AP Tells Staff to Stop Using ‘Ground Zero Mosque’

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Most of the media have uncritically adopted the term “Ground Zero Mosque,” a dishonest, inflammatory phrase coined by bigots. It’s a disgrace.

Today the Associated Press finally issued a directive telling staff to stop enabling the Bigot Brigade. (Not in so many words, of course.)

The Associated Press, one of world’s most powerful news organizations, issued a memo today advising staff to avoid� the phrase “Ground Zero mosque.”

The Upshot reported Tuesday that the AP started using the phrase “Ground Zero mosque” in some headlines in late May. Other news organizations, such as the New York Times, have avoided that phrasing. …

The AP has always been clear in the text of stories that the project would be built two blocks from Ground Zero and not on the actual site. But AP headlines, at times, ran with the phrase adopted by opponents of the project and amplified by the media. Now the news organization is taking steps to make sure that no longer occurs.

“We should continue to avoid the phrase�’ground zero mosque’ or�’mosque at ground zero’ on all platforms, said Tom Kent, the AP’s deputy managing editor for standards and production, in the memo the news organization shared with The Upshot. …

“The site of the proposed Islamic center and mosque is not at ground zero, but two blocks away in a busy commercial area,” Kent continued. “We should continue to say it’s ‘near’ ground zero, or two blocks away.”

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125 comments

1 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:10:45am

A glimmer of sanity... At last!

All I ask, is the news media do their job and report the news... accurately.

2 tnguitarist  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:11:44am
We should continue to say it’s ‘near’ ground zero, or two blocks away

Just say it's two blocks away and be done with it.

3 TedStriker  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:11:54am

A little common sense from the AP (which hasn't shown much of it sometimes), but, at this point, it's like closing the barn door after the horse got out.

The right-wing wingnuts will still use that vapid phrase every time they have the chance...

4 Political Atheist  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:11:54am

Too little too late. The damage was already done quite some time ago.

5 darthstar  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:12:24am

That means we'll see shit like "The Park51 community center, which its detractors like to refer to as "The Ground Zero Mosque," continues to be the center of the controversy about whether it is appropriate for a mosque to be built so close to the site of the September 11 attacks..."

6 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:12:36am

about frakkin time.

7 webevintage  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:12:50am

OMG!!!!!! The Mooslims are taking away the AP'as free speech.
Quick get President Palin and Dr. Laura!
TERROR BABIES!!!!!!!
//

I hope the rest of the media follows suit.
I'd like to hear it called "the community center with a mosque in it".

8 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:13:01am

re: #1 bloodstar

A glimmer of sanity... At last!

All I ask, is the news media do their job and report the news... accurately.

You want the moon on a stick you do.

9 Kragar  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:13:13am

re: #3 talon_262

A little common sense from the AP (which hasn't shown much of it sometimes), but, at this point, it's like closing the barn door after the horse got out.

The right-wing wingnuts will still use that vapid phrase every time they have the chance...

They're moving to Hamasque now.

10 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:13:48am
11 Political Atheist  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:13:58am

re: #2 tnguitarist

Just say it's two blocks away and be done with it.

Just what I would would like to see them do.

12 darthstar  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:14:30am

re: #1 bloodstar

A glimmer of sanity... At last!

All I ask, is the news media do their job and report the news... accurately.

Don't worry, they will, once the blood starts flowing...but they haven't riled people up enough yet for that to happen.

13 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:16:50am

re: #8 wozzablog

You want the moon on a stick you do.

What's the old saying? Aim for the moon, cause even if you miss, you'll still reach the stars. (or something like that)

The more we express our higher standards and are vocal about the expectations, the better the chance that someone will actually listen to us. I've given up on the idea that people will do the right thing, particularly in the media. Instead, we have to remind them that they have a responsibility and obligation to report and inform, not promote lies and disinformation. I don't expect perfection, but I do expect better than what we've gotten from them up to this point.

Yes, I'm an idealist. :)

14 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:16:57am

re: #3 talon_262

A little common sense from the AP (which hasn't shown much of it sometimes), but, at this point, it's like closing the barn door after the horse got out.

The right-wing wingnuts will still use that vapid phrase every time they have the chance...

Well, I wouldn't label Fox News reporters as wingnuts...

15 Filala  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:17:22am

Just call it the Victory Mosque, because that's what it means to racial Muslims all over the world.

16 RadicalModerate  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:17:47am

re: #10 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't get this. Since both France and Romania are part of the European Union, I was under the impression that part of that confederation was that citizens were free to move between member nations and live wherever they wanted.

17 rwdflynavy  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:18:32am

re: #16 RadicalModerate

I don't get this. Since both France and Romania are part of the European Union, I was under the impression that part of that confederation was that citizens were free to move between member nations and live wherever they wanted.

They are. The Roma are taking the opportunity to get paid to leave France, then come right back.

18 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:18:36am

'Ground Zero' Imam: I am a Jew, I have always been one.

In 2003, Imam Rauf was invited to speak at a memorial service for Daniel Pearl, the journalist murdered by Islamist terrorists in Pakistan. The service was held at B'nai Jeshurun, a prominent synagogue in Manhattan, and in the audience was Judea Pearl, Daniel Pearl's father. In his remarks, Rauf identified absolutely with Pearl, and identified himself absolutely with the ethical tradition of Judaism. "I am a Jew," he said.

There are those who would argue that these represent mere words, chosen carefully to appease a postentially suspicious audience. I would argue something different: That any Muslim imam who stands before a Jewish congregation and says, "I am a Jew," is placing his life in danger. Remember, Islamists hate the people they consider apostates even more than they hate Christians and Jews. In other words, the man many commentators on the right assert is a terrorist-sympathizer placed himself in mortal peril in order to identify himself with Christians and Jews, and specifically with the most famous Jewish victim of Islamism.

19 darthstar  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:18:50am

re: #15 Filala

Just call it the Victory Mosque, because that's what it means to racial Muslims all over the world.

Where the hell are all these assholes coming from?

20 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:19:13am

re: #15 Filala

Oh? Spoken to all of them, have you?

21 Kragar  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:19:20am

re: #15 Filala

You are stupid.

22 tnguitarist  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:19:46am

re: #15 Filala

Just call it the Victory Mosque, because that's what it means to racial Muslims all over the world.

Is there some fucking cave that you assholes crawl out of? When one goes down, does your leader send out the next one? You fight like movie ninjas: one at a time.

23 Killgore Trout  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:19:56am

Manhatan Madrassa? Burlington Burka Factory?

24 kilroy  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:20:36am

"Two" always sounded close. The media uses terms like two million,two billion or two trillion and many don't fathom the difference. How far away is this, 350feet, 775 feet or 1575 feet? Anybody know?

25 Filala  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:20:45am

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You are a idealistic fool.

26 Kragar  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:20:48am

re: #15 Filala

And what the hell is a racial Muslim anyways?

27 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:20:53am

re: #15 Filala

wokka wokka wokka

28 tnguitarist  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:21:02am

re: #23 Killgore Trout

Burlington Burka Factory?

Can Charles set up a double-ding for special occasions? I'd use it here.

29 deranged cat  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:21:06am

good for them, albeit a tad too late.

30 tnguitarist  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:21:32am

re: #25 Filala

You are a idealistic fool.

While you are just a fool.

31 Nick Schroeder  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:21:32am

re: #15 Filala

Just call it the Victory Mosque, because that's what it means to racial Muslims all over the world.

"Racial Muslims"? Not that I think your answer would make any sense, but what the hell does that even mean?

32 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:21:33am

re: #19 darthstar

Where the hell are all these assholes coming from?

I'll give you one guess.

33 PapaWhisky  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:21:49am

re: #15 Filala

what the hell is a racial muslim ?

34 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:21:52am

re: #19 darthstar

From under the nearest dung heap would be my guess. Sure have been a lot of them this morning. Must have been something Rush said.

35 webevintage  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:21:56am

re: #15 Filala

Or we could call it TERROR BABY MOSQUE OF DOOM!
/

36 Filala  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:22:48am

re: #31 Nick Schroeder

Muslims who take everything in the Koran as the literal word of Allah.

37 Obdicut  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:23:02am

re: #10 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Whoa. Howabout this?

It's part of the larger rise of Fascism in Europe, but yeah, the Gypsies-- known also as the Roma-- have been the most persecuted group in Europe for years and years and years.

My wife is part Roma.


Those repatriated Thursday left "on a voluntary basis" and were given small sums of money — euro300 ($386) for each adult and euro100 for children — to help them get back on their feet in their home country, a standard French practice, officials said.

This is a lie, of course.

In Italy, the camps of the Roma are being burned, murders of Roma are going unprosecuted. And in Romania, their children are still taken away for 're-education'.

There is no end to the persecution of the Roma. And most of Europe remains silent on it.

And the defense, of course, is that the Roma (who have suffered centuries of slavery, serfdom, imprisonment, ostracism, and mass-murder) have a lot of criminals in their population. Which is true-- because they've been economically and socially ostracized and ghettoized for years. Not to mentio having their children stolen, being forced to get abortions, and being forcibly sterilized.

It's a fucking crime against humanity.

38 Kragar  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:23:06am

re: #25 Filala

No, I'm a cynic who is tired of idiots who pander to hate and idiotic reasoning.

39 webevintage  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:23:26am

re: #22 tnguitarist

Is there some fucking cave that you assholes crawl out of? When one goes down, does your leader send out the next one? You fight like movie ninjas: one at a time.

It's the internet game of tag team morons....

40 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:24:10am

re: #39 webevintage

It's the internet game of tag team MORANS!...

fify

41 Kragar  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:24:10am

re: #36 Filala

The word you're grasping for is "RADICAL" you dummy.

42 Obdicut  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:24:16am

re: #17 rwdflynavy

They are. The Roma are taking the opportunity to get paid to leave France, then come right back.

Yeah. Life is full of wonderful opportunities for the Roma to be disposessed, their camps burned, their possessions confiscated, and their children taken.

Life is a fucking holiday when you're a Roma.
///

43 PapaWhisky  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:24:21am

re: #36 Filala

Muslims who take everything in the Koran as the literal word of Allah.

This means 20% of Americans are racial Christians ?? Oh .. the mind reels !

44 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:24:23am

re: #15 Filala

I'm guessing you were going for the word "radical" and not "racial". If not, that's an odd statement.

45 webevintage  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:24:51am

re: #36 Filala

hmmmmm, I wonder what we should call Christians who take ever word in the bible as the literal word of God?

46 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:25:20am

Did Sarah get the memo?

/stab in the groin?

47 darthstar  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:25:39am

re: #36 Filala

Muslims who take everything in the Koran as the literal word of Allah.

And what about Christians who believe that everything in the Bible is the literal word of God?

48 celticdragon  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:26:08am
The Associated Press, one of world’s most powerful news organizations, issued a memo today advising staff to avoid the phrase “Ground Zero mosque.”

Shrieks of wingnut outrage at the "Librul Lamestream Media" in 5...4..3...2...

49 Filala  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:26:32am

re: #38 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #22 tnguitarist

What an elegant post, not

50 darthstar  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:26:39am

re: #45 webevintage

hmmm, I wonder what we should call Christians who take ever word in the bible as the literal word of God?

racials
//

51 Gus  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:27:04am

re: #15 Filala

Just call it the Victory Mosque, because that's what it means to racial Muslims all over the world.

A) It's not a mosque.
B) It's not a mosque.
C) It's not a mosque.

52 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:27:14am

re: #41 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The word you're grasping for is "RADICAL" you dummy.

This person is too stupid to insult. I mean, really bottom of the barrel in the intelligence department.

53 tnguitarist  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:27:15am

re: #49 Filala

re: #22 tnguitarist

What an elegant post, not

Borat?

54 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:27:29am

re: #49 Filala

re: #22 tnguitarist

What an elegant post, not

I mean... come on!

55 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:27:38am

re: #49 Filala

re: #22 tnguitarist

What an elegant post, not

(blows raspberry)

56 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:27:38am

re: #53 tnguitarist

Borat?

Yoda!

57 deranged cat  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:27:40am

just one troll after another, huh?

58 spikester  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:27:42am

re: #47 darthstar

yah like the Christians that strap on bombs and go to ___________

59 ShaunP  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:27:50am

re: #53 tnguitarist

Borat?

High five...

60 Kragar  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:27:50am

re: #49 Filala

re: #22 tnguitarist

What an elegant post, not

Quite the rapist wit you have.

61 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:28:19am

re: #58 spikester

yah like the Christians that strap on bombs and go to ___

Or the ones that murder abortion doctors in the church lobby?

62 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:28:25am

re: #37 Obdicut

Where have I heard of that before?

Image: chelmno2.jpg

Oh. That.

Well, at least this time the photos will be in color...
/

63 Filala  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:28:46am

re: #41 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

64 rwdflynavy  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:29:02am

re: #51 Gus 802

A) It's not a mosque.
B) It's not a mosque.
C) It's not a mosque.

It's a mosque like the YMCA is a church.

65 celticdragon  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:29:02am

re: #15 Filala

I see we have another long lost non-posting prodigal who mysteriously shows up from 2007.

How convenient.

66 webevintage  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:29:09am

re: #61 JasonA

Or the ones that murder abortion doctors in the church lobby?

Have none of these folks heard of the IRA?

BBL

67 jaunte  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:29:19am

Net ball.

68 William Barnett-Lewis  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:29:21am

re: #22 tnguitarist

Is there some fucking cave that you assholes crawl out of? When one goes down, does your leader send out the next one? You fight like movie ninjas: one at a time.

More like Nonjas...

69 PapaWhisky  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:29:25am

re: #51 Gus 802

A) It's not a mosque.
B) It's not a mosque.
C) It's not a mosque.

It's not the point ... Even if it were a mosque, who cares?

OK .. every one apparently cares ...

But who should care? If they want to go ass-up 5 time a day in a coat shop .. .wtf cares???

70 spikester  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:29:27am

re: #61 JasonA

yah been a lot of that on the news in the past 10 years

71 Obdicut  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:30:22am

re: #62 negativ

Indeed. Like these:

[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]


The survey, published as mobs in Naples burned down Gypsy camps this week, revealed that the majority also wanted all Gypsy camps in Italy to be demolished .

Young Neapolitans who threw Molotov cocktails into a Naples Gypsy camp this week, after a girl was accused of trying to abduct a baby, bragged that they were undertaking "ethnic cleansing".


Commenting on the attacks in Naples, Umberto Bossi, the head of the Northern League party said: "People are going to do what the political class cannot."

Fucking fascists.

72 rwdflynavy  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:30:27am

re: #42 Obdicut

Yeah. Life is full of wonderful opportunities for the Roma to be disposessed, their camps burned, their possessions confiscated, and their children taken.

Life is a fucking holiday when you're a Roma.
///


I agree the Roma have been treated terribly and continue to be, I was just pointing out they are taking advantage of the obvious loophole. Good on them!

73 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:31:08am

Is this a parody troll?

It's has got to be one, nobody this stupid is capable of using a computer.

///

74 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:31:25am

re: #58 spikester

yah like the Christians that strap on bombs and go to ___

Must not a heard of the LRA in Uganda then...............

75 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:31:58am

re: #70 spikester

yah been a lot of that on the news in the past 10 years

First of all, you can take your arbitrary "ten years" and shove it.
Second... [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

76 Obdicut  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:32:11am

re: #72 rwdflynavy

I agree the Roma have been treated terribly and continue to be, I was just pointing out they are taking advantage of the obvious loophole. Good on them!

No, it's really not good. They're pressured into taking the money and leaving even when they have possessions worth far more that they have to leave behind. Furthermore, they attempt to interdict them before they return, and they hope that by dispersing the camps, and breaking up families, they can prevent the Roma from coming back.

77 Nervous Norvous  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:32:14am

Anybody who sent me an email about an LGF guild so far has been replied to...just wanted to let you know.

Later

78 PapaWhisky  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:32:34am

re: #61 JasonA

Or the ones that murder abortion doctors in the church lobby?

I'm not into defending any religion here. But let's not compare Christian extremist violence with Muslim extremist violence.

That's not a comparison easily won

79 Charles Johnson  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:32:34am

re: #15 Filala

That's your last comment at my website.

80 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:32:37am

re: #73 Reginald Perrin

Is this a parody troll?

It's has got to be one, nobody this stupid is capable of using a computer.

///

Invoking Poe's Law?

81 uncah91  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:33:05am

re: #69 PapaWhisky

It's not the point ... Even if it were a mosque, who cares?

OK .. every one apparently cares ...

But who should care? If they want to go ass-up 5 time a day in a coat shop .. .wtf cares???

I think people care about the facts in this case simply because it proves that the people objecting to Park51 have been lying from the start. And make up more lies as time goes by.

82 Gus  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:33:10am

re: #73 Reginald Perrin

Is this a parody troll?

It's has got to be one, nobody this stupid is capable of using a computer.

///

Could be a The Pam Geller Parody-Bot 2000™

Woops! Problem solved.

83 rwdflynavy  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:33:19am

re: #76 Obdicut

No, it's really not good. They're pressured into taking the money and leaving even when they have possessions worth far more that they have to leave behind. Furthermore, they attempt to interdict them before they return, and they hope that by dispersing the camps, and breaking up families, they can prevent the Roma from coming back.

Got it. You just want to argue. Enjoy.

84 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:33:49am

re: #80 JasonA

Invoking Poe's Law?

Better than than rule #34.

85 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:34:14am

re: #84 MrSilverDragon

Better thanthat than rule #34.

I hate when I do that.

86 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:34:53am

re: #84 MrSilverDragon

Better than than rule #34.

We save that one for the late night threads.

87 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:35:20am

re: #84 MrSilverDragon

Better than than rule #34.

Humans attempting interspecies relations in a ZeroG environment must always cover their insignia.............


/channeling Red Dwarf

88 Obdicut  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:35:31am

re: #83 rwdflynavy

Got it. You just want to argue. Enjoy.

Dude, I updinged your post, and no, I don't just want to argue. I'm letting you know that, unfortunately, the pittance they're getting is not worth the disruption to their lives, the confiscation of property, and the break-up of the camps.

The money they're giving them would barely pay for passage back to France, if they did want to come back. It's really not a loophole.

Yes, this is a subject that makes me mad as hell, but it's not directed at you. Just that for the Roma, there never is a good loophole.

They're perennially screwed over.

89 celticdragon  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:36:05am

re: #86 JasonA

We save that one for the late night threads.

I save my pajamas for something else entirely... ;)


Lame joke, I know.

90 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:36:07am

re: #80 JasonA

re: #84 MrSilverDragon

Great, now I have that "Family Guy" clip of Robertson and Falwell making out stuck in my head.

Thanks, guys.

91 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:37:05am

re: #84 MrSilverDragon

Better than than rule #34.

*Just shakes his head sadly*

92 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:37:52am

Rule 34 turns me on.

/

93 PapaWhisky  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:38:10am

So has any significant public figure come out and said Park 51 is "ok"

94 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:38:37am

re: #93 PapaWhisky

So has any significant public figure come out and said Park 51 is "ok"

As in "they have a right" or as in "I support it"?

95 PapaWhisky  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:39:09am

re: #94 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

just "ok" would be fine for me

96 PapaWhisky  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:39:48am

re: #94 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Obama was close .. then he refudiated

97 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:40:27am

re: #96 PapaWhisky

Obama was close .. then he refudiated

No, he really didn't.

98 celticdragon  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:40:48am

re: #93 PapaWhisky

So has any significant public figure come out and said Park 51 is "ok"

Mayor Bloomberg has. No other major NY pol has said a thing. I expected that from Schumer, but not Senator Kirsten Gillibrand. I am a bit unhappy with her silence here.

99 Obdicut  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:41:16am

re: #96 PapaWhisky

No. He gave exactly the only support the project should need: The building of it is constitutionally protected.

He did not 'refudiate' that.

100 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:41:50am

re: #96 PapaWhisky

Obama was close .. then he refudiated

Obama never said he was "ok" with it, only that it was their right to construct it, and that he would not comment on the "wisdom" of doing so. Which is exactly what he should have said.

101 PapaWhisky  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:42:02am

re: #98 celticdragon

you're right .. Bloomberg did.

And ... yes .. Obama un-re-clarified. It was too messy for words

102 darthstar  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:42:07am

re: #58 spikester

Oh, does someone need a 'fuck you'? Okay. Fuck you.

103 spikester  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:42:45am

re: #102 darthstar

gosh
that took awhile

104 celticdragon  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:43:26am

re: #96 PapaWhisky

Obama was close .. then he refudiated

Not really.

He supported their public right to use their own property, but refused to speculate on the private affair of "wisdom". I think he was correct to do so.

105 ShaunP  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:44:17am

re: #98 celticdragon

Mayor Bloomberg has. No other major NY pol has said a thing. I expected that from Schumer, but not Senator Kirsten Gillibrand. I am a bit unhappy with her silence here.

Not a current pol, but Ed Koch had a great statement:

[Link: www.citylimits.org...]

106 Big Steve  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:44:28am

re: #2 tnguitarist

Just say it's two blocks away and be done with it.

How about "cattywampus to ground zero"

107 darthstar  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:44:30am

re: #103 spikester

gosh
that took awhile

I was away from my computer.

108 PapaWhisky  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:44:43am

re: #100 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Obama never said he was "ok" with it, only that it was their right to construct it, and that he would not comment on the "wisdom" of doing so. Which is exactly what he should have said.

Worst Of Both .. honest moniker there !

Right to Construct but no comment on the wisdom. With the wisdom comment coming a day later in a parking lot.

C'mon man ! Take a stand a stick to it. The 40% of people that hate him will never be swayed anyway !!

109 countrockulot  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:45:51am

Additional AP note: we will however continue our policy of falling for these right-wing nontroversies every additional time they crop up though. We have no plans to learn from our continued mistakes, do any research on any of these "stories" before we pass them on, or figure out that these turn out to be partisan hack created reality ignoring bullshit EVERY SINGLE TIME!!!!

Oh wait, gotta go. Drudge says a gay muslim black guy just totally didn't invite a white guy to his birthday party. Stop the presses!

110 Four More Tears  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:46:17am

re: #108 PapaWhisky

It's really sad that you can't separate the two statements.

111 Obdicut  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:46:21am

re: #108 PapaWhisky

He took a stand and stuck to it. The stand is that we have religious freedom in this country, and they have the right to build the mosque there.

None of the rest of it is anybody else's business, including him.

You are not as subtle as you think you are.

112 Bubblehead II  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:46:53am

re: #93 PapaWhisky

Sen. Al Frankin for one.

Which makes me wonder if this is in anyway connected.

Vandals Damage Sen. Al Franken’s Window in Minneapolis

113 Targetpractice  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:47:05am

re: #108 PapaWhisky

Worst Of Both .. honest moniker there !

Right to Construct but no comment on the wisdom. With the wisdom comment coming a day later in a parking lot.

C'mon man ! Take a stand a stick to it. The 40% of people that hate him will never be swayed anyway !!

You wish to interpret his initial statement as support, no matter how tepid, you're free to do so. I'm free, likewise, I call you a dumbass for doing so.

Freedom of speech, ain't it a beautiful thing?

114 PapaWhisky  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:47:32am

re: #111 Obdicut

so they should not build it?

115 celticdragon  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:49:23am

re: #109 countrockulot

Additional AP note: we will however continue our policy of falling for these right-wing nontroversies every additional time they crop up though. We have no plans to learn from our continued mistakes, do any research on any of these "stories" before we pass them on, or figure out that these turn out to be partisan hack created reality ignoring bullshit EVERY SINGLE TIME!!!

Oh wait, gotta go. Drudge says a gay muslim black guy just totally didn't invite a white guy to his birthday party. Stop the presses!

It is amazing how well tuned the Right Wing Outrage Wurlitzer seems to be, and how Breitbart, Drudge and the various merry pranksters can keep doing this shit. There is nothing even remotely analogous on the left.

Nonstop KulturKampf idiocy all day, every day.

Oh, and tax cuts for the top 2 percent solve everything.

116 Obdicut  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 11:49:35am

re: #114 PapaWhisky

so they should not build it?

GAZE.

117 Nick Schroeder  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 12:06:01pm

This is actually kind of weak on the part of AP. They shouldn't even be calling it a mosque.

118 palomino  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 12:36:27pm

re: #58 spikester

yah like the Christians that strap on bombs and go to ___

Oklahoma City?

Thanks, Alex, let's move on to "religious bigotry" for $800.

119 TedStriker  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 12:40:49pm

re: #15 Filala

Jst cll t th Vctr Msq, bcs tht's wht t mns t rcl Mslms ll vr th wrld..

Surprise, surprise, surprise!

/xenophobic shithead

120 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 2:08:38pm

re: #114 PapaWhisky

so they should not build it?

You're giving me watered down ketchup, kiddo, this ain't no kinda sauce

Come back when you have some internet to show me

121 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 5:30:50pm

re: #36 Filala

Muslims who take everything in the Koran as the literal word of Allah.

So, I should now refer to Christians who believe in Biblical literalism and inerrancy as 'racial Christians'? Fails to make sense.

122 Cato the Elder  Thu, Aug 19, 2010 5:51:21pm

re: #36 Filala

Muslims who take everything in the Koran as the literal word of Allah.

As opposed to Christians who do the same with the KJV?

Try again.

123 AJStrata  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:07:50am

Actually, the term "Ground Zero Mosque" was coined by the backers of the mosque. And not everyone who thinks it is a bad idea to build the mosque on that site is a bigot. Someone as smart as the old Charles Johnson would have had enough balance to recognize the difference between a Geller and a Harry Reid, There are lots of analogies that actually make sense and are not derived from bigotry, but decency to victims of memorials: [Link: strata-sphere.com...]

124 Claire  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 8:09:01am

re: #123 AJStrata

Actually, the term "Ground Zero Mosque" was coined by the backers of the mosque. strata-sphere.com...]

Do you have a link for that?

125 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 10:29:03am

re: #123 AJStrata

Actually, the term "Ground Zero Mosque" was coined by the backers of the mosque.

This is absolutely NOT true.

And not everyone who thinks it is a bad idea to build the mosque on that site is a bigot.

At this point, there are two possible reasons for being opposed to the community center.

1) Bigotry.

2) Ignorance.

And if anyone is still ignorant of the facts, it's because they can't be bothered to inform themselves. Which is damned close to bigotry.


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