Ann Coulter: RINO, Sodomy Supporter

Joseph Farah of World Net Daily is excommunicating Ann Coulter from the Church of Bad Craziness, because she’s speaking at a conference sponsored by Republican gay organization GOProud. Watch out! It’s a right wing theocratic homophobic slapfight!

WND dumps Ann Coulter from Miami due to Homoconflict. (Yes, that really is their title.)

WASHINGTON – Conservative superstar Ann Coulter today was dropped as a keynote speaker for WND’s “Taking America Back National Conference” next month because of her plan to address an event titled “HOMOCON” sponsored by the homosexual Republican group GOProud that promotes same-sex marriage and military service for open homosexuals.

Joseph Farah, editor and chief executive officer of WND, said the decision was a gut-wrenching one for his team because of their fondness for Coulter as both a person and writer-speaker.

“Ultimately, as a matter of principle, it would not make sense for us to have Ann speak to a conference about ‘taking America back’ when she clearly does not recognize that the ideals to be espoused there simply do not include the radical and very ‘unconservative’ agenda represented by GOProud,” said Farah. “The drift of the conservative movement to a brand of materialistic libertarianism is one of the main reasons we planned this conference from the beginning.”

Asked by Farah why she was speaking to GOProud, Coulter said: “They hired me to give a speech, so I’m giving a speech. I do it all the time.”

Farah then asked: “Do you not understand you are legitimizing a group that is fighting for same-sex marriage and open homosexuality in the military – not to mention the idea that sodomy is just an alternate lifestyle?”

Popcorn time!

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431 comments

1 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:00:50am

We’ll teach you how to spot ‘em in the cities or the sticks
For even Jasper Junction is just full of Bolsheviks
The CIA’s subversive and so’s the FCC
There’s no one left but thee and we, and we’re not sure of thee
Oh, we’re the John Birch Society, the John Birch Society
Here to save our country from a communistic plot
Join the John Birch Society holding off the Reds
We’ll use our hand and hearts and if we must we’ll use our heads

2 deranged cat  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:03:46am

butter. BUTTER! WHERES THE BUTTER?!

3 Laughing Gas  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:11:34am

Isn’t this a good thing, the crackup of the wingnut alliance?

4 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:12:04am

Maybe, if she stands firm, someone will finally secure the ultimate story about that Adam’s apple of hers.

Me, I think she is the T in LGBT.

5 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:16:21am

Buchanan says Newt went too far, WND tosses Coulter off their tour of hate……….What’s next?
By time they get done, there won’t be enough of them left to elect an alderman.

6 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:26:10am

Didn’t I just say, on the last thread, that Ann Orexia Coulter perfected “Dr Laura” away from her specious Judaism?

I don’t know for sure what the psychosexual procedure was, but I’m relatively sure it involved high lace-up boots and leather toys.

7 sagehen  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:26:16am

Nah, they’ve got at least ten years left they’ll be pulling solid majorities in any district south of the Mason-Dixon line and east of the Missisippi. Except Florida. And Virginia. And North Carolina. And Atlanta.

um…

They’ll still win anyplace where people love the Constitution, except for the 1st Amendment. And the 14th. And the 4th and 5th and 8th. And maybe the 17th.

um…

They’ll still win anyplace where clear channel AM is the only radio, and Fox is the only cable news.

8 sagehen  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:28:09am

And Oklahoma. They’ve still got a long run ahead of them in Oklahoma.

9 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:39:02am

did I fall down a worm hole

did that just happen

10 AntonSirius  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:41:01am

I can’t wait until they turn on Beck.

11 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:41:23am

One thing is certain, Ann makes a great athletic supporter.

12 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:50:42am

Even Bush begrudgingly addressed the Log Cabin Republicans.

Because aside from the moralistic family issues, many gays are potential supporters of the Republican platform: they tend not to have families or own homes in the suburbs, leaving them without the tax deductions that families enjoy and making them more open to Republican promises of lower taxes and less government.

But the GOP has decided that moral and ideological purity must be their guiding light and are ready to abandon all those who would even address them in public.

13 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:54:23am

Can’t wait to hear her speech.

14 Timmeh  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:58:55am

Ann comes right out and says she’s just doing it for the money:

Asked by Farah why she was speaking to GOProud, Coulter said: “They hired me to give a speech, so I’m giving a speech. I do it all the time.”

Oh, and this lovely comment:

The main thing I do is speak on college campuses, which is about the equivalent of speaking at an al-Qaida conference.

American Colleges = al-Qaida.

What a freakshow.

15 Timmeh  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:00:55am

Meant to add: She’s basically just an entertainer, and one group’s money is as green as another’s.

16 Timmeh  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:06:51am
Coulter will remain a weekly columnist for WND.

“There’s a different standard for columnists and speakers at our conference,” Farah explained.

Yeah, she makes too much money for them as a columnist. That’s the “different standard.”

17 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:09:54am

re: #16 Timmeh

Yeah, she makes too much money for them as a columnist. That’s the “different standard.”

So what I want to know is, how can I begin my own Homoconflict? Let’s franchise this shit

18 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:11:04am

re: #17 WindUpBird

So what I want to know is, how can I begin my own Homoconflict? Let’s franchise this shit

Gangs. That is the answer. We should make a movie with dancing gangs.
//

19 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:12:55am

Oh and insomnia sucks.

20 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:14:11am
GOProud is about infiltration of the conservative movement and dividing it from within with twisted and dangerous ideas way out of the mainstream of American public opinion.

Oh World Net Daily, you have no choice but to run, run from the fabulous, hide under your floorboards, seal your children in plastic, we’re gaying up your Republican party, it’s just going be a total sausage festival, nothing but house music and nitrous

INFILTRATE! MY BRETHREN APPROACH

21 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:15:07am

re: #18 Cannadian Club Akbar

Gangs. That is the answer. We should make a movie with dancing gangs.
//

I’m thinking Repo: A Genetic Opera meets The Warriors

Rocky Horror with more drive-bys

22 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:15:48am

re: #20 WindUpBird

Also remember 10 years ago or so they pimped the Russian suitcase nuke story.

23 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:16:35am

re: #15 Timmeh

Meant to add: She’s basically just an entertainer, and one group’s money is as green as another’s.

Coulter is not an entertainer. She’s a fully-fledged Nazi propagandist.

24 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:18:51am

re: #22 Cannadian Club Akbar

Also remember 10 years ago or so they pimped the Russian suitcase nuke story.

Guys who need to be told that Red Dawn wasn’t a documentary

25 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:20:04am

re: #24 WindUpBird

Guys who need to be told that Red Dawn wasn’t a documentary

I am putting a $10,000 bounty on Farah’s mustache.
/

26 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:21:28am

re: #17 WindUpBird

Excuse me WUB, but I’m curious about something, so have come out of lurker mode. I don’t get what your meaning in this post is. How could you start a “Homoconflict”?

27 EdDantes  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:23:28am

National Review Online dropped her in 2001 because she was too anti-Islamic. She does like to stir things up.

28 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:23:50am

re: #26 AmeriDan

Excuse me WUB, but I’m curious about something, so have come out of lurker mode. I don’t get what your meaning in this post is. How could you start a “Homoconflict”?

Homos against Sapiens. Easy.

29 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:24:41am

re: #27 EdDantes

National Review Online dropped her in 2001 because she was too anti-Islamic. She does like to stir things up.

And she sold almost zero books.

30 boredtechindenver  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:25:06am

re: #17 WindUpBird

So what I want to know is, how can I begin my own Homoconflict? Let’s franchise this shit

Homoconflict. Now with improved Rageboner.

Bringing the HateFuck home.

///

31 boredtechindenver  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:26:12am

re: #26 AmeriDan

How could you start a “Homoconflict”?

Same as “Heteroconflict”. Let them marry legally.

32 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:26:15am

re: #29 Cannadian Club Akbar

She sells books?
/

33 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:27:52am

re: #27 EdDantes

“We should invade their countires, kill their leader and convert them to Christianity” was her famous response to the 9/11 terror attacks.

34 boxhead  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:30:12am

My usual comment on these threads…. How many of the Righties say what they say for profit even though they know it is tripe? And how many hear their the siren call and follow?

It is a unsettling feeling thinking about those questions….

35 EdDantes  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:31:02am

re: #33 ralphieboy

I remember that. So, far the first two hasn’t worked. I’m pleased that we didn’t try the third.

36 boxhead  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:31:13am

re: #25 Cannadian Club Akbar

I am putting a $10,000 bounty on Farah’s mustache.
/

Fake or real? TMZ wants to know!

37 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:31:18am

re: #33 ralphieboy

That column was put in newspapers on September 13, 2001. I wanna say the Kansas City Star used to carry her.

38 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:31:46am

re: #23 Cato the Elder

Coulter is not an entertainer. She’s a fully-fledged Nazi propagandist.

That’s not fair. I’ve heard at least one rational speech from her where she actually addressed Islamists at “radical Muslims.” For the most part, she’s far right and obnoxious, but she doesn’t deserve to be lumped in with the Nazis.

39 Timmeh  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:32:11am

re: #23 Cato the Elder

Coulter is not an entertainer. She’s a fully-fledged Nazi propagandist.

The two are not exclusive. She’s a well-compensated professional Nazi propagandist if you prefer.

40 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:32:21am

re: #33 ralphieboy

I’m glad I didn’t have to write down my feelings of the September 11th attacks on or near that date.

41 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:33:37am

re: #30 boredtechindenver

Homoconflict. Now with improved Rageboner.

Bringing the HateFuck home.

///

Speaking of Rageboner….for those who watched Californication, there was the brief mention of the “broner” - a boner that came into being in the presence of your male friendl (both of you are hetero) due to an amazing announcement of sorts.

42 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:35:33am

re: #40 AmeriDan

I’m glad I didn’t have to write down my feelings of the September 11th attacks on or near that date.

I went on vacation September 12th in 2001. I was alone in a house in the country. Not much drinking and yelling at the TV that week.
/really? Need I?

43 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:36:56am

re: #35 EdDantes

I remember that. So, far the first two hasn’t worked. I’m pleased that we didn’t try the third.

Only for lack of resources. Just can’t print enough King James Bibles in Arabic to satisfy the demand…

44 EdDantes  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:37:15am

re: #40 AmeriDan

I’m glad I didn’t have to write down my feelings of the September 11th attacks on or near that date.

Me too. That morning I was hoping Bush would suspend habeas corpus. The next day I was better. Also, Coulter lost her friend Barbara Olsen in the Pentagon attack.

45 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:37:56am

re: #42 Cannadian Club Akbar

Islamaphobe! !
/ /

46 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:38:24am

re: #44 EdDantes

Me too. That morning I was hoping Bush would suspend habeas corpus. The next day I was better. Also, Coulter lost her friend Barbara Olsen in the Pentagon attack.

I have the Barbra Olsen book she wrote before she died. Ted Olson’s wife.

47 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:38:58am

re: #45 AmeriDan

Islamaphobe! !
/ /

I was actually more mad at the TV.
//

48 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:39:24am

re: #40 AmeriDan

I’m glad I didn’t have to write down my feelings of the September 11th attacks on or near that date.


Nobody had to to write them down or publish them for the world to hear and read.

many have tried to relativize and diminish her statement, but I see it as a case of her rage and grief causing her inner thoughts to bubble right up to the surface. She wants us to start a new Crusade.

49 boxhead  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:42:25am

re: #43 ralphieboy

Only for lack of resources. Just can’t print enough King James Bibles in Arabic to satisfy the demand…

Allow me….

durka durka, Muhammad jihad..

//

50 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:42:31am

Oh that’s gross. Victoria Jackson will be at wnd’s conference. Soiled comedian.

51 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:43:10am

re: #50 eclectic infidel

Oh that’s gross. Victoria Jackson will be at wnd’s conference. Soiled comedian.

Haven’t you seen her recent work?

52 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:43:25am

re: #48 ralphieboy

Nobody had to to write them down or publish them for the world to hear and read.

many have tried to relativize and diminish her statement, but I see it as a case of her rage and grief causing her inner thoughts to bubble right up to the surface. She wants us to start a new Crusade.

Far too many allow their rage to cloud their judgment.

53 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:44:06am

re: #52 Varek Raith

Far too many allow their rage to cloud their judgment.

JUST SHUT UP!!
//

54 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:44:54am

re: #53 Cannadian Club Akbar

JUST SHUT UP!!
//

Lol@TheCanadianPolishFloridian!

55 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:46:49am

re: #48 ralphieboy

With all due respect… How could a political writer write about anything other than the attacks right after they happened? Should she have talked about the shark attacks or Gary Condit?

56 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:48:18am

re: #51 Cannadian Club Akbar

Haven’t you seen her recent work?

Nope.

57 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:48:44am

re: #55 AmeriDan

And like I said, it was 2 days after the attacks. I yelled at my TV for a week. And don’t even ask what I said to the oven.
/Sarc on the last line only.

58 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:50:23am

re: #56 eclectic infidel

Nope.

59 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:50:33am

re: #47 Cannadian Club Akbar

Them smart TV folk didn’t want to upset us rubes.true, but I had my biggest rageboner on for the actual Islamic extremist.

60 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:54:14am

re: #59 AmeriDan

Them smart TV folk didn’t want to upset us rubes.true, but I had my biggest rageboner on for the actual Islamic extremist.

I did as well. A close second went to the Tropical Storm we had down here that Friday. When I lost a CV joint coming up the driveway. That cost me. (had to help the guy who fixed it clean his yard and 2 cases of beer)

61 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:54:39am

re: #59 AmeriDan

Oops. Read CCA wrong maybe… Thought you were talking about them taking off the so called “inflamatory” footage.

62 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:54:50am

re: #58 Cannadian Club Akbar

She thinks the President is a communist!?! The woman is daft. Okay. I now understand why she’d be speaking at a WND conference. Thanks for the video.

63 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:55:36am

re: #62 eclectic infidel

She thinks the President is a communist!?! The woman is daft. Okay. I now understand why she’d be speaking at a WND conference. Thanks for the video.

I LOVE THE CRAZY!!!

64 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:58:33am

re: #63 Cannadian Club Akbar

I LOVE THE CRAZY!!!

They’re going to love her. A ditzy blonde babbling incessantly about how Obama is teh socialist.

65 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:59:20am

re: #64 eclectic infidel

They’re going to love her. A ditzy blonde babbling incessantly about how Obama is teh socialist.

She should do it topless. Wait. Long boobs don’t turn me on.
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66 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:00:40am

re: #65 Cannadian Club Akbar

She should do it topless. Wait. Long boobs don’t turn me on.
///

Oh, I’m a fan of large tracts of land. Bring ‘em on!

67 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:01:09am

re: #65 Cannadian Club Akbar

She should do it topless. Wait. Long boobs don’t turn me on.
///

Hmmm….
Is CCA sarcing the first sentence or the last or both…?
Hmmm….
:P

68 EdDantes  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:02:37am

re: #58 Cannadian Club Akbar

I saw that. I wouldn’t let her near a conservative conclave. She’s an idiot!

69 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:02:52am

Oh, with thoughts of large breastages, and fatigue approaching, I make my depart swift. HARK! The bed calls me to slumber. Goodnight dear lizards.

70 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:04:22am

re: #52 Varek Raith

Far too many allow their rage to cloud their judgment.


I don’t think it was rage clouding her judgement, I think her rage caused her to lower her guard and show us what is really inside.

71 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:04:33am

re: #67 Varek Raith

Hmmm…
Is CCA sarcing the first sentence or the last or both…?
Hmmm…
:P

I have a new GF. She is on some show on USA about the CIA. Hot. Can’t wait for the Restraining Order to add to the collection.
/

72 EdDantes  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:11:31am

I am curious about what the content of her speech will be.

73 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:13:01am

re: #72 EdDantes

I am curious about what the content of her speech will be.

Prolly depends on affiliation.

74 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:13:15am

re: #70 ralphieboy

Yeah, I too let my happy mask slip to show a little rage when she murdered all of those people that day. Oh, wait, she didn’t pull off the attacks… Just bacame outraged.

That Bitch!
/

75 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:16:32am

re: #72 EdDantes

Yep, me too.

76 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:18:14am

re: #74 AmeriDan

Yeah, I too let my happy mask slip to show a little rage when she murdered all of those people that day. Oh, wait, she didn’t pull off the attacks… Just bacame outraged.

That Bitch!
/

I was enraged, too. But I never thought in terms of invading other countries, killing their leaders and forcibly converting their citizens.

77 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:19:21am

re: #76 ralphieboy

I was enraged, too. But I never thought in terms of invading other countries, killing their leaders and forcibly converting their citizens.

Sorry dude, it was sarcasm.

78 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:24:36am

Ok. I need a nap. Haven’t had one in 2 days and need it when I can get it. See ya’ll in a bit.

79 EdDantes  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:29:05am

G’night C.C.

80 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:29:52am

re: #76 ralphieboy

Point taken, but your level of rage that day was not the be all end all of acceptable level. I just get sick of conversations about the written response of a writer being a mere step below what actually happened. Not that I believe you do that. Just venting.

81 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:42:27am

re: #80 AmeriDan

Point taken, but your level of rage that day was not the be all end all of acceptable level. I just get sick of conversations about the written response of a writer being a mere step below what actually happened. Not that I believe you do that. Just venting.

I have never heard of her distancing herself from those comments, but for that she has not repeated them.

82 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:45:57am

re: #80 AmeriDan

Ralph, to clarify further, Coulter’s over the top remarks have killed no one.

Muslims killed by Coulter’s fanatics… 0

Muslims killed by Muslim fanatics… You do the math.

BTW, I almost never agree with you, but enjoy reading your views.

83 EdDantes  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:49:22am

re: #81 ralphieboy

I have never heard of her distancing herself from those comments, but for that she has not repeated them.

She was asked about those comments by Katie Couric. She said the first two were now American policy and there was much to be said for the trans formative power of Christianity. This is a paraphrase from my memory but I think it is accurate.

84 freetoken  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:49:35am
85 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:52:48am

Okay, seriously now, what the hell is wrong with people?:

A Congressional candidate told local high school and middle school students Tuesday that Islam’s plan is to destroy the American way of life.

“I’m totally against it. If I had my way, it would pretty much be over my dead body,” said Ron McNeil, a candidate for the U.S. House District 2 seat, who was referring to a controversial plan to build an Islamic center and mosque near Ground Zero in New York City. “That religion is against everything America stands for. If we have to let them build it, make them build it nine stories underground, so we can walk above it as citizens and Christians.”

Some people in the audience applauded McNeil’s response. However, one student appeared up-set and asked McNeil what gave him or the federal government the right to tell an American that they can’t build an institution.

“This religion’s plan is to destroy our way of life,” McNeil said.

The student responded by saying he did not feel it was a Christian’s place to determine whether Islam is right or wrong.

“It’s our place as Christians to stand up for the word of God and what the Bible says,” McNeil replied.

Dianne Berryhill, an independent candidate for the Congressional seat now held by Rep. Allen Boyd, D-Monticello, also weighed in on the proposed mosque.

“If we were under Muslim law, you girls wouldn’t be sitting here showing any kind of skin. You would be in hot burqas and … you wouldn’t be sitting in school,” she said.

Using children to sell inequality, where have I seen this tactic before? Oh yeah, from the gays make inferior parents bigot brigade. Also the muslim woman who was denied becoming a foster parent because she wouldn’t allow pork in her home.

It’s not even a new tactic: Using children to sell inequality goes way, way back, and it didn’t end with Brown v. Board of Ed.

86 AmeriDan  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:53:45am

re: #81 ralphieboy

They were her feelings at the time, I see no reason for her to renounce them. Just as with the “Screw them” jerk. That’s how he felt. He’s a blogger and blogged it.

87 EdDantes  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:55:03am

re: #84 freetoken

You Karma whore! You knew I would have to upding you for posting Nat King Cole!

88 freetoken  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:58:05am

re: #87 EdDantes

You Karma whore! You knew I would have to upding you for posting Nat King Cole!

89 EdDantes  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 3:16:15am

re: #88 freetoken

Played it twice. I was only familiar with the Ventures version.

90 freetoken  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 3:20:04am

re: #85 goddamnedfrank

On his website:

[Link: www.ronmcneiluscongress.com…]

The top of the page item is a pic of him with Reagan with this caption:

Ronald Reagan and Ron McNeil, meeting at the White House during Reagan’s Presidency and McNeil’s run for U.S. Congress. McNeil was voted the top non-incumbent candidate for U.S. Congress in the nation by Lee Atwater and the National Republican Party at that time.

Just to remind us how the current nuttiness got its promotion in national American politics.

He’s written a manifesto, available here:

[Link: www.youpublish.com…]

It’s quite the work. McNeil claims of Einstein:

Einstein’s theory of relativity is what we based the entire space program on, and then we used it successfully to land men on the moon.

Um, no, not even close. McNeil has as many misbeliefs about this subject as Conservapedia, only different ones.

Oh, and why is he concerned about Einstein?

Recently reported by FOXNews.com, in an article written by Kelly Shackelford, ―Why the Texas Textbook Wars Matter to Every American‖:

…a liberal onslaught has been unleashed to try to influence these education standards. An unelected review panel, not the elected members of Texas State Board of Education, attempt to push through a number of highly questionable changes to the standards – removing Independence Day, Neil Armstrong, Daniel Boone, and Christopher Columbus – from them. They even dumped Christmas and replaced it with Diwali. You can’t make this stuff up! After a huge outcry from citizens and strong leadership by conservatives on the Texas State Board of Education, each of these changes was reversed. Sadly the attacks didn’t stop there. Albert Einstein and Thomas Edison were removed from World History, yet Mary Kay and Wallace Amos (of Famous Amos Cookies) were added, it appears, for more ―diversity.‖

Well, that pretty much tells us from where Mr. McNeil gets his information.

91 EdDantes  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 3:25:35am

re: #90 freetoken

It’s late. I can’t read it all but Einstein had nothing to do with the space program. We used Newtonian physics to get there and we still use it to get spacecraft from planet to planet.

92 freetoken  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 3:26:14am

Perfidia is a standard of the Tropical genre and has been covered by just about everybody imaginable. My favorite version is the by the one and only Ethel Smith recorded on a Hammond organ - really!

Lounge musician extraordinaire.

93 Kingpest  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 3:55:16am

“popcorn time”—— LOL. Thanks for the early morning laugh.

94 EdDantes  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 3:57:05am

re: #92 freetoken

The Ventures.

95 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:01:09am

re: #83 EdDantes

She was asked about those comments by Katie Couric. She said the first two were now American policy and there was much to be said for the trans formative power of Christianity. This is a paraphrase from my memory but I think it is accurate.


It is American policy to invade Saudi Arabia and kill their leaders? Ann, where are you getting your policy briefings?

96 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:02:53am

Coulter is right on this one.

97 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:02:57am

re: #86 AmeriDan

They were her feelings at the time, I see no reason for her to renounce them. Just as with the “Screw them” jerk. That’s how he felt. He’s a blogger and blogged it.

You can have feelings you can shout them to the oven or at your wife/kids/dog/friends or even at a bar, but when you put them up on the national media, you have changed things.

98 jayzee  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:04:39am

re: #5 tnguitarist

Buchanan says Newt went too far, WND tosses Coulter off their tour of hate…What’s next?
By time they get done, there won’t be enough of them left to elect an alderman.

Buchanan must be torn. Fighting the building of a mosque like any good xenophobe would could possibly bring him in to conflict with a good number of fellow Jew haters.

99 fat bastard vegetarian  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:05:01am

The “Right Wing Judy Garland”?

Nice.

100 jayzee  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:06:20am

I bought Homoconflict #1-8 for a gay friend for his friend’s birthday. He thought they were great.

101 Alecto  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:06:40am

This makes Boondocks all the more prophetic. (semi-NSFW language)

Though considering she’s dating Jimmy JJ Walker, I am surprised they hadn’t booted her earlier for consorting with the Hollywood elite/interracial dating.

102 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:07:45am

re: #100 jayzee

I bought Homoconflict #1-8 for a gay friend for his friend’s birthday. He thought they were great.

That series really got a lot worse after they got their timelines and continuity all mixed up pulled that “Crisis in Infinite Asses” thing to retconn it.

103 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:09:40am

Obama Defence League Alert:

AP Poll: Obama at new low for handling economy
By LIZ SIDOTI (AP) – 3 hours ago

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama earned his lowest marks ever on his handling of the economy in a new Associated Press-GfK poll, which also found that an overwhelming majority of Americans now describe the nation’s financial outlook as poor.

A frustrated electorate could take it out on the party in power — Obama’s Democrats — in the November elections.

Eleven weeks before the Nov. 2 balloting, just 41 percent of those surveyed approve of the president’s performance on the economy, down from 44 percent in April, while 56 percent disapprove. And 61 percent say the economy has gotten worse or stayed the same on Obama’s watch.
[Link: www.google.com…]

Hopenchange lives!

104 EdDantes  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:16:37am

re: #103 Spare O’Lake

Doesn’t look good for the Dems.

105 rwdflynavy  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:16:53am

Good Morning Lizards!

It is a rainy day in our Nation’s Capital (assuming you live in the US).

Today’s Homer Simpson Quote:

“All right, let’s not panic. I’ll make the money by selling one of my livers. I can get by with one.”

106 rwdflynavy  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:17:40am

re: #103 Spare O’Lake

Obama Defence League Alert:


Hopenchange lives!

I keep hoping it will change!

107 fat bastard vegetarian  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:31:10am

Maybe I’m gonna out myself as a homophobe, or sumthin…

But I always picture Republican Gays as more of a manly gay than a Democratic gay that I picture in my brain

That poster totally blows my silly bias out of the water…

108 rwdflynavy  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:32:57am

re: #107 fat bastard vegetarian

Maybe I’m gonna out myself as a homophobe, or sumthin…

But I always picture Republican Gays as more of a manly gay than a Democratic gay that I picture in my brain

That poster totally blows my silly bias out of the water…


I think of you more as a homophone than a homophobe.
//

109 fat bastard vegetarian  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:34:31am
110 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:35:27am

re: #107 fat bastard vegetarian

A visit to the Castro district in San Francisco would also blow that out of your mind.

More huge dudes there with serious mustaches and Harleys than anywhere else.

Being a ‘bear’ got it’s start in SF.

On a related note:

Gilette is using the phrase ‘less tug and pull’ to advertise a razor blade. Tug and pull has another meaning in the gay community.

111 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:35:33am

So… Anyone who sticks up for gay people is “radical and ‘unconservative’”. Man, I’m just racking up the titles and epithets these days.

Morning Lizardim.

112 fat bastard vegetarian  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:37:47am

re: #110 Obdicut

Blue Oyster Bar?

113 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:43:29am

re: #112 fat bastard vegetarian

Yeah, that looks like some places in the Castro. Actually, it more looks like a couple of the bear places in other parts of SF, like the Lone Star Saloon. My friend Radio DJs there on occasion, he invited me there without telling me it was a bear place, but when the twentieth guy walked in looking like a lumberjack had mugged a biker, I got the idea.

They had a mechanical bull ride that was named “Steve”.

I decided not to ride Steve.

114 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:45:03am

The Meanest Mom in the Universe wins again! I placed a large, brass alarm clock on The Kid’s bedside table, and it got him out of bed.

*cackle*

115 fat bastard vegetarian  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:45:54am

re: #113 Obdicut

I did some theater in my younger days… have met many, many gay folks… have never met a “bear”… honestly… other than a few lesbians who make me look like a Judy Garland impersonator on the “macho scale”.

116 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:46:43am

re: #114 MandyManners

The Meanest Mom in the Universe wins again! I placed a large, brass alarm clock on The Kid’s bedside table, and it got him out of bed.

*cackle*

I suppose it beats tossing a cat on the bed. Barely.

117 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:50:27am

re: #115 fat bastard vegetarian

Of course, you may have met them without knowing it— the older generation of ‘bears’ came about due to gay men who preferred an unconscious display of masculinity to a conscious ‘gay’ profile.

Like any other gay subgroup, it’s changed markedly over time, especially as mainstream acceptance of gays increased and there became less of a value in concealment. Some bears these days are what I’d call ‘hypermasculine’, in a way that can, depending on who is doing it, either be kind of funny or downright scary.

118 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:51:02am

re: #116 thedopefishlives

I suppose it beats tossing a cat on the bed. Barely.

Easier, too. He weighs about 22 pounds. He’s not fat. He’s just big.

119 fat bastard vegetarian  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:52:12am

re: #114 MandyManners

Ha!

120 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:58:18am

re: #118 MandyManners

Easier, too. He weighs about 22 pounds. He’s not fat. He’s just big.

The image of that fat, er, “big” cat landing on The Kid’s vulnerable stomach has me chuckling. But I suppose that is a bit much to heft every morning.

121 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:02:33am

re: #119 fat bastard vegetarian

Ha!

He is still grumbling.

122 rwdflynavy  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:03:06am

re: #118 MandyManners

Easier, too. He weighs about 22 pounds. He’s not fat. He’s just big-boned.


Fixd

123 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:03:07am

re: #120 thedopefishlives

The image of that fat, er, “big” cat landing on The Kid’s vulnerable stomach has me chuckling. But I suppose that is a bit much to heft every morning.

The Flying Fat Cat.

124 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:05:24am

“No! No! No!” went the righties;
“Zing Zing Zing” went the Belle”;
“Scream! Scream! Scream!” went the bigots;
“All those rightie f*gs are going straight to hell!”

125 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:05:54am

re: #122 rwdflynavy

Fixd

His daddy was a very big-boned cat but, he was short. His momma’, though, was tall. When she was pregnant, I fed her salmon, oysters, kippers and the like. Both she and the daddy were strays at Dickhead’s country home.

126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:06:07am

re: #114 MandyManners

Beats a surprise prostate exam.

127 prairiefire  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:07:21am

How does one become dumped from Miami?

128 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:08:00am

re: #123 MandyManners

The Flying Fat Cat.

Sounds like a circus act. Or one of my parents’ gianormous beasts out on the hunt. Seriously, they’re the hugest domestic cats I’ve ever seen.

129 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:08:33am

re: #124 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

“No! No! No!” went the righties;
“Zing Zing Zing” went the Belle”;
“Scream! Scream! Scream!” went the bigots;
“All those rightie f*gs are going straight to hell!”

You knew this was coming.

130 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:08:56am

re: #126 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Beats a surprise prostate exam.

*cringe*

131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:09:35am

re: #127 prairiefire

How does one become dumped from Miami?

They cut LeBron?

132 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:09:40am

re: #128 thedopefishlives

Sounds like a circus act. Or one of my parents’ gianormous beasts out on the hunt. Seriously, they’re the hugest domestic cats I’ve ever seen.

Donald Trump being launched from a cannon!

133 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:09:58am

re: #131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

They cut LeBron?

WHAT?

134 rwdflynavy  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:10:15am

re: #125 MandyManners

His daddy was a very big-boned cat but, he was short. His momma’, though, was tall. When she was pregnant, I fed her salmon, oysters, kippers and the like. Both she and the daddy were strays at Dickhead’s country home.

I’m sure she didn’t like you at all!!
//

135 prairiefire  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:10:44am

re: #131 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Nah, the title of the article for this thread.

Andrew Sullivan says he is a bear lover.

136 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:10:58am

re: #109 fat bastard vegetarian

Dammit! That was funny!… Ding Whore is sad…

137 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:11:34am

re: #134 rwdflynavy

I’m sure she didn’t like you at all!!
//

She was my biggest fan!

138 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:12:44am

re: #135 prairiefire

Nah, the title of the article for this thread.

Andrew Sullivan says he is a bear lover.

Speaking of Miami, I STILL don’t have The Kid’s jersey. I ordered it over a month ago.

139 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:12:52am

Gotta’ git.

140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:18:07am

Betcha can’t guess who’s having a flair up of GOUT today…

Oh, you guessed.

Ouch.

141 prairiefire  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:27:32am

re: #140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Betcha can’t guess who’s having a flair up of GOUT today…

Oh, you guessed.

Ouch.

So sorry~stay away from beer and turkey.
I hope I don’t develop it. I loves my Pislner.

142 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:30:29am

re: #141 prairiefire

Yeah… it’s the beer…

Phuck.

143 pharmmajor  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:34:41am

I don’t see what Farah’s pissed off about; I for one would like to see the conservative movement go more towards libertarianism. For that matter, I’d like to see the liberal movement go in that direction as well.

144 Ericus58  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:35:01am

228M eggs recalled following salmonella outbreak

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

“WASHINGTON – An Iowa egg producer is recalling 228 million eggs after being linked to an outbreak of salmonella poisoning.

The federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said eggs from Wright County Egg in Galt, Iowa, were linked to several illnesses in Colorado, California and Minnesota. The CDC said about 200 cases of the strain of salmonella linked to the eggs were reported weekly during June and July, four times the normal number of such occurrences.

State health officials say tainted eggs have sickened at least 266 Californians and seven in Minnesota.

The eggs were distributed around the country and packaged under the names Lucerne, Albertson, Mountain Dairy, Ralph’s, Boomsma’s, Sunshine, Hillandale, Trafficanda, Farm Fresh, Shoreland, Lund, Dutch Farms and Kemp.”

*raises eyebrows and peers intently at the egg-n-bacon sandwich in his hands……*

145 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:36:52am

re: #144 Ericus58

Whoa, that can’t be good. Darn good thing I didn’t cook myself scrambled eggs for breakfast.

146 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:38:01am

re: #143 pharmmajor

I don’t see what Farah’s pissed off about; I for one would like to see the conservative movement go more towards libertarianism. For that matter, I’d like to see the liberal movement go in that direction as well.

He does not, however. Farah wants to see the conservative movement make a sharp swerve to the right, all the way over the edge of the cliff if possible. That’s why he’s upset.

147 pharmmajor  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:38:53am

re: #146 thedopefishlives

He does not, however. Farah wants to see the conservative movement make a sharp swerve to the right, all the way over the edge of the cliff if possible. That’s why he’s upset.

Well, Farah’s a bigoted idiot, so who cares about what pisses him off.

148 Nick Schroeder  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:39:09am

GOPurge: The Homopocolypse.

149 Ericus58  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:41:40am

Why Sharks Circle You Before Attacking


Two great white sharks swimming in the ocean spied survivors of a sunken ship. “Follow me son” the father shark said to the son shark and they swam to the mass of people. “First we swim around them a few times with just the tip of our fins showing.” And they did. “Well done, son! Now we swim around them a few times with all of our fins showing.” And they did. “Now we eat everybody.” And they did.

When they were both gorged, the son asked, “Dad, why didn’t we just eat them all at first? Why did we swim around and around them?”

His wise father replied, “Because they taste better without the shit inside!”

150 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:42:53am

re: #147 pharmmajor

Well, Farah’s a bigoted idiot, so who cares about what pisses him off.

I don’t. Ann Coulter probably doesn’t. (She doesn’t care about most everybody, though.) It’s just interesting to see the infighting. Whoever loses, we win.

151 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:46:24am

re: #114 MandyManners

The Meanest Mom in the Universe wins again! I placed a large, brass alarm clock on The Kid’s bedside table, and it got him out of bed.

*cackle*

Morning.

I’ll have to get that a try. Usually I sing a song and rub my daughters back to ease her into the morning.

I’m soft serve ice cream in a dark candy shell.

152 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:49:07am

re: #140 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Betcha can’t guess who’s having a flair up of GOUT today…

Oh, you guessed.

Ouch.

My condolences.

I had a flair up a few weeks ago. I think spinach of all things triggered it this time, though it’s probably more of a case where multiple things are agitating it and something just pushes it over the top into an actual flare-up.

153 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:51:40am

So I stumbled into GOProud a few days ago and say the image of the Homocon poster and assumed it was satire. Judy Garland of the right.

Waterboard Dorthy!

The world is a really strange place to me.

154 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:52:19am

re: #150 thedopefishlives

We? Thee, not me.

I, personally would love for the infighting and bigotry to stop within the GOP.

155 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:56:56am

re: #117 Obdicut

Of course, you may have met them without knowing it— the older generation of ‘bears’ came about due to gay men who preferred an unconscious display of masculinity to a conscious ‘gay’ profile.

Like any other gay subgroup, it’s changed markedly over time, especially as mainstream acceptance of gays increased and there became less of a value in concealment. Some bears these days are what I’d call ‘hypermasculine’, in a way that can, depending on who is doing it, either be kind of funny or downright scary.

Is there more of an obsession with phony role-playing among gays than in society at large, or is it just that it attracts more attention from gawkers?

156 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:01:35am

re: #151 Jeff In Ohio

Morning.

I’ll have to get that a try. Usually I sing a song and rub my daughters back to ease her into the morning.

I’m soft serve ice cream in a dark candy shell.

Unless you have a half decent voice that could be considered much more cruel than a loud alarm clock.

157 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:01:59am

re: #154 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

We? Thee, not me.

I, personally would love for the infighting and bigotry to stop within the GOP.

Personally, I’d rather the whole thing just implode already so we can get back to the business of being respectable adults and bring moderation back to politics.

158 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:03:40am

re: #155 Spare O’Lake

Is there more of an obsession with phony role-playing among gays than in society at large, or is it just that it attracts more attention from gawkers?

I find gay guys more normal than frat boys talking about women like they’re something to be conquered.

I don’t know why you call it ‘phoney role-playing.’ Can you explain?

159 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:07:02am

re: #155 Spare O’Lake

Is there more of an obsession with phony role-playing among gays than in society at large, or is it just that it attracts more attention from gawkers?

I don’t think so. I see more role playing in hetero circles, especially from men, then homo circles.

160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:08:48am

re: #152 oaktree

I’m on the front side of the gout attack… have the meds… swelling is just really starting. Have to get my shoe on before the attack is full on…

Easier to get it off than it is to get it on.

(that’s what she said)

Y’all have a great morning!

161 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:08:53am

re: #156 Spare O’Lake

I have a wonderful baritone. It’s like waking to the waves on a beach, the rustling of leaves and rain on a tin roof all at once. When I wake you, you rise with a smile and greet the day with head held high.

I wait till after breakfast to be a prick.

162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:09:58am

re: #161 Jeff In Ohio

I’m a wonderful baritone, also. It’s my incredible humility (really! mine’s the best!) that keeps me from admitting it.

163 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:12:58am

re: #158 Obdicut

I find gay guys more normal than frat boys talking about women like they’re something to be conquered.

I don’t know why you call it ‘phoney role-playing.’ Can you explain?

Phony, not phoney. Phoney is when you speak nonsense on the phone a lot.
Assuming role play to be purposeful behaviour, it is inherently phony.
Can you explain why you ask?

164 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:13:49am

re: #162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I’m a wonderful baritone, also. It’s my incredible humility (really! mine’s the best!) that keeps me from admitting it.

Your humility is better then mine.

:)

165 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:13:57am

re: #160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I’m on the front side of the gout attack… have the meds… swelling is just really starting. Have to get my shoe on before the attack is full on…

Easier to get it off than it is to get it on.

(that’s what she said)

Y’all have a great morning!

The issue I have is the pain from the shoe pressing on the inflammation while I’m wearing it. And the pain affecting sleeping at night. Right now I’m on the tail-end of the attack and getting by wearing a shoe that is roomy in the right area. At least I can walk around as compared to the crippling effect when the attack is full-on; e.g. extreme pain simply from putting pressure on the affected joint.

Hope it’s a short attack and that the meds head it off!

166 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:17:10am

re: #164 Jeff In Ohio

Your humility is better then mine.

:)

ALL YOUR HUMILITY IS MINE!!!

167 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:17:39am

re: #163 Spare O’Lake

Phony, not phoney. Phoney is when you speak nonsense on the phone a lot.
Assuming role play to be purposeful behaviour, it is inherently phony.
Can you explain why you ask?

“It is inherently phony” isn’t an answer, Spare. And all you really did was accuse yourself of tautology— if roleplaing is inherently phony, then ‘phony roleplaying’ is a pleonasm.

Gay people are people. They play a role, they have an outer face, like all of us do. But yes, there’s a lot more obsession with those ‘roles’ than there are with heterosexual roles, in general, since gay people are the ‘other’.

It’s kind of like the ‘why do they have to be public with their sexuality?’ stuff, while all around us, on every billboard and on every commercial, heterosexual activity is plastered.

168 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:18:58am

re: #163 Spare O’Lake

Phony, not phoney. Phoney is when you speak nonsense on the phone a lot.
Assuming role play to be purposeful behaviour, it is inherently phony.
Can you explain why you ask?

To me, phony has negative connotations, but I didn’t think you meant it as ‘fraudulent or insincere’, but more ‘pretend’.

169 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:20:40am

re: #167 Obdicut

shit, where’s my dictionary.

170 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:21:20am

re: #168 Jeff In Ohio

One of the funny aspects of bear subculture is that it came from gays who didn’t want to leave the conventional trappings of male heterosexuality behind; the same values of confidence, reserve, controlling their emotions, being gruff, rugged, etc.

171 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:21:58am

re: #167 Obdicut

pleonasm - exactly the word I was looking for!

172 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:22:55am

re: #169 Jeff In Ohio

shit, where’s my dictionary.

My favorite word these days is battology. It’s conceptually pretty dense.

It’s inherently impossible to provide an example— it’s like the word ‘indescribable’; self-disproving.

173 McSpiff  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:26:52am

re: #163 Spare O’Lake

Phony, not phoney. Phoney is when you speak nonsense on the phone a lot.
Assuming role play to be purposeful behaviour, it is inherently phony.
Can you explain why you ask?

I’m a pretty masculine upper middle class guy, and I generally date ‘petite’ feminine women from a similar socio-economic background. How is that any more or any less of a role than a gay man who embraces an even more masculine side and dates similar men?

174 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:29:08am

re: #172 Obdicut

That’s a good one. Of course who decides what is needless. Percy Shelley or William Carlos Williams?

175 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:29:16am

re: #167 Obdicut

“It is inherently phony” isn’t an answer, Spare. And all you really did was accuse yourself of tautology— if roleplaing is inherently phony, then ‘phony roleplaying’ is a pleonasm.

Gay people are people. They play a role, they have an outer face, like all of us do. But yes, there’s a lot more obsession with those ‘roles’ than there are with heterosexual roles, in general, since gay people are the ‘other’.

It’s kind of like the ‘why do they have to be public with their sexuality?’ stuff, while all around us, on every billboard and on every commercial, heterosexual activity is plastered.


“Gay people are people” is a tautology and “they play a role” goes without saying. Such defensive platitudes may be appropriate in response to an attack on gays, but that is clearly not what I was doing.
Role playing is indeed inherently phony, for the reason I stated.
Can you explain your need to nit-pick?

176 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:30:08am

re: #165 oaktree

Thanks.

God is telling me to drink less (no) beer.

177 Vambo  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:30:48am

re: #163 Spare O’Lake

Phony, not phoney. Phoney is when you speak nonsense on the phone a lot.
Assuming role play to be purposeful behaviour, it is inherently phony.
Can you explain why you ask?

I never thought we’d be talking about bears and cubs on LGF.
LOL!

It’s not “role-playing”, you misunderstand… a “bear” is simply a hairy, somewhat heavy-set gay man. Bears, cubs, twinks, etc… it’s about body types.

178 McSpiff  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:32:07am

re: #177 Vambo

I never thought we’d be talking about bears and cubs on LGF.
LOL!

It’s not “role-playing”, you misunderstand… a “bear” is simply a hairy, somewhat heavy-set gay man. Bears, cubs, twinks, etc… it’s about body types.

I think it’s fair to say you also see similar attitudes about things like grooming, demeanor, etc amongst the body types though. At least in my experience.

179 SteveC  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:33:12am

re: #173 McSpiff

I’m a pretty masculine upper middle class guy, and I generally date ‘petite’ feminine women from a similar socio-economic background. How is that any more or any less of a role than a gay man who embraces an even more masculine side and dates similar men?

WHOA!

*pages back up to top*

Yep, this is LGF…..

180 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:34:10am

re: #175 Spare O’Lake

“Gay people are people” is a tautology

Not in context, no.

and “they play a role” goes without saying. Such defensive platitudes may be appropriate in response to an attack on gays, but that is clearly not what I was doing.

What are you talking about, dude?

Role playing is indeed inherently phony, for the reason I stated.

You didn’t actually state a reason. You didn’t actually define role-playing, either— at least not in a way that doesn’t include every single human being in existence.


Can you explain your need to nit-pick?

You get a lot of things wrong and your use of language is often very, very sloppy.

181 McSpiff  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:34:14am

re: #179 SteveC

My deep, dark secret is out ;-)

182 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:34:41am

re: #179 SteveC

LOL. My thoughts exactly.

That’s not a rageboner ™ in my pants.

183 Lidane  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:34:49am

What an awesome thread to wake up to. This is fantastic.

From watching the whackjobs at WND attacking one of their own to seeing bears, cubs, and twinks discussed, my morning is set.

184 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:34:51am

re: #177 Vambo

Oh shit, did he really think they were furries?

Oh god the laughter.

185 Vambo  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:34:53am

re: #178 McSpiff

I think it’s fair to say you also see similar attitudes about things like grooming, demeanor, etc amongst the body types though. At least in my experience.

Oh, definitely. I love bears because they are very gentle and accepting and don’t judge you based on your clothes or your style, and they never try to “out-gay” you. The same cannot be said for pretty-boy fashionista twinks, most of whom are just catty bitches.

186 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:35:10am

re: #168 Jeff In Ohio

To me, phony has negative connotations, but I didn’t think you meant it as ‘fraudulent or insincere’, but more ‘pretend’.

I agree with you. On the other hand when role play ceases to be an occasional recreational activity and instead becomes a defining characteristic of one’s persona, I would think that might become difficult and stressful.

187 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:35:32am

re: #186 Spare O’Lake

I agree with you. On the other hand when role play ceases to be an occasional recreational activity and instead becomes a defining characteristic of one’s persona, I would think that might become difficult and stressful.

Can you define ‘roleplaying’?

188 SteveC  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:35:44am

re: #181 McSpiff

My deep, dark secret is out ;-)

I thought that girl in the computer lab that I pissed off had finally caught up with me!

189 Vambo  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:35:44am

re: #184 Obdicut

Oh shit, did he really think they were furries?

Oh god the laughter.

LOLOLOLOL

190 McSpiff  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:36:16am

re: #187 Obdicut

Can you define ‘roleplaying’?

Its when teh gays don’t all act the same, as far as I can tell..

191 McSpiff  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:37:48am

re: #188 SteveC

Na, she’s still plotting her revenge.

192 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:38:52am

re: #173 McSpiff

I’m a pretty masculine upper middle class guy, and I generally date ‘petite’ feminine women from a similar socio-economic background. How is that any more or any less of a role than a gay man who embraces an even more masculine side and dates similar men?

If one is just being oneself and doing what comes naturally, then that is not role-playing.

193 SteveC  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:38:55am

Way OT…

Got rid of the sling, still have to wear the splint until September 10 at the earliest. Started Physical Therapy Monday.

Do Physical Therapist have an exemption to the “No cruel and unusual punishment” clause?????

194 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:39:52am

re: #192 Spare O’Lake

If one is just being oneself and doing what comes naturally, then that is not role-playing.

What does that mean? What comes ‘naturally’ to humans? We’re all part of cultures, you know.

Do you mean ‘doing whatever the culture you grew up in considers normal’?

195 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:40:38am

re: #187 Obdicut

Can you define ‘roleplaying’?

Look it up.

196 McSpiff  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:40:49am

re: #192 Spare O’Lake

If one is just being oneself and doing what comes naturally, then that is not role-playing.

Ok… so what makes you think that any of the people we’re talking about are doing anything different? Do you think bikers are ‘role playing’ as well? What makes what I’m doing any different than what a ‘bear’ does? Seeing as I generally fit the body type/hairy standard…

197 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:41:05am

re: #186 Spare O’Lake

I agree with you. On the other hand when role play ceases to be an occasional recreational activity and instead becomes a defining characteristic of one’s persona, I would think that might become difficult and stressful.

Oh I don’t know. I’m not going to pretend that I understand the machinations of gay subcultures. But I do know primarily hetero subcultures pretty well. Emo, Goth, bikers, Indie rockers - these are all people who visually are fairly easy to peg and for some reason or another, are not comfortable in the skin their in, find ways to dress it up to connect with people with similar interests.

I dunno. Maybe I’m missing something here.

198 McSpiff  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:41:39am

re: #197 Jeff In Ohio

Gays and muslims confuse spare.

199 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:42:46am

re: #195 Spare O’Lake

Look it up.

Why dodge?

There’s a lot of different ways one can mean ‘roleplaying’. I’m asking you to define it in the context of this conversation.

If you’re unable to do so, that’s fine— but then I think it shows you’re making a false distinction between gay people and heterosexuals.

200 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:44:32am

re: #194 Obdicut

What does that mean? What comes ‘naturally’ to humans? We’re all part of cultures, you know.

Do you mean ‘doing whatever the culture you grew up in considers normal’?

No. I meant what I said.

201 McSpiff  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:45:14am

Image: hippy.jpg

Image: biker_man_with_gun.jpg

Image: Rockstar_Lukas.jpg

Image: gay_bears.jpg

And its the last image I’m suppose to think is the role playing? (All safe for viewing)

202 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:46:22am

re: #196 McSpiff

Ok… so what makes you think that any of the people we’re talking about are doing anything different? Do you think bikers are ‘role playing’ as well? What makes what I’m doing any different than what a ‘bear’ does? Seeing as I generally fit the body type/hairy standard…

What does a bear do?

203 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:46:45am

re: #200 Spare O’Lake

No. I meant what I said.

What you said was unclear— humans ‘naturally’ don’t really do much of anything. We live in advanced cultures, with a lot of nuance to them. Humans aren’t animals.

What do you mean by ‘doing what comes naturally’? It’s a very unclear statement.

204 Nimed  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:46:59am

re: #200 Spare O’Lake

No. I meant what I said.

Why do you think being a bear is role playing? I’m genuinely curious — I look at it more as either a tribal or an identity thing.

205 McSpiff  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:47:15am

re: #202 Spare O’Lake

What does a bear do?

Eat, sleep, shit and screw? Just like the rest of us?

206 SteveC  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:47:31am

re: #202 Spare O’Lake

What does a bear do?


According to the old joke, a bear shits in the woods!

207 McSpiff  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:48:05am

re: #202 Spare O’Lake

What does a bear do?

This might be a good time to admit you had no clue what a bear actually was. But hey, you’ve learned something!

208 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:49:40am

re: #199 Obdicut

Why dodge?

There’s a lot of different ways one can mean ‘roleplaying’. I’m asking you to define it in the context of this conversation.

If you’re unable to do so, that’s fine— but then I think it shows you’re making a false distinction between gay people and heterosexuals.

Can you direct me to where I made such a distinction?

209 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:50:37am
210 Political Atheist  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:50:43am

Good Morning (PDST anyway)
Got lots of catching up to do on the thread, but I never thought Ann Coulter would be too “liberal” for anyone. Quotes ‘cause it’s awkward to use that word in the same sentence with her.

211 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:51:07am

re: #192 Spare O’Lake

If one is just being oneself and doing what comes naturally, then that is not role-playing.

If that’s the definition we’re using, I don’t see a lot of role playing in any of the gay or freak communities I frequent. At least not as much as I see in the upper middle class folks I travel with who pretend to be bikers, or rockers, or some other shit on the weekends. We don’t call that role playing, we call it being a tourist.

We all make choices based on how we prioritize the world. It may seem perfectly normal to you to go to college, get a job and make a conscious contribution to the political economy. It is to my wife. These things literally did not occur to me till I was in my late 30’s. Am I role playing? Dunno, you wouldn’t be the first to declare that I am (that was my mom). But working under your definition, I’ve been living my life pretty quite naturally, and in my estimation, quite honestly,

212 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:51:45am

re: #208 Spare O’Lake

Can you direct me to where I made such a distinction?

How about you try actually answering a question?

In order to answer your question, I’d have to know what your definition of role-playing is.

213 Vambo  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:52:21am

re: #195 Spare O’Lake

Look it up.

Role-playing is when your boyfriend buys you a glittery unitard and wants to play “superhero” with you. That is role-playing. Having a hairy back is not role-playing.

214 McSpiff  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:53:24am

re: #208 Spare O’Lake

Can you direct me to where I made such a distinction?

Bear: Generally considered to be a larger, hairy gay man with more masculine mannerisms.

Me: Generally considered to be a larger, hairy straight man with more masculine mannerisms.

If the first is role playing, and the 2nd isn’t the only difference is sexuality.

215 McSpiff  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:53:45am

re: #213 Vambo

Role-playing is when your boyfriend buys you a glittery unitard and wants to play “superhero” with you. That is role-playing. Having a hairy back is not role-playing.

Its a curse I live with every day :(

216 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:55:18am

re: #204 Nimed

Why do you think being a bear is role playing? I’m genuinely curious — I look at it more as either a tribal or an identity thing.

I never said it was or wasn’t role-playing.

217 Vambo  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:55:31am

re: #215 McSpiff

Its a curse I live with every day :(

pfft, I’m over it. But I have light-brown hair so it’s not a big deal. Still, I get compliments from bears on my hairy back & shoulders, while twinks and pretty boys are always giving me advice on hair-removal products. Guess which group I would rather hang out with?

218 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:56:37am

re: #216 Spare O’Lake

I never said it was or wasn’t role-playing.

What did you mean by this question, then, after the discussion on bears?


Is there more of an obsession with phony role-playing among gays than in society at large, or is it just that it attracts more attention from gawkers?

You’re claiming you weren’t calling being a bear ‘phony role-playing’, but the question just arose randomly with no connection to the discussion of bears?

219 McSpiff  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:59:01am

re: #217 Vambo

I’m just playing around… I could stand to lose a few pounds (well, 10 or so) but I’m generally pretty happy with my body image. Took me a long time to get over being ‘the fat kid’ though, I’ll tell ya what…

220 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:59:04am

re: #212 Obdicut

How about you try actually answering a question?

In order to answer your question, I’d have to know what your definition of role-playing is.

You accused me of making the distinction, so I asked you to direct me to where you think I did so. If you cannot do so, then stop pretending that I did, and withdraw the accusation.

221 McSpiff  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:59:46am

re: #220 Spare O’Lake

You accused me of making the distinction, so I asked you to direct me to where you think I did so. If you cannot do so, then stop pretending that I did, and withdraw the accusation.

See:

re: #214 McSpiff

Bear: Generally considered to be a larger, hairy gay man with more masculine mannerisms.

Me: Generally considered to be a larger, hairy straight man with more masculine mannerisms.

If the first is role playing, and the 2nd isn’t, the only difference is sexuality.

222 prairiefire  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:00:15am

re: #170 Obdicut

I thought a lot of it had to do with beards. That’s what Sully says.

223 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:02:24am

re: #220 Spare O’Lake

You accused me of making the distinction, so I asked you to direct me to where you think I did so. If you cannot do so, then stop pretending that I did, and withdraw the accusation.

Jesus christ, dude, this is a conversation, not a trial. Though you’re rather making it into one.

Yes, I feel that by asking your original question about whether there is more ‘role-playing’ in the gay community— implicitly saying that bears are ‘role-playing’— you were drawing a false distinction between (more accurately) one subgroup of gays and people in general. There is no ‘roleplaying’ that exists for bears that doesn’t exist for other human being— unless you can provide a definition of ‘roleplaying’ that somehow does.

Now you’re pretending you weren’t saying that bears are role-playing, however.

224 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:04:03am

I just put up a page, with video, about an evening with a Kurdish Iranian family.

Includes video of the family’s up-and-coming young rap star, a conversation about Jennifer Lopez, and much much more!

Seriously, a fun story, short video (less than 5 minutes). Worth a watch and a read if you have a few minutes.

225 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:05:51am

re: #224 reine.de.tout

There’s a Kurdish place near me here in New York. I’m going to try it out this weekend.

Now I have a conversational topic to either delight or confuse them.

226 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:06:19am

re: #225 Obdicut

There’s a Kurdish place near me here in New York. I’m going to try it out this weekend.

Now I have a conversational topic to either delight or confuse them.

Really, if you have time, read and watch. I still have a grin on my face.

227 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:06:30am

re: #218 Obdicut

What did you mean by this question, then, after the discussion on bears?

You’re claiming you weren’t calling being a bear ‘phony role-playing’, but the question just arose randomly with no connection to the discussion of bears?

Actually, if you refer to your own comment to which I was responding, you will see that it was you who drew a distinction between various subsets of gays.

“Of course, you may have met them without knowing it— the older generation of ‘bears’ came about due to gay men who preferred an unconscious display of masculinity to a conscious ‘gay’ profile.”
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]


Can you explain what you meant by a conscious gay profile?

228 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:06:52am

re: #226 reine.de.tout

I’m watching right now.

The barefoot dancing is adorable.

229 McSpiff  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:08:29am

I find it amazing that Spare can get into in depth discussions, only to reveal later that he did not understand a single word of the original post. Truly amazing.

Anyways I must get to work, so later all you freaks ;-) Gotta love the human condition!

230 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:08:44am

re: #5 tnguitarist

Buchanan says Newt went too far, WND tosses Coulter off their tour of hate…What’s next?
By time they get done, there won’t be enough of them left to elect an alderman.

You may be right… perhaps they need to ask Harry Reid advice about eating eat other up?

231 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:08:49am

Greets and saluts from the office of lawhawk overlooking Ground Zero. No sign of minarets and no sound of the muezzin call to prayer, even as this is Ramadan. /

We do, however, have signs of stupidity and criminality. Someone vandalized the 9/11 memorial on Staten Island (again). Gov. Paterson is in hot water with the Public Integrity Commission, and he’s also hoping to have a meeting with SoHo Properties to get them to find another location even though SoHo Properties has no interest in moving (pandering all the while to those New Yorkers who are opposed to the project).

Moreover, let’s say that they agree to move to somewhere else in Lower Manhattan. Where exactly would be acceptable? Two blocks isn’t far enough from Ground Zero according to opponents (.1 mile), but there are several other mosques in the area, and it’s not like anything is that far from anything else in Lower Manhattan (one of the more compact areas in the country and replete with skyscrapers).

What kind of precedent would be set with demanding the move to a different location based on a sphere of “sacredness of Ground Zero” that violates the First Amendment.

232 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:08:54am

re: #222 prairiefire

I thought a lot of it had to do with beards. That’s what Sully says.

Wait, I though a beard was a hetero cover for a lesbian…this so confusing!

233 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:09:05am

Is this a gay dating site now? What am I supposed to do now?

Oh, I know! Gay matchmaking!

234 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:09:09am

re: #227 Spare O’Lake

What does your question have to do with anything?

Yes, there are gay guys who consciously engage in ‘gay’ behavior, like drag shows, etc. Just like there are straight guys who consciously engage in ‘straight’ behavior.

What is difficult to understand about that?

Do you consider it ‘phony roleplaying’ when someone consciously tries to act a certain way? Why? What is your objection to defining what the hell you mean by ‘roleplaying’ so that your point of view has a chance of making sense?

235 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:10:54am

re: #223 Obdicut

See #227.
It was you who dintiguished between subgroups of gays on the basis of unconscious vs conscious behaviours. That is what prompted my query. As you can see it was you, not me, who was doing precisely what you accuse me of doing.

236 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:11:24am

re: #233 Alouette

It’s a mitzvah! :)

237 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:11:25am

re: #229 McSpiff

I find it amazing that Spare can get into in depth discussions, only to reveal later that he did not understand a single word of the original post. Truly amazing.

Anyways I must get to work, so later all you freaks ;-) Gotta love the human condition!

Fuck off and have a good day.

238 McSpiff  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:11:47am

re: #233 Alouette

Is this a gay dating site now? What am I supposed to do now?

Oh, I know! Gay matchmaking!

Not to get too into stereotypes, but this is why I love Jewish grandmothers. I’ve actually seen friend’s families react in similar ways. Grandmothers, previously defeated in attempts to matchmake, now with a whole world of new possibilities opened up.

239 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:12:24am

re: #235 Spare O’Lake

See #227.
It was you who dintiguished between subgroups of gays on the basis of unconscious vs conscious behaviours. That is what prompted my query. As you can see it was you, not me, who was doing precisely what you accuse me of doing.

Then you have no clue what I’m ‘accusing’ you of doing.

Can you define ‘roleplaying’, in the way that you meant it, so that I can actually understand what you’re saying? Or do you feel you ‘win’ when you make what you’re saying incomprehensible?

240 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:12:29am

re: #235 Spare O’Lake

distinguished
PIMF

241 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:12:41am

re: #233 Alouette

Is this a gay dating site now? What am I supposed to do now?

Oh, I know! Gay matchmaking!

Matchmaking is in your DNA.
Correct?

242 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:13:26am

re: #238 McSpiff

As I recall in Doonesbury, when the gay character revealed to his Jewish mother that he was gay, had AIDS, and had gotten it from his lover who was a surgeon, she responded, “My son is dating a doctor!”

243 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:16:03am

Newsweek has a list of the most notorious bloggers in America:

1. Andrew Breitbart
2. Perez Hilton
3. Andrew Sullivan
4. Sandra Rose
5. Michael Wolff
6. Michelle Malkin
7. Michael Arrington
8. Markos Moulitsas

I’ve got to confess I haven’t heard of Rose, Wolff, or Arrington (though I have seen Techcrunch from time to time).

Of that list, Breitbart, Sullivan, Malkin, and Kos certainly deserve their place on the list. Breitbart especially at the top of the list.

In the words of Kos - Screw ‘em!

244 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:19:47am

OT: is there anything better then some fresh yogurt, a ripe georgia peach and Go Lean Crunch all mixed together?

Nope, don’t think so!

245 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:20:08am

re: #241 reine.de.tout

Matchmaking is in your DNA.
Correct?

Heh.

246 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:20:50am

re: #244 Jeff In Ohio

OT: is there anything better then some fresh yogurt, a ripe georgia peach and Go Lean Crunch all mixed together?

Nope, don’t think so!

Yes, if you add raspberries.

247 MrSilverDragon  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:20:56am

Good morning, folks, from a wet and rainy DC area.

re: #244 Jeff In Ohio

OT: is there anything better then some fresh yogurt, a ripe georgia peach and Go Lean Crunch all mixed together?

Nope, don’t think so!

A side of bacon would improve that several times over!

248 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:21:24am

re: #239 Obdicut

Then you have no clue what I’m ‘accusing’ you of doing.

Can you define ‘roleplaying’, in the way that you meant it, so that I can actually understand what you’re saying? Or do you feel you ‘win’ when you make what you’re saying incomprehensible?

Dude, look it up.
Also, reread the thread and you will see that what I said is perfectly clear.
For reasons best known to you, my simple, straightforward question has attracted a persistent dose of your incessant nit-picking and half-baked accusations and insults.
Go fuck yourself.

249 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:21:42am

re: #244 Jeff In Ohio

OT: is there anything better then some fresh yogurt, a ripe georgia peach and Go Lean Crunch all mixed together?

Nope, don’t think so!

Don’t forget a huge glass of Chocolate milk!
Good Morning lizards!

250 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:23:38am

re: #233 Alouette

Is this a gay dating site now? What am I supposed to do now?

Oh, I know! Gay matchmaking!

Oy, have I got a bear for you!

251 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:26:46am

re: #248 Spare O’Lake

Telling someone to ‘look up’ the definition of a word with as myriad meanings as “roleplaying” is a dodge. I’m asking you, in the context of what you said, what you mean by “roleplaying” that doesn’t apply to every human being ever. Your only response has been to say that people who aren’t roleplaying just act ‘naturally’— another word that you’d need to define in order to mean anything.

It is not my fault that you’re not able to define your terms well enough for what you’re saying to make sense. If you don’t want what you say to be ‘nitpicked’, then answering questions about, say, what you mean by ‘roleplaying’ would help.

Basically, your original question can’t be answered unless you define ‘roleplaying’, and for some reason you refuse to do so.

252 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:27:38am

re: #246 Alouette

Yes, if you add raspberries.

Oh yes, you are correct.

253 JamesWI  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:27:47am

re: #243 lawhawk

Newsweek has a list of the most notorious bloggers in America:

I’ve got to confess I haven’t heard of Rose, Wolff, or Arrington (though I have seen Techcrunch from time to time).

Of that list, Breitbart, Sullivan, Malkin, and Kos certainly deserve their place on the list. Breitbart especially at the top of the list.

In the words of Kos - Screw ‘em!

Sometimes you just need a reminder of how stupid Michelle Malkin really is - Regarding Bush vs. Obama - “I don’t miss having a corporate socialist Republican in the White House any more than I like having a corporate socialist Democrat in the White House now.”

And how does one get to be a “corporate” socialist?

254 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:28:09am

re: #251 Obdicut

I just got her… could you quickly steer me to Spare’s original comment that sparked this conversation? Thanks.

255 iossarian  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:28:21am

Is it just me, or are gays, like, TOTALLY lame with their whole “role-playing” thing?

I mean, like, BEARS, really? What IS that?

Gross!

/too obvious

256 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:29:52am

re: #254 Walter L. Newton

I just got her… could you quickly steer me to Spare’s original comment that sparked this conversation? Thanks.

Do you not have a Ctrl or F key or something?

It’s comment 155. I’m sure you’ll add a lot to the discussion.

257 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:30:03am

re: #243 lawhawk

Newsweek has a list of the most notorious bloggers in America:

I’ve got to confess I haven’t heard of Rose, Wolff, or Arrington (though I have seen Techcrunch from time to time).

Of that list, Breitbart, Sullivan, Malkin, and Kos certainly deserve their place on the list. Breitbart especially at the top of the list.

In the words of Kos - Screw ‘em!

Prez Hilton? LOL at #2…He writes a gossip rag…

Now for best blogger list? Charles for sure…But what about Kelly T. from MLB.com? A smoking hot girl sportswriter that knows more about baseball in her little finger than most guys…Could you imagine sitting next to her at the park eating a frank and drinking a cold beer…
*I think I love this woman*
*I know I love this woman*
*gasp*
Kelly do you think you could explain the infield fly out rule? Again?

258 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:30:34am

re: #247 MrSilverDragon

re: #249 HoosierHoops

I gotta tell you, since our whole family adhere to my daughters diet (eliminate processed food, wheat, milk solids, gluten), we’ve all lost weight (me 30lbs!) and feel better.

I like bacon.

bacon….mmmmmm…BLT…..on fresh wheat bread…oh shit..

259 Nemesis6  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:31:15am

re: #1 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m betting that you want Justice Warren to be your commissar!

260 jc717  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:32:47am

Why would any homosexuals vote for today’s GOP candidates?
Why would any minorities vote for today’s GOP candidates?
Why would anyone that makes less than 250k/year vote for today’s GOP candidates?
Why do voters consistently vote against their best interest?
If people voted according to their best self interest, the GOP would get less than 5% of the vote. So much for wisdom of crowds.

261 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:33:17am

re: #256 Obdicut

Do you not have a Ctrl or F key or something?

It’s comment 155. I’m sure you’ll add a lot to the discussion.

Well, thank you so much for the kind answer… cake brain.

262 cliffster  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:33:24am

somebodies have got a case of the mondays. and it’s already wednesday!

Good wednesday morning, yall

263 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:34:11am

re: #261 Walter L. Newton

Well, thank you so much for the kind answer… cake brain.

Temper, temper.

264 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:35:09am

re: #257 HoosierHoops

Prez Hilton? LOL at #2…He writes a gossip rag…

Now for best blogger list? Charles for sure…

Ta Neshi Coates at the Atlantic
Steve Benen at the Washington Monthly
Attackerman

are some of my faves. I think Coates is one of the most fluid and cohesive writers out there today. He’s not so hot, though. At least I wouldn’t fuck him. Even if his back was hairy.

265 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:35:24am

re: #262 cliffster

somebodies have got a case of the mondays. and it’s already wednesday!

Good wednesday morning, yall

Good Morning..I’m sitting on the deck by the pool.. I haven’t a care in the world…

266 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:39:50am

re: #251 Obdicut

Telling someone to ‘look up’ the definition of a word with as myriad meanings as “roleplaying” is a dodge. I’m asking you, in the context of what you said, what you mean by “roleplaying” that doesn’t apply to every human being ever. Your only response has been to say that people who aren’t roleplaying just act ‘naturally’— another word that you’d need to define in order to mean anything.

It is not my fault that you’re not able to define your terms well enough for what you’re saying to make sense. If you don’t want what you say to be ‘nitpicked’, then answering questions about, say, what you mean by ‘roleplaying’ would help.

Basically, your original question can’t be answered unless you define ‘roleplaying’, and for some reason you refuse to do so.

You are the one who distinguished between conscious and unconscious gay behaviour.
To me, unconscious behaviour is not role playing, while conscious behaviour is a kind of role playing in that it is purposeful.
My question was answered by several people, including you, but then you decided that you didn’t and couldn’t.
End of discussion.
BBL

267 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:40:58am

re: #260 jc717

Why would anyone that makes less than 250k/year vote for today’s GOP candidates?
Because the Democrat candidates are worse? Christie v. Corzine comes to mind in NJ.

Why do voters consistently vote against their best interest?
See Rangel, Charles. You bring home the bacon, but you break the law at every turn showing absolute disdain for the rule of law, ethics, and the very tax code that you enact (and write). His constituents love him enough to send him back to DC election after election. Heck, they reelected him comfortably in 2008 despite the revelations about his tax cheating ways becoming an issue during the months leading up to the election. And I suspect he’ll be reelected in November, even as his case goes to the House to decide his fate (and even then, a slap on the wrist will be all he likely gets whereas anyone else in his position would have gotten hit with serious fines and sanctions).

If people voted according to their best self interest, the GOP would get less than 5% of the vote.
They would toss Democrats out left and right in the NYC metro area because the Democrats have controlled the legislature in NJ for decades - with disastrous results for the state budget and NYC and NY budgets have been disastrous for years with absolutely no fiscal accountability or responsibility, leaving taxpayers on the hook for billions.

For NY Democrats, a “fiscally responsible budget” this year is one that was 2.6% higher than last year’s budget, but required more than $1 billion in new taxes and fees. Cut out the higher taxes and fees and keep spending flat didn’t ever enter the equation, despite the fact that the state is essentially bankrupt.

268 cliffster  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:41:49am

re: #265 HoosierHoops

Good Morning..I’m sitting on the deck by the pool.. I haven’t a care in the world…

Not a care in the world? I guess you haven’t heard about this..

Peyton Manning arrested for soliciting a prostitute and cocaine possession.

269 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:42:27am

re: #266 Spare O’Lake

You are the one who distinguished between conscious and unconscious gay behaviour.
To me, unconscious behaviour is not role playing, while conscious behaviour is a kind of role playing in that it is purposeful.
My question was answered by several people, including you, but then you decided that you didn’t and couldn’t.
End of discussion.
BBL

You don’t actually get to declare ‘end of discussion’, dude. That’s kind of weird.

That’s a very odd definition of ‘roleplaying’. If someone consciously tries to be a good person, according to your definition, they’d be ‘roleplaying’. Your definition doesn’t really make any sense, especially in context.

It also doesn’t actually work at all, since you said that roleplaying is inherently phony— you’re now taking the completely fucking ridiculous position that all conscious behavior is ‘phony’.

This is a completely incoherent and contradictory explanation of what you meant.

270 darthstar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:43:16am

re: #268 cliffster

Not a care in the world? I guess you haven’t heard about this..

Peyton Manning arrested for soliciting a prostitute and cocaine possession.

I hear he likes to drink (milk) while he drives, too.

271 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:44:36am

re: #268 cliffster

Not a care in the world? I guess you haven’t heard about this..

Peyton Manning arrested for soliciting a prostitute and cocaine possession.

GaH! that was funny…You should see Peyton’s house..It looks like a castle..
I wonder how many people are on his staff…10 at least…The place is huge.

272 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:45:48am

Oy. I had enough football talk yesterday as I watched Rick Sanchez tell me more than what I ever wanted to know about Brett Favre’s itinerary.

273 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:46:09am

re: #271 HoosierHoops

274 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:46:28am

Who Is Pamela Geller?

275 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:47:13am

re: #269 Obdicut

Bullshit.
If you really want to fight, go stick your head up your ass and fight for air.

276 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:47:14am

re: #263 Obdicut

Temper, temper.

I’m not made, angry, I’m laughing at you. And now that you directed me to the comment that started this topic between you and Spare, I have to say that is one of the more stupid questions I’ve heard in a long time.

(Spare) Is there more of an obsession with phony role-playing among gays than in society at large, or is it just that it attracts more attention from gawkers?

More role playing. What the fuck does that mean? Does Spare mean acting out in public, like straights do at bars, sports events, concerts? Does he mean dressing up like at Comic Con, getting together to watch the academy awards, Halloween?

I’ve been among the gay community for over 40 years, and I’ve never notice more or less role playing (what ever that means to start with). I’ve seen as much “dressing up” in society in general as I’ve seen among gay men (and woman).

Stupid question in my opinion.

P.S. Bears are a little more complex than just the issue of projecting more masculinity, a lot of bears group together because they are “rebelling” against the more accepted good-looking, sexy, thin gays. A lot of bears hang together because they are overweight and are not as attractive to the rest of the gay community.

Which is the same thing we find in a straight society, prejudice against people who are heavyset, not as glamourous as the popular model, not one of the beautiful people.

277 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:47:24am

re: #271 HoosierHoops

I thought Manning was a clean-cut family dude.

There aren’t many Lou Gehrigs around these days.

278 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:48:20am

Mind controlling parasites? Sounds awfully like midichlorians to me.

279 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:48:36am

re: #275 Spare O’Lake

It’s not bullshit, dude. You clearly said that all roleplaying is inherently phony. Now you’re saying all conscious behavior is roleplaying. So you really are claiming all conscious behavior is phony.

I didn’t force you to make a bad argument, man. Don’t blame me.

280 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:49:06am

re: #266 Spare O’Lake

You are the one who distinguished between conscious and unconscious gay behaviour.
To me, unconscious behaviour is not role playing, while conscious behaviour is a kind of role playing in that it is purposeful.
My question was answered by several people, including you, but then you decided that you didn’t and couldn’t.
End of discussion.
BBL

Stupid bullshit Spare. It’s not role playing, it’s standard social interaction, straights do it too… ever been to a Karaoke bar, a academy award party, ever see whole groups of college kids dressing up for an event, a sports game and so on… you have a very narrow view of the gay community… they are more like you than you want to admit.

281 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:49:15am

re: #277 Obdicut

But don’t you know - Lou Gehrig didn’t have Lou Gehrig’s Disease?

282 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:50:17am

re: #277 Obdicut

I thought Manning was a clean-cut family dude.

There aren’t many Lou Gehrigs around these days.

Manning is a clean cut family guy (with probably a staff of 10)
I do know somebody that met him once at a Charity event..Said he acted like a dick to him..so take that for what you will

283 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:50:28am

re: #278 lawhawk

Mind controlling parasites? Sounds awfully like midichlorians to me.

That’s one of the things featured in the excellent book Mr. Wilson’s Cabinet of Wonder, which is an examination of the truly surreal Museum of Jurassic Technology. Basically, the museum puts exhibits of unbelievable but true things from the natural and human world right next to unbelievable and completely made up things.

I highly recommend the book.

284 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:51:13am

re: #266 Spare O’Lake

You are the one who distinguished between conscious and unconscious gay behaviour.
To me, unconscious behaviour is not role playing, while conscious behaviour is a kind of role playing in that it is purposeful.
My question was answered by several people, including you, but then you decided that you didn’t and couldn’t.
End of discussion.
BBL

And now you move the target… now it’s a “kind of role playing.” What next… “a little bit like role playing, but not quite role playing, only maybe role playing in some situations… on rare occasions?”

285 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:51:48am

re: #281 lawhawk

But don’t you know - Lou Gehrig didn’t have Lou Gehrig’s Disease?

Yeah, I was reading about that earlier today. It’s still too early to say, but it wouldn’t be the first time that head trauma mimicked a progressive disease.

In the end, you could call the ‘disease’ the presence of the protein, no matter how it got there.

Makes me glad I stopped boxing when I did.

286 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:52:08am

re: #274 Killgore Trout

Who Is Pamela Geller?

[Video]

Well yeah, it all seems crazy when you put it like that

Also, Chris Hayes seems really rough around the edges as a host.

287 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:54:16am

re: #278 lawhawk

Mind controlling parasites? Sounds awfully like midichlorians to me.

There is a snail parasite that infects its antenna. They get fat and turn rainbow colors. The parasite also makes the snail hang out where they can be seen by, and pecked at, by birds - which I believe is the next host in its life cycle. Antenna pop, parasite gets on birds and away it goes. Cool stuff.

288 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:55:55am

re: #287 Radicchio ad Absurdum

There is a snail parasite that infects its antenna. They get fat and turn rainbow colors. The parasite also makes the snail hang out where they can be seen by, and pecked at, by birds - which I believe is the next host in its life cycle. Antenna pop, parasite gets on birds and away it goes. Cool stuff.

Not for the snail… :P

289 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:56:34am

re: #280 Walter L. Newton

Stupid bullshit Spare. It’s not role playing, it’s standard social interaction, straights do it too… ever been to a Karaoke bar, a academy award party, ever see whole groups of college kids dressing up for an event, a sports game and so on… you have a very narrow view of the gay community… they are more like you than you want to admit.

Of course straights do “it” too. I know that all people engage in all kinds of role-play to varying degrees. Your assumption that my question was some kind of attack on gays is what is stupid bullshit. I asked a simple question which had no such baggage attached to it, so I have to conclude that you must think that I am some kind of gay-baiter, which again is total bullshit.
Life is a stage…Walter.
Now I really have to go.

290 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:57:26am

re: #284 Walter L. Newton

Target shmarget.

291 darthstar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:57:32am

re: #282 HoosierHoops

Manning is a clean cut family guy (with probably a staff of 10)
I do know somebody that met him once at a Charity event..Said he acted like a dick to him..so take that for what you will

Just because he doesn’t drink and doesn’t smoke doesn’t mean he can’t be a dick. That’s one of the biggest myths about celebrities…that those who live ‘pure lives’ are always nice people.

292 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:59:07am

re: #288 JasonA

Not for the snail… :P

[Link: www.amazon.com…]

Be afraid, be very very afraid.

Awesome book though. Just not for the squeamish.

293 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:59:46am

re: #291 darthstar

Just because he doesn’t drink and doesn’t smoke doesn’t mean he can’t be a dick. That’s one of the biggest myths about celebrities…that those who live ‘pure lives’ are always nice people.

Tiger Woods…
Just saying…

294 JamesWI  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:00:42am

Here’s a nice little roundup on that “crazy Muslim Extremist” Imam Rauf. Of course, since it’s posted at Yahoo, you can go through the comments to read some of the worst right-wing shit you can find. I’m talking, worse than hotair bad.

295 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:01:41am

re: #289 Spare O’Lake

Of course straights do “it” too. I know that all people engage in all kinds of role-play to varying degrees. Your assumption that my question was some kind of attack on gays is what is stupid bullshit. I asked a simple question which had no such baggage attached to it, so I have to conclude that you must think that I am some kind of gay-baiter, which again is total bullshit.
Life is a stage…Walter.
Now I really have to go.

I didn’t assume anything, you did “Is there more of an obsession with phony role-playing among gays than in society at large, or is it just that it attracts more attention from gawkers?”

Why/where do you assume that there is MORE obsession (and why do you even classify it an obsession) with gay and role playing?

296 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:02:01am

re: #294 JamesWI

Here’s a nice little roundup on that “crazy Muslim Extremist” Imam Rauf. Of course, since it’s posted at Yahoo, you can go through the comments to read some of the worst right-wing shit you can find. I’m talking, worse than hotair bad.

I wonder what sort of comments one would get if one took Pat Robertson’s career (and comments), modified the name, and changed all references of “Christian” to “Muslim”… :p

297 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:02:10am

re: #292 oaktree

[Link: www.amazon.com…]

Be afraid, be very very afraid.

Awesome book though. Just not for the squeamish.

LOL. I ordered that a few months ago.

298 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:02:50am

re: #294 JamesWI

Here’s a nice little roundup on that “crazy Muslim Extremist” Imam Rauf. Of course, since it’s posted at Yahoo, you can go through the comments to read some of the worst right-wing shit you can find. I’m talking, worse than hotair bad.

I said it the other day and I’l say it again: some people don’t want there to be any moderate Muslims.

299 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:03:58am

Ae we all a gaggle of giggles this morning?

300 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:04:59am

re: #294 JamesWI

Here’s a nice little roundup on that “crazy Muslim Extremist” Imam Rauf. Of course, since it’s posted at Yahoo, you can go through the comments to read some of the worst right-wing shit you can find. I’m talking, worse than hotair bad.

Any article at Yahoo is going to generate some bad shit in the comments. For example, any article about Israel will attract swarms of Jew-hating bottom suckers.

301 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:05:12am

re: #299 MandyManners

Ae we all a gaggle of giggles this morning?

Good morning Mandy…Hanging out by the pool..How are you today?

302 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:06:09am

re: #299 MandyManners

Ae we all a gaggle of giggles this morning?

Yes. We’ve avoided having cats tossed on us to get us out of bed this morning.

(Though my 7:15am “alarm clock” is two cats sitting on either side of my head doing the “get up and put food in our dish”* chorus.

*- free translation of Siamese meow/scream from range of 6”

303 cliffster  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:07:29am
304 JamesWI  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:07:32am

Some crazy Imam Rauf quotes from that story:

“We have to be very much more vocal about protecting human rights and planting the seeds of democratic regimes throughout the Arab and Muslim world,” he told Katie Couric, then with NBC, during an interview in October 2001.
-Extremist!!!!

“Islamic extremism for the majority of Muslims is an oxymoron,” he said. “It is a fundamental contradiction in terms.”
-Radical!!!!


“Imam Feisal has participated at the Aspen Institute in Muslim-Christian-Jewish working groups looking at ways to promote greater religious tolerance,” Walter Isaacson, head of The Aspen Institute told the Huffington Post. “He has consistently denounced radical Islam and terrorism, and promoted a moderate and tolerant Islam. Some of this work was done under the auspices of his own group, the Cordoba Initiative. I liked his book, and I participated in some of the meetings in 2004 or so. This is why I find it a shame that his good work is being undermined by this inflamed dispute. He is the type of leader we should be celebrating in America, not undermining.”

305 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:09:56am

A post (headline) in which I agree with Barney Frank (D-MA):

Abolish Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.

The problem, of course, is that no one knows what should replace ‘em and what to do with the trillions in obligations that taxpayers are on the hook for - Frank and many on the GOP side included.

Tighter lending standards that require lenders to check whether borrowers can repay should be key to any long term strategy. Weakening lending standards helped grow the crisis. Easy money and a rising real estate market made it seem like money was free - cheap and risk free.

Keeping the risk of loss on the parties to the contract should be paramount - the borrower and the lenders.

306 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:10:20am

re: #286 JasonA

Well yeah, it all seems crazy when you put it like that

Also, Chris Hayes seems really rough around the edges as a host.

Yeah, he’s got a mush mouth and has a hard time pronouncing things. He also looks too much like Maddow, I find it distracting.
They also missed all the Eurofascist connections with Geller. The SIOA is a direct affiliate of the SIOE (Vlaams Belang, FN, Sweden Democrats, Geert) and the EDL (BNP). It’s a shame the lefties don’t do more research.

307 Ericus58  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:15:01am

re: #268 cliffster

Not a care in the world? I guess you haven’t heard about this..

Peyton Manning arrested for soliciting a prostitute and cocaine possession.

Geezzzz Dude - that was like getting one of those emails with the bogeyman and some loud scream from your speakers in a sneak attack!

308 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:16:30am

re: #301 HoosierHoops

Good morning Mandy…Hanging out by the pool..How are you today?

Other than a suspected spider bite on my chest that’s worrying the snot out of me, I’m fine. How’re you?

309 cliffster  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:17:08am

re: #307 Ericus58

Geezzz Dude - that was like getting one of those emails with the bogeyman and some loud scream from your speakers in a sneak attack!

I’m really not a very nice guy.

310 daliarose  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:17:14am

Is there any doubt now that the Republican wagon is completely off the rails? Ann Coulter is not right wing enough!

A thoroughly embarrassed and disheartened Republican

311 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:17:29am

re: #302 oaktree

Yes. We’ve avoided having cats tossed on us to get us out of bed this morning.

(Though my 7:15am “alarm clock” is two cats sitting on either side of my head doing the “get up and put food in our dish”* chorus.

*- free translation of Siamese meow/scream from range of 6”

I once served a cat who would just stare at me when he wanted me to wake. Loudest stare on the planet.

312 cliffster  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:18:06am

This is a real, live zebra.

in this kid’s yard.

he’s not even joking

313 JamesWI  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:19:43am

One juror was the difference in whether Blago would be convicted on all counts or just the one. I wonder if that juror said something along the lines of “I’ve got this vote and it’s f—-ing golden. I’m not just giving it up for f—-ing nothing. I can use it and parachute me there.”

314 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:20:48am

Preventing gays from marrying or serving in the military is seen by many as a matter of antional security and safety: if we allow it, then God will punish America with fire and brimstone.

This is what they mean by “sodomy is more than a lifestyle choice”.

315 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:25:35am
316 Political Atheist  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:28:05am

re: #304 JamesWI

Some crazy Imam Rauf quotes from that story:

“We have to be very much more vocal about protecting human rights and planting the seeds of democratic regimes throughout the Arab and Muslim world,” he told Katie Couric, then with NBC, during an interview in October 2001.
-Extremist!!!

“Islamic extremism for the majority of Muslims is an oxymoron,” he said. “It is a fundamental contradiction in terms.”
-Radical!!!

“Imam Feisal has participated at the Aspen Institute in Muslim-Christian-Jewish working groups looking at ways to promote greater religious tolerance,” Walter Isaacson, head of The Aspen Institute told the Huffington Post. “He has consistently denounced radical Islam and terrorism, and promoted a moderate and tolerant Islam. Some of this work was done under the auspices of his own group, the Cordoba Initiative. I liked his book, and I participated in some of the meetings in 2004 or so. This is why I find it a shame that his good work is being undermined by this inflamed dispute. He is the type of leader we should be celebrating in America, not undermining.”

You should Page that. The more quotes the better.

317 Political Atheist  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:28:52am

BTW I had to totally drop this topic at work.
Da boss is wildly anti mosque.

318 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:32:02am

re: #317 Rightwingconspirator

BTW I had to totally drop this topic at work.
Da boss is wildly anti mosque.

You should tell him you’ve converted.

/

319 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:33:37am

re: #317 Rightwingconspirator

BTW I had to totally drop this topic at work.
Da boss is wildly anti mosque.

Politics isn’t spoken about at my work..

320 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:39:22am

re: #318 JasonA

You should tell him you’ve converted.

/

That popping sound you hear is Da Boss’s head asploding.

321 Political Atheist  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:40:44am

re: #318 JasonA

You should tell him you’ve converted.

/

Umm, He’s jewish. Could be quite a misunderstanding there. :) What can I say. Fox fan. BTW We are allowed to browse the ‘net between orders or awaiting a post edit render or print run.

322 ihateronpaul  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:40:51am

that wacky joseph farah is OBSESSED with homosexuality. If he doesn’t like gay sex, then he shouldn’t do it and then mind his goddamn business

323 Gus  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:41:41am

Another day of zero opportunity. We don’t build things any more. We just regulate it.

324 HoosierHoops  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:47:31am

re: #323 Gus 802

Another day of zero opportunity. We don’t build things any more. We just regulate it.

Old man lying by the side of the road
With the lorries rolling by,
Blue moon sinking from the weight of the load
And the building scrape the sky,
Cold wind ripping down the allay at dawn
And the morning paper flies,
Dead man lying by the side of the road
With the daylight in his eyes.

Don’t let it bring you down
It’s only castles burning,
Find someone who’s turning
And you will come around.

325 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:49:31am

The Minnesota Court of Appeals has upheld a penalty of $139,800 that state Education Commissioner Alice Seagren imposed against a metro-area charter school for employing teachers who lacked proper licenses.

In an unpublished opinion filed Tuesday, Judge Michelle Larkin wrote that Seagren did not abuse her discretion when she withheld state aid from Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy (TiZA).

In November, Seagren ruled that eight teachers at TiZA did not have proper licenses in the spring of 2009, when Minnesota Department of Education officials investigated complaints of licensure violations at the school.

SNIP

Officials at the school also threatened parents.

Most of us occasionally have differences of opinion with our neighborhood public school. If you voice your complaints, you may risk a frown from the principal or a cold shoulder from other parents at a school softball game.

But at one Minnesota public school, critics may be in for something more sinister. Khalid Elmasry says in an affidavit that after he criticized Tarek ibn Ziyad Academy (TiZA), which his child used to attend, the school’s executive director made a statement at a parent meeting that Elmasry took “as an attempt to incite violence against me and my family.” Even more disturbing is what Janeha Edwards — a former administrative assistant at the school — says in an affidavit the director suggested after she displeased him: “We could just kill you, yeah tell your husband we’ll do his job for him.”

These bizarre developments are described in documents filed in a legal battle royal between TiZA — a K-8 charter school with campuses in Inver Grove Heights and Blaine — and the American Civil Liberties Union of Minnesota. Last year, the ACLU filed a federal suit claiming that TiZA impermissibly promotes religion.

SNIP

Elmasry is one witness who sought such protection. In January, he testified about TiZA’s financial entanglement with the Muslim American Society of Minnesota at a Minnesota Senate subcommittee hearing on charter school lease aid. Shortly thereafter, Elmasry says in an affidavit, he was informed by a friend and TIZA parent that TiZA authorities had called a parent meeting, where they showed a video of Elmasry’s testimony. Then, according to the parent’s account, Asad Zaman, the school’s director and an imam — or Muslim religious leader — accused Elmasry of talking to the Minnesota Department of Education and “selling” his “Iman,” meaning his Islamic faith, according to Elmasry’s affidavit.

Elmasry was frightened, he says. “It is well-known in Islam that a Muslim who rejects his or her faith is committing an act punishable by death,” according to his affidavit. “There are many accounts of Muslims taking matters into their own hands and killing people they believe have sold or rejected their Islamic faith or Iman.”

SNIP

326 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:53:06am

re: #313 JamesWI

One juror was the difference in whether Blago would be convicted on all counts or just the one. I wonder if that juror said something along the lines of “I’ve got this vote and it’s f—-ing golden. I’m not just giving it up for f—-ing nothing. I can use it and parachute me there.”

I wonder, if in the retrial, the Feds will add the multitude of charges he was selling state jobs and board appointments for campaign cash. Word on the street is that the State Attorney General had him dead to rights on that, but, for some reason, the fed US Attorney chose to to make those charges.

327 webevintage  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:56:40am

re: #315 JasonA

[Link: icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com…]

Damn!
Someone left a dead mole on my porch just yesterday.
I wonder what I did to piss off the local Cat Godfather?

328 Gus  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:58:46am
329 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:58:59am

re: #326 Taqyia2Me

PIMF
Chose not to make those charges.

330 Gus  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:00:44am

This is, weird. It’s in the USA too.

Candidates undergo hunger strike

331 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:02:28am

re: #330 Gus 802

This is, weird. It’s in the USA too.

Candidates undergo hunger strike

Couple of fucking nuts.

332 Gus  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:04:12am

re: #331 MandyManners

Couple of fucking nuts.

Here’s one of twos website:

Breaking News!

Ray Lutz has been engaged in a hunger strike, which began Thursday, August 12th, at sundown. He will remain on a hunger strike until the incumbent, Duncan D. Hunter, agrees to debate. Libertarian candidate, Michael Benoit, has already agreed to debate the issues. The “Hungry for Accountability in Congress – It starts with Debate” hunger strike continues with as of yet no direct reply from Duncan D. Hunter’s campaign.

333 Gus  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:05:03am

If you won’t debate me then I’ll stop eating!!11ty

334 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:05:58am

re: #332 Gus 802

Here’s one of twos website:

Breaking News!

Remember Cindy Sheehan’s “fast”?

335 webevintage  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:06:51am

re: #303 cliffster

Parents of Boy With Autism Map Out His Future as an Adult

That is a wonderful story.
My son is not autistic, but his LD’s and personality tics keep me up nights worrying about his future and how alone he would be if anything happened to my husband and I.

336 Gus  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:07:34am

re: #334 MandyManners

Remember Cindy Sheehan’s “fast”?

Barely. Typically when I think of a hunger strike it reminds me of Cuba. This is ridiculous. I get the feeling they’re trying to create some kind of “3rd world oppression feel” about the whole stunt.

337 cliffster  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:07:36am
338 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:08:57am

re: #335 webevintage

That is a wonderful story.
My son is not autistic, but his LD’s and personality tics keep me up nights worrying about his future and how alone he would be if anything happened to my husband and I.

LD’s ?

339 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:09:04am

re: #336 Gus 802

Barely. Typically when I think of a hunger strike it reminds me of Cuba. This is ridiculous. I get the feeling they’re trying to create some kind of “3rd world oppression feel” about the whole stunt.

IIRC, Sheehan was photographed eating quite a few times during her fast. I think Charles had a thread or two about it.

340 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:09:26am

re: #337 cliffster

Cliff… incoming… first class mail… heads up…

341 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:09:28am

re: #336 Gus 802

Barely. Typically when I think of a hunger strike it reminds me of Cuba. This is ridiculous. I get the feeling they’re trying to create some kind of “3rd world oppression feel” about the whole stunt.

Or, they’re just attention-whores.

342 Gus  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:09:41am

re: #339 MandyManners

IIRC, Sheehan was photographed eating quite a few times during her fast. I think Charles had a thread or two about it.

Right, right. I remember that now.

343 cliffster  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:10:00am

re: #335 webevintage

That is a wonderful story.
My son is not autistic, but his LD’s and personality tics keep me up nights worrying about his future and how alone he would be if anything happened to my husband and I.

yeah, I’m with ya

344 cliffster  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:10:36am

re: #340 Walter L. Newton

Cliff… incoming… first class mail… heads up…

sweet

I’m a little scared… ;)

345 webevintage  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:11:31am

re: #338 Walter L. Newton

LD’s ?

Learning Disabilities

346 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:12:42am

re: #345 webevintage

Learning Disabilities

Thank you.

347 Gus  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:13:07am

re: #344 cliffster

sweet

I’m a little scared… ;)

When you get it better do this first.

///

348 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:13:35am

It’s 80 degrees with 80 per cent humidity now. Yummy!

349 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:13:46am

re: #344 cliffster

sweet

I’m a little scared… ;)

Plant the package marked “pop people” in a cool, dark closet… and don’t water for at least a month.

350 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:14:09am

re: #342 Gus 802

Right, right. I remember that now.

I check out Code Pink every now and then. I don’t see her around but, the other nuts abound.

351 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:14:38am

re: #4 Cato the Elder

Maybe, if she stands firm, someone will finally secure the ultimate story about that Adam’s apple of hers.

Me, I think she is the T in LGBT.

Heh! You have no idea just how many of us “T girls” are also closet Republicans…or open Republicans but closet T girls…

True story…

A post op and very pretty trans girl I know here in NC was sleeping with somebody in the leadership of the local Republican Party a couple of years back. She never did tell him she had once, ahem, been somebody else with different equipment previously.

352 Gus  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:16:38am

re: #350 MandyManners

I check out Code Pink every now and then. I don’t see her around but, the other nuts abound.

That’s a strange bunch.

353 cliffster  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:17:55am

re: #345 webevintage

Learning Disabilities

Fill him up with love and confidence. That’s mostly what we can do as parents. On top of that, everyone has to manage their lives, and a parent’s job is to help their kid learn to do that. Some people - life’s a little harder to manage. Same task, different difficulty level.

354 Gus  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:18:00am
355 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:18:33am

Uganda has charged 32 people in connection with the July 11 bomb attacks in Kampala which killed 76 people as they watched the World Cup final, the country’s chief prosecutor said Wednesday.

Four Ugandan alleged masterminds were among the 32 who were charged with 76 counts of murder, 10 counts of attempted murder and committing acts of terrorism, the director of public prosecutions Richard Butera told AFP.

SNIP

Among the defendants are 14 Ugandans, 10 Kenyans, six Somalis, one Rwandan and one Pakistani, according to a list published Tuesday by the state-controlled New Vision newspaper.

SNIP

Mugira said Uganda has apprehended “all those responsible” for carrying out the attacks, which have been claimed by Somalia’s Al-Qaeda inspired Shebab Islamists.

Two of the Ugandans who confessed last week said they had fought alongside Shebab in Somalia but were ordered earlier this year to return to Kampala to plan and execute the July 11 attacks.

356 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:19:27am

re: #352 Gus 802

That’s a strange bunch.

Their hatred of Rove is unhinged.

357 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:19:40am

re: #326 Taqyia2Me

I wonder, if in the retrial, the Feds will add the multitude of charges he was selling state jobs and board appointments for campaign cash. Word on the street is that the State Attorney General had him dead to rights on that, but, for some reason, the fed US Attorney chose to to make those charges.

Certainly can’t be because Fitzgerald is a publicity whore.

358 cliffster  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:20:45am

re: #349 Walter L. Newton

Plant the package marked “pop people” in a cool, dark closet… and don’t water for at least a month.

am I going to start hearing this music?

359 Gus  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:22:48am

re: #356 MandyManners

Their hatred of Rove is unhinged.

Yeah. That was a frequent meme. Along with the Haliburton rules the world meme. Rove was like all Chief of Staff and they’re all pretty ruthless regardless of party or ideology. Comes with the territory.

360 Taqyia2Me  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:23:36am

re: #357 RogueOne

Certainly can’t be because Fitzgerald is a publicity whore.

Our tax dollars at work!

362 Gus  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:27:27am

Rut roh!

Bet he’s glad he installed that emergency chute.

363 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:27:56am

re: #348 MandyManners

It’s 80 degrees with 80 per cent humidity now. Yummy!

Fall has fallen here in the wild north country, the 90+-degree heat finally breaking over the weekend and yielding cool and pleasant upper-70’s afternoons and sub-60-degree nights. Time for apple cider!

364 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:29:00am

re: #359 Gus 802

Yeah. That was a frequent meme. Along with the Haliburton rules the world meme. Rove was like all Chief of Staff and they’re all pretty ruthless regardless of party or ideology. Comes with the territory.

Rove is a Magnificent Bastard!

365 Gus  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:30:30am
366 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:33:09am

re: #363 thedopefishlives

Fall has fallen here in the wild north country, the 90+-degree heat finally breaking over the weekend and yielding cool and pleasant upper-70’s afternoons and sub-60-degree nights. Time for apple cider!

We’ve had some incredible heat indices this month but, typical for August. I hope it’ll stay in the 80s today ‘cause I’m pickling and canning a whole mass of beets, and that’s hot work.

Man, I love pickled beets. I love summer.

We’re planning an end-of-summer pot-luck feast. I’ll provide the steaks and roasted chickens and things from my garden while others will bring stuff and dishes made of things from their gardens. The tables should groan under the weight of the food.

367 sakublock  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:37:32am

Does this mean the majority of New Yorkers are a bunch of red neck, bogoted hate mongers all part of the hate muslim machine? Or should be just take up poll from the upper west side?

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

Yeah, I know troll troll blah blah blah…..

368 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:38:58am

re: #366 MandyManners

We’re planning an end-of-summer pot-luck feast. I’ll provide the steaks and roasted chickens and things from my garden while others will bring stuff and dishes made of things from their gardens. The tables should groan under the weight of the food.

Oh, that sounds delish. I spent last weekend back in fish country with my parents. One of the Indiana delicacies that I miss up here is the breaded pork tenderloin, which nobody makes quite like they do back home. I was able to indulge myself in one while I was there, and was it ever good.

369 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:39:53am

re: #368 thedopefishlives

Oh, that sounds delish. I spent last weekend back in fish country with my parents. One of the Indiana delicacies that I miss up here is the breaded pork tenderloin, which nobody makes quite like they do back home. I was able to indulge myself in one while I was there, and was it ever good.

You ain’t go no pigs up thar?

370 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:41:16am

re: #369 MandyManners

You ain’t go no pigs up thar?

Pigs we have aplenty. Breaded tenderloins seem to be in short supply. Seems we use up all the meat making grilled pork chops on a stick.

371 Soap_Man  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:42:01am

Morning all.

I have been really disappointed with polling concerning the Corboda House. All these polls have just asked whether or not people oppose it. This, of course, ignores whether or not people think the government should intervene or whether they have the legal right to build it.

So, it’s nice to see this:

ew York voters oppose by a nearly 2-to-1 margin plans to build an Islamic community center and mosque near Ground Zero in Manhattan, according to a new Siena Research Institute poll released Wednesday.

The same voters, however, overwhelmingly say the center’s developers have a constitutional right to build it.

When asked if they “support or oppose the proposal to build the Cordoba House,” New Yorkers said they oppose the facility, which is expected to cost $100 million, by a 63-27 percent margin. At the same time, by a 64-to-28 percent margin, New Yorkers say Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf has the constitutional right to build it.

“A majority of every demographic group – by party, region, age, gender, political philosophy – agrees that there is a Constitutional right to proceed,” said Siena College pollster Steven Greenberg. “Even a majority of those who oppose building the mosque agree by a margin of 51-42 percent that they have the right to build it.”

A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll released August 11 marked nationwide opposition to the proposed facility at 68 percent.

The Siena poll has a sampling error of plus or minus 3.5 percent. It was conducted by phone with 788 New York State voters from August 9-16.

372 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:43:03am

re: #367 sakublock

Does this mean the majority of New Yorkers are a bunch of red neck, bogoted hate mongers all part of the hate muslim machine? Or should be just take up poll from the upper west side?

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

Yeah, I know troll troll blah blah blah…

No… bigoted… and so is Harry Reid.

373 Gus  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:43:11am

re: #367 sakublock

That’s very original of you. Especially the last line about being a troll which is at least accurate.

374 Soap_Man  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:45:29am

re: #371 Soap_Man

Morning all.

I have been really disappointed with polling concerning the Corboda House. All these polls have just asked whether or not people oppose it. This, of course, ignores whether or not people think the government should intervene or whether they have the legal right to build it.

So, it’s nice to see this:


Ha! I totally posted that without reading the recent comments.

Party foul!

375 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:46:17am

re: #367 sakublock

Does this mean the majority of New Yorkers are a bunch of red neck, bogoted hate mongers all part of the hate muslim machine? Or should be just take up poll from the upper west side?

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

Yeah, I know troll troll blah blah blah…

It means that KulturKampf wedge issue mongering is still effective at scaring people.


Oh, and you are a troll. Got that one right.

376 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:46:56am

re: #371 Soap_Man

Morning all.

I have been really disappointed with polling concerning the Corboda House. All these polls have just asked whether or not people oppose it. This, of course, ignores whether or not people think the government should intervene or whether they have the legal right to build it.

So, it’s nice to see this:

Man, I don’t know how to feel about that. Part of me is glad that people at least accept the constituionality of it but another part of me is upset that people think that their feelings should override constituional rights.

377 webevintage  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:50:16am

I thought I read (some poll, somewhere) that people who actually live in Manhattan support the Community Center With A Mosque In It being built on the site of the sacred Burlington Coat Factory?

378 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:50:39am

re: #367 sakublock

How about just lower Manhattan?

379 webevintage  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:52:16am

re: #377 webevintage

I thought I read (some poll, somewhere) that people who actually live in Manhattan support the Community Center With A Mosque In It being built on the site of the sacred Burlington Coat Factory?

Oh it was here:
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

came up as 2nd on goggle to search:
Manhattan resident support mosque

380 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:53:15am

re: #377 webevintage

Which got hit by parts of the plane that struck the South Tower.

381 sakublock  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:53:40am

re: #375 celticdragon

I always love the people who yell “troll” all the time. Its when your belief system does not quite gel with theirs and they cannot quite comprehend why, so they automatically resort to primal instincts of the tribe. Great way to be open minded and encourage debate?

382 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:54:25am

re: #378 Jeff In Ohio

I’ve asked my readers to point out on a map where they find it acceptable for them to build the community center in Lower Manhattan. I was curious to see just where they think it acceptable.

383 jaunte  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:54:44am

re: #371 Soap_Man

Maybe they should include another question in these polls:
“Do you think it’s reasonable to conflate all Muslims with the terrorists who attacked the World Trade Center?”

384 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:55:00am

re: #381 sakublock

There are plenty of people who comment on this blog who have perspectives that do not gel and are never called trolls.

Do the math.

385 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:55:15am

re: #380 lawhawk

Which got hit by parts of the plane that struck the South Tower.

Everything in a wide radius got hit by parts of something that day. It’s still just the old burlington coat factory.

386 Gus  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:56:17am

re: #381 sakublock

Now you’re being annoying.

387 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:59:22am

re: #370 thedopefishlives

Pigs we have aplenty. Breaded tenderloins seem to be in short supply. Seems we use up all the meat making grilled pork chops on a stick.

Grilled pork chops on a stick? A pork-a-bob?

388 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:59:40am

re: #367 sakublock

Does this mean the majority of New Yorkers are a bunch of red neck, bogoted hate mongers all part of the hate muslim machine? Or should be just take up poll from the upper west side?

[Link: news.yahoo.com…]

Yeah, I know troll troll blah blah blah…

It does not matter how many people buy the bullshit of the Bigot Brigade. We have laws in this country and a Constitution, and the creeps haven’t been able to rewrite it yet.

And yes, a lot of the people who are mindlessly opposed to the Cordoba House have simply given in to bigotry.

389 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:00:04am

I am baffled by critics of Park51 who bring up that a majority of Americans oppose it but totally gloss over the fact that a majority of Manhattan residents support it. How is the opinion of someone who chances are will never see this community center matter more than someone who will see it every day. If you’re going to talk about the polling, at least focus on the people who actually live in the area.

390 Gus  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:00:39am

This might be something for people that texting while driving should think about.

Celebrity plastic surgeon apparently Twittered minutes before deadly crash

Reid said investigators have not confirmed the cause of the crash but were looking into whether text messaging or Twittering may have played a role.

“We’re looking into that along with many other factors,” Reid said.
Ryan’s ex-girlfriend, Los Angeles publicist Charmaine Blake, told People magazine on Tuesday that Ryan was “texting while driving and he accidentally went over the cliff.”

391 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:01:38am

re: #389 HappyWarrior

I am baffled by critics of Park51 who bring up that a majority of Americans oppose it but totally gloss over the fact that a majority of Manhattan residents support it. How is the opinion of someone who chances are will never see this community center matter more than someone who will see it every day. If you’re going to talk about the polling, at least focus on the people who actually live in the area.

It does not matter how many people support or oppose it. They own the property and they have a legal right to build there. Period, finished, end of conversation.

392 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:02:07am

re: #390 Gus 802

This might be something for people that texting while driving should think about.

Celebrity plastic surgeon apparently Twittered minutes before deadly crash

Why in the world this isn’t illegal already is beyond me.

393 Kragar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:02:26am

re: #390 Gus 802

This might be something for people that texting while driving should think about.

Celebrity plastic surgeon apparently Twittered minutes before deadly crash

Apparently, his last text was “AAARRRGGGHHH!”

394 webevintage  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:02:33am

re: #382 lawhawk

I’ve asked my readers to point out on a map where they find it acceptable for them to build the community center in Lower Manhattan. I was curious to see just where they think it acceptable.

Have you gotten any results yet?

395 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:03:16am

re: #391 Alouette

It does not matter how many people support or oppose it. They own the property and they have a legal right to build there. Period, finished, end of conversation.

Oh absolutely I agree. I just find it really funny that the critics have been saying that a majority of Americans oppose Park51 but they never bring up as Charles has showed that a majority of Manhannites support the project. I don’t care if a majority of people oppose it. People are letting their emotions get in the way of constituional rights and that is always wrong.

396 Gus  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:03:32am

re: #392 MandyManners

Why in the world this isn’t illegal already is beyond me.

Might be in certain states already. Of course laws like that tend to be ignored. But, it would cut down on accidents and fatalities because of those that would observe the law.

397 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:03:56am

re: #385 Fozzie Bear

I know that. Bear in mind also that when the towers collapsed, the billowing smoke and pulverized towers (all the people, concrete, steel, and other materials in the towers) were sent all over Lower Manhattan, across into Brooklyn, and cast away as far as New Jersey and one could smell the fires for weeks after up past 14th Street depending on which way the wind blew.

In other words, if someone is claiming that because the Burlington Coat Factory was hit by debris from the tower somehow makes it off-limits to construction, the same can be said for any other buildings within the cloud of debris. That would seemingly push construction out of Lower Manhattan altogether, and out of CB1, which approved its siting.

398 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:04:46am

re: #394 webevintage

Not yet.

399 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:06:34am

re: #387 MandyManners

Grilled pork chops on a stick? A pork-a-bob?

Somewhat like that, yes. Except it’s actually the whole pork chop, bone-in, grilled and seasoned and stabbed with a skewer. As a general rule of thumb, when it comes to Minnesota fair food, it has to be either deep-fried or on a stick or it doesn’t count. Bonus points if it’s both.

400 webevintage  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:07:14am

re: #396 Gus 802

Might be in certain states already. Of course laws like that tend to be ignored. But, it would cut down on accidents and fatalities because of those that would observe the law.

It is illegal in Arkansas to text while driving.
I’m amazed that there needs to be a law….

(and I’ll admit when I see stories like the Doctor’s (or those young folks who went out looking for the bus from Into the Wild) who die I think “nature culling the herd” but then I feel guilty to think things like that and hope my son never dies doing something stupid.)

401 MandyManners  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:08:06am

Well, screw cannning beets. I gotta’ go get this spider bite seen about. The area around the bite is swollen and extremely sensitive and sore.

Have a great day, Lizards!

402 webevintage  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:08:42am

re: #401 MandyManners

Well, screw cannning beets. I gotta’ go get this spider bite seen about. The area around the bite is swollen and extremely sensitive and sore.

Have a great day, Lizards!

Good luck.
Hope it is easily dealt with!

403 darthstar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:10:14am

re: #401 MandyManners

Well, screw cannning beets. I gotta’ go get this spider bite seen about. The area around the bite is swollen and extremely sensitive and sore.

Have a great day, Lizards!

Good luck, SpiderMand.

404 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:12:25am

re: #401 MandyManners

Well, screw cannning beets. I gotta’ go get this spider bite seen about. The area around the bite is swollen and extremely sensitive and sore.

Have a great day, Lizards!

The Kid is going to be in for a few surprises after Mandy suddenly develops spider-based superpowers…

405 Gus  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:13:21am

re: #397 lawhawk

I know that. Bear in mind also that when the towers collapsed, the billowing smoke and pulverized towers (all the people, concrete, steel, and other materials in the towers) were sent all over Lower Manhattan, across into Brooklyn, and cast away as far as New Jersey and one could smell the fires for weeks after up past 14th Street depending on which way the wind blew.

In other words, if someone is claiming that because the Burlington Coat Factory was hit by debris from the tower somehow makes it off-limits to construction, the same can be said for any other buildings within the cloud of debris. That would seemingly push construction out of Lower Manhattan altogether, and out of CB1, which approved its siting.

Here’s the zoning map.

[Link: www.nyc.gov…]

406 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:14:38am

How To Remove Fluoridation From Your Water

407 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:14:59am

re: #406 Killgore Trout

How To Remove Fluoridation From Your Water

[Video]

…..

You can’t be serious.

408 darthstar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:15:01am

re: #404 oaktree

The Kid is going to be in for a few surprises after Mandy suddenly develops spider-based superpowers…

Rumor has it she already bites the heads off of her men after she mates.
//

409 deranged cat  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:15:27am

troll!

410 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:16:32am

re: #409 deranged cat

troll!

Yep. Freshly fileted, marinated with a hot chipotle Tex-Mex sauce, and grilled on the troll barbecue. Hungry?

411 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:17:03am

re: #407 thedopefishlives

You can’t be serious.

You don’t have a refrigerator bible?

412 deranged cat  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:17:40am

re: #410 thedopefishlives

hey. an hour til lunch. and i didnt have breakfast today. and oh god, i think im gonna go to the bbq pit for lunch, damn you.

413 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:18:20am

Glenn Beck Outrages The Right By Saying Gay Marriage Poses No Threat

Last week, Glenn Beck made news when he said that he didn’t think issues like abortion or gay marriage were all that important and didn’t pose a threat to the nation.

Needless to say, that is not sitting well with the Right and Beck is now coming under attack from people like David Kupelian, who are accusing him of abandoning core conservative values:

I tell you, there just isn’t enough popcorn to go around nowadays.

414 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:18:59am

re: #412 deranged cat

hey. an hour til lunch. and i didnt have breakfast today. and oh god, i think im gonna go to the bbq pit for lunch, damn you.

Actually, I’m making myself hungry just thinking about it. I could use some good barbecue.

415 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:19:41am

re: #406 Killgore Trout

How To Remove Fluoridation From Your Water

[Video]

Filtering water from Fluoridation?
Doesn’t she really want to filter the fluoridation from water?
So women’s uteruses won’t turn inside out, and homosexuals will cease to exist?
Is that for real?

416 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:19:55am

re: #405 Gus 802

Thanks for the zoning map. In fact, it looks like the group couldn’t find any other property zoned C6-4 in Lower Manhattan further away within CB1.

The other properties zoned C6-4 are across the street from City Hall outside the district or a parcel in Battery Park City diagonally across from Ground Zero - direct line of sight.

The C6-4 has a floor area ratio of 10 (medium bulk office building).

[Link: www.tenant.net…]

417 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:20:22am

re: #406 Killgore Trout

Precious bodily fluids!~

418 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:20:42am

Sr regarding Pelosi’s comment on the mosque….what is it about this whole topic that has turbocharged the stupid on both sides?

419 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:22:55am

re: #406 Killgore Trout

The stupid. It burns!!!!!!

420 Gus  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:25:40am

re: #416 lawhawk

Thanks for the zoning map. In fact, it looks like the group couldn’t find any other property zoned C6-4 in Lower Manhattan further away within CB1.

The other properties zoned C6-4 are across the street from City Hall outside the district or a parcel in Battery Park City diagonally across from Ground Zero - direct line of sight.

The C6-4 has a floor area ratio of 10 (medium bulk office building).

[Link: www.tenant.net…]

Yep, it’s in C6-4. Tried finding allowable uses but you know how difficult that can be sometimes.

You might be interested in this page:

WTC Redevelopment Recommendations

421 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:25:47am

re: #415 reine.de.tout

Is that for real?


No it’s a parody. I like how she doesn’t even mention the pistol in the fridge.

422 Sakublock  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:27:15am

re: #388 Charles

True but not all opposition are bigots. I have a good friend in south asia who has a mosque next door his house. He is the most accepting of people but he also complain. The masjid speakers wail the 5 times a day and his living room vibrates and thats not the only complaint. It was quite unsettling when I stayed there to hear it at 4:30 am and I did hear some mumbling about “Osama Bin Laden, Oh great warrior of Islam”. This was in a nice enough neighborhood of Jakarta and not Yemen. That said I am sure “Cordoba” will not be the same as this is 21st century Manhattan & I could personally care less that it is built in that area.

423 Sakublock  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:28:40am

re: #386 Gus 802

Your not getting annoying. Maybe you should look in the mirror Oh trash talking keyboard man.

424 Gus  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:29:06am

re: #416 lawhawk

Thanks for the zoning map. In fact, it looks like the group couldn’t find any other property zoned C6-4 in Lower Manhattan further away within CB1.

The other properties zoned C6-4 are across the street from City Hall outside the district or a parcel in Battery Park City diagonally across from Ground Zero - direct line of sight.

The C6-4 has a floor area ratio of 10 (medium bulk office building).

[Link: www.tenant.net…]

Also of note if you look at the last page at the WORLD TRADE CENTER
MEMORIAL AND REDEVELOPMENT PLAN
you’ll find a map that shows that Cordoba House is located outside of the Lower Manhattan Development Corporation World Trade Center Memorial and Cultural Program General Project Plan.

425 Gus  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:29:38am

re: #423 Sakublock

Go away little mind.

426 deranged cat  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:29:50am

re: #406 Killgore Trout

hotels have been putting the bible in the wrong place this whole time!
and oh god. that video was so awesome.

427 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:35:03am

re: #413 JasonA

Glenn Beck Outrages The Right By Saying Gay Marriage Poses No Threat

I tell you, there just isn’t enough popcorn to go around nowadays.

This is the problem with the conservative movement. They’re never satifised unless you’re totally with them. Pleasantly surprised that Beck said this.

428 rwdflynavy  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 11:22:51am

re: #406 Killgore Trout

How To Remove Fluoridation From Your Water

[Video]


Water, Shmater, How do I get it out of Children’s Ice Cream Mandrake?

429 jc717  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:58:04pm

re: #267 lawhawk

Good points.
I should have specified ‘on the federal level.’
There are plenty of decent GOP folks at the state level.
I’m no fan of the dems or corruption by any means. But, the GOP, at the national level, has truly gone off the deep end.

430 Super-ego  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:27:07pm

Ann is one smart cookie. She knows how to market her product.

This could be a ground breaking setting between some clashing ideas. I hope common ground is found.

431 swamprat  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:12:38pm

I just want to say that I am glad Ann Coulter has been found to be too sane for Joseph Farah in particular, and Whirl Nuts Daily in general. When it is too crazy to include Ann, it is far too crazy.


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