When video aficionados sit around the campfire and tell scary stories, you’ll sometimes hear tales of film clips so abysmally stupid that they exert a strange power over the viewer, leading to uncontrollable convulsions of laughter and sometimes resulting in permanent loss of IQ points.
This isn’t such a clip. Not quite. But you can see how the legend was born.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Aug 25, 2010 1:44:50pm |
Just so long as she doesn't come out of my computer screen seven days after watching it and force me to vote Republican....
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darthstar Wed, Aug 25, 2010 1:45:04pm |
Somewhere, being ignored by everyone around him, Andrew Breitbart is screaming, "PAY ATTENTION TO ME! I GOT A BLACK WOMAN FIRED!"
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elbruce Wed, Aug 25, 2010 1:49:04pm |
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur;
Have these wingnuts ever read the damn thing? I highly recommend it. Good stuff in there.
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DaddyG Wed, Aug 25, 2010 1:50:19pm |
re: #4 elbruce
Have these wingnuts ever read the damn thing? I highly recommend it. Good stuff in there.
The last guy I knew of actually using the constitution was Robert Byrd (D- W. VA) and he just waved it around to get our of parking tickets. /
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garhighway Wed, Aug 25, 2010 1:50:23pm |
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victor27 Wed, Aug 25, 2010 1:51:18pm |
Paraphrasing here:
"Ms Geller, what you've just said... is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."
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Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 25, 2010 1:51:32pm |
Some sane people need to pop over to Amazon and review Geller and Spencer's book. Right now it has three and a half stars.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
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spikester Wed, Aug 25, 2010 1:53:19pm |
I'm waiting for the obligatory
"handler? I would handle her with Your chair and whip!"
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wrenchwench Wed, Aug 25, 2010 1:54:04pm |
Bob Spencer is behind the microphone stand, bobbing his head, encouraging her. He can't help, except by taking over, as he does at the end..
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Aug 25, 2010 1:54:27pm |
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William Barnett-Lewis Wed, Aug 25, 2010 1:55:15pm |
re: #4 elbruce
Have these wingnuts ever read the damn thing? I highly recommend it. Good stuff in there.
That's why I love carrying my Cato Institute copy. It's always amusing to see the look on some peoples faces when they read it saying something other than what they say it does.
That was especially true while working for the census this summer - they'd get their Rush Talking Points all a flutter when they read that bit (Art. 1, Sec. 2, Clause 3).
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Taqyia2Me Wed, Aug 25, 2010 1:57:34pm |
re: #10 spikester
I'm waiting for the obligatory
"handler? I would handle her with Your chair and whip!"
Careful now, ya don't wanna go around dissin' lions like that!
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Kragar Wed, Aug 25, 2010 1:58:25pm |
How dare Obama exercise his lawfully appointed duties under the constitution! Next thing you know, judges will be arguing laws can be overturned just because they violate the constitution.
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RadicalModerate Wed, Aug 25, 2010 1:59:11pm |
re: #9 Charles
Look at the editorial reviewers -
Brad Thor, Geert Wilders, Mark Steyn, David Horowitz, Caroline Glick, Andrew C. McCarthy.
Talk about a freaking chorus of the insane.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 25, 2010 1:59:12pm |
*Holding his head, groaning* Mongo's head hurts!
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nines09 Wed, Aug 25, 2010 1:59:30pm |
At what point does the Borders sign on the podium drop off in shame? Protectors of the Constitusion don't need no Constitusion.
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spikester Wed, Aug 25, 2010 1:59:52pm |
re: #18 Taqyia2Me
yeah
the chair and whip thing is acutely for tamers and oh so many web sites
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Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 25, 2010 1:59:57pm |
She might start saying "phenomenon" and forget where to stop. "Phenomenomenomenom... uh, phenom!"
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Sionainn Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:00:50pm |
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:04:55pm |
The whole idea of "treaties superseding the Constitution" is a long-running theme in the JBS/black helicopter wing of the right.
It figures prominently in lurid tales of FEMA detention camps and door to door gun searches. Pam has apparently tapped into that wacky universe in a big way.
Needless to say, there is no such thing as a treaty that can supersede the Constitution. We've been over this ground many times before. A treaty has to be ratified by the Senate. Any attempt to institute its provisions in the United States would require enabling legislation that would be subject to court review.
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researchok Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:05:17pm |
She's a lightweight.
In addition to being a bigot.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:05:26pm |
re: #27 Shiplord Kirel
The whole idea of "treaties superseding the Constitution" is a long-running theme in the JBS/black helicopter wing of the right.
It figures prominently in lurid tales of FEMA detention camps and door to door gun searches. Pam has apparently tapped into that wacky universe in a big way.
Needless to say, there is no such thing as a treaty that can supersede the Constitution. We've been over this ground many times before. A treaty has to be ratified by the Senate. Any attempt to institute its provisions in the United States would require enabling legislation that would be subject to court review.
GOLD FRINGE!
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Charles Johnson Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:07:24pm |
By the way, there are reports that former Chairman of the Republican National Committee Ken Mehlman is coming out of the closet. Admitting to being gay even as he ran a host of anti-gay initiatives for the GOP.
Supposedly it's going to be in a Marc Ambinder column for the Atlantic.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:07:54pm |
Equally brilliant is this other video in which she rants about Obama's transnationalism and internationalism:
MediaMatters is getting really good stuff lately. Limbaugh ranting about the Right's Islamophobia being the glorious next Cold War amidst some yammering about housing prices:
Glenn Beck ranting about G'd washing the nation with blood but he doesn't have to:
and Cavuto calling him the Howard Beale he is:| 32 |
prairiefire Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:10:27pm |
re: #30 Charles
By the way, there are reports that former Chairman of the Republican National Committee Ken Mehlman is coming out of the closet. Admitting to being gay even as he ran a host of anti-gay initiatives for the GOP.
Supposedly it's going to be in a Marc Ambinder column for the Atlantic.
If he comes out as a liberal, then I'll be really impressed.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:12:51pm |
How anyone who claims the status of intellectual and scholar can go around the country and stand behind this babbling twit, bobbing his head in agreement, is beyond comprehension.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you Bobblehead Bob, the Amazing Talking Doll!
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:12:56pm |
The Becks, Limbaughs, and Gellers of the country remind me of learning about many of FDR's demeongue opponents. People like Huey Long and Father Coughlin. The paranoia about Obama is real and it's absolutely insane.
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Kreuzueber Halbmond Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:14:43pm |
Does Pamela go anywhere nowadays without her little sidekick 'feegnome' Spencer?
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Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:15:11pm |
re: #22 nines09
At what point does the Borders sign on the podium drop off in shame? Protectors of the Constitusion don't need no Constitusion.
What is it with the talking heads that they want more legislation and troops to guard a bookstore chain? I know that B&N kicks their ass in places, but are they suddenly expecting an influx of Mexican drug gangs to come piling in and take over their cafes?
// ;)
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:15:40pm |
re: #35 Kreuzueber Halbmond
lol feegnome.Excellent on so many levels.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:16:00pm |
Signing a treaty supercedes the Constitution?
Since when?
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Amory Blaine Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:16:10pm |
Wow. How can someone of such stupidity hold sway in the MSM? Excellent clip.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:17:14pm |
re: #39 Amory Blaine
Wow. How can someone of such stupidity hold sway in the MSM? Excellent clip.
Because she's loud.
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yasharki Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:17:17pm |
Borders of all places?!? Why do people give her a platform for leaking lcdish gibberish on general population? She's incoherent, nonsensical, crazy person! WTF?!?
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Kragar Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:17:18pm |
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:17:19pm |
re: #35 Kreuzueber Halbmond
Does Pamela go anywhere nowadays without her little sidekick 'feegnome' Spencer?
To me he'll always be the living avatar of the Giftzwerg.
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Dante41 Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:17:45pm |
re: #19 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
How dare Obama exercise his lawfully appointed duties under the constitution! Next thing you know, judges will be arguing laws can be overturned just because they violate the constitution.
Hey now, that ain't Real 'Merica!
//
Also: Greetings from Seattle, Lizards. My trip on the Good Ship Golden Bear is nearing its end.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:17:49pm |
re: #41 yasharki
Borders of all places?!? Why do people give her a platform for leaking lcdish gibberish on general population? She's incoherent, nonsensical, crazy person! WTF?!?
Because it moves product.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:18:14pm |
re: #38 reine.de.tout
Signing a treaty supercedes the Constitution?
Since when?
Since right-wingers made it up? Kinda like Redemption... Populistic fraudulent schemes to appeal to the disgruntled masses.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:18:30pm |
re: #24 Charles
She might start saying "phenomenon" and forget where to stop. "Phenomenomenomenom... uh, phenom!"
Well, full disclosure -
That's what always happens to me when I try to say it.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:19:00pm |
re: #14 wlewisiii
That's why I love carrying my Cato Institute copy. It's always amusing to see the look on some peoples faces when they read it saying something other than what they say it does.
I keep this app handy on my iPhone. I even bought all of the extras, just for the added ammo when someone starts spouting nonsense about what some document supposedly says.
It's nice to have around.
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:19:20pm |
re: #38 reine.de.tout
Signing a treaty supercedes the Constitution?
Since when?
Maybe the NRA told them about it.
I got this call last spring. Good times with the hapless.
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Lidane Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:19:47pm |
re: #38 reine.de.tout
Signing a treaty supercedes the Constitution?
Since when?
Since these idiots stopped reading the Constitution.
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cliffster Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:19:49pm |
re: #24 Charles
She might start saying "phenomenon" and forget where to stop. "Phenomenomenomenom... uh, phenom!"
phenomena mena mena mena
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:19:55pm |
re: #46 000G
Since right-wingers made it up? Kinda like Redemption... Populistic fraudulent schemes to appeal to the disgruntled masses.
I'm just stunned.
How anyone can listen to her (or watch her rolling around in the surf) and then take anything she says seriously, is beyond me.
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:19:55pm |
I know folks have been saying for awhile that "The Right's gone crazy." No, my friends, the Right's been crazy, they've just been given a bigger megaphone, courtesy of the GOP and the "Tea Party."
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:19:59pm |
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Kragar Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:20:53pm |
re: #52 reine.de.tout
I'm just stunned.
How anyone can listen to her (or watch her rolling around in the surf) and then take anything she says seriously, is beyond me.
Its a cunning stunt
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:21:04pm |
Pamz: "I'm a pheenom. You pay my fee, and I go nomnomnom on your brain."
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windsagio Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:22:00pm |
re: #53 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I know folks have been saying for awhile that "The Right's gone crazy." No, my friends, the Right's been crazy, they've just been given a bigger megaphone, courtesy of the GOP and the "Tea Party."
Quoted for Great Justice.
It's been this way since the mid'60s, just coming visible now (I blame Newt and "OMGABLACKGUYISPRESIDENT")
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Targetpractice Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:22:05pm |
re: #56 Cato the Elder
Pamz: "I'm a pheenom. You pay my fee, and I go nomnomnom on your brain."
God, now all we need is somebody to find an appropriate picture for an LOLCat parody.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:23:06pm |
re: #52 reine.de.tout
I'm just stunned.
How anyone can listen to her (or watch her rolling around in the surf) and then take anything she says seriously, is beyond me.
It's a matter of being inside the cult or looking at it from the outside, I guess. Confirmation bias overrides any cognitive dissonance. You basically already checked out your potential for critical thought when you submitted to the "Geller-thing" with an "I want to believe" attitude.
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Dante41 Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:23:23pm |
re: #56 Cato the Elder
Pamz: "I'm a pheenom. You pay my fee, and I go nomnomnom on your brain."
...Brilliant!
*picture of the Guinness guys*
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:23:59pm |
re: #35 Kreuzueber Halbmond
Does Pamela go anywhere nowadays without her little sidekick 'feegnome' Spencer?
See the pic Charles posted on a post yesterday.
They're stuck together.
She in full-on faux-model let-me-look-as-thin-as-possible pose.
Robert hoping his wife doesn't see it.
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What, me worry? Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:24:02pm |
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:25:01pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:25:11pm |
I love that the guy keeps pressing her until she goes off into platitudes about the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. I imagine him looking like this:
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:26:32pm |
re: #24 Charles
i so wish I could find the video from SNL with that "song" phenomena in it.
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Neutral President Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:26:53pm |
re: #57 windsagio
Quoted for Great Justice.
It's been this way since the mid'60s, just coming visible now (I blame Newt and "OMGABLACKGUYISPRESIDENT")
Move zig?
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elbruce Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:27:14pm |
re: #30 Charles
By the way, there are reports that former Chairman of the Republican National Committee Ken Mehlman is coming out of the closet. Admitting to being gay even as he ran a host of anti-gay initiatives for the GOP.
At this point, I'm just assuming that all the people running anti-gay groups are gay. The whole gay rights thing is just a bunch of closeted gays trying to rouse confused religious people into oppressing some other gays for them. I think if it was explained to the religious people that way (with so many examples by now) they might decide to get well out of the whole issue.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:27:16pm |
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wrenchwench Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:27:33pm |
re: #61 reine.de.tout
See the pic Charles posted on a post yesterday.
They're stuck together.
She in full-on faux-model let-me-look-as-thin-as-possible pose.
Robert hoping his wife doesn't see it.
He's got a wife?
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elbruce Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:28:16pm |
re: #61 reine.de.tout
See the pic Charles posted on a post yesterday.
That dude looks suspiciously Ay-Rab.
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DaddyG Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:29:00pm |
re: #17 Charles
Too many syllables in "phenomenon."
Depends. What is the blood alcohol level of the speaker?
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Kreuzueber Halbmond Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:31:07pm |
re: #61 reine.de.tout
They're joined at the hip and they're hip to hate.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:31:33pm |
re: #69 wrenchwench
He's got a wife?
I actually have no clue.
I've never seen a wife mentioned anywhere.
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DaddyG Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:32:08pm |
re: #45 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Because it moves product.
Don't be so cynical. It moves product and services. /
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Kragar Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:32:08pm |
Beck: Obama not a real Christian
Beck, a convert, has never experienced how it feels when someone challenges the legitimacy of your religion.
Or if he has, perhaps he doesn't care. He's willing to do whatever it takes to generate turnout for his media events and build his media empire.
"The president apparently has a deeply held belief that his salvation cannot come without a collective salvation," Beck said Tuesday night. "I don't know what that is," he continued, "other than it's not Muslim, it's not Christian. It's a perversion of the gospel of Jesus Christ as most Christians know it."
Not so fast.
You could convene a room of theologians and have a robust debate on the nature of salvation across traditions, over time, and find lots of evidence of people of faith (including Christians) believing that the concept of salvation is more expansive than Beck's theological demagoguery makes it out to be. Even Mormons don't actually believe that we enter heaven alone. In Mormon theology, eternal marriage is crucial to eternal salvation. And many orthodox Mormons I know speak of Christ's atonement as an infinite event not contracted to the individual but covering collective suffering and loss, including the suffering humans intentionally and unintentionally cause one another.
But you'll never find such a robust, thoughtful discussion in the world of Glenn Beck.
It's Beck who is perverting Christianity by opportunistically casting doubt on the sincerity, honesty, and legitimacy of Barack Obama, a man who has as good as grounds as he does (if not better, in the eyes of America) to call himself a Christian.
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RadicalModerate Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:32:15pm |
re: #34 HappyWarrior
The Becks, Limbaughs, and Gellers of the country remind me of learning about many of FDR's demeongue opponents. People like Huey Long and Father Coughlin. The paranoia about Obama is real and it's absolutely insane.
The 1930s had some of the weirdest political alliances in existence.
Father Coughlin was a antisemitic far-right winger (who used his radio broadcasts to champion fascists like Mussolini and Hitler).
Huey Long, on the other hand, was opposed to FDR's policies because they didn't go far enough - Long was well to the left of FDR on economic and social policies - examples are his "Every Man a King" and "Share our Wealth" platforms. Long had a strong political machine to be sure, but were comparable to the New York and Chicago machines of the early 20th century.
Also, keep in mind that Coughlin's Union Party was formed after Long's assassination in 1935.
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pharmmajor Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:33:03pm |
Penn Jillette has a message for Ms. Geller:
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:34:47pm |
Wingnuts imagine a late night meeting at the White House:
Obama: "Ahh! Is everything in readiness for Operation JFK-Brady?
Holder: "Yes sir. It launches in Maine at first light and rolls west from there."
Obama: "Too bad we can't go in the middle of the night. This will give the wingnuts out west too much warning!"
Holder: "We considered launching nationwide at midnight, but the SEIU and ACORN teams don't know the suburbs well enough to find the targets in the dark. We have plenty of backup though, the Panthers and the UN peacekeepers are in position if there's any resistance."
Obama: "Excellent! We'll have all their guns by tomorrow night and they will be helpless! Then we can launch Operation O'Hair to get rid of the Bibles and Chick tracts....."
Lowly Intern (sweating): "Er, sirs, I hate to be presumptuous and all but isn't this unconstitutional?"
Obama: "YOU IGNORANT SLUT! Don't you know we covered that when we signed that 'North American Protocol for the Suppression of Dangerous Weapons and Radio Hate-Speech' with Cuba and Canada? Holder, where did you find this idiot?"
Holder: "Sorry, sir. He was recommended by a friend from Chicago."
Obama: "I don't care if he's Chomsky's illegitimate nephew. Off to the gulag with him! You do have that ready, don't you?"
Holder: "Yes, sir. FEMA has 500,000 spaces ready for tomorrow."
Obama: "I wonder if that's enough. Oh well, it doesn't matter. We can just liquidate the surplus if you know what I mean. Buwaahaahaa!"
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:34:50pm |
re: #70 elbruce
That dude looks suspiciously Ay-Rab.
I think he is of Lebanese Christian descent?
Anyone know?
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DaddyG Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:35:38pm |
re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
"It's a perversion of the gospel of Jesus Christ as most Christians know it."
Holy crap Beckman! That's in the top five of most frequently used anti-Mormon screeds. Do you really want to go there?
Damn.
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Ben G. Hazi Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:38:42pm |
re: #80 DaddyG
"It's a perversion of the gospel of Jesus Christ as most Christians know it."
Holy crap Beckman! That's in the top five of most frequently used anti-Mormon screeds. Do you really want to go there?
Damn.
Beck hoping the morons that listen to/watch him don't notice...
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RogueOne Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:39:14pm |
re: #31 000G
Equally brilliant is this other video in which she rants about Obama's transnationalism and internationalism: [Link: mediamatters.org...]
MediaMatters is getting really good stuff lately. Limbaugh ranting about the Right's Islamophobia being the glorious next Cold War amidst some yammering about housing prices: [Link: mediamatters.org...]
Glenn Beck ranting about G'd washing the nation with blood but he doesn't have to: [Link: mediamatters.org...] and Cavuto calling him the Howard Beale he is: [Link: mediamatters.org...]
Hate to keep repeating myself but when you accept a site that you know is a partisan site you open yourself up to all sorts of stupidity. Until people stop giving any traffic to sites like MM and Breitbart our national discourse will continue to get dumber and dumber.
Beck was paraphrasing Lincolns 2nd inaugural address, Beck even said it which should have been a major hint. I know google is hard for some but here's the link:
[Link: avalon.law.yale.edu...]
Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."
That lincoln fellow was obviously a nut.
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DaddyG Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:44:03pm |
re: #75 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir) Thanks for posting this. The writer (who grew up Mormon) is spot on about the problems with Beck's statements.
Even as a convert I have never subscribed to the view that others can define your relationship with God as more or less correct than theirs.
Ultimately the correctness of your theology and your adherance to it can only be judged by you and God.
I know I already posted on this but I am stunned at this incredibly bad form.
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yasharki Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:44:13pm |
I wonder has anyone ever confronted Pammy & Co. with actual biblical texts? Their biggest argument against Islam is intolerance and severe punishments preached by koran.
Have they even read the Torah? It's chuck full of God's instructions for utter annihilation of entire tribes (elders, women, children, and even animals included). There's a commandment to stone blasphemers to death, something they're blaming Islam of preaching!
Why hasn't anyone pointed this out in answer to their arguments?
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DaddyG Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:44:45pm |
re: #81 talon_262
Beck hoping the morons that listen to/watch him don't notice...
It is spelled Mormon, m-o-r-m-o-n! /
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:46:12pm |
re: #32 prairiefire
If he comes out as a liberal, then I'll be really impressed.
Molly Ivins used to comment that there were towns in Texas where gays wouldn't come out of the closet for fear folks would think they might be Democrats.
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:46:24pm |
re: #84 yasharki
I wonder has anyone ever confronted Pammy & Co. with actual biblical texts? Their biggest argument against Islam is intolerance and severe punishments preached by koran.
Have they even read the Torah? It's chuck full of God's instructions for utter annihilation of entire tribes (elders, women, children, and even animals included). There's a commandment to stone blasphemers to death, something they're blaming Islam of preaching!
Why hasn't anyone pointed this out in answer to their arguments?
When was the last time somebody was stoned in accordance with the Levitical commandments?
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Kragar Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:46:49pm |
Let me quote the president if I may — "let me be clear" — President Obama is not a Muslim. I'm taking his word that he is a Christian. But here's where it falls apart for many Americans: It's a Christianity that most Americans just don't recognize.
I'm not spreading that rumor. I'm telling you what he has told people. I'm telling you now the people he has surrounded himself.
...
BECK: All right. Now, it's this kind of ideology that we got from Jeremiah Wright, which makes sense because Jeremiah Wright is the church that Barack Obama found Jesus at — quote, "Kneeling beneath the cross of the south side of Chicago, I felt God's spirit beckoning me. I" — and key words here — "I submitted myself to his will, and dedicated myself to discovering his truth."Even that statement is confusing — submission. Submission to his will. That's Islam.
...
America, let me ask you a personal question: If you found Jesus, and you didn't believe anything, and you found Jesus through Jeremiah Wright and sat there for 20 years and your close personal friend and spiritual adviser was Richard Pfleger and now, your current spiritual adviser is Reverend Jim Wallis, do you think your friends might be confused because that's not what they hear in their church?When you're getting Christianity from that trio, after growing up in a family environment — no fault of his own — where your father is a Muslim, an atheist, your mother at least is not practicing any religion, your stepfather is non-practicing Muslim, your grandparents in frequent something called the "Little Red Church," I don't even — I mean, is there any wonder why so many Americans are confused by him? They don't recognize him as a Christian. No.
...
Don't be confused by this. Don't confuse this with "he's a Muslim." I don't believe he is. You have to learn his theology. Learn his influences. Learn who he has surrounded himself with his whole life. More knowledge, not less. More access to information, not less.You see, it's all about victims and victim-hood; oppressors and the oppressed; reparations, not repentance; collectivism, not individual salvation.
I don't know what that is, other than it's not Muslim, it's not Christian. It's a perversion of the gospel of Jesus Christ as most Christians know it.
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Dante41 Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:48:20pm |
re: #87 Alouette
When was the last time somebody was stoned in accordance with the Levitical commandments?
No idea, but I do notice that the people who quote Leviticus the most suddenly become very well versed in what Jesus said about forgiveness when Leviticus is turned back on them.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:48:27pm |
re: #53 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I know folks have been saying for awhile that "The Right's gone crazy." No, my friends, the Right's been crazy, they've just been given a bigger megaphone, courtesy of the GOP and the "Tea Party."
All those birchers, they never went away, they just didn't have the internet to assist their spread of crazy
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RogueOne Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:48:27pm |
re: #77 pharmmajor
Penn Jillette has a message for Ms. Geller:
[Video]
Penn Jillette and Christopher Hitchens are my heroes.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:49:35pm |
re: #79 reine.de.tout
I think he is of Lebanese Christian descent?
Anyone know?
Spencer? Think the family is Maronite, but I could be totally mistaken.
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theheat Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:49:43pm |
re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist
When you have Ann Coulter as your poster girl at the Log Cabin GOP, I might stay under the radar, too. Lesser of two evils.
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DaddyG Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:51:25pm |
re: #89 Dante41
No idea, but I do notice that the people who quote Leviticus the most suddenly become very well versed in what Jesus said about forgiveness when Leviticus is turned back on them.
I will own up to thinking the new testament was a good idea in a lot of ways. But to your point - a document written to govern fuedal tribes is not the best yardstick to judge a modern society by. Even with the New Testament there is a whole lot of context that needs to be understood lest we make huge fools of ourselves.
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yasharki Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:52:19pm |
re: #87 Alouette
That's not the point I'm trying to make. What I'm saying is that the original monotheistic text calls for stoning of blasphemers. What you are pointing out is a perfect argument against judging religions based purely on literal translation of it's holy scriptures.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:52:34pm |
re: #87 Alouette
When was the last time somebody was stoned in accordance with the Levitical commandments?
That's a reasonable criticism, but people don't follow it logically when talking about Islam. When you talk about reformers, and moderates, and Muslim countries with modern legal systems and such, they revert back to "But it's in the text! And they have to believe the text!"
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RogueOne Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:52:53pm |
re: #95 yasharki
That's not the point I'm trying to make. What I'm saying is that the original monotheistic text calls for stoning of blasphemers. What you are pointing out is a perfect argument against judging religions based purely on literal translation of it's holy scriptures.
Do jews still go around stoning blasphemers and apostates?
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Digital Display Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:53:36pm |
Good Evening Lizards!
re: #91 RogueOne
Hi Rogue! How are you? It's official 30 days I'm gone from Indiana.. I signed the contract with the moving company...
Do you think Charles will let me change my nic to OklahomaHoops?
*wink*
Or ThunderHoops? Or Soonerhoops?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:53:55pm |
re: #84 yasharki
I wonder has anyone ever confronted Pammy & Co. with actual biblical texts? Their biggest argument against Islam is intolerance and severe punishments preached by koran.
Have they even read the Torah? It's chuck full of God's instructions for utter annihilation of entire tribes (elders, women, children, and even animals included). There's a commandment to stone blasphemers to death, something they're blaming Islam of preaching!
Why hasn't anyone pointed this out in answer to their arguments?
I've given up pointing out the wild contradictions in religious texts when we get these Pamela Geller/Fred Phelps/Pat Robertson/James Dobson psychos. They don't care. To these people, the bible is a prop, the torah is a prop, the koran is a prop. These aren't scholars, they're carnival barkers. Their power comes from manipulating angry and stupid mobs. It has nothing to do with religion and everything to do with power.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:53:59pm |
re: #97 RogueOne
Do jews still go around stoning blasphemers and apostates?
We must secretly want to! It says it right in the text!
///
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theheat Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:54:02pm |
re: #97 RogueOne
I've been a stoned blasphemer in the company of Jews. Does that count?
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RogueOne Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:54:12pm |
re: #98 HoosierHoops
Good Evening Lizards!
Hi Rogue! How are you? It's official 30 days I'm gone from Indiana.. I signed the contract with the moving company...
Do you think Charles will let me change my nic to OklahomaHoops?
*wink*
Or ThunderHoops? Or Soonerhoops?
ThunderHoops would rule.
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yasharki Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:54:40pm |
re: #97 RogueOne
Not that I know of, why do you ask? If you have something to say say it!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:54:49pm |
re: #101 theheat
I've been a stoned blasphemer in the company of Jews. Does that count?
ahaha well done
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Dante41 Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:55:35pm |
re: #94 DaddyG
I will own up to thinking the new testament was a good idea in a lot of ways. But to your point - a document written to govern fuedal tribes is not the best yardstick to judge a modern society by. Even with the New Testament there is a whole lot of context that needs to be understood lest we make huge fools of ourselves.
Oh, no doubt. I was just saying that these "Christians" that preach nothing but bigotry using Leviticus as a crutch have a remarkable ability to actually remember what Jesus taught when their own rhetoric gets turned back on them.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:55:48pm |
re: #96 SanFranciscoZionist
That's a reasonable criticism, but people don't follow it logically when talking about Islam. When you talk about reformers, and moderates, and Muslim countries with modern legal systems and such, they revert back to "But it's in the text! And they have to believe the text!"
Bigotry needs those talking points to grease its wheels!
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elbruce Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:56:26pm |
re: #97 RogueOne
Do jews still go around stoning blasphemers and apostates?
Ask the guy who shot Yitzhak Rabin.
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Dante41 Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:56:46pm |
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Vicious Babushka Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:57:23pm |
re: #97 RogueOne
Do jews still go around stoning blasphemers and apostates?
Jews do not interpret the scriptures literally. There are millennia-old exegetical texts arguing over every nuance of the Hebrew scriptures.
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Digital Display Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:57:46pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:58:22pm |
re: #88 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I like how Glenn Beck is essentially just coming out and saying the president of the united states has some cosmic muslim taint, like he was infected by his father
We really have a lot of really broken people in this country, that this guy's a national figure
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theheat Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:58:36pm |
re: #114 HoosierHoops
I like the HH thing you have going. Sounds like the name of a cattle baron's ranch.
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wrenchwench Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:59:07pm |
re: #96 SanFranciscoZionist
That's a reasonable criticism, but people don't follow it logically when talking about Islam. When you talk about reformers, and moderates, and Muslim countries with modern legal systems and such, they revert back to "But it's in the text! And they have to believe the text!"
Pamz manages to get whatever she wants out of the Constitution, yet she doesn't allow the same flexibility for others.
What a hypocrite.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:59:33pm |
re: #115 WindUpBird
I like how Glenn Beck is essentially just coming out and saying the president of the united states has some cosmic muslim taint, like he was infected by his father
We really have a lot of really broken people in this country, that this guy's a national figure
Its confusing, you see. Very very confusing.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 2:59:48pm |
re: #110 elbruce
Ask the guy who shot Yitzhak Rabin.
A political assassination isn't the same thing as a legal execution for religious crimes.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:01:18pm |
re: #112 Alouette
Jews do not interpret the scriptures literally. There are millennia-old exegetical texts arguing over every nuance of the Hebrew scriptures.
Now, what the excuse of the American Protestant Biblical Literalist is, I couldn't tell you.
Jews have an actual legal system based off the text.
Oddly, so do Muslims, but that doesn't seem to help the Gellers of the world as they insist that 'sharia' represents each Muslim's personal responsibility to carry out the less pleasant parts of the Koran as interpreted by Robert Spencer.
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elbruce Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:01:23pm |
re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist
A political assassination isn't the same thing as a legal execution for religious crimes.
I bet you anything that the guy who shot him thought he was doing it for a specific violation of his interpretation of religious law. That said, whatever interpretation that is, is stoopid.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:02:26pm |
Enright's Classmates: Alleged Cabbie Slasher Had History Of Alcohol Abuse
He's had problems in the past with alcohol but had been sober and in recovery.I'm not sure when he picked up drinking again. I saw him after he had
gotten back from Afganistan from filming his doc, he was happy to be
back and had fond memories of the Afghan children.
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Kragar Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:02:35pm |
re: #121 elbruce
I bet you anything that the guy who shot him thought he was doing it for a specific violation of his interpretation of religious law. That said, whatever interpretation that is, is stoopid.
The jackass who killed the doctor who performed abortions thought the same thing.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:02:36pm |
re: #14 wlewisiii
That's why I love carrying my Cato Institute copy. It's always amusing to see the look on some peoples faces when they read it saying something other than what they say it does.
That was especially true while working for the census this summer - they'd get their Rush Talking Points all a flutter when they read that bit (Art. 1, Sec. 2, Clause 3).
You're welcome. Next time you see me, you can buy me a beer.
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elbruce Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:02:55pm |
re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist
Now, what the excuse of the American Protestant Biblical Literalist is, I couldn't tell you.
Jews have an actual legal system based off the text.
Oddly, so do Muslims, but that doesn't seem to help the Gellers of the world as they insist that 'sharia' represents each Muslim's personal responsibility to carry out the less pleasant parts of the Koran as interpreted by Robert Spencer.
And many of these same Christians who complain about sharia are the same ones who want "God in our courtrooms and our schools," try to get the Ten Commandments put up in judicial buildings, etc.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:03:28pm |
re: #118 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Its confusing, you see. Very very confusing.
I'm just so confused that there's people in this country that aren't white guys in the south, it's all very baffling to me
I mean, there's more than one culture here? No! None of that here in America! We can't have that, we must have a monoculture, we must reject anyone who's exercising freedoms and relaying experiences that are different, that's not what America stands for. America must all eat the same way, fuck the same way, and live the same way! Manhattan must be made the same as Louisville!
America stands for everyone acting and behaving the same, doing the same thing, and ESPECIALLY worshipping in the same way, at the same buildings, with the same texts!
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theheat Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:05:12pm |
re: #125 elbruce
Don't forget, defending the War on Christmas is just around the corner.
They live for that shit.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:06:02pm |
re: #121 elbruce
I bet you anything that the guy who shot him thought he was doing it for a specific violation of his interpretation of religious law. That said, whatever interpretation that is, is stoopid.
Amir was 'religiously' motivated, yes, but there is a real distinction--as there is between a guy in Des Moines who beats his wife to death because he thinks she's cheating and quotes his Bible, and a legally enforced stoning for adultery in Iran.
The problem is that the Gellers of the world refuse to draw any such distinction--but only when it comes to Islam.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:06:07pm |
re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist
Now, what the excuse of the American Protestant Biblical Literalist is, I couldn't tell you.
Jews have an actual legal system based off the text.
Oddly, so do Muslims, but that doesn't seem to help the Gellers of the world as they insist that 'sharia' represents each Muslim's personal responsibility to carry out the less pleasant parts of the Koran as interpreted by Robert Spencer.
I've lost count of the number of islamic religious terms that have been co-opted by these freaks
Basically, these days, if anyone who identifies themselves as right wing starts tossing around "facts" about Islam and islamic terms? I pretty much assume they're lying and getting all their shit from other guys on the radio or blogs that have no idea what they're talking about
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:06:47pm |
re: #125 elbruce
And many of these same Christians who complain about sharia are the same ones who want "God in our courtrooms and our schools," try to get the Ten Commandments put up in judicial buildings, etc.
Sure. They're not opposed to sharia because it's religious, they're opposed to sharia because it's the wrong religion.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:07:19pm |
re: #127 theheat
Don't forget, defending the War on Christmas is just around the corner.
They live for that shit.
All hail the magic flying fat man who breaks into my home, gives me bicycles and eats my baked goods
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:08:05pm |
re: #127 theheat
Don't forget, defending the War on Christmas is just around the corner.
They live for that shit.
Ah, God bless Toby Keith:
I can't believe what Christmas
Has come to today
All these atheists and judges
Tryin' to take it away
No carols in our public schools
No trees in city hall
And they wish you Season's Greetings
At the shopping mall
Ain't you sick of it all?
Well, there's a War on Christmas
It's under attack
But this year America is taking it back
Separate church and state
That's what some lawyer said
I say it's time we separated him from his head
You can call me un-Christian
But that's not true
'Cause have I got a present for you
It's the thought that counts!
Christmas is as American as apple pie
It's the late December version of the
Fourth of July
And they may go by a different name
But Uncle Sam and Santa Claus
Are one and the same
So boys, take aim!
Well, there's a War on Christmas
It's under attack
But this year America is taking it back
Separate church and state
That's what some liberal said
I say it's time we liberated him from his head
You can call me un-Christian
But that's not true
Buddy, I got a present for you
I hope it's the right size!
Oh say can you see this Christmas
Baby Jesus, 'tis of thee
I'm placing 50 shining stars atop
The Statue of LiberTree
Then I'll go and jingle the Liberty Bell
Host Old Glory with an elf
If you say I can't deck my halls
Then I'll deck you myself!
Well, there's a War on Christmas
It's under attack
But this year old St. Nicholas is taking it back
He's firing guns from his reindeer
Dropping bombs from his sled
This year if you're are not then you're as good as dead
He wears red and white
But you can throw in blue
And has he got a present for you
St. Toby's got one too!
Yeah, we got a present for you
As in the A-C-L-U
Easy Rudolph!
Down, boy!
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:09:00pm |
re: #129 WindUpBird
I've lost count of the number of islamic religious terms that have been co-opted by these freaks
Basically, these days, if anyone who identifies themselves as right wing starts tossing around "facts" about Islam and islamic terms? I pretty much assume they're lying and getting all their shit from other guys on the radio or blogs that have no idea what they're talking about
As far as I can tell--and I can't read too much of these guys, because I get frenetic--Robert Spencer is the rotten little heart of all this 'knowledge'.
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elbruce Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:09:04pm |
re: #127 theheat
Don't forget, defending the War on Christmas is just around the corner.
They live for that shit.
Me too. I'm gonna load up my Festivus pole rocket launcher and then go Atheism caroling.
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Digital Display Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:09:37pm |
re: #131 WindUpBird
All hail the magic flying fat man who breaks into my home, gives me bicycles and eats my baked goods
I've been a little nervous about Santa climbing in the bathroom window after he came out of the closet and now is openly Gay..
//
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RogueOne Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:09:38pm |
re: #100 SanFranciscoZionist
We must secretly want to! It says it right in the text!
///
How about the parts about raining death and destruction upon sodomites? I'm not jewish so I wouldn't know and there isn't a very large contingent in Indiana. Although I did pass a small farm in the middle of nowhere this weekend that has a sign in the front yard that said "we stand with israel!" so they do have a small fan club I guess.
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allegro Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:10:38pm |
re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist
Holy moly... what is it with these guys and violence? Say Happy Holidays and get freaking bludgeoned?
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elbruce Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:11:15pm |
re: #129 WindUpBird
Basically, these days, if anyone who identifies themselves as right wing starts tossing around "facts" about Islam and islamic terms? I pretty much assume they're lying and getting all their shit from other guys on the radio or blogs that have no idea what they're talking about
The only thing more obnoxious than people telling everyone else they have to switch to their religion is people telling other people how they have to practice their religion.
The wingnut "facts about Islam" would be like if I went around telling Christians that they have to bomb abortion clinics or they're not really Christian.
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RogueOne Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:11:18pm |
re: #112 Alouette
Jews do not interpret the scriptures literally. There are millennia-old exegetical texts arguing over every nuance of the Hebrew scriptures.
I was fishing. Yasharki knows why. I'm a hoosier, not an idiot.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:12:10pm |
re: #132 SanFranciscoZionist
What can one even say to this, hahaha
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:13:56pm |
re: #134 elbruce
Me too. I'm gonna load up my Festivus pole rocket launcher and then go Atheism caroling.
I've always wanted to have an old-fashioned Chanumas.
Observance of this holiday season starts on erev Thanksgiving, when the Head of the Household (the sages say that all who are bar or bat mitzvah) wtites a ritual letter to the President of the United States offering to pay down the National Debt in return for being made Chief Rabbi of Israel. This is in memory of the High Priests Jason and Menaleus, who actually pulled the same stunt with King Antiochus IV, and thus set in motion the events that led up to Channukah. [Of course, it is forbidden to actually mail this letter, unless, of course, you want to be included on the U.S. Secret Service's "nutcase list."]
The day after Thangkgiving is called "Black Friday," named in honor of the holy frum ("black-hatter") Jews who are inconvienced in their Shabbos shopping by the increased traffic.
From this point until 10 days after the Winter Solistice, it is considered meritorious to buy things you don't need and give them to people you don't like. It is also considered equally meritorious to return unwanted gifts to the store. This is a mitzvah, as it provides gainful employment to store clerks and inmates of the Chinese penal system, who manufactured the gifts in the first place. It is obligatory for Jews to only buy items at discounted price. This requirement is optional for Gentiles.
Truly frum observance of Chanumas involves lighted displays on the house in the front and back yards. It is considered meritorious to leave one's sukkah standing through Chanumas, so one can reuse the lights without having to put them out twice. It is said that Rabbi Menachem Mistletoe had a particularly compelling display, which consisted a a statue of a Maccabean warrior with his foot on the chest of a prostrate Antiochus, about to plunge his sword through the villain's heart, and an inscription in blinking LED lights: "Peace on Earth: because we won!!"
An important aspect of Chanumas is that, even though one is required to be at his or her normal place of employement during the season, it is forbidden that any real work actually get done. The normal minhag is for each department to hold Chanumas parties that are essentially potluck lunches that last until quitting time. Some organizations hold additional Chanumas parties off-hours at offsite locations, but Beis Hillel says this is nothing more than a cheap attempt to avoid legal liability for the actions of inebriated guests. Beis Shammai says this proves that what America needs is tort reform and to send the trial lawyers to Siberia.
Because dairy foods and alcohol are traditional for Chanukkah (in commemoration of the Jewish woman of valor who fed the Greek general cheesecake and wine, got him drunk, and chopped off his head), and becuase eggnog (an alcoholic dairy beverage) is traditional for Christmas, it is obligatory for all who celebrate Chanumas properly to drink eggnogg until they cannot tell the difference between Judah Maccabee and Santa Claus.
Chanumas gifts are not delivered by Santa Claus, "Harry Channukah," "Father Mattithias," or any other individual associated with either Channukah or Christmas. Rather they are delivered by Mr. Ten Li Chao, who runs the gift workshops of the Chinese Prison System. Mr. Chao rides around the world in a flying container ship powered by large marine diesel engines, lands on everyones roof, picks the lock on the fornt door, and spreads the gifts out. Little girls and boys who are nice get a free copy of Chairman Mao's "Little Red Book," children who are naughty get a chance to work as one of Mr. Chao's "elves."
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:14:20pm |
re: #142 SanFranciscoZionist
The gifts themselve are placed under the Chanumas bush. This is not a piece of shrubbery, rather it is a life size effigy of President George W. Bush. It is considered meritorious, but optional, depending on political affiliation, to decorate the Chanumas bush by inserting voodoo pins into the effigy.
As for December 25, the actual day of Chanumas, there are very few fixed observances. Many like to serve a festive meal of roast goose, latkes, plum pudding, and a green vegetable. However, the truly pious will eat out at a Chinese restaurant in commemoration of Mr. Ten Li Chao and go to a movie theatre and watch a movie.
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RogueOne Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:14:39pm |
I hit the grocery store on the way home so I can grill out. My wife just informed me I forgot the ketchup, cheese, and hamburger buns...basically half the stuff I went in to get. On the plus side I did remember the beer and toilet paper.
Off to the store!
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yasharki Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:14:42pm |
re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist
"Jews have an actual legal system based off the text.
Oddly, so do Muslims, but that doesn't seem to help the Gellers of the world as they insist that 'sharia' represents each Muslim's personal responsibility to carry out the less pleasant parts of the Koran as interpreted by Robert Spencer."
Exactly what I was trying to say, Thank you!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:14:42pm |
Ah, remember the Toby Keith/Dixie Chicks feud?
Let's see on one hand: faker country guy with power fantasies who has a theme restaurant in Vegas, on the other hand, actual authentic musicians who can play their instruments so well they can peel the flesh from Toby Keith's face
I'm on the side of those who rock. Toby Keith rocks the way grandpas rock in their rocking chairs
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elbruce Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:15:08pm |
re: #136 RogueOne
How about the parts about raining death and destruction upon sodomites? I'm not jewish so I wouldn't know and there isn't a very large contingent in Indiana.
Sascha Baron Cohen has said that he was in even more real danger during this part of the movie than when he interviewed a guy from the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades.
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cliffster Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:15:49pm |
re: #144 RogueOne
I hit the grocery store on the way home so I can grill out. My wife just informed me I forgot the ketchup, cheese, and hamburger buns...basically half the stuff I went in to get. On the plus side I did remember the beer and toilet paper.
Off to the store!
good - beer is critical. toilet paper, not so much
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Nimed Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:17:02pm |
re: #82 RogueOne
Hate to keep repeating myself but when you accept a site that you know is a partisan site you open yourself up to all sorts of stupidity. Until people stop giving any traffic to sites like MM and Breitbart our national discourse will continue to get dumber and dumber.
Breitbart and MM are indeed partisan sites, and that's where similarities end. It's specious to lump Breitbart blatant distortions and character assassination attempts with Media Matters (or with some conservative watchdogs, for that matter).
Beck was paraphrasing Lincolns 2nd inaugural address, Beck even said it which should have been a major hint. I know google is hard for some but here's the link:
[Link: avalon.law.yale.edu...]
That lincoln fellow was obviously a nut.
Except that Beck is not paraphrasing Lincoln -- this isn't a case where context clarifies Beck's statements. He is using the "Lincoln said it" trick while stating something that's not even close Lincoln's message (which was about slavery). The only similarities between Lincoln's speech and Beck's rant is that, if God wills it, the country will be washed with blood.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:18:37pm |
re: #146 WindUpBird
I have been to his little theme restuarant in vegas it's in harrahs, It was the most hilariously eye searing thing, it was sorta like a jingoistic Red Robin, it looks like if Fox News had a bar
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Digital Display Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:19:35pm |
re: #148 cliffster
good - beer is critical. toilet paper in Iraq, not so much
/unfortunately, I've heard the stories
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:20:12pm |
haha equating Mediamatters with breitbart
Wow, want some jack daniels to go with that tu quoque?
I don't remember Mediamatters spearheading a racist witchhunt, does anyone else?
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Ben G. Hazi Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:20:22pm |
re: #116 theheat
I like the HH thing you have going. Sounds like the name of a cattle baron's ranch.
Add one more H, he'd a be a wrestler: HHH (or Triple H)
;-P
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elbruce Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:20:25pm |
re: #149 Nimed
Breitbart and MM are indeed partisan sites, and that's where similarities end.
The contrasts however, are breathtaking. Breitbart takes longer video and audio and edits them down to only show the selected context. MM takes shorter clips and finds the longer version to include context, making sure they're preserved online so the Breitbart's cant' lie about what they said later on. They're not only on different ideological sides, they're doing exactly the opposite thing.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:20:47pm |
re: #136 RogueOne
How about the parts about raining death and destruction upon sodomites? I'm not jewish so I wouldn't know and there isn't a very large contingent in Indiana. Although I did pass a small farm in the middle of nowhere this weekend that has a sign in the front yard that said "we stand with israel!" so they do have a small fan club I guess.
I'm not sure what the question is. Rephrase?
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Neutral President Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:21:11pm |
re: #146 WindUpBird
Ah, remember the Toby Keith/Dixie Chicks feud?
Let's see on one hand: faker country guy with power fantasies who has a theme restaurant in Vegas, on the other hand, actual authentic musicians who can play their instruments so well they can peel the flesh from Toby Keith's face
I'm on the side of those who rock. Toby Keith rocks the way grandpas rock in their rocking chairs
Which contributed me to gaining 7 pounds the 3 days I was in Vegas. However, they serve beer and booze in very large mason jars... It's hard to dislike the guy because of that.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:21:36pm |
re: #137 allegro
Holy moly... what is it with these guys and violence? Say Happy Holidays and get freaking bludgeoned?
That WAS for the Colbert Christmas Special, so I'm giving Mr. Keith the benefit of the doubt.
Of course, Ann Coulter did once say that saying Merry Christmas in NYC was like saying "Fuck you".
To which I can only say, Merry Christmas, Ms. Coulter.
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Dante41 Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:21:49pm |
re: #150 WindUpBird
I have been to his little theme restuarant in vegas it's in harrahs, It was the most hilariously eye searing thing, it was sorta like a jingoistic Red Robin, it looks like if Fox News had a bar
That's the thing, though. He's an outspoken Democrat. I mean, have you seen the video for "American Ride"?
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Dante41 Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:22:35pm |
re: #157 SanFranciscoZionist
That WAS for the Colbert Christmas Special, so I'm giving Mr. Keith the benefit of the doubt.
Well, that does change the context a bit.
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elbruce Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:23:47pm |
re: #157 SanFranciscoZionist
Of course, Ann Coulter did once say that saying Merry Christmas in NYC was like saying "Fuck you".
I think she got it backwards; she doesn't seem to "get" New Yawkers: saying "Fuck You" to somebody in NYC is more like saying "Marry Christmas."
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:26:42pm |
re: #134 elbruce
Me too. I'm gonna load up my Festivus pole rocket launcher and then go Atheism caroling.
You are quite a funny guy. Despite our getting off on the wrong foot, I appreciate that.
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:27:02pm |
re: #24 Charles
She might start saying "phenomenon" and forget where to stop. "Phenomenomenomenom... uh, phenom!"
Could be a difficult word to pronounce when one has chugged too much vodka before hand.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:28:48pm |
re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist
I can't believe you of all people think the locution "based off" is legitimate.
I used to have a minor seizure every time I saw that in an editing text.
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reine.de.tout Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:36:21pm |
re: #143 SanFranciscoZionist
The gifts themselve are placed under the Chanumas bush. This is not a piece of shrubbery, rather it is a life size effigy of President George W. Bush. It is considered meritorious, but optional, depending on political affiliation, to decorate the Chanumas bush by inserting voodoo pins into the effigy.
As for December 25, the actual day of Chanumas, there are very few fixed observances. Many like to serve a festive meal of roast goose, latkes, plum pudding, and a green vegetable. However, the truly pious will eat out at a Chinese restaurant in commemoration of Mr. Ten Li Chao and go to a movie theatre and watch a movie.
Oh, golly.
So if I, a good Catholic girl, have eaten at a Chinese restaurant on Christmas Day (because the turkey was frozen solid) - what does that make me?
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Digital Display Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:39:09pm |
re: #164 reine.de.tout
Oh, golly.
So if I, a good Catholic girl, have eaten at a Chinese restaurant on Christmas Day (because the turkey was frozen solid) - what does that make me?
A secret Presbyterian...
/
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Dante41 Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:44:22pm |
re: #164 reine.de.tout
Oh, golly.
So if I, a good Catholic girl, have eaten at a Chinese restaurant on Christmas Day (because the turkey was frozen solid) - what does that make me?
Well fed.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:55:45pm |
re: #163 Cato the Elder
I can't believe you of all people think the locution "based off" is legitimate.
I used to have a minor seizure every time I saw that in an editing text.
Oh dear. I do apologize.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:56:06pm |
re: #164 reine.de.tout
Oh, golly.
So if I, a good Catholic girl, have eaten at a Chinese restaurant on Christmas Day (because the turkey was frozen solid) - what does that make me?
A truly pious observer of Chanumas?
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abolitionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 3:56:07pm |
re: #120 SanFranciscoZionist
Now, what the excuse of the American Protestant Biblical Literalist is, I couldn't tell you.
Jews have an actual legal system based off the text.
Oddly, so do Muslims, but that doesn't seem to help the Gellers of the world as they insist that 'sharia' represents each Muslim's personal responsibility to carry out the less pleasant parts of the Koran as interpreted by Robert Spencer.
I found an interesting source about the nature of jihad in recent decades:
The Far Enemy
Why Jihad Went Global
Excerpt:
Thus Zawahiri was not the only young jihadi to adopt Qutb’s expansive definition of jihad as a perpetual war and a personal obligation. In the eyes of the new ideologues, jihad ceases to be a collective endeavor and is transformed into an individual journey and a path to self-realization and purification. In his trial, Abdel Rahman, a radical cleric who acted as the spiritual guide to Egyptian jihadis from the 1970s until the early 1990s, publicly lectured the judges that Sadat’s killers had a duty, not just a right, to take matters into their own hands: “Any Muslim who observes his society not to be governed by the Shariah [Islamic law] must struggle hard [pursue jihad] to apply it, and he is not required to be a scholar.” Disputing the government’s assertion, Abdel Rahman reminded his audience that there is no church and no hierarchy in Islam and that believers can directly interpret the texts with no recourse to the established authority; jihad is very much an individual obligation and does not need blessing by the clerical community.It would not be an exaggeration to say that jihadis look up to Qutb as a founding, spiritual father, if not the mufti, or theoretician, of their contemporary movement. Qutb’s Milestones provided the religious justification for jihadist groups, like Egyptian al-Takfeer wal-Hijira (Excommunication and Hegira, or the Society of Muslims, led by Shukri Mustafa, an agronomist), Tanzim al-Jihad and Jama’a al-Islamiya, and Algerian Armed Islamic Group, which appropriated his concepts of hakimiya and jahiliya and used them as ammunition in their ideological and political struggle against Muslim rulers. In the eyes of Islamic activists, Milestones is symbolically powerful because it was the last book written by Qutb before his execution and so is seen as his final “will” to future generations. Ironically, Qutb’s Arab biographers agree that of all his texts, Milestones is the weakest and the least rigorous intellectually, and that it includes one old idea, jahili society, which he rehashes in a long literary monologue form. But that is part of the strength and appeal of Milestones to young activists who hunger for radical, simplistic notions that challenge classical interpretations of the Islamic canon and allow them to go directly to the sacred texts without mediation or intervention by the religious authority. As one Arab writer said, Qutb’s importance to jihadis lies in “daring” to neutralize the fiqh and providing jihadis with direct access to the original texts, which they utilized as absolute weapons against “impious regimes.”
[snip]Here Faraj presented a new idea: that jihad was the way to establish an Islamic state, while the classical conception of jihad required the existence of an Islamic authority to do so. Next, Faraj makes the case for jihad as a personal, not just collective, duty because now the near enemy (Muslim rulers) occupies the country. Historically, the classical view held that jihad was a collective duty that could be activated only if outside enemies threatened or invaded Muslim lands. But Faraj turned the classical view on its head
[snip]
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elbruce Wed, Aug 25, 2010 6:16:22pm |
re: #169 abolitionist
I found an interesting source about the nature of jihad in recent decades:
The Far Enemy
Why Jihad Went GlobalExcerpt:
At a mosque I visted once for an interfaith dinner (delicious!) I was perusing some of their literature, and it seems that most Muslims (or at least the type I was hanging with) view the term "jihad" to refer to a personal struggle. "Jihad" simply means "struggle," btw. For example, I could have a jihad to quit smoking, or a jihad to lose ten pounds. As a concept, it's very applicable to religious practice.
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RogueOne Wed, Aug 25, 2010 6:58:07pm |
re: #149 Nimed
Breitbart and MM are indeed partisan sites, and that's where similarities end. It's specious to lump Breitbart blatant distortions and character assassination attempts with Media Matters (or with some conservative watchdogs, for that matter).
Except that Beck is not paraphrasing Lincoln -- this isn't a case where context clarifies Beck's statements. He is using the "Lincoln said it" trick while stating something that's not even close Lincoln's message (which was about slavery). The only similarities between Lincoln's speech and Beck's rant is that, if God wills it, the country will be washed with blood.
I only listened to the 2 minute clip of the Beck statement and MM stretched the truth of what Beck said. It's what they do, it's what all the sites like that do. Some want to believe their idiots are better than the others sides idiots but the truth is, they're idiots and taking what they say at face value makes you look like a partisan idiot, a sheep, a tool of the establishment. I'm not talking about you necessarily but there are always the same few people who always want to jump to their defense when any reasonable person can see the reality and this isn't even a close call. Does Beck say crazy things? Sure, I don't listen to him but I'm willing to agree anyway. Does MM routinely distort what is being said? Of course, it took 10 seconds to do a google search for Lincolns 2nd Inaugural address and after reading it and listening to the short snippet it was easy to see where he was going and it wasn't to claim that god was going to rain down fire and brimstone on the unbelievers unless we repent. I didn't even take the time to read the other 2 MM stories, I don't know why anybody would.
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RogueOne Wed, Aug 25, 2010 7:00:00pm |
re: #152 WindUpBird
haha equating Mediamatters with breitbart
Wow, want some jack daniels to go with that tu quoque?
I don't remember Mediamatters spearheading a racist witchhunt, does anyone else?
Sigh, you're right. They only mislead and lie on a regular basis. No reason not to take their stories at face value. Continue on....
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RogueOne Wed, Aug 25, 2010 7:05:56pm |
re: #152 WindUpBird
haha equating Mediamatters with breitbart
Wow, want some jack daniels to go with that tu quoque?
I don't remember Mediamatters spearheading a racist witchhunt, does anyone else?
BTW, I don't think "tu quoque" means what you think it means. The discussion was MM not Breitbart therefore the "tu quoque" wouldn't apply. Now if we take you're argument
I don't remember Mediamatters spearheading a racist witchhunt, does anyone else?
...then the tu quoque would apply.
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yasharki Wed, Aug 25, 2010 7:57:51pm |
re: #170 elbruce
How can one come to a conclusion that a certain term is interpreted in a particular way by rather large group of individuals while "perusing" undefined writings at a dinner hosted by "types" you hang with?
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elbruce Wed, Aug 25, 2010 8:54:29pm |
re: #171 RogueOne
I only listened to the 2 minute clip of the Beck statement and MM stretched the truth of what Beck said.
All they did was post a 2:03 clip of Beck talking. That's all that's there. They didn't stretch or twist anything. Here's the link again.
The webpage consists of the title Beck: "God will wash this nation with blood if he has to, but he doesn't have to", then it says "From the August 25 edition of Premiere Radio Networks' The Glenn Beck Program:" then there's the embedded audio clip. That's it. That's all that's there; what Beck said, all of it, in context. After that it goes straight to comments.
Saying that MM is "stretching" anything is like saying that your mirror makes you look ugly. It's just a mirror. You're ugly. Get over it.
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elbruce Wed, Aug 25, 2010 8:55:35pm |
re: #174 yasharki
How can one come to a conclusion that a certain term is interpreted in a particular way by rather large group of individuals while "perusing" undefined writings at a dinner hosted by "types" you hang with?
Did you miss the words "pamphlet" and "interfaith dinner?" This was their literature. And they weren't "types," they were people.
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yasharki Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:16:47pm |
re: #176 elbruce
Pamphlet was easy to miss being absent and all, still curious how you managed to read up on, converse about, and ultimately decide what upward of billion people call "jihad", all at a dinner party.
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elbruce Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:02:30pm |
re: #177 yasharki
Pamphlet was easy to miss being absent and all, still curious how you managed to read up on, converse about, and ultimately decide what upward of billion people call "jihad", all at a dinner party.
Well, I took the word of the people who actually have that religion instead of you.
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po8crg Thu, Aug 26, 2010 1:04:21am |
If anyone's wondering where this nonsense is coming from, it's a misinterpretation of the Supremacy Clause:
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
The "argument" is that the Constitution is supreme, the laws are subject to it (because they are made "in Pursuance thereof") but the treaties aren't because they aren't so qualified. It's an utterly tortured interpretation of the language which no court has ever accepted.
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ClaudeMonet Thu, Aug 26, 2010 2:06:35am |
re: #55 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Its a cunning stunt
For a second there I thought you wrote, "It's a stunning..."
re: #86 SanFranciscoZionist
Molly Ivins used to comment that there were towns in Texas where gays wouldn't come out of the closet for fear folks would think they might be Democrats.
Just one more example of Ivins' selective memory. For many, many years, the Democrats dominated Texas politics just as they did in most Southern states. She has always struck me as a self-loathing Texan.
re: #97 RogueOne
Do jews still go around stoning blasphemers and apostates?
Only if they don't donate "enough" to the building fund each year. Or, if they're Reform or Humanistic Jews, voting for a Republican also counts.
re: #153 talon_262
Add one more H, he'd a be a wrestler: HHH (or Triple H)
;-P
Or the late, often great Hubert Horatio Humphrey
re: #164 reine.de.tout
Oh, golly.
So if I, a good Catholic girl, have eaten at a Chinese restaurant on Christmas Day (because the turkey was frozen solid) - what does that make me?
A temporary, honorary Jew. Just make sure your neighbors don't find out.
I tend to eat at the same Chinese buffet each Christmas Day (because it's good, it's open, and it's near my place). A couple of years ago, I had a great laugh when I realized that it was Christmas, and this Jew had just finished reading the Secular Humanist Bulletin while surrounded by a crowd that was mostly Hispanic. Only in America!
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Aug 26, 2010 3:56:03am |
re: #82 RogueOne
Hate to keep repeating myself but when you accept a site that you know is a partisan site you open yourself up to all sorts of stupidity. Until people stop giving any traffic to sites like MM and Breitbart our national discourse will continue to get dumber and dumber.
Beck was paraphrasing Lincolns 2nd inaugural address, Beck even said it which should have been a major hint. I know google is hard for some but here's the link:
[Link: avalon.law.yale.edu...]
That lincoln fellow was obviously a nut.
You are falling for Beck's co-opting of the Abolition and Civil Rights movements. Lincoln did not say anything close to what Beck was saying and Beck was not "paraphrasing" Lincoln, either.
MediaMatters, however, did merely quote Beck. They distorted nothing. Yes, they write up distorting op-eds and occasionally quote "out of context" (which, curiously enough, is the essence of a quote, but I shall not expand on that). But they did certainly not distort in this case. They simply just quoted and thereby exposed the lunacy that Beck is selling.
If you do not like somebody's speech, you can try to persuade them so that he will speak differently, you can ask them to not speak foolishly anymore, but if all that fails: Just quote them. Quote them relentlessly.
I will grant you that this strategy in itself generates a certain kind of obessive lust and indulgence in moral outrage, but that is besides the point.
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