Sarah Palin Defends the Right to Use the N Word
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Virginia Plain Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:12:28pm |
I wish more right wingers could be open about their racism. It makes things so much easier.
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darthstar Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:14:13pm |
Oh, Sarah...we want you to exercise your first amendment rights...as much as possible. You're winning!
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:15:08pm |
"Free speech" does not include the right to your very own radio show.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:15:50pm |
Righteous indignation means never having to say you're sorry.
Empty headed twit.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:16:37pm |
Is there any significant group of people in this nation that the woman hasn't done her best to piss off?
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Kragar Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:17:34pm |
re: #7 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Is there any significant group of people in this nation that the woman hasn't done her best to piss off?
WASPs
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:18:20pm |
BTW, the reason Dr. Laura is quitting is because she was forced to apologize and can't express her racial views on the air. She slipped and exposed some real ugliness. She could have continued the conversation and it would have been compelling radio but her views are just too ugly and her employer won't allow it.
Her use of the n word was one of the least offensive aspects of her rant.
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Virginia Plain Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:18:36pm |
re: #7 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Is there any significant group of people in this nation that the woman hasn't done her best to piss off?
Her own kind.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:18:59pm |
re: #8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
WASPs
Pretty much. She's the poster child of the modern GOP: "If you ain't white, Christian, and male, go somewhere else. We don't like your kind here."
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:21:09pm |
re: #10 Killgore Trout
BTW, the reason Dr. Laura is quitting is because she was forced to apologize and can't express her racial views on the air. She slipped and exposed some real ugliness. She could have continued the conversation and it would have been compelling radio but her views are just too ugly and her employer won't allow it.
Her use of the n word was one of the least offensive aspects of her rant.
Dr. (Physiologist, not Psychologist) Laura:
If you're that hypersensitive about color and don't have a sense of humor, don't marry outside of your race," Schlessinger said after hanging up with the caller.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:22:03pm |
What shackles? Was Dr. L. forced to do her radio show? Was the fact that her employer didn't like racist, obscene bigotry representing them a shackle? How did she loose her first amendment rights. You mean she can't use the "n" word anymore? Who's stopping her.
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calochortus Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:22:23pm |
I'm sure Dr. Laura has enough money to be able to get by, even without the hard work of insulting people on the radio.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:22:35pm |
re: #3 Killgore Trout
She's the new conservative hero.
She's been a hero of the SoCon beat-the-child crowd for some time, due to her strong opinions on faith, morality, and child discipline.
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JamesWI Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:22:57pm |
Dr. Laura's quote was priceless, especially with the "Ground Zero Mega Victory Mosque" fight going on:
"The reason is I want to regain my First Amendment rights. I want to be able to say what's on my mind and in my heart and what I think is helpful and useful without somebody getting angry, some special interest group deciding this is the time to silence a voice of dissent and attack affiliates, attack sponsors. I'm sort of done with that."
So Dr. Laura's First Amendment rights, to her, means that no one is allowed to protest her, or her affiliates. Hell, thanks for telling us that Dr. Laura. Now can you kindly tell the anti-mosque idiots that they don't have the right to voice their (stupid) disapproval of the community center? kthxbai
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freetoken Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:23:22pm |
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:23:57pm |
Good grief.
As an aside, politicians look hilarious using twitter.
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Velvet Elvis Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:24:05pm |
re: #3 Killgore Trout
She's the new conservative hero.
I just sang that in my head to the GI Joe theme
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:24:15pm |
re: #10 Killgore Trout
I never liked her show. Mostly because I never wanted to know any of those people that call in that well. Or at all in many cases.
That's a darn good point about the n word not being the worst. The double standards about the use of the term still reeks to high heaven. When the music & stand up comedy biz gets serious about several offensive terms regardless of the ethnicity of the performer I'll be far more impressed with all the attention to talk show hosts and what they say.
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Nick Schroeder Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:24:31pm |
re: #10 Killgore Trout
BTW, the reason Dr. Laura is quitting is because she was forced to apologize and can't express her racial views on the air. She slipped and exposed some real ugliness. She could have continued the conversation and it would have been compelling radio but her views are just too ugly and her employer won't allow it.
Her use of the n word was one of the least offensive aspects of her rant.
I completely agree. I just read the transcript of the interview that started all of this for the first time today. I was ready for the n-bombs being used in some 'not terribly racist' sort of context (as they sometimes are in these controversies). However, Dr. Laura was just a straight up stereotyping racist bigot through out the whole discussion with the female caller. To be honest, I actually fely quite bad for the women who called in, because presumably she was most likely a fan of the show and looked up to Dr. Laura and was looking forward to her advice.
Who knew Dr. Laura's advice would amount to "Sorry, you're defective because you're black. LOL."
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Kragar Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:24:55pm |
re: #16 freetoken
She's been a hero of the SoCon beat-the-child crowd for some time, due to her strong opinions on faith, morality, and child discipline.
Thats turned out real well. Her kids are the proof.
/
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What, me worry? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:25:11pm |
In an early Iowa poll, Palin is at number 4 out of favorite Republicans. Me thinks her shine is wearing off.
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Varek Raith Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:25:13pm |
re: #23 Girth
WTF is a Constitutional obstructionist?
Someone who wants to remove the 14th amendment.
Wait...
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:25:38pm |
So, let's see if I got this straight, Sarah: Muslims have a right to build an Islamic community center, but shouldn't exercise that right because it's "insensitive."
But Dr. Laura's right to freedom of speech means she can say whatever she likes without worrying about whether her words are seen as "insensitive" or not.
Can you say "double standard"? See, I know you could.
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Walter L. Newton Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:26:00pm |
re: #18 freetoken
Them. You know who they are.
Well.. no I don't... and I don't know why you are accusing me of being in "their" camp or something?
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:26:05pm |
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Lidane Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:26:59pm |
I'm hearing a choir of angels as I read those Tweets.
Oh, wait. It's just Jon Stewart and his gospel choir:
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freetoken Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:27:08pm |
As I wrote yesterday:
Dr. Laura will join The Sarah and similar pundits on the God-n-Country circuit. She won't get nowhere near as much per engagement as The Sarah, but I bet she can pull down $5k per gig.
I really do expect the two of them to show up together at some events. They'll make a great pair.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:27:35pm |
re: #5 Alouette
"Free speech" does not include the right to your very own radio show.
It doesn't? I guess I'll have to give back the prime slot my local station gave me.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:28:14pm |
re: #25 marjoriemoon
In an early Iowa poll, Palin is at number 4 out of favorite Republicans. Me thinks her shine is wearing off.
1. Mike Huckabee
2. Mitt Romney
3. Newt Gingrich
4. Sarah Palin
5. Ron Paul
Oh yeah, this is gonna be brutal.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:29:06pm |
re: #22 Nick Schroeder
To be honest, I actually fely quite bad for the women who called in, because presumably she was most likely a fan of the show and looked up to Dr. Laura and was looking forward to her advice.
I think that's the saddest part. That listener called in for help from someone she trusted only to get an earful of callous racism. Dr. Laura still feels that she's the victim by not being allowed to heap racism on black people seeking help.
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Max Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:29:21pm |
re: #35 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Where's Jeb Bush? Where's Rudy Giuliani? Where's Chris Christie? Where's Charlie Christ?
Where's any Republican with some ideas and leadership?!
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freetoken Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:30:06pm |
re: #29 Rightwingconspirator
Or was that simple corporal punishment?
It's not just that, but the overall gestalt to parenting she would present on her show. Certainly she must have had detractors in some of the hard-core fundamentalist crowd (since she wouldn't fully buy into the wife submitting to the husband meme), but I remember years ago down here on the local talk stations how much praise Dr. Laura would get from the general SoCon crowd.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:30:22pm |
re: #37 Max D. Reinhardt
Where's Jeb Bush? Where's Rudy Giuliani? Where's Chris Christie? Where's Charlie Christ?
Where's any Republican with some ideas and leadership?!
Run out of the party on a rail, didn't ya hear? The "RINO" stamp is still smoking.
/
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Lidane Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:30:49pm |
re: #37 Max D. Reinhardt
Where's any Republican with some ideas and leadership?!
Last I checked, he's the ambassador to China.
Of course, since he's working for Obama, that makes him a RINO and a sell-out, so he won't get nominated anyway. =P
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:30:58pm |
On Larry King Live, she moaned and lamented that people threaten to boycott her sponsors because they don't like what she says, which she says constitutes a violation of her First Amendment rights.
As far as I can tell, she still has every right she ever had. That doesn't mean anyone is required to listen to it, nor does it mean any radio station or sponsor thereof is required to fund and facilitate her doing so. That's the way radio has worked for decades. Just ask Howard Stern.
Her crowning achievement is having the audacity to whine to Larry King about how she's being victimized. She's spent her whole damned career pretty much repeating the notion that women are by default infantile little children who can't take responsibility for themselves, and then when her tit gets caught in the wringer, then suddenly all the whining and poor me self-pity comes out by the bucketful.
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really grumpy big dog Johnson Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:31:44pm |
I sure am glad that I ran the other way from that loon when I did. Of course, the guy I wanted for a VP candidate ran the other way, and hasn't come back since...
I admit, his timing was admirable.
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What, me worry? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:31:59pm |
re: #35 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
1. Mike Huckabee
2. Mitt Romney
3. Newt Gingrich
4. Sarah Palin
5. Ron PaulOh yeah, this is gonna be brutal.
Whoever wins, we all lose, but you probably can't go by me ;)
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:32:12pm |
re: #41 negativ
On Larry King Live, she moaned and lamented that people threaten to boycott her sponsors because they don't like what she says, which she says constitutes a violation of her First Amendment rights.
As far as I can tell, she still has every right she ever had. That doesn't mean anyone is required to listen to it, nor does it mean any radio station or sponsor thereof is required to fund and facilitate her doing so. That's the way radio has worked for decades. Just ask Howard Stern.
Her crowning achievement is having the audacity to whine to Larry King about how she's being victimized. She's spent her whole damned career pretty much repeating the notion that women are by default infantile little children who can't take responsibility for themselves, and then when her tit gets caught in the wringer, then suddenly all the whining and poor me self-pity comes out by the bucketful.
It's the new feminism, and it makes me puke.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:32:46pm |
re: #28 Walter L. Newton
Well.. no I don't... and I don't know why you are accusing me of being in "their" camp or something?
Please Walter, put away the paranoia. I had hoped by italicizing both pronouns you would understand the references to the nebulous "they" so often used in grievance theatre crowds.
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What, me worry? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:33:26pm |
re: #37 Max D. Reinhardt
Where's Jeb Bush? Where's Rudy Giuliani? Where's Chris Christie? Where's Charlie Christ?
Where's any Republican with some ideas and leadership?!
First, Charlie Crist is an Independent.
Second, how can you even put him with Bush and Guiliani? He's nothing like them.
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Max Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:34:57pm |
Here's some wisdom from Twitter:
The right needs to wake up - lunatics like Glenn Beck and bikini-clad flip floppers like Pam Geller do us no favors, create easy targets.
Hits the nail on the Shrieking Harpy's hair extensions.
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:35:14pm |
She's quitting. She should have been fired.
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Max Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:35:48pm |
re: #42 really grumpy big dog Johnson
Who did you want for the VP spot?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:36:08pm |
Sister Sarah was at Senator Ted Stevens' funeral today.
I wonder if she was tweeting from there? Certainly doesn't seem like she's respecting him or the event.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:36:56pm |
re: #38 freetoken
I have to admit I'm not a listener at all. No talk radio for me. I do have a bias against the commentator/pundit genre. The whole idea of radio psychiatry was just awful imo. As if those tiny moments were adequate to the task. Phony help.
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calochortus Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:37:28pm |
I just can't imagine who would call her for advise? I listened to her a few times years ago and just didn't see what all the excitement was about. Much of her advise failed the simple test of practicality. One of her callers was a single mother of an infant, I don't remember the exact problem presented, but after a little homily about making one's bed and lying in it, she told the woman she needed to get a job that she could do "while the baby slept" so she could take care of it when it was awake. So when was the caller supposed to sleep? We don't know...
Add to that the repeated 'do as I say, not as I do' aspects to her life and the way her outlook on what is important changed with her own enthusiasms (religion, fidelity) I just don't get it.
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Gus Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:37:44pm |
Ah yes. The old "why can't white people use the n-word if black people use it" argument. What a bunch of fools. Not all black people use the n-word.
Last I checked didn't seem like many people were demanding that Schlesinger be fired. The whole things smells like a damage control publicity stunt.
Her PhD is in physiology not psychology. Damn, this country is populated by airheads -- even people with advanced degrees.
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alexknyc Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:37:59pm |
re: #50 Stanley Sea
Sister Sarah was at Senator Ted Stevens' funeral today.
I wonder if she was tweeting from there? Certainly doesn't seem like she's respecting him or the event.
Do you think Palin actually does her own tweeting?
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Kragar Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:38:01pm |
re: #48 Jeff In Ohio
She's quitting. She should have been fired.
So she and Palin have that in common.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:38:51pm |
As I wrote yesterday, when Laura Schlessinger says she will not renew her contract after the end of the year, telling "Larry King Live" she wants to "regain my First Amendment rights", what she means, in plain English, is that she wants to be able to call black people ni@@ers without undue fuss.
That Sawah Pawin supports this is encouraging. Her mask is slipping, too.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:39:34pm |
re: #51 Rightwingconspirator
I have to admit I'm not a listener at all. No talk radio for me.
I loathe talk radio. Hell, I don't even like hearing commercials, much less listening to some asshole blowhard filling several hours of airtime with their inane blather. Give me the commercial free music stations on satellite radio, or my iPod plugged into the car any day.
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really grumpy big dog Johnson Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:39:38pm |
re: #49 Max D. Reinhardt
Who did you want for the VP spot?
Frank Keating, the current prez and CEO of the American Council of Life Insurers. He was arguably the best, most efficient governor that Oklahoma ever had.
He had just taken office when the Murrah Federal Building was bombed. He was masterful in that crisis, which was a fair signal that his governorship would be a success, which it emphatically was.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:39:51pm |
re: #19 Varek Raith
Good grief.
As an aside, politicians look hilarious using twitter.
Can you imagine if they had Twitter during WWII?
BigBearStalinUSSR: @DerFuhrer WTF YOU ASS we had a TRUCE
Joseph Stalin about 5m ago via webDerFuhrer: @BigBearStalinUSSR lol changed my mind
Adolph Hitler about 4m ago via webpaTTon: @DerFuhrer Comin to get you, you paper-hanging cocksucker
George Patton, about 3m ago via Blackberry
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steve_davis Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:40:06pm |
So just to recap, Dr. Laura is lionized for using the word "n*****" in a conversation with a black woman, all the while telling the black woman that she is being overly sensitive. Meanwhile, the city of New York is apparently going to wet its granite bed if Muslims are allowed to build a community center next to a titty bar. Because New Yorkers such shy, sensitive types. Is this pretty the "argument" as it now stands?
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:40:52pm |
"Dr Laura" could out-shriek Pam Geller in a harpie cage match, hands down.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:41:07pm |
re: #54 alexknyc
Do you think Palin actually does her own tweeting?
Yep. (Refudiate, cackle) Someone else does damage control on Facebook. There will be a big post glorifying Dr. Laura using words out of the dictionary shortly (if it isn't already there)
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:41:46pm |
re: #39 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Run out of the party on a rail, didn't ya hear? The "RINO" stamp is still smoking.
/
what's sad is that the sarc tag was unnecessary...
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theheat Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:41:48pm |
With faux feminist friends like Dr. Laura, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Ann Coulter, and Sharron Angle at the helm, who needs enemies?
These women epitomize the worst that's out there. Time and time again they put their best bitchface forward and attack and demean another group of people, then play victim and hug it out with each other in the media, in some fucked up socon saccharin sisterhood gesture.
Piss on the whole sanctimonious lot.
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really grumpy big dog Johnson Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:41:52pm |
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:41:54pm |
re: #57 Lidane
Zactly. It really amuses me that a hit segment on a local rock music station is listener programming. Basically listeners line up far better music sets than the professionals at the station. LOL.
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Max Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:41:58pm |
re: #59 negativ
Can you imagine if they had Twitter during WWII?
The location tag would have made it easier to bomb German convoys.
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steve_davis Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:42:16pm |
re: #60 steve_davis
Holy smoke. Add an "are" and a "much" into that comment where needed. I'm listening to Iron Butterfly, but really, even Butterfly Bleu shouldn't be causing me this much trouble.
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Kreuzueber Halbmond Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:42:25pm |
You can put lipstick on the "n" word, but at the end of the day it's still the "n" word.
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jaunte Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:42:27pm |
re: #62 Stanley Sea
Yep. (Refudiate, cackle) Someone else does damage control on Facebook. There will be a big post glorifying Dr. Laura using words out of the dictionary shortly (if it isn't already there)
Some one should tell her how to make a wink ;
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:42:45pm |
re: #63 Aceofwhat?
what's sad is that the sarc tag was unnecessary...
Yeah, I'm beginning to worry that reality and sarcasm are becoming one and the same.
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Gus Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:42:55pm |
If a white person uses the n-word the personality/social scale ranges from douche-bag to neo-Nazi/White Supremacist/Klan member.
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Max Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:44:28pm |
re: #58 really grumpy big dog Johnson
He seems okay at first glance. He doesn't have the social conservative or youth credentials that led the McCain campaign to pick Palin though; that's why they went with her.
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What, me worry? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:44:46pm |
re: #60 steve_davis
So just to recap, Dr. Laura is lionized for using the word "n*****" in a conversation with a black woman, all the while telling the black woman that she is being overly sensitive. Meanwhile, the city of New York is apparently going to wet its granite bed if Muslims are allowed to build a community center next to a titty bar. Because New Yorkers such shy, sensitive types. Is this pretty the "argument" as it now stands?
So you have no problem with what the Dr. Laura said?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:44:46pm |
re: #54 alexknyc
Do you think Palin actually does her own tweeting?
I absolutely do. I'm reasonably sure Paris Hilton does her own, too. It would be extremely hard to fake that amount of self-obsession.
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Gus Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:44:50pm |
I are Sarah Palin and I are wannabe be prezident someday. JUst look at teh tweets I are haz posted.
//
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:46:08pm |
READ THE CONSTITUTION, PALIN AND SCHLESSINGER.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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alexknyc Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:47:02pm |
re: #35 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
1. Mike Huckabee
2. Mitt Romney
3. Newt Gingrich
4. Sarah Palin
5. Ron PaulOh yeah, this is gonna be brutal.
It seems that anyone who isn't batshit insane (or willing to pander to them) has less chance of the GOP nomination than my cats do.
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What, me worry? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:48:09pm |
re: #77 MandyManners
READ THE CONSTITUTION, PALIN AND SCHLESSINGER.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
I'm confused. You think it's part of Dr. Laura's freedom of speech to spout off racist slurs whenever she feels like?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:48:26pm |
I hate hate hate hate hate the N word. When anyone uses it.
Nothing good happens when the word is used.
I don't care if your Michael Richards, Dr. Laura or LL Cool J, Snoop Dog or a Klan members.
I know that's not the discussion... but, it's how I feel.
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jordash1212 Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:48:29pm |
For people so concerned with the extra-legal morality of the Park51 mosque, they sure don't care about the morality of exercising their First Amendment right.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:48:37pm |
re: #59 negativ
Can you imagine if they had Twitter during WWII?
Oh, thank you for the needed laughs!
Imagine tweets from the age of Napoleon:
PtitCaporal @Wellyngdone: You're about to taste my lash.
Wellyngdone @PtitCaporal: I thought you were enjoying Elba?
PtitCaporal @Wellyndone: Meet you at the Waterloo Inn for beef, Wellyngdone.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:48:49pm |
Why do we not hold comedy and music talent to the same standard as talk radio personalities? They also have large audiences. Record labels to answer to, etc. I'm not saying Laura had the right to say it, I'm saying we are still far too tolerant of it from comedians (with one exception) and countless musicians. They get little or no trouble from it.
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theheat Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:48:51pm |
re: #56 Cato the Elder
She's been wearing her mask around her ankles since being nominated for VP. The woman is transparent.
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Gus Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:49:31pm |
Can you imagine 200 years from now with historians reading through Sarah Palin's Tweets? Makes me wonder if the Texas SBOE will be requiring the study of her Tweets in their history TEKS.
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jaunte Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:49:47pm |
re: #79 marjoriemoon
I think she means that Palin and Schlessinger don't have a valid complaint because the government isn't suppressing them.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:50:21pm |
re: #83 Rightwingconspirator
Michael Richard's career was toasted after he used it.
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What, me worry? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:51:22pm |
re: #83 Rightwingconspirator
Why do we not hold comedy and music talent to the same standard as talk radio personalities? They also have large audiences. Record labels to answer to, etc. I'm not saying Laura had the right to say it, I'm saying we are still far too tolerant of it from comedians (with one exception) and countless musicians. They get little or no trouble from it.
I don't know any comedians who use the N word, Black or White. Can you name one? Michael Richards won't use it again.
It's NOT ok for anyone to say that word, and I don't care your skin color. The attempt to take the sting out of it hasn't worked because if it had, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
I have many Black friends and none of them, not a one, say that word to each other or about themselves.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:51:23pm |
re: #83 Rightwingconspirator
Why do we not hold comedy and music talent to the same standard as talk radio personalities? They also have large audiences. Record labels to answer to, etc. I'm not saying Laura had the right to say it, I'm saying we are still far too tolerant of it from comedians (with one exception) and countless musicians. They get little or no trouble from it.
The difference here is that the context was pretty ugly. If she was trying to make a joke or some sort of thoughtful social commentary it wouldn't be too bad.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:52:01pm |
re: #84 theheat
She's been wearing her mask around her ankles since being nominated for VP. The woman is transparent.
In Sawah's case, "skin deep" would be an improvement.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:52:01pm |
This attitude reminds me of a mouhty college kid who thinks he has the right to spout off whatever he likes in a private establishment, and then rants about how his First Amendment rights have been abridged after the bouncers have shown him out the door.
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SinisterBen Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:52:27pm |
Just last week I was asking the rhetorical question of when we would be openly calling black people "n*****s" on air. I am really, (not) excited that this has actually happened, and that the race wars can offically kick off soon. WHEE!!! I sure hope we can just walk around our work places everyone names....
Just yesterday I was speaking to my administrative assistant and I said:
"Hey Smith, you c*nt I have a message for HR!" Sure she might have looked uncomfortable, but we all know ladies call each other "C*nt" all the time! ALL OF THEM!
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:52:41pm |
re: #88 marjoriemoon
Chris Rock. Dave Chappelle. Want more?
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What, me worry? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:52:46pm |
re: #86 jaunte
I think she means that Palin and Schlessinger don't have a valid complaint because the government isn't suppressing them.
ahh otay
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theheat Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:52:48pm |
re: #91 MandyManners
If only it was as simple as 86-ing the assholes from politics.
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:53:23pm |
re: #83 Rightwingconspirator
Maybe because the airwaves are public property leased by private entities and therefore have an expected higher standard of behavior.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:53:46pm |
re: #92 SinisterBen
You're a fairly intense guy. You know that?
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:54:03pm |
re: #91 MandyManners
This attitude reminds me of a
mouhty college kidstalker troll who thinks he has the right to spout off whatever he likes ina private establishmentCharles' living room, and then rants about how his First Amendment rights have been abridged afterthe bouncers have shown him out the door.Stinky has pounded his ass
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:54:23pm |
re: #78 alexknyc
It seems that anyone who isn't batshit insane (or willing to pander to them) has less chance of the GOP nomination than my cats do.
Way I see it, Huck's way too religious, Mitt won't get far due to having a "Scarlet M" on his chest, Newt will fold when he starts getting hammered for being a sexist scumbag, Sarah will implode Dean-style, and Paul will continue to be an "also-ran."
My biggest hope at the present time is that somebody like Paul Ryan or another fairly moderate Republican throws his hat into the ring and walks away with enough vote to take the nomination. Because otherwise Obama will be able to phone in the rest of the election and still be guaranteed a majority of the vote.
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What, me worry? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:54:35pm |
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:55:43pm |
re: #88 marjoriemoon
I don't know any comedians who use the N word, Black or White. Can you name one? Michael Richards won't use it again.
It's NOT ok for anyone to say that word, and I don't care your skin color. The attempt to take the sting out of it hasn't worked because if it had, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
I have many Black friends and none of them, not a one, say that word to each other or about themselves.
Well, a lot of them do, but that is their right. It's a well-known psychological effect: people scourged with hateful words adopt them, often, as a badge of honor and a way of saying "you can't make us feel bad with that shit anymore". Of course it still makes them feel bad when people use the word as originally intended; it's a defense mechanism, nothing more.
I also know Jews who call each other "Hebes" and even the K-word. Doesn't give me the right.
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Digital Display Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:55:47pm |
re: #97 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You're a fairly intense guy. You know that?
I'm feeling you veggie..I wonder how this will play out
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SinisterBen Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:56:08pm |
re: #97 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You're a fairly intense guy. You know that?
Sorry I like to sling rhetoric around people who find that it emboldens their arguments. I hope this makes you very uncomfortable.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:56:11pm |
re: #60 steve_davis
So just to recap, Dr. Laura is lionized for using the word "n*****" in a conversation with a black woman, all the while telling the black woman that she is being overly sensitive. Meanwhile, the city of New York is apparently going to wet its granite bed if Muslims are allowed to build a community center next to a titty bar. Because New Yorkers such shy, sensitive types. Is this pretty the "argument" as it now stands?
well done, there...
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:56:17pm |
re: #91 MandyManners
This attitude reminds me of a mouhty college kid who thinks he has the right to spout off whatever he likes in a private establishment, and then rants about how his First Amendment rights have been abridged after the bouncers have shown him out the door.
Just so. Just because you have the right to say something, doesn't mean others have to associate with you if what you say offends them.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:56:29pm |
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:57:16pm |
re: #79 marjoriemoon
I'm confused. You think it's part of Dr. Laura's freedom of speech to spout off racist slurs whenever she feels like?
YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
I don't like it but, people have the right to do this.
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Velvet Elvis Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:57:47pm |
re: #100 marjoriemoon
Well they suck then and they're wrong.
Actually the Chappelle sketch about the blind black guy who thinks he's white and joins the KKK is a brilliant commentary on who can and cant say the n-word in what contexts in our society.
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:58:06pm |
re: #109 MandyManners
YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
I don't like it but, people have the right to do this.
Really, he has his on radio show with ad support? Not the same thing at all.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:58:08pm |
re: #88 marjoriemoon
I don't know any comedians who use the N word, Black or White. Can you name one? Michael Richards won't use it again.
lots. Chris Rock. (i love chris rock)
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:58:20pm |
re: #10 Killgore Trout
BTW, the reason Dr. Laura is quitting is because she was forced to apologize and can't express her racial views on the air. She slipped and exposed some real ugliness. She could have continued the conversation and it would have been compelling radio but her views are just too ugly and her employer won't allow it.
Her use of the n word was one of the least offensive aspects of her rant.
She is ugly. I don't mean on the outside.
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SinisterBen Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:58:30pm |
re: #110 Conservative Moonbat
So white people can say it now... right? ;)
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:58:41pm |
re: #109 MandyManners
YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
I don't like it but, people have the right to do this.
But they don't have the right to a radio show. Is that so very hard for you to grok?
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Gus Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:58:50pm |
Well, big difference when Chris Rock or Dave Chappelle uses it. It is very much the context that matters especially if used in a dramatic or comedic situation. If Laura Schlesinger wants to use it that's fine by me and she can keep her spouting her nonsense over the airwaves.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:59:01pm |
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Velvet Elvis Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:59:24pm |
re: #109 MandyManners
YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
I don't like it but, people have the right to do this.
I agree but what she doesn't have is the right to an audience. ie, no radio station is obliged to broadcast her saying those things.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:59:32pm |
re: #109 MandyManners
YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
I don't like it but, people have the right to do this.
I'm not so sure that applies to the publicly owned (socialistic for now) airwaves.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:59:41pm |
re: #95 theheat
If only it was as simple as 86-ing the assholes from politics.
For some reason, I'm reminded of the bar scene in the original Star Wars movie.
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Velvet Elvis Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:59:41pm |
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Kragar Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:59:51pm |
People have the right to say whatever filthy, odious crap they wish to say.
We have the right to call them out as being racist pieces of shit and refuse to do business with them.
Freedom.
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calochortus Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:59:54pm |
Dr. Laura has a perfect right to say all the ugly things she wants to (aside from "fire" in a crowded theater and all that). Her employer does not have to continue to employ her to say those things. Ahh, freedom.
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Digital Display Wed, Aug 18, 2010 6:59:56pm |
re: #103 SinisterBen
Sorry I like to sling rhetoric around people who find that it emboldens their arguments. I hope this makes you very uncomfortable.
You must think you are playing amateur hour here pal..
you go boy..Cause you know..We can't handle it and everybody is uncomfortable and shit..LOL
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:00:05pm |
re: #117 reine.de.tout
that's right.
nattering nabobs of negativism.
Don't forget the effete intellectual snobs.
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SinisterBen Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:00:21pm |
re: #121 Conservative Moonbat
I never said that
I know. Sorry, apparently I play Poe's Law on this site. I meant sarcasm. I assure you.
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What, me worry? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:00:30pm |
re: #101 Cato the Elder
Well, a lot of them do, but that is their right. It's a well-known psychological effect: people scourged with hateful words adopt them, often, as a badge of honor and a way of saying "you can't make us feel bad with that shit anymore". Of course it still makes them feel bad when people use the word as originally intended; it's a defense mechanism, nothing more.
I also know Jews who call each other "Hebes" and even the K-word. Doesn't give me the right.
I will say this. Comedy is a different area. I have great respect for Mel Brooks whose whole shtick is self-deprecating humor. He's one of my favorite directors and comedic actors. So in some contexts, it could be funny.
Dr. Laura wasn't anywhere near that kind of context and neither was Michael Richards.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:01:00pm |
re: #118 Conservative Moonbat
I agree but what she doesn't have is the right to an audience. ie, no radio station is obliged to broadcast her saying those things.
Again true. Freedom of speach means you can say it. Its not a guarantee that someone has to give you the medium of your desire to do so.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:01:30pm |
re: #124 HoosierHoops
You must think you are playing amateur hour here pal..
you go boy..Cause you know..We can't handle it and everybody is uncomfortable and shit..LOL
LOL, if slinging rhetoric could silence people, I would have driven off a dozen idiots from this board a year ago.
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What, me worry? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:02:00pm |
re: #109 MandyManners
YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
I don't like it but, people have the right to do this.
I think there's such a thing as hate speech and I think it can be used to incite hatred. The other part is that just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD and I think society is right to shun her.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:02:05pm |
Check out what the good Dr. Herself had to say about Don Imus after his "nappy-headed hoes" comment. It's served with a heapin' helpin' of tu quoque, but it's still quite amusing:
The main problem with Imus’ comments is that they were in no way taken out of context - they were a direct assault on a group of women for whom the words did not match the reality.
[...]
As for Imus, it would seem his arrogance caught up with him. His remark was insulting, stupid, mean and ugly. It was so seemingly “off-the-cuff,” that it felt too casually familiar a thing for him to say.
Unlike yelling "n---" 11 times, which was clearly so alien to her that it took every ounce of effort to force it out of herself.
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Velvet Elvis Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:02:06pm |
re: #119 prairiefire
I'm not so sure that applies to the publicly owned (socialistic for now) airwaves.
The FCC places restrictions on what can be said, plus there is no law mandating that individual broadcasters carry any particular content other than stuff like emergency broadcast system tests. I think the bigger issues is that if a broadcaster doesn't want her saying it on their station, they can't be forced to let her.
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Digital Display Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:02:29pm |
re: #130 Cato the Elder
LOL, if slinging rhetoric could silence people, I would have driven off a dozen idiots from this board a year ago.
LOL..Dang it Cato..You are going to scare him off! *wink*
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:02:31pm |
re: #88 marjoriemoon
Easy-
Dave Chappelle- The (N) Family. Still up on Comedy Central.
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SinisterBen Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:03:09pm |
re: #129 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Again true. Freedom of speach means you can say it. Its not a guarantee that someone has to give you the medium of your desire to do so.
So many seem to think Freedom of Speech means:
"I can say what I want, and you have to listen, and then like me still, no matter what and also you have to continue to buy my goods, and also I am free to say anything, and such as the maps."
If it feels like a run on sentence from the first grade... I know.
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abbyadams Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:03:13pm |
re: #41 negativ
Shorter: We heart the free market, until it turns against us!
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:03:20pm |
re: #100 marjoriemoon
Well they suck then and they're wrong.
I honestly got teary eyed when Richard Pryor spoke of how he was going to stop using the word.
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Gus Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:03:20pm |
re: #132 negativ
Check out what the good Dr. Herself had to say about Don Imus after his "nappy-headed hoes" comment. It's served with a heapin' helpin' of tu quoque, but it's still quite amusing:
Unlike yelling "n---" 11 times, which was clearly so alien to her that it took every ounce of effort to force it out of herself.
Classic.
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What, me worry? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:04:00pm |
re: #132 negativ
Check out what the good Dr. Herself had to say about Don Imus after his "nappy-headed hoes" comment. It's served with a heapin' helpin' of tu quoque, but it's still quite amusing:
Unlike yelling "n---" 11 times, which was clearly so alien to her that it took every ounce of effort to force it out of herself.
That's pretty funny. I was just thinking. She had her "Imus moment."
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:04:50pm |
re: #111 Jeff In Ohio
Really, he has his on radio show with ad support? Not the same thing at all.
it is the EXACT same thing. The stations that air her twaddle are owned by private entities so, the First Amendment has no role.
The roads/sidewalks along a funeral procession's route are public property so, the First Amendment is at play.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:05:01pm |
re: #134 HoosierHoops
LOL..Dang it Cato..You are going to scare him off! *wink*
Hope not. I want to play with him a while.
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SinisterBen Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:05:35pm |
re: #142 Jeff In Ohio
That's not a feeling.
My bad. The freedom of speech is the freedom to say as I want, without recompense to my bottom line.
And like such as.
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calochortus Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:05:38pm |
re: #144 calochortus
I'm tired of hypocrites.
And lest I'm not clear-that would be Dr. Laura, not negativ...
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What, me worry? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:05:41pm |
re: #138 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I honestly got teary eyed when Richard Pryor spoke of how he was going to stop using the word.
I may have been a tad hyperbolic...
I understand there's context where the word can be funny.
But this wasn't that. In fact, I don't think that woman has a humorous bone in her body.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:05:58pm |
re: #96 Jeff In Ohio
That would explain their bosses but not the public in general.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:06:03pm |
re: #88 marjoriemoon
I don't know any comedians who use the N word, Black or White. Can you name one? Michael Richards won't use it again.
ALL the legendary ones did, and in every case that I can think of it was because they were making a point. Lenny Bruce, George Carlin, and Richard Pryor. Mel Brooks, too, though he is of a different breed, I guess.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:06:49pm |
re: #149 marjoriemoon
I may have been a tad hyperbolic...
I understand there's context where the word can be funny.
But this wasn't that. In fact, I don't think that woman has a humorous bone in her body.
I suspect you're right.
Her mouth doesn't look like it's ton a heck of lot of smiling in her lifetime.
Maybe for good reason, who knows?
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:06:52pm |
re: #143 MandyManners
I must be misunderstanding you. Apologies.
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SinisterBen Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:07:54pm |
re: #151 negativ
ALL the legendary ones did, and in every case that I can think of it was because they were making a point. Lenny Bruce, George Carlin, and Richard Pryor. Mel Brooks, too, though he is of a different breed, I guess.
And they managed to never once say:
"they make "n****r" wages."
Huh, strange that jokes never look like that.
Or "N****r" go shine my shoes!
HILARIOUS! right?
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:07:55pm |
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:08:04pm |
re: #150 Rightwingconspirator
That would explain their bosses but not the public in general.
Que?
Am I doing acid or something?
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:08:20pm |
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:08:27pm |
re: #89 Killgore Trout
Except what about Harry Reids gaffe... He took real heat for that. "No negro dialect" line. And that is far short of the N word. Plus his context was an intended compliment. There is an element of selective hypersensitivity, exploited by critics of the individual involved.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:08:41pm |
Constitutional obstructionist? Is that someone who tells someone they can't build a mosque? Like oh I don't know Palin herself. Seriously, Dr. Laura had a right to say what she said but her employers had a right to pull the plug too. Actions have consequences and is it just me or is Palin way overexcited to celebrate Dr. Laura.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:09:50pm |
re: #158 Rightwingconspirator
Except what about Harry Reids gaffe... He took real heat for that. "No negro dialect" line. And that is far short of the N word. Plus his context was an intended compliment. There is an element of selective hypersensitivity, exploited by critics of the individual involved.
This coupled with his GZ Mosque opinion makes me believe he is set in his old school ways. I'd still take him over Angle.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:10:43pm |
re: #115 Cato the Elder
But they don't have the right to a radio show. Is that so very hard for you to grok?
No one has a Fist Amendment Right to spew whatever she wishes in/on a private establishment because the First Amendment does not carry any weight in that situation.
The owners of the station have a right to carry whomever they want. It's private business. Contract law governs those situations.
Now, if the government were to step in and tell the owners of those stations to drop her, we'd be talking about a whole 'nother situation.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:11:39pm |
re: #118 Conservative Moonbat
I agree but what she doesn't have is the right to an audience. ie, no radio station is obliged to broadcast her saying those things.
Precisely.
Her First Amendment rights were not violated.
At this point, it's all about business.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:11:45pm |
Meanwhile, here is a very thoughtful, nuanced, detailed take on the Cordoba House project, written by someone who lives approximately as far away from the Big Hole in Manhattan as the "mega-mosque" will be.
A Lower Manhattanite’s Take on the Cordoba House
I doubt not that many will take exception to one or more of her points. This is the force of a good essay, and this essay is as good as the one written by Hitchens on the same subject.
Also, some of you may recognize the author. I am proud to count her among my friends.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:12:18pm |
re: #119 prairiefire
I'm not so sure that applies to the publicly owned (socialistic for now) airwaves.
Phelps is not using any airwaves.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:12:33pm |
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JRCMYP Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:12:50pm |
re: #77 MandyManners
READ THE CONSTITUTION, PALIN AND SCHLESSINGER.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The government isn't restricting their freedom of speech. Capitalism is. Angry listeners=no sponsors=no radio show.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:13:05pm |
re: #156 Jeff In Ohio
The nuance of private and public you brought up-I think it might explain why Dr Laura's bosses might be more strict than say a record label and a rap performer. Radio is leased airwaves, but record labels are private/corporate.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:13:06pm |
Because open racism is now an American value up there with Free Speech...
As far as the GOP is concerned the First Amendment only applies to them.
Poor people and those of lesser races or heathen religions need not apply.
How I hate these Anti-American scum.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:13:50pm |
Nancy Pelosi's call for investigation into the funding of the anti-Park51 crowd really set off my favorite wingnut, Scott Wheeler. He reacted by firing off a mass email worthy of Joe McCarthy.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:13:54pm |
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:14:52pm |
re: #165 MandyManners
Phelps is not using any airwaves.
I believe some folks (including me) thought you were suggesting the opposite.
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:15:19pm |
re: #168 Rightwingconspirator
The nuance of private and public you brought up-I think it might explain why Dr Laura's bosses might be more strict than say a record label and a rap performer. Radio is leased airwaves, but record labels are private/corporate.
Thanks. My brain is not connecting the dots to well.
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JRCMYP Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:15:36pm |
re: #165 MandyManners
Phelps is not using any airwaves.
Was this another ruling (the link you referenced)? I thought that the new lawsuit was being brought by a father who felt his rights were being infringed upon by Phelps and his family...somehow...but not about freedom of speech.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:15:47pm |
re: #164 Cato the Elder
Meanwhile, here is a very thoughtful, nuanced, detailed take on the Cordoba House project, written by someone who lives approximately as far away from the Big Hole in Manhattan as the "mega-mosque" will be.
A Lower Manhattanite’s Take on the Cordoba House
I doubt not that many will take exception to one or more of her points. This is the force of a good essay, and this essay is as good as the one written by Hitchens on the same subject.
Also, some of you may recognize the author. I am proud to count her among my friends.
Read that yesterday.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:16:04pm |
re: #161 prairiefire
Her gun fetish is disgusting.
She really does love using that reload metaphor doesn't she.
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What, me worry? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:16:16pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:16:19pm |
re: #155 reine.de.tout
LOL!
ZING!
*waves*
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:16:43pm |
re: #131 marjoriemoon
I think there's such a thing as hate speech and I think it can be used to incite hatred. The other part is that just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD and I think society is right to shun her.
To my knowledge, there is no Supreme Court case law on "hate speech".
However, if you want to look at something similar, you could research "fighting words". And, "time, place and manner".
Society does not equal law.
Schlessinger had the absolute right to say that word.
Society has the right to shun the shit out of her, and to apply pressure on the private entities that carry her show.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:16:43pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:16:44pm |
re: #120 MandyManners
For some reason, I'm reminded of the bar scene in the original Star Wars movie.
Hearing the music of that scene played by an orchestra John Williams was conducting made me think about how well that tune would have fit in at a 1920's Chicago speakeasy. If some ways, I think George Lucas might have modeled the Mos Eisley bar after such a place.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:17:24pm |
re: #120 MandyManners
For some reason, I'm reminded of the bar scene in the original Star Wars movie.
"No blasters!"
/
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:17:42pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:17:54pm |
re: #165 MandyManners
Phelps is not using any airwaves.
I kind of wish he was. That way he could legally forced to shut the fuck up.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:17:54pm |
For a real eye opener do get to Comedy Central and watch Dave Chappelles very controversially named skit. I dare not repeat the title now...
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:17:55pm |
re: #164 Cato the Elder
Meanwhile, here is a very thoughtful, nuanced, detailed take on the Cordoba House project, written by someone who lives approximately as far away from the Big Hole in Manhattan as the "mega-mosque" will be.
A Lower Manhattanite’s Take on the Cordoba House
I doubt not that many will take exception to one or more of her points. This is the force of a good essay, and this essay is as good as the one written by Hitchens on the same subject.
Also, some of you may recognize the author. I am proud to count her among my friends.
halfway through it and i already love her. is all of her stuff this good? it's like picking up a Bordeaux after having a glass from the boxed Cabernet...
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:18:29pm |
re: #179 MandyManners
To my knowledge, there is no Supreme Court case law on "hate speech".
However, if you want to look at something similar, you could research "fighting words". And, "time, place and manner".
Society does not equal law.
Schlessinger had the absolute right to say that word.
Society has the right to shun the shit out of her, and to apply pressure on the private entities that carry her show.
Quite Concur.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:18:59pm |
SawahPawinUSA @America: Here's a bucket of racist scum, but I'm calling it beer. Chug it, rubes!
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sagehen Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:19:38pm |
re: #41 negativ
On Larry King Live, she moaned and lamented that people threaten to boycott her sponsors because they don't like what she says, which she says constitutes a violation of her First Amendment rights.
Remind me again how Bill Maher lost his ABC show "Politically Incorrect"? And who it was that organized that and screamed the loudest about it?
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:19:50pm |
re: #164 Cato the Elder
Meanwhile, here is a very thoughtful, nuanced, detailed take on the Cordoba House project, written by someone who lives approximately as far away from the Big Hole in Manhattan as the "mega-mosque" will be.
A Lower Manhattanite’s Take on the Cordoba House
I doubt not that many will take exception to one or more of her points. This is the force of a good essay, and this essay is as good as the one written by Hitchens on the same subject.
Also, some of you may recognize the author. I am proud to count her among my friends.
Kejda has always been awesome.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:20:21pm |
re: #153 Jeff In Ohio
I must be misunderstanding you. Apologies.
You have the right to say what you want in the space the public owns.
You don't have the right to say what you want in the space a private entity owns.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:20:51pm |
re: #192 MandyManners
You have the right to say what you want in the space the public owns.
You don't have the right to say what you want in the space a private entity owns.
Hence her departure.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:21:48pm |
re: #186 Rightwingconspirator
Can't watch the show... hate the word.
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:21:55pm |
re: #179 MandyManners
To my knowledge, there is no Supreme Court case law on "hate speech".
However, if you want to look at something similar, you could research "fighting words". And, "time, place and manner".
Society does not equal law.
Schlessinger had the absolute right to say that word.
Society has the right to shun the shit out of her, and to apply pressure on the private entities that carry her show.
Well said. And good and decent Americans who still aren't overcome by fear, racism and bigotry have every right to shun Palin and every GOP thug who panders to this crap against all of the American values that make us noble.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:22:12pm |
re: #159 HappyWarrior
Constitutional obstructionist? Is that someone who tells someone they can't build a mosque? Like oh I don't know Palin herself. Seriously, Dr. Laura had a right to say what she said but her employers had a right to pull the plug too. Actions have consequences and is it just me or is Palin way overexcited to celebrate Dr. Laura.
THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:22:35pm |
re: #187 Aceofwhat?
halfway through it and i already love her. is all of her stuff this good? it's like picking up a Bordeaux after having a glass from the boxed Cabernet...
If you can check your e-mail . ..
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:22:53pm |
re: #159 HappyWarrior
Constitutional obstructionist? Is that someone who tells someone they can't build a mosque? Like oh I don't know Palin herself. Seriously, Dr. Laura had a right to say what she said but her employers had a right to pull the plug too. Actions have consequences and is it just me or is Palin way overexcited to celebrate Dr. Laura.
BTW, nice snipe at perceived lesbians.
Real classy.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:22:54pm |
re: #176 HappyWarrior
She really does love using that reload metaphor doesn't she.
It makes me lean believing the rumor that she does not write her own Facebook entries.
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What, me worry? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:22:55pm |
re: #179 MandyManners
To my knowledge, there is no Supreme Court case law on "hate speech".
However, if you want to look at something similar, you could research "fighting words". And, "time, place and manner".
Society does not equal law.
Schlessinger had the absolute right to say that word.
Society has the right to shun the shit out of her, and to apply pressure on the private entities that carry her show.
I do hear you and what she said could probably not be construed as hate speech in a legal way because it didn't incite violence. I mean, if she stood on the street corner with a megaphone chanting it at passersby, then no, she wouldn't have the right to say that word.
I think it's more important, however, for people to shun her or anybody who uses racial slurs in ways such as she did. We don't have to accept it.
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:23:23pm |
re: #186 Rightwingconspirator
For a real eye opener do get to Comedy Central and watch Dave Chappelles very controversially named skit. I dare not repeat the title now...
Chappelle lives in Dayton. A good friend of mine has a kid in the same grade/school his kid goes. She reports he is a gentleman and doting father.
I think he's funny as shit and as edgy as Lenny Bruce. His presidential skit is a bit unnerving.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:23:42pm |
re: #198 MandyManners
BTW, nice snipe at perceived lesbians.
Real classy.
Huh I didn't say or imply anything about lesbians real or perceived. What are you talking about?
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Kreuzueber Halbmond Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:23:45pm |
Somewhere in America a white person is exercising his right to use the "n" word. And somewhere else in America a black person is calling Sarah's Down's child a retard. That's just great. Our First Amendment constitutional freedom reduced to an instrument to protect name calling. Sweet Jesus! Grow up, Mrs. Palin; and please remove yourself from the national spotlight post-haste.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:24:08pm |
re: #194 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
My point is why is it still even on the site?! Clearly offensive right? He's still making royalties off it. He has no serious political critics, no "rainbow coalition" objecting. So the skit plays on.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:24:27pm |
re: #201 Jeff In Ohio
He's so edgy he had too quit for awhile. He is a brilliant guy.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:24:27pm |
re: #161 prairiefire
Her gun fetish is disgusting.
Oh, I don't know about that.
There's nothing like having the means and capability to protect ourselves and our families.
Oh, wait. Should we not let our hubbies and/or the police do that?
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:24:57pm |
re: #202 HappyWarrior
Huh I didn't say or imply anything about lesbians real or perceived. What are you talking about?
If you're talking about me saying that Palin is way too eager to celebrate Dr. Laura. I didn't mean it sexually. She just seemed to be way too eager to celebrate Dr. Laura's use of the word.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:25:11pm |
re: #167 JRCMYP
The government isn't restricting their freedom of speech. Capitalism is. Angry listeners=no sponsors=no radio show.
Bingo.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:25:43pm |
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:25:48pm |
re: #172 Jeff In Ohio
I believe some folks (including me) thought you were suggesting the opposite.
I apologize for anything that might have confused!
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:26:07pm |
Later, Lizards.
Play as nicely as you can....
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:26:17pm |
re: #92 SinisterBen
An interesting choice of example, given what else Dr. Laura is noted for displaying in public (though not with her consent).
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:26:20pm |
re: #198 MandyManners
BTW, nice snipe at perceived lesbians.
Real classy.
No it wasn't. How did you get that?
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What, me worry? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:26:41pm |
re: #207 HappyWarrior
If you're talking about me saying that Palin is way too eager to celebrate Dr. Laura. I didn't mean it sexually. She just seemed to be way too eager to celebrate Dr. Laura's use of the word.
I didn't catch the any lesbian reference...
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:26:43pm |
re: #174 JRCMYP
Was this another ruling (the link you referenced)? I thought that the new lawsuit was being brought by a father who felt his rights were being infringed upon by Phelps and his family...somehow...but not about freedom of speech.
To my knowledge, the Supreme Court has not ruled on that case.
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jaunte Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:26:46pm |
Karl Popper was right.
Always remember that it is impossible to speak in such a way that you cannot be misunderstood: there will always be some who misunderstand you.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:26:52pm |
re: #203 Kreuzueber Halbmond
Somewhere in America a white person is exercising his right to use the "n" word. And somewhere else in America a black person is calling Sarah's Down's child a retard. That's just great. Our First Amendment constitutional freedom reduced to an instrument to protect name calling. Sweet Jesus! Grow up, Mrs. Palin; and please remove yourself from the national spotlight post-haste.
This X70. Stop with the temper tantrum, everybody. People are hot, pissed, worn out and broke.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:26:56pm |
re: #207 HappyWarrior
If you're talking about me saying that Palin is way too eager to celebrate Dr. Laura. I didn't mean it sexually. She just seemed to be way too eager to celebrate Dr. Laura's use of the word.
I mean, come on!!
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:26:58pm |
re: #186 Rightwingconspirator
For a real eye opener do get to Comedy Central and watch Dave Chappelles very controversially named skit. I dare not repeat the title now...
I think that is hysterically funny.
Laura Schlessinger could tell a joke to make a hyena laugh, though.
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Wayne A. Schneider Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:27:23pm |
"isn't American,not fair"
Is she trying to imply that Life is supposed to be "fair"? Just because she's employed by someone who's among those who think that what's wrong with American media is that you don't get to hear the scumbag's side of the story, so he presents his news product as "fair and balanced", doesn't mean everything in life is supposed to be "fair and balanced." If we have to be "fair", doesn't she? Can we "balance" her comments with something sane and intelligent?
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:27:56pm |
re: #213 Stanley Sea
No it wasn't. How did you get that?
I think it was because I said Palin was way too eager to celebrate Dr. Laura. The "whole be thankful for her voice". Why would I slander Palin by insuitating that she has a crush on Dr. Laura. My biggest problem with Palin politically is her backwards attitude on gays having equal marriage rights.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:28:18pm |
re: #206 MandyManners
Oh, I don't know about that.
There's nothing like having the means and capability to protect ourselves and our families.
Oh, wait. Should we not let our hubbies and/or the police do that?
i think i get what Prariefire is saying...i heart the second amendment, too, but you and i don't go around weaving gunfire-related terms into our everyday exhortations.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:28:38pm |
re: #181 Dark_Falcon
Hearing the music of that scene played by an orchestra John Williams was conducting made me think about how well that tune would have fit in at a 1920's Chicago speakeasy. If some ways, I think George Lucas might have modeled the Mos Eisley bar after such a place.
Of course he did. It was a futuristic play on the past.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:28:39pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:28:41pm |
re: #215 MandyManners
To my knowledge, the Supreme Court has not ruled on that case.
No, it has not. It likely will, though. And this is one case where I don't have guess about how they'll rule.
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:28:49pm |
Wow. Not even trying to hide the prejudice now, are ya Sarah?
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:29:19pm |
re: #203 Kreuzueber Halbmond
Somewhere in America a white person is exercising his right to use the "n" word. And somewhere else in America a black person is calling Sarah's Down's child a retard. That's just great. Our First Amendment constitutional freedom reduced to an instrument to protect name calling. Sweet Jesus! Grow up, Mrs. Palin; and please remove yourself from the national spotlight post-haste.
I'm glad you brought that up since I remember how ballistic Palin went when Family Guy made fun of her.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:29:49pm |
re: #222 Aceofwhat?
i think i get what Prariefire is saying...i heart the second amendment, too, but you and i don't go around weaving gunfire-related terms into our everyday exhortations.
No. I would get passed over in job interviews if I did.
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Racer X Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:30:55pm |
OK.
I've been silent long enough and I'm going to speak out. Some of you may not like what I'm about to say, and I may collect some dings, but that's the way it is.
Shaquille O'neal is the most entertaining athlete in pro sports today. Period. There. I said it.
I love Shaq Vs.!
Best show on TV!
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:31:05pm |
re: #181 Dark_Falcon
Hearing the music of that scene played by an orchestra John Williams was conducting made me think about how well that tune would have fit in at a 1920's Chicago speakeasy. If some ways, I think George Lucas might have modeled the Mos Eisley bar after such a place.
Little-known fact: John Williams is a thief, having stolen everything he's famous for from Igor Stravinsky (the first scenes of the droids shambling across the Tattooine desert are lifted directly, almost note-for-note, from The Rite of Spring), Gustav Mahler, and Sergei Prokofiev. The cantina music is Raymond Scott through and through.
Never mind. Something something Lady Gaga something.
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:31:34pm |
re: #23 Girth
WTF is a Constitutional obstructionist?
In this case, it's someone who offers a voice of opposition to the verbal bile spewed forth from right-wing jerks, like Dr. Laura Schlessinger and Sarah Palin.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:31:57pm |
re: #214 marjoriemoon
Great. Now I'm thinking of lesbians.
/
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:32:01pm |
re: #222 Aceofwhat?
i think i get what Prariefire is saying...i heart the second amendment, too, but you and i don't go around weaving gunfire-related terms into our everyday exhortations.
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What, me worry? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:32:17pm |
re: #224 HappyWarrior
Well that's because there wasn't.
Palin and Schlessinger may be a lot of things, but I'm fairly certain they aren't gay. But hey, in this bizarro world, nothing would shock me.
Ok, Dr. Laura being gay would probably shock me!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:32:27pm |
re: #227 HappyWarrior
I'm glad you brought that up since I remember how ballistic Palin went when Family Guy made fun of her.
And when she got so pissed that Rahm said that some Democrats were acting retarded.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:32:53pm |
re: #185 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I kind of wish he was. That way he could legally forced to shut the fuck up.
No, he could not.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:33:26pm |
re: #223 MandyManners
Of course he did. It was a futuristic play on the past.
True that. It's the same way has Lucas modeled the X-Wing vs. TIE fighters after WWII battles between US Wildcats and Hellcats and Japanese Zeros. Like the Zero, the TIE Fighter is very maneuverable but has no protection (armor or shields) at all.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:34:00pm |
re: #185 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I kind of wish he was. That way he could legally forced to shut the fuck up.
Plelps will not shut the fuck up.
Therefore, we must combat his ignorance by speaking out against him.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:34:28pm |
Palin and Dr. Laura have something else in common: They both have sons who deployed to Iraq; quite possibly to get as far from mom as they could.
/
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:34:44pm |
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What, me worry? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:34:47pm |
I just had visions of Anita Bryant. Remember her? Boy, she'd fit right in with today's wacka-dos.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:35:17pm |
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:35:18pm |
re: #229 Racer X
OK.
I've been silent long enough and I'm going to speak out. Some of you may not like what I'm about to say, and I may collect some dings, but that's the way it is.
Shaquille O'neal is the most entertaining athlete in pro sports today. Period. There. I said it.
I love Shaq Vs.!
Best show on TV!
But why did he divorce his honey? I feel played.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:36:00pm |
re: #226 eclectic infidel
Wow. Not even trying to hide the prejudice now, are ya Sarah?
It's more about mindless revanchism, as far as I can tell.
In order to support the feeling that one has been wronged - and in particular that something has been taken from you - one needs to come up (on occasion anyway), with an example or two.
The Sarah is definitely part of the "take our country back" crowd. These people feel wronged. They really do. So now they have to find the criminal, those who took whatever.
This is pretty indicative of the state of our society today, where a very large number of people have been left behind by a changing world that is increasing its speed of change.
There are a lot of frightened and/or ignorant people in America and they are easy pickings for the professional marketers. In this case (American Revanchism) people like Rupert Murdoch and Clear Channel make millions (and over time, billions) of dollars off the ignorance this revanchism.
I do hope that in time it will all pass, as just another episode of populist stupidity.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:36:36pm |
re: #223 MandyManners
Of course he did. It was a futuristic play on the past.
The Mos Eisley cantina had that "Rick's Place" feel...
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:36:43pm |
re: #236 Stanley Sea
And when she got so pissed that Rahm said that some Democrats were acting retarded.
Asked for his resignation as I recall too. She also defended Limbaugh's "satire." You gotta love Palin's standards. A guy blowing steam off in private to his collegues should resign but a blowhard calling a group of people retarded based on their ideology is "satire." Seriously Palin shouldn't be lecturing anyone about free speech. I'd ask her about Tinker Vs Des Moines or Hazelwood v. Kuhlmeier but I doubt she knows those cases.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:36:56pm |
re: #240 Shiplord Kirel
Palin and Dr. Laura have something else in common: They both have sons who deployed to Iraq; quite possibly to get as far from mom as they could.
/
Actually, that's one of the few positive things we can say about them: Their families had someone serving in this war in an active theater. That doesn't atone for their awful words, but its worth something.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:37:04pm |
re: #195 LudwigVanQuixote
Well said. And good and decent Americans who still aren't overcome by fear, racism and bigotry have every right to shun Palin and every GOP thug who panders to this crap against all of the American values that make us noble.
Well, I won't come backatcha' with Sestak his ilk, such as J-Street.
In fact, I'll just stop right here.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:37:20pm |
re: #234 marjoriemoon
Palin and Schlessinger may be a lot of things, but I'm fairly certain they aren't gay. But hey, in this bizarro world, nothing would shock me.
Ok, Dr. Laura being gay would probably shock me!
Wouldn't shock me.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:37:50pm |
re: #216 jaunte
Karl Popper was right.
Always remember that it is impossible to speak in such a way that you cannot be misunderstood: there will always be some who misunderstand you.
That kind of thing makes it awfully hard on people who speak in parables.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:37:54pm |
re: #228 prairiefire
No. I would get passed over in job interviews if I did.
So i was interviewing this guy a few years ago...he was applying to be a supervisor. Decent work experience, so-so background...
In the interview, i thought he was trying too hard to be confident and coming off as a little arrogant (i value a manager's ability to correctly project professional emotions). Then, out of nowhere...boom...he drops the F-bomb.
I didn't make a big deal out of it, just finished up. Turns out he'd dropped it on someone else, too. We two voted 'no'. There were two 'yes' votes, one of which was a VP, who thought he could chalk it up to youthful indiscretion (nevermind the guy was a 30yo).
Of course, after supervising in another area for a while to mixed reviews, he ended up working for a manager in my area. Not cool. i reminded the VP of our difference in opinion from the interview as often as possible without getting myself fired.
After a year of poor performance, one day, a maintenance employee caught him taking a whiz...outside...on the building. We fired him that day, and my VP is a little sheepish about the whole thing.
True story!
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:38:27pm |
re: #247 HappyWarrior
Asked for his resignation as I recall too. She also defended Limbaugh's "satire." You gotta love Palin's standards. A guy blowing steam off in private to his collegues should resign but a blowhard calling a group of people retarded based on their ideology is "satire." Seriously Palin shouldn't be lecturing anyone about free speech. I'd ask her about Tinker Vs Des Moines or Hazelwood v. Kuhlmeier but I doubt she knows those cases.
I don't think she knows much of anything
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Almost Killed by Space Hookers Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:40:00pm |
Going back to eye for an eye tooth for a tooth.
Earlier, I had explained that the following verse "G-d says vengeance is mine" means that the entire thought is that absolute justice which will actually balance all things is solely in the province of God and that men should not seek vengeance because humans can never administer perfect justice.
From this, we have the notion of measure for measure. That G-d's justice is in perfect measure with your sins.
So taking a delicious and completely tongue in cheek (while being slightly blasphemous) wink at Dante, I ask what should Sarah Palin's punishment be, measure for measure.
1. She is forced to take algebra and trigonometry exams while the spirits of Einstein, Feynman and Newton mock her, In true measure for measure, I am pretty certain the Feynman at least would take a perverse glee in that.
2. The all the Arabic mathematicians who helped develop algebra mock her.
3. Then she is taught algebra. She is given through God's power the capacity to get it. Then she understands for herself why she was mocked.
4. The process is repeated with the subjects of history, literature, economics and geography.
5. Then she is made pregnant with an ectopic pregnancy and dies again horribly, denied an abortion while listening to her old speeches about no abortions for any reason.
6. Then she gets to live as a Black and a Hispanic and a Jew and a Muslim
in America. Bonus points for getting abused by Az thugs for being Hispanic, and then having to listen to her old speeches. Bonus points for when she is Black and called the N word and gets to hear her old defense of it.
7. Then she can live on land raped by industry.
8. And be poor.
9. And be ill and without health care
10. And then after all that she can be given sharp high voltage shocks every time she winks or says you betcha.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:40:13pm |
re: #252 Aceofwhat?
After a year of poor performance, one day, a maintenance employee caught him taking a whiz...outside...on the building. We fired him that day, and my VP is a little sheepish about the whole thing.
I strongly protest discrimination against people who whiz outside.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:40:58pm |
re: #242 marjoriemoon
I just had visions of Anita Bryant. Remember her? Boy, she'd fit right in with today's wacka-dos.
She hasn't gone anywhere. Anita Bryant Ministries. She is no longer pushing the anti-gay campaign but she continues to defend it.
“I made a stand not against homosexuals, as persons, but against legislation that would tend to “normalize” and abet their lifestyle, and would especially afford them influence over our children who attended private religious school. I testified along with the others against the legislation before the Dade County Commission. The commissioners were already committed to passing it anyway and did.” At first, I did not want to become involved but forged ahead since many encouraged me in my public stance for a Christian view of home and family and protection of our children. I was asked to lead a referendum, so we formed “Save our Children” to change that unconstitutionally unnecessary law. The gay rights law was voted down by the people, not once, but three years in a row. The news media seized the opportunity – in Time and Newsweek, in television and radio reports and in major newspaper headlines across the nation, the story broke and expanded from referendum campaign into a multitude of complex social issues. It was a controversy that wouldn’t go away.
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Digital Display Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:41:03pm |
I saw Shaq play only once in my life..Live and in person..The day I saw Shaq play ar halftime they announced Dale Senior died at Daytona..There were people opening weeping in the Stands..I will never forget that day..BTW..The Lakers lost by one point..NASCAR People were destroyed that day with emotions..I remember that day like yesterday..A halftime announcement to never forget
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:41:45pm |
re: #252 Aceofwhat?
So i was interviewing this guy a few years ago...he was applying to be a supervisor. Decent work experience, so-so background...
In the interview, i thought he was trying too hard to be confident and coming off as a little arrogant (i value a manager's ability to correctly project professional emotions). Then, out of nowhere...boom...he drops the F-bomb.
I didn't make a big deal out of it, just finished up. Turns out he'd dropped it on someone else, too. We two voted 'no'. There were two 'yes' votes, one of which was a VP, who thought he could chalk it up to youthful indiscretion (nevermind the guy was a 30yo).
Of course, after supervising in another area for a while to mixed reviews, he ended up working for a manager in my area. Not cool. i reminded the VP of our difference in opinion from the interview as often as possible without getting myself fired.
After a year of poor performance, one day, a maintenance employee caught him taking a whiz...outside...on the building. We fired him that day, and my VP is a little sheepish about the whole thing.
True story!
A bonus piss on the building!! Somebody has to clean that up. Of course, you were right about him in the first place.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:42:50pm |
re: #256 Cato the Elder
I strongly protest discrimination against people who whiz outside.
hey, i'm with you. Trees, amongst other things, exist to provide me cover for outdoor relief. but don't whiz on the building...or in view of employees...or on the electric fence.
few things i like better than firing an inept manager or supervisor. ok, not hiring them is better. but firing them is almost as good...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:43:22pm |
"Don't retreat, reload?"
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:43:22pm |
re: #256 Cato the Elder
I strongly protest discrimination against people who whiz outside.
I thought the Romans brought sewer systems to the west.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:44:03pm |
re: #262 prairiefire
I thought the Romans brought sewer systems to the west.
for the ladies...for the ladies.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:44:29pm |
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:44:48pm |
re: #200 marjoriemoon
I do hear you and what she said could probably not be construed as hate speech in a legal way because it didn't incite violence. I mean, if she stood on the street corner with a megaphone chanting it at passersby, then no, she wouldn't have the right to say that word.
I think it's more important, however, for people to shun her or anybody who uses racial slurs in ways such as she did. We don't have to accept it.
Listen to me quite closely: to my knowledge, there is no legal definition per the Supreme Court of "hate speech". That's a fucked-up term and has no legal bearing in the court system of United States of America.
Please, cite me a case in which that term is used.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:45:21pm |
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Mr. Crankypants Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:45:55pm |
re: #245 freetoken
It's more about mindless revanchism, as far as I can tell.
In order to support the feeling that one has been wronged - and in particular that something has been taken from you - one needs to come up (on occasion anyway), with an example or two.
The Sarah is definitely part of the "take our country back" crowd. These people feel wronged. They really do. So now they have to find the criminal, those who took whatever.
This is pretty indicative of the state of our society today, where a very large number of people have been left behind by a changing world that is increasing its speed of change.
Future Shock
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:46:25pm |
re: #66 Rightwingconspirator
Zactly. It really amuses me that a hit segment on a local rock music station is listener programming. Basically listeners line up far better music sets than the
professionals at the station. LOL. AOR album reps and advertisers and music industry insiders making the station play their music
commercial rock radio is all business. ;-) It's not about music for people to listen to, it's about advertising major record companies' wares.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:46:40pm |
re: #266 Aceofwhat?
it's a formidable scent...stings the nostrils...
50% of the time it works every time.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:46:45pm |
re: #266 Aceofwhat?
it's a formidable scent...stings the nostrils...
THAT SMELLS LIKE BIGFOOT'S DICK
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:46:50pm |
re: #246 talon_262
The Mos Eisley cantina had that "Rick's Place" feel...
I can see that too. I admit to being kind of oriented towards a Chicago origin, given that I was born and raised in Chicago and I work there now. But I can hear that tune and see Al Capone in a table by the back wall of the bar, ready to head through the door down into the escape tunnel.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:48:12pm |
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webevintage Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:48:14pm |
Bah.
250 odd comments and I finally get back.
Hate Palin.
Hate her. so. much.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:48:18pm |
re: #263 Aceofwhat?
for the ladies...for the ladies.
Heck, I know quite a few ladies who are very skilled at releasing excess beer in the open.
The sewers were for Rome, at first. Then they caught on elsewhere.
But, "if dogs run free, why can't we?" --Bob Dylan
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:49:15pm |
re: #222 Aceofwhat?
i think i get what Prariefire is saying...i heart the second amendment, too, but you and i don't go around weaving gunfire-related terms into our everyday exhortations.
Well, I do at times! But, then again, I own some nice stuff, including a DE .50, a Walther .22 and a few other instruments of protection.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:49:25pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:49:43pm |
1. Clearly, as a schoolteacher, when I tell the kids that I tolerate no racial slurs in my classroom, I have been warping their little minds, and stomping on the First Amendment, and for this I apologize. I especially apologize to the young African-American woman who, in my student teaching semester, completely disrupted my class by suddenly calling out 'white power!'. Mika, honey, I was wrong.
2. I'm sure that Sarah would have been just as tolerant if someone she liked had said 'kike' three or four times on the air.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:50:05pm |
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Decider Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:50:19pm |
I predict that by this time next year Fox News will be saying the full N-word on a hourly basis with no regrets or apologies.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:50:45pm |
re: #279 Decider
I predict that by this time next year Fox News will be saying the full N-word on a hourly basis with no regrets or apologies.
I will kick their ass.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:51:00pm |
re: #268 WindUpBird
commercial rock radio is all business. ;-) It's not about music for people to listen to, it's about advertising major record companies' wares.
True that. You only have to see how they limit the number of songs by each artist or group. Thankfully, there are a few exceptions. In Chicago, 97.1 FM (The Drive) will often highlight an artist or group and play lesser known songs and deep tracks. Getting into a singer's body of work like that really gives you a better feel for what their music is about.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:51:37pm |
re: #280 prairiefire
I will kick their ass.
Careful. They could have some Governors in their pockets by then...
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What, me worry? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:51:38pm |
re: #265 MandyManners
Listen to me quite closely: to my knowledge, there is no legal definition per the Supreme Court of "hate speech". That's a fucked-up term and has no legal bearing in the court system of United States of America.
Please, cite me a case in which that term is used.
Well, there's this:
SAN DIEGO — Students on Friday took over the chancellor's office at the University of California, San Diego, to protest the hanging of a noose in a campus library, the latest in a string of racially charged incidents.UC and campus authorities did not indicate whether the students would be charged with a hate crime. Under state law, hanging a noose to terrorize is punishable by up to a year in jail.
Which is what I'm talking about.
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:52:29pm |
re: #256 Cato the Elder
I strongly protest discrimination against people who whiz outside.
There are a pair of skunks right now who are exercising their rights as wild animals to have skunk sex in my backyard, and squirting their happy juice everywhere.
Now I have to close the windows.
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What, me worry? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:52:31pm |
re: #257 Shiplord Kirel
She hasn't gone anywhere. Anita Bryant Ministries. She is no longer pushing the anti-gay campaign but she continues to defend it.
Wow! Anita became PC! I'm feeling the love :(
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Nimed Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:53:34pm |
re: #284 Alouette
There are a pair of skunks right now who are exercising their rights as wild animals to have skunk sex in my backyard, and squirting their happy juice everywhere.
Now I have to close the windows.
Be sure to keep us updated.
/
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:54:03pm |
re: #282 JasonA
Careful. They could have some Governors in their pockets by then...
There is a disquieting amount of prejudice against blacks building up. It won't be tolerated.
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:54:03pm |
re: #275 MandyManners
Well, I do at times! But, then again, I own some nice stuff, including a DE .50, a Walther .22 and a few other instruments of protection.
Which Walther, if you don't mind my asking? I've been seriously looking at a used P22 at my local Gander Mountain.
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Digital Display Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:54:04pm |
re: #279 Decider
I predict that by this time next year Fox News will be saying the full N-word on a hourly basis with no regrets or apologies.
Come on! Don't go over the top....
I hold Fox to the fire..Fox does not bander about the N word...
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:54:28pm |
re: #277 SanFranciscoZionist
1. Clearly, as a schoolteacher, when I tell the kids that I tolerate no racial slurs in my classroom, I have been warping their little minds, and stomping on the First Amendment, and for this I apologize. I especially apologize to the young African-American woman who, in my student teaching semester, completely disrupted my class by suddenly calling out 'white power!'. Mika, honey, I was wrong.
2. I'm sure that Sarah would have been just as tolerant if someone she liked had said 'kike' three or four times on the air.
However, I'm pretty sure she wouldn't be so tolerant if Helen Thomas said it.
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Digital Display Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:54:43pm |
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jaunte Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:54:49pm |
re: #284 Alouette
There are a pair of skunks right now who are exercising their rights as wild animals to have skunk sex in my backyard, and squirting their happy juice everywhere.
Now I have to close the windows.
Upding for nature!
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:55:08pm |
re: #288 prairiefire
There is a disquieting amount of prejudice against
blacksminorities building up. It won't be tolerated.
fixt
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freetoken Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:55:28pm |
Future Shock
Yes, at least in part.
Think of strong support Palin et. al. get in the rust belt. These are areas where the last 35 years or so have been decimated by lost jobs (some due to automation, others to outsourcing to other countries.)
It's not (just) that people can be backwards or ignorant, but also that the world they grew up in has changed. Really changed.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:56:00pm |
re: #291 SanFranciscoZionist
However, I'm pretty sure she wouldn't be so tolerant if Helen Thomas said it.
Or if Dr. Laura had said retard 11 times.
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Racer X Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:56:05pm |
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:56:07pm |
re: #279 Decider
I predict that by this time next year Fox News will be saying the full N-word on a hourly basis with no regrets or apologies.
I predict that I'll be calling you a fucking idiot within the next two seconds.
YOU FUCKIN IDIOT.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:56:24pm |
re: #7 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Is there any significant group of people in this nation that the woman hasn't done her best to piss off?
Racist assholes who think ethnic Jews are OK as long as they publicly talk about how cold Judaism is?
I don't know how significant this group is in the U.S. though.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:56:34pm |
re: #284 Alouette
There are a pair of skunks right now who are exercising their rights as wild animals to have skunk sex in my backyard, and squirting their happy juice everywhere.
Now I have to close the windows.
What do they call baby skunks?
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:56:42pm |
re: #284 Alouette
There are a pair of skunks right now who are exercising their rights as wild animals to have skunk sex in my backyard, and squirting their happy juice everywhere.
Now I have to close the windows.
You, as a man, have the right to use your man-power in the form of a .22 on them.
If you don't, that means your an even better man than I thought.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:57:02pm |
re: #8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
WASPs
WASPs hate it when people use ugly racial language, except for drunk frat-boy WASPs. It isn't refined.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:57:14pm |
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:57:18pm |
re: #298 Racer X
He hasn't been to Burning Man, yet. WUB~~Is there internet connection out there?
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:57:41pm |
re: #296 prairiefire
Thank you. I concur.
I wish I were wrong, but we've seen it come out against Blacks, Hispanics, and Muslims. And we all know where it's coming from.
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MittDoesNotCompute Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:58:19pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:58:22pm |
re: #279 Decider
No they won't. That would cost them more viewers than they would gain, so they won't do it.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:58:41pm |
re: #291 SanFranciscoZionist
However, I'm pretty sure she wouldn't be so tolerant if Helen Thomas said it.
All about the speaker. You outta know that. I am amazed she or whoever is tweeting for her is doing this. Do they think that people have forgotten how pissy she got when Emanuel used the word retard and when Family Guy referenced her by having a character with Downs Syndrome whose mother was the former governor of Alaska.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:58:51pm |
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What, me worry? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:58:59pm |
re: #306 JasonA
I wish I were wrong, but we've seen it come out against Blacks, Hispanics, and Muslims. And we all know where it's coming from.
The liberal elite?
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Sheila Broflovski Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:59:01pm |
re: #302 Cato the Elder
You, as a man, have the right to use your man-power in the form of a .22 on them.
If you don't, that means your an even better man than I thought.
I'm not a man.
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:59:37pm |
Eeep. I had to step back for a bit. I spent a long time at the doctor's office about this spider bite.
Got a hip-shot of testosterone.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 18, 2010 7:59:45pm |
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:00:12pm |
re: #315 Alouette
I'm not a man.
Oh, pardon. I had just finished reading a comment by Aceofwhat? and my eye was confused.
Still, as a woman, you have every bit as much right to a nice .22 rifle.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:00:27pm |
Staten Island, sacred ground? Robert Spencer was there to stir up the hate.
The tenor of the inquiry became so fraught that the meeting eventually collapsed in shouting around 11 p.m., prompting the police and security guards to ask everyone to leave.
But just 20 minutes earlier, as Bill Finnegan stood at the microphone, came the meeting’s single moment of hushed silence. Mr. Finnegan said he was a Marine lance corporal, home from Afghanistan, where he had worked as a mediator with warring tribes.
After the sustained standing ovation that followed his introduction, he turned to the Muslims on the panel: “My question to you is, will you work to form a cohesive bond with the people of this community?” The men said yes.
Then he turned to the crowd. “And will you work to form a cohesive bond with these people — your new neighbors?”
The crowd erupted in boos. “No!” someone shouted.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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Decider Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:00:32pm |
re: #299 MandyManners
I predict that I'll be calling you a fucking idiot within the next two seconds.
YOU FUCKIN IDIOT.
Another "Fair and Balanced" viewer.
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What, me worry? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:00:34pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:00:51pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:01:02pm |
re: #316 MandyManners
Eeep. I had to step back for a bit. I spent a long time at the doctor's office about this spider bite.
Got a hip-shot of testosterone.
Glad you got it taken care of, Mady.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:01:09pm |
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:01:17pm |
SawahPawinUSA @America: Celebrate diversity! Racist are people too. B grateful 4 their voices!
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:01:31pm |
Uh oh. I think Stewart's going after Fox' donations.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:01:36pm |
A little skunk is a kit.
Here's the enormous full list of baby animal names from ZooBorns.
A baby oyster is called a "spat" interestingly enough.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:01:50pm |
re: #316 MandyManners
Eeep. I had to step back for a bit. I spent a long time at the doctor's office about this spider bite.
Got a hip-shot of testosterone.
Mandy on testosterone?!
Run! Hide!
//
{{Mandy}}
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:02:56pm |
re: #318 prairiefire
No way. What about infection?
Keeping an eye on it. Gonna' get a tetanus whot tomorrow.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:02:57pm |
re: #331 Shiplord Kirel
My wife and I have one of those from time to time. But it never made the dinner plate...
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:03:07pm |
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jaunte Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:03:55pm |
re: #331 Shiplord Kirel
Turkey / poult is one I hadn't heard of.
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Digital Display Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:04:07pm |
re: #316 MandyManners
Eeep. I had to step back for a bit. I spent a long time at the doctor's office about this spider bite.
Got a hip-shot of testosterone.
I read this morning..I'm so sorry..I got a bite under my arm a few years ago camping out in..Bites are very serious..I ending up doing some Steroid thing for 15 days...Be well my friend and get better!
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:04:34pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:04:36pm |
re: #322 Decider
Don't mock Mandy, noob. She'll kick your ass up between your shoulder blades.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:04:45pm |
re: #335 WindUpBird
You killed a guy with a trident!
I saw that. Brick killed a guy. Been meaning to tell you about that Brick. Find a friend or relative and lie low for a few weeks because you're probably wanted for murder.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:05:44pm |
re: #341 HappyWarrior
I saw that. Brick killed a guy. Been meaning to tell you about that Brick. Find a friend or relative and lie low for a few weeks because you're probably wanted for murder.
i believe that 'Diversity' was an old, old Civil War ship...
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:05:52pm |
re: #340 Dark_Falcon
Don't mock Mandy, noob. She'll kick your ass up between your shoulder blades.
But I mock her with impunity.
She's never been a match for me.
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:06:15pm |
re: #331 Shiplord Kirel
A little skunk is a kit.
Here's the enormous full list of baby animal names from ZooBorns.A baby oyster is called a "spat" interestingly enough.
That's Kirel. So it turns out Alouette's going to have skunk kits running around his lawn in a month or so.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:06:28pm |
Adorable little varmints but I prefer to keep my distance.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:06:59pm |
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:07:06pm |
re: #324 Cannadian Club Akbar
Your testicles are gonna shrink.
/
I'll have to consider re-decorating.
I have Dickhead's left testicle...
Oh, forget it.
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:07:21pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:07:30pm |
re: #343 Cato the Elder
But I mock her with impunity.
She's never been a match for me.
You're different, Cato. Even when you're attacking someone, you're trying to make a point. You're not just being a trolling asshole.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:07:45pm |
re: #345 Shiplord Kirel
Adorable little varmints but I prefer to keep my distance.
Can't you remove their stink glands and have them as pets?
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jaunte Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:08:13pm |
re: #350 Cannadian Club Akbar
I recommend paying someone else to do it.
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Decider Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:08:28pm |
re: #340 Dark_Falcon
Don't mock Mandy, noob. She'll kick your ass up between your shoulder blades.
Before or after the Sean Hannity show?
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MandyManners Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:08:36pm |
re: #322 Decider
Another "Fair and Balanced" viewer.
Another person who assumes facts not in evidence.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:08:40pm |
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:08:46pm |
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:09:33pm |
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:10:40pm |
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Aceofwhat? Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:12:08pm |
well, on the 'furry buddha' note, i must bid you à demain, mes amis...
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:12:11pm |
Speaking of critters in the backyard, this is my very favorite TV commercial:
I laughed harder than I have since the first time I saw Mars Attacks!
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:12:52pm |
I think we have good gun/property rights in the USA. In Britain, you will be hacked to death with a knife, defenseless, while they steal all of your property.
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Mocking Jay Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:14:12pm |
re: #360 prairiefire
I think we have good gun/property rights in the USA. In Britain, you will be hacked to death with a knife, defenseless, while they steal all of your property.
Not if you have a katana...
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Racer X Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:14:40pm |
Yeppers, some spider bites can be nasty!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:14:59pm |
re: #360 prairiefire
I think we have good gun/property rights in the USA. In Britain, you will be hacked to death with a knife, defenseless, while they steal all of your property.
I Florida, if you're walking down the road and a guy pulls a knife you can shoot them without trying to get away first.
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Digital Display Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:15:31pm |
I am not only watching Hard Knocks on HBO..I am recording every dirty word on TIVO..This really is scandalous in the Sports world..Reality TV with x rated words every 2 seconds...Who Knew? Somebody said this was the real under belly of sports today..TIVO Baby...HBO now
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freetoken Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:16:24pm |
Not sure anyone mentioned this yet today, but remember that Farah turned on sweet lil' old Coulter?
Well, now he's done it again - to Glenn Beck!
Beck doesn't care about one of the most blatant and despicable examples of judicial tyranny in the history of our country. He doesn't care about the institution of marriage and its 5,000-year history. He doesn't care that the Bible says God created marriage way back in Genesis and that Jesus affirmed that. He doesn't care that the family is the building block of a society and that smarter men have explained how you simply can't have freedom and self-governance without it. He also doesn't seem to care about what might become of children adopted into such unions.
That, my friends, is the perfect illustration of what's wrong with the materialist worldview – whether it is held by a raving Marxist or a conservative entertainer.
These die hard ideologues, like their kin everywhere, can't tolerate even 1% dissent in their ranks.
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Daniel Ballard Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:16:28pm |
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Mr.Boots Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:16:53pm |
re: #41 negative
On Larry King Live, she moaned and lamented that people threaten to boycott her sponsors because they don't like what she says, which she says constitutes a violation of her First Amendment rights.
As far as I can tell, she still has every right she ever had. That doesn't mean anyone is required to listen to it, nor does it mean any radio station or sponsor thereof is required to fund and facilitate her doing so. That's the way radio has worked for decades. Just ask Howard Stern.
Isn't the Libertarian principle? She can say what she wants, but people have the right to buoycott her by witholding their money. Didn't Rand Paul say something to that effect about patronizing businesses that discriminate racially.
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:17:11pm |
re: #363 Cannadian Club Akbar
I Florida, if you're walking down the road and a guy pulls a knife you can shoot them without trying to get away first.
That is like women being able to run the red lights in Puerto Rico after sun down.
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:17:34pm |
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:18:37pm |
re: #352 Decider
After she makes you perform the rope trick. :P
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:19:10pm |
re: #365 freetoken
Not sure anyone mentioned this yet today, but remember that Farah turned on sweet lil' old Coulter?
Well, now he's done it again - to Glenn Beck!
These die hard ideologues, like their kin everywhere, can't tolerate even 1% dissent in their ranks.
Heh Beck has one brief moment of sanity and Farah is upset that he's not insane enough. Seriously cry me a river Farah.
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webevintage Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:19:52pm |
re: #345 Shiplord Kirel
Adorable little varmints but I prefer to keep my distance.
the cuteness is overwhelming...they could take over the world...
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Dark_Falcon Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:20:59pm |
re: #365 freetoken
Not sure anyone mentioned this yet today, but remember that Farah turned on sweet lil' old Coulter?
Well, now he's done it again - to Glenn Beck!
These die hard ideologues, like their kin everywhere, can't tolerate even 1% dissent in their ranks.
Memo to Mr. Farrah: When both Glen Beck and Ann Coulter are saying that your SoCon position is a loser, you might want to reconsider it.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:21:14pm |
re: #255 LudwigVanQuixote
Going back to eye for an eye tooth for a tooth.
Earlier, I had explained that the following verse "G-d says vengeance is mine" means that the entire thought is that absolute justice which will actually balance all things is solely in the province of God and that men should not seek vengeance because humans can never administer perfect justice.
From this, we have the notion of measure for measure. That G-d's justice is in perfect measure with your sins.
So taking a delicious and completely tongue in cheek (while being slightly blasphemous) wink at Dante, I ask what should Sarah Palin's punishment be, measure for measure.
1. She is forced to take algebra and trigonometry exams while the spirits of Einstein, Feynman and Newton mock her, In true measure for measure, I am pretty certain the Feynman at least would take a perverse glee in that.
2. The all the Arabic mathematicians who helped develop algebra mock her.
3. Then she is taught algebra. She is given through God's power the capacity to get it. Then she understands for herself why she was mocked.
4. The process is repeated with the subjects of history, literature, economics and geography.
5. Then she is made pregnant with an ectopic pregnancy and dies again horribly, denied an abortion while listening to her old speeches about no abortions for any reason.
6. Then she gets to live as a Black and a Hispanic and a Jew and a Muslim
in America. Bonus points for getting abused by Az thugs for being Hispanic, and then having to listen to her old speeches. Bonus points for when she is Black and called the N word and gets to hear her old defense of it.7. Then she can live on land raped by industry.
8. And be poor.
9. And be ill and without health care
10. And then after all that she can be given sharp high voltage shocks every time she winks or says you betcha.
You left out the part where she has to explain speciation and how we can get something from nothing.
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:21:16pm |
re: #372 webevintage
the cuteness is overwhelming...they could take over the world...
I've seen 'em a few times, waddling behind their mother, in a single line. Crushingly cute, yes.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:26:44pm |
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prairiefire Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:26:58pm |
Sign senator Al Frankin's petition to save Net Neutrality:[Link: www.alfranken.com...]
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:31:33pm |
re: #53 Gus 802
Ah yes. The old "why can't white people use the n-word if black people use it" argument. What a bunch of fools. Not all black people use the n-word.
Last I checked didn't seem like many people were demanding that Schlesinger be fired. The whole things smells like a damage control publicity stunt.
Her PhD is in physiology not psychology. Damn, this country is populated by airheads -- even people with advanced degrees.
I tell my black students that if their parents allow them to use that word at home, that's not my business, and if they use it on the street with their friends, that's not my business, but if I hear it in the classroom, you will be corrected, because Mrs. SFZ was properly raised, and that word offends her.
And sometimes I tell them the story of an encounter I once saw between a black busdriver of a certain age, and a middle-school girl who didn't understand that not everyone takes the n word as a synonym for 'buddy'.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:32:11pm |
re: #59 negativ
Can you imagine if they had Twitter during WWII?
I think someone did a games version of that.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:33:22pm |
re: #72 Gus 802
If a white person uses the n-word the personality/social scale ranges from douche-bag to neo-Nazi/White Supremacist/Klan member.
Or, sixteen-year-old rap fan with indulgent friends.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:36:28pm |
re: #101 Cato the Elder
Well, a lot of them do, but that is their right. It's a well-known psychological effect: people scourged with hateful words adopt them, often, as a badge of honor and a way of saying "you can't make us feel bad with that shit anymore". Of course it still makes them feel bad when people use the word as originally intended; it's a defense mechanism, nothing more.
I also know Jews who call each other "Hebes" and even the K-word. Doesn't give me the right.
I, OTOH, reserve the right to tell them to fucking stop that shit.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:37:36pm |
re: #109 MandyManners
YES! YES! YES! YES! YES!
I don't like it but, people have the right to do this.
Sure, but not on an on-air show owned by someone else who's losing money over it.
Fred has to organize his own demos.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:38:17pm |
re: #110 Conservative Moonbat
Actually the Chappelle sketch about the blind black guy who thinks he's white and joins the KKK is a brilliant commentary on who can and cant say the n-word in what contexts in our society.
That sketch is freakin' art.
So is Huckleberry Finn. But you have to know what you're doing, and be prepared to upset a lot of people.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:44:40pm |
re: #201 Jeff In Ohio
Chappelle lives in Dayton. A good friend of mine has a kid in the same grade/school his kid goes. She reports he is a gentleman and doting father.
I think he's funny as shit and as edgy as Lenny Bruce. His presidential skit is a bit unnerving.
Chappelle has always talked, as well, about his concerns that what he's doing be challenging, rather than reinforcing, of stereotypes. One of my favorite sketches of his is the 'racial pick' one, where various ethnic groups get to lay claim to people they want.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 18, 2010 8:55:47pm |
re: #297 Stanley Sea
Or if Dr. Laura had said retard 11 times.
Actually, she was deferential when Rush did it.
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Gus Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:04:55pm |
re: #380 SanFranciscoZionist
Or, sixteen-year-old rap fan with indulgent friends.
I had some 19 year old suburban white kids as neighbors that used to call themselves that all the time. Guess that was a trend for a while. Thought it was odd but it seemed kind of natural to them. They liked rap and hip-hop too.
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:07:55pm |
re: #381 SanFranciscoZionist
I, OTOH, reserve the right to tell them to fucking stop that shit.
For the record, SFZ, I have never, ever heard anyone from our group use those words for one another. Either seriously or in jest.
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Fozzie Bear Wed, Aug 18, 2010 9:28:04pm |
re: #47 Max D. Reinhardt
Here's some wisdom from Twitter:
Hits the nail on the Shrieking Harpy's hair extensions.
That's not wisdom dude. The guy is criticizing Geller's inconsistent hatred of Islam. The man is mocking her because she is insufficiently bigoted for his tastes. Some other tweets from this waste of perfectly good oxygen:
[Link: twitter.com...]
The ground zero mosque controversy has nothing to do with any bloggers. It's Islam and its inherent desire to dominate which upsets people.
[Link: twitter.com...]
Any ground zero protester who is alright with the ground zero mosque being moved elsewhere has missed the point.
[Link: twitter.com...]
It's a shame the #MSM is giving someone with no real principles or backbone on Islam undo credit for the ground zero mosque controversy
[Link: twitter.com...]
@BillandWilma You need to read the Qur'an, Hadith, Hamas Charter, and Fatah Constitution and study Islamic/Arab propaganda.
[Link: twitter.com...]
. @BillandWilma Since its founding, Islam promotes hatred/violence toward non-Muslims. That's the nature of the conflict.
[Link: twitter.com...]
. @Park51 If you're not building a mosque (which is what you claimed yesterday), y are u linking to "fact check" articles which claim u are?
You are following some sick, sick motherfuckers, Max.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 18, 2010 10:06:17pm |
re: #388 eclectic infidel
For the record, SFZ, I have never, ever heard anyone from our group use those words for one another. Either seriously or in jest.
Oh, our guys wouldn't. Hell no. It's a pretentious hipster thing.
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steve Thu, Aug 19, 2010 2:50:04am |
I went to Media Matters, listened to and read the transcripts and for some odd reason I cannot see what the fuss is about.
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Areopagitica Thu, Aug 19, 2010 9:54:40am |
Dear god, good 'ole Sarah needs a civics lesson. No state or federal entity took Dr. Dumbass off the air or censored her. Her show is sponsored by corporations and some pissed off folks had enough and lobbied the sponsors to drop Dr. L.
It really is freaking scary that Palin, with her incredible ability to say stupid crap that people scoop up like ice cream, was almost the VP.
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im_gumby_damnit Thu, Aug 19, 2010 2:09:22pm |
I honestly can't say who I find more annoying, Dr. Laura or Sarah Palin. They both make my hair hurt.
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ClaudeMonet Thu, Aug 19, 2010 8:46:43pm |
re: #18 freetoken
Them. You know who they are.
Yes, it's all the fault of us Joos.
re: #25 marjoriemoon
In an early Iowa poll, Palin is at number 4 out of favorite Republicans. Me thinks her shine is wearing off.
"Shine" is probably a word that Sarah is fond of using, so far in private. It has, uh, certain racial connotations.
re: #35 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
1. Mike Huckabee
2. Mitt Romney
3. Newt Gingrich
4. Sarah Palin
5. Ron PaulOh yeah, this is gonna be brutal.
#2 there is the only I can even think of supporting.
re: #64 theheat
With faux feminist friends like Dr. Laura, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Ann Coulter, and Sharron Angle at the helm, who needs enemies?
These women epitomize the worst that's out there. Time and time again they put their best bitchface forward and attack and demean another group of people, then play victim and hug it out with each other in the media, in some fucked up socon saccharin sisterhood gesture.
Piss on the whole sanctimonious lot.
Amen. First they act like the worst of men, then they hide behind their gender. Memo to all of them: You want to play with the boys, you can't then hide behind being a girl.
re: #79 marjoriemoon
I'm confused. You think it's part of Dr. Laura's freedom of speech to spout off racist slurs whenever she feels like?
Absolutely. It's also the right of potential listeners to not listen, and the right of those who employ her or contract with her to not put her on the air. Hate all you want, preach hatred all you want, but don't ask others to give you a broadcast pulpit.
re: #125 Cato the Elder
Don't forget the effete intellectual snobs.
I believe it was "effete, intellectual elite", and they're still around, as are the "nattering nabobs of negativism", although those of c. 1969 are nothing compared to the ones out there now.
re: #216 jaunte
Karl Popper was right.
Always remember that it is impossible to speak in such a way that you cannot be misunderstood: there will always be some who misunderstand you.
Is that a direct quote from Popper? I love it, even if it is also known as the Army Law: "Any order that can be misunderstood will be misunderstood."
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cliffster Thu, Aug 19, 2010 8:49:46pm |
re: #394 ClaudeMonet
That's officially the most lazyass post ever made.
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jaunte Thu, Aug 19, 2010 8:53:40pm |
re: #394 ClaudeMonet
Is that a direct quote from Popper? I love it, even if it is also known as the Army Law: "Any order that can be misunderstood will be misunderstood."
Yes, it's in this:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
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ClaudeMonet Thu, Aug 19, 2010 8:55:17pm |
re: #230 negativ
Little-known fact: John Williams is a thief, having stolen everything he's famous for from Igor Stravinsky (the first scenes of the droids shambling across the Tattooine desert are lifted directly, almost note-for-note, from The Rite of Spring), Gustav Mahler, and Sergei Prokofiev. The cantina music is Raymond Scott through and through.
He's a recycler. He recycles many composers the way Andrew Lloyd Webber recycles Puccini. IIRC, Williams explained the cantina music as what aliens would play if they came across some Benny Goodman arrangements with no idea of the instruments.
re: #248 Dark_Falcon
Actually, that's one of the few positive things we can say about them: Their families had someone serving in this war in an active theater. That doesn't atone for their awful words, but its worth something.
Perhaps not so honorably, though. It appears that Dr. Laura's son is in deep doo-doo over things he said, did, or posted.
re: #255 LudwigVanQuixote
5. Then she is made pregnant with an ectopic pregnancy and dies again horribly, denied an abortion while listening to her old speeches about no abortions for any reason.
I go along with the rest of your post (not quoted here), but this one is just a little too far for me.
re: #385 SanFranciscoZionist
Chappelle has always talked, as well, about his concerns that what he's doing be challenging, rather than reinforcing, of stereotypes. One of my favorite sketches of his is the 'racial pick' one, where various ethnic groups get to lay claim to people they want.
Perhaps the worst feature in our local weekly Jewish paper (other than the perpetual glorification of our richest families, usually because they're local and rich) is "Jewz In the Newz", which consists mainly of Jewish, semi-Jewish, almost-Jewish, and wannabe-Jewish celebrities and no-talent "entertainers" and their latest ventures. So-called singers and actors with a Jewish step-parent, non-Jewish "performers" who "identify" with something vaguely Jewish, who's "just discovered" they have a Jewish great-grandparent, and all kinds of similar crap. Am I supposed to support them more because they have some tenuous connection to my ethnic group in lieu of talent?
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ClaudeMonet Thu, Aug 19, 2010 9:44:36pm |
re: #395 cliffster
That's officially the most lazyass post ever made.
I never said I wasn't a lazyass. I do as little as necessary to get by in life. I try to balance out all the people who can't enjoy being still.
However, I have to ask--Would I be considered less of a lazyass if I responded to each post separately?
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