Overnight Video: We Gotta Stop Those Muslims
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The most inadvertently funny country-western anti-mosque music video ever.
499 comments
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:31:18pm |
I love the late 80’s production value of this video.
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elbruce Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:32:35pm |
This is right out of Team America: World Police.
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:32:52pm |
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tnguitarist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:32:54pm |
I can’t bring myself to watch, if even for MST3K value.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:33:13pm |
re: #1 JasonA
I love the late 80’s production value of this video.
I love 70’s porn. I know what you’re saying.
/night all
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tnguitarist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:33:38pm |
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:35:30pm |
“The only kind of rockin’ America should do is the kind that we can all dance to, yeah!”
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:36:57pm |
Anyone notice how it’s these people doing their damndest to remind us of 9/11?
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:37:44pm |
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SpaceJesus Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:38:46pm |
saw this at somethingawful a week ago or so. i still don’t believe it’s real
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:39:20pm |
re: #10 JasonA
I couldn’t believe myself at first.
I knew going in it was because of Charles’ inadvarently funny comment but damn watching it, it was as bruce just put it straight out of Team America.
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Dancing along the light of day Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:39:44pm |
re: #11 SpaceJesus
Well, they don’t believe in you, either!
Hi SJ!
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elbruce Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:40:26pm |
I can’t believe Toby Keith wasn’t involved in this thing. Capitalizing on gibbering, frothing right-wing rage is kind of his schtick. He might actually have a trademark violation suit for this.
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:41:13pm |
lmfao@ the highest rated comments:
Soooo… Ground Zero is like Christian holy ground?
this is the catchiest religious persecution I’ve ever heard
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HappyWarrior Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:43:06pm |
The thing that this song and what people have said that bugs me is that they act like only Christians died on 9-11. There were plenty of Muslim victims too and to the asshats I don’t mean the terrorists.
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:45:26pm |
If we let ‘em build it
Well can’t ya see
They’ll make Nine Eleven
Into a mockery
You assclowns are doing that better than they ever could. I’m not even joking about that.
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elbruce Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:47:53pm |
Here’s my response to the anti-mosque music video:
Freedom isn’t free. No, there’s a hefty fucking fee.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:48:26pm |
If this is “music”, pray that Allah will soon dominate the land and ban music.
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blueraven Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:48:44pm |
I bet this ass will be playing with Governor Huckabee on his Fox show soon.
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:48:49pm |
re: #18 elbruce
Here’s my response to the anti-mosque music video:
[Video]Freedom isn’t free. No, there’s a hefty fucking fee.
Pretty sure that’s the B-side, no?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:48:53pm |
If we agree to selectively apply the 1st Amendment only to favored classes/religions, then the terrorists have won.
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SpaceJesus Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:53:53pm |
re: #13 Floral Giraffe
fools! feel my youtube commenting fury!
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:55:59pm |
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Tiny alien kittens are watching you Wed, Aug 25, 2010 10:58:06pm |
Well…uhh…that made me feel kinda sick…
Why did they “slap” the Statue of Liberty? What the eff did she have to do with any of this? :(
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sagehen Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:00:07pm |
re: #8 JasonA
Anyone notice how it’s these people doing their damndest to remind us of 9/11?
That’s cause within hours after, Bush had a 90% approval rating.
They’ve convinced themselves it was desire for strong daddy Republicans to protect us when we’re scared, when really it was rally-round-the-flag and it would have been the same for whoever was sitting in the White House when we got attacked.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:01:51pm |
After listening to that clap I’m going to have to clean out my ears… hmmm, how about a little commie music to balance the mind///
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:04:31pm |
re: #28 freetoken
Hey. That’s kind of nice.
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LotharBot Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:06:06pm |
As a Christian and a Republican, this disgusts me. Not the mosque. The anti-mosque, anti-religious-freedom bulls**t coming from “my side”.
Anyone know of a way I can tangibly contribute to building the mosque/community center?
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freetoken Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:06:07pm |
re: #29 JasonA
Those old codgers have more musical talent in one of their bowel movements than the ideo-muzishuns of the wingnuttia.
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:07:15pm |
10 seconds into the video and I’m already involuntarily flinching.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:08:23pm |
My stomach is churning from both being manipulated with images of 9/11, and also the images of 9/11, and I want to make snide comments about the skills of the musicians involved, but I’d probably be much nicer about their work if I agreed with their message.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:08:38pm |
re: #30 LotharBot
As a Christian and a Republican, this disgusts me. Not the mosque. The anti-mosque, anti-religious-freedom bulls**t coming from “my side”.
Anyone know of a way I can tangibly contribute to building the mosque/community center?
You can donate coin. Don’t have the link, but a quick googling should reveal it to you.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:10:05pm |
re: #31 freetoken
Those old codgers have more musical talent in one of their bowel movements than the ideo-muzishuns of the wingnuttia have in their entire body of work.
PIMF
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:10:55pm |
re: #31 freetoken
Those old codgers have more musical talent in one of their bowel movements than the ideo-muzishuns of the wingnuttia.
Can we please life this useless embargo? Let this place be a great vacation destination like it used to be?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:12:24pm |
“On September 11th, terrorists tried to change America forever…”
And now? The far right reactionaries seem determined to finish what Al Q started. Fuck it, who needs Constitutional rights any way?
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:12:24pm |
re: #33 SanFranciscoZionist
My stomach is churning from both being manipulated with images of 9/11, and also the images of 9/11, and I want to make snide comments about the skills of the musicians involved, but I’d probably be much nicer about their work if I agreed with their message.
No. If a cause I strongly believed in produced something that shitty I would still mock it relentlessly. Maybe even more so since it would make something I cared about a laughingstock.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:13:06pm |
re: #26 ausador
Well…uhh…that made me feel kinda sick…
Why did they “slap” the Statue of Liberty? What the eff did she have to do with any of this? :(
See, she doesn’t actually represent ‘Liberty Enlightening the World’, she represents…something else.
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elbruce Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:13:12pm |
re: #30 LotharBot
As a Christian and a Republican, this disgusts me. Not the mosque. The anti-mosque, anti-religious-freedom bulls**t coming from “my side”.
Anyone know of a way I can tangibly contribute to building the mosque/community center?
Maybe we need a version of the Cordoba Initiative for Christianity. Wait, that would be the Methodists, nvm.
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:13:46pm |
re: #36 JasonA
Can we please lift this useless embargo? Let this place be a great vacation destination like it used to be?
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elbruce Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:17:04pm |
re: #39 SanFranciscoZionist
See, she doesn’t actually represent ‘Liberty Enlightening the World’, she represents…something else.
An illegal immigrant from France trying to smuggle foreigners into America? Git ‘er!
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:18:53pm |
More my taste in patriotic music, there are some technical glitches but the power is undeniable.
Youtube Video
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freetoken Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:20:21pm |
re: #36 JasonA
Can we please life this useless embargo? Let this place be a great vacation destination like it used to be?
Shhhh…. don’t let Mandy see you write that…
Some people argue that lifting the embargo now would be wrong because the Castro regime is about to fall.
However, I would point out that most of the nations in the world freely trade with Cuba (except for military supplies), and there is no end of Europeans vacationing in Cuba.
While in Japan I took group dance/exercise classes from a superb Cuban dancer/teacher. Really outstanding in many ways. Unfortunately of course he can’t travel to the US, which is a shame.
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Nimed Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:20:24pm |
re: #15 JasonA
lmfao@ the highest rated comments:
Sooo… Ground Zero is like Christian holy ground?
this is the catchiest religious persecution I’ve ever heard
lol. And it’s actually not that easy to find a single approving comment.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:20:27pm |
re: #7 goddamnedfrank
“The only kind of rockin’ America should do is the kind that we can all dance to, yeah!”
I think this pathetically shitty attempt to co-opt honorable folk-rock-country themes in support of fascism can only be countered by the Doobie Brothers:
I got laid off of this song more than several times. Greater praise hath no man.
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:20:52pm |
From a YouTube poster:
Bambu002
1 hour ago
Don’t eat taco’s at the Alamo.
It’s a disgrace to anyone from San Antonio.
When you have that enchilada or burrito,
it’s a slap in the face to Texan heroes.
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:20:59pm |
re: #43 Shiplord Kirel
Yeah, that one really does make me feel something. Really nice to hear Peter Jennings’ voice again. I liked him.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:21:54pm |
re: #44 freetoken
Some people argue that lifting the embargo now would be wrong because the Castro regime is about to fall.
1. It is?
2. So, we duke it out with Fidel to the bitter end because we couldn’t actually kill him back in the day?
3. I’d love to see Havana without having to go with one of these moonbat delegations.
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:22:34pm |
re: #44 freetoken
Shhh… don’t let Mandy see you write that…
Some people argue that lifting the embargo now would be wrong because the Castro regime is about to fall.
However, I would point out that most of the nations in the world freely trade with Cuba (except for military supplies), and there is no end of Europeans vacationing in Cuba.
While in Japan I took group dance/exercise classes from a superb Cuban dancer/teacher. Really outstanding in many ways. Unfortunately of course he can’t travel to the US, which is a shame.
Unless he gets here on an inner tube. Then he gets to stay. Gah!
And I really don’t give a crap what Mandy hears me say. heh.
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tnguitarist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:24:41pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:25:05pm |
LEO: How many Cubans exactly have crammed themselves into these fishing boats?
JOSH: It’s important to understand, Leo, that by and large they’re not fishing boats. You hear fishing boats and you conjure an image of, well a boat, first of all. What the Cubans are on could charitably be described as rafts. Okay? They’re making the hop from Havana to Miami in fruit baskets basically, let’s just be clear on that.
LEO: We are.
JOSH: Donna’s desk, if it could float, would look good to them right now.
LEO I get it. How many are there?
JOSH: We don’t know.
LEO: What time exactly did they leave?
JOSH: We don’t know.
LEO: Do we know when they get here?
JOSH: No.
LEO: (pause) True or False: If I were to stand on high ground in Key West with a good pair of binoculars, I’d be as informed as I am right now.
JOSH: That’s true.
LEO: The intelligence budget’s money well spent, isn’t it?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:25:29pm |
TOBY: For God’s sakes, forget about the journey. The voyage is not our problem.
CJ: What’s our problem?
TOBY: What to do when the Nina, the Pinta and the Get Me the Hell Out Of Here hit Miami.
TOBY: You think that the United States is under attack from 12,000 Cubans in rowboats?
SAM: I’m not saying I don’t like our chances.
TOBY: Mind boggling to me that we ever won an election.
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elbruce Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:25:40pm |
re: #44 freetoken
Some people argue that lifting the embargo now would be wrong because the Castro regime is about to fall.
Some people have been making exactly that argument for over 50 years.
re: #44 freetoken
However, I would point out that most of the nations in the world freely trade with Cuba (except for military supplies), and there is no end of Europeans vacationing in Cuba.
Nonsense! Everybody knows that they are completely isolated, cut off and suffering endlessly because Americans can’t have dealings with them! //
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:26:42pm |
re: #49 SanFranciscoZionist
1. It is?
2. So, we duke it out with Fidel to the bitter end because we couldn’t actually kill him back in the day?
3. I’d love to see Havana without having to go with one of these moonbat delegations.
And when I say moonbat delegations, I’m thinking of a specific group from the Bay Area Jewish Community that goes to visit the Cuban Jewish community, and while I want all the best for the Cuban Jewish community, I couldn’t stand hanging with the Americans who go.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:26:57pm |
Back from a time when pop music, even if mindless, at least wasn’t condescendingly, mind-numbingly pathetic:
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:28:42pm |
re: #54 elbruce
Some people have been making exactly that argument for over 50 years.
re: #44 freetoken
Nonsense! Everybody knows that they are completely isolated, cut off and suffering endlessly because Americans can’t have dealings with them! //
My own personal theory, developed with the help of a lizard (cliffster?) is that Castro is actually a vampire.
I may write a novel based on this theory at some point.
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elbruce Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:28:57pm |
re: #49 SanFranciscoZionist
3. I’d love to see Havana without having to go with one of these moonbat delegations.
Yeah, taking a boat down there with Michael Moore so he can yell at Gitmo with a bullhorn isn’t my idea of a dream cruise. (ref: Sicko)
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freetoken Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:29:43pm |
re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist
I for one haven’t ruled out that we are still punishing Castro for the assassination of JFK.
Nearly all conspiracy theories I dismiss out of hand, but this is not one of them.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:32:03pm |
re: #59 freetoken
I for one haven’t ruled out that we are still punishing Castro for the assassination of JFK.
Nearly all conspiracy theories I dismiss out of hand, but this is not one of them.
Yeah, well, there are middle-aged Cubans with grandkids now who weren’t alive when the assassination happened, so if that’s it, we’re being pretty ugly. Why didn’t we just make Fidel’s head in a basket a term when the Soviet Union collapsed?
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Pavlovian Hive Mind Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:32:52pm |
re: #60 Cato the Elder
Screw’ you’ and’ your’ apostrophe’ hating’ self’
/’/’/’
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:34:06pm |
JOSH: Victory is mine! Victory is mine! Great day in the morning people. Victory is mine!
DONNA: Good morning, Josh.
JOSH: I drink from the keg of glory, Donna. Bring me the finest muffins and bagels in all the land.
DONNA: It’s gonna be an unbearable day.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:34:30pm |
re: #62 Varek Raith
Screw’ you’ and’ your’ apostrophe’ hating’ self’
/’/’/’
Well, I will admit that they make a tasty, savory addition to down-home scrapple. But you have to catch ‘em fresh!
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:34:47pm |
Bartlet: CJ, on your tombstone, it’s going to read: “Post hoc, ergo, propter hoc.”
CJ: okay, but none of my vistitors are going to be able to understand my tombstone.
Bartlet: Twenty-seven lawyers in the room, anyone know what “post hoc ergo propter hoc” means? Josh?
Josh: Ah, post, after hoc, ergo, therefore…After hoc, therefore something else hoc.
Bartlet: Thank you. Next. Leo
Leo: After it, therefore because of it.
Bartlet: After it, therefore because of it. It means one thing follows the other, therefore it was caused by the other. But it’s not always true. In fact, it’s hardly ever true.
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tnguitarist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:35:29pm |
re: #64 Cato the Elder
Well, I will admit that they make a tasty, savory addition to down-home scrapple. But you have to catch ‘em fresh!
Must be fresh! Stay away from the commas, they’re sour.
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Nimed Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:35:30pm |
re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist
My own personal theory, developed with the help of a lizard (cliffster?) is that Castro is actually a vampire.
I may write a novel based on this theory at some point.
You could write a sequence where vampire Castro is on the verge of catching Our Hero, but he manages to narrowly escape into the Holy Burlington Coat Factory.
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Pavlovian Hive Mind Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:36:18pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:36:31pm |
re: #67 Nimed
You could write a sequence where vampire Castro is on the verge of catching Our Hero, but he manages to narrowly escape into the Holy Burlington Coat Factory.
The Muslim Holy Coat Factory defeats the vampire Commie through the power of its holiness and retail history. I like it.
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:36:42pm |
re: #60 Cato the Elder
Don’t, above all things, ever eat taco’s filled with extraneous apostrohe’s. It will turn you into Mandy or her psycho kid.
Noted.
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:37:11pm |
re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist
The Muslim Holy Coat Factory defeats the vampire Commie through the power of its holiness and retail history. I like it.
Castro cannot stand in the light of incredible savings!
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:37:29pm |
Sam: About a week ago I accidentally slept with a prostitute.
Toby: Really?
Sam: Yes.
Toby: You accidentally slept with a prostitute?
Sam: Call girl.
Toby: Accidently?
Sam: Yes
Toby: I don’t understand, did you trip over something?
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:38:47pm |
re: #72 SanFranciscoZionist
How much West Wing have you committed to memory?
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:39:23pm |
re: #73 JasonA
How much West Wing have you committed to memory?
Lots, but I’m pulling from the Internets here.
One more, and then I’ll quit:
Bartlet: CJ, I don’t mind the cost of this wolves-only highway, it’s the segregation. The ACLU is going to file a petition on behalf of some reindeer, and then we’re all screwed.
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:39:33pm |
re: #56 freetoken
Back from a time when pop music, even if mindless, at least wasn’t condescendingly, mind-numbingly pathetic:
Back when country-western wasn’t condescendingly, mind-numbing pathetic:
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abolitionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:42:08pm |
re: #61 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah, well, there are middle-aged Cubans with grandkids now who weren’t alive when the assassination happened, so if that’s it, we’re being pretty ugly. Why didn’t we just make Fidel’s head in a basket a term when the Soviet Union collapsed?
As part of out resolution of the Cuban Missile Crisis with the Soviets, Fidel got a pass.
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sagehen Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:42:59pm |
re: #69 SanFranciscoZionist
The Muslim Holy Coat Factory defeats the vampire Commie through the power of its holiness and retail history. I like it.
Because the vampire, super-clever master vampire, has special magical mystical protection from holy water, garlic and crosses.
But hummus and crescents!! This he was not prepared for!!
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Nimed Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:42:59pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:43:39pm |
re: #76 abolitionist
As part of out resolution of the Cuban Missile Crisis with the Soviets, Fidel got a pass.
You’d sort of think that killing the president the next year (I’m accepting the conspiracy theory here) might mean some terms of the deal were off.
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Pavlovian Hive Mind Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:43:59pm |
Shit.
First, grammer nazees.
Now, vampireists.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:44:23pm |
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:45:11pm |
re: #75 Shiplord Kirel
I have trouble thinking of Cash as Country. I know he was, but he knew how to write some intense songs. Like, heavy metal intense.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:46:15pm |
re: #83 JasonA
I have trouble thinking of Cash as Country. I know he was, but he knew how to write some intense songs. Like, heavy metal intense.
Country had edge, once upon a time.
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freetoken Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:46:24pm |
Still cleaning the ears out from the Project Shining City whine…
The name of the following song translates as “The Beach Song”, usually sung in a lullaby fashion if all the videos on Youtube mean anything, but here performed a bit more formally:
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sagehen Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:46:39pm |
re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist
Lots, but I’m pulling from the Internets here.
One more, and then I’ll quit:
Bartlet: CJ, I don’t mind the cost of this wolves-only highway, it’s the segregation. The ACLU is going to file a petition on behalf of some reindeer, and then we’re all screwed.
BARTLET: I’m just saying it could be worse. I could’ve been an astronaut.
ABBEY: (slightly amused, but concealing it) You could not have been an astronaut.
BARTLET: I’d have been a great astronaut.
ABBEY: You’re afraid of heights, speed, fire, and small places.
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tnguitarist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:46:55pm |
re: #83 JasonA
I have trouble thinking of Cash as Country. I know he was, but he knew how to write some intense songs. Like, heavy metal intense.
I despise country but I love Cash.
I grew up a metalhead, but things change. Don’t make me bust out some bluegrass.
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Nimed Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:47:04pm |
re: #82 SanFranciscoZionist
I wonder if you can get a turtleneck blessed by the Pope?
Probably not. Can’t find it on eBay.
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Pavlovian Hive Mind Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:47:16pm |
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:48:42pm |
re: #87 tnguitarist
I despise country but I love Cash.
I grew up a metalhead, but things change. Don’t make me bust out some bluegrass.
I’m not a country, but Cash must be respected.
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:48:53pm |
re: #90 JasonA
I’m not a country fan, but Cash must be respected.
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Pavlovian Hive Mind Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:49:42pm |
re: #90 JasonA
I’m not a country, but Cash must be respected.
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Pavlovian Hive Mind Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:50:06pm |
re: #92 Varek Raith
Huh, LGF eated my post.
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:50:10pm |
There are other videos on YT that oppose the “ground zero mosque,” and I’m being a good ‘murican by posting contrary views.
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:50:26pm |
re: #92 Varek Raith
Yes. I totally am not a sovereign citizen :(
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Cato the Elder Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:51:20pm |
re: #92 Varek Raith
I respect Cash in any form I can obtain it.
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:51:25pm |
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boredtechindenver Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:52:14pm |
I love me some Sorkin. I want to see how he writes the history of Facebook. “SportsNight” is a treasure even greater than “Arrested Developement”. Without “SportsNight” there would never had been “Nerrm”.
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tnguitarist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:52:35pm |
re: #90 JasonA
I’m not a country, but Cash must be respected.
I listen to bluegrass for the musicianship. Today’s country is nothing but Cowboy Hat Pop.
Skaggs is the man.
Youtube Video
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:52:53pm |
re: #96 sagehen
Johnny Cash vs Eazy E
[Video]
Okay, that’s all kinds of awesome. And the two styles of music I like the least are country and rap.
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Pavlovian Hive Mind Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:52:57pm |
re: #97 Cato the Elder
I respect Cash in any form I can obtain it.
Yeah, I like Cash.
Despite loathing country music as a whole.
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Four More Tears Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:54:15pm |
Cash doing NIN’s Hurt
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abolitionist Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:54:25pm |
re: #80 SanFranciscoZionist
You’d sort of think that killing the president the next year (I’m accepting the conspiracy theory here) might mean some terms of the deal were off.
I note that another significant player in that settlement with the Soviets (Bobby Kennedy) did not survive his presidential campaign.
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Eclectic Infidel Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:55:51pm |
g’night lizards. eclectic infidel OUT…hopefully like a light.
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AlexRogan Wed, Aug 25, 2010 11:56:04pm |
re: #60 Cato the Elder
Take all the swipes at Mandy that you want, especially when she deserves it, but leave her kid out of it…it makes you come off as a bully picking on someone that isn’t here to defend themselves.
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Pavlovian Hive Mind Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:01:17am |
Later gators.
Long work night + me = cranky.
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boredtechindenver Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:03:37am |
As far as I am concerned, the musical marriage of Johnny Cash and Rick Rubin produced some of the greatest songs ever. “Hurt” was the top of the mountain, but there are so many on all the albums that should have more recognition.
went looking for video of Johnny’s version of “Tennessee Stud” and ended up following links to this:
Simply amazing.
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Four More Tears Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:03:47am |
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Idle Drifter Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:04:22am |
Lovin’ Spoonful Summer in the City
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Four More Tears Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:04:40am |
I’ll leave you with Dave Matthews doing All Along the Watchtower in Central Park. I’m quite fond of their take on it.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:11:10am |
re: #11 SpaceJesus
saw this at somethingawful a week ago or so. i still don’t believe it’s real
Never forget never forgettin’
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:14:41am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:15:59am |
re: #109 boredtechindenver
I think Trent Reznor had something to do with that song ;-)
But yeah, big fan of Rick Rubin, there’d likely be no Slayer and no Danzig were it not for Rick Rubin
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:16:51am |
re: #102 Varek Raith
Yeah, I like Cash.
Despite loathing country music as a whole.
You might also like these guys
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:18:22am |
Lemme hear you sing it now!
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tnguitarist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:19:15am |
re: #115 WindUpBird
I think Trent Reznor had something to do with that song ;-)
But yeah, big fan of Rick Rubin, there’d likely be no Slayer and no Danzig were it not for Rick Rubin
Heh. Rubin almost ruined my favorite band.
They also claimed he wanted them to change their name to the Kobb Kounty Krowes… KKK…
Smart.
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Idle Drifter Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:20:04am |
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boredtechindenver Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:22:06am |
re: #115 WindUpBird
I think Trent Reznor had something to do with that song ;-)
Even Trent knows Johnny did “Hurt” in a way that he (Trent) never could, and made it his (Johnny’s) own. I paraphrase, “It is like losing your girlfriend.”
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elbruce Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:24:26am |
re: #101 JasonA
And the two styles of music I like the least are country and rap.
Checkit:
Not rap, but definitely hip-hop. And the kicker is, these guys are from Germany. They’re all German. They can actually barely speak English.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:25:45am |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:26:12am |
re: #121 boredtechindenver
Even Trent knows Johnny did “Hurt” in a way that he (Trent) never could, and made it his (Johnny’s) own. I paraphrase, “It is like losing your girlfriend.”
Oh i agree, the Cash version is the definitive version
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:27:36am |
re: #123 elbruce
The Germans are often in sync with me on matters musical :D
Who better to herald the return of Skinny Puppy but Germany
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:28:34am |
re: #125 WindUpBird
Oh i agree, the Cash version is the definitive version
Kermit gives it a run for the money:
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:29:15am |
re: #101 JasonA
Okay, that’s all kinds of awesome. And the two styles of music I like the least are country and rap.
I’m not the most gigantic rap fan on earth but there’s rap I just love to pieces
Whereas I really can’t listen to opera as music, also certain subgenres of electronic music I cannot stand
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:36:09am |
growing up in the Nashville suburbs country music just kinda grew on me. I hated it through most of high school then found a kris kristopherson album I liked and then Willy Nelson, and on from there
I’ve seen steve earl live about 5 times just because he tends to show up where Nashville liberals gather
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Idle Drifter Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:37:24am |
re: #127 Conservative Moonbat
Kermit’s come along way since “It isn’t easy being green.”
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boredtechindenver Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:39:29am |
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:39:48am |
re: #130 Idle Drifter
Kermit’s come along way since “It isn’t easy being green.”
He got in with the wrong crowd after Jim Henson died I think. Ms Piggy would drive any sane man to the needle after 20 years too.
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Idle Drifter Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:44:16am |
re: #132 Conservative Moonbat
He got in with the wrong crowd after Jim Henson died I think. Ms Piggy would drive any sane man to the needle after 20 years too.
Too bad he didn’t go out like Electric Mayhem when Floyd crashed his private plane into their touring bus. There was dignity in that.
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:46:54am |
re: #133 Idle Drifter
Too bad he didn’t go out like Electric Mayhem when Floyd crashed his private plane into their touring bus. There was dignity in that.
where was this?
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tnguitarist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:47:25am |
re: #129 Conservative Moonbat
growing up in the Nashville suburbs country music just kinda grew on me. I hated it through most of high school then found a kris kristopherson album I liked and then Willy Nelson, and on from there
I’ve seen steve earl live about 5 times just because he tends to show up where Nashville liberals gather
Steve Earle is his own genre.
As for Kristopherson…
Youtube Video
great song
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:54:55am |
Here’s some recent kistofferson:
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Idle Drifter Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:56:40am |
re: #134 Conservative Moonbat
where was this?
In the middle of the Arizona desert after they bailed in Pheonix when Lew Zealand showed up after a meth bender and hit Dr. Teeth from the upper balcony with a Pacific Salmon.
/Just running with the joke.
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tnguitarist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:59:30am |
re: #137 Idle Drifter
In the middle of the Arizona desert after they bailed in Pheonix when Lew Zealand showed up after a meth bender and hit Dr. Teeth from the upper balcony with a Pacific Salmon.
/Just running with the joke.
Everybody knows Animal was the meth head.
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Idle Drifter Thu, Aug 26, 2010 1:04:29am |
re: #138 tnguitarist
Everybody knows Animal was the meth head.
Then he got into PCP and things got really hairy!
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tnguitarist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 1:06:03am |
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Idle Drifter Thu, Aug 26, 2010 1:09:26am |
Sad Kermit - Something I Can Never Have
Got admit the guys behind Sad Kermit are pretty damn good at covering N.I.N.
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Aug 26, 2010 1:11:16am |
Hiroshima and Nagasaki clip from
Trinity and Beyond
.
I thought the choice of music for this was especially appropriate: Horror, purpose, doubt, and triumph all in one.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Aug 26, 2010 3:20:00am |
re: #36 JasonA
Can we please life this useless embargo? Let this place be a great vacation destination like it used to be?
We can’t return, we can only look behind
From where we came
And go round and round and round
In the circle game
- Joni Mitchell
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Aug 26, 2010 3:32:15am |
Talking point: This inane video is so shamefully creepy and perverse that it can only be part of a craven campaign of pro-mosque propaganda.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Aug 26, 2010 3:40:15am |
re: #60 Cato the Elder
Just when I thought you couldn’t sink any lower…
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Aug 26, 2010 3:56:32am |
You can’t make shit like this up:
Canadian Postal Union Joins Gaza Flotilla
By JTA
08/26/2010 13:44
TORONTO (JTA) — The Canadian Union of Postal Workers has joined a coalition of Muslim, Arab and human rights groups that plans on taking a boat to Gaza this autumn.
“Canadian civil society has a responsibility to fight the illegal Israeli blockade of Gaza and to expose the Canadian government’s unjustified support for Israel,” the coalition, which calls itself Canada Boat Gaza, said in a statement on its website. “The time has come to send a Canadian boat to challenge the blockade of Gaza, in coordination with similar international efforts.”
The postal workers union joined the effort after Canada Post announced earlier this month that it is suspending outgoing mail service to Gaza because its Israeli counterpart said delivery to the region was “unavailable.”
“Mail is something that’s important for people. It is contact with members of family and the outside world,” union president Denis Lemelin told the Toronto Star. “It’s always important to find an alternative, and this alternative is the boat to Gaza.”
The group says it needs $300,000 to carry out its mission.
jpost.com
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 4:13:01am |
My brother thought he made beef stew yesterday. It wasn’t bad, but I got some bad news for him….
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DrBoobooday Thu, Aug 26, 2010 4:22:40am |
I’m glad they chose an upbeat tempo for all their raging about death and doom. Otherwise this could have gotten depressing, what with all the fear-mongering and whatnot.
At least now you can dance … while you cry and tremble in fear, and drool down your chin.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Aug 26, 2010 4:23:30am |
Somebody explain this picture to me. I don’t understand the tradition(s) involved here.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 4:25:02am |
re: #150 000G
Somebody explain this picture to me. I don’t understand the tradition(s) involved here.
All I saw were the hot dog stands in the background.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 4:29:49am |
re: #150 000G
Bunch of men standing around, wearing funny clothes, against an entire group’s civil rights?
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Aug 26, 2010 4:35:13am |
re: #151 Cannadian Club Akbar
All I saw were the hot dog stands in the background.
Halal food is pretty popular among anti-mosque-peeps.
Seriously, though, my question still stands.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 4:38:26am |
Dear Florida State University, Fuck You. Regards, CCA.
bradenton.com
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 4:39:15am |
re: #154 000G
Halal food is pretty popular among anti-mosque-peeps.
Seriously, though, my question still stands.
I honestly have no idea.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Aug 26, 2010 4:46:58am |
Ann coulter World Net Daily slapfight!
Totally rooting for Ann Coulter, at least she’s occasionally funny, World Net Daily is basically a bunch of conspiracy theorists with fetal alcohol syndrome
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Thu, Aug 26, 2010 4:48:12am |
re: #153 Cannadian Club Akbar
Some people need to be slapped.
[Link: www.ksdk.com…]
It’s a time-honored American tradition to find the most galactically stupid people available, give them administrative jobs in the school system, and then tell them to find a way to pander to the lowest common denominator. It’s brought us such beloved memories as strip-searching an honor student suspected of being in possession of an Advil, and responding to a 9 year-old’s drawing of a soldier with a gun by putting the school on lock-down and bringing in the bomb-sniffing dogs.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 4:49:40am |
re: #157 WindUpBird
I know she’s a bomb thrower, but I think Ann is funny and says shit to get attention. And sell books. And guess what? It works.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:03:14am |
This makes me happy.
news.yahoo.com
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:06:09am |
If I jumped from a bridge and landed on rocks instead of the water, I would be pissed.
tampabay.com
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Gus Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:14:55am |
re: #162 Cannadian Club Akbar
If I jumped from a bridge and landed on rocks instead of the water, I would be pissed.
[Link: www.tampabay.com…]
Yes, but did he know that jumping over the side of the bridge would cause his death? Perhaps what is need is labeling on the bridge that indicates: WARNING, JUMPING OVER THE SIDE OF THE BRIDGE MAY CAUSE INJURY AND/OR DEATH.
//
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:16:23am |
re: #163 Gus 802
Yes, but did he know that jumping over the side of the bridge would cause his death? Perhaps what is need is labeling on the bridge that indicates: WARNING, JUMPING OVER THE SIDE OF THE BRIDGE MAY CAUSE INJURY AND/OR DEATH.
//
Heh. The thing is about 175 feet high. But to hit rocks? What a mess.
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Gus Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:19:14am |
re: #164 Cannadian Club Akbar
Heh. The thing is about 175 feet high. But to hit rocks? What a mess.
Ogrish. You ever see that film “The Bridge”? It’s about people that jumped over the side of the Golden Gate Bridge. Most of course died but they had one guy that survived. It’s a sad film but at the same time I got a case of vertigo just watching some of the footage. They actually show them jumping.
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(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:19:19am |
re: #160 Obdicut
That is so fucking funny.
What, the Halal food stand or the dudes with the “Destruction of America” and “Twelve Lost Tribes” signs?
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Randall Gross Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:20:13am |
This video makes a mockery of 9/11 — we are a country of free people, and we are unafraid. We don’t fear mosques, and we don’t fear terrorists. There’s no better refutation of Al Qaeda’s goals than to build a muslim community center there — it demonstrates more clearly than anything else could how little they made us fear. This is America, Resistance is Futile, and Muslims will be assimilated. None can resist the lure of our culture, our freedoms, and our future.
Our individual rights are protected by our constitution and it’s against people like the ones who made this video that they need protection from, so fuck them and fuck their cornpone candy ass video
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:20:21am |
re: #164 Cannadian Club Akbar
Heh. The thing is about 175 feet high. But to hit rocks? What a mess.
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Gus Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:23:42am |
Where’s KT?
Smallest frog in Asia discovered in Borneo
Image: _48875724_mini-frogafp.jpg
Tiny. Was just thinking how funny it is that we have these miniature self-contained autonomous biological “robots”. Maybe I need more coffee.
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garhighway Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:24:41am |
re: #157 WindUpBird
Ann coulter World Net Daily slapfight!
Totally rooting for Ann Coulter, at least she’s occasionally funny, World Net Daily is basically a bunch of conspiracy theorists with fetal alcohol syndrome
I respectfully disagree. This is the Iran - Iraq war of the right wing. Let them both lose.
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DaddyG Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:28:42am |
I’ve said it for years. Country Western music is the devil’s music.
You are all such Johnny Cash come latelys. /
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Ericus58 Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:29:29am |
Is anyone else having issues in regards to not having the “reply” and “quote” buttons available?
Reloaded several times, cleared cache and all…..
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:29:53am |
re: #171 DaddyG
I’ve said it for years. Country Western music is the devil’s music.
You are all such Johnny Cash come latelys. /
I once killed a six pack just to watch it die.
/
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Gus Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:29:59am |
This will make your head spin.
The font kind of has an Art Deco-Hitleresque feel to it.
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Ericus58 Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:30:23am |
AH! Nevermind, after making a post - they are now back….
weird…..
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garhighway Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:30:58am |
re: #172 Ericus58
Is anyone else having issues in regards to not having the “reply” and “quote” buttons available?
Reloaded several times, cleared cache and all…
I had some heavy weirdness at the front page, but once I entered a thread it went away. (I run Opera.)
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DaddyG Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:31:06am |
re: #30 LotharBot
As a Christian and a Republican, this disgusts me. Not the mosque. The anti-mosque, anti-religious-freedom bulls**t coming from “my side”.
Anyone know of a way I can tangibly contribute to building the mosque/community center?
I like that idea. This whole incident could have been an ensign of American religious freedom and a huge middle finger to the radicals and terorists. Instead we are showing our worst side to the world and confirming the fears of those who think we are at war with Islam.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:32:28am |
re: #177 DaddyG
I like that idea. This whole incident could have been an ensign of American religious freedom and a huge middle finger to the radicals and terorists. Instead we are showing our worst side to the world and confirming the fears of those who think we are at war with Islam.
And when the redo the building, let the CIA do the electrical work.
/
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DaddyG Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:33:00am |
re: #172 Ericus58
Is anyone else having issues in regards to not having the “reply” and “quote” buttons available?
Reloaded several times, cleared cache and all…
I hear the buttons get sticky when the FBI is reviewing all of your internet activity. It should pass once they are done downloading your comments.
/
I’m not having trouble this morning but I sometimes do.
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DaddyG Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:33:37am |
re: #178 Cannadian Club Akbar
And when the redo the building, let the CIA do the electrical work.
/
Ouch.
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Ericus58 Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:37:40am |
re: #176 garhighway
I had some heavy weirdness at the front page, but once I entered a thread it went away. (I run Opera.)
Yeah, the last several days there’s been a disturbance in the LGF Force…..
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DaddyG Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:39:09am |
re: #181 Ericus58
Yeah, the last several days there’s been a disturbance in the LGF Force…
Charles has forgotten to change the wood chips in the hamster cage and they are staging a work slowdown. At least thats what I read on Drudge.
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garhighway Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:40:37am |
The Weird World of Sports:
Jim Furyk’s cellphone battery dies, so he doesn’t get a wake up alarm, so he oversleeps and misses his tee time for the Pro-Am yesterday morning, so he gets DQ’d from the first round of the Fed Ex Cup playoffs.
That dead battery probably cost him several hundred thousand dollars.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:43:34am |
There is a go cart on Craig’s List for $250. 5 HP motor. I hate being poor.:(
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Winny Spencer Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:44:59am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:48:47am |
This is why Florida rules.
tampabay.com
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Ericus58 Thu, Aug 26, 2010 5:54:55am |
I just have to say, the playground mini-mobfest directed towards Mandy earlier in the thread was interesting. Was Mandy online and presenting a position that was off-base, some argument happening? Was Mandy even online?
There are opinions and positions that Mandy takes that I may not agree on or support. She is no different than other posters here - I, we all have agreements and disagreements between our fellow Lizards. Let me ask you all this: ever have a day where at one point you are updinging a Lizard and not too long after that you find the ding-finger itching to go mash the negative button on the same person?
I’m not aware of anyone else being subjected to specific ridicule like her. Getting all “Lord of the Flies” against one Lizard (especially when that Lizard isn’t even online or part of a discussion) is obsessive behavior. And this same attitude directed against another Lizard of the opposite political side to Mandy wouldn’t be tolerated.
Cato - for stomping on her kid with that comment has earned you a day of scorn. That was reprehensible.
And that’s sad, because I really liked the Doobie Brothers vid.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:04:24am |
re: #188 Ericus58
Agreed. If you’re gonna talk shit, do it when the person can defend themselves. And talking shit about someone’s kid or other family member is out of line. It is childish and low.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:05:23am |
Wow,10 minutes without a post!
I didn’t even make a comment and I killed the thread just
logging on!
I’ll go now…bye
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steve_davis Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:06:02am |
Sorry. I basically lost all respect for modern country music when I did some sessions work for a songwriter, singing on a demo. I asked why he didn’t try a nice chord progression in one spot to give a bland passage some color. ” ‘Cause this is country,” he said, with the look one gives to small children who ask why the sky is blue.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:06:50am |
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:07:47am |
re: #188 Ericus58
A rabid attack on a fellow lizard’s child is a new low.
And yet the vile comment not only stands but has been updinged.
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Gus Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:08:34am |
Meet Michael Enright: Photo Essay
The following is a series of photographs of Michael Enright, alleged hate-crime stabber of a Muslim cab driver, downloaded from his public Facebook page and those of his friends. Enright, who’s emerging as more complex than a classic out-of-town Islamophobe (though he does count among his Likes on Facebook the Tea Party politician Greg Ball), is currently 21, according to news accounts; he was raised in Brewster, NY, near the Connecticut border, roughly six miles due west of Danbury and forty miles north of the city, where he lives now as an SVA student.
According to Talking Points Memo, “A former high school classmate of Enright’s, speaking to [TPM] on background, expressed shock about the crime and spent the morning eliminating electronic footprints that connected the two. ‘It’s just disgusting, sad, horrific,’ he said, adding that, like the group Enright was working with, he supports the Cordoba Project.”
TPM continues that Enright, whose Facebook page reveals he liked Scorsese, Frank McCourt and “Life,” was working on a documentary about a high-school friend fighting in Afghanistan, a film that was to be apolitical. You can watch the trailer here. According to Salon, which pegged the profile as the alleged stabber’s, “police say [Enright] was ‘very, very intoxicated’ when he got in the cab at 6 p.m. last night.” Six p.m.!?!
Keep reading.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:11:16am |
re: #194 Spare O’Lake
A rabid attack on a fellow lizard’s child is a new low.
And yet the vile comment not only stands but has been updinged.
The whole “Expérience grande d’Obama” is tanking, so they are getting antsy and have to attack someone. And it’s only going to get worst.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:11:45am |
re: #194 Spare O’Lake
A rabid attack on a fellow lizard’s child is a new low.
And yet the vile comment not only stands but has been updinged.
Updinged by shitbags. I’m not surprised.
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mcspiff Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:12:01am |
re: #188 Ericus58
I just have to say, the playground mini-mobfest directed towards Mandy earlier in the thread was interesting. Was Mandy online and presenting a position that was off-base, some argument happening? Was Mandy even online?
There are opinions and positions that Mandy takes that I may not agree on or support. She is no different than other posters here - I, we all have agreements and disagreements between our fellow Lizards. Let me ask you all this: ever have a day where at one point you are updinging a Lizard and not too long after that you find the ding-finger itching to go mash the negative button on the same person?
I’m not aware of anyone else being subjected to specific ridicule like her. Getting all “Lord of the Flies” against one Lizard (especially when that Lizard isn’t even online or part of a discussion) is obsessive behavior. And this same attitude directed against another Lizard of the opposite political side to Mandy wouldn’t be tolerated.
Cato - for stomping on her kid with that comment has earned you a day of scorn. That was reprehensible.
And that’s sad, because I really liked the Doobie Brothers vid.
If you aren’t aware of any other posters being subjected to specific ridicule like her you haven’t been around enough lately. That was downright tame compared to some of the stuff said to other posters.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:13:39am |
re: #198 mcspiff
If you aren’t aware of any other posters being subjected to specific ridicule like her you haven’t been around enough lately. That was downright tame compared to some of the stuff said to other posters.
You can talk about the poster. The poster’s kid has nothing to do with it.
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Winny Spencer Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:13:44am |
re: #197 NJDhockeyfan
How can one see if a comment has been updinged and by whom? I only see “-9”.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:13:59am |
re: #188 Ericus58
I just have to say, the playground mini-mobfest directed towards Mandy earlier in the thread was interesting. Was Mandy online and presenting a position that was off-base, some argument happening? Was Mandy even online?
There are opinions and positions that Mandy takes that I may not agree on or support. She is no different than other posters here - I, we all have agreements and disagreements between our fellow Lizards. Let me ask you all this: ever have a day where at one point you are updinging a Lizard and not too long after that you find the ding-finger itching to go mash the negative button on the same person?
I’m not aware of anyone else being subjected to specific ridicule like her. Getting all “Lord of the Flies” against one Lizard (especially when that Lizard isn’t even online or part of a discussion) is obsessive behavior. And this same attitude directed against another Lizard of the opposite political side to Mandy wouldn’t be tolerated.
Cato - for stomping on her kid with that comment has earned you a day of scorn. That was reprehensible.
And that’s sad, because I really liked the Doobie Brothers vid.
I went and looked for it; that comment about Mandy’s son was over the line.
And no one batted an eye …
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mcspiff Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:14:05am |
re: #196 Walter L. Newton
The whole “Expérience grande d’Obama” is tanking, so they are getting antsy and have to attack someone. And it’s only going to get worst.
So what’s the excuse for the other side of the aisle? Practicing? Or do you already (conveniently) forget what was said to Ice?
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ShaunP Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:14:15am |
re: #198 mcspiff
If you aren’t aware of any other posters being subjected to specific ridicule like her you haven’t been around enough lately. That was downright tame compared to some of the stuff said to other posters.
This is just a blog. It’s never so serious that you need to insult someone’s family…
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:14:17am |
re: #201 Winny Spencer
How can one see if a comment has been updinged and by whom? I only see “-9”.
Click on the number.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:14:39am |
re: #198 mcspiff
If you aren’t aware of any other posters being subjected to specific ridicule like her you haven’t been around enough lately. That was downright tame compared to some of the stuff said to other posters.
The comment about her son was over the line, just wrong wrong wrong.
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ShaunP Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:14:43am |
re: #203 mcspiff
So what’s the excuse for the other side of the aisle? Practicing? Or do you already (conveniently) forget what was said to Ice?
“Two wrongs…” and so on…
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:14:56am |
re: #188 Ericus58
I agree and disagree.
Bringing someone’s kids into the discussion is just shitty behavior.
I didn’t see any ridicule of her from anyone but Cato. Saying you don’t care what she says isn’t ridicule. You’re acting as though people completely ganged up on her— there’s a couple of mentions of her in the thread. The only really bad one is from Cato. There is no resemblance at all to a “Lord of the Flies” ganging up.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:14:57am |
re: #199 Gus 802
Well, must be soap opera hour.
No it was the soap opera hours. So, you agree with comments like “Don’t, above all things, ever eat taco’s filled with extraneous apostrohe’s. It will turn you into Mandy or her psycho kid.” being made about Mandy and her kid, especially without Mandy being here.
Or are you just commenting on something else?
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:15:05am |
re: #202 reine.de.tout
I went and looked for it; that comment about Mandy’s son was over the line.
And no one batted an eye …
I was sound asleep…………..
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:17:03am |
re: #210 Walter L. Newton
Why would you say he agreed with that? Why on earth would that be an interpretation?
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Gus Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:17:12am |
re: #210 Walter L. Newton
No it was the soap opera hours. So, you agree with comments like “Don’t, above all things, ever eat taco’s filled with extraneous apostrohe’s. It will turn you into Mandy or her psycho kid.” being made about Mandy and her kid, especially without Mandy being here.
Or are you just commenting on something else?
Call him up. I was sleeping after spending a day of dealing with on and off pain. I know Cato likes to get drunk and then proceeds to run at the mouth about Mandy. No, I don’t agree with picking on the kid.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:18:11am |
re: #203 mcspiff
So what’s the excuse for the other side of the aisle? Practicing? Or do you already (conveniently) forget what was said to Ice?
Well, let’s see, according to that evening, Ice was here and I was here, and all involved was here, nothing was said behind anyone’s back… and it was duked out with all parties live and online… this comment was made behind Mandy’s, about her kid…
“Don’t, above all things, ever eat taco’s filled with extraneous apostrohe’s. It will turn you into Mandy or her psycho kid.”
Your turn.
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McSpiff Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:18:22am |
Cato’s comment was nasty, no two ways about it. What I object to the idea is that 1) Mandy is somehow treated worse than other posters and 2) Walter’s pathetic attempt to turn a personal conflict between two (or a small number) posters into something political.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:19:11am |
re: #214 Gus 802
Call him up. I was sleeping after spending a day of dealing with on and off pain. I know Cato likes to get drunk and then proceeds to run at the mouth about Mandy. No, I don’t agree with picking on the kid.
Then there is no need to dismiss the comment as “soap opera.”
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reine.de.tout Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:19:12am |
re: #199 Gus 802
Well, must be soap opera hour.
So … you would be OK with your family members, who have never made a personal appearance here, being called “psycho”?
Good to know …
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:20:05am |
re: #213 Obdicut
Why would you say he agreed with that? Why on earth would that be an interpretation?
You I won’t waste my time with this morning.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:20:14am |
re: #218 reine.de.tout
Why on earth is that the interpretation of that comment? I don’t get it.
I took that comment as a criticism of Cato’s comment, and of such soap opera theatrics in general. Why did you assume it to be the reverse?
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:20:22am |
re: #198 mcspiff
If you aren’t aware of any other posters being subjected to specific ridicule like her you haven’t been around enough lately. That was downright tame compared to some of the stuff said to other posters.
Wrong. We all give and get plenty of abuse around here, but to my knowledge no one has ever attacked another lizard by telling them that their child is a psycho.
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Gus Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:20:45am |
re: #218 reine.de.tout
So … you would be OK with your family members, who have never made a personal appearance here, being called “psycho”?
Good to know …
It’s 7:19 AM. I’ve got other things on my mind. Good to know?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:20:48am |
Cato has apologized for stuff in the past. He needs to do it again, in this case.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:21:40am |
Cato has been fully up-front with Mandy as to what he thinks of her, no surprises there.
Bringing the kid into it was wrong, and a different level than squabbling between registered posters.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:22:17am |
re: #220 Obdicut
Why on earth is that the interpretation of that comment? I don’t get it.
I took that comment as a criticism of Cato’s comment, and of such soap opera theatrics in general. Why did you assume it to be the reverse?
I took it to be the usual criticism of the “wingnut hour”.
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McSpiff Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:22:38am |
re: #218 reine.de.tout
So … you would be OK with your family members, who have never made a personal appearance here, being called “psycho”?
Good to know …
Honestly? It wouldn’t bother me in the least. But I wouldn’t make that assumption for other posters. If I remember correctly, I’ve made exactly one comment about someone’s family. Someone asked steve if he has any sisters. I replied yes, but she has a mean left hook. Because he told a story where she had knocked someone out. Laughs were had by all.
But I really don’t consider “you have a physco kid” any better or worse than than calling a poster a whore, or a kapo. Its all nasty, it all shouldn’t be here.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:23:05am |
re: #226 reine.de.tout
I took it to be the usual criticism of the “wingnut hour”.
Same here. I interpreted the same way, that’s why I question Gus.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:23:06am |
Funny, we’re talking about Cato talking shit about Mandy when she wasn’t here, and now we’re talking about him with him not here.
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:24:00am |
re: #220 Obdicut
Why on earth is that the interpretation of that comment? I don’t get it.
I took that comment as a criticism of Cato’s comment, and of such soap opera theatrics in general. Why did you assume it to be the reverse?
I agree with Reine’s interpretation. Why not ask Gus what he meant?
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Gus Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:24:41am |
re: #228 Walter L. Newton
Same here. I interpreted the same way, that’s why I question Gus.
Forget about it. Knock yourself out. I know you’ll manage to turn this against me and still side with Cato in the long run. You guys are just playing games.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:24:56am |
re: #222 Gus 802
It’s 7:19 AM. I’ve got other things on my mind. Good to know?
I know you have had some difficult times lately; and that you’ve been in some pain.
There are those of us who are living with chronic and/or debilitating health conditions who manage not to be dismissive of others. You should try it. Get your mind off yourself for a minute or two.
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Ericus58 Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:25:03am |
re: #198 mcspiff
If you aren’t aware of any other posters being subjected to specific ridicule like her you haven’t been around enough lately. That was downright tame compared to some of the stuff said to other posters.
Don’t go all “equal badness” on me.
That’s just lame.
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McSpiff Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:25:35am |
re: #226 reine.de.tout
I took it to be the usual criticism of the “wingnut hour”.
Wingnut hour is more like Saturday morning cartoons than a soap opera…
///
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reine.de.tout Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:25:57am |
re: #227 McSpiff
Honestly? It wouldn’t bother me in the least. But I wouldn’t make that assumption for other posters. If I remember correctly, I’ve made exactly one comment about someone’s family. Someone asked steve if he has any sisters. I replied yes, but she has a mean left hook. Because he told a story where she had knocked someone out. Laughs were had by all.
But I really don’t consider “you have a physco kid” any better or worse than than calling a poster a whore, or a kapo. Its all nasty, it all shouldn’t be here.
It is indeed all nasty; and I personally don’t engage in it.
But truly, calling someone’s kid a “psycho” is so far over the line -
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McSpiff Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:26:48am |
re: #233 reine.de.tout
I know you have had some difficult times lately; and that you’ve been in some pain.
There are those of us who are living with chronic and/or debilitating health conditions who manage not to be dismissive of others. You should try it. Get your mind off yourself for a minute or two.
Wow Reine, that got a downding from me. That was honestly a hurtful thing to say. I think im out, see you guys later…
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:27:11am |
re: #226 reine.de.tout
I took it to be the usual criticism of the “wingnut hour”.
But why did you do so? That’s what I’m asking.
You’re still somehow criticizing him.
I don’t get this. Cato is the one who said something shitty. Why is Gus now a target, for disliking the soap opera?
I don’t like the soap opera bullshit either. How is that ‘dismissive’?
You assumed something about Gus that I don’t believe is true, and you’re continuing to castigate him.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:27:30am |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:27:49am |
re: #232 Gus 802
Forget about it. Knock yourself out. I know you’ll manage to turn this against me and still side with Cato in the long run. You guys are just playing games.
Hey Gus, I know Cato personally, and I have and will tell him personally about this kind of behavior, offline as much as online, so, this is not about liking you or not liking you or liking Cato or not liking Cato, it’s not a personality competition… I like everyone here, I sometimes don’t like what someone says.
It’s not black and white.
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McSpiff Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:28:04am |
re: #237 reine.de.tout
I only have one line. Insulting my mother or calling me a Hamas supporter are both equally bad in my eyes. But apparently I’m in the minority on that one.
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Gus Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:29:06am |
re: #240 Cannadian Club Akbar
Dude, relax. We all have gotten frustrated here. it’s all good.
[Mumbles to self.] /
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:29:32am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:29:56am |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:30:04am |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:30:35am |
re: #239 Obdicut
But why did you do so? That’s what I’m asking.
You’re still somehow criticizing him.
I don’t get this. Cato is the one who said something shitty. Why is Gus now a target, for disliking the soap opera?
I don’t like the soap opera bullshit either. How is that ‘dismissive’?
You assumed something about Gus that I don’t believe is true, and you’re continuing to castigate him.
You’re right; I’ve assumed something about Gus that may not be true.
I’m very upset about that comment, that was UPDINGED by a few; and completely ignored by everyone else who normally freaks out at those sorts of things.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:30:52am |
{{{{ Everyone}}}}
Ya’ll have a GREAT day and weekend!
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:31:00am |
In the interests of peace and sanity, here’s Audrey Hepburn singing Moon River:
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Ericus58 Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:31:52am |
re: #229 Cannadian Club Akbar
Funny, we’re talking about Cato talking shit about Mandy when she wasn’t here, and now we’re talking about him with him not here.
I would say the differences are:
He brought a child into this.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:31:58am |
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:32:05am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:33:15am |
re: #253 reloadingisnotahobby
Already??
Today is my day off. Might make chicken soup. (my soup rules)
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reine.de.tout Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:33:33am |
re: #242 McSpiff
I only have one line. Insulting my mother or calling me a Hamas supporter are both equally bad in my eyes. But apparently I’m in the minority on that one.
McSpiff
I spend 8 hours once a month - a full damned day -getting medical treatment to keep me alive. I don’t feel well half the time. I don’t make it all about me *sniff sniff*. I can still have sympathy for other folks.
Taking Mandy’s stories about her difficulties with her son and turning it into a nasty comment about how he’s “psycho”, is wrong.
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lawhawk Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:33:40am |
Greets and saluts from the shadow of Ground Zero (I see it from my office window). The Park51/Cordoba House community center/mosque is not being built at Ground Zero, but Silverstein Properties and the Port Authority are set to make a deal to complete financing on two of the office towers planned for the site.
This is what’s being built at Ground Zero.
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McSpiff Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:34:16am |
re: #248 reine.de.tout
You’re right; I’ve assumed something about Gus that may not be true.
I’m very upset about that comment, that was UPDINGED by a few; and completely ignored by everyone else who normally freaks out at those sorts of things.
You also used his health against him, which is way across the line in my eyes.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:34:49am |
re: #251 Ericus58
I would say the differences are:
He brought a child into this.
I agree and already posted a comment on that fact. Now, I’m dropping it all.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:35:01am |
re: #248 reine.de.tout
You’re right; I’ve assumed something about Gus that may not be true.
I’m very upset about that comment, that was UPDINGED by a few; and completely ignored by everyone else who normally freaks out at those sorts of things.
I ‘ignored’ it because it was made during the night. I downdinged it. I reported it. I think the two people who updinged it are off their rocker to have done so.
Is every person who doesn’t like that comment supposed to comment on it as well? Isn’t that the kind of ‘bickering’— in fact, isn’t this the kind of bickering— that Charles has specifically requested we not do?
I am fine with being held to account for things I do. But being held to account for things I don’t do is just silly.
It was Cato who made the comment. Not anyone else. Holding other people accountable for not criticizing comments is an endless slog. Not everyone castigated Walter for calling Iceweasel a whore. I don’t think everyone has to. I assume, unless I see otherwise, that people disapprove of Walter having called Iceweasel a whore, because it’s common decency to do so.
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lawhawk Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:35:18am |
re: #244 Cannadian Club Akbar
Jules: Nobody’s gonna hurt anybody. We’re gonna be like three little Fonzies here. And what’s Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda what’s Fonzie like?
Yolanda: Cool?
Jules: What?
Yolanda: He’s cool.
Jules: Correctamundo. And that’s what we’re gonna be. We’re gonna be cool. Now Ringo, I’m gonna count to three, and when I count three, you let go of your gun, and sit your ass down. But when you do it, you do it cool. Ready? One… two… three.
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lawhawk Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:36:00am |
Charles, I’m really liking the new bubble quotes (the way you’re now offsetting/highlighting quoted materials.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:36:23am |
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McSpiff Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:37:15am |
re: #255 reine.de.tout
McSpiff
I spend 8 hours once a month - a full damned day -getting medical treatment to keep me alive. I don’t feel well half the time. I don’t make it all about me *sniff sniff*. I can still have sympathy for other folks.Taking Mandy’s stories about her difficulties with her son and turning it into a nasty comment about how he’s “psycho”, is wrong.
Do you know anything about my health? Think long and careful before you answer. Do you really know anything about Gus’s? You’re making an assumption based on your own situation and applying to everyone of this board. I really don’t think you want to do that.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:37:38am |
re: #259 Obdicut
. ..
It was Cato who made the comment. Not anyone else. Holding other people accountable for not criticizing comments is an endless slog. Not everyone castigated Walter for calling Iceweasel a whore. I don’t think everyone has to. I assume, unless I see otherwise, that people disapprove of Walter having called Iceweasel a whore, because it’s common decency to do so.
You are absolutely correct.
My apologies to Gus.
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lawhawk Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:38:04am |
re: #201 Winny Spencer
Just click on the number itself - and you’d be able to see who dinged and how.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:38:17am |
re: #263 McSpiff
Do you know anything about my health? Think long and careful before you answer. Do you really know anything about Gus’s? You’re making an assumption based on your own situation and applying to everyone of this board. I really don’t think you want to do that.
Gus was talking about it.
I assumed he was accurate as to how he’s feeling.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:39:09am |
Man, it is gonna rain soon. 4 days now. WTF.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:39:36am |
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reine.de.tout Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:40:24am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:40:24am |
Can we turn this into a food or boob thread?
//
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McSpiff Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:40:35am |
re: #266 reine.de.tout
Gus was talking about it.
I assumed he was accurate as to how he’s feeling.
I can’t speak for Gus, but even when I mention pain you’ll never hear the full story. And I see you and Gus already made up, so I’ll drop it. But I’m still disappointed in some of what you’ve said.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:40:54am |
re: #259 Obdicut
Up ding for winning the daily “Tu quoque King” award. We are giving it to you early in the day, because I suspect that no one will be able to top that overuse of tu quoque as well as you did.
LOL.
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iossarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:40:59am |
re: #272 Cannadian Club Akbar
Can we turn this into a food or boob thread?
//
I’m still thinking of Social Security and her 310 million tits.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:41:00am |
re: #268 Cannadian Club Akbar
Wow
I apologize…It’s clear and sunny and I’m heading outdoors!
I’ll be working …but I’m still out doors!!
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:41:10am |
Oh man, Canada dodged an attack by murderous assholes.
Major al-Qaeda bombing plot unearthed in Canada; two arrested
Canadian police today claimed to have foiled a major al-Qaeda bombing plot by arresting two Ottawa residents, including one Misbahuddin Ahmed, alleged to have close ties to top leaders of the terror outfit.
The arrests were enforced by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) after carrying out searches of two residences on the Ottawa’s west side and officers said they were executing more searches and would carry out more arrests.
The arrest of Misbahuddin and Ehsan Ahmed came after police had kept them under surveillance for over two years in a project codenamed ‘Operation Samosa’.
Though the RCMP released no names or identities of the suspects, but sources confirmed their names as Misbahuddin and Ehsan.
They said Misbahuddin Ahmed, who was categorised as ringleader, is believed to have been trained in Pakistan and Afghanistan and investigations involved a “bomb plot”.
“These guys were doing more than just talking about terrorism. They were planning it,” a police source was quoted as saying by the Vancouver Sun newspaper.
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:41:38am |
re: #272 Cannadian Club Akbar
Can we turn this into a food or boob thread?
//
Great…Just as I’m leaving!!
Thanks…………/
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reine.de.tout Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:41:44am |
re: #273 McSpiff
I can’t speak for Gus, but even when I mention pain you’ll never hear the full story. And I see you and Gus already made up, so I’ll drop it. But I’m still disappointed in some of what you’ve said.
Don’t blame you one bit.
I’m disappointed in myself.
Got caught up in the heat of the moment; I know better.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:41:47am |
re: #272 Cannadian Club Akbar
Can we turn this into a food or boob thread?
//
The Jamaican desk ladies at the building where I live are going to make me jerked chicken, because I fed them some of my lemon prosciutto risotto. I can’t wait. I’ve never had jerked chicken made by an actual Jamaican before.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:41:59am |
re: #275 iossarian
I’m still thinking of Social Security and her 310 million tits.
I saw the headline but haven’t read the story.
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McSpiff Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:42:50am |
re: #279 reine.de.tout
Don’t blame you one bit.
I’m disappointed in myself.
Got caught up in the heat of the moment; I know better.
{Reine} Sigh can’t stay mad at that cute face…
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:43:01am |
The main thing that this song convinces me of is that there ought to be a Bulwer-Lytton contest for musicians.
A similarly awful one is “Drill Here, Drill Now”
Youtube Video
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Gus Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:43:03am |
re: #279 reine.de.tout
Don’t blame you one bit.
I’m disappointed in myself.
Got caught up in the heat of the moment; I know better.
Oh, don’t worry about it. I should probably have more coffee and get some food in my stomach.
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reine.de.tout Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:43:40am |
re: #284 Gus 802
Oh, don’t worry about it. I should probably have more coffee and get some food in my stomach.
And me, as well.
see y’all later.
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McSpiff Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:43:42am |
re: #284 Gus 802
Oh, don’t worry about it. I should probably have more coffee and get some food in my stomach.
You and me both buddy
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:43:45am |
re: #283 negativ
Since you’re here: Updinging Cato’s attack on Mandy’s kid is reprehensible. You ought to rethink it.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:43:45am |
re: #280 Obdicut
The Jamaican desk ladies at the building where I live are going to make me jerked chicken, because I fed them some of my lemon prosciutto risotto. I can’t wait. I’ve never had jerked chicken made by an actual Jamaican before.
It will be different from the commercial stuff you have had, I’m sure.
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ShaunP Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:44:17am |
re: #280 Obdicut
The Jamaican desk ladies at the building where I live are going to make me jerked chicken, because I fed them some of my lemon prosciutto risotto. I can’t wait. I’ve never had jerked chicken made by an actual Jamaican before.
If you are good and share more, maybe they’ll bring you some curry chicken & rotti…
*drools*
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reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:44:27am |
re: #280 Obdicut
They should really call it something other “Jerked Chicken…
Just sayin…….
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:45:17am |
re: #289 ShaunP
If you are good and share more, maybe they’ll bring you some curry chicken & rotti…
*drools*
I can throw down some serious curried chicken and rice.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:46:00am |
re: #290 reloadingisnotahobby
They should really call it something other “Jerked Chicken…
Just sayin…
Some of us are single….
/
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ShaunP Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:46:13am |
re: #291 Cannadian Club Akbar
I can throw down some serious curried chicken and rice.
Me too, but my gf is jamaican…
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:47:02am |
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:47:28am |
re: #288 Cannadian Club Akbar
It will be different from the commercial stuff you have had, I’m sure.
It’s funny, because there’s three of them and two of them volunteered the other one to do it because hers are famously good. She looked touched, and annoyed, at the same time.
On the flip side of Jamaican cuisine:
Goat-head soup.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:47:45am |
re: #272 Cannadian Club Akbar
Can we turn this into a food or boob thread?
//
“Wow, look at the tits! I bet there’s… 57 tits up there!”
~Steve Martin
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captdiggs Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:47:46am |
re: #216 McSpiff
Cato’s comment was nasty, no two ways about it. What I object to the idea is that 1) Mandy is somehow treated worse than other posters and 2) Walter’s pathetic attempt to turn a personal conflict between two (or a small number) posters into something political.
But Walter is correct.
In a general sense everything here is left-right politics, and yes that includes the NY mosque.
Mandy, as well as some others here for more than 2 years, remember that much of what is damned here now was supported only 20 months back, and therein lies the conflict that smolders and erupts into some personal attacks…imo.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:48:46am |
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ShaunP Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:49:12am |
re: #295 Cannadian Club Akbar
I thought curry was an English thing?
There are sooooo many types of curry; Indian, Thai, Jamaican… All delicious in their own way!
Now I’m hungry…
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McSpiff Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:49:25am |
re: #298 captdiggs
If people are still pining for the old blog, they need to get over themselves or get out. It changed, Charles seems rather happy with it now, get over it.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:49:49am |
re: #298 captdiggs
“left” and “right” are pretty meaningless distinctions in the abstract, mainly useful to politicians to get themselves elected.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:50:16am |
re: #296 Obdicut
Just thank her (them) for the food and you will be fed for life. And I ain’t clicking on the goat head soup linky.:)
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ShaunP Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:51:47am |
re: #303 Cannadian Club Akbar
Just thank her (them) for the food and you will be fed for life. And I ain’t clicking on the goat head soup linky.:)
Goat is good.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:52:43am |
More on the busted Canadian jihadist attack…
Third terror suspect was ‘Canadian Idol’ contestant
OTTAWA—A third terrorism suspect– one who moonwalked across a Montreal stage during an audition for Canadian Idol – was detained early Thursday, the Star has learned.
Khuram Sher was arrested as part of an RCMP national security investigation, as police continue to investigate a possible cell allegedly plotting to attack targets at home.
Sher told judges on the popular reality show in 2008 that he hailed from Pakistan and was a fan of “hockey, music and acting.”
He sings an off-tune rendition of Avril Lavigne’s “Complicated” with – as the show’s website describes – some “nifty” dance moves.
Here’s the video:
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:52:50am |
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:53:33am |
re: #304 ShaunP
Goat is good. Head I have a few problems with, mainly psychological.
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iossarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:54:04am |
re: #302 Obdicut
“left” and “right” are pretty meaningless distinctions in the abstract, mainly useful to politicians to get themselves elected.
I think the problem is that they mean different things when applied to different questions, the two main ones being macroeconomic policy and social policy.
Now, the really interesting question is, why do most* people who support right/left wing macroeconomic policies also support right/left wing social policies?
*Not all
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:54:27am |
re: #307 Obdicut
Goat is good. Head I have a few problems with, mainly psychological.
I like good head. Wait, what?
//
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McSpiff Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:55:15am |
Except you Spare. You should stay. Keep fighting the good fight to bring back the Bad Old days.
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ShaunP Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:55:32am |
re: #306 Cannadian Club Akbar
I am a chicken, pig, cow guy. I won’t do duck, goose, goat, horse…
Grilled goat with a side of picklies (sp) is definitely worth trying…
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iossarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:55:48am |
re: #302 Obdicut
“left” and “right” are pretty meaningless distinctions in the abstract, mainly useful to politicians to get themselves elected.
Plus, they’re relative terms, so being economically left-wing in the US means something quite different from what it would mean in, say, France.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:56:50am |
re: #306 Cannadian Club Akbar
I am a chicken, pig, cow guy. I won’t do duck, goose, goat, horse…
I make a great crisp peppered duck. I even make gravy from the bones. It is juicy and delicious.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:57:09am |
re: #311 ShaunP
Grilled goat with a side of picklies (sp) is definitely worth trying…
Where I work, we use goat cheese. I’ll start there.
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Gus Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:57:19am |
Let me start over again. Squabbling amongst ourselves will be unavoidable. However, dragging in our family members and/or friends is uncalled for. That itself is equal to stalker behavior.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:57:42am |
re: #102 Varek Raith
Yeah, I like Cash.
Despite loathing country music as a whole.
Check out Junior Brown and Robbie Fulks. Junior Brown is a cross between Ernest Tubb and Jimi Hendrix. Robbie Fulks is…. Robbie Fulks. He writes hilarious blog posts, too.
Rock & Roll Medley
Youtube Video
She Took a Lot of Pills and Died
Youtube Video
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Ericus58 Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:58:45am |
re: #301 McSpiff
If people are still pining for the old blog, they need to get over themselves or get out. It changed, Charles seems rather happy with it now, get over it.
Nice inclusiveness message there, Spiff.
Some who have been here at LGF for more than a year - especially those over three - have had to undertake some fundamental rethinking.
Not all made the change.
And those that didn’t are welcome to their beliefs.
But it can’t be expected that previously held beliefs are accepted or approved of here now.
Change happens.
Bringing about a change in thinking takes work, for both that person and those around here in being a positive influence.
Reflect on that.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:58:59am |
re: #308 iossarian
I think the problem is that they mean different things when applied to different questions, the two main ones being macroeconomic policy and social policy.
Now, the really interesting question is, why do most* people who support right/left wing macroeconomic policies also support right/left wing social policies?
*Not all
I disagree. I don’t think there is such a thing as left or right on economic policy either, as visible by the many number of economic programs previously supported by the ‘right’ that they’re now strenuously against.
“Left” and “Right” are vague ideological positions. You can rationalize your way to universal health care from either starting point. Or to pigovian taxation. Or to pretty much any position.
Likewise, I don’t think there is any social position that’s really inherently ‘right’ or ‘left’.
I do think that it is useful, as shorthand, to refer to the self-defined left and right because, well, they’re self-defined. But I don’t think that that should lead us to make the mistake of thinking these represent real philosophical or political spectra.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:00:43am |
re: #318 Obdicut
IMO, left and right economic policy depends on whether you want to pay off business or unions. .02
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Gus Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:00:50am |
It’s also a break of trust. If someone shares their own personal lives and then that information is used against them, even in jest, a certain bond is broken. It leaves people thinking, or may prevent them from, talking about their personal lives if it will be used against them here. Bad enough it happens outside of LGF but within these confines it should be resisted.
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Ericus58 Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:02:12am |
re: #317 Ericus58
And I’ll be holding an Evangelical Mass in the Mosque Room in 30 minutes.
Everyone is invited, attendance is Mandatory.
/
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:02:14am |
re: #310 McSpiff
Except you Spare. You should stay. Keep fighting the good fight to bring back the Bad Old days.
And what am I? Chopped liver?
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Spare O'Lake Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:03:13am |
re: #310 McSpiff
Except you Spare. You should stay. Keep fighting the good fight to bring back the Bad Old days.
Gee, thanks for tolerating me…I’m too old and stupid to change my bigoted ways.
BTW, your mother wears army boots and your father’s a lady wrestler.
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iossarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:05:26am |
re: #318 Obdicut
I disagree. I don’t think there is such a thing as left or right on economic policy either, as visible by the many number of economic programs previously supported by the ‘right’ that they’re now strenuously against.
Well, I think the reason for that is the the US has moved a long way right over the past 30 years. Basically I think that the depression moved the conversation left, and then there has been a rightward drift.
I would say that to be left-wing economically means that you support policies which intervene to prevent entrenched individual or group advantage (and thus, essentially to redistribute wealth at more or less regular intervals), whereas to be right-wing economically means that you do the opposite, essentially supporting the right of individuals to use their economic power to further strengthen their advantage (by, e.g., influencing the political process).
Now, I agree that on any particular policy question (should we have single-payer healthcare) you MIGHT be able to argue for or against that position from either side. But in general I feel that it’s possible to predict which way people will argue based on their past positions, which is of course why they are useful labels.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:06:04am |
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:06:44am |
Another pissing drunk attacks Muslims.
A drunk barged into a Queens mosque last night and shouted anti-Muslim slurs as he urinated on prayer rugs, cops and witnesses said.
Evening prayers were disrupted at the Iman Mosque on Steinway Street in Astoria when the unhinged man “came in with a beer bottle in his hands, clearly very intoxicated,” said Mustapha Sadouki, who was attending services.
“He fumbled over to our rugs where people were praying” and then committed the despicable desecration, Sadouki said,
The man, identified by cops as Omar Rivera, also allegedly shouted slurs, calling the worshippers “terrorists.”
Two men managed to subdue him. They put him a back room and called 911.
Cops took him to a hospital and later charged him with criminal trespass.
“He stuck up his middle finger and cursed at everyone,” said Sadouki, 43.
Read more: nypost.com
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McSpiff Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:06:58am |
re: #317 Ericus58
Nice inclusiveness message there, Spiff.
Some who have been here at LGF for more than a year - especially those over three - have had to undertake some fundamental rethinking.
Who said I was trying to be inclusive? I think this blog is a better place now due to Charles banning and others flouncing. I think this blog has lost a lot of creeps.I know some of the banned still have fans here. I know some wish the blog never changed. I disagree with them completely. I’d much prefer to see those attempting to change this into yet another hate filled, xenophobic blog gone. I make no secret of this.
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Gus Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:08:21am |
re: #323 Spare O’Lake
Gee, thanks for tolerating me…I’m too old and stupid to change my bigoted ways.
BTW, your mother wears army boots and your father’s a lady wrestler.
Up you nose with a rubber hose! Twice as far as a Hershey Bar!
//Hmm, lady wrestler sounds like an interesting career change.
//
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captdiggs Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:08:32am |
re: #317 Ericus58
Bringing about a change in thinking takes work
It also requires a change in the factual basis . I don’t think that case has been made, especially as it applies to the conflict between Islam and the west.
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Gus Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:08:48am |
re: #329 Gus 802
Up you nose with a rubber hose! Twice as far as a Hershey Bar!
//Hmm, lady wrestler sounds like an interesting career change.
//
Up your nose…
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:09:09am |
re: #326 Alouette
I’m not the biggest guy, but if someone came in my house and started pissing everywhere, there MIGHT be a beating involved.
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McSpiff Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:09:35am |
re: #330 captdiggs
It also requires a change in the factual basis . I don’t think that case has been made, especially as it applies to the conflict between Islam and the west.
Conflict between Islam and the West?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:09:38am |
re: #326 Alouette
Another pissing drunk attacks Muslims.
A drunk barged into a Queens mosque last night and shouted anti-Muslim slurs as he urinated on prayer rugs, cops and witnesses said.
Evening prayers were disrupted at the Iman Mosque on Steinway Street in Astoria when the unhinged man “came in with a beer bottle in his hands, clearly very intoxicated,” said Mustapha Sadouki, who was attending services.
“He fumbled over to our rugs where people were praying” and then committed the despicable desecration, Sadouki said,
The man, identified by cops as Omar Rivera, also allegedly shouted slurs, calling the worshippers “terrorists.”
Two men managed to subdue him. They put him a back room and called 911.
Cops took him to a hospital and later charged him with criminal trespass.
“He stuck up his middle finger and cursed at everyone,” said Sadouki, 43.
Read more: [Link: www.nypost.com…]
The Tea Party & Fox News will immediately be blamed.
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McSpiff Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:10:31am |
re: #334 NJDhockeyfan
The Tea Party & Fox News will immediately be blamed.
Looks like Omar Riveria was blamed to me…
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:10:37am |
re: #334 NJDhockeyfan
The Tea Party & Fox News will immediately be blamed.
As they rightly should be… look at the cab slasher.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:11:23am |
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captdiggs Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:11:53am |
re: #333 McSpiff
Conflict between Islam and the West?
That’s exactly what I mean.
Got to go, you all have a nice day.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:12:37am |
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McSpiff Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:13:16am |
re: #336 Walter L. Newton
As they rightly should be… look at the cab slasher.
I predict that line of thought is going to backfire horribly when its revealed the guy hadn’t been in country long enough to even know a mosque was being built or something. The fact he mentioned a checkpoint and not 9/11 just doesn’t link to Park51 in my mind.
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McSpiff Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:14:24am |
re: #338 captdiggs
That’s exactly what I mean.
Got to go, you all have a nice day.
See kids? This is what I mean.
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lawhawk Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:15:00am |
re: #337 Killgore Trout
And what’s infuriating is that there are ways that salmonella in chickens/eggs can be prevented - with a vaccine for chickens that has essentially eliminated salmonella in chicken products in the UK. It’s approved in the US but isn’t required.
Low-cost vaccines that may have helped prevent the kind of salmonella outbreak that has led to the recall of more than a half-billion eggs haven’t been given to half of the nation’s egg-laying hens.The vaccines aren’t required in the U.S., although in Great Britain, officials say vaccinations have given them the safest egg supply in Europe. A survey conducted by the European food safety agency in 2009 found that about 1 percent of British flocks had salmonella compared to about 60 to 70 percent of flocks elsewhere in Europe, said Amanda Cryer, spokeswoman for the British Egg Information Service.
There’s been no push to require vaccination in the U.S., in part because it would cost farmers and in part because advocates have been more focused on more comprehensive food safety reforms, those watching the poultry industry said.
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ShaunP Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:15:23am |
re: #341 McSpiff
See kids? This is what I mean.
What? You don’t like when people make stir the pot posts and bow completely out before they explain themselves?
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:16:02am |
re: #324 iossarian
I would say that to be left-wing economically means that you support policies which intervene to prevent entrenched individual or group advantage (and thus, essentially to redistribute wealth at more or less regular intervals), whereas to be right-wing economically means that you do the opposite, essentially supporting the right of individuals to use their economic power to further strengthen their advantage (by, e.g., influencing the political process).
I don’t agree with that, though. I agree that’s the current definition. I don’t agree that actually stems from any real connection to any real ‘left’ or ‘right’ philosophy.
I can make a very good libertarian argument for why government-funded healthcare is one of the functions of government. It’s not a stretch. It’s very straightforwards.
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McSpiff Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:16:35am |
Now a guy pissing all over a mosque… I can believe that’s mosque related. I think there is a convincing case there ;-)
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:17:10am |
re: #334 NJDhockeyfan
The Tea Party & Fox News will immediately be blamed.
Why do you think that, when the Tea Party wasn’t immediately blamed for the guy who stabbed the cab driver?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:17:19am |
re: #340 McSpiff
I predict that line of thought is going to backfire horribly when its revealed the guy hadn’t been in country long enough to even know a mosque was being built or something. The fact he mentioned a checkpoint and not 9/11 just doesn’t link to Park51 in my mind.
Update me, I’m confused. Which person are you talking about. The cab attack or the Queens attack mentioned above?
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McSpiff Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:18:57am |
re: #347 Walter L. Newton
Update me, I’m confused. Which person are you talking about. The cab attack or the Queens attack mentioned above?
Sorry, the cab attack. I don’t think the cab attack is going to be related to anything going on over Park51, except maybe in some truly tangential “but the atmosphere!” type way.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:19:08am |
re: #346 Obdicut
Why do you think that, when the Tea Party wasn’t immediately blamed for the guy who stabbed the cab driver?
From what I have heard, the kid (yes, kid) was an honor student.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:19:15am |
re: #346 Obdicut
Why do you think that, when the Tea Party wasn’t immediately blamed for the guy who stabbed the cab driver?
I was reading comments on CNN, CBS, and other news websites when the story was breaking yesterday and there were quite a few posts blaming both of them.
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Big Steve Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:20:07am |
Great quote from Phil Platt today on Bad Astronomy discussing the moon’s perigree…..
For example, I imagine if I went out in the street and asked people what shape the Moon’s orbit was, they’d say it was a circle (or, given recent poll results, they’d say it was Muslim).
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iossarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:21:11am |
re: #344 Obdicut
I don’t agree with that, though. I agree that’s the current definition. I don’t agree that actually stems from any real connection to any real ‘left’ or ‘right’ philosophy.
I can make a very good libertarian argument for why government-funded healthcare is one of the functions of government. It’s not a stretch. It’s very straightforwards.
OK, then I’m not sure what you mean (and I don’t mean that in a bad way). I think that what I said above is the definition of “economically left-wing”. I think that’s what the words mean. Are you saying that there’s something different that they mean, or that “left-wing” means something different, which supersedes “economically left-wing”?
OT, it turns out that “supersede” is possibly the most-misspelled word in common use. Now that I’ve learned my one new thing for today I can go back to bed!
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:21:15am |
re: #348 McSpiff
Sorry, the cab attack. I don’t think the cab attack is going to be related to anything going on over Park51, except maybe in some truly tangential “but the atmosphere!” type way.
Ok. So all the trying to connect the cab attack to right-wing wacko influence buzz that’s going around, in your opinion, is moot?
Can we connect him to the left… can we… can we… oh… oh… oh… please? :)
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:22:19am |
MSNBC’s Ed Schultz goes bonkers
MSNBC talk show screamer Ed Schultz had a meltdown in the network’s 30 Rock newsroom, shouting at staff, “I’m going to torch this [bleep]ing place.”The hot-tempered anchor of “The Ed Show” lost it during a phone call in the packed studio and slammed down the phone before exploding.
As astonished MSNBC staff members fell silent, Schultz glared around the room and yelled, “[Bleep]ers!”
A witness told us, “Ed was furious the network was running election-night promos and he wasn’t in them. He’d been arguing on the phone with marketing, then he slammed down the phone and exploded. It was like Mel Gibson had entered the newsroom.”
Fuming Schultz was immediately dragged in for a meeting with NBC News President Steve Capus and MSNBC President Phil Griffin following his Aug. 12 meltdown.
Our source added, “Schultz was told: ‘If you do that again, you are fired.’ He broke down crying.”
Sources say the hothead was pushed over the edge by MSNBC’s catering to bullying fellow anchor Keith Olbermann and its focus on golden girl Rachel Maddow.
A second MSNBC source said, “Ed never gets any attention and love, and he finally snapped.”
Heh. Sounds like Ed needs some anger management counseling.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:23:13am |
re: #354 NJDhockeyfan
MSNBC’s Ed Schultz goes bonkers
Heh. Sounds like Ed needs some anger management counseling.
The left’s Pamie.
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ShaunP Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:24:20am |
re: #353 Walter L. Newton
Ok. So all the trying to connect the cab attack to right-wing wacko influence buzz that’s going around, in your opinion, is moot?
Can we connect him to the left… can we… can we… oh… oh… oh… please? :)
I like when we just blame Spencer and Geller for starting this mess and the MSM for spreading it to the masses…
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McSpiff Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:25:30am |
re: #353 Walter L. Newton
Ok. So all the trying to connect the cab attack to right-wing wacko influence buzz that’s going around, in your opinion, is moot?
Can we connect him to the left… can we… can we… oh… oh… oh… please? :)
Well, moot at this point in time. If new evidence comes to the surface, my opinion might change (flip-flop!)
Hell, the guy could be a leftie for all I know. I think he went to Afghanistan and come back with a hate on for Muslims. Not much politics in that.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:25:37am |
re: #354 NJDhockeyfan
MSNBC’s Ed Schultz goes bonkers
Heh. Sounds like Ed needs some anger management counseling.
Ed Schultz is not representative of the left.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:26:32am |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:26:34am |
re: #358 Walter L. Newton
Ed Schultz is not representative of the left.
Is there a Douche Party?
/need I?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:27:59am |
re: #357 McSpiff
Well, moot at this point in time. If new evidence comes to the surface, my opinion might change (flip-flop!)
Hell, the guy could be a leftie for all I know. I think he went to Afghanistan and come back with a hate on for Muslims. Not much politics in that.
I’m being tongue in cheek (you knew that). There was an awful lot of trying to pin this on Fox and Rush and stuff like that in the last 24 hours. So far, it appears to me he had his own personal motives, not so much related to politics.
But we can’t let a exciting incident like this go to waste. We must use it as ammunition against someone, something, it’s the american way.
Oh sorry… that was tongue in cheek too!
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:33:16am |
re: #361 Walter L. Newton
Juan Cole:
Republican National Committee Slashes New York Muslim Cabbie
It wasn’t the 21-year-old Michael Enright who drunkenly slashed his New York city cab driver after asking ‘Are you Muslim?’
It was the Republican National Committee.
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McSpiff Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:33:38am |
re: #361 Walter L. Newton
I’m being tongue in cheek (you knew that). There was an awful lot of trying to pin this on Fox and Rush and stuff like that in the last 24 hours. So far, it appears to me he had his own personal motives, not so much related to politics.
But we can’t let a exciting incident like this go to waste. We must use it as ammunition against someone, something, it’s the american way.
Oh sorry… that was tongue in cheek too!
Heh honestly Walter? Part of me wants to pin this on the left. I think this whole attitude of “HOLY SHIT THE SOUTH IS RISING AGAIN! MAN THE BARRICADES AROUND THE MOSQUES!” has the potential to be just as dangerous as anything on the right. I’ve seen some truly creepy “we’ll battle them in the streets!” posts here.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:39:10am |
re: #352 iossarian
OK, then I’m not sure what you mean (and I don’t mean that in a bad way). I think that what I said above is the definition of “economically left-wing”. I think that’s what the words mean. Are you saying that there’s something different that they mean, or that “left-wing” means something different, which supersedes “economically left-wing”?
I mean that there is no real connection between the loose association of philosophical premises that are ‘left-wing’ and the economic policies that are identified as being ‘left-wing’. There is not even really much of a cohesiveness to the divergent philosophies that are supposedly ‘left-wing’, either. Or ‘right-wing’.
To give a different example: ‘limited government’ is identified with being a ‘right-wing’ position, but it’s not. It is its own position, and bears no relationship to the vague collection of ideologies that is called either left or right wing.
The only usefulness left or right have is that people self-identify as them and that people identify the two major parties with each. Other than that, they’re basically meaningless.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:42:35am |
re: #361 Walter L. Newton
Nobody has tried to ‘pin’ this on anyone.
What has been said, and correctly, is that the rise in heated rhetoric against Muslims is dangerous, and that this is likely related to it.
The rhetoric didn’t begin with the anti-Park51 thing, nor will it end with it.
It is possible that this guy was acting out of purely psychotic motives, or out of personal experiences. Such a thing is always possible, no matter what we’re talking about.
That doesn’t mean the dangerous rhetoric isn’t still dangerous. If this guy turns out to have just been a drunk asshole with bad memories of Afghanistan, that doesn’t magically make the anti-Moslem furor harmless.
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darthstar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:43:49am |
re: #363 NJDhockeyfan
Juan Cole:
Republican National Committee Slashes New York Muslim Cabbie
Good link for once, NJD…Here’s the money shot from Cole:
PPPS A commenter writes:‘Paul says:
August 25, 2010 at 9:56 pm (Edit)I was just following the discussion of this event on TPM, and saw something interesting: someone had posted Enright’s “likes” from his FaceBook page. One of those likes—the only one that I recognized as specifically political—was his liking of Greg Ball. I live in Brewster, NY, as does Enright, and have come to loathe Ball. He’s a conservative Republican who’s run for years on a strongly anti-immigrant platform. This election cycle he’s also the Tea Party candidate.
So there’s your Right Wing hatemongering right there. Plain as day.
Teabagger…who could’ve guessed?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:45:54am |
re: #368 darthstar
Good link for once, NJD…Here’s the money shot from Cole:
Teabagger…who could’ve guessed?
You found proof it was the RNC who stabbed that cab driver! Great research on your part!
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:47:18am |
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:48:55am |
re: #370 Walter L. Newton
How is that trying to ‘pin the blame’ on anyone, Walter?
Charles was so right, yesterday.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:50:36am |
re: #371 Obdicut
How is that trying to ‘pin the blame’ on anyone, Walter?
Charles was so right, yesterday.
“So there’s your Right Wing hatemongering right there. Plain as day.”
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iossarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:52:32am |
re: #366 Obdicut
I mean that there is no real connection between the loose association of philosophical premises that are ‘left-wing’ and the economic policies that are identified as being ‘left-wing’. There is not even really much of a cohesiveness to the divergent philosophies that are supposedly ‘left-wing’, either. Or ‘right-wing’.
I don’t know, I think you can say, for example, that the idea free healthcare paid for by progressive taxation is pretty clearly derived from the desire to increase equality. But I do agree (as I said above) that there’s not necessarily an obvious connection between being economically left-wing and socially left-wing. I think the really interesting question is why they tend to go together, though.
To give a different example: ‘limited government’ is identified with being a ‘right-wing’ position, but it’s not. It is its own position, and bears no relationship to the vague collection of ideologies that is called either left or right wing.
Well, I think that the reason “limited government” is consistent with an economically right-wing outlook is that in the US, it’s a shorthand for “limited government interference with the retention and deployment of private wealth”, such that in the absence of government, wealthy individuals or groups are more able to use their wealth to maintain their position of advantage.
The only usefulness left or right have is that people self-identify as them and that people identify the two major parties with each. Other than that, they’re basically meaningless.
I agree that you could, if you wanted, just define left and right extensionally, in which case the terms lose any further meaning, by definition. That just happens not to be the way I define the terms.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:53:16am |
re: #372 Walter L. Newton
“So there’s your Right Wing hatemongering right there. Plain as day.”
You have very, very different definitions of pinning the blame than I do, apparently.
I’m going to go have Australian food now.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:54:03am |
re: #372 Walter L. Newton
“So there’s your Right Wing hatemongering right there. Plain as day.”
Speaking of that…this sounds dangerous…
Tea Party Group Hit With Death Threats
One of Washington’s principal supporters of the Tea Party movement, former GOP Majority Leader Dick Armey’s FreedomWorks, has been receiving death threats and profanity-laced phone calls as it gets involved in the fall elections. The number and intensity have reached such heights that the organization is leaving its downtown location near the FBI and moving to a high-security building near the U.S. Capitol.
“FreedomWorks and Dick Armey receive dozens of threatening and harassing calls and E-mails each day. Many imply violence and use of weapons,” spokesman Adam Brandon tells Whispers. “As we get closer to the election we expect the harassment to increase.”
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:56:50am |
re: #374 Obdicut
You have very, very different definitions of pinning the blame than I do, apparently.
I’m going to go have Australian food now.
Kangaroo burgers?
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deadletterboy Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:56:54am |
It sounds like a bad 80’s television theme song.
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darthstar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:57:09am |
re: #369 NJDhockeyfan
Teabagger…who could’ve guessed?
You found proof it was the RNC who stabbed that cab driver! Great research on your part!
I realize that Juan Cole goes over your head, but the Republican hate machine is partially responsible, given that they have been pushing the anti-islamic rhetoric.
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ShaunP Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:57:13am |
re: #375 NJDhockeyfan
Speaking of that…this sounds dangerous…
It really sucks that there are some out there that think threatening violence is the way to get what you want…
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darthstar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:01:49am |
re: #375 NJDhockeyfan
Speaking of that…this sounds dangerous…
They can dish it out, but they can’t take it. Fucking pussies. Seriously…they “come unarmed…this time” to political rallies and speak of “2nd Amendment solutions” (those, child, are also death threats), and they have a network that airs their vile hate without question, and then they feel like they’re getting “harassed” because of a few angry voice mails? Fucking pussies.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:02:27am |
re: #378 darthstar
I realize that Juan Cole goes over your head, but the Republican hate machine is partially responsible, given that they have been pushing the anti-islamic rhetoric.
Let see the proof. Show me the link proving the slasher’s decision to stab the cabbie with the Republican hate machine.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:03:42am |
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Ericus58 Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:06:57am |
Lack of skilled workers threatens recovery: Manpower
“NEW YORK (Reuters) - Workers with specialized skills like electricians, carpenters and welders are in critically short supply in many large economies, a shortfall that marks another obstacle to the global economic recovery, a research paper by Manpower Inc (NYSE:MAN - News) concludes.
“It becomes a real choke-point in future economic growth,” Manpower Chief Executive Jeff Joerres said. “We believe strongly this is really an issue in the labor market.””
………
“Since the 1970s, parents have been told that a university degree — and the entry it affords into the so-called knowledge economy — was the only track to a financially secure profession. But all of the skilled trades offer a career path with an almost assured income, Joerres said, and make it possible to open one’s own business.
In the United States, recession and persistent high unemployment may lead parents and young people entering the workforce to reconsider their options.”
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:06:58am |
re: #380 darthstar
They can dish it out, but they can’t take it. Fucking pussies. Seriously…they “come unarmed…this time” to political rallies and speak of “2nd Amendment solutions” (those, child, are also death threats), and they have a network that airs their vile hate without question, and then they feel like they’re getting “harassed” because of a few angry voice mails? Fucking pussies.
WOW, nice to see your concern about the safety of everyone. Very progressive on your part!
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:07:29am |
Wow… it looks like the right wing bigot machine has stopped another mosque…
It’s spreading.
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darthstar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:08:42am |
re: #381 NJDhockeyfan
Let see the proof. Show me the link proving the slasher’s decision to stab the cabbie with the Republican hate machine.
You don’t understand the relationship between the actions of impressionable people and the rhetoric of public figures, do you? Do you think Enwright’s christian upbringing taught him to stab people for being Muslim? Was it something he learned from mommy?
You know what, it’s easier to let you live in your bubble and say, “No, it’s just the activity of one person - a bad apple - and it has nothing to do whatsoever with current events in New York city, anti muslim rhetoric, or the Tea Party.” There…happy? To paraphrase Barney Frank, it’s like having a debate with a dining room table.
There is no such link, short of an admission by the stabber, that will ever satisfy you…and even that is doubtful.
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darthstar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:09:45am |
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Stanley Sea Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:09:54am |
re: #380 darthstar
They can dish it out, but they can’t take it. Fucking pussies. Seriously…they “come unarmed…this time” to political rallies and speak of “2nd Amendment solutions” (those, child, are also death threats), and they have a network that airs their vile hate without question, and then they feel like they’re getting “harassed” because of a few angry voice mails? Fucking pussies.
I so concur.
re: #384 NJDhockeyfan
WOW, nice to see your concern about the safety of everyone. Very progressive on your part!
Defensive blame game in motion.
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lawhawk Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:11:09am |
re: #385 Walter L. Newton
And that one was denied the necessary permits because the local authorities claim that they need the property to be a for-profit location:
We’re hearing from the local chamber of commerce and alderman’s office that the city has denied a special use permit that would allow a mosque to replace a shut down hot dog grill.It’s based on the need to generate tax revenue on the former site of the original Fluky’s and later U Lucky Dawg, at 6821 N. Western Ave.
…
The chamber says the mosque’s tax exempt status in that commercial location would eliminate much needed tax dollars and halt growth.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:12:16am |
re: #386 darthstar
You don’t understand the relationship between the actions of impressionable people and the rhetoric of public figures, do you? Do you think Enwright’s christian upbringing taught him to stab people for being Muslim? Was it something he learned from mommy?
You know what, it’s easier to let you live in your bubble and say, “No, it’s just the activity of one person - a bad apple - and it has nothing to do whatsoever with current events in New York city, anti muslim rhetoric, or the Tea Party.” There…happy? To paraphrase Barney Frank, it’s like having a debate with a dining room table.
There is no such link, short of an admission by the stabber, that will ever satisfy you…and even that is doubtful.
I see, there is no such link, just your complete made up bullshit created in your mind.
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darthstar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:12:17am |
re: #385 Walter L. Newton
Read the fucking article before posting:
It’s a position not all here understand, but mosque members, who say they live in an accepting community, know in Chicago economics and politics can sometimes trump religion.Rashid Mopiwala says he does not think the decision was based on bigotry and racism.
“There’s not any racism involved,” he said. “There are some politics maybe, but not religious.”
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:13:47am |
re: #389 lawhawk
And that one was denied the necessary permits because the local authorities claim that they need the property to be a for-profit location:
Bigots.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:14:17am |
re: #391 darthstar
Read the fucking article before posting:
Bigots. We know it was motivated by the right wing bigot brigade.
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darthstar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:15:32am |
re: #393 Walter L. Newton
Bigots. We know it was motivated by the right wing bigot brigade.
Wouldn’t you be happier hanging out with them rather than just concern trolling on their behalf?
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iossarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:15:35am |
re: #390 NJDhockeyfan
I see, there is no such link, just your complete made up bullshit created in your mind.
OK, tell us what would constitute a link, and we can look for that.
Otherwise it just becomes a goalpost-moving birth certificate exercise.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:15:56am |
re: #393 Walter L. Newton
Bigots. We know it was motivated by the right wing bigot brigade.
It’s undeniable! They are lucky they weren’t stabbed by the Republican hate machine!
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:16:58am |
re: #395 iossarian
OK, tell us what would constitute a link, and we can look for that.
Otherwise it just becomes a goalpost-moving birth certificate exercise.
He claimed the Republican hate machine is responsible for the slasher’s actions. Where’s the proof?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:18:01am |
re: #394 darthstar
Wouldn’t you be happier hanging out with them rather than just concern trolling on their behalf?
See… in your face… I can be as reactionary as you can. Feels good, I learn everything I know about jumping to conclusions from the liberals.
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darthstar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:18:46am |
re: #397 NJDhockeyfan
He claimed the Republican hate machine is responsible for the slasher’s actions. Where’s the proof?
You’re a seriously strong argument for reforming public education. I said “partially responsible” - I know you either fail to understand, or refuse to understand, that distinction. In either case, I’m not interested in being your tutor.
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iossarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:18:47am |
re: #397 NJDhockeyfan
He claimed the Republican hate machine is responsible for the slasher’s actions. Where’s the proof?
I’m asking you what would constitute proof. It’s much better to establish that first.
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Ericus58 Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:18:49am |
re: #389 lawhawk
And that one was denied the necessary permits because the local authorities claim that they need the property to be a for-profit location:
I can believe that.
However, seeing how it’s sat vacant for two years (as well as other properties in that area) and there are no plans for any other retail/for-profit businesses trying to open there….. Letting a property sit vacant in the hopes that someday it will have tax-paying tenants is….. a bit off. As the article points out, that particular area has a good percentage of residents that are Muslim.
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darthstar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:19:25am |
re: #398 Walter L. Newton
See… in your face… I can be as reactionary as you can. Feels good, I learn everything I know about jumping to conclusions from the liberals.
Anything you say, Sybil.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:19:56am |
re: #399 darthstar
You’re a seriously strong argument for reforming public education. I said “partially responsible” - I know you either fail to understand, or refuse to understand, that distinction. In either case, I’m not interested in being your tutor.
Why don’t you show him the proof and stop with the insults?
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Gus Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:21:31am |
re: #397 NJDhockeyfan
He claimed the Republican hate machine is responsible for the slasher’s actions. Where’s the proof?
I blame Michael Enright. At this point, as with any criminal of this variety, trying to blame anyone else sounds like something a defense attorney would employ. He is responsible for his actions in the end regardless of whether he was drunk or sober or alleged external influences. The latter is typically left for the defense of minors whereas this person is an adult.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:22:38am |
re: #404 Gus 802
I blame Michael Enright. At this point, as with any criminal of this variety, trying to blame anyone else sounds like something a defense attorney would employ. He is responsible for his actions in the end regardless of whether he was drunk or sober or alleged external influences. The latter is typically left for the defense of minors whereas this person is an adult.
Good answer Gus.
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iossarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:23:04am |
re: #403 Walter L. Newton
Why don’t you show him the proof and stop with the insults?
Walter, serious question: what would it take to prove to you the truth of the statement: “the right-wing noise machine was partially responsible for Enright’s actions”?
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darthstar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:23:30am |
Okay…time for me to get dressed and go to work.
NJD - I don’t think you’re actually as ignorant as you’ve pretended to be upthread. Seriously.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:24:28am |
re: #404 Gus 802
I blame Michael Enright. At this point, as with any criminal of this variety, trying to blame anyone else sounds like something a defense attorney would employ. He is responsible for his actions in the end regardless of whether he was drunk or sober or alleged external influences. The latter is typically left for the defense of minors whereas this person is an adult.
Thank you! That is exactly correct.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:25:46am |
re: #407 darthstar
Okay…time for me to get dressed and go to work.
NJD - I don’t think you’re actually as ignorant as you’ve pretended to be upthread. Seriously.
Go get dressed instead of continuing to make a fool of yourself.
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Gus Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:27:11am |
re: #408 NJDhockeyfan
Thank you! That is exactly correct.
Yeah, I don’t like the idea of blaming others or groups for crimes. It’s like blaming video games for crimes or perhaps what one watches on television. I’ve watched many crime shows and never felt compelled to go out on a crime spree. Sort of like when people were trying to blame Marylin Manson for the Columbine massacre.
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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:28:58am |
re: #385 Walter L. Newton
Wow… it looks like the right wing bigot machine has stopped another mosque…
It’s spreading.
Just wonder what would the ruling would be if they tried to open up a church or synagogue there…
Or a halal kebab stand (for profit, of course)
Brilliant country song. It appeals to a target audience (in more ways than I would care to really think of) but it will definitely move enough product to generate more money in sales than it cost to make, which is reason enough to do anything in the music business…or most any other business.
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The Optimist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:29:27am |
About the stupid drunk that went into a mosque and urinated on prayer rugs.
The muslims called it terrorism.
But it is obvious to me who started the pissing match.
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Ericus58 Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:29:36am |
re: #410 Gus 802
Yeah, I don’t like the idea of blaming others or groups for crimes. It’s like blaming video games for crimes or perhaps what one watches on television. I’ve watched many crime shows and never felt compelled to go out on a crime spree. Sort of like when people were trying to blame Marylin Manson for the Columbine massacre.
That’s what I try to keep in mind as my wife watches her DVR’d show like I.D., 48 Hours…. and especially those shows that have those Women Gone Bad….
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:30:02am |
re: #410 Gus 802
Yeah, I don’t like the idea of blaming others or groups for crimes. It’s like blaming video games for crimes or perhaps what one watches on television. I’ve watched many crime shows and never felt compelled to go out on a crime spree. Sort of like when people were trying to blame Marylin Manson for the Columbine massacre.
If someone is to blame for another one’s crime I have no problem passing the blame but to just blame a group because you don’t like them is idiotic.
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garhighway Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:30:16am |
re: #354 NJDhockeyfan
MSNBC’s Ed Schultz goes bonkers
Heh. Sounds like Ed needs some anger management counseling.
Was this on the air?
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Gus Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:32:23am |
re: #414 NJDhockeyfan
If someone is to blame for another one’s crime I have no problem passing the blame but to just blame a group because you don’t like them is idiotic.
It become a viscous cycle. I looked at that piece by Juan Cole. It’s quite a stretch to blame the Republican party for this nutburger, Michael Enright.
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Four More Tears Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:35:40am |
The Gaslight Anthem - Casanova, Baby
A recent amorous interest introduced me to this band last night. I like ‘em!
The Gaslight Anthem - Casanova, Baby
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Four More Tears Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:35:57am |
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iossarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:36:31am |
re: #414 NJDhockeyfan
If someone is to blame for another one’s crime I have no problem passing the blame but to just blame a group because you don’t like them is idiotic.
re: #416 Gus 802
It become a viscous cycle. I looked at that piece by Juan Cole. It’s quite a stretch to blame the Republican party for this nutburger, Michael Enright.
All else being equal, do you think that if members of the Republican party were using less inflammatory language regarding Muslims, there would be fewer, the same number, or more attacks of this kind?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:37:04am |
re: #413 Ericus58
That’s what I try to keep in mind as my wife watches her DVR’d show like I.D., 48 Hours… and especially those shows that have those Women Gone Bad…
That reminds me of some old classic female punk rock.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:39:04am |
re: #406 iossarian
Walter, serious question: what would it take to prove to you the truth of the statement: “the right-wing noise machine was partially responsible for Enright’s actions”?
Er… soemthing like… “Enright admitted that he was motivated to attack the cab driver by a recent Rush Limbaugh monologue” would work for a start.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:40:02am |
Robert Spencer sez…..
There was just one problem with all this: the attacker was a Leftist employee of an organization that has gone on record as favoring the mosque. So whatever may have been his motivation in attacking this cab driver, one thing that almost certainly wasn’t motivating him was rage over the Islamic supremacist mega-mosque at Ground Zero.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:40:04am |
re: #419 iossarian
re: #416 Gus 802
All else being equal, do you think that if members of the Republican party were using less inflammatory language regarding Muslims, there would be fewer, the same number, or more attacks of this kind?
What does that have to do with yesterday’s cab attack? Did the Republicans have a role in the stabbing or not? I haven’t heard that they did except from some kooks.
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Gus Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:40:24am |
re: #419 iossarian
re: #416 Gus 802
All else being equal, do you think that if members of the Republican party were using less inflammatory language regarding Muslims, there would be fewer, the same number, or more attacks of this kind?
Hard to say. Considering this kids background one wouldn’t expect that to have been an influence. The official Republican party isn’t really using inflammatory language but instead it has been coming from some congressional or gubernatorial candidates. That is you’re not hearing it from John Boehner, Michael Steele, etc. If we are going to look for an influence I think it’s a little more complicated.
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Four More Tears Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:41:14am |
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Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:41:52am |
re: #422 Killgore Trout
He also jumps on the conspiracy bandwagon….
Was this attack on a Muslim cab driver in New York yet another faked hate crime designed to tar opponents of Islamic supremacism as bigoted people who are fomenting hate? It cannot be ruled out. I hope that New York investigators are honest enough and brave enough to say so if that turns out to be the case.
It’s a pretty safe bet Spencer’s books are on his shelf.
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zora Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:41:59am |
Vandalism at Madera mosque called hate crime
It was the latest in a series of incidents that the Madera County Sheriff’s Department is investigating as hate crimes. On Sunday, a brick nearly smashed a window at the center on Road 26 just outside Madera. Last week, another sign left on the property read “No temple for the god of terrorism.”
Signs left at the mosque claimed to be from a group called the “American Nationalist Brotherhood.” Sheriff’s officials said they hadn’t heard of such an organization.
Some local Muslims worry that talk radio hosts who have repeatedly invited callers to express their anger about the controversy surrounding a proposed Islamic center near the site of the 9/11 terrorist attacks in New York City are fanning flames of intolerance — and putting their families in danger.
Salem said the recent vandalism at the Madera mosque is greater than anything else seen in its 15-year history — including the days after 9/11.
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iossarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:42:46am |
re: #423 NJDhockeyfan
What does that have to do with yesterday’s cab attack? Did the Republicans have a role in the stabbing or not? I haven’t heard that they did except from some kooks.
I’m asking you whether there is a causal relationship between the rhetoric of members of the Republican party (and fewer, but some members of the Democratic party), and the number of attacks on Muslims.
This, by the way, is exactly the same line used by opponents of civil rights legislation. Of course, when you look at one individual hiring decision, you can always say that the white male was chosen for perfectly good reasons. It’s only when you look at the aggregate number that a pattern emerges.
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Ericus58 Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:42:48am |
re: #420 NJDhockeyfan
That reminds me of some old classic female punk rock.
[Video]
*curls up into a fetal ball*
“mama….”
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CuriousLurker Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:43:39am |
re: #412 Venezuela lover
About the stupid drunk that went into a mosque and urinated on prayer rugs.
The muslims called it terrorism.
But it is obvious to me who started the pissing match.
Who started it?
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McSpiff Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:43:47am |
re: #421 Walter L. Newton
Er… soemthing like… “Enright admitted that he was motivated to attack the cab driver by a recent Rush Limbaugh monologue” would work for a start.
Well Walter, that was a piss poor dodge! Kidding, but yes, a statement like that would be pretty damning. On the other hand, we don’t don’t blame the Beatles for inspiring Manson, so where’s the line?
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Four More Tears Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:44:36am |
re: #412 Venezuela lover
About the stupid drunk that went into a mosque and urinated on prayer rugs.
The muslims called it terrorism.
But it is obvious to me who started the pissing match.
Oh do go on…
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deranged cat Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:45:14am |
re: #416 Gus 802
did you mean “vicious” or “viscous”? vicious being cruel/violent, viscous being of thick consistency. just wondering :P
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:45:44am |
re: #428 iossarian
I’m asking you whether there is a causal relationship between the rhetoric of members of the Republican party (and fewer, but some members of the Democratic party), and the number of attacks on Muslims.
This, by the way, is exactly the same line used by opponents of civil rights legislation. Of course, when you look at one individual hiring decision, you can always say that the white male was chosen for perfectly good reasons. It’s only when you look at the aggregate number that a pattern emerges.
What the hell does that have to do with the cab driver attack we’ve been talking about? Changing the goal posts?
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Gus Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:45:52am |
re: #433 deranged cat
did you mean “vicious” or “viscous”? vicious being cruel/violent, viscous being of thick consistency. just wondering :P
Oops. Maybe I was thinking about an oil change. //
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iossarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:46:03am |
re: #431 McSpiff
Well Walter, that was a piss poor dodge! Kidding, but yes, a statement like that would be pretty damning. On the other hand, we don’t don’t blame the Beatles for inspiring Manson, so where’s the line?
“McCarthy conceded that, since the defendant had not actually admitted that he was inspired to bring down the US government by a recent Stalin monologue, there was no proof that communism was involved.”
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Four More Tears Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:46:28am |
re: #435 Gus 802
Oops. Maybe I was thinking about an oil change. //
Is that what we guys are calling that now?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:47:26am |
re: #415 garhighway
Was this on the air?
I don’t think do. He did make some dumb comments this week on air but this was not. I wish it was, that would be great entertainment.
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Ericus58 Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:48:12am |
re: #437 JasonA
Is that what we guys are calling that now?
heh… I thought it was called “Rack and a Lube”.
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Four More Tears Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:48:25am |
re: #438 NJDhockeyfan
I don’t think do. He did make some dumb comments this week on air but this was not. I wish it was, that would be great entertainment.
I can’t friggin’ stand Schultz.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:49:23am |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:49:54am |
re: #440 JasonA
I can’t friggin’ stand Schultz.
I think he needs more hugs at MSNBC. The poor guy’s feelings are hurt.
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iossarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:50:40am |
re: #434 NJDhockeyfan
What the hell does that have to do with the cab driver attack we’ve been talking about? Changing the goal posts?
Let me explain. When bringing legal cases claiming employment discrimination, it is necessary to look at hiring patterns, because in one individual case, there is often too much noise to be able to discern the act of discrimination.
In the same way, the causal link between hate speech and an individual attack is very hard to prove. But patterns in the data can constitute proof. Hence my question: is the number of attacks influenced by the hate speech, or not?
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tnguitarist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:50:47am |
re: #188 Ericus58
I just have to say, the playground mini-mobfest directed towards Mandy earlier in the thread was interesting. Was Mandy online and presenting a position that was off-base, some argument happening? Was Mandy even online?
There are opinions and positions that Mandy takes that I may not agree on or support. She is no different than other posters here - I, we all have agreements and disagreements between our fellow Lizards. Let me ask you all this: ever have a day where at one point you are updinging a Lizard and not too long after that you find the ding-finger itching to go mash the negative button on the same person?
I’m not aware of anyone else being subjected to specific ridicule like her. Getting all “Lord of the Flies” against one Lizard (especially when that Lizard isn’t even online or part of a discussion) is obsessive behavior. And this same attitude directed against another Lizard of the opposite political side to Mandy wouldn’t be tolerated.
Cato - for stomping on her kid with that comment has earned you a day of scorn. That was reprehensible.
And that’s sad, because I really liked the Doobie Brothers vid.
For your information, I updinged Cato’s comment because of the apostophe joke. I thought it was funny. I’m glad you know what I was thinking.
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Four More Tears Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:51:04am |
re: #442 NJDhockeyfan
I think he needs more hugs at MSNBC. The poor guy’s feelings are hurt.
It’s happened to Keith O, too, but he didn’t get this pissy.
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Four More Tears Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:51:37am |
re: #444 tnguitarist
For your information, I updinged Cato’s comment because of the apostophe joke. I thought it was funny. I’m glad you know what I was thinking.
I did too, but I took the ding back.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:54:11am |
re: #443 iossarian
Let me explain. When bringing legal cases claiming employment discrimination, it is necessary to look at hiring patterns, because in one individual case, there is often too much noise to be able to discern the act of discrimination.
In the same way, the causal link between hate speech and an individual attack is very hard to prove. But patterns in the data can constitute proof. Hence my question: is the number of attacks influenced by the hate speech, or not?
How the fuck do I know? What attacks are you talking about? Show me the list and we can figure it out one by one.
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pharmmajor Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:54:52am |
Cordoba House supporters blame Democrats and Republicans for inciting anti-Muslim hatred:
huffingtonpost.com
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Gus Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:56:04am |
re: #426 Killgore Trout
He also jumps on the conspiracy bandwagon…
It’s a pretty safe bet Spencer’s books are on his shelf.
Did you see this at TPM?
Student Charged In Muslim Cabbie Slashing Kept Diary Filled With Anti-Muslim Writings
Enright’s reference to a “checkpoint” likely stems from his trip to Afghanistan earlier this year. Friends say Enright definitely changed after getting back from the region, where he was shooting a documentary on a high school friend.
He had been embedded with Task Force Leatherneck in the Helmand province for five weeks during April and early May 2010, a military official said. Enright was registered as working for TV-Worldwide, and was filming his documentary on the 1st Battalion/3rd Marines home-based in Hawaii, Lt. Cmdr. Katie Kendrick, a public affairs officer with the British Royal Navy, told TPMMuckraker.
Alex Eckner, the high school friend of Enright who serves in that Marine battalion, referred TPMMuckraker to his Marine Corps base’s public affairs office in Hawaii, which did not immediately return a call on Thursday morning.
When he returned from his trip, Enright was different, a neighbor and longtime friend identified as Jesse told the New York Daily News.
“He said it was chaos,” said Jesse. “He did mention that they lost a few troops over there.”
By the time he was arrested on Tuesday in midtown Manhattan, Enright had a personal journal on him that was filled with pages of “pretty strong anti-Muslim comments,” a police source told The New York Daily News.
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iossarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:57:33am |
re: #447 NJDhockeyfan
How the fuck do I know? What attacks are you talking about? Show me the list and we can figure it out one by one.
I’m talking about physical assaults on people who “look Muslim”. There was one by a football coach a while back I think. This current one we’re talking about. Maybe local attacks that don’t make the national news.
This is my question: is the number of attacks carried out in the US on people of Middle-Eastern appearance causally affected by members of the Republican party using inflammatory anti-Muslim rhetoric, or not?
Based on our conversation so far, I expect your answer to be “how the fuck should I know”.
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Ericus58 Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:57:52am |
re: #444 tnguitarist
For your information, I updinged Cato’s comment because of the apostophe joke. I thought it was funny. I’m glad you know what I was thinking.
I’ve said what I had on my mind. I don’t think we need to continue.
We all make our choices. Sound good?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:59:34am |
re: #448 pharmmajor
Cordoba House supporters blame Democrats and Republicans for inciting anti-Muslim hatred:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
No… no… no… no… no… the right wing is the only inciters and bigots, those other people, very public people like the ADL, Howard Dean, Patterson, Al-Rashed (director of Al-Arabiya), Rep. John Hall, Mike Arcuri, Harry Reid, Jeff Greene (Fla), Rep. Jason Altmire (PA), Rep. Mike McMahon (ny-13), Steve Israel (ny-2), tim Bishop (ny-1), Mis USA Rima Fakih… they are all just pandering.
| 453 |
Four More Tears Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:00:47am |
re: #452 Walter L. Newton
I bet you’ve had that comment typed out and ready to go for at least a week now.
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iossarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:01:19am |
re: #453 JasonA
I bet you’ve had that comment typed out and ready to go for at least a week now.
BAM!
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iossarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:02:01am |
re: #452 Walter L. Newton
Where’s the list of Republican supporters of the Mosque?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:02:42am |
re: #450 iossarian
I’m talking about physical assaults on people who “look Muslim”. There was one by a football coach a while back I think. This current one we’re talking about. Maybe local attacks that don’t make the national news.
This is my question: is the number of attacks carried out in the US on people of Middle-Eastern appearance causally affected by members of the Republican party using inflammatory anti-Muslim rhetoric, or not?
Based on our conversation so far, I expect your answer to be “how the fuck should I know”.
I haven’t really done any research on that. Post a link to the list of attacks and I will look at them.
| 457 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:02:48am |
re: #453 JasonA
I bet you’ve had that comment typed out and ready to go for at least a week now.
No, I keep lists. Shows you how prepared I am. Didn’t you know I get paid for posting this stuff. I work for the right wing cabal, you know, Hillary mentioned us years ago. We also have something to do with the pictures on the milk cartons, that’s how we communicate, coded messages in the pictures… even check what’s behind those kids in the pictures? Secret messages.
Boo.
| 458 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:03:30am |
re: #455 iossarian
Where’s the list of Republican supporters of the Mosque?
I’m not going to do your job for you… get to it cupcake.
| 460 |
Gus Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:05:40am |
Well, any idea that what Enright did was a conspiracy to heighten the appearance of Islamophobia went out the window according to what he wrote in his diary. He has a hatred for Muslims according to recent news.
| 461 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:06:04am |
re: #458 Walter L. Newton
I’m not going to do your job for you… get to it cupcake.
He has to find my list of attacks of muslims first. Take a number.
| 462 |
garhighway Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:06:29am |
re: #453 JasonA
I bet you’ve had that comment typed out and ready to go for at least a week now.
It was a repost.
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iossarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:07:09am |
re: #456 NJDhockeyfan
I haven’t really done any research on that. Post a link to the list of attacks and I will look at them.
It’s a question that can be answered in the abstract: do you think that anti-Muslim rhetoric by Republican politicians tends to increase the number of attacks carried out in the US on Muslims, or not?
I say it does. You appear to be saying it doesn’t. Time will tell I suppose.
On that note, got to go…
| 464 |
blueraven Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:07:14am |
re: #440 JasonA
I can’t friggin’ stand Schultz.
Ditto. I dont know one single person who likes him. He needs to go. We dont need a “progressive” Limbaugh type.
| 465 |
iossarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:07:45am |
re: #458 Walter L. Newton
I’m not going to do your job for you… get to it cupcake.
OK, here’s the list:
| 466 |
garhighway Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:07:59am |
re: #455 iossarian
Where’s the list of Republican supporters of the Mosque?
Here it is:
1. Ted Olsen
Done.
| 467 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:08:08am |
re: #461 NJDhockeyfan
He has to find my list of attacks of muslims first. Take a number.
Ok… it’s amazing how much Tu quoque gets tossed around here when the liberal have nothing else.
| 468 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:08:16am |
re: #448 pharmmajor
Cordoba House supporters blame Democrats and Republicans for inciting anti-Muslim hatred:
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com…]
Nice bunch of tolerant folks you got there. Here they are cursing out a Holocaust survivor.
| 470 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:09:08am |
| 471 |
tnguitarist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:09:34am |
re: #451 Ericus58
I’ve said what I had on my mind. I don’t think we need to continue.
We all make our choices. Sound good?
So, you get to rant endlessly (while I wasn’t here), but when I explain my upding I get dismissed out of hand? Seems fair. Did I make any comments about anyone’s kid?
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Charles Johnson Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:09:34am |
re: #452 Walter L. Newton
You can’t be seriously trying to mock and laugh off the idea that there’s been a deluge of right wing hate mongering about the Cordoba House project, can you?
Because that would be flat out delusional.
| 473 |
iossarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:09:56am |
re: #468 NJDhockeyfan
Nice bunch of tolerant folks you got there. Here they are cursing out a Holocaust survivor.
[Video]
I thought that there’s no evidence that inflammatory rhetoric has any kind of causal relationship with physical violence?
Really got to go now. Bye all.
| 474 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:11:14am |
re: #472 Charles
You can’t be seriously trying to mock and laugh off the idea that there’s been a deluge of right wing hate mongering about the Cordoba House project, can you?
Because that would be flat out delusional.
Where did I say that?
| 475 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:12:37am |
re: #474 Walter L. Newton
Where did I say that?
Right. You’re just completely puzzled at how anyone could get that idea.
| 476 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:13:26am |
re: #475 Charles
Right. You’re just completely puzzled at how anyone could get that idea.
Where did I say that?
| 477 |
Charles Johnson Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:14:08am |
| 478 |
pharmmajor Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:15:20am |
re: #472 Charles
You can’t be seriously trying to mock and laugh off the idea that there’s been a deluge of right wing hate mongering about the Cordoba House project, can you?
Because that would be flat out delusional.
There’s been idiocy and hatred from both wings, though the far right has been most vocal.
| 480 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:16:56am |
| 481 |
NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:18:43am |
Lawyer Says Alleged Cab Driver Stabber Was Not Motivated By Anti-Muslim Hate
The attorney for Michael Enright, the New York City college student charged with attempted murder as a hate crime for allegedly stabbing a Muslim cab driver Tuesday, denied that his client had acted out of hatred for Muslims.“I don’t believe that he has any underlying hatred or animosity towards Islam or Muslims in general,” said attorney Jason Martin.
Ha ha ha ha ha! Yeah, right. We will just ignore his diary.
| 482 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:20:23am |
re: #477 Charles
Where did I say you said it?
We’re at an impasse. You know I support the community center, you know I am well aware of the rhetoric that is coming from the right, and I am also aware of the knee-jerk reactions that I see around the web to anything related to this community center.
Unfortunately, there is a lot of right wing bigots fueling the push back about this building project. And there are a lot of sincere people who just feel insulted by this building being away where near Ground Zero, no bigotry involved, and then there are people of differing political opinions on both sides who just “feels” this project should not go ahead.
That’s the WHOLE meme that is motivating this… there is a lot of “blame” to go around, if you have to have blame. And add to that 70 percent of people polled, of various stripes.
So, I am not amused by the knee-jerks reactions that I have seen across the blogosphere. I am also not amused by anyone who is opposed to this project.
| 483 |
reloadingisnotahobby Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:21:10am |
Tolerance implies no lack of commitment to ones own belief.
Rather it condemns the oppression or persecution of others.
JFK
| 484 |
Winny Spencer Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:22:36am |
re: #480 NJDhockeyfan
Yes. Truly vile. Surprised no one defended the old man more vehemently.
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Coracle Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:27:10am |
re: #482 Walter L. Newton
And there are a lot of sincere people who just feel insulted by this building being away where near Ground Zero, no bigotry involved, and then there are people of differing political opinions on both sides who just “feels” this project should not go ahead.
I posit that the vast majority of these groups - the “insulted” and those who “just feel” are, in fact one or more of three things: 1) indeed bigoted, despite protestations, 2) prejudiced, in the type definition of the word, having negatively prejudged the motives, intents, and/or effects of Cordoba, or 3) simply, and possibly willfully ignorant of the details. Again, I don’t think that all people against the place are necessarily in any of those categories, but I’ve not heard a single talked out argument against Cordoba house that does not fall into one of those categories.
| 486 |
Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:31:41am |
re: #485 Coracle
I posit that the vast majority of these groups - the “insulted” and those who “just feel” are, in fact one or more of three things: 1) indeed bigoted, despite protestations, 2) prejudiced, in the type definition of the word, having negatively prejudged the motives, intents, and/or effects of Cordoba, or 3) simply, and possibly willfully ignorant of the details. Again, I don’t think that all people against the place are necessarily in any of those categories, but I’ve not heard a single talked out argument against Cordoba house that does not fall into one of those categories.
Evidently I’m implying the same thing. But, over all, if you have 70 percent of people polled fitting into what ever categories, you have a large mind set that in total motivates. This this is fueled by a lot of parameters, not just one.
You take away the pandering, the tacit anti-project support, the “feelings” and so on, you manage to isolate the real culprits… right now it’s a cluster fuck of many types, all supporting, one way or another, the underlying bigotry that runs this.
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Fozzie Bear Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:53:11am |
I have a great idea. Lets all make arguments for who to blame for the flames while Rome burns.
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Four More Tears Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:06:12am |
re: #487 Fozzie Bear
I have a great idea. Lets all make arguments for who to blame for the flames while Rome burns.
Is that why that guy was pissing on the rug?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:11:27am |
re: #488 JasonA
Is that why that guy was pissing on the rug?
He heard someone yell ‘fire’ and he went to help put it out.
//
| 490 |
elbruce Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:20:48am |
re: #452 Walter L. Newton
No… no… no… no… no… the right wing is the only inciters and bigots, those other people, very public people like the ADL, Howard Dean, Patterson, Al-Rashed (director of Al-Arabiya), Rep. John Hall, Mike Arcuri, Harry Reid, Jeff Greene (Fla), Rep. Jason Altmire (PA), Rep. Mike McMahon (ny-13), Steve Israel (ny-2), tim Bishop (ny-1), Mis USA Rima Fakih… they are all just pandering.
Very much so. Their milquetoast statements of mild disapproval, while horrifically disappointing, are hardly the equivalent of the frothing-mouthed wingnuts on the other side and screaming epithets and waving poorly spelled signs. Unless the Magical Balance Fairy has somehow upgraded them to match…
491 |
iceweasel Thu, Aug 26, 2010 12:04:11pm |
re: #188 Ericus58
I’m not aware of anyone else being subjected to specific ridicule like her. Getting all “Lord of the Flies” against one Lizard (especially when that Lizard isn’t even online or part of a discussion) is obsessive behavior. And this same attitude directed against another Lizard of the opposite political side to Mandy wouldn’t be tolerated.
Utter and complete bullshit. Don’t make me find the now deleted comments that you and others updinged about me, — or compile a list of all the people who defended Bagua’s disgusting comments either.
Later.
| 492 |
Spare O'Lake Thu, Aug 26, 2010 1:42:06pm |
re: #491 iceweasel
Utter and complete bullshit. Don’t make me find the now deleted comments that you and others updinged about me, — or compile a list of all the people who defended Bagua’s disgusting comments either.
Later.
You seem to give at least as good as you get when it comes to foul-mouthed name-calling. And no one attacked your child, did they?
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Authoritarian F*ckpuddles Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:42:42pm |
re: #492 Spare O’Lake
You seem to give at least as good as you get when it comes to foul-mouthed name-calling. And no one attacked your child, did they?
Iceweasel has never engaged in the kind of disgusting slurs that have been thrown at her by the likes of Bagua (with your full approval of course), and you know it.
Typical of the wingnut wave to project and play victim of course. See Bagua’s final rants for the basic schematic for this tactic.
PS sorry you can’t - they’re deleted, and he’s banned.
| 494 |
Authoritarian F*ckpuddles Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:44:57pm |
PPS - iceweasel asks: “Spare, shouldn’t you be busy just now setting traps for the muslims hiding under your bed?”
| 495 |
iceweasel Fri, Aug 27, 2010 5:32:37am |
re: #492 Spare O’Lake
You seem to give at least as good as you get when it comes to foul-mouthed name-calling.
Didn’t you mean to address that to your pal Mandy, Spare?
Oh that’s right— you’re a wingnut, so lying and slandering people is just like breathing for you, isn’t it. :)
| 496 |
Spare O'Lake Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:34:27am |
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Authoritarian F*ckpuddles Fri, Aug 27, 2010 2:49:48pm |
re: #496 Spare O’Lake
re: #494 Jimmah
re: #495 iceweasel
I rest my case.
The two of you take a back seat to no one when it comes to vile invective. And no one here has ever slurred your children, have they?
Garbage. (If it wasn’t you’d have links, and you don’t, because you are talking through your arse). We have never slurred anyone’s children here either. But you fully approve of posters who call other posters wives disgusting names (just so long as they are liberals).
Pathetic.
| 498 |
Spare O'Lake Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:32:14am |
re: #497 Jimmah
Garbage. (If it wasn’t you’d have links, and you don’t, because you are talking through your arse). We have never slurred anyone’s children here either. But you fully approve of posters who call other posters wives disgusting names (just so long as they are liberals).
Pathetic.
Still harping on the stale old “you called my wife a bad name” thing? Move on poopsie, and learn how to spell, you arsehead.
| 499 |
Authoritarian F*ckpuddles Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:45:07pm |
re: #498 Spare O’Lake
Still harping on the stale old “you called my wife a bad name” thing? Move on poopsie, and learn how to spell, you arsehead.
All I did was point out your blatant hypocrisy and fake concern for ‘standards’. And you respond with the ‘vile invective’ that you falsely accuse others of. What a surprise.
How does it feel to be the saddest little rageball left on LGF, Spare?
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