |
Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:55:08pm |
re: #530 Spare O’Lake
Ain’t no use to sit and wonder why, babe,
Iffen’ you don’t know by now.
On occasion, I ask questions to which i already know the answer.
| 556 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:55:14pm |
re: #534 Mr Pancakes
Sheli? Oh, c’mon. Pulled off the greatest (IMO) play in Superbowl History.
| 557 |
Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:55:24pm |
re: #550 windsagio
Somebody got all up in WUB’s grill last thread, and got accused of having a ‘rageboner’.
Racer was greatly charmed, as were we all, by the term :D
Whoa!
Hey!
Wait a min…
Er,
Say, what about those Cowboys this year huh?
| 560 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:55:51pm |
| 561 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:55:52pm |
re: #552 Food Lion
I’m a manager at a Food Lion. :)
Maybe it’s a lack of creativity. I thought it would be kind of funny in a stupid way to use it as a nic.
Which of the chains owns Food Lion?
| 562 |
Stanley Sea Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:56:34pm |
re: #539 3kids3dogs
That sentiment might not be the majority here but I have seen it expressed and I was curious as to what they found insensitive. You obviously don’t feel that way but I was hoping for someone that did to explain it to me.
Good luck!!
563 |
b_sharp Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:56:37pm |
re: #522 Racer X
Rageboners
Bigots everywhere
Tin foil hats
Conspiracy theories
Conclusions were jumped
Rageboners
Oh, just the regular stuff then. I thought something unusual had happened.
Double rageboners though, that’s a start.
| 564 |
jayzee Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:56:39pm |
re: #496 oriana fan
And how many other churches, religious organizations have said offensive, almost evil things? It happens on a daily basis. Everywhere. What justification is there for singling this man out? This mosque out? There isn’t any. If all you say turns out to be true about him so what? As long as he broke no laws, so what? So he is as bad as those evil bastards at the Nutrei Karta.
| 566 |
Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:56:52pm |
re: #556 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Sheli? Oh, c’mon. Pulled off the greatest (IMO) play in Superbowl History.
Ok….. the only Superbowl I refused to watch……… I’m a Charger fan…… he will forever be known as Sheli.
| 567 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:56:55pm |
re: #554 Spare O’Lake
Wrong, but I really don’t think much of their Imams’ tendency of not standing up, forcefully and unequivocally, to the Muslim extremists in their midst who have perverted their religion.
Do you think every/most/some/no mosques in America have a problem with extremists?
| 568 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:57:07pm |
re: #554 Spare O’Lake
Wrong, but I really don’t think much of their Imams’ tendency of not standing up, forcefully and unequivocally, to the Muslim extremists in their midst who have perverted their religion.
You are flat wrong. He HAS stood up against extremist violence, repeatedly, in print and in person. He is unequivocally opposed to violent jihad, and has made that extremely clear.
Did you even read the statement at the top of this thread?
| 569 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:57:08pm |
re: #561 Dark_Falcon
Which of the chains owns Food Lion?
They’re the primary chain in the US, owned by a company named ‘delihaze’ from Belgium
| 570 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:57:13pm |
re: #553 Jeff In Ohio
You’ve probably never suffered from wanderlust. Zen, On the Road, V. All worn and stuffed into the saddle bag.
I’ve traveled pretty extensively. Wanderlust just never occurred to me.
| 571 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:57:13pm |
re: #524 wozzablog
I was not addressing you. You are on time out with me for not addressing this yesterday.
But do kindly checkout this - it is a point you are yet to address. Why was he good enough for GWB? - but, in your mind, not for the NYC zoning board…?…
re: #490 McSpiff
Fuck Bush. How’s that?
| 572 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:57:35pm |
| 573 |
Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:57:37pm |
re: #563 b_sharp
Oh, just the regular stuff then. I thought something unusual had happened.
Double rageboners though, that’s a start.
I just want to clarify: no swords were crossed on this thread.
| 574 |
HoosierHoops Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:57:42pm |
re: #531 SanFranciscoZionist
Why? I think I tried to read it back in college and never finished it.
I read it college…My dear friend…I have been considered completely stupid here…I have read a few books and try to be humble….I never try to play the smarter game with anyone here.. I have been blessed with a few storylines and try not to be above those who really know shit from College.. I lay low…
But what I know..I know…*wink*
| 575 |
Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:57:58pm |
re: #527 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Heard that Eli had his head split wide open a bit ago.
looked like an inch-long gash in the forehead…no big deal. maybe he’ll have a scar and almost look like a football player/
| 576 |
lawhawk Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:58:10pm |
re: #527 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Speaking of sports, injuries, etc., it looks like the Mets will need a new closer. Their old one is busted in more ways than one. K Rod may be done for the season after tearing a ligament in his hand after beating on his girlfriend’s father in a clubhouse altercation.
| 577 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:58:31pm |
re: #554 Spare O’Lake
Wrong, but I really don’t think much of their Imams’ tendency of not standing up, forcefully and unequivocally, to the Muslim extremists in their midst who have perverted their religion.
Nor do I. Imam Rauf isn’t a Jihadi, but he talks out of both sides of his mouth and that automatically creates suspicion.
| 578 |
lawhawk Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:58:39pm |
re: #560 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I’m a Wegmans fan, but failing that? Fairway.
| 579 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:58:44pm |
re: #556 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Sheli? Oh, c’mon. Pulled off the greatest (IMO) play in Superbowl History.
Mr. Pancakes knows what I’m talking about!
| 580 |
darthstar Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:58:49pm |
The love of my life is home…I’ll be back to chat later. Play nice, everyone.
| 581 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:58:59pm |
re: #571 Spare O’Lake
Fuck Bush. How’s that?
Well, I wouldn’t mind a bit of expansion of the point…
What do you think were the strengths and weaknesses of the Bush WoT?
| 582 |
Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:59:21pm |
re: #569 windsagio
They’re the primary chain in the US, owned by a company named ‘delihaze’ from Belgium
Delhaize. We shopped there all the time.
| 583 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:59:34pm |
re: #581 McSpiff
Yer taking a risk if you’re asking him to get out of the “HURR ISLAM BAD!” territory >>
| 584 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:59:34pm |
re: #564 jayzee
And how many other churches, religious organizations have said offensive, almost evil things? It happens on a daily basis. Everywhere. What justification is there for singling this man out? This mosque out? There isn’t any. If all you say turns out to be true about him so what? As long as he broke no laws, so what? So he is as bad as those evil bastards at the Nutrei Karta.
Who embarass the hell out of me everywhere they go, but I still think they get to build shuls.
| 586 |
Stanley Sea Mon, Aug 16, 2010 6:59:50pm |
| 587 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:00:07pm |
re: #580 darthstar
The love of my life is home…I’ll be back to chat later. Play nice, everyone.
She told me that you think that.
| 588 |
Food Lion Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:00:11pm |
| 589 |
jayzee Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:00:25pm |
re: #578 lawhawk
I’m a Wegmans fan, but failing that? Fairway.
Wegman’s is no joke. (And union free I beleive).
| 590 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:01:01pm |
re: #586 Stanley Sea
Under the bus in the name of hate.
I was accused by some random stalker a couple nights ago of being a ‘Bushite’. I told him that no one had ever called me that before.
| 591 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:01:13pm |
Wozza, you’ve gotta just go! Yer ognna get sucked in if you can use your dinger ;)
| 592 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:01:21pm |
re: #555 Aceofwhat?
On occasion, I ask questions to which i already know the answer.
That is the cardinal rule of cross-examination…but hardly conducive to a friendly discussion. ;D
| 593 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:01:24pm |
re: #583 windsagio
Yer taking a risk if you’re asking him to get out of the “HURR ISLAM BAD!” territory >>
Not asking him to do anything. Just want to see the edges of the argument flushed out a little.
| 595 |
jayzee Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:01:36pm |
re: #584 SanFranciscoZionist
Who embarass the hell out of me everywhere they go, but I still think they get to build shuls.
I fucking hate them.
| 596 |
Food Lion Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:01:42pm |
Delhaize is correct. That’s some good, obscure knowledge!
| 597 |
3kids3dogs Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:01:48pm |
| 598 |
Stanley Sea Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:01:48pm |
re: #590 SanFranciscoZionist
I was accused by some random stalker a couple nights ago of being a ‘Bushite’. I told him that no one had ever called me that before.
You know it’s gone off the rails when you are accused of that.
Off. the. rails.
600 |
cliffster Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:02:06pm |
okre: #590 SanFranciscoZionist
I was accused by some random stalker a couple nights ago of being a ‘Bushite’. I told him that no one had ever called me that before.
when a girl tells me she loves bush, that automatically makes her attractive in my eyes.
| 602 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:02:56pm |
re: #537 McSpiff
It is hard to make a touche on someone who has already backed down on something publicly twice. It is even more ironic when demanding to talk facts but then again, that would not be discussing facts.
So I posit as a fact that the UN mandate of the blue hats was to disarm the Hezzies. I posit that they have not even attempted to perform that mission.
I posit that they stood around saluting a procession of Hezzie terrorists corpses.
I posit that they routinely allow Hezzies to use them for cover and operate within site of their installations.
I posit as a fact that the blue hats utterly failed to do anything in Rwanda.
I posit that they are at best a useless force that is symbolic only and at worst get in the way.
I could go on, but your turn.
| 603 |
Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:03:20pm |
re: #592 Spare O’Lake
That is the cardinal rule of cross-examination…but hardly conducive to a friendly discussion. ;D
hahaaa…i like it when you quote the rules on friendly discussions;)
| 604 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:04:38pm |
re: #601 windsagio
You did the joke better than me :(
Ok… I was eating supper… just got back… how many times did I miss using the name “Reid.” Gotta catch up.
| 605 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:04:56pm |
I gotta do some stuff now peace out!
| 607 |
b_sharp Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:05:01pm |
re: #573 Racer X
I just want to clarify: no swords were crossed on this thread.
It’s almost impossible to have a pissing match with boners.
| 609 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:05:05pm |
re: #602 LudwigVanQuixote
It is hard to make a touche on someone who has already backed down on something publicly twice. It is even more ironic when demanding to talk facts but then again, that would not be discussing facts.
So I posit as a fact that the UN mandate of the blue hats was to disarm the Hezzies. I posit that they have not even attempted to perform that mission.
I posit that they stood around saluting a procession of Hezzie terrorists corpses.
I posit that they routinely allow Hezzies to use them for cover and operate within site of their installations.
I posit as a fact that the blue hats utterly failed to do anything in Rwanda.
I posit that they are at best a useless force that is symbolic only and at worst get in the way.
I could go on, but your turn.
McSpiff, do you here the dinner bell? ‘Cause you just got served!
| 610 |
Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:05:25pm |
re: #600 cliffster
ok
when a girl tells me she loves bush, that automatically makes her attractive in my eyes.
I got bad news for ya bro:
| 611 |
cliffster Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:05:38pm |
re: #601 windsagio
You did the joke better than me :(
“Girl becomes attractive” you would have been called out on that shit
| 612 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:05:39pm |
re: #609 Dark_Falcon
McSpiff, do you here the dinner bell? ‘Cause you just got served!
Dude, keep your inciteful tribalism out of it :p
| 613 |
b_sharp Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:06:14pm |
re: #574 HoosierHoops
I read it college…My dear friend…I have been considered completely stupid here…I have read a few books and try to be humble…I never try to play the smarter game with anyone here.. I have been blessed with a few storylines and try not to be above those who really know shit from College.. I lay low…
But what I know..I know…*wink*
Huh?
That went over my head.
| 614 |
Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:06:38pm |
re: #578 lawhawk
I’m a Wegmans fan, but failing that? Fairway.
Wegmans..imagine my delight after stocking up on supplies in Rochester, NY. and hauling ass to New Orleans only to pull up to a Schwegmann’s. I love America.
| 615 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:07:06pm |
| 616 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:07:59pm |
re: #568 Charles
You are flat wrong. He HAS stood up against extremist violence, repeatedly, in print and in person. He is unequivocally opposed to violent jihad, and has made that extremely clear.
Did you even read the statement at the top of this thread?
Yes I did read it, at least 20 times, to see if there was something I was missing. Charles, based on the direct quotes attributed to him in the Post article, I wouldn’t trust him farther than I could throw him. The guy is a dodger.
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cliffster Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:08:17pm |
So I made a facebook post in spanish today. I had quite a few comments, mostly in spanish. Several from buddies south of the border, in fact. Then my uncle-in-law comes in a few hours later and posts, “I didn’t press 2!” dude, are you nuts?
| 618 |
Solomon2 Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:09:25pm |
I see you deleted my comment, Charles. Did something upset you?
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cliffster Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:09:35pm |
re: #615 Walter L. Newton
10 for x = 1 to 163
20 print “Reid”
30 next x
40 endOk :)
cat nerd.txt > walter.txt
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:09:42pm |
re: #612 windsagio
So, now you’re downdinging me for trying to be witty. Jeeze, lighten up.
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jayzee Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:09:47pm |
re: #610 Racer X
Reminds me of a very disappointing incident from my youth. :(
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:10:04pm |
re: #598 Stanley Sea
You know it’s gone off the rails when you are accused of that.
Off. the. rails.
Well, the funny thing was that this guy was accusing me of that because I was too liberal for his taste.
| 624 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:10:29pm |
re: #621 Dark_Falcon
So, now you’re downdinging me for trying to be witty. Jeeze, lighten up.
Operative word… “trying.”
| 625 |
HoosierHoops Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:10:36pm |
re: #613 b_sharp
I read the art of motorcycle zen in College..It’s that simple..Don’t let it go over your head..It was just a book bro..K?
*wink*
| 626 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:10:45pm |
re: #618 Solomon2
What did you say? (in abbreviated form)
| 627 |
Political Atheist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:11:19pm |
re: #612 windsagio
Dude, keep your inciteful tribalism out of it :p
More insightful than inciteful (is that a word?) or tribal.
| 628 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:11:55pm |
re: #624 Walter L. Newton
Operative word… “trying.”
True. I don’t have your skill in repartee. I try, but I’m too literal to do as well as you.
| 629 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:12:14pm |
re: #621 Dark_Falcon
Its more trying to ingratiate yourself with the group by sucking up to the person you perceive as the ‘insider’ that I object to.
| 630 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:12:31pm |
re: #627 Rightwingconspirator
Dude, I make up words all the time!
| 631 |
Stanley Sea Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:12:51pm |
re: #621 Dark_Falcon
So, now you’re downdinging me for trying to be witty. Jeeze, lighten up.
Hard to tell sometimes D_F - to be honest.
| 632 |
jayzee Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:13:22pm |
| 633 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:13:41pm |
re: #488 Food Lion
I didn’t accuse the developers of Cordoba House of anything. I came out in support of Cordoba and their Constitutional Rights in the other thread. I said something about another commenter using the term “white man” in a derogatory manner and I get opinions attributed to me about Cordoba that are completely unrelated. And I am not a sock puppet.
Boo fucking hoo, tool
| 634 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:13:44pm |
re: #629 windsagio
Its more trying to ingratiate yourself with the group by sucking up to the person you perceive as the ‘insider’ that I object to.
No… don’t take the opening… KISS… keep it simple stupid…
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:14:16pm |
re: #616 Spare O’Lake
Yes I did read it, at least 20 times, to see if there was something I was missing. Charles, based on the direct quotes attributed to him in the Post article, I wouldn’t trust him farther than I could throw him. The guy is a dodger.
Well, he is a muslim!
| 636 |
Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:14:44pm |
re: #618 Solomon2
I see you deleted my comment, Charles. Did something upset you?
let me guess. oh, my stars, how this place has changed. heavens to mergatroid, it’s just not like it used to be back in Nam, i mean 2004.
how am i doing/
| 638 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:14:56pm |
re: #609 Dark_Falcon
McSpiff, do you here the dinner bell? ‘Cause you just got served!
Here’s the thing D_F, I really don’t give two shits about the Peacekeepers. I mean I do, I know and love some dearly, but for the purposes of this blog I don’t really care. LVQ, you and anyone else are free to think that peacekeepers are universally evil. Won’t change my life, the lives of my family and friends, or the policy of the nations we live in.
Funny part is, I never brought up the UN or peacekeepers tonight. LVQ did. He knows why I think he’s an asshole, and his reaction to that is trying to reignite a debate that is long since past. I don’t know if he’s trying to win back my affection or what.
Thing is, I could admit that he (and you) are right, and he’d still be an asshole in my opinion and you wouldn’t be. For things like…bringing up long since dead debates! And generally inflammatory behavior like we saw tonight. Really has nothing to do with the UN, but more that I now generally consider him a rude person. Yes, the topic at hand was the UN, but it was much more his lack of empathy or social skills that truly turned me off. Its too bad he’s incapable of seeing that its own poor behavior that drives people away, not necessarily his opinions. I think he’d get a much more positive response on some topics if he did.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:15:14pm |
re: #636 Aceofwhat?
let me guess. oh, my stars, how this place has changed. heavens to mergatroid, it’s just not like it used to be back in Nam, i mean 2004.
how am i doing/
Dude, you’re on a roll tonight!
“I seen things man, things I can’t unsee!”
| 640 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:15:44pm |
re: #586 Stanley Sea
Under the bus in the name of hate.
No Stunley, I am on record as calling out Bush as an oil whore and other nasty stuff…back in the days when he was kissing and holding hands with the Saudis.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:15:47pm |
re: #629 windsagio
Its more trying to ingratiate yourself with the group by sucking up to the person you perceive as the ‘insider’ that I object to.
Or it was that he was supporting a post of mine with a number of facts that do not suit some of your narratives. Windy, we agree on most things, but I really do not like many of your takes on Israel.
I will be happy to discuss facts with you on that anytime.
| 642 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:16:02pm |
re: #554 Spare O’Lake
Wrong, but I really don’t think much of their Imams’ tendency of not standing up, forcefully and unequivocally, to the Muslim extremists in their midst who have perverted their religion.
And this is exactly what I’m talking about.
When muslims stand up?
You haters deny they do.
When we provide evidence?
You psuh back.
When we provide more evidence? You dig in.
| 643 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:16:53pm |
re: #638 McSpiff
NO actually, it was that debate that you started tussling with me. But look dude, I would rather not make it personal with you.
| 644 |
Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:17:04pm |
G’night Knuckleheads…
10:15PM, EST… Birthday… Going to bed.
= loser
| 645 |
b_sharp Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:17:15pm |
re: #625 HoosierHoops
I read the art of motorcycle zen in College..It’s that simple..Don’t let it go over your head..It was just a book bro..K?
*wink*
I don’t understand. Could you spell it out for me? Slowly though, I don’t read very fast.
| 646 |
goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:17:17pm |
re: #616 Spare O’Lake
Yes I did read it, at least 20 times, to see if there was something I was missing. Charles, based on the direct quotes attributed to him in the Post article, I wouldn’t trust him farther than I could throw him. The guy is a dodger.
Did you listen to it yet? I gave you the link and pertinent time in my #540.
| 647 |
Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:17:39pm |
re: #644 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
G’night Knuckleheads…
10:15PM, EST… Birthday… Going to bed.
= loser
don’t call my dude FBV a loser…
| 648 |
jayzee Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:17:46pm |
re: #644 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Happy Birthday! Hope it is a wonderful year for you.
| 649 |
cliffster Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:18:22pm |
re: #644 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
G’night Knuckleheads…
10:15PM, EST… Birthday… Going to bed.
= loser
wow, happy 29th!
| 650 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:18:27pm |
re: #641 LudwigVanQuixote
I’d really rather not without reason >> I feel like hte rest of the blog doens’t enjoy it very much :P
As to the other thing, I stand by it. Its an annoying habit that DF has, and I’m hoping I can change it by drawing attention to it.
| 651 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:18:34pm |
I really need to get out of here. I can’t stay sucked in tonight.
| 652 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:18:44pm |
re: #643 LudwigVanQuixote
I’m the one that brought up the UN, not either of yoU!
| 653 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:19:01pm |
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webevintage Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:19:11pm |
In a way Reid’s stance is worse because you expect Newt to be a bigoted douchebag who will say anything to stay relevant and keep his little bit of power within the GOP.
Reid surprised me by taking the side of a bigoted movement.
I’m glad I don’t have to choose between him and Angle.
| 655 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:19:33pm |
re: #492 Aceofwhat?
Happy Birthday, dude. What kind of cake?
No cake for FBV.
It will be Birthday Pie
| 657 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:19:59pm |
re: #653 LudwigVanQuixote
You know how it is, the disagreement is on such a basic level that I don’t htink there’s actual room for reaching agreement. Its down to the level that our basic worldviews are incompatible on the subject, and everything extends out from there.
| 658 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:20:22pm |
re: #655 reine.de.tout
No cake for FBV.
It will be Birthday Pie
OOPs, I’m 200 behind.
SFZ is having a pernicious influence …
| 659 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:21:06pm |
re: #643 LudwigVanQuixote
NO actually, it was that debate that you started tussling with me. But look dude, I would rather not make it personal with you.
I have no interest in debating the UN, or any other topic with you. You don’t seem to understand when you’ve already made something personal. I don’t like you. You can post whatever facts you feel will change my mind, but your style will generally continue to rub me the wrong way. I see no reason to drag the entire board into this however.
| 661 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:21:33pm |
I must say, the “pushback” meme is rather tiresome.
As though, when I disagree with an argument, I wasn’t supposed to push back.
Everyone here needs to grow up a few notches. Here, stand by the doorpost so I can measure you now and then again later.
| 662 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:21:52pm |
re: #654 webevintage
In a way Reid’s stance is worse because you expect Newt to be a bigoted douchebag who will say anything to stay relevant and keep his little bit of power within the GOP.
Reid surprised me by taking the side of a bigoted movement.
I’m glad I don’t have to choose between him and Angle.
It sucks! When you get right down to it, I bet I have more in common with a moderate Republican from Oregon (Allen Alley comes to mind, too bad he keeps losing to dumb basketball players in primaries :( than I do with Reid.
| 663 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:21:58pm |
re: #638 McSpiff
I’m going to agree you’ve got a point, but stop there. Ludwig isn’t here right now, so I’m not going to go on about him.
| 664 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:22:02pm |
re: #657 windsagio
You know how it is, the disagreement is on such a basic level that I don’t htink there’s actual room for reaching agreement. Its down to the level that our basic worldviews are incompatible on the subject, and everything extends out from there.
yep.
| 665 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:22:16pm |
re: #661 Cato the Elder
Pushback is substantially more than just disagreeing tho >>
| 666 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:22:43pm |
re: #664 WindUpBird
yep.
Not that the discussion itself can’t be enjoyable, when limited to proper, dedicated threads :D
| 667 |
Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:23:03pm |
re: #661 Cato the Elder
I must say, the “pushback” meme is rather tiresome.
As though, when I disagree with an argument, I wasn’t supposed to push back.
Everyone here needs to grow up a few notches. Here, stand by the doorpost so I can measure you now and then again later.
Great. Now we’re comparing our Rageboners.
| 668 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:23:08pm |
re: #663 Dark_Falcon
I’m going to agree you’ve got a point, but stop there. Ludwig isn’t here right now, so I’m not going to go on about him.
He seems to be stuck in the “one…last…post” mode we all fall victim to from time to time. But I accept the sentiment and am happy to go back to tonight’s episode of Muslims In America.
| 669 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:23:14pm |
re: #665 windsagio
Pushback is substantially more than just disagreeing tho >>
In your mind, maybe. That’s because in your mind you’re always on the side of the angels.
| 670 |
Lidane Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:23:33pm |
re: #654 webevintage
Newt = a bigoted douchebag who will say anything to stay relevant and keep his little bit of power within the GOP.
Harry Reid = a pandering douchebag who will say anything to stay relevant and keep his little bit of power within the Dems, even if that means siding with bigots over Park51.
I’m not surprised he opened his pie hole. He’s running against a raving lunatic and wants to keep his job, so he’ll shamelessly pander in order to do it.
| 671 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:23:46pm |
re: #661 Cato the Elder
I must say, the “pushback” meme is rather tiresome.
As though, when I disagree with an argument, I wasn’t supposed to push back.
Everyone here needs to grow up a few notches. Here, stand by the doorpost so I can measure you now and then again later.
Yes.
Thank you.
| 672 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:23:59pm |
OT: When you can’t tell if feminism succeeded beyond its supporters’ wildest dreams, or failed miserably:
I’m putting my classroom together with some help from a young lady who was in my high school freshman class a couple of years ago. She tells me that she told her best friend, a boy who also went through my new school, with her, to come and help out tomorrow.
In passing, I learn that he broke up with his girlfriend, to whom he had been glued for the past two years. “And he was so upset,” Mary Kate continues, “and he really needed someone to talk to, and I was there for him. But I was kinda mad, like he gets a girlfriend and we never got to hang out until they broke up? Like, it’s supposed to be bros before hos, sorry about my language, Mrs. SFZ.”
| 673 |
b_sharp Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:24:02pm |
re: #640 Spare O’Lake
No Stunley, I am on record as calling out Bush as an oil whore and other nasty stuff…back in the days when he was kissing and holding hands with the Saudis.
Stunley?
You really are an jerk. Take the shit out of your mouth and stick it back up your ass where it belongs.
| 674 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:24:17pm |
re: #658 reine.de.tout
OT - You asked me to let you know, and I actually feel bad about doing this, but you wanted to know, so, there is something special up on Etsy, you were looking for it…
| 675 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:24:26pm |
re: #669 Cato the Elder
In your mind, maybe. That’s because in your mind you’re always on the side of the angels.
In all fairness, I don’t think anyone thinks “Gee, I’m horribly wrong” before hitting post.
| 676 |
oriana fan Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:24:45pm |
re: #564 jayzee
He is not in the top ten list of offenders…you’re right. He just happens to be in the limelight, or better yet, chosen to insert himself in the limelight.
My frustration mounts from the collective amnesia we have towards what is happening in the world and how we got here.
Since 1948 the world has shrugged at Arab and now Muslim fueled terrorism. No one can remember that there was a Palestinian state under the original partition plan. No one can remember the chorus of No from the Arab states after 1967 when Israel offered a full exchange for full normalization and peace. It goes on and on and the Arab world gets a free pass from the so called free world.
| 677 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:25:02pm |
re: #670 Lidane
Newt = a bigoted douchebag who will say anything to stay relevant and keep his little bit of power within the GOP.
Harry Reid = a pandering douchebag who will say anything to stay relevant and keep his little bit of power within the Dems, even if that means siding with bigots over Park51.
I’m not surprised he opened his pie hole. He’s running against a raving lunatic and wants to keep his job, so he’ll shamelessly pander in order to do it.
How do you know, in your heart, that Newt isn’t the pander and Harry isn’t the bigot?
You don’t. But it just won’t do to call a Democrat a bigot, now, will it?
| 678 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:25:15pm |
re: #661 Cato the Elder
I must say, the “pushback” meme is rather tiresome.
As though, when I disagree with an argument, I wasn’t supposed to push back.
Everyone here needs to grow up a few notches. Here, stand by the doorpost so I can measure you now and then again later.
Disagreement is one thing, I try to refer to pushback as a meme itself, that it’s an actual strategy or an automatic partisan kneejerk thing as opposed to legitimate disagreement.
Perfect example: that Newt thread that suddenly became a bunch of the most partisan GOP posters raking all the old Lewinski/ Bill Clinton stuff back up. Perfect example of pushback. the legitimate news is Newt’s views, his creepy dominionism, connections to TP, AFA, FotF, the real shit happening now. that’s what the real substance is. The substance wasn’t what Bill Clinton did almost 15 years ago, it was what Newt did. That’s pushback to me.
| 679 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:25:20pm |
re: #674 Walter L. Newton
OT - You asked me to let you know, and I actually feel bad about doing this, but you wanted to know, so, there is something special up on Etsy, you were looking for it…
Merci!
| 680 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:25:35pm |
re: #669 Cato the Elder
Now, now :p
‘pushback’ generally (and I’m not sure I’m gonna state this 100% right, but I”m gonna try) refers to that exaggerated outrage or counter accusations that come when someone feels on the defensive about something. Its not really ‘pushback’ without the amped up emotionality or the counter-accusation.
| 681 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:25:36pm |
| 682 |
cliffster Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:25:49pm |
re: #670 Lidane
I’m hearing a lot of what can only be perceived of tacit blaming of Sharron Angle for Reid’s comments. Why is that?
| 683 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:26:13pm |
re: #675 McSpiff
In all fairness, I don’t think anyone thinks “Gee, I’m horribly wrong” before hitting post.
Pff, everyone knows I’m perfect anyways. Most people just aren’t willing to admit their inferiority.
WHICH I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND!
| 684 |
Stanley Sea Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:26:25pm |
re: #640 Spare O’Lake
No Stunley, I am on record as calling out Bush as an oil whore and other nasty stuff…back in the days when he was kissing and holding hands with the Saudis.
I love you when you use our pet names.
| 685 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:26:53pm |
re: #680 windsagio
Now, now :p
‘pushback’ generally (and I’m not sure I’m gonna state this 100% right, but I”m gonna try) refers to that exaggerated outrage or counter accusations that come when someone feels on the defensive about something. Its not really ‘pushback’ without the amped up emotionality or the counter-accusation.
yes. and the calculated distraction to get the subject off Charles’ post and onto to partisan “other side”.
Theres a lot of human behavior to observe in blog comments!
| 686 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:27:00pm |
On Topic: A co-worker of mine point this Canadian newspaper article out to me. I’m not agreeing with it, just presenting it also with a request for info about the Ottawa Citizen:
Mischief in Manhattan
We Muslims know the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation
By Raheel Raza and Tarek Fatah, Citizen Special August 9, 2010
Last week, a journalist who writes for the North Country Times, a small newspaper in Southern California, sent us an e-mail titled “Help.” He couldn’t understand why an Islamic Centre in an area where Adam Gadahn, Osama bin Laden’s American spokesman came from, and that was home to three of the 911 terrorists, was looking to expand.
The man has a very valid point, which leads to the ongoing debate about building a Mosque at Ground Zero in New York. When we try to understand the reasoning behind building a mosque at the epicentre of the worst-ever attack on the U.S., we wonder why its proponents don’t build a monument to those who died in the attack?
New York currently boasts at least 30 mosques so it’s not as if there is pressing need to find space for worshippers. The fact we Muslims know the idea behind the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocation to thumb our noses at the infidel. The proposal has been made in bad faith and in Islamic parlance, such an act is referred to as “Fitna,” meaning “mischief-making” that is clearly forbidden in the Koran.
The Koran commands Muslims to, “Be considerate when you debate with the People of the Book” — i.e., Jews and Christians. Building an exclusive place of worship for Muslims at the place where Muslims killed thousands of New Yorkers is not being considerate or sensitive, it is undoubtedly an act of “fitna”
SNIP
| 687 |
Lidane Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:27:13pm |
re: #677 Cato the Elder
I don’t have any use for either of them, quite frankly. Thank god I only have to deal with the crazy bastards here in Texas, and not Reid or Newt.
And there have been plenty of Democrats that are bigots. I’ve called them out for it, too. I just think in this case, Reid’s pandering to keep his job overrides whatever bigoted idiocy he has.
| 688 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:27:13pm |
re: #675 McSpiff
In all fairness, I don’t think anyone thinks “Gee, I’m horribly wrong” before hitting post.
I do, sometimes. Or rather, a microsecond after.
| 689 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:27:58pm |
| 690 |
Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:28:04pm |
re: #686 Dark_Falcon
On Topic: A co-worker of mine point this Canadian newspaper article out to me. I’m not agreeing with it, just presenting it also with a request for info about the Ottawa Citizen:
Mischief in Manhattan
We Muslims know the Ground Zero mosque is meant to be a deliberate provocationBy Raheel Raza and Tarek Fatah, Citizen Special August 9, 2010
SNIP
Heh. Someone else posted that. In fact, it might have been Solomon, if my memory serves.
| 691 |
Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:28:05pm |
re: #675 McSpiff
In all fairness, I don’t think anyone thinks “Gee, I’m horribly wrong” before hitting post.
I do it all the time.
| 692 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:28:17pm |
re: #682 cliffster
I’m hearing a lot of what can only be perceived of tacit blaming of Sharron Angle for Reid’s comments. Why is that?
Because what else do you expect Reid to do, he’s got a nut case attracting so many flies that he’s very close to losing his job, a job that he has had for many, many years. He’s being forced to make outrageous statements and baited into compromising his normally sane positions.
How would you feel if you were about to loose your job to a mental case. Have some pity please.
| 693 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:28:37pm |
re: #685 WindUpBird
yes. and the calculated distraction to get the subject off Charles’ post and onto to partisan “other side”.
Theres a lot of human behavior to observe in blog comments!
I notice that people complain when they get consistently called out on logical fallacies and dirty debating tricks. Same thing happened with “Tu Quoque”, for instance…
| 694 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:28:43pm |
re: #674 Walter L. Newton
OT - You asked me to let you know, and I actually feel bad about doing this, but you wanted to know, so, there is something special up on Etsy, you were looking for it…
OK.
Can you do the cord thing with that one (like you did with the last one?) Please?
| 695 |
Lidane Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:28:56pm |
re: #682 cliffster
Because that’s what you want to believe.
I think Reid’s an asshole who should have been bounced out on his old ass years ago. I don’t have a use for him. However, pointing out that he’s blatantly pandering in order to keep his job isn’t the same as blaming Angle for Reid being an ass.
| 696 |
Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:28:56pm |
re: #688 Cato the Elder
I do, sometimes. Or rather, a microsecond after.
Your poetry’s not that bad.
| 697 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:29:07pm |
re: #688 Cato the Elder
I do, sometimes. Or rather, a microsecond after.
“My Kingdom for an Edit function!”
We’ve all been there, man.
| 698 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:29:09pm |
re: #678 WindUpBird
Disagreement is one thing, I try to refer to pushback as a meme itself, that it’s an actual strategy or an automatic partisan kneejerk thing as opposed to legitimate disagreement.
Perfect example: that Newt thread that suddenly became a bunch of the most partisan GOP posters raking all the old Lewinski/ Bill Clinton stuff back up. Perfect example of pushback. the legitimate news is Newt’s views, his creepy dominionism, connections to TP, AFA, FotF, the real shit happening now. that’s what the real substance is. The substance wasn’t what Bill Clinton did almost 15 years ago, it was what Newt did. That’s pushback to me.
Fair enough.
It’s not pushback to compare Reid to Gingrich, though. Both are real-time assholes, and as for their motivations, neither you nor I nor anyone here knows anything about those.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:29:11pm |
re: #688 Cato the Elder
I do, sometimes. Or rather, a microsecond after.
I love watching the spelling mistake float gently by, gone from the loving embrace of the formative text box, now etched forever in the ether.
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Ojoe Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:29:15pm |
Our mission is one of peace, understanding, tolerance and faith.
Very tough to convince people of that anymore, but good luck.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:30:17pm |
re: #698 Cato the Elder
Its the whole point to speculate though.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:30:32pm |
re: #677 Cato the Elder
How do you know, in your heart, that Newt isn’t the pander and Harry isn’t the bigot?
You don’t. But it just won’t do to call a Democrat a bigot, now, will it?
I’ll happily call Reid a bigot. Fuck that guy in the ear. I’ve wanted him out of office for years.
Of course, I also am not a big fan of Nevada’s behavior in many ways. See: their land use planning. GREAT JOB GUYS, WELCOME TO YOUR NEW DEPRESSED EXURB REAL ESTATE HELL
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:30:39pm |
re: #682 cliffster
I’m hearing a lot of what can only be perceived of tacit blaming of Sharron Angle for Reid’s comments. Why is that?
Because people who are rooting for Reid don’t want to come out and say he took his position out of political calculation. It seems clear to me he did that; He realized that by opposing Park 51 he could prevent Angle outflanking him to the right on that issue.
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Stanley Sea Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:31:14pm |
re: #686 Dark_Falcon
Sarah Palin pointed out the same article this weekend.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:31:15pm |
re: #702 WindUpBird
Off-strip Vegas might still be the most depressing city anywhere in the US (that’s not on an Indian reservation)
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cliffster Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:31:37pm |
re: #695 Lidane
Because that’s what you want to believe.
I think Reid’s an asshole who should have been bounced out on his old ass years ago. I don’t have a use for him. However, pointing out that he’s blatantly pandering in order to keep his job isn’t the same as blaming Angle for Reid being an ass.
I’m pretty sure that Reid’s pandering pretty much stands on its own. It seems strange that people are unable to point it out without also throwing in, “running against Sharron Angle”. What does that have to do with it? A bit odd, that’s all.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:31:48pm |
re: #694 reine.de.tout
OK.
Can you do the cord thing with that one (like you did with the last one?) Please?
Yes.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:32:00pm |
re: #703 Dark_Falcon
Thank you, outflank is exactly the word I was searching for.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:32:05pm |
re: #700 Ojoe
Very tough to convince people of that anymore, but good luck.
yeah? Sorta like that whole jesus is love thing* I keep hearing from the usual suspects in Colorado Springs
*love conditional, only applies to straight people, other restrictions apply
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:32:15pm |
re: #692 Walter L. Newton
Because what else do you expect Reid to do, he’s got a nut case attracting so many flies that he’s very close to losing his job, a job that he has had for many, many years. He’s being forced to make outrageous statements and baited into compromising his normally sane positions.
How would you feel if you were about to loose your job to a mental case. Have some pity please.
So he’s in the same place as John McCain it seems.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:32:20pm |
re: #706 cliffster
He’s in a race to keep his job and she’s his opponent. How is it strange to point that out?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:32:21pm |
re: #705 windsagio
Off-strip Vegas might still be the most depressing city anywhere in the US (that’s not on an Indian reservation)
I’d sooner live in a box in Gresham.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:32:43pm |
re: #709 WindUpBird
yeah? Sorta like that whole jesus is love thing* I keep hearing from the usual suspects in Colorado Springs
*love conditional, only applies to straight white people, other restrictions apply
FixT.
Everyone knows that other skin colors are the marks of God’s Curse.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:32:50pm |
Not to defend Reid who I don’t like but his statement about the mosque moving its location was different from Newt’s who compared the leaders of it to the Nazis. Reid’s of course wrong and his actions are exactly why while I am left leaning I don’t consider myself a Democrat.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:32:58pm |
re: #676 oriana fan
He is not in the top ten list of offenders…you’re right. He just happens to be in the limelight, or better yet, chosen to insert himself in the limelight.
My frustration mounts from the collective amnesia we have towards what is happening in the world and how we got here.
Since 1948 the world has shrugged at Arab and now Muslim fueled terrorism. No one can remember that there was a Palestinian state under the original partition plan. No one can remember the chorus of No from the Arab states after 1967 when Israel offered a full exchange for full normalization and peace. It goes on and on and the Arab world gets a free pass from the so called free world.
I couldn’t agree more with many of these things you say in this post. However, the intransigence and general fuckwittedness of the Arab world for the past several decades does not change the way we do things in the US.
So I agree with you up to a point, and then I ask, what’s this got to do with either the mosque in Manhattan or the price of tea in China?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:33:01pm |
re: #705 windsagio
Off-strip Vegas might still be the most depressing city anywhere in the US (that’s not on an Indian reservation)
Actually come to think of it, I LITERALLY, no joke, would live in a van in Oregon before I’d move to vegas. Absolutely.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:33:56pm |
re: #716 WindUpBird
Actually come to think of it, I LITERALLY, no joke, would live in a van in Oregon before I’d move to vegas. Absolutely.
I feel that!
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:34:13pm |
re: #681 WindUpBird
See my definition ;-)
I did.
I still like Cato’s.
I like to read the discussions, not the accusations that someone is engaging in whatever. If someone is engaging in whatever, well, make your best factual, logical argument and see where it takes you!
I always feel like the accusations (“TU Quoque!) are what derail the discussions, and really, for me anyhow, don’t add much of value. I just skip over those. I’d rather see what someone thinks, what opinion is, what information they can bring to inform a person about what they said, than an accusation about how they said it.
Just my .02
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jayzee Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:34:32pm |
re: #676 oriana fan
And they will continue to get their free pass sadly (especially in regards to Israel).
There are real enemies out there that need to be fought (in many different ways). I’d rather see energy focused on them than demanding we act unconstitutionally fighting a bogey man.
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:34:36pm |
re: #716 WindUpBird
Actually come to think of it, I LITERALLY, no joke, would live in a van in Oregon before I’d move to vegas. Absolutely.
That’s exactly what some of us New Yorkers say about Jersey…
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cliffster Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:34:39pm |
re: #711 Lidane
He’s in a race to keep his job and she’s his opponent. How is it strange to point that out?
“This GOP politician - - is pandering to bigots. He is trying to win an election against , but he’s still a jerk for for pandering” I generally don’t hear that second sentence with the kind of people who say this sort of thing. A bit odd, that’s all.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:35:06pm |
re: #714 HappyWarrior
Not to defend Reid who I don’t like but his statement about the mosque moving its location was different from Newt’s who compared the leaders of it to the Nazis. Reid’s of course wrong and his actions are exactly why while I am left leaning I don’t consider myself a Democrat.
Oh, Newt is a hundred times worse. Reid said a bigoted thing, and he did it very cravenly. Fuck that guy. But Reid doesn’t team up with the AMERICAN FAMILY ASSOCIATION. Reid isn’t repeating from the Spencer playbook, the Geller playbook. Newt is.
Newt is the definition of bigotry and slimy tribalist shit. He’s a golem created from nasty dominionist filth.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:35:10pm |
re: #682 cliffster
I’m hearing a lot of what can only be perceived of tacit blaming of Sharron Angle for Reid’s comments. Why is that?
Because there’s a suspicion that Reid is cold-bloodedly coming out with his current crap to counter her perceived threat.
Ain’t her fault in the slightest, but there is some reason to think she might be the motivation.
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Stanley Sea Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:35:21pm |
re: #703 Dark_Falcon
Because people who are rooting for Reid don’t want to come out and say he took his position out of political calculation. It seems clear to me he did that; He realized that by opposing Park 51 he could prevent Angle outflanking him to the right on that issue.
We haven’t said that? That’s my only hope for the dude, and it’s a bullshit hope at that.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:35:29pm |
re: #704 Stanley Sea
Sarah Palin pointed out the same article this weekend.
I didn’t know that. I just saw it at work. Do you know anything about the paper that ran it?
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Lidane Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:35:31pm |
re: #721 cliffster
OK. Let’s phrase it this way, then. They’re both pandering to bigots in order to win the race. Does that work for you?
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:35:57pm |
re: #718 reine.de.tout
The problem is that it’s impossible to actually have meaningful discussions if people are engaging in that kind of thing.
It just gets lost in the maze of semantics and mutual recriminations.
It’s probably beyond hope to expect better anywyas, but the hope is always that by pointing out hte blatant fallacies, you can get to the real meat of the argument…
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Stanley Sea Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:36:02pm |
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:36:04pm |
re: #726 Lidane
OK. Let’s phrase it this way, then. They’re both pandering to bigots in order to win the race. Does that work for you?
And either way or whatever, it ain’t right.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:36:36pm |
re: #728 Stanley Sea
My Auntie lives there. Pretty happily.
Too. damn. hot.
WUB and I are blatantly Regionalist :D
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:36:51pm |
re: #718 reine.de.tout
I did.
I still like Cato’s.
I like to read the discussions, not the accusations that someone is engaging in whatever. If someone is engaging in whatever, well, make your best factual, logical argument and see where it takes you!I always feel like the accusations (“TU Quoque!) are what derail the discussions, and really, for me anyhow, don’t add much of value. I just skip over those. I’d rather see what someone thinks, what opinion is, what information they can bring to inform a person about what they said, than an accusation about how they said it.
Just my .02
I feel that Tu Quoque is an a different category than “push back”. Tu Quoque, when successful, simply changes the topic of discussion from one the poster felt was ‘inconvenient’ to something they find more palpable. I think this type of derailment should rightfully be pointed out, since it usually doesn’t involve any actual counter points.
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:37:19pm |
re: #730 windsagio
WUB and I are blatantly Regionalist :D
Can’t blame you guys for wanting to live around, you know, water…
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Lidane Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:37:31pm |
re: #729 reine.de.tout
And either way or whatever, it ain’t right.
Nope. Definitely not right. And quite frankly, I don’t care if it’s a Republican pandering to the bigots or a Democrat doing it. Anyone who feels they have to side with the anti-Muslim whackjobs protesting Park51 in order to score political points is an asshole. Period.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:37:35pm |
re: #706 cliffster
I’m pretty sure that Reid’s pandering pretty much stands on its own. It seems strange that people are unable to point it out without also throwing in, “running against Sharron Angle”. What does that have to do with it? A bit odd, that’s all.
Because I doubt he would have bothered to come out with this position, which can only be getting him grief from the White House, without that race.
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HoosierHoops Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:37:35pm |
re: #645 b_sharp
I don’t understand. Could you spell it out for me? Slowly though, I don’t read very fast.
No my friend..I don’t think so..I have spent time here as a good lizard without a major war..I enjoy learning from the liards here…I try to be humble after 7 years of college and working for a great company for work..
I promise you if you need to trash talk me..I promise you..You have no idea who you speak too.. It is nice to live and learn with lizards..It is a privilege to be here..Please don’t try to trash me…I am very humble..But I take no shit from anybody..
Be well
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:37:52pm |
re: #731 McSpiff
‘Pushback’ is exactly the same tho’, the intention is to put people on the defensive. If they’re defending themselves from whatever stupidass accusation, they’re not talking about the subject at hand.
Calling people on it is just away to short-circuit that crap.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:38:05pm |
re: #732 JasonA
Can’t blame you guys for wanting to live around, you know, water…
And Trees!
Trees are good!
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:38:41pm |
re: #727 windsagio
The problem is that it’s impossible to actually have meaningful discussions if people are engaging in that kind of thing.
It just gets lost in the maze of semantics and mutual recriminations.
It’s probably beyond hope to expect better anywyas, but the hope is always that by pointing out hte blatant fallacies, you can get to the real meat of the argument…
Well …
My mind works in a simple way, and those things always get too complicated for me to follow. I just prefer the straight-up explanations and information (refute what they said), rather than accusations about behavior (how they said what they said). Just me.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:39:04pm |
re: #718 reine.de.tout
I did.
I still like Cato’s.
I like to read the discussions, not the accusations that someone is engaging in whatever. If someone is engaging in whatever, well, make your best factual, logical argument and see where it takes you!I always feel like the accusations (“TU Quoque!) are what derail the discussions, and really, for me anyhow, don’t add much of value. I just skip over those. I’d rather see what someone thinks, what opinion is, what information they can bring to inform a person about what they said, than an accusation about how they said it.
Just my .02
Tu Quoque is a real thing, and Charles has said it many times. It’s not like us liberal bastard upstarts coming out of nowhere observing fallacies. It’s said a lot because it’s used a lot here. There’s a lot of people here who are very cynical and not intellectually honest with some of their arguments, and I’m going to continue to point it out when I see it. I like logic and intellectual honesty on a political blog, I like it a lot more than getting along just to get along.
I want to know what people think too! But I won’t let them get away with fallacies. I am not wired to smile and let that stuff go.
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Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:39:15pm |
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:39:29pm |
re: #731 McSpiff
I feel that Tu Quoque is an a different category than “push back”. Tu Quoque, when successful, simply changes the topic of discussion from one the poster felt was ‘inconvenient’ to something they find more palpable. I think this type of derailment should rightfully be pointed out, since it usually doesn’t involve any actual counter points.
See:
re: #738 reine.de.tout
Well …
My mind works in a simple way, and those things always get too complicated for me to follow. I just prefer the straight-up explanations and information (refute what they said), rather than accusations about behavior (how they said what they said). Just me.
Honestly - it just confuses the hell out of me when that starts up.
LOL.
Sorry.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:39:29pm |
re: #721 cliffster
“This GOP politician - - is pandering to bigots. He is trying to win an election against , but he’s still a jerk for for pandering” I generally don’t hear that second sentence with the kind of people who say this sort of thing. A bit odd, that’s all.
I assume they’re all pandering. The other option is to believe that they are as stupid as they sound, and that keeps me up nights.
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Carlos Dangler Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:39:55pm |
re: #203 Lidane
Right. Because nothing the Park51 people do will ever satisfy their critics, short of just not building at all. That’s because the criticism of Park51 isn’t about the location, or any imaginary ties to Hamas, or anything else. It’s just about the fact that it’s a Muslim project. That’s it.
Precisely…if the congregation of St. Nicholas Greek Orthodox Church (which stood directly across the street from the WTC beside the Deutsche Bank buliding and was destroyed on 9/11) wanted to rebuild on the old site, I’d doubt you’d hear anything from the “Ground Zero Mosque” opponents.
/I wounder why that would be…
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:40:47pm |
re: #722 WindUpBird
Oh, Newt is a hundred times worse. Reid said a bigoted thing, and he did it very cravenly. Fuck that guy. But Reid doesn’t team up with the AMERICAN FAMILY ASSOCIATION. Reid isn’t repeating from the Spencer playbook, the Geller playbook. Newt is.
Newt is the definition of bigotry and slimy tribalist shit. He’s a golem created from nasty dominionist filth.
Yep this pretty much sums up how I feel about it. The troubling thing to me about the whole thing is people are saying we should be relying on our emotions on whether or not the thing should be built. There’s a lot of offensive speech out there and no one is suggesting that it be limited because it hurts feelings. Religions should be the same way. Shit, I hate and that’s being kind to fundamnentalists but they should have the right to have a holy building where they want without protest.
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cliffster Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:41:48pm |
re: #742 SanFranciscoZionist
I assume they’re all pandering. The other option is to believe that they are as stupid as they sound, and that keeps me up nights.
true, that.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:41:50pm |
re: #703 Dark_Falcon
Because people who are rooting for Reid don’t want to come out and say he took his position out of political calculation. It seems clear to me he did that; He realized that by opposing Park 51 he could prevent Angle outflanking him to the right on that issue.
Oh it was absolutely political calculation.
Still bigoted. Kicking a religion for political reasons is shit.
Part of me, a very dark part of me sorta wants to see Angle win, and then just become a grim laughing-stock and a total embarrassment to nevada. Sometimes the best way to expose the true nature of the crazy is to shine a spotlight on it (i.e., electing Angle to senate)
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:41:58pm |
Ironically complaining about getting called on ‘pushback’ is actually pushback in of itself.
Hows that for a braintwister?
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:41:59pm |
re: #740 Spare O’Lake
I just finished listening to the interview. For reasons which I cannot understand he 100% refused to agree that Hamas and the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood are terrorist organizations.
You 100% can’t understand him saying that he does not want to become a target, and that he is a supporter of the State of Israel while being interrupted repeatedly by an idiot deliberately ignorant to the nuances of his situation?
Of course you can’t.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:42:26pm |
re: #745 windsagio
Some of us have spent all too much time arguing on the internet, you get used to it after a while…
Especially if you start when you’re like 11 ;)
hah!
there you go.
I was like, 50 - stuck in my ways.
We used to joke, at work, about the IT guys. They all looked like they were about 12 years old. Some of ‘em weren’t too much older than that, actually.
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b_sharp Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:42:30pm |
Earlier today my wife found what looked like a black widow spider, so we looked it up and sure enough the markings were those of the northern black widow. It was only about 1/4” long though so it was either young or male.
I live in southern Sask. We don’t get black widows here. I’ve had acrophobia since I was a little kid, the only thing allowing me to go out into the bush is the idea we don’t have poisonous spiders.
Now they’re coming after me. It isn’t fair.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:43:10pm |
re: #747 WindUpBird
Yeah I don’t see anybody on here calling Harry anything but a craven asshole :P
We’re just saying that he’s 100x better than Newt.
PS: I kinda want angle to win too, especially now that Reid pussed out. Maybe the Dems will learn a lesson from it!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:43:14pm |
re: #745 windsagio
Some of us have spent all too much time arguing on the internet, you get used to it after a while…
Especially if you start when you’re like 11 ;)
Yeah, the problem with arguing on the internet for 20 years is there’s really no new argument techniques under the sun. All the same patterns emerge, all the tactics have been seen.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:43:17pm |
re: #741 reine.de.tout
Its alright, it really comes down to keeping a thread roughly on one topic. Its not fair to either side to change the topic simply because it makes them look bad.
Obviously threads will have some flow and move through topics naturally, I just dont like to see this open nature abused so that valid points don’t get made.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:43:22pm |
re: #740 Spare O’Lake
I just finished listening to the interview. For reasons which I cannot understand he 100% refused to agree that Hamas and the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood are terrorist organizations.
The reason is simple: He’s trying to straddle the fence. To most Arabs (and many other Muslims) Hamas is not a terrorist organization because it is fighting Israel, a nation they hate with passionate intensity. For Rauf to condemn Hamas would damn him in the eyes of those who see is Israel as evil, while to praise Hamas would be to damn himself in the eyes of most Americans. So he hems and haws and avoids taking a position.
| 756 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:43:23pm |
re: #748 windsagio
Ironically complaining about getting called on ‘pushback’ is actually pushback in of itself.
Hows that for a braintwister?
STOP THAT NOW
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:43:24pm |
re: #751 b_sharp
Earlier today my wife found what looked like a black widow spider, so we looked it up and sure enough the markings were those of the northern black widow. It was only about 1/4” long though so it was either young or male.
I live in southern Sask. We don’t get black widows here. I’ve had acrophobia since I was a little kid, the only thing allowing me to go out into the bush is the idea we don’t have poisonous spiders.
Now they’re coming after me. It isn’t fair.
You should’ve squashed it and not looked it up.
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Stanley Sea Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:43:25pm |
re: #725 Dark_Falcon
I didn’t know that. I just saw it at work. Do you know anything about the paper that ran it?
Nope. Just two Muslim guys who said that Mosques are victory celebrations on the defeated. (basically)
I’d rather hear the opinions of these dudes:
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Carlos Dangler Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:43:26pm |
re: #722 WindUpBird
Oh, Newt is a hundred times worse. Reid said a bigoted thing, and he did it very cravenly. Fuck that guy. But Reid doesn’t team up with the AMERICAN FAMILY ASSOCIATION. Reid isn’t repeating from the Spencer playbook, the Geller playbook. Newt is.
Newt is the definition of bigotry and slimy tribalist shit. He’s a golem created from nasty dominionist filth.
QFT…
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cliffster Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:43:37pm |
re: #722 WindUpBird
Oh, Newt is a hundred times worse. Reid said a bigoted thing, and he did it very cravenly. Fuck that guy. But Reid doesn’t team up with the AMERICAN FAMILY ASSOCIATION. Reid isn’t repeating from the Spencer playbook, the Geller playbook. Newt is.
Newt is the definition of bigotry and slimy tribalist shit. He’s a golem created from nasty dominionist filth.
It’s good to see how so many people try to keep this from being a hate site. And then people write stuff like this…
| 761 |
b_sharp Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:44:02pm |
re: #735 HoosierHoops
No my friend..I don’t think so..I have spent time here as a good lizard without a major war..I enjoy learning from the liards here…I try to be humble after 7 years of college and working for a great company for work..
I promise you if you need to trash talk me..I promise you..You have no idea who you speak too.. It is nice to live and learn with lizards..It is a privilege to be here..Please don’t try to trash me…I am very humble..But I take no shit from anybody..
Be well
Hoops, I wouldn’t hesitate a nanosecond to tease you, but I wouldn’t even think of trashing you.
| 762 |
Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:44:12pm |
| 763 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:44:20pm |
re: #739 WindUpBird
Tu Quoque is a real thing, and Charles has said it many times. It’s not like us liberal bastard upstarts coming out of nowhere observing fallacies. It’s said a lot because it’s used a lot here. There’s a lot of people here who are very cynical and not intellectually honest with some of their arguments, and I’m going to continue to point it out when I see it. I like logic and intellectual honesty on a political blog, I like it a lot more than getting along just to get along.
I want to know what people think too! But I won’t let them get away with fallacies. I am not wired to smile and let that stuff go.
“Tu quoque” can also be used legitimately, as when looking back at Newt’s blowjob-in-the-Oval-Office rageboner and realizing that he was or already had or would do similar himself. In that case, “tu quoque” is what you scream when you don’t like your guy being called a hypocrite. Both mean the same thing; one is in Latin, the other in Greek.
| 765 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:44:24pm |
re: #752 windsagio
Yeah I don’t see anybody on here calling Harry anything but a craven asshole :P
We’re just saying that he’s 100x better than Newt.
PS: I kinda want angle to win too, especially now that Reid pussed out. Maybe the Dems will learn a lesson from it!
yeha, who are these people devending Reid?
Hey Dark Falcon? Who’s actually defending Reid around here? :D Is this a straw man or are there posters who are okay with what he said?
| 766 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:44:41pm |
re: #760 cliffster
Newt is an evil fucker. he’s the representation of the absolute worst of the GOP, and did a ton to get it where it is today.
| 767 |
Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:44:51pm |
re: #716 WindUpBird
Actually come to think of it, I LITERALLY, no joke, would live in a van in Oregon before I’d move to vegas. Absolutely.
a van down by the river…?
| 768 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:45:13pm |
re: #748 windsagio
Ironically complaining about getting called on ‘pushback’ is actually pushback in of itself.
Hows that for a braintwister?
Meh.
| 769 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:45:29pm |
re: #763 Cato the Elder
Tu quoque is the accepted term for the fallacy tho :)
| 770 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:45:34pm |
| 771 |
Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:45:41pm |
American History X
Youtube Video
Worth a second look if you haven’t seen it in a while.
| 772 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:46:09pm |
Good night all…. and good night Harry Reid… where ever you are…
| 773 |
Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:46:44pm |
| 774 |
HoosierHoops Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:46:45pm |
re: #761 b_sharp
Hoops, I wouldn’t hesitate a nanosecond to tease you, but I wouldn’t even think of trashing you.
Hey bro..I’m watching Monday Night football…I’m having fun and I am so sorry..Please point out a jackass for me tonight..I’m ready for a fight!
Not really..Just having fun my friend
| 775 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:46:53pm |
re: #769 windsagio
Tu quoque is the accepted term for the fallacy tho :)
But not every time it’s brought up is it actually “the fallacy”.
| 777 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:47:08pm |
re: #750 reine.de.tout
hah!
there you go.
I was like, 50 - stuck in my ways.We used to joke, at work, about the IT guys. They all looked like they were about 12 years old. Some of ‘em weren’t too much older than that, actually.
The IT guys in every company, those are my people. I’m not in IT, but liek half my internet friends are. Some are lead IT guys who essentially run entire companies’ backend. The conventions I go to, they’re full of IT guys who have secret lives wearing zany outfits and going to raves ;-)
| 778 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:47:32pm |
re: #773 JasonA
They look like they’re from the Dranei starting zone.
ahahahahahahaha fuck they totally do
| 779 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:47:52pm |
re: #775 Cato the Elder
If I were evil, I’d ask you to find an example where the term has been misused, but that’s unduly cruel.
If its being misused, then call it then, and we can have a fun meta-conversation about whether its being used correctly. Usually it is, tho’.
| 780 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:48:00pm |
re: #749 goddamnedfrank
You 100% can’t understand him saying that he does not want to become a target, and that he is a supporter of the State of Israel while being interrupted repeatedly by an idiot deliberately ignorant to the nuances of his situation?
Of course you can’t.
The US government has declared Hamas and the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood to be terrorist organizations. Rauf will not agree. No wonder many view him with suspicion.
BTW he is a very talented and polished speaker, and I liked the rest of what he had to say.
| 781 |
b_sharp Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:48:30pm |
re: #751 b_sharp
Earlier today my wife found what looked like a black widow spider, so we looked it up and sure enough the markings were those of the northern black widow. It was only about 1/4” long though so it was either young or male.
I live in southern Sask. We don’t get black widows here. I’ve had acrophobia since I was a little kid, the only thing allowing me to go out into the bush is the idea we don’t have poisonous spiders.
Now they’re coming after me. It isn’t fair.
Arachnophobia, not acrophobia.
Sometimes I hate spell checkers.
| 782 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:48:33pm |
re: #730 windsagio
WUB and I are blatantly Regionalist :D
I’ve been to other states. They’re not for me! Oregon is for me. Maybe northern California. Seattle’s sorta dead to me because of the traffic, but I could probably tolerate it :D
783 |
Donna Ballard Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:49:01pm |
Sanity Break Time!
BTW, Hi Everybody! Happy Monday to you!
| 784 |
b_sharp Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:49:42pm |
re: #757 JasonA
You should’ve squashed it and not looked it up.
It disappeared when the wife ran in to get a bigger magnifying glass.
| 785 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:49:46pm |
re: #779 windsagio
If I were evil, I’d ask you to find an example where the term has been misused, but that’s unduly cruel.
If its being misused, then call it then, and we can have a fun meta-conversation about whether its being used correctly. Usually it is, tho’.
ARGH!
No, pleasepleaseplease, no.
No.
Please.
| 786 |
Carlos Dangler Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:49:48pm |
re: #760 cliffster
It’s good to see how so many people try to keep this from being a hate site. And then people write stuff like this…
I don’t hate Newt as a person, though I do think he is loathsome human being and a craven politician has has no problem twisting with the political winds to gain and keep power at any cost.
In fact, I pity Newt, because one day, all of the bad karma he’s built up over his lifetime will come smashing down on his head.
| 787 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:50:25pm |
re: #785 reine.de.tout
I’ll relent just for you reine :D
NO MORE TQ OR PUSHBACK FROM ME TONIGHT!
If I fail, you can get out the whip.
| 788 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:50:42pm |
re: #785 reine.de.tout
ARGH!
No, pleasepleaseplease, no.
No.
Please.
Or we could just talk about beer :D
| 790 |
cliffster Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:50:50pm |
re: #766 windsagio
Newt is an evil fucker. he’s the representation of the absolute worst of the GOP, and did a ton to get it where it is today.
yes - it’s ok to post comments full of raging hatred as long as, you know, you really hate whoever you’re talking about. hehe.
| 791 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:50:54pm |
re: #765 WindUpBird
yeha, who are these people devending Reid?
Hey Dark Falcon? Who’s actually defending Reid around here? :D Is this a straw man or are there posters who are okay with what he said?
I dunno, i was mostly speculating. I myself wouldn’t call Reid actions bigoted, since its not about what he feels, but about him saying what the public wants him to say. Bigotry takes a certain level of conviction; Reid is a politician running to get ahead of the mob.
| 792 |
Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:50:55pm |
re: #784 b_sharp
It disappeared when the wife ran in to get a bigger magnifying glass.
Yikes.
Sleep well.
| 793 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:51:55pm |
re: #790 cliffster
Well try to defend him tho’. Is he not an awful person who has done terrible harm to the country?
I wanna hear this :D
| 794 |
goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:51:58pm |
re: #780 Spare O’Lake
The US government has declared Hamas and the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood to be terrorist organizations. Rauf will not agree. No wonder many view him with suspicion.
BTW he is a very talented and polished speaker, and I liked the rest of what he had to say.
Yes, he’s articulate.
He’s not the US government. He doesn’t have the backing of a personal Army, Navy, etc. at his beck and call. He doesn’t want to become a target. He is a supporter of the State of Israel. He wants to build bridges. It would be one thing if he painted himself into a corner, but when others gang up to try do it for him it strikes me as very unseemly, to put it mildly.
Has the YMCA condemned the Lord’s Resistance Army yet?
| 795 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:52:18pm |
re: #781 b_sharp
Arachnophobia, not acrophobia.
Sometimes I hate spell checkers.
Acrophobia is fear of heights.
Your therapy will be to be put on a roller-coaster with a leaky bag of spiders.
| 796 |
cliffster Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:52:52pm |
re: #786 talon_262
It’s funny - the older I get, the more I have more pity than disgust at people like him. I don’t know what it’s like to be in the heads of these judgmental social conservative jackasses, but it’s likely not very much fun.
| 797 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:52:55pm |
re: #788 WindUpBird
Or we could just talk about beer :D
OR, before I leave, we could talk about Albusteve, and everyone who wishes to is invited to post a comment at the Well-Wishes page.
We could even talk about him behind his back there.
He can be an aggravating SOB, but he’s been through a really rough patch, so it would be nice to let him know you’re wishing him a speedy recovery.
| 798 |
b_sharp Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:53:45pm |
re: #785 reine.de.tout
ARGH!
No, pleasepleaseplease, no.
No.
Please.
Yes please. I enjoy those kinds of discussions.
| 799 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:54:03pm |
re: #797 reine.de.tout
YOU BROUGHT IT UP!
I feel for the guy, sucks to lose a leg, but…
I don’t find his whole troll persona charming anymore. He’s only fun when he’s talking about classic cars or classic rock :P
| 800 |
cliffster Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:54:28pm |
re: #793 windsagio
Well try to defend him tho’. Is he not an awful person who has done terrible harm to the country?
I wanna hear this :D
I didn’t express an opinion one way or another on Newt. I expressed an opinion on posts that are full of anger and hatred.
| 801 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:54:35pm |
re: #781 b_sharp
Arachnophobia, not acrophobia.
Sometimes I hate spell checkers.
I swear, the best spell-check mistake evah, that I’ve ever come across, was a secretary who wrote, on behalf of her boss, to a newly elected official to congratulate him on his recent election, only she typed “erection” and spell-check said SURE! That’s a word! And caught the error as she was reading a copy of the letter just after she put it in the mailbox.
| 802 |
Carlos Dangler Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:54:49pm |
re: #780 Spare O’Lake
The US government has declared Hamas and the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood to be terrorist organizations. Rauf will not agree. No wonder many view him with suspicion.
BTW he is a very talented and polished speaker, and I liked the rest of what he had to say.
It not his place to make statements on national security and foreign policy…besides, you know as well as I that if Rauf ever said anything like that in public or in the press, there’d be a fatwa from the Wahabbis (who don’t like Sufis anyway) on his head so quick, it’d make your head spin.
| 803 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:55:06pm |
re: #760 cliffster
It’s good to see how so many people try to keep this from being a hate site. And then people write stuff like this…
Yeha, I’m sorry I hate the guy who’s hanging out with bigots and trying to prevent me from being able to teach in schools or adopt children.
How totally unreasonable of me!
In other news, black guy gets scolded by Cliffster for hating David Duke.
Seriously dude, you might want to gain some context for why I can’t stand Newt. I know his shit isn’t a problem to you, but some of us in this country who are already second class citizens would prefer it if politicians weren’t trying to make us third class citizens.
So Cliffster, gotta ask you: a guy who says this:
Wildmon has stated that he believes obscene content on television and in movies is a result of the media being controlled by Jews, who intentionally place anti-Christian messages and activities into their programming to undermine Christianity
Could ya see how I could get pissed at people bosom buddies with that guy?
I’ll repeat. I fucking hate Newt. hate him, and I hate Wildmon too. They’re shit. They’re the suit and tie on the new Klan. Straight fucking up.
| 804 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:55:21pm |
re: #800 cliffster
Yer trying to weasel out of it tho’.
Sometimes anger is justified, and again take a position and say how (emotion aside) what I (or anybody else) said is wrong.
| 805 |
b_sharp Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:55:26pm |
re: #792 JasonA
Yikes.
Sleep well.
Thanks. We’re going on a camping trip on Wednesday.
In the mean time I can’t stop itching.
| 806 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:55:29pm |
re: #791 Dark_Falcon
I dunno, i was mostly speculating. I myself wouldn’t call Reid actions bigoted, since its not about what he feels, but about him saying what the public wants him to say. Bigotry takes a certain level of conviction; Reid is a politician running to get ahead of the mob.
But is anyone here defending Reid? I can’t think of anyone.
| 807 |
Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:55:38pm |
re: #799 windsagio
YOU BROUGHT IT UP!
I feel for the guy, sucks to lose a leg, but…
I don’t find his whole troll persona charming anymore. He’s only fun when he’s talking about classic cars or classic rock :P
It wouldn’t kill you to wish him well man.
| 808 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:55:44pm |
re: #800 cliffster
PS: Reine, Is ‘concern-trolling’ off limits too?
| 809 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:55:50pm |
re: #797 reine.de.tout
I keep hoping I’ll log in and see one of his absolutely aggravating comments posted, with the “hahaha!” and all. Then we can call each other idiots for the better part of an hour, till brookly shows up and we turn a nearly-dead thread into a classic rock hangout. Can’t freakin wait.
| 810 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:55:58pm |
re: #799 windsagio
YOU BROUGHT IT UP!
I feel for the guy, sucks to lose a leg, but…
I don’t find his whole troll persona charming anymore. He’s only fun when he’s talking about classic cars or classic rock :P
hehehe.
I think he’s quite self-aware.
And that assessment would not be news to him.
| 811 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:56:10pm |
re: #794 goddamnedfrank
Yes, he’s articulate.
He’s not the US government. He doesn’t have the backing of a personal Army, Navy, etc. at his beck and call. He doesn’t want to become a target. He is a supporter of the State of Israel. He wants to build bridges. It would be one thing if he painted himself into a corner, but when others gang up to try do it for him it strikes me as very unseemly, to put it mildly.
Has the YMCA condemned the Lord’s Resistance Army yet?
So he’s too scared to call out the fuckers?
Okay then, that’s just fine and dandy for some, I guess.
Not so much for others.
| 812 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:56:21pm |
re: #799 windsagio
YOU BROUGHT IT UP!
I feel for the guy, sucks to lose a leg, but…
I don’t find his whole troll persona charming anymore. He’s only fun when he’s talking about classic cars or classic rock :P
He’s a mixed bag, but I’m very grateful for his music knowledge. That plus his sheer grit and determination give him value on this blog.
Just one man’s opinion.
| 813 |
Carlos Dangler Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:56:23pm |
re: #791 Dark_Falcon
I dunno, i was mostly speculating. I myself wouldn’t call Reid actions bigoted, since its not about what he feels, but about him saying what the public wants him to say. Bigotry takes a certain level of conviction; Reid is a politician running to get ahead of the mob.
In other words, it was a craven political move to get some of the bigots and xenophobes on his side…politics is nasty, but Reid’s still a jackass.
| 814 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:56:31pm |
re: #800 cliffster
I didn’t express an opinion one way or another on Newt. I expressed an opinion on posts that are full of anger and hatred.
I guess we should just hug and kiss and love anti-semite organizations that try to ruin the lives of gay people.
| 815 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:56:32pm |
re: #809 McSpiff
I keep hoping I’ll log in and see one of his absolutely aggravating comments posted, with the “hahaha!” and all. Then we can call each other idiots for the better part of an hour, till brookly shows up and we turn a nearly-dead thread into a classic rock hangout. Can’t freakin wait.
McSpiff - GO POST THAT there!
| 817 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:57:04pm |
re: #810 reine.de.tout
hehehe.
I think he’s quite self-aware.
And that assessment would not be news to him.
Oh totally! That’s why its a ‘persona’ ;) I think I’m just too internetty to be amused anymore. WUB think’s its great because he’s a sucker for cars :P
But seriously, speedy recovery to steve.
| 818 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:57:18pm |
The actual damage caused by Reid’s pandering, or bigotry, or both, is that now the wingnuts can point to his statement and say, “See? Even Harry Reid is against the ultra-mega-hyper-mosque of Islamist supremacist triumphalist doomz!!!11ty!!”
Fuck you, Harry, and I hope you lose. At least Angle seems to believe her own shite. This country can survive another crazy-ass true believer. I’m not sure it can survive six more years of your craven opportunistic spinelessness.
| 819 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:57:43pm |
re: #808 windsagio
PS: Reine, Is ‘concern-trolling’ off limits too?
Nothing’s off limits.
I just don’t get it, is all.
It’s just me.
| 820 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:58:20pm |
re: #817 windsagio
Oh totally! That’s why its a ‘persona’ ;) I think I’m just too internetty to be amused anymore. WUB think’s its great because he’s a sucker for cars :P
But seriously, speedy recovery to steve.
I do like wheels *_* And I hope steve recovers well and comes back soon, I really, despite all my back and forth with that guy over his music opinions and the Obamas, he’s an interesting dude and I’m fond of him
| 821 |
b_sharp Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:58:28pm |
re: #795 Cato the Elder
Acrophobia is fear of heights.
Your therapy will be to be put on a roller-coaster with a leaky bag of spiders.
Yah, I know.
I think I’ll develop agoraphobia so I don’t have to go anywhere.
| 822 |
windsagio Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:58:39pm |
re: #818 Cato the Elder
To be honest I kinda hope he loses too. Not like he’s doing much good where he is, anyways.
| 823 |
cliffster Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:58:42pm |
re: #814 WindUpBird
I guess we should just hug and kiss and love anti-semite organizations that try to ruin the lives of gay people.
No. You don’t want people posting hateful shit about Obama, you don’t post hateful shit about people you don’t like. Trust me, people dislike Obama every bit as much as you dislike Newt. The fact that you think you’re right doesn’t make it ok to post that kind of shit - they think they’re right too.
| 824 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 7:59:01pm |
re: #806 WindUpBird
But is anyone here defending Reid? I can’t think of anyone.
Nope. Upon further review, nobody posting right now is defending Harry Reid.
| 826 |
Donna Ballard Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:00:08pm |
re: #789 b_sharp
Yes.
I once watched my 6’3” older brother become as whinny and screamy as a little girl when faced with a spider. I couldn’t resist laughing even though I have a phobia of my own, heights. Just ask RWC how long he’s been trying to get me over that malady. :)
| 827 |
b_sharp Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:00:17pm |
re: #801 reine.de.tout
I swear, the best spell-check mistake evah, that I’ve ever come across, was a secretary who wrote, on behalf of her boss, to a newly elected official to congratulate him on his recent election, only she typed “erection” and spell-check said SURE! That’s a word! And caught the error as she was reading a copy of the letter just after she put it in the mailbox.
LOL.
But was it a rageboner?
| 828 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:00:24pm |
re: #820 WindUpBird
I do like wheels *_* And I hope steve recovers well and comes back soon, I really, despite all my back and forth with that guy over his music opinions and the Obamas, he’s an interesting dude and I’m fond of him
Honest & heartfeld.
| 829 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:00:39pm |
Dinner is briefly stalled, because I am turning on the rice cooker. My husband tasted my first effort at risotto—which I thought was pretty damn good—looked panicked and said, “It’s CHEWY.”
| 830 |
Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:00:51pm |
Okay, Jon Stewart time.
He’s going to be talking about Park 51 too, isn’t he?
| 831 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:01:01pm |
re: #827 b_sharp
LOL.
But was it a rageboner?
I’m gonna have to look that up.
Tomorrow.
G’night, all!
Have a great evening.
| 832 |
goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:01:02pm |
re: #811 Spare O’Lake
So he’s too scared to call out the fuckers?
Okay then, that’s just fine and dandy for some, I guess.
Not so much for others.
Again, why won’t the YMCA call out the Lord’s Resistance Army? Why isn’t anybody asking them to? Any Christian who isn’t asking the YMCA to condemn the LRA must condone drugging, raping children and forcing them to become soldiers, to murder their parents and siblings, right?
This is religious guilt by association, pure and simple, and it’s disgusting.
| 833 |
cliffster Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:01:28pm |
albusteve could kick anybody’s ass here, no matter how many legs he has.
834 |
jaunte Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:02:10pm |
re: #830 JasonA
Okay, Jon Stewart time.
He’s going to be talking about Park 51 too, isn’t he?
“Not in my Baqyard” is the super…
| 835 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:03:31pm |
re: #823 cliffster
No. You don’t want people posting hateful shit about Obama, you don’t post hateful shit about people you don’t like. Trust me, people dislike Obama every bit as much as you dislike Newt. The fact that you think you’re right doesn’t make it ok to post that kind of shit - they think they’re right too.
So now we’re equating Newt with Obama?
Sorry dude. Not buying it. Newt is shit, and he’s in bed with worse. it’s transparent and obvious. Hatemongering slime.
The march of this bigoted populism is literally what this blog has been exposing since at least 2007.
Are you next going to get all concerned at me when I say I hate Geert Wilders? Someone please speak up for Pamela Geller!
| 836 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:03:56pm |
re: #824 Dark_Falcon
Nope. Upon further review, nobody posting
right nowat all is defending Harry Reid.
| 837 |
Donna Ballard Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:04:43pm |
re: #833 cliffster
albusteve could kick anybody’s ass here, no matter how many legs he has.
Agreed, he can be quite formidable and I for one won’t be taking him on anytime soon! ;)
| 838 |
Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:05:26pm |
Oh crap, that was an awesome Beck clip.
| 839 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:06:10pm |
re: #830 JasonA
Okay, Jon Stewart time.
He’s going to be talking about Park 51 too, isn’t he?
he did a good thing on it a few days back, when he revealed all the muslim culture in that area that PREDATED THE WORLD TRADE CENTER :D
| 840 |
HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:06:16pm |
Jon totally busted Beck for accusing the Imam of doing what he did. And quite frankly these right wing hosts who rag on the Imam are the same ones who kissed Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson’s asses even though they flat out said we deserved 9-11.
| 841 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:06:43pm |
re: #811 Spare O’Lake
So he’s too scared to call out the fuckers?
Okay then, that’s just fine and dandy for some, I guess.
Not so much for others.
I don’t really care. He’s just another peace, love and understanding guy, with his own agenda. In my neighborhood, they fall out of trees when you shake ‘em.
He’s so low down on my list of problems I can’t even express how low he is.
| 842 |
HoosierHoops Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:06:52pm |
re: #833 cliffster
albusteve could kick anybody’s ass here, no matter how many legs he has.
I love him..But..you know..I emailed my times to him from High school..I love the steve-o..Good man….But those times fucked him up..Wink
Get better Steve! He is about 8 days away lizards…I promise you..From what I have read
| 843 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:07:35pm |
re: #836 WindUpBird
I wasn’t here for most of the day. I didn’t want to speak to threads I haven’t read. I found myself in error, and withdrew to a position whose truth I could be sure of. I thank you for the further clarification.
| 844 |
b_sharp Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:07:51pm |
re: #826 Dragon_Lady
I once watched my 6’3” older brother become as whinny and screamy as a little girl when faced with a spider. I couldn’t resist laughing even though I have a phobia of my own, heights. Just ask RWC how long he’s been trying to get me over that malady. :)
I’ve actually gotten over most of it. I only freak out if the spider is on me and is bigger than a couple of mms.
How is RWC trying to ‘help’ you?
| 845 |
Donna Ballard Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:08:06pm |
Good Night Everyone! Keep Laughing and all will be well!
Get Well soon albusteve!
| 846 |
cliffster Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:08:19pm |
re: #835 WindUpBird
How did I equate Obama and Newt. Accusing me of that is utterly dishonest for a person as smart as you. In point of fact, I don’t think you should post angry, hateful comments about anybody.
847 |
prairiefire Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:08:46pm |
I am not “friending” one more dope smoking “conservative” from high school on Facebook. Not one.
| 848 |
cliffster Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:09:45pm |
re: #845 Dragon_Lady
Good Night Everyone! Keep Laughing and all will be well!
Get Well soon albusteve!
night DL!
| 849 |
HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:10:09pm |
Haha Jon’s totally busting on Oliver’s accent.
| 850 |
Donna Ballard Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:10:38pm |
re: #844 b_sharp
I’ve actually gotten over most of it. I only freak out if the spider is on me and is bigger than a couple of mms.
How is RWC trying to ‘help’ you?
One quick reply then I’m gonna go nite nite.
He’s been taking me on hikes that have some heights that are gradually desensitizing me to the fear. It does get worse when I’m tired or stressed out but for the most part it’s getting better.
Sleep tight everyone and Keep Laughing! ;)
| 851 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:11:41pm |
re: #794 goddamnedfrank
Yes, he’s articulate.
He’s not the US government. He doesn’t have the backing of a personal Army, Navy, etc. at his beck and call. He doesn’t want to become a target. He is a supporter of the State of Israel. He wants to build bridges. It would be one thing if he painted himself into a corner, but when others gang up to try do it for him it strikes me as very unseemly, to put it mildly.
Has the YMCA condemned the Lord’s Resistance Army yet?
WTF does the LRA have to do with the aftermath of 9-11 and the fact that all the terrorists just happened to be Muslims who killed in the name of Islam?
If Christian extremists had killed several thousand Muslims and then a Church was proposed to be built around the corner from the slaughter, wouldn’t that be seen by many as giving the middle digit to the Muslim community?
| 853 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:12:53pm |
re: #851 Spare O’Lake
WTF does the LRA have to do with the aftermath of 9-11 and the fact that all the terrorists just happened to be Muslims who killed in the name of Islam?
If Christian extremists had killed several thousand Muslims and then a Church was proposed to be built around the corner from the slaughter, wouldn’t that be seen by many as giving the middle digit to the Muslim community?
It would be so seen.
854 |
Interesting Times Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:13:51pm |
| 855 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:14:14pm |
| 857 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:14:29pm |
re: #854 publicityStunted
Be sure to notify your doctor if it lasts longer than four hours /
Unless you’re Smiling Bob.
/
| 858 |
cliffster Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:14:34pm |
re: #854 publicityStunted
Be sure to notify your doctor if it lasts longer than four hours /
the one-liners could easily last all night.
| 859 |
goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:15:18pm |
re: #851 Spare O’Lake
If Christian extremists had killed several thousand Muslims and then a Church was proposed to be built around the corner from the slaughter, wouldn’t that be seen by many as giving the middle digit to the Muslim community
In order for this analogy to hold water only Christians would have had to have died on 911. I assure you that in spite of St. Giuliani’s cross, Christians do not in fact own ground zero.
| 860 |
Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:15:34pm |
In the middle of the table is a round food tray with five kinds of fruits on it.
They are:
A Apple
B Banana
C Strawberry
D Peach
E Orange
Which fruit will you choose?
Please think VERY carefully and don’t rush into it. This is great, I was astounded!
Your choice reveals a lot about you! Take your time!
Test results: Please SCROLL DOWN;
| 861 |
Kruk Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:15:45pm |
Ack. I wonder if everyone is going to start screaming “death panel!” or “rationing!” when the FDA (a drug *regulatory* body) makes a decision that there is no evidence of survival benefit. Chemotherapy has major side effects, and it’s downright wrong to allow a treatment to be promoted as effective when it’s not. The process shouldn’t be allowed to be used as an opportunity for political point scoring.
| 863 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:15:53pm |
re: #851 Spare O’Lake
WTF does the LRA have to do with the aftermath of 9-11 and the fact that all the terrorists just happened to be Muslims who killed in the name of Islam?
If Christian extremists had killed several thousand Muslims and then a Church was proposed to be built around the corner from the slaughter, wouldn’t that be seen by many as giving the middle digit to the Muslim community?
I don’t know. Is this hypothetical church being built by the people or the organization that carried out the massacre? Is the church open to Muslims and people of all faiths for classes, community activities and gym use? I think that might be seen an act of mending.
| 864 |
Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:16:00pm |
If you have chosen:
A Apple: That means you are a person who loves to eat apples
B Banana: That means you are a person who loves to eat bananas
C Strawberry: That means you are a person who loves to eat strawberries
D Peach: That means you are a person who loves to eat peaches
E Orange : That means you are a person who loves to eat oranges
| 865 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:16:35pm |
| 866 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:16:43pm |
re: #854 publicityStunted
Be sure to notify your doctor if it lasts longer than four hours /
Advice to wingnuts: If you get a rageboner that lasts longer than four months, go immediately to your nearest Obamacare free socialist health clinic. You could be permanently damaging your equipment.
| 867 |
b_sharp Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:18:12pm |
re: #864 Racer X
If you have chosen:
A Apple: That means you are a person who loves to eat apples
B Banana: That means you are a person who loves to eat bananas
C Strawberry: That means you are a person who loves to eat strawberries
D Peach: That means you are a person who loves to eat peaches
E Orange : That means you are a person who loves to eat oranges
I should downding you for that.
I chose a banana and two peaches.
| 868 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:18:18pm |
re: #865 Dark_Falcon
Sadly, that doesn’t matter all that much. If they think its the truth and act on that basis, then we have to deal with the rage thus created. Facts and truth are limited use when strong emotions are in play.
Hmm, seems to me that giving in to incorrect perceptions will only strengthen those who refuse to listen to facts, fueling further outrages in the future. Appeasement generally isn’t the way to go.
| 869 |
Gus Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:18:18pm |
If I had the money I’d move to France somewhere far away from this country so I wouldn’t have to hear about 9-11 for the rest of my life.
| 870 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:18:29pm |
re: #866 Cato the Elder
Advice to wingnuts: If you get a rageboner that lasts longer than four months, go immediately to your nearest Obamacare free socialist health clinic. You could be permanently damaging your equipment.
Not that they get much use out of said equipment.
| 871 |
cliffster Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:18:37pm |
re: #864 Racer X
If you have chosen:
A Apple: That means you are a person who loves to eat apples
B Banana: That means you are a person who loves to eat bananas
C Strawberry: That means you are a person who loves to eat strawberries
D Peach: That means you are a person who loves to eat peaches
E Orange : That means you are a person who loves to eat oranges
On a stop light green means go, red means stop and yellow means slow down, but on a banana it’s just the opposite. Green means ‘hold on,’ yellow means ‘go ahead,’ and red means, ‘where the fuck did you get that banana at?’
- mitch
| 872 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:20:05pm |
re: #868 McSpiff
Hmm, seems to me that giving in to incorrect perceptions will only strengthen those who refuse to listen to facts, fueling further outrages in the future. Appeasement generally isn’t the way to go.
no, it isn’t but I wasn’t advocating appeasement. I was saying that once the rage is extant, we have to deal with it. Even if the reasons for its existence are stupid (and they are).
| 873 |
Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:20:49pm |
re: #872 Dark_Falcon
no, it isn’t but I wasn’t advocating appeasement. I was saying that once the rage is extant, we have to deal with it. Even if the reasons for its existence are stupid (and they are).
Build FEMA Camps.
That ought to throw them through a loop.
| 874 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:20:53pm |
re: #870 Dark_Falcon
Not that they get much use out of said equipment.
Well, both sex and rage are all in the brain.
| 875 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:21:29pm |
re: #863 SanFranciscoZionist
I don’t know. Is this hypothetical church being built by the people or the organization that carried out the massacre? Is the church open to Muslims and people of all faiths for classes, community activities and gym use? I think that might be seen an act of mending.
Yes, some would certainly see it as an act of mending, but many would not. Only time would give the proof, but in the meantime the controversy would certainly rage.
| 876 |
prairiefire Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:21:44pm |
I have to make an appointment with an endodontist to drill into my gum, who’s jealous?
| 877 |
webevintage Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:21:55pm |
re: #861 Kruk
Ack. I wonder if everyone is going to start screaming “death panel!” or “rationing!” when the FDA (a drug *regulatory* body) makes a decision that there is no evidence of survival benefit. Chemotherapy has major side effects, and it’s downright wrong to allow a treatment to be promoted as effective when it’s not. The process shouldn’t be allowed to be used as an opportunity for political point scoring.
[Link: www.telegraph.co.uk…]
Vitter from the article:
“David Vitter, the Republican Senator for Louisiana, said the FDA decision amounted to rationing health care.
“I shudder at the thought of a government panel assigning a value to a day of a person’s life,” he said. “It is sickening to think that care would be withheld from a patient simply because their life is not deemed valuable enough. “
If the drug does not work why would we want anyone to waste money on it? If it does not work, it does not extend the lives of women with breast cancer (2 studies have found) no one should even take it. They might as well take sugar pills.
God I hate Vitter.
He is the worst kind of bastard.
| 878 |
Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:22:29pm |
re: #876 prairiefire
I have to make an appointment with an endodontist to drill into my gum, who’s jealous?
I’d rather hit my hand with a hammer.
Have fun!
:P
| 879 |
prairiefire Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:23:14pm |
re: #878 Varek Raith
I hope they have the good dope that day.
| 880 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:23:16pm |
re: #873 Varek Raith
Build FEMA Camps.
That ought to throw them through a loop.
Well, the freak-out would be kind of fun to watch.
| 881 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:23:44pm |
re: #872 Dark_Falcon
no, it isn’t but I wasn’t advocating appeasement. I was saying that once the rage is extant, we have to deal with it. Even if the reasons for its existence are stupid (and they are).
Sorry, I guess I’m getting sick of the constant “but it makes me sad!”, “but if we did that the muslims would raaaageeee”, “but there aren’t synagogues in moscow yet!” posts.
Seriously, life is hard people. I’m from the generation that had 9/11 burned into our eyeballs during formative years. If I can imagine this community center without going into convolutions, so can you!
| 882 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:26:13pm |
OK, need some Lizard input:
Ken Follett’s “Pillars of the Earth” is now available for instant gratification on Netflix.
I read the book with great pleasure years and years ago.
Anyone seen it yet?
It’s either watch a movie or do housework.
| 883 |
Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:26:38pm |
| 884 |
prairiefire Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:27:22pm |
re: #882 Cato the Elder
I read a review that gave it a B.
| 885 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:28:17pm |
re: #882 Cato the Elder
OK, need some Lizard input:
Ken Follett’s “Pillars of the Earth” is now available for instant gratification on Netflix.
I read the book with great pleasure years and years ago.
Anyone seen it yet?
It’s either watch a movie or do housework.
celticdragon likes it.
| 886 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:28:40pm |
re: #881 McSpiff
If I can imagine this community center without going into convolutions, so can you!
Just don’t go into any convulsions.
| 887 |
Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:28:50pm |
re: #866 Cato the Elder
Advice to wingnuts: If you get a rageboner that lasts longer than four months, go immediately to your nearest Obamacare free socialist health clinic. You could be permanently damaging your equipment.
Advice to moonbats: If you get a rageboner that lasts longer than four months do nothing, and watch your little head explode.
| 888 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:29:35pm |
re: #886 Spare O’Lake
Just don’t go into any convulsions.
In my defense, I’m in electrical engineering. Convolution is our solution to many problems.
| 889 |
Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:30:26pm |
re: #888 McSpiff
In my defense, I’m in electrical engineering. Convolution is our solution to many problems.
I thought it was just whacking it with a sledge hammer…
| 890 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:30:38pm |
re: #888 McSpiff
In my defense, I’m in electrical engineering. Convolution is our solution to many problems.
That comes as a jolt.
| 891 |
Kruk Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:30:43pm |
re: #877 webevintage
Vitter from the article:
“David Vitter, the Republican Senator for Louisiana, said the FDA decision amounted to rationing health care.“I shudder at the thought of a government panel assigning a value to a day of a person’s life,” he said. “It is sickening to think that care would be withheld from a patient simply because their life is not deemed valuable enough. “
If the drug does not work why would we want anyone to waste money on it? If it does not work, it does not extend the lives of women with breast cancer (2 studies have found) no one should even take it. They might as well take sugar pills.
God I hate Vitter.
He is the worst kind of bastard.
The worst part of it is that the FDA’s accelerated approval programme (which allows potentially life-saving drugs to be approved quickly even when survival data isn’t yet available, based on a surrogate endpoint such as blood flow to tumours in this case) depends on the FDA being able to go back and revisit that decision when the actual survival data comes through later. If politicians make it impossible to do that, then the likely result will mean the approval is held up until there is survival data. That only holds up access for patients who may not have the the time to wait. (It’s near impossible to get insurers to pay for ‘experimental therapies’, which is any treatment that doesn’t have FDA approval.)
892 |
Eclectic Infidel Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:31:25pm |
Has anyone read this article yet:
Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero community center ?
| 893 |
Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:31:58pm |
I’m so confused.
I thought insurance companies already had Death Panels™???
| 894 |
Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:34:07pm |
re: #892 eclectic infidel
Headline - Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero community center
Sub Headline - Insiders say Muslim spiritual leaders behind the controversial initiative are considering giving up on the former World Trade Center location, in a gesture of appeasement.
| 895 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:34:53pm |
re: #889 Varek Raith
I thought it was just whacking it with a sledge hammer…
In our power lab, we deal with some relatively high voltages. It has the usual safety equipment, fire extinguisher, first aid kit, etc. But the former tech, a former Military Policemen and Fire fighter also had his special safety equipment there. The “Emergency 2x4”. If he got “stuck” to a high voltage line, and we didn’t know how to turn it off quick, we were to get him off it with the 2x4 and then do the first aid thing. Totally against protocol, but he didn’t trust us to know all the breakers and switches well enough.
| 896 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:35:52pm |
re: #892 eclectic infidel
Has anyone read this article yet:
Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero community center ?
Interesting find. 49 hour rule.
| 897 |
Eclectic Infidel Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:36:18pm |
re: #894 Varek Raith
Headline - Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero community center
Sub Headline - Insiders say Muslim spiritual leaders behind the controversial initiative are considering giving up on the former World Trade Center location, in a gesture of appeasement.
When all is said and done, I hope the only thing the developers consider is when to actually begin construction at Park51.
I don’t want Pamela Geller and her ilk to win.
| 898 |
Kruk Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:36:19pm |
re: #893 Varek Raith
I’m so confused.
I thought insurance companies already had Death Panels™???
Heh. The stupid part is that countries with “socialised healthcare” like the UK, NZ and Australia manage to seperate drug regulation and reimbursement without any problems. It’s no different from seperating the police and the courts, for example.
| 899 |
Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:36:26pm |
| 900 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:36:42pm |
re: #892 eclectic infidel
Has anyone read this article yet:
Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero community center ?
First I’ve seen it, but God knows, if I were behind this project, I might be getting to that point by now.
901 |
tnguitarist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:37:01pm |
Whew. Did somebody leave the heater on and paint the walls a pissed-off color?
For giggles…
| 902 |
Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:37:40pm |
re: #899 Racer X
For the love of ZOD, lock Lucas in his house before he destroys whats left of Star Wars!
| 903 |
Ojoe Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:39:18pm |
re: #892 eclectic infidel
Well shifting it some number of blocks would make some practical sense at this point. In fact, that might take the wind out of some people’s sails. Maybe it would be quieter in the media. It just might be a good idea …
| 904 |
webevintage Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:39:32pm |
re: #882 Cato the Elder
OK, need some Lizard input:
Ken Follett’s “Pillars of the Earth” is now available for instant gratification on Netflix.
I read the book with great pleasure years and years ago.
Anyone seen it yet?
It’s either watch a movie or do housework.
We watched the first 2 episodes…enjoyed it.
Ian McShane pretty much is all I need to know and I’ll watch.
They need to bring back Deadwood.
| 905 |
Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:40:20pm |
Amazing. Just fucking amazing.
Even in a thread that features at the very top a statement from the developers of Park51 DENOUNCING HAMAS, we have one person after another showing up claiming that they WON’T DENOUNCE HAMAS.
Is this thing on?
| 906 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:40:26pm |
re: #903 Ojoe
Well shifting it some number of blocks would make some practical sense at this point. In fact, that might take the wind out of some people’s sails. Maybe it would be quieter in the media. It just might be a good idea …
I’m just wondering about the logistics. So they move another, say, four blocks. Another six blocks. A mile.
Is this going to be far enough for the people having such a lot of fun whipping up the fury? Really?
| 907 |
Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:40:29pm |
re: #903 Ojoe
Well shifting it some number of blocks would make some practical sense at this point. In fact, that might take the wind out of some people’s sails. Maybe it would be quieter in the media. It just might be a good idea …
I disagree.
Moving it would only encourage the bigots.
| 908 |
webevintage Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:40:41pm |
re: #899 Racer X
dailymail.co.uk>dailymail.co.uk>Star Wars creator George Lucas poses with Jedi Mickey and Princess Leia-Minnie as Disney World feels the force
That makes me sad all over my computer screen…
| 909 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:41:01pm |
re: #902 Varek Raith
For the love of ZOD, lock Lucas in his house before he destroys whats left of Star Wars!
Can’t you just Force GAZE him into ash and be done with it?
| 910 |
Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:41:15pm |
| 911 |
HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:41:27pm |
re: #906 SanFranciscoZionist
I’m just wondering about the logistics. So they move another, say, four blocks. Another six blocks. A mile.
Is this going to be far enough for the people having such a lot of fun whipping up the fury? Really?
Sadly, I don’t think any distance will be far enough for some. Given that you’ve seen nationwide freakouts at mosques anywhere as the Daily Show showed last week.
| 912 |
Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:41:43pm |
re: #905 Charles
Amazing. Just fucking amazing.
Even in a thread that features at the very top a statement from the developers of Park51 DENOUNCING HAMAS, we have one person after another showing up claiming that they WON’T DENOUNCE HAMAS.
Is this thing on?
You’re expecting too much.
| 913 |
Spare O'Lake Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:42:02pm |
re: #900 SanFranciscoZionist
First I’ve seen it, but God knows, if I were behind this project, I might be getting to that point by now.
It would probably be a win-win for American Muslims and the wider community.
Goodnight all.
| 914 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:42:22pm |
re: #905 Charles
Amazing. Just fucking amazing.
Even in a thread that features at the very top a statement from the developers of Park51 DENOUNCING HAMAS, we have one person after another showing up claiming that they WON’T DENOUNCE HAMAS.
Is this thing on?
Technically speaking, and I think this is the distinction being so happily seized on, they’re not denouncing Hamas. They’re merely stating that Hamas does not speak for them.
(That said, that is a nice little swipe there, when they say their mission is one of peace, understanding, tolerance and faith, which makes it fairly clear what they think of Hamas.
| 915 |
Kragar Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:42:36pm |
re: #902 Varek Raith
For the love of ZOD, lock Lucas in his house before he destroys whats left of Star Wars!
You hear about the new restored scenes for ROTJ? Now with 50% more incest.
| 916 |
webevintage Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:42:54pm |
Mr. Pancakes…you should know that I have started calling the stray kitty I feed and who lies under my house Mr. Pancakes.
He seems to like it.
| 917 |
Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:42:56pm |
re: #913 Spare O’Lake
It would probably be a win-win for American Muslims and the wider community.
Goodnight all.
No, it won’t.
What about all the other protests around the country over the building of Mosques?
| 918 |
goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:42:57pm |
re: #892 eclectic infidel
Has anyone read this article yet:
Muslim leaders to abandon plans for Ground Zero community center ?
| 919 |
Ojoe Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:43:24pm |
re: #907 Varek Raith
Probably the hard core bigots would not be convinced. But a lot of other people who are now doubtful, and are listening to the bigots, would stop listening to them & maybe it would be a good move.
| 920 |
Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:43:31pm |
| 921 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:44:00pm |
re: #913 Spare O’Lake
It would probably be a win-win for American Muslims and the wider community.
Goodnight all.
Bullshit. Everyone but fucking Hamas loses if we fold on this project.
Night.
| 922 |
Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:44:19pm |
re: #919 Ojoe
Probably the hard core bigots would not be convinced. But a lot of other people who are now doubtful, and are listening to the bigots, would stop listening to them & maybe it would be a good move.
The cynic in me doubts that very much.
Ah, well.
| 923 |
mich-again Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:44:54pm |
The Constitution is a cafeteria. You fill up your plate with the stuff you like and skip what you don’t. /
| 924 |
Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:45:06pm |
re: #916 webevintage
Mr. Pancakes…you should know that I have started calling the stray kitty I feed and who lies under my house Mr. Pancakes.
He seems to like it.
That’s cool…… You’ll have to find him a “Mrs Butterworth”.
| 926 |
Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:46:01pm |
| 927 |
Gus Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:46:05pm |
So every Muslim leader must first have to denounce Hamas or any other terrorist group before one can feel comfortable with their presence? For some reason it sound a lot like the “how often do you beat your wife” question.
| 928 |
Ojoe Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:46:19pm |
re: #923 mich-again
The Constitution says “no titles of nobility” in the USA, I like that one a lot.
| 929 |
abolitionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:46:46pm |
re: #755 Dark_Falcon
The reason is simple: He’s trying to straddle the fence. To most Arabs (and many other Muslims) Hamas is not a terrorist organization because it is fighting Israel, a nation they hate with passionate intensity. For Rauf to condemn Hamas would damn him in the eyes of those who see is Israel as evil, while to praise Hamas would be to damn himself in the eyes of most Americans. So he hems and haws and avoids taking a position.
Imam Raul is one of about 6 panelists on this forum from Jan 2006,
Davos Annual Meeting 2006 - Islam’s Challenge to Eradicate Extremism
His address begins at about 11:00. Among other things, he says call for the boycott of Isreal “distressed a lot of our attendees here”. He says also that “if we are going to achieve a reconciliation between the West and the Islamic world, we have to restrain ourselves from using condemnatory language, because the language of confrontation/condemnation doesn’t go that far.”
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:47:26pm |
re: #927 Gus 802
So every Muslim leader must first have to denounce Hamas or any other terrorist group before one can feel comfortable with their presence? For some reason it sound a lot like the “how often do you beat your wife” question.
I’m so going to the Church down the street and ask them to denounce all the obscure and well known Christian terrorists groups I can think of.
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EdDantes Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:47:56pm |
I haven’t had time to read the entire thread, but I agree that the Muslims have a right to build on that site. I wish that President Obama had added that it might (or might not) be the thing to do. In any case, the constitution is on their side.
It is nice that Hamas has no influence on their decision.
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Gus Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:49:08pm |
re: #930 Varek Raith
I’m so going to the Church down the street and ask them to denounce all the obscure and well known Christian terrorists groups I can think of.
///
Bring a camera.
I’m sure we can come up with many other equivalent scenarios. Let’s see. The Tea Party comes to mind. You think Michale Steele should be asked to denounce Andrew Bretibart’s race baiting?
| 933 |
webevintage Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:50:34pm |
re: #924 Mr Pancakes
That’s cool… You’ll have to find him a “Mrs Butterworth”.
Here he is:
littlegreenfootballs.com
He was left behind when some douchbags up the street moved, but until they have the “cut off the balls” clinic he can’t come into the house. So he hangs out under the house and pisses off the other cats and eats on the porch. He was always an outdoor kitty so I’m not sure he will even like being in the house much.
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Gus Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:51:21pm |
re: #932 Gus 802
Bring a camera.
I’m sure we can come up with many other equivalent scenarios. Let’s see. The Tea Party comes to mind. You think Michale Steele should be asked to denounce Andrew Bretibart’s race baiting?
Note. I’m not comparing Andrew Bretibart’s race baiting to Hamas.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:51:34pm |
re: #933 webevintage
Here he is:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]He was left behind when some douchbags up the street moved, but until they have the “cut off the balls” clinic he can’t come into the house. So he hangs out under the house and pisses off the other cats and eats on the porch. He was always an outdoor kitty so I’m not sure he will even like being in the house much.
Heh.
That first pic.
GET THAT DAMN THING OUT OF MY FACE, HOOMAN!
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:52:29pm |
re: #933 webevintage
Here he is:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]He was left behind when some douchbags up the street moved, but until they have the “cut off the balls” clinic he can’t come into the house. So he hangs out under the house and pisses off the other cats and eats on the porch. He was always an outdoor kitty so I’m not sure he will even like being in the house much.
Great……. he looks healty!
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sagehen Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:53:47pm |
re: #851 Spare O’Lake
WTF does the LRA have to do with the aftermath of 9-11 and the fact that all the terrorists just happened to be Muslims who killed in the name of Islam?
If Christian extremists had killed several thousand Muslims and then a Church was proposed to be built around the corner from the slaughter, wouldn’t that be seen by many as giving the middle digit to the Muslim community?
This argument would carry a lot more weight if the people who oppose this project on the basis of location weren’t also flipping out about Murphreesboro TN, Sheboygan WI and Temecula CA.
And guy from the American Family Association says there should be no more mosques at all in the United States. Any of the 50 states. Ever.
But sure, it’s just all about protecting the neighborhood that actually wants the thing built.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:53:52pm |
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Stanley Sea Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:54:41pm |
re: #913 Spare O’Lake
It would probably be a win-win for American Muslims and the wider community.
Goodnight all.
Says the Canadian, so concerned about us.
Sorry, I’ve had enough of the foreigners telling us what to do. Huh??
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:55:07pm |
re: #940 Stanley Sea
Says the Canadian, so concerned about us.
Sorry, I’ve had enough of the foreigners telling us what to do. Huh??
Eh?
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:55:31pm |
re: #940 Stanley Sea
Says the Canadian, so concerned about us.
Sorry, I’ve had enough of the foreigners telling us what to do. Huh??
Cough cough. Well, this is awkward.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:56:30pm |
re: #933 webevintage
Here he is:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]He was left behind when some douchbags up the street moved, but until they have the “cut off the balls” clinic he can’t come into the house. So he hangs out under the house and pisses off the other cats and eats on the porch. He was always an outdoor kitty so I’m not sure he will even like being in the house much.
No Mrs Butterworth until he gets his balls cut off.
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palomino Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:57:39pm |
re: #917 Varek Raith
No, it won’t.
What about all the other protests around the country over the building of Mosques?
Precisely, the mosques facing opposition in TX, TN, CT and CA are hardly in the shadow of Ground Zero. So a few more blocks, even miles, away in NYC is unlikely to make much difference.
On Cordoba, the Gellers, Gingriches and Palins will declare victory in this battle, and then move on to other ways of demonizing all of Islam.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:58:03pm |
re: #942 McSpiff
Cough cough. Well, this is awkward.
You ain’t been trying to subvert the Constitution for weeks. So you can stay.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:58:34pm |
re: #945 SanFranciscoZionist
You ain’t been trying to subvert the Constitution for weeks. So you can stay.
Not that Spare can’t stay.
I mean…
DAMMNIT, GIVE ME AN EDIT FUNCTION, WOULDJA?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:58:57pm |
re: #944 palomino
Precisely, the mosques facing opposition in TX, TN, CT and CA are hardly in the shadow of Ground Zero. So a few more blocks, even miles, away in NYC is unlikely to make much difference.
On Cordoba, the Gellers, Gingriches and Palins will declare victory in this battle, and then move on to other ways of demonizing all of Islam.
Quite Concur.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:59:12pm |
re: #931 EdDantes
It is nice that Hamas has no influence on their decision.
Hamas was never going to have any influence on their decision. The group building Park51 is Sufi, which places them in both ideological and theological opposition to fanatical groups like Hamas and Al Qaeda.
All of the hysteria over Hamas has been because people are acting like all Muslims have some sort of weird hive mind. That couldn’t be further from the truth.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:59:24pm |
re: #929 abolitionist
Imam Raul is one of about 6 panelists on this forum from Jan 2006,
Davos Annual Meeting 2006 - Islam’s Challenge to Eradicate Extremism
His address begins at about 11:00. Among other things, he says call for the boycott of Isreal “distressed a lot of our attendees here”. He says also that “if we are going to achieve a reconciliation between the West and the Islamic world, we have to restrain ourselves from using condemnatory language, because the language of confrontation/condemnation doesn’t go that far.”
Fantastic find. Thank you.
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 8:59:50pm |
re: #946 SanFranciscoZionist
Not that Spare can’t stay.
I mean…
DAMMNIT, GIVE ME AN EDIT FUNCTION, WOULDJA?
*blinks* I do declare, I believe this is the first ah’ve seen SFZ scream in all caps. *swoons*
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:00:04pm |
re: #948 Lidane
Hamas was never going to have any influence on their decision. The group building Park51 is Sufi, which places them in both ideological and theological opposition to fanatical groups like Hamas and Al Qaeda.
All of the hysteria over Hamas has been because people are acting like all Muslims have some sort of weird hive mind. That couldn’t be further from the truth.
re: #394 Varek Raith
WE ARE THE BORG.
YOU WILL BE DHIMIFIED.
ALL YOUR ZONING LOTS WILL BE ADAPTED TO SERVICE US.
GOD IS GREAT.
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b_sharp Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:00:06pm |
re: #940 Stanley Sea
Says the Canadian, so concerned about us.
Sorry, I’ve had enough of the foreigners telling us what to do. Huh??
The problem is SS, we have an interest in what happens in the US because it will have an affect on us. We are each other’s biggest trading partners, we share common interests and our cultures are as close as two can be. The memes that run through the US always end up running through Canada as well.
As much as we would like to deny it, the US is the biggest influence on Canada.
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webevintage Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:01:15pm |
re: #943 Mr Pancakes
No Mrs Butterworth until he gets his balls cut off.
Indeed.
Hopefully in a couple of weeks.
The vet is like $120, but the clinic is $30 plus $5 for a rabies shot. But they get filled fast in the slots for male cats which they only have a few of since the priority is on getting the females spayed. We are on the waiting list for the next one.
I guess I’ve adopted another cat…but I could not just let him wander around meowing for food without breaking down and feeding him.
Night guys.
Tivo’d a Doctor Who…Girl in the Fireplace (i like this one a lot) so I’m off to watch and then to bed.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:01:29pm |
re: #905 Charles
Amazing. Just fucking amazing.
Even in a thread that features at the very top a statement from the developers of Park51 DENOUNCING HAMAS, we have one person after another showing up claiming that they WON’T DENOUNCE HAMAS.
Is this thing on?
In point of fact, they didn’t denounce Hamas.
They said, “Hamas does not and will not speak for Park51.”
That is not a denunciation.
Too fine a point? Maybe. But I prefer my denunciations to include the words “we denounce” or “we repudiate” or “we reject” or something along those lines.
It’s a good statement, but not repudiation.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:01:38pm |
re: #952 b_sharp
The problem is SS, we have an interest in what happens in the US because it will have an affect on us. We are each other’s biggest trading partners, we share common interests and our cultures are as close as two can be. The memes that run through the US always end up running through Canada as well.
As much as we would like to deny it, the US is the biggest influence on Canada.
Meanwhile, if aliens invaded Ottawa, the US press would report it on page four of the entertainment section.
//We aren’t the world’s most aware neighbor.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:02:42pm |
re: #955 SanFranciscoZionist
Meanwhile, if aliens invaded Ottawa, the US press would report it on page four of the entertainment section.
//We aren’t the world’s most aware neighbor.
*Note to self, begin the subjugation of the Earth in Canada*
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:03:12pm |
re: #928 Ojoe
The Constitution says “no titles of nobility” in the USA, I like that one a lot.
Tell that to all the political dynasts: Bushes, Clintons, Kennedys, et al.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:03:23pm |
re: #953 webevintage
Indeed.
Hopefully in a couple of weeks.
The vet is like $120, but the clinic is $30 plus $5 for a rabies shot.
It’s kinda freaky yet funny….. my neutered male still tries to mount the spayed female. I guess it’s part of the program.
959 |
Tiny alien kittens are watching you Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:03:28pm |
Official: Hamas does not and will not speak for Park51. Our mission is one of peace, understanding, tolerance and faith.
Sure, but only until the CIA can arrange a clever way to forment a coup in the leadership and invite Osama Bin Laden to take over as Imam. The second he shows up to lead a prayer they’ll bust him, finally we will have our man!
///
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:03:53pm |
re: #956 Varek Raith
*Note to self, begin the subjugation of the Earth in Canada*
Start with Quebec. Even the rest of Canada won’t care about that.
/
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:04:00pm |
re: #959 ausador
Sure, but only until the CIA can arrange a clever way to forment a coup in the leadership and invite Osama Bin Laden to take over as Imam. The second he shows up to lead a prayer they’ll bust him, finally we will have our man!
///
BRILLIANT!
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Lidane Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:04:09pm |
re: #954 Cato the Elder
Maybe they should just refudiate everything and make all the wingnuts happy. Only it won’t, since none of this has ever been about Hamas, or about the “hallowed ground” at Ground Zero. It’s about the fact that this is a Muslim project. Period.
| 963 |
sagehen Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:04:24pm |
re: #882 Cato the Elder
OK, need some Lizard input:
Ken Follett’s “Pillars of the Earth” is now available for instant gratification on Netflix.
I read the book with great pleasure years and years ago.
Anyone seen it yet?
It’s either watch a movie or do housework.
I haven’t seen the movie, no idea if it’s any good. But I’m sure it’s better than housework.
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mich-again Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:04:39pm |
re: #930 Varek Raith There is a point at which it is reasonable to ask if a person/group if they actually denounce another person/group expecting a yes or no answer, not an explanation. An example, during the war between Israel and Lebanon in 2006, the local news guy Devin Scillian flat-out asked John Dingell if he denounced Hezbollah. Dingell refused, instead adding in some incoherent mealy mouthed equivalencies between Israel and Hezbollah. That was telling. Now for this statement..
Hamas does not and will not speak for Park51. Our mission is one of peace, understanding, tolerance and faith.
That is a pretty clear renouncing of Hamas. The first three parts are exactly opposite of Hamas.
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:04:52pm |
re: #962 Lidane
Maybe they should just refudiate everything and make all the wingnuts happy. Only it won’t, since none of this has ever been about Hamas, or about the “hallowed ground” at Ground Zero. It’s about the fact that this is a Muslim project. Period.
We could all get along if they’d just accept Christ as their saviors.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:05:55pm |
re: #966 JasonA
We could all get along if they’d just accept Christ as their saviors.
No.
ALL HAIL ZOD!
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Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:05:57pm |
re: #954 Cato the Elder
People want them to say they have no connections to or sympathy for Hamas. This statement makes it very clear. Not only “Hamas does not” — “Hamas will not speak for us.”
Followed by a statement that their project stands for peace and tolerance — the opposite of Hamas.
That’s all the parsing I need to call it a denunciation. They said they have nothing to do with Hamas, and will never have anything to do with Hamas. Is that unclear?
Maybe they need to have it notarized?
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:05:59pm |
re: #882 Cato the Elder
OK, need some Lizard input:
Ken Follett’s “Pillars of the Earth” is now available for instant gratification on Netflix.
I read the book with great pleasure years and years ago.
Anyone seen it yet?
It’s either watch a movie or do housework.
I have it sitting on my DVR. I don’t care if it’s utter crap. I’ll watch anything with Ian McShane in it.
Yes, I even watched Kings.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:06:01pm |
re: #958 Mr Pancakes
It’s kinda freaky yet funny… my neutered male still tries to mount the spayed female. I guess it’s part of the program.
A few years ago, I ended up babysitting two whippets for several days, a female in heat, and a neutered male.
He would mount her, start to do his thing, and then stop and, I swear, look at me, as though he wanted reassurance that this was the correct thing to do.
Idiots, whippets are. Sweet, but really, really stupid. Then again, I was the one who couldn’t get it out of my head that she was having her period. I kept saying things like, “Ice cream, honey? Do you want a heating pad?”
| 971 |
b_sharp Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:06:35pm |
re: #960 JasonA
Start with Quebec. Even the rest of Canada won’t care about that.
/
Quebec? Is that part of Canada?
Oh yah, now I remember, it’s why our cereal boxes have English and French text.
(I don’t think that way, but many in the west do.)
| 972 |
Lidane Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:07:14pm |
re: #966 JasonA
We could all get along if they’d just accept Christ as their saviors.
Seriously. It’s like Geller and all those other bigots just want to fight The Crusades all over again.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:07:22pm |
Excuse me, but saying the Park51 statement is a “denunciation” is pure category confusion.
It can be interpreted that way, and I tend to interpret it that way; but there is wiggle room for later supporting Hamas as the legitimate government of Gaza, in case, say, Israel felt obliged to go back in there again.
Just sayin’.
| 974 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:07:42pm |
re: #955 SanFranciscoZionist
Meanwhile, if aliens invaded Ottawa, the US press would report it on page four of the entertainment section.
//We aren’t the world’s most aware neighbor.
Heh I was in DC during a fairly major canadian election once. Was almost to the point that I was going to head to the embassy to find out the result. Finally noticed it on a side column somewhere in USA today.
Also, re: Not subverting the constitution.
You haven’t seen my holiday snaps from Boston yet!
| 975 |
Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:07:47pm |
re: #970 SanFranciscoZionist
A few years ago, I ended up babysitting two whippets for several days, a female in heat, and a neutered male.
He would mount her, start to do his thing, and then stop and, I swear, look at me, as though he wanted reassurance that this was the correct thing to do.
Idiots, whippets are. Sweet, but really, really stupid. Then again, I was the one who couldn’t get it out of my head that she was having her period. I kept saying things like, “Ice cream, honey? Do you want a heating pad?”
Good one…….
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PT Barnum Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:07:53pm |
Sarah Palin: I can see Park 51 from Ground Zero if I set up multiple mirrors and do a video feed, so it’s on Ground Zero.
Teh Stoopid, it burns!
| 977 |
Vicious Babushka Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:08:03pm |
re: #965 Gus 802
Hamas had nothing to do with 9/11.
But they danced in the streets and passed out candy!1!1!
| 978 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:08:24pm |
re: #973 Cato the Elder
Is there any argument that Hamas isn’t the government in Gaza?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:08:41pm |
re: #965 Gus 802
Hamas had nothing to do with 9/11.
True, although I’m sure they would have done it if they’d thought of it. Or had the resources. Or didn’t think the US would take them out with one mighty backhand.
//sort of
| 980 |
Gus Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:08:53pm |
It’s damn Tweet for goodness sake. What do you expect an essay. Here’s what the Tweet said:
Official: Hamas does not and will not speak for Park51. Our mission is one of peace, understanding, tolerance and faith.
Partial interpretation:
Hamas’s mission is not one of peace.
Hamas’s mission is not one of understanding.
Hamas’s mission is not one of tolerance.
Hamas’s mission is not one of faith.
| 981 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:08:54pm |
re: #966 JasonA
We could all get along if they’d just accept Christ as their saviors.
Savior. Three persons, but only one God.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:09:04pm |
Saw the clip of Ed Rollins shown on the Daily Show of him saying that “this is the dumbest thing a president or presidential candidate has ever said since Dukakis said it was okay to burn the flag.” Really Ed. Seriously, do people like Rollins realize that free speech and religion don’t have to be popular to be legal.
| 983 |
PT Barnum Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:09:29pm |
re: #970 SanFranciscoZionist
Idiots, whippets are. Sweet, but really, really stupid. Then again, I was the one who couldn’t get it out of my head that she was having her period. I kept saying things like, “Ice cream, honey? Do you want a heating pad?”
Did someone say whippets?
| 984 |
Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:09:29pm |
re: #981 SanFranciscoZionist
Savior. Three persons, but only one God.
That confuses the hell out of me.
:)
| 985 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:09:46pm |
Does anyone else think they’ve picked Hamas since they know AQ is simply too stupid of a connection to imply?
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:10:54pm |
re: #968 Charles
People want them to say they have no connections to or sympathy for Hamas. This statement makes it very clear. Not only “Hamas does not” — “Hamas will not speak for us.”
Followed by a statement that their project stands for peace and tolerance — the opposite of Hamas.
That’s all the parsing I need to call it a denunciation. They said they have nothing to do with Hamas, and will never have anything to do with Hamas. Is that unclear?
Maybe they need to have it notarized?
By the same logic, Robert Spencer can say “Stormfront does not and will not speak for me.”
That doesn’t stop him from being in bed with Stormfront types and their ilk.
I’m merely trying to maintain some precision here.
| 988 |
Gus Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:11:39pm |
“Father O’Brien. We will consider approving the building of your church in this municipality but first we ask of you this. Will you renounce The Vatican’s policy on condoms in Africa that has led to the death of millions of Africans from AIDS?”
Hmmm.
| 989 |
Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:11:48pm |
Has any one demanded that the Pope denounce the Lord’s Resistance Army?
Has he?
Is he a sekrit supporter!?!?!
9_9
| 990 |
Lidane Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:11:56pm |
re: #985 McSpiff
Does anyone else think they’ve picked Hamas since they know AQ is simply too stupid of a connection to imply?
Well, that and they’re all too busy stupidly accusing President Obama of standing with the 9/11 hijackers.
| 991 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:12:00pm |
re: #972 Lidane
Seriously. It’s like Geller and all those other bigots just want to fight The Crusades all over again.
Well, last time we got roses, and courtly love, and Arabic numerals, and spices, and babies named Jordan, and the city of Constantinople.
Please note that by “we” I mean the Western world’s dominant culture.
As a Jew, “we” got the shit kicked out of us.
| 992 |
PT Barnum Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:12:00pm |
re: #987 Cato the Elder
By the same logic, Robert Spencer can say “Stormfront does not and will not speak for me.”
That doesn’t stop him from being in bed with Stormfront types and their ilk.
I’m merely trying to maintain some precision here.
That comes dangerously close to the guilt by association that many on the batshit right seem to delight in.
| 993 |
mich-again Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:12:01pm |
re: #965 Gus 802
Hamas had nothing to do with 9/11.
True Hamas was not part of the plot, but 9/11 conjures up images of Palestinian women celebrating and handing out candies to kids. And fair or not, I link Hamas or at least the Hamas ideology to those disgusting scenes from Gaza.
| 994 |
b_sharp Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:12:07pm |
re: #984 Varek Raith
That confuses the hell out of me.
:)
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is much easier to understand. And it makes me hungry.
| 995 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:12:51pm |
re: #965 Gus 802
Hamas had nothing to do with 9/11.
So? They celebrated 9/11 and they came from the same source as Al Qaeda’s number two man.
| 996 |
Gus Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:13:17pm |
re: #993 mich-again
True Hamas was not part of the plot, but 9/11 conjures up images of Palestinian women celebrating and handing out candies to kids. And fair or not, I link Hamas or at least the Hamas ideology to those disgusting scenes from Gaza.
Does that mean we get to quiz Russian Orthodox priests about what’s going on in Russia?
| 997 |
PT Barnum Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:13:18pm |
re: #994 b_sharp
The Flying Spaghetti Monster is much easier to understand. And it makes me hungry.
I prefer the church of the Deep Dish, as we take nearly everybody, although pineapple is an abomination.
| 998 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:13:40pm |
re: #983 PT Barnum
Did someone say whippets?
[Video]
THe gentleman who owns the whippets in question has, in fact, got a T-shirt that says, “Whippet Good”.
| 999 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:13:57pm |
re: #995 Dark_Falcon
I would say the problem is that they’re a terrorist group, more so than the stuff you listed.
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Gus Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:14:12pm |
re: #995 Dark_Falcon
So? They celebrated 9/11 and they came from the same source as Al Qaeda’s number two man.
Wow. So Imam Rauf has to denounce Hamas because they danced on the streets after 9/11? Pardon me but what the hell does Rauf have to do with Hamas?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:14:51pm |
re: #984 Varek Raith
That confuses the hell out of me.
:)
You are not alone.
The Irish sometimes called Christ ‘the salmon of three wells’. Which explains nothing at all, but is very lovely.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:15:00pm |
re: #992 PT Barnum
That comes dangerously close to the guilt by association that many on the batshit right seem to delight in.
Personally, I think guilt by association is an entirely valid category.
People are known by the company they keep.
In that regard, as far as I can tell, Spencer is far guiltier than Imam Rauf.
| 1003 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:15:01pm |
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:15:30pm |
re: #987 Cato the Elder
If you’re going to be precise, maybe the term “in bed” should be avoided. Are you suggesting Rauf shares a common ideology with Hamas, or that he has some direct connection to them?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:15:51pm |
re: #988 Gus 802
“Father O’Brien. We will consider approving the building of your church in this municipality but first we ask of you this. Will you renounce The Vatican’s policy on condoms in Africa that has led to the death of millions of Africans from AIDS?”
Hmmm.
yeah no kidding!
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:16:13pm |
re: #996 Gus 802
Does that mean we get to quiz Russian Orthodox priests about what’s going on in Russia?
Insofar as people like the Metropolitan of St. Petersburg are openly anti-Semitic, why, yes, it does.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:16:19pm |
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:17:01pm |
re: #1004 McSpiff
If you’re going to be precise, maybe the term “in bed” should be avoided. Are you suggesting Rauf shares a common ideology with Hamas, or that he has some direct connection to them?
Nothing of the kind. I am saying this was not a “denunciation”.
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Gus Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:17:06pm |
re: #1006 Cato the Elder
Insofar as people like the Metropolitan of St. Petersburg are openly anti-Semitic, why, yes, it does.
Well, something to consider then for the future.
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palomino Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:17:39pm |
re: #955 SanFranciscoZionist
Meanwhile, if aliens invaded Ottawa, the US press would report it on page four of the entertainment section.
//We aren’t the world’s most aware neighbor.
After the Teabag Revolution, Canada could be the largest blue state in the newly configured country. Right wing fantasy map.
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:17:50pm |
re: #989 Varek Raith
Has any one demanded that the Pope denounce the Lord’s Resistance Army?
Has he?
Is he a sekrit supporter!?!?!
9_9
Well, it only took the Holy See over 50 years to apologize for not denouncing the Nazi’s. Give them time.
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sagehen Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:17:57pm |
re: #930 Varek Raith
I’m so going to the Church down the street and ask them to denounce all the obscure and well known Christian terrorists groups I can think of.
///
Also, we’d like the Baptists, Pentacostals, Presbyterians, Anglicans, Methodists, Episcopalians, Lutherans, Seventh Day Adventists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Amish, Mormons and all nondenominational Evangelical Megachurches to denounce child abuse. It’s not enough that they say it once, or that their High Council or Elders or whatever they call it issue a statement.
Because Christians are a monolithic two billion people, and it’s just really really hard to tell them apart.
Also, in deference to the feelings of the victims and their families, there should be no churches within 1/2 mile of any elementary school, or along any route that any child might walk on their way to elementary school.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:18:05pm |
re: #968 Charles
Will you, Park 51, pinkie swear that you don’t like Hamas?
Will you double dog dare?
Honest Abe? HONEST ABE?!?!?!?!
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prairiefire Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:18:06pm |
| 1015 |
Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:18:11pm |
re: #1009 Gus 802
Well, something to consider then for the future.
Funny how they don’t like the demands placed on their religion, huh?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:18:18pm |
re: #996 Gus 802
Does that mean we get to quiz Russian Orthodox priests about what’s going on in Russia?
Actually, not the world’s worst comparison. “Father Igor, would you like to tell the microphone exactly what kind of an SOB is Vladimir Putin, a man known for having his political rivals poisoned in elaborate and scary ways? No? Can we assume you’re in favor of his policies then?”
Actually, Putin probably would have Father Igor killed, whereas I don’t think Hamas has the juice to bother Rauf.
| 1017 |
mich-again Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:18:54pm |
re: #996 Gus 802
Does that mean we get to quiz Russian Orthodox priests about what’s going on in Russia?
Not sure what your point is there.
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:18:59pm |
re: #1014 prairiefire
Have you seen him in “Lovejoy’ from the ’80s?
[Video]
Night, lizards.
Never heard of it. Thanks!
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:19:22pm |
re: #1008 Cato the Elder
Nothing of the kind. I am saying this was not a “denunciation”.
Apologies. And I agree. I think this was a clear separation of the two groups. Park51 should be judged on its own merits. That type of message is sufficient to me.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:19:37pm |
re: #1006 Cato the Elder
Insofar as people like the Metropolitan of St. Petersburg are openly anti-Semitic, why, yes, it does.
Sure, but we won’t put pressure on Father Igor over that.
| 1021 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:19:38pm |
re: #960 JasonA
Start with Quebec. Even the rest of Canada won’t care about that.
/
I think I like Quebec more than Canada does, and I haven’t even been there!
| 1022 |
Gus Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:20:00pm |
So. No we can revise the 1st Amendment.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. Wherein this right is subject to the governmental interrogation and satisfactory passing of a global ideological purity test therein of the religious leader practicing these rights.
| 1023 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:20:07pm |
re: #1021 WindUpBird
I think I like Quebec more than Canada does, and I haven’t even been there!
That’s why.
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Lidane Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:20:32pm |
re: #1011 JasonA
Well, it only took the Holy See over 50 years to apologize for not denouncing the Nazi’s. Give them time.
It also took them over 400 years to pull their heads out of their asses with respect to Galileo. There’s taking your time and there’s being a stubborn, contrary bastard.
| 1025 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:21:10pm |
re: #1020 SanFranciscoZionist
Sure, but we won’t put pressure on Father Igor over that.
Unless Father Igor starts circulating statements from Metropolitan of St. Petersburg.
Sorry if my hyper-logicity bothers people. I was raised wrong.
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:21:33pm |
re: #1024 Lidane
It also took them over 400 years to pull their heads out of their asses with respect to Galileo. There’s taking your time and there’s being a stubborn, contrary bastard.
Yeah. And we want to call out this bunch of Sufi Muslims. What a frigging joke.
| 1027 |
Gus Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:21:36pm |
re: #1022 Gus 802
So. Now we can revise…
PIMF
IOW. The 1st Amendment is only allowed if the speech is politically correct.
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b_sharp Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:22:13pm |
re: #997 PT Barnum
I prefer the church of the Deep Dish, as we take nearly everybody, although pineapple is an abomination.
I refuse to join any church that will not combine ham and pineapple. Unless I get paid.
| 1029 |
PT Barnum Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:22:52pm |
re: #1028 b_sharp
I refuse to join any church that will not combine ham and pineapple. Unless I get paid.
DIE HERETIC!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:23:17pm |
re: #1007 WindUpBird
Come on! You remember Voltron, right?
Yeah. I now think about how stupid the bad guys were. If you’ve got only a few heroes who names everyone knows, you don’t need so big superweapon to get rid of them. Just tail them and find out places where a couple of them frequent. Then have snipers set up shop nearby. Next time those two leave the place, BANG, BANG. Two heroes gone = No Voltron = planet is an easy walkover.
| 1031 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:24:19pm |
re: #1010 palomino
After the Teabag Revolution, Canada could be the largest blue state in the newly configured country. Right wing fantasy map.
That was actually a map made up by left-wingers after the 2004 election.
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Tiny alien kittens are watching you Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:24:42pm |
re: #986 PT Barnum
Big Daddy, Junior and the Spook!
“Praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost…Amen”
but he who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is subject to eternal condemnation
Not exactly sure what that means but perhaps I am damned, I’m quite sure at some point in my life I cursed at Jesus, his Daddy, and the Holy Spirit too. (Of course I used to be atheist for quite awhile).
It is the one “unforgivable sin, whatever it is, theologians have written entire books about it, unfortunately none of them seem to be able to agree on just what blasphemes the Holy Spirit either…guess I’ll find out when I show up at the pearly gates and find them locked. :(
/
| 1034 |
Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:25:23pm |
So, I guess Beck doesn’t hate the 911 victim’s families anymore?
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:26:21pm |
re: #1025 Cato the Elder
No it makes sense to me. Honestly I prefer this statement to a pure denouncement though. I suspect their may be some overlap in ideology between the two. A totally hypothetical example is that both support public healthcare (Hamas claims charity work remember).
If they had simply denounced everything and anything hamas states they support, their opponents can now saw “aha! you lied! you have this in common!”
With the statement made by park51, the support of public healthcare is now viewed within the context of their ideology, not Hamas’s. So now its just another plank in the platform of a group that supports charity. Not nearly as “incriminating”.
Again, hypothetical example but I think it shows perhaps why this angle was chosen.
| 1036 |
PT Barnum Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:26:24pm |
re: #1033 ausador
Blaspheming is calling God anything I don’t want you to. Proof once again that religion is more about defining what God isn’t than what he/she is.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:27:17pm |
re: #1034 JasonA
So, I guess Beck doesn’t hate the 911 victim’s families anymore?
[Link: mediamatters.org…]
Ha, he’s a prick. I’ve been meaning to ask but what’s up with Glenn’s emo glasses? I know he’s a cry baby but didn’t know he had gone full out emo.
| 1038 |
Tiny alien kittens are watching you Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:27:34pm |
re: #1034 JasonA
So, I guess Beck doesn’t hate the 911 victim’s families anymore?
[Link: mediamatters.org…]
Naw, he is too busy using them for cannon fodder for his latest cause of the moment.
| 1039 |
Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:27:59pm |
WTF?
I need Games for Windows Live to play Fallout 3?
Lamesauce.
| 1040 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:28:28pm |
re: #1023 McSpiff
That’s why.
Exhibit A why Quebec rocks:
VOIVOD. Greatest sci-fi prog metal band ever.
Youtube Video
Exhibit B: UNEXPECT
Exhibit C: Quebec beer is some of the best beer on earth. ON EARTH. en.wikipedia.org
| 1041 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:28:46pm |
re: #1035 McSpiff
PIMF: I’m too tired. I can see I used the wrong their/there at least once.
| 1042 |
Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:28:46pm |
re: #1039 Varek Raith
WTF?
I need Games for Windows Live to play Fallout 3?
Lamesauce.
Nah, you just need to have it on the PC. You don’t have to play it online, if that’s what you mean.
| 1043 |
goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:28:47pm |
re: #1006 Cato the Elder
Insofar as people like the Metropolitan of St. Petersburg are openly anti-Semitic, why, yes, it does.
I’m sure the average parish priest just loves hearing about the Pope’s lifting of the excommunication of the Society of Pius X and his time in the Nazi youth.
| 1044 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:28:58pm |
re: #1039 Varek Raith
WTF?
I need Games for Windows Live to play Fallout 3?
Lamesauce.
Isn’t that so DLC will work?
| 1045 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:29:45pm |
re: #1040 WindUpBird
St. Ambroise Oatmeal stout does a lot to redeem that province, I can’t lie.
| 1046 |
Eclectic Infidel Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:30:00pm |
re: #984 Varek Raith
That confuses the hell out of me.
:)
I interpret modern day Christianity as actually being neo-pagan. That is to say, there are 3 aspects of the one creator god. That’s just my personal take though.
| 1047 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:30:36pm |
re: #1045 McSpiff
St. Ambroise Oatmeal stout does a lot to redeem that province, I can’t lie.
We get Unibroue beers everywhere in Portland. Literally like grocery stores will have Maudite, Fin Du Monde, and Trois Pistoles on sale.
| 1048 |
Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:31:10pm |
re: #1044 WindUpBird
Isn’t that so DLC will work?
Oh!
Lame.
I hate having extra crap on my PC just to play a game.
Installing now…mumble…
| 1049 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:32:01pm |
re: #1047 WindUpBird
We get Unibroue beers everywhere in Portland. Literally like grocery stores will have Maudite, Fin Du Monde, and Trois Pistoles on sale.
O_o
| 1050 |
Gus Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:32:21pm |
Anyway. I’m worn out and it’s not because of politics and Park51. I need about 5 years of sleep. Good night.
| 1051 |
Four More Tears Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:32:47pm |
re: #1048 Varek Raith
Oh!
Lame.
I hate having extra crap on my PC just to play a game.
Installing now…mumble…
Actually, I’m more disappointed in you for just now getting to FO3, young man.
| 1052 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:33:18pm |
re: #1026 JasonA
Yeah. And we want to call out this bunch of Sufi Muslims. What a frigging joke.
They spin around in circles. Creeps people out.
OK, now I’m going to tell my Sufi story. I met this man at a horrific interfaith conference I attended as a young wee slip of a lass. It was in Germany, which wasn’t working out for me well, and it was, well, one of the weirder experiences I’ve ever had, but there was this Sufi imam there, from a mosque in, maybe, Cologne. This was his story:
He’d been born in Germany in 1930, and when the war ended, he was a fifteen-year-old kid who was left with a Hitler Youth uniform and a lot of dreams. He’d read a book about Islam, and gotten interested, so he stowed away on a ship going to Libya.
Once in Tripoli, he wandered around for a bit, and found some Beduin, several of whom spoke French. They fed him, and asked what he was doing, and he explained that he had come to Africa to learn about Islam. They told him if he wanted to learn about REAL Islam, he needed to go to the desert, and as it happened, they were headed that way…so he tagged along. And stayed. And got married.
Eventually, he started learning with a Sufi teacher in the city, so he and his wife moved back there. Per Bashir, Tripoli in the 50s was heaven on earth. Cafes, theaters, restaurants, perfect interfaith harmony…and he was a youth league soccer coach, coaching some kid named Ghaddafi.
Anyway, when the kid came to power, he kicked Bashir’s ass out of the country. Political misunderstanding. So he went back to Germany, and started a mosque.
Hilarious guy. Lots of presence.
| 1053 |
Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:33:42pm |
re: #1051 JasonA
Actually, I’m more disappointed in you for just now getting to FO3, young man.
Oh, I’ve had it for the PS3.
I just bought the GOTY edition for my shiny new PC.
:)
| 1054 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:34:42pm |
re: #1035 McSpiff
No it makes sense to me. Honestly I prefer this statement to a pure denouncement though. I suspect their may be some overlap in ideology between the two. A totally hypothetical example is that both support public healthcare (Hamas claims charity work remember).
If they had simply denounced everything and anything hamas states they support, their opponents can now saw “aha! you lied! you have this in common!”
With the statement made by park51, the support of public healthcare is now viewed within the context of their ideology, not Hamas’s. So now its just another plank in the platform of a group that supports charity. Not nearly as “incriminating”.
Again, hypothetical example but I think it shows perhaps why this angle was chosen.
Anyone who has read my posts over the last month or so knows two things: I am completely and utterly against the lies, propaganda, chicanery, and demagoguery inherent in the campaign to stop this mosque.
And I still reserve the right to question funding and unknown backers of the same mosque.
One of these things is not like the other.
The fact that the full-throated baying of the “anti-jihadist” hounds extends far beyond Manhattan to include any mosque being built anywhere in the United States tells me everything I need to know about the Poison Dwarf and his Harpy.
The fact that I don’t know with whom someone involved in the Manhattan mosque project may or may not be in bed, financially or otherwise, tells me merely that I don’t know that.
One is a frontal assault on the First Amendment; the other is a case for possible suspicion and clarification. That I do not necessarily believe that everything they say in English matches with what they say in Arabic does not mean I’m suddenly an anti-constitutionalist.
I hope that makes my position clear.
| 1055 |
b_sharp Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:34:44pm |
re: #1045 McSpiff
St. Ambroise Oatmeal stout does a lot to redeem that province, I can’t lie.
The only time I’ve been in Quebec was during Expo 67. The number of bridges in Montreal fascinated me. (I was 11)
| 1056 |
Solomon2 Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:35:33pm |
“Even in a thread that features at the very top a statement from the developers of Park51 DENOUNCING HAMAS, we have one person after another showing up claiming that they WON’T DENOUNCE HAMAS.”
Oh yes. Charles, If you think that is contradictory, you aren’t familiar with a lot of things about shameless extremists.
| 1057 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:36:18pm |
re: #1043 goddamnedfrank
I’m sure the average parish priest just loves hearing about the Pope’s lifting of the excommunication of the Society of Pius X and his time in the Nazi youth.
You should have left out the Nazi Youth bit. It’s a bullshit talking point.
| 1058 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:36:30pm |
re: #1047 WindUpBird
We get Unibroue beers everywhere in Portland. Literally like grocery stores will have Maudite, Fin Du Monde, and Trois Pistoles on sale.
Heh. You won’t find micro-brews on sale as much here in Chicago. But Treasure Island sometimes has some. I don’t drink beer, but I sometimes go there because they have an excellent specialty foods selection.
| 1059 |
goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:37:31pm |
re: #1057 Cato the Elder
You should have left out the Nazi Youth bit. It’s a bullshit talking point.
As is Rauf’s purported non-denunciation of Hamas.
| 1060 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:37:36pm |
re: #1049 McSpiff
O_o
Literally walking distance from my apartment. Portland loves Unibroue. I have a Fin Du Monde T-SHIRT. :D
| 1061 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:38:31pm |
re: #1058 Dark_Falcon
Heh. You won’t find micro-brews on sale as much here in Chicago. But Treasure Island sometimes has some. I don’t drink beer, but I sometimes go there because they have an excellent specialty foods selection.
Chicago I have heard is a fantastic foodie town, my father used to live there.
But yeah, beer here is like lobster in maine or pizza in new york. It’s EVERYTHING here.
| 1062 |
palomino Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:39:21pm |
re: #1031 Dark_Falcon
That was actually a map made up by left-wingers after the 2004 election.
I know, but now it seems more appropriate as a right wing fantasy of what America would look like after the civil war that tea partiers hope for.
| 1063 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:39:37pm |
re: #1056 Solomon2
Oh yes. Charles, If you think that is contradictory, you aren’t familiar with a lot of things about shameless extremists.
lol whassup sleeper
| 1065 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:40:26pm |
| 1066 |
Varek Raith Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:41:22pm |
| 1067 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:42:36pm |
re: #1061 WindUpBird
Chicago I have heard is a fantastic foodie town, my father used to live there.
But yeah, beer here is like lobster in maine or pizza in new york. It’s EVERYTHING here.
It is indeed a great town for food. Indian food, Thai, Chinese, German, Spanish and and any other type of cuisine you can imagine. And if you know where to look, you can find the ingredients to cook whatever you want, too.
| 1068 |
Racer X Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:42:52pm |
| 1069 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:43:05pm |
re: #1067 Dark_Falcon
It is indeed a great town for food. Indian food, Thai, Chinese, German, Spanish and and any other type of cuisine you can imagine. And if you know where to look, you can find the ingredients to cook whatever you want, too.
The NW has Thai covered :D Not so much with the spanish food though.
| 1070 |
WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:43:28pm |
| 1071 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:44:15pm |
re: #1054 Cato the Elder
Anyone who has read my posts over the last month or so knows two things: I am completely and utterly against the lies, propaganda, chicanery, and demagoguery inherent in the campaign to stop this mosque.
And I still reserve the right to question funding and unknown backers of the same mosque.
One of these things is not like the other.
The fact that the full-throated baying of the “anti-jihadist” hounds extends far beyond Manhattan to include any mosque being built anywhere in the United States tells me everything I need to know about the Poison Dwarf and his Harpy.
The fact that I don’t know with whom someone involved in the Manhattan mosque project may or may not be in bed, financially or otherwise, tells me merely that I don’t know that.
One is a frontal assault on the First Amendment; the other is a case for possible suspicion and clarification. That I do not necessarily believe that everything they say in English matches with what they say in Arabic does not mean I’m suddenly an anti-constitutionalist.
I hope that makes my position clear.
Perfectly clear. Your position also passes my “constitutional smell test”. You can replace ‘Park51’ with “Import/Export business” or really any other business with a foreign connection and what you said still seems reasonable. Of course we need to know about who’s backing the thing. I’d be the first one opposed if we found out it was being used to launder money for the Mexican cartels.
I’m 100% for due diligence on this project. But that’s because I’m for 100% due diligence on any $100 million project, and especially those with foreign backing.
Religion shouldn’t be the reason this project gets rejected, but it shouldn’t be accepted as a carte blanche for the developers either. Everything in moderation.
| 1072 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:44:48pm |
re: #978 McSpiff
Is there any argument that Hamas isn’t the government in Gaza?
They are the legitimate government of Gaza in approximately the same way the Nazis were the legitimate government of Germany.
| 1073 |
sagehen Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:44:54pm |
re: #1069 WindUpBird
The NW has Thai covered :D Not so much with the spanish food though.
An important thing to know about Spanish food — paella in Spanish means something totally different than what it means in Mexican.
| 1074 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:47:45pm |
re: #1056 Solomon2
And I read your blog. Check out an excerpt of a guest post this guy allowed onto his blog (from someone calling himself “Chintu”) He’s reading off his observations about Pakistan:
14. Islam is a barbaric religion. Teachings of islam spread intolerance.
15. The shadow of satanic religion of islam has covered the entire world. The world is truly standing on the brink of war against the evil of islam.
16. Muslims cannot be a part of civil society. They want to cut themselves from the mainstreams. That’s why they want to carve out a separate nation from every nation.
Sol, why do you allow that on your site?
| 1075 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:48:16pm |
re: #1072 Cato the Elder
They are the legitimate government of Gaza in approximately the same way the Nazis were the legitimate government of Germany.
I thought Hamas had a majority of seats? Or am I being pedantic when the larger point is “evil is never legitimate”.
| 1076 |
goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:48:48pm |
| 1077 |
Stanley Sea Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:48:58pm |
B Sharp and all other Canadians here.
I respect your opinions. Spare of the Lake’s opinions though, have really pissed me off. So when I call him out on his Canadian-ness, it’s because he never admits it and talks his hate under the guise of a Concerned American.
Pisses me off. He’s not concerned, he’s full of hate. And he’s not American.
Ah, I guess the best way to say it to my Canuck friends (I assume) nothing personal.
| 1078 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:49:50pm |
re: #1071 McSpiff
Heck, put synagogue in there, and I still wanna follow the money. Too easy to abuse the system otherwise.
| 1079 |
HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:50:14pm |
Spanish food sounds good. I tried a Spanish side dish one night when I was barhopping one night. Their beer is pretty good too.
| 1080 |
Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:55:11pm |
re: #1075 McSpiff
I thought Hamas had a majority of seats? Or am I being pedantic when the larger point is “evil is never legitimate”.
You might want to go back and read up on how they obtained that “majority”. The parallels to 1933 Germany are really quite striking.
| 1081 |
b_sharp Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:55:29pm |
re: #1077 Stanley Sea
B Sharp and all other Canadians here.
I respect your opinions. Spare of the Lake’s opinions though, have really pissed me off. So when I call him out on his Canadian-ness, it’s because he never admits it and talks his hate under the guise of a Concerned American.
Pisses me off. He’s not concerned, he’s full of hate. And he’s not American.
Ah, I guess the best way to say it to my Canuck friends (I assume) nothing personal.
No sweat SS. I can only take so much SOL before I feel like kicking ass too. Friend? Yup.
| 1082 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:57:20pm |
re: #1077 Stanley Sea
B Sharp and all other Canadians here.
I respect your opinions. Spare of the Lake’s opinions though, have really pissed me off. So when I call him out on his Canadian-ness, it’s because he never admits it and talks his hate under the guise of a Concerned American.
Pisses me off. He’s not concerned, he’s full of hate. And he’s not American.
Ah, I guess the best way to say it to my Canuck friends (I assume) nothing personal.
I’m embarrassed by him. He’s honestly and truly off the radar for Canadian politics. I think he assumes his type of vitriol is more mainstream in the US, which is why he posts as he does. He’d be laughed at north of the border. Of course he’s laughed at here(LGF) too.
I don’t want to misrepresent myself here but at the same time I don’t want to type “As a Canadian I think…” at the start of every post. I make no secret of my background and generally try not to make too many assumptions about the American Experience. I also think the Canuck view point can be a valuable tool when discussing things like health care.
I think SOL does misrepresent himself tho, and should rightfully be called on it.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:58:37pm |
re: #1080 Cato the Elder
You might want to go back and read up on how they obtained that “majority”. The parallels to 1933 Germany are really quite striking.
Any recommended sources? Admitting ignorance to anything more than the various wire services coverage of the hamas election.
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Stanley Sea Mon, Aug 16, 2010 9:58:50pm |
| 1087 |
Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:06:30pm |
re: #1086 eclectic infidel
Solomon2, class of 2004…again.
Yeah, but Walter and Targetpractice are Class of 2004. It’s the person, not when they registered,
| 1089 |
Eclectic Infidel Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:10:42pm |
re: #1087 Dark_Falcon
Yeah, but Walter and Targetpractice are Class of 2004. It’s the person, not when they registered,
Of course, of course. Just noting the pattern.
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ReamWorks SKG Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:10:52pm |
re: #1055 b_sharp
Hey! I was at Expo 67! I don’t remember seeing you.
| 1092 |
Eclectic Infidel Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:12:59pm |
re: #1091 b_sharp
If you think we’re cool now, wait for January, we’ll be positively cold.
Given that, what’s your favorite brand of long underwear? Provided you wear it.
| 1093 |
b_sharp Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:12:59pm |
re: #1090 reuven
Hey! I was at Expo 67! I don’t remember seeing you.
You turned right at the geodesic dome instead of left. I was the one eating the pizza.
| 1094 |
b_sharp Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:13:50pm |
re: #1092 eclectic infidel
Given that, what’s your favorite brand of long underwear? Provided you wear it.
Never wear long underwear. I usually run around naked.
| 1095 |
Eclectic Infidel Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:15:01pm |
re: #1093 b_sharp
You turned right at the geodesic dome instead of left. I was the one eating the pizza.
The pineapple and Canadian bacon pizza?
| 1097 |
Eclectic Infidel Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:45:35pm |
the Poison Dwarf and his Harpy.
Seems like something is missing from that picture; like a drink in her free hand. Just a passing thought.
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SpaceJesus Tue, Aug 17, 2010 4:24:09am |
re: #224 Spare O’Lake
das ist eine gute ubersetzung, aber ich vertstehe ganz klar die konnotation das du gemachst hast… ich bin kein nazi, und du kannst mich mal
| 1099 |
Sakublock Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:39:46am |
re: #133 webevintage
Yes it is a “victim card” and it has been used successfully. I guess you have nevere heard of CAIR?
| 1100 |
Sakublock Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:42:46am |
re: #154 Reginald Perrin
Hey Regi, I’m still a member and don’t have all day to read posts like yours. There are tons of things I agree with regarding Charles’s beliefs but not all. Its called free thinking, you should try it sometime. By the way the sign at the door does not say “The call everyone who hasn’t posted in a while a troll.”
| 1101 |
garhighway Tue, Aug 17, 2010 5:51:59am |
re: #187 Spare O’Lake
Good evening LGF.
So a non-denunciation on twitter is just peachy?
Saying that someone doesn’t speak for you means very little.
Give me a break.
I apologize for posting this late, but I was thinking about this overnight and am just getting to posting now.
For those that want to impose any sort of extra-legal requirements on the Park51 folks, I have the following questions:
1> Why Park51? What is it about Park 51 that causes you to believe that this requirement (financing disclosure, denunciation of Hamas, whatever) is appropriate?
2> Does this requirement extend to other proposed churches and/or community centers in a particular geographic area? If so, which ones, and in which area?
3> Does this requirement extend only to churches or community centers of a particular faith? If so, which ones and why?
4> Does this requirement extend only to churches and/or community centers sponsored by people of a particular ethnicity? If so, which ones and why?
5> Does this requirement only extend to churches and/or community centers that you believe are responsible for some notorious crime? If so, which crime or class of crimes?
6> And finally, what precise extra-legal requirements do you propose?
I ask these questions because I have had a hard time getting the logical connection between, for example, denouncing Hamas and building a church or community center. Please explain.
Again, my apologies for posting this on what might be a dead thread.
| 1102 |
jordash1212 Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:13:52am |
re: #1101 garhighway
Unfortunately your thoughtful post will be lost upon those who need it most because they can’t really comprehend logic. As someone said earlier in another thread: if these people who are against Park51 would use their cerebrum instead of their limbic system, then we wouldn’t be having this debate. On the other hand, there are plenty who will not accept Muslims as trustworthy and legitimate US citizens. In either case, logic usually fails to disrupt bigotry and or indecent emotions.
| 1103 |
Solomon2 Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:36:02am |
r: #1074 Drk_Flcn
nd rd yr blg. Chck t n xcrpt f gst pst ths gy llwd nt hs blg (frm smn cllng hmslf “Chnt”) H’s rdng ff hs bsrvtns bt Pkstn:
Sl, why d y llw tht n yr st?
T hghlght tms tht ppl r s frghtnd t fc tht thy’d rthr rs thm frm thr mnds thn vlt thm sqrly.
| 1104 |
oriana fan Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:23:31am |
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s fr th bggr ss, th hrs hs lft th brn nd th brn hs snc brnd dwn. rb/Mslm trrrsm s hr t sty. t hs bn ccptd fr s lng whn t ws jst Jws r thr rbs bng klld tht th wrld cn hrdly mstr ny ntrst n ppsng ts s s pltcl tl. rft ws rght…why g t th ngttng tbl whn y cn gt wht y wnt thrgh trrr?
| 1105 |
ynahmias Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:22:43am |
Chrls, flly xpct yr psts t b lgcl.
Th fct tht Prk51 sys tht Hms ds nt spk fr thm, dsn’t mn thy dnnc t. Thy cn stll gr wth ts ctns gnst srl cvlns whl prsng pc, lv, ndrstndng (nd dntns) n th ntd Stts.
Thy spprt pc (fr Mslms), wdws nd rphns (f scd bmbrs), ndrstndng (f Jhd), nd tlrnc (f slm n Chrstn cntrs).
| 1106 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:25:47am |
re: #1105 ynahmias
I’m absolutely sick and tired of you bigoted assholes. Go away. You’re not welcome to spread your hatred at my site.
| 1107 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:27:01am |
re: #1104 oriana fan
You too. Get out of here. Go post your rants somewhere else.
| 1108 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:28:14am |
re: #1103 Solomon2
Logic and reasoning obviously don’t work. So you’re out of here.
I’ve completely had it with bigots who won’t listen to reason.
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arielbenjamin Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:18:40am |
re: #187 Spare O’Lake
It is right to take the wingnuts to task.. and to do so it should not be necessary to ignore a plain fact. The “Hamas does not speak for us” quote very obviously falls short of a denunciation. Whatever else you might say about it, to represent this as a denunciation is misleading. The general hostility here towards the poster of comment #187 is not justified. Just as we demand objectivity on the part of anyone opposing the mosque, we should demand of ourselves to continue to judge remarks for their actual content.
Selecting the highly politicized locale near Ground Zero for their site, and ostensibly doing so for purposes of outreach, the holy men organizing this mosque should have absolutely no problem denouncing Hamas, Hizbullah, Islamic Jihad, Al-Qaeda, Abu-Sayyaf, MILF, the Taliban, et al. To a principled holy man who sees his mosque in religious (rather than political) lights, who is patriotic of the US, and who is thus deeply and viscerally embarrassed of terrorist activity conducted all over the world in Islam’s name, there should be no hesitation whatsoever to denounce Jihadism. Just as we should be skeptical of wingnuts who might make specious arguments against the mosque when in reality they’re xenophobic, equally there’s every reason to keep our thinking caps on when a mosque’s organizer is hesitant to denounce Jihadism.
| 1110 |
garhighway Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:20:54am |
re: #1109 arielbenjamin
Ariel:
You have clearly thought about this a lot. Please, then, favor us with your answers to my questions from post 1101.
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ArielBenjamin Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:30:30am |
re: #1110 garhighway
you pose good questions.. work intrudes at the moment but I’ll revisit this today, hopefully you’ll still be around..
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Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:07:48am |
re: #1109 arielbenjamin
Are you aware that author and former IDF soldier Jeffrey Goldberg knows the Imam personally, and has said that he’s an upstanding American citizen, with absolutely no sympathy for Hamas?
Do you care?
Or do you care about the fact that Imam Rauf has written literally dozens of articles denouncing jihad violence?
If you were interested in the actual facts of this issue, you could easily find all these articles yourself.
| 1113 |
ArielBenjamin Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:44:35am |
re: #1112 Charles
Thanks for responding, Charles! (My first personal response from you)
I regret I don’t yet know much about Jeffrey Goldberg, I was reacting to your characterization of that one particular quote as a “denunciation.” I still disagree with that characterization, but if this Rauf fellow is the principal holy man of Park 51, and if he’s anti-Jihadist, I’m delighted.
Yes, I do care—you’ve probably gotten a lot of noise from bigots opposing the mosque for the wrong reasons, so I don’t blame you for challenging my interest in the topic.. But yeah, I care a lot, and I hope you don’t let the nasty wingnut onslaught in any way inhibit your sensitivity to dishonesties that continue to persist on the PCist side, where Jihadism is simply whitewashed or ignored at all times, regardless of the issue. It should be possible to maintain a critical real-life assessment of Jihadism even while attacking the wingnuts; both really need it. Wingnuts are all bad, and also Jihadism is for real, and no amount of Robert Spencers or Pamelas changes that, no matter how much incoherent or emotion-driven material gets published.
I’d love to be looking up more material at the moment but I really should be working.. gonna post a reply to Garhighway momentarily.
| 1114 |
Charles Johnson Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:55:41am |
re: #1113 ArielBenjamin
Another direct quote from Imam Rauf: “I am a supporter of the state of Israel.”
| 1115 |
ArielBenjamin Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:55:51pm |
re: #1114 Charles
that would make him a unique Imam indeed; if true and if he repeats this sort of thing enough, his security staff had better be wary of whackos on both sides
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ArielBenjamin Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:57:58pm |
re: #1110 garhighway
Garhighway — sorry this runs so long, it had to run two comments, here’s 1 of 2— background for my answer to your questionnaire:
The US suffered a large scale Jihadist attack on civilians. The degree to which mainstream Islam promotes, fellow-travels with, or fails to oppose Jihadism is huge debate that will not be settled by this comment. There are millions of Muslims whose experience of Islam is only a spiritual one rather than also being a political one, who see no conflict between their religion and peaceful coexistence with nonbelievers, and who utterly reject the domination message that has characterized the history of Islamic expansion since its very beginnings in Arabia. Such Muslims are profoundly and unequivocally embarrassed by Jihadism, and are among its most frequently brutalized victims.
Other Muslims, however, embrace the domination message in any number of its aspects. For these believers, the extreme politicization of the Friday sermon, the treatment of their women as factories for sons, the infusion of homicidal zeal against Jews and homosexuals in the upbringing of their young, and the suppression of other religions at every opportunity is either part of their experience of Islam or at the very least raises no discomfort for them. It’s not necessary to demonize every individual Muslim to recognize this phenomenon. Whether it’s Egyptian police beating a Coptic priest for making improvements to his church, Indonesian clerics insisting that local Christians find another word for “god,” or Sudanese mobs ready to tear a schoolteacher apart over a teddy bear (and as we know this list could go on for quite a while), we’ve got to admit there are some truly unpleasant tendencies in play here covering vast expanses of territory and population. Mosques have figured into this story prominently. Again one need not hate or fear all mosques to see this point—but the fact is that they’ve taken over the holy sites of other religions, they’ve been used militarily in times of hostilities, and their holy men have fomented riots claiming civilian lives. It’s happened too often in too many places for it all to be a great coincidence, no matter how comforting or reassuring it would be for us to construe it as such. A truly moderate Muslim is not someone a Westerner has to reach out to, it’s someone who likely understands the evils of fanaticism better than any Westerner does in the first place.
So back from this background to Park 51, so near to the site of a colossal Jihadist attack (whether it’s one or two blocks away, it’s nearby)—if this mosque is indeed on a “mission of understanding,” if it categorically aligns itself against Jihadism, if it dedicates itself to spiritual activity while showing no tolerance for supremacist interpretations of Islam, and if it can somehow guarantee that this would continue to be the case after the tenure of the current Imam, then let it exist wherever it likes, and let’s hope for the establishment of more mosques just like it. The establishment of a mosque like that would be as hateful to Jihadists as a synagogue is; to place it near the site of the massacre would certainly not please any extremists.
If, however, those conditions are not met, there’s a tremendous risk here of insulting the memories of the victims. Extremist Muslims will see it as a monument to Jihadism, and point to it as proof of the success of their domination message. And I gotta say that if the organizers of the mosque—knowing full well the troubled history of supremacist mosques even if they themselves reject supremacist ideology—can’t see this risk, then I’d argue that it calls into question the level of “understanding” they’re really going to bring to the table.
Bottom line, though, if this place is thoroughly anti-Jihadist, put it anywhere you like, and best of luck. Let it do its part in proving the wingnuts to be unjustified.
continued..
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ArielBenjamin Tue, Aug 17, 2010 12:59:05pm |
re: #1110 garhighway
continued from the last post, here’s 2 of 2:
The questions are phrased to address “requirements.” I wouldn’t say I’d want requirements here.. what I’d hope for here is a voluntary stand-down on the part of the organizers in an exaggerated sense of deference to the massacre victims. So I don’t advocate extralegal requirements per se, and would have no idea how to author or implement those, but in the spirit of answering you point by point:
1) The proximity of the proposed site to the site of the massacre
2) No
3) Extends to mosques only, since Islamic supremacism was responsible for the massacre in this case
4) No
5) The collective responsibility concept in the question phrasing is too vague to nail down; the proximate responsibility for 9/11 lies with the Jihadist operatives who executed it. The rest of the responsibility fans out to a swath of population you could debate over endlessly.
6) not looking for requirements. In an ideal world the best case scenario would be for the mosque organizers, esp. such understanding and sensitive ones, to voluntarily retreat at least a few city blocks in respect of feelings running high, and spend a while proving the bigots decisively wrong.
| 1118 |
garhighway Tue, Aug 17, 2010 1:35:56pm |
re: #1116 ArielBenjamin
So because some particular Muslims did a bad thing, the entire religion is suspect to the point that we should toss the First Amendment overboard?
Fail.
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garhighway Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:05:38pm |
re: #1117 ArielBenjamin
My responses noted below:
c in the spirit of answering you point by point:
1) The proximity of the proposed site to the site of the massacre So what is magic about two blocks? Why not ten blocks, or one hundred?
2) No Why not? Why do Muslims get this special treatment? Doesn’t every major religion have some practitioners that have done some foul deeds at some point in their history?
3) Extends to mosques only, since Islamic supremacism was responsible for the massacre in this case See above.
4) No Good.
5) The collective responsibility concept in the question phrasing is too vague to nail down; the proximate responsibility for 9/11 lies with the Jihadist operatives who executed it. The rest of the responsibility fans out to a swath of population you could debate over endlessly. I would like to hear more about how the responsibility for that criminal act “fans out” to millions upon millions of people that had nothing to do with it beyond being of the same religion as the perps. By that standard, does responsibility for the Holocaust “fan out” to all Christians? Does responsibility for the thousands of cases of child molestation committed by various priests over the last 50 years “fan out” to all Catholics? How is this different? What is your test for the type of crime that creates some sort of collective responsibility?
6) not looking for requirements. In an ideal world the best case scenario would be for the mosque organizers, esp. such understanding and sensitive ones, to voluntarily retreat at least a few city blocks in respect of feelings running high, and spend a while proving the bigots decisively wrong. A few blocks? You really think that keeps the wolves at bay? You don’t see the slippery slope here? You do know that just in the last few weeks there have been demonstrations to prevent the opening of mosques in California and Tennessee? Could it be that those demonstrations spring from the same vein of anti-Muslim sentiment that informs most of the Park 51 critics? Could it be that there is no “few blocks” distance that would please the vast majority of those that raise their voices against this project?
I’m sorry, but I see no compelling reason for us to throw overboard one of the things that makes American great. Forcing the Park51 organizers to relocate the project would be a propaganda victory for the Islamic radicals (“See! America hates Islam!”) and a betrayal of our finest qualities and traditions.
It saddens me that so many have taken the bait of the bigots and opportunists. I thought that love of our Constitution was more deeply ingrained than this.
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ArielBenjamin Tue, Aug 17, 2010 2:24:44pm |
re: #1119 garhighway
You seem to mingle your response to me with your response to a whole lot of other unrelated material that’s presumably been flying around.. For example, you didn’t see anything in my remarks about coercing the mosque organizers. If you’re outraged over the bigotry of the wingnuts, well, then you’re right, and you should go ahead and outrage for a while, if you like. Might be necessary to calm down later and thumb through a few history books to comprehend what I was trying to get across.
Without acknowledging the prevalence of extremism in a large number of mosques, there is no way to be a friend to moderate Muslims. The latter will always be dominated and silenced if we simply ignore the former. It’s a sad state of affairs, and should not be exploited to promote xenophobia against the blameless, but neither is it right to simply ignore it. And it ought to be within the ideational capacity of LGF to focus on multiple problems at once, all along the political spectrum.
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