George W. Bush: No Longer the Decider

I must admit, I was holding out hope that George W. Bush would speak out in favor of freedom of religion and against the tide of bigotry. You know, like he used to? After all, his administration actually sent Imam Feisal Rauf overseas to promote America in Islamic countries, so Bush would have to back him now, right?

No dice.

“President Bush has no comment.”

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847 comments

1 ShaunP  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:26:33pm
2 thatthatisis  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:30:01pm

I have to admit I've been hoping George W. Bush would step forward and remind his country we're not at war with Muslims Americans.

Ah, President Bush. His party is declaring war on their fellow citizens, and once again he gets out of the fray and pull a National Guard no-show position. Good job, W.

3 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:30:04pm

I don't know that this response is not the wisest. anything he would say would be picked up and skewed one way or another. He is being consistent in staying out of the debates - all of them. As an ex-president should.

By the way, he and Laura were on TV the other night with the new TX Rangers owners. He looked really old, Laura looked great.

4 waltersafety  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:31:17pm

It has come to the point where a former president can't even contradict the groupthink going on in his party.

Sad.

5 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:32:02pm

re: #3 The Shadow Do

I don't know that this response is not the wisest. anything he would say would be picked up and skewed one way or another. He is being consistent in staying out of the debates - all of them. As an ex-president should.

By the way, he and Laura were on TV the other night with the new TX Rangers owners. He looked really old, Laura looked great.

Yes.

6 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:32:13pm

George Bush keeping his mouth shut is just as bigoted as Harry Reid making a public statement. Both join the same camp.

7 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:32:19pm

I think he was right not to say anything.

It isn't as if his opinions on Islam are unknown or have been left unsaid. Anything he might say now will only inflame the situation and cause even more division. Further, by endorsing the project, there are those who might use that to fan an imaginary disagreement on the matter between him and the President as well as the Democrats that have 'folded'.

There is a reason he is being ignored by the right and the wingnuts on the park51 project. Where he stands on Islam, moderate Muslims and religious freedoms are well known. It is not hard to divine where he stands on the subject..

8 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:32:25pm

I admit to having the the fantasy that he would stand with President Obama in a very public way. You know, right trumps all other things.

But I guess there's just too much negative weight to the issue for some, and I'm a dreamer.

9 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:33:17pm

It might have been nice for him to reiterate the point. But the man has so little credibility, it would have risked more harm than good. I happen to be e firm believer that former Presidents stay out of the fray. The only counsel he should offer would be in private.

10 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:34:17pm

Speaking of Dubya, and the miserable wars he got us involved in, I just ran across an article titled:

In Place of Mental Health Care, Are Some Troops Being Evangelized?

Yesterday, the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) and Veterans for Common Sense sent a startling letter to Secretary of Defense Robert Gates. It alleged that the military has sent some psychological casualties to chaplains for counseling, rather than to mental health care professionals for diagnosis and treatment. In a few cases, the letter alleges, chaplains sought to provide comfort through evangelism. In essence, it seems wounded and disturbed troops were encouraged to put their trust in Jesus: that He would provide for them if only they accepted Him.


That just strikes me as wrong. Why would this be tolerated in the military? Any veterans wish to comment? I'm all eyes.

11 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:34:20pm

re: #7 researchok

I think he was right not to say anything.

It isn't as if his opinions on Islam are unknown or have been left unsaid. Anything he might say now will only inflame the situation and cause even more division. Further, by endorsing the project, there are those who might use that to fan an imaginary disagreement on the matter between him and the President as well as the Democrats that have 'folded'.

There is a reason he is being ignored by the right and the wingnuts on the park51 project. Where he stands on Islam, moderate Muslims and religious freedoms are well known. It is not hard to divine where he stands on the subject..

THIS...plus, better an ex-president who says too little than one who can't STFU. I think, if memory serves, we already have a president. I don't care what Carter, Bush, Bush or Clinton think about the Center.

12 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:34:37pm

re: #8 Stanley Sea

I admit to having the the fantasy that he would stand with President Obama in a very public way. You know, right trumps all other things.

But I guess there's just too much negative weight to the issue for some, and I'm a dreamer.

Not a dreamer- a realist.

All his statement might do is inflame the situation, on many levels.

13 pharmmajor  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:34:52pm

Sorry you were disappointed, Charles. Here's some reason that will hopefully cheer you up.

[Link: reason.com...]

14 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:35:25pm

re: #3 The Shadow Do

I don't know that this response is not the wisest. anything he would say would be picked up and skewed one way or another. He is being consistent in staying out of the debates - all of them. As an ex-president should.

By the way, he and Laura were on TV the other night with the new TX Rangers owners. He looked really old, Laura looked great.

Being president ages the hell out of you. I can see it happening to Obama already. Even guys who've had long political careers, you really see them get visibly older.

One of the reasons I was a tad worried about McCain (in terms of concern for him, rather his fitness as a politician). He's already been clobbered hard in his life. I didn't want to see what the Presidency was going to do to him.

15 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:36:08pm

re: #11 Aceofwhat?

THIS...plus, better an ex-president who says too little than one who can't STFU. I think, if memory serves, we already have a president. I don't care what Carter, Bush, Bush or Clinton think about the Center.

True- but on the matter of Islam, Bush has earned a certain credibility in the same way Reagan could opine with a certain authority on the demise of the Soviet Union.

16 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:36:29pm

re: #8 Stanley Sea

I admit to having the the fantasy that he would stand with President Obama in a very public way. You know, right trumps all other things.

But I guess there's just too much negative weight to the issue for some, and I'm a dreamer.

I would have loved to see him speak out, but he's a private citizen now, and I guess he gets to decide.

Is everyone aware, BTW, that I am now a 'Bushite'?

17 HoosierHoops  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:36:29pm

After the Bush Admin spent the last couple of years of his presidency in the Bunker...I could care less about anything he has to say today or in the future about anything...

18 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:37:13pm

re: #9 Rightwingconspirator

I happen to be a firm believer that former Presidents stay out of the fray. The only counsel he should offer would be in private.

Agreed.

19 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:37:35pm

re: #14 SanFranciscoZionist

I so agree there. I seriously doubt he could have survived the pressure. Add the particulars of these troubled times and look out. Stroke or collapse would be a huge risk.

20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:37:56pm

re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist

I would have loved to see him speak out, but he's a private citizen now, and I guess he gets to decide.

Is everyone aware, BTW, that I am now a 'Bullshite'?

21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:38:17pm

re: #20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Get it? Just added two letters...

22 freetoken  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:39:20pm

re: #7 researchok

I think he was right not to say anything.

I agree. Ultimately the hate-right will just spew hate at GWB since they don't like him already, and the rest of the country has written him off.

In a sense I can concur with the disappointment - it would be good if former Presidents could all get together and speak unanimously on this issue, though I am not holding out any hope of that happening.

What we need are current leaders to speak out against the madness, but even President Obama's rather cautious foray into this already has the right labeling him as some sort of demagogue.

23 thatthatisis  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:40:12pm

I would agree with all of you that Bush is right to be quiet, if it weren't for the fact that I feel he bears some responsibility for Dick Cheney being VP. And Cheney sure feels entitled to share his derogatory comments about the current administration constantly.

24 freetoken  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:41:13pm

Speaking of the rain of bigotry, put up a Pages entry on Dr. Laura saying she is quitting radio, claiming she want's her 1st amendment rights back.

Revanchism run wild.

25 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:41:46pm

re: #17 HoosierHoops

After the Bush Admin spent the last couple of years of his presidency in the Bunker...I could care less about anything he has to say today or in the future about anything...

Lame duck, it is what term limits do, especially with a contrary congress.

26 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:41:48pm

re: #2 thatthatisis

Ah, President Bush. His party is declaring war on their fellow citizens, and once again he gets out of the fray and pull a National Guard no-show position. Good job, W.

wait...you mean as proven conclusively by Dan Rather...?

27 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:42:09pm

re: #23 thatthatisis

I would agree with all of you that Bush is right to be quiet, if it weren't for the fact that I feel he bears some responsibility for Dick Cheney being VP. And Cheney sure feels entitled to share his derogatory comments about the current administration constantly.

And that doesn't make a fucking ounce of sense. Cheney is his own man, what he says or doesn't say is his own problem, not Bush's. Has Bush got his hand up Cheney's ass moving his stupid mouth?

28 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:43:15pm

re: #21 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Get it? Just added two letters...

Very nice.

Sorry to keep bringing this up, but one of the RWR trolls threw it at me as a term of insult, and I was, well, entertained.

29 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:43:31pm

re: #22 freetoken

I agree. Ultimately the hate-right will just spew hate at GWB since they don't like him already, and the rest of the country has written him off.

In a sense I can concur with the disappointment - it would be good if former Presidents could all get together and speak unanimously on this issue, though I am not holding out any hope of that happening.

What we need are current leaders to speak out against the madness, but even President Obama's rather cautious foray into this already has the right labeling him as some sort of demagogue.

Yup.

On the matter of Islam and moderate Muslims, W's bona fides are unimpeachable- and that is why no one on the right- no one- invokes his name when it comes to Park51 or anything else having to do with excoriating Muslims.

The right may pine for W, but when it comes to Islam and Muslims, it's like he doesn't exist.

30 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:43:36pm

re: #2 thatthatisis

I have to admit I've been hoping George W. Bush would step forward and remind his country we're not at war with Muslims Americans.

Ah, President Bush. His party is declaring war on their fellow citizens, and once again he gets out of the fray and pull a National Guard no-show position. Good job, W.

I just read this remark again... shit... we have ourselves a transparent concerned troll here... cake brain.

31 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:43:45pm

re: #23 thatthatisis

I would agree with all of you that Bush is right to be quiet, if it weren't for the fact that I feel he bears some responsibility for Dick Cheney being VP. And Cheney sure feels entitled to share his derogatory comments about the current administration constantly.

VP is a whole nother animal. He can carry on as he pleases. Most at this stage would have been running for the big chair and really running their mouth.

32 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:43:52pm

re: #27 Walter L. Newton

If anything, Bush is CHENEY'S puppet!!

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33 Kruk  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:44:03pm

Not sure if this has come up yet, but I found this essay both great and and very sad. The author says that America has ceded the high ground on religious freedom, and I find it hard to disagree.

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

34 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:44:09pm

re: #24 freetoken

Speaking of the rain of bigotry, put up a Pages entry on Dr. Laura saying she is quitting radio, claiming she want's her 1st amendment rights back.

Revanchism run wild.

What happened to Dr. Laura's First Amendment Rights?

35 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:44:21pm

He's no longer the decider.

36 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:44:38pm

re: #23 thatthatisis

I would agree with all of you that Bush is right to be quiet, if it weren't for the fact that I feel he bears some responsibility for Dick Cheney being VP. And Cheney sure feels entitled to share his derogatory comments about the current administration constantly.

In the same way the current administration blames the previosu administration for everything but the bad weather.

So far.

37 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:45:14pm

re: #23 thatthatisis

Cheney should have a court order, illegal to come within range of any microphone or camera related to policy or news.

38 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:45:16pm

re: #27 Walter L. Newton

And that doesn't make a fucking ounce of sense. Cheney is his own man, what he says or doesn't say is his own problem, not Bush's. Has Bush got his hand up Cheney's ass moving his stupid mouth?

No, but Cato was BDSing on the previous thread insinuating the reverse...

39 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:45:21pm

re: #33 Kruk

Not sure if this has come up yet, but I found this essay both great and and very sad. The author says that America has ceded the high ground on religious freedom, and I find it hard to disagree.

[Link: www.thedailybeast.com...]

Populist opinion has ruled... it happens.

40 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:45:35pm

re: #35 Killgore Trout

He's no longer the decider.

OK, I had to steal that for the title.

41 HoosierHoops  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:45:39pm

re: #25 The Shadow Do

Lame duck, it is what term limits do, especially with a contrary congress.

Time does not define Leadership..Nor does any contrary forces..
That is the measure of a man

42 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:45:40pm

re: #24 freetoken

Speaking of the rain of bigotry, put up a Pages entry on Dr. Laura saying she is quitting radio, claiming she want's her 1st amendment rights back.

Revanchism run wild.

Lol. She's just going to sit on her porch and scream the N word all day. Good luck with her new career.

43 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:45:47pm

re: #37 Rightwingconspirator

Cheney should have a court order, illegal to come within range of any microphone or camera related to policy or news.

I find him highly entertaining, but that is just me.

44 What, me worry?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:45:59pm

It's too hot an issue for him to comment. He would have to support the Imam, of course, because he worked with him. But he'd have to come out against his party, so he won't do it.

Bush often spoke in favor of Islam. What I call Western Islam.

He stressed a message his administration would repeat as it began wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. "The face of terror is not the true faith of Islam," Bush said then. "That's not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace. These terrorists don't represent peace. They represent evil and war."

But he also spoke out against Islamic extremism. Saying that word "extremist" or "terrorist" even when it was too PC to say the "T" word.

I think he understands the situation and because he does, he should have come out and supported the Imam, politics be damned.

45 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:46:09pm

re: #40 Charles

OK, I had to steal that for the title.

;)

46 pharmmajor  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:46:25pm

Charles, not to be a bother, but did you check out the link to the article I posted?

47 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:47:01pm

re: #38 talon_262

No, but Cato was BDSing on the previous thread insinuating the reverse...

I really don't give a fuck. Talk to Cato.

48 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:47:04pm

re: #41 HoosierHoops

Time does not define Leadership..Nor does any contrary forces..
That is the measure of a man

I'll share that with President Obama. Good advice.

49 3kids3dogs  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:47:35pm

I think his silence could be partly due to consideration of his brother Jeb's future political career.

50 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:47:48pm

re: #23 thatthatisis

I would agree with all of you that Bush is right to be quiet, if it weren't for the fact that I feel he bears some responsibility for Dick Cheney being VP. And Cheney sure feels entitled to share his derogatory comments about the current administration constantly.

Good point you make. It's OK for Cheney to go on the TV and bash the current President. (Dithering anyone?)

But it's better for the actual President to keep quiet about this?

51 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:48:22pm

re: #46 pharmmajor

Charles, not to be a bother, but did you check out the link to the article I posted?

I'm not a fan of Reason, and Reason's not a fan of me.

52 What, me worry?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:48:40pm

re: #49 3kids3dogs

I think his silence could be partly due to consideration of his brother Jeb's future political career.

Jeb has a future political career? He has been awful quiet hasn't he.

53 HappyWarrior  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:48:52pm

Wish he would have said something after all his State Department used this man for outreach in the Muslim world. His choice ultimately one way or the other.

54 Kruk  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:48:57pm

re: #24 freetoken

Speaking of the rain of bigotry, put up a Pages entry on Dr. Laura saying she is quitting radio, claiming she want's her 1st amendment rights back.

Revanchism run wild.

Say her interview on Larry King Live, and had a hard time keeping my lunch down. What was a striking was the number of times the words "afraid" and "fear for" came up, implying she was being threatened (in a nice touch, the families of her advertisers were also mentioned.) Talk about a sense of victimhood.

55 freetoken  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:50:15pm

re: #42 Killgore Trout

Lol. She's just going to sit on her porch and scream the N word all day. Good luck with her new career.

She does have quite a following, especially in the SoCon community which she has worked for years with her gimmick.

Truth is, she got into a very awkward situation, and she reportedly lost at least one of her sponsors (Motel 6).

Dr. Laura will join The Sarah and similar pundits on the God-n-Country circuit. She won't get nowhere near as much per engagement as The Sarah, but I bet she can pull down $5k per gig.

56 3kids3dogs  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:50:45pm

re: #52 marjoriemoon

Jeb has a future political career? He has been awful quiet hasn't he.

I think he's being quiet right now so that he can have a future in politics.

57 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:52:00pm

I know President Bush has upheld his vow of silence when it comes to current politics but I must say his total disengagement is extreme, even for a former president.

However, George W. Bush will remain on my "Heroes List."

Max's Heroes
1. Norman Podhoretz
2. Thomas Sowell
3. Thomas Friedman
4. Andrew Sullivan
5. Rudy Giuliani
6. John Bolton
7. Harry S. Truman
8. George W. Bush
9. Super Chicken

58 thatthatisis  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:52:31pm

I'm not responding to walter newton's posts, because I don't debate people like that.

The reason I was hoping someone like Bush I or Bush II would step up, is that no one else in the Republican party is doing so. We have a party which has become the home of death panels, snow storms in January disprove AGW while record heat waves don't get a mention, latent and not-so-latent racism, wanting to re-write the Constitution right and left, and now this mosque controversy.

McConnell, McCain, Boehner - all of them are diving for the bottom. If the current leaders of the Republican party don't take a stand on principal, and the former ones won't, then what?

59 HoosierHoops  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:52:59pm

re: #48 The Shadow Do

I'll share that with President Obama. Good advice.

President Obama is in deep trouble...His missteps will lose middle America in 2012..That's the way I am seeing this...He had better swing to the middle..or else...I've been around..I've seen this routine in politics..

60 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:53:41pm

re: #46 pharmmajor

Charles, not to be a bother, but did you check out the link to the article I posted?

lots of "anti-Muslim Charles Johnson" smears at Reason in the mid-2000's. just sayin'.

61 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:54:11pm

the password is...

...
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Harry Reid.

62 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:54:21pm

re: #60 Aceofwhat?

lots of "anti-Muslim Charles Johnson" smears at Reason in the mid-2000's. just sayin'.

Ahhh...the internet.

63 Racer X  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:54:23pm

re: #32 TheMatrix31

If anything, Bush is CHENEY'S puppet!!

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Who knew Tommy Smothers was the smart one.

64 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:54:53pm

re: #49 3kids3dogs

I think his silence could be partly due to consideration of his brother Jeb's future political career.

Could be!

65 What, me worry?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:55:11pm

re: #58 thatthatisis

I'm not responding to walter newton's posts, because I don't debate people like that.

The reason I was hoping someone like Bush I or Bush II would step up, is that no one else in the Republican party is doing so. We have a party which has become the home of death panels, snow storms in January disprove AGW while record heat waves don't get a mention, latent and not-so-latent racism, wanting to re-write the Constitution right and left, and now this mosque controversy.

McConnell, McCain, Boehner - all of them are diving for the bottom. If the current leaders of the Republican party don't take a stand on principal, and the former ones won't, then what?

I'm just hoping they don't get elected. But then I'm a liberal.

I haven't lost hope in the American way just yet.

66 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:55:26pm

re: #58 thatthatisis

what does "National Guard no-show" mean?

67 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:55:37pm

re: #58 thatthatisis

The reason I was hoping someone like Bush I or Bush II would step up, is that no one else in the Republican party is doing so.

Chris Christie is.

68 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:56:19pm

re: #66 Aceofwhat?

what does "National Guard no-show" mean?

I wondered who would bring that up first.

69 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:56:31pm

re: #67 Max D. Reinhardt

Chris Christie is.

and Charlie Crist.

70 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:56:52pm

re: #57 Max D. Reinhardt

Good to know.

71 pharmmajor  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:57:01pm

re: #51 Charles

I'm not a fan of Reason, and Reason's not a fan of me.

I understand, but the author of this article is in complete agreement with you on the Cordoba issue.

72 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:57:07pm

re: #68 researchok

I wondered who would bring that up first.

i am man enough to admit that i lacked the will to leave it alone/

73 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:57:07pm

re: #69 Aceofwhat?

and Charlie Crist.

Oh, wait, he was thrown out as a RINO. Remember?

74 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:57:42pm

re: #67 Max D. Reinhardt

Chris Christie is.

yeah, and then he accuses Obama of PLAYING POLITICS

what the fuck? He took a massive hit by bringing it up at all! Dems are livid with him! How the shit is that playing politics?

I was hoping there wouldn't be an asterix to that Republican good deed. Oh well!

75 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:58:03pm

re: #69 Aceofwhat?

and Charlie Crist.

No longer a republican

76 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:58:07pm

re: #72 Aceofwhat?

i am man enough to admit that i lacked the will to leave it alone/

I admire that.

77 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:58:24pm

re: #73 Max D. Reinhardt

Oh, wait, he was thrown out as a RINO. Remember?

yeah, i know. JasonA said it the other day...the Overton Window is shifting on me!

78 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:58:33pm

re: #58 thatthatisis

I'm not responding to walter newton's posts, because I don't debate people like that.

The reason I was hoping someone like Bush I or Bush II would step up, is that no one else in the Republican party is doing so. We have a party which has become the home of death panels, snow storms in January disprove AGW while record heat waves don't get a mention, latent and not-so-latent racism, wanting to re-write the Constitution right and left, and now this mosque controversy.

McConnell, McCain, Boehner - all of them are diving for the bottom. If the current leaders of the Republican party don't take a stand on principal, and the former ones won't, then what?

I'm not one to abandon ship lightly but the GOP is solidly on the bottom and clinging to the mast will only drown you with the rest of them.

79 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:58:34pm

re: #75 WindUpBird

No longer a republican

Nuanced, but true.

80 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:58:52pm

re: #59 HoosierHoops

President Obama is in deep trouble...His missteps will lose middle America in 2012..That's the way I am seeing this...He had better swing to the middle..or else...I've been around..I've seen this routine in politics..

He keeps trying to Hoops but his instincts invariably take him the wrong direction, hence we get beer-gate and such.

81 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:58:56pm

re: #67 Max D. Reinhardt

Chris Christie is.

I'm not very enthusiastic about Christie's statement, although it's better than nothing. He tried to use the issue to attack President Obama, instead of making a simple clear statement of principle; it was just as calculated a political move as Newt Gingrich's decision to go Full Metal Bigot.

82 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:58:57pm

re: #75 WindUpBird

No longer a republican

he will be after he wins.

83 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:59:07pm

re: #67 Max D. Reinhardt

Chris Christie is.

Not really. He just weaseled around a bunch in that statement.

What does it mean to take into account the feelings of those who lost loved ones on 9/11?

And how are the Democrats playing political football with this-- in a way that he isn't?

Unimpressive.

84 3kids3dogs  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:59:21pm

re: #64 WindUpBird

Could be!

I've often heard it said that if his last name wasn't Bush he'd probably be the front-runner for the GOP nomination. I'm not that familiar with his policy stances but I haven't heard anything that would put him in the radical camp. As a pretty popular governor in an important state like Florida it would seem like he would have the inside track for vp at least.

85 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:59:24pm

re: #79 researchok

Nuanced, but true.

The GOP is now to the right of him. *shrug*

86 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:59:29pm

re: #66 Aceofwhat?

It means he voted present, duh.

Oh wait, wrong President.

87 swamprat  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 6:59:44pm

Hey George!

You want to go down to zoo, get tied up and smeared with raw meat, and then thrown into a cage full of several hungry lions who will maul you right and left, no matter what you do??

I did that at every single press conference for several years. I'm retired now.

Ok, How about we ask you question that will get you smeared by bigots of several different sorts and mauled by right and left wing idiots no matter how you answer it?

Uh, why don't we skip the part where I participate, and you guys just smear me right and left, while I watch, bemused?

Okie dokie George! We're on it!

88 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:00:11pm

re: #81 Charles

I'm not very enthusiastic about Christie's statement, although it's better than nothing. He tried to use the issue to attack President Obama, instead of making a simple clear statement of principle; it was just as calculated a political move as Newt Gingrich's decision to go Full Metal Bigot.

this

89 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:00:26pm

re: #54 Kruk

Say her interview on Larry King Live, and had a hard time keeping my lunch down. What was a striking was the number of times the words "afraid" and "fear for" came up, implying she was being threatened (in a nice touch, the families of her advertisers were also mentioned.) Talk about a sense of victimhood.

My sympathy is scant.

90 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:00:45pm

re: #86 TheMatrix31

It means he voted present, duh.

Oh wait, wrong President.

hey campaign season was thataway

I know, let's bring up some Mondale talking points too

91 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:00:45pm

re: #27 Walter L. Newton

And that doesn't make a fucking ounce of sense. Cheney is his own man, what he says or doesn't say is his own problem, not Bush's. Has Bush got his hand up Cheney's ass moving his stupid mouth?

As I recall, it was just the opposite.

92 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:01:10pm

re: #90 WindUpBird

Fuck off. It's a matter of his record. And a joke. You make stupid jokes too. Shut up.

93 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:01:14pm

re: #88 WindUpBird

this

Everyone is using the issue for political gain.

Everyone.

94 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:01:59pm

Christie and Obama both were pretty weaselly on Park51. I get Christie but Obama has no reason to cave into the right (again!) thus pissing off his already agitated base.

95 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:02:06pm

re: #92 TheMatrix31

Fuck off. It's a matter of his record. And a joke. You make stupid jokes too. Shut up.

Calm.

96 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:02:16pm

re: #82 Aceofwhat?

he will be after he wins.

There is that!

But it's hard to claim Crist as a proper Republican when his party is trying to attack him like a virus.

97 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:02:34pm

re: #59 HoosierHoops

President Obama is in deep trouble...His missteps will lose middle America in 2012..That's the way I am seeing this...He had better swing to the middle..or else...I've been around..I've seen this routine in politics..

I think he needs to come out swinging. His bit about "the wisdom of the Mosque" was a back pedal.

There is no reason not to make this about core American values and just, for the love of America itself stand up for them, like Mayor Bloomberg did.

This should be a weapon used to defend liberty and to bash the bigots and the populists of the GOP.

Come out and call them on their hypocrisy in bold letters and say that America stands for certain principles of liberty and that it is a national disgrace that any politician would think otherwise.

The assured right of Americans to worship and speak freely is not something to nuance or debate or to be wishy washy on. It is something that American soldiers fight and die for.

This is not the place to fail in spine, but rather a simple test of wheter or not Americans love America and what she stands for.

The cowardice of Democrats on this is appalling.

They have the spines of jellyfish, and none of the sting. A proud democracy ought to be able to face down the various Neanderthals and call them out as Neanderthals. Dems ought to have to simple values to be able to tell them that if they despise American liberties so much, there are plenty of nations, like Saudi Arabia that do that sort of thing very well. The answer is to be a proud republic founded in honor with certain ideals - not to emulate less civilized nations out of base fear and pandering to crude instincts and vile propaganda.

This is a gift on a silver platter to stand proudly as Americans and to show what anti-American means.

But the Dems really don't have the courage of their convictions, now do they?

As to Bush, the same reasoning applies. I guess he doesn't want to rick the populist fear-mongering boat his party has gotten on. His cowardice is also noted.

98 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:02:43pm

re: #93 researchok

Everyone is using the issue for political gain.

Everyone.

Obama is NOT.

He did the exact opposite, he gave his party a gigantic headache.

99 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:03:02pm

re: #94 Max D. Reinhardt

Christie and Obama both were pretty weaselly on Park51. I get Christie but Obama has no reason to cave into the right (again!) thus pissing off his already agitated base.

Obama (and other Dems) caved because the numbers told him to cave.

100 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:03:06pm

re: #92 TheMatrix31

Fuck off. It's a matter of his record. And a joke. You make stupid jokes too. Shut up.

I made a joke back! What do you want from me?

101 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:03:36pm

re: #92 TheMatrix31

Fuck off. It's a matter of his record. And a joke. You make stupid jokes too. Shut up.

dude. i updinged the joke. but this is you strangling it.

102 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:03:40pm

re: #81 Charles

Full Metal Bigot.

I am going to steal that from you shamelessly. It is a fabulous line.

103 What, me worry?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:03:41pm

re: #56 3kids3dogs

I think he's being quiet right now so that he can have a future in politics.

I don't know. You think he would have run for something already.

I've been saying this for years, but Charlie Crist is the guy to watch. He's on the road to the presidency. From Gov to Senate to Pres. I'm not a big Crist fan, only because I'm not a Republican, but he's not a bad guy. He had a huge approval rating in Florida, up to 73% and that's among both Right and Left.

It dropped though, down to 44%. I think that had a lot to do with appearance of the Tea Party and more extreme Right. Crist is a conservative's Conservative, meaning he's probably too liberal at this point.


In his first 100 days, Crist announced efforts to provide hurricane-insurance relief, ditch controversial touch-screen voting machines for ones with a paper trail, create a "children's cabinet" to fix Florida's dysfunctional child-welfare services, increase teacher pay by $300 million and reduce the state's overcrowded classrooms, convene a summit on global warming, promote stem-cell research and restore voting rights to felons who complete their sentences (which he did last month).
104 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:03:51pm

Beer Gate & voting present, all in a couple of comments.

This is a toughie, isn't it?

105 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:03:54pm

re: #94 Max D. Reinhardt

Christie and Obama both were pretty weaselly on Park51. I get Christie but Obama has no reason to cave into the right (again!) thus pissing off his already agitated base.

yeah no, sorry, Obama was not "weaselly".


God damn

106 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:04:19pm

re: #98 WindUpBird

Obama is NOT.

He did the exact opposite, he gave his party a gigantic headache.

I disagree. I think that's what he hoped for- but he backpedaled.

Ironically, because he misread the shallowness of a lot of Americans.

107 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:04:24pm

re: #101 Aceofwhat?

"Dude" brings up random shit from the past all the time and I don't get on his case.

Whatever.

108 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:04:57pm

re: #104 Stanley Sea

Beer Gate & voting present, all in a couple of comments.

This is a toughie, isn't it?

Man, it's 2008 again! Where's my DeLorean?


Seriously, if we're going to just do stale campaign season talking points, I could probably just write a script to argue for me :D

109 What, me worry?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:05:13pm

re: #84 3kids3dogs

I've often heard it said that if his last name wasn't Bush he'd probably be the front-runner for the GOP nomination. I'm not that familiar with his policy stances but I haven't heard anything that would put him in the radical camp. As a pretty popular governor in an important state like Florida it would seem like he would have the inside track for vp at least.

He wasn't popular among Dems. Crist was.

110 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:05:20pm

re: #89 SanFranciscoZionist

My sympathy is scant.

Yeah. Good riddance. The one time I listened to the "Dr" was when a father called in, worried about his gay teenage daughter (being gay, 'cause it was against the Bible) and the good "Dr" had the audacity to strongly suggest some kind of "gay reversal" therapy+religion. The father just ate it up. I simultaneously felt so sorry for his daughter and the trauma she is in for, and pure disgust for Dr. Laura (the girls' dumbass religious dad).

111 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:05:35pm

re: #104 Stanley Sea

Beer Gate & voting present, all in a couple of comments.

This is a toughie, isn't it?

Politics- a creative sport.

112 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:05:44pm

re: #97 LudwigVanQuixote

I think he needs to come out swinging. His bit about "the wisdom of the Mosque" was a back pedal.

There is no reason not to make this about core American values and just, for the love of America itself stand up for them, like Mayor Bloomberg did.

This should be a weapon used to defend liberty and to bash the bigots and the populists of the GOP.

Well stated. I would hope that running on American values would be a winning strategy for the fall, but I don't see it happening. The Dems are really cowardly.

113 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:05:57pm

re: #108 WindUpBird

Too bad your DeLorean doesn't get struck by lightning to send your ass back to 1885.

114 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:06:00pm

re: #96 WindUpBird

There is that!

But it's hard to claim Crist as a proper Republican when his party is trying to attack him like a virus.

this may be stubborn and backwards of me, but i cling firmly to the notion that we (Charlie and I) are the proper Republicans, and the idiots to the right of us are the virus.

115 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:06:27pm

re: #107 TheMatrix31

How dramatic.

Image: drama_llama.jpg

116 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:06:56pm

re: #106 researchok

I disagree. I think that's what he hoped for- but he backpedaled.

Ironically, because he misread the shallowness of a lot of Americans.

How did he backpedal? The wisdom quote? That wasn't a backpedal.

117 What, me worry?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:07:09pm

re: #96 WindUpBird

There is that!

But it's hard to claim Crist as a proper Republican when his party is trying to attack him like a virus.

If he wins the Senate race, it will be interesting to see who he caucus' with.

118 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:07:25pm

re: #115 Obdicut

(insert dumb internet douchiness picture here)

119 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:07:27pm

re: #112 PT Barnum

Well stated. I would hope that running on American values would be a winning strategy for the fall, but I don't see it happening. The Dems are really cowardly.

I apologize in advance for the word. No sexism is intended.

But the problem facing this country is that the Dems are utter pussies, while the GOP fights strongly for evil positions.

120 Racer X  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:07:28pm

Fancy a ride in my shark? It looks like a great white, soars 12ft into the air then dives under waves

The Seabreacher X - co-created and now driven by Rob - is the ultimate millionaire's boy-toy: a James Bond-style craft that can dive under water, roll from side to side and jump 12ft into the air.
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It looks like a great white shark, complete with dorsal fin, gaping jaws and rows of dagger-sharp teeth. At 16.5ft in length, it is even the same size as one.

Unlike the real thing, it also has a 260hp engine, which powers it to 50mph above water, and 20mph below it.
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121 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:07:54pm

re: #116 WindUpBird

How did he backpedal? The wisdom quote? That wasn't a backpedal.

The wisdom quote was probably a good middle ground. Support the right but question the decision.

122 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:08:13pm

re: #59 HoosierHoops

President Obama is in deep trouble...His missteps will lose middle America in 2012..That's the way I am seeing this...He had better swing to the middle..or else...I've been around..I've seen this routine in politics..

Swing to the middle? Obama has been as middle-of-the-road as he can be.

123 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:08:17pm

re: #108 WindUpBird

Man, it's 2008 again! Where's my DeLorean?

Seriously, if we're going to just do stale campaign season talking points, I could probably just write a script to argue for me :D

In what respect Charlie?

124 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:08:24pm

re: #113 TheMatrix31

Too bad your DeLorean doesn't get struck by lightning to send your ass back to 1885.

Now, there you go. You get an upding cause that one is really funny.

125 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:08:27pm

re: #118 TheMatrix31

(insert dumb internet douchiness picture here)

I really don't know what to say, man. Every time you post here, you seem to be full of rage or whining. What do you get out of pitching hissy fits like this?

126 3kids3dogs  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:08:53pm

re: #103 marjoriemoon

I don't know. You think he would have run for something already.

I've been saying this for years, but Charlie Crist is the guy to watch. He's on the road to the presidency. From Gov to Senate to Pres. I'm not a big Crist fan, only because I'm not a Republican, but he's not a bad guy. He had a huge approval rating in Florida, up to 73% and that's among both Right and Left.

It dropped though, down to 44%. I think that had a lot to do with appearance of the Tea Party and more extreme Right. Crist is a conservative's Conservative, meaning he's probably too liberal at this point.

I don't think he's running for something right now because the Bush name would weigh him down right now. In a few years, when the last Bush presidency has faded more from memory, I think he'll be back.

As to Charlie Crist, he's burned his bridges with the Republicans and I don't know if he can make it as a Democrat.

128 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:09:25pm

re: #125 Obdicut

I'm passionate. What can I say. If everyone else can be dicks and douches, why cant I?

129 Racer X  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:09:26pm

re: #122 Max D. Reinhardt

Swing to the middle? Obama has been as middle-of-the-road as he can be.

Depends on where the road is located.

130 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:09:28pm

re: #110 eclectic infidel

Yeah. Good riddance. The one time I listened to the "Dr" was when a father called in, worried about his gay teenage daughter (being gay, 'cause it was against the Bible) and the good "Dr" had the audacity to strongly suggest some kind of "gay reversal" therapy+religion. The father just ate it up. I simultaneously felt so sorry for his daughter and the trauma she is in for, and pure disgust for Dr. Laura (the girls' dumbass religious dad).

I just always think of the scene from West Wing, where Bartlet shuts down the Dr. Laura-character.

131 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:10:03pm

re: #128 TheMatrix31

I'm passionate. What can I say. If everyone else can be dicks and douches, why cant I?

You don't come off as 'passionate', man.

I hope I'm right in guessing you're not in college yet, or just around that age?

132 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:10:14pm

re: #128 TheMatrix31

I'm passionate. What can I say. If everyone else can be dicks and douches, why cant I?

why sink to their level? Asshole.
//

133 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:10:17pm

re: #114 Aceofwhat?

this may be stubborn and backwards of me, but i cling firmly to the notion that we (Charlie and I) are the proper Republicans, and the idiots to the right of us are the virus.

I really don't want to have to give up the "R" next to my name either. For years I used to kiss it and shine it and wear it as a badge of honor.

I do so no longer; but I sure as hell don't want a "D" next to my name.

134 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:10:28pm

re: #121 PT Barnum

The wisdom quote was probably a good middle ground. Support the right but question the decision.


It's a good middle ground, but it's 100% true. He didn't change his position. He says they have a right to build there, and that statement is not an endorsement of the building itself.

135 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:10:37pm

re: #131 Obdicut

You don't come off as 'passionate', man.

I hope I'm right in guessing you're not in college yet, or just around that age?

Your guess is incorrect.

136 3kids3dogs  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:10:58pm

re: #109 marjoriemoon

He wasn't popular among Dems. Crist was.

Well, he would be running for the GOP nomination ;-)

137 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:11:10pm

re: #124 wlewisiii

Now, there you go. You get an upding cause that one is really funny.

any reference to BttF 3, gotta love it :D

138 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:11:41pm

re: #135 TheMatrix31

Your guess is incorrect.

You just graduated. you've said that.

OH MAN HE'S WAY OFF HE'S TOTALLY COLD

139 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:11:52pm

re: #137 WindUpBird

Actually, Back To The Future 2.

140 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:11:59pm
141 What, me worry?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:12:07pm

re: #126 3kids3dogs

I don't think he's running for something right now because the Bush name would weigh him down right now. In a few years, when the last Bush presidency has faded more from memory, I think he'll be back.

As to Charlie Crist, he's burned his bridges with the Republicans and I don't know if he can make it as a Democrat.

Good points. So you think Crist may end up like Leiberman in no man's land? Well, we could do a lot worse heh Depending on wins the Dem primary, I may very well vote for Crist and that would be a first outside my party.

142 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:12:18pm

re: #135 TheMatrix31

Your guess is incorrect.

Okay. Then, well, you just seem like someone who's going through what people go through at your age, and have, for some reason or another, decided to occasionally post that operatic trauma here.

Try to go more with the discussing things, and less with the drama. You'll get a lot more respect, and you may find your social needs get met at the same time.

143 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:12:47pm

re: #142 Obdicut

Okay. Then, well, you just seem like someone who's going through what people go through at your age, and have, for some reason or another, decided to occasionally post that operatic trauma here.

Try to go more with the discussing things, and less with the drama. You'll get a lot more respect, and you may find your social needs get met at the same time.

Thanks for the advice, bro!!!

144 Racer X  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:12:49pm

Rageboners™

145 What, me worry?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:12:52pm

re: #133 Max D. Reinhardt

I really don't want to have to give up the "R" next to my name either. For years I used to kiss it and shine it and wear it as a badge of honor.

I do so no longer; but I sure as hell don't want a "D" next to my name.

Come on in! The water's fine!

146 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:13:04pm

re: #97 LudwigVanQuixote

As to Bush, the same reasoning applies. I guess he doesn't want to rick the populist fear-mongering boat his party has gotten on. His cowardice is also noted.


In fairness, he bucked the party backlash, and it was certainly there, for the better part of eight years. Remember the bows, the ROP business, etc? The "true conservatives" sure do.

147 swamprat  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:13:19pm

re: #122 Max D. Reinhardt

Swing to the middle? Obama has been as middle-of-the-road as he can be.

I know he tries. He may be as "middle-of-the-road" as HE can be, but he is not as middle-of-the-road as anyone can be.
Everything is relative.

148 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:13:31pm

re: #144 Racer X

Schwing!

149 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:13:34pm

re: #139 TheMatrix31

Actually, Back To The Future 2.

fair enough, 3 took place in 1885, 2 was when they arrived

150 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:13:38pm

re: #133 Max D. Reinhardt

I really don't want to have to give up the "R" next to my name either. For years I used to kiss it and shine it and wear it as a badge of honor.

I do so no longer; but I sure as hell don't want a "D" next to my name.

I agree. Idiots moving too far to the right are opening up a vacancy for us to fill in the center.

151 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:13:41pm

re: #143 TheMatrix31

Thanks for the advice, bro!!!

Or you can just keep on pitching hissy fits and having people laugh at you.

Life is full of choices.

152 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:13:54pm

re: #116 WindUpBird

How did he backpedal? The wisdom quote? That wasn't a backpedal.

OK, it was an unexpected dance move.

The way I see it, he got some bad advice when he responded to his critics. He should have said nothing and let his original words stand.

There is something about a President who takes a moral stand. There is no need to engage either idiots or bigots.

Our guaranteed freedoms are not so relevant when they are easy to ensure. We have been conditioned to respect our values. Freedoms that are difficult or unpopular measure our commitment to the ideals we say we believe in.

After 9/11, I harbored a lot of not so nice, secret thoughts and ideas about what I wanted to see done and to whom.

W made a principled stand and made3 clear in no uncertain terms brushes and not spray guns would be used to fight our enemies.

He was right.

153 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:13:58pm

re: #122 Max D. Reinhardt

Swing to the middle? Obama has been as middle-of-the-road as he can be.


The problem is that the only people that see that he's pretty much middle of the road are the sorely disappointed leftists who thought he was one of them.

I saw in Obama a pragmatic intellectual who would actually gather information and think before making decisions. I didn't see him as particularly liberal on much of anything. It's why I voted for him.

154 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:14:31pm

re: #133 Max D. Reinhardt

I really don't want to have to give up the "R" next to my name either. For years I used to kiss it and shine it and wear it as a badge of honor.

I do so no longer; but I sure as hell don't want a "D" next to my name.

May I suggest "No Party Affiliation".

155 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:15:15pm

re: #152 researchok

Your standards for Obama are so much higher than your standards for Bush, it's breathtaking.

156 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:15:22pm

re: #97 LudwigVanQuixote

Wisdom includes principles like freedom of religion. It does not trump them.

157 3kids3dogs  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:15:24pm

re: #141 marjoriemoon

Good points. So you think Crist may end up like Leiberman in no man's land? Well, we could do a lot worse heh Depending on wins the Dem primary, I may very well vote for Crist and that would be a first outside my party.

I think he'll caucus with the Dems but I don't see him officially becoming one. He seems like an old fashioned moderate Republican. Does anyone else remember when there used to be liberal Republicans?

158 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:15:33pm

re: #153 PT Barnum

The problem is that the only people that see that he's pretty much middle of the road are the sorely disappointed leftists who thought he was one of them.

I saw in Obama a pragmatic intellectual who would actually gather information and think before making decisions. I didn't see him as particularly liberal on much of anything. It's why I voted for him.

Yep!

159 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:16:46pm

re: #151 Obdicut

Or you can just keep on pitching hissy fits and having people laugh at you.

Life is full of choices.

I hope that laughter directed at my actions can make its way into your schedule. After all, its tough to break away from the constant hilarity of the doucheosity that emanates from Fark, 4Chan, Digg, Failblog, and other nonsense sites.

160 pharmmajor  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:16:57pm

re: #133 Max D. Reinhardt

I really don't want to have to give up the "R" next to my name either. For years I used to kiss it and shine it and wear it as a badge of honor.

I do so no longer; but I sure as hell don't want a "D" next to my name.

How about an "I" for independent?

161 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:17:08pm

re: #154 reine.de.tout

May I suggest "No Party Affiliation".

I've made my decision to keep my "R" until I know who the party nominee is in 2012. If it's Palin, Huckabee, or Gingrich, then I'm outie. If it's Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Condi Rice, David Petraeus, or maybe even Mitt Romney, then I'll stay.

162 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:17:34pm

"President Bush has no comment."

Because Dick Cheney and Karl Rove do not choose to manipulate his mouth and his marionette arms in this case.

163 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:18:19pm

re: #155 WindUpBird

Your standards for Obama are so much higher than your standards for Bush, it's breathtaking.

Why do you say that?

I support Obama's stated position.

Why he felt he had to respond to the morons is beyond me.

164 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:18:22pm

re: #161 Max D. Reinhardt

You would stay for Cheney?

165 thatthatisis  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:18:36pm

re: #123 Stanley Sea

In what respect Charlie?

Now THAT was a great come back. Kudos.

166 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:18:39pm

re: #159 TheMatrix31

I hope that laughter directed at my actions can make its way into your schedule. After all, its tough to break away from the constant hilarity of the doucheosity that emanates from Fark, 4Chan, Digg, Failblog, and other nonsense sites.

I don't actually go to those other sites. I used to read Fark, but, as you say, it's pretty nonsense-- got taken over by trolls. This is the only online discussion forum that I've found that's really worth the time.

167 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:18:43pm

re: #161 Max D. Reinhardt

I've made my decision to keep my "R" until I know who the party nominee is in 2012. If it's Palin, Huckabee, or Gingrich, then I'm outie. If it's Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Condi Rice, David Petraeus, or maybe even Mitt Romney, then I'll stay.

You may also wish to consider "Jindal" on your "out" list.

168 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:18:53pm

re: #159 TheMatrix31

I hope that laughter directed at my actions can make its way into your schedule. After all, its tough to break away from the constant hilarity of the doucheosity that emanates from Fark, 4Chan, Digg, Failblog, and other nonsense sites.

it would help if you were funnier

169 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:19:22pm

re: #161 Max D. Reinhardt

I've made my decision to keep my "R" until I know who the party nominee is in 2012. If it's Palin, Huckabee, or Gingrich, then I'm outie. If it's Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Condi Rice, David Petraeus, or maybe even Mitt Romney, then I'll stay.

Fingers crossed for Condi...

170 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:19:44pm

re: #153 PT Barnum

The problem is that the only people that see that he's pretty much middle of the road are the sorely disappointed leftists who thought he was one of them.

I saw in Obama a pragmatic intellectual who would actually gather information and think before making decisions. I didn't see him as particularly liberal on much of anything. It's why I voted for him.

Actually I agree with you. As a leftist, I knew exactly what his positions were. I far preferred him than any of the alternatives that 2008 presented however & didn't feel I had to actually hold my nose to vote for him.

171 Kragar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:19:48pm

re: #168 Aceofwhat?

it would help if you were funnier

Some people try to hard

172 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:19:50pm

re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist

What happened to Dr. Laura's First Amendment Rights?

She used them.

173 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:19:58pm

re: #167 reine.de.tout

You may also wish to consider "Jindal" on your "out" list.

Unless he can exorcise Bush's spirit of tolerance, he's out.

174 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:20:01pm

re: #161 Max D. Reinhardt

I've made my decision to keep my "R" until I know who the party nominee is in 2012. If it's Palin, Huckabee, or Gingrich, then I'm outie. If it's Jeb Bush, Dick Cheney, Condi Rice, David Petraeus, or maybe even Mitt Romney, then I'll stay.

Now there's a merry bunch of cretins, rogues, liars and thieves.

175 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:20:08pm

re: #167 reine.de.tout

You may also wish to consider "Jindal" on your "out" list.

Be careful. Jindal might go 'demon' on you.

176 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:20:16pm

re: #166 Obdicut

Which is why I bitch and moan about that loser garbage making its way over here. If I want idiotic pictures, stupid jokes and memes, and other trash, I'd wade into those cesspools.

177 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:20:19pm

re: #171 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Some people try to hard

Anne Coulter being a prime example.

178 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:20:30pm

re: #169 Aceofwhat?

Fingers crossed for Condi...

Jeb Bush is my top choice right now.

179 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:20:32pm

re: #133 Max D. Reinhardt

I really don't want to have to give up the "R" next to my name either. For years I used to kiss it and shine it and wear it as a badge of honor.

I do so no longer; but I sure as hell don't want a "D" next to my name.

But you have it in the middle of your name!

180 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:20:49pm

re: #162 Cato the Elder

"President Bush has no comment."

Because Dick Cheney and Karl Rove do not choose to manipulate his mouth and his marionette arms in this case.

Unlike Obama who speaks out of both sides of his mouth.

181 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:20:57pm

re: #179 Alouette

Snap

182 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:21:13pm

re: #179 Alouette

But you have it in the middle of your name!

uh-oh.

183 swamprat  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:21:22pm

The bushies and the bamies are sparking up against one another.
I, too have definite feelings about both, but nothing is to be gained by repeating my opinions.

I'm bailin' like Palin.

184 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:21:30pm

re: #176 TheMatrix31

Oh jesus Christ, you are seriously, seriously, seriously being a Drama Llama about a Drama Llama picture?

Holy meta-stick-up-the-ass, Batman!

You're far too young to be this uptight.

185 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:21:43pm

re: #177 PT Barnum

Anne Coulter being a prime example.

A prime example of a pimple pretending it is a head.

186 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:21:46pm

re: #180 Spare O'Lake

Unlike Obama who speaks out of both sides of his mouth.

Unlike Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh who speak out of both ends. Unfortunately it's really difficult to tell which end most of the time.

187 Political Atheist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:21:56pm

re: #182 reine.de.tout

LOL

188 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:22:12pm

re: #176 TheMatrix31

Which is why I bitch and moan about that loser garbage making its way over here. If I want idiotic pictures, stupid jokes and memes, and other trash, I'd wade into those cesspools.

Cue Beck-esque tears in 3,2,1...

189 What, me worry?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:22:18pm

re: #183 swamprat

The bushies and the bamies are sparking up against one another.
I, too have definite feelings about both, but nothing is to be gained by repeating my opinions.

I'm bailin' like Palin.

Now that was worth a ding.

190 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:22:49pm

re: #178 Max D. Reinhardt

Jeb Bush is my top choice right now.

Yeah, because what we need in this country right now is another goddamned arsefucking scion of a weak-blooded pseudo-nobility.

191 Kragar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:22:49pm

re: #176 TheMatrix31

Which is why I bitch and moan about that loser garbage making its way over here. If I want idiotic pictures, stupid jokes and memes, and other trash, I'd wade into those cesspools.

Lighten up Francis

192 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:23:05pm

re: #175 researchok

Be careful. Jindal might go 'demon' on you.

Better that than Opie (remember the response he gave to the SOTU speech?)

193 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:24:23pm

re: #183 swamprat

The bushies and the bamies are sparking up against one another.
I, too have definite feelings about both, but nothing is to be gained by repeating my opinions.

I'm bailin' like Palin.

seeeriously.

XXX is a total lying spineless cheat thief person. there. i participated.

194 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:25:04pm

re: #184 Obdicut

Oh jesus Christ, you are seriously, seriously, seriously being a Drama Llama about a Drama Llama picture?

Holy meta-stick-up-the-ass, Batman!

You're far too young to be this uptight.

It's not just the "drama llama" picture. I've made it clear that I think those pictures and types of humor are fucking irritating and drag down internet communities and blogs.

It's like a bunch of fucking 10-20 year olds gathered and launched a war of doucheness on the rest of the internet.

195 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:25:18pm

re: #186 PT Barnum

Unlike Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh who speak out of both ends. Unfortunately it's really difficult to tell which end most of the time.

That comment really stinks.

196 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:25:44pm

re: #194 TheMatrix31

It's not just the "drama llama" picture. I've made it clear that I think those pictures and types of humor are fucking irritating and drag down internet communities and blogs.

It's like a bunch of fucking 10-20 year olds gathered and launched a war of doucheness on the rest of the internet.

i've made it clear that i thought it was funny. so there/

197 cliffster  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:25:46pm

wow, kinda lively here tonight. I take time out to scrub my kids, read them a couple of books, and put them to bed, and I'm now 300 comments behind. just like old days...

198 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:26:16pm

re: #195 Spare O'Lake

That comment really stinks.

No wonder..both of them probably have bad breath and gas.

199 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:26:40pm

re: #194 TheMatrix31

Alright, before you get too self righteous, maybe you should consider the fact that you're the only person who seems to have a problem with this... including the owner of this blog. Maybe its time to move on to greener pastures?

200 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:26:42pm

re: #196 Aceofwhat?

i've made it clear that i thought it was funny. so there/

A picture that had absolutely nothing to do with the comment I posted was funny? Low threshold of humor. Try Seinfeld, Curb, Modern Family.....they're better.

201 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:26:51pm

LOLcats ROOINT the internets, I say! Memes, lolcatz and pr0n.

202 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:27:00pm

re: #199 McSpiff

Are you trying to run me off or something?

203 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:27:14pm

re: #201 Jimmah

Prime example.

204 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:27:29pm
205 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:27:36pm

re: #191 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lighten up Francis

206 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:27:49pm

re: #194 TheMatrix31

It's not just the "drama llama" picture. I've made it clear that I think those pictures and types of humor are fucking irritating and drag down internet communities and blogs.

It's like a bunch of fucking 10-20 year olds gathered and launched a war of doucheness on the rest of the internet.

Well now that you've established yourself as having an enormous stick up your ass, why not let us all know what you think is acceptable. We'll ignore you if you're lucky and mock you mercilessly if you're not, but that's the way we roll.

207 What, me worry?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:28:00pm

re: #201 Jimmah

LOLcats ROOINT the internets, I say! Memes, lolcatz and pr0n.

Heyas! How's it shakin?

208 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:28:06pm

re: #194 TheMatrix31

Is there some sort of policy at LGF against pictures? I really don't think there is. So maybe you should take this up with Charles?

Or you could just relax. You don't even see the pictures here unless you click on them. So what's the big deal? That's one of the nicer bits of programming here; allows people to seek their own level of engagement with such things.

Apparently even knowing that other people are having fun that you don't like angers you.

209 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:28:17pm

Also jpgs and images. DESTROYED teh Internet!11!

210 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:28:19pm

re: #202 TheMatrix31

I'm saying your at a blog with several hundred active posters, and you're a crusade of one. Maybe you should reflect on that.

211 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:28:23pm

re: #194 TheMatrix31

It's not just the "drama llama" picture. I've made it clear that I think those pictures and types of humor are fucking irritating and drag down internet communities and blogs.

It's like a bunch of fucking 10-20 year olds gathered and launched a war of doucheness on the rest of the internet.

What the heck are you talking about?

You know what I do when I'm in somebody else's home (like, a blog), and there's something happening that doesn't sit right?

I ignore it and move on to something that sits a bit better.
Or register a mild complaint and then move on.
Or, find another place to be.

It's pretty pointless to sit and stew about it.

212 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:28:26pm

re: #204 McSpiff

Image: Question-Spiderman-lol-why-you-mad-tho.jpg

That one's funny. I prefer the "U MAD? one with the rapper on the O'Reilly show, however.

213 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:28:38pm

re: #200 TheMatrix31

A picture that had absolutely nothing to do with the comment I posted was funny? Low threshold of humor. Try Seinfeld, Curb, Modern Family...they're better.

yep. it was funny. and yes. i have a low threshold of humor. in other words, i laugh often.

214 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:29:17pm

re: #208 Obdicut

Is there some sort of policy at LGF against pictures? I really don't think there is. So maybe you should take this up with Charles?

Or you could just relax. You don't even see the pictures here unless you click on them. So what's the big deal? That's one of the nicer bits of programming here; allows people to seek their own level of engagement with such things.

Apparently even knowing that other people are having fun that you don't like angers you.

You cant "not click" on posts like 209.

Whatever. Issue's dropped.

215 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:29:27pm

re: #212 TheMatrix31

That's the one I wanted, but my 13 second google image search didn't find it...

216 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:30:09pm

re: #194 TheMatrix31

It's not just the "drama llama" picture. I've made it clear that I think those pictures and types of humor are fucking irritating and drag down internet communities and blogs.

It's like a bunch of fucking 10-20 year olds gathered and launched a war of doucheness on the rest of the internet.

It's....LOLcat TIME!

[Link: icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com...]

217 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:30:12pm

re: #213 Aceofwhat?

yep. it was funny. and yes. i have a low threshold of humor. in other words, i laugh often.

That sounds terrible. So much enjoyment.

Let's judge the severity of the condition:

Image: lookduck.jpg

219 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:30:45pm

re: #213 Aceofwhat?

yep. it was funny. and yes. i have a low threshold of humor. in other words, i laugh often.

Oh good..a willing audience..

220 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:31:03pm

Jeb.

Another stinking, misundereducated, crab-ridden, clapped-out, tainted Bush.

What you get when you can't afford a Real Merkin.

221 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:31:07pm

re: #216 Stanley Sea

It's...LOLcat TIME!

[Link: icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com...]

LOVE IT.

222 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:31:36pm

re: #218 Aceofwhat?

Image: funny_signs_04.jpg

If they're slow children, shouldn't they be worth less?

223 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:31:57pm

re: #217 Obdicut

That post is so full of win.

224 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:31:58pm

re: #217 Obdicut

That sounds terrible. So much enjoyment.

Let's judge the severity of the condition:

Image: lookduck.jpg

i laughed. you know me...absolutely no standards/

225 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:32:10pm

There is something very ugly on CNN right now.

226 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:32:14pm

re: #220 Cato the Elder

Jeb.

Another stinking, misundereducated, crab-ridden, clapped-out, tainted Bush.

What you get when you can't afford a Real Merkin.

That made me wince, and I don't even have one of those...

227 cliffster  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:32:36pm

re: #211 reine.de.tout

that's funny. Me and my family were hanging out at a couple-friend's house the other night. kids were chillin', we were sitting out back drinking some beers. The subject of gzmosque came up, and said friends were quite outraged. Some of the usual talking points. I told them, I think the guy building the place is actually a good guy. I understand people feeling a little weird about the location, although I really don't agree. next subject...

228 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:32:38pm

re: #222 PT Barnum

If they're slow children, shouldn't they be worth less?

bonus points for cruelty

229 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:32:41pm

re: #222 PT Barnum

Yeah, i'd give them negative internet points, lolz.

230 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:32:49pm

re: #225 Spare O'Lake

There is something very ugly on CNN right now.

God, there's so many places to go with this one.

231 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:33:03pm

Sit and stew.

Or not.

232 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:33:04pm

re: #203 TheMatrix31

Prime example.

Of what? LOLcats, memes, or porn? Please specify.

If necessary please turn over the blog and continue your itemised list on the other side of the sheet, sign and date each page before moving on.

233 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:33:43pm

re: #203 TheMatrix31

Prime example.


Who pissed in your popcorn?

234 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:33:45pm

re: #225 Spare O'Lake

There is something very ugly on CNN right now.

Ain't that the truth

235 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:33:55pm

re: #231 reine.de.tout

He should use a simpler keyboard:

Image: pirate_keyboard.jpg

236 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:34:08pm

IMHO George W. Bush has shown the only wisdom of any political figure in this moronic controversy, by not getting into it.

Everyone involved is stupid, everyone, everyone.

And that's the last I'm going to say on any of these threads.

237 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:34:19pm

re: #231 reine.de.tout

Sit and stew.

Or not.

Heh, I have that avatar on a sports blog. It's like, totally perfect.

238 webevintage  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:34:23pm

re: #225 Spare O'Lake

There is something very ugly on CNN right now.

Would that be Pam Geller?

239 cliffster  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:34:38pm

re: #231 reine.de.tout

Sit and stew.

Or not.

wow, that's the funniest thing I've seen all month. and it's a f'ing stick figure.

240 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:34:50pm

re: #233 eclectic infidel

Who pissed in your popcorn?

I don't eat popcorn. Gets stuck in my teeth. Maybe thats why I'm pissy :(

I do like kettle corn though.

241 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:34:53pm

re: #218 Aceofwhat?

re: #217 Obdicut

Funny thing is (heh) that this is the first time I've sustained some laughing in awhile!!!

Muchas Gracias!

242 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:35:22pm

re: #239 cliffster

wow, that's the funniest thing I've seen all month. and it's a f'ing stick figure.

Sometimes that's exactly what I'm doing as I sit here.
LOL

243 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:35:23pm

re: #239 cliffster

wow, that's the funniest thing I've seen all month. and it's a f'ing stick figure.

how dare you laugh at what someone else may deem beneath them/

244 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:35:24pm

re: #231 reine.de.tout

Sit and stew.

Or not.

REminded me of this

245 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:35:34pm

re: #232 Jimmah

By the way, Master J., I don't know if you saw my comment earlier today, but if thou dost not release Ice from her purdah long enough to talk to use for five minutes, there are those amongst us who are getting ready to call the authorities on you.

Seriously, where the hell is she?!?11ty!

246 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:35:57pm

re: #58 thatthatisis

I'm not responding to walter newton's posts, because I don't debate people like that.

[snip]

Please... please... please... if you are going to use my name, proper English and spelling please... Walter L. Newton (you can leave off Esq. if you want).

247 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:36:16pm

Image: 6104.jpg

/end thread, methinks.

248 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:36:18pm

re: #238 webevintage

Would that be Pam Geller?

Oh, is that what it was?

249 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:36:45pm

re: #244 PT Barnum

REminded me of this


[Video]

Kid needs a chill pill.

250 webevintage  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:37:06pm

re: #248 Spare O'Lake

Oh, is that what it was?

heh.

I'm watching the twitter feed from people who are watching and commenting....

251 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:37:13pm

re: #231 reine.de.tout

Sit and stew.

Or not.

I love you.

252 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:37:19pm

re: #249 reine.de.tout

Kid needs a chill pill.

Oh yeah! I've seen it many times, unfortunately.

253 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:37:55pm

re: #230 Obdicut

God, there's so many places to go with this one.

Be my guest.

254 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:37:55pm

re: #235 Obdicut

He should use a simpler keyboard:

Image: pirate_keyboard.jpg

LOL.
Heck.
Post that as a link, can you, so I can save it?

255 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:38:16pm

bedtime. good night, all.

256 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:38:32pm

re: #254 reine.de.tout

LOL.
Heck.
Post that as a link, can you, so I can save it?

nevermind, I figured it out.

257 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:38:56pm

re: #254 reine.de.tout

If you use Firefox, you can right click on the URL, click "copy link location" or open in a new tab, and then save it.

258 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:39:25pm

re: #225 Spare O'Lake

There is something very ugly on CNN right now.

Larry King drop trou again?

259 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:39:33pm

Image: 6092.jpg

Aint that the truth.

260 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:39:56pm

re: #240 TheMatrix31

I don't eat popcorn. Gets stuck in my teeth. Maybe thats why I'm pissy :(

I do like kettle corn though.

Yes. Kettle corn is addicting. Occasionally for a treat I purchase a mega bag of it at the Grand Lake farmer's market.

261 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:40:07pm

re: #254 reine.de.tout

A link

262 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:40:50pm

re: #236 Ojoe

IMHO George W. Bush has shown the only wisdom of any political figure in this moronic controversy, by not getting into it.

Everyone involved is stupid, everyone, everyone.

And that's the last I'm going to say on any of these threads.

Are you saying that for you to say any more would be stupid?

263 Max  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:40:58pm

In keeping with my worship of evol lyin liers, I'm going to go read Karl Rove's book on my Kindle and fall asleep.

Good night all.

264 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:41:00pm

Image: 6049.jpg


Heh, poor Twilight guy cant get a rageboner :(

265 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:41:18pm

re: #169 Aceofwhat?

Fingers crossed for Condi...

She'd never run.

266 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:41:35pm

re: #172 Fozzie Bear

She used them.

And there were consequences.

267 Racer X  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:41:54pm
268 jaunte  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:42:15pm

re: #155 WindUpBird

Your standards for Obama are so much higher than your standards for Bush, it's breathtaking.

It's odd that some people's standards for an imam to denounce the denounceable are higher than those for an ex-President to support the constitutionally supportable.

269 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:42:29pm

re: #236 Ojoe

IMHO George W. Bush has shown the only wisdom of any political figure in this moronic controversy, by not getting into it.

Everyone involved is stupid, everyone, everyone.

And that's the last I'm going to say on any of these threads.

There was a thing I remember about evil triumphing and good men doing nothing, something like that

270 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:42:39pm

re: #266 SanFranciscoZionist

And there were consequences.

But she's a media personality, you can't hold her responsible for what she says!
//

271 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:42:53pm

re: #207 marjoriemoon

Heyas! How's it shakin?

Cheers! Great here, how are you? Ice-ski sends her best. :-)

272 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:43:02pm

re: #263 Max D. Reinhardt

In keeping with my worship of evol lyin liers, I'm going to go read Karl Rove's book on my Kindle and fall asleep.

Good night all.

Magnificent bastard. You read his book!

273 Ojoe  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:43:40pm

re: #262 Spare O'Lake

Yes. I've had it with this whole thing. The siting, the brou-ha-ha, the political maneuvering, all of it.

I'm signing off on this, no more clarification notes either.

274 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:43:44pm

re: #268 jaunte

It's odd that some people's standards for an imam to denounce the denounceable are higher than those for an ex-President to support the constitutionally supportable.

Funny how that works.


"Establishment clause? For it or against it?"

Bush: "meh."

"What about the Schiavo?"

Bush "FUCK WE HAVE TO SAVE HER, TO THE BATCAVE"

275 What, me worry?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:43:48pm

re: #271 Jimmah

Cheers! Great here, how are you? Ice-ski sends her best. :-)

Tell her "HoowDeee!" I miss you guys!

276 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:44:02pm

re: #269 WindUpBird

Yeah, Edmund Burke, the founder of modern conservatism.

277 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:44:12pm

re: #268 jaunte

It's odd that some people's standards for an imam to denounce the denounceable are higher than those for an ex-President to support the constitutionally supportable.

I don't recall him taking a constitutional position on this. Or any position for that matter...

278 webevintage  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:44:28pm

re: #263 Max D. Reinhardt

In keeping with my worship of evol lyin liers, I'm going to go read Karl Rove's book on my Kindle and fall asleep.

Good night all.

won't you have nightmares?

279 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:44:34pm

re: #276 TheMatrix31

Yeah, Edmund Burke, the founder of modern conservatism.

And wouldn't he be just pleased as punch at the GOP these days!

280 What, me worry?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:44:45pm

re: #274 WindUpBird

You're so very naughty.

281 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:45:24pm

re: #279 WindUpBird

And wouldn't he be just pleased as punch at the GOP these days!

I'm surprised they haven't hooked him up to a armature and used him to generate electricity.

282 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:45:26pm

Roland Martin on CNN is such a simp, with that stupid mocking perpetual phony grin plastered on his face.

283 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:45:31pm

re: #274 WindUpBird

Funny how that works.

"Establishment clause? For it or against it?"

Bush: "meh."

"What about the Schiavo?"

Bush "FUCK WE HAVE TO SAVE HER, TO THE BATCAVE"

Do you talk to invisible friends?

284 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:45:37pm

re: #280 marjoriemoon

You're so very naughty.

I'm a bad man

285 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:45:53pm

re: #279 WindUpBird

And wouldn't he be just pleased as punch at the GOP these days!

He'd probably give them -839495 internet points.

286 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:46:05pm

re: #273 Ojoe

Yes. I've had it with this whole thing. The siting, the brou-ha-ha, the political maneuvering, all of it.

I'm signing off on this, no more clarification notes either.

Gotcha!
;D

287 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:46:07pm

re: #283 The Shadow Do

Do you talk to invisible friends?

I'm talking to you guys, aren't I?

288 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:46:07pm

Not all images lower the tone of the internet. Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand points of light tiny wingnut heads exploding in the dark void.

It's that vision thing.

So shines the little candle in a naughty world.

289 What, me worry?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:46:10pm

re: #278 webevintage

won't you have nightmares?

Max is truly a wild and crazy guy. Going to places mere mortals would not tread.

290 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:46:43pm

re: #287 WindUpBird

I'm talking to you guys, aren't I?

Point!

291 What, me worry?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:47:08pm

re: #282 Spare O'Lake

Roland Martin on CNN is such a simp, with that stupid mocking perpetual phony grin plastered on his face.

OMG I can't stand him. Truly. He annoys the hell outa me.

And you could film IMAX on that head.

292 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:47:10pm

re: #283 The Shadow Do

Do you talk to invisible friends?

I think WUB is windsagio's invisible friend.

293 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:47:53pm

re: #292 reine.de.tout

I think WUB is windsagio's invisible friend.

We're visible to each other on the spirit realm

294 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:47:59pm

And a little off topic

Into the Wild fan dies trying to reach McCandless' bus

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

295 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:48:01pm

re: #289 marjoriemoon

Max is truly a wild and crazy guy. Going to places mere mortals would not tread.

But Max is no whiner.
Mega points in his favor.

296 austin_blue  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:48:18pm

Great Op Ed on the Mosque-rade:

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

This is the one group of Muslims who we should *invite* to build in an old Burlington Coat Factory in lower Manhattan.

297 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:48:22pm

re: #292 reine.de.tout

I think WUB is windsagio's invisible friend.

I have a feeling WUB is extremely visible.

298 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:48:29pm

re: #293 WindUpBird

We're visible to each other on the spirit realm

And we're off into one of those conversations I'll never understand . . .

299 HoosierHoops  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:48:31pm

I have an idea for this Winter..You know a Winter project in Oklahoma...I'm going to be so bored...
There is a good chance I have posted over 5,000 posts about My Dog Winston.. I have never had a pet in my life and you have got to admit there has been lots of funny posts about little Winston by me...
I think I'll write a funny book about Winston and me this winter...

300 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:48:36pm

re: #293 WindUpBird

We're visible to each other on the spirit realm plane.

FTFY.

301 Racer X  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:48:39pm

re: #282 Spare O'Lake

Roland Martin on CNN is such a simp, with that stupid mocking perpetual phony grin plastered on his face.

He catching any fish?

302 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:48:39pm

re: #169 Aceofwhat?

Fingers crossed for Condi...

Condi versus Obama would be an awesome race. I'd vote for Obama, but I certainly wouldn't be bent out of shape if Condi won.

303 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:48:55pm

re: #297 Fozzie Bear

I have a feeling WUB is extremely visible.

Oh, yeah, I do too.
I've seen the photos

304 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:49:18pm

re: #298 reine.de.tout

And we're off into one of those conversations I'll never understand . . .

I'm just making a joke

because stoners

and the uh... the astral travel and the Santana and the Hawkwind..

ah well :D

305 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:49:34pm

re: #299 HoosierHoops

I have an idea for this Winter..You know a Winter project in Oklahoma...I'm going to be so bored...
There is a good chance I have posted over 5,000 posts about My Dog Winston.. I have never had a pet in my life and you have got to admit there has been lots of funny posts about little Winston by me...
I think I'll write a funny book about Winston and me this winter...

Oh, you! You're not going to be bored.
You just think you're going to be bored.

306 Nervous Norvous  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:49:48pm

gnite all..

307 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:49:51pm

re: #304 WindUpBird

I'm just making a joke

because stoners

and the uh... the astral travel and the Santana and the Hawkwind..

ah well :D

See?
Whaddid I tell ya?

308 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:49:53pm

re: #303 reine.de.tout

Oh, yeah, I do too.
I've seen the photos

Oh in a couple weeks it'll be so much weirder

309 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:50:03pm

I would trust WUB to be my guide at burning man. In my imaginary trip, he would show me all the moderately freaky shit, and steer me clear of the frighteningly freaky shit.

310 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:50:18pm

re: #307 reine.de.tout

See?
Whaddid I tell ya?

Santana!

MY DAD listens to Santana!

311 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:50:19pm

re: #269 WindUpBird

There was a thing I remember about evil triumphing and good men doing nothing, something like that

What did Bill Clinton have to say about the Park51 project?

312 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:50:50pm

re: #236 Ojoe

IMHO George W. Bush has shown the only wisdom of any political figure in this moronic controversy, by not getting into it.

Everyone involved is stupid, everyone, everyone.

And that's the last I'm going to say on any of these threads.

It's curious how often wisdom and gutlessness intersect.

Has anybody asked Condoleezza opinion yet? In as much as he was sent under the auspices of her State Dept. one would think she might have a problem with the conservative retconning of her leadership.

313 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:51:29pm

re: #267 Racer X

Wrinkled Ladies


[Video]

I just posted that to my Facebook page, thanks.

314 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:51:58pm

re: #299 HoosierHoops

I have an idea for this Winter..You know a Winter project in Oklahoma...I'm going to be so bored...
There is a good chance I have posted over 5,000 posts about My Dog Winston.. I have never had a pet in my life and you have got to admit there has been lots of funny posts about little Winston by me...
I think I'll write a funny book about Winston and me this winter...

You really are a Nice Guy hoops. Hope no one ever tries to tell you different.

315 cliffster  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:52:05pm

re: #313 prairiefire

I just posted that to my Facebook page, thanks.

Ha! that's funny - so did I

316 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:52:19pm

Crap.

One load of dark laundry + 1 tissue left in a pocket = a load that has to be redone.


re: #313 prairiefire

I just posted that to my Facebook page, thanks.

I did too. That was too funny.

317 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:52:29pm

re: #225 Spare O'Lake

There is something very ugly on CNN right now.

?

318 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:52:35pm

re: #311 researchok

What did Bill Clinton have to say about the Park51 project?

I dunno! Anyone asked him?

319 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:52:53pm

I always like Condoleeza. She does, after all, have one of the most badass names ever.

Well, the second most badass name. Seriously, if you have that name, you have no excuse not to go into porn.

320 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:52:57pm

re: #309 Fozzie Bear

I would trust WUB to be my guide at burning man. In my imaginary trip, he would show me all the moderately freaky shit, and steer me clear of the frighteningly freaky shit.

Yeah, you know what?
I would too.

321 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:52:58pm

re: #309 Fozzie Bear

I would trust WUB to be my guide at burning man. In my imaginary trip, he would show me all the moderately freaky shit, and steer me clear of the frighteningly freaky shit.

I've gone a couple of times. Now unless you're spooked by naked people, there really isn't anything in Black Rock City that I'd consider to be "frightening." Really. Just my opinion though. Of course, I'm someone who occasionally attends Folsom without blinking an eye, and finds the Pride Parade a jolly good time.

322 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:53:00pm

Image: 315ifew.jpg

A special letter, for sure.

323 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:53:01pm

re: #309 Fozzie Bear

I would trust WUB to be my guide at burning man. In my imaginary trip, he would show me all the moderately freaky shit, and steer me clear of the frighteningly freaky shit.

In my imaginary trip he's my Samoan attorney, we pick up a hitchiker and I'm worried because it's only a matter of time before he sees the bats. :(

324 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:54:25pm

Evening Honcos.

325 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:54:33pm

re: #322 TheMatrix31

Image: 315ifew.jpg

A special letter, for sure.

hahaha o wow. o wow. Now that folks is comedy!

326 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:54:37pm

Forget Bush. I don't think he has the pull he used to have anyway. I'd rather Cheney said something (assuming he's physically able at the moment). I honestly think his voice would carry more weight.

Speaking of Cheney, has Liz said anything about this?

327 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:54:54pm

re: #321 eclectic infidel

I've gone a couple of times. Now unless you're spooked by naked people, there really isn't anything in Black Rock City that I'd consider to be "frightening." Really. Just my opinion though. Of course, I'm someone who occasionally attends Folsom without blinking an eye, and finds the Pride Parade a jolly good time.

I really want to see it some day. It sounds like a fucking blast.

328 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:55:06pm

re: #320 reine.de.tout

Yeah, you know what?
I would too.

You're too kind! But there's some truth to it, I try to stay on the slighty sane side of zany. At heart, I'm still a nerd who grew up in suburbia ;-)

There will be photos, though! Hopefully...if the desert doesn't eat my camera o_o

329 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:55:08pm

re: #312 goddamnedfrank

It's curious how often wisdom and gutlessness intersect.

Has anybody asked Condoleezza opinion yet? In as much as he was sent under the auspices of her State Dept. one would think she might have a problem with the conservative retconning of her leadership.

No comment. Same with Karen Hughes.

330 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:55:20pm

re: #317 SanFranciscoZionist

?

Pamela Geller was on, doing her 'sane and kind American' impression.

331 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:55:23pm

re: #325 McSpiff

**shrugs** I guess even people with "sticks up their ass" can laugh every now and again.

What a fantastic feeling, I never laugh otherwise.

332 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:55:53pm

re: #323 Jimmah

In my imaginary trip he's my Samoan attorney, we pick up a hitchiker and I'm worried because it's only a matter of time before he sees the bats. :(

I actually sorta look like the hitchhiker in the movie for FaLiLV (who is supposed to represent Steadman)

333 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:55:58pm

re: #312 goddamnedfrank

It's curious how often wisdom and gutlessness intersect.

Has anybody asked Condoleezza opinion yet? In as much as he was sent under the auspices of her State Dept. one would think she might have a problem with the conservative retconning of her leadership.

Good question. I'd love to hear from Condi...it's been so long since she was out there pissing me off every other day.

334 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:56:28pm

re: #328 WindUpBird

You're too kind! But there's some truth to it, I try to stay on the slighty sane side of zany. At heart, I'm still a nerd who grew up in suburbia ;-)

There will be photos, though! Hopefully...if the desert doesn't eat my camera o_o

Looking forward to seeing them!

335 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:56:30pm

re: #331 TheMatrix31

**shrugs** I guess even people with "sticks up their ass" can laugh every now and again.

What a fantastic feeling, I never laugh otherwise.

upding

336 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:56:44pm

I want to change my LGF name to MAGNUS JACKSON. (It must be typed in all caps and bolded, every time.)

337 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:56:45pm

re: #318 WindUpBird

I dunno! Anyone asked him?

No one asked Bush, either.

338 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:57:06pm

re: #324 Cannadian Club Akbar

Evening Honcos.

Evening, CCA.
Once again, your entrance timing is impeccable.

339 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:57:10pm

re: #317 SanFranciscoZionist

?

John Roberts was interviewing Pam Geller.
He's much prettier.

340 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:57:11pm

re: #321 eclectic infidel

I've gone a couple of times. Now unless you're spooked by naked people, there really isn't anything in Black Rock City that I'd consider to be "frightening." Really. Just my opinion though. Of course, I'm someone who occasionally attends Folsom without blinking an eye, and finds the Pride Parade a jolly good time.

I gotta do Folsom one of these years *_*

341 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:57:16pm

re: #322 TheMatrix31

Image: 315ifew.jpg

A special letter, for sure.

Fucking redemption. That's it, right there.

342 HoosierHoops  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:57:20pm

re: #305 reine.de.tout

Oh, you! You're not going to be bored.
You just think you're going to be bored.

Isn't it a great idea? A funny book about Winston and I? The problem with great pet stories is the dog always dies in the end..You know..The tear jerker story...I have posted thousands of posts about the joy Winston has brought to my house after the big Divorce..I'd like to gather those stories together for a book.. Hey..What if Tom Hanks reads the screen play and signs up for the movie? *wink*

343 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:57:26pm

re: #336 Fozzie Bear

I want to change my LGF name to MAGNUS JACKSON. (It must be typed in all caps and bolded, every time.)

MAX POWER!

344 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:58:17pm

re: #337 researchok

No one asked Bush, either.

uh:

TPM asked, and the response from his spokesman today was simple:

"President Bush has no comment."

345 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:58:18pm

re: #341 Stanley Sea

Fucking redemption. That's it, right there.

"Just when I thought you couldn't be any dumber.....you go out there.....and TOTALLLLLLLLLLY redeem yourself!"

346 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:58:50pm

re: #342 HoosierHoops

Isn't it a great idea? A funny book about Winston and I? The problem with great pet stories is the dog always dies in the end..You know..The tear jerker story...I have posted thousands of posts about the joy Winston has brought to my house after the big Divorce..I'd like to gather those stories together for a book.. Hey..What if Tom Hanks reads the screen play and signs up for the movie? *wink*

It would be a great book.
And I would buy a copy.

347 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:58:52pm

re: #345 TheMatrix31

See, it's not so bad, mr. formerly crankypants.

348 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:58:57pm

By the way, these new Cantina tacos are the closest Taco Bell has ever, and probably will ever, come to the real thing.

349 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:59:23pm

re: #344 WindUpBird

Image: 2156.jpg

I hope that's not your new costume for your next convention adventure :-/

350 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:59:41pm

re: #348 JasonA

By the way, these new Cantina tacos are the closest Taco Bell has ever, and probably will ever, come to the real thing.

What is on them?

351 austin_blue  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 7:59:46pm

re: #319 Fozzie Bear

I always like Condoleeza. She does, after all, have one of the most badass names ever.

Well, the second most badass name. Seriously, if you have that name, you have no excuse not to go into porn.

Dude, he died in 1891:

"Magnus! Jasmine! Hold that position for twelve seconds so I can get this shot on my glass plate! That is soooo sexy!"

352 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:00:16pm

re: #344 WindUpBird

uh:


So Bush is the bad guy- but why hasn't Clinton stepped forward? Or Hillary?

Or is there a difference when it comes to doing nothing?

353 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:00:43pm

re: #321 eclectic infidel

Did you do Thunderdome? I want to do Thunderdome, but I'm a spindly out-of shape guy and I don't want my BM experience to end with a 3 hour ambulance ride :D

354 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:00:46pm

re: #350 Cannadian Club Akbar

Hey, CCA, whassup? I'm on super duper penicillin pills, yet again, at the moment.

355 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:01:17pm

re: #350 Cannadian Club Akbar

What is on them?

Cilantro, onions, lime, and stuff.

356 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:01:45pm

re: #251 Cato the Elder

I love you.

I like the part where the eyeballs pop out.
I can just picture it.

357 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:01:51pm

re: #352 researchok

So Bush is the bad guy- but why hasn't Clinton stepped forward? Or Hillary?

Or is there a difference when it comes to doing nothing?

Neither Clinton ever hired Rauf to represent US pluralism in the middle east, Bush and Rice did.

358 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:01:57pm

re: #354 prairiefire

Hey, CCA, whassup? I'm on super duper penicillin pills, yet again, at the moment.

Sorry to hear that. Hope you feel better soon.:)

359 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:01:57pm

re: #329 Stanley Sea

No comment. Same with Karen Hughes.

They were both approached for comment. That wasn't just my opinion.

360 jaunte  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:02:02pm

re: #352 researchok

None of them have stepped up and done the right thing yet. It's a damn shame. They should all be held to account.

361 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:02:06pm

Oooo Dick Armey on Jon Stewart later tonight. I need popcorn.

362 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:02:08pm

OK. I'm done with politics, I'm done with arguing over politics, and I'm done with people who think arguing over politics accomplishes anything.

Forever.

Or until I recover.

I just strolled down to the local cigar shop to pick up a Java Maduro and whilst there was subjected to a teevee ad for a new show: "Keeping Up With the Kardashians".

I know just enough about those hoes to realize that this will not be a nice little uplifting show about how an Armenian family fights to keep up appearances and their jewellery shop in a Brooklyn neighborhood infested with Wal-Marts.

When the way being a notorious titty-monster plays out in this country is that people reward you with a teevee show and more money than Paris Hilton inherited, we are doomed. And Ignatius J. Reilly was right all along.

363 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:02:10pm

At Taco Bell, I like getting the large #2, because it'll be a large #2 after I eat it.

364 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:02:37pm

re: #352 researchok

So Bush is the bad guy- but why hasn't Clinton stepped forward? Or Hillary?

Or is there a difference when it comes to doing nothing?

Hillary is the Secretary of State, man.

And if Clinton was asked, and he said "no comment" yeah, i'd be furious with him. And I wouldn't put it past him to say no comment, either.

Bush is on the record as completely avoiding that shit. The rest is speculation.

365 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:02:46pm

re: #362 Cato the Elder

We know your promises stick, so I'm sad to hear you're giving it up for the time being.

366 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:02:50pm

re: #357 goddamnedfrank

Neither Clinton ever hired Rauf to represent US pluralism in the middle east, Bush and Rice did.

Oh STING

367 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:03:21pm

re: #357 goddamnedfrank

Neither Clinton ever hired Rauf to represent US pluralism in the middle east, Bush and Rice did.

How did Rauf do over there?

368 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:03:33pm

re: #329 Stanley Sea

No comment. Same with Karen Hughes.

Assistants for Karen Hughes and Condoleezza Rice declined to comment. We've also requested interviews with several other prominent Bush administration aides, including Colin Powell and James Glassman.

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

369 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:03:41pm

re: #361 JasonA

Oooo Dick Armey on Jon Stewart later tonight. I need popcorn.

Wow really? Good times!

370 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:03:43pm

re: #364 WindUpBird

What we really, really, really need is a voice of reason from the 'right' side of the aisle.

That is why Bush's non-response is disappointing.

371 cliffster  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:04:01pm

liberals' loony slips are showing...

372 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:04:27pm

re: #341 Stanley Sea

Opulence. I has it.

....but I also like sahvings the money, unlike our government.

373 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:04:47pm

re: #357 goddamnedfrank

Neither Clinton ever hired Rauf to represent US pluralism in the middle east, Bush and Rice did.

Yup. Damn that Bush.

/

374 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:05:22pm

re: #342 HoosierHoops

Isn't it a great idea? A funny book about Winston and I? The problem with great pet stories is the dog always dies in the end..You know..The tear jerker story...I have posted thousands of posts about the joy Winston has brought to my house after the big Divorce..I'd like to gather those stories together for a book.. Hey..What if Tom Hanks reads the screen play and signs up for the movie? *wink*

I just watched Julie & Julia.

Do a blog.

375 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:05:25pm

re: #342 HoosierHoops

Isn't it a great idea? A funny book about Winston and I? The problem with great pet stories is the dog always dies in the end..You know..The tear jerker story...I have posted thousands of posts about the joy Winston has brought to my house after the big Divorce..I'd like to gather those stories together for a book.. Hey..What if Tom Hanks reads the screen play and signs up for the movie? *wink*

Ain't it the truth. My daughter when she was little refused to go to any animal movies after the first couple we went to. They always die and make you cry damn it.

376 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:05:30pm

re: #370 Obdicut

What we really, really, really need is a voice of reason from the 'right' side of the aisle.

That is why Bush's non-response is disappointing.

I agree the non-response is disappointing.

But I suspect he's just plumb tired out, and doesn't want to be involved. Sad.

377 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:05:51pm

re: #367 Spare O'Lake

How did Rauf do over there?

In what respect Charlie?

378 freetoken  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:06:41pm

re: #362 Cato the Elder

When the way being a notorious titty-monster plays out in this country is that people reward you with a teevee show and more money than Paris Hilton inherited, we are doomed.


Breast implants are an important part of our economy. Think of the tens of thousands of jobs involved in the actual procedure if one looked at the whole country. Furthermore, think of the tens of thousands of jobs in Hollywood that would be lost if buxomly women were not available to entertain Americans.

Think of the economy, Cato...

379 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:06:44pm

re: #365 TheMatrix31

We know your promises stick, so I'm sad to hear you're giving it up for the time being.

I said I was giving up politics, for the time being.

I'm still here to wax your taint, though, if you need it.

380 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:06:50pm

re: #364 WindUpBird

Hillary is the Secretary of State, man.

And if Clinton was asked, and he said "no comment" yeah, i'd be furious with him. And I wouldn't put it past him to say no comment, either.

Bush is on the record as completely avoiding that shit. The rest is speculation.

So as long as Clinton isn't asked, you are OK with his not taking a position.

Interesting.

381 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:06:58pm

For the night crew and those who didn't see the earlier message, I spoke to Steve a few hours ago (I couldn't wait, I called him), and he is alive, operation went fine, he's heavily drugged and enjoying all the visitors to his room (imaginary visitors) and you can get a little more info on Reine's page for Steve at...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

382 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:06:58pm

re: #369 WindUpBird

Image: 2804.jpg

Glowsticks and the eye-mask....whattya say?!

383 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:07:09pm

re: #323 Jimmah

In my imaginary trip he's my Samoan attorney, we pick up a hitchiker and I'm worried because it's only a matter of time before he sees the bats. :(

We could call it "Fear and Loathing in Aberdeen". :D

384 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:07:14pm

re: #373 researchok

Yup. Damn that Bush.

/

Good to see Bush stand up for the guy which his administration hired and who is now being smeared with every lying psychotic bigot redneck accusation that could possibly stick to anyone who's stepped inside a mosque.

Yee-haw! I gotta hat for muh heda and a hat for muh knee!

385 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:07:16pm

re: #379 Cato the Elder

No thanks, I've got others lining up for that position. Thanks a lot though, bro!

386 austin_blue  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:07:21pm

re: #376 reine.de.tout

I agree the non-response is disappointing.

But I suspect he's just plumb tired out, and doesn't want to be involved. Sad.

Oh, yes, the Social Scene in Preston Hollow is exhausting!

387 justaminute  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:07:44pm

Hi everyone! Over the past week your speaking out on the unfairness shown to the Muslims over the Park51 and Imam Feisal Rauf makes me happy I joined LGF. Before I married a Muslim, I was a white good ol' girl from Oklahoma, I was not really prepared to face the discrimination. I'm kinda beat down with it after 29 years and I'm glad after reading your posts the past week, that some people have your back on these issues. Thanks

388 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:07:45pm

re: #383 Dark_Falcon

We could call it "Fear and Loathing in Aberdeen". :D

Aberdeen Washington...NOT A FUN PLACE

389 What, me worry?  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:07:47pm

re: #312 goddamnedfrank

It's curious how often wisdom and gutlessness intersect.

Has anybody asked Condoleezza opinion yet? In as much as he was sent under the auspices of her State Dept. one would think she might have a problem with the conservative retconning of her leadership.

I think she was last seen playing the piano with Aretha Franklin.

Took me awhile to find that!

I think Condi is probably enjoying her life now as a private citizen.

390 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:07:48pm

re: #376 reine.de.tout

I agree the non-response is disappointing.

But I suspect he's just plumb tired out, and doesn't want to be involved. Sad.

I am also very disappointed in Olympia Snowe. I would have voted for her over Obama. Now it's like she's not there.

I know that the party has effectively sidelined her-- doesn't mean she has to put up with that.

391 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:07:55pm

re: #367 Spare O'Lake

How did Rauf do over there?

He's still there. I'm sure talking all about the tolerance of America.

392 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:08:04pm

Image: 1990.jpg

Plastic smiles for Los Angeles citizens.

393 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:08:13pm

re: #362 Cato the Elder

OK. I'm done with politics, I'm done with arguing over politics, and I'm done with people who think arguing over politics accomplishes anything.

Forever.

Or until I recover.

I just strolled down to the local cigar shop to pick up a Java Maduro and whilst there was subjected to a teevee ad for a new show: "Keeping Up With the Kardashians".

I know just enough about those hoes to realize that this will not be a nice little uplifting show about how an Armenian family fights to keep up appearances and their jewellery shop in a Brooklyn neighborhood infested with Wal-Marts.

When the way being a notorious titty-monster plays out in this country is that people reward you with a teevee show and more money than Paris Hilton inherited, we are doomed. And Ignatius J. Reilly was right all along.

I'm sick to death of these shows about pointless people and their shallow, empty lives.

Dog the Bounty Hunter - now there's a show!

394 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:08:28pm

re: #380 researchok

So as long as Clinton isn't asked, you are OK with his not taking a position.

Interesting.

I'm sorry the guy who runs the blog disagrees with you and you're feeling all defensive

Maybe you should take it out on him instead of me, huh?

395 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:08:32pm

re: #377 goddamnedfrank

In what respect Charlie?

If you don't know that's okay.

396 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:08:45pm

re: #342 HoosierHoops

Isn't it a great idea? A funny book about Winston and I? The problem with great pet stories is the dog always dies in the end..You know..The tear jerker story...I have posted thousands of posts about the joy Winston has brought to my house after the big Divorce..I'd like to gather those stories together for a book.. Hey..What if Tom Hanks reads the screen play and signs up for the movie? *wink*

Just don't call it "Winston and I". It may be grammatical, but after "Marley and Me" it sounds prissy.

Otherwise, go for it.

I'm working on one about Haku. Wanna race?

397 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:10:57pm

Image: 1644.jpg

Oh noes.

398 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:11:20pm

re: #384 WindUpBird

Good to see Bush stand up for the guy which his administration hired and who is now being smeared with every lying psychotic bigot redneck accusation that could possibly stick to anyone who's stepped inside a mosque.

Yee-haw! I gotta hat for muh heda and a hat for muh knee!

You aren't exactly being truthful here.

As I noted earlier, It isn't as if Bush's opinions on Islam are unknown or have been left unsaid.

Anything he might say now will only inflame the situation and cause even more division. Further, by endorsing the project, there are those who might use that to fan an imaginary disagreement on the matter between him and the President as well as the Democrats that have 'folded'.

There is a reason he is being ignored by the right and the wingnuts on the park51 project. Where he stands on Islam, moderate Muslims and religious freedoms are well known. It is not hard to divine where he stands on the subject.

On the other hand, Clinton's stand remains a mystery.

399 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:12:34pm

re: #391 Stanley Sea

He's still there. I'm sure talking all about the tolerance of America.

Where?

400 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:12:37pm

re: #398 researchok

I'd imagine that having a wife who's also the Secretary of State complicates things somewhat. Just a stray thought.

401 austin_blue  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:12:42pm

re: #387 justaminute

Hi everyone! Over the past week your speaking out on the unfairness shown to the Muslims over the Park51 and Imam Feisal Rauf makes me happy I joined LGF. Before I married a Muslim, I was a white good ol' girl from Oklahoma, I was not really prepared to face the discrimination. I'm kinda beat down with it after 29 years and I'm glad after reading your posts the past week, that some people have your back on these issues. Thanks

Gasp!!

Are you a foreign-born, half-breed Seekrit Moozlim like our illegitimate President?!?!?!

Ohmygaw!!!!

We are doomed!!!

402 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:12:48pm

re: #376 reine.de.tout

I agree the non-response is disappointing.

But I suspect he's just plumb tired out, and doesn't want to be involved. Sad.

Bush got beat on worse than Clinton. He had a very stressful time in office and I agree that it sapped out most of his will and drive. George W. Bush is a tired old man who wants to be left alone in peace.

403 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:13:27pm

re: #387 justaminute

{{justaminute}}

404 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:13:35pm

re: #402 Dark_Falcon

Good for him, he deserves it.

Ungrateful fucks on both sides hammered him into not saying anything on this. Good--for--him.

405 austin_blue  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:13:37pm

re: #397 TheMatrix31

Image: 1644.jpg

Oh noes.

Ah, Klub Kidz...

406 sagehen  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:13:39pm

re: #7 researchok

I think he was right not to say anything.

It isn't as if his opinions on Islam are unknown or have been left unsaid. Anything he might say now will only inflame the situation and cause even more division embarrass Sarah Palin and damage Republicans' midterm prospects. Further, by endorsing the project, there are those who might use that to fan an imaginary disagreement on the matter between him and the President as well as the Democrats that have 'folded' highlight what cynical and opportunistic rabble-rousers the tea party backers are.

There is a reason he is being ignored by the right and the wingnuts on the park51 project. Where he stands on Islam, moderate Muslims and religious freedoms are well known. It is not hard to divine where he stands on the subject.not in keeping with the narrative the GOP is pushing.

ftfy

407 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:13:43pm

Every dog deserves a book. Lovable dopes every one. I have had many dogs (have four now) and each is unique and fun in its own quirky way. Wouldn't it be great to not take life so seriously sometimes? Feed me, scratch my belly, toss my ball...shake, sit, roll over, dance? Hell yes let's do it, over and over and over again. Woof woof!

408 HoosierHoops  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:13:50pm

re: #396 Cato the Elder

Just don't call it "Winston and I". It may be grammatical, but after "Marley and Me" it sounds prissy.

Otherwise, go for it.

I'm working on one about Haku. Wanna race?

I'm thinking to direct the story line as a children's book..I really have an idea about all my funny Winston stories as a kids book...

409 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:14:10pm

re: #393 reine.de.tout

I'm sick to death of these shows about pointless people and their shallow, empty lives.

Dog the Bounty Hunter - now there's a show!

Amen to that! Dog has a purpose, and he's a mensch. Love him to death. Seriously.

And seriously, did you ever read "A Confederacy of Dunces" by John Kennedy Toole? It's set in Nawleens, with a flashback to Baton Rouge, and it's one of the few books in my life that I've read more than ten times and that makes me nearly puke laughing every time I read it.

Sheer genius.

410 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:14:13pm

re: #394 WindUpBird

I'm sorry the guy who runs the blog disagrees with you and you're feeling all defensive

Maybe you should take it out on him instead of me, huh?

What am I taking out on you?

Charles noted his disappointment with Bus's not making a statement. He did not excoriate him. In fact, on more than one occasion CJ has made a point of referring to Bush's support of moderate Muslims, tolerance and his defense of Islam.

411 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:14:18pm

re: #395 Spare O'Lake

If you don't know that's okay.

Seriously, in what respect, exactly which observable metrics are you looking for?

How do you measure an individual's representation of pluralism? Is he supposed to single handedly reverse the effect that the Abu Ghraib photos had on pubic opinion?

If you don't know that's okay.

412 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:14:51pm

re: #406 sagehen

ftfy

Anything substantive to add?

413 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:15:10pm

re: #348 JasonA

By the way, these new Cantina tacos are the closest Taco Bell has ever, and probably will ever, come to the real thing.

I'll eat Taco Bell and so will my Mexican wife....... we never confuse it for Mexican food, cilantro or no.

414 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:15:15pm

Well, there go my plans to sell ""What would G.W.B. Do?" bumper stickers and T-shirts. Dammit George you have let me down again... :(

415 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:15:57pm

If I'm gonna ask an ex-pres for an opinion, I'm gonna ask Jimmy. Cat's full of opinions. I'll bet his take would be a winner.

416 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:15:59pm

re: #399 Spare O'Lake

Where?

The ME. 2nd trip.

417 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:16:01pm

re: #413 Mr Pancakes

I'll eat Taco Bell and so will my Mexican wife... we never confuse it for Mexican food, cilantro or no.

I love a good tamale.

418 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:16:14pm

re: #367 Spare O'Lake

How did Rauf do over there?

Well, it obviously didn't go THAT badly.

419 AmeriDan  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:16:49pm

re: #409 Cato the Elder

Wonderfully funny book.

420 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:17:19pm

re: #418 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, it obviously didn't go THAT badly.

Apparently the world ended and nobody noticed.

421 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:17:40pm

re: #413 Mr Pancakes

I'll eat Taco Bell and so will my Mexican wife... we never confuse it for Mexican food, cilantro or no.

Heh. As I said, "closest."

422 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:17:46pm

re: #400 JasonA

I'd imagine that having a wife who's also the Secretary of State complicates things somewhat. Just a stray thought.

Maybe, maybe not.

I suspect there might be some political machinations to consider.

423 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:17:48pm

re: #402 Dark_Falcon

Bush got beat on worse than Clinton. He had a very stressful time in office and I agree that it sapped out most of his will and drive. George W. Bush is a tired old man who wants to be left alone in peace.

Dude... which one was impeached for things that unquestionably had nothing to do with his performance in his duties as president?

I agree, Bush was the object of some pretty unhinged rage, but lets not pretend that there was a pretty widely-accepted (on the right) conspiracy theory that Clinton had people killed as governor. Entire media outlets were created to tar the man.

Similar things happened with Bush, to be sure. But lets not forget that.

On a slightly different note, I am irritated that Bush won't even say a single word on the subject, and he worked with the Imam in question when he was president. He paid him as an adviser. That's not just staying quiet, that's throwing him under the bus.

424 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:18:01pm

re: #411 goddamnedfrank

Seriously, in what respect, exactly which observable metrics are you looking for?

How do you measure an individual's representation of pluralism? Is he supposed to single handedly reverse the effect that the Abu Ghraib photos had on pubic opinion?

If you don't know that's okay.

I honestly don't know what he actually did and whether it was worthwhile. Is there any press coverage of any of his overseas work? Any government reports on it? Anything at all?

425 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:18:08pm

re: #421 JasonA

Heh. As I said, "closest."

I know.... I'm in agreement with you.

426 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:18:09pm

Image: 2815.jpg

What a baller man. Shot caller. Definitely a gangsta, maybe even of love!

/Mauriiiiiiice.

427 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:18:57pm

re: #423 Fozzie Bear

I wish we could compare "under the bus" counts for Presidents.

428 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:18:57pm

re: #415 The Shadow Do

If I'm gonna ask an ex-pres for an opinion, I'm gonna ask Jimmy. Cat's full of opinions. I'll bet his take would be a winner.

His daughter is a New Yorker and his son has high political ambitions. Don't hold your breath.

429 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:19:00pm

re: #416 Stanley Sea

The ME. 2nd trip.

Any coverage? I haven't seen anything.

430 MPH  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:19:08pm

The fact that so many activists are demanding to know where lawmakers stand on this issue means they are seeking a legal remedy, contrary to professed beliefs in the first amendment.

Bush's decision to stay out of the fray is the only honorable one and I respect the hell out of it.

431 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:19:34pm

re: #387 justaminute

Hi everyone! Over the past week your speaking out on the unfairness shown to the Muslims over the Park51 and Imam Feisal Rauf makes me happy I joined LGF. Before I married a Muslim, I was a white good ol' girl from Oklahoma, I was not really prepared to face the discrimination. I'm kinda beat down with it after 29 years and I'm glad after reading your posts the past week, that some people have your back on these issues. Thanks

{justaminute}
Hey.
Let me tell you a post 9/11 story from the backwoods of Louisiana.

The newspaper at some point went out after 9/11 and did some stories about some of the local Muslim business owners.

There was one story about a man who owned a restaurant, a small one. It's not in Baton Rouge, but one of the small towns around us.

They asked him about his post 9/11 experience.

He said the day after 9/11, he was very nervous, but went in and opened up his restaurant as usual, not knowing what to expect.

So his regular customers started coming in - and coming in - and coming in - and coming in.

He had one of his busiest days ever.

There are many idiots around. There are also a lot of good people, too, who know what the right thing is, and they will rally when necessary.

Glad you're here at LGF.

432 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:19:37pm

re: #423 Fozzie Bear

PIMF...

Dude... which one was impeached for things that unquestionably had nothing to do with his performance in his duties as president?

I agree, Bush was the object of some pretty unhinged rage, but lets not pretend that there was wasn't a pretty widely-accepted (on the right) conspiracy theory that Clinton had people killed as governor. Entire media outlets were created to tar the man.

Similar things happened with Bush, to be sure. But lets not forget that.

On a slightly different note, I am irritated that Bush won't even say a single word on the subject, and he worked with the Imam in question when he was president. He paid him as an adviser. That's not just staying quiet, that's throwing him under the bus.

433 Racer X  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:20:26pm

re: #376 reine.de.tout

I agree the non-response is disappointing.

But I suspect he's just plumb tired out, and doesn't want to be involved. Sad.

I think Bush is sick of the drama (like many of us). He has been busy lately helping out in Haiti. Much, much more important IMO.

434 austin_blue  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:21:19pm

Good night, all. Sweet dreams and play nice.

435 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:21:31pm

re: #433 Racer X

I think Bush is sick of the drama (like many of us). He has been busy lately helping out in Haiti. Much, much more important IMO.

Good point- and the same applies to Clinton.

They have done some great work together.

436 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:21:42pm

re: #397 TheMatrix31

Image: 1644.jpg

Oh noes.

A cigarette is definitely a good accessory for that shot.

437 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:22:00pm

re: #430 MPH

The fact that so many activists are demanding to know where lawmakers stand on this issue means they are seeking a legal remedy, contrary to professed beliefs in the first amendment.

Bush's decision to stay out of the fray is the only honorable one and I respect the hell out of it.

How about the legality of the US Constitution?

438 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:22:16pm

re: #409 Cato the Elder

Amen to that! Dog has a purpose, and he's a mensch. Love him to death. Seriously.

And seriously, did you ever read "A Confederacy of Dunces" by John Kennedy Toole? It's set in Nawleens, with a flashback to Baton Rouge, and it's one of the few books in my life that I've read more than ten times and that makes me nearly puke laughing every time I read it.

Sheer genius.

Yes, I've read "Confederacy of Dunces". Love it. I know all of the places he talks about, I can picture every scene, every person in my head.

And Dog - actually, as trashy as he is, his life has a purpose and a good one; he and his wife and his family are devoted and would do anything for each other; and there doesn't seem to be a selfish bone in the bunch. Unlike the Real Housewives of wherever.

439 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:22:48pm

re: #381 Walter L. Newton

For the night crew and those who didn't see the earlier message, I spoke to Steve a few hours ago (I couldn't wait, I called him), and he is alive, operation went fine, he's heavily drugged and enjoying all the visitors to his room (imaginary visitors) and you can get a little more info on Reine's page for Steve at...

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Damn.

Good drugs.

I could use some of those right about now.

As for imaginary visitors, just allow me to quote a scene from "Firefly":

Jayne: You know what the chain of command is? It's the chain I go get and beat you with till you understand who's in ruttin' command here! Now we're finishing this deal, and then maybe, maybe we'll come back for those morons... got themselves caught... and you can't change that by getting all... bendy.

Wash: All what?

Jayne: You got the light... from the console to keep you... lifting you up... they shine like... [starts grabbing at the air] little angels...

[Jayne falls flat on the floor [because Simon gave him a Mickey Finn to keep him from taking over the ship].]

Wash: Did he just go crazy and fall asleep?

Simon: I told him to sit down.

[from "The Train Job"]

440 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:22:50pm

re: #429 Spare O'Lake

Any coverage? I haven't seen anything.

The only coverage so far was the OMG the State Department is paying for his trip !leventy. Fox, of course.

441 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:23:01pm

re: #433 Racer X

I think Bush is sick of the drama (like many of us). He has been busy lately helping out in Haiti. Much, much more important IMO.

It takes 5 minutes to sit down and craft a short statement on the issue. It's important enough to take 5 minutes to stand up for a former associate and adviser, and to stand up for religious freedom and against bigotry.

442 justaminute  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:23:17pm

re: #401 austin_blue

Gasp!!

Are you a foreign-born, half-breed Seekrit Moozlim like our illegitimate President?!?!?!

Ohmygaw!!!

We are doomed!!!

Yes, I am. But not so secret. But it's Ramadan and it's my favorite memories of the ME. One of the things I admired that Muslims who had nothing would fast and use the money that they did not spend on food for the month would give it to people that were poorer than them. Husband doesn't fast but we gave money to the Pakistan victims effort. It makes you feel good.

443 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:24:01pm

re: #439 Cato the Elder

Damn.

Good drugs.

I could use some of those right about now.

I have a drug problem.... I don't have any.

444 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:24:22pm

re: #409 Cato the Elder

re: #438 reine.de.tout

Dog is a total dork, but you have to love the guy. He really has his heart in the right place.

445 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:24:30pm

re: #430 MPH

The fact that so many activists are demanding to know where lawmakers stand on this issue means they are seeking a legal remedy, contrary to professed beliefs in the first amendment.

Bush's decision to stay out of the fray is the only honorable one and I respect the hell out of it.

Or he could point out that:

The activists against the mosque are taking a stand against the rights of Americans to worship freely on privately owned land that was approved for this use by a local jurisdiction. To be opposed to it for any reason is to be opposed to absolute core American principles of liberty. It is not just the First Amendment in play here. It is property rights and State's rights as well.

For any American official to be opposed to this issue is a national disgrace. There is no question here. There is no grey zone. This is as cut and dried a question of American liberty as it comes.

No American official or politician should be opposed to the cornerstone principles of this Republic. It is an utter betrayal on their part based on generating unfounded bigotry for their own ends. It is craven, calculating, repulsive and anti-American to its core.

He could point that out - like someone who cared about American values and liberties might. But, he is too craven to do so.

446 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:24:33pm

re: #441 Fozzie Bear

It takes 5 minutes to sit down and craft a short statement on the issue. It's important enough to take 5 minutes to stand up for a former associate and adviser, and to stand up for religious freedom and against bigotry.

You're right... Harry Reid managed to say what he wanted to say in two sentences :)

447 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:24:38pm

re: #428 researchok

His daughter is a New Yorker and his son has high political ambitions. Don't hold your breath.

OY

448 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:24:44pm

re: #441 Fozzie Bear

Meh. Fuck it. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesnt. I'd tell everyone to fuck off too.

449 cliffster  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:24:53pm

re: #441 Fozzie Bear

It takes 5 minutes to sit down and craft a short statement on the issue. It's important enough to take 5 minutes to stand up for a former associate and adviser, and to stand up for religious freedom and against bigotry.

yes, and can you BELIEVE that Obama didn't go to that boy scout thing? omg, they totally don't make presidents like they used to

450 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:25:02pm

re: #440 Stanley Sea

The only coverage so far was the OMG the State Department is paying for his trip !leventy. Fox, of course.

Is it possible that Bush has nothing good to say about his actual work and that's why he's keeping mum?

451 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:25:20pm
“President Bush has no comment.”


Good call GWB. Stay out of the spotlight. Whatever he'd say would create a controverspiracy anyway.

452 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:25:26pm

re: #436 eclectic infidel

I'd prefer some glowsticks and some really expensive, cool shoes though. Cigarette would be nice.

453 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:25:42pm

re: #450 Spare O'Lake

Is it possible that Bush has nothing good to say about his actual work and that's why he's keeping mum?

You think Bush hand picked this guy? Lol....

454 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:25:57pm

Yikes, I hope I didn't quote a troll again. Sleeper trolls catch me unawares.

455 cliffster  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:26:07pm

re: #449 cliffster

yes, and can you BELIEVE that Obama didn't go to that boy scout thing? omg, they totally don't make presidents like they used to

I just pulled out my Ouija board and consulted with taft. he didn't say shit about this. what a dick. ghost dick.

456 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:26:37pm

re: #450 Spare O'Lake

Is it possible that Bush has nothing good to say about his actual work and that's why he's keeping mum?

Oh geeze, you are just dancing around again, just asking questions.

Just say it Spare, out loud.

457 sagehen  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:26:38pm

re: #119 LudwigVanQuixote

I apologize in advance for the word. No sexism is intended.

But the problem facing this country is that the Dems are utter pussies, while the GOP fights strongly for evil positions.

Spineless is a suitable gender neutral charcterization.

just sayin'.

458 jaunte  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:26:44pm

re: #445 LudwigVanQuixote

Good post.


The activists against the mosque are taking a stand against the rights of Americans to worship freely on privately owned land that was approved for this use by a local jurisdiction. To be opposed to it for any reason is to be opposed to absolute core American principles of liberty. It is not just the First Amendment in play here. It is property rights and State's rights as well.

For any American official to be opposed to this issue is a national disgrace.

That goes for both parties.

459 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:26:56pm

re: #455 cliffster

I just pulled out my Ouija board and consulted with taft. he didn't say shit about this. what a dick. ghost dick.

Taft is most definitely a bigot.

460 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:27:39pm

re: #446 Walter L. Newton

You're right... Harry Reid managed to say what he wanted to say in two sentences :)

Exactly. Too bad Harry had to go and prove that he truly does not possess a spine. I can't imagine the disappointment of voters who are going to have to choose between Angle and Reid in the ballot box. This really is the Giant Douchebag vs. Turd Sandwich situation.

461 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:28:30pm

re: #383 Dark_Falcon

We could call it "Fear and Loathing in Aberdeen". :D

An actual film featuring lead role characters from Aberdeen. Probably the only one of its kind (comes highly recommended but I haven't seen it yet - ice-ski and I will be checking it out shortly):

[Link: www.stirtonproductions.com...]

462 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:28:40pm

re: #424 Spare O'Lake

I honestly don't know what he actually did and whether it was worthwhile. Is there any press coverage of any of his overseas work? Any government reports on it? Anything at all?

How about the fact that he went at all and appears to have been completely earnest about it. For a man who's pretty clear on not wanting to become a target, acting as a sort of quasi-official representative of the US State Dept. in the ME wasn't the safest play imaginable. Here's a video of him speaking at Davos in 2006, thanks to abolitionist from yesterday. Rauf talks about opposing calls for boycotts of Israel (The whole video is an hour long, but the section in question starts at 11:00 and goes to 17:45):

463 GPS2008  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:28:57pm

Bush has stayed out of pretty much everything in this presidency.
I don't see why it is such a surprise that he has no comment on this.
Sorry if someone else already mentioned this.

464 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:29:00pm

re: #451 Mich-again

Good call GWB. Stay out of the spotlight. Whatever he'd say would create a controverspiracy anyway.

It used to be that former Presidents stayed silent, almost always, on matters that might be politically sensitive when the next Presidents were in office. That sort of went by the wayside at some point, but it's not actually a bad practice, IMO.

465 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:29:04pm

re: #456 Stanley Sea

Oh geeze, you are just dancing around again, just asking questions.

Just say it Spare, out loud.

Nope, I'm done with it...for now. I guess I'll have to Google the shit out of it myself.

466 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:29:20pm

George ain't takin to any soapbox. He's retired, really. A little philanthropy, a trip to the ballpark, that's about it. Good for him.

467 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:29:47pm

re: #460 Fozzie Bear

Exactly. Too bad Harry had to go and prove that he truly does not possess a spine. I can't imagine the disappointment of voters who are going to have to choose between Angle and Reid in the ballot box. This really is the Giant Douchebag vs. Turd Sandwich situation.

The whole elite political class has become Giant Douchebags on one side of the aisle and Turd Sandwiches on the other.

468 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:30:16pm

Image: 3936.jpg

lulz, that outfit roxors

469 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:30:17pm

re: #465 Spare O'Lake

Nope, I'm done with it...for now. I guess I'll have to Google the shit out of it myself.

See GoddamnedFrank's video above.

470 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:30:39pm

re: #463 GPS2008

Bush has stayed out of pretty much everything in this presidency.
I don't see why it is such a surprise that he has no comment on this.
Sorry if someone else already mentioned this.

What an odd statement. I thought he was a bloodthirsty warmonger busy murdering millions for Halliburton.

471 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:30:47pm

re: #452 TheMatrix31

..Cigarette would be nice.

I wish you could buy single smokes instead of having to buy a whole pack. I like a cowboy killer every now and then.

472 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:30:58pm

Oh shit, Geller inerview replay on CNN again.

473 Cannadian Club Akbar  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:31:13pm

Alright, it's pizza time. See ya'll tomorrow.

474 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:32:07pm

re: #448 TheMatrix31

Meh. Fuck it. He's damned if he does and damned if he doesnt. I'd tell everyone to fuck off too.

How is he damned if he does?

He's got a pension for life, and he's building a library he will need someone else to read to him.

What else has he got to do but the right thing?

475 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:32:22pm

re: #473 Cannadian Club Akbar

Alright, it's pizza time. See ya'll tomorrow.

Cannadian Bacon with Pineapple Club Akbar....... enjoy!

476 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:32:26pm

re: #464 reine.de.tout

It used to be that former Presidents stayed silent, almost always, on matters that might be politically sensitive when the next Presidents were in office. That sort of went by the wayside at some point, but it's not actually a bad practice, IMO.

True, but presidents have at times come out to back the current president up, to throw him some support on a particular issue. This issue is above politics. If "is islam bad yes/no?" becomes a partisan political issue, we really have hit a new low.

477 prairiefire  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:32:31pm

re: #444 Fozzie Bear

re: #438 reine.de.tout

Dog is a total dork, but you have to love the guy. He really has his heart in the right place.

That show is very Hawaii. "Bra, stay away from the meth, do your time and do right by your family. I love ya, Bra."

478 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:32:54pm
479 justaminute  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:32:58pm

re: #431 reine.de.tout

Thanks for that story. It seem like there has been something going on our entire marriage. First it was the Iranian hostage crisis, then the OKC bombing (before McVeigh) and then 9/11 and now this. I always knew it was out there but when people get to know you, they have second thoughts on their preconceived notions. Then you meet people like you guys!

480 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:33:30pm

re: #474 Cato the Elder

He doesn't want to hear the dumbfucks say things. You know, like how you feel about me.

481 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:34:18pm

re: #461 Jimmah

An actual film featuring lead role characters from Aberdeen. Probably the only one of its kind (comes highly recommended but I haven't seen it yet - ice-ski and I will be checking it out shortly):

[Link: www.stirtonproductions.com...]

Since you failed to answer my last two posts about her current location and well-being, I must assume you are hiding something.

[seriously Cato in Baltimore just wants to say hi to her and thank her for this and that - could you relay the message?]

482 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:35:00pm

Why shouild we expect a recent ex-president to have any sort of current interest in politics, or any principles that might lead him to speak out on some seriously fucked up shit that's happening in his country? Seriously folks, get a grip/

483 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:35:03pm

re: #449 cliffster

yes, and can you BELIEVE that Obama didn't go to that boy scout thing? omg, they totally don't make presidents like they used to

A brewing religious animosity in America is just a tad more important than the boy scout jamboree, no?

484 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:35:17pm

re: #463 GPS2008

Bush has stayed out of pretty much everything in this presidency.
I don't see why it is such a surprise that he has no comment on this.
Sorry if someone else already mentioned this.

He stayed out of pretty much everything in his presidency, too.

Happens when you're a puppet.

485 Mich-again  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:35:47pm

re: #470 The Shadow Do

What an odd statement. I thought he was a bloodthirsty warmonger busy murdering millions for Halliburton.


Nope, he went from Dr. Evil to Forrest Gump.

486 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:36:00pm

re: #484 Cato the Elder

Yeah it was all ChenfeldMcHalliroveton running the show.

487 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:36:10pm

re: #466 The Shadow Do

George ain't takin to any soapbox. He's retired, really. A little philanthropy, a trip to the ballpark, that's about it. Good for him.

Nice gig, if you can get it after only eight years of serious "work" in your life...

488 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:36:49pm

re: #482 Jimmah

Why shouild we expect a recent ex-president to have any sort of current interest in politics, or any principles that might lead him to speak out on some seriously fucked up shit that's happening in his country? Seriously folks, get a grip/

You mean unlike Jimmah Carter, fuckwad extraordinaire?

489 Nimed  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:38:23pm

Bush remains pretty toxic, so I doubt he could change a lot of minds if he decided to speak out either for or against the mosque.

490 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:38:27pm

re: #487 Cato the Elder

Seriously, and before that "serious work", he only "worked" like a year and a half voting present mostly.

Oh shit, I think I'm getting mixed up again.

Theze politics are teh confuzing!

491 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:38:51pm

re: #481 Cato the Elder

Since you failed to answer my last two posts about her current location and well-being, I must assume you are hiding something.

[seriously Cato in Baltimore just wants to say hi to her and thank her for this and that - could you relay the message?]

Ice-ski is quite safe, sound asleep here in Scotland at the moment. She told me to say "Hi" last time she was conscious though!

492 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:38:53pm

At this point in my estimation of things, you could make a shit sandwich out of Carter and Bushbaby as the bread with dogshit in the middle and I'd throw away the bread and eat the dogshit.

493 webevintage  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:38:54pm

re: #482 Jimmah

Why shouild we expect a recent ex-president to have any sort of current interest in politics, or any principles that might lead him to speak out on some seriously fucked up shit that's happening in his country? Seriously folks, get a grip/

Hey, I hope Ice is doing well...I was attacked by a kitchen utensil this weekend too....

494 jayzee  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:39:04pm

Bush hasn't defended himself against any of the obscene allegations made against him and his administration, nor has he spoken up on any political issue since leaving office-I see nothing wrong with him not involving himself in this. This is pure politics at this point in time. Legally, the government can't and won't do anything. The only thing politicians can do with this issue is posture. Christie was correct in his assessment.

495 researchok  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:39:46pm

re: #482 Jimmah

Why shouild we expect a recent ex-president to have any sort of current interest in politics, or any principles that might lead him to speak out on some seriously fucked up shit that's happening in his country? Seriously folks, get a grip/

Bush's defense and stand on Islam and tolerance is well known.

496 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:39:50pm

re: #487 Cato the Elder

Nice gig, if you can get it after only eight years of serious "work" in your life...

Yeah, I'm a little jealous too.

497 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:40:27pm

re: #480 TheMatrix31

He doesn't want to hear the dumbfucks say things. You know, like how you feel about me.

So, he's a bigger wuss than you are?

My, my.

498 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:40:48pm

re: #423 Fozzie Bear

Dude... which one was impeached for things that unquestionably had nothing to do with his performance in his duties as president?

I agree, Bush was the object of some pretty unhinged rage, but lets not pretend that there was a pretty widely-accepted (on the right) conspiracy theory that Clinton had people killed as governor. Entire media outlets were created to tar the man.

Similar things happened with Bush, to be sure. But lets not forget that.

On a slightly different note, I am irritated that Bush won't even say a single word on the subject, and he worked with the Imam in question when he was president. He paid him as an adviser. That's not just staying quiet, that's throwing him under the bus.

What good could he do? All he'd accomplish would be to make his party look bad, and he won't do that. He's a loyal party man, like his father before him.

499 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:42:02pm

re: #498 Dark_Falcon

What good could he do? All he'd accomplish would be to make his party look bad, and he won't do that. He's a loyal party man, like his father before him.

Right... he's not stupid like Reid.

500 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:42:22pm

re: #472 Spare O'Lake

Oh shit, Geller inerview replay on CNN again.

Geller was on CNN?

They really are desperate and will take anyone these days.

Link, please.

I'm going to write an LGF page about the complete, total, utter, unbelievable failure of the so-called "liberal" MSM to vet the chin-dribbling hate-mongers who turn the wheels behind the anti-mosque movement.

501 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:43:24pm
502 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:44:03pm

re: #488 Spare O'Lake

You mean unlike Jimmah Carter, fuckwad extraordinaire?

Yep - very unlike Jimmah Carter (ooh!). Agree with him or not, Carter does indeed seem to have an interest in politics and principles that lead him to speak out on issues.

PS he's not even a recent ex-president.

503 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:44:21pm

re: #500 Cato the Elder

Geller was on CNN?

They really are desperate and will take anyone these days.

Link, please.

I'm going to write an LGF page about the complete, total, utter, unbelievable failure of the so-called "liberal" MSM to vet the chin-dribbling hate-mongers who turn the wheels behind the anti-mosque movement.

I don't know how to link to CNN TV.

504 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:44:40pm

re: #498 Dark_Falcon

What good could he do? All he'd accomplish would be to make his party look bad, and he won't do that. He's a loyal party man, like his father before him.

His party is doing a great job of that without his help...

505 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:44:52pm

Tom Delay gets a free PASS! WOO HOO!!

Quote,

Melanie Sloan, the executive director of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, a government watchdog group, sharply criticized the Justice Department’s decision to close the investigation into Mr. DeLay’s role without charges.

“It’s a sad day for America when one of the most corrupt members to ever walk the halls of Congress gets a free pass,” Ms. Sloan said. “The Justice Department’s decision not to prosecute Mr. DeLay for his actions sends exactly the wrong message to current and future members.”

Question for ya Melanie, do you really think that future members of Congress are going to be fundamentally different than the ones in there now?

506 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:45:29pm

re: #505 eclectic infidel

Tom Delay gets a free PASS! WOO HOO!!

Quote,

Question for ya Melanie, do you really think that future members of Congress are going to be fundamentally different than the ones in there now?

Was the the Obama Justice Department?

507 palomino  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:45:30pm

No surprise here. W is a lifelong republican, as were his father and grandfather. Bush won't turn on his party at this point; and the mosque hysteria seems to be helping the gop in advance of the midterms. Were he to speak sincerely he would probably dampen that surge of bigotry.

It's politics; hard to imagine a Kennedy pouring cold water on the party as they look forward to their first good election night in 6 years.

508 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:46:23pm

re: #506 Walter L. Newton

Was the the Obama Justice Department?

Four AG's including the present one. No charges.

509 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:46:45pm

re: #472 Spare O'Lake

Oh shit, Geller inerview replay on CNN again.

Try the off switch.

510 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:47:07pm

re: #495 researchok

Bush's defense and stand on Islam and tolerance is well known.

So why doesn't he say anything when specifically asked about this issue?

511 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:48:29pm

re: #488 Spare O'Lake

Don't Call Carter 'Jimmah' while Jimmah is around. He doesn't like it.

512 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:49:04pm

re: #490 TheMatrix31

Seriously, and before that "serious work", he only "worked" like a year and a half voting present mostly.

Oh shit, I think I'm getting mixed up again.

Theze politics are teh confuzing!

Yes, I realize that working as an attorney and teaching law are considered quite frivolous jobs.

513 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:49:09pm

re: #511 Dark_Falcon

Don't Call Carter 'Jimmah' while Jimmah is around. He doesn't like it.

I don't like being told I have a stick up my ass either....

514 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:49:20pm

re: #502 Jimmah

Yep - very unlike Jimmah Carter (ooh!). Agree with him or not, Carter does indeed seem to have an interest in politics and principles that lead him to speak out on issues.

PS he's not even a recent ex-president.

He is lower than the Dead Sea. Jimmah Carter is primarily interested in pandering to terrorists and peddling hate and bullshit.

515 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:49:44pm

Newsbreak:

Laura Schlessinger ["Dr Laura"] says she will not renew her contract after the end of the year, telling "Larry King Live" she wants to "regain my First Amendment rights."

In plain English: she wants to be able to call black people ni@@ers without undue fuss.

516 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:49:54pm

re: #514 Spare O'Lake


And being a fan of my favorite baseball team....ugh! Fucker.

517 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:50:08pm

re: #514 Spare O'Lake

He is lower than the Dead Sea. Jimmah Carter is primarily interested in pandering to terrorists and peddling hate and bullshit.

And so... for some people, that's not a problem.

518 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:50:45pm

re: #294 Stanley Sea

And a little off topic

Into the Wild fan dies trying to reach McCandless' bus

[Link: latimesblogs.latimes.com...]

How ironic...

519 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:50:49pm

Some idiot just tweeted this: "Why does the ACLU support a mosque at Ground Zero but wants the 10 commandments, prayer, a cross in the dessert gone?"

Private. Public.

Teh Stupid, it burns!

520 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:51:13pm

re: #509 SanFranciscoZionist

Try the off switch.

Thanks, I changed the channel instead.

521 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:51:30pm

re: #513 TheMatrix31

I don't like being told I have a stick up my ass either...

But if I tell you you have a 堅持你的屁股, you won't mind that, will you?

522 jaunte  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:51:34pm

re: #519 Alouette

No crosses in the dessert please, we could break a tooth.

523 sagehen  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:52:25pm

re: #450 Spare O'Lake

Is it possible that Bush has nothing good to say about his actual work and that's why he's keeping mum?

Is it possible that Bush has no actual independent memory of most of what his staff did in his name, and that's why he's keeping mum?

524 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:53:29pm

DeLay was run from office a long time ago so any charges would have been pretty much moot anyway. He was run because he was effective or because of the Democrats overarching decency. You choose.

525 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:54:10pm

re: #523 sagehen

Is it possible that Bush has no actual independent memory of most of what his staff did in his name, and that's why he's keeping mum?

Dumbass or genius, the question still lingers.

526 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:54:30pm

re: #523 sagehen

Is it possible that Bush has no actual independent memory of most of what his staff did in his name, and that's why he's keeping mum?

Why, yes...yes it is.

527 sagehen  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:54:48pm

re: #470 The Shadow Do

What an odd statement. I thought he was a bloodthirsty warmonger busy murdering millions for Halliburton.

You're confusion him with Darth Cheney.

528 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:54:55pm

re: #521 Cato the Elder

But if I tell you you have a 堅持你的屁股, you won't mind that, will you?

I can't read Chinese/Korean/whatever, I'm just an ignorant, uninformed, uncultured, uneducated, bitter American.

529 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:55:34pm

re: #527 sagehen

You're confusion him with Darth Cheney.

Same difference?

530 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:55:38pm

re: #523 sagehen

He was a dumbass after all, and since he didn't actually pull the strings in the administration, no it wouldn't surprise me if that were the case.

/

531 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:56:16pm

re: #525 The Shadow Do

Dumbass or genius, the question still lingers.

I know of no one who could be accused of ever having called him a genius.

532 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:56:20pm

Gin and Juice

533 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:56:36pm

Namaste, yall

534 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:57:19pm

re: #528 TheMatrix31

I can't read Chinese/Korean/whatever, I'm just an ignorant, uninformed, uncultured, uneducated, bitter American.

Cato just told you that you have a stick up your ass...in Chinese

/Google Translate is your friend

535 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:58:19pm

re: #519 Alouette

Some idiot just tweeted this: "Why does the ACLU support a mosque at Ground Zero but wants the 10 commandments, prayer, a cross in the dessert gone?"

Private. Public.

Teh Stupid, it burns!

I drive by the Mt. Soledad cross in La Jolla. That was turned into a Veteran's memorial and the land purchased by the Federal Govt.

In July 2008, a federal judge ruled that the cross is constitutional after the federal government obtained the land the cross sits on through a special act of Congress. He rationalized this decision by saying that the primary effect of this prominent cross is "patriotic and nationalistic, not religious

536 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:58:19pm

re: #531 Spare O'Lake

I know of no one who could be accused of ever having called him a genius.

I had him confused for a moment there with the master - Karl Rove

BWAHAHAHA

537 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:58:26pm

re: #528 TheMatrix31

I can't read Chinese/Korean/whatever, I'm just an ignorant, uninformed, uncultured, uneducated, bitter American.

Yeah. I know.

And you don't know how to use the intarwebs, either.

538 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:58:27pm

re: #534 talon_262

Cato just told you that you have a stick up your ass...in Chinese

/Google Translate is your friend

How is Google Translate his friend in that instance?

539 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:58:31pm

Weet dreams, Honcos.

540 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:58:39pm

re: #515 Cato the Elder

Newsbreak:

Laura Schlessinger ["Dr Laura"] says she will not renew her contract after the end of the year, telling "Larry King Live" she wants to "regain my First Amendment rights."

In plain English: she wants to be able to call black people ni@@ers without undue fuss.

What a rotten, lousy person she seems to be.

I became aware of Dr. Laura first because my Catholic grandma called me up all worried because Dr. Laura had said that non-Orthodox Jews didn't believe in an afterlife. As little as I knew about Dr. Laura at the time, I thought she was Reform, and making that sweeping statement about herself and, well, everyone else in her boat. Later figured out it was a swipe at non-Orthodox Jews, although if that woman was genuinely frum I will eat a small cardboard box.

So I got to reassure my worried grandma that the granchild raised in the exotic faith she never understood all that well did, indeed, believe in the immortality of the soul. (I wasn't that sure, but when your grandma is having a crisis on the telephone is no time to split fine points of belief.)

So now Mrs. "I believe in an afterlife, and am better than the people in the wrong sect of my religion" has decided she's 'lost her First Amendment rights' because she got in trouble for saying "n*****" on the air? Well, poor, poor woman. There are some things the First Amendment allows you to do that Torah does not. Apparently KFWB-AM doesn't allow them either.

541 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:59:13pm

re: #519 Alouette

Some idiot just tweeted this: "Why does the ACLU support a mosque at Ground Zero but wants the 10 commandments, prayer, a cross in the dessert gone?"

Private. Public.

Teh Stupid, it burns!

The only dessert that should have a cross in it is hot cross buns.

542 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:59:21pm

re: #520 Spare O'Lake

Thanks, I changed the channel instead.

That works too.

543 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:59:29pm

re: #524 The Shadow Do

DeLay was run from office a long time ago so any charges would have been pretty much moot anyway. He was run because he was effective or because of the Democrats overarching decency. You choose.

It's the former. The Dems game plan to deal with effective GOP Congressional leaders has been to hurl allegations at every opportunity. Even if they aren't true, enough of the slime eventually stick to rob the leader of his effectiveness.

544 sagehen  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:59:55pm

re: #515 Cato the Elder

Newsbreak:

Laura Schlessinger ["Dr Laura"] says she will not renew her contract after the end of the year, telling "Larry King Live" she wants to "regain my First Amendment rights."

In plain English: she wants to be able to call black people ni@@ers without undue fuss.

Or she's putting out her own spin before we find out that her syndicator isn't interesetdin renewing her contract.

545 GPS2008  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 8:59:58pm

Hmm. I actually think Bush shows a lot of class by not saying anything against the man who followed his presidency...more class than Obama shows and less tiresome than the "Bush can't read what's in his library" type of comments. Just sayin'

546 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:00:03pm

re: #528 TheMatrix31

I can't read Chinese/Korean/whatever, I'm just an ignorant, uninformed, uncultured, uneducated, bitter American.

I'm going to believe you on the 'bitter'.

547 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:00:07pm

re: #538 Mr Pancakes

How is Google Translate his friend in that instance?

Well, he could have figured out what Cato told him, for one...what he does after that is up to him.

548 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:00:32pm

re: #535 Stanley Sea

Oops

[Link: www.aclu.org...]

Seriously I don't know what happened to the case, I was disgusted, and I still see it every other day.

549 windsagio  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:00:46pm

re: #528 TheMatrix31

I can't read Chinese/Korean/whatever, I'm just an ignorant, uninformed, uncultured, uneducated, bitter American.

Do you Cling?

550 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:01:04pm

re: #534 talon_262

I'm too stupid to use Google. I'm just an ignorant, dumb, uninformed, uneducated, bitter American.

551 palomino  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:01:22pm

re: #488 Spare O'Lake

You mean unlike Jimmah Carter, fuckwad extraordinaire?

In a recent survey of righty bloggers, Carter was named "worst figure in American history." Not just worst prez or pol, but worst person.

Maybe someone here can explain this in terms even more precise and measured than "fuckwad extraordinaire."

552 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:01:27pm

re: #549 windsagio

Do you Cling?

[smiles] Good line, wind.

553 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:01:44pm

re: #549 windsagio

Like a stage-five clinger.

/omg Wedding Crashers ref!OMG!! ...

554 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:02:16pm

re: #550 TheMatrix31

I'm too stupid to use Google. I'm just an ignorant, dumb, uninformed, uneducated, bitter American.

Worse, a Republican. Go ahead, admit it.

555 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:02:39pm

re: #544 sagehen

Or she's putting out her own spin before we find out that her syndicator isn't interesetdin renewing her contract.

LOL. Like Helen Thomas wished she could have done before her publisher, agent, and co-author all dumped her in advance.

556 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:02:51pm

re: #547 talon_262

Well, he could have figured out what Cato told him, for one...what he does after that is up to him.

Lo que sea

557 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:03:33pm

re: #550 TheMatrix31

I'm too stupid to use Google. I'm just an ignorant, dumb, uninformed, uneducated, bitter American.

That's the second time you've said that.

I knew it before you said it the first time.

558 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:03:40pm

re: #543 Dark_Falcon

It's the former. The Dems game plan to deal with effective GOP Congressional leaders has been to hurl allegations at every opportunity. Even if they aren't true, enough of the slime eventually stick to rob the leader of his effectiveness.

That's why we hear of Ensign every day right?

The actual GOP leaders, Boehner, Cantor etc. aren't getting anything flung at them, they are doing absolutely nothing all by themselves.

Your statement is really off.

559 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:03:58pm

re: #551 palomino

In a recent survey of righty bloggers, Carter was named "worst figure in American history." Not just worst prez or pol, but worst person.

Maybe someone here can explain this in terms even more precise and measured than "fuckwad extraordinaire."

OK. The economy crated while he was in office, he let the Sandanistas come to power in Nicaragua, he let Khomeini slap our faces in Iran and he let the military go into such steep decline that the rescue attempt in Iran ended in disaster.

560 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:04:05pm

re: #544 sagehen

Or she's putting out her own spin before we find out that her syndicator isn't interesetdin renewing her contract.

Exactly...most likely, when advertisers started to bail, she got wind that her contract wasn't going to be renewed, so she's heading Premiere off at the pass in the court of public opinion.

561 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:05:08pm

re: #511 Dark_Falcon

Don't Call Carter 'Jimmah' while Jimmah is around. He doesn't like it.

To be honest, this kind of pettiness and butthurt just makes me laugh, DF. It pisses ice off though (and he knows that), just like it pisses me off when members of the dwindling wingnut remnant start calling ice-ski incredibly stupid and offensive names. Glad to say the ones who engaged in that crap are almost all gone now.

562 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:05:44pm

re: #546 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm going to believe you on the 'bitter'.

Image: aebf4ad1-7ddf-457d-8818-1cdfb78e4279.jpg

563 palomino  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:05:52pm

re: #545 GPS2008

Hmm. I actually think Bush shows a lot of class by not saying anything against the man who followed his presidency...more class than Obama shows and less tiresome than the "Bush can't read what's in his library" type of comments. Just sayin'

Your memory is short: Bush did talk a lot of trash about Clinton, both before and after the 2000 election; just like Clinton did about Bush Sr; and Reagan did about Carter; and Nixon did about LBJ; and so on.

564 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:06:29pm

re: #551 palomino

In a recent survey of righty bloggers, Carter was named "worst figure in American history." Not just worst prez or pol, but worst person.

Maybe someone here can explain this in terms even more precise and measured than "fuckwad extraordinaire."

Inept, rabbit fearing anti-semite?
No, that doesn't quite capture it either. Sorry.

565 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:06:42pm

re: #557 Cato the Elder

That's the second time you've said that.

I knew it before you said it the first time.

Prophetic elder is prophetic.

566 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:07:01pm

re: #559 Dark_Falcon

OK. The economy crated while he was in office, he let the Sandanistas come to power in Nicaragua, he let Khomeini slap our faces in Iran and he let the military go into such steep decline that the rescue attempt in Iran ended in disaster.

I would definitely rank Benedict Arnold, John Wilkes Booth, or Lee Harvey Oswald wayyy before Carter as "worst American evah!!11ty" myself.

567 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:08:31pm

re: #566 talon_262

I'd rank Rupert Murdoch way before Carter. He is teh sux0rz.

568 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:09:17pm

re: #567 TheMatrix31

I'd rank Rupert Murdoch way before Carter. He is teh sux0rz.

I think he's Australian dude.

569 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:09:36pm

Anyone apologizing for Delay should start by reading The Family by Jeff Sharlet.

570 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:09:44pm

re: #550 TheMatrix31

I'm too stupid to use Google. I'm just an ignorant, dumb, uninformed, uneducated, bitter American.

Mongo have moment of self awareness. For once, Mongo speak truth.

571 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:10:00pm

re: #568 Mr Pancakes

Mistaken bitter American is mistaken.

572 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:10:12pm

re: #568 Mr Pancakes

I think he's Australian dude.

Didn't he naturalize as an American though? I thought I head that.

573 palomino  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:10:21pm

re: #559 Dark_Falcon

OK. The economy crated while he was in office, he let the Sandanistas come to power in Nicaragua, he let Khomeini slap our faces in Iran and he let the military go into such steep decline that the rescue attempt in Iran ended in disaster.


No question he was an ineffectual president, but those failures hardly make him the worst person in our history.

As for your specific complaints, the economy has cratred worse under other presidents (Hoover, W, Obama); every admin. from Truman to Reagan saw commies take over somewhere; and lots of presidents (from Ike to Reagan to Clinton) have had Iran troubles.

574 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:10:27pm

re: #566 talon_262

I would definitely rank Benedict Arnold, John Wilkes Booth, or Lee Harvey Oswald wayyy before Carter as "worst American evah!!11ty" myself.

Me too. He doesn't even make my top ten. But he would make my top twenty.

575 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:10:41pm

re: #572 Fozzie Bear

Didn't he naturalize as an American though? I thought I head that.

Could be..... hence "think".

576 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:10:53pm

re: #540 SanFranciscoZionist

What a rotten, lousy person she seems to be.

I became aware of Dr. Laura first because my Catholic grandma called me up all worried because Dr. Laura had said that non-Orthodox Jews didn't believe in an afterlife. As little as I knew about Dr. Laura at the time, I thought she was Reform, and making that sweeping statement about herself and, well, everyone else in her boat. Later figured out it was a swipe at non-Orthodox Jews, although if that woman was genuinely frum I will eat a small cardboard box.

Dr. Laura was "outed" publicly chowing down on non-kosher nom noms, at which time she was forced to admit that she wasn't really following all those difficult and inconvenient Sabbath and kosher food rules, especially when she was on tour, and you know, there's all this exciting and delicious Japanese cuisine around and she didn't want to insult her hosts, even though she has made a freaking career out of insulting everybody else.

So, she is given up Judaism, therefore, you don't have to eat a box.

577 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:11:06pm

re: #551 palomino

In a recent survey of righty bloggers, Carter was named "worst figure in American history." Not just worst prez or pol, but worst person.

Maybe someone here can explain this in terms even more precise and measured than "fuckwad extraordinaire."

The RWR got somewhat overexercised on that list. As I say, I'm rather amazed that Jim Jones didn't make the list.

578 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:11:43pm

re: #570 Jimmah

Mongo very good football player for Bears in 1985. Mongo still overshadowed by Fridge and others. Mongo won ring that year. Mongo good man.

Oh, wait.

579 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:12:09pm

re: #571 TheMatrix31

Mistaken bitter American is mistaken.

This is getting old Matrix.

Lakers Baby!!! What a team, from such a great city!

580 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:12:19pm

re: #578 TheMatrix31

Mongo very good football player for Bears in 1985. Mongo still overshadowed by Fridge and others. Mongo won ring that year. Mongo good man.

Oh, wait.

Mongo also decked horse with one punch.

581 jaunte  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:12:48pm

re: #580 Mr Pancakes

Mongo also decked horse with one punch.

Horse had grass jaw.

582 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:13:29pm

re: #579 Stanley Sea

Good to see you realize how fucking old it gets.

583 sagehen  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:13:42pm

re: #566 talon_262

I would definitely rank Benedict Arnold, John Wilkes Booth, or Lee Harvey Oswald wayyy before Carter as "worst American evah!!11ty" myself.

Nathan Bedford Forrest
Timothy McVeigh
Father Coughlin

The people who responded to that poll are just historically ignorant. Even if they were just looking for bogeymen from the left, you'd think they'd have picked people like John Brown, or Eugene Debs, or Clarence Darrow.

584 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:13:52pm

re: #576 Alouette

Dr. Laura was "outed" publicly chowing down on non-kosher nom noms, at which time she was forced to admit that she wasn't really following all those difficult and inconvenient Sabbath and kosher food rules, especially when she was on tour, and you know, there's all this exciting and delicious Japanese cuisine around and she didn't want to insult her hosts, even though she has made a freaking career out of insulting everybody else.

So, she is given up Judaism, therefore, you don't have to eat a box.

That's good. I don't really like cardboard.

585 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:14:50pm

re: #559 Dark_Falcon

OK. The economy crated while he was in office, he let the Sandanistas come to power in Nicaragua, he let Khomeini slap our faces in Iran and he let the military go into such steep decline that the rescue attempt in Iran ended in disaster.

First, the word is "cratered". And if the economic policies of your immediate predecessors were bound for failure, that's not your fault when you assume command. (Viz. Bush vs. Obama.)

Second, the Sandinistas, as far as I know, are in power today and were already back in power under Bushbaby. So fucking what? The Nicaraguan military was never a threat to us, so far as I know. But maybe your daughter is married to one of Somoza's cretinous grand-nephews.

Third, the French nurtured and promoted Khomeini, flew him to
Tehran, and sat back and laughed whilst we floundered.

Fourth, the military-industrial complex about which Ike warned us all has never yet allowed the American Imperial military to go into anything even resembling a "steep decline" since WWII. Not even Saint Bitchfuck Reagan could have rescued those people by military force.

Finally, all that being said, Carter is still a fuckwad extraordinaire, because he is a bona fide anti-Semite.

I hope he dies hammering his balls into a piece of fiberboard at a "Habitat for Humanity" barn-raising.

586 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:15:10pm

re: #582 TheMatrix31

Good to see you realize how fucking old it gets.

I think Stanley was trying to lift your spirits.

587 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:15:31pm

re: #582 TheMatrix31

Good to see you realize how fucking old it gets.

You will appreciate this one.
Sounds of the Matrix

588 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:16:38pm

re: #578 TheMatrix31

Mongo very good football player for Bears in 1985. Mongo still overshadowed by Fridge and others. Mongo won ring that year. Mongo good man.

Oh, wait.

Aaah. Mongo have knowledge of American football, unlike Jimmah, who shun all football except World Cup.

589 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:16:41pm

re: #583 sagehen

Nathan Bedford Forrest
Timothy McVeigh
Father Coughlin

The people who responded to that poll are just historically ignorant. Even if they were just looking for bogeymen from the left, you'd think they'd have picked people like John Brown, or Eugene Debs, or Clarence Darrow.

The other people the righty blogs named as bad Americans I entirely agree with were the Rosenbergs. But calling Communist spies bad Americans is simply stating the obvious.

590 jayzee  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:16:47pm

re: #576 Alouette

Dr. Laura was "outed" publicly chowing down on non-kosher nom noms, at which time she was forced to admit that she wasn't really following all those difficult and inconvenient Sabbath and kosher food rules, especially when she was on tour, and you know, there's all this exciting and delicious Japanese cuisine around and she didn't want to insult her hosts, even though she has made a freaking career out of insulting everybody else.

So, she is given up Judaism, therefore, you don't have to eat a box.

She said something about it lacking a personal connection to G-d or something. She is (was) technically a convert. Her mom's not Jewish.

591 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:17:25pm
592 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:17:59pm

re: #588 Jimmah

Jimmah not cultured in sports. Jimmah think sport is stupid. Jimmah rather play bagpipes.

593 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:18:18pm

re: #588 Jimmah

Aaah. Mongo have knowledge of American football, unlike Jimmah, who shun all football except World Cup.

That's soccer....... soccer sucks. If soccer was that big of a deal, the US would have a team.

594 palomino  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:18:28pm

re: #577 SanFranciscoZionist

The RWR got somewhat overexercised on that list. As I say, I'm rather amazed that Jim Jones didn't make the list.

Probably because he was in South America when he forced his followers to drink the Guyana Punch (which is far more potent than the Delaware variety.)

And I'd have to put prez assassins, KKK founders, Tail Gunner Joe McCarthy and maybe the Rosenbergs higher on such a list too. Tim McVeigh too.

595 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:18:29pm

re: #588 Jimmah

Aaah. Mongo have knowledge of American football, unlike Jimmah, who shun all football except World Cup.

Hard to shun the memory of the '85 Bears, and its not safe to shun their memory when people from Chicago are around.

596 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:19:00pm

I just posted links to and some discussion of the Report of the United States Global Change Research Program in my miniblog.

This is a multi agency government report. It includes NASA, NOAA, EPA, NSF and the Depts of Energy, Interior, Defense, Agriculture, amongst many others as well as the Office of the President.

It is essential reading if you want a detailed projection of what is coming down the pike for the United States in terms of Global Warming, but written on a very direct and easy to understand level. All of the pertinent research and journal papers are cited for those interested in digging deeper and checking out the science itself. The contents of the report are shocking.

For example, it is expected that by 2100, 60 days out of the year, will be above 100 degrees F, in Boston.

The homepage is well hyper linked and breaks down the impending catastrophes and weaknesses and impacts by region.

Please, please, please take the time to read this.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

597 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:19:30pm

re: #590 jayzee

She said something about it lacking a personal connection to G-d or something. She is (was) technically a convert. Her mom's not Jewish.

I have some really, really strong emotions about her whole relationship with Judaism.

598 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:19:50pm

re: #576 Alouette

Dr. Laura was "outed" publicly chowing down on non-kosher nom noms, at which time she was forced to admit that she wasn't really following all those difficult and inconvenient Sabbath and kosher food rules, especially when she was on tour, and you know, there's all this exciting and delicious Japanese cuisine around and she didn't want to insult her hosts, even though she has made a freaking career out of insulting everybody else.

So, she is given up Judaism, therefore, you don't have to eat a box.

Honestly.. honestly, I am torn about mourning the loss.

599 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:19:51pm

re: #595 Dark_Falcon

Hard to shun the memory of the '85 Bears, and its not safe to shun their memory when people from Chicago are around.

Did you see Rex with Washington??

600 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:19:52pm

re: #594 palomino

Probably because he was in South America when he forced his followers to drink the Guyana Punch (which is far more potent than the Delaware variety.)

And I'd have to put prez assassins, KKK founders, Tail Gunner Joe McCarthy and maybe the Rosenbergs higher on such a list too. Tim McVeigh too.

Heh. this was a poll of righty bloggers. No way does McCarthy make the list. Not the "worst" list, at least...

601 palomino  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:20:33pm

re: #570 Jimmah

Mongo have moment of self awareness. For once, Mongo speak truth.


"Candygram for Mongo. Candygram for Mongo."

"Mmmm, Mongo like Candy." BOOM!

Hope this means something to someone out there.

602 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:20:57pm

re: #590 jayzee

She said something about it lacking a personal connection to G-d or something. She is (was) technically a convert. Her mom's not Jewish.

Thank you G-d!

603 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:21:59pm

re: #597 SanFranciscoZionist

I have some really, really strong emotions about her whole relationship with Judaism.

That she was and is full of shit? I'll agree to that...

604 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:22:07pm

re: #588 Jimmah

Aaah. Mongo have knowledge of American football, unlike Jimmah, who shun all football except World Cup.

World cup not football. World cup game of has been empires and wannabe nations.

America football!

////

605 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:22:34pm

re: #592 TheMatrix31

Jimmah not cultured in sports. Jimmah think sport is stupid. Jimmah rather play bagpipes.

Hmm...I said:

Aaah. Mongo have knowledge of American football, unlike Jimmah, who shun all football except World Cup.

Mongo have big comprehension problems.

Jimmah understand words on page AND play bagpipes at world class level. Oh yes.

606 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:22:56pm

Funny that the only single lonely bitter clinging person here who seems willing (in terms of dings) to stand up for "Dr. Laura" (whose doctorate, as far as I remember, was based on torturing lab rats) is Teh Matrix.

Fits, somehow, don't it?

607 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:23:59pm

re: #605 Jimmah

Jimmah great man. Mongo wish he Jimmah, have big red mustache like Willy. Mongo settle for shiny championship ring, Mongo pity Scotland for not winning World Cup yet.

608 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:24:13pm

re: #594 palomino

Probably because he was in South America when he forced his followers to drink the Guyana Punch (which is far more potent than the Delaware variety.)

And I'd have to put prez assassins, KKK founders, Tail Gunner Joe McCarthy and maybe the Rosenbergs higher on such a list too. Tim McVeigh too.

He recruited and then killed nearly a thousand Americans. Just sayin'.

The people suggested on this thread all are good picks.

609 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:24:42pm

re: #599 Stanley Sea

Did you see Rex with Washington??

No, but I read the coverage. He should do decently there. He's finally got the mentor he needs in McNabb.

610 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:25:11pm

Personal memories of President Carter:
My first home (condo actually) @ 16.5% interest
Gas lines when you could find gas
Futility in the face of Iranian goons
Relatives life savings wiped out by inflation...
And the everlasting recollection of him doing a Whitehouse fireside chat, dressed like Mr. Rogers, telling me to put on a sweater.

611 jayzee  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:25:22pm

re: #597 SanFranciscoZionist

I have some really, really strong emotions about her whole relationship with Judaism.

I assume they're not good? People who are so self righteous, generally aren't that righteous.

My rabbi doesn't feel the need to tell me how religious he is, or how bad he thinks I am. He'll probably stay frum.

612 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:25:34pm

re: #606 Cato the Elder

I dislike the use of the n-word no matter the reason.

613 palomino  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:25:42pm

re: #600 JasonA

Heh. this was a poll of righty bloggers. No way does McCarthy make the list. Not the "worst" list, at least...

Sure, that was my list; but I'd think even righty bloggers could find somebody in US history worse than Carter. Kinda like Geraghty, the conservative author of the NRO article--even he suggests these bloggers are a little wacky.

614 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:25:56pm

re: #601 palomino

"Candygram for Mongo. Candygram for Mongo."

"Mmmm, Mongo like Candy." BOOM!

Hope this means something to someone out there.

Mel Brooks is a genius!

615 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:26:35pm

re: #603 talon_262

That she was and is full of shit? I'll agree to that...

Well, that's a big part of it, yes...

616 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:26:48pm

re: #613 palomino

Sure, that was my list; but I'd think even righty bloggers could find somebody in US history worse than Carter. Kinda like Geraghty, the conservative author of the NRO article--even he suggests these bloggers are a little wacky.

That they put Margaret Sanger on this list is really telling. One of the worst Americans ever? Yeesh.

617 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:26:51pm

re: #607 TheMatrix31

Jimmah great man. Mongo wish he Jimmah, have big red mustache like Willy. Mongo settle for shiny championship ring, Mongo pity Scotland for not winning World Cup yet.

Do you have any idea how much stupider you sound tonight than you've ever sounded before?

Take that as a compliment. I do not doubt it requires effort on your part.

618 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:27:12pm

re: #605 Jimmah

Hmm...I said:

Mongo have big comprehension problems.

Jimmah understand words on page AND play bagpipes at world class level. Oh yes.

Although when it comes to bagpipes of course, world class level pretty much=Scottish level.

619 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:27:15pm

re: #606 Cato the Elder

I want to reiterate that beyond the n$$ n$$ n$$ she said like 11 times, her last comment to the girl who called in because her husband's family was being racist to her, Dr. Laura said, well you shouldn't marry out of your race.

620 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:27:16pm

re: #610 The Shadow Do

Personal memories of President Carter:
My first home (condo actually) @ 16.5% interest
Gas lines when you could find gas
Futility in the face of Iranian goons
Relatives life savings wiped out by inflation...
And the everlasting recollection of him doing a Whitehouse fireside chat, dressed like Mr. Rogers, telling me to put on a sweater.

Did you put on a sweater?

621 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:27:24pm

re: #617 Cato the Elder

Do you have any idea how much stupider you sound tonight than you've ever sounded before?

Take that as a compliment. I do not doubt it requires effort on your part.

I have a vague idea.

622 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:27:37pm

Jimmah, say hi to Ice for me! And Hello and glad to see you!

623 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:27:40pm

re: #610 The Shadow Do

Personal memories of President Carter:
My first home (condo actually) @ 16.5% interest
Gas lines when you could find gas
Futility in the face of Iranian goons
Relatives life savings wiped out by inflation...
And the everlasting recollection of him doing a Whitehouse fireside chat, dressed like Mr. Rogers, telling me to put on a sweater.

I see he robbed you of your personal store of apostrophes, too.

624 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:28:07pm

re: #617 Cato the Elder

Do you have any idea how much stupider you sound tonight than you've ever sounded before?

Take that as a compliment. I do not doubt it requires effort on your part.

I insist you take that back!

625 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:28:24pm

re: #619 Stanley Sea

I want to reiterate that beyond the n$$ n$$ n$$ she said like 11 times, her last comment to the girl who called in because her husband's family was being racist to her, Dr. Laura said, well you shouldn't marry out of your race.

What a bitch. Was that on her show? I wouldnt know, don't really listen to the radio .

626 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:28:53pm

re: #619 Stanley Sea

I want to reiterate that beyond the n$$ n$$ n$$ she said like 11 times, her last comment to the girl who called in because her husband's family was being racist to her, Dr. Laura said, well you shouldn't marry out of your race.

Yeah. If I ever see this woman in person I might have to break out the "c" word.

627 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:28:55pm

re: #617 Cato the Elder

Do you have any idea how much stupider you sound tonight than you've ever sounded before?

Take that as a compliment. I do not doubt it requires effort on your part.

Well, I've trained him to respond to 'Mongo'. Given the inherent limitations in play here, I call that progress.

628 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:29:35pm

re: #627 Jimmah

Mongo get conditioned. Mongo like Pavlov dog. Mongo woof at Groundskeeper Willy.

629 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:29:45pm

re: #618 Jimmah

Although when it comes to bagpipes of course, world class level pretty much=Scottish level.

Well, y'all did invent the bloody things...

630 palomino  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:30:17pm

re: #614 Dark_Falcon

Mel Brooks is a genius!

I recently heard that Richard Pryor was originally considered for the sheriff part played by Cleavon Little. But he was a relative unknown, too edgy.

Hard to believe, but a classic comedy--one of the all-time greats--could have been even better.

631 The Shadow Do  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:31:08pm

re: #623 Cato the Elder

I see he robbed you of your personal store of apostrophes, too.

Bastard that he is...

632 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:31:12pm

re: #630 palomino

I recently heard that Richard Pryor was originally considered for the sheriff part played by Cleavon Little. But he was a relative unknown, too edgy.

Hard to believe, but a classic comedy--one of the all-time greats--could have been even better.

Didn't he do some writing on it?

633 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:31:44pm

re: #630 palomino

I recently heard that Richard Pryor was originally considered for the sheriff part played by Cleavon Little. But he was a relative unknown, too edgy.

Hard to believe, but a classic comedy--one of the all-time greats--could have been even better.

True. Pryor might have done even better.

634 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:32:05pm

re: #629 talon_262

Well, y'all did invent the bloody things...

No offense...... bagpipes are annoying.

635 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:32:46pm

re: #611 jayzee

I assume they're not good? People who are so self righteous, generally aren't that righteous.

My rabbi doesn't feel the need to tell me how religious he is, or how bad he thinks I am. He'll probably stay frum.

I feel like she adopted this pose of being very religious to dress up being a hardcore social conservative. She trashed 'less religious' Jews. Then she wanders off because, yes, being an Orthodox Jew is A LOT HARDER than being an evangelical Christian. It just is. She should have known that going in.

And because it was hard, and because she didn't feel the warm fuzzy vibes she needed, and because the Jewish community didn't make a big enough deal out of her, she stomped off...OK, it happens, but rather than saying 'my spiritual path is going somewhere else' or something, she makes it Judaism's fault. It's never her fault, it's always someone else's fault--and lo and behold, she's suddenly spouting the usual Christian criticism's of Judaism--too cold, too much praxis--and bashing rabbis who want to put up menorahs, and....eeeeeccchhh.

636 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:33:09pm

re: #630 palomino

I recently heard that Richard Pryor was originally considered for the sheriff part played by Cleavon Little. But he was a relative unknown, too edgy.

Hard to believe, but a classic comedy--one of the all-time greats--could have been even better.

But, Pryor did co-write the screen play with Brooks and others...the reason he didn't play Bart was the studio brass was seeing him getting wasted all the time and thought he was nuts.

637 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:34:50pm

re: #616 JasonA

That they put Margaret Sanger on this list is really telling. One of the worst Americans ever? Yeesh.

They hate her. They really, really hate her.

They say they hate her because she was a racist (which she was, but not hardly to the degree they claim), and a eugenicist (same), but they actually hate her because Margaret Sanger was the first big figure in the struggle to give American women control over their uteruses, and for that the RWR will never, ever forgive her.

638 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:34:55pm

re: #636 talon_262

But, Pryor did co-write the screen play with Brooks and others...the reason he didn't play Bart was the studio brass was seeing him getting wasted all the time and thought he was nuts.

Yea... that sounds about right....... Cleavon Little played that part well.

639 palomino  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:35:00pm

re: #632 tnguitarist

Didn't he do some writing on it?


Yeah, he was an up and coming comedian/writer, but producers were afraid he lacked Cleavon's established professionalism, or so the story goes.

640 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:35:03pm

re: #622 LudwigVanQuixote

Jimmah, say hi to Ice for me! And Hello and glad to see you!

Will do! She still has another dressing change due at the hospital so no typing as yet, I'm afraid. I absolutely do say though that rumours of her demise and subsequent cannibalism by me (emanating principally from a certain scurrilous Roman source) are greatly exaggerated.

She'll be here in a few days I expect. Meanwhile, best wishes to you and your girl from both of us!

641 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:35:11pm

re: #632 tnguitarist

Didn't he do some writing on it?

See my previous post...

642 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:35:32pm

re: #619 Stanley Sea

I want to reiterate that beyond the n$$ n$$ n$$ she said like 11 times, her last comment to the girl who called in because her husband's family was being racist to her, Dr. Laura said, well you shouldn't marry out of your race.

Not a scrap of sympathy or concern for the woman seeking her advice. That's what bothers me.

643 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:35:53pm

re: #612 TheMatrix31

I dislike the use of the n-word no matter the reason.

So, if I report and mock the use of that word by Dr. "Rat-Tail Twister" Laura, that makes me as bad as she is?

Logic worthy of you, Mongo.

644 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:36:36pm

re: #640 Jimmah

Will do! She still has another dressing change due at the hospital!


Mongo hate hospital food, when Mongo had concussion, Mongo ask for ranch, they bring blue cheese. Mongo return salad.

645 jayzee  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:38:01pm

re: #635 SanFranciscoZionist

I feel like she adopted this pose of being very religious to dress up being a hardcore social conservative. She trashed 'less religious' Jews. Then she wanders off because, yes, being an Orthodox Jew is A LOT HARDER than being an evangelical Christian. It just is. She should have known that going in.

And because it was hard, and because she didn't feel the warm fuzzy vibes she needed, and because the Jewish community didn't make a big enough deal out of her, she stomped off...OK, it happens, but rather than saying 'my spiritual path is going somewhere else' or something, she makes it Judaism's fault. It's never her fault, it's always someone else's fault--and lo and behold, she's suddenly spouting the usual Christian criticism's of Judaism--too cold, too much praxis--and bashing rabbis who want to put up menorahs, and...eeeccchhh.

AND all this probably has something to do with an Elektra complex too. Remember the only thing crazier than a shrink is a person pretending to be one.

646 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:38:18pm

re: #628 TheMatrix31

Mongo get conditioned. Mongo like Pavlov dog. Mongo woof at Groundskeeper Willy.

Mongo good boy. Mongo get mongo treat.

647 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:39:05pm

re: #601 palomino

"Candygram for Mongo. Candygram for Mongo."

"Mmmm, Mongo like Candy." BOOM!

Hope this means something to someone out there.

Blazing Saddles stands as one of my favorite movies of all time. Right up there with Fandango, in my opinion. If Blazing Saddles was shown today, OMFGwithapogostickWTFBBQLOL, the PC crowd would grow second heads to accommodate all the necessary screaming and screeching required to drown out the cinematic expression.

Which is all the more reason to release it again.

648 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:39:17pm

re: #630 palomino

I recently heard that Richard Pryor was originally considered for the sheriff part played by Cleavon Little. But he was a relative unknown, too edgy.

Hard to believe, but a classic comedy--one of the all-time greats--could have been even better.

re: #633 Dark_Falcon

True. Pryor might have done even better.

I disagree...at that point in time, Pryor was brash and brazen, a maniac (who was freebasing his ass off, literally later on down the road), while Little was more urbane, a smooth character.

I can't imagine anyone other than Cleavon Little as Bart, the way the final movie was written (and I think Pryor had a lot to do with it, behind the scenes).

649 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:39:26pm

Mongrita retires for the eve.

See ya!

650 jayzee  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:39:26pm

re: #642 SanFranciscoZionist

Not a scrap of sympathy or concern for the woman seeking her advice. That's what bothers me.

I don't know-it's not like callers that call her show don't know what she's all about.

651 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:40:21pm

re: #637 SanFranciscoZionist

They hate her. They really, really hate her.

They say they hate her because she was a racist (which she was, but not hardly to the degree they claim), and a eugenicist (same), but they actually hate her because Margaret Sanger was the first big figure in the struggle to give American women control over their uteruses, and for that the RWR will never, ever forgive her.

In Sanger's day the arguments made against her could be summed up as something like:

Womenfolk ain't got no rights over their lil' bodies. If God had wanted them to make important decisions like that, he would have given 'em bigger brains.

Strangely enough, the far right is making a similar argument. The again, if the only examples of women I was presented with had the intelligence of Palin, Angle and Bachmann, I might be inclined to see something to it.

652 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:40:22pm

re: #647 eclectic infidel

Blazing Saddles stands as one of my favorite movies of all time. Right up there with Fandango, in my opinion. If Blazing Saddles was shown today, OMFGwithapogostickWTFBBQLOL, the PC crowd would grow second heads to accommodate all the necessary screaming and screeching required to drown out the cinematic expression.

Which is all the more reason to release it again.

A movie like that could never be made like that again....... white guys saying the "n" word.

653 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:40:27pm

re: #650 jayzee

I don't know-it's not like callers that call her show don't know what she's all about.

That's true. I suppose it's possible that 'Jade' doesn't exist at all.

But DAMN. You could get me on the worst day I ever had and not get a rant like that.

654 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:41:08pm

re: #646 Jimmah

Mongo good boy. Mongo get mongo treat.

Mongo get Mongol treat.

655 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:41:10pm

re: #646 Jimmah

Mongo can haz belly rub?

Image: 8c9f2d3c-ac12-4d6d-b953-c2c84d40f100.jpg

656 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:41:48pm

This thread is really weirding me out.

I need a beer.

657 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:42:05pm

re: #654 Cato the Elder

Mongo prefer Mongolian beef. Food good, Mongo try to use chopsticks. No work.

658 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:42:50pm

re: #656 JasonA

Mongo suggest Aventinus.

659 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:42:50pm

re: #657 TheMatrix31

Mongo prefer Mongolian beef. Food good, Mongo try to use chopsticks. No work.

Mongolian beef.... cook at table yum.

660 jayzee  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:43:34pm

re: #602 LudwigVanQuixote

Unfortunately we do get our share though.

661 sagehen  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:43:38pm

re: #636 talon_262

But, Pryor did co-write the screen play with Brooks and others...the reason he didn't play Bart was the studio brass was seeing him getting wasted all the time being himself and thought realized he was nuts.

662 Nimed  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:44:52pm

re: #656 JasonA

This thread is really weirding me out.

I need a beer.

Same here, but I think I'll go with a less manly diet coke.

663 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:46:46pm

re: #622 LudwigVanQuixote

Jimmah, say hi to Ice for me! And Hello and glad to see you!

From me too!
*waves*

664 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:46:46pm

re: #657 TheMatrix31

Mongo prefer Mongolian beef. Food good, Mongo try to use chopsticks. No work.

Jeebus Corky, man, I learned to use chopsticks three weeks after I was schooled to the knife and fork.

I bet you can't play any instruments beyond the one-hole pipe, either?

Am I right?

665 sagehen  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:46:47pm

re: #642 SanFranciscoZionist

Not a scrap of sympathy or concern for the woman seeking her advice. That's what bothers me.

The last time I saw her on Larry King (a year ago? two years?) he asked about how much she used to sleep around and the abortions she had -- she said the feminist movement made her do it. It wasn't her fault at all, feminism said she had to and she was powerless to resist.

666 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:48:15pm

re: #656 JasonA

This thread is really weirding me out.

I need a beer.

It's these lizards...

667 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:48:22pm

re: #664 Cato the Elder

Jeebus Corky, man, I learned to use chopsticks three weeks after I was schooled to the knife and fork.

I bet you can't play any instruments beyond the one-hole pipe, either?

Am I right?

I went to get Chinese food the other day......... no chopsticks.... I left.

One hole pipe........ oh man.

668 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:48:49pm

re: #652 Mr Pancakes

A movie like that could never be made like that again... white guys saying the "n" word.

Doubtful, but possible...hell, worse shit goes on in movies all the time now. The thing is, the talent that went in to Blazing Saddles is mostly gone. Little, Korman, Kahn, Pickens, and Pryor (among others) have passed away. Wilder and Brooks have grown old and are mostly retired at this point.

Sure, someone could try to remake it nowadays (and, knowing Hollywood, they might just try it), but you can't catch lightning in a bottle. That was their shot, their time...and it's still fantastic after all these years.

669 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:49:52pm

re: #663 Floral Giraffe

From me too!
*waves*

Nice to see you FG! Hope all is well with you. (Ice-ski fast asleep in bed - I'll be joining her shortly)

670 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:50:15pm

re: #668 talon_262

Doubtful, but possible...hell, worse shit goes on in movies all the time now. The thing is, the talent that went in to Blazing Saddles is mostly gone. Little, Korman, Kahn, Pickens, and Pryor (among others) have passed away. Wilder and Brooks have grown old and are mostly retired at this point.

Sure, someone could try to remake it nowadays (and, knowing Hollywood, they might just try it), but you can't catch lightning in a bottle. That was their shot, their time...and it's still fantastic after all these years.

It won't happen....... worse shit now days .....yea..... but that? ....... Nah

671 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:50:59pm

re: #664 Cato the Elder

Jeebus Corky, man, I learned to use chopsticks three weeks after I was schooled to the knife and fork.

I bet you can't play any instruments beyond the one-hole pipe, either?

Am I right?

Is that in the same family as the skin flute?

672 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:51:00pm

re: #666 Jimmah

Wtf is wrong with television over there?

673 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:51:25pm

re: #668 talon_262

Doubtful, but possible...hell, worse shit goes on in movies all the time now. The thing is, the talent that went in to Blazing Saddles is mostly gone. Little, Korman, Kahn, Pickens, and Pryor (among others) have passed away. Wilder and Brooks have grown old and are mostly retired at this point.

Sure, someone could try to remake it nowadays (and, knowing Hollywood, they might just try it), but you can't catch lightning in a bottle. That was their shot, their time...and it's still fantastic after all these years.

Classic movie...... as was Young Frankenstein.

674 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:51:31pm

re: #669 Jimmah

Nice to see you FG! Hope all is well with you. (Ice-ski fast asleep in bed - I'll be joining her shortly)

Isn't the sun about to rise over there?

675 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:52:41pm

re: #666 Jimmah

It's these lizards...


[Video]

My God, that was brilliant!

676 blueraven  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:53:19pm

re: #610 The Shadow Do

Personal memories of President Carter:
My first home (condo actually) @ 16.5% interest
Gas lines when you could find gas
Futility in the face of Iranian goons
Relatives life savings wiped out by inflation...
And the everlasting recollection of him doing a Whitehouse fireside chat, dressed like Mr. Rogers, telling me to put on a sweater.

Not unlike the gas lines and inflation under Nixon. Not to mention wage and price control and rationing.
Good times./

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

677 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:53:47pm

re: #672 JasonA

Wtf is wrong with television over there here?

678 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:54:09pm

SFZ - you still here?

679 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:54:09pm

re: #640 Jimmah

Will do! She still has another dressing change due at the hospital so no typing as yet, I'm afraid. I absolutely do say though that rumours of her demise and subsequent cannibalism by me (emanating principally from a certain scurrilous Roman source) are greatly exaggerated.

She'll be here in a few days I expect. Meanwhile, best wishes to you and your girl from both of us!

And the same top you from both of us.

680 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:54:13pm

re: #669 Jimmah

Nice to see you FG! Hope all is well with you. (Ice-ski fast asleep in bed - I'll be joining her shortly)

Give her a bagpipe lesson.

681 palomino  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:54:19pm

re: #636 talon_262

But, Pryor did co-write the screen play with Brooks and others...the reason he didn't play Bart was the studio brass was seeing him getting wasted all the time and thought he was nuts.

Right, the story of Pryor's career is filled with substance abuse. Eventually it ruined him.

But in the mid-70s Pryor was at the height of his powers, a real comic genius. Cleavon Little was certainly competent and funny, but he didn't have that undefineable spark that made Pryor the Number 1 ranked comic in history as voted by his peers.

682 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:55:01pm

re: #673 Mr Pancakes

Classic movie... as was Young Frankenstein.

That movie made me laugh so much, so hard.
I loved it.

683 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:55:59pm

Okay, so I saw this in an AP article about Obama being insensitive:

"He is thinking like a lawyer and not like an American, making declarations without America's best interest in mind," said Andrew Harris, a Republican running for Congress in Maryland against first-term Democratic Rep. Frank Kratovil.

and I still, for the life of me, can't figure out what's so bad about the President "thinking like a lawyer." Can I get some help over here?

684 Mr Pancakes  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:56:09pm

re: #682 reine.de.tout

That movie made me laugh so much, so hard.
I loved it.

Just watched it with my daughter......... "Put the candle baaaaaaaack!"

685 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:56:32pm

re: #669 Jimmah

Ohh and Jimmah, I can't wait to see her comments on the wingnut snuff porn.

686 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:56:53pm

re: #671 tnguitarist

Is that in the same family as the skin flute?

Woot!

687 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:56:57pm

re: #679 LudwigVanQuixote

And the same top you from both of us.

Is this going to turn into another S&M thread?

688 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:57:07pm

re: #663 Floral Giraffe

From me too!
*waves*

And hello to you hon!

689 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:57:35pm

re: #687 JasonA

Is this going to turn into another S&M thread?

LOL that was a classic typo.

690 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:57:38pm

re: #659 Mr Pancakes

Mongolian beef... cook at table yum.

Mongolian beef signature dish that Mongo always try before deciding to return again. If Mongolian beef orgasmic or really really good, Mongo go back. If no good and truly suck something bad, Mongo not go back. Mongo knows how to discern things.

691 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:57:55pm

re: #664 Cato the Elder

Jeebus Corky, man, I learned to use chopsticks three weeks after I was schooled to the knife and fork.

I bet you can't play any instruments beyond the one-hole pipe, either?

Am I right?

Mongo not as smart as Elder. Mongo not musically inclined. Mongo jealous Elder more experienced with one hole pipe.

692 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:58:15pm

re: #681 palomino

Right, the story of Pryor's career is filled with substance abuse. Eventually it ruined him.

But in the mid-70s Pryor was at the height of his powers, a real comic genius. Cleavon Little was certainly competent and funny, but he didn't have that undefineable spark that made Pryor the Number 1 ranked comic in history as voted by his peers.

Oh, I agree that Pryor was in his prime back then, but I think, that for the role of Bart, Little was a better fit than Pryor would have been. But, I'm sure Pryor helped Little (and Brooks) out a lot, injecting ideas and gags into the script that made Little better in the role (and the movie a lot funnier).

693 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:59:49pm

re: #635 SanFranciscoZionist

I feel like she adopted this pose of being very religious to dress up being a hardcore social conservative. She trashed 'less religious' Jews. Then she wanders off because, yes, being an Orthodox Jew is A LOT HARDER than being an evangelical Christian. It just is. She should have known that going in.

And because it was hard, and because she didn't feel the warm fuzzy vibes she needed, and because the Jewish community didn't make a big enough deal out of her, she stomped off...OK, it happens, but rather than saying 'my spiritual path is going somewhere else' or something, she makes it Judaism's fault. It's never her fault, it's always someone else's fault--and lo and behold, she's suddenly spouting the usual Christian criticism's of Judaism--too cold, too much praxis--and bashing rabbis who want to put up menorahs, and...eeeccchhh.

Holy shit, she appears to have been "perfected" by Ann Coulter, somebody should check her for lumbar punctures and foot-thumbs:

Schlessinger even hinted at a possible turn to Christianity — a move that, radio insiders say, would elevate her career far beyond the 300 stations that currently syndicate her show. “I have envied all my Christian friends who really, universally, deeply feel loved by God,” she said. “They use the name Jesus when they refer to God… that was a mystery, being connected to God.”

694 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 9:59:55pm

Since we were talking of Founders earlier; one of my cousins posted this to his Facebook page:

Although I admire Ben Franklin, here's a choice quote that could come from one of today's demagogues. "Why should Pennsylvania, founded by the English, become a Colony of Aliens, who will shortly be so numerous as to Germanize us instead of our Anglifying them, and will never adopt our Language or Customs, any more than they can acquire our Complexion."

695 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:00:04pm

re: #678 reine.de.tout

SFZ - you still here?

Yep.

696 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:00:19pm

re: #691 TheMatrix31

I'm sure that will get you a Mandyding, lame boy.

697 jayzee  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:01:57pm

The right continues to cannibalize their own. This is the crazy.

I truly hope that Christie's comments on the mosque will open the eyes of someone at the RNC. Maybe crazy isn't the best course for them to set sail on.

698 jayzee  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:02:50pm

re: #693 goddamnedfrank

Holy shit, she appears to have been "perfected" by Ann Coulter, somebody should check her for lumbar punctures and foot-thumbs:

I wanna be perfected.

699 palomino  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:03:07pm

re: #648 talon_262

re: #633 Dark_Falcon


I disagree...at that point in time, Pryor was brash and brazen, a maniac (who was freebasing his ass off, literally later on down the road), while Little was more urbane, a smooth character.

I can't imagine anyone other than Cleavon Little as Bart, the way the final movie was written (and I think Pryor had a lot to do with it, behind the scenes).

Little was funny in an understated way, Pryor would have been over the top manic and hilarious, totally conistent with Brooks' best movies.

Your timeline of Pyror's demise is off by a few years. Sure, he was using druges, but his best roles, from Lady Sings the Blues to Silver Streak to Blue Collar to Greased Lightning were all in the mid 70's, contemporaneous with Blazing Saddles. His downfall, both creatively and physically, began in the early 80s.

700 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:03:35pm

re: #697 jayzee

The right continues to cannibalize their own. This is the crazy.

I truly hope that Christie's comments on the mosque will open the eyes of someone at the RNC. Maybe crazy isn't the best course for them to set sail on.

WOW. WOW. WOW.

701 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:03:46pm

re: #698 jayzee

I wanna be perfected.

I wanna be sedated!

702 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:05:08pm

re: #672 JasonA

Wtf is wrong with television over there?

Heh. We haven't even scraped the surface yet. Caution - seriously dark humour ahead:

703 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:05:37pm

This part made me laugh:

“I have envied all my Christian friends who really, universally, deeply feel loved by God,” she said. “They use the name Jesus when they refer to God… that was a mystery, being connected to God.”

Do you Jews not like to spoon with God or something? What's the deal?

/

704 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:05:53pm

re: #701 SanFranciscoZionist

I wanna be sedated!

Excellent tune

705 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:06:14pm

re: #695 SanFranciscoZionist

Yep.

I was looking at top 10/bottom 10, and came across this of yours in the top:

I come to it from a somewhat different perspective. I found the Lizards, even as early as 2007 or so, very interesting, and liked Charles' articles and links, but found the commentariat as a whole horrifyingly smug, intolerant, and obsessed with the evil and stupidity of liberals. (This is not to say that anyone here now was ever like that folks, please remain calm.)

I joined because it was a safe place on the Internet for a battered Israel supporter.

Watching the election was like watching people go insane. I had first thought it would be very interesting to observe an election from a mostly Republican viewpoint, not something I get in my daily life, but people were, as far as I could tell, losing their ever-loving minds.

And then things started to shift, rather quickly.

Yes, this was a very safe place on the internet for an Israel supporter (battered or not). And you are absolutely correct, many here did lose their ever-loving minds.

It was weird to watch. It got worse and worse, and stranger and stranger, and then of course, the flouncing began.

It was absolute, sheer, raw fear. What amazed me (seeing as how I thought those folks were conservative in the way I am), what surprised me was that I could see absolutely no trust in our way of life and our form of government, at all, a very surprising thing for me to see from people I honestly expected to have more sense.

Anhooo - I just came across your comment and wanted to comment, so . . . there ya go.

706 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:06:44pm

re: #702 Jimmah

Mongo like dark humor. Mongo think people scared to make joke here in America. Mongo believe America becoming pussified.

707 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:07:08pm

re: #688 LudwigVanQuixote

Code Monkey for you, Dear!

708 jayzee  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:07:20pm

re: #700 SanFranciscoZionist

WOW. WOW. WOW.


Mind boggingly crazy. Really, though hearing that discussion would've been priceless.

709 Biocritic  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:07:22pm

Excuse me: But former President Bush hasn't commented on almost any public policy matter since he left office. That's the way it used to be done and he's a class act for doing it.

710 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:07:49pm

re: #698 jayzee

I wanna be perfected.

Well, then.

Schlessinger began her August 5 program by noting that, prior to each broadcast, she spends an hour reading faxes from fans and listeners. “By and large the faxes from Christians have been very loving, very supportive,” she said. “From my own religion, I have either gotten nothing, which is 99% of it, or two of the nastiest letters I have gotten in a long time. I guess that’s my point — I don’t get much back. Not much warmth coming back.”

Maybe, just maybe, you might want to consider the possibility that that's because you're a disgraceful, blame-gaming, Other-hating, judgmental chillul Hashem shandah kurveh, Laura?

Nah. Couldn't be that.

711 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:07:52pm

re: #703 JasonA

This part made me laugh:

Do you Jews not like to spoon with God or something? What's the deal?

/

Yeah because you know, it's not like we teach that the first commandment means getting to know him and all - and it isn't like we have a tradition where our heroes constantly talk to and even argue with Him...

Disgusting.

712 sagehen  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:08:31pm

re: #697 jayzee

The right continues to cannibalize their own. This is the crazy.

I truly hope that Christie's comments on the mosque will open the eyes of someone at the RNC. Maybe crazy isn't the best course for them to set sail on.

O.M.G.

I repeat. O. M. G.

They're dropping Ann Coulter from their conference because she's too moderate and inclusive? That's just astonishing.

713 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:08:32pm

re: #706 TheMatrix31

Mongo like dark humor. Mongo think people scared to make joke here in America. Mongo believe America becoming pussified.

Come an say that to my face.

714 jayzee  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:08:35pm

re: #703 JasonA

This part made me laugh:

Do you Jews not like to spoon with God or something? What's the deal?

/

We do, but sometimes he doesn't like to cuddle and he get's grumpy about always working, being unappreciated except for when people need something. Stuff like that.

715 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:08:47pm

re: #705 reine.de.tout

I was looking at top 10/bottom 10, and came across this of yours in the top:

Yes, this was a very safe place on the internet for an Israel supporter (battered or not). And you are absolutely correct, many here did lose their ever-loving minds.

It was weird to watch. It got worse and worse, and stranger and stranger, and then of course, the flouncing began.

It was absolute, sheer, raw fear. What amazed me (seeing as how I thought those folks were conservative in the way I am), what surprised me was that I could see absolutely no trust in our way of life and our form of government, at all, a very surprising thing for me to see from people I honestly expected to have more sense.

Anhooo - I just came across your comment and wanted to comment, so . . . there ya go.

crap.
Here's the finish I meant to include.
The group went from being pro-Israel, to being totally & completely anti-Muslim.

And that's when it got really crazy.

716 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:09:14pm

re: #713 Cato the Elder

I'll run circles around you, old man.

717 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:09:30pm

re: #701 SanFranciscoZionist

I wanna be sedated!

That can be arranged. *grin*

718 sagehen  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:10:05pm

re: #703 JasonA

This part made me laugh:

Do you Jews not like to spoon with God or something? What's the deal?

/

Please. We argue with God. We get right up in his face and tell him he's making a mistake and needs to change his policies...

719 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:10:18pm

re: #713 Cato the Elder

Mongo great player on best defense ever.

720 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:10:33pm

re: #705 reine.de.tout

I was looking at top 10/bottom 10, and came across this of yours in the top:

Yes, this was a very safe place on the internet for an Israel supporter (battered or not). And you are absolutely correct, many here did lose their ever-loving minds.

It was weird to watch. It got worse and worse, and stranger and stranger, and then of course, the flouncing began.

It was absolute, sheer, raw fear. What amazed me (seeing as how I thought those folks were conservative in the way I am), what surprised me was that I could see absolutely no trust in our way of life and our form of government, at all, a very surprising thing for me to see from people I honestly expected to have more sense.

Anhooo - I just came across your comment and wanted to comment, so . . . there ya go.

Thanks. It's good for me to see various perspectives on what was going on at the time.

I think you put your finger on it...fear and lack of trust. As though everything was going to collapse based on one presidential election. Pick the wrong guy, and it's ALL OVER.

I grew up in a neighborhood with a lot of immigrants from the then-USSR, and I remember that when Clinton was elected, a lot of them were very frightened. They had no context for a peaceful transfer of power across party lines, and they expected violence.

It was odd for me to see Americans think in a similar way.

Thanks for taking the time to respond and give me more insight!

721 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:11:35pm

re: #709 Biocritic

Excuse me: But former President Bush hasn't commented on almost any public policy matter since he left office. That's the way it used to be done and he's a class act for doing it.

In this case, I kind of wish he would. He wouldn't be stepping on Obama's toes--this is nothing the president should be bothered with in the first place.

But I can see reasons he wouldn't want to get into this.

722 jayzee  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:12:06pm

re: #712 sagehen

O.M.G.

I repeat. O. M. G.

They're dropping Ann Coulter from their conference because she's too moderate and inclusive? That's just astonishing.

But the title is the best-dropped due to "homoconflict". It sounds like a gay porn series.

723 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:12:21pm

re: #716 TheMatrix31

I'll run circles around you, old man.

Heh. If you believe the myths I spread about myself, you might.

In reality, you couldn't beat me to the corner Starbucks to prevent me from standing you a latte.

724 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:12:39pm

re: #699 palomino

Little was funny in an understated way, Pryor would have been over the top manic and hilarious, totally conistent with Brooks' best movies.

Your timeline of Pyror's demise is off by a few years. Sure, he was using druges, but his best roles, from Lady Sings the Blues to Silver Streak to Blue Collar to Greased Lightning were all in the mid 70's, contemporaneous with Blazing Saddles. His downfall, both creatively and physically, began in the early 80s.

I'm aware that Pryor did a lot of acting (among other things) after writing on Blazing Saddles...I love a lot of his movies, especially his collaborations with Gene Wilder (Stir Crazy and Silver Streak are among my favorites). But, he'd been doing standup and albums for years before that...he was just approaching the prime of his career in the mid-70s. As far as his standup, Live on the Sunset Strip was among his best, IMO.

As far as Blazing Saddles is concerned, I think Pryor did much more as a writer than he would have in the lead.

725 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:12:53pm

re: #675 LudwigVanQuixote

My God, that was brilliant!

"Jam", by Chris Morris, is a classic series of extremely dark comedic sketches from the 90's. I don't think Channel 4 has the guts to broadcast anything like that currently.

726 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:13:04pm

re: #697 jayzee

The right continues to cannibalize their own. This is the crazy.

I truly hope that Christie's comments on the mosque will open the eyes of someone at the RNC. Maybe crazy isn't the best course for them to set sail on.

Holy cow.
My jaw just dropped to the floor.
What. The. Hell.

727 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:13:28pm

re: #687 JasonA

Is this going to turn into another S&M thread?

It very well could....

728 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:13:39pm

re: #723 Cato the Elder

Not a fan of coffee products.

729 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:14:20pm

re: #707 Floral Giraffe

That was great!

730 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:14:35pm

re: #710 Cato the Elder

Well, then.

Maybe, just maybe, you might want to consider the possibility that that's because you're a disgraceful, blame-gaming, Other-hating, judgmental chillul Hashem shandah kurveh, Laura?

Nah. Couldn't be that.

And because Jews, in general, don't need so-con talk radio people to represent them in an imaginary boxing match with the liberal world?

I don't have much in common, socially speaking, with Rebbetzin Esther Jungreis, but I read her books because she has something to teach me about Torah.

You don't get to be Rebbetzin Jungreis by going on talk radio and scolding people. She was an entertainer and a social commenter. I never thought of her as a religious figure, and neither did the Jews who agree with her on social issues.

731 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:15:20pm

re: #712 sagehen

O.M.G.

I repeat. O. M. G.

They're dropping Ann Coulter from their conference because she's too moderate and inclusive? That's just astonishing.

She's going to talk to the gays. Can't have people going and talking to the gays, and acting as though sodomy is a lifestyle choice.

732 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:16:41pm

re: #702 Jimmah

I want to call that bizarre, but the word just doesn't have enough oomph.

733 Jimmah  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:17:51pm

Night folks :)

734 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:18:52pm

re: #718 sagehen

Please. We argue with God. We get right up in his face and tell him he's making a mistake and needs to change his policies...

But also, God argues with us.

And that's part of a lot of Christian tradition as well, but I think Dr. Laura is talking about the very intellectually lightweight part of the Protestant world, where God's love is not only unconditional, but doesn't obligate you to do anything, or examine your own actions, and sin sort of doesn't exist any more for people like you. That's what attracted her.

I don't mean to be a jerk about Protestants, or being born again, or salvation or anything like that...but it's my observation that there's a brand of evangelical social conservative who's obsessed with how much God loves THEM, and how concerned God is with everyone ELSE'S behavior. And I think that's what Dr. Laura wanted, and felt lacking in Judaism.

It is lacking in Judaism, thank God.

735 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:19:18pm

re: #732 JasonA

You should have that beer, and maybe the word will come to you.

736 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:19:26pm

re: #720 SanFranciscoZionist

I was then and have always been a moderate who leans left. I came here also largely because it was nice to see news on Israel that wasn't bashing her and the State given some love for a change.

I can't tell you how many times in the early days, I would bite my tongue when there would be whatever hardcore right wing screed. The one day I just sort of decided WTF. I would speak my mind and be damned if other folks on the web loved me or not.

So far, I have to say, that was the best thing to do for being on LGF. I love posting here and I genuinely like many of the writers here.

There was always a core of very smart folks here who could be persuaded in an argument. There was also always a core of die-hard twits, but most of them are thankfully gone now.

737 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:20:09pm

re: #726 reine.de.tout

Holy cow.
My jaw just dropped to the floor.
What. The. Hell.

Ann Coulter is a RINO now.

"There's no one left but thee and we, and we're not sure of thee."

738 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:21:02pm

re: #737 SanFranciscoZionist

Ann Coulter is a RINO now.

"There's no one left but thee and we, and we're not sure of thee."

Ain't that a pip? Maybe a little of her karma is coming home to roost...

739 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:21:16pm

re: #710 Cato the Elder

Well, then.

Maybe, just maybe, you might want to consider the possibility that that's because you're a disgraceful, blame-gaming, Other-hating, judgmental chillul Hashem shandah kurveh, Laura?

Nah. Couldn't be that.

Damn Cato... I agree with you, but do you have any idea just how intense what you said was? You probably do, but Damn.

740 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:21:52pm

re: #730 SanFranciscoZionist

And because Jews, in general, don't need so-con talk radio people to represent them in an imaginary boxing match with the liberal world?

I don't have much in common, socially speaking, with Rebbetzin Esther Jungreis, but I read her books because she has something to teach me about Torah.

You don't get to be Rebbetzin Jungreis by going on talk radio and scolding people. She was an entertainer and a social commenter. I never thought of her as a religious figure, and neither did the Jews who agree with her on social issues.

Well, and not only that, but "Dr. 'Rat Torturer' Laura", who, as best as I can discover, didn't become a Jew by conversion until 1998, took only five years to decide that Judaism wasn't up to her ultra-mega-hyper-meta standards before her lesbo encounter with Ann "Stick Insect" Orexia Coulter "perfected" her to the point of apostasy.

My muscular buttocks, what a twat.

741 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:22:24pm

re: #736 LudwigVanQuixote

I miss the rooster.

742 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:22:46pm

re: #740 Cato the Elder

Well, and not only that, but "Dr. 'Rat Torturer' Laura", who, as best as I can discover, didn't become a Jew by conversion until 1998, took only five years to decide that Judaism wasn't up to her ultra-mega-hyper-meta standards before her lesbo encounter with Ann "Stick Insect" Orexia Coulter "perfected" her to the point of apostasy.

My muscular buttocks, what a twat.

Woah woah, She and Coulter got together? IS that for real?

743 Nick Schroeder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:23:48pm

That's pretty sad. There were a few things about Bush that I liked, notably his ability to kind of keep the extreme crazies at bay. Ronald Reagan was better at it, but Bush at least gave it his best, with the mediocre results that typify his life. But at least he tried. Now, the GOP just embraces the crazy.

744 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:24:52pm

re: #742 LudwigVanQuixote

Yeah bro, they like, totally had lezbeein sexxx!

745 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:26:32pm

re: #743 Nick Schroeder

That's pretty sad. There were a few things about Bush that I liked, notably his ability to kind of keep the extreme crazies at bay. Ronald Reagan was better at it, but Bush at least gave it his best, with the mediocre results that typify his life. But at least he tried. Now, the GOP just embraces the crazy.

Bush had to keep the crazies at bay and he did. It could have turned really ugly in the days following 9/11.

746 palomino  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:26:35pm

re: #724 talon_262

I'm aware that Pryor did a lot of acting (among other things) after writing on Blazing Saddles...I love a lot of his movies, especially his collaborations with Gene Wilder (Stir Crazy and Silver Streak are among my favorites). But, he'd been doing standup and albums for years before that...he was just approaching the prime of his career in the mid-70s. As far as his standup, Live on the Sunset Strip was among his best, IMO.

As far as Blazing Saddles is concerned, I think Pryor did much more as a writer than he would have in the lead.

I'm biased, since I've loved Pryor ever since I heard his early albums as a young child. I shouldn't have been listening to such material as "Bicentennial Ni**er" as a 6-year old, but I had mischievous older brothers who played it for me.

Pryor had already had acting success in Lady Sings the Blues two years before BS. Hard to imagine BS being a better film, but Pryor's anarchic high-strung insanity might have done the trick. I guess my point is that no one will ever accuse Cleavon Little of being a comic genius.

747 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:26:39pm

re: #739 LudwigVanQuixote

Damn Cato... I agree with you, but do you have any idea just how intense what you said was? You probably do, but Damn.

To lighten the mood:

Years ago, I was teaching an ESL middle school class. One day, we are sitting around, the kids are doing homework and finishing up a project, all very low-key.

One of my Spanish-speakers turns to another Spanish-speaker and says, holding up his math homework, "How do you say 'curve' in Spanish?"

"Curva" she says.

"What?"

"CURVA. CURVA."

At this point, my Hungarian kid starts laughing like a loon. "Say it again, say it again!" he yells.

The other kid looks confused. "Say what? Curva?"

Hungarian continues to shriek with laughter. "That's great! Say it again!"

The Spanish speakers are staring at him in total confusion. I, on the other hand, have figured it out.

"Adam," I say, "CUT IT OUT. That word means the same in Yiddish as it does in Hungarian, but it doesn't mean that in Spanish. 'Kay?"

The Spanish speakers look baffled. Everyone goes back to work.

748 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:26:54pm

re: #734 SanFranciscoZionist

But also, God argues with us.

And that's part of a lot of Christian tradition as well, but I think Dr. Laura is talking about the very intellectually lightweight part of the Protestant world, where God's love is not only unconditional, but doesn't obligate you to do anything, or examine your own actions, and sin sort of doesn't exist any more for people like you. That's what attracted her.

I don't mean to be a jerk about Protestants, or being born again, or salvation or anything like that...but it's my observation that there's a brand of evangelical social conservative who's obsessed with how much God loves THEM, and how concerned God is with everyone ELSE'S behavior. And I think that's what Dr. Laura wanted, and felt lacking in Judaism.

It is lacking in Judaism, thank God.

"Cheap grace is the mortal enemy of our church. Our struggle today is for costly grace."

Dietrich Bonhoeffer

749 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:27:41pm

re: #747 SanFranciscoZionist

So, what does it mean?!?

750 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:27:42pm

re: #739 LudwigVanQuixote

Damn Cato... I agree with you, but do you have any idea just how intense what you said was? You probably do, but Damn.

Ire: #739 LudwigVanQuixote

Damn Cato... I agree with you, but do you have any idea just how intense what you said was? You probably do, but Damn.

I never say a word I do not mean.

I might retract it three seconds later, but I mean it when I say it.

My father tells me that the difference between me and my brother is I know how to apologize.

And I will, when proven wrong. And I will not defend everything I say to the last drop of blood.

But when I say it, I mean it.

751 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:28:07pm

re: #745 tnguitarist

Bush had to keep the crazies at bay and he did. It could have turned really ugly in the days following 9/11.

Surely Bush wasn't keeping them at bay. After all, he wasn't the one controlling things.

ChenfeldMcHalliroveton was.

752 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:28:11pm

re: #749 tnguitarist

So, what does it mean?!?

Whore.

753 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:29:29pm

re: #751 TheMatrix31

Surely Bush wasn't keeping them at bay. After all, he wasn't the one controlling things.

ChenfeldMcHalliroveton was.

You need to drill some more holes in that flute. That one note is getting old.

754 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:30:17pm

re: #746 palomino

I'm biased, since I've loved Pryor ever since I heard his early albums as a young child. I shouldn't have been listening to such material as "Bicentennial Ni**er" as a 6-year old, but I had mischievous older brothers who played it for me.

Pryor had already had acting success in Lady Sings the Blues two years before BS. Hard to imagine BS being a better film, but Pryor's anarchic high-strung insanity might have done the trick. I guess my point is that no one will ever accuse Cleavon Little of being a comic genius.

Nor Leslie Nielsen, but that was the whole point of his casting in Airplane! For Pryor to have played Bart I think it would have to have been written much differently.

And... are we really discussing how Blazing Saddles should have been better?!?

755 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:30:28pm

re: #731 SanFranciscoZionist

She's going to talk to the gays. Can't have people going and talking to the gays, and acting as though sodomy is a lifestyle choice.

I once had a lover who enjoyed...

Oh, come on. It's not like teh gheys are the only ones who enjoy that sort of thing.

756 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:30:29pm

re: #749 tnguitarist

So, what does it mean?!?

so what does it mean?
when we tell ourselves it's only for a while we have been deceived
and it's only for a moment that the treasures of our day
make life easier to complicate,
the treasure thrown away,

757 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:31:03pm

re: #753 tnguitarist

You need to drill some more holes in that flute. That one note is getting old.

Ask Cato. He's the elder statesman when it comes to playing the one-holed pipe, or skin flute as someone else called it.

758 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:31:20pm

re: #753 tnguitarist

You need to drill some more holes in that flute. That one note is getting old.

Are we giving him a Prince Albert or something?

759 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:32:15pm

re: #742 LudwigVanQuixote

Woah woah, She and Coulter got together? IS that for real?

I'm afraid so, here's a live shot of the action.

760 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:32:24pm

re: #755 eclectic infidel

I once had a lover who enjoyed...

Oh, come on. It's not like teh gheys are the only ones who enjoy that sort of thing.

It's worse when they do it, though.

//Reminds me of the folks who kept insisting that 'teabagger' was not only offensive to the Tea Party Folk, but homophobic. Any couple with at least one scrotum between them can teabag.

761 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:32:48pm

re: #746 palomino

I'm biased, since I've loved Pryor ever since I heard his early albums as a young child. I shouldn't have been listening to such material as "Bicentennial Ni**er" as a 6-year old, but I had mischievous older brothers who played it for me.

Pryor had already had acting success in Lady Sings the Blues two years before BS. Hard to imagine BS being a better film, but Pryor's anarchic high-strung insanity might have done the trick. I guess my point is that no one will ever accuse Cleavon Little of being a comic genius.

True, but when Mel Brooks and Richard Pryor (among others) are writing his lines and gags, Little didn't need to be. Like I said, Little's urbaneness as Bart made the character stand out.

762 jayzee  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:33:09pm

re: #759 goddamnedfrank

I'm afraid so, here's a live shot of the action.

There is no way I will click that link. Nothing good can come of it.

763 jayzee  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:34:01pm

Laila Tov. Sweet dreams.

764 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:34:06pm

re: #742 LudwigVanQuixote

Woah woah, She and Coulter got together? IS that for real?

NTTAWWT.

765 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:34:13pm

re: #758 JasonA

Are we giving him a Prince Albert or something?

Ouch. Who was the first person that decided that would be a good idea, anyway? I often wonder the same thing about circus performers. Who woke up one day and thought, "I think I'll try swallowing a sword today."

766 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:34:30pm

re: #762 jayzee

There is no way I will click that link. Nothing good can come of it.

Absofrickinglootley!
Not enough brain bleach on the planet!

767 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:35:33pm

re: #764 Cato the Elder

NTTAWWT.

Yes. There is. Two people that unpleasant should not have sex together. It could create a rift in the fabric of the universe that horrible, horrible things could escape through into our world.

768 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:36:04pm

re: #751 TheMatrix31

Surely Bush wasn't keeping them at bay. After all, he wasn't the one controlling things.

ChenfeldMcHalliroveton was.

Now your just being sad.

769 DaddyLawBucks  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:37:05pm

re: #767 SanFranciscoZionist

lets hope they put the tape for sale on the internet!

770 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:37:29pm

re: #757 TheMatrix31

Ask Cato. He's the elder statesman when it comes to playing the one-holed pipe, or skin flute as someone else called it.

Considering that I think your proficiency upon even that simple instrument is rudimentary at best, I take that as a compliment.

771 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:37:39pm

re: #768 Cato the Elder

Now your just being sad.

Big Bad Elder with the typo. Wow.

772 jayzee  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:38:03pm

re: #766 Floral Giraffe

Absofrickinglootley!
Not enough brain bleach on the planet!

Definitely not before sleep. Totally the wrong vibe upon which to build tonight's dreams upon.

773 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:38:26pm

re: #770 Cato the Elder

Considering that I think your proficiency upon even that simple instrument is rudimentary at best, I take that as a compliment.

I don't think it's a desired skill to be proficient at fiddling with the one-hole pipe.

Have fun with that, broseph.

774 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:38:30pm

Speaking of WND's little get-together, here's a fun lineup of topics:

THE CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS

9:00AM
Joseph Farah
Taking America Back

9:30AM
Aaron Klein
The Manchurian President

10:00AM
Floyd Brown
Our Constitution in Peril

This is just the first hour and a half!

775 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:39:14pm

re: #353 WindUpBird

Did you do Thunderdome? I want to do Thunderdome, but I'm a spindly out-of shape guy and I don't want my BM experience to end with a 3 hour ambulance ride :D

Just saw this post now. Yes. I saw Thunderdome in 2001 and was there when it was shut down.

So I wandered off and found some house music blasting in another neighborhood. Danced till dawn and stumbled into the cafe for a blast of caffeine.

776 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:39:41pm

re: #775 eclectic infidel

Just saw this post now. Yes. I saw Thunderdome in 2001 and was there when it was shut down.

So I wandered off and found some house music blasting in another neighborhood. Danced till dawn and stumbled into the cafe for a blast of caffeine.

cafe = central camp

777 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:40:11pm

re: #765 tnguitarist

Ouch. Who was the first person that decided that would be a good idea, anyway? I often wonder the same thing about circus performers. Who woke up one day and thought, "I think I'll try swallowing a sword today."

Certainly not I.

the first, at least...

778 palomino  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:40:22pm

re: #754 JasonA

Nor Leslie Nielsen, but that was the whole point of his casting in Airplane! For Pryor to have played Bart I think it would have to have been written much differently.

And... are we really discussing how Blazing Saddles should have been better?!?

True, it's like talking about a 9.9 vs. a 10. But as good as the '96 Bulls were, we can always speculate about how they could have been even better with Hakeem Olajuwon at center; or the '76 Reds with Nolan Ryan on the pitching staff.

I really think that "Excuse me while I whip this out" would have been even more hilarious, almost surreal and subversive, delivered by Pryor. He probably wrote the line, so who better to say it? And he certainly had chemistry with Gene Wilder, as later films would show.

779 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:40:28pm

re: #774 JasonA

Speaking of WND's little get-together, here's a fun lineup of topics:

THE CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS

9:00AM
Joseph Farah
Taking America Back

9:30AM
Aaron Klein
The Manchurian President

10:00AM
Floyd Brown
Our Constitution in Peril

This is just the first hour and a half!

Yeeesssh...

780 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:40:48pm

re: #774 JasonA

They'll have those seniors in a tizzy before their mid-morning snack.

781 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:40:59pm

re: #769 daddylawbucks

lets hope they put the tape for sale on the internet!

NO.

782 Nick Schroeder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:41:13pm

re: #762 jayzee

There is no way I will click that link. Nothing good can come of it.

It's actually quite harmless, and pretty hilarious.

re: #745 tnguitarist

Bush had to keep the crazies at bay and he did. It could have turned really ugly in the days following 9/11.

Yeah. One of the things that really baffles the hell out of me about all this Ground Zero Terror-Loving MegaMosque of Doom shit is that I could totally understand if such a retarded and unfair backlash happened, like, 9 years ago. But it kind of doesn't make sense that it seems to be occurring almost a decade after the fact.

Of course, roughly ten years ago Republican officials did at least try to convey some sense of leadership and political guidance. Now they've just given up and are pandering to the low hanging fruit of the population that can be easily stirred by xenophobic idiocy and blatant racism.

*sigh*

783 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:41:30pm

I added a few more quotes to the overnight thread extravaganza.

784 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:41:46pm

re: #774 JasonA

Speaking of WND's little get-together, here's a fun lineup of topics:

THE CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS

9:00AM
Joseph Farah
Taking America Back

9:30AM
Aaron Klein
The Manchurian President

10:00AM
Floyd Brown
Our Constitution in Peril

This is just the first hour and a half!


FML. F-M-L.

785 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:42:44pm

re: #782 Nick Schroeder

It's actually quite harmless, and pretty hilarious.

re: #745 tnguitarist

Yeah. One of the things that really baffles the hell out of me about all this Ground Zero Terror-Loving MegaMosque of Doom shit is that I could totally understand if such a retarded and unfair backlash happened, like, 9 years ago. But it kind of doesn't make sense that it seems to be occurring almost a decade after the fact.

Of course, roughly ten years ago Republican officials did at least try to convey some sense of leadership and political guidance. Now they've just given up and are pandering to the low hanging fruit of the population that can be easily stirred by xenophobic idiocy and blatant racism.

*sigh*

I think, also, right after 9/11 we had some clear and present problems to solve, and we were united in the way a community is after a disaster.

Now, it's being used to distract people from the cruddy economy. Whole different ball of wax.

786 Nimed  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:44:39pm

re: #774 JasonA

Speaking of WND's little get-together, here's a fun lineup of topics:

THE CONSTITUTIONAL CRISIS

9:00AM
Joseph Farah
Taking America Back

9:30AM
Aaron Klein
The Manchurian President

10:00AM
Floyd Brown
Our Constitution in Peril

This is just the first hour and a half!

Look at the bright side -- this is possible outcome of the seminar.

787 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:45:07pm

Or we could show up after lunch on Friday and see what "outreach" really means.

THE ISLAMIC THREAT
1:30PM
Aaron Klein
The Islamic Dream: The Destruction of Israel

2:00PM
Joseph Farah
The Muslim Mafia: CAIR’s Manipulation of the American Legal System

2:30PM
PANEL DISCUSSION / Q & A
Aaron Klein, Joseph Farah, Chuck Missler, Alan Keyes

788 TedStriker  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:46:11pm

re: #778 palomino

True, it's like talking about a 9.9 vs. a 10. But as good as the '96 Bulls were, we can always speculate about how they could have been even better with Hakeem Olajuwon at center; or the '76 Reds with Nolan Ryan on the pitching staff.

I really think that "Excuse me while I whip this out" would have been even more hilarious, almost surreal and subversive, delivered by Pryor. He probably wrote the line, so who better to say it? And he certainly had chemistry with Gene Wilder, as later films would show.

Alas. it wasn't to be, but at least Pryor was involved in the writing (and I'll wager he wrote bits and gags all throughout the movie, not just for Little). To me, that's a more fitting contribution for him.

789 palomino  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:46:43pm

re: #743 Nick Schroeder

That's pretty sad. There were a few things about Bush that I liked, notably his ability to kind of keep the extreme crazies at bay. Ronald Reagan was better at it, but Bush at least gave it his best, with the mediocre results that typify his life. But at least he tried. Now, the GOP just embraces the crazy.

I think part of embracing the crazy was the desperation the gop felt after their big losses of '06 and '08. Now that they look to be on track for big wins in Nov., they're reluctant to alienate the insane voters they've picked up along the way.

790 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:47:08pm

re: #747 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #749 tnguitarist

Actually it was the chillul Hashem I was focusing on.

Chillul Hashem literally means desecration of God's name. It is a concept that I think the world would be better for if more religious people understood it.

Heresy is included in the concept, but it goes beyond that.

The deeper meaning is that through word or deed one has taken some goodness and rightness out of creation - in the name of the Creator.

A great example would be one who preaches baseless hatred and wanton violence towards the innocent in the name of "justice."

791 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:47:23pm

You see, I'm just not convinced that BS would have been better with Pryor. You guys just haven't won me over. It's all Bush's fault...

792 DaddyLawBucks  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:47:23pm

re: #785 SanFranciscoZionist

The hate over the "hallowed ground" mosque relates in a vague way to our favorite "doctor" --- her radio career is based on spreading hate speech against gays, Jews, and liberals, and it has made her a fortune. Spreading hate speech against the mosque will probably generate a lot of money for the people spreading it. In both cases, pandering to the lowest level of society, and reinforcing ignorance and bigotry for economic gain, without consideration of the damage done overall to society.

793 William Barnett-Lewis  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:48:01pm

Well, it's getting a wee bit late here in the central time zone. Have a good night and many blessings to all of you.

794 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:48:04pm

re: #767 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. There is. Two people that unpleasant should not have sex together. It could create a rift in the fabric of the universe that horrible, horrible things could escape through into our world.

Cthulu!

795 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:48:13pm

re: #772 jayzee

Definitely not before sleep. Totally the wrong vibe upon which to build tonight's dreams upon.

How can you know a grrrl will fancy you before you know you can fancy yourself?

Or do you rape watermelons and gourds when no willing maiden is about?

796 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:49:05pm

re: #794 LudwigVanQuixote

Cthulu!

hmm... I did just replace my Lovecraft book, now that you mention it. (Never loan books, dammit!)

797 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:51:08pm

re: #796 JasonA

hmm... I did just replace my Lovecraft book, now that you mention it. (Never loan books, dammit!)

Or movies.

798 Nimed  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:51:36pm

re: #782 Nick Schroeder

It's actually quite harmless, and pretty hilarious.

re: #745 tnguitarist

Yeah. One of the things that really baffles the hell out of me about all this Ground Zero Terror-Loving MegaMosque of Doom shit is that I could totally understand if such a retarded and unfair backlash happened, like, 9 years ago. But it kind of doesn't make sense that it seems to be occurring almost a decade after the fact.

Of course, roughly ten years ago Republican officials did at least try to convey some sense of leadership and political guidance. Now they've just given up and are pandering to the low hanging fruit of the population that can be easily stirred by xenophobic idiocy and blatant racism.

*sigh*

I don't know -- you may be suffering a bit from presentism here. AFAIC, the madness in this country reached its peak in the months leading up to the Iraq War. As almost everybody was suffering from the same kind of lunacy (albeit in different degrees), people don't remember it very well.

799 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:52:45pm

Am I the only on that fins it disturbing that NewsCorp donate $1 million to the Republican Governors' Association? That's beyond the pale in my book.

800 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:53:03pm

re: #799 tnguitarist

Fins=finds
crap

801 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:56:16pm

re: #799 tnguitarist

Am I the only on that fins it disturbing that NewsCorp donate $1 million to the Republican Governors' Association? That's beyond the pale in my book.

No different than any other biased organization/company/entity donating money to any other politician or party.

802 palomino  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:57:26pm

re: #788 talon_262

Alas. it wasn't to be, but at least Pryor was involved in the writing (and I'll wager he wrote bits and gags all throughout the movie, not just for Little). To me, that's a more fitting contribution for him.

I guess I've always just been a "what if?" kind of guy. Anyway, it's a shame that he burned out so fast. By the mid-80s he was pretty much a shrivelled up shell of his former self. For some reason, the unpredictable inventiveness of artistic genius often seems connected to self-destructiveness. See Jimi Hendrix, Kurt Cobain, Freddie Prinze, James Dean, Vincent van Gogh, and a thousand others.

Another of his classic moments was the "dead honky" sketch on SNL in the late 70s. Can't forget that!

803 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:57:46pm

re: #799 tnguitarist

Am I the only on that fins it disturbing that NewsCorp donate $1 million to the Republican Governors' Association? That's beyond the pale in my book.

Nope. I brought it up last night, but it didn't seem to cause the lizards to stir much. Ah well. Could it be lefty fauxtrage? I dunno. I really think it's bad that a news organization is doing this. Oh well.

804 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:58:17pm

re: #801 TheMatrix31

No different than any other biased organization/company/entity donating money to any other politician or party.

Bullshit. It's a 'news' organization that is openly pushing Republican's agenda. In other words, R's are getting free political advertising.

805 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:59:12pm

re: #804 tnguitarist

Bullshit. It's a 'news' organization that is openly pushing Republican's agenda. In other words, R's are getting free political advertising.

I'm not sure how "Fair and Balanced" can still be taken seriously.

806 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 10:59:40pm

re: #799 tnguitarist

Am I the only on that fins it disturbing that NewsCorp donate $1 million to the Republican Governors' Association? That's beyond the pale in my book.

Well, proportionately speaking, only $70,000 of it came from Prince Alwaleed bin Talal al-Saud, the man who donated money to support the families of Palestinian martyrs.

But it's not 'cultural', it's only politics.

//I'll let this drop someday.

807 palomino  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:00:14pm

re: #801 TheMatrix31

No different than any other biased organization/company/entity donating money to any other politician or party.


Except that alleged news orgs don't often donate to pol parties.

Reason it's not a bigger story is that no one's surprised.

808 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:00:37pm

re: #804 tnguitarist

Bullshit. It's a 'news' organization that is openly pushing Republican's agenda. In other words, R's are getting free political advertising.

Argh. Ok.

809 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:01:12pm

re: #806 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, proportionately speaking, only $70,000 of it came from Prince Alwaleed bin Talal al-Saud, the man who donated money to support the families of Palestinian martyrs.

But it's not 'cultural', it's only politics.

//I'll let this drop someday.

Fuck that guy then.

810 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:01:36pm

re: #806 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, proportionately speaking, only $70,000 of it came from Prince Alwaleed bin Talal al-Saud, the man who donated money to support the families of Palestinian martyrs.

But it's not 'cultural', it's only politics.

//I'll let this drop someday.

The dissonance melts my brain.

Ignore the man behind the curtain!

811 palomino  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:01:47pm

re: #805 JasonA

I'm not sure how "Fair and Balanced" can still be taken seriously.


It's not, except by that diverse group of fox news viewers (1.38% black, woo hoo!)

812 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:04:48pm

re: #809 TheMatrix31

Fuck that guy then.

I'd really rather not, if it's all the same. But I agree with the general sentiment.

813 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:05:08pm

re: #811 palomino

It's not, except by that diverse group of fox news viewers (1.38% black, woo hoo!)

I still wonder about those viewers.

814 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:05:12pm

Did anyone catch Joe Scarborough's comments about the mosque. He can be relatively sane sometimes. I'm surprised the right wing site aren't tearing him a new one. Or are they?

815 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:07:56pm

re: #814 tnguitarist

Did anyone catch Joe Scarborough's comments about the mosque. He can be relatively sane sometimes. I'm surprised the right wing site aren't tearing him a new one. Or are they?

I'd rather praise the sanity than worry about fuckwads.

816 sagehen  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:10:11pm

re: #801 TheMatrix31

No different than any other biased organization/company/entity donating money to any other politician or party.

Yeah, but most organizations/companies/entities that donate a million dollars to one party, and 0 dollars to the other party, wouldn't still be insisting they're entirely objective and never take sides.

Notwithstanding that their on-air personalities include the runner-up in the last set of Republican presidential primaries, the most recent Republican vice-presidential candidate, the campaign strategist who got the most recent Republican president elected, the Republican House Majority Leader who impeached a Democratic president, two former Republican governors (okay, they're overlap from previously named), and the channel's program director was a media strategist for 3 Republican presidents in a row and several other Republican presidential nominees...

Yeah. That's fair and balanced.

How many former office-holders does the closest opposite analog station (the liberalish station) have? Oh, right, a former Republican congressman.

Sure. No different than any other media companies. Fair and balanced, you betcha. We report, you decide.

817 palomino  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:10:35pm

re: #813 SanFranciscoZionist

I still wonder about those viewers.


Nursing home residents often don't have the energy to change the channel.

818 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:11:54pm

re: #817 palomino

Nursing home residents often don't have the energy to change the channel.

Now I feel TERRIBLE.

819 TheMatrix31  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:13:00pm

Later y'all. I'ma go troll 4chan, Fark, Digg, and other liek, awesome sites to pick up on some cool new lingo and pix for joking and winning the internwebsz!

820 palomino  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:16:46pm

re: #816 sagehen

Have any of them dang liburls in the MSM gotten around to really condemning Fox over this? Or are they as frightened of Fox as the Obama admin?

821 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:17:55pm

re: #794 LudwigVanQuixote

Cthulu!

yes. we should sic the Elder God on the opponents of Park51. while the Elder God is feeding, we will have to devise a way to send IT back. details, details.

822 DaddyLawBucks  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:19:26pm

re: #806 SanFranciscoZionist

So Prince ABTS donated (through his corp) $70,000 to the crazy people screaming about the Hallowed Ground Mosque? Interesting.......

823 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:20:27pm

re: #822 daddylawbucks

So Prince ABTS donated (through his corp) $70,000 to the crazy people screaming about the Hallowed Ground Mosque? Interesting...

Well, he owns seven percent, so I just did the math...

824 DaddyLawBucks  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:20:55pm

re: #823 SanFranciscoZionist

similar to Clarance Thomas on civil rights......

825 Four More Tears  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:23:36pm

Time for this lizard to get some sleep.

Peace.

826 sagehen  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:24:29pm

re: #804 tnguitarist

Bullshit. It's a 'news' organization that is openly pushing Republican's agenda. In other words, R's are getting free political advertising.

But the Citizens United decision says they can do that now.

24-7-365.

(it used to be that Fox was the propaganda wing of the Republican Party. No more. These days, the Republican Party is the electoral wing of Fox News).

827 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:25:11pm

If I were as dumb as Teh Matrix,
I'd try to hide back of old day tricks,
like saying that I
really wasn't a spy
for those who think Laura's a gay fix.

Copyright © 2010 Cato the Elder

828 DaddyLawBucks  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:27:54pm

good night Lizzards

829 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:29:17pm

Ok. We've all had teh fun pokin' at Teh Matrix. Tomorrow is another day. Let's lay off for the rest of the evening, lest anyone forget, none of this lot are perfect.

830 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:34:46pm

OK. I'm watching a film set somewhere in a Palestinian refugee camp. In the opening scene, people are walking around, women are going shopping, and there is a car on fire. People are ignoring it, it's just burning.

Why does a car catch fire? Why does a car burn, and people simply ignore it? I feel as though I'm missing some key thing here.

831 Eclectic Infidel  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:38:09pm

re: #830 SanFranciscoZionist

OK. I'm watching a film set somewhere in a Palestinian refugee camp. In the opening scene, people are walking around, women are going shopping, and there is a car on fire. People are ignoring it, it's just burning.

Why does a car catch fire? Why does a car burn, and people simply ignore it? I feel as though I'm missing some key thing here.

When I used to drive along I280 between San Jose and San Francisco, I witnessed two cars, on fire, on the side of the road, on two separate dates. Literally. Both times, a car was on fire, and no one was around. On one of the two occasions, it was at night, and it was rather surreal.

832 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:39:25pm

re: #831 eclectic infidel

When I used to drive along I280 between San Jose and San Francisco, I witnessed two cars, on fire, on the side of the road, on two separate dates. Literally. Both times, a car was on fire, and no one was around. On one of the two occasions, it was at night, and it was rather surreal.

I saw one burning by the road once, but it had clearly been in an accident of some kind. This one is just sort of sitting there, on the street, burning away. The behavior of the people around it suggests that cars catch fire all the time.

833 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:46:35pm

re: #829 eclectic infidel

Ok. We've all had teh fun pokin' at Teh Matrix. Tomorrow is another day. Let's lay off for the rest of the evening, lest anyone forget, none of this lot are perfect.

Least of all Old Cato.

I accept your rebuke and take it to heart.

834 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:51:10pm

re: #799 tnguitarist

Am I the only on that fins it disturbing that NewsCorp donate $1 million to the Republican Governors' Association? That's beyond the pale in my book.

"They put a ring on it!"

-Stephen Colbert

Also, a gag about FOX not getting any younger, especially their audience, and the wedding of course being all white.

835 tnguitarist  Tue, Aug 17, 2010 11:59:13pm

re: #830 SanFranciscoZionist

OK. I'm watching a film set somewhere in a Palestinian refugee camp. In the opening scene, people are walking around, women are going shopping, and there is a car on fire. People are ignoring it, it's just burning.

Why does a car catch fire? Why does a car burn, and people simply ignore it? I feel as though I'm missing some key thing here.

I had a car burn to a crisp one time. 78 Ltd. Started under the hood, right in the middle of town.

836 theye1  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:01:10am

You know what? I don't care if he supports Hamas, the Palestinian-Israeli conflict is far far too complicated to simply say "Hamas is bad" and "Israel is Good."

837 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:07:21am

re: #832 SanFranciscoZionist

I saw one burning by the road once, but it had clearly been in an accident of some kind. This one is just sort of sitting there, on the street, burning away. The behavior of the people around it suggests that cars catch fire all the time.

I once saw a couple of guys obliviously driving an old flatbed truck once on I-5 that was so overloaded with cargo the wooden bed frame was rubbing on the axle and burst the whole ramshackle assembly aflame. Like really, scarily, dangerously on fire, blazing down the freeway. We pulled up along side, I rolled down the window, waved, enunciating slowly and loudly "You - Are- On - Fire!" The guy didn't seem too alarmed, just slowed down and pulled over real casual, like this happened all the time.

838 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:40:04am

George Bush never "decided" anything in his life without first consulting his mama, Dick Cheney, and his stock portfolio.

He is the desnider, fucking America up the bunghole for his own personal gain.

But of course, never without Cheney's hand up his ass, to point his beady little eyes in the right direction.

839 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:43:36am

re: #801 TheMatrix31

No different than any other biased organization/company/entity donating money to any other politician or party.

"Far and balanced"

840 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:45:42am

re: #775 eclectic infidel

Just saw this post now. Yes. I saw Thunderdome in 2001 and was there when it was shut down.

So I wandered off and found some house music blasting in another neighborhood. Danced till dawn and stumbled into the cafe for a blast of caffeine.

awesome :D

841 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:50:37am

re: #543 Dark_Falcon

It's the former. The Dems game plan to deal with effective GOP Congressional leaders has been to hurl allegations at every opportunity. Even if they aren't true, enough of the slime eventually stick to rob the leader of his effectiveness.

Do you even know what Delay has said over the years?

842 S'latch  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:18:03am

I generally approve when ex-Presidents decline to comment on political questions.

843 wiffersnapper  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:52:27am

re: #842 Lawrence Schmerel

Set an example for Jimmy Carter to shut up about Palestine.

844 oklahoma  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:03:29am

re: #842 Lawrence Schmerel

I generally approve when ex-Presidents decline to comment on political questions.

I agree. I also think considering Obama's 2 year non-stop bashing of Bush, Bush deserves to have his privacy on all issues.

845 simoom  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:51:28am

To be honest I didn't think there was much chance of President Bush being outspoken on this issue. There's the Nov elections coming up and his book release, where the success of each, particularly the book, could be damaged by his completely alienating the base.

846 [deleted]  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 9:11:34am
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Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit - Only Children Provided to YouTube by The Orchard Enterprises Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit - Only Children · Jason Isbell and the 400 Unit Only Children ℗ 2020 Southeastern Records marketed and distributed by Thirty Tigers Released on: 2020-03-27 Producer: ...
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Portugal. The Man - ‘Lovely Day’ ( Bill Withers Cover) We did a cover of “Lovely Day”, we know it pales in comparison to the original but there is something special that happens when you learn how to play your favorite songs. We grew up listening to AM radio ...
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