Franklin Graham: Obama Has the ‘Seed of Islam’

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Fundamentalist wacko Franklin Graham says President Obama is infected with the seed of Islam.

“I think the president’s problem is that he was born a Muslim, his father was a Muslim. The seed of Islam is passed through the father like the seed of Judaism is passed through the mother. He was born a Muslim, his father gave him an Islamic name,” Graham told CNN’s John King in a televised interview that aired Thursday night.

“Now it’s obvious that the president has renounced the prophet Mohammed, and he has renounced Islam, and he has accepted Jesus Christ. That’s what he says he has done. I cannot say that he hasn’t. So I just have to believe that the president is what he has said,” Graham continued, adding that “the Islamic world sees the president as one of theirs.”

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269 comments
1 spikester  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:37:49pm

thats out there!

2 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:38:27pm

What can be said about this guy? The idea that people swallow this lunacy, it’s unreal

3 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:40:51pm

Put on your crash helmets & buckle your five point harnesses.

4 Nervous Norvous  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:41:30pm

hullo all…

5 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:41:36pm

More hits from Franklin Graham

“Is America Islamophobic?” Frank Graham reportedly said that Islam “is a religion of hatred. It’s a religion of war.” Building the cultural center near Ground Zero, he says, means Muslims “will claim now that the World Trade Center property … is Islamic land.”

What kind of idiot rube buys this?

6 elizajane  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:43:21pm

The *seed* of Islam, and it’s like Judaism? Does this guy know the difference between race and religion, does he get the concept of faiths of conversion?

Maybe he should have a chat with the fellow I was reading today who assured his audience that in order to become a Muslim, all you have to do is say three times “I am a Muslim.” And shazam! The seed comes down, I suppose.

The amount of misinformation floating around out there is phenomenal. But then, 20% of Americans believe in reincarnation, and I’ll bet that most of them would call themselves Christians and see no contradiction.

7 Jack Burton  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:44:58pm

I’ve never heard of this douche-nozzle before today. All I can say is that calling him that might be an insult to douche-nozzles. Where do they find these people? Luap Nor looks sane next to some of these idiots popping out of the woodwork because of this community center.

8 Happy4LA  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:46:18pm

What about this article from the NY Times?

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood. It makes no difference that, as Senator Obama has written, his father said he renounced his religion. Likewise, under Muslim law based on the Koran his mother’s Christian background is irrelevant.

Of course, as most Americans understand it, Senator Obama is not a Muslim. He chose to become a Christian, and indeed has written convincingly to explain how he arrived at his choice and how important his Christian faith is to him.

His conversion, however, was a crime in Muslim eyes; it is “irtidad” or “ridda,” usually translated from the Arabic as “apostasy,” but with connotations of rebellion and treason. Indeed, it is the worst of all crimes that a Muslim can commit, worse than murder (which the victim’s family may choose to forgive).

9 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:46:29pm

My, the ‘Obama has the seed of Islam’ was tailor made for some brutal sexual humor.

10 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:46:54pm

re: #7 ArchangelMichael

I’ve never heard of this douche-nozzle before today. All I can say is that calling him that might be an insult to douche-nozzles. Where do they find these people? Luap Nor looks sane next to some of these idiots popping out of the woodwork because of this community center.

Franklin Graham is Billy Graham’s son, been around in his fathers ministry for ever. You never heard of him?

11 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:47:42pm

re: #8 Happy4LA

What about this article from the NY Times?

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood. It makes no difference that, as Senator Obama has written, his father said he renounced his religion. Likewise, under Muslim law based on the Koran his mother’s Christian background is irrelevant.

Of course, as most Americans understand it, Senator Obama is not a Muslim. He chose to become a Christian, and indeed has written convincingly to explain how he arrived at his choice and how important his Christian faith is to him.

His conversion, however, was a crime in Muslim eyes; it is “irtidad” or “ridda,” usually translated from the Arabic as “apostasy,” but with connotations of rebellion and treason. Indeed, it is the worst of all crimes that a Muslim can commit, worse than murder (which the victim’s family may choose to forgive).

What about it?

12 PAUL_MACDONALD  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:48:02pm

That this kind of rhetoric is mainstream down south bothers the crap out of me.

Probably the result of spending umpteen dollars on military infrastructure at the expense of public education.

13 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:49:57pm

Oh Oh of course. He has the seed of Islam. What better way to spread terror babies! Now if only Newt, Vitter, Engle etc. had the seed also, those crazy Mooslims could really ramp up the baby program.

14 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:51:02pm

Now I’ve seen everything. A sleeper popped up in the previous thread and defended antisemitic hate monger Father Coughlin.

I’m starting to think this Internet thing was a really bad idea.

15 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:53:18pm

re: #14 Charles

Now I’ve seen everything. A sleeper popped up in the previous thread and defended antisemitic hate monger Father Coughlin.

I’m starting to think this Internet thing was a really bad idea.

There’s at least one of everything on the internet

16 PAUL_MACDONALD  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:53:38pm

re: #8 Happy4LA

I have a hunch that it carries as much weight as excommunicating a Catholic for some affront or disobeying the Pope.

17 Four More Tears  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:53:58pm

re: #14 Charles

Now I’ve seen everything. A sleeper popped up in the previous thread and defended antisemitic hate monger Father Coughlin.

I’m starting to think this Internet thing was a really bad idea.

It was great until the late 90s or so, when they made computers easy enough for “morans” to use.

18 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:54:11pm

“But her womb was barren, and my seed could find no purchase.”

19 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:54:15pm

re: #13 Jeff In Ohio

Obama IS a terror baby, don’t you get it?

//

20 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:54:26pm

re: #18 austin_blue

“But her womb was barren, and my seed could find no purchase.”

Turn to the right!

21 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:55:13pm

Good evening Lizards! Hope everyone is well..
re: #14 Charles

Now I’ve seen everything. A sleeper popped up in the previous thread and defended antisemitic hate monger Father Coughlin.

I’m starting to think this Internet thing was a really bad idea.

Hi Charles..The beauty of the Internet is the power of Knowledge globally…
There are few rocks to hide under in the ether…

22 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:55:17pm

re: #19 Dreggas

Obama IS a terror baby, don’t you get it?

//

See, thuh rules arr if yer born muzzlim that mean yew is born evil uh hyuck!

/Franklin Graham

23 PAUL_MACDONALD  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:55:20pm

re: #17 JasonA

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

I’ve been living this forever

24 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:56:00pm

re: #14 Charles

Thanks Charles. I guess I came upstairs a little too soon this time. Now I’ll go delete that smelly garbage from my inbox. Ugh. I still love the feature, make no mistake about that.

BRB

25 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:56:09pm

re: #5 WindUpBird

More hits from Franklin Graham

What kind of idiot rube buys this?

People who’ve accepted the idea that there is a secret Muslim takeover plan that all the Muslims are in on.

That includes many, many Robert Spencer readers.

Almost anyone who thinks it’s possible for a US citizen to be a ‘dhimmi’.

26 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:56:54pm

re: #6 elizajane

The *seed* of Islam, and it’s like Judaism? Does this guy know the difference between race and religion, does he get the concept of faiths of conversion?

Maybe he should have a chat with the fellow I was reading today who assured his audience that in order to become a Muslim, all you have to do is say three times “I am a Muslim.” And shazam! The seed comes down, I suppose.

The amount of misinformation floating around out there is phenomenal. But then, 20% of Americans believe in reincarnation, and I’ll bet that most of them would call themselves Christians and see no contradiction.

I think he’s confusing divorce laws with taking the shahada, but never mind.

27 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:56:58pm

It just keeps getting better…..
News Corp’s number-two shareholder funded ‘terror mosque’ planner

On last night’s “Daily Show,” Jon Stewart skewered these antics as a “dangerous game of guilt by association you can play with almost anybody,” and proceeded to tie Fox News to al-Qaida by connecting Fox News parent News Corp’s second-largest shareholder, Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal, to the Carlyle Group, which has done business with the bin Laden family, “one of whose sons — obviously I’m not going to say which one — may be anti-American.” But Stewart didn’t need to take all those steps to make the connection: Al-Waleed has directly funded Rauf’s projects to the tune of more than $300,000. If Fox newscasters can darkly suggest “terror dollars” are sluicing into the Islamic center’s coffers via “shady characters,” then are Al-Waleed, and News Corp. leader Rupert Murdoch, by the same logic, also terror stooges?


Heh.

28 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:57:05pm

re: #23 PAUL_MACDONALD

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

I’ve been living this forever

heh, I was on usenet in high school, I never heard of that before! Of course, I frequented alt groups on usenet full of miscreants, dirtbags, metal fans, pornographers and satanists. Usenet rules!

(and no i wasn’t an AOL user, hahah)

29 Nervous Norvous  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:58:06pm

re: #8 Happy4LA

The author of that article was widely criticized for misinterpreting Islamic Law.

This from a sunni web site takes a much more nuanced view of the question and is probably more accurate than an op ed from a right wing yahoo.

30 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:58:36pm

re: #28 WindUpBird

Hey man, I was perusing your brothers art this morning. Really inspiring and beautiful stuff.

31 theheat  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:58:40pm

re: #18 austin_blue

favorite movie

32 Jack Burton  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:58:46pm

re: #10 Walter L. Newton

Franklin Graham is Billy Graham’s son, been around in his fathers ministry for ever. You never heard of him?

Of course I’ve heard of Billy Graham. I don’t keep tabs on his family.

33 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:58:49pm

re: #8 Happy4LA

Whassup reaganomics

34 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:59:06pm

re: #30 Jeff In Ohio

Hey man, I was perusing your brothers art this morning. Really inspiring and beautiful stuff.

That’s not my brother, that’s windsagio’s brother :D

35 Gus  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:59:21pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

It just keeps getting better…
News Corp’s number-two shareholder funded ‘terror mosque’ planner

Heh.

Ha! Excellent! Therefore, according to my 6 Degrees of Separation Calculator™, News Corporation is directly linked to Cordoba House/Park51!

36 mr.fusion  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:59:27pm

re: #14 Charles

I’m starting to think this Internet thing was a really bad idea.

Don’t sweat it….according to Prince the internet is finished anyway….

37 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 3:59:32pm

re: #30 Jeff In Ohio

Unless you discovered my brother’s emo-folk band…

38 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:00:05pm

re: #34 WindUpBird

Shit, I knew that as soon as I posted it. Did I tell you I can’t remember my kids names?

39 Racer X  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:00:16pm

re: #25 SanFranciscoZionist

People who’ve accepted the idea that there is a secret Muslim takeover plan that all the Muslims are in on.

That includes many, many Robert Spencer readers.

Almost anyone who thinks it’s possible for a US citizen to be a ‘dhimmi’.

The conspiracy theories involving Bush taking over and putting Americans into concentration camps was laughably ridiculous when proposed by those on the left. It is more ridiculous now that the right have adopted it as their conspiracy theory.

“I’m the crazy one!”
“No you’re not, I’m the crazier one!”

40 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:00:21pm

re: #28 WindUpBird

heh, I was on usenet in high school, I never heard of that before! Of course, I frequented alt groups on usenet full of miscreants, dirtbags, metal fans, pornographers and satanists. Usenet rules!

(and no i wasn’t an AOL user, hahah)

Remember IRC channels? I had a BBS Called Napa Valley On-Line in those days….Fun days

41 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:00:28pm

re: #37 WindUpBird

Unless you discovered my brother’s emo-folk band…

Um, hope not.

42 Four More Tears  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:00:29pm

re: #35 Gus 802

Ha! Excellent! Therefore, according to my 6 Degrees of Separation Calculator™, News Corporation is directly linked to Cordoba House/Park51!

Six Degrees of People Who Don’t Eat Bacon

43 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:00:45pm

re: #8 Happy4LA

What about this article from the NY Times?

[Link: www.nytimes.com…]

As the son of the Muslim father, Senator Obama was born a Muslim under Muslim law as it is universally understood. It makes no difference that, as Senator Obama has written, his father said he renounced his religion. Likewise, under Muslim law based on the Koran his mother’s Christian background is irrelevant.

Of course, as most Americans understand it, Senator Obama is not a Muslim. He chose to become a Christian, and indeed has written convincingly to explain how he arrived at his choice and how important his Christian faith is to him.

His conversion, however, was a crime in Muslim eyes; it is “irtidad” or “ridda,” usually translated from the Arabic as “apostasy,” but with connotations of rebellion and treason. Indeed, it is the worst of all crimes that a Muslim can commit, worse than murder (which the victim’s family may choose to forgive).

It’s an opinion piece by some guy called Luttwak at a think tank. His concern that Obama would be seen as an apostate by the Muslim world does not seem to be coming to fruition, possibly because most Muslims (at least the ones not holed up in the hills of Tora Bora) are sophisticated enough to understand the nuances of Obama’s upbringing.

44 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:01:07pm

re: #9 Jeff In Ohio

My, the ‘Obama has the seed of Islam’ was tailor made for some brutal sexual humor.

So, I guess this means the girls are Muslims as well.

45 Racer X  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:01:18pm

re: #27 Killgore Trout

It just keeps getting better…
News Corp’s number-two shareholder funded ‘terror mosque’ planner


Heh.

Suh-nap.

46 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:01:23pm

re: #35 Gus 802

Ha! Excellent! Therefore, according to my 6 Degrees of Separation Calculator™, News Corporation is directly linked to Cordoba House/Park51!

Yup. Follow the Money!

47 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:01:24pm

re: #34 WindUpBird

That’s not my brother, that’s windsagio’s brother :D

You guys look a lot alike, both starting with Wind and all….

48 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:01:38pm

re: #9 Jeff In Ohio

My, the ‘Obama has the seed of Islam’ was tailor made for some brutal sexual humor.

Where’s the glory in hitting doubles of the wall if they’re serving batting practice pitches?

49 Racer X  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:01:55pm

re: #34 WindUpBird

That’s not my brother, that’s windsagio’s brother :D

You all look alike.

50 Political Atheist  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:02:21pm

Happy Friday everybody, I’m out to travel some miles. Then tomorrow I’ll be at the Steel Challenge all day. VIP tours for Lizards in good standing. Look for me at “The Gauntlet”.

51 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:02:39pm

re: #40 HoosierHoops

Remember IRC channels? I had a BBS Called Napa Valley On-Line in those days…Fun days

Oh hell yeah, I have friends to this day I met on IRC. Channels for the fandom though, so they were already sort of in my zone :D

52 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:02:50pm
Al-Waleed owns a 7 percent, $2.3 billion stake in News Corporation. Likewise, News Corporation owns a 9 percent, $70 million stake — purchased in February — in Rotana, Al-Waleed’s Saudi media conglomerate. Put another way: Rupert Murdoch and Fox News are in business, to the tune of billions of dollars, with one of the “Terror Mosque Imam’s” principal patrons.


Bwahahahaha!

53 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:02:52pm

re: #50 Rightwingconspirator

Happy Friday everybody, I’m out to travel some miles. Then tomorrow I’ll be at the Steel Challenge all day. VIP tours for Lizards in good standing. Look for me at “The Gauntlet”.

Wizard needs food badly

54 Four More Tears  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:02:57pm

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

So, I guess this means the girls are Muslims as well.

Don’t even go there. Next thing you know the nuts’ll start calling them “Sasharia” or something…

55 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:03:01pm

re: #34 WindUpBird

That’s not my brother, that’s windsagio’s brother :D

Yeah, but you guys are each other’s invisible friends.

56 mr.fusion  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:03:05pm

re: #36 Graham

“I think the president’s problem is that he was born a Muslim … So I just have to believe that the president is what he has said

No, you jackass, the President’s problem is that idiot’s like you say things like that …. and instead of erasing all doubt with a simple quote like “of course he’s a Christian, he talks about it all the time,” you throw out comments meant to create doubt.

It would be like if I said Graham’s problem is that he was born a douche … he says he’s not, so I guess we have to take his word for it

57 Nervous Norvous  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:03:17pm

re: #51 WindUpBird

Oh hell yeah, I have friends to this day I met on IRC. Channels for the fandom though, so they were already sort of in my zone :D

I had a lot of fun on #poetry on Undernet

58 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:03:19pm

re: #47 wrenchwench

You guys look a lot alike, both starting with Wind and all…

Not in person though :D

59 Gus  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:03:48pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

Bwahahahaha!

Follow the money!!11ty

/

60 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:03:49pm

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

So, I guess this means the girls are Muslims as well.

Logical conclusion!

Hey, SFZ, how is foggy SF this afternoon?

61 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:05:25pm

re: #59 Gus 802

Follow the money!!11ty

/

The end of the article…

Fox News had no comment. An email to Al-Waleed’s Kingdom Holdings was not returned.

This is going to be interesting.

62 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:05:26pm

re: #60 austin_blue

Logical conclusion!

Hey, SFZ, how is foggy SF this afternoon?

I’m in the East Bay. Skies are blue, clouds are fluffy white, and my classroom looks pretty damn spiff.

63 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:05:48pm

re: #46 Killgore Trout

Yup. Follow the Money!

I think it was WSJ today that had an article about who much money park51 has in the Bank…I have more money in my checking account..
Cracks me up..

64 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:06:00pm

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m in the East Bay. Skies are blue, clouds are fluffy white, and my classroom looks pretty damn spiff.

Have you already started school?

65 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:06:43pm

re: #63 HoosierHoops

I think it was WSJ today that had an article about who much money park51 has in the Bank…I have more money in my checking account..
Cracks me up..

Then how are they going to build a 150 million dollar center?

66 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:08:15pm

re: #63 HoosierHoops

I think it was WSJ today that had an article about who much money park51 has in the Bank…I have more money in my checking account..
Cracks me up..

I’m pretty sure that’s because the investors aren’t actually going to fork over the cash until they see if the project is going to be blocked. I don’t think they’ll have any trouble getting the cash when the time comes. All this outrage has been great publicity for the developer.

67 Four More Tears  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:08:23pm

re: #65 Walter L. Newton

Then how are they going to build a 150 million dollar center?

I think they’ve made a lot of friends with what they’ve gone through lately. I’d make a donation if I had some to spare.

68 tnguitarist  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:08:26pm

re: #14 Charles

Now I’ve seen everything. A sleeper popped up in the previous thread and defended antisemitic hate monger Father Coughlin.

I’m starting to think this Internet thing was a really bad idea.

So, you agree with Mellencamp?

69 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:09:02pm

re: #64 Walter L. Newton

Have you already started school?

The kids come for a half-day on Wednesday. I have another few days to tack stuff up.

I’m trying to figure out where to put this beautiful statue of Mary. Low enough that the kids can enjoy it, high enough that the BVM is not in danger from thrown pencils…

Sixth grade does ancient world for social studies, so I’m going to shut off the lights and have them draw buffalo by flashlight to simulate the Lascaux caves.

70 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:09:39pm

re: #65 Walter L. Newton

Then how are they going to build a 150 million dollar center?

I dunno know..They don’t have much money in the bank according the the WSJ..And those guys know money

71 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:10:30pm

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

I’m in the East Bay. Skies are blue, clouds are fluffy white, and my classroom looks pretty damn spiff.

Sweet!

102 here right now. Another weekend at the Alamo Drafthouse for She Who Must Be Obeyed and myself. Movies, luch brought to you seat, and No Kids.

Lovely concept, brought to you by my neighbors, Tim and Kerry League.

72 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:10:58pm

re: #71 austin_blue

Sweet!

102 here right now. Another weekend at the Alamo Drafthouse for She Who Must Be Obeyed and myself. Movies, luch brought to you seat, and No Kids.

Lovely concept, brought to you by my neighbors, Tim and Kerry League.

Errr…Lunch…

PIMF

73 Nervous Norvous  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:11:07pm

Jason was it you that was downloading the game client? How did that go?

74 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:11:54pm

What is this whole “seed” thing?

If a Jewish mom gives her child a Jewish name and then immediately adopts him out to a non-Jewish family who raises him as a Unitarian, does the “seed” still grow?

If a Hindu Brahmin converts to Catholicism, although he was “seeded” into the highest caste by his daddy’s literal seed, is his conversion not accepted of him?

This is one of the weirder forms of tribalism and essentialism that I’ve seen in a long, long time.

If Mr. Graham’s father was a cracker, does that mean he has to be one too?

75 theheat  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:12:24pm

Their hangup with sperm is freaky. Anyone that refers to sperm as seed is a certifiable repressed fundie and their wife probably has a stack of Mandingo books under the bed to fantasize over while the menfolk quietly jerk off drinking a Shirley freakin’ Temple. They way they talk about “it” (Shhhhhhh) you’d think it could get a driver’s license and buy a house, while possessing the magical powers of a unicorn.

It bugs the shit out of me, how fundies use all these PG-rated stupidass names for sex and genitals, trying to evoke something ethereal when they use their idiot scriptural words for sperm, penis, whatever. I could go into Kevin Costner’s Bull Durham rant, but I won’t… but I want to… I really, really want to…

What the hell year is it again? These shitasses are trying to drag us back to the dark ages every time they open their mouths, talking to adults as if they’re children. Really dumb, repressed, children.

Obama is helpless because of his father’s sperm? Man, just when you think you’ve heard the dumbest shit of the day, more rolls in.

76 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:12:31pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

I’m pretty sure that’s because the investors aren’t actually going to fork over the cash until they see if the project is going to be blocked. I don’t think they’ll have any trouble getting the cash when the time comes. All this outrage has been great publicity for the developer.

I think you are dead on…Money will come with approvals…
Still cracks me up how much money they have in their Checking account

77 Four More Tears  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:12:38pm

re: #73 PT Barnum

Jason was it you that was downloading the game client? How did that go?

I downloaded and installed it before I had to come here, to work. I’ll have time to kick the tires later tonight.

78 tnguitarist  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:12:58pm

re: #74 Cato the Elder

#18 was a ‘Raising Arizona’ reference, if that’s what you mean.

79 Nervous Norvous  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:13:22pm

re: #75 theheat

Their hangup with sperm is freaky. Anyone that refers to sperm as seed is a certifiable repressed fundie and their wife probably has a stack of Mandingo books under the bed to fantasize over while the menfolk quietly jerk off drinking a Shirley freakin’ Temple. They way they talk about “it” (Shhh) you’d think it could get a driver’s license and buy a house, while possessing the magical powers of a unicorn.

It bugs the shit out of me, how fundies use all these PG-rated stupidass names for sex and genitals, trying to evoke something ethereal when they use their idiot scriptural words for sperm, penis, whatever. I could go into Kevin Costner’s Bull Durham rant, but I won’t… but I want to… I really, really want to…

What the hell year is it again? These shitasses are trying to drag us back to the dark ages every time they open their mouths, talking to adults as if they’re children. Really dumb, repressed, children.

Obama is helpless because of his father’s sperm? Man, just when you think you’ve heard the dumbest shit of the day, more rolls in.

Only one thing to do in reply

Youtube Video
80 Nervous Norvous  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:14:08pm

re: #77 JasonA

I downloaded and installed it before I had to come here, to work. I’ll have time to kick the tires later tonight.

Log in to Sarlona server…that’s where I am. Wife wants me to play Pirates of the Carribean tonight so I’m gonna try that out tonight.

81 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:14:33pm

re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist

The kids come for a half-day on Wednesday. I have another few days to tack stuff up.

I’m trying to figure out where to put this beautiful statue of Mary. Low enough that the kids can enjoy it, high enough that the BVM is not in danger from thrown pencils…

Sixth grade does ancient world for social studies, so I’m going to shut off the lights and have them draw buffalo by flashlight to simulate the Lascaux caves.

So, this Rabbi has some emergency surgery done, and it was done at the first available place, the local Catholic hospital. A few days after the operation, a nun comes into his room to change the sheets on his bed, and she notices the crucifix, that was hanging on the wall, missing. “Rabbi, did you do something with the crucifix?” And the Rabble replied… “Well sister, I decided one suffering Jew in this room was enough, and I removed it.”

82 Four More Tears  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:15:33pm

re: #80 PT Barnum

Log in to Sarlona server…that’s where I am. Wife wants me to play Pirates of the Carribean tonight so I’m gonna try that out tonight.

Will do.

83 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:15:35pm

WUB, I replied to your link about this guy a few threads back, but everyone was already long gone.

Guess what? You all have the seed, it’s just waiting for the right time to sprout and and take you over. MOOSLIM POD PEOPLE!!11! BWAHAHAAAAA…

84 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:15:56pm

re: #75 theheat

Their hangup with sperm is freaky. Anyone that refers to sperm as seed is a certifiable repressed fundie and their wife probably has a stack of Mandingo books under the bed to fantasize over while the menfolk quietly jerk off drinking a Shirley freakin’ Temple. They way they talk about “it” (Shhh) you’d think it could get a driver’s license and buy a house, while possessing the magical powers of a unicorn.

It bugs the shit out of me, how fundies use all these PG-rated stupidass names for sex and genitals, trying to evoke something ethereal when they use their idiot scriptural words for sperm, penis, whatever. I could go into Kevin Costner’s Bull Durham rant, but I won’t… but I want to… I really, really want to…

What the hell year is it again? These shitasses are trying to drag us back to the dark ages every time they open their mouths, talking to adults as if they’re children. Really dumb, repressed, children.

Obama is helpless because of his father’s sperm? Man, just when you think you’ve heard the dumbest shit of the day, more rolls in.

Been going on a long time, my man.

My all time favorite Biblical reference to masturbation:

“Onan spilled his seed upon the ground.”

Gasp!

85 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:16:58pm

re: #74 Cato the Elder

What is this whole “seed” thing?

If a Jewish mom gives her child a Jewish name and then immediately adopts him out to a non-Jewish family who raises him as a Unitarian, does the “seed” still grow?

If a Hindu Brahmin converts to Catholicism, although he was “seeded” into the highest caste by his daddy’s literal seed, is his conversion not accepted of him?

This is one of the weirder forms of tribalism and essentialism that I’ve seen in a long, long time.

If Mr. Graham’s father was a cracker, does that mean he has to be one too?

It just baffles me that he appears to be supporting Muslim tradition to insist that Obama must be a Muslim, rather than Christian tradition, to accept that Obama is a Christian.

Does this mean that if I decided to get saved by Franklin Graham, he wouldn’t be too sure of me because of the ‘seed’ of Judaism?

How does this square with what I understand to be the fundamental belief of Evangelical Protestantism that one becomes a Christian through an individual experience of salvation?

86 Gus  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:17:11pm

re: #61 Killgore Trout

The end of the article…

This is going to be interesting.

Allow me to introduce the new logos for Fox News and News Corporation!!11ty

Image: foxnewschannel.jpg

Image: newscorporation.jpg

They’ve taken over!!11ty

87 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:17:54pm

re: #14 Charles

Now I’ve seen everything. A sleeper popped up in the previous thread and defended antisemitic hate monger Father Coughlin.

I’m starting to think this Internet thing was a really bad idea.

This is all too much f*cking crazy going around.

Maybe, you could post some of those adorable baby animal threads. Honestly, the state of things makes me want to vomit.

And the smug smirking of those GOP idiots on the previous thread. AGW will kill billions if left unchecked. They simply don’t care and smugly, stupidly mock those who aren’t bought and paid for soulless corporate douches, and who don’t want to drive off that cliff.

Those are exactly the types that I feel should be tried for crimes against humanity.

Seeing that crap, and Coughlin in the same thread after seeing another post about attacks on relativity (Special relativity for crying out loud!) from the wingnuts, has simply turned me bitter.

88 theheat  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:18:35pm

re: #79 PT Barnum

re: #84 austin_blue

I’ll up the ante with the real deal. And with that, I must go. But I’ll be damned if I’m going to go all fire and brimstone, or hot and sweaty, and the best I can muster is “seed.” Seed? Gimme a break.

Youtube Video
89 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:18:39pm

re: #14 Charles

Now I’ve seen everything. A sleeper popped up in the previous thread and defended antisemitic hate monger Father Coughlin.

I’m starting to think this Internet thing was a really bad idea.

I’m glad you didn’t let that one stick around long, Charles.

In her first post already she told us about how Muslims don’t have “real art”.

Soon to follow would have been how they all hate dogs, detest music, and revile pork-pie hats.

Refudiating these people is more futile than trying to talk a weed out of growing.

90 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:18:44pm

re: #44 SanFranciscoZionist

Always looking for the polite interpretation. When did you lose your angel wings?

91 Four More Tears  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:18:52pm

re: #86 Gus 802

Allow me to introduce the new logos for Fox News and News Corporation!!11ty

Image: foxnewschannel.jpg

Image: newscorporation.jpg

They’ve taken over!!11ty

Heh. May they reap what they have sown.

92 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:18:56pm

re: #86 Gus 802

Allow me to introduce the new logos for Fox News and News Corporation!!11ty

Image: foxnewschannel.jpg

Image: newscorporation.jpg

They’ve taken over!!11ty


Ha!

93 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:19:00pm

re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist

It just baffles me that he appears to be supporting Muslim tradition to insist that Obama must be a Muslim, rather than Christian tradition, to accept that Obama is a Christian.

Does this mean that if I decided to get saved by Franklin Graham, he wouldn’t be too sure of me because of the ‘seed’ of Judaism?

How does this square with what I understand to be the fundamental belief of Evangelical Protestantism that one becomes a Christian through an individual experience of salvation?

Well, it doesn’t, does it? And that’s the point.

Obama is “the other”. He must be suspected of anything any yahoo in a fever dream can imagine.

94 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:19:09pm

re: #84 austin_blue

Been going on a long time, my man.

My all time favorite Biblical reference to masturbation:

“Onan spilled his seed upon the ground.”

Gasp!

In preference of impregnating his brother’s wife. It’s not as though he just went off into the hills, jerked off, and got in trouble over it.

95 Gus  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:19:34pm

re: #92 Killgore Trout

Ha!

Just made those. This is a useful source:

[Link: www.brandsoftheworld.com…]

96 Four More Tears  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:19:51pm

re: #94 SanFranciscoZionist

In preference of impregnating his brother’s wife. It’s not as though he just went off into the hills, jerked off, and got in trouble over it.

Oh. I’ve been doing it wrong…

/

97 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:20:31pm

Ok, I made a page : Radical Saudi Royalty funding Ground Zero MegaMosque

Could I get some retweets to #tcot? It will really annoy the wingnuts.

98 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:20:50pm

re: #87 LudwigVanQuixote

Good Evening Ludwig!
If you turn Bitter the Wingnuts win.. Be yourself..Relax..You have the facts on your side..I really enjoy reading your stuff…

99 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:20:56pm

re: #90 Jeff In Ohio

Always looking for the polite interpretation. When did you lose your angel wings?

What makes you think they’re gone? And let me tell you, it’s a hassle putting bias tape around the wing-slits in the back of all my shirts…

100 Kragar  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:21:37pm

Rev Graham is the descendant of the seed of stupid

101 Jeff In Ohio  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:23:15pm

re: #76 HoosierHoops

I think you are dead on…Money will come with approvals…
Still cracks me up how much money they have in their Checking account

Especially when you get the Internet Sociopaths demanding to see an accounting of the funding…that does not exist. “I’d show you but my Unicorn ate it.”

102 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:23:26pm

#foxnews! Nice!

103 Gus  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:23:40pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

#foxnews! Nice!

;)

104 allegro  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:23:41pm

I always find the whole seed thing and imagery of little sperm soldiers fighting the good fight immensely funny.

105 Kragar  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:23:42pm

For a group of people who don’t believe in evolution, they certainly put a lot of faith in the idea of inherited traits

106 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:25:17pm

re: #85 SanFranciscoZionist

It just baffles me that he appears to be supporting Muslim tradition to insist that Obama must be a Muslim, rather than Christian tradition, to accept that Obama is a Christian.

Does this mean that if I decided to get saved by Franklin Graham, he wouldn’t be too sure of me because of the ‘seed’ of Judaism?

How does this square with what I understand to be the fundamental belief of Evangelical Protestantism that one becomes a Christian through an individual experience of salvation?

Judaism is passed down by the mother, so it’s not the “Seed of Judaism” it’s the “Womb of Judaism.”

107 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:26:45pm

re: #98 HoosierHoops

Good Evening Ludwig!
If you turn Bitter the Wingnuts win.. Be yourself..Relax..You have the facts on your side..I really enjoy reading your stuff…

You really are the best Hoops. Honestly, bitter isn’t a winf for them. It just reminds me of how bad a fight we are really in.

The soul of America is the stakes.

With the GOP stance on AGW and their chance of winning some more seats in the elections and their ability to block so many things, the existence of America is also at stake.

To have come so far as a society, and to made so much progress only to have it torn down by such smug little troglodytes is worse than a sin. It is an utter disgrace.

It is not like a great hero falling to a worthy foe. It is the work of ages being poisoned by a jackass.

They are not worthy. We simply can’t go out this way - not like this and not to worthless men like them.

108 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:27:30pm

re: #27 Killgore TroutAlaweed looks like Fr. Guido Sarducci in that photo.

Image: alwaleed.jpg

109 tnguitarist  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:28:01pm

The trolls are getting smarter. Dare I say they’re evolving. Instead of coming in and spilling their seed all over the ground, they’re just lurking and reporting back to HQ.

110 zora  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:28:06pm

re: #105 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

For a group of people who don’t believe in evolution, they certainly put a lot of faith in the idea of inherited traits

not to mention that the basis of their evangelical faith is to be born again in christ. now graham tells us that muslim seed is so strong that being born again will not do. whodathunk.

111 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:28:20pm

re: #102 Killgore Trout

#foxnews! Nice!

Oh, Killgore.
Your page.
Nice.

112 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:28:21pm

re: #106 Alouette

Judaism is passed down by the mother, so it’s not the “Seed of Judaism” it’s the “Womb of Judaism.”

Absolutely.

113 allegro  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:28:25pm

re: #108 wrenchwench

Oh wow, he totally does!

114 Kragar  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:28:49pm

re: #110 zora

not to mention that the basis of their evangelical faith is to be born again in christ. now graham tells us that muslim seed is so strong that being born again will not do. whodathunk.

HE’S AN ISLAMIST!

115 Racer X  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:29:47pm

I’m just gonna sit here and run my toes through the sand.

Image: rMuPm.jpg

116 Nimed  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:29:58pm

re: #100 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rev Graham is the descendant of the seed of stupid

And he is far from being an apostate.

117 tnguitarist  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:30:06pm

re: #112 LudwigVanQuixote

Absolutely.

Why is that? Honest question. I am not wise in the ways of Judaism.

118 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:30:34pm

re: #115 Racer X

I’m just gonna sit here and run my toes through the sand.

Image: rMuPm.jpg

No cat, huh?

119 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:30:53pm

re: #117 tnguitarist

Why is that? Honest question. I am not wise in the ways of Judaism.

They’re all Jedi.
That’s all you need to know.
/

120 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:31:07pm

re: #108 wrenchwench

Alaweed looks like Fr. Guido Sarducci in that photo.

Image: alwaleed.jpg

Definitely.

121 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:31:10pm

BBL

122 Kragar  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:31:14pm

re: #119 Varek Raith

They’re all Jedi.
That’s all you need to know.
/

Xenos loving filth.

123 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:31:39pm

re: #110 zora

not to mention that the basis of their evangelical faith is to be born again in christ. now graham tells us that muslim seed is so strong that being born again will not do. whodathunk.

I would imagine that Franklin Graham would not consider Obama a born again Christian unless Obama self identified that way. To people like Franklin Graham, a born again Christian is a true Christian, and if you are a born again Christian, you usually make claim to that aspect of your faith.

If Obama has never made a public statement to that fact, then someone like Graham would question his Christianity.

124 Vicious Babushka  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:32:18pm

re: #112 LudwigVanQuixote

Absolutely.

Shabbat Shalom, fellow Zionist Overlord!

125 Racer X  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:32:22pm

re: #118 wrenchwench

No cat, huh?

Heh.

126 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:32:26pm

re: #111 reine.de.tout

Oh, Killgore.
Your page.
Nice.

CaptDiggs is not amused (gave me a downding). I think it’s hilarious to think of all the wingnuts on twitter who are going to click that link.

127 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:33:21pm

re: #126 Killgore Trout

CaptDiggs is not amused (gave me a downding). I think it’s hilarious to think of all the wingnuts on twitter who are going to click that link.

Heh, many a head will asplode.

128 Gus  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:34:07pm

re: #126 Killgore Trout

CaptDiggs is not amused (gave me a downding). I think it’s hilarious to think of all the wingnuts on twitter who are going to click that link.

It will result in the usual denial or wingnut justification.

He’s just a private investor that bought teh News Corporation stocks!!11ty

129 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:34:08pm

re: #115 Racer X

I’m just gonna sit here and run my toes through the sand.

Image: rMuPm.jpg

Looks nice. My office chair broke so I dug out an old lazy boy recliner from the basement as my new computer chair. Man, I should have done this years ago.

130 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:36:08pm

re: #128 Gus 802

It will result in the usual denial or wingnut justification.

He’s just a private investor that bought teh News Corporation stocks!!11ty


Nice prediction.Captdiggs just chimed in…

I’m curious.
Does anyone here know of a way to prevent a person from buying stock shares on the open market?
131 Gus  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:36:47pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

Nice prediction.Captdiggs just chimed in…

Wasn’t really a prediction. I already read that comment. Whew.

132 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:37:16pm

Does Steve Jobs have the seed of Apple?

133 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:40:09pm

re: #117 tnguitarist

Why is that? Honest question. I am not wise in the ways of Judaism.

There are several reasons. With many Jewish traditions, there is a fundamental mixture of practicality and understanding of human nature, along with deeply spiritual concepts. All of these reasons are simultaneously true.

1. You don’t always know who the father is, but you do always know who the mother is.

2. These laws were made in less civilized times. If a woman got raped and then became pregnant, in this way the child, and she, would not be outcast. To this day, such women and children are treated as less than human by many other cultures. I am deeply proud that in mine, they are both still Jews.

3. Tribe goes through the father, being Jewish goes through the mother.
was a way to keep Jewish lands from being inherited by children who might inherit land form a Jewish father, but, associate with the tribes of their (non Jewish) mother, and this was a way of maintaining continuity of the land.

4. Everyone knows that the primary teacher of a child is the mother. If you are going to be given a firm Jewish identity, it will be imprinted early, and it will come from her more than it does from the father.

5. There is a great deal of mysticism involving the miracle of birth. Women are considered to be closer to G-d inherently because of their natural capacity to bring new life into the world. Given that, it follows that the transmission would go through the mother.

134 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:41:29pm

re: #124 Alouette

Shabbat Shalom, fellow Zionist Overlord!

Shabbat Shalom to you too! I really could go for a slice of that lovely pie right now.

And speaking of which, we are cutting things a little close.

I’m going to have to sign off very shortly.

135 iceweasel  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:43:28pm

Obama has the seed of Islam?

I planted the seed of Islam in my Scottish kitchen and all I got was this lousy cilantro. /

Howdy LGF! miss you, can’t really type at the moment. :(

136 Four More Tears  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:44:02pm

re: #135 iceweasel

Obama has the seed of Islam?

I planted the seed of Islam in my Scottish kitchen and all I got was this lousy cilantro. /

Howdy LGF! miss you, can’t really type at the moment. :(

You’re back!

{Weasel!}

137 Gus  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:44:10pm

re: #135 iceweasel

Obama has the seed of Islam?

I planted the seed of Islam in my Scottish kitchen and all I got was this lousy cilantro. /

Howdy LGF! miss you, can’t really type at the moment. :(

Hi {{Iceweasel}}!

138 iceweasel  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:44:55pm

re: #131 Gus 802

Wasn’t really a prediction. I already read that comment. Whew.

hey gus!!! What’s up? What did I miss?

besides you and a few other folk that is. s’up?

139 allegro  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:44:56pm

re: #135 iceweasel

I do believe that cilantro is the herb of the gods, so you came out ahead.

140 Jimmah  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:45:19pm

re: #5 WindUpBird

More hits from Franklin Graham

What kind of idiot rube buys this?

The sort of idiot that thinks he is an authority on Islam because he can drop terms like “dar-ul harb” and “irtidad”, probably. Often seen posting on wingnut blogs with ‘ironic’ arab sounding usernames.

141 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:45:23pm

I’m happy we are leaving Iraq…Here is a picture of my Son Jordan in Fallujah talking to a child..It was on the front page of a local newspaper..Hope this photobucket crap works.. I have over a GB to download from Fallujah
Image: ?action=view&current=JordanandchildinIraq.jpg

142 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:45:30pm

re: #135 iceweasel

Obama has the seed of Islam?

I planted the seed of Islam in my Scottish kitchen and all I got was this lousy cilantro. /

Howdy LGF! miss you, can’t really type at the moment. :(

So glad to see you before I have to sign off Ice! Please drop me a line sometime after Shabbos.

143 Gus  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:46:22pm

re: #138 iceweasel

hey gus!!! What’s up? What did I miss?

besides you and a few other folk that is. s’up?

Same old, same old on my end. Nothing new but I did land a small project today which will bring in some much need dough.

Heard you broke your finger. Everything is going well otherwise?

144 Four More Tears  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:46:27pm

re: #141 HoosierHoops

I’m happy we are leaving Iraq…Here is a picture of my Son Jordan in Fallujah talking to a child..It was on the front page of a local newspaper..Hope this photobucket crap works.. I have over a GB to download from Fallujah
Image: ?action=view&current=JordanandchildinIraq.jpg

Photo redacted. :(

145 Jimmah  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:46:30pm

re: #135 iceweasel

Obama has the seed of Islam?

I planted the seed of Islam in my Scottish kitchen and all I got was this lousy cilantro. /

Howdy LGF! miss you, can’t really type at the moment. :(

Tasted damn good though. (Ice-ski makes the meanerst turkey enchilada btw)

146 Velvet Elvis  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:46:48pm

re: #135 iceweasel

Obama has the seed of Islam?

I planted the seed of Islam in my Scottish kitchen and all I got was this lousy cilantro. /

Howdy LGF! miss you, can’t really type at the moment. :(

Terrorist cilantro

147 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:47:09pm

What am I doing wrong? Grrrr.
Image: ?action=view&current=JordanandchildinIraq.jpg

148 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:47:47pm

re: #130 Killgore Trout

Nice prediction.Captdiggs just chimed in…

“diggs” is his first name. His last name is “deeper”.

149 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:47:56pm

re: #100 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Rev Graham is the descendant of the seed of stupid

His father was a cracker.

150 Four More Tears  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:48:11pm

re: #147 HoosierHoops

What am I doing wrong? Grrr.
Image: ?action=view&current=JordanandchildinIraq.jpg

I don’t think photobucket likes this feature of LGF. It’s not the first time I’ve seen problems.

151 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:49:17pm

OK guys! with that, I shall have to wish you all a good Shabbos, a great weekend and all sorts of good wishes.

CL, have a pleasant break of your fast.

Everyone be well!

152 Fenris  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:49:45pm

Gawddamnit, and I gave a shoebox full of gifts to his Samaritan’s Purse organization when I was a kid.

153 Four More Tears  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:49:59pm

re: #147 HoosierHoops

What am I doing wrong? Grrr.

A direct link should work just fine.
Your text to link…

154 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:50:14pm

re: #94 SanFranciscoZionist

In preference of impregnating his brother’s wife. It’s not as though he just went off into the hills, jerked off, and got in trouble over it.

I guess that would depend on his late brother’s wife…

155 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:51:25pm

[Link: i1002.photobucket.com…]

156 abolitionist  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:52:03pm

re: #147 HoosierHoops

What am I doing wrong? Grrr.
Image: ?action=view&current=JordanandchildinIraq.jpg

The link in your #141 worked for me. Downloaded it, even. Perhaps the site detects surges in traffic, or something.

157 Fenris  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:52:14pm

re: #152 fenrisdesigns

Another in a long line of petitions and donations I dearly regret. The rest of my regrets are a little moonbattier.

158 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:52:33pm

re: #151 LudwigVanQuixote

OK guys! with that, I shall have to wish you all a good Shabbos, a great weekend and all sorts of good wishes.

CL, have a pleasant break of your fast.

Everyone be well!

Gut Shabbos, chaver!

159 Stan the Demanded Plan  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:52:44pm

re: #135 iceweasel

Obama has the seed of Islam?

I planted the seed of Islam in my Scottish kitchen and all I got was this lousy cilantro. /

Howdy LGF! miss you, can’t really type at the moment. :(

Great to hear from you!

160 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:53:03pm

re: #155 HoosierHoops

[Link: i1002.photobucket.com…]

It worked! That’s my Boy!!

161 zora  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:53:14pm

re: #141 HoosierHoops

I’m happy we are leaving Iraq…Here is a picture of my Son Jordan in Fallujah talking to a child..It was on the front page of a local newspaper..Hope this photobucket crap works.. I have over a GB to download from Fallujah
Image: ?action=view&current=JordanandchildinIraq.jpg

you must be bursting with pride?

162 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:53:47pm

re: #157 fenrisdesigns

Another in a long line of petitions and donations I dearly regret. The rest of my regrets are a little moonbattier.

Let’s hear ‘em!

163 iceweasel  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:54:21pm

re: #142 LudwigVanQuixote

So glad to see you before I have to sign off Ice! Please drop me a line sometime after Shabbos.

Will do! Shabbat Shalom my honey!

re: #137 Gus 802

Hi {{Iceweasel}}!

Hey! I missed you! Yay gus is here!

re: #139 allegro

I do believe that cilantro is the herb of the gods, so you came out ahead.

This cilantro is pretty sad I must say. :( How are you allegro?

re: #136 JasonA

You’re back!

{Weasel!}

Hey jason! how is your mom?? and you?

Hi hoops and everyone else too—

I sliced a tiny bit off my right index finger the other week, alas, and i cant really type even now. I basically cut off the pad on the finger that you use to type. Since I’m right handed and this is the index finger this is fucking up all sorts of stuff. :(

Wanted to say hi— i cant email anyone or even comment easily or for long. But hi!

164 Stan the Demanded Plan  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:54:47pm

re: #141 HoosierHoops

I’m happy we are leaving Iraq…Here is a picture of my Son Jordan in Fallujah talking to a child..It was on the front page of a local newspaper..Hope this photobucket crap works.. I have over a GB to download from Fallujah
Image: ?action=view&current=JordanandchildinIraq.jpg

Great photo. (open in new tab is the trick)

165 zora  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:54:53pm

re: #161 zora

you must be bursting with pride! not a question. pimf

166 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:55:47pm

If I had a powerful seed like the seed of Islam, or Christianity, or Judaism (or Buddhism, or Hinduism, or even Mormonism), I would first replicate it in the lab until I had millions of them, and go out and plant them in the hearts of my fellow humans.

Good thing such seeds only grow in one heart at a time, or there would be seed-wars.

167 abolitionist  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:55:58pm

re: #164 Stanley Sea

Great photo. (open in new tab is the trick)

That’s what I routely do.

168 iceweasel  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:56:36pm

re: #159 Stanley Sea

Great to hear from you!

yay stanley is here! I wanted to email you today but wine and stuff overtook! how are you?

btw i am now going full on ee cummings and eschewing capitalisation punctuation and more.

169 abolitionist  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:56:36pm

Routinely. (flakey keyboard here)

170 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:56:55pm

re: #166 Cato the Elder

If I had a powerful seed like the seed of Islam, or Christianity, or Judaism (or Buddhism, or Hinduism, or even Mormonism), I would first replicate it in the lab until I had millions of them, and go out and plant them in the hearts of my fellow humans.

Good thing such seeds only grow in one heart at a time, or there would be seed-wars.

Why would you want to plant a “seed” of any religion in anyone. That’s like wishing to give someone cancer.

171 Stan the Demanded Plan  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:58:34pm

re: #168 iceweasel

yay stanley is here! I wanted to email you today but wine and stuff overtook! how are you?

btw i am now going full on ee cummings and eschewing capitalisation punctuation and more.

All is well. You have been missed, but once Jimmah started popping in we felt the force.

Hope your Scottish household is developing well!!

172 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:59:11pm

re: #135 iceweasel

Obama has the seed of Islam?

I planted the seed of Islam in my Scottish kitchen and all I got was this lousy cilantro. /

Howdy LGF! miss you, can’t really type at the moment. :(

{{Ice!}}

173 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 4:59:31pm

re: #170 Walter L. Newton

Why would you want to plant a “seed” of any religion in anyone. That’s like wishing to give someone cancer.

Your gratuitous atheist snark aside, apparently you didn’t read the second sentence.

174 Interesting Times  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:00:31pm

re: #163 iceweasel

I sliced a tiny bit off my right index finger the other week, alas, and i cant really type even now. I basically cut off the pad on the finger that you use to type. Since I’m right handed and this is the index finger this is fucking up all sorts of stuff. :(

Ow, ow, ow, it hurts just reading that! So sorry you had to experience it, er, first hand :( I’d been thinking what a shame it was that you weren’t around for the mega mosque of doooom discussions (I figured as a native New Yorker, you’d have had all kinds of extra info/insights to add)

Giving the difficulty of typing at the moment, have you considered something like this? [Link: www.nuance.com…]

175 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:01:26pm

{Ice} Missed you girl.. I have an address for moving..It’s always nice to have a destination in a new town…
Hope that finger gets well.. we have lots of emails to catch up on

176 Fenris  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:01:27pm

re: #162 wrenchwench

Let’s hear ‘em!

Let’s see…signing a David Horowitz petition in 2007, signing about half of everything coming out of MoveOn between 2004 and 2007, there’s probably some anti-Israel stuff buried in my conscience from 2006…

Wait, wait, you didn’t mean that, did you? Durnit…

177 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:02:01pm

re: #173 Cato the Elder

Your gratuitous atheist snark aside, apparently you didn’t read the second sentence.

Apparently I did, or else I wouldn’t have warned the world of your nefarious plan. Keep your religion out of my heart.

178 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:02:44pm

re: #163 iceweasel

Owie! Well it’s good to see you minus a small body part :> Missed you, dear (and your beloved).

179 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:04:59pm

re: #176 fenrisdesigns

Let’s see…signing a David Horowitz petition in 2007, signing about half of everything coming out of MoveOn between 2004 and 2007, there’s probably some anti-Israel stuff buried in my conscience from 2006…

Wait, wait, you didn’t mean that, did you? Durnit…

Sure, confession is good for the soul. Someday I might confess about my role in the Citizens Party, and my employment as a lackey to Community Organizers.

180 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:05:19pm

re: #163 iceweasel

I badly hurt my off-hand (right) index finger back in 2002. Cut through both the nerve and the tendon on the nail side. It was months before typing was normal again, and my finger still has a permanent crook at the foremost knuckle.

The only thing it helps with is finger-picking my guitar. I’m an index-finger thrasher!

Hope you get better soon and that your cilantro turns out lots of good flavors.

181 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:05:33pm

re: #160 HoosierHoops

It worked! That’s my Boy!!

What a great pic! Glad he’s coming home, Hoops!

182 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:06:23pm

re: #177 Walter L. Newton

Apparently I did, or else I wouldn’t have warned the world of your nefarious plan. Keep your religion out of my heart.

If you refuse to let it in, how could I possibly put it there?

Are you trying to pick a fight with me?

183 Bob Levin  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:06:23pm

re: #142 LudwigVanQuixote

I was going to make that joke, but you got there first. Well played.

184 iceweasel  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:06:43pm

re: #171 Stanley Sea

All is well. You have been missed, but once Jimmah started popping in we felt the force.

Hope your Scottish household is developing well!!

Oh yeah! I have all these pictures to send you— missed you!

I cant type and this is horrible. I started dictating an email to Jimmah for you and it was all so annoying that I reckoned i’d have to just do it myself later— but i have pics for you and a few emails written in my head!

i suppose tghe one benefit of this is that I have a huge finger wrapped in white which i can do nothing with but point. /

It’s kinda funny. We’ve been doing loads of domestic and diy stuff— it’s annoying to be sidelined but kind of fun that i can’t do dishes/ :-)

185 Fenris  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:07:26pm

re: #179 wrenchwench

Sure, confession is good for the soul. Someday I might confess about my role in the Citizens Party, and my employment as a lackey to Community Organizers.

I’m listening.

186 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:07:31pm

re: #180 Cato the Elder

Hope you get better soon and that your cilantro turns out lots of good flavors.

My cilantro keeps turning into coriander.

187 Vambo  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:07:36pm

re: #84 austin_blue

Been going on a long time, my man.

My all time favorite Biblical reference to masturbation:

“Onan spilled his seed upon the ground.”

Gasp!

I like the one about the “discharge from his member”. I think it was Leviticus… basically it said that it was ok for a man to masturbate(!!!!!), he just had to clean up afterward.

188 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:07:59pm

What is it about late summer that seems to cause everything to fall apart? First my modem burned out a couple weeks ago. Then the Explorer starts acting up. And now my glasses just broke when it’s too late in the day to get them fixed.

189 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:08:40pm

re: #14 Charles

Now I’ve seen everything. A sleeper popped up in the previous thread and defended antisemitic hate monger Father Coughlin.

I’m starting to think this Internet thing was a really bad idea.


Image: mass-media-theory.gif

190 Vambo  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:08:48pm

re: #188 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What is it about late summer that seems to cause everything to fall apart? First my modem burned out a couple weeks ago. Then the Explorer starts acting up. And now my glasses just broke when it’s too late in the day to get them fixed.

Mercury Retrograde

//according to a friend who is super hardcore into astrology while I am just like “ehh”

191 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:10:45pm

re: #185 fenrisdesigns

I’m listening.

Gosh, look at the time! I’ll get back to you.

Image: e95f76c6-469b-486e-9d18-b2c600ff7ab6.jpg

Later, lizards!

192 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:10:49pm

re: #182 Cato the Elder

If you refuse to let it in, how could I possibly put it there? Are you trying to pick a fight with me?

Lighten up… your sarcasm meter broke tonight?

193 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:10:56pm

re: #186 wrenchwench

My cilantro keeps turning into coriander.

Apparently (I just looked them up) the two words are synonymous, but up till now I always thought that cilantro was the fresh stuff, whilst coriander was the seeds.

And there we are again, back to the thread topic. Is Obama bright, fresh cilantro leaves, or is he some dried-up old coriander?

194 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:11:34pm

re: #181 marjoriemoon

What a great pic! Glad he’s coming home, Hoops!

Hi You..Thank you so much..Jordan is home from the 3/5th Marines..But I have not felt comfortable posting the thousands of the pics He gave me until all the Marines came home…He was always my Avatar while in Iraq.. When he got home..The following day I put up an avatar of my little dog floating around the pool….God Bless our troops!
Yes Lizards..That dumb picture of Jordan standing in front of the CP in his underwear flexing his muscles is going on-line…you shouldn’t have sent it home Jordan! Hehehe

195 wrenchwench  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:11:43pm

re: #193 Cato the Elder

Apparently (I just looked them up) the two words are synonymous, but up till now I always thought that cilantro was the fresh stuff, whilst coriander was the seeds.

I believe you are correct there.

196 austin_blue  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:11:50pm

re: #187 Vambo

I like the one about the “discharge from his member”. I think it was Leviticus… basically it said that it was ok for a man to masturbate(!!!), he just had to clean up afterward.

You can’t get away that in the RCC:

Youtube Video
197 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:12:15pm

re: #191 wrenchwench

Gosh, look at the time! I’ll get back to you.

Image: e95f76c6-469b-486e-9d18-b2c600ff7ab6.jpg

Later, lizards!

Could be. Checking the main unit now. I might need an overhaul.

198 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:13:02pm

re: #197 Cato the Elder

Sorry, that was meant for #192.

199 iceweasel  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:13:38pm

re: #180 Cato the Elder

hey cato! miss you too and will email— this is so fucking annoying, nothing like your injury there though.

loads of news to tell you!

and you just have to suffer through my typos and lack of capitals and other stuff. i will rely on your affection.
how are you and haku?

PS to everyone: iit takes me a long time to type so if i’m not answering someone that is why.

200 Stan the Demanded Plan  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:14:20pm

re: #184 iceweasel

Well, heal as fast as you can, I’ll be looking for them. Saw a “view from your window” the other day from Scotland, thought about your little love nest.

War story time:

I cut a tendon in my left little finger a few years ago, nasty. Doing something stupid with a knife. The bandage/splint thing was unbelievably large.

Best part was when I went for my 2 physical therapy sessions. They were awesome, basically hand massages which I loved. Wish insurance had paid for more than 2, but I healed perfectly.

201 iceweasel  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:15:40pm

re: #193 Cato the Elder

Apparently (I just looked them up) the two words are synonymous, but up till now I always thought that cilantro was the fresh stuff, whilst coriander was the seeds.

UK uses the terms differently— you are right btw.

202 Jimmah  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:16:04pm

re: #193 Cato the Elder

Apparently (I just looked them up) the two words are synonymous, but up till now I always thought that cilantro was the fresh stuff, whilst coriander was the seeds.

In the UK, we call it “coriander leaves” (although to be honest I’ve always found the stalks to be tastier than the actual leaves themselves)

203 Stan the Demanded Plan  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:16:39pm

re: #193 Cato the Elder

Apparently (I just looked them up) the two words are synonymous, but up till now I always thought that cilantro was the fresh stuff, whilst coriander was the seeds.

And there we are again, back to the thread topic. Is Obama bright, fresh cilantro leaves, or is he some dried-up old coriander?

I’d say bright and fresh cilantro. Rick Bayless’ restaurant in Chicago is said to be one of his and FLOTUS’ favorites - Topolobampo

[Link: www.rickbayless.com…]

204 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:19:11pm

re: #187 Vambo

I like the one about the “discharge from his member”. I think it was Leviticus… basically it said that it was ok for a man to masturbate(!!!), he just had to clean up afterward.

Ejaculation makes a man ritually unclean, so he would need to wash before rejoining the camp.

Adults in Biblical proto-Judaism pretty much spent their whole lives weaving back and forth between ritual purity and impurity

205 Jimmah  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:19:18pm

re: #187 Vambo

I like the one about the “discharge from his member”. I think it was Leviticus… basically it said that it was ok for a man to masturbate(!!!), he just had to clean up afterward.

It’s the long suppressed 11th commandment : “Thou shalt use tissues when jacking off”

206 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:21:05pm

I think I got this photobucket..Jordan.. A bad ass effen United States Marine that has a heart of Gold..
[Link: i1002.photobucket.com…]

207 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:23:26pm

re: #168 iceweasel

yay stanley is here! I wanted to email you today but wine and stuff overtook! how are you?

btw i am now going full on ee cummings and eschewing capitalisation punctuation and more.

Hope you feel better soon!









e e cummings

i carry your heart with me(i carry it in
my heart)i am never without it(anywhere
i go you go,my dear; and whatever is done
by only me is your doing,my darling)
i fear
no fate(for you are my fate,my sweet)i want
no world(for beautiful you are my world,my true)
and it’s you are whatever a moon has always meant
and whatever a sun will always sing is you

here is the deepest secret nobody knows
(here is the root of the root and the bud of the bud
and the sky of the sky of a tree called life;which grows
higher than the soul can hope or mind can hide)
and this is the wonder that’s keeping the stars apart

i carry your heart(i carry it in my heart)

Edward Estlin Cummings

209 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:25:39pm

re: #206 HoosierHoops

I think I got this photobucket..Jordan.. A bad ass effen United States Marine that has a heart of Gold..
[Link: i1002.photobucket.com…]

That’s a very studly young man! If you don’t mind my saying so!

210 Jimmah  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:27:33pm

re: #174 publicityStunted

Ow, ow, ow, it hurts just reading that! So sorry you had to experience it, er, first hand :( I’d been thinking what a shame it was that you weren’t around for the mega mosque of dooom discussions (I figured as a native New Yorker, you’d have had all kinds of extra info/insights to add)

Giving the difficulty of typing at the moment, have you considered something like this? [Link: www.nuance.com…]

Hi publicity stunted! Ice asks me to tell you she’s a big fan (me too btw!). Thanks for the suggestion but I think her finger will heal before we get anything like that sorted out. We also have a ‘Bamboo’ tablet and pen which lets you write freehand and converts it to type for you (works surprisingly well) but even that is causing her too much pain to use much.

On the subject of voice recognition software, I had to make a phone call last week and encountered a software-based customer service ‘bot’ which didn’t understand me until I started answering in an English accent. That cracked ice up big time :)

211 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:28:39pm

My last picture tonight of Jordan..When Jordan and his best friend got home from Iraq this is the picture of their first beer… Look at their Admiration of a cold beer…Our Heros!
[Link: i1002.photobucket.com…]

212 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:29:45pm

re: #199 iceweasel

hey cato! miss you too and will email— this is so fucking annoying, nothing like your injury there though.

loads of news to tell you!

and you just have to suffer through my typos and lack of capitals and other stuff. i will rely on your affection.
how are you and haku?

PS to everyone: iit takes me a long time to type so if i’m not answering someone that is why.

Actually I imagine your injury is more annoying. Once the bandages came off I was at least able to stab at the keyboard without wincing. It was recalculating the trajectory that sucked.

I do not count typos against those I am not in the immediate process of mocking.

Haku is well, I am hanging in. Nothing very new to report.

Enjoy the not-washing-dishes part. That was the best aspect for me, too!

213 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:33:14pm

re: #204 SanFranciscoZionist

I think it’s pretty groovy that Judaism speaks to things like hygiene.

214 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:35:01pm

Btw, didn’t Henry Ford push his anti-Semitic propaganda on Father Coughlin’s radio show? I think he read aloud some of his writings.

215 iceweasel  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:38:47pm

re: #214 marjoriemoon

Btw, didn’t Henry Ford push his anti-Semitic propaganda on Father Coughlin’s radio show? I think he read aloud some of his writings.

Yes. That is, some of Ford’s antisemitic shit was read out on Coughlin’s program. i don’t think (?) by ford, but there is some famous recollection by a jewish (American) writer of walking down a street in brooklyn and hearing coughlin’s show blaring antisemitic (ford) propaganda— out of every window on a nice summer day.

216 Racer X  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:44:01pm

These are classic. People are so stupid.

I couldn’t find my luggage at the airport baggage area and went to the lost luggage office and reported the loss. The woman there smiled and told me not to worry because she was a trained professional and said I was in good hands. ‘Now,’ she asked me,
‘Has your plane arrived yet?’…
(I work with professionals like this.)

They Walk Among Us!

217 iceweasel  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:44:16pm

re: #207 prairiefire

Hope you feel better soon!

e e cummings

i carry your heart with me(i carry it in
my heart)i am never without it(anywhere
i go you go,my dear; and whatever is done
by only me is your doing,my darling)
i fear
no fate(for you are my fate,my sweet)i want
no world(for beautiful you are my world,my true)
and it’s you are whatever a moon has always meant
and whatever a sun will always sing is you

here is the deepest secret nobody knows
(here is the root of the root and the bud of the bud
and the sky of the sky of a tree called life;which grows
higher than the soul can hope or mind can hide)
and this is the wonder that’s keeping the stars apart

i carry your heart(i carry it in my heart)

Edward Estlin Cummings

posted that many times here my dear to jimmah, as well as the 17th (?) century philp sydney poem which it references— thank you so much. :)

As for me:
What a thrill/ my thumb instead of an onion.

218 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:44:56pm

re: #215 iceweasel

Yes. That is, some of Ford’s antisemitic shit was read out on Coughlin’s program. i don’t think (?) by ford, but there is some famous recollection by a jewish (American) writer of walking down a street in brooklyn and hearing coughlin’s show blaring antisemitic (ford) propaganda— out of every window on a nice summer day.

I found a site that puts them firmly together. I was hesitating to post it because it’s attached to a site that’s anti-AA which I find appalling. But it has pictures of Ford receiving the Grand Cross from the Third Reich and Ford’s published anti-Semitic literature.

And this bit:


Henry Ford’s anti-semitic campaign brought him so much trouble that he ostensibly backed off and declared that he was repudiating anti-Semitism and The International Jew. Ford met with some Jewish leaders and declared peace. But Ford really just switched to using front men like Father Charles Coughlin, the father of hate radio, to promote his opinions. Father Coughlin republished, with the help of Henry Ford and his secretary Ernest Liebold, more rabidly hateful anti-Semitic literature, The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion.50

I know it’s a no-no to post without links, but if you google “father coughlin henry ford” it’s the first link that comes up.

219 Racer X  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:45:10pm

Some guy bought a new fridge for his house. To get rid of his old fridge, he put it in his front yard and hung a sign on it saying: ‘Free to good home. You want it, you take it.’
For three days the fridge sat there without anyone looking twice.
He eventually decided that people were too mistrustful of this deal. So he changed the sign to read: ‘Fridge for sale $50.’

The next day someone stole it!

They walk amongst us!

220 Racer X  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:45:46pm

I stopped at Mc Donald’s and ordered some fries. The girl behind the counter said “Would you like some fries with that?”

221 iceweasel  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:49:24pm

re: #218 marjoriemoon

I found a site that puts them firmly together. I was hesitating to post it because it’s attached to a site that’s anti-AA which I find appalling. But it has pictures of Ford receiving the Grand Cross from the Third Reich and Ford’s published anti-Semitic literature.

And this bit:

I know it’s a no-no to post without links, but if you google “father coughlin henry ford” it’s the first link that comes up.

anti AA? Alcoholics anonymous? (sorry, late here)

(ford of course was a massive antisemite and published the proctocols of the elders of zion in the us so..)

222 Lidane  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:50:28pm

*sigh*

Late to this thread, since I’ve spent the better part of the day nursing a wine-induced hangover. Apparently, grad school is exactly like undergrad, except the free booze is much higher quality.

I think I’ll just let Penn Jillette speak to Franklin Graham for me:

Youtube Video
223 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:51:54pm

In case “Sallie Parker” is still reading here:

You claimed that no one could cite anti-Semitic rhetoric by Fucker Coughlin.

Wiki:

After the 1936 election, Coughlin increasingly expressed sympathy for the fascist policies of Hitler and Mussolini as an antidote to Bolshevism.[17] His CBS radio broadcasts became suffused with antisemitic themes. He blamed the Depression on an “international conspiracy of Jewish bankers”, and also claimed that Jewish bankers were behind the Russian Revolution. On November 27, 1938, he said “There can be no doubt that the Russian Revolution … was launched and fomented by distinctively Jewish influence.”

He began publication of a magazine, Social Justice, during this period. Coughlin claimed that Marxist atheism in Europe was a Jewish plot against America. The December 5, 1938 issue of Social Justice included an article by Coughlin which reportedly closely resembled a speech made by Joseph Goebbels on September 13, 1935 attacking Jews, atheists and communists, with some sections being copied verbatim by Coughlin from an English translation of the Goebbels speech. At a rally in the Bronx in 1938, he reportedly gave a Nazi salute and said, “When we get through with the Jews in America, they’ll think the treatment they received in Germany was nothing.”[18] However, the source of this quote is not identified and contemporary sources do not include this statement. Coughlin did state “Nothing can be gained by linking ourselves with any organization which is engaged in agitating racial animosities or propagating racial hatreds.” (NY TImes, Feb. 27, 1939). Furthermore, in an interview with Edward Doherty of The Liberty magazine, Coughlin states:
“My purpose is to help eradicate from the world its mania for persecution, to help align all good men. Catholic and Protestant, Jew and Gentile, Christian and non-Christian, in a battle to stamp out the ferocity, the barbarism and the hate of this bloody era. I want the good Jews with me, and I’m called a Jew baiter, an anti-Semite.”[19]

On November 20, 1938, two weeks after Kristallnacht, Coughlin, referring to the millions of Christians killed by the Russian Marxists, said “Jewish persecution only followed after Christians first were persecuted.”[20] After this speech, and as his programs became more antisemitic, some radio stations, including those in New York and Chicago, began refusing to air his speeches without pre-approved scripts; in New York, his programs were cancelled by WINS and WMCA, leaving Coughlin to broadcasting on the Newark part-time station WHBI. On December 18, 1938 two thousand of Coughlin’s followers marched in New York protesting potential asylum law changes that would allow more Jews (including refugees from Hitler’s persecution) into the U.S., chanting, “Send Jews back where they came from in leaky boats!” and “Wait until Hitler comes over here!” The protests continued for several months. Donald Warren, using information from the FBI and German government archives, has also argued that Coughlin received indirect funding from Nazi Germany during this period.[21]

After 1936, Coughlin began supporting an organization called the Christian Front, which claimed him as an inspiration. In January 1940, a New York City unit of the Christian Front was raided by the FBI for plotting to overthrow the government. Coughlin had never been a member but his reputation suffered a fatal decline.[22]

224 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:55:43pm

re: #221 iceweasel

anti AA? Alcoholics anonymous? (sorry, late here)

(ford of course was a massive antisemite and published the proctocols of the elders of zion in the us so..)

Yea. Alcoholics Anonymous. I think he’s trying to link Bill to Nazis through an association with Bill’s priest … or something… I had other links about Ford and Coughlin but I can’t find them.

225 iceweasel  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:56:18pm

btw, a new jimmah-ice production….

Youtube Video

hey wingnuts! Where are you?

226 TedStriker  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:57:32pm

re: #223 Cato the Elder

In case “Sallie Parker” is still reading here:

You claimed that no one could cite anti-Semitic rhetoric by Fucker Coughlin.

Wiki:

You just gave “Sallie” some beat-off material…

227 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 5:59:59pm

re: #223 Cato the Elder

Indeed.

Jewish Virtual Library has many pages on this low life. Each of which can be referenced.

228 HoosierHoops  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:00:53pm

re: #225 iceweasel

Sorry Train…

I need a sign to let me know you’re here
All of these lines are being crossed over the atmosphere
I need to know that things are gonna look up
‘Cause I feel us drowning in a sea spilled from a cup

When there is no place safe and no safe place to put my head
When you feel the world shake from the words that are said

[Chorus:]
And I’m calling all wingnuts
I’m calling all you wingnuts

I won’t give up if you dont give up [Repeat x4]

I need a sign to let me know you’re here
‘Cause my TV set just keeps it all from being clear
I want a reason for the way things have to be
I need a hand to help build up some kind of hope inside of me

[Chorus:]
And I’m calling all wingnuts
I’m calling all you wingnuts

229 celticdragon  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:02:26pm

re: #14 Charles

Now I’ve seen everything. A sleeper popped up in the previous thread and defended antisemitic hate monger Father Coughlin.

I’m starting to think this Internet thing was a really bad idea.

I couldn’t frakking believe that.

Father “Gotta luv dem Nazis” Coughlin????

Did she get lost on the way to Stormfront or something?

230 iceweasel  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:04:13pm

re: #224 marjoriemoon

Yea. Alcoholics Anonymous. I think he’s trying to link Bill to Nazis through an association with Bill’s priest … or something… I had other links about Ford and Coughlin but I can’t find them.

ah ok—
there is some very fucked up shit about AA and bill white. Not so much nazi shit (that i did not know about)— other stuff.

Me personally, I don’t have an issue with AA generally because they do demonstrably help people.

I DO have an issue with them because their help is larded with very christian notions often. I also know people who were harmed by AA (groups).
AA in general is (i think) more helpful than not, and I know many people who were helped by them.
I also know people who were harmed by AA.

thirteenth stepping, etc.

231 celticdragon  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:05:16pm

re: #39 Racer X

The conspiracy theories involving Bush taking over and putting Americans into concentration camps was laughably ridiculous when proposed by those on the left. It is more ridiculous now that the right have adopted it as their conspiracy theory.

“I’m the crazy one!”
“No you’re not, I’m the crazier one!”

The folks on the Right are more willing (historically speaking) to kill lots of other Americans over their pet conspiracy theories.

232 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:06:36pm

re: #225 iceweasel

btw, a new jimmah-ice production…


[Video]hey wingnuts! Where are you?

Ha!

233 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:07:43pm

re: #230 iceweasel

The Thirteenth Step, you say?

Youtube Video
234 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:11:37pm

Aww, e e cummings was an ardent supporter of MaCarthy. Crap
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

235 iceweasel  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:12:11pm

re: #233 WindUpBird

The Thirteenth Step, you say?


[Video]

yaay wub is here!! :)

re: #232 Killgore Trout

Ha!

heh— hey kt, may have some gardening questions for you soon if that’s cool. Hope you’re well and my best to the kitties (and esp the neurotic kittie)

236 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:12:13pm

re: #234 prairiefire

McCarthy pimf

237 iceweasel  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:13:28pm

re: #234 prairiefire

Aww, e e cummings was an ardent supporter of MaCarthy. Crap
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Awww, I bet that was news to you. Sad face.

238 Varek Raith  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:14:25pm

re: #237 iceweasel

Awww, I bet that was news to you. Sad face.

You’re back!

239 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:15:12pm

re: #235 iceweasel

yaay wub is here!! :)

re: #232 Killgore Trout

heh— hey kt, may have some gardening questions for you soon if that’s cool. Hope you’re well and my best to the kitties (and esp the neurotic kittie)

No problem.

240 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:16:38pm

re: #230 iceweasel

They don’t actually demonstrably help people. It’s really hard to demonstrate the success or failure for something like AA. There is no good reason to believe they have any effectiveness at all.

There are also two forms of AA: there’s the ‘twelve steps’, which is what AA claims it’s really about, and there are the meetings. AA itself doesn’t claim that meetings help people remain sober, only that following the twelve steps do.

It’s all a very mixed bag, and I think generalized therapy is a lot better than AA, since it doesn’t come with weird evangelical baggage.

241 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:17:14pm

My hubby still has his copy of “i carry your heart with me” in his wallet from 15 years ago. It is certainly well worn.

242 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:19:04pm

re: #230 iceweasel

ah ok—
there is some very fucked up shit about AA and bill white. Not so much nazi shit (that i did not know about)— other stuff.

Me personally, I don’t have an issue with AA generally because they do demonstrably help people.

I DO have an issue with them because their help is larded with very christian notions often. I also know people who were harmed by AA (groups).
AA in general is (i think) more helpful than not, and I know many people who were helped by them.
I also know people who were harmed by AA.

thirteenth stepping, etc.

I think it’s the best thing going. It keeps people sober the longest. Of course, there’s no “cure” which is what I’m thinking this guy is stuck on.

It’s not supposed to be about Christianity or any religion. If you find a room like that, go find another, but keep looking. (is my advice :>)

243 elbruce  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:19:11pm

Reminds me of one of my favorite Boondocks episodes: “Who’s side are you on? Mine, or this m***f*** who’s obviously of terrorist descent?”

244 Four More Tears  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:20:10pm

Heh. I’m shipping something to a customer whose last name is “Daft.”

245 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:20:33pm

re: #240 Obdicut

They don’t actually demonstrably help people. It’s really hard to demonstrate the success or failure for something like AA. There is no good reason to believe they have any effectiveness at all.

There are also two forms of AA: there’s the ‘twelve steps’, which is what AA claims it’s really about, and there are the meetings. AA itself doesn’t claim that meetings help people remain sober, only that following the twelve steps do.

It’s all a very mixed bag, and I think generalized therapy is a lot better than AA, since it doesn’t come with weird evangelical baggage.

It’s effective because it’s a support system. And that is probably the single most important thing with people wrestling with addiction.

The program works if you work it. Seriously. Not everyone can be helped either, and they talk about that too.

246 prairiefire  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:21:45pm

re: #244 JasonA

Heh. I’m shipping something to a customer whose last name is “Daft.”

I enjoy all the different names and addresses from internet business. There are some interesting combinations.

247 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:23:11pm

re: #242 marjoriemoon

They only manage to retain 75% of people after a year, according to their own data. As I said, studies of effectiveness for a self-selected population are really hard to do— are people joining AA because they have a huge problem and are desperate, or because they have decided they need to quite?— but there isn’t actually any good data to show that they are more effective than nothing at all.

For those who get sober while attending AA, they tend to credit AA, but even then we have no way of knowing if the same people, without AA, might not have stopped drinking on their own. About 5% of ‘alcoholics’ (itself a tricky category) spontaneously stop drinking over their lifetime without recidivism (a grim number.) An internal AA report indicated that they had exactly the same effectiveness over time— 5%.

248 iceweasel  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:26:47pm

re: #240 Obdicut

They don’t actually demonstrably help people. It’s really hard to demonstrate the success or failure for something like AA. There is no good reason to believe they have any effectiveness at all.

There are also two forms of AA: there’s the ‘twelve steps’, which is what AA claims it’s really about, and there are the meetings. AA itself doesn’t claim that meetings help people remain sober, only that following the twelve steps do.

It’s all a very mixed bag, and I think generalized therapy is a lot better than AA, since it doesn’t come with weird evangelical baggage.

I’m aware of all of that— but I’m generally hesitant to slag off AA because I do know a few people who attribute their sobriety to AA.

I feel about AA as I do religion in general— hey, if it works for you, who am I to criticise?

I know quite a few people for whom its worked. I don’t think you can claim ‘there’s the meetings’ and ‘then there’s the 12 steps’. Most people i know for whom its worked attended meetings and ignored the steps— but not at all.

I don’t think this unorganised amateur form of group therapy can take the place of rehab or counseling— but, for some folks it works. as you say, a mixed bag.

hey! congrats on marriage and moving! did you move? congrats!

249 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:26:56pm

re: #245 marjoriemoon

It’s effective because it’s a support system. And that is probably the single most important thing with people wrestling with addiction.

Not really— and I say this as someone who used to work with teen runaways with drug problems. It takes a genuine connection for a support system to really work, and AA has significant problems in that regard— a lot of members use AA as a dating service, basically, there’s a lot of codependent and abusive relationships observed in any particular meeting. We had to steer kids away from some AA and NA meetings because they had, basically, sexual predators in them.

But again, AA itself doesn’t say the meetings, the support system, are what work, they say it’s the twelve steps€.


The program works if you work it. Seriously. Not everyone can be helped either, and they talk about that too.

See above— this is a self-selection problem. The same person getting sober while on AA might have gotten sober without AA. It’s not possible to test, and it’s not possible to test the general population against AA either— but the most mass, overarching look suggests that AA can help about 5% of people, which is about the number that spontaneously give up alcohol on their own.

250 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:29:14pm

re: #248 iceweasel

I know quite a few people for whom its worked. I don’t think you can claim ‘there’s the meetings’ and ‘then there’s the 12 steps’. Most people i know for whom its worked attended meetings and ignored the steps— but not at all.


Well, it’s not me who claims there’s the meetings and there’s the twelve steps— that’s AA. AA claims the twelve steps are the path to sobriety, not the meetings. That’s not my opinion, that’s what they say.

And the problem is: would those same people have gotten sober without AA? It’s possible. Self-selection makes it nearly impossible to test.



hey! congrats on marriage and moving! did you move? congrats!

Yes. Why does food cost so much in this town? San Francisco is supposed to be expensive, but the food her costs much more, and isn’t as good.

However, the subways fucking rule. They’re like a superpower.

251 iceweasel  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:35:58pm

re: #250 Obdicut

Well, it’s not me who claims there’s the meetings and there’s the twelve steps— that’s AA. AA claims the twelve steps are the path to sobriety, not the meetings. That’s not my opinion, that’s what they say.

And the problem is: would those same people have gotten sober without AA? It’s possible. Self-selection makes it nearly impossible to test.

Yeah— sorry, its later here than it is for you. :) By ‘you’ i didnt mean you obdicut but the collective you.

BTW, agree with you— more on this later.

Yes. Why does food cost so much in this town? San Francisco is supposed to be expensive, but the food her costs much more, and isn’t as good.

However, the subways fucking rule. They’re like a superpower.

So fucking expensive— you need to travel OUT OF MANHATTAN for cheaper food, seriously.

252 iceweasel  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:37:06pm

oh my god i miss the subway!!! YEAH!

253 Jimmah  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:37:20pm

re: #250 Obdicut

Yes. Why does food cost so much in this town? San Francisco is supposed to be expensive, but the food her costs much more, and isn’t as good.

Food in NYC is cheap compared to the UK - except for snack food - crisps, chocolate etc.

I was amazed at how cheap steak is in NY, and the amount of good chinese food you can get for 5 dollars.

254 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:38:54pm

re: #251 iceweasel

I figured that was it. Luckily, all my friends live in Brooklyn, so I should find that easy enough to do.

I really love the pace of things. And I haven’t encountered any more rudeness than normal, except that people walk at a high speed.

And I love that everyone just tries to ignore the weather. It was raining; nobody wore a raincoat, very few used an umbrella. That’s how I am. “Fine, rain on me, see if I care.”

And it’s kitschy, but I live near the Islamic Cultural Center (shh, don’t tell Palin) and it’s nice seeing Orthodox Jews and Muslims intermingling. There’s a halal butcher right next to a kosher pizza restaurant, and lots of kibitzing going on.

255 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:40:51pm

I met a guy once who had to be hospitalized because the cranks at AA had told him he didn’t need no stinkin’ antidepressant meds - all he needed was “this program”.

Some of them equate any psychoactive drug whatsoever with booze.

And to those I say: blow it out your sober fundaments!

256 iceweasel  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:42:21pm

re: #254 Obdicut

I figured that was it. Luckily, all my friends live in Brooklyn, so I should find that easy enough to do.

I really love the pace of things. And I haven’t encountered any more rudeness than normal, except that people walk at a high speed.

And I love that everyone just tries to ignore the weather. It was raining; nobody wore a raincoat, very few used an umbrella. That’s how I am. “Fine, rain on me, see if I care.”

And it’s kitschy, but I live near the Islamic Cultural Center (shh, don’t tell Palin) and it’s nice seeing Orthodox Jews and Muslims intermingling. There’s a halal butcher right next to a kosher pizza restaurant, and lots of kibitzing going on.

You don’t get that in SF? Maybe not the speed walking, ok, but..?

I can’t find kosher salt easily here and that’s freaking me out.

257 iceweasel  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:45:52pm

re: #255 Cato the Elder

I met a guy once who had to be hospitalized because the cranks at AA had told him he didn’t need no stinkin’ antidepressant meds - all he needed was “this program”.

Some of them equate any psychoactive drug whatsoever with booze.

And to those I say: blow it out your sober fundaments!

That’s right— i’ve heard that too. Apparently it really varies widely from meeting to meeting.
I’m not going to rag on AA in part because I know people who go to meetings that are apparently really helpful and don’t have any of that shit.

258 Obdicut  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:46:27pm

re: #256 iceweasel

San Francisco doesn’t have a very big Jewish or Muslim population. It’s got a lot more Asian diversity than New York does, but not so much with a lot of other groups.

And people in SF tend to obsess about rain when its raining. I don’t really know why, but sidewalks turn into eye-poking parades. Of course, it only rains at all six months out of the year there.

I miss the intimacy of SF. I’ll be happy here for seven years, but I’m pretty sure I’ll want to go back at the end of that.

259 pharmmajor  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 6:55:05pm

“The seed passed through the father”… is Graham talking about semen?

260 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 7:58:51pm

re: #255 Cato the Elder

I met a guy once who had to be hospitalized because the cranks at AA had told him he didn’t need no stinkin’ antidepressant meds - all he needed was “this program”.

Some of them equate any psychoactive drug whatsoever with booze.

And to those I say: blow it out your sober fundaments!

That’s fucked, wow

261 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 7:59:35pm

re: #255 Cato the Elder

I met a guy once who had to be hospitalized because the cranks at AA had told him he didn’t need no stinkin’ antidepressant meds - all he needed was “this program”.

Some of them equate any psychoactive drug whatsoever with booze.

And to those I say: blow it out your sober fundaments!

I wonder if they equate insulin with booze

I wonder if any of them can tell you what SSRI stands for

262 Lidane  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 8:04:40pm

re: #255 Cato the Elder

I think it’s a mixed bag.

I’ve met a few AA fundamentalist types, evangelizing about the Big Book and about their sobriety, and expecting everyone else to treat them like super special snowflakes because they’re in recovery. Those people tend to piss off other addicts, too.

On the other hand, I’ve met some folks that have genuinely been helped by AA and have gotten their lives together. They’re grateful for the groups they’re in and for the support system they had while they were at their lowest point.

263 swamprat  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 8:25:13pm

re: #8 Happy4LA

So according to you, every faithful Muslim is obligated to try to kill our President? Am I reading you correctly?

I have never seen this particular spin; that Obama might be endangered from every observant Muslim, and that he should therefore regard them as his enemy, or at least a threat.

I’m sure he knows this and will be on guard.

264 MotorCityBadboy  Fri, Aug 20, 2010 8:57:35pm

Graham has the “seed of stupidity”.

265 elbruce  Sat, Aug 21, 2010 2:08:49am

re: #262 Lidane

I think it’s a mixed bag.

I’ve met a few AA fundamentalist types, evangelizing about the Big Book and about their sobriety, and expecting everyone else to treat them like super special snowflakes because they’re in recovery. Those people tend to piss off other addicts, too.

On the other hand, I’ve met some folks that have genuinely been helped by AA and have gotten their lives together. They’re grateful for the groups they’re in and for the support system they had while they were at their lowest point.

This is how I view it too: religion is a crutch. But why would you kick out a crutch from under a cripple?

266 Subroutine  Sat, Aug 21, 2010 5:56:22am

And Franklin Graham carries the “Stupid Gene.” And it’s dominant.

267 Happy4LA  Sat, Aug 21, 2010 9:10:37am

I’m surprised there’s so much negativity towards a NY Times link.

268 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Sat, Aug 21, 2010 2:51:15pm

re: #267 Happy4LA

I’m surprised there’s so much negativity towards a NY Times link.

You’re probably surprised by a lot of obvious things!

269 Happy4LA  Sat, Aug 21, 2010 4:29:21pm

re: #268 WindUpBird

You’re probably surprised by a lot of obvious things!

Are you always this pithy?


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