While the world’s attention is foolishly focused on the Sacred Abandoned Coat Factory/Jihad Camp, right next door, with a clear view of hallowed Ground Zero, an even more sinister sect is hiding in plain sight, watching, planning, recruiting, churning butter, and waiting for their turn to strike.
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Mr. Crankypants Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:06:36pm |
Watch out, the Amish drive by shootings are coming
clip clop clip clop BANG BANG clip clop clip clop
Next thing you know they'll have dead horses up on blocks in their front yards.
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:06:44pm |
They're the ones behind The Geller-Spencer Phenomena.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:09:08pm |
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:09:08pm |
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zxbe Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:09:29pm |
Imagine the rightie outcry if the Muslims were churning the butter. They'd claim they were making some sort of chemical explosive.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:10:06pm |
America is smother under a hand quilted bed comforter made of taqiya.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:10:57pm |
Yep. They're evil. If your mosque burns down, they'll all show up the next day and help you raise it up again.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:12:22pm |
What were the people behind this sign thinking? Are they a parody "plant?" If not - WTF?!?
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reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:13:32pm |
Something about "Amish Menace" just tickles the shit
out of me!Haha
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:13:40pm |
re: #10 Cato the Elder
Yep. They're evil. If your mosque burns down, they'll all show up the next day and help you raise it up again.
What a bunch of buttonless schmucks.
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:14:04pm |
re: #11 elbruce
What were the people behind this sign thinking? Are they a parody "plant?" If not - WTF?!?
They're exercising their First Amendment rights on a public sidewalk (more or less, they seem to be standing on something that was either there or perhaps they brought it with them). There just happens to be an Amish market there as well. The protesters are quite serious.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:14:10pm |
re: #10 Cato the Elder
Yep. They're evil. If your mosque burns down, they'll all show up the next day and help you raise it up again.
Well, they have been known to throw buildings up on plains.
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reloadingisnotahobby Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:15:53pm |
I can't see the poster well enough to understand what it says and shows...Help!
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:16:40pm |
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:17:06pm |
re: #14 eclectic infidel
There just happens to be an Amish market there as well. The protesters are quite serious.
That's what I thought too until I realized the sign they're holding says "Images of Amish Jihad" across the top.
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garhighway Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:17:11pm |
When they strike our Sacred Places with their Buggies of Doom all will know and fear the name Eli Detweiler. Or was it Amos?
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:17:48pm |
re: #19 elbruce
That's what I thought too until I realized the sign they're holding says "Images of Amish Jihad" across the top.
see #18
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Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:18:54pm |
re: #18 JasonA
You guys know that's been altered, right?
Heh.
I guess the HUMOR category wasn't enough of a tipoff.
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webevintage Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:19:16pm |
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:19:18pm |
re: #19 elbruce
That's what I thought too until I realized the sign they're holding says "Images of Amish Jihad" across the top.
Ohhh. Details, details. Yes. In that case, it's quite a clever sign, deceit aside.
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:19:25pm |
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:19:49pm |
re: #18 JasonA
You guys know that's been altered, right?
Oh, OK. That makes more sense. I was thinking for a minute there they were doing a "God Hates Signs" type of thing.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:20:04pm |
re: #23 Charles
Heh.
I guess the HUMOR category wasn't enough of a tipoff.
It would be even more humorous if it were real.
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jaunte Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:20:18pm |
Amish Jihad gig posters:[Link: www.gigposters.com...]
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:20:58pm |
re: #27 elbruce
Oh, OK. That makes more sense. I was thinking for a minute there they were doing a "God Hates Signs" type of thing.
I do want to go to that DC rally carrying a sign that reads "No Signs Allowed."
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Eclectic Infidel Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:21:09pm |
re: #25 eclectic infidel
Ohhh. Details, details. Yes. In that case, it's quite a clever sign, deceit aside.
*shakes head* see, that was my first thought, that it was photoshopped. Still though, that would be a clever sign if they had actually decided to do that. Images of death and oppression with the header "Amish Jihad" would also get the anti-Muslim point across. I'm not condoning it, just sayin'.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:21:51pm |
You know, if I lived around NY it might be fun to make up a bunch of "Amish Jihad" signs and get down there to protest the Amish Market.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:22:38pm |
re: #30 JasonA
I do want to go to that DC rally carrying a sign that reads "No Signs Allowed."
I bet if you went with a sign that said "THIS IS NOT A SIGN" they'd be so confused they'd let you in with it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:22:46pm |
re: #26 talon_262
Love Weird Al!
[Video]
I never punched a tourist, even if he deserved it,
An Amish with a 'tude, why that's simply unheard of!
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Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:23:21pm |
Couldn't resist a little pshopping on this picture.
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Mr. Crankypants Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:23:25pm |
re: #34 SanFranciscoZionist
I never punched a tourist, even if he deserved it,
An Amish with a 'tude, why that's simply unheard of!
And a Florence Henderson cameo to boot!
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:23:41pm |
What cretinous America-hatin' bureaucrat gave them permission to throw up an Amish Mega-Store celebrating their supremacist make-your-own-clothes pacifist triumphalism so close to - um, well - the Sacred Temple of Chinese Slave-Labor Sweatshop Coat Shrine? Eh?
This stabs at the very heartlandy heart of Capitalist Outsourcing!
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Mr. Crankypants Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:24:22pm |
Didn't Al get in trouble for Amish Paradise because Coolio didn't give him permission to parody the song?
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:26:03pm |
Yes, somewhat:
Although Yankovic traditionally secures permission from the artists he parodies (even though this may not be legally required, as parodies are covered under fair use guidelines), and was told by his record label that Coolio had given permission, Coolio later claimed that he had not given such permission. This created a minor controversy, as speculation surfaced that Coolio had actually given permission but later claimed he had not in the fear that allowing the parody would not be seen as "cool", or that Yankovic's record label had lied to Yankovic in the hopes that the song would become popular. Yankovic later stated on VH1's Behind the Music that he had written a sincere letter of apology to Coolio which was never returned, and that Coolio never complained when he received his royalty check from proceeds of the song. A series of photos taken at the XM Satellite Radio booth at the 2006 Consumer Electronics Show suggests that Yankovic and Coolio may have made amends.[1] According to Al, he was as surprised as anyone when Coolio came over to chat.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:26:58pm |
re: #40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
that movie wasn't terribly funny, but Seth Green definitely delivered...
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Mr. Crankypants Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:26:59pm |
re: #39 reloadingisnotahobby
Who the hell is Coolio??
/
Sorry the original song was Gangstah's Paradise
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:28:03pm |
re: #43 PT Barnum
Sorry the original song was Gangstah's Paradise
Certain details of the parody video make more sense if you've watched the original.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:28:31pm |
re: #38 PT Barnum
Didn't Al get in trouble for Amish Paradise because Coolio didn't give him permission to parody the song?
Al got permission from Coolio's management, which he technically doesn't even need to create and market a parody. Coolio cashed the checks and then bitched about his song being too serious for a parody and not having been asked personally. The whole controversy was made up bullshit.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:29:25pm |
Everyone knows it's a core component of the Amish religion that they build a market in the vicinity of any place that they have not bombed. If we don't stand up to Amish conquest, then extremist Amish across the globe could use this market as a breeding ground for Amish terror.
///
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:30:01pm |
re: #43 PT Barnum
Sorry the original song was Gangstah's Paradise
Which sampled heavily from Stevie Wonder's Pastime Paradise...
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Ojoe Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:30:15pm |
OT:
"It seems highly unlikely that Obama will decide not to run in 2012. But he might well be calculating that a embarking post-presidential role as the leading global thinker in the post-American world as a Republican successor enters office is more attractive than being sullied by the political compromises and manoeuvrings necessary to win," argues Harnden.
ROFLMAOPMP
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Only The Lurker Knows Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:31:49pm |
Well Lizards time to call it a day and head out of town. Will see you sometime Thursday.
L8R
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:31:58pm |
Meanwhile, Christians are being oppressed.....
Fox Host Suggests "Anti-Christian Sentiment" Behind Opposition To Vermont Cross
Of course Fox news is factually challenged: Lyndon cross at center of rights dispute
“It’s very large, and when they first put it up it was extremely bright, as bright as three full moons,” Gascon said. “It’s hard for me to see it as a necessary practice of religion. To me, it seems they’re just being showy.”
He and neighbor Barbara Irwin argue that the religious significance of the cross should not be a major issue. Instead, the cross should be viewed like a neon sign for a business, they say.
Gascon and others complained to town zoning officials, who limited the structure’s nighttime illumination to several weeks around Christmas.
The Downings said the instructions relayed by the French visionary said in part that “these Crosses must become lights in order to question hearts that are obscure.”
It isn't just a cross, It's a two story tall lighthouse.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:35:01pm |
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:35:23pm |
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:36:33pm |
re: #54 JasonA
holy shit
Mark Williams' New Line On NYC Mosque: Mayor Bloomberg Is A 'Judenrat'
It's, it's just so open and... wow.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:36:42pm |
re: #52 Irenicum
I for one welcome our new Amish overlords.
You know, if the Amish ran everything, that wouldn't be too bad.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:36:58pm |
re: #54 JasonA
holy shit
Mark Williams' New Line On NYC Mosque: Mayor Bloomberg Is A 'Judenrat'
There we go, they got past that awkward passive aggressive jew hate and are letting it just spill out now.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:37:08pm |
re: #54 JasonA
holy shit
Mark Williams' New Line On NYC Mosque: Mayor Bloomberg Is A 'Judenrat'
My New Line of Mark Williams: Mark Williams Is An Asshole.
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wrenchwench Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:38:24pm |
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Irenicum Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:38:33pm |
re: #53 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Hooks! Don't do buttons! You'll break Amish sharia!!!
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:39:00pm |
re: #54 JasonA
holy shit
Mark Williams' New Line On NYC Mosque: Mayor Bloomberg Is A 'Judenrat'
How did we now know that something like this wasn't going to eventually issue forth from the TP wingnuts? You know, those that generally look at Jews and the state of Israel as means to an end for the Biblical Endtimes...
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:39:16pm |
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Kragar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:39:47pm |
re: #60 Irenicum
Hooks! Don't do buttons! You'll break Amish sharia!!!
I'm a member of the Underground. We're ferrying those under the yoke of Amish oppression to freedom.
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Irenicum Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:39:50pm |
re: #56 SanFranciscoZionist
I totally agree. My father lived in the Amish/Mennonite area of Pa. and it's absolutely wonderful there.
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webevintage Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:39:57pm |
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:40:16pm |
You all do know, don't you, that the most efficient way to cut long grass is still the scythe, right?
Far more ecologically sound than a weed-whacker, never needs anything but sharpening, and cuts a wide swathe. I learned how to used one when I was living in Germany.
You know who still uses scythes?
The Amish.
And you know who else uses a scythe for his everyday business?
[Cato goes to blackboard, draws big arrow between "this" and "that", looks at camera, weeps]
That's right! Death!
Amish people are a death cult just waiting to take over our faces, cut off our mustaches with scythes, and make us all forgo dating and engage in the nefarious practice known as "bundling" instead.
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abolitionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:40:26pm |
re: #54 JasonA
holy shit
Mark Williams' New Line On NYC Mosque: Mayor Bloomberg Is A 'Judenrat'
Who was it made propaganda videos about rats? Godwin something. No, that's not it.
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jaunte Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:40:46pm |
re: #54 JasonA
holy shit
Mark Williams' New Line On NYC Mosque: Mayor Bloomberg Is A 'Judenrat'
What a low life creep.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:41:12pm |
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:42:36pm |
re: #69 Stanley Sea
Disgusting. Sad, disgusting, and oh so predictable.
In hindsight, I feel fortunate that I got to live this long without seeing such blatant racism and bigotry as we're experiencing now.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:42:53pm |
re: #48 talon_262
You have no idea how much I feel like a dumb kid for not knowing this before now. I'm the guy who makes fun of people for not knowing Vanilla Ice sampled Queen and Bowie.
Great track too!
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brownbagj Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:43:14pm |
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Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:43:25pm |
re: #54 JasonA
holy shit
Mark Williams' New Line On NYC Mosque: Mayor Bloomberg Is A 'Judenrat'
Pamela Geller also writes stuff exactly like that, all the time.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:43:28pm |
re: #61 talon_262
How did we now know that something like this wasn't going to eventually issue forth from the TP wingnuts? You know, those that generally look at Jews and the state of Israel as means to an end for the Biblical Endtimes...
Well, the standing anti-Muslim crap from the beginning of the movement until now has been to grant authenticity to Jews who amp up the fear, and trash those of us who fail to get with the program.
These folks just have a bigger forum for their crap now.
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webevintage Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:43:47pm |
re: #66 Cato the Elder
That's right! Death!
Also DEATH rides a horse and the Amish use horses.....
It is all right there if you are just looking and have a chalkboard.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:44:06pm |
re: #66 Cato the Elder
You all do know, don't you, that the most efficient way to cut long grass is still the scythe, right?
Far more ecologically sound than a weed-whacker, never needs anything but sharpening, and cuts a wide swathe. I learned how to used one when I was living in Germany.
You know who still uses scythes?
The Amish.
And you know who else uses a scythe for his everyday business?
[Cato goes to blackboard, draws big arrow between "this" and "that", looks at camera, weeps]
That's right! Death!
Amish people are a death cult just waiting to take over our faces, cut off our mustaches with scythes, and make us all forgo dating and engage in the nefarious practice known as "bundling" instead.
Plus, a scythe blade is commonly crescent shape. What other cult uses a crescent shape? It all comes together now.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:44:07pm |
Any Jew who disagrees with Pamela Geller gets the "kapo" label. And that's usually just for starters.
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Winny Spencer Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:44:55pm |
re: #54 JasonA
But remember, Obama is the "racist in chief". Mark is not racist at all.
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brownbagj Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:44:59pm |
re: #76 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
And death wears a head to toe robe. Most often, the face is hidden.
Coincidence? I think not.
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wrenchwench Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:44:59pm |
re: #77 Charles
Any Jew who disagrees with Pamela Geller gets the "kapo" label. And that's usually just for starters.
Max Blumenthal, most recently.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:45:19pm |
re: #78 Winny Spencer
But remember, Obama is the "racist in chief". Mark is not racist at all.
Just asking questions...
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:46:29pm |
re: #54 JasonA
holy shit
Mark Williams' New Line On NYC Mosque: Mayor Bloomberg Is A 'Judenrat'
Reposting this from the previous thread, because it seems cogent:
I may be Godwin-ing the thread, but the right-wing reactions to the whole "America won't be majority white by 2050", in concert with what we're currently seeing in regards to immigrants and Muslims, is in the same vein as the conditions that fueled the rise of the Nazis. Bad economic times, xenophobia, blaming most social ills on immigrants (and, in the case of the Nazis, on Jews)...I'm not saying we'll see another Hitler, but some people in this country right now are priming us for a world of hurt.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:46:39pm |
re: #77 Charles
Any Jew that disagrees with Pamela Geller gets the "kapo" label. And that's usually just for starters.
Maybe I'm just numb to it coming from her. This term just sounds worse to me, too.
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:47:15pm |
re: #77 Charles
Any Jew that disagrees with Pamela Geller gets the "kapo" label. And that's usually just for starters.
If Pamz is a "good" Jew, then I'm the King of Sweden...
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:48:33pm |
re: #84 talon_262
If Pamz is a "good" Jew, then I'm the King of Sweden...
Just don't call her "anti-Muslim." That would put her in danger...
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:49:02pm |
There should be a course, administered by Cato, possibly TAed by D_F and a few of the other Lizards. You'd be required to take this course before you would be allowed to use any Nazi terminology. It would mainly consist of Cato yelling "Don't!" in various languages, plus a primer on the Holocaust.
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:49:42pm |
re: #76 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Plus, a scythe blade is commonly crescent shape. What other cult uses a crescent shape? It all comes together now.
OMGOMGOMG!!!!11ty
The Amish are after us...and our souls!!!!11ty
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:50:07pm |
re: #73 Charles
I've heard the word that is being mentioned before. What does it mean?
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:51:29pm |
re: #88 ProLifeLiberal
I've heard the word that is being mentioned before. What does it mean?
They talk about it in the article.
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tnguitarist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:51:51pm |
Instead of virgins when they reach paradise, they are greeted with very stern-looking women.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:51:57pm |
re: #88 ProLifeLiberal
I've heard the word that is being mentioned before. What does it mean?
Its particularly bad IMHO. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] . Jews that assisted in the running of camps more or less.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:52:27pm |
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:52:33pm |
Woops, explained the wrong horrible term. Sorry ProLife!
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Kragar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:53:24pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:53:54pm |
re: #91 McSpiff
Its particularly bad IMHO. [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] . Jews that assisted in the running of camps more or less.
As with so many of the RWR's borrowed terms, (dhimmi, jizya, kapo) it assumes that Muslim radicals are actually in charge of and running things.
Perhaps if they'd take a look around, they'd realize this is not the case in the slightest.
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:54:12pm |
re: #88 ProLifeLiberal
I've heard the word that is being mentioned before. What does it mean?
Judenräte (singular Judenrat; German for "Jewish council") were administrative bodies during the Second World War that the Germans required Jews to form in the German occupied territory of Poland, and later in the occupied territories of the Soviet Union[1]
The first Judenräte were formed by Reinhard Heydrich's orders on September 21, 1939, soon after the end of the German assault on Poland.
The Judenrat served as a liaison between the German occupying authorities and the Jewish communities under occupation. The Judenrat operated pre-existing Jewish communal properties such as hospitals, soup kitchens, day care centers, and vocational schools.
With the formation of ghettos, these bodies became responsible for local government in the ghetto, and stood between the Nazis and the ghetto population. They were generally composed of leaders of the pre-war Jewish community (with the exception of the Soviet Union, where Jewish organizations were eliminated in 1930s). They were forced by the Nazis to provide Jews for use as slave labor, and to assist in the deportation of Jews to extermination camps during the Holocaust. Those who refused to follow Nazi orders or were unable to cooperate fully were frequently rounded up and shot or deported to the extermination camps themselves.
In a number of cases, such as the Minsk ghetto and the Łachwa ghetto, Judenrats cooperated with the resistance movement. In other cases, Judenrats collaborated with the Nazis, on the basis that cooperation might save the lives of the ghetto inhabitants.[2]
Mark the Moron didn't really even use the term correctly, but it sounded good (to him, anyway).
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:54:17pm |
re: #93 McSpiff
Woops, explained the wrong horrible term. Sorry ProLife!
Close, though.
Judenräte (singular Judenrat; German for "Jewish council") were administrative bodies during the Second World War that the Germans required Jews to form in the German occupied territory of Poland, and later in the occupied territories of the Soviet Union
The first Judenräte were formed by Reinhard Heydrich's orders on September 21, 1939, soon after the end of the German assault on Poland.
The Judenrat served as a liaison between the German occupying authorities and the Jewish communities under occupation. The Judenrat operated pre-existing Jewish communal properties such as hospitals, soup kitchens, day care centers, and vocational schools.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:54:54pm |
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:54:55pm |
re: #87 talon_262
OMGOMGOMG!!!11ty
The Amish are after us...and our souls!!!11ty
[Link: spokanarama.blogspot.com...]
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:55:44pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:56:39pm |
re: #98 Stanley Sea
All I've got is DAMN.
You who know the history so much better than I...I can't imagine your reactions. This is too much. I don't think I'm being dramatic either.
I can't allow my head to explode. I'm in my nice new classroom, and the janitors have enough to do.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:57:44pm |
re: #51 Killgore Trout
"Leading questions" much, Fux?
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Digital Display Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:57:55pm |
re: #101 SanFranciscoZionist
I can't allow my head to explode. I'm in my nice new classroom, and the janitors have enough to do.
Awesome! Are you teaching at a new school now?
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:59:28pm |
re: #95 SanFranciscoZionist
As with so many of the RWR's borrowed terms, (dhimmi, jizya, kapo) it assumes that Muslim radicals are actually in charge of and running things.
Perhaps if they'd take a look around, they'd realize this is not the case in the slightest.
I can't even describe how mad terms like Kapo make me. It turns the complete...futility of the Nazi extermination system...for lack of a better term...into a god damn political disagreement. Anyone who compares Park51 or the democrats or gay marriage to something like Sobibor can fuck right off. They are beyond contempt in my mind. Its worse than "Never Forget". It twists this vital memory into something so...mundane?
I've rambled enough. I'm cutting myself off here.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Aug 23, 2010 3:59:35pm |
re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist
Wow. I really hope the ADL says something about that kind of rhetoric. Is that expecting too much?
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:00:01pm |
re: #100 JasonA
Of course it did. Two syllables are "Jew" and "rat."
*spit*
I'm surprised he don't use the other WWII pejorative for Jews: "kapo"
I wouldn't put it past him, but then it wouldn't have as much meaning to the TPers and wingnuts, becuse they'd actually have to look the meaning up.
/man I remember when that term was thrown around here in the Bad Old Days, especially in reference to George Soros...
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:01:08pm |
re: #103 HoosierHoops
Awesome! Are you teaching at a new school now?
Yep. Sixth grade at a Catholic elementary school that's RIGHT in my neighborhood. Might end up being the place my hypothetical kids go, because after a couple of BAD stories in the paper about the local public school, my mother has informed me that her grandchildren are not setting foot in that place.
It's all bright and pretty in here, and they ripped out the horrible carpet and put in wood-look Pergo this summer. Thank goodness. That rug was something else.
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:01:36pm |
re: #106 talon_262
PIMF...meant "I'm surprised he didn't use.."
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:01:44pm |
re: #105 ProLifeLiberal
Wow. I really hope the ADL says something about that kind of rhetoric. Is that expecting too much?
I'm definitely going write and tell them they should, at the least.
These people are not our friends.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:02:39pm |
re: #109 SanFranciscoZionist
Who's that woman in your pic?
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:03:38pm |
These people are bigots. They can whine about liberals and stuff all they want but their actions are why they get labeled this. Calling a Jewish man "Judenrat" because he supports the right to build a mosque is simply unacceptable. These people wouldn't know the real Nazis if it bit on the ass.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:03:55pm |
Does anyone know how much those fake candles, the flickery ones that are scented but don't actually light, cost? I was thinking I might get some for the shrine in the room.
Honoring the Virgin is good.
Not burning down the school: even better.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:05:21pm |
re: #111 HappyWarrior
These people are bigots. They can whine about liberals and stuff all they want but their actions are why they get labeled this. Calling a Jewish man "Judenrat" because he supports the right to build a mosque is simply unacceptable. These people wouldn't know the real Nazis if it bit on the ass.
Oh, I think they're getting to know the Nazi mindset better than you think.
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:05:26pm |
re: #111 HappyWarrior
These people are bigots. They can whine about liberals and stuff all they want but their actions are why they get labeled this. Calling a Jewish man "Judenrat" because he supports the right to build a mosque is simply unacceptable. These people wouldn't know the real Nazis if it bit on the ass.
Hell, some of them probably want to be like the Nazis and are bummed they were born too late...
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Ojoe Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:05:44pm |
re: #56 SanFranciscoZionist
You know, if the Amish ran everything, that wouldn't be too bad.
There would not be this economic crisis that we are having now.
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:06:02pm |
re: #112 SanFranciscoZionist
Does anyone know how much those fake candles, the flickery ones that are scented but don't actually light, cost? I was thinking I might get some for the shrine in the room.
Honoring the Virgin is good.
Not burning down the school: even better.
That would be a plus...
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:06:53pm |
re: #114 talon_262
Stormfront, I'm looking at you...
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Ming Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:07:54pm |
Butter can cause arteriosclerosis. The Amish want Americans to have heart attacks! They used to be nice people, but they've been brainwashed by the liberal media!
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:08:06pm |
re: #115 Ojoe
There would not be this economic crisis that we are having now.
We also wouldn't be having this conversation either. Now, if it were the Mennonites...
;-P
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:08:33pm |
re: #118 Ming
Butter can cause arteriosclerosis. The Amish want Americans to have heart attacks! They used to be nice people, but they've been brainwashed by the liberal media!
Mmmm, real butter...
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:09:14pm |
re: #96 talon_262
Mark the Moron didn't really even use the term correctly, but it sounded good (to him, anyway).
It is doubly disgusting for these people to use the word like that, without explanation, in an English-speaking context.
Historically, the Judenräte were set up by the Nazis as compulsory representatives of the Jews confined to ghettos - viz. Warsaw - to act as involuntary liaisons between the oppressed Jews and the Third Reich. The Nazis purposely picked respected rabbis and community leaders in order to, among other things, make them complicit in the extermination program. Sadists that they were, the Nazis enjoyed the spectacle of rabbis being forced to scurry back and forth, bearing news of false hope, reprieve, timeouts and "transfers" to the East - and then going back on what they said the next day.
In an English-speaking context, of course, many semi-educated people will recognize the "Juden" in Judenrat. But the second after that, they see "rat".
For someone in deliberate, pretended ignorance to apply the term to Mayor Bloomberg because of his principled stand on the grounds of the First Amendment is nothing short of calling him a "Jew rat".
A what?
This is anti-Semitism endorsed by bigoted Jews against their own, and by bigoted non-Jews against Jews.
I hope you're fucking proud of yourself, Pamshite. You twat.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:09:29pm |
re: #113 JasonA
Oh, I think they're getting to know the Nazi mindset better than you think.
Yeah, honestly it's disturbing stuff. It annoys me to no end to see politicians pandering to these assholes. Seriously fuck their idea of America.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:11:31pm |
re: #121 Cato the Elder
*ahem* For the record, I would like to submit that I do realize the term doesn't translate into what it sounds like.
Just clarifying.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:11:49pm |
Something to think about with the Holocaust. Auschwitz was such a large camp because it actually held prisoners. Its so well known at least partially because there are numerous survivors who were able to tell the tale. The notorious "sorting process" when the trains arrived is a common thread in the story of many of the survivors.
Many camps had no barracks, no sorting process, no work teams. You arrived, you were stripped, robbed, gassed and burned. The process took hours at most. And that was that. Next day, another train repeat. That lizards, is truly the face of the evil. Regular, practiced, optimized murder on a truly horrifying scale.
Here's a quote from Wikipedia about one of the original extermination camps:
At least 434,500 Jews were killed at Bełżec, along with an unknown number of Poles and Roma; only one or two Jews are known to have survived Bełżec: Rudolf Reder and Chaim Hirszman. The lack of survivors may be the reason why this camp is so little known despite its number of victims.
I'm sure others could make a similar post about the evils of communism.
So the next time someone compares the democrats, Bush, the gays, etc to these people... think long and hard. Think what must be truly gone wrong in that person's mind that makes such a comparison seem at all realistic. And then do everything you can to make sure that person is never taken seriously again. Please.
On the other hand, Never Forget. Learn how and why the Nazis came to power. Learn about propaganda, and how entire cultures, thousands of years old can become so demonized. Learn how the German people were convinced to trade rights for security, how the SS was given free reign and make sure you are never even tempted by those who would make the same promises.
On that note, I'm taking a breather. I'll be back in 30min-1 hour.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:11:55pm |
re: #86 McSpiff
There should be a course, administered by Cato, possibly TAed by D_F and a few of the other Lizards. You'd be required to take this course before you would be allowed to use any Nazi terminology. It would mainly consist of Cato yelling "Don't!" in various languages, plus a primer on the Holocaust.
At your service. See my #121.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:13:08pm |
re: #105 ProLifeLiberal
Wow. I really hope the ADL says something about that kind of rhetoric. Is that expecting too much?
If the Museum of Tolerance isn't being tolerant I just don't know what's going on.
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:13:49pm |
re: #123 JasonA
*ahem* For the record, I would like to submit that I do realize the term doesn't translate into what it sounds like.
Just clarifying.
Oh, Cato knows, as do most of us...the "rat" in "Judenrat" (a German word) simply means "council" (or "councilor" in the singular), not the English definition of rat.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:13:51pm |
re: #124 McSpiff
Something to think about with the Holocaust. Auschwitz was such a large camp because it actually held prisoners. Its so well known at least partially because there are numerous survivors who were able to tell the tale. The notorious "sorting process" when the trains arrived is a common thread in the story of many of the survivors.
Many camps had no barracks, no sorting process, no work teams. You arrived, you were stripped, robbed, gassed and burned. The process took hours at most. And that was that. Next day, another train repeat. That lizards, is truly the face of the evil. Regular, practiced, optimized murder on a truly horrifying scale.
Although everyone remembers the name of Auschwitz, Birkenau was the site of the mass murders.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:14:12pm |
Dangerous Radical Imam speaks out again;
Ground Zero mosque imam: U.S. constitution reflects true Muslim values
The imam spearheading plans for an Islamic center near the New York City site of the Sept. 11 terror attacks said Sunday that America's sweeping constitutional rights are more in line with the true principles of Islam than the restrictions imposed by some Muslim regimes.
Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf told the Al Wasat newspaper in Bahrain that the freedoms enshrined by the U.S. Constitution also reflect true Muslim values.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:15:41pm |
re: #129 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Dangerous Radical Imam speaks out again;
Ground Zero mosque imam: U.S. constitution reflects true Muslim values
See? They're trying to claim that the Constitution is theirs!
/Pam
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:16:25pm |
re: #129 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Wife of 'ground zero mosque' imam epitomizes Islam's modernizing voice
Outrageous!
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:16:47pm |
re: #128 Alouette
Although everyone remembers the name of Auschwitz, Birkenau was the site of the mass murders.
No wonder Henry Ford was such an admirer of the Nazis...they turned his innovation of the assembly line into the ultimate power over human life (and death).
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:17:04pm |
What the fucking goddamn hell is happening to this country?
Just wait till I start ragin'.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:18:13pm |
re: #131 Killgore Trout
Wife of 'ground zero mosque' imam epitomizes Islam's modernizing voice
Outrageous!
Actually, I'm kind of happy to see this article coming from the CSM.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:18:24pm |
re: #131 Killgore Trout
Wife of 'ground zero mosque' imam epitomizes Islam's modernizing voice
Outrageous!
See? They're people just like the rest of us! Are you going to let them get away with that?
/Geller-Spencer Bigot Brigade
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:18:39pm |
If there's one thing that the ignorant assholes who compare everything they don't like politically to the Nazis can teach us, it is why we need to teach our children history in school. We need to remember as David McCullough pointed out that history is the story of people. Those victims in the Holocaust weren't statistics. They were someone's brother, sister, mother, father, aunt, uncle, etc. I still think often about my visit to the site of Dachau two years ago. It felt so incredibly eerie to be walking there where so many died. Felt equally weird to walk in the Jewish Quarter of Prague where the Jews of that city had flourished for generations only to be wiped out.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:19:09pm |
re: #128 Alouette
Although everyone remembers the name of Auschwitz, Birkenau was the site of the mass murders.
You are correct of course. I've also seen it referred to as Auschwitz II, and Auschwitz-Birkenau. It was considered a sub-camp of some form I believe? The whole thing was so massive... What is listed as one camp could in reality consist of dozens of actual installations. The GULAG was run in a similar manner I believe.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:21:06pm |
re: #136 HappyWarrior
If there's one thing that the ignorant assholes who compare everything they don't like politically to the Nazis can teach us, it is why we need to teach our children history in school.
By the time the Texas School Board gets done with 'em, the history texts will all say that Hitler tried to impose socialism on Europe, and that's what makes him a bad guy.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:22:11pm |
re: #138 elbruce
By the time the Texas School Board gets done with 'em, the history texts will all say that Hitler tried to impose socialism on Europe, and that's what makes him a bad guy.
I thought it was his homosexuality? Or maybe the influence Islam had on him? No, no, no, that's right, it all came from Darwin...
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:22:15pm |
re: #137 McSpiff
You are correct of course. I've also seen it referred to as Auschwitz II, and Auschwitz-Birkenau. It was considered a sub-camp of some form I believe?
I believe that Birkenau was a later expansion, but it was considerably larger than the Auschwitz complex. It's indicitave of how late and how massively they ramped up the program.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:22:49pm |
re: #140 elbruce
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:24:18pm |
re: #139 JasonA
I thought it was his homosexuality? Or maybe the influence Islam had on him? No, no, no, that's right, it all came from Darwin...
And Darwin got his ideas from Muhammad!
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rwmofo Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:25:07pm |
Holy Cow! Barbara Eden is 76? Did "I Dream of Jeannie" when I should have been listening to my 5th grade teacher? Oh yes.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:25:27pm |
re: #142 HappyWarrior
And Darwin got his ideas from Muhammad!
I... I can't see the whole picture without the blackboard.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:25:46pm |
Speaking of history: I am teaching Ancient World this year. We do a whole lot of work on Egypt, China, India, the Mesopotamians, Greece, Rome, etc.
Two areas I find missing in our books (and the CA standards), and would like to expand more on are the Americas, and Sub-Saharan Africa. I'm planning to create a small unit for each, just so's the kids understand that stuff is going on in these places. Given the ethnic makeup of the class, this seems especially important.
Can anyone recommend some areas/cultures I might focus on that flourished before the fall of Rome, and have some interesting details the kids might like? The seventh-grade year has considerable material on both areas, I'd just like to give them a sense that something happened between the dawn of time and the thirteenth century.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:25:54pm |
Pat Buchanan says Hooray for prejudice!
Only Bigots Oppose the Mosque!
It is this idea of prejudice that Edmund Burke endorsed:
“Many of our men of speculation, instead of exploding general prejudices, employ their sagacity to discover the latent wisdom which prevails in them. If they find what they seek, and they seldom fail, they think it most wise to continue the prejudice, with the reason involved, than to cast away the coat of prejudice, and to leave nothing but the naked reason.”
...
Why would Americans be reflexively skeptical and wary of Islam?We were born a Christian nation, an extension of Christendom. For most of us, it is part of our DNA. And for a thousand years, our ancestors fought a war of civilizations with Islam.
...
An apprehension about that is what Burke called the “latent wisdom” of a people.This is not an argument for war with Islam, but for recognition that “East is East and West is West” and America cannot absorb and assimilate all the creeds of mankind without ceasing to be who we are.
Prejudice is prejudgment. And if prejudgment is rooted in the history and traditions of a people, and what life has taught us, it is a shield that protects. Only a fool would reject the inherited wisdom of his kind because it fails to comport with the ideology of the moment.
“Prejudice,” wrote Burke, “is of ready application in the emergency; it previously engages the mind in a steady course of wisdom and virtue, and does not leave the man hesitating in the moment of decision, skeptical, puzzled and unresolved.”
Without prejudice, we are tabula rasa, blank slates, upon which any ideology may be written, including what James Burnham called the ideology of Western suicide — liberalism.
Prejudice is a conservative value!
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:26:08pm |
re: #140 elbruce
I believe that Birkenau was a later expansion, but it was considerably larger than the Auschwitz complex. It's indicitave of how late and how massively they ramped up the program.
That's right, it was the expansion. Well, the Wannsee conference wasn't until...42? And the concentration camps (as opposed to extermination) had been in operation since the 30s right? My timeline could be totally off tho.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:28:00pm |
re: #146 Killgore Trout
Pat Buchanan is one of the most honest men to be found in punditry.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:28:04pm |
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:28:08pm |
re: #147 McSpiff
That's right, it was the expansion. Well, the Wannsee conference wasn't until...42? And the concentration camps (as opposed to extermination) had been in operation since the 30s right? My timeline could be totally off tho.
Yeah that's right. Wannsee was in '42 and Dachau opened up I believe in '33.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:28:56pm |
re: #136 HappyWarrior
If there's one thing that the ignorant assholes who compare everything they don't like politically to the Nazis can teach us, it is why we need to teach our children history in school. We need to remember as David McCullough pointed out that history is the story of people. Those victims in the Holocaust weren't statistics. They were someone's brother, sister, mother, father, aunt, uncle, etc. I still think often about my visit to the site of Dachau two years ago. It felt so incredibly eerie to be walking there where so many died. Felt equally weird to walk in the Jewish Quarter of Prague where the Jews of that city had flourished for generations only to be wiped out.
I can help with that.
As one of the three translators of the Holocaust Memorial Museum-approved study of the Nazi legal system as regards "non-Germans" (which included everybody who wasn't blond enough, but principally Jews and Poles), I will happily make copies of this sold-out, out-of-print book to anyone who cares to apply to me. My nick is blue.
It's over a thousand pages of detailed, footnoted research by a righteous German scholar into how every damned thing the Nazis did was legally codified and implemented.
And if you read it carefully, you will see that what the Nazis accomplished is now being attempted again, with Muslims as the first victims this time.
Pam Geller: I call you out. Read this book and tell me you aren't heading down the same path. And when they and you are done with "them", the Nazis you've lain down with will come for you.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:29:09pm |
re: #5 Killgore Trout
Came for Rumspringa reference, leaving satisfied.
I had NO idea about that aspect of Amish life until I saw a documentary about it.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:29:10pm |
re: #147 McSpiff
That's right, it was the expansion. Well, the Wannsee conference wasn't until...42? And the concentration camps (as opposed to extermination) had been in operation since the 30s right? My timeline could be totally off tho.
A great movie about Wannsee was "Conspiracy," by HBO, starring Kenneth Brannagh and Stan Tucci. Damn good movie.
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MittDoesNotCompute Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:29:50pm |
re: #148 JasonA
Pat Buchanan is one of the most honest men to be found in punditry.
Even if he is a xenophobic choad...
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:30:44pm |
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austin_blue Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:30:55pm |
re: #129 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Dangerous Radical Imam speaks out again;
Ground Zero mosque imam: U.S. constitution reflects true Muslim values
But..but..splutter..
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:31:12pm |
re: #153 JasonA
A great movie about Wannsee was "Conspiracy," by HBO, starring Kenneth Brannagh and Stan Tucci. Damn good movie.
Saw some of that when I took a class on Eastern European history this spring. Branagh's Heydich was eerie. It was just so amazing how business like they were in discussing the full scale murder of thousands of people.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:31:42pm |
re: #156 austin_blue
But..but..splutter..
Moderate! We need the moderate Muslims! Yes! er, no comment.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:31:57pm |
re: #152 negativ
Came for Rumspringa reference, leaving satisfied.
I had NO idea about that aspect of Amish life until I saw a documentary about it.
There's a reality show on Chanel 4 (uk) about some Amish teens exploring British life. Pretty interesting stuff.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:32:45pm |
re: #157 HappyWarrior
Saw some of that when I took a class on Eastern European history this spring. Branagh's Heydich was eerie. It was just so amazing how business like they were in discussing the full scale murder of thousands of people.
Even the protagonist was a full-blown anti-semite. It's very hard to make such a good movie when there isn't a "hero" to be seen.
And Tucci's Eichmann was no less creepy.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:33:12pm |
re: #148 JasonA
Pat Buchanan is one of the most honest men to be found in punditry.
Excapt for the whole Nazi apologist thing...
Buchanan has also argued that it would have been impossible for hundreds of thousands of Jews to perish in the gas chambers of the Treblinka death camp, a perverse obscenity regularly disseminated by Holocaust deniers. And he has referred to a "so-called Holocaust Survivor syndrome" which he described as involving "group fantasies of martyrdom and heroics."
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:33:48pm |
re: #161 elbruce
i don't think he was being serious...
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:34:14pm |
re: #161 elbruce
Excapt for the whole Nazi apologist thing...
Ah, but I'm convinced, 100% full-blown, no questions asked, convinced that Pat believes that.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:34:31pm |
re: #161 elbruce
Excapt for the whole Nazi apologist thing...
as involving "group fantasies of martyrdom and heroics."
Like the modern Tea Party Movement and Christian Evangelicals screaming Christian persecution?
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windsagio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:34:42pm |
re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist
The Hausa culture are good, from about 500 CE
Also the Khosa (bushmen), but them being essentially unchanged to this day might be good or bad for you.
For the Americas, if you're avoiding hte obvious I'd see if we've learned any more about the Mississippi mound builders in the last 20 years >>
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:34:57pm |
re: #162 Aceofwhat?
i don't think he was being serious...
Oh, no. I totally was. I think Pat tells us exactly what's on his mind and doesn't bother to spin it.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:35:19pm |
re: #151 Cato the Elder
Holy crap Cato, I knew you had translated some nazi documents, but this...this is the real deal. Thank you, work like this is so incredibly vital.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:35:30pm |
re: #166 JasonA
Oh, no. I totally was. I think Pat tells us exactly what's on his mind and doesn't bother to spin it.
Don't think for a moment that I believe what he says carries any merit, Ace.
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:35:54pm |
re: #166 JasonA
Oh, no. I totally was. I think Pat tells us exactly what's on his mind and doesn't bother to spin it.
i humbly accept the correction
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:36:42pm |
re: #168 JasonA
Don't think for a moment that I believe what he says carries any merit, Ace.
well, that's what i wanted to make sure Elbruce understood...the thought never crossed my mind.
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austin_blue Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:36:46pm |
re: #161 elbruce
Excapt for the whole Nazi apologist thing...
Ah. I suppose the tattoos are stigmata, then. Makes perfect sense to Pat.
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b_sharp Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:38:10pm |
re: #146 Killgore Trout
Pat Buchanan says Hooray for prejudice!
Only Bigots Oppose the Mosque!Prejudice is a conservative value!
Pat Buchanan is an idiot, and he's too stupid to realize it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:38:38pm |
re: #165 windsagio
The Hausa culture are good, from about 500 CE
Also the Khosa (bushmen), but them being essentially unchanged to this day might be good or bad for you.
For the Americas, if you're avoiding hte obvious I'd see if we've learned any more about the Mississippi mound builders in the last 20 years >>
Thanks! Will investigate.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:38:59pm |
I wonder if something's up with the ADL....
Imams join U.S. officials at Nazi sites
Organizers of the trip say they were dismayed that the Anti-Defamation League’s Abe Foxman lobbied U.S. officials against participating. They also say the Investigative Project’s Steve Emerson, author of "American Jihad," lobbied against the trip, arguing that one of the imams planning to participate had made Holocaust denial statements a decade ago.
Emerson was unavailable for comment and Foxman did not respond to repeated queries from POLITICO.
Did ADL Director Lobby Against Interfaith Trip To Concentration Camps?A "person familiar with the trip," however, told Justin Elliott at Salon that Foxman called Rosenthal and the White House to voice his objections, and went so far as to urge a Polish rabbi, scheduled to meet the imams, to cancel.
Curious.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:39:01pm |
re: #161 elbruce
At risk of getting in trouble, that's still not LYING, its just evil delusion >>
He's certainly honest, just crazy.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:40:03pm |
oops, I fucked up the second link...
Did ADL Director Lobby Against Interfaith Trip To Concentration Camps?
A "person familiar with the trip," however, told Justin Elliott at Salon that Foxman called Rosenthal and the White House to voice his objections, and went so far as to urge a Polish rabbi, scheduled to meet the imams, to cancel.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:40:18pm |
re: #173 SanFranciscoZionist
I love old, more obscure cultures.
There was some sub-saharan culture that was known for making this truly incredible early ironwork, but for the life of me I can't remember what they were called. If I remember I'll look it up.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:40:39pm |
re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist
Speaking of history: I am teaching Ancient World this year. We do a whole lot of work on Egypt, China, India, the Mesopotamians, Greece, Rome, etc.
Two areas I find missing in our books (and the CA standards), and would like to expand more on are the Americas, and Sub-Saharan Africa. I'm planning to create a small unit for each, just so's the kids understand that stuff is going on in these places. Given the ethnic makeup of the class, this seems especially important.
Can anyone recommend some areas/cultures I might focus on that flourished before the fall of Rome, and have some interesting details the kids might like? The seventh-grade year has considerable material on both areas, I'd just like to give them a sense that something happened between the dawn of time and the thirteenth century.
The Wagadugu Empire formed close to present day Ghana just as the Roman Empire was in its final death throws, 400 CE. I know a lot more about Ashanti culture and tradition, because there is a lot more to know, but they came much later.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:42:25pm |
re: #178 goddamnedfrank
The Wagadugu Empire formed close to present day Ghana just as the Roman Empire was in its final death throws, 400 CE. I know a lot more about Ashanti culture and tradition, because there is a lot more to know, but they came much later.
Thanks!
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:43:19pm |
re: #174 Killgore Trout
Earlier this month, several imams joined U.S. officials to visit the Dachau and Auschwitz concentration camps, a trip which resulted in the clerics issuing a statement condemning anti-Semitism and vowing "to make real the commitment of 'never again.'"
The eight Muslim-American clerics were joined by Hannah Rosenthal, the presidential special envoy to monitor and combat anti-Semitism, and a handful of other officials from the Obama, Bush and Reagan administrations.
This is the kind of American influence that I believe in.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:43:20pm |
ADL explains why Foxman lobbied against imams' Auschwitz trip
Something's going on.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:43:37pm |
re: #161 elbruce
Excapt for the whole Nazi apologist thing...
Buchanan has also argued that it would have been impossible for hundreds of thousands of Jews to perish in the gas chambers of the Treblinka death camp, a perverse obscenity regularly disseminated by Holocaust deniers. And he has referred to a "so-called Holocaust Survivor syndrome" which he described as involving "group fantasies of martyrdom and heroics."
It's not impossible Pat if you build large pits, construct a multi-level barbecue grills inside of the pits, lay the dead bodies on the many layers of grill work, and then start a fire under this structure, build about 10-12 of these pits, and you can easily take care of the daily influx of one-way visitors.
P.S. Pat... you use cranes with buckets to haul the ashes off and spread them all over the fields of Treblinka.
Try visiting the place Pat, try looking up the many photographs that the proud Germans took of the operation, read the booklet "My Year in Treblinka." (it's available in English just in case you don't speak Polish)... oh wait, it was written by a Jew during the war, you may not believe him.
Sigh...
I've been there, done all that, guess what folks, it happened, take my word for it.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:43:38pm |
re: #167 McSpiff
Holy crap Cato, I knew you had translated some nazi documents, but this...this is the real deal. Thank you, work like this is so incredibly vital.
It represents about a decade's worth of my productive life's work. No joke. Ten years.
That's also about how long it took the author to research and write it. A process that included learning Hebrew, Polish, Yiddish and Russian, so she could use the archives.
It is in every vasty sense of the word a magesterial undertaking, and if I'm remembered for nothing else, I will be proud to have my name attached to this.
Published by the Johns Hopkins University Press, with the imprimatur and financial support of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.
Part of the translation work was literally inventing English terminology to represent the shitemouthed bureaucratese legal German of the Nazis, who made it all up as they went along. The book includes a ca. 60-pp. appendix: a lexicon of Nazi legal terms. That alone could be published as a separate volume for future scholars in the field.
Quite seriously: this is something about which I know whereof I speak. The book was unaffordable to all but libraries when it was published ($150 new), and is now out of print. But if anyone is interested, I will make sure that a copy is accessible. My nick remains blue.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:44:53pm |
re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist
Speaking of history: I am teaching Ancient World this year. We do a whole lot of work on Egypt, China, India, the Mesopotamians, Greece, Rome, etc.
Two areas I find missing in our books (and the CA standards), and would like to expand more on are the Americas, and Sub-Saharan Africa. I'm planning to create a small unit for each, just so's the kids understand that stuff is going on in these places. Given the ethnic makeup of the class, this seems especially important.
Can anyone recommend some areas/cultures I might focus on that flourished before the fall of Rome, and have some interesting details the kids might like? The seventh-grade year has considerable material on both areas, I'd just like to give them a sense that something happened between the dawn of time and the thirteenth century.
Sounds interesting. I think the Celts may fit your time period but I unfortunately don't know too much about them. Saw some amazing ruins of theirs though when I was in Ireland on the Aran Islands. Wish I knew more but my history knowledge is mostly modern. I'm sure the kids will love whatever you go with since you're going with something unique and I always loved learning the unconventional.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:45:26pm |
re: #174 Killgore Trout
I wonder if something's up with the ADL...
Imams join U.S. officials at Nazi sitesYes. I saw this. If true, just shitty. We are all for tolerance, but once the group we despise gets involved, no way. It is very telling.
shitty
Curious.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:46:31pm |
re: #177 windsagio
here's a link to early steel in Africa, the Kingdom of Kush had super-advanced metallurgy before 500 BCE and has the advantage of being mentioned in the Bible, so that's a tie-in.
Random: At your school do they use BC or BCE?
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:47:04pm |
re: #145 SanFranciscoZionist
Speaking of history: I am teaching Ancient World this year. We do a whole lot of work on Egypt, China, India, the Mesopotamians, Greece, Rome, etc.
Two areas I find missing in our books (and the CA standards), and would like to expand more on are the Americas, and Sub-Saharan Africa. I'm planning to create a small unit for each, just so's the kids understand that stuff is going on in these places. Given the ethnic makeup of the class, this seems especially important.
Can anyone recommend some areas/cultures I might focus on that flourished before the fall of Rome, and have some interesting details the kids might like? The seventh-grade year has considerable material on both areas, I'd just like to give them a sense that something happened between the dawn of time and the thirteenth century.
One word: Timbuktu.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:47:58pm |
re: #181 Killgore Trout
ADL explains why Foxman lobbied against imams' Auschwitz trip
Something's going on.
So fucked up.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:48:20pm |
re: #185 Stanley Sea
I wish I had a better grip on this. If Abe Foxman knows something I don't, would he mind telling me?
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windsagio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:49:15pm |
re: #181 Killgore Trout
Yeah those guys are messed sometimes.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:49:38pm |
re: #183 Cato the Elder
It represents about a decade's worth of my productive life's work. No joke. Ten years.
That's also about how long it took the author to research and write it. A process that included learning Hebrew, Polish, Yiddish and Russian, so she could use the archives.
It is in every vasty sense of the word a magesterial undertaking, and if I'm remembered for nothing else, I will be proud to have my name attached to this.
Published by the Johns Hopkins University Press, with the imprimatur and financial support of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum.
Part of the translation work was literally inventing English terminology to represent the shitemouthed bureaucratese legal German of the Nazis, who made it all up as they went along. The book includes a ca. 60-pp. appendix: a lexicon of Nazi legal terms. That alone could be published as a separate volume for future scholars in the field.
Quite seriously: this is something about which I know whereof I speak. The book was unaffordable to all but libraries when it was published ($150 new), and is now out of print. But if anyone is interested, I will make sure that a copy is accessible. My nick remains blue.
Truly amazing. This is something I'd love to just look through, but I could never do it justice.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:51:15pm |
re: #186 windsagio
here's a link to early steel in Africa, the Kingdom of Kush had super-advanced metallurgy before 500 BCE and has the advantage of being mentioned in the Bible, so that's a tie-in.
Random: At your school do they use BC or BCE?
The text we have uses BC and AD. I'm going to teach them to use BCE/CE dates as well, just so it doesn't confuse them down the road.
The Kushites are cool--and the links to Egypt are also useful.
Sadly, the Hebrew term "Kushi" used for a black person, is now seen as derogatory by many Israelis. Seems a pity. It has such a grand origin.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:51:26pm |
re: #188 Stanley Sea
Yeah, he even tried to sabotage the trip....
One person familiar with the trip told Salon that Foxman called both Rosenthal and the White House to object. When it went forward anyway, he went beyond objecting to the participation of the U.S. officials and called a Polish rabbi who had a scheduled meeting with the imams and asked the rabbi not to see the group, the person said.
I think maybe Foxman is changing his operation to a more anti-muslim format. I think that would be a serious mistake.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:51:34pm |
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:52:50pm |
re: #191 McSpiff
Truly amazing. This is something I'd love to just look through, but I could never do it justice.
It would also make you weep.
The footnotes are the real meat of the book, as you might expect from a German scholar.
One in particular made me cry: all about how the Nazis encouraged alcoholism, drug abuse, prostitution, and every other vice among the Poles, with a view to being able to more easily wipe them all out when they had worked to death and killed all the Jews and then worked to death and killed all the Poles.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:52:52pm |
re: #193 Killgore Trout
Yeah, he even tried to sabotage the trip...
I think maybe Foxman is changing his operation to a more anti-muslim format. I think that would be a serious mistake.
Last goddamn thing I need is the ADL getting in bed with some of the crazies out there.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:53:44pm |
re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist
It really does.
And that's a cool piece of language too :)
If you want mesoamerica btw, do the Taíno. First people in the Americas white people ever met, and you don't have to get into long discussions about blood sacrifice or the Spanish conquest.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:53:57pm |
re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist
And then we have the land of Punt. No, that isn't a typo.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:54:13pm |
re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist
Last goddamn thing I need is the ADL getting in bed with some of the crazies out there.
Maybe he thinks it's an opportunity. I don't think he knows what he's getting into.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:54:42pm |
re: #196 SanFranciscoZionist
I've heard people complaining that they're too tolerant. Maybe he's hurting in the donations?
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:55:00pm |
Gotta say as a history major who mostly focuses on more modern history, I'm learning a lot about these older civilizations. Thanks guys. Always learn something new every day here.
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freetoken Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:55:16pm |
Not unlike a toenail fungus, it just won't go away:
Levi Johnston to run for Sarah Palin's old job
Levi Johnston, the former fiance of Sarah Palin's teenage daughter Bristol, has filed official papers saying he intends to run for political office in Palin's Wasilla, Alaska hometown.Johnston, 20, has been embroiled in a nasty feud with the former Republican vice-presidential candidate since fathering Bristol's baby out of wedlock two years ago.
He filed a "letter of intent" with Alaska authorities on Friday, stating that he plans to run for elected office in Wasilla in 2011 elections, according to documents obtained by celebrity web site TMZ.com. [...]
I wonder - for how many decades will that extended clan be able to keep themselves in the limelight?
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Kragar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:55:23pm |
So virulent is the Islamophobic hysteria of the neocon and Fox News right — abetted by the useful idiocy of the Anti-Defamation League, Harry Reid and other cowed Democrats — that it has also rendered Gen. David Petraeus’s last-ditch counterinsurgency strategy for fighting the war inoperative. How do you win Muslim hearts and minds in Kandahar when you are calling Muslims every filthy name in the book in New York?
You’d think that American hawks invested in the Afghanistan “surge” would not act against their own professed interests. But they couldn’t stop themselves from placing cynical domestic politics over country. The ginned-up rage over the “ground zero mosque” was not motivated by a serious desire to protect America from the real threat of terrorists lurking at home and abroad — a threat this furor has in all likelihood exacerbated — but by the potential short-term rewards of winning votes by pandering to fear during an election season.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:55:52pm |
re: #200 windsagio
I've heard people complaining that they're too tolerant. Maybe he's hurting in the donations?
Tolerance is what they're SUPPOSED to do.
Muttermutter.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:56:33pm |
re: #201 HappyWarrior
It's amazing stuff. Our very ideas of history are changing in some ways. The best thing is 'parallel evolution' in technology.
As I remember it, they used to think that a particular thing (say, carbon furnaces) started in one place and spread throughout the world. Now we're starting to see that multiple places developed very similar methods independently.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:56:40pm |
re: #202 freetoken
Not unlike a toenail fungus, it just won't go away:
Levi Johnston to run for Sarah Palin's old job
I wonder - for how many decades will that extended clan be able to keep themselves in the limelight?
Well...well.
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abolitionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:56:44pm |
re: #177 windsagio
I love old, more obscure cultures.
There was some sub-saharan culture that was known for making this truly incredible early ironwork, but for the life of me I can't remember what they were called. If I remember I'll look it up.
Iron use, in smelting and forging for tools, appears in Nok culture in Africa by 500 BC.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:57:22pm |
re: #202 freetoken
Not unlike a toenail fungus, it just won't go away:
Levi Johnston to run for Sarah Palin's old job
I wonder - for how many decades will that extended clan be able to keep themselves in the limelight?
Levi...being in the mayor's orifice isn't the same as having experience being in the mayor's office.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:57:32pm |
re: #189 SanFranciscoZionist
I wish I had a better grip on this. If Abe Foxman knows something I don't, would he mind telling me?
Agree. Is it $? The right wing is not contributing enough so they need to support the right wing? Even if it goes against their raison d'etre?
It's not going to look good/end well.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:57:35pm |
re: #195 Cato the Elder
It would also make you weep.
The footnotes are the real meat of the book, as you might expect from a German scholar.
One in particular made me cry: all about how the Nazis encouraged alcoholism, drug abuse, prostitution, and every other vice among the Poles, with a view to being able to more easily wipe them all out when they had worked to death and killed all the Jews and then worked to death and killed all the Poles.
Honestly, I can't even imagine... But now we know. Its been recorded, and despite the efforts of wingnuts and moonbats and countless others... its been recorded. And knowing this, and the countless other things you brought across time and language will be absolutely for America in the coming future I feel.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:58:00pm |
re: #204 SanFranciscoZionist
You know how it is, it's really popular to hate on Muslims and Arabs in some corners right now.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:58:30pm |
re: #202 freetoken
Not unlike a toenail fungus, it just won't go away:
Levi Johnston to run for Sarah Palin's old job
I wonder - for how many decades will that extended clan be able to keep themselves in the limelight?
I dunno
The Kennedys, Bushs, Gores, Roosevelts etc etc made politics their families lifes work!
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Aceofwhat? Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:59:08pm |
re: #193 Killgore Trout
Yeah, he even tried to sabotage the trip...
I think maybe Foxman is changing his operation to a more anti-muslim format. I think that would be a serious mistake.
his reason didn't even make sense. "best done government to government"? sure...as general policy, maybe...but even if we accept that, why look a gift Muslim in the beard, right?
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freetoken Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:59:09pm |
re: #193 Killgore Trout
I think maybe Foxman is changing his operation to a more anti-muslim format. I think that would be a serious mistake.
Do you think it is possible, as we get farther and farther away from WWII, that organizations like the ADL will need to bring on more issues into their portfolio to keep interest up in membership/donations?
That's not meant to be a damning accusation, but just a possibility that every group eventually has to face.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 4:59:58pm |
re: #205 windsagio
Actually something I forgot on this, its really important.
It's a very anti-imperialist development (for lack of a better term). We used to essentially think everything came out of the ME (fertile crescent) or Greece, and that the rest of the world was barbarians (which we probably DID get from the greeks).
Then we discovered that a ton of stuff we got from China.
And then we discovered that a bunch of people learned things without 'our' help.
So much for the white mans burdon of civilization :)
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freetoken Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:00:02pm |
re: #212 sattv4u2
Gah... in 50 years the seed of Johnston could be Governor of Alaska, eh?
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:00:04pm |
re: #205 windsagio
It's amazing stuff. Our very ideas of history are changing in some ways. The best thing is 'parallel evolution' in technology.
As I remember it, they used to think that a particular thing (say, carbon furnaces) started in one place and spread throughout the world. Now we're starting to see that multiple places developed very similar methods independently.
That's real interesting stuff. I'm biased as hell since this is my major but history will never be boring to me since there's so many stories out there and the fact we live it daily.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:00:49pm |
re: #211 windsagio
You know how it is, it's really popular to hate on Muslims and Arabs in some corners right now.
Ghhhaaaahhh.
And it's hard, because the ADL is up against the groups which demonize and hate on Jews and Israelis, some of whom plug into Arab and Muslims orgs. So it becomes very easy to not make the distinction between 'We will challenge you when you give us grief' and 'We'll join the folks who give you grief'. But so far we were doing pretty damn good.
I'm going to keep a close eye on this.
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Kragar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:01:04pm |
GOD DAMN YOU FUCKING JENNY MCCARTHY
Vaccine refusals are on the rise
Getting inoculated for diseases such as whooping cough and measles used to be a childhood rite of passage that few questioned. Now with shifting parental attitudes about vaccine safety, a growing number of California children are entering kindergarten without shots.
The trend worries public health officials because of the link between immunization rates and infectious outbreaks. As they grapple with the worst whooping cough surge in half a century, they are fighting back with outreach campaigns to promote vaccinations.
The Watchdog Institute, a nonprofit investigative journalism center based at San Diego State University, found that waivers signed by parents who choose to exempt their children from immunizations for kindergarten enrollment have nearly quadrupled since 1990. California allows parents to opt out of some or all shots on the basis of personal beliefs, be it religious objections or distrust of the medical establishment.
The institute’s analysis also revealed that San Diego County’s exemption rate has been consistently higher than the state average over the past two decades.
Congratulations, you've protected your kids from a proven nonexistant condition and left them open to life threatening and debilitating diseases, plus made it more likely it will spread to others.
Fuck you.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:01:20pm |
re: #212 sattv4u2
I dunno
The Kennedys, Bushs, Gores, Roosevelts etc etc made politics their families lifes work!
But...how can I say this?...they had a better pool of candidates.
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Sheila Broflovski Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:01:33pm |
re: #189 SanFranciscoZionist
I wish I had a better grip on this. If Abe Foxman knows something I don't, would he mind telling me?
Abe Foxman should retire before he goes all Helen Thomas.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:02:27pm |
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windsagio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:02:29pm |
re: #219 SanFranciscoZionist
haha you don't know how many times I rewrote the 2 above posts >>
It's hardly unique to the ADL tho', advocacy groups in general tend to start conforming to the beliefs of their most extreme (and thus vocal) members.
We see it all the time in the MRDD community.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:03:12pm |
re: #201 HappyWarrior
Gotta say as a history major who mostly focuses on more modern history, I'm learning a lot about these older civilizations. Thanks guys. Always learn something new every day here.
Don't forget Ethiopia! According to their primary chronicle, their royal line goes back to Solomon & Sheba.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:03:46pm |
re: #224 windsagio
haha you don't know how many times I rewrote the 2 above posts >>
It's hardly unique to the ADL tho', advocacy groups in general tend to start conforming to the beliefs of their most extreme (and thus vocal) members.
We see it all the time in the MRDD community.
Thing is, the ADL is not going gentle into that frightful night. I, and a lot of other American Jews, are going to be kicking and screaming and pulling its hair if things are really headed down the RWR freeway.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:04:00pm |
re: #224 windsagio
haha you don't know how many times I rewrote the 2 above posts >>
It's hardly unique to the ADL tho', advocacy groups in general tend to start conforming to the beliefs of their most extreme (and thus vocal) members.
We see it all the time in the MRDD community.
And what is the MRDD community?
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wrenchwench Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:04:06pm |
re: #203 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
He pins it on Geller, but doesn't name her.
It was only in May of this year that the Rupert Murdoch axis of demagoguery revved up, jettisoning Ingraham’s benign take for a New York Post jihad. The paper’s inspiration was a rabidly anti-Islam blogger best known for claiming that Obama was Malcolm X’s illegitimate son.
There are links in that paragraph that explain what he's alluding to. I hate what the internet has done to some people's writing. They think a link takes the place of one's own exposition. That's part of what's killing newspapers and magazines, they no longer stand on their own. They refer you to the internet for the rest of the story.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:04:09pm |
re: #217 freetoken
Gah... in 50 years the seed of Johnston could be Governor of Alaska, eh?
Stranger things have happened!
(well hello, Governor Terminator,, , husband of the Shriver branch of the Kennedy Tree)
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windsagio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:04:37pm |
re: #228 Walter L. Newton
And what is the MRDD community?
Mental Retardation/Developmental Disabilities.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:05:23pm |
re: #225 elbruce
Don't forget Ethiopia! According to their primary chronicle, their royal line goes back to Solomon & Sheba.
I have two kids from Nigeria and one from Rwanda in my new class.
In the past, i've had Ethiopian and Eritrean kids. It's always really cool to be able to actually show kids that history doesn't cut off some random day in the past, it comes right up to the present, and it'll keep going after we're the culture in the history books.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:05:45pm |
re: #225 elbruce
And looking at the history of Egyptology, it seems that 2 Muslims in 9th Century were able to at least partially understand Hieroglyphics because of the Coptic language's relation to the Ancient Egyptian language. The names are Dhul-Nun al-Misri and Ibn Wahshiyya.
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What, me worry? Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:05:47pm |
re: #175 windsagio
At risk of getting in trouble, that's still not LYING, its just evil delusion >>
He's certainly honest, just crazy.
Well, no, he's not honest. He denies the numbers who died. In fact, the 6 million figure is even higher than that. With the help of righteous gentiles, like Father Patrick Desbois 800 of an estimated 2000 more mass graves have been discovered in the Ukraine alone.
Questioning the numbers is Holocaust denial, or Holocaust lying, but it's the same thing.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:06:06pm |
re: #177 windsagio
I love old, more obscure cultures.
There was some sub-saharan culture that was known for making this truly incredible early ironwork, but for the life of me I can't remember what they were called. If I remember I'll look it up.
BAntu?
Nubian?
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windsagio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:06:35pm |
re: #234 marjoriemoon
It was a light hearted comment. You're right wrong is wrong, but the schizophrenic who sees bugs crawling all over the walls isn't lying for saying there are bugs there.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:06:51pm |
re: #224 windsagio
It's hardly unique to the ADL tho', advocacy groups in general tend to start conforming to the beliefs of their most extreme (and thus vocal) members.
The ACLU does a good job of defending anybody their mission calls for regardless of whether that person is a member of a "side" that likes them or one that doesn't. Their commitment to their principles might be a good model for others to follow.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:06:58pm |
OK, I have to go get some hamburger fixings and get the hell out of Dodge. I'll see some of you later this evening, no doubt.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:07:11pm |
re: #235 reine.de.tout
Yeah apparently it was tied to the bantu expansion. Or spread by it, or something.
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HappyWarrior Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:07:55pm |
re: #202 freetoken
Not unlike a toenail fungus, it just won't go away:
Levi Johnston to run for Sarah Palin's old job
I wonder - for how many decades will that extended clan be able to keep themselves in the limelight?
I can't believe that dude isn't even four months older than my brother. Seriously, that's what I think about when Palin engaged in war of words with him. I think he's a tool personally but Palin really came across as petty and immature arguing with him over the air waves.
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Nimed Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:07:58pm |
re: #212 sattv4u2
I dunno
The Kennedys, Bushs, Gores, Roosevelts etc etc made politics their families lifes work!
Yeah, and it's bad enough when the people you mentioned do it.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:08:26pm |
re: #237 elbruce
Their agenda is a bit harder to twist (imo, I'm sure some others on here would disagree).
My example from MR/DD is the recent pushing of outrage over 'retarded'. Unneccesary, but good red meat.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:08:29pm |
re: #221 SanFranciscoZionist
But...how can I say this?...they had a better pool of candidates.
Yup ,,, Good Ole "Patches" Kennedy is a real gem !!
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
"I have never worked a fucking day in my life",
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windsagio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:09:14pm |
re: #243 sattv4u2
Lol, the Kennedys... Ultimate conservative boogyman.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:10:20pm |
re: #244 windsagio
Lol, the
Kennedys.Bushs'.. Ultimateconservativeprogressive boogyman.
this game is fun,, can we play some more ??
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wrenchwench Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:10:36pm |
re: #238 SanFranciscoZionist
OK, I have to go get some hamburger fixings and get the hell out of Dodge. I'll see some of you later this evening, no doubt.
I'm sure I'm not alone in thinking we at LGF benefit from your shorter commute.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:12:00pm |
re: #245 sattv4u2
It doesn't really work tho, Satt. I've said many times that I really liked the Old man.
Not that it would work ANYWAYS, but still.
There's nothing compared to the freakouts people get at the very mention of the Kennedy's, especially Ted.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:12:06pm |
re: #240 HappyWarrior
I can't believe that dude isn't even four months older than my brother. Seriously, that's what I think about when Palin engaged in war of words with him. I think he's a tool personally but Palin really came across as petty and immature arguing with him over the air waves.
Palin has the same level of rhetorical moderation as many of the teabaggers walking around with posters of Obama as Hitler. Of course she engaged Levi in a public feud. In her mind, it's all about convincing her circle of friends that "he's the one being an asshole" and she's unaware that her circle is now a much wider sphere than it used to be.
Having grown up in a rural area, I've known people like this. If she wasn't a former governor, Sarah Palin would be keying the paint job on Levi's car in retaliation.
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zora Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:12:17pm |
re: #221 SanFranciscoZionist
yes, they graduated from high school for one. no diploma, no ged. how can he run for mayor?
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prairiefire Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:12:27pm |
Lots of Kennedys, Gores, and Roosevelts have served their country.
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freetoken Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:12:34pm |
One sign of running for President - put out a book!
Pawlenty's book, titled 'Courage to Stand,' is due in January
Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty has a title and publication date for his forthcoming book.
"Courage to Stand: An American Story" is scheduled to come out Jan. 11, right after he leaves office. The two-term Republican has said it will cover his reflections on leadership, public service and policy.
A cover photograph on Amazon, where the book is available for pre-order at a penny shy of $27, shows a resolute-looking Pawlenty in bright red backwoods shirt, silhouetted against what might be a Minnesota lake scene.
Pawlenty is exploring a 2012 presidential bid, and releasing a book ahead of such a run has become a routine event for hopefuls.
Hmmm... politician in bright red backwoods shirt with a pasted in natural scene in the background... I could swear I've seen that somewhere before...
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:12:54pm |
re: #240 HappyWarrior
I can't believe that dude isn't even four months older than my brother. Seriously, that's what I think about when Palin engaged in war of words with him. I think he's a tool personally but Palin really came across as petty and immature arguing with him over the air waves.
Oh, and speaking of the Palins...
A video has surfaced showing Sarah and Todd Palin reacting with apparent frustration to a man filming them at Alaska's Valdez airport, with the Palins asking the man to identify himself and taking video and photos of him as he films them.
At one point, Todd Palin, standing in the man's face and apparently taking video of him, asks, "you got a life or what?" He also asks the man, "why are you shaking so bad?"
[Link: www.cbsnews.com...]
John McCain, I still blame your weak ass for this.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:13:36pm |
re: #213 Aceofwhat?
his reason didn't even make sense. "best done government to government"? sure...as general policy, maybe...but even if we accept that, why look a gift Muslim in the beard, right?
Yeah, I didn't understand that either.
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What, me worry? Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:13:37pm |
re: #189 SanFranciscoZionist
I wish I had a better grip on this. If Abe Foxman knows something I don't, would he mind telling me?
Here is the revised statement from the Salon article:
Mr. Foxman and the Anti-Defamation League are not opposed to imams visiting Auschwitz. Indeed, we are delighted a group of imams recently visited two camps in which the Nazis implemented their final solution for the extermination of European Jewry. We are hopeful that through this experience the imams can now help educate Muslims in America and abroad about the horrors of the Holocaust, its lessons for today and the perniciousness of Holocaust denial.
Mr. Foxman raised the question of the appropriateness of the State Department’s special envoy to monitor and combat anti-Semitism to accompany individually and privately sponsored trips. Given that there are many places in the world where anti-Semitism remains a problem, we believe that her leadership role in fighting anti-Semitism is best done government to government.
I think they're back pedaling because of the giant faux-paux in condemning such a thing. This doesn't mean the ADL is rotten. It just means that they're sometimes wrong.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:13:49pm |
re: #247 windsagio
It doesn't really work tho, Satt. I've said many times that I really liked the Old man.
Not that it would work ANYWAYS, but still.
There's nothing compared to the freakouts people get at the very mention of the Kennedy's, especially Ted.
Please don't EVEN try to tell me about the Kennedys
As a person born in the 50's,, as someone who was born and raised in and around Boston,, as someone who spent the better part of the 1st 45 years of my life living in Massachusetts,,,
LOL
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:13:56pm |
re: #249 zora
no diploma, no ged. how can he run for mayor?
Levi seems to announce that he's going to start doing a lot of things and then not follow through (marriage, reality TV, etc). I wouldn't make anything of it.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:15:00pm |
re: #257 elbruce
Levi seems to announce that he's going to start doing a lot of things and then not follow through (marriage, reality TV, etc). I wouldn't make anything of it.
He's probably just doing this to fuck with his future mother-in-law...and yes, he and Bristol will get back together by Xmas. (that's a prediction)
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freetoken Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:15:00pm |
re: #257 elbruce
He's trying to get attention, of course. Kind of like his would-be mother-in-law.
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:15:15pm |
re: #214 freetoken
Do you think it is possible, as we get farther and farther away from WWII, that organizations like the ADL will need to bring on more issues into their portfolio to keep interest up in membership/donations?
That's not meant to be a damning accusation, but just a possibility that every group eventually has to face.
It's a possibility. I almost suspect he's might be thinking he can keep the antisemites like Alex Jones and the Birch Society by keeping the Tea Parties pro-Israel.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:15:27pm |
re: #247 windsagio
and btw ,, way to follow the original conversation,,,and way to ignore that I included both Republican and Democrat political families in my denounciation!
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Daniel Ballard Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:15:34pm |
re: #237 elbruce
The most notable exception would be second amendment advocacy. They either decline or act to oppose it.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:16:36pm |
re: #251 freetoken
Lest we forget, Pawlenty stands on this side:
"To have him be the leader not just of this mosque but to hire him through the State Department and send him around the world on our behalf is ridiculous," Pawlenty told Sean Hannity. "It is quite quite dangerous, quite concerning."
Pandering hateful Pawlenty.
[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]
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windsagio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:16:37pm |
re: #260 Killgore Trout
That's deal with the devil stuff tho'
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windsagio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:17:18pm |
re: #263 Stanley Sea
I just want the GOP to collapse already. Their death throes are killing us.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:17:56pm |
re: #260 Killgore Trout
I almost suspect he's might be thinking he can keep the antisemites like Alex Jones and the Birch Society by keeping the Tea Parties pro-Israel.
Head off anti-Jewish sentiment by supporting anti-Muslim sentiment?
Brilliant! ///
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What, me worry? Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:18:07pm |
re: #236 windsagio
It was a light hearted comment. You're right wrong is wrong, but the schizophrenic who sees bugs crawling all over the walls isn't lying for saying there are bugs there.
You got some problem calling Buchanan a liar?
Buchanan is a seemingly educated, well-traveled person. He doesn't suffer from mental illness. He knows what he says and he's an anti-Semite. That also makes him a liar. Call it like it is.
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:18:51pm |
re: #265 windsagio
The Republicans go the way of the Federalists, and the Democrats split up like the Democratic-Republicans of the 1820's?
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:18:51pm |
re: #257 elbruce
Levi seems to announce that he's going to start doing a lot of things and then not follow through (marriage, reality TV, etc). I wouldn't make anything of it.
I will always bring up, that both he and Bristol received the $$ for their fake reunion.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:19:15pm |
re: #258 darthstar
He's probably just doing this to fuck with his future mother-in-law...and yes, he and Bristol will get back together by Xmas. (that's a prediction)
If the price is right.
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freetoken Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:19:18pm |
re: #263 Stanley Sea
Oh yes, for sure. Pawlenty will go for the Palin voters (even right down to mimicking her ad photos). Sarah the Celeb is unlikely to win the nomination but her block of voters will be important to whomever (Pawlenty, Huckabee) really wants to win.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:19:32pm |
re: #265 windsagio
I just want the GOP to collapse already. Their death throes are killing us.
So you want a one party country,,,
That has always worked so well anywhere it's been tried !
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windsagio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:20:07pm |
re: #267 marjoriemoon
I think he honestly believes what he's saying.
Maybe I"m being pedantic in this, but there's a difference.
Believe me I have no love for the guy, and no desire to defend him.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:20:37pm |
re: #262 Rightwingconspirator
The most notable exception would be second amendment advocacy. They either decline or act to oppose it.
Good point. But they often come to the defense of the religious right, including one instance where the ACLU defended a group's right to protest against the ACLU. Now that's being about as fair-minded as it gets.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:22:05pm |
re: #272 sattv4u2
I'm more hoping a real left party comes up ;)
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ProGunLiberal Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:22:21pm |
re: #272 sattv4u2
Thing is, the Democrats will break up. Their organization is chaotic, I can't imagine them staying together if the Republicans collapse.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:22:29pm |
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:23:34pm |
re: #264 windsagio
That's deal with the devil stuff tho'
I think so. Still, Glenn Beck sounds exactly like Alex Jones with the exception of the anti-Israel stuff. Bubble headed Palin still parrots support for Israel stuff because it's what wingnuts are used to hearing. The Tea Parties have introduced a new element (old element, depending on how you look at it) of Buchanan, Ron Paul and Alex Jones. It would not take much effort to turn the American Right into an anti-Israel/anti-Jew movement. I'm not so sure it can be stopped.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:23:53pm |
Geller and Spencer finally added an update that Gingrich won't be at their rally (they say he agreed to do it), and they put the date "August 19" on it.
Their update was added within the past few hours, today. They can't even help being weasels when they're making an overdue correction.
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freetoken Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:24:16pm |
The Raelians are back!
National Go Topless Day USA Photos Are NSFW (The Aliens Are Watching)
AS you know, Sunday was National Go Topless Day in the US. Woman removed their tops; LA’s leading men removed their toupees; and Jihadis 4 NY removed heads at the shoulders.
The campaign website tells us:
We are a US organization, claiming that women have the same constitutional right to be bare chested in public places as men.
Ban bare chested men in public places!
Maitreya, Rael, spiritual leader and founder of goTopless.org states: “as long as men can be topless, constitutionally women should have the same right, or men should also be forced to wear something hiding their chest.”
Rael… As in the leader of the Raelians? Yes. The very same.
At the age of 27, Claude Vorilhon (now known as “Rael”) was living his passion as a race-car driver and journalist. That was to change on December 13, 1973, when, on his way to work, he had the UFO encounter that transformed his life forever. From that day forward, he has toured the world recounting his astonishing experience in media interviews and conferences.
And he wants you Earth women to get your tits out. It’s what the aliens want. And who are you to argue? Have the probes set to “warmed”. Planet Earth – they have you surrounded and they’re peeping!
Raelians for boobs!
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:24:19pm |
re: #275 windsagio
I'm more hoping a real left party comes up ;)
Maybe Bernie Sanders will revive his Liberty Union Party for you!
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Ojoe Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:24:34pm |
On Wenlock Edge the wood's in trouble;
His forest fleece the Wrekin heaves;
The gale, it plies the saplings double,
And thick on Severn snow the leaves.
'Twould blow like this through holt and hanger
When Uricon the city stood:
'Tis the old wind in the old anger,
But then it threshed another wood.
Then 'twas before my time, the Roman
At yonder heaving hill would stare:
The blood that warms an English yeoman
The thoughts that hurt him, they were there.
There like the wind through woods in riot,
Through him the gale of life blew high;
The tree of man was never quiet
Then 'twas the Roman, now 'tis I.
The gale, it plies the saplings double,
It blows so hard, 'twill soon be gone:
To-day the Roman and his trouble
Are ashes under Uricon
— A. E. Housman (1859 - 1936)
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wrenchwench Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:25:30pm |
re: #260 Killgore Trout
It's a possibility. I almost suspect he's might be thinking he can keep the antisemites like Alex Jones and the Birch Society by keeping the Tea Parties pro-Israel.
I recently read this quote from Reason Mag., Feb. 2008. It's in an article about Luap Nor. One of his fans says:
“That’s a political skill,” Blumel jokes, “triangulating between the sane and the insane and keeping them both on board.”
I believe that is the political philosophy of the Republicans, Libertarians, and a whole lot of scary nuts these days. And it says the guy was joking, but I don't think so.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:25:55pm |
re: #275 windsagio
I'm more hoping a real left party comes up ;)
Oh dear lord no, that would end up looking like a coalition of EarthFirst! and the Animal Liberation Front. Let's keep our extremist moonbats as marginalized as possible.
The Tea Party is actively undermining the GOP, by splitting their side in many races as well as siphoning campaign money and fragmenting organization. Basically America's trying to fly by flapping the only functional wing it's got left. The last thing we need is something like that happening on the Left too.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:26:31pm |
Martin Luther King, Jr. quote:
There is little hope for us until we become toughminded enough to break loose from the shackles of prejudice, half-truths, and downright ignorance. The shape of the world today does not permit us the luxury of softmindedness. A nation or civilization that continues to produce softminded men purchases its own spiritual death on the installment plan.
Appropriate.
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windsagio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:26:48pm |
re: #284 wrenchwench
I think its not a joke to them at all. The GOP has been intentionally feeding the crazies since 1964, at least.
The balancing act is just getting to difficult to hold onto, and its ruining a lot of people's shows.
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Charles Johnson Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:27:24pm |
The most recent Google cache is August 20 -- no update:
[Link: sioaonline.com...]
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:27:40pm |
re: #265 windsagio
I just want the GOP to collapse already. Their death throes are killing us.
I'm a little more worried about what might gurgle up to take its place.
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Ojoe Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:28:27pm |
re: #287 windsagio
The GOP has been intentionally feeding fondling the crazies since 1964, at least.
FIFY
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windsagio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:28:34pm |
re: #289 negativ
Like someone else said, the most likely result would be a Dem split, with the Blue Dogs forming the 'asshole party' or something ;)
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darthstar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:29:27pm |
re: #281 freetoken
The Raelians are back!
National Go Topless Day USA Photos Are NSFW (The Aliens Are Watching)
Ban bare chested men in public places!
Rael… As in the leader of the Raelians? Yes. The very same.
And he wants you Earth women to get your tits out. It’s what the aliens want. And who are you to argue? Have the probes set to “warmed”. Planet Earth – they have you surrounded and they’re peeping!
Raelians for boobs!
Yes...though some people should cover up (safe for work)
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b_sharp Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:29:31pm |
re: #256 sattv4u2
Please don't EVEN try to tell me about the Kennedys
As a person born in the 50's,, as someone who was born and raised in and around Boston,, as someone who spent the better part of the 1st 45 years of my life living in Massachusetts,,,
LOL
Wow, we have our very own Kennedy expert.
When's the book out?
I was born in '55 and I don't remember the Bay of Pigs at all.
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Ojoe Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:29:39pm |
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b_sharp Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:31:12pm |
re: #272 sattv4u2
So you want a one party country,,,
That has always worked so well anywhere it's been tried !
Where did he say that?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:31:31pm |
re: #282 sattv4u2
Maybe Bernie Sanders will revive his Liberty Union Party for you!
Silly Party is most likely an early contender.
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prairiefire Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:31:50pm |
re: #276 ProLifeLiberal
Thing is, the Democrats will break up. Their organization is chaotic, I can't imagine them staying together if the Republicans collapse.
Ri~dick~u~lick
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b_sharp Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:32:25pm |
re: #273 windsagio
I think he honestly believes what he's saying.
Maybe I"m being pedantic in this, but there's a difference.
Believe me I have no love for the guy, and no desire to defend him.
A liar has to know what he is saying is not the truth. If he believes it he isn't lying, but he may be self deluded.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:32:27pm |
"This has nothing to do with small government"... "this is an embarrassment".
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:32:49pm |
What the fuck is going on that Beck and Palin will be at the place of MLK on his I Have a Dream speech anniversary.
WTF?
[Link: www.americanrhetoric.com...]
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windsagio Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:33:41pm |
re: #302 Stanley Sea
OK, thanks a lot, nowI need to go on a 'rage-extinguishing' walk.
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b_sharp Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:34:14pm |
re: #281 freetoken
The Raelians are back!
National Go Topless Day USA Photos Are NSFW (The Aliens Are Watching)
Ban bare chested men in public places!
Rael… As in the leader of the Raelians? Yes. The very same.
And he wants you Earth women to get your tits out. It’s what the aliens want. And who are you to argue? Have the probes set to “warmed”. Planet Earth – they have you surrounded and they’re peeping!
Raelians for boobs!
Sounds good to me.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:34:33pm |
re: #301 Slumbering Behemoth
"This has nothing to do with small government"... "this is an embarrassment".
You are going to be embarrassed.
Yes, and I will remind you of it, don't worry.
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What, me worry? Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:34:52pm |
re: #281 freetoken
The Raelians are back!
National Go Topless Day USA Photos Are NSFW (The Aliens Are Watching)
Ban bare chested men in public places!
Rael… As in the leader of the Raelians? Yes. The very same.
And he wants you Earth women to get your tits out. It’s what the aliens want. And who are you to argue? Have the probes set to “warmed”. Planet Earth – they have you surrounded and they’re peeping!
Hmmm well they are into cloning aren't they?
I say Yea for the Boobies! Why not.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:35:13pm |
re: #303 windsagio
OK, thanks a lot, nowI need to go on a 'rage-extinguishing' walk.
I know, I'm a seeker of pissed offness lately.
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freetoken Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:35:48pm |
re: #302 Stanley Sea
Beck announced this quite some time ago. He put in the request with the Park service to get the permit ahead of any traditionally African-American group that wanted to do a MLK rally there (assuming there might be some.)
Beck just got the permit the other day, so it's full speed ahead...
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:36:02pm |
re: #294 b_sharp
Wow, we have our very own Kennedy expert.
When's the book out?
I was born in '55 and I don't remember the Bay of Pigs at all.
Yup ,, that's exactly what I said, that I'm an "expert" ((not that I may know a tad more about it than someone not from that era nor geography)
'53 here, and I remember being very proud that JFK was elected President because
A) (the obvious) both from Mass.
and
B) both Roman Catholic
It was a big deal to us students at Immaculate Conception Grammar School
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:36:22pm |
(Repost from this morning, for those interested)
re: #478 Walter L. Newton
"LOST" Alert... "LOST" Alert... "LOST" Alert... "LOST" Alert
The producers had promised a "LOST" lost episode on the upcoming season 6 DVD set. Well, you know the internet, someone got a copy and it's gone viral... I find links to certain sites, and then the video is gone... so, this link is still good, but I don't know who long it will be available...
It's 12 minutes long, mostly dedicated to the myth and mysteries, and no so much on character development, there are some questions answered, typical of LOST, more questions are proposed... and I know the producers promised "no sequel," but then again, Disney owns the show, and Disney never said no sequel.
This 12 minute episode screams sequel (well, actually it screams "I'm a prequel". You be the judge.
[Link: www.baberick.com...]
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:38:04pm |
re: #297 b_sharp
Where did he say that?
I just want the GOP to collapse already
leaving ,,???
libertarian, green, and !?!?!?!
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prairiefire Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:38:18pm |
re: #267 marjoriemoon
You got some problem calling Buchanan a liar?
Buchanan is a seemingly educated, well-traveled person. He doesn't suffer from mental illness. He knows what he says and he's an anti-Semite. That also makes him a liar. Call it like it is.
He makes me feel all skeevy now when I see him on the McLaughlin Group.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:39:00pm |
re: #310 Walter L. Newton
(Repost from this morning, for those interested)
I didn't answer you then
I'm not answering you now!!
((oopppsss!!!))
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:39:57pm |
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b_sharp Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:40:07pm |
re: #293 darthstar
Raelians for boobs!
Yes...though some people should cover up (safe for work)
Why is that picture safe for work but the pics of topless women aren't?
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darthstar Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:40:45pm |
re: #315 b_sharp
Why is that picture safe for work but the pics of topless women aren't?
Because it's a dude and he's covered his nipples. :)
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prairiefire Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:40:55pm |
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Racer X Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:41:00pm |
re: #310 Walter L. Newton
Thanks dude. I'm totally burnt out on the mosque issue. Done.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:41:05pm |
re: #309 sattv4u2
Yup ,, that's exactly what I said, that I'm an "expert" ((not that I may know a tad more about it than someone not from that era nor geography)
'53 here, and I remember being very proud that JFK was elected President because
A) (the obvious) both from Mass.
and
B) both Roman CatholicIt was a big deal to us students at Immaculate Conception Grammar School
Ditto for us at St. Francis Cabrini Elementary School.
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Mocking Jay Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:41:24pm |
re: #315 b_sharp
Why is that picture safe for work but the pics of topless women aren't?
Bare boobies can blind you.
Especially if it's cold.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:41:36pm |
re: #316 darthstar
Because it's a dude and he's covered his nipples. :)
There are two words that should not be in the same sentence!
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:41:49pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:41:50pm |
re: #311 sattv4u2
I just want the GOP to collapse already
leaving ,,???
libertarian, green, and !?!?!?!
I've said again and again, the GOP person who stands up to the teabaggers and wedge issuers (be it Mexicans or Muslims or what ever is next) they will succeed.
So far, 0 for 10 or whatever. I'm waiting.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:42:50pm |
re: #301 Slumbering Behemoth
"This has nothing to do with small government"... "this is an embarrassment".
I was with him until he said "re-tweeted".
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prairiefire Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:43:10pm |
re: #321 sattv4u2
There are two words that should not be in the same sentence!
Dudes do get breast cancer.
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webevintage Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:43:15pm |
re: #310 Walter L. Newton
(Repost from this morning, for those interested)
LOST!
"The bears are not your friends"
hahahahahaha
Thank you!
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:43:27pm |
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:43:59pm |
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brownbagj Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:44:11pm |
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elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:44:29pm |
re: #300 b_sharp
If he believes it he isn't lying, but he may be self deluded.
Intentional self-delusion is the highest form of lying. It starts with lying to yourself. How else do you think wingnuts get themselves so tangled into knots of cognitive dissonance?
I'll grant Ron Paul props for ideological self-consistency, but not Pat Buchanan. There's got to be a line drawn somewhere or else we end up praising the KKK.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:45:45pm |
re: #315 b_sharp
Why is that picture safe for work but the pics of topless women aren't?
Because, rightly or wrongly, female breasts scare the living piss out of everyone in the US, including people who own at least one of their own. Male breasts, even when substantially larger and hairier, do not have this effect. I'd file a bug report, but how?
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brownbagj Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:46:43pm |
I would like to say I am against boobies....
but my wife is busy putting the kids to bed.
//
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:47:25pm |
We have that topless day here in Portland every year too. I love this city but the women are not attractive.
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Digital Display Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:48:00pm |
The good news is that it's Monday Night Football
The Bad news is that it's a lousy game with 2 crappy teams
Other than that..It's all good..
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:48:07pm |
re: #327 webevintage
LOST!
"The bears are not your friends"
hahahahahahaThank you!
I've been doing some "research," away from fan sites and more under the industry sort of sites, and it's apparent to me if Disney can make it work, they ain't going to let this franchise just die.
Word I dug up is for now, DVD releases, graphic novels, online content and then working up to a new series and/or movies. Cuse and Lindelof will keep true and be done with it, but there are a lot of show runners working for Disney who will gladly step in.
That extra mini-episode was called "A New Man In Charge." We knew Hurley was left in charge, why the new material... unless... ?
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:49:13pm |
re: #334 Killgore Trout
We have that topless day here in Portland every year too. I love this city but the women are not attractive.
They say the same thing about the men!!
//just sayin!
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b_sharp Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:49:14pm |
re: #309 sattv4u2
Yup ,, that's exactly what I said, that I'm an "expert" ((not that I may know a tad more about it than someone not from that era nor geography)
'53 here, and I remember being very proud that JFK was elected President because
A) (the obvious) both from Mass.
and
B) both Roman CatholicIt was a big deal to us students at Immaculate Conception Grammar School
" Please don't EVEN try to tell me about the Kennedys
As a person born in the 50's,, as someone who was born and raised in and around Boston,, as someone who spent the better part of the 1st 45 years of my life living in Massachusetts,,,
LOL"
"... don't EVEN try to tell me about ..." implies you believe you know more than anyone else - an expert.
"As a person born in the 50's,,..." in conjunction with the above quote implies the time of your birth contributes in some way to your expertise.
"... as someone born and raised in and around ..." implies the sharing of local gives you an insight and contributes to your expertise.
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b_sharp Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:50:27pm |
re: #311 sattv4u2
I just want the GOP to collapse already
leaving ,,???
libertarian, green, and !?!?!?!
The inference that only one party should be left is yours. It was not in what he said.
| 341 |
elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:51:29pm |
I would like reasonable moderate conservatives to come to the forefront of a future GOP.
Just not too soon...
| 342 |
b_sharp Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:52:01pm |
re: #316 darthstar
Because it's a dude and he's covered his nipples. :)
The NSFW tags should be reversed IMHO.
That man was scary ugly. All of the women were beautiful.
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webevintage Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:52:33pm |
re: #336 Walter L. Newton
I've been doing some "research," away from fan sites and more under the industry sort of sites, and it's apparent to me if Disney can make it work, they ain't going to let this franchise just die.
Word I dug up is for now, DVD releases, graphic novels, online content and then working up to a new series and/or movies. Cuse and Lindelof will keep true and be done with it, but there are a lot of show runners working for Disney who will gladly step in.
That extra mini-episode was called "A New Man In Charge." We knew Hurley was left in charge, why the new material... unless... ?
Thanks for the extra info.
That was a very satisfying 12 minutes.
I never needed all the answers answered, I just love those specific characters. Don't want to say more and spoil it for anyone.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:54:08pm |
re: #339 b_sharp
"... don't EVEN try to tell me about ..."implies you believe you know more than anyone else - an expert.
OR ,, perhaps that I know more than the person I was responding too"As a person born in the 50's,,..." in conjunction with the above quote implies the time of your birth contributes in some way to your expertise.
In that I was alive during era, instead of reading second/ third hand accounts ,, why , YES!!
"... as someone born and raised in and around ..." implies the sharing of local gives you an insight and contributes to your expertise.
Again, witness 1st hand. The country knew of the Kennedys staring around 59. They were prominent in Mass well before that, so again ,, YUPP
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b_sharp Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:54:36pm |
re: #332 negativ
Because, rightly or wrongly, female breasts scare the living piss out of everyone in the US, including people who own at least one of their own. Male breasts, even when substantially larger and hairier, do not have this effect. I'd file a bug report, but how?
Raising a bug would certainly be the way to go. Perhaps the next update will be a fix.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:55:20pm |
re: #340 b_sharp
The inference that only one party should be left is yours. It was not in what he said.
Lets see
Right now, there are but two viable parties
One dies (the posters wish) ,, that leaves ,, umnm,,1 ,,, minus 1 ,,, carry the 7,, err,, I come out with ONE!
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Killgore Trout Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:55:37pm |
re: #338 sattv4u2
They say the same thing about the men!!
//just sayin!
At least we're supposed to have beards.
| 349 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:56:41pm |
re: #344 webevintage
Thanks for the extra info.
That was a very satisfying 12 minutes.
I never needed all the answers answered, I just love those specific characters. Don't want to say more and spoil it for anyone.
Here... article actually written BEFORE season six started... Variety, industry paper...
[Link: www.variety.com...]
| 350 |
garhighway Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:57:01pm |
re: #345 sattv4u2
Again, witness 1st hand. The country knew of the Kennedys staring around 59. They were prominent in Mass well before that, so again ,, YUPP
Please tell us of your pre-59 experiences with the Kennedys.
Dying to hear it.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:57:18pm |
re: #348 Killgore Trout
At least we're supposed to have beards.
Wha,,,, you don't like the Au Natural look ??
((I once ,, repeat ,, ONCE ,, dated a woman that come to find out later in the evening did NOT shave her underarms))
| 352 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:57:55pm |
re: #351 sattv4u2
Wha,,, you don't like the Au Natural look ??
((I once ,, repeat ,, ONCE ,, dated a woman that come to find out later in the evening did NOT shave her underarms))
That stopped you?
| 353 |
garhighway Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:58:10pm |
re: #347 sattv4u2
Lets see
Right now, there are but two viable partiesOne dies (the posters wish) ,, that leaves ,, umnm,,1 ,,, minus 1 ,,, carry the 7,, err,, I come out with ONE!
Perhaps the original poster had the imagination to realize another party would emerge.
| 354 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:58:47pm |
re: #341 elbruce
I would like reasonable moderate conservatives to come to the forefront of a future GOP.
Just not too soon...
I'm not interested.
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sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:58:47pm |
re: #350 garhighway
Please tell us of your pre-59 experiences with the Kennedys.
Dying to hear it.
Well,, As a congressman JFK spoke at our school
As a son of two lifelong Dems I saw my parents vote (and stump) for him in the 50's (with yours truly in tow)
| 356 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:59:03pm |
| 357 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:59:33pm |
re: #353 garhighway
Perhaps the original poster had the imagination to realize another party would emerge.
Perhaps they should have included that tidbit of info!
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garhighway Mon, Aug 23, 2010 5:59:45pm |
re: #355 sattv4u2
Well,, As a congressman JFK spoke at our school
As a son of two lifelong Dems I saw my parents vote (and stump) for him in the 50's (with yours truly in tow)
And therefore...?
| 359 |
brownbagj Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:00:03pm |
re: #353 garhighway
Since the OP didn't say either way, I would guess it is ok to make a guess either way.
| 360 |
goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:00:12pm |
re: #355 sattv4u2
Well,, As a congressman JFK spoke at our school
As a son of two lifelong Dems I saw my parents vote (and stump) for him in the 50's (with yours truly in tow)
The horror ...
| 361 |
garhighway Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:00:30pm |
re: #357 sattv4u2
Perhaps they should have included that tidbit of info!
Perhaps he assumed the reader could figure that out.
I did.
| 362 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:00:43pm |
re: #358 garhighway
And therefore...?
You asked for my "pre-59 experiences with the Kennedys."
I answered!
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:01:36pm |
re: #334 Killgore Trout
We have that topless day here in Portland every year too. I love this city but the women are not attractive.
Hm.
I worked at a place once, where the "joke" among the men was:
What do you call a good-lookin' woman at the Dept of __?
Answer: A visitor!
Oh, they loved it - they hooted and howled in glee!
Of course, the flip side of that was:
What do you call an intelligent man at the Dept of ___?
| 365 |
elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:01:38pm |
re: #358 garhighway
And therefore...?
Is there an actual subject to this debate? I seem to be missing it.
| 366 |
brownbagj Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:01:41pm |
re: #360 goddamnedfrank
Did sat say this was bad? I thought is was Teddy he didn't care for. That does not make him unique.
| 367 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:01:58pm |
re: #356 sattv4u2
That,, and the chastity belt
ahh, our missed opportunities. I hate thinking of them. :)
| 368 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:02:09pm |
re: #361 garhighway
Perhaps he assumed the reader could figure that out.
I did.
Well, I ass u me d "he" didn't!
| 370 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:02:37pm |
re: #365 elbruce
Is there an actual subject to this debate? I seem to be missing it.
Mee too ,, and I'm IN it !!
| 371 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:03:12pm |
| 372 |
garhighway Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:03:41pm |
re: #362 sattv4u2
You asked for my "pre-59 experiences with the Kennedys."
I answered!
I'm sorry. I took from the thread that you had some sort of not-commonly-available insight into the Kennedys because of your proximity to them in time and space. I further took that your insight was unfavorable.
If your experience was less meaningful than that, then I misunderstood.
| 373 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:03:54pm |
re: #365 elbruce
Is there an actual subject to this debate? I seem to be missing it.
Debates sometimes happen with no subject whatsoever.
You'll get the hang of it.
hehehehehe.
| 374 |
brownbagj Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:04:41pm |
re: #372 garhighway
With apologies like that, who needs enemies?
| 375 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:04:56pm |
re: #366 brownbagj
Did sat say this was bad? I thought is was Teddy he didn't care for. That does not make him unique.
(((shhhh,,, actually, I never mentioned Teddy,, I DID bring up "Patches" Kennedy! he of the "I've never worked a fucking day in my life"
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
| 376 |
goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:05:00pm |
re: #366 brownbagj
Did sat say this was bad? I thought is was Teddy he didn't care for. That does not make him unique.
Apparently you thought wrong.
re: #256 sattv4u2
Please don't EVEN try to tell me about the Kennedys
As a person born in the 50's,, as someone who was born and raised in and around Boston,, as someone who spent the better part of the 1st 45 years of my life living in Massachusetts,,,
LOL
John spoke at his school, and his parents were fans of his, so don't EVEN get him started on that family! LOL
| 377 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:05:33pm |
| 378 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:06:29pm |
| 379 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:06:59pm |
re: #377 Walter L. Newton
I'm LOST.
MAPS HERE ,,, GET YER MAPS HERE ,,, CAN'T FIND YOUR WAY WITHOUT A MAP!!
| 380 |
brownbagj Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:07:17pm |
re: #376 goddamnedfrank
That does not mean I was wrong. You are assuming facts not in evidence. He did not say seeing these speeches etc was bad.
My understanding is that sat was basically saying that the royal family of the US is not all roses and that some of the criticism is warranted.
And, it was odd to him that since he lived there for 45 years that someone would tell him otherwise.
Is this hard?
| 381 |
Digital Display Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:07:32pm |
re: #362 sattv4u2
You asked for my "pre-59 experiences with the Kennedys."
I answered!
My Dad has a picture of him shaking hands with Kennedy blown up on the wall from sometime in the 60's.. The pride and joy of his life..He to this day doesn't know I'm a moderate Republican cause we never talk about politics in our family...Pop's loves Obama and I actually voted for him.. But we never ever ever talk about politics in our family...I love that pic of dad shaking JFK's hand...
| 382 |
reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:07:33pm |
re: #379 sattv4u2
MAPS HERE ,,, GET YER MAPS HERE ,,, CAN'T FIND YOUR WAY WITHOUT A MAP!!
Satt - have you had a LOT of coffee today?
| 383 |
Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:07:41pm |
re: #372 garhighway
I'm sorry. I took from the thread that you had some sort of not-commonly-available insight into the Kennedys because of your proximity to them in time and space. I further took that your insight was unfavorable.
If your experience was less meaningful than that, then I misunderstood.
And I took from you questions that you kept thinking you have some sort of "gotcha" and it wasn't working out for you, cause sattv4u2 was simply making a general observation that you hyperbolically spun.
| 384 |
prairiefire Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:08:15pm |
I would like to tell the new lizards to grab a pair of goal posts and find a seat. We play skirmish quite a bit.
| 385 |
goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:08:26pm |
re: #378 sattv4u2
Apparently, so did you, as I never once mentioned Teddy
Reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong suit either, as neither did I.
| 386 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:08:41pm |
re: #382 reine.de.tout
Satt - have you had a LOT of coffee today?
WHHYY,,,, DDDDOOOO,,,, YOOOOOUUU,,,, ASSSSKKK,, THTHTHTHTAAAAATTTT?!?!?!
| 388 |
prairiefire Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:09:10pm |
re: #381 HoosierHoops
My Dad has a picture of him shaking hands with Kennedy blown up on the wall from sometime in the 60's.. The pride and joy of his life..He to this day doesn't know I'm a moderate Republican cause we never talk about politics in our family...Pop's loves Obama and I actually voted for him.. But we never ever ever talk about politics in our family...I love that pic of dad shaking JFK's hand...
Your pops loves Obama? That's awesome.
| 389 |
brownbagj Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:09:58pm |
| 390 |
goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:10:09pm |
re: #380 brownbagj
That does not mean I was wrong. You are assuming facts not in evidence. He did not say seeing these speeches etc was bad.
My understanding is that sat was basically saying that the royal family of the US is not all roses and that some of the criticism is warranted.
And, it was odd to him that since he lived there for 45 years that someone would tell him otherwise.
Is this hard?
Royal family of the US? You guys are just too precious for words. Excuse me while I step out and buy an eight of Kush to go along with this ridiculous conversation.
Be back in a bit.
| 391 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:10:15pm |
re: #385 goddamnedfrank
Reading comprehension doesn't seem to be your strong suit either, as neither did I.
You highlighted Teddys name in [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
as if that was the important part
(or do you always highlight unimportant factoids??))
| 392 |
brownbagj Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:11:07pm |
re: #390 goddamnedfrank
Just having fun with you. You are reading into my banter too much.
But, you know the press have called this before. Camelot and all that stuff....
| 393 |
elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:11:16pm |
re: #380 brownbagj
My understanding is that sat was basically saying that the royal family of the US is not all roses and that some of the criticism is warranted.
In the context of the lead-up (regarding the Palins), I took the quote as evidence that for even the most blue-blooded "American royal" family has some pretty low-brow roots if you look back far enough.
So now all we need to do is give registered usernames to both your imagination of what sattv4u2 was implying and my imagination of what sattv4u2 was implying, and we might be able to make some sense of this thread.
| 395 |
brownbagj Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:12:26pm |
re: #393 elbruce
Very nice. I am glad someone came up with something.
| 396 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:20:08pm |
re: #393 elbruce
all we need to do is give registered usernames to both your imagination of what sattv4u2 was implying and my imagination of what sattv4u2 was implying, and we might be able to make some sense of this thread
I can live with
A) satknowsofwhathespeaks
and
B)satdon'tknowbeans
:)
| 397 |
b_sharp Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:27:15pm |
re: #345 sattv4u2
re: #339 b_sharp
"... don't EVEN try to tell me about ..."implies you believe you know more than anyone else - an expert.
OR ,, perhaps that I know more than the person I was responding too
True. But without knowing how much that other person knows, that is quite the conclusion to come to.
"As a person born in the 50's,,..." in conjunction with the above quote implies the time of your birth contributes in some way to your expertise.In that I was alive during era, instead of reading second/ third hand accounts ,, why , YES!!
You were getting information 2nd and 3rd hand unless you spoke to the Kennedys, and at 10 years of age or less your understanding was probably suspect, as would your current memories of the time. The reason I mentioned my age was to point out the unreliability of memories from childhood.
Claiming to have precise and accurate information because you were alive at the time of an event is itself inaccurate. Being alive at the time is not a guarantee of accuracy and can't be used as a validation of an argument because of that.
I'll just leave the rest alone because arguing about how to argue goes nowhere fast.
| 398 |
b_sharp Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:28:52pm |
re: #347 sattv4u2
Lets see
Right now, there are but two viable partiesOne dies (the posters wish) ,, that leaves ,, umnm,,1 ,,, minus 1 ,,, carry the 7,, err,, I come out with ONE!
How about we ask him what he meant?
| 399 |
b_sharp Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:29:39pm |
re: #351 sattv4u2
Wha,,, you don't like the Au Natural look ??
((I once ,, repeat ,, ONCE ,, dated a woman that come to find out later in the evening did NOT shave her underarms))
Shave them for her.
| 400 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:32:45pm |
re: #243 sattv4u2
Yup ,,, Good Ole "Patches" Kennedy is a real gem !!
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
"I have never worked a fucking day in my life",
And here I was being gracious about the Bushes. Serve me right.
| 401 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:33:12pm |
re: #397 b_sharp
Claiming to have precise and accurate information
And I did that ,, WHERE!?!?!
as stated, I said that the poster could tell me nothing about the Kennedys due to the factors I listed
Never stated I was THE authority on them. Just simply (and accurately) due to the timing and place of my birth I had more insight than THAT poster
But keep tying yourself into knots telling me what I DIDN'T say!
| 402 |
sattv4u2 Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:36:49pm |
re: #400 SanFranciscoZionist
And here I was being gracious about the Bushes. Serve me right.
Truth be told, I was (and still am) an admirer of most of the Kennedy clan
(I still mourn the loss of Bobby who would have been the best Kennedy and perhaps THE best POTUS imho)
| 403 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:40:39pm |
re: #255 marjoriemoon
Here is the revised statement from the Salon article:
I think they're back pedaling because of the giant faux-paux in condemning such a thing. This doesn't mean the ADL is rotten. It just means that they're sometimes wrong.
Oh, I figured. Sometimes Abe gets on my last nerve, though.
| 404 |
goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:40:50pm |
re: #391 sattv4u2
You highlighted Teddys name in [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
as if that was the important part
(or do you always highlight unimportant factoids??))
Because that was the part that he (meaning browbagbj) was wrong about. Reading comprehension really isn't your strong suit. Do you follow now or do you need me to draw you a diagram?
| 405 |
elbruce Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:42:29pm |
re: #401 sattv4u2
Never stated I was THE authority on them. Just simply (and accurately) ... I had more insight than THAT poster
You've got no way of knowing that. Nor does he have any way of knowing the same thing the other way around.
But as there was no actual specific claim under dispute to begin with, the whole thing is just loopy.
So let's have each of you send me an essay of at least 5,000 words detailing what you know about the Kennedy's, and I'll check to see who knows more.
| 406 |
SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 23, 2010 6:45:32pm |
re: #283 Ojoe
On Wenlock Edge the wood's in trouble;
His forest fleece the Wrekin heaves;
The gale, it plies the saplings double,
And thick on Severn snow the leaves.'Twould blow like this through holt and hanger
When Uricon the city stood:
'Tis the old wind in the old anger,
But then it threshed another wood.Then 'twas before my time, the Roman
At yonder heaving hill would stare:
The blood that warms an English yeoman
The thoughts that hurt him, they were there.There like the wind through woods in riot,
Through him the gale of life blew high;
The tree of man was never quiet
Then 'twas the Roman, now 'tis I.The gale, it plies the saplings double,
It blows so hard, 'twill soon be gone:
To-day the Roman and his trouble
Are ashes under Uricon— A. E. Housman (1859 - 1936)
There's a display of Roman British artifacts at the British Museum. Part of it is a display of glassware--very pricey stuff, obviously, brought out from Italy for use by high-ranking families.
The information attached to the display mentioned that because of the high social status ascribed to these big glass pieces, they were sometimes used as funeral urns.
At this point, I realize that the rubble at the bottom of one of the big jars is, in fact, the remnants of a cremated Roman.
I felt rather bad about it. The poor man died thousands of miles from home, and is now on display with his sister-in-law's good dinner set. Would it have actually killed them to put the piece that was full of human remains slightly to one side, and give it its own little card?
| 407 |
austin_blue Mon, Aug 23, 2010 7:57:26pm |
re: #240 HappyWarrior
I can't believe that dude isn't even four months older than my brother. Seriously, that's what I think about when Palin engaged in war of words with him. I think he's a tool personally but Palin really came across as petty and immature arguing with him over the air waves.
Wasilla Hillbillies. Stupid is as stupid does.
| 408 |
austin_blue Mon, Aug 23, 2010 7:58:48pm |
re: #251 freetoken
One sign of running for President - put out a book!
Pawlenty's book, titled 'Courage to Stand,' is due in January
Hmmm... politician in bright red backwoods shirt with a pasted in natural scene in the background... I could swear I've seen that somewhere before...
Hahaha! Well played, FT!
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