Florida GOP Candidate: ‘Build the Mosque Underground So We Can Walk On It As Christians’

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How crazy is the right wing’s anti-Muslim rhetoric getting?

This crazy.

Note that Ron McNeil is saying these things in a public school, and assuming that every student listening is a Christian.

PANAMA CITY — A Congressional candidate told local high school and middle school students Tuesday that Islam’s plan is to destroy the American way of life.

I’m totally against it. If I had my way, it would pretty much be over my dead body,” said Ron McNeil, a candidate for the U.S. House District 2 seat, who was referring to a controversial plan to build an Islamic center and mosque near Ground Zero in New York City. “That religion is against everything America stands for. If we have to let them build it, make them build it nine stories underground, so we can walk above it as citizens and Christians.

Some people in the audience applauded McNeil’s response. However, one student appeared upset and asked McNeil what gave him or the federal government the right to tell an American that they can’t build an institution.

This religion’s plan is to destroy our way of life,” McNeil said.

The student responded by saying he did not feel it was a Christian’s place to determine whether Islam is right or wrong.

It’s our place as Christians to stand up for the word of God and what the Bible says,” McNeil replied.

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270 comments
1 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:17:07pm

How can the GOP claim to be the party of national security when they’re completely dooming any chance we have in Afghanistan and Iraq with this naked show of bigotry and culture war?

This is exactly what Osama Bin Laden wants. The GOP is handing Muslim extremists the battle in the Middle East.

So fucking foolish.

2 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:18:35pm

“one student appeared up-set and asked McNeil what gave him or the federal government the right to tell an American that they can’t build an institution.”

This kid is going to be in a world of hurt for asking a very inconvenient, but honest, question that needed asked. Good for him.

3 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:19:06pm

“I’m totally against it. If I had my way, it would pretty much be over my dead body,” said Ron McNeil

Well then, if he’s willing to die, maybe I should reconsider my support for the Cordoba House.

An indication on how far this has sunk into the political discourse, I had NPR’s Talk of the nation tuned in while running errands this afternoon and the upcoming topic was “The Ground Zero Mosque”.
Heavy Sigh.

4 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:19:10pm

Remember people, the people who are calling opponents of the mosque bigots are overreacting. (sarcasm off)
Seriously, McNeil, Islam is a lot like your Christianity and you are acting exactly like those Muslim fanatics you profess to hate.

5 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:20:19pm

*face palm*.

How about the fact that most of the 9/11 memorial is being built below street level.

You’re going to be walking on it as (and you can fill in the blanks).

Do you believe how insane this all sounds?

6 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:20:43pm

This crosses the line… period.

7 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:20:45pm

Once again: the War on Terror is a metter of Islam vs. the West.

Once you learn to see it that way it is just like the war Between Oceania and Eurasia. Or Eastasia. Or whoever it happens to be this week.

8 darthstar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:21:01pm
If we have to let them build it, make them build it nine stories underground, so we can walk above it as citizens and Christians.

Boy, that’s one insecure motherfucker…

9 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:22:37pm

re: #8 darthstar

Boy, that’s one insecure motherfucker…

What about those of us that can’t walk anywhere as Christians, because, well, we’re not Christians?

This really clearly shows this isn’t just about the community center being built by Muslims— that’s what allows them to attack it, but that’s not what it’s all about. It’s that it’s not a Christian place. That’s why they hate it so damn much.

They won’t stop with the Muslims.

10 garhighway  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:22:49pm

re: #3 Jeff In Ohio

“I’m totally against it. If I had my way, it would pretty much be over my dead body,” said Ron McNeil

His offer is accepted.

11 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:23:04pm

re: #9 Obdicut

piggy back rides.

12 uncah91  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:23:11pm

re: #8 darthstar

Boy, that’s one insecure motherfucker…

Yeah, you’d think one story would far enough
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13 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:26:22pm

re: #8 darthstar

Boy, that’s one insecure motherfucker…

Insecure… no, that’s a religious racist… and thank all the stars in the universe that our founding fathers put the constitution between people like Ron McNeil and the rest of the country. They were smart enough to realize that a flourishing Republic could not be ruled by religious zealots or pie in the sky fairy tales.

14 McSpiff  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:26:31pm

re: #12 uncah91

Yeah, you’d think one story would far enough
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9 stories under? Maybe a hell reference?

15 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:26:50pm

He will regret this statement!!!
Won’t admit it…but regret it!!

16 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:27:11pm

I talked about this insane bullshit last night:

Using children to sell inequality, where have I seen this tactic before? Oh yeah, from the gays make inferior parents bigot brigade. Also the muslim woman who was denied becoming a foster parent because she wouldn’t allow pork in her home.

It’s not even a new tactic: Using children to sell inequality goes way, way back, and it didn’t end with Brown v. Board of Ed.

17 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:27:42pm

What even creepier is that he made these comments in a speech to school children. Ugh.

18 AntonSirius  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:27:59pm

re: #2 Bubblehead II

“one student appeared up-set and asked McNeil what gave him or the federal government the right to tell an American that they can’t build an institution.”

This kid is going to be in a world of hurt for asking a very inconvenient, but honest, question that needed asked. Good for him.

I hope that student’s family has a good home security system. And I hope his/her parents are proud as hell of them.

19 cliffster  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:28:19pm

he said this to kids? good lord

20 AntonSirius  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:28:58pm

re: #7 ralphieboy

Once again: the War on Terror is a metter of Islam vs. the West.

Once you learn to see it that way it is just like the war Between Oceania and Eurasia. Or Eastasia. Or whoever it happens to be this week.

Obamia.

21 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:29:56pm

re: #20 AntonSirius

Obamia.

Time for the Two Minutes’ Hate!

Goldstein! Goldstein! Goldstein!!!

22 Nimed  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:30:33pm

Jay Kay has foreseen this

I’m going deeper underground
There’s too much panic in this town

23 Kragar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:32:41pm

I’ve got an idea, next time a GOPer gets a great idea, he shuts the fuck up.

24 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:32:57pm

re: #13 Walter L. Newton

Hey Walter! Thanks so much for your feedback. At the risk of sounding like a suck up, your comments were right on target and gave me some really good ideas about where and what to build on.

25 TedStriker  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:33:10pm

re: #14 McSpiff

9 stories under? Maybe a hell reference?

Sounds like a Dante’s Inferno reference to me…dude is a schmuck and a putz.

26 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:33:21pm

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’ve got an idea, next time a GOPer gets a great idea, he shuts the fuck up.

Now that’s a great idea!

27 Kragar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:33:51pm

re: #25 talon_262

Sounds like a Dante’s Inferno reference to me…dude is a schmuck and a putz.

Do you really think the moron would understand, let alone make a Dante reference?

28 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:35:08pm

makes me proud of my atheism….

29 justaminute  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:35:10pm

I liked a comment that Ted Olsen made who is a 9/11 widower and former President Bush’s Solicitor General made:

“….we don’t want to turn an act of hate against us by extremists into an act of intolerance for people of religious faith or for political purposes either.”

Ted Olsen’s wife Susan was on one of the planes flown into the towers. Do you think they will attack him too?

30 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:35:22pm

That kid showed a lot of guts by asking him that question and then asking him again. Seriously people like McNeil are exactly like the governments that many of our ancestors emigrated to this country to escape from. People like McNeil would be happy to put all Muslims in jail if they could or forcibly convert them to Christianity.

31 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:35:25pm

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Do you really think the moron would understand, let alone make a Dante reference?

With any luck he’ll find himself chin deep in a sewage lagoon with all the other purveyors of hateful rhetoric forced to keep silent for risk of having to swallow their own bullshit.

32 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:36:32pm

re: #29 justaminute

I liked a comment that Ted Olsen made who is a 9/11 widower and former President Bush’s Solicitor General made:

“…we don’t want to turn an act of hate against us by extremists into an act of intolerance for people of religious faith or for political purposes either.”

Ted Olsen’s wife Susan was on one of the planes flown into the towers. Do you think they will attack him too?


Honestly at this point nothing would shock me.

33 Nick Schroeder  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:37:06pm

Heh, I posted this in the pages section this morning too.

What I really want to know is, what the hell is the significance of the whole ‘9 stories’ thing. Like, is subterranean depth being added to the subjective and ever-changing requisites for new construction of any buildings remotely associated with Islam?

Also, I’m sure the families of the Muslim victims who were senselessly murdered on 9/11 really appreciate all of this bigotry against both themselves and their dead kin. God bless America, indeed.

34 cliffster  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:37:28pm

re: #14 McSpiff

9 stories under? Maybe a hell reference?

actually, it’s pretty common knowledge that satan resides 169 stories underground.

35 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:38:04pm

I guess we should be thankful that this guy is only a candidate. Yet, the polls seem to have the district as a toss-up (moving from lean D). Ugh. His brand of crazy would rival that of Bachmann.

36 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:38:49pm

re: #5 lawhawk

*face palm*.

How about the fact that most of the 9/11 memorial is being built below street level.

You’re going to be walking on it as (and you can fill in the blanks).

Do you believe how insane this all sounds?

No, I can’t believe it.
It truly is insane - it started off insane; and it has, unbelievably, gotten worse. How can something be worse than insane? This is it.

37 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:39:08pm

I am stupefied.

For a politician, this issue is a trap. And there’s no need to “support” or “oppose” it. If one must say something, simply point out that this is a private organization building on private property, exercising their right to do so.

(While I’m not opposed to it, I can’t say I “support” it either. If someone gave me a choice of having at that location a Cupcake Bar, an Apple Store, a Super Target, or a Mosque, I may not choose “mosque.” However it’s not my land and not my choice. Why are conservatives getting mixed up in this landmine of an issue? You can’t win by taking a “stand.”)

Now the statement that Muslims want to destroy “our way of life” is frightening. I can say that, easily, about Christians, too. I meet many Christians who feel obligated to try to “save” me, as a Jew….

38 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:39:54pm

re: #29 justaminute

I liked a comment that Ted Olsen made who is a 9/11 widower and former President Bush’s Solicitor General made:

“…we don’t want to turn an act of hate against us by extremists into an act of intolerance for people of religious faith or for political purposes either.”

Ted Olsen’s wife Susan was on one of the planes flown into the towers. Do you think they will attack him too?

His wife was Barbara Olson, a fave on Fox News for a long time.

And yes, he will be attacked for his viewpoint.

39 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:39:59pm

re: #33 Nick Schroeder

9 planes/levels of hell. Could be referencing D&D.

40 Firstinla  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:40:41pm

Ron McNeil: just another turd floating to the top of the septic tank.

41 justaminute  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:41:57pm

re: #38 reine.de.tout

His wife was Barbara Olson, a fave on Fox News for a long time.

And yes, he will be attacked for his viewpoint.

Thanks, I don’t know where I got the “Susan” from.

42 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:42:19pm

re: #41 justaminute

Thanks, I don’t know where I got the “Susan” from.

Sounds just like “Barbara”.
LOL
just kiddin’ ya!

43 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:42:20pm

re: #33 Nick Schroeder

Heh, I posted this in the pages section this morning too.

What I really want to know is, what the hell is the significance of the whole ‘9 stories’ thing. Like, is subterranean depth being added to the subjective and ever-changing requisites for new construction of any buildings remotely associated with Islam?

Also, I’m sure the families of the Muslim victims who were senselessly murdered on 9/11 really appreciate all of this bigotry against both themselves and their dead kin. God bless America, indeed.

I think a lot of them don’t wanna admit that Muslims were killed on 9-11 since they see the victims of 9-11 as Christian martyrs. I’ve not once seen any of the opponents of this project bring up that Muslims were victims on 9-11 too. They really do seem to feel that every victim was a Christian hence their “You wouldn’t build so and so in such and such place.”

44 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:42:41pm
45 cronus  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:42:41pm

We haven’t seen anything yet. People like McNeil want a religious conflict. The mosque is the perfect cover for them to say what they’ve always wanted to say about Muslims.

46 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:43:00pm

re: #41 justaminute

Thanks, I don’t know where I got the “Susan” from.

Susan Olsen played Cindy Brady on the Brady Bunch. That could be it.

47 cliffster  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:43:29pm
48 subsailor68  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:43:35pm

re: #29 justaminute

I liked a comment that Ted Olsen made who is a 9/11 widower and former President Bush’s Solicitor General made:

“…we don’t want to turn an act of hate against us by extremists into an act of intolerance for people of religious faith or for political purposes either.”

Ted Olsen’s wife Susan was on one of the planes flown into the towers. Do you think they will attack him too?

Just a minor point, but Barbara Olsen was on the flight that hit the Pentagon, not one of the planes that hit the towers.

49 alexknyc  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:43:46pm

re: #41 justaminute

Thanks, I don’t know where I got the “Susan” from.

I think Susan Olsen played Cindy Brady.

50 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:44:12pm

re: #43 HappyWarrior

“They really do seem to feel that every victim was a Christian hence their “You wouldn’t build so and so in such and such place.”

Yes! They are coming dangerously close to idolatry by making the land under the WTC towers “sacred ground” that needs to be worshiped—in a proper, Christian way, of course.

51 Kragar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:44:14pm

re: #39 lawhawk

9 planes/levels of hell. Could be referencing D&D.

I miss the Planescape setting.

52 sagehen  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:44:16pm

re: #3 Jeff In Ohio

“I’m totally against it. If I had my way, it would pretty much be over my

53 Ericus58  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:44:43pm

Oh for Fuck’s sake…
Go already and join forces with Pam and company on their ‘heroic crusade’.

THIS kind of attitude will drive the rest of the moderates out of the GOP party if we can’t regain control. Period.

54 alexknyc  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:45:11pm

re: #46 HappyWarrior

Susan Olsen played Cindy Brady on the Brady Bunch. That could be it.

Beat me by 46 seconds.

55 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:45:25pm

Good thing it’s not volcano worshipers. After Krakatoa (or pick another large eruption) the hallowed ground would be everyone and no one would be allowed to build anything, anywhere…

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56 justaminute  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:45:38pm

There was a tweet going around yesterday that I thought was kind of interesting:

“In fairness, we’ve been building “ground zeros” near Muslim mosques in the Middle East since March 2003.”

57 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:45:39pm

re: #54 alexknyc

Beat me by 46 seconds.

Heh, that’s what I get for having a mother who’s a big Brady fan.

58 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:46:01pm

re: #53 Ericus58

Oh for Fuck’s sake…
Go already and join forces with Pam and company on their ‘heroic crusade’.

THIS kind of attitude will drive the rest of the moderates out of the GOP party if we can’t regain control. Period.


So what we have here is Militant Moderativism

59 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:46:19pm

We need an Edward R. Murrow moment.

60 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:47:02pm
“It’s our place as Christians to stand up for the word of God and what the Bible says,” McNeil replied.

Yep, and the Bible says ‘blessed are the pure at heart’ and ‘love thine enemies’. I’m standing up for that.

Base, this is Echo1. We have a Christian Fail at 3o’clock…requesting permission to deploy ordinance…over.

61 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:47:15pm

I guess it’s only triumphalism if the other guy does it?

62 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:48:02pm

re: #59 tnguitarist

We need an Edward R. Murrow moment.

I’d prefer a Monty Python moment with the fantastic appearance of a million guys in plate mail wielding halibut to knock some sense into a large number of idiots in a humorous manner all at the same time…

63 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:48:03pm

re: #1 Obdicut

How can the GOP claim to be the party of national security when they’re completely dooming any chance we have in Afghanistan and Iraq with this naked show of bigotry and culture war?

This is exactly what Osama Bin Laden wants. The GOP is handing Muslim extremists the battle in the Middle East.

So fucking foolish.

And after years of warning us that the enemy is watching us minutely for any sign of weakness, and immediately putting it to good use.

64 alexknyc  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:48:22pm

re: #59 tnguitarist

We need an Edward R. Murrow moment.

To get one of those, we’d first need an Edward R. Murrow and we’re all out of them.

65 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:48:29pm

re: #9 Obdicut

What about those of us that can’t walk anywhere as Christians, because, well, we’re not Christians?

This really clearly shows this isn’t just about the community center being built by Muslims— that’s what allows them to attack it, but that’s not what it’s all about. It’s that it’s not a Christian place. That’s why they hate it so damn much.

They won’t stop with the Muslims.

don’t make me evangelize your ass/

66 JamesWI  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:49:13pm

re: #29 justaminute

I liked a comment that Ted Olsen made who is a 9/11 widower and former President Bush’s Solicitor General made:

“…we don’t want to turn an act of hate against us by extremists into an act of intolerance for people of religious faith or for political purposes either.”

Ted Olsen’s wife Susan was on one of the planes flown into the towers. Do you think they will attack him too?

They already do attack him. With his part in the lawsuit against Prop 8, people at HotAir and other cesspools were making comments like “I bet Susan is looking down at him, shaking her head and wondering what happened to her husband.”

Spit.

67 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:49:15pm

re: #62 oaktree

I’d prefer a Monty Python moment with the fantastic appearance of a million guys in plate mail wielding halibut to knock some sense into a large number of idiots in a humorous manner all at the same time…

Albatross!!

68 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:49:47pm

re: #66 JamesWI

They already do attack him. With his part in the lawsuit against Prop 8, people at HotAir and other cesspools were making comments like “I bet SusanBarbara is looking down at him, shaking her head and wondering what happened to her husband.”

Spit.

69 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:49:53pm

re: #67 Aceofwhat?

Albatross!!

What flavor is it?

70 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:50:24pm

Ron Mcneil on basic Core American Values.

71 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:50:25pm
The student responded by saying he did not feel it was a Christian’s place to determine whether Islam is right or wrong.

From the mouths of babes.

Topically relevant Squidbillies quote ftw.

72 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:50:27pm

re: #19 cliffster

he said this to kids? good lord

I’d rather have Obama telling the kids to study hard.

Heck, I’d rather have Obama telling the kids to become Marxists.

73 JamesWI  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:51:01pm

re: #68 reine.de.tout

Ah, didn’t see the comments above where that was corrected.

74 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:51:07pm

re: #66 JamesWI

They already do attack him. With his part in the lawsuit against Prop 8, people at HotAir and other cesspools were making comments like “I bet Susan is looking down at him, shaking her head and wondering what happened to her husband.”

WOW

75 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:51:08pm

re: #69 oaktree

What flavor is it?

it’s fucking albatross flavor!

why is american light beer like making love in a canoe?

76 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:51:32pm

re: #29 justaminute

I liked a comment that Ted Olsen made who is a 9/11 widower and former President Bush’s Solicitor General made:

“…we don’t want to turn an act of hate against us by extremists into an act of intolerance for people of religious faith or for political purposes either.”

Ted Olsen’s wife Susan was on one of the planes flown into the towers. Do you think they will attack him too?

Probably. Being a 9/11 widow/er has actually never protected anyone from attacks by people who don’t like what they’ve got to say.

77 alexknyc  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:51:35pm

re: #75 Aceofwhat?

it’s fucking albatross flavor!

why is american light beer like making love in a canoe?

Because it’s fucking close to water!

78 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:51:55pm

re: #75 Aceofwhat?

it’s fucking albatross flavor!

why is american light beer like making love in a canoe?

You’re stealing my material, man…..

79 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:51:58pm

re: #75 Aceofwhat?

it’s fucking albatross flavor!

why is american light beer like making love in a canoe?

Because it’s f***ing close to water!

80 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:52:02pm

re: #75 Aceofwhat?

it’s fucking albatross flavor!

why is american light beer like making love in a canoe?

No matter how full it is, it will never fill the void.

81 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:52:06pm

Oh come on… Ron McNeil is just pandering.

82 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:52:40pm

re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist

Probably. Being a 9/11 widow/er has actually never protected anyone from attacks by people who don’t like what they’ve got to say.

Wasn’t there a 9/11 victim who went on o’Reilly’s show and was almost physically assaulted by O’Reilly?

83 Carlos Machina  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:52:45pm

It’s clear that in this guy McNeil’s mind, anyone who’s not a Christian is a “true American” like he is.

84 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:52:45pm

re: #66 JamesWI

They already do attack him. With his part in the lawsuit against Prop 8, people at HotAir and other cesspools were making comments like “I bet Susan is looking down at him, shaking her head and wondering what happened to her husband.”

Spit.

Seriously, that’s just pathetic. Yeah HotAir commentors. Barbara is looking down on her husband shaking her head because he’s defending the right of gay and lesbians to have equal marriage rights. What a bunch of assholes.

85 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:52:47pm

re: #78 tnguitarist

You’re stealing my material, man…

i’m not against sharing…

86 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:53:35pm

re: #84 HappyWarrior

Seriously, that’s just pathetic. Yeah HotAir commentors. Barbara is looking down on her husband shaking her head because he’s defending the right of gay and lesbians to have equal marriage rights. What a bunch of assholes.

You gotta wonder what makes a person who would say such a thing, how does one even come to that conclusion

87 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:54:01pm

re: #79 oaktree

Because it’s f***ing close to water!

good catch on the ‘light’. american microbrews have come a long way since then…just being fake but accurate here…

88 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:54:06pm

re: #82 WindUpBird

Wasn’t there a 9/11 victim who went on o’Reilly’s show and was almost physically assaulted by O’Reilly?

9/11 widower, I mean :P

89 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:54:31pm

re: #81 Walter L. Newton

See my #70. I think he honestly believes in what he said. Scary shit.

90 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:54:52pm

re: #86 WindUpBird

You gotta wonder what makes a person who would say such a thing, how does one even come to that conclusion

I don’t. Very little sense of empathy, and no thought beyond trying to score points for the agenda. In this case attacking via character assassination.

91 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:55:12pm

re: #87 Aceofwhat?

good catch on the ‘light’. american microbrews have come a long way since then…just being fake but accurate here…

“I almost got killed today and all you have for me is light beer?”
-Biff, Back to the future

92 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:55:20pm

re: #76 SanFranciscoZionist

Heh…. Jersey girls attacked for their views.
Debra Burlingame… Ted Olsen…

The list goes on…

Just because your loved one was murdered in the 9/11 attacks doesn’t give you moral authority on any issue. Sympathy? Yes. But not outweighing all else.

Note that for those folks who think that 9/11 victims speak with anything close to uniformity - Burlingame and Olsen are at opposite ends of the debate here.

93 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:55:48pm

This story really sums all of this up:

Islam Sign Disappears From Mosque Site

MYFOXNY.COM - A sign that said “Islam is welcome here” has mysteriously disappeared from the planned site of the Muslim mosque and cultural center near Ground Zero in Lower Manhattan.

It went missing on Tuesday morning, a short time after Fox 5 News crews videotaped the sign. It is unclear who had erected the sign and who removed it.

94 deranged cat  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:55:50pm

ugh. just got a tip that i’ll be losing my job. my last day is september 24.
My job is/was to write success stories about people who were helped by ARRA, myself included. sigh.

95 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:55:51pm

re: #87 Aceofwhat?

good catch on the ‘light’. american microbrews have come a long way since then…just being fake but accurate here…

True. American beer has made progress since the origination of that quip.

96 webevintage  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:56:54pm

WTH?
Now schools are going to have to start screening politicians before they come speak to make sure the crazy level is low.

(of course this is great, because some of those kids will now be life long Democrats “I can remember when I was in Jr. High and this nut-job Republican came and talked to our class…..”)

97 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:57:05pm

re: #95 oaktree

True. American beer has made progress since the origination of that quip.

Hair of the Dog ADAM

98 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:57:53pm

re: #90 oaktree

I don’t. Very little sense of empathy, and no thought beyond trying to score points for the agenda. In this case attacking via character assassination.

yes. and as a Christian, i’m horrified. i’d rather vote for a casual Buddhist, atheist, Hindu, etc then vote for this kind of christian.

99 webevintage  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:57:55pm

re: #2 Bubblehead II

“one student appeared up-set and asked McNeil what gave him or the federal government the right to tell an American that they can’t build an institution.”

This kid is going to be in a world of hurt for asking a very inconvenient, but honest, question that needed asked. Good for him.

I bet Malkin is already stalking his family as I write this….

100 PAUL_MACDONALD  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:58:04pm

re: #75 Aceofwhat?

it’s fucking albatross flavor!

why is american light beer like making love in a canoe?

That applies to nearly every American beer. You guys aren’t very good at beer makng.

101 alexknyc  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:58:19pm

re: #96 webevintage

WTH?
Now schools are going to have to start screening politicians before they come speak to make sure the crazy level is low.

(of course this is great, because some of those kids will now be life long Democrats “I can remember when I was in Jr. High and this nut-job Republican came and talked to our class…”)


It’s only great if you’re a cheerleader for the Democratic Party.

To the rest of us, it’s just plain nuts.

102 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:58:29pm

re: #81 Walter L. Newton

Oh come on… Ron McNeil is just pandering.

This thing has picked up such a head of steam, it could be hard to tell where anyone is coming from on this.

Now, I already know you won’t agree with me on this, but:

If it’s coming from a damned Republican embarrassment, I’m now going to make an assumption that it’s coming from a stance of bigotry, because so many of the R politicians these days seem to be taking their marching orders from Tea Parties, which have a record of being for or against some things based purely on bigotry and fear-mongering.

If it’s coming from a Dem, I’m going to assume an anti-Cordoba House stance from them is probably just pandering, an after-the-fact reaction.

Neither is the right thing to do, and in the end, it has the same effect (lunacy!).

But the motives did start at different places, I’m convinced.

103 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:58:32pm

re: #94 deranged cat

ugh. just got a tip that i’ll be losing my job. my last day is september 24.
My job is/was to write success stories about people who were helped by ARRA, myself included. sigh.

The irony is thick.

You should write about it.

104 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:58:36pm

re: #96 webevintage

WTH?
Now schools are going to have to start screening politicians before they come speak to make sure the crazy level is low.

(of course this is great, because some of those kids will now be life long Democrats “I can remember when I was in Jr. High and this nut-job Republican came and talked to our class…”)


Mom: “Who told you that honey, that’s a terrible thing to say!”

Student: “..um…a Republican candidate for congress.”

Mom “What the fuck?”

105 Jack Burton  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:58:37pm

re: #82 WindUpBird

Wasn’t there a 9/11 victim who went on o’Reilly’s show and was almost physically assaulted by O’Reilly?

Well if it was a “victim” then he/she would be a zombie and in need of a double tap to the head.

/

106 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:59:00pm

re: #94 deranged cat

ugh. just got a tip that i’ll be losing my job. my last day is september 24.
My job is/was to write success stories about people who were helped by ARRA, myself included. sigh.

condolences, and best of luck in your new search…

107 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:59:15pm

re: #99 webevintage

I bet Malkin is already stalking his family as I write this…

His family… or his countertops?

108 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 12:59:22pm

re: #100 PAUL_MACDONALD

That applies to nearly every American beer. You guys aren’t very good at beer makng.

ahaha are you really going to argue with me on world-class American craft beers? ;-)

109 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:00:03pm
“I’m totally against it. If I had my way, it would pretty much be over my dead body,”

If it were up to him, he’d become a martyr to defend his faith against the unbelievers. That’s SO AWESOME.

We spent HOW much blood and treasure trying to convince Muslims, particularly those in tribal regions of Afghanistan who don’t know fuck-all about the Western world other than what they’ve been told, to work with us because the Taliban and al-Qaeda are our common enemy. We’re the good guys, don’t listen to what they’ve told you. We’re not crusaders. This is not a religious war.

THEN our asses-in-top-hats back home go way out of their way to make it look like, sure ‘nuff, the Americans really ARE out to get us, using rhetoric virtually indistinguishable from that of Ayman al-Zawahiri and Mullah Omar.

110 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:00:08pm

re: #82 WindUpBird

Wasn’t there a 9/11 victim who went on o’Reilly’s show and was almost physically assaulted by O’Reilly?

Victim’s son I believe.

111 Amory Blaine  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:00:11pm

In the wide open. the GOP are anti-American.

112 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:00:14pm

re: #96 webevintage

WTH?
Now schools are going to have to start screening politicians before they come speak to make sure the crazy level is low.

(of course this is great, because some of those kids will now be life long Democrats “I can remember when I was in Jr. High and this nut-job Republican came and talked to our class…”)

If I were a school official, any schools under my jurisdiction would be off limits to politicians, period, unless all they were going to do is come read a pre-selected book to my class.

113 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:00:46pm

re: #100 PAUL_MACDONALD

That applies to nearly every American beer. You guys aren’t very good at beer makng.

we definitely weren’t. the beer industry, for a long time, was reminiscent of the american car industry in the 70s and 80s…just slap something together and ship it.

microbrews have saved us, although i’m definitely a Belgian beer homer.

114 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:00:51pm

re: #107 oaktree

His family… or his countertops?

Man, I missed the Malkin/countertops reference, and it will not die!

Whose countertops was she on about?

115 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:01:03pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

Victim’s son I believe.

yeah, it had something to do with him being flatly against the Iraq war and the guy had to be hidden and escorted out the back way by O’Reilly’s staff because O’Reilly was looking for him or something? Just nuts.

116 garhighway  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:01:08pm

re: #81 Walter L. Newton

Oh come on… Ron McNeil is just pandering.

So no matter how foul or evil a politician’s comments, we should just write it off with “just pandering”?

No accountability? Ever?

Or is there a threshold beyond which they get your interest?

How about if he writes a book called “My Struggle” in which he describes a plan to kill Muslims in great numbers? Would that be a sufficient tripwire?

117 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:01:27pm

re: #113 Aceofwhat?

we definitely weren’t. the beer industry, for a long time, was reminiscent of the american car industry in the 70s and 80s…just slap something together and ship it.

microbrews have saved us, although i’m definitely a Belgian beer homer.

Plenty of American-made Belgian styles! :D

118 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:02:08pm

re: #91 WindUpBird

“I almost got killed today and all you have for me is light beer?”
-Biff, Back to the future

“That’s about as funny as a screen door on a battleship”

-Biff

119 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:02:20pm

OT:
GM filing for the IPO that would in effect reduce the fed stake in the company to less than a majority level.

GM, 61 percent owned by the government, didn’t disclose the number of shares that will be offered or the price range in a statement filed today with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. The automaker will not sell any common shares itself while offering preferred shares alongside the IPO, the filing showed.

The U.S. Treasury will sell some of the common shares it owns in GM, according to the filing. The aim of the offering is to sell a fifth of the Treasury’s 304 million shares, people familiar with the IPO said in June, cutting the government’s stake to less than 50 percent.

GM may seek to raise as much as $16 billion in the IPO, a person familiar with the plans said last week, making it the second-largest in U.S. history behind Visa Inc.’s $19.7 billion deal in March 2008. Outgoing Chief Executive Officer Ed Whitacre has pushed to end government ownership of the Detroit-based company, which received a $50 billion taxpayer bailout following its bankruptcy in June 2009.

120 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:02:24pm

re: #115 WindUpBird

yeah, it had something to do with him being flatly against the Iraq war and the guy had to be hidden and escorted out the back way by O’Reilly’s staff because O’Reilly was looking for him or something? Just nuts.

Yeah yeah, that sounds right.

121 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:02:29pm

re: #112 reine.de.tout

If I were a school official, any schools under my jurisdiction would be off limits to politicians, period, unless all they were going to do is come read a pre-selected book to my class.

How sad that you can not depend on political candidates to extoll the virtues of the social compact, diversity, tolerance, and republican democracy, but instead have to fear what kind of bigoted drivel might leak from their pie holes.

122 garhighway  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:02:33pm

re: #100 PAUL_MACDONALD

That applies to nearly every American beer. You guys aren’t very good at beer makng.

Otter Creek Copper Ale.

Fabulous stuff. As good as any European amber ale.

123 PAUL_MACDONALD  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:02:39pm

re: #108 WindUpBird

ahaha are you really going to argue with me on world-class American craft beers? ;-)

I’m talking more along the lines of the popular, national brands that so many of your countrymen enjoy.

124 Food Lion  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:02:52pm

Ron McNeil is an idiot.

That is all.

125 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:03:37pm

re: #123 PAUL_MACDONALD

I’m talking more along the lines of the popular, national brands that so many of your countrymen enjoy.

Especially the onomonopeic brands like Blatz and Shlitz.

126 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:03:39pm

re: #121 Jeff In Ohio

How sad that you can not depend on political candidates to extoll the virtues of the social compact, diversity, tolerance, and republican democracy, but instead have to fear what kind of bigoted drivel might leak from their pie holes.

Oh, gee.
If that’s what you want from a speaker to your class, you need to book the local college football star. Seriously (well, that’s how it works here, anyhoo).

127 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:03:46pm

re: #70 Bubblehead II

He doesn’t seem to know what he’s talking about but one thing is sure, if he had his way, fundamentalism would rule the land.

He has no business speaking to school kids on an subject. Yet, thousands will no doubt vote for him ‘cause he’s a man of the Bible.

128 webevintage  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:03:47pm

re: #114 wrenchwench

Man, I missed the Malkin/countertops reference, and it will not die!

Whose countertops was she on about?

[Link: crooksandliars.com…]

129 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:04:34pm

re: #115 WindUpBird

This?

130 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:04:54pm

re: #117 WindUpBird

Plenty of American-made Belgian styles! :D

Which American craft beer If you know) most resembles either Old Speckled Hen or my fav, Sam Smith Nut Brown.

I swear they brew Old Speckled Hen with mescaline, 3 pints of that on an empty stomach and I’m tripping.

131 Amory Blaine  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:05:13pm

re: #100 PAUL_MACDONALD

That applies to nearly every American beer. You guys aren’t very good at beer makng.

See, it’s more important to put corn/rice sugar in the beer so the stockholders are happy than to produce good quality beer.

132 PAUL_MACDONALD  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:05:19pm

re: #113 Aceofwhat?

we definitely weren’t. the beer industry, for a long time, was reminiscent of the american car industry in the 70s and 80s…just slap something together and ship it.

microbrews have saved us, although i’m definitely a Belgian beer homer.

When I head south, I avoid all manner of “name” brands whenever possible. Certainly sex in canoe beers.

133 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:05:56pm

re: #123 PAUL_MACDONALD

I’m talking more along the lines of the popular, national brands that so many of your countrymen enjoy.

WHen my Irish inlaws come to town, they can’t drink enough Budweiser.

134 Amory Blaine  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:06:04pm

re: #130 Jeff In Ohio

Which American craft beer If you know) most resembles either Old Speckled Hen or my fav, Sam Smith Nut Brown.

I swear they brew Old Speckled Hen with mescaline, 3 pints of that on an empty stomach and I’m tripping.

Samuel Smith makes a dynamite oatmeal stout also.

135 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:06:33pm

re: #128 webevintage

[Link: crooksandliars.com…]

Thank you!

136 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:06:41pm

re: #132 PAUL_MACDONALD

When I head south, I avoid all manner of “name” brands whenever possible. Certainly sex in canoe beers.

that’s fair. certainly, no one goes north for the food! is there anything you folks don’t put mayonnaise on??

137 JamesWI  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:06:53pm

re: #84 HappyWarrior

Seriously, that’s just pathetic. Yeah HotAir commentors. Barbara is looking down on her husband shaking her head because he’s defending the right of gay and lesbians to have equal marriage rights. What a bunch of assholes.

It’s the Crazy Pam Gellar method of chastising people for not following their deceased loved ones beliefs (ala Ronald Reagan and his son), based on all the times she met … er, all the times she talked to … er, all the times she corresponded with … er, all the right wing blog posts she read about them. Yeah, that last one will do!

138 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:07:07pm

re: #136 Aceofwhat?

that’s fair. certainly, no one goes north for the food! is there anything you folks don’t put mayonnaise on??

Lutefisk

139 cliffster  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:07:24pm

“A real man doesn’t love a million different women, he loves one woman a million different ways”

140 What, me worry?  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:07:36pm

re: #124 Food Lion

Ron McNeil is an idiot.

That is all.

Actually, he’s worse than an idiot. He’s a bigot. What gives him the right to say such things against someone’s religion? Why isn’t this hate speech? It certainly causes incitement.

I think this guy and Dr. Laura are cut from the same cloth.

141 cliffster  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:07:52pm

re: #139 cliffster

how about loving ten different women 100,000 different ways?

142 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:07:53pm

re: #134 Amory Blaine

Samuel Smith makes a dynamite oatmeal stout also.

Yes, and the Porter is quite tasty. My stout is and will always be Guinness.

143 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:08:02pm

re: #139 cliffster

“A real man doesn’t love a million different women, he loves one woman a million different ways”

Exclusive promiscuity.

144 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:08:10pm

re: #136 Aceofwhat?

that’s fair. certainly, no one goes north for the food! is there anything you folks don’t put mayonnaise on??

Donuts.

145 webevintage  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:08:51pm

re: #136 Aceofwhat?

that’s fair. certainly, no one goes north for the food! is there anything you folks don’t put mayonnaise on??

mmmmmm mayo…….

146 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:08:57pm

re: #141 cliffster

how about loving ten different women 100,000 different ways?

Or 10w^5

147 webevintage  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:09:30pm

re: #135 wrenchwench

Thank you!

You are welcome.
Yeah, she’s evil….

148 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:09:40pm

re: #123 PAUL_MACDONALD

I’m talking more along the lines of the popular, national brands that so many of your countrymen enjoy.

Oh, mainstream canned stuff is garbage, and theres always going to be Americans who treat beer like it’s soda and just slug back the Coors light.

But my town actually buys more Widmer Hefeweizen than the mainstream canned stuff, Widmer Hef IS the popular brand, literally the biggest selling single beer in Portland.

I can walk down the street, not two blocks from my apartment, hit a convenience store with a good beer selection, and have access to over 100 Oregon, California, and Colorado micros, including 10% ABV double alts (Double Bastard, Rogue Double Dead Guy), an imperial stout (Old Rasputin), a couple of double-bocks, and a couple of Belgian-style trippels (Dicks, Mctarnahans, New BElgian Trippel, Golden Monkey) All from the US. I’m not really interested in what joe no-taste drinks, what I am interested in is that we have some of the best beer on earth. :D

149 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:10:01pm

re: #127 eclectic infidel

That what makes him so scary. People like him need to kept as far as way from any seat of power as can be. BTW, did you catch the remark from the other lonny in that article?

“Dianne Berryhill, an independent candidate for the Congressional seat now held by Rep. Allen Boyd, D-Monticello, also weighed in on the proposed mosque.

“If we were under Muslim law, you girls wouldn’t be sitting here showing any kind of skin. You would be in hot burqas and … you wouldn’t be sitting in school,” she said.”

Yeah baby, lets spread the fear.

150 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:10:47pm

re: #142 Jeff In Ohio

Yes, and the Porter is quite tasty. My stout is and will always be Guinness.


I’m all about the Rasputin for stouts

151 cronus  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:11:02pm

re: #119 lawhawk

OT:
GM filing for the IPO that would in effect reduce the fed stake in the company to less than a majority level.

So we’re going to allow a quasi-private entity to be publicly traded despite the rather obvious government implied guarantee? This rings a bell…………nope can’t place it. Well I’m sure this will work out just fine.

152 cliffster  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:11:03pm

re: #146 PT Barnum

Or 10w^5

Yeah, there’s a lot of permutations. I wonder which ones still qualify you as a real man?

153 Jack Burton  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:11:29pm

re: #141 cliffster

how about loving ten different women 100,000 different ways?

That’s like George Carlin saying “I’ve never f**ked a ten, but one night I f**ked five twos. I think that should count.”

154 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:11:50pm

re: #150 WindUpBird


I’m all about the Rasputin for stouts

I’ll have to look for it. Murphy’s a good stout. Only know of two places stateside I can find it tho. When I was in Galway last summer tho, I was drinking that stuff every night.

155 Jeff In Ohio  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:11:53pm

re: #150 WindUpBird

Don’t know that one. I’ll give a look for it.

156 PAUL_MACDONALD  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:12:33pm

re: #136 Aceofwhat?

that’s fair. certainly, no one goes north for the food! is there anything you folks don’t put mayonnaise on??

That sounds like you spent some time in La Belle Provance.

You’d think we’d be fatter, what with all the beer and mayo.

157 subsailor68  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:12:44pm

re: #119 lawhawk

OT:
GM filing for the IPO that would in effect reduce the fed stake in the company to less than a majority level.

Hi lawhawk! I noticed in the article that GM won’t be offering common shares, but will be offering preferred shares. Weren’t the preferred share holders the folks who got the short end of the stick during the Treasury/Union deal originally? I’m not sure I’d feel comfortable owning shares that could be smacked again if GM falters and the Feds step back in. Any thoughts?

158 Slap  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:12:56pm

re: #134 Amory Blaine

Hard to go wrong with ANY of the Lagunitas brewery’s products. They’re a great craft beer company.

Then, there’s this little link if you’re researching:

The Beer Advocate

159 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:13:55pm

re: #150 WindUpBird


I’m all about the Rasputin for stouts

although an imperial stout is a slightly different variant than a classic/irish stout…/nerd alert

160 cliffster  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:14:06pm

re: #153 ArchangelMichael

That’s like George Carlin saying “I’ve never f**ked a ten, but one night I f**ked five twos. I think that should count.”

that fucking cracked me up

161 webevintage  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:14:06pm

I hope someone got Ron McNeil spewing on video….

162 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:14:48pm

re: #130 Jeff In Ohio

Which American craft beer If you know) most resembles either Old Speckled Hen or my fav, Sam Smith Nut Brown.

I swear they brew Old Speckled Hen with mescaline, 3 pints of that on an empty stomach and I’m tripping.

Nut Browns…oh gosh, there’s a few really good nut browns in Oregon…

The 20” by Cascade Lakes is a good nut brown: [Link: www.cascadelakes.com…]

Rogue Hazlenut Brown is a richer beer, may be up your alley: [Link: beeradvocate.com…]

I know I’m forgetting a couple!

163 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:15:28pm

re: #155 Jeff In Ohio

Don’t know that one. I’ll give a look for it.

Easiest to find if you’re on the west coast, but you may be able to get it in a bottle shop/specialty beer store if you’re elsewhere in the country.

164 garhighway  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:15:39pm

re: #157 subsailor68

Hi lawhawk! I noticed in the article that GM won’t be offering common shares, but will be offering preferred shares. Weren’t the preferred share holders the folks who got the short end of the stick during the Treasury/Union deal originally? I’m not sure I’d feel comfortable owning shares that could be smacked again if GM falters and the Feds step back in. Any thoughts?

EVERYBODY on the ownership/debt side got boned in the original deal: common shareholders, preferred shareholders, and bondholders.

If you don’t think the new company is viable, you shouldn’t invest. But no risk means no reward.

165 Slap  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:15:46pm

re: #162 WindUpBird

Amen on anything brewed by Rogue.

Isn’t Portland considered the epicentre of the craft brew movement?

166 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:15:59pm

re: #157 subsailor68

It might dampen demand for the shares out of the box, but profit motivates people to buy and sell… and people will probably seek to buy shares.

Getting the government out of the company is a good thing. I just don’t see the feds (and thereby the taxpayers) recovering what they sunk into the company in the bailouts.

167 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:16:03pm

re: #156 PAUL_MACDONALD

That sounds like you spent some time in La Belle Provance.

You’d think we’d be fatter, what with all the beer and mayo.

nah, just ribbing.

Bob MacKenzie: My brother and I used to say that drownin’ in beer was like heaven, eh? Now he’s not here, and I’ve got two soakers… this isn’t heaven, this sucks.

168 PAUL_MACDONALD  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:17:04pm

re: #167 Aceofwhat?

Strange Brew rules.

169 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:17:24pm

re: #168 PAUL_MACDONALD

Strange Brew rules.

on that we are in full agreement…

170 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:17:24pm

re: #159 Aceofwhat?

although an imperial stout is a slightly different variant than a classic/irish stout…/nerd alert

Yeah, i know, but I just prefer imperials to irish stouts. :D

If I’m gonna have a more traditional stout, I’ll go with Rogue’s Shakespeare Oatmeal or Double Chocolate

171 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:17:34pm

re: #165 Slap

Amen on anything brewed by Rogue.

Isn’t Portland considered the epicentre of the craft brew movement?

Ground Zero Bocks?

172 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:17:35pm

re: #166 lawhawk

It might dampen demand for the shares out of the box, but profit motivates people to buy and sell… and people will probably seek to buy shares.

Getting the government out of the company is a good thing. I just don’t see the feds (and thereby the taxpayers) recovering what they sunk into the company in the bailouts.

Does the return on the investment include the taxes paid by all the people who would otherwise be put out of work and thus not paying any taxes?

173 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:18:39pm

re: #149 Bubblehead II


“If we were under Muslim law, you girls wouldn’t be sitting here showing any kind of skin. You would be in hot burqas and … you wouldn’t be sitting in school,” she said.”

Yeah baby, lets spread the fear.

I cannot imagine Sharia being implemented anywhere in American. Not in our courts, schools, or anywhere else. Our country is far too large, our government is stable and active (albeit poorly run, out of touch with reality it seems regardless of who’s in office), and well, it’s citizens wouldn’t stand for it. We love to eat, breathe, and sleep freedom 24/7.

174 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:18:56pm

re: #170 WindUpBird

Yeah, i know, but I just prefer imperials to irish stouts. :D

If I’m gonna have a more traditional stout, I’ll go with Rogue’s Shakespeare Oatmeal or Double Chocolate

stout isn’t my go-to, but when i do, i prefer Oatmeal stouts.

175 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:19:11pm

re: #165 Slap

Amen on anything brewed by Rogue.

Isn’t Portland considered the epicentre of the craft brew movement?

I’d say it is! Colorado also has a fantastic beer scene. and there’s a lot of stunning beer coming from NorCal and SoCal as well. Portland seems to have the most concentration of breweries, homebrewers and festivals and brewpubs, it’s just sort of What Everyone Does here.

176 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:20:16pm

If these clowns don’t want Sharia in place then maybe they should accept that separation of church and state is a good thing. It’s funny. The people who howl about Sharia the most are the same people who don’t respect the idea of seperating church and state. Well dumbasses you’re more likely to bring Sharia on if you ease that line. Not that we have to worry about Sharia law.

177 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:20:32pm

re: #174 Aceofwhat?

stout isn’t my go-to, but when i do, i prefer Oatmeal stouts.

My go-to these days if I want to get buzzed is probably American made belgian styles. Something that is a tripple style, but not overwhelmingly rich so I can drink more than one *_*

178 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:20:42pm
Some people in the audience applauded McNeil’s response. However, one student appeared upset and asked McNeil what gave him or the federal government the right to tell an American that they can’t build an institution.

“This religion’s plan is to destroy our way of life,” McNeil said.

The student responded by saying he did not feel it was a Christian’s place to determine whether Islam is right or wrong.

“It’s our place as Christians to stand up for the word of God and what the Bible says,” McNeil replied.

How in the hell did we manage to have this conversation in a public school auditorium with the student body?????

179 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:21:19pm

re: #177 WindUpBird

My go-to these days if I want to get buzzed is probably American made belgian styles. Something that is a tripple style, but not overwhelmingly rich so I can drink more than one *_*

you read my mind-

180 Nick Schroeder  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:21:28pm

re: #70 Bubblehead II

Ron Mcneil on basic Core American Values.

[Video]

Good Christ, this guy sounds drunk as shit.

181 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:21:54pm

re: #154 HappyWarrior

I’ll have to look for it. Murphy’s a good stout. Only know of two places stateside I can find it tho. When I was in Galway last summer tho, I was drinking that stuff every night.

I like Murphys! I brought some to a camping trip, actually, it’s at my local grocety store.

182 RadicalModerate  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:22:11pm

re: #173 eclectic infidel

I cannot imagine Sharia being implemented anywhere in American. Not in our courts, schools, or anywhere else. Our country is far too large, our government is stable and active (albeit poorly run, out of touch with reality it seems regardless of who’s in office), and well, it’s citizens wouldn’t stand for it. We love to eat, breathe, and sleep freedom 24/7.

If Sharia Law is implemented in the United States, it won’t be under that name, but whatever designation that the Christian Dominionists decide to name it. There’s far too many instances of it happening already for my comfort level.

183 Big Steve  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:22:15pm

lawhawk…..like your comment on your blog about the twin towers having their own zip code. I guess just about everyone on this topic can be insensitive.

184 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:22:22pm

re: #179 Aceofwhat?

you read my mind-

This stuff! it is DAAAANGEROUS: [Link: beeradvocate.com…]

185 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:23:38pm

re: #181 WindUpBird

I like Murphys! I brought some to a camping trip, actually, it’s at my local grocety store.

Cool that you can find at your local grocery store. I’ve only found it in two places since I got back from Ireland last summer: An Irish pub I go to while I go to school and a place in DC with an amazing beer selection. Had an Al-Raza (Lebanese) and Żywiec (Polish) when I was there.

186 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:24:21pm

re: #185 HappyWarrior

Cool that you can find at your local grocery store. I’ve only found it in two places since I got back from Ireland last summer: An Irish pub I go to while I go to school and a place in DC with an amazing beer selection. Had an Al-Raza (Lebanese) and Żywiec (Polish) when I was there.

Come to Portland, you’ll see a lot of beer and then drink a lot of beer *_*

187 Bubblehead II  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:24:47pm

re: #173 eclectic infidel

Agreed that it will never happen. The only reason it was brought up was to stoke the fear of Islam.

188 Tzara  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:24:52pm

The right has been saying stuff like this for a long time now; behind closed doors and on talk radio. The Cordoba House proposal has merely provoked them to say what they really feel out in the open.

Totally agree with Obdicut, this is what Bin Laden wants. Way to play into his hands R-wing.

These people who claim to speak for Christians should really be reading Luke 6:27.

189 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:25:36pm

re: #184 WindUpBird

This stuff! it is DAAANGEROUS: [Link: beeradvocate.com…]

A tripel! Yeah, those sneak up on you and *pow*…is this an abbaye style or a trappist style tripel?

190 garhighway  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:26:15pm

re: #188 Tzara

The right has been saying stuff like this for a long time now; behind closed doors and on talk radio. The Cordoba House proposal has merely provoked them to say what they really feel out in the open.

Totally agree with Obdicut, this is what Bin Laden wants. Way to play into his hands R-wing.

These people who claim to speak for Christians should really be reading Luke 6:27.

Speaking of talk radio, “Dr”. Laura is giving up her radio show at the end of the year.

191 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:26:15pm

re: #162 WindUpBird

I don’t drink much beer, but when I do I want a really good one. Give me a suggestion. I don’t like stouts or anything too hoppy. I tend to lean toward the reds and nuttier beers.

192 celticdragon  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:26:21pm

re: #29 justaminute

I liked a comment that Ted Olsen made who is a 9/11 widower and former President Bush’s Solicitor General made:

“…we don’t want to turn an act of hate against us by extremists into an act of intolerance for people of religious faith or for political purposes either.”

Ted Olsen’s wife Susan was on one of the planes flown into the towers. Do you think they will attack him too?

Yes. Without a doubt.

The modern right has no shame, empathy or twinge of conscience. There is only tribal grievance warfare, and Ted Olsen “went RINO” the moment he helped GLBT people wrt the prop matter.

I have no doubt that somebody at Hot Air or at Malkin will accuse Olsen of cheating on his wife with a gay man just to smear him for trying to remind us that “…we don’t want to turn an act of hate against us by extremists into an act of intolerance for people of religious faith or for political purposes either.”

193 garhighway  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:27:12pm

Smithwick’s is good stuff. It’s an Irish Ale from the Guinness people.

194 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:29:26pm

re: #189 Aceofwhat?

A tripel! Yeah, those sneak up on you and *pow*…is this an abbaye style or a trappist style tripel?

It’s a trappist tripple. It’s my favorite American trippel that I can regularly find, Oregon does some good ones but they’re always some seasonal out-for-one-month thing.

195 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:29:31pm

re: #182 RadicalModerate

If Sharia Law is implemented in the United States, it won’t be under that name, but whatever designation that the Christian Dominionists decide to name it. There’s far too many instances of it happening already for my comfort level.

Like blue laws, prayer in school, teaching creationism, its huge influence on gay rights, abortion rights, and its hostility towards diversity?

196 I Am Kreniigh!  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:30:24pm

I wish people would talk more about the innocent Muslim victims of the WTC attack. There are by most accounts at least several dozen who were in the buildings and died.

What’s left of their ashes still permeates Ground Zero and the surrounding blocks. HOW DARE anyone claim that that ground is “hallowed” for Christians only? Thinking about it this way makes me furious.

I got into an argument on Facebook with someone about how far away from GZ a mosque should be allowed. 560 feet? One mile? Well how about this?
- All memorials at Ground Zero for Christians only; Muslim memorials must be at least one mile away.
- No Muslim mourners within a mile.

I wish I could say that these ideas are too far out for someone to take seriously, but at this point nothing coming out of the mouths of these people is too sick and anti-American to surprise me.

197 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:31:11pm

re: #193 garhighway

Smithwick’s is good stuff. It’s an Irish Ale from the Guinness people.

Love me some Smithwicks. I always promise myself at least one Irish brew when I go out drinking. Can’t help it. It’s the Irish in me.

198 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:33:12pm

re: #191 tnguitarist

I don’t drink much beer, but when I do I want a really good one. Give me a suggestion. I don’t like stouts or anything too hoppy. I tend to lean toward the reds and nuttier beers.

A lot of my favorites are probably not so easy to find in Tennessee, but if you can find New Belgium Fat Tire, that’s a good nutty amber, Widmer Drop Top is a good balanced amber, Ninkasi Red is a great red. If you can find the Rogue Hazlenut Brown, you’ll probably be in heaven :D

If you can’t find any of those, Newcastle is a british brown, that’s not bad.

I did a googles, I guess Nashville’s got a scene: [Link: www.classiccitybrew.com…]

199 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:33:37pm

re: #197 HappyWarrior

Love me some Smithwicks. I always promise myself at least one Irish brew when I go out drinking. Can’t help it. It’s the Irish in me.

We don’t get that around here so much, but it is good, I always find it on tap when I’m on the east coast.

200 Kragar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:34:04pm

Fidel Castro fascinated by book on Bilderberg Club

Castro — who had an inside seat to the Cold War — has long expressed suspicions of back-room plots. He has raised questions about whether the Sept. 11 attacks were orchestrated by the U.S. government to stoke military budgets and, more recently suggested that Washington was behind the March sinking of a South Korean ship blamed on North Korea.

Estulin’s own website suggests that the 9/11 attacks were likely caused by small nuclear devices, and that the CIA and drug traffickers were behind the 1988 downing of a jetliner over Lockerbie, Scotland, that was blamed on Libya.

The Bilderberg conspiracy theory has been popular on both extremes of the ideological spectrum, even if they disagree on just what the group wants to do. Leftists accuse the group of promoting capitalist domination, while some right-wing websites argue that the Bilderberg club has imposed Barack Obama on the United States to advance socialism.

201 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:34:24pm

re: #195 eclectic infidel

Like blue laws, prayer in school, teaching creationism, its huge influence on gay rights, abortion rights, and its hostility towards diversity?

GODDAMN BLUE LAWS

*twitchrageseizure*

202 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:34:41pm

re: #192 celticdragon

I have no doubt that somebody at Hot Air or at Malkin will accuse Olsen of cheating on his wife with a gay man just to smear him for trying to remind us that “…we don’t want to turn an act of hate against us by extremists into an act of intolerance for people of religious faith or for political purposes either.”

Theory being that if those terrorists hadn’t taken away his wife’s Republican hot-pocket away from him he never would have engaged in such hot and sweaty queer litigation.

203 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:35:07pm

It’s a witch hunt…

204 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:35:25pm

re: #202 goddamnedfrank

Theory being that if those terrorists hadn’t taken away his wife’s Republican hot-pocket away from him he never would have engaged in such hot and sweaty queer litigation.

REPUBLICAN HOT-POCKET!!!

*falls over*

205 darthstar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:35:27pm
206 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:36:04pm

re: #203 lawhawk

Moving Pictures always gets updings :D

207 Amory Blaine  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:36:16pm

re: #168 PAUL_MACDONALD

Strange Brew rules.

How’d you get that mouse in the bottle eh?

208 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:36:50pm

re: #207 Amory Blaine

How’d you get that mouse in the bottle eh?

Radiation has made me an enemy of civilzation!

Take off you hoser!

209 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:36:56pm

re: #184 WindUpBird

I wouldn’t trust any liquid that employs the words “monkey” and “golden” in close proximity to each other.

Now, this, on the other hand….

Image: brauerei.spezialitaeten.eisbock.produkt.01.jpg

210 Kragar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:37:03pm

Muslims in Manhattan say they need a place to pray

Stuck in the middle are Muslims who work in downtown Manhattan and need a place for daily prayers.

“You know how many Muslims are in this area? On Friday the street used to be packed, and we had a pass from the police to block the streets,” said Saad Madaha, 32, a consultant originally from Ghana who prays at Masjid Manhattan in a narrow basement beneath a night club.

“I would like to see a mosque that looks more like a mosque. I would like to go and pray and have full concentration in my prayers and not have music bashing me in my head.”

The Masjid Manhattan, one of two mosques in the area, is four blocks from the World Trade Center but has gone largely unnoticed. A door with a modest sign “MASJID” — Arabic for mosque — leads from the sidewalk to the prayer space below.

The proposed Cordoba House, which has won local government approval, would not look like a traditional mosque either. The 13-story glass and steel tower would have straight lines, 90 degree angles and no crescent moon and star on the facade.

211 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:39:14pm

re: #191 tnguitarist

I don’t drink much beer, but when I do I want a really good one. Give me a suggestion. I don’t like stouts or anything too hoppy. I tend to lean toward the reds and nuttier beers.

during the summer, i love me some Hoegaarden. it’s a witbier, made with a mixture of wheat and barley, and more often than not it’s available in a grocery store that has a decent beer selection (not all do, but there’s a Publix in my vicinity that carries it.)

212 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:39:19pm

re: #209 negativ

I wouldn’t trust any liquid that employs the words “monkey” and “golden” in close proximity to each other.

Now, this, on the other hand

Image: brauerei.spezialitaeten.eisbock.produkt.01.jpg

Trust me, the Victory Tripple is no joke, world class tripple, it’s awesome


And dude, I am the biggest fan of Aventinus you’ll ever find :D The Eisbock is at my aforementioned beer-frenzy convenicence store, but I tend to drink the “normal” Aventinus as an after dinner thing.

213 tnguitarist  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:40:11pm

re: #198 WindUpBird

A lot of my favorites are probably not so easy to find in Tennessee, but if you can find New Belgium Fat Tire, that’s a good nutty amber, Widmer Drop Top is a good balanced amber, Ninkasi Red is a great red. If you can find the Rogue Hazlenut Brown, you’ll probably be in heaven :D

If you can’t find any of those, Newcastle is a british brown, that’s not bad.

I did a googles, I guess Nashville’s got a scene: [Link: www.classiccitybrew.com…]

I’m an hour from Nashville, but my best friend owns a bar, so he can get pretty much anything. He carries pretty much the whole Fat Tire line, but only in bottles(I’m picky, I prefer draft). Newcastle is one of my favorites if it’s draft. I’ll search for the others.

214 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:40:47pm

re: #211 Aceofwhat?

during the summer, i love me some Hoegaarden. it’s a witbier, made with a mixture of wheat and barley, and more often than not it’s available in a grocery store that has a decent beer selection (not all do, but there’s a Publix in my vicinity that carries it.)

Hooegarden is greeat! I got hooked on Hoegaarden in europe, so good

There’s a New Belgium witbier called Mothership Wit which has a really distinctive slightly herbal vibe I really like, if you dig Hoegaarden, you should like it.

215 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:41:20pm

re: #208 WindUpBird

Radiation has made me an enemy of civilzation!

Take off you hoser!

I am your father, Luke. Give in to the dark side of the force, you knob.

216 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:41:46pm

re: #191 tnguitarist
Cutthroat Pale Ale?

217 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:42:12pm

re: #214 WindUpBird

Hooegarden is greeat! I got hooked on Hoegaarden in europe, so good

There’s a New Belgium witbier called Mothership Wit which has a really distinctive slightly herbal vibe I really like, if you dig Hoegaarden, you should like it.

thanks…i’ll look for it.

218 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:42:52pm

re: #213 tnguitarist

I’m an hour from Nashville, but my best friend owns a bar, so he can get pretty much anything. He carries pretty much the whole Fat Tire line, but only in bottles(I’m picky, I prefer draft). Newcastle is one of my favorites if it’s draft. I’ll search for the others.

That Rogue hazlenut brown, that’s my favorite brown. *_*

I ADORE Dogfish Head’s Indian Brown, but it might be a little hoppy for your tastes? I consider it balanced for what I like, but it does have a hop presence. It’s been a while since I’ve had it.

219 Aceofwhat?  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:43:18pm

alrighty, i need to finish this dumb report so that i can take off and hit the gym. see you knobs later-

220 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:43:27pm

I want my star trek replicator so I can just internet beer to people

221 Political Atheist  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:44:57pm

I need new glasses it looked just like this to me. Hmm. I think my cat just ripped off my user name and password.

If I had mah wai, it wud pritee mutch be ovar mah ded body,” sed ron mcneil, candidate 4 da u.s. houz district 2 seat, hoo wuz referrin 2 controversial plan 2 build an islamic sentr an mosque near ground zero in new york city. “Dat religion iz against evrythin america standz 4. if we has 2 let them build it, mak them build it 9 storiez underground, so we can walk aboov it as citizens an christianz.”

“Dis religion’s plan iz 2 destroy r wai ov life,”

222 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:45:49pm

Okay what in the hell

PAT BUCHANAN JUST CALLED OUT GINGRICH FOR GOING TOO FAR

I don’t even know any more man


I don’t even

223 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:46:50pm

re: #222 WindUpBird

Dogs sleeping with cats?
Black is white…..

224 Kragar  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:47:22pm

re: #222 WindUpBird

Okay what in the hell

PAT BUCHANAN JUST CALLED OUT GINGRICH FOR GOING TOO FAR

I don’t even know any more man


I don’t even

Of course Pat would object to calling someone Nazis like it was a bad thing. Pat loves Nazis.

225 sakublock  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:47:55pm

re: #210 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #37 reuven

I’m agree and Apple Store is a much better idea.

226 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:48:13pm

re: #222 WindUpBird

Okay what in the hell

PAT BUCHANAN JUST CALLED OUT GINGRICH FOR GOING TOO FAR

I don’t even know any more man

I don’t even

Pat Buchanan calling out Newt Gingrich…

Stop the world, I wanna get off.

227 rwdflynavy  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:49:24pm

re: #198 WindUpBird

A lot of my favorites are probably not so easy to find in Tennessee, but if you can find New Belgium Fat Tire, that’s a good nutty amber, Widmer Drop Top is a good balanced amber, Ninkasi Red is a great red. If you can find the Rogue Hazlenut Brown, you’ll probably be in heaven :D

If you can’t find any of those, Newcastle is a british brown, that’s not bad.

I did a googles, I guess Nashville’s got a scene: [Link: www.classiccitybrew.com…]

Love Fat Tire when I can get it. They sold some of their proprietary yeast a couple years ago and I made a clone for a party that was a huge hit. Yummy!!!

WUB, Your description of the beers available in Portland brought a tear to my eye. Wish we had such availability here in the DC area.

228 Political Atheist  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:49:42pm

re: #223 reloadingisnotahobby

It’s Wonderland, now where is Alice? I saw the Rabbit already.

229 Max  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:50:54pm
230 RadicalModerate  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:51:19pm

re: #222 WindUpBird

Okay what in the hell

PAT BUCHANAN JUST CALLED OUT GINGRICH FOR GOING TOO FAR

I don’t even know any more man

I don’t even

Well, it appears that Pat is taking issue with Newt Gingrich comparing the Cordoba House developers to Nazis.

Pat Buchanan, the MSNBC commentator who’s no stranger to controversial statements, said today that he thinks Newt Gingrich went “too far” when he compared the developers behind the Cordoba House Muslim community center to Nazis. It’s “absurd,” said Buchanan. “There is no valid comparison there.”

And if there’s anyone who knows about Nazis, it’s Pat Buchanan.

Pat Buchanan and the Holocaust

231 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:51:29pm

re: #229 Max D. Reinhardt

Howard Dean: Let’s Compromise on Religious Freedom And Move the Mosque.

Of all people.

Heh always knew I didn’t like Dean.

232 TedStriker  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:52:03pm

re: #226 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Pat Buchanan calling out Newt Gingrich…

Stop the world, I wanna get off.

I think Pat just hates competition…

233 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:53:51pm

Seriously Buchanan is calling you out for going too far Newt. Think and reflect about that.

234 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:57:11pm

re: #229 Max D. Reinhardt

Howard Dean: Let’s Compromise on Religious Freedom And Move the Mosque.

Of all people.

GUHHHH *facepalm*

235 Max  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:57:18pm

re: #233 HappyWarrior

Seriously Buchanan is calling you out for going too far Newt. Think and reflect about that.

He won’t.

236 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 1:59:40pm

re: #227 rwdflynavy

Love Fat Tire when I can get it. They sold some of their proprietary yeast a couple years ago and I made a clone for a party that was a huge hit. Yummy!!!

WUB, Your description of the beers available in Portland brought a tear to my eye. Wish we had such availability here in the DC area.

If you can get the New Belgium 2 Below during winter, it’s their winter ale, what really tastes like is twice the ingredients of Fat Tire in the same about of beer. it’s Like Fat Tire Prime. :D

One of my best friends is in the DC area, works for a contractor for the NSA as a math genius, and he’s as big a beer fiend as I am. He pretty much has decided to move out here once he’s able to. He also hates DC traffic and has a 415 hp car, which probably contributes to his wanderlust. :D

237 rwdflynavy  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:01:06pm

re: #236 WindUpBird

If you can get the New Belgium 2 Below during winter, it’s their winter ale, what really tastes like is twice the ingredients of Fat Tire in the same about of beer. it’s Like Fat Tire Prime. :D

One of my best friends is in the DC area, works for a contractor for the NSA as a math genius, and he’s as big a beer fiend as I am. He pretty much has decided to move out here once he’s able to. He also hates DC traffic and has a 415 hp car, which probably contributes to his wanderlust. :D

My brother lives south of Denver, I hate him.
//

238 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:01:20pm

re: #229 Max D. Reinhardt

Howard Dean: Let’s Compromise on Religious Freedom And Move the Mosque.

Of all people.

seriously, if you want to see how honest to God full on religious persecution starts in America, we’re seeing it now. This is fucked up.

239 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:01:39pm

re: #237 rwdflynavy

My brother lives south of Denver, I hate him.
//

Probably just rolls on up to the GABF every year, too!

240 rwdflynavy  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:01:54pm

re: #238 WindUpBird

seriously, if you want to see how honest to God full on religious persecution starts in America, we’re seeing it now. This is fucked up.


obvious panderer is obvious

241 rwdflynavy  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:02:23pm

re: #239 WindUpBird

Probably just rolls on up to the GABF every year, too!


plus he is a hasher, “a drinking club with a running problem”.

242 Shiplord Kirel  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:02:30pm

re: #38 reine.de.tout

His wife was Barbara Olson, a fave on Fox News for a long time.

And yes, he will be attacked for his viewpoint.

Yep. Here it is.
“Ted has went to the other side.”

243 Sakublock  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:03:47pm

re: #231 HappyWarrior

Does that make him a racist, bigot “Islamophobe” right winger?

244 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:03:53pm

re: #240 rwdflynavy

obvious panderer is obvious

I can see Reid pandering, I’ve never been a fan of him

Dean I totally expected better from

My opinion of Obama has gone UP because of all this, and my opinion of the Democratic party is going down :/

245 Nimed  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:05:03pm

re: #229 Max D. Reinhardt

Howard Dean: Let’s Compromise on Religious Freedom And Move the Mosque.

Of all people.

re: #234 WindUpBird

GUHHH *facepalm*

I hope Walter isn’t reading this.

246 blueraven  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:05:26pm

Just when you think it cant get any crazier…it does.

I am beginning to think maybe we are a downright mean country.
Where are the good guys? besides here at LGF, and a few willing to speak out against this bigotry?

I saw Geller on CNN last night, she changed her reasons for protests about 5 times in 5 minutes
“its the location”
“OK its not really the location per se; its actually hallowed ground;it got hit by a piece of one of the planes.”
“I do not hate Muslims”
“Islam is evil”
“Imam is evil”

247 rwdflynavy  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:05:26pm

re: #244 WindUpBird

I can see Reid pandering, I’ve never been a fan of him

Dean I totally expected better from

My opinion of Obama has gone UP because of all this, and my opinion of the Democratic party is going down :/

Yep. Speaking of that DC traffic, time for me to join the fray. Later Lizards!

248 Political Atheist  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:05:26pm

re: #235 Max D. Reinhardt

Newt and Buchanan (all the anti mosque people) have both lost any right to pine for adhering strictly to the constitution. Let us all remember this the very next time they yip away about it. YouTube is an unforgiving bitch. Heh.

re: #242 Shiplord Kirel
And nobody at the Pentagon ever wailed for that tiny Muslim Mosque in the Pentagon to be closed did they?

249 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:05:36pm

re: #243 Sakublock

Does that make him a racist, bigot “Islamophobe” right winger?

I would say “let’s move the mosque” does not quote approach the same level as “let’s bury the mosque underground walk on the mosque as christians and grind our boots into the face of the disgusting brown fuckers get them out of America”.

But it still sucks. It’s still a bigoted position. It’s still weak, it’s still caving in to psychos.

250 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:05:51pm

re: #245 Nimed

re: #234 WindUpBird

I hope Walter isn’t reading this.

DIER YRRAH!

251 RadicalModerate  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:06:30pm

At one time this might have been stupid to ask, but given the insane path that the modern day Republicans have taken, it might actually be a valid question nowadays:
At what point of time will the Republican Party welcome David Duke back into their fold, after disavowing any relationship not 20 years ago? With the full-stop bigotry that makes up the current party, there are very few differing opinions between them nowadays.

252 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:06:31pm

re: #246 blueraven

Just when you think it cant get any crazier…it does.

I am beginning to think maybe we are a downright mean country.
Where are the good guys? besides here at LGF, and a few willing to speak out against this bigotry?

I’ve always thought this. :P

253 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:06:54pm

re: #243 Sakublock

Does that make him a racist, bigot “Islamophobe” right winger?

He’s wrong and as is Reid but they’re not on the same level to me as people like Gingrich who are comparing the Imam to the Nazis. There is such thing as nuance ya know.

254 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:07:34pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

He’s wrong and as is Reid but they’re not on the same level to me as people like Gingrich who are comparing the Imam to the Nazis. There is such thing as nuance ya know.

One mug of stupid is not equivalent to a firehose of stupid :D

255 Nimed  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:07:57pm

re: #244 WindUpBird

I can see Reid pandering, I’ve never been a fan of him

Dean I totally expected better from

My opinion of Obama has gone UP because of all this, and my opinion of the Democratic party is going down :/

It’s karma. I didn’t say anything, but yesterday I was totally thinking “Is this for real? How could so many people expect better from fucking John Bolton?”. I bet you were too. :p

256 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:12:08pm

re: #253 HappyWarrior

He’s wrong and as is Reid but they’re not on the same level to me as people like Gingrich who are comparing the Imam to the Nazis. There is such thing as nuance ya know.

There are probably lots of Holocaust survivors still around with memories of the Bad Old Days. I wonder how many of them would consider it an apt comparison?

257 Lidane  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:15:17pm

re: #5 lawhawk

Do you believe how insane this all sounds?

I wish I could say no, I can’t believe it. However, considering that the GOP and many on the right have lost their goddamn minds since 2008, I’m not surprised at all. It’s pretty much par for the course these days.

258 Slap  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:15:21pm

re: #213 tnguitarist

It’s not domestic, but seems to be more widely available lately…plus, even non-beer-drinking Lizards would appreciate the label, if nothing else….

Holy Grailale

It’s a nice rich amber, hint of malty sweetness.

Besides — how could an ale tempered over burning witches be anything but good?

259 CuriousLurker  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:16:04pm

re: #229 Max D. Reinhardt

Howard Dean: Let’s Compromise on Religious Freedom And Move the Mosque.

Of all people.

“…we have to understand that it is a real affront to people who lost their lives, including Muslims.”

I’m sorry, how is it an affront to the Muslims who lost their lives?

“…but there’s no point in starting off trying to do something good if it’s going to meet an enormous amount or resistance…”

So, the abolition of slavery, women’s right to vote, the civil rights movement, all those things should have been abandoned because they met with an enormous amount of resistance?

W. T. F.

How about we compromise on Howard Dean’s right to free speech while we’re at it?

260 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:16:54pm

Sure, as long as I get to put a shrine to Jesus in a porta-potti.
Idiot.

261 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:18:09pm

re: #229 Max D. Reinhardt

Howard Dean: Let’s Compromise on Religious Freedom And Move the Mosque.

Of all people.

It just shows how many Americans are bigoted towards Islam.

262 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:19:36pm

I guess Karl Rove wants some attention, too:

Rove equates Park 51 with Neo-Nazi meeting at a Jewish hotel


ROVE: The vast majority of the American people believe there is freedom of religion in our Constitution and that right of freedom of expression would be best exercised by not building it here. Look, in that same first amendment there’s a right to freedom of speech. Who believes that skinheads should show up at a Black sorority convention and scream bigoted remarks? Who believes there’s a right of freedom of assembly. Who believes Neo-Nazis should show up at the B’nai B’rith hotel and have their meeting in the next meeting room? There are rights everyone has that we think it’d be prudent to not exercise them at certain times.
263 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:25:50pm

re: #262 negativ

I guess Karl Rove wants some attention, too:

Rove equates Park 51 with Neo-Nazi meeting at a Jewish hotel

I firmly believe in the freedom of speech.
I just think it would be best exercised by Rove keeping his mouth shut.
/Wingnut Logic

264 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:42:13pm

re: #133 Jeff In Ohio

WHen my Irish inlaws come to town, they can’t drink enough Budweiser.

It’s pricier in Europe, IIRC.

I can’t abide the stuff, but to each his own.

265 Mentis Fugit  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:54:29pm

re: #258 Slap

It’s not domestic, but seems to be more widely available lately…plus, even non-beer-drinking Lizards would appreciate the label, if nothing else…

Holy Grailale

It’s a nice rich amber, hint of malty sweetness.

Besides — how could an ale tempered over burning witches be anything but good?

Synchronicity! I got a bottle of that as part of a birthday present on Saturday. Looking forward to it now.

266 ReamWorks SKG  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 2:56:14pm

re: #225 sakublock

I’d vote for the Cupcake bar, with wine parings.

267 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 3:13:51pm

I’ll bet 5 bucks that the kid who asked those questions was Jewish.

268 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 3:17:02pm

But here is my real question:

How big a step is it to go from advocating walking on a buried Mosque as a proud Christian, to walking on buried Muslims?

Of course the question is rhetorical.

It is a matter of time before we see violent outbursts against the Muslim community. It will particularly happen if the teabags don’t make the political gains they feel they were entitled to.

The brown shirts are here.

269 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 4:05:54pm

I’m just surprised that he didn’t propose erecting a stockyard for pigs over it…

/

Sheesh these people are nuts…

270 CSKapper  Wed, Aug 18, 2010 5:36:18pm

At first I thought Charles was somewhat overreacting to the right-wing craziness. Now, I am running as fast as I can away from the party of fear and hatred.


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