On the fourth day after Newt Gingrich bailed out and said he never agreed to attend, Pamela Geller’s American branch of the European “Stop Islamization” hate franchise is still falsely advertising Gingrich as a speaker at her anti-Muslim rally on September 11: Stop Islamization of America.
When will they stop using Gingrich’s name without his permission? And why hasn’t Newt Gingrich told them to remove it?
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:26:50pm |
Harbingers of violence in anti-mosque movement
Pamela Geller furiously rejects any responsibility for the threatening, racially charged tenor of yesterday's incident. But should anti-Muslim protesters here emulate her thuggish allies in the United Kingdom, nobody should be surprised when disorder and even bloodshed follow.Geller has declared herself a proud supporter of the English Defence League, a far-right street movement that sprang up in the United Kingdom earlier this year to protest planned construction of mosques and to stoke fear of Islam more broadly. She isn't troubled by the EDL's shadowy leadership, nor by its connections with English fascist organizations and propensity for violence against bystanders, counter-protesters and the police.
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TedStriker Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:26:51pm |
That Pamz picture never gets old, Charles... ;-P
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:27:36pm |
Ugh, first post is semi-ot. Sorry about that.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:28:02pm |
This is going to be an every day thing, isn't it? That's cool.
Maybe the crazy lady doesn't know that she can go back and edit entries she's already posted.
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jayzee Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:28:13pm |
And why hasn’t Newt Gingrich told them to remove it?
Are we sure he hasn't? Has she just started to utilize truther tactics-associating people with her cause even if they withdrew support?
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Fozzie Bear Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:29:06pm |
I think we can assume that she still has Gingrich's support, given that he doesn't seem to care that his name is being used to promote this.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:29:59pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:30:20pm |
Here is my strongest answer to teabags, Geller, Gingrich, Palin, Rush, Beck, Fox, the Ronulans, and all the rest of the neo-fascist fuckers.
Take a moment to remember what some Americans grew up seeing America as:
And by the way, there are more of us than there are rednecks and we are smarter.
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abolitionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:30:59pm |
And why hasn’t Newt Gingrich told them to remove it?
Maybe Newt's planning to play peekaboo with the crowd --surprise appearance.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:31:23pm |
Maybe Newt said she could keep using his name just in case he changes his mind...besides, she probably promised she'd let him look at her ta-tas if he didn't complain.
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:31:45pm |
That picture of Ms Geller is so appropriate for her bat guano craziness.
re: #3 Killgore Trout
Ugh, first post is semi-ot. Sorry about that.
I think it's on target. It may be only a matter of time before the heated rhetoric and signs lead to physical manifestations of bigotry. I hope it doesn't happen, but if it does, such acts will greatly diminish Ms Geller's "message of freedom."
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Fozzie Bear Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:33:13pm |
There just isn't any possible way this won't lead to bloodshed. This shit Geller is selling can have only one result.
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SlouchingPoet Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:34:05pm |
Stop using that picture of her! It freaks me out. I literally jump when the page loads.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:35:55pm |
The best anagram for Newt Gringrich is:
RETCHING WING
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Political Atheist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:36:07pm |
re: #12 DaddyG
I hope that goes top comment.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:37:19pm |
re: #13 Fozzie Bear
There just isn't any possible way this won't lead to bloodshed. This shit Geller is selling can have only one result.
I agree.
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:37:39pm |
re: #7 elbruce
Maybe somebody should ask him about that.
They should also ask Newt how long he's been banging Pam.
Tub's fixed!
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TedStriker Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:37:47pm |
re: #1 Killgore Trout
Geller has declared herself a proud supporter of the English Defence League, a far-right street movement that sprang up in the United Kingdom earlier this year to protest planned construction of mosques and to stoke fear of Islam more broadly
If that name doesn't scream "fascist", I don't know what does...and Pamz and her fellow travelers are in league with them.
I fear that this will all end badly for someone....
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:39:55pm |
re: #19 talon_262
If that name doesn't scream "fascist", I don't know what does...and Pamz and her fellow travelers are in league with them.
I fear that this will all end badly for someone...
The EDL are the current (with the BNP) banner holders of the torch past by the openly fascist National Front.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:41:34pm |
re: #18 Jeff In Ohio
They should also ask Newt how long he's been banging Pam.
Tub's fixed!
He is past due for a wife rotation. He's probably just waiting to hear back on her most recent medical exam first.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:41:36pm |
re: #18 Jeff In Ohio
They should also ask Newt how long he's been banging Pam.
Are you insinuating that the former Speaker of the House is some kind of adulterer? I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked and appalled./
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Bubblehead II Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:43:12pm |
re: #7 elbruce
How does this sound?
Mr. Gingritch;
It is my understanding that you have declined to speak at the Stop Islamization of America protest scheduled for 9/11/2010. If this is the case, were you aware that the founder of SIOA, Pamella Geller, still has you listed as being a confirmed speaker at the event? Link:[Link: sioaonline.com...]
I find it odd that if you have declined the invitation to speak, that she is still listing you as a confirmed speaker. Would you please clarify your stand on this matter.
Thank You.
XXXX XXXXXXX
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Wozza Matter? Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:43:25pm |
re: #20 wozzablog
The EDL are the current (with the BNP) banner holders of the torch passed by the openly fascist National Front.
pimf
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nines09 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:43:35pm |
Newt could still be feeling out the waters. Baiting and hatred and outright lies seem to work these days. That's voters out there, boy. Voters. Pandering schmuck.
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:44:04pm |
re: #22 elbruce
Are you insinuating that the former Speaker of the House is some kind of adulterer? I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked and appalled./
I just want him to come clean. For the sake of the country.
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TedStriker Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:44:47pm |
re: #23 Bubblehead II
How does this sound?
Mr. Gingrich;
It is my understanding that you have declined to speak at the Stop Islamization of America protest scheduled for 9/11/2010. If this is the case, were you aware that the founder of SIOA, Pamella Geller, still has you listed as being a confirmed speaker at the event? Link:[Link: sioaonline.com...]I find it odd that if you have declined the invitation to speak, that she is still listing you as a confirmed speaker. Would you please clarify your stand on this matter.
Thank You.
XXX XXX
PIYF... ;-P
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:45:11pm |
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TedStriker Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:46:40pm |
re: #26 Jeff In Ohio
I just want him to come clean. For the sake of the country.
Well, he does appear to be a dirty white boy...
///
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Bubblehead II Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:47:21pm |
re: #27 talon_262
re: #28 elbruce
Fat fingers.
Mr. Gingrich;
It is my understanding that you have declined to speak at the Stop Islamization of America protest scheduled for 9/11/2010. If this is the case, were you aware that the founder of SIOA, Pamella Geller, still has you listed as being a confirmed speaker at the event? Link:[Link: sioaonline.com...]
I find it odd that if you have declined the invitation to speak, that she is still listing you as a confirmed speaker. Would you please clarify your stand on this matter.
Thank You.
XXXX XXXXXX
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:48:00pm |
re: #4 elbruce
This is going to be an every day thing, isn't it? That's cool.
Maybe the crazy lady doesn't know that she can go back and edit entries she's already posted.
She's prolly busy at the beach, doing another bikini v-log.
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Bubblehead II Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:48:15pm |
and sent. Wonder if I will get a response?
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:49:38pm |
re: #29 talon_262
"Do we have a bunch of fucking rock and rollers out here tonight?"
No, it's a Foreigner concert.
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TedStriker Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:51:04pm |
re: #35 Jeff In Ohio
"Do we have a bunch of fucking rock and rollers out here tonight?"
No, it's a Foreigner concert.
That's just cold...
/likes Foreigner
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zxbe Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:51:47pm |
When will they stop using Gingrich’s name without his permission? And why hasn’t Newt Gingrich told them to remove it?
Newt figures the rally helps him even if he's not going to participate. It keeps the left on defense, despite how irrational and hate-based this event will be.
If there is any flap over the use of the promos, he can wave it off by saying he had asked that they be pulled. Geller issues a simple apology, the spots would get pulled. That would be the end of it. It's cheap politics.
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AntonSirius Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:52:16pm |
re: #28 elbruce
Got his name spelled wrong there
That does make it seem more authentically like it's from someone who might potentially vote for Newt though.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:52:26pm |
The grand sage shrieking harpy has apparently uncovered garbled audio of Rauf confirming he is a terrible bad evil person.
Ground Zero Imam Says U.S. Worse than al-Qaeda
After discussing the U.S.-led sanctions against Iraq under Saddam Hussein, Rauf went on to argue that America is to blame for its testy relationship with Islamic countries.
"What complicates the discussion, intra-Islamically, is the fact that the West has not been cognizant and has not addressed the issues of its own contribution to much injustice in the Arab and Muslim world." The audio was uncovered by blogger Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs.
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:52:36pm |
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:52:42pm |
Do you want the Mosque @ Ground Zero?
Sure, why not 44% (136 votes)
Hell no! 56% (176 votes)
Progress.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:52:57pm |
I hate to piss in the teabaggers' porridge, but they're going to have to put away their Islamic hate signs and start painting new ones to take them through the elections...
Welcome to the "sanctity of life" issue...just in time for the next news cycle.
A U.S. district court today halted the federal funding of human embryonic stem cell research, saying it involves the destruction of human embryos, potentially re-igniting a longtime cultural hot button issue just in time for the fall elections.
Yep...look forward to seeing pictures of bloody babies with Obama as Hitler next to them for the foreseeable future.
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TedStriker Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:53:59pm |
re: #42 darthstar
I hate to piss in the teabaggers' porridge, but they're going to have to put away their Islamic hate signs and start painting new ones to take them through the elections...
Welcome to the "sanctity of life" issue...just in time for the next news cycle.
Yep...look forward to seeing pictures of bloody babies with Obama as Hitler next to them for the foreseeable future.
Ugghhh, not this shit again...
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AntonSirius Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:54:34pm |
re: #36 talon_262
That's just cold...
/likes Foreigner
Cold as ice, even.
Hey, if you weren't gonna do it, somebody had to.
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:55:01pm |
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Kragar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:55:19pm |
re: #44 AntonSirius
Cold as ice, even.
Hey, if you weren't gonna do it, somebody had to.
And soon, we'll have double vision.
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TedStriker Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:55:33pm |
re: #44 AntonSirius
Cold as ice, even.
Hey, if you weren't gonna do it, somebody had to.
You're acting like it was Urgent or something...
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Kragar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:56:19pm |
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Fart Knocker Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:56:20pm |
re: #35 Jeff In Ohio
"Do we have a bunch of fucking rock and rollers out here tonight?"
No, it's a Foreigner concert.
Reminds me of a comic bit:
Guy is at a Dokken concert and the group's lead is asking the crowd "ARE YOU READY TO ROCK!!?" . When the lead is unimpressed with the crowds' screams he says "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!" The comedian responds "Pete Townsend could hear us, Hey Dokken, you suckin, why don't you get a jobbin you slobbin!!"
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Gus Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:57:08pm |
re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The grand sage shrieking harpy has apparently uncovered garbled audio of Rauf confirming he is a terrible bad evil person.
No different than what Rand Paul or Ron Paul have said. He's also speaking about the West and not specifically the USA. The truth is that's how people in the Middle East see things.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:57:20pm |
re: #49 rwdflynavy
Reminds me of a comic bit:
Guy is at a Dokken concert and the group's lead is asking the crowd "ARE YOU READY TO ROCK!!?" . When the lead is unimpressed with the crowds' screams he says "I CAN'T HEAR YOU!!!" The comedian responds "Pete Townsend could hear us, Hey Dokken, you suckin, why don't you get a jobbin you slobbin!!"
Dana Gould?
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darthstar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:57:20pm |
re: #43 talon_262
Ugghhh, not this shit again...
Yep...and this will last through October without the help of Geller and co. Though you can be sure Sarah Palin will be tweeting about embryos in the next few days so she can be credited with the new line of protests.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:57:24pm |
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TedStriker Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:57:56pm |
re: #45 JasonA
I'm just happy you didn't say Journey.
Hey, I like classic Journey...
With that last OT post till after #100, back on point...the silence from Gingrich on this is deafening.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:59:26pm |
re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The grand sage shrieking harpy has apparently uncovered garbled audio of Rauf confirming he is a terrible bad evil person.
And of course, he does not say "the US is worse than Al Qaeda."
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Fart Knocker Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:59:39pm |
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Fart Knocker Mon, Aug 23, 2010 1:59:52pm |
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Fozzie Bear Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:00:12pm |
re: #55 Charles
And of course, he does not say "the US is worse than Al Qaeda."
You and your "facts".
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Bubblehead II Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:00:26pm |
Well I got a roboresponse. Now lets see if they actually respond.
Thanks for your feedback at Newt.org
From:
Newt.org
Add to Contacts
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Thank you for sharing your concerns with us, we review all requests and share the feedback with Newt and the team. We will send a response if need be. Please visit [Link: newt.org...] for further information on the Issues you are most concerned with.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:04:37pm |
re: #57 rwdflynavy
It feels like the first time.
Can we knock it off with the head games about now? It's starting to get me hot blooded.
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AntonSirius Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:06:25pm |
The ratfucker in me wants to send Newt a bunch of mail asking why he's turned his back on Pamela Geller and the other patriots fighting for the rights of the 9/11 families, and against the Islamofascist infestation in New York.
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Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:07:10pm |
Speaking of sad and scary:
"The free exercise of religion and respect for private property are not a promising agenda for progressives."
I didn't know that Freedom of Religion and Respect for private property rights is no longer a constitutional point, but instead merely an agenda for progressives... wow.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:07:24pm |
re: #60 elbruce
Can we knock it off with the head games about now? It's starting to get me hot blooded.
Does it feel like the first time?
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Gus Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:07:29pm |
re: #55 Charles
And of course, he does not say "the US is worse than Al Qaeda."
Did a quick search on the transcript and Al-Qaeda is nowhere to be found.
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ShaunP Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:08:12pm |
re: #65 Gus 802
Did a quick search on the transcript and Al-Qaeda is nowhere to be found.
Imam Rauf just got Brietbarted...
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:08:56pm |
re: #55 Charles
And of course, he does not say "the US is worse than Al Qaeda."
Right... here is the exact quote...
"We tend to forget, in the West, that the United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than al-Qaeda has on its hands of innocent non Muslims," Feisal Abdul Rauf said at a 2005 lecture sponsored by the University of South Australia. After discussing the U.S.-led sanctions against Iraq under Saddam Hussein, Rauf went on to argue that America is to blame for its testy relationship with Islamic countries."
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Kragar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:10:48pm |
re: #67 Walter L. Newton
Right... here is the exact quote...
"We tend to forget, in the West, that the United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than al-Qaeda has on its hands of innocent non Muslims," Feisal Abdul Rauf said at a 2005 lecture sponsored by the University of South Australia. After discussing the U.S.-led sanctions against Iraq under Saddam Hussein, Rauf went on to argue that America is to blame for its testy relationship with Islamic countries."
So pretty much what Beck is on record as saying.
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Gus Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:11:22pm |
re: #67 Walter L. Newton
Right... here is the exact quote...
"We tend to forget, in the West, that the United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than al-Qaeda has on its hands of innocent non Muslims," Feisal Abdul Rauf said at a 2005 lecture sponsored by the University of South Australia. After discussing the U.S.-led sanctions against Iraq under Saddam Hussein, Rauf went on to argue that America is to blame for its testy relationship with Islamic countries."
OK I found it now. Here's some more context:
Islamic law, the text of Islam, the Koran is quite explicit on describing Christians and Jews as people of the book, and throughout Islamic history even Islamic scholars in India have actually included Hindus as being people of the book because Hindus were not yet involved - were not part of the society, of Arabic society, at the time of the prophet.
The complexity arises, sir, from the fact that - from political problems and the history of the politics between the West and the Muslim world. We tend to forget, in the West, that the United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than al Qaida has on its hands of innocent non Muslims. You may remember that the US lead sanction against Iraq lead to the death of over half a million Iraqi children. This has been documented by the United Nations. And when Madeleine Albright, who has become a friend of mine over the last couple of years, when she was Secretary of State and was asked whether this was worth it, said it was worth it.
What complicates the discussion, intra-Islamically, is the fact that the West has not been cognisant and has not addressed the issues of its own contribution to much injustice in the Arab and Muslim world. It is a difficult subject to discuss with Western audiences but it is one that must be pointed out and must be raised.
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TedStriker Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:11:36pm |
"We tend to forget, in the West, that the United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than al-Qaeda has on its hands of innocent non Muslims"
Historically speaking, that may be true...al-Qaeda has been limited to relatively small-scale operations (9/11, not withstanding), while collateral damage from our large-scale military operations in the Middle East have caused more casualties (something the US military has worked hard at to mitigate)
"What complicates the discussion, intra-Islamically, is the fact that the West has not been cognizant and has not addressed the issues of its own contribution to much injustice in the Arab and Muslim world."
I'll agree with that...with all of the oil interests in the Middle East, the Western countries (which includes the US) have used the Middle East as its private political and economic sandbox for most of the past century (and much longer if you factor in the religious wars, such as the Crusades). The West has typically treated Middle Easterners (and anyone that wasn't like them) as pawns in a global power game, valuable only for their natural resources. Things are somewhat better nowadays, but much still needs to be done.
The audio was uncovered by blogger Pamela Geller of Atlas Shrugs.
Pamz hasn't uncovered jack shit...except her ass (as in she's showing it on a daily basis, with the brain droppings she spews).
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Jeff In Ohio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:11:41pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:12:11pm |
re: #66 ShaunP
Imam Rauf just got Brietbarted...
And supposedly, the terrorism expert Steve Emerson, has 13 hours of tapes with controversial content by Rauf... probably fabricated. He's suppose to release the material this week.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:12:27pm |
Way, way OT, pardon me
(hope it's OK because the thread seems slow).
I just posted in pages a photo of the Earth with the moon in orbit, taken by Nasa probe 114 million miles away.
I just realized - if you post a photo in a page, and you click the photo, you will get a larger clearer version of it, and you don't even have to do anything special after you've uploaded the photo. Has that always been the case for the photos in pages?
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Kragar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:12:33pm |
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:12:45pm |
I suspect this is exactly how Newtie wants things.
He doesn't wish to be photographed with the hate-thugs, but he won't mind if people who support them think he does, too.
Kinda like the whole serial "dump-a-sick-wife-for-a-younger-prettier-healthier-one" peculiarity: he goes and confesses to Dobson, but will in all likelihood continue as an adulterer-at-will, when and as it suits him.
Jesus had some pretty specific things to say about people like Gingrich. I believe the term "whited sepulcher" would fit nicely here.
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:13:36pm |
re: #72 Walter L. Newton
And supposedly, the terrorism expert Steve Emerson, has 13 hours of tapes with controversial content by Rauf... probably fabricated. He's suppose to release the material this week.
Been there. Done that.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:13:57pm |
re: #67 Walter L. Newton
"We tend to forget, in the West, that the United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than al-Qaeda has on its hands of innocent non Muslims," Feisal Abdul Rauf said at a 2005 lecture sponsored by the University of South Australia.
Here's how to spin that the other way: "Imam Rauf cheers the United States for having a higher body count than Al Qaeda."
And I'm sure that there are some people in the Arab world putting it pretty much that way, using the exact same quote.
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Gus Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:15:06pm |
Don't forget folks. Not only do we practice selective freedom of religion for Muslims but we also practice selective freedom of speech for Muslims.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:15:11pm |
re: #77 elbruce
Here's how to spin that the other way: "Imam Rauf cheers the United States for having a higher body count than Al Qaeda."
And I'm sure that there are some people in the Arab world putting it pretty much that way, using the exact same quote.
Hey... Elbruce... I'm not spinning it in any way. So, what are you suggesting? I was simply bringing a quote forward from a link Charles supplied?
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TedStriker Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:16:10pm |
re: #79 Walter L. Newton
Hey... Elbruce... I'm not spinning it in any way. So, what are you suggesting? I was simply bringing a quote forward from a link Charles supplied?
I do believe he was talking about the quote, Walter...
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:16:37pm |
Cato, could you go teach Pammy how to properly use quotation marks?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:17:06pm |
re: #80 talon_262
I do believe he was talking about the quote, Walter...
I do believe he can speak for him/her self.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:17:10pm |
re: #72 Walter L. Newton
And supposedly, the terrorism expert Steve Emerson, has 13 hours of tapes with controversial content by Rauf... probably fabricated. He's suppose to release the material this week.
So, nu, let him release already, and we can all pick our favorite quotes and put them on signs.
But I don't get what sliming Rauf, justly or unjustly, is going to get anyone. I don't like hardly anything Noam Chomsky says that I can understand, but I don't protest his being allowed to do whatever the hell it is he does.
Let's say that Rauf is the Biggest Douche In the Universe, worse than that TV psychic. What actual difference does this make?
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:17:29pm |
re: #75 Cato the Elder
I suspect this is exactly how Newtie wants things.
He doesn't wish to be photographed with the hate-thugs, but he won't mind if people who support them think he does, too.
Exactly. It would be too damaging to show up at the protest, but he's not going to complain about her not taking his name down, because that could be viewed as opposing her message, which he doesn't want to do either. Remember, the guy lived in D.C. for a long time.
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ShaunP Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:18:12pm |
re: #72 Walter L. Newton
And supposedly, the terrorism expert Steve Emerson, has 13 hours of tapes with controversial content by Rauf... probably fabricated. He's suppose to release the material this week.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:18:37pm |
re: #79 Walter L. Newton
Hey... Elbruce... I'm not spinning it in any way. So, what are you suggesting? I was simply bringing a quote forward from a link Charles supplied?
I was referring to the "US is worse than Al Qaeda" characterization, not the clarification and context that you provided.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:18:55pm |
re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist
So, nu, let him release already, and we can all pick our favorite quotes and put them on signs.
But I don't get what sliming Rauf, justly or unjustly, is going to get anyone. I don't like hardly anything Noam Chomsky says that I can understand, but I don't protest his being allowed to do whatever the hell it is he does.
Let's say that Rauf is the Biggest Douche In the Universe, worse than that TV psychic. What actual difference does this make?
I haven't said anything about let's say, what if, why, or whatever. I just mentioned something.
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:19:01pm |
Beck responds to "good Muslim" Rauf interview with mockery and lies
On his radio program radio, Beck and his flunkies responded at length, mocking the idea that Beck ever "endorsed" Rauf, and saying instead that Beck endorsed the idea that "it's not all Islam, it's a small minority of Muslims" that commit violence
That has to be a backpeddling sprint record.
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AntonSirius Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:19:04pm |
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wrenchwench Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:19:45pm |
re: #66 ShaunP
Imam Rauf just got Brietbarted...
And, as when Shirley Sherrod was Breitbarted, I get access to some inspiring reading material.
Silver lining.
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wrenchwench Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:21:02pm |
re: #87 Walter L. Newton
I haven't said anything about let's say, what if, why, or whatever. I just mentioned something.
I heard Limbaugh say something like that. Where did you hear or read it?
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prairiefire Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:21:26pm |
re: #89 AntonSirius
Coulda been worse... could have been REO Speedwagon.
You can tune a piano but you can't tuna fish
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TedStriker Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:21:29pm |
re: #89 AntonSirius
Coulda been worse... could have been REO Speedwagon.
Hey, I like REO Spee...wait a minute! ;-P
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:21:31pm |
Appearantly the definition of "Moderate Muslim" has been dumbed down to mean anyone who claims to be of Muslim heritage of faith who is willing to assist in promoting anti-Muslim screeds. Sad.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:21:41pm |
re: #91 wrenchwench
I heard Limbaugh say something like that. Where did you hear or read it?
Same place.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:21:55pm |
re: #89 AntonSirius
Coulda been worse... could have been REO Speedwagon.
I think we'd have a hard time ridin' the storm out on that one.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:22:43pm |
re: #91 wrenchwench
I heard Limbaugh say something like that. Where did you hear or read it?
But, if you google "emerson mosque tapes" you get a number of articles on the expected release... I think all sourced from Geller.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:22:53pm |
re: #96 elbruce
I think we'd have a hard time ridin' the storm out on that one.
We'll be fine if we just take it on the run
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TedStriker Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:23:39pm |
re: #94 DaddyG
Appearantly the definition of "Moderate Muslim" has been dumbed down to mean anyone who claims to be of Muslim heritage of faith who is willing to assist in promoting anti-Muslim screeds. Sad.
In other words, those who could be considered "apostates", not those active in the faith...
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:24:06pm |
re: #42 darthstar
Welcome to the "sanctity of life" issue...just in time for the next news cycle.
Yep...look forward to seeing pictures of bloody babies with Obama as Hitler next to them for the foreseeable future.
Ahh yes.. The sanctity of life that conservatives are always so keen to screech about.
They will do anything for a fetus! Even to the extent of murdering doctors.
The problem is that once that fetus becomes a baby and is born, they don't want anything to do with it anymore. Really do they?
What? You want education and nutritious meals but your parents are poor? Well too bad fetus! You are on your own. You are not taking any of our money to support your worthless ass fetus (particularly if you are a brown baby)!
Giving charity like that and supporting the poor and downtrodden is UN-American! It is after all, something that someone who actually believed in God's commandments might do. We can't have the government telling us what to do like that! There is separation of Church and State!
But let's go back to the sanctity of life.
They sure love the death penalty too. I suppose really late term abortions are just fine even if they do occasionally execute an innocent. Hell 9-10 ain't bad. It isn't like getting it right is a matter of life and death.
And they sure care about the sanctity of life when it comes to bombing the shit out of some other country. Because, let's face it, when a U.S. installed dictator of a client state invades another oil state - and this could disrupt our profits clearly oil money is more important than the sanctity of life. If we don't get him the first time, because the sanctified lives we spent knocking him out of Kuwait weren't sanctified enough to finish the job, we'll lie about a nuclear program to sanctify some more lives.
And while we are sanctifying lives, the so called conservatives sure think that torturing is fine. They think that shouting slurs or attacking people who have the wrong religion or color or sexual preference is fine. How dare they choose differently?!? They need to be sanctified in the name of liberty!
Yeah, I am sick to death of hearing so-con scumbags talk about what they hold sanctified.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:24:06pm |
re: #87 Walter L. Newton
I haven't said anything about let's say, what if, why, or whatever. I just mentioned something.
And I added a thought of my own.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:24:18pm |
re: #98 darthstar
We'll be fine if we just take it on the run
I tried not to go there, I really did, I can't fight this feeling.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:24:53pm |
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Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:25:38pm |
To come to the conclusion that Imam Rauf thinks "America is worse than Al Qaeda," you have to ignore everything else he's written, and all the time he's spent condemning Al Qaeda and promoting an American version of Islam both in the US and overseas, and the fact that he has lived and worked in New York as a Sufi Muslim for decades.
Imam Rauf's statements about America's image in the Muslim world are no different than Ron Paul's. Or any writer at The Nation's.
But using this opinion to try to portray him as some kind of "stealth jihadi" is beyond ludicrous. I'd argue with him over that interpretation, but he's entitled to his opinions without being accused of being a secret agent for the jihad.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:25:51pm |
re: #99 talon_262
In other words, those who could be considered "apostates", not those active in the faith...
One of the reasons I actually trust Irshad Manji--not necessarily to be right, but to be real with me--is that she doesn't play this game of "I know the inside scoop on Islam, and I will share it with you dumbasses who might otherwise fall for what my crafty coreligionists tell you."
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:26:17pm |
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wrenchwench Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:26:40pm |
re: #97 Walter L. Newton
But, if you google "emerson mosque tapes" you get a number of articles on the expected release... I think all sourced from Geller.
I checked IPT and Counterterrorism (two Emerson sites) this morning, and saw no hint of it.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:27:16pm |
re: #81 JasonA
Cato, could you go teach Pammy how to properly use quotation marks?
I suspect there are a lot of things I could school her in, if being in the same room (or even on the phone) with her didn't give me a case of mortal goosebumps.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:28:09pm |
re: #100 LudwigVanQuixote
Yeah, I am sick to death of hearing so-con scumbags talk about what they hold sanctified.
I find it rotates constantly. First it's the Consitution until they want to change the Constitution, then it's fetuses until somebody brings up comprehensive sex education or gay adoption, then it's the troops, until those troops want body armor or veteran's benefits, then it's 9/11 until there's a bill to enhance health care for first responders, and so on.
If a wingnut started praising any group I was in, I'd have to check my back for knives.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:28:12pm |
If these guys succeed in pushing around Muslims, who's their next target? Gays? Atheists? liberal Christians? What bugs me is how defensive and angry they get when you point out the bigotry that exists in this movement. It is there and you have to be blind not to notice it.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:28:13pm |
re: #107 wrenchwench
I checked IPT and Counterterrorism (two Emerson sites) this morning, and saw no hint of it.
What part of "all sourced from Geller" don't you understand LOL. My point exactly.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:28:17pm |
re: #107 wrenchwench
I checked IPT and Counterterrorism (two Emerson sites) this morning, and saw no hint of it.
Which leads to the question of whether Mr. Emerson knows he has this material yet.
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:28:38pm |
re: #99 talon_262
In other words, those who could be considered "apostates", not those active in the faith...
Yes. I'm very familiar with the tactic. Most Mormons who are quoted in support of anti-Mormon ministries have had bad experiences with the church or their families. They are touted as neutral experts on the religion when in reality they range from misundertanding to bitter.
This is a terrible tactic and it is bound to make Muslims feel more persecuted and insular. This demonization can only make things worse and aid and abet the enemies of the West and truly moderate American Islam.
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TedStriker Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:28:53pm |
re: #104 Charles
To come to the conclusion that Imam Rauf thinks "America is worse than Al Qaeda," you have to ignore everything else he's written, and all the time he's spent condemning Al Qaeda and promoting an American version of Islam both in the US and overseas, and the fact that he has lived and worked in New York as a Sufi Muslim for decades.
Imam Rauf's statements about America's image in the Muslim world are no different than Ron Paul's. Or any writer at The Nation's.
But using this opinion to try to portray him as some kind of "stealth jihadi" is beyond ludicrous. I'd argue with him over that interpretation, but he's entitled to his opinions without being accused of being a secret agent for the jihad.
Eggs-acktly...
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:28:57pm |
re: #104 Charles
To come to the conclusion that Imam Rauf thinks "America is worse than Al Qaeda," you have to ignore everything else he's written, and all the time he's spent condemning Al Qaeda and promoting an American version of Islam both in the US and overseas, and the fact that he has lived and worked in New York as a Sufi Muslim for decades.
Imam Rauf's statements about America's image in the Muslim world are no different than Ron Paul's. Or any writer at The Nation's.
But using this opinion to try to portray him as some kind of "stealth jihadi" is beyond ludicrous. I'd argue with him over that interpretation, but he's entitled to his opinions without being accused of being a secret agent for the jihad.
But Charles, you are actually saying that the US has some image problems in the rest of the world, for bad things we've done, when all right thinking people know we're perfect!
And you are saying that a brown person who isn't even a Christian has a right to an opinion that is different than all real Americans!
How dare you!
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darthstar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:28:59pm |
re: #108 Cato the Elder
I suspect there are a lot of things I could school her in, if being in the same room (or even on the phone) with her didn't give me a case of mortal goosebumps.
Speaking of grammar...you'll get a kick out of these two guys, Cato...
"The Great Typo Hunt" describes a nationwide mission by Jeff Deck and Benjamin D. Herson, both 30, to rid America of signs that add an extra "n" to "dining", or insist that "shipping" is spelled with one "p".Deck, a magazine editor, and Herson, a bookseller, drove across the country in the spring of 2008 armed with sharpies, pens and whiteout, correcting spelling, removing surplus apostrophes and untangling subject-verb disagreement on signs outside stores, gas stations, parks and public buildings.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:29:25pm |
re: #109 elbruce
I find it rotates constantly. First it's the Consitution until they want to change the Constitution, then it's fetuses until somebody brings up comprehensive sex education or gay adoption, then it's the troops, until those troops want body armor or veteran's benefits, then it's 9/11 until there's a bill to enhance health care for first responders, and so on.
If a wingnut started praising any group I was in, I'd have to check my back for knives.
Damn straight.
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:30:03pm |
OT: Anchor Embyos!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:31:38pm |
re: #118 JasonA
So let me ask, if those embryos aren't citizens, do they still have rights?
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Shiplord Kirel Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:32:11pm |
The attack on the carpenter should be a real wake-up call. This isn't the goofy mob of tea-baggers I saw demonstrating outside "RINO" Senator John Cornyn's office in Lubbock a few weeks ago.
Crazy Pam and her mob seem hellbent on bringing the BNP/EDL soccer hooligan style of protest to the US. It won't translate well in a country where the potential hooligans have lots of guns and are itching to use them. A huge tragedy is almost inevitable.
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Political Atheist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:32:55pm |
re: #104 Charles
Look for a photo essay pushback from me in a Page soon Charles. I will certainly be visiting a mosque or two and giving them a chance to tell me about their mosque and what it does for the local community. A day or two from now should still be timely enough. I have had it with the bigotry. I can no longer sit still and be content with the comments I can make here.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:33:03pm |
America's image problem is just because some dirty people who hate America keeps spreading lies about us. If they would just jump on board the patriot express and become God fearing Christians like the real Americans, everything would be right as rain lickety-split.
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:33:08pm |
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:34:00pm |
What bugs me about these views on immigration that I'm seeing is that the fear is that by 2050 that America won't be majority White. And there are a lot of people whether their supporters in politics want to admit it or not, a lot of people that fear that. This is the same crap that Irish and German Catholic immigrants endured in the 1850's. Later with Jewish, Eastern European, and Italian immigrants a generation after that. We are a nation of immigrants. The vocal return of nativist attitudes towards immigrants disgusts me.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:34:28pm |
re: #119 LudwigVanQuixote
So let me ask, if those embryos aren't citizens, do they still have rights?
This could open a whole new area for debate...theoretically, one could argue that a child must also be conceived in the US to be a US citizen. International flights could then have, in addition to the customs claims cards, questions about whether a person had unprotected sex when they were abroad, and how long it has been since their last menstrual cycle. That's not getting too invasive, is it?
//
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:35:48pm |
re: #125 darthstar
This could open a whole new area for debate...theoretically, one could argue that a child must also be conceived in the US to be a US citizen. International flights could then have, in addition to the customs claims cards, questions about whether a person had unprotected sex when they were abroad, and how long it has been since their last menstrual cycle. That's not getting too invasive, is it?
//
I say life begins at arousal!
[Link: video.adultswim.com...]
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:35:52pm |
In a more perfect world, a close to equal number of pro-community center counter demonstrators would show up and let the knuckle-draggers know that their hate propaganda will not go unchallenged.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:36:12pm |
re: #120 Shiplord Kirel
The attack on the carpenter should be a real wake-up call. This isn't the goofy mob of tea-baggers I saw demonstrating outside "RINO" Senator John Cornyn's office in Lubbock a few weeks ago.
Crazy Pam and her mob seem hellbent on bringing the BNP/EDL soccer hooligan style of protest to the US. It won't translate well in a country where the potential hooligans have lots of guns and are itching to use them. A huge tragedy is almost inevitable.
Which part of we have been seeing the rise of an American form of Nazism has been eluding people? The writing has been on the wall for over a year now.
Now that this is established, why aren't we screaming at our spineless Dems to stop being great weepy oozing manginas and stand up for basic American liberties already?
Why are we nt shouting down the baggers?
Why are we not forming our own counter movements?
Why are we not on Fox's shit 24/7 exposing every lie and shouting to the rooftops what scum they are?
This is still America. We do not need to let these semi-literate, hateful scumbags win.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:36:40pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:38:30pm |
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Gus Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:38:48pm |
Ha! Here's Steven Emerson on the Bill Bennet show. He sounds like an asshole:
[Link: www.billbennett.com...]
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:39:18pm |
re: #130 LudwigVanQuixote
Where was that picture taken? It looks almost like my hometown.
[Link: amishtribeca.com...]
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Kragar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:39:22pm |
IOWA GOP Commiteewoman: Obama told Muslims he is Muslim
Lehman began to attract attention when she posted a Twitter message last week in response to a Politico news article about a Pew poll that shows 31 percent of Republicans and 10 percent of Democrats believe Obama is a Muslim. The Politico article pointed out that Obama — whose father was raised as a Muslim — has repeatedly found his faith questioned, and has “confronted the rumors head-on.”
“@politico you’re funny. They must pay you a lot to protect Obama. BTW he personally told the muslims that he IS a muslim. Read his lips,” Lehman said on her Twitter page on Thursday.
This morning, Lehman said she was referring to an Obama speech in Cairo last summer in which he reached out to Muslims “to seek a new beginning.” In that speech, he makes no comment about being Muslim, a transcript shows.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:40:22pm |
re: #129 Charles
If the "mosque" is built and somebody, God forfend, does something stupid like try to burn it down, I'm pretty sure the Amish would send in a team the next day to help the Muslims do a mosque-raising.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:41:08pm |
re: #130 LudwigVanQuixote
Where was that picture taken? It looks almost like my hometown.
It's yesterday's protest at the Sacred Coat Factory. The Amish Market is right next door.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:41:29pm |
re: #133 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
This woman is insane:
Again, she repeated that reporters, including the one from the Huffington Post who also called this morning, should be questioning Obama, not her.
“He’s the one that should be asked the question, ‘Look, the country’s confused, President. You went over there. We know what you said before but things have changed. What’s your position. Are you a Christian? Do you believe that Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven because that’s what the Christian faith believes. It’s the defining difference between Christianity and other religions.”
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:42:09pm |
re: #128 LudwigVanQuixote
Which part of we have been seeing the rise of an American form of Nazism has been eluding people? The writing has been on the wall for over a year now.
Now that this is established, why aren't we screaming at our spineless Dems to stop being great weepy oozing manginas and stand up for basic American liberties already?
Why are we nt shouting down the baggers?
Why are we not forming our own counter movements?
Why are we not on Fox's shit 24/7 exposing every lie and shouting to the rooftops what scum they are?
This is still America. We do not need to let these semi-literate, hateful scumbags win.
I so wish you weren't engaged. I'm betting you're a fun date.
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:42:21pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:42:27pm |
re: #132 JasonA
[Link: amishtribeca.com...]
OK. I was way way off. There are some similar buildings though.
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Vicious Michigan Union Thug Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:42:32pm |
re: #94 DaddyG
Appearantly the definition of "Moderate Muslim" has been dumbed down to mean anyone who claims to be of Muslim heritage of faith who is willing to assist in promoting anti-Muslim screeds. Sad.
It's like all the "good Jews" are Norman Finkelstein and Neturei Karta.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:43:18pm |
re: #138 Cato the Elder
I so wish you weren't engaged. I'm betting you're a fun date.
Well Cato, I don't swing that way, but, the delightful Miss. S is even more fiery than me.
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Winny Spencer Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:43:19pm |
re: #128 LudwigVanQuixote
This is OT but in less than four weeks my country will likely have a neo-fascist party in parliament. It's the Sweden Democrats that I know Charles and others have reported on previously here at LGF. They are running on an openly anti-muslim platform too, echoing Geller, Spencer et al.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:43:27pm |
Ya know, I would just laugh it off if these were just random right wing nutjobs on the internet but these are members of the RNC fueling these conspiracies by talking like this. And honestly even if Obama was a Muslim, so what, does being a Muslim mean you can't be a loyal American citizen and serve your country. I bet good money that many of these clowns don't know any Muslims personally and all they know about Muslims is what they're told.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:43:35pm |
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darthstar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:43:45pm |
re: #133 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Doubling down on stupidity...you go girl!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:44:02pm |
re: #143 Winny Spencer
This is OT but in less than four weeks my country will likely have a neo-fascist party in parliament. It's the Sweden Democrats that I know Charles and others have reported on previously here at LGF. They are running on an openly anti-muslim platform too, echoing Geller, Spencer et al.
When it rains it pours.
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:44:21pm |
re: #136 Charles
It's yesterday's protest at the Sacred Coat Factory. The Amish Market is right next door.
I am offended by your gross mischaracterization of the proposed community center and mosque location.
Burlington Coat Factory is not a factory but in reality an outlet store.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:44:31pm |
re: #142 LudwigVanQuixote
Well Cato, I don't swing that way, but, the delightful Miss. S is even more fiery than me.
How about a threesome double-date?
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Kragar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:44:42pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:44:47pm |
re: #134 Cato the Elder
If the "mosque" is built and somebody, God forfend, does something stupid like try to burn it down, I'm pretty sure the Amish would send in a team the next day to help the Muslims do a mosque-raising.
To the buggy-mobile!!!
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:45:14pm |
re: #136 Charles
It's yesterday's protest at the Sacred Coat Factory. The Amish Market is right next door.
If I ever start a clothing line, maybe I will call it Sacred Coat Factory.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:45:16pm |
re: #136 Charles
It's yesterday's protest at the Sacred Coat Factory. The Amish Market is right next door.
Thank you. Back in my home town, there is a very similar building with an Amish market in it. Or at least there was.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:46:04pm |
re: #141 Alouette
It's like all the "good Jews" are Norman Finkelstein and Neturei Karta.
Lots of folks who have exactly that opinion. You prove that you're an OK Jew by telling them what they want to hear about Judaism.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:46:32pm |
re: #152 SanFranciscoZionist
If I ever start a clothing line, maybe I will call it Sacred Coat Factory.
Heh reminds me of Wedding Crashers, "Holy Shirts and Pants."
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prairiefire Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:46:36pm |
re: #143 Winny Spencer
This is OT but in less than four weeks my country will likely have a neo-fascist party in parliament. It's the Sweden Democrats that I know Charles and others have reported on previously here at LGF. They are running on an openly anti-muslim platform too, echoing Geller, Spencer et al.
How are they gaining popularity? In Sweden!?
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:46:54pm |
re: #153 LudwigVanQuixote
Thank you. Back in my home town, there is a very similar building with an Amish market in it. Or at least there was.
The grocery in my folks hometown sells real Amish produced goods. The cheese is to die for.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:47:40pm |
re: #118 JasonA
OT: Anchor Embyos!
From the article:
...the first thing you have to do is tell them that you’re an illegal alien and you’re pregnant and the Department of Human Services will offer you, do you want Blue Cross, United, or Neighborhood Health.
I don't see U.S. Citizenship anywhere on the menu there.
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Gus Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:47:44pm |
This must be part of the alleged secret 13 hours of tape. I already found some fraud being perpetrated by Steven Emerson.
Here is his blurb and it includes audio:
On Israel, Rauf said he does not favor the plan to establish a Palestinian state along with Israel. Instead, "The differences, perhaps, may lie on whether the solution lies in the two-state solution or in a one-state solution. I believe that you had someone here recently who spoke about having a one land and two people's solution to Israel. And I personally - my own personal analysis tells me that a one-state solution is a more coherent one than a two-state solution. So if we address the underlying issue, if we figure out a way to create condominiums, to condominiamise Israel and Palestine so you have two peoples co-existing on one state, then we have a different paradigm which will allow us to move forward."
It's a splice. We can find that he combined two different comments from Rauf:
The differences, perhaps, may lie on whether the solution lies in the two-state solution or in a one-state solution. I believe that you had someone here recently who spoke about having a one land and two people's solution to Israel. And I personally - my own personal analysis tells me that a one-state solution is a more coherent one than a two-state solution. But anyway it goes, there is no doubt in my mind that once there is peace, and there will have to be a peace in the region, the fallout of that will be enormously positive.
[...]
So the Israeli conflict, in my opinion, is not about theology, it's about land and it's about the acquisition of that land and how it was acquired. That is the aetiology of this particular conflict. So if we address the underlying issue, if we figure out a way to create condominiums, to condominiamise Israel and Palestine so you have two peoples co-existing on one state, then we have a different paradigm which will allow us to move forward.
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Jack Burton Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:48:20pm |
re: #153 LudwigVanQuixote
Thank you. Back in my home town, there is a very similar building with an Amish market in it. Or at least there was.
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wrenchwench Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:48:36pm |
re: #131 Gus 802
Ha! Here's Steven Emerson on the Bill Bennet show. He sounds like an asshole:
[Link: www.billbennett.com...]
Five minutes in, sounds like he's with Geller. Another half minute, and he says "I think Andy McCarthy will back me up on this..."
Gone. He's with the Spencer/Geller crowd.
"This mosque will be a magnet for radicalism."
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:49:12pm |
re: #116 darthstar
I just sent that to my whole family and posted it on Facebook.
Its going to be a big hit, LOL, because their all grammar fascists!
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Gus Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:49:37pm |
re: #161 wrenchwench
Five minutes in, sounds like he's with Geller. Another half minute, and he says "I think Andy McCarthy will back me up on this..."
Gone. He's with the Spencer/Geller crowd.
"This mosque will be a magnet for radicalism."
And he's chopping up Rauf's speech. You can even hear the edit clicks in the audio he provides.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:49:58pm |
re: #157 DaddyG
The grocery in my folks hometown sells real Amish produced goods. The cheese is to die for.
I'm from south central Pa.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:50:27pm |
re: #162 Cato the Elder
I just sent that to my whole family and posted it on Facebook.
Its going to be a big hit, LOL, because their all grammar fascists!
Don't let them see that post then... :)
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Kragar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:50:38pm |
re: #163 Gus 802
And he's chopping up Rauf's speech. You can even hear the edit clicks in the audio he provides.
Doctoring footage to fit their agenda? Say it aint so! Who would have thunk it?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:50:46pm |
re: #154 SanFranciscoZionist
Lots of folks who have exactly that opinion. You prove that you're an OK Jew by telling them what they want to hear about Judaism.
Yeah, I got really sick of that about 30 years ago. I am in my thirties...
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jaunte Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:50:57pm |
re: #148 DaddyG
I am offended by your gross mischaracterization of the proposed community center and mosque location.
Burlington Coat Factory is not a factory but in reality an outlet store.
/
I think the 'sacred outlet' term is already taken by the American Family Association.
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wrenchwench Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:51:10pm |
Emerson:
He'd have no problem if Zuhdi Jasser built a mosque.
Jasser is a doctor, not an imam. Oh, too bad.
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DaddyG Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:51:39pm |
re: #164 LudwigVanQuixote
I'm from south central Pa.
They are in NE Indiana.
I was driving in central Georgia and saw these beautiful farms with oak lined drives and white barns. When I got closer I saw the name Sauder on the mailboxes. In the next town I asked a coworker with the same name if they were Amish and she confirmed that there was a sizable population there.
They do get around!
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A Man for all Seasons Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:51:41pm |
re: #157 DaddyG
The grocery in my folks hometown sells real Amish produced goods. The cheese is to die for.
The Super Wal-Mart here has an Amish food section..They make the best food.
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TedStriker Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:52:52pm |
re: #124 HappyWarrior
What bugs me about these views on immigration that I'm seeing is that the fear is that by 2050 that America won't be majority White. And there are a lot of people whether their supporters in politics want to admit it or not, a lot of people that fear that. This is the same crap that Irish and German Catholic immigrants endured in the 1850's. Later with Jewish, Eastern European, and Italian immigrants a generation after that. We are a nation of immigrants. The vocal return of nativist attitudes towards immigrants disgusts me.
I may be Godwin-ing the thread, but the right-wing reactions to the whole "America won't be majority white by 2050", in concert with what we're currently seeing in regards to immigrants and Muslims, is in the same vein as the conditions that fueled the rise of the Nazis. Bad economic times, xenophobia, blaming most social ills on immigrants (and, in the case of the Nazis, on Jews)...I'm not saying we'll see another Hitler, but some people in this country right now are priming us for a world of hurt.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:55:22pm |
re: #173 talon_262
I may be Godwin-ing the thread, but the right-wing reactions to the whole "America won't be majority white by 2050", in concert with what we're currently seeing in regards to immigrants and Muslims, is in the same vein as the conditions that fueled the rise of the Nazis. Bad economic times, xenophobia, blaming most social ills on immigrants (and, in the case of the Nazis, on Jews)...I'm not saying we'll see another Hitler, but some people in this country right now are priming us for a world of hurt.
Depending on the time line you're looking at, all nationalities and ethnicities will eventually be nothing more than a cultural footnote given enough time. Any calls for racial purity or racial superiority/inferiority are hogwash.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:55:53pm |
re: #165 darthstar
Don't let them see that post then... :)
Heh. After ten years living in Germany, I spoke three or four dialects well enough to "pass", besides High German, Low German, Frisian, and Helgolandish, which are actually distinct languages.
I think impersonating American idiotspeak is something almost anyone can pick up in a weekend.
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Renaissance_Man Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:56:16pm |
re: #144 HappyWarrior
Ya know, I would just laugh it off if these were just random right wing nutjobs on the internet but these are members of the RNC fueling these conspiracies by talking like this. And honestly even if Obama was a Muslim, so what, does being a Muslim mean you can't be a loyal American citizen and serve your country. I bet good money that many of these clowns don't know any Muslims personally and all they know about Muslims is what they're told.
No, to be honest, I actually think most do know at least a few Muslims personally. And I think they probably like them and treat them well. One of the defining characteristics of Americans, even the most provincial, is how polite and tolerant they are to strangers and foreigners in person.
However, I think there is a total disconnect - these people can honestly say the old saw 'some of my best friends are black/Muslim/liberal', and they can still be incited to bigoted responses, thoughts, and even actions. They can genuinely hold two contradictory opinions simultaneously - liking the nice Iranian family they know, and hating 'them Muslims' who want to build their 'terror memorial mosque'.
This sort of disconnect comes about with deep indoctrination. And that's what it is - a media world so all-pervasive that its followers immediately salivate to whatever opinion is pumped at them, no matter how idiotic, bigoted, or incorrect, and no matter whether or not it totally contradicts things they may believe outside the cult.
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ProMayaLiberal Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:57:51pm |
With all this going on, I'm beginning to think that something similar to the OKC bombing will occur. I really hope I'm wrong, but the hate out there now sounds so similar to the stuff going on before April 1995. I'm really scared for Muslims in the US.
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wrenchwench Mon, Aug 23, 2010 2:59:25pm |
re: #163 Gus 802
And he's chopping up Rauf's speech. You can even hear the edit clicks in the audio he provides.
He has fetishized the Muslim Brotherhood as the "center of Islam today".
Therefore he can never be sure that any particular Muslim is moderate. Except Zuhdi Jasser.
Jasser, of course, opposes the Burlington MegaMosque Coat Center and Swimming Pool of Triumphalism.
I wonder if there's Koch money in Emerson's coffers.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:01:29pm |
re: #173 talon_262
I may be Godwin-ing the thread, but the right-wing reactions to the whole "America won't be majority white by 2050", in concert with what we're currently seeing in regards to immigrants and Muslims, is in the same vein as the conditions that fueled the rise of the Nazis. Bad economic times, xenophobia, blaming most social ills on immigrants (and, in the case of the Nazis, on Jews)...I'm not saying we'll see another Hitler, but some people in this country right now are priming us for a world of hurt.
I don't think you're far off here at all frankly.
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TedStriker Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:01:45pm |
re: #174 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Depending on the time line you're looking at, all nationalities and ethnicities will eventually be nothing more than a cultural footnote given enough time. Any calls for racial purity or racial superiority/inferiority are hogwash.
Agreed...humans do what humans do (which is to have sex and children). Any notion that any xenophobic nutbar has that there is or has even been a "pure race", white or otherwise, ever since man first took to the seas and marched overland to travel to far-flung corners of the Earth in search of knowledge, trade, and wealth is seriously delusional.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:02:26pm |
re: #176 Renaissance_Man
No, to be honest, I actually think most do know at least a few Muslims personally. And I think they probably like them and treat them well. One of the defining characteristics of Americans, even the most provincial, is how polite and tolerant they are to strangers and foreigners in person.
However, I think there is a total disconnect - these people can honestly say the old saw 'some of my best friends are black/Muslim/liberal', and they can still be incited to bigoted responses, thoughts, and even actions. They can genuinely hold two contradictory opinions simultaneously - liking the nice Iranian family they know, and hating 'them Muslims' who want to build their 'terror memorial mosque'.
This sort of disconnect comes about with deep indoctrination. And that's what it is - a media world so all-pervasive that its followers immediately salivate to whatever opinion is pumped at them, no matter how idiotic, bigoted, or incorrect, and no matter whether or not it totally contradicts things they may believe outside the cult.
You may be right about that but I don't know really. Definitely agree with you about how contradictory people can be though that said.
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:03:51pm |
re: #141 Alouette
It's like all the "good Jews" are Norman Finkelstein and Neturei Karta.
And don't forget the org, Jewish "Proud to be Ashamed to be Jewish" Voice for Peace.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:03:58pm |
"Son, once this land was covered with white people roaming across its plains from sea to sea... Now sadly, you can only see them in the trailer park exhibit at the museum."
"What killed them all, papa?"
"A horrible affliction called Mad Cracker Disease."
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:04:54pm |
re: #182 eclectic infidel
And don't forget the org, Jewish "Proud to be Ashamed to be Jewish" Voice for Peace.
I can top that: Jews For Jesus
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:05:08pm |
re: #183 elbruce
"Son, once this land was covered with white people roaming across its plains from sea to sea... Now sadly, you can only see them in the trailer park exhibit at the museum."
"What killed them all, papa?"
"A horrible affliction called Mad Cracker Disease."
Careful with the term Cracker...I got all kinds of crap for it a few weeks back. It's racist against poor white morons.
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Gus Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:05:36pm |
Uh oh! Better add the Mennonite Church as another banned religion. Apparently they also support the idea of a "one state solution." This actually came from the Mennonite Central Committee.
A note but one of the doctors that were killed in Afghanistan recently was with the MCC:
MCC grieves worker killed in Afghanistan
Cheryl Zehr Walker
August 8, 2010AKRON, Pa. – A Mennonite Central Committee (MCC) worker in Afghanistan, Glen D. Lapp of Lancaster, Pa., was killed this week in a shooting incident in Afghanistan’s northeastern Badakhshan province.
Lapp was traveling with a medical team of four Afghans, six Americans, one Briton and one German. All, including Lapp, worked with MCC partner organization International Assistance Mission, a charity providing eye care and medical help in Afghanistan. Local police found 10 bodies on Friday next to abandoned vehicles. One Afghan team member traveled home via another route and is safe. Another Afghan survived the attack and is being questioned by the police.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:05:54pm |
Google map for teabaggers going to DC for the Beck/Palin rally...the popup bubbles are hilarious.
[Link: maps.google.com...]
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TedStriker Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:07:33pm |
re: #185 PT Barnum
Careful with the term Cracker...I got all kinds of crap for it a few weeks back. It's racist against poor white morons.
Hey, I'm smarter than your average cracker...I'm not exactly poor, but I am white and am (hopefully) not a moron.
;-P
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:08:26pm |
re: #116 darthstar
Speaking of grammar...you'll get a kick out of these two guys, Cato...
Who knew that the Federal Government is so protective of its misundereducated sign-writers?
They also ran into trouble at the Grand Canyon where they were arrested for fixing bad grammar in an official sign. A federal judge fined them $3,000 and banned them from speaking publicly about fixing typos for a year, a period that expired in August 2009.
Three grand for trying to fix a shoddy government sign? I didn't realize the right to official illiteracy was so vigorously defended by the Feds.
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blueraven Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:08:31pm |
re: #163 Gus 802
And he's chopping up Rauf's speech. You can even hear the edit clicks in the audio he provides.
Despicable.
But apropos to the tactics being used by this hate movement.
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:08:44pm |
re: #188 talon_262
Hey, I'm smarter than your average cracker...I'm not exactly poor, but I am white and am (hopefully) not a moron.
;-P
Then you ain't a cracker then are you?
Cracker is as much a socio economic slur as it is a racial slur. I'm about as Caucasian as they come.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:09:08pm |
re: #126 JasonA
I say life begins at arousal!
[Link: video.adultswim.com...]
"overt racial prejudice...impressive"
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:10:43pm |
re: #185 PT Barnum
Careful with the term Cracker...I got all kinds of crap for it a few weeks back. It's racist against poor white morons.
Dr. Laura tells me that when white people use it, it's "affectionate."
But frankly, I think it would be hilarious if people started calling me and everybody else every white-related epithet in the book, as much as possible. At the end of the day, I still have a lot of social advantages for being white, so I think I can take it.
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:10:57pm |
re: #184 elbruce
I can top that: Jews For Jesus
Well, Jews for Jesus are supporters of Israel. At least the ones in the SF Bay Area. I know this because at a couple of counter demos in San Francisco, when International ANSWER was engaging in its usual anti-war/anti-Israel tantrum at Civic Center, members of Jews for Jesus stood with us and held Israeli flags. Now, I'm not a fan of J4J, but hey, if they're not evangelizing, I'm quite OK with them being around.
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AntonSirius Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:11:33pm |
re: #177 ProLifeLiberal
With all this going on, I'm beginning to think that something similar to the OKC bombing will occur. I really hope I'm wrong, but the hate out there now sounds so similar to the stuff going on before April 1995. I'm really scared for Muslims in the US.
My biggest fear is not a bombing but an attempt on Obama... that misses him and gets one of the girls instead.
There's your catalyst for that race war Charles Manson was rooting for all those years ago.
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:11:35pm |
re: #193 elbruce
Dr. Laura tells me that when white people use it, it's "affectionate."
But frankly, I think it would be hilarious if people started calling me and everybody else every white-related epithet in the book, as much as possible. At the end of the day, I still have a lot of social advantages for being white, so I think I can take it.
Okay honky!
/
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Gus Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:12:05pm |
re: #190 blueraven
Despicable.
But apropos to the tactics being used by this hate movement.
And from that he leaps to this conclusion:
Such a position is advocated by radical groups, such as the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
Right. Like the Mennonites. So holding a purely conceptual idea aligns them with the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
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blueraven Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:14:28pm |
re: #197 Gus 802
And from that he leaps to this conclusion:
Such a position is advocated by radical groups, such as the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
Right. Like the Mennonites. So holding a purely conceptual idea aligns them with the Palestinian Islamic Jihad.
Hell, I think holding ideas is anathema to this group.
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wrenchwench Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:14:44pm |
From Limbaugh's daily email:
Mosque Imam Rauf: US Has More Blood on Its Hands Than Al-Qaeda
The Ground Zero Mosque imam sounds just like Reverend Wright.
» Pam Geller: Newly Discovered Tapes Reveal Imam Rauf's Extremism
The last line is a link to Geller's hate site.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:15:02pm |
re: #185 PT Barnum
Careful with the term Cracker...I got all kinds of crap for it a few weeks back. It's racist against poor white morons.
My husband once responded to some statement I'd made with, "Cracka, please."
I laughed. Hard.
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TedStriker Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:15:05pm |
re: #191 PT Barnum
Then you ain't a cracker then are you?
Cracker is as much a socio economic slur as it is a racial slur. I'm about as Caucasian as they come.
re: #191 PT Barnum
Then you ain't a cracker then are you?
Cracker is as much a socio economic slur as it is a racial slur. I'm about as Caucasian as they come.
"Cracker" sounds so benign...I wonder how many people who seriously take it as a source of (white) pride would flinch if they were called "white trash".
/not many, if they're that dumb, I'll wager...
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Gus Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:15:38pm |
re: #198 blueraven
Hell, I think holding ideas is anathema to this group.
All my friends, family members, and those I love agree 100 percent with me on every issue I hold dear.
//
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:16:29pm |
re: #200 SanFranciscoZionist
My husband once responded to some statement I'd made with, "Cracka, please."
I laughed. Hard.
i forget...do you watch True Blood on HBO? that just reminded me of Lafayette...
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:17:14pm |
re: #203 Aceofwhat?
i forget...do you watch True Blood on HBO? that just reminded me of Lafayette...
No, I've only got very basic cable. But it's on my Netflix list.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:19:18pm |
re: #185 PT Barnum
Careful with the term Cracker...I got all kinds of crap for it a few weeks back. It's racist against poor white morons.
And me.
*snicker*
Actually, not of course.
But personally, I just don't really like any sorts of names at all.
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Gus Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:19:53pm |
Some more chopping from Steven Emerson:
"And when we observe terrorism," he said, "whether it was done by the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka or by al Qaida or whoever is behind the bombings in London or those in Madrid, we can see that they were target political objectives.
In which he concludes for his lazy audience:
IPT fact check: Rauf again seems to justify terrorist acts by equating hitting civilians with political objectives.
Here's what Rauf actually said:
The fact of the matter is I personally believe that two wrongs do not make a right. If someone does a wrong to me, my response should not be to do a wrong back. I can understand the emotionality behind doing the wrong but we would like to hope that we hold ourselves to higher standards, but I think it is important also to understand the power of emotion and politics. In studies that have been made by political historians of terrorism, defined as militancy against non-combatants and civilians, the point has been made by political historians that terrorism has been done ever since the beginning of time practically, since the time of the Romans for sure, and they were designed to achieve very specific target political objectives.
And when we observe terrorism, whether it was done by the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka or by al Qaida or whoever is behind the bombings in London or those in Madrid, we can see that they were target political objectives. So political objectives and economical objectives, in my mind, I agree with you, are the driving forces and then religion gets co opted along the way, or any ideology can very easily be co-opted or be the wrapping for such movements. And certainly what has happened in the Muslim world is that the secular liberation movements have failed.
Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine was unable to liberate Palestinians. Arab Nationalism has failed. Many of the non-religious attempts to provide, you know, the good society to the Muslim world has failed, and it becomes very easy to wrap liberation movements and issues of aspirations for social justice within the vocabulary of religion, especially a religion that is based upon law and for which justice and legal justice is very important and paramount.
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Nervous Norvous Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:21:39pm |
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:24:57pm |
re: #204 SanFranciscoZionist
No, I've only got very basic cable. But it's on my Netflix list.
ok, this is NSFW, but here's a little sneak peek at the best character on one of the most addictive shows on TV right now...
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:38:33pm |
re: #206 Gus 802
You know, I wasn't expecting to really like this guy, but the more I hear of Rauf, the more I think he brings a particular view point to the table in a very articulate way. He might not be correct on everything, but I'm sure glad he's on our side.
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prairiefire Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:42:20pm |
re: #203 Aceofwhat?
i forget...do you watch True Blood on HBO? that just reminded me of Lafayette...
So...what is Sookie?
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:47:03pm |
re: #210 prairiefire
So...what is Sookie?
Yeah, that's the question, right? We have Sunday's episode DVR'd, so no spoilers, please!
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:47:28pm |
re: #210 prairiefire
So...what is Sookie?
She is beautiful, and played by Anna Paquin. Her supernatural power includes the ability to read minds, but there's more to it to be revealed in Season 3.
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alexknyc Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:36:43pm |
re: #100 LudwigVanQuixote
Ahh yes.. The sanctity of life that conservatives are always so keen to screech about.
They will do anything for a fetus! Even to the extent of murdering doctors.
The problem is that once that fetus becomes a baby and is born, they don't want anything to do with it anymore. Really do they?
What? You want education and nutritious meals but your parents are poor? Well too bad fetus! You are on your own. You are not taking any of our money to support your worthless ass fetus (particularly if you are a brown baby)!
Barney Frank's quote never gets old:
"For some Republicans, life begins at conception and ends at birth."
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