Cab Driver Stabbed by Passenger Who Asked ‘Are You Muslim?’

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With the bigotry and hatred continuously pouring out of Fox News, right wing websites, and talk radio, it was only a matter of time: Police: Cab Driver Stabbed By Passenger Who Asked ‘Are You Muslim?’

A city cab driver is in the hospital after being stabbed by a passenger who allegedly asked if he was Muslim, police tell NY1.

Investigators with the New York City Police Department say it all began Monday night when a 21-year-old man hailed a cab at 24th Street and Second Avenue in Manhattan.

Police say the passenger asked the driver, “Are you Muslim?” When the driver said yes the passenger pulled a knife and slashed him in the throat, arm and lip.

The 43-year-old driver was able to lock the passenger in the back of the cab and call 911.

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290 comments
1 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:16:06am

Fucking Geller. Fucking Spenser. Fucking Rush.

Oh, just fuck them all.

2 TedStriker  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:16:15am

WTF?!?

*facepalm*

3 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:16:50am

Man Is Held in Anti-Muslim Stabbing of Cabdriver

A law enforcement official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation is ongoing, said Mr. Enright was “very drunk” at the time of the attack.

The police charged Mr. Enright with attempted murder as a hate crime, assault, aggravated harassment and criminal possession of a weapon. He was awaiting arraignment on Wednesday.

4 TedStriker  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:17:44am

re: #1 JasonA

Fucking Geller. Fucking Spenser. Fucking Rush.

Oh, just fuck them all.

Actually, I wouldn't fuck any of them with a 3-meter cattleprod....

They just need to STFU and STFD...seriously.

5 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:18:04am

WCBS/1010wins:

Police arrested Michael Enright Tuesday night on charges including attempted murder as a hate crime. He was expected to appear in court in Manhattan later Wednesday.

Police say the 21-year-old suspect from Brewster, N.Y., was drunk when he hailed the cab on Manhattan’s East Side at Second Avenue and East 24th Street around 6 p.m.

Police say he stabbed the driver about five times with a folding knife after asking ,” Are you Muslim?” Enright then allegedly jumped out a rear window.

An officer found Enright slumped on the sidewalk and arrested him. The driver was treated for multiple lacerations to his throat, right arm, left forearm, thumb and upper lip.
6 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:18:44am

Man Who Allegedly Attacked Taxi Driver Charged With Hate Crimes

The head of the New York Taxi Workers Alliance suggests the attack was provoked by anti-Muslim sentiment surrounding the proposed Islamic cultural center near the World Trade Center.

"This violence is what that bigotry produces,” said Bhairavi Desai of the NY Taxi Workers Alliance. “I think many of us are not shocked, we just feel incredibly enraged that this kind of violence would occur."

7 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:19:11am

"TPM reports that the passenger, a 43 year-old Asian man named Michael Enright, has been charged with “attempted murder two as a hate crime, assault with a weapon as a hate crime, aggravated harassment second degree because of race and religion, and criminal possession of a weapon.”

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]

8 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:19:12am

From the link:

Both the driver and the passenger were taken to Bellevue Hospital.

Someone got their ass kicked, me think.

9 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:19:40am

re: #7 Walter L. Newton

"TPM reports that the passenger, a 43 year-old Asian man named Michael Enright, has been charged with “attempted murder two as a hate crime, assault with a weapon as a hate crime, aggravated harassment second degree because of race and religion, and criminal possession of a weapon.”

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]

Throw the fucking book at him.

10 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:20:04am

Jebus Cripes... nobody and I mean NOBODY had better bring up how we don't need hate crime laws in this thread....

11 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:20:25am

re: #9 JasonA

Throw the fucking book at him.

Hey, Walter, can we borrow some of your books?
/

12 Kragar  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:20:38am

re: #8 Cannadian Club Akbar

From the link:

Both the driver and the passenger were taken to Bellevue Hospital.

Someone got their ass kicked, me think.

Bellevue has an extensive psychiatric ward. Could be holding someone for observation.

13 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:20:40am

re: #9 JasonA

Throw the fucking book at him.

I was simply updating the original story, which said the mane was 21.

14 Samita  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:20:50am

Reminds me of when the idiot killed the Sikh man here in Arizona after 9/11.

People are so blindly stupid.

15 KansasMom  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:21:02am

re: #4 talon_262

Actually, I wouldn't f*ck any of them with a 3-meter cattleprod...

They just need to STFU and STFD...seriously.

F*cking A.

16 darthstar  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:21:18am

re: #3 Killgore Trout

Man Is Held in Anti-Muslim Stabbing of Cabdriver

Hate crime. Well, he won't have to worry about getting "very drunk" for a while now...and I'll bet he's rethinking the wisdom of his actions.

17 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:21:24am

Muslim cab driver slashed by upstate New York man because of his religion, police say

"I feel very sad," Sharif said, according to a statement released by the Taxi Workers Alliance. "I have been here more than 25 years. I have been driving a taxi more than 15 years. All four of my kids were born here."

Sharif, who was slashed in the throat, upper lip, arm and hand, said he believes the battle over the Ground Zero mosque has inflamed anti-Muslim sentiment in America.

"I never feel this hopeless and insecure before," the Queens man said in the statement. "Right now, the public sentiment is very serious (because of the Ground Zero mosque debate). All [taxi] drivers should be more careful."

Enright, of Brewster, was "very, very intoxicated" when he hailed Sharif's yellow cab shortly after 6 p.m. Tuesday, a police source said.

According to the Taxi Workers Alliance, Enright was friendly when he first got into the cab, asking Sharif where he was from, how long had he been in America and whether he was Muslim.

Police confirmed that Enright inquired about Sharif's religion.

18 Michael McBacon  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:21:27am

re: #1 JasonA

Fucking Geller. Fucking Spenser. Fucking Rush.

Oh, just fuck them all.

Have any of them spun this story yet?

19 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:22:10am

re: #9 JasonA

Throw the fucking book at him.

My pitching arm ain't what it used to be but I think this should leave a mark...

20 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:22:18am

Whocuddanode!

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21 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:22:28am

re: #18 UNIXon

Have any of them spun this story yet?

I imagine they'll "denounce" it at some point.

22 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:22:34am

re: #16 darthstar

Hate crime. Well, he won't have to worry about getting "very drunk" for a while now...and I'll bet he's rethinking the wisdom of his actions.

This is why I don't drink. Wait. What?
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23 Kragar  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:22:43am

re: #18 UNIXon

Have any of them spun this story yet?

"LOOK, SOMEONE SET UP AN INCIDENT TO TRY AND MAKE US LOOK BAD!"

24 Kragar  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:23:19am

re: #21 JasonA

I imagine they'll "denounce" it at some point.

They'll make it seem like its a plot to smear their good names.

25 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:24:15am

Hate crime for sure, but is it clear that the 21 year old perp was in any way motivated by the mosque controversy?

26 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:24:53am

re: #25 Spare O'Lake

Hate crime for sure, but is it clear that the 21 year old perp was in any way motivated by the mosque controversy?

...

27 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:24:59am

re: #25 Spare O'Lake

Hate crime for sure, but is it clear that the 21 year old perp was in any way motivated by the mosque controversy?

Why do you think it matters if he was motivated by the mosque controversy or not?

28 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:25:12am

re: #25 Spare O'Lake

Hate crime for sure, but is it clear that the 21 year old perp was in any way motivated by the mosque controversy?

43 year old. See re: #7 Walter L. Newton

29 CuriousLurker  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:25:22am

re: #10 jamesfirecat

Jebus Cripes... nobody and I mean NOBODY had better bring up how we don't need hate crime laws in this thread...

You're bound to hear some of the new right wing talking points:

Islamophobia? Not really

30 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:25:35am

re: #10 jamesfirecat

I'll bite.

Attempted murder is insufficient as a charge, along with all the lesser included charges?

For what it's worth, here's the hate crime statute in NY. If convicted of the hate crime, the crime is deemed one class higher than the level without the hate crime.

Even without the hate crime, he's gotten himself into a world of trouble. And don't doubt for a moment that his lawyers will claim that he didn't know what he was saying and acting when he tried to hail the cab; that he wasn't in command of his faculties.

31 darthstar  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:25:57am

re: #7 Walter L. Newton

"TPM reports that the passenger, a 43 year-old Asian man named Michael Enright, has been charged with “attempted murder two as a hate crime, assault with a weapon as a hate crime, aggravated harassment second degree because of race and religion, and criminal possession of a weapon.”

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]

Enright's not exactly an Asian name...

32 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:26:28am

re: #25 Spare O'Lake

Hate crime for sure, but is it clear that the 21 year old perp was in any way motivated by the mosque controversy?

Not yet but it's probable that he was inspired by the recent anti-Muslim rhetoric surrounding the community center.

33 Stanghazi  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:26:39am

re: #31 darthstar

Enright's not exactly an Asian name...

There's a couple of fact errors going on. The TPM article states that the driver was 43, the passenger 21.

34 deranged cat  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:26:42am

re: #7 Walter L. Newton

"TPM reports that the passenger, a 43 year-old Asian man named Michael Enright, has been charged with “attempted murder two as a hate crime, assault with a weapon as a hate crime, aggravated harassment second degree because of race and religion, and criminal possession of a weapon.”

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]

I dunno.. the other reports are saying the 43 year old was the cab driver.

NY Times:

The passenger, Michael Enright, 21, of Brewster, N.Y., hailed the cab at Second Avenue and East 24th Street around 6 p.m. Tuesday, the police said. Twenty blocks north, they said, he slashed and stabbed the 43-year-old driver in his throat, face and arm.

NY1:

The 43-year-old driver was able to lock the passenger in the back of the cab and call 911.

I think Mediaite mis-reported, because the TPM article says:

According to Detective Marc Nell, at 6:14 pm last night, the driver picked up Michael Enright, 21, of Brewster, NY, at the intersection of 24th Street and 2nd Avenue in Manhattan. The cab proceeded to drive north, and Enright asked the driver, who Nell identified as a 43-year-old Asian male, if he was Muslim. After the driver responded that he was, Enright allegedly stabbed him repeatedly with a Leatherman tool, according to police.

35 deranged cat  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:27:30am

re: #31 darthstar

see my post above
and by "i dunno" i mean "pretty sure the 43 asian was the cab driver"

36 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:27:54am

re: #31 darthstar

Enright's not exactly an Asian name...

Take that up with TPM, not me. I was simply trying to update Charles' entry at the top of this thread.

37 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:28:03am

re: #27 jamesfirecat

Why do you think it matters if he was motivated by the mosque controversy or not?

Because this statement by the victim indicates that it mattered to him:

"Sharif, who was slashed in the throat, upper lip, arm and hand, said he believes the battle over the Ground Zero mosque has inflamed anti-Muslim sentiment in America.

"I never feel this hopeless and insecure before," the Queens man said in the statement. "Right now, the public sentiment is very serious (because of the Ground Zero mosque debate). All [taxi] drivers should be more careful."

38 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:28:39am

re: #36 Walter L. Newton

Take that up with TPM, not me. I was simply trying to update Charles' entry at the top of this thread.

Mediaite misquoted TPM.

39 Stanghazi  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:28:57am

re: #29 CuriousLurker

You're bound to hear some of the new right wing talking points:

Islamophobia? Not really

Good ole Jonah Goldberg. The sage of our times.

40 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:28:58am

re: #38 JasonA

Mediaite misquoted TPM.

That's apparent now.

41 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:29:35am

re: #30 lawhawk

I'll bite.

Attempted murder is insufficient as a charge, along with all the lesser included charges?

For what it's worth, here's the hate crime statute in NY. If convicted of the hate crime, the crime is deemed one class higher than the level without the hate crime.

Even without the hate crime, he's gotten himself into a world of trouble. And don't doubt for a moment that his lawyers will claim that he didn't know what he was saying and acting when he tried to hail the cab; that he wasn't in command of his faculties.

Since you're the law hawk can you explain something to me that I've heard said a few times related to this particular (Hate Crime) debate.

I've heard it said that Hate Crimes are a "federal crime" which evidently means that they're tried by people from a different jury/different jury pool than regular crimes...

Is this true, yes, no, maybe so?

42 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:29:39am

re: #35 deranged cat

see my post above
and by "i dunno" i mean "pretty sure the 43 asian was the cab driver"

Has to be, unless he started driving at 6.

43 Eclectic Infidel  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:30:42am

re: #18 UNIXon

Have any of them spun this story yet?

If they do, I suspect they'll use the "very, very drunk" characteristic as an excuse.

44 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:32:00am

re: #37 Spare O'Lake

Because this statement by the victim indicates that it mattered to him:

So if he was wrong and this was ordinary anti-Muslim bigotry does that change ANYTHING important or should we all shame and loo down on this poor cab driver for believing that correlation implied causation?

45 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:32:32am

re: #29 CuriousLurker

You're bound to hear some of the new right wing talking points:

Islamophobia? Not really

He went all the way. Obama is the bigot. The last sentence:

When, pray tell, will Time magazine devote an issue to its, and this administration's, intolerance of the American people?
46 Nick Schroeder  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:32:44am

This will surely help us in the fight against religious extremists.

*sigh*

Why are people so stupid?

47 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:33:02am

SAJS
Sudden Anti Jihad Syndrome

/drunkenness my ass

48 Gus  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:33:11am

re: #39 Stanley Sea

Good ole Jonah Goldberg. The sage of our times.

Jonah Goldberg: a waste of bandwidth.

49 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:33:27am

re: #45 wrenchwench

He went all the way. Obama is the bigot. The last sentence:

Is this a "deep-seated hatred of white culture" moment?

50 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:33:46am

re: #41 jamesfirecat

I'd never heard of that, but it's something I could look into.

51 McSpiff  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:33:49am

Apparently we invaded Afghanistan for the oil! see last thread for all the details.

52 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:34:07am

re: #43 eclectic infidel

If they do, I suspect they'll use the "very, very drunk" characteristic as an excuse.

Guess how well that worked out for Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson....

53 webevintage  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:35:18am

Of course no one could have predicted this at all....
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54 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:36:28am

re: #32 Killgore Trout

Not yet but it's probable that he was inspired by the recent anti-Muslim rhetoric surrounding the community center.

Perhaps, but were there no whacko Muslim-hating bigots in NYC before the mosque hype? The perp was a 21 year old Asian - maybe he had some imported hate from overseas. I suggest waiting for some more facts to surface before rushing to judgment.

55 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:36:31am

re: #50 lawhawk

I'd never heard of that, but it's something I could look into.

Thank you.

Because one of the main defenses of hate crime legislation I've heard is that for example if some people do something in some place where a local jury would be tempted to look the other way because the victim "had it coming" because of their "sinful ways" we can get them in front of a more cosmopolitan jury, and find out exactly how "bleeding heart" some "big city liberals" can be....

And I want to know if its true or not...

56 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:37:20am

This shit is so toxic.

57 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:38:25am

re: #54 Spare O'Lake

The perp was a 21 year old Asian - maybe he had some imported hate from overseas.


Wrong.

58 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:38:35am

re: #54 Spare O'Lake

Perhaps, but were there no whacko Muslim-hating bigots in NYC before the mosque hype? The perp was a 21 year old Asian - maybe he had some imported hate from overseas. I suggest waiting for some more facts to surface before rushing to judgment.

Judgment on what exactly?

That this guy was an anti-Muslim bigot?

That the people who don't like the Park 51 project are sometimes inspired by anti-Muslim bigotry?

That the anti-Mosque protests are likely to achieve nothing but further engendering America's anti-Muslim issues?

What are we being premature in our judgment about exactly?

59 [deleted]  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:38:37am
60 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:38:57am

re: #55 jamesfirecat

Thank you.

Because one of the main defenses of hate crime legislation I've heard is that for example if some people do something in some place where a local jury would be tempted to look the other way because the victim "had it coming" because of their "sinful ways" we can get them in front of a more cosmopolitan jury, and find out exactly how "bleeding heart" some "big city liberals" can be...

And I want to know if its true or not...

Why no just say rednecks and cut out all the BS?

61 _RememberTonyC  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:39:22am

Kudos to the First Lady for taking a courageous stand against the mistreatment of a muslim woman ...

[Link: www.bloomberg.com...]

62 Stanghazi  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:39:24am

re: #57 Killgore Trout

Wrong.

Man, the pushback always blows my mind.

63 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:39:33am

re: #44 jamesfirecat

So if he was wrong and this was ordinary anti-Muslim bigotry does that change ANYTHING important or should we all shame and loo down on this poor cab driver for believing that correlation implied causation?

"Shame and loo down" - what does that mean and what on earth are you talking about?
And of course it matters BIG TIME if the perp was motivated by the mosque controversy.

64 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:39:39am

re: #60 Cannadian Club Akbar

Why no just say rednecks and cut out all the BS?

No= Not, pimf

65 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:39:59am

re: #58 jamesfirecat

Judgment on what exactly?

That this guy was an anti-Muslim bigot?

That the people who don't like the Park 51 project are sometimes inspired by anti-Muslim bigotry?

That the anti-Mosque protests are likely to achieve nothing but further engendering America's anti-Muslim issues?

What are we being premature in our judgment about exactly?

Relax. He's just grasping to defend the anti-mosque bigotry.

66 Gus  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:40:11am

re: #54 Spare O'Lake

Perhaps, but were there no whacko Muslim-hating bigots in NYC before the mosque hype? The perp was a 21 year old Asian - maybe he had some imported hate from overseas. I suggest waiting for some more facts to surface before rushing to judgment.

With a name like Michael Enright? Imported hate from overseas? Michael Enright isn't even close of being an Asian name. That would have to involved a rather long and complicated conspiracy to have someone named Michael Enright living in Brewster, NY having come from some part of Asia.

67 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:40:24am

re: #50 lawhawk

I'd never heard of that, but it's something I could look into.

"Hate Crime" threads often confuse actual hate-crime provisions with the actions of the Federal Gov in pursuing Civil Rights violations after jurisdictions blew off cases during the Freedom March era. Not the same thing.

68 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:40:57am

re: #55 jamesfirecat

Oh, I think I know what you're referring to - are you referring to a situation when a crime is committed in a jurisdiction and the perpetrator gets off on the original criminal charges? If that's the case, the feds can then be persuaded to get involved and prosecute on federal civil rights or hate crimes statutes to convict.

69 Soap_Man  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:41:20am

A few weeks back, my friend (of Arab descent and a second generation American) was harassed by a couple of guys at the bus stop. According to him, this is how the conversation went (This is after they spent a few minutes arguing about the Cubs):

Drunk Guy coming back from a Cubs game: Are you a Muslim?
Friend: None of your business.
Guy: It is my business.
Friend: I'm not a Muslim. I'm an atheist.
Guy: Fucking liar.

A shouting match then ensued, then a shoving match. No punches were thrown, but he was mad for days.

Not the same as being stabbed in the neck, I know, but he is often met with not-so-subtle hostility.

70 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:41:50am

re: #58 jamesfirecat

Judgment on what exactly?

That this guy was an anti-Muslim bigot?

That the people who don't like the Park 51 project are sometimes inspired by anti-Muslim bigotry?

That the anti-Mosque protests are likely to achieve nothing but further engendering America's anti-Muslim issues?

What are we being premature in our judgment about exactly?

That the perp was probably motivated by the mosque controversy.

71 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:41:58am

re: #67 Decatur Deb

Yeah, after reading james' response, that's what I think he was referring to as well..

72 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:42:27am

re: #69 Soap_Man

This is all making me so sad.

73 darthstar  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:42:45am

re: #54 Spare O'Lake

Perhaps, but were there no whacko Muslim-hating bigots in NYC before the mosque hype? The perp was a 21 year old Asian - maybe he had some imported hate from overseas. I suggest waiting for some more facts to surface before rushing to judgment.

It's assholes who spread lies like this that makes having a reasonable discussion almost impossible. The perp wasn't Asian. There was a misquoted article above, which has been pointed out already, yet while claiming we should "wait for some more facts" you jump on the thought that the guy with the Scottish name was Asian?

74 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:43:12am

re: #69 Soap_Man

A Sikh friend of mine actually made handouts after 9/11 to explain to people what a Sikh was, and handed them to anyone who started getting stroppy with him.

I think this will get worse before it gets better. We have a long history, in this country, of assholes burning down black churches and attack synagogues.

75 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:43:12am

re: #63 Spare O'Lake

"Shame and loo down" - what does that mean and what on earth are you talking about?
And of course it matters BIG TIME if the perp was motivated by the mosque controversy.

Shame and look down"

I forgot the "K" so sue me.

Please explain to me exactly how it matters "BIG TIME" if the perp was motivated by the mosque controversy or not.

If he was, does that mean all the people who were against Park 51 will realize they've been playing for the wrong team, pack it up and go home?

76 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:43:32am

re: #70 Spare O'Lake

That the perp was probably motivated by the mosque controversy.

Yeah. We have people stabbing cabbies because they're Muslim all the time here.

77 Cato the Elder  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:43:50am

Just another anti-jihadist who doesn't really hate Muslims (except when he's drunk).

I bet Geller bails him about and buys him a drink. In bed.

78 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:44:15am

re: #73 darthstar

79 lawhawk  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:44:23am

re: #54 Spare O'Lake

I think you're basing your view of the incident on faulty information from a flawed article that mixed up key details of the assault - namely the age and ethnicity of the person who was accused of the assault/attempted murder.

Not that the age or ethnicity should matter - the guy assaulted the cabbie allegedly because the cabbie identified himself as a Muslim. That is the key detail here.

80 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:44:33am

Comments from Fox News...

Somebody needs to give this passenger the civilian medal of honor!


...

Good; them dirty no loving america muslims need to go back to afruica and take obama with them. Vote republican!!!


...

81 deranged cat  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:44:46am

just to get the story straight:
43 year old asian cab driver
who was stabbed by
21 year old passenger named Michael Enright.

82 Stanghazi  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:45:08am

re: #78 Varek Raith

You are fast.

lol

83 Gus  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:45:09am

re: #80 Killgore Trout

Comments from Fox News...

...
...

Afruica?

84 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:45:22am

re: #80 Killgore Trout

Christ. The overwhelming ignorance.

85 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:45:49am

Yeah, we had this here, too.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Shame on Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer and all of these modern day versions of Julius Streicher! Shame them into the ground!

86 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:46:02am

re: #83 Gus 802

I'm guessing that one is a troll. But not the first one.

87 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:46:02am

re: #68 lawhawk

Oh, I think I know what you're referring to - are you referring to a situation when a crime is committed in a jurisdiction and the perpetrator gets off on the original criminal charges? If that's the case, the feds can then be persuaded to get involved and prosecute on federal civil rights or hate crimes statutes to convict.

Okay then, thanks for clearing that up.

So hate crimes are useful/a horrible thing (depending upon where you stand on them) because they help get around the Double Jeopardy issue of charging someone who has just been found not guilty of murder/assault/whatever conventional crime...

88 Gus  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:46:29am

re: #86 Obdicut

I'm guessing that one is a troll. But not the first one.

Yeah, probably. Considering he said "vote republican!".

89 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:46:35am

re: #76 JasonA

Yeah. We have people stabbing cabbies because they're Muslim all the time here.

I know ya meant that as sarcasm, but I wouldn't put it past the anti-Muslim crowd to argue that that's exactly what this was: Another "random" attack on a cabbie.

90 TedStriker  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:46:47am

re: #83 Gus 802

Afruica?

Maybe it's like Fruitopia...

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91 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:46:59am
92 deranged cat  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:47:42am

re: #91 Killgore Trout

you're too fast! :P

The victim of the apparent hate crime stabbing over night has released a statement. The victim's name is Ahmed Sharif, 43, of Queens.

"I feel very sad," Sharif said, in a statement released by the Taxi Workers Alliance. "I have been here more than 25 years. I have been driving a taxi more than 15 years. All four of my kids were born here."

Read the full statement here.

93 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:47:47am

The right wing blogs are all in that pre-talking point phase right now -- they're all ignoring it until someone figures out the right way to spin it, at which point they will all start rotating at high speed, reciting the talking point like idiot parrots.

If I sound disgusted with the right wing blogosphere, it's because they're disgusting.

94 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:47:54am

re: #66 Gus 802

With a name like Michael Enright? Imported hate from overseas? Michael Enright isn't even close of being an Asian name. That would have to involved a rather long and complicated conspiracy to have someone named Michael Enright living in Brewster, NY having come from some part of Asia.

Seems strange for an Asian to have a name like that to me too, but I read it somewhere upthread.

95 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:48:22am

re: #87 jamesfirecat

Hate crimes also exist on the state level, though. The purpose of hate crime legislation is to criminalize the attempt to intimidate and coerce an entire group of people through a crime. To me, that is reasonable. It is demonstrably different to burn a cross on someone's lawn than it is to set fire to a bunch of cardboard in someone's yard.

Especially if that person is black, Jewish, or Catholic.

96 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:49:01am

re: #91 Killgore Trout

There, at about 6:15pm at Third Avenue between 40th and 41st Streets, he yelled, "Assalamu Alaikum. Consider this a checkpoint," and then slashed Mr. Sharif across the neck. As Mr. Sharif went to knock the knife out, the perpetrator, continuing to scream loudly, cut the taxi driver in the face (from nose to upper lip), arm and hand.

97 Soap_Man  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:49:13am

re: #74 Obdicut

A Sikh friend of mine actually made handouts after 9/11 to explain to people what a Sikh was, and handed them to anyone who started getting stroppy with him.

I think this will get worse before it gets better. We have a long history, in this country, of assholes burning down black churches and attack synagogues.

There was two Arab Christians (a sister and a brother, I think) in my college math class. After 9/11, they had to frantically explain to everyone that they weren't Muslim.

The next time we had class (the 13th), they looked terrified.

98 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:49:22am

re: #93 Charles

The right wing blogs are all in that pre-talking point phase right now -- they're all ignoring it until someone figures out the right way to spin it, at which point they will all start rotating at high speed, reciting the talking point like idiot parrots.

If I sound disgusted with the right wing blogosphere, it's because they're disgusting.

The usual way is to default to the "Our hate is rational" position. If the attacker in this case didn't have his mother and daughter murdered by Al-Qaeda, they will simply claim he was an irrational nut and his irrational hate was not the rational kind of hate they claim to champion.

99 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:49:32am

re: #94 Spare O'Lake

Seems strange for an Asian to have a name like that to me too, but I read it somewhere upthread.

Quit being stupid.

100 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:49:37am

re: #93 Charles

The right wing blogs are all in that pre-talking point phase right now -- they're all ignoring it until someone figures out the right way to spin it, at which point they will all start rotating at high speed, reciting the talking point like idiot parrots.

If I sound disgusted with the right wing blogosphere, it's because they're disgusting.

"The cab driver called me an infidel". That should help them.

101 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:49:41am

re: #73 darthstar

It's assholes who spread lies like this that makes having a reasonable discussion almost impossible. The perp wasn't Asian. There was a misquoted article above, which has been pointed out already, yet while claiming we should "wait for some more facts" you jump on the thought that the guy with the Scottish name was Asian?

///Sadly "Asian Scottish" fails to bring up the picture of a guy doing Karaoke while playing a bag pipe....

102 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:49:52am

re: #80 Killgore Trout

Did they delete those comments? There only seems to be one comment there now.

103 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:50:00am

re: #75 jamesfirecat

Shame and look down"

I forgot the "K" so sue me.

Please explain to me exactly how it matters "BIG TIME" if the perp was motivated by the mosque controversy or not.

If he was, does that mean all the people who were against Park 51 will realize they've been playing for the wrong team, pack it up and go home?

Some of the casual bigotry may stop.

104 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:50:05am

re: #97 Soap_Man

There was two Arab Christians (a sister and a brother, I think) in my college math class. After 9/11, they had to frantically explain to everyone that they weren't Muslim.

The next time we had class (the 13th), they looked terrified.

My Baha'i cousin-in-law and his wife get the full treatment just about every time they fly. Given the treatment of the Baha'i by Iran, it's ironic.

105 brownbagj  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:50:14am

At some point, I would predict that all of us are going to be a personal witness to some sort of bigotry happening right in front of us (literally).

I hope I have the strength to stand up for the person being assaulted. I have before in my past and I wish to not have to again.

But it will happen if things continue to boil. And, good people will need to stand up against acts such as this - as the act is happening.

106 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:50:15am

re: #87 jamesfirecat

Okay then, thanks for clearing that up.

So hate crimes are useful/a horrible thing (depending upon where you stand on them) because they help get around the Double Jeopardy issue of charging someone who has just been found not guilty of murder/assault/whatever conventional crime...

I think it's the opposite, James. Hate-crime provisions are a part of the original charges when they seem warranted. Charging a Klansman with a Civil Rights violation after he walks on murder is the use of the Federal CR charges.

107 Gus  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:50:38am

Methinks Ahmed H. Sharif is the "Asian". Looking around now and that name is found in India. Specifically then it would be South Asia.

108 darthstar  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:51:05am

re: #102 Charles

Did they delete those comments? There only seems to be one comment there now.

When even Fox is doing damage control, then you know the right wing is at a loss for words.

109 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:51:15am

(weird electronic noise)

So it begins.

B5 fans will get this. ;)

110 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:51:16am

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Quit being stupid.

He can't help it. He desperately needs for this to not be connected to the 24/7 hate machine that's been fed by Mega-Mosque opponents.

111 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:51:31am

re: #102 Charles

Did they delete those comments? There only seems to be one comment there now.

They are still showing up for me.

112 KansasMom  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:52:10am

Sadly, you can bet there will be people cheering this.
I bet people already are on news site comment threads. I just don't have the stomach to look at the moment.

113 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:52:19am

re: #98 000G

The usual way is to default to the "Our hate is rational" position. If the attacker in this case didn't have his mother and daughter murdered by Al-Qaeda, they will simply claim he was an irrational nut and his irrational hate was not the rational kind of hate they claim to champion.

Yep. First they'll try the "This guy was physically/emotionally scarred by 9/11, just as we all are!"

When that fails, they'll look to see if he had family or knew somebody killed on 9/11, then go "He was personally connected to this tragedy, of course it's gonna cause him to hate!"

And when that fails, the good ol' standby of "It's NYC, cabbies get attacked all the time! What does this have to do with anything?"

114 Interesting Times  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:52:28am

re: #111 Killgore Trout

Suggest taking a screenshot if you haven't already.

115 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:53:06am

re: #111 Killgore Trout

They are still showing up for me.

Ah, there they are. Had to sort by "Oldest" to see them.

116 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:53:08am

re: #112 KansasMom

Sadly, you can bet there will be people cheering this.
I bet people already are on news site comment threads. I just don't have the stomach to look at the moment.

I'm less worried about them than I am the people who will be trying to spin this but should know better. Those people enable the cheerleaders.

117 Stanghazi  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:53:34am

re: #96 Killgore Trout

Like this statement from the NYTWA:

"While a minority of has-been politicians spew ignorance and fear, it's the working person on the street who has to face the consequences," said NYTWA Executive Director Bhairavi Desai. "This kind of bigotry only breeds more violence and makes taxi drivers all the more vulnerable on the streets where there are no bully pulpits or podiums to hide behind." The US Department of Labor reports taxi drivers to be thirty times more likely to be killed on the job than other workers.

Spot on. And yes, the supporters of the bigots are furiously working right now, planning their spin.

118 deranged cat  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:53:38am

re: #80 Killgore Trout

re: #102 Charles

shouldve taken screen shots!
right now the only comment on there is "amazing nobody has commented on this."
but the comments button has a 6 next to it, so i'm gonna guess that they were deleted.

119 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:53:39am

re: #103 Spare O'Lake

Some of the casual bigotry may stop.

I wonder how many people decided to become Pro-Choice because of Scott Roeder?

(Half Sarcasm)

120 Gus  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:53:40am

From the NY Times:

The driver, identified by the New York Taxi Workers Alliance as Ahmed H. Sharif, 43, stopped the cab and approached a police officer on Third Avenue near 42nd Street. Mr. Enright was arrested at the scene.

According to the taxi workers alliance, Mr. Sharif’s fare started out the ride asking him in a friendly way if he was Muslim, whether he was observing Ramadan, and how long he had been in the United States.

After falling silent for a few minutes, the passenger began cursing and screaming, and then yelled, “Assalamu Alaikum. Consider this a checkpoint,” and slashed Mr. Sharif across the neck, then on the face from his nose to his upper lip, the alliance said.

[Link: cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com...]

121 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:54:03am

re: #113 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds


And when that fails, the good ol' standby of "It's NYC, cabbies get attacked all the time! What does this have to do with anything?"

I think you were actually channeling Rush there.

122 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:54:09am

re: #79 lawhawk

I think you're basing your view of the incident on faulty information from a flawed article that mixed up key details of the assault - namely the age and ethnicity of the person who was accused of the assault/attempted murder.

Not that the age or ethnicity should matter - the guy assaulted the cabbie allegedly because the cabbie identified himself as a Muslim. That is the key detail here.

That was my first comment on this matter i.e. that it was a hate crime for sure. Having said that, I do think it will turn out to be extremely important if it turns out that the perp was motivated by the mosque controversy.

123 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:54:54am

re: #121 JasonA

I think you were actually channeling Rush there.

Is that why I suddenly feel like a bloated sack of shit? I just figured it was the pizza I had for lunch.

124 deranged cat  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:55:00am

re: #115 Charles

Ah, there they are. Had to sort by "Oldest" to see them.

Ah. there they are.

125 brownbagj  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:55:24am

re: #123 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

No, it was the gold microphone shoved up your ass.

126 brownbagj  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:55:43am

Forgot //.

127 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:55:45am

re: #123 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Is that why I suddenly feel like a bloated sack of shit? I just figured it was the pizza I had for lunch.

The oxycontin'll make that feeling go away.

128 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:55:56am

re: #99 Killgore Trout

Quit being stupid.

You're the one jumping to conclusions about the perp's motivation, not me.

129 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:56:24am

re: #127 JasonA

The oxycontin'll make that feeling go away.

Yes, because nothing clears the head quite like being comfortably numb.

130 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:56:24am

This is a bit off topic, but I thought I'd share anyway. Ramadan is going on right now, and I'm amazed by the millions who fast all day in this heat and work outside.

131 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:56:52am

re: #128 Spare O'Lake

The driver, identified by the New York Taxi Workers Alliance as Ahmed H. Sharif, 43, stopped the cab and approached a police officer on Third Avenue near 42nd Street. Mr. Enright was arrested at the scene.

According to the taxi workers alliance, Mr. Sharif’s fare started out the ride asking him in a friendly way if he was Muslim, whether he was observing Ramadan, and how long he had been in the United States.

After falling silent for a few minutes, the passenger began cursing and screaming, and then yelled, “Assalamu Alaikum. Consider this a checkpoint,” and slashed Mr. Sharif across the neck, then on the face from his nose to his upper lip, the alliance said.

132 Gus  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:57:16am

re: #128 Spare O'Lake

You're the one jumping to conclusions about the perp's motivation, not me.

Yeah, he probably did it because the cab driver was wearing a green shirt and he hates green shirts.

After falling silent for a few minutes, the passenger began cursing and screaming, and then yelled, “Assalamu Alaikum. Consider this a checkpoint,” and slashed Mr. Sharif across the neck, then on the face from his nose to his upper lip, the alliance said.

133 darthstar  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:57:24am

re: #122 Spare O'Lake

That was my first comment on this matter i.e. that it was a hate crime for sure. Having said that, I do think it will turn out to be extremely important if it turns out that the perp was motivated by the mosque controversy.


I'm sure it's just a coincidence, Sparrow. Sheesh.
/

134 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:57:45am

re: #128 Spare O'Lake

You're the one jumping to conclusions about the perp's motivation, not me.

His motivation was that he hates Muslims.

135 Stanghazi  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:57:55am

re: #120 Gus 802

Assalamu Alaikum

If the perp said this, he's pretty involved in the issue somehow. I certainly didn't know that phrase off the top of my head.

136 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:58:37am

re: #135 Stanley Sea

Assalamu Alaikum

If the perp said this, he's pretty involved in the issue somehow. I certainly didn't know that phrase off the top of my head.

Nah, that's pretty well known, actually.

137 CuriousLurker  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:58:38am

I wonder if the SIOA anti-mosque signs have gone up on the buses yet. Anyone know?

138 brownbagj  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:59:09am

re: #135 Stanley Sea

Good point. I don't see many "people on the street" just being able to use that on a whim or as a guess.

139 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:59:09am

re: #102 Charles

Did they delete those comments? There only seems to be one comment there now.

Screenshots:

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140 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:59:26am

What the hell does 'Assalamu Alaikum' mean?

141 brownbagj  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:59:37am

re: #136 JasonA

Well, I am an idiot. :)

142 Stanghazi  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:59:54am

re: #136 JasonA

Nah, that's pretty well known, actually.

I live in a box. LGF is my sunlight I guess.

143 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:00:06am

re: #137 CuriousLurker

I wonder if the SIOA anti-mosque signs have gone up on the buses yet. Anyone know?

Good question.

I also wonder if anyone still thinks this is a fantastic idea...
Taxi ads stir controversy

Geller's latest campaign against "Islamization" has appeared in ads this summer on top of 25 Chicago cabs.
144 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:00:24am

re: #91 Killgore Trout

Full statement from the driver:NY Cab Driver Allegedly Stabbed For Being Muslim: 'I Feel Very Sad'

From that link:

"While a minority of has-been politicians spew ignorance and fear, it's the working person on the street who has to face the consequences," said NYTWA Executive Director Bhairavi Desai. "This kind of bigotry only breeds more violence and makes taxi drivers all the more vulnerable on the streets where there are no bully pulpits or podiums to hide behind." The US Department of Labor reports taxi drivers to be thirty times more likely to be killed on the job than other workers.

I might add "websites" to that bolded part.

145 Soap_Man  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:00:27am

re: #136 JasonA

Nah, that's pretty well known, actually.

I've never heard it before either.

146 Donna Ballard  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:00:29am

*face palm, shakes head and sighs in disgust* The bottom of the gene pool rears its ugly head and ruins the day for thousands of Good Christians.

*sigh*GoodMorning Lizardom, I won't wish you all a "Happy Wednesday" because its a sad day for me when idiots like that are doing such moronic things I wish I hadn't gotten out of be this morning.*sigh* :( What is this world coming to? And friends ask me why I don't have any children... So Sad.

147 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:01:00am

re: #104 EmmmieG

My Baha'i cousin-in-law and his wife get the full treatment just about every time they fly. Given the treatment of the Baha'i by Iran, it's ironic.

Now remembering an old favorite song of mine.

148 zora  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:01:21am

re: #140 NJDhockeyfan

What the hell does 'Assalamu Alaikum' mean?

ironically it is a greeting of peace. "peace be upon you" iirc.

149 KansasMom  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:01:21am

re: #140 NJDhockeyfan

What the hell does 'Assalamu Alaikum' mean?

May peace be upon you. Muslims greet each other with this instead of 'hello'.

150 darthstar  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:01:30am

re: #140 NJDhockeyfan

What the hell does 'Assalamu Alaikum' mean?

Peace.

151 TedStriker  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:01:30am

re: #140 NJDhockeyfan

What the hell does 'Assalamu Alaikum' mean?

As-Salamu Alaykum: Peace be upon you

A little ironic in this case, however...

152 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:01:33am

Huh. I thought that Assalamu alaikum was more well known as a Muslim greeting. *shrugs*

153 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:01:36am

re: #132 Gus 802

Yeah, he probably did it because the cab driver was wearing a green shirt and he hates green shirts.

After falling silent for a few minutes, the passenger began cursing and screaming, and then yelled, “Assalamu Alaikum. Consider this a checkpoint,” and slashed Mr. Sharif across the neck, then on the face from his nose to his upper lip, the alliance said.

Gus, why do you keep trying to undo my consistently expressed view that this was an anti-Muslim hate crime? The only question in my mind is whether the mosque controversy motivated the attack or not.

154 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:01:39am

re: #146 Dragon_Lady

*face palm, shakes head and sighs in disgust* The bottom of the gene pool rears its ugly head and ruins the day for thousands of Good Christians.

*sigh*GoodMorning Lizardom, I won't wish you all a "Happy Wednesday" because its a sad day for me when idiots like that are doing such moronic things I wish I hadn't gotten out of be this morning.*sigh* :( What is this world coming to? And friends ask me why I don't have any children... So Sad.

You can haz my smile.
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155 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:01:42am

re: #140 NJDhockeyfan

What the hell does 'Assalamu Alaikum' mean?

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

156 Donna Ballard  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:01:48am

What the huh?!? I got double posted again...Sorry bout that!

157 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:01:57am

re: #143 JasonA

I also wonder if anyone still thinks this is a fantastic idea...
Taxi ads stir controversy

Geller's latest campaign against "Islamization" has appeared in ads this summer on top of 25 Chicago cabs.

The Hallowed Ground of Chicago?

158 spikester  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:01:57am

re: #138 brownbagj

isn't it like :peace be upon you or something

159 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:01:58am

Man you peeps are fast.

160 Soap_Man  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:02:10am

re: #143 JasonA

Good question.

I also wonder if anyone still thinks this is a fantastic idea...
Taxi ads stir controversy

Yellow Cab to remove last anti-Islam ads

Yellow Cab Chicago requested Tuesday that a fleet of taxis remove controversial anti-Islam ads.

The ads, sponsored by the group Stop Islamization of America, appeared on 25 Chicago cabs this summer. Beside pictures of young women who were allegedly killed by their Muslim fathers for refusing an Islamic marriage, dating a non-Muslim or becoming "too Americanized" was the message: "Is your family threatening you?" The placards also displayed the Web address LeaveIslamSafely.com.

Michael Levine, CEO of Yellow Cab Chicago, said the signs were offensive to the city's taxi drivers, an estimated half of whom are Muslim.

161 wrenchwench  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:02:48am

re: #160 Soap_Man

Yellow Cab to remove last anti-Islam ads

Oh, good. Thank you.

162 Donna Ballard  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:02:57am

re: #154 Varek Raith

You can haz my smile.
Image: 128731810096678138.jpg

Thank you so much! I needed that! Now I feel better, you're good at that!

163 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:03:08am

re: #160 Soap_Man

Good for them.

164 captdiggs  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:03:08am

re: #128 Spare O'Lake

You're the one jumping to conclusions about the perp's motivation, not me.

Sorry spare, but the motivation, as alleged, would be hate combined with alcohol.

165 darthstar  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:03:09am

re: #159 000G

Man you peeps are fast.

Cultural literacy. Despite what some people think, it's not a bad thing.

166 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:03:12am

Anti-Muslim attacker works at pro-Park51 group

The apparent anti-Muslim assault on a New York city cabbie by a man shouting “Assalamu Alaikum. Consider this a checkpoint" produced an immediate round of recriminations over its connection to opposition to a New York Islamic Center and an apparent rising tide of Islamophobia.

But as often at the intersection of politics and violent crime, the story doesn't appear to fit any easy stereotype: The alleged assailant, Michael Enright, is — according to his Facebook profile and the website of the left-leaning media organization Intersections International — a student at the School of Visual Arts and a volunteer for Intersections, which recently produced a statement of support for the Park51 project, and is funded by the mainstream, liberal Collegiate Church of New York.

And Intersections did not respond to two messages and the group does not appear to be picking up the phone. Enright did not respond to a message through his Facebook account.

But this appears to be the same man: Police described Enright as a resident of Brewster, 21, and an employee of an "Internet media company who had recently spent time with a combat unit in Afghanistan filming military exercises until this past May."

His Facebook picture, above, appears to show him in Afghanistan. The page describes him as a cinematographer and photographer for Intersections.

The Village Voice first reported the connection.

167 Stanghazi  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:03:13am

re: #154 Varek Raith

You can haz my smile.
Image: 128731810096678138.jpg

My local Thai place has one of those in their beautiful saltwater tank!

168 TedStriker  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:03:42am

re: #160 Soap_Man

Yellow Cab to remove last anti-Islam ads

SIOA: A bunch of bigoted, xenophobic choads...

169 Donna Ballard  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:03:49am

re: #159 000G

Man you peeps are fast.

You have no idea! Just when you think you've caught up their dust buries you again! ;)

170 simoom  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:03:52am

re: #80 Killgore Trout

Comments from Fox News...

Comments from another Murdoch media outlet, at the NYPost article on this story:

Kris0822
08/25/2010 12:11 PM
Could have seen this coming a mile away. Islam is trying to muscle their way into our city, well its not going to work. Its called push-back, though our politicians might want to be dhimmi, we Americans will take our own defense in our own hands.
yadayada1234
08/25/2010 12:42 PM
Looks like we are starting to play cowboys and muslims!!! Just the start of things to come...
Yahudie2
08/25/2010 12:44 PM
Enright is a hero.

"Ahmed was taken to Bellevue Hospital in stable condition.." Too bad. It would have been one less Muslim terrorist in the world

November Looms
08/25/2010 12:58 PM
An interesting new way of tipping, hope it catches on!
Wheights
08/25/2010 1:17 PM
Great News good for the [bigoted term]

The latest comment is from some idiot Howard Stern listener who seems to be trolling everyone:

BabaBooey
08/25/2010 1:48 PM
Time for Muslims around the world to unite and take out the West! This is only the beginning.

Muslims carry weapons at all times, the war is beginning. Time to go p*ss on the WTC site on those animals that died 9/11!! Too bad only 3k+ died.

There are also a couple of decent comments pushing back against the hatred -- for example:

TheGoodWord
08/25/2010 1:19 PM
If these same comments were directed at americans on al-jazeera's webite, Sean Hannity would be doing a 2 hour special tonight.

I clicked 'Report Abuse' on a number of them about 20 minutes ago. It will be interesting to see if they have a responsive moderator.

171 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:04:09am

re: #166 NJDhockeyfan

Anti-Muslim attacker works at pro-Park51 group

Curiouser and curiouser.

172 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:05:47am

re: #170 simoom

I'm now convinced that a lot of my fellow humans should have just been blowjobs.

173 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:05:59am

re: #166 NJDhockeyfan

Boy, that's going to be an awkward first day back at work.

//

174 brownbagj  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:06:15am

Interesting that apparently this person got back from a Afghanistan recently and then pulls this stunt.

It will be interesting to follow this story as the facts come out.

175 captdiggs  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:06:25am

re: #166 NJDhockeyfan

Anti-Muslim attacker works at pro-Park51 group

???

That's why I like to apply the "24 hour" rule.

176 darthstar  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:06:33am

re: #170 simoom

I wish there was a way to name and shame these people.

177 KansasMom  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:07:29am

re: #130 Cheese Eating Victory Monkey

This is a bit off topic, but I thought I'd share anyway. Ramadan is going on right now, and I'm amazed by the millions who fast all day in this heat and work outside.

15 hours between sunup and sunrise. Chatted with another mom outside my kiddo's classroom this morning. She said they were all struggling with their fast this time because of the heat and long days, but taking it day-by-day.
I do have to admire that kind of discipline.

178 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:07:49am

re: #166 NJDhockeyfan

Anti-Muslim attacker works at pro-Park51 group


Very odd. Here's the Salon version of the article...
Meet the New York cabbie-stabber
Since a lot of this info is coming from the NY Post (a Murdoch outlet) I'd be pretty cautious about the accuracy. They've already amended some of the facts in the article with no explanation.

179 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:08:08am

re: #175 captdiggs

Um, what 24 hour rule is necessary here? Nobody that I've seen has said anything about him that hasn't already been confirmed by police.

180 Stanghazi  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:09:09am

re: #178 Killgore Trout

Very odd. Here's the Salon version of the article...
Meet the New York cabbie-stabber
Since a lot of this info is coming from the NY Post (a Murdoch outlet) I'd be pretty cautious about the accuracy. They've already amended some of the facts in the article with no explanation.

I saw the facebook link in the comments of TPM quite awhile ago. Hate to blast someone because their name matches, but it appears to be the same guy. Really bizarre.

181 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:09:31am

re: #179 Obdicut

Um, what 24 hour rule is necessary here? Nobody that I've seen has said anything about him that hasn't already been confirmed by police.

Unconfirmed statement that he seems to work for an pro-Park51 group.

182 brownbagj  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:10:08am

re: #179 Obdicut

I think it is that some made a connection to the ongoing battle over the proposed community center and this attack. Mainly, that this attack is a result of the heat intensifying in the arguments.

183 Varek Raith  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:10:11am

re: #180 Stanley Sea

I saw the facebook link in the comments of TPM quite awhile ago. Hate to blast someone because their name matches, but it appears to be the same guy. Really bizarre.

People are stupid.
:shrugs:

184 captdiggs  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:10:16am

re: #179 Obdicut

Um, what 24 hour rule is necessary here? Nobody that I've seen has said anything about him that hasn't already been confirmed by police.

Right, like how police initially said they were looking for a "white man" complete with street photo (of the wrong person) after the attempted Times Square bombing.

Just trying to be reasonable and wait for the dust to settle.

185 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:10:55am

re: #181 Decatur Deb

Unconfirmed statement that he seems to work for an pro-Park51 group.

Well, it wouldn't surprise me, but it also doesn't seem very material-- except that it would lend weight to the idea that the controversy over Park51 led to this incident.

186 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:11:44am

I'll just point out that calling Intersections a "pro-Park51 group" is pretty misleading. Intersections is involved in a LOT of things, not just supporting Park51.

It looks like Enright's main interest in working with them was getting his films financed.

187 deranged cat  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:11:48am

re: #166 NJDhockeyfan

Anti-Muslim attacker works at pro-Park51 group

There's the spin, Charles! well not really a spin, just a reason for right-wing blogs to start blogging about it now.

188 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:11:58am

re: #170 simoom

Hhere's one at CBS's comments...

Dale

Islam is not a religion, it is an agenda. Islam means submission and Sharia is a form of government which clearly violates the establishment clause of the First Amendment. The agenda to establish Sharia makes Islam illegal, according the U.S. Constitution. The fact that the Hussein Obama is flying this imam around at taxpayer expense is a clear violation of the Establishment clause. It is an act of treason and the Hussein Obama should be arrested for his crimes.

189 webevintage  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:12:07am

re: #181 Decatur Deb

Unconfirmed statement that he seems to work for an pro-Park51 group.

So he works for a group that is involved in promoting Park51?

190 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:12:08am

re: #185 Obdicut

Well, it wouldn't surprise me, but it also doesn't seem very material-- except that it would lend weight to the idea that the controversy over Park51 led to this incident.

Yeah, but it blows his chance at "Employee of the Month">

191 brownbagj  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:12:13am

If we has pro park51, then why attack this Muslim? Does he want the pool without the prayer room?

Weird if true.

192 Donna Ballard  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:12:31am

Now the question is, what the heck are we going to do about this type of thing and how are we going to stop it? I think an series of educational shows might help but I'm afraid the fear mongers are gaining strength and this type of thing is going to spread.
When I worked downtown L.A. the word on the streets was to watch out for the coming race war, I thought it meant between the Caucasians, Hispanics and the African Americans going at it. Boy was I wrong!
I feel sorry for the Muslim community, the coming violence will be pointed straight at them and their children. I hope Geller and her cronies are proud of themselves when they see the war their starting and the innocents that are going to suffer because of them and their manic paranoia.
I sincerely don't know how those people can sleep at night or look themselves in the mirror.

193 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:13:13am

re: #128 Spare O'Lake

You're the one jumping to conclusions about the perp's motivation, not me.

His motivation was Anti-Muslim bigotry.

Cut, print, that's a wrap folks.

194 darthstar  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:13:14am

Heh...time for some humor. This pretty much sums up a lot of iPhone users (not all, Charles...but some). :)

195 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:14:01am

re: #191 brownbagj

"Works at a place that released a statement in support of Park51" does not mean "Supports Park51 personally", you know.

The Episcopalian church has a gay bishop. That doesn't mean every Episcopalian supports gay clergy.

196 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:14:13am

re: #189 webevintage

So he works for a group that is involved in promoting Park51?

Facebook is always accurate.

197 Charles Johnson  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:14:16am

Again: the fact that he worked with Intersections does not automatically mean he was "pro-Park51" at all. Intersections does a lot of things. Enright is a filmmaker, and apparently Intersections was funding his work.

198 Stanghazi  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:14:19am

re: #187 deranged cat

There's the spin, Charles! well not really a spin, just a reason for right-wing blogs to start blogging about it now.

This this this.

Bingo.

Just watch it unfold...

199 Donna Ballard  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:15:23am

re: #183 Varek Raith

People are stupid.
:shrugs:

Boy you got that right!

200 andres  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:15:43am

re: #60 Cannadian Club Akbar

Because rednecks aren't the only ones that do this sort of side-looking for their own.

201 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:16:08am

The scariest thought here is that the "Ground Zero Mosque" has not even been built yet. I really don't wanna think about what is going to go down once construction starts.

202 Targetpractice  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:16:30am

re: #186 Charles

I'll just point out that calling Intersections a "pro-Park51 group" is pretty misleading. Intersections is involved in a LOT of things, not just supporting Park51.

It looks like Enright's main interest in working with them was getting his films financed.

Now we play the waiting game to see if Intersections dumps his ass, makes excuses for him, or just keeps silent.

203 brownbagj  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:16:38am

re: #196 Decatur Deb

Facebook is always accurate.

Quoted for the truth.

/

I laughed out loud at this one.

204 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:16:44am

re: #193 jamesfirecat

His motivation was Anti-Muslim bigotry.

Cut, print, that's a wrap folks.

Which seems to be worse now that it was immediately following 9/11.
And blame for that is strictly on the backs of Geller, Spencer and their buddies.

205 webevintage  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:16:55am

re: #201 ralphieboy

The scariest thought here is that the "Ground Zero Mosque" has not even been built yet. I really don't wanna think about what is going to go down once construction starts.

I actually think that the mob will move on to some other "outrageous outrage"...

206 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:17:27am

re: #178 Killgore Trout

Very odd. Here's the Salon version of the article...
Meet the New York cabbie-stabber
Since a lot of this info is coming from the NY Post (a Murdoch outlet) I'd be pretty cautious about the accuracy. They've already amended some of the facts in the article with no explanation.

Yes, by all means let's do exercise caution before jumping to the conclusion that this perp's hatred was unleashed by those who have questioned the wisdom of the siting decision for the Park-51 mosque.

207 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:17:38am

re: #204 reine.de.tout

Which seems to be worse now that it was immediately following 9/11.
And blame for that is strictly on the backs of Geller, Spencer and their buddies.

And on all the politicians who have found this a useful way to pander.

208 brownbagj  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:18:01am

re: #205 webevintage

I don't think so. Muslims (in the mob's mind) are pretty easily identifiable which mean they are "difurnt lookin'" and therefore easy to hate on.

209 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:18:31am

re: #206 Spare O'Lake

A man got stabbed. He's hurt. He's scared.

Can't you give your bullshit a rest just for one thread?

210 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:19:00am

JasonA - I see you're logged in.
Would you mind, please, clicking my avatar and sending me an e-mail?
I have some questions about the ecigs, OT so let's not bore folks here.

211 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:19:16am

re: #205 webevintage

I actually think that the mob will move on to some other "outrageous outrage"...


I can only hope so, but the way this has been building - remember that the project was initially approved without much flap but the groundwswell has grown and is now spiling over to other mosque-building projects in other states - makes me worry that we are going to see a focal point for some ugly, ugly encounters.

And once we have a few "martyrs" to the "cause" on either side, it will NOT just go away.

212 Donna Ballard  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:21:07am

re: #170 simoom

Comments from another Murdoch media outlet, at the NYPost article on this story:

The latest comment is from some idiot Howard Stern listener who seems to be trolling everyone:

There are also a couple of decent comments pushing back against the hatred -- for example:

I clicked 'Report Abuse' on a number of them about 20 minutes ago. It will be interesting to see if they have a responsive moderator.

Oh my God, now I feel like getting sick. Now you know why I won't visit those kinds of blogs, the people that post there are throwbacks that should have been born back in the stone age. I refuse to lower myself to their scrapping the bottom of the barrel level. So sad...

213 brownbagj  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:21:30am

re: #211 ralphieboy

I agree with this. All the elements of a really big "fire" are here. This does not always result in an inferno, but the fuel and sparks are sitting side by side. If enough fuel and sparks ignite, it could get to be a big problem really easily.

214 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:21:51am

re: #210 reine.de.tout

Sent.

215 simoom  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:22:24am

re: #166 NJDhockeyfan

Anti-Muslim attacker works at pro-Park51 group

I'm not sure I get get the significance Politico is placing on where he works. If his place of employment just came out in support of Park51, how does that reflect on his personal sentiments and motives? Sure, beyond the cabbie's recounting of events, we probably won't have a clear picture of what triggered the assault for a while yet, but his employer's statement could just as easily have infuriated/further-unhinged Enright.

216 zxbe  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:22:44am

re: #176 darthstar

I wish there was a way to name and shame these people.

The problem is you can't shame them. They wear these acts like a badge of honor.

217 Sinistershade  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:23:22am
Since you're the law hawk can you explain something to me that I've heard said a few times related to this particular (Hate Crime) debate.

I've heard it said that Hate Crimes are a "federal crime" which evidently means that they're tried by people from a different jury/different jury pool than regular crimes...

Is this true, yes, no, maybe so?

James,

You may also be thinking of the provisions in the federal Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Prevention Act, signed into law last year, that provide additional federal resources to investigate and prosecute state-level hate crimes when the local jurisdiction lacks the resources or inclination to prosecute.

In the wingnut-o-sphere, this was spun as more federal takeover of local prerogative.

[Link: en.wikisource.org...]

218 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:23:30am

re: #179 Obdicut

Um, what 24 hour rule is necessary here? Nobody that I've seen has said anything about him that hasn't already been confirmed by police.

Apparently reports are now coming out that the perp had been with troops in Afghanistan, and that he said to the victim "Consider this a checkpoint" before he slashed him.
If true, this suggests to me that this perp may have seen something in Afghanistan which motivated his anti-Muslim attack.
Perhaps the Park51 brouhaha played little or no part in motivating this particular attack.
Or perhaps not.
Let's wait and see, shall we?

219 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:23:50am

re: #191 brownbagj

If we has pro park51, then why attack this Muslim? Does he want the pool without the prayer room?

Weird if true.

Organization supporting "X" does not mean that all employees or persons associated with with organization support "X".

And it appears alcohol was involved as well.

220 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:24:08am

re: #215 simoom

See? If his employer hadn't supported this project this may never have happened. No organizations should support Park51 or people might bet hurt.

/spin

221 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:24:13am

re: #218 Spare O'Lake

Apparently reports are now coming out that the perp had been with troops in Afghanistan, and that he said to the victim "Consider this a checkpoint" before he slashed him.
If true, this suggests to me that this perp may have seen something in Afghanistan which motivated his anti-Muslim attack.
Perhaps the Park51 brouhaha played little or no part in motivating this particular attack.
Or perhaps not.
Let's wait and see, shall we?

If he was attacked because of park 51 will YOU change your stance on the issue?

222 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:24:37am

re: #215 simoom

I'm not sure I get get the significance Politico is placing on where he works. If his place of employment just came out in support of Park51, how does that reflect on his personal sentiments and motives? Sure, beyond the cabbie's recounting of events, we probably won't have a clear picture of what triggered the assault for a while yet, but his employer's statement could just as easily have infuriated/further-unhinged Enright.

The Village Voice has a lot of information about this asshole already. Here's some of it:

Michael Enright of Brewster, New York, who was booked on charges of attempted murder and assault with a weapon as a hate crime, is listed on Facebook as an employee of the New York City-based Intersections International, a New York-based "global initiative dedicated to promoting justice, reconciliation and peace across lines of faith, culture, ideology, race, class, national borders and other boundaries that divide humanity." And a few weeks ago, they announced their support for -- you guessed it -- the Cordoba House, better known to many as the "Ground Zero Mosque."

...And on August 3, 2010, Intersections International came out with this press release:

Intersections supports the efforts of its partner organizations, The Cordoba Initiative and the American Society for Muslim Advancement, to develop a Community Center and Muslim prayer space, called "The Cordoba House," at 47-51 Park Place in Manhattan. The vision is to create a place where individuals--regardless of race, faith or ethnicity--will find a center for learning, art, cultural expression and athletics; and most importantly, a center guided by the universal values of all religions--compassion, generosity, peace and human dignity.


Enright's Facebook picture shows him wearing what appears to be a flack jacket in another country, for what it's worth, but that's not too telling of anything, which may or may not be Afghanistan, where the Michael Enright involved in this altercation was recently filming "military exercises" with a "combat unit" as reported by the New York Post.

We called up Intersections International to ask them if they employed a Michael Enright, and the operator who picked up the phone told us he was a "freelancer" and connected us with a press representative, whose voicemail we got. Ben Smith at Poltiico apparently isn't having much luck getting through, either.

There's always the possibility that there are two Michael Enrights from Brewster, New York who are 21 years-old and living in New York City -- entirely possible -- or there's one, and he's working for an initiative who recently released a statement of support for Park 51/The Cordoba House, and he just stabbed a cab driver explicitly because he told Enright he's a Muslim.

...UPDATE: Via the New York Post, this:

Enright told police he works for an Internet media company who had recently spent time with a combat unit in Afghanistan filming military exercises until this past May. He has been charged with attempted murder. Enright has had run-ins with the law in the past. He was charged with criminal trespassing and disorderly conduct last year and sentenced to a day in jail. In 2008, he received two summonses for underage drinking.
223 Donna Ballard  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:25:48am

re: #201 ralphieboy

The scariest thought here is that the "Ground Zero Mosque" has not even been built yet. I really don't wanna think about what is going to go down once construction starts.

This whole thing is absolutely stupid if you ask me! It's bringing out the worst element of the American mindset and it's downright terrifying! The bigots, fear mongers and throwbacks are going to have a field day over this whole thing and, unfortunately, its just begun.

224 CuriousLurker  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:27:51am

BBL

225 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:28:46am

re: #223 Dragon_Lady

This whole thing is absolutely stupid if you ask me! It's bringing out the worst element of the American mindset and it's downright terrifying! The bigots, fear mongers and throwbacks are going to have a field day over this whole thing and, unfortunately, its just begun.

Don't forget the racism. That black carpenter who was harassed Sunday? That didn't happen because he kneeling on a carpet and prying towards Mecca. He made the mistake of being brown.

226 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:29:14am

re: #214 JasonA

Sent.

Ok, crap, I didn't get it.
Check how you spelled it (it's reine, not riene) and resend?

227 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:30:00am

If you see the War on Terror as a clash between the enlightened West and Islam, then it is easy to see building a Mosque in lower Manhattan as a "moral victory" for the "enemy".

If you want to see the WOT as a battle between modern democracy and fundamentalist theocracy, then forbidding a Mosque is a victory for fundamentalism.

And in the nuance-free atmosphere of American media and especially the blogosphere, it is impossible to simply say that you support Freedom of Religion regardless of the religion.

228 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:30:08am

re: #225 JasonA

Don't forget the racism. That black carpenter who was harassed Sunday? That didn't happen because he kneeling on a carpet and prying towards Mecca. He made the mistake of being brown.

The actual charge was: "Brown While Wearing a Funny Hat".

229 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:30:42am

re: #225 JasonA

Don't forget the racism. That black carpenter who was harassed Sunday? That didn't happen because he kneeling on a carpet and prying towards Mecca. He made the mistake of being brown.

His painter's cap looked suspiciously like the one that Obama was photographed wearing in Kenya, you know...

230 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:30:45am

re: #226 reine.de.tout

Ok, crap, I didn't get it.
Check how you spelled it (it's reine, not riene) and resend?

I just copy and pasted it from the blog. I looked again and it seems right. Did you check your spam?

231 elbruce  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:30:52am

re: #206 Spare O'Lake

Yes, by all means let's do exercise caution before jumping to the conclusion that this perp's hatred was unleashed by those who have questioned the wisdom of the siting decision for the Park-51 mosque.

Sure. It would be irresponsible to jump to conclusions and assume that just because a major anti-Muslim hate rally was held in New York, it had causal effect in the fact that the very next day someone was trying to kill someone else in New York because he was a Muslim. /

Which side is it that always says "connect the dots?"

232 elbruce  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:31:46am

re: #227 ralphieboy

If you see the War on Terror as a clash between the enlightened West and Islam, then it is easy to see building a Mosque in lower Manhattan as a "moral victory" for the "enemy".

If you want to see the WOT as a battle between modern democracy and fundamentalist theocracy, then forbidding a Mosque is a victory for fundamentalism..

I see the WOT as a battle between the tolerant and the intolerant.

233 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:32:19am

re: #232 elbruce

I see the WOT as a battle between the tolerant and the intolerant.

I always read WOT as "Wheel of Time."

234 Donna Ballard  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:32:51am

re: #225 JasonA

Don't forget the racism. That black carpenter who was harassed Sunday? That didn't happen because he kneeling on a carpet and prying towards Mecca. He made the mistake of being brown.

I left that one out, sorry bout that. You're right, the racists will be like fly's on stink over this. The first volley has been fired, now the true war has yet to begin but its on its way. Think I'll keep my head down and my guns handy. Heaven help us all.

235 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:34:33am

Probably already been said... but... I fear for the people of the Mosque in Lower Manhattan...

236 brownbagj  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:35:33am

re: #235 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

And if something really bad happens there, I fear for our country. For that will ignite something that may not be easily controlled.

I pray otherwise.

237 Stonemason  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:35:43am

re: #10 jamesfirecat

Jebus Cripes... nobody and I mean NOBODY had better bring up how we don't need hate crime laws in this thread...

Why not? It seems to me that discussing the nature of the charges would be acceptable.
Now, don't get me wrong, if progressives would call for capital punishment for a hate crime that resulted in the death of the victim, the rape of the victim, or the molestation of a child, I would be all for it.
However, just adding a charge to make other feel better about themselves is useless. Calling it a hate crime wouldn't have stopped this guy.
Oh, see, stream of consciousness here while I type; is the hate crime designation so we can punish harder (like mentioned above) or is it a deterrent? Or, is it so we know how to rehabilitate?

My opinion is that 'hate crime' legislation is too darn close to thought crime.

238 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:35:50am

Was afraid of something like this happening. Glad the cabbie is okay. Fuck the assholes applauding his actions.

239 elbruce  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:35:55am

re: #234 Dragon_Lady

I left that one out, sorry bout that. You're right, the racists will be like fly's on stink over this. The first volley has been fired, now the true war has yet to begin but its on its way. Think I'll keep my head down and my guns handy. Heaven help us all.

Don't let the bigots suck you into their "coming race war" rhetoric. What should happen is that the hate-speechers should be shamed and ignored, those who commit acts of violence or vandalism should be imprisoned, and everybody else should be informed and educated. It's a slow, frustrating process, but that's civilization for ya.

240 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:37:05am

re: #230 JasonA

I just copy and pasted it from the blog. I looked again and it seems right. Did you check your spam?

OK, got it!

241 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:37:08am

re: #237 Stonemason

I wrote a post above about what hate crimes actually are. They aren't to make people feel better.

Go ahead and read it.

242 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:37:08am

Fox is the only right wing outlet covering the story and the comments keep getting worse...

Instead of arresting this brave 21 yr. old, he should be given a medal of honor!!!! This needs to happen more!!! And I have a suspicion more of these attacks will occur in larger numbers til the muslims go home to their sand dunes!


...

One [bigoted word] cabbie attacked. 2700 Innocent Americans slaughtered. Lemme see.. the math says 2700 Muslims have yet to pay before the balance is achieved.


...

If moslems cannot or will not control their "radical" fringe, such things will continue to happen. It should not be considered a "hate" ( or any other class of crime) to eliminate a threat to the American concept of liberty.


etc

243 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:37:39am

re: #240 reine.de.tout

OK, got it!

Did it go to spam?

244 jamesfirecat  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:38:04am

re: #237 Stonemason

Why not? It seems to me that discussing the nature of the charges would be acceptable.
Now, don't get me wrong, if progressives would call for capital punishment for a hate crime that resulted in the death of the victim, the rape of the victim, or the molestation of a child, I would be all for it.
However, just adding a charge to make other feel better about themselves is useless. Calling it a hate crime wouldn't have stopped this guy.
Oh, see, stream of consciousness here while I type; is the hate crime designation so we can punish harder (like mentioned above) or is it a deterrent? Or, is it so we know how to rehabilitate?

My opinion is that 'hate crime' legislation is too darn close to thought crime.

How the f*** is it too damn close to thought crime?

Hate Crimes rely on action. Thought crimes don't. As long as that barrier is kept firm I see no problem.

I see Hate Crimes laws should exist both to give the feds a chance to step in if the locals don't, a way to punish harder for a truly reprehensible motive behind the crime,a nd also a way to better focus rehabilitation efforts if possible.

I don't especially see it as a deterrent though, because you know what they say about haters...

245 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:38:14am

re: #242 Killgore Trout

"Don't look into the comments, Egon."
"I looked into the comments, Ray."

246 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:39:40am

re: #237 Stonemason

Why not? It seems to me that discussing the nature of the charges would be acceptable.
Now, don't get me wrong, if progressives would call for capital punishment for a hate crime that resulted in the death of the victim, the rape of the victim, or the molestation of a child, I would be all for it.
However, just adding a charge to make other feel better about themselves is useless. Calling it a hate crime wouldn't have stopped this guy.
Oh, see, stream of consciousness here while I type; is the hate crime designation so we can punish harder (like mentioned above) or is it a deterrent? Or, is it so we know how to rehabilitate?

My opinion is that 'hate crime' legislation is too darn close to thought crime.

Being a bigoted asshole isn't a crime. Hurting someone just because you're a bigoted asshole is a crime. No problem.

247 elbruce  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:39:41am

re: #237 Stonemason

My opinion is that 'hate crime' legislation is too darn close to thought crime.

I think of it as being similar to RICO laws to combat organized crime. If there's an overall causal reason behind a number of isolated criminal incidents, then you're going to need more resources to prevent those incidents.

Most of what hate crime legislation does is provide more resources for investigation and prosecution; additional charges are only a small part of the picture.

And frankly, this guy should get way more of a sentence than for a random person who drunkenly tries to stab a random cabbie for random reasons. The hate crime charge at least prevents prosecutors from treating it as a mere random assault that he can plea out of to get short time.

248 Four More Tears  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:39:59am

re: #244 jamesfirecat

How the f*** is it too damn close to thought crime?

Hate Crimes rely on action. Thought crimes don't. As long as that barrier is kept firm I see no problem.

I see Hate Crimes laws should exist both to give the feds a chance to step in if the locals don't, a way to punish harder for a truly reprehensible motive behind the crime,a nd also a way to better focus rehabilitation efforts if possible.

I don't especially see it as a deterrent though, because you know what they say about haters...

I don't understand the argument, either. If that's the case, then why bother having different degrees of murder? Why does it matter, then, If I meant to kill someone or did so accidentally?

249 brownbagj  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:40:00am

Mankind has always had a fear of "others." Whether is be race, religion etc, mankind finds a way to hate, envy or be fearful of differences.

What makes America so beautiful is that we are a melting pot.

If we cannot get it right here and have all types of races, religions...people, live here and live together...what hope is there for the world?

WE HAVE TO GET THIS RIGHT.

250 HappyWarrior  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:40:33am

re: #242 Killgore Trout

Fox is the only right wing outlet covering the story and the comments keep getting worse...


...


...


etc

That's some fucked up shit right there.

251 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:41:02am

re: #243 JasonA

Did it go to spam?

No, just took awhile to come thru apparently.

252 Decatur Deb  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:41:51am

BBL

253 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:42:15am

The problem is that those who instigate this crap with their 24/7 rhetoric cannot be held responsible until someone actually says, "Glen/Rush/Pam/Robert told me to!" and at that they will be dismissed as a looney so the very people behind all of this are left free to spew their poison.

254 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:42:19am

I hope the cabbie makes a full recovery. The way I see it, every person who is promoting this ongoing hatred of Muslims shares the responsibility for this crime. Hatred begets hatred. The next time you put on your "Love" necklace, Pamela, you think about THAT.

255 Donna Ballard  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:42:28am

re: #239 elbruce

Don't let the bigots suck you into their "coming race war" rhetoric. What should happen is that the hate-speechers should be shamed and ignored, those who commit acts of violence or vandalism should be imprisoned, and everybody else should be informed and educated. It's a slow, frustrating process, but that's civilization for ya.

Dude, the race war has been talked about for decades here in California! I just didn't think it would be against the Muslim Community! We have a lot of Hispanic gang bangers here that get into fights with the African American gangsters on a regular daily basis and its been threatening to get out of control for years. This could be just the final straw that it'll take to break that particular camels (no pun intended!) back! So please, don't mistake my fear of a race war as buying into the fear mongers rhetoric! You want to see racial tension? Move to South Los Angeles! You'll get a real eye full!

256 Nervous Norvous  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:43:46am

re: #254 Kreuzueber Halbmond

The next time you put on your "Love" necklace, Pamela, you think about THAT.

Thinkwe could get her charged with false advertising?

257 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:44:21am

re: #255 Dragon_Lady

There isn't going to be a race war.

There will be Muslims getting attacked.

258 Donna Ballard  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:44:54am

re: #257 Obdicut

There isn't going to be a race war.

There will be Muslims getting attacked.

Same thing. But I hope you're right. I really do!

259 Political Atheist  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:45:02am

re: #192 Dragon_Lady

That my dear is why we will be paying a visit to our local Muslim Community Center with our own outreach. Which BTW I suggest for any of us that can and have the desire. If your neighborhood has one stop by.

260 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:45:43am

re: #237 Stonemason

Why not? It seems to me that discussing the nature of the charges would be acceptable.
Now, don't get me wrong, if progressives would call for capital punishment for a hate crime that resulted in the death of the victim, the rape of the victim, or the molestation of a child, I would be all for it.
However, just adding a charge to make other feel better about themselves is useless. Calling it a hate crime wouldn't have stopped this guy.
Oh, see, stream of consciousness here while I type; is the hate crime designation so we can punish harder (like mentioned above) or is it a deterrent? Or, is it so we know how to rehabilitate?

My opinion is that 'hate crime' legislation is too darn close to thought crime.

Well, there are thoughts that result in criminal actions. The thoughts aren't illegal. The actions are.

My understanding of "hate crime" designation is to recognize the additional element of terrorism such crimes bring to a group of people. Even those who aren't directly affected by a specific incident of crime itself are prompted to have more fear than they normally would from knowing that their kind is being targeted by a person or group.

261 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:46:29am

re: #221 jamesfirecat

If he was attacked because of park 51 will YOU change your stance on the issue?

I doubt that you know or care what my stance on the issue actually is.
If like others here you believe me to be an anti-Muslim bigot or motivated by mindless prejudice against Muslims, then you are pathetically mistaken.
If you find it comforting to believe I am a bigot, then you are certain that nothing about this case will change my position.

Not that you or anyone else around here seems to care, but my actual stance on Park51, for the hundredth time, is that it is perfectly legal and the developer has the perfect legal and constitutionally protected right to build it on the existing site. However, and without taking away from the foregoing, I do not believe it is a wise decision to build it there because I believe it has and will continue to cause severe division and religious strife in America. My position has always included a complete rejection of anti-Muslim bigotry and hate, and as such my position will not be changed if the perp was motivated by the Park51 hate.

However I do believe that if it comes out that the perp was motivated by the Park51 anti-Muslim hate propoganda, then hopefully many people who have been sucked in by the latter will be shocked enough to re-examine their views.

262 Stonemason  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:46:58am

re: #95 Obdicut

Hate crimes also exist on the state level, though. The purpose of hate crime legislation is to criminalize the attempt to intimidate and coerce an entire group of people through a crime. To me, that is reasonable. It is demonstrably different to burn a cross on someone's lawn than it is to set fire to a bunch of cardboard in someone's yard.

Especially if that person is black, Jewish, or Catholic.

Is this the one?

It is also demonstrably different to call someone a nasty name and to call someone a nasty name while cutting that person with a knife.
I ask again, simply, can we use the hate crime legislation to make sentencing incredibly harsher? I would get behind that, but the designation adds what? In NY, it adds nothing because the terms can run concurrently. If the designation forced the terms to run consecutively, then, maybe it would make sense.

Look, I am all for penalizing people for committing crimes, my problem is creating new 'crimes' and then not penalizing.

263 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:49:48am

re: #258 Dragon_Lady

Same thing. But I hope you're right. I really do!

No. In a war, the other side fights back and the opponents are remotely matched.

When we invaded Panama, it wasn't a war.

264 garhighway  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:51:45am

re: #187 deranged cat

There's the spin, Charles! well not really a spin, just a reason for right-wing blogs to start blogging about it now.

They have "concerns".

265 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:53:31am

re: #262 Stonemason

It is also demonstrably different to call someone a nasty name and to call someone a nasty name while cutting that person with a knife.

That is completely irrelevant. Did you not actually read the post? The part about 'intimidating a group'? How does calling someone a nasty name do that?

I ask again, simply, can we use the hate crime legislation to make sentencing incredibly harsher?

You could. I really never get it why people think that is so different. How is it different?

Look, I am all for penalizing people for committing crimes, my problem is creating new 'crimes' and then not penalizing.

You realize this is a completely different complaint from the 'thought crime' one you originally made, right?

Which is the real complaint?

266 reine.de.tout  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:53:48am

re: #264 garhighway

They have "concerns".

Oh, crap, that's a phrase I'll never be able to use again, I guess.
And such a good one . ..

267 Donna Ballard  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:58:03am

re: #266 reine.de.tout

Oh, crap, that's a phrase I'll never be able to use again, I guess.
And such a good one . ..

You're so cute! ((reine)) ;)

268 jayzee  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 12:01:22pm

The guy seems nuts too. He is part of a tolerance group that supports the Cordoba Project? [Link: tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com...]


has been working with the Intersection International, a multifaith and multicultural effort which seeks to promote justice and peace. The project's website is strongly supportive of the Cordoba House project in lower Manhattan and videos of its leader, Imam Faisel Rauf, are posted on their website.
269 elbruce  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 12:06:29pm

I'm not going to literally go blaming what this guy did on what anybody else said.

However

I do feel it's "unwise" of the anti-mosque crowd to shout their rhetoric right now. They should show some sensitivity to the victim of this crime, and move their First Amendment right of shouting bigotry to a much later date.

270 garhighway  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 12:12:13pm

re: #269 elbruce

I'm not going to literally go blaming what this guy did on what anybody else said.

However

I do feel it's "unwise" of the anti-mosque crowd to shout their rhetoric right now. They should show some sensitivity to the victim of this crime, and move their First Amendment right of shouting bigotry to a much later date.

To do otherwise would be a stab in the heart...

271 elbruce  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 12:13:06pm

re: #262 Stonemason

In NY, it adds nothing because the terms can run concurrently. If the designation forced the terms to run consecutively, then, maybe it would make sense.

If the minimum sentence for the hate crime charge is greater than the minimum sentence for say, an assault charge, then it raises the minimum time the person will spend in jail.

272 I Am Kreniigh!  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 12:33:02pm

re: #269 elbruce

I'm not going to literally go blaming what this guy did on what anybody else said.

However

I do feel it's "unwise" of the anti-mosque crowd to shout their rhetoric right now. They should show some sensitivity to the victim of this crime, and move their First Amendment right of shouting bigotry to a much later date.

Ooh, so very close... But you went too far by saying that "they should" do something. If you're really trying to sound like Spare, just keep saying it's "unwise" over and over again (like, a hundred times) without ever proposing a solution.

273 elbruce  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 12:35:32pm

re: #272 Kreniigh

Ooh, so very close... But you went too far by saying that "they should" do something. If you're really trying to sound like Spare, just keep saying it's "unwise" over and over again (like, a hundred times) without ever proposing a solution.

My intent there was a facetious echo of the anti-mosque argument.

274 Spare O'Lake  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 1:15:39pm

re: #272 Kreniigh

Ooh, so very close... But you went too far by saying that "they should" do something. If you're really trying to sound like Spare, just keep saying it's "unwise" over and over again (like, a hundred times) without ever proposing a solution.

Heh.
You mean like Obama used the term "wisdom" in his corrective interview, without ever proposing a solution?

275 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 1:16:23pm

re: #244 jamesfirecat

How the f*** is it too damn close to thought crime?
.

Apparently noting the motive of a crime is "thought crime"

Man I don't even know, there's a lot of bone-ignorant people about law :/

276 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 1:18:43pm

I wonder if it's thought crime to determine intent, Stonemason


Have you ever actually taken a class on law of any kind?

277 Obdicut  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 1:24:27pm

re: #274 Spare O'Lake

There doesn't need to be a solution. There isn't a problem. The community center has every legal right to be built.

What's the problem, in your mind?

278 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 1:27:34pm

re: #277 Obdicut

There doesn't need to be a solution. There isn't a problem. The community center has every legal right to be built.

What's the problem, in your mind?

"The muslim problem".

279 I Am Kreniigh!  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 1:43:05pm

re: #274 Spare O'Lake

Heh.
You mean like Obama used the term "wisdom" in his corrective interview, without ever proposing a solution?

By not making a value judgment on the "wisdom" (as you are doing), Obama avoided insinuating that there was a need for a solution (as you are doing).

280 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 1:54:34pm

re: #81 deranged cat

just to get the story straight:
43 year old asian cab driver
who was stabbed by
21 year old passenger named Michael Enright.

If anyone wants to bitch about how the press says 'Asian' instead of 'Muslim', now would not be a good time.

281 SanFranciscoZionist  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 1:58:48pm

re: #113 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Yep. First they'll try the "This guy was physically/emotionally scarred by 9/11, just as we all are!"

When that fails, they'll look to see if he had family or knew somebody killed on 9/11, then go "He was personally connected to this tragedy, of course it's gonna cause him to hate!"

And when that fails, the good ol' standby of "It's NYC, cabbies get attacked all the time! What does this have to do with anything?"

I'm betting 50/50 Atlas Shrugs says the cabbie is a jihadi who attacked his passenger, and the press isn't telling us the real story. Then they start a defense fund.

282 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:05:56pm

re: #242 Killgore Trout


Instead of arresting this brave 21 yr. old, he should be given a medal of honor!!! This needs to happen more!!! And I have a suspicion more of these attacks will occur in larger numbers til the muslims go home to their sand dunes!

And by "suspicion", he means "yearning hope".


One [bigoted word] cabbie infidel attacked. 2,000,000 Innocent Americans Muslims slaughtered. Lemme see.. the math says 2,000,000 Muslims Americans have yet to pay before the balance is achieved.

There. Now it sounds exactly like Azzam al-Amriki, Ayman al-Zawahiri, and every other shit-heel jihadi that I'm sure the writer thinks he's nothing like.


If moslems cannot or will not control their "radical" fringe, such things will continue to happen. It should not be considered a "hate" ( or any other class of crime) to eliminate a threat to the American concept of liberty.

Aaaand here we have a quote that would make Heinrich Himmler's pants get a little tighter.

Ugh.

283 RogueOne  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:10:09pm

re: #10 jamesfirecat

Jebus Cripes... nobody and I mean NOBODY had better bring up how we don't need hate crime laws in this thread...

Wish I had been here earlier. I could have made your head explode. We don't need hate crime laws.

284 elbruce  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:16:02pm

re: #274 Spare O'Lake

You mean like Obama used the term "wisdom" in his corrective interview, without ever proposing a solution?

It was none of his business, was his point. Just like it's none of mine or yours.

285 elbruce  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:16:54pm

re: #283 RogueOne

We don't need hate crime laws.

Yes we do.

286 Mentis Fugit  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:20:43pm

re: #228 Decatur Deb

The actual charge was: "Brown While Wearing a Funny Hat".


You'd almost think this was an instructional video, not a comedy sketch

287 NC Gray  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 4:44:20pm

re: #93 Charles

Strange to me the media in general can say the same thing over and over on different networks, thats not a liberal conspiracy or spinning and yet for conservative bloggers its all some big spinning conspiracy...

it is really liberal pundits who search until there is a blessing on the spin...

As far as the crime hey, I don't care what the politics of the assailant charge him with all that he is guilty of...

I honestly don't believe that someone crazy enough to stab someone would be moved one way or another by someone's religious faith.

288 NC Gray  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 5:07:17pm

re: #253 PT Barnum

Are you serious,? we can't even get the dod to say the the Fort Hood shooter was an extremist!

It is not the 'Glenn/Rush/ et. al. crowd who are violent!

289 elbruce  Wed, Aug 25, 2010 5:59:06pm

re: #288 NC Gray

we can't even get the dod to say the the Fort Hood shooter was an extremist!

Is it the DoD's business to label people with terms like "extremist?" I wasn't aware of that. "O noes, the DoD won't repeat my side's political talking points!"

(For the record, I believe the Fort Hood shooter was an extremist.)

290 tnguitarist  Thu, Aug 26, 2010 1:43:26am

re: #287 NC Gray

I honestly don't believe that someone crazy enough to stab someone would be moved one way or another by someone's religious faith.


Always at the end of threads. Lemme guess, you use the term 'lamestream media' several times a day. As per the quote: Really? No one has ever been moved to violence by religion?


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