I have never liked Ted...Hard core wingnut who plays rock ( And really..Not that well)

Wangoed one too many tangos

I patiently await David Lee Roth's rebuttal statement... /

He still sells tunes.

At what point do they just start dropping the N bomb without batting an eyelid?

re: #5 mikefromArlington

At what point do they just start dropping the N bomb without batting an eyelid?

Didn't they already start?

the Nuge appeared on the overtly white supremacist Tennessee radio show The Political Cesspool.

Definitely wrecks the humor and takes away the "just another whacky celebrity" factor. Seems like he and Mel Gibson would get along great.

I saw the Nuge open for Aerosmith. Was a great night. Steven Tyler didn't even fall off the stage.

But Beck said just the other day that Obama was a Christian. Sure, not the kind of Christianity that America recognizes, and seems really like Islam and not grounded to any conventional Christianity that Beck recognizes, but he stopped short of calling him a flat out Muslim.

Its so confusing.

What's so terrible about Ted Nugent?

In 1969, Terrible Ted was sent notice to report for his "Armed Forces Physical Exam" on August 28th of that year. Being a college-educated Conservative faced with actually going to war and fighting for the country he claims to love so much, Mr Nugent did the only sensible thing he could think of: He peed (and pooped) his pants...Literally.

In a 1977 interview with High Times Magazine:

"I got 30 days' notice of the physical, I ceased cleansing my body. Two weeks before the test I stopped eating food with nutritional value. [presumably to foul his lab tests] A week before, I stopped going to the bathroom. I did it in my pants. My pants got crusted up."

That's right, in order to avoid serving his country in uniform, this brave son of a former Army Drill Sergeant, lived in his own filth for a week.

Jame Taranto if the WSJ hasn't said Obama is a Muslim, but in his column today he puts forth the argument that he may not be a Christian."

"Obama's Feral Cat Hisses
The New Republic's Jonathan Chait is as fascinated by the president's religion as our cat gets when we shine a flashlight at the wall. Chait insists Barack Obama isn't Muslim, and we're inclined to agree. Sen. Mitch McConnell even went so far as to say he takes the president at his word that he's Christian--but that's not good enough for Chait:

*** QUOTE ***
If you want to put the question to rest, you answer, "Of course he is a Christian." Taranto seems to think the only way to answer the question is to begin your answer with the phrase, "The president says he's a Christian." The whole point is that you don't frame the answer this way.

Taranto also thinks Obama's say-so is the only information here. How about the fact that he converted to Christianity? And joined a church? And attended that church for years? Those facts are a matter of public record. McConnell's answer is a way of suggesting that the answer is unknown but he's generously giving Obama the benefit of the doubt.
*** END QUOTE ***

Does Chait really want to talk about the church Obama left 2? years ago for reasons of political expediency? The one whose pastor blamed America for 9/11 and thundered, "God damn America!"? The one that published Hamas propaganda in its newsletter? No wonder some people thought the president was Muslim. This sounds more like the kind of thing you'd hear in an extremist mosque than in anything most Americans would recognize as a church.

Obama's defense was that he didn't hear the sermons. Our guess is that excuse rings true to many churchgoers, but it doesn't speak of strong religious devotion. There was also then-Sen. Obama's famous April 2008 comment, reported by the Puffington Host:

*** QUOTE ***
"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama said. "And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."
*** END QUOTE ***

"They cling to . . . religion" is a very odd thing for a Christian to say about fellow Christians. To our ear, it sounds more like the statement of a nonbeliever, and one who is not only detached from but somewhat disdainful of the faith in question. So our honest answer to the question "What religion is Obama?" is "We don't know."

We are agnostic and don't think it reflects badly on Obama if he is too. Does Chait disagree?"

re: #10 publicityStunted

What's so terrible about Ted Nugent?

Are you sure he didn't write Alice's Restaurant?
/

Whatever happened to the whole "Shut Up and Sing" thing?

re: #13 bratwurst

Whatever happened to the whole "Shut Up and Sing" thing?

Love that book.

re: #13 bratwurst

Whatever happened to the whole "Shut Up and Sing" thing?

Does not apply when the artist is on your side.

I don't think drugs would help. Unless he gets heavily into Thorazine.

Bill Hicks - Drugs and Evolution

Good. The more crazy Glenn Beck gets on stage with him and Sarah, the better. He should get Fred Phelps to give the opening prayer in one of his "God Hates Fags" T-shirts, too. I want Beck and Palin to get as much negativity associated with them as possible, so that being associated with them becomes political suicide.

re: #11 thelacritic

tl;dr

Anyone expecting musical skills to equate to some innate sensibility in the rest of their lives is very, very likely to be disappointed. How many examples do we need of excellent artists being a bit soft (or worse) in the head?

I don't expect any good music from Karl Rove or Keith Olbermann either. NSFW folks!!!

re: #10 publicityStunted

What's so terrible about Ted Nugent?

He must have read Tuli Kupferberg's book "101 Ways to Beat the Draft"

re: #20 Rightwingconspirator

Anyone expecting musical skills to equate to some innate sensibility in the rest of their lives is very, very likely to be disappointed. How many examples do we need of excellent artists being a bit soft (or worse) in the head?

I don't expect any good music from Karl Rove or Keith Olbermann either. NSFW folks!!!

A duet singing "Anything You Can Slime I Can Slime Better"?

Dori: “So you believe he is a Muslim operative who has, through deceit, gotten amazing power in this nation and this world?”

Nuge: “WANGO TANGO!”

re: #8 Cannadian Club Akbar

I saw the Nuge open for Aerosmith. Was a great night. Steven Tyler didn't even fall off the stage.

LOL I never saw Ted. Gads we were all hot for him... 30 years ago before we knew he was a kook. The hair, the screaming, the bare chest...

I saw Aerosmith, sans Joe Perry. They were my ultimate favorite group, but Tyler was so messed up, the band was out of tune. They sounded like a bunch of yowling monkeys.

Outdoor concert, battle of the bands. We finally got up to the stage when security turned the fire hoses on us to keep back. Brilliant. Meanwhile the crowd kept pushing in from behind. I got popped up like a cork in the crowd, off the ground, out of my shoes and started getting carried off by the crowd. I finally landed in a heap on the side and made it back to some friends in the stands. Never did general admission again.

re: #13 bratwurst

Whatever happened to the whole "Shut Up and Sing" thing?

Oh Laura Ingraham! What a sack of ass

re: #20 Rightwingconspirator

That's not actually Olbermann singing in that video...he was disgusted by the song.

bill hicks drugs and music

re: #23 devinmccurdy

Dori: “So you believe he is a Muslim operative who has, through deceit, gotten amazing power in this nation and this world?”

Nuge: “WANGO TANGO!”

There you go. An Eliza-bot that answers all questions using Ted Nugent lyrics. :)

re: #18 darthstar
Why yes, he could even end up a media outcast, languishing in utter disgrace and obscurity, like... Sarah Palin.

I have the song Great White Buffalo running through my head.

re: #21 Alouette

He must have read Tuli Kupferberg's book "101 Ways to Beat the Draft"

Ted Nugent shat himself for a week before appearing at his draft board. They got one whiff of him, covered in his own feces, and labeled him 'unfit to serve'. That's how he dodged the draft.

re: #26 darthstar

I'm surprised it's still up. He could have reported it to youtube.

re: #29 tradewind

Why yes, he could even end up a media outcast, languishing in utter disgrace and obscurity, like... Sarah Palin.

I know...you're a fan of Beck and Palin.

SHUT UP AND SING!

re: #31 darthstar

Ted Nugent shat himself for a week before appearing at his draft board. They got one whiff of him, covered in his own feces, and labeled him 'unfit to serve'. That's how he dodged the draft.

He should have just protested the war in a foreign country or joined the Texas Air National guard!!
//fair and balanced, that zinger!!

re: #19 WindUpBird

tl;dr

Disemvoweling time!

re: #32 Rightwingconspirator

I'm surprised it's still up. He could have reported it to youtube.

It's obvious it's not his voice, and that someone is trying to sound like him...or they've taken audio of him talking and auto-tuned it to make him sound like he's singing the song, but Keith doesn't let shit like that bother him too much.

re: #36 Cato the Elder

Disemvoweling time!

[Link: www.urbandictionary.com...]

I believe he's also made appearences on chief nutjob Alex Jones's show.

re: #20 Rightwingconspirator

Anyone expecting musical skills to equate to some innate sensibility in the rest of their lives is very, very likely to be disappointed. How many examples do we need of excellent artists being a bit soft (or worse) in the head?

I don't expect any good music from Karl Rove or Keith Olbermann either. NSFW folks!!!

Elvis Costello.

re: #40 MandyManners

Elvis Costello.

GG Allen.

re: #10 publicityStunted

What's so terrible about Ted Nugent?

Chickenshit.

re: #41 Cannadian Club Akbar

GG Allen.

Who?

re: #10 publicityStunted

What's so terrible about Ted Nugent?

Yikes! Doesn't he own a ranch where you can hunt, but it's "canned hunting" meaning the animals are in a confined area and there isn't so much skill about it?

re: #21 Alouette

He must have read Tuli Kupferberg's book "101 Ways to Beat the Draft"

And/or Abbie Hoffman's 'Steal This Book'...

re: #28 oaktree

There you go. An Eliza-bot that answers all questions using Ted Nugent lyrics. :)

Dori: What do you think Obama is doing to this country?

Nuge: GOT YOU IN A STRANGLEHOLD, BABY!

re: #43 MandyManners

Who?

You don't want to know. It's disgusting.

re: #43 MandyManners

Who?

[Link: www.ggallin.com...]

I spelled his name wrong.

re: #33 darthstar
You really don't know.
But Beck and Palin both seem to occupy considerably more rental space in your head than they ever will in mine.

Oh man, Alaska got some fun Republicans:

Among Miller's views: He wants to eliminate the Department of Education, believes the government shouldn't pay for unemployment insurance and says of climate change on his campaign site that it "may not even exist." Among the more mainstream GOP positions he's taken: Miller would cut welfare; eliminate health care for the poor by scrapping Medicaid; and the Anchorage Daily News reported that he has has called for sweeping cuts to Medicare and Social Security with a goal of phasing them out entirely in favor of total privatization.

re: #44 marjoriemoon

Yikes! Doesn't he own a ranch where you can hunt, but it's "canned hunting" meaning the animals are in a confined area and there isn't so much skill about it?

Yup...

re: #44 marjoriemoon

Yikes! Doesn't he own a ranch where you can hunt, but it's "canned hunting" meaning the animals are in a confined area and there isn't so much skill about it?

hahaha video games are more authentic than that shit

re: #47 tnguitarist

You don't want to know. It's disgusting.

re: #48 Cannadian Club Akbar

[Link: www.ggallin.com...]

I spelled his name wrong.

I just Wiki'ed his name. I'm betting that was fudge he ate on stage.

re: #28 oaktree

There you go. An Eliza-bot that answers all questions using Ted Nugent lyrics. :)

It's a dog-eat-dog world.

re: #50 WindUpBird

Miller's also taking the Sharron Angle approach to interviews...by running away from the press.

re: #53 MandyManners

re: #48 Cannadian Club Akbar

I just Wiki'ed his name. I'm betting that was fudge he ate on stage.

Ah, close.

re: #49 tradewind

You really don't know.
But Beck and Palin both seem to occupy considerably more rental space in your head than they ever will in mine.

Rental space? How much do they pay? Because I think they owe me considerable back-rent.

Fucking deadbeats.

re: #56 Cannadian Club Akbar

Ah, close.

No way he ate the real thing.

re: #57 Cato the Elder

Rental space? How much do they pay? Because I think they owe me considerable back-rent.

Fucking deadbeats.

Keep their deposit.

re: #51 ShaunP

Yup...

Ya know, I'm really only against sport hunting, but this guy is a f*ing slimeball in so many ways.

re: #58 MandyManners

No way he ate the real thing.

Ah, yes.

re: #53 MandyManners
Good work! I can glean the gist of that conversation from your post without having to even get into the dirty details.
:)

re: #61 Cannadian Club Akbar

Ah, yes.

No shit?

re: #51 ShaunP

Yup...

Wow...I didn't realize Nugent was a fake hunter. What a piece of shit.

I can't believe I'm having this conversation.

re: #59 Cannadian Club Akbar

Keep their deposit.

Unfortunately, said deposit consists of mental sludge. I have to flush out my brain three times a week.

re: #37 darthstar

I thought it was an auto tune mash up. His words but re arranged etc. Anyway my only point is Ted is no commentator and neither Rove or Olbermann have any musical skills. Mutually exclusive skills perhaps.

re: #65 MandyManners

I can't believe I'm having this conversation.

You were warned...

re: #25 WindUpBird

Oh Laura Ingraham! What a sack of ass

Truly even a broken clock. I am in full support of actors and musicians sticking to their core talent. If they want to do the Ed Asner or Ronald Reagan thing later in life after having shown some leadership with the Union or local politics fine. But when I go to a concert or read the entertainment news I don't look for Ted Koppel to sing. Conversely I would rather not get political commentary from Sean Penn or Babs. simply by virtue of the fact that they have a microphone in front of their maw.

Of course they have the right to do so and I wouldn't want them to be denied their rights. I just wish some would exercise them more prudently. "George Bush Sucks" and "Obama is a Moooslim" is not entertinment.

re: #49 tradewind

You really don't know.
But Beck and Palin both seem to occupy considerably more rental space in your head than they ever will in mine.

I'm actually interested in politics, maybe you're not

If you want to play pretend and claim that Palin isn't having an effect on the midterms, be my guest

It seemed like Miller was cruisin' for a bruisin' on Tuesday, but he's leading Sen. Lisa Murkowski by 1,668 votes with absentee ballots still outstanding. Palin recorded a last-minute robo-call for him, and the Fairbanks lawyer seems poised to be the nominee. He's never held office.

Palin started off the primary season strong. Nikki Haley in South Carolina won the GOP primary for governor and appeared to benefit from Palin’s endorsement, as did Carly Fiorina in California.

Palin scored wins in two other Republican congressional primaries on Tuesday.

In Arizona's 1st District, Palin backed Paul Gosar, who won in a crowded field. Gosar will face Rep. Ann Kirkpatrick (D-Ariz.) in November. And in Florida, Col. Allen West won his primary over nominal opposition to face Rep. Ron Klein (D) in the fall. That's a rematch of the 2008 race.

re: #57 Cato the Elder
Wasn't talking about yours, silly. No one's getting past that ' This Property Is Condemned ' sign.

re: #55 darthstar

Miller's also taking the Sharron Angle approach to interviews...by running away from the press.

Run run run run run

run run run away

whooa whooa whoaa-ohhh
AI YI YI YI YI YI YI

re: #68 tnguitarist

You were warned...

Yes, I was. But, curiousity got the better of me.

Beck: Reclaiming the Civil Rights movement

This is going to be a moment that you'll never be able to paint people as haters, racists, none of it," he says of the event featuring Sarah Palin and other conservative political and cultural figures. "This is a moment, quite honestly, that I think we reclaim the civil rights movement."
...
But organizers of Saturday's rally are telling attendees not to bring signs, "as they may deter from the peaceful message we are bringing to Washington."

Signs at some tea party events have included pictures of Obama embellished with a Hitler-style mustache, racial epithets and threats to Democratic officials. Such posters have given tea party critics grounds to claim the loose organization of activists is motivated by racism against the nation's first black president.

"Dr. King never had to ask anyone to leave their signs and guns at home," said Benjamin Todd Jealous, president of the NAACP. "To say to your followers, don't bring your signs — it's like saying don't open your mouth."

"The 8-28 rally is supposedly is about 'reclaiming the civil rights movement,' but it is being led by someone whose idea of a racist is the president of the United States," said Jess Levin, a spokesman for the liberal Media Matters for America. "This rally is about one thing and one thing only. And that's promoting Beck's political agenda."

re: #44 marjoriemoon

Yikes! Doesn't he own a ranch where you can hunt, but it's "canned hunting" meaning the animals are in a confined area and there isn't so much skill about it?

Kind of like my cat going after my toes in bed.

re: #75 DaddyG
* ewww*

re: #68 tnguitarist

i have to say that i looked too after the warning. and yes, my brain is stained.

re: #64 darthstar

Wow...I didn't realize Nugent was a fake hunter. What a piece of shit.

He nobly sneaks up on trapped animals and kills them to prove his masculinity. Whats wrong with that?

/

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

my head asploded

re: #77 zora

i have to say that i looked too after the warning. and yes, my brain is stained.

So were Nugent's undies.

re: #53 MandyManners

re: #48 Cannadian Club Akbar

I just Wiki'ed his name. I'm betting that was fudge he ate on stage.

Sorry. The Murder Junkies guitarist is an old friend of mine. You'd be wrong.

re: #69 DaddyG

Truly even a broken clock. I am in full support of actors and musicians sticking to their core talent. If they want to do the Ed Asner or Ronald Reagan thing later in life after having shown some leadership with the Union or local politics fine. But when I go to a concert or read the entertainment news I don't look for Ted Koppel to sing. Conversely I would rather not get political commentary from Sean Penn or Babs. simply by virtue of the fact that they have a microphone in front of their maw.

Of course they have the right to do so and I wouldn't want them to be denied their rights. I just wish some would exercise them more prudently. "George Bush Sucks" and "Obama is a Moooslim" is not entertinment.

Artists are citizens, they get to speak out, and their status affords them special privileges.

what makes a radio jock like Limbaugh, Mark Levin, G Gordon Liddy, Rusty Humphries, Thom Hartmann, Stephanie Miller, Randi Rhoads, Lionel, Mike Gallagher, Michael Savage or any of these guys any better than a rock star or an actor?

Sean Penn is a douche, but makes a hell of a lot more sense than Levin does

re: #81 Jeff In Ohio

Sorry. The Murder Junkies guitarist is an old friend of mine. You'd be wrong.

But, WHY???

re: #81 Jeff In Ohio
Okay, this has to stop/
Barely enough time for cleansing breaths before time to start cookin'.

re: #81 Jeff In Ohio

Sorry. The Murder Junkies guitarist is an old friend of mine. You'd be wrong.

Who was wrong? (sorry had to deal with some things real qick)

re: #80 MandyManners

Sigh.
Men and their skid marks. /
One of the last barriers to a truly civilized society.

and lo, the irrelevant shall once again be upon our tongues by way of his talent to gather the crazy into a singular, mighty teat of derp from whence the fools suckle.

re: #86 tradewind

Sigh.
Men and their skid marks. /
One of the last barriers to a truly civilized society.

This is why I don't wear white underwear.
/

re: #86 tradewind

Sigh.
Men and their skid marks. /
One of the last barriers to a truly civilized society.

We're hairy, smelly, can't wipe our asses...

What's not to like about men?

re: #89 tnguitarist

We're hairy, smelly, can't wipe our asses...

What's not to like about men?

And we scratch "places".

re: #82 WindUpBird

Artists are citizens, they get to speak out, and their status affords them special privileges.

what makes a radio jock like Limbaugh, Mark Levin, G Gordon Liddy, Rusty Humphries, Thom Hartmann, Stephanie Miller, Randi Rhoads, Lionel, Mike Gallagher, Michael Savage or any of these guys any better than a rock star or an actor?

Sean Penn is a douche, but makes a hell of a lot more sense than Levin does

They're entitled to their opinions and to espouse them openly in any forum they are allowed to do so.

We are entitled to our opinions that they are douchebags, can choose not to support them and mock them for being complete asshats.

Ah, freedom.

I tire of fools who think the Oval Office = Supreme Emperor of America. Even if Obama was everything his detractors claim, there are still checks and balances that prevent any of the three branches from being "all powerful".

re: #83 MandyManners

But, WHY???

the guy was a sociopath and he's dead. Some people love the shock value of stuff and reward it by elevating people who should be in jail to cult status (Wendy O, Williams, GG, etc.).

And some people like golf.

I don't get either.

re: #69 DaddyG

Off the top of my head, musicians with political songs:

Bruce Springsteen
Public Enemy
Bob Dylan
Black Flag
Dead Kennedys
Bad Religion
Crosby Stills and Nash
Rage Against the Machine
Skinny Puppy
Ministry
Dalek
John Lennon
Joan Baez

Should Bruce Springsteen "shut up and sing"?

Don't make me laugh, seriously, what a ridiculous notion, trying to separate Springsteen's politics from his music. Laura Ingraham should bow down to Springsteen, she's an ant in the culture comparatively, just another complainer

re: #90 Cannadian Club Akbar

And we scratch "places".

Pinch and roll, pinch and roll...

re: #11 thelacritic

Does Chait really want to talk about the church Obama left 2? years ago for reasons of political expediency?

Yeah, it wouldn't be very "expedient" to have to commute between D.C. and Chicago just to attend church services, would it?

re: #11 thelacritic

The one whose pastor blamed America for 9/11 and thundered, "God damn America!"?

The notion that God brings harm on countries that flout his will is pretty common on the Christian right, although I personally believe it's a fringe perversion of Christian theology. At least Rev. Wright wasn't suggesting that God had caused 9/11 because we don't kill our gay people, as Pat Robertson and Fred Phelps both claim. Rather, he was suggesting (also with his "chickens come home to roost" speech) that 9/11 was at least in part a result of American foreign policy over the last century. Again, making God a part of that causal chain is pretty awful. But the connection between the way we've treated other nations and the rise of Global Terrorism (tm) isn't a particularly controversial one any more. Even Glenn Beck agrees with it.

re: #11 thelacritic

The one that published Hamas propaganda in its newsletter?

Propaganda? Possibly. The same article had been published in the L.A. Times. But in any case, I know that a great many Christian denominations are frequently concerned with the situation on the ground in Israel, and want as much information as they can get. And the best way to be informed about anything is to hear what both sides have to say, whether you agree with it or not.

re: #11 thelacritic

No wonder some people thought the president was Muslim. This sounds more like the kind of thing you'd hear in an extremist mosque than in anything most Americans would recognize as a church.

Nonsense; many, many churches use similar rhetorical methodology. In fact, the more evangelical/fundamentalist they are, the less they mince words, just like this.

re: #11 thelacritic

Obama's defense was that he didn't hear the sermons. Our guess is that excuse rings true to many churchgoers, but it doesn't speak of strong religious devotion.

As exactly two of the sermons ("God damn America" and "chickens home to roost") were ever broadcast and complained about out of thousands that Rev. Wright gave, it demonstrates both that they'd be easy to miss, and that the people complaining were clearly doing an incredibly heavy editing job.

re: #11 thelacritic

"They cling to . . . religion" is a very odd thing for a Christian to say about fellow Christians. To our ear, it sounds more like the statement of a nonbeliever, and one who is not only detached from but somewhat disdainful of the faith in question.

There are millions of perfectly devout Christians around the world who don't "cling" to religion; that is, who don't allow it to dominate their lives to the degree that they no longer operate in fact-based reality. To call them all nonbelievers is religious slander bordering on hate speech.

re: #11 thelacritic

So our honest answer to the question "What religion is Obama?" is "We don't know.""

Hardly honest. You want to paint him as a liar because you oppose his politics. Not the other way around. It's cheap, it's dishonest, and it's more of a smear of decent Christian faith than anything a "seekrit muslim" could do.

Christian leaders trying to put an end to this kind of rhetoric from Nugent, Beck, etc...

As Christian leaders— whose primary responsibility is sharing the gospel of Jesus Christ with our congregations, our communities, and our world— we are deeply troubled by the recent questioning of President Obama’s faith. We understand that these are contentious times, but the personal faith of our leaders should not be up for public debate.

President Obama has been unwavering in confessing Christ as Lord and has spoken often about the importance of his Christian faith. Many of the signees on this letter have prayed and worshipped with this President. We believe that questioning, and especially misrepresenting, the faith of a confessing believer goes too far.

This is not a political issue. The signers of this letter come from different political and ideological backgrounds, but we are unified in our belief in Jesus Christ. As Christian pastors and leaders, we believe that fellow Christians need to be an encouragement to those who call Christ their savior, not question the veracity of their faith.

Therefore, we urge public officials, faith leaders, and the media to offer no further support or airtime to those who misrepresent and call into question the President’s Christian faith. And we join with the President in praying that God will continue to bless the United States of America.

Well, I can guarantee the media won't give this much air-time...they'll ruin all the fun of encouraging the "Obama is a muslim" debate if they do.

re: #93 Jeff In Ohio

Didn't GG die in Orlando? And golf is relaxing. The 19th hole is the best.

re: #11 thelacritic

We are agnostic...

You are a liar. Your entire claim here is that somebody who isn't Christian enough must not be Christian at all. Only somebody who clings to religion would say that.

re: #85 Cannadian Club Akbar

Who was wrong? (sorry had to deal with some things real qick)

You were quite right: G.G. Allin: shit eater, rapist, sociopath, dead. Karma is strong.

what is the Stones stance on all this crap?

Rolling, not Sly and The Family

re: #92 Slumbering Behemoth

I tire of fools who think the Oval Office = Supreme Emperor of America. Even if Obama was everything his detractors claim, there are still checks and balances that prevent any of the three branches from being "all powerful".

I always find the "Leader of the Free World" label to be annoying as hell...

re: #75 DaddyG

Kind of like my cat going after my toes in bed.

OMG I have one with a toe fetish. She thinks my toes are her washcloths. She licks my big toe and then rubs her face on it.

But maybe I've said too much.

re: #91 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

They're entitled to their opinions and to espouse them openly in any forum they are allowed to do so.

We are entitled to our opinions that they are douchebags, can choose not to support them and mock them for being complete asshats.

Ah, freedom.

Sure

But the notion that artists shouldn't have political views (or that their political views can't inform their music) it's just not supported by the culture of America at all, it's a completely outside the mainstream, some of the greatest songs in American history are distinctly political

re: #93 Jeff In Ohio

the guy was a sociopath and he's dead. Some people love the shock value of stuff and reward it by elevating people who should be in jail to cult status (Wendy O, Williams, GG, etc.).

And some people like golf.

I don't get either.

I just Wiki'ed her. She was quite a messed up woman.

re: #93 Jeff In Ohio

the guy was a sociopath and he's dead. Some people love the shock value of stuff and reward it by elevating people who should be in jail to cult status (Wendy O, Williams, GG, etc.).

And some people like golf.

I don't get either.

Uh, someone can be an influential musician, be worthy of cult status, and also be in jail

Do you consider time in jail to be an automatic disqualifier of someone's work?

lol

re: #83 MandyManners

But, WHY???

GG Allin was born Jesus Christ Allin at Weeks Memorial Hospital in Lancaster, New Hampshire, the second and youngest son born to Merle Colby Allin, Sr. and Arleta Gunther.[1] He was given this messianic name because his father, then 33 years old and a fanatical Christian, told his wife, then 20 years old, that Jesus Christ himself had visited him and told him that his newborn son would be a great and all powerful man in the vein of the Messiah.[1][4]

The family lived in a log cabin with no water or electricity in northern New Hampshire. Allin's father, who forbade all conversation in the home after dark, was a religious fanatic and an antisocial man, and was physically abusive towards his wife and children, though GG himself never used this as an excuse for any of his personal troubles.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

kid had a rough start. not saying it's why he ate poop onstage, but it could be related.

re: #98 Cannadian Club Akbar

Didn't GG die in Orlando? And golf is relaxing. The 19th hole is the best.

I don't remember, but I believe he killed himself. Orlando would be somehow apropos. You could look it up. The guy was a pig.

re: #103 marjoriemoon

OMG I have one with a toe fetish. She thinks my toes are her washcloths. She licks my big toe and then rubs her face on it.

But maybe I've said too much.

I have a bulldog that I can't take my shoes off around. He doesn't do it to anyone else.

re: #99 elbruce

You are a liar. Your entire claim here is that somebody who isn't Christian enough must not be Christian at all. Only somebody who clings to religion would say that.

Beck is currently using the term "unrecognizable" to attack Obama Christianity. It confuses him.

He's a witch hunter twitching to find a heretic to burn.

re: #108 Jeff In Ohio

I don't remember, but I believe he killed himself. Orlando would be somehow apropos. You could look it up. The guy was a pig.

He was a pig. And his music sucked, so there's that.

re: #71 tradewind

Wasn't talking about yours, silly. No one's getting past that ' This Property Is Condemned ' sign.

Living inside a condemned brain is much cheaper and far more pleasant than living inside one that is wholly owned an operated by fascists.

Just so you know.

re: #109 tnguitarist

I have a bulldog that I can't take my shoes off around. He doesn't do it to anyone else.

Maybe if you quit wrapping your toes in bacon he would stop.

I realize on re: #71 tradewind

Wasn't talking about yours, silly. No one's getting past that ' This Property Is Condemned ' sign.

I notice you're not exactly responding to all my links about Sarah Palin's endorsements being important for far right wing Republicans winning their primaries

Just thought I'd bring that to your selective attention

re: #96 elbruce

I think the bigger question is why the hell do we care?

Oh yea, there's that clause in the Constitution that says only white Christian men can be President.

I know it's there. Somewhere.

I bet Ted can find it. Give him time.

re: #113 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Maybe if you quit wrapping your toes in bacon he would stop.

Damn. I'll give that a try.

re: #105 MandyManners

I just Wiki'ed her. She was quite a messed up woman.

Saw them both in their heyday. Wendy was quite fetching wrapped only in cellophane. I heard she was a singer.

re: #94 WindUpBird

Off the top of my head, musicians with political songs:

Bruce Springsteen
Public Enemy
Bob Dylan
Black Flag
Dead Kennedys
Bad Religion
Crosby Stills and Nash
Rage Against the Machine
Skinny Puppy
Ministry
Dalek
John Lennon
Joan Baez

From your excellent list of examples, I'd say the difference is that if you can mix art and politics, it still has to be good art. Properly blended, that makes for some of the best. Or at least, it beats the hell out of "everybody dance ya ya" vapidity.

re: #118 elbruce

neil young

re: #106 WindUpBird

Uh, someone can be an influential musician, be worthy of cult status, and also be in jail

Do you consider time in jail to be an automatic disqualifier of someone's work?

lol

No, otherwise I'd have to disqualify myself. But then again, that's not what I said.

re: #94 WindUpBird

Off the top of my head, musicians with political songs:

Bruce Springsteen
Public Enemy
Bob Dylan
Black Flag
Dead Kennedys
Bad Religion
Crosby Stills and Nash
Rage Against the Machine
Skinny Puppy
Ministry
Dalek
John Lennon
Joan Baez

Should Bruce Springsteen "shut up and sing"?

Don't make me laugh, seriously, what a ridiculous notion, trying to separate Springsteen's politics from his music. Laura Ingraham should bow down to Springsteen, she's an ant in the culture comparatively, just another complainer

Neil Young

re: #96 elbruce
You might be interested in reading an excerpt from Game Change describing what happened when Obama suddenly realized that Wright's rhetoric was going to be a problem for him.

I hate when I go to a concert, paying to hear music, and get some idiot complaining on stage about whatever. See Axl Rose. Not political complaining either.

re: #119 spikester

neil young

You beat me to it.

This Spud's for you!

re: #110 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Beck is currently using the term "unrecognizable" to attack Obama Christianity. It confuses him.

Has anybody told him he's a Mormon?

Not to get all anti-LDS or anything, but it was my impression that they believe that a tribe of Israel has been living in Central America for the last 2000 years or so, with absolutely zero archaeological evidence to show for it. And that's one of the least wacky things they believe.

I don't think any religious person is in the position to point their fingers at another religious person and shout "that guy believes weird things!"

re: #119 spikester

Krista Branch
/imsuchastinker

re: #122 tradewind

You might be interested in reading an excerpt from Game Change describing what happened when Obama suddenly realized that Wright's rhetoric was going to be a problem for him.

Or you could just tell us.

re: #118 elbruce

From your excellent list of examples, I'd say the difference is that if you can mix art and politics, it still has to be good art. Properly blended, that makes for some of the best. Or at least, it beats the hell out of "everybody dance ya ya" vapidity.

I think my biggest surprise regarding music during Iraq War The Second, was when Green Day came out with American Idiot, just such a great record, and I never would have expected a strong protest record to come from Green Day

re: #107 zora

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

kid had a rough start. not saying it's why he ate poop onstage, but it could be related.

Oh, my stars. I wish the state had intervened. Poor kids.

So Ted sez: Obama is trying to take over this country with his "Islamic, Muslim, Marxist, Communist and socialist agenda."

Not all of those peas belong in the same pod.

Couldn't Obama just pick one way to destroy America? It would make things so much simpler in terms of patriot opposition.

Oh, wait, I see: this is his genius.

re: #120 Jeff In Ohio

No, otherwise I'd have to disqualify myself. But then again, that's not what I said.

You said you didn't understand why Wendy O has cult status as a musician

re: #125 elbruce

Has anybody told him he's a Mormon?

Not to get all anti-LDS or anything, but it was my impression that they believe that a tribe of Israel has been living in Central America for the last 2000 years or so, with absolutely zero archaeological evidence to show for it. And that's one of the least wacky things they believe.

I don't think any religious person is in the position to point their fingers at another religious person and shout "that guy believes weird things!"

How about the atheists?

re: #129 MandyManners

Oh, my stars. I wish the state had intervened. Poor kids.

Notice I didn't say "poor wife". She was an adult who allowed her kids to be abused.

re: #125 elbruce

Has anybody told him he's a Mormon?

Not to get all anti-LDS or anything, but it was my impression that they believe that a tribe of Israel has been living in Central America for the last 2000 years or so, with absolutely zero archaeological evidence to show for it. And that's one of the least wacky things they believe.

I don't think any religious person is in the position to point their fingers at another religious person and shout "that guy believes weird things!"

He was mormon, until he became born again. Now he has free rein to be a pompous ass, because now he's saved.

re: #122 tradewind

You might be interested in reading an excerpt from Game Change describing what happened when Obama suddenly realized that Wright's rhetoric was going to be a problem for him.

Oh man is it 2008 again?

I gotta go buy some stocks, holy shit

re: #131 WindUpBird

You said you didn't understand why Wendy O has cult status as a musician

Electrical tape on her nipples. And her tits covered in shaving cream. Rock on!!

Let's talk about hanging chads, that's also very relevant

re: #94 WindUpBird

Off the top of my head, musicians with political songs:

Bruce Springsteen
Public Enemy
Bob Dylan
Black Flag
Dead Kennedys
Bad Religion
Crosby Stills and Nash
Rage Against the Machine
Skinny Puppy
Ministry
Dalek
John Lennon
Joan Baez

Should Bruce Springsteen "shut up and sing"?

Don't make me laugh, seriously, what a ridiculous notion, trying to separate Springsteen's politics from his music. Laura Ingraham should bow down to Springsteen, she's an ant in the culture comparatively, just another complainer

Without political music, many, if not most of the great songs of the late 1960s wouldn't exist.

And if you want to make an uber-conservative's head asplode, have them read the lyrics to Woodie Guthrie's "This Land is Your Land" past the first verse.

re: #134 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He was mormon, until he became born again. Now he has free rein to be a pompous ass, because now he's saved.

No. Beck is still a Mormon.

re: #114 WindUpBird
Not sure if you're addressing me or not. If so, it's a meandering kind of path there.
Are you trying to educate me as to the impact former Gov. Palin has on the electability of right-wing pols?
Because I can't imagine many people would argue against that point.

re: #131 WindUpBird

You said you didn't understand why Wendy O has cult status as a musician

Point taken. I should have qualified only with GG Allin as his rape conviction in Indiana was really just the tip of the ol' iceberg.

re: #117 Jeff In Ohio

Saw them both in their heyday. Wendy was quite fetching wrapped only in cellophane. I heard she was a singer.

Wasn't that dangerous?

re: #136 Cannadian Club Akbar

Electrical tape on her nipples. And her tits covered in shaving cream. Rock on!!

I was quite partial to the school bus demolition derbies

music was pretty cool too :D

re: #115 marjoriemoon

I think the bigger question is why the hell do we care?

Oh yea, there's that clause in the Constitution that says only white Christian men can be President.

I know it's there. Somewhere.

Wingnuts often freeze their debate opponents like a deer in headlights by saying something that can be easily argued against in two completely different ways. In this case, whether Obama is a Christian vs. whether that should matter. As a rule of thumb, I just hold the line at the facts, and save the characterizations for later.

However, I would point out that the notion (firmly embedded in the American electoral psyche) that the POTUS has to be a member of the majority religion, is almost exactly the reasoning given for the '79 Iranian revolution and the shaping of their Constitution since.

re: #122 tradewind

You might be interested in reading an excerpt from Game Change describing what happened when Obama suddenly realized that Wright's rhetoric was going to be a problem for him.

The wheels on the bus go 'round and 'round, 'round and 'round.

re: #140 tradewind

Not sure if you're addressing me or not. If so, it's a meandering kind of path there.
Are you trying to educate me as to the impact former Gov. Palin has on the electability of right-wing pols?
Because I can't imagine many people would argue against that point.

You were attempting to chastize someone for having a strong interest in palin

And I responded with evidence that it makes sense to have a strong interest in palin

re: #142 MandyManners

Wasn't that dangerous?

Just her torso and hips. I would think it was a bit sweaty, but not apparently not dangerous.

re: #128 WindUpBird

I think my biggest surprise regarding music during Iraq War The Second, was when Green Day came out with American Idiot, just such a great record, and I never would have expected a strong protest record to come from Green Day

Their trashing of the MSM in that song was spectacular.

So the gears in my head were clicking along when it hit me.

So Obama has to be a Muslim, despite his declaration he is a Christian, because his father was a Muslim, his mom was an atheist and his step father was a non-practicing Muslim.

So by that logic, every born again Christian is still wallowing in sin, because no matter what they might proclaim, all that really matters is what they're family was and how and where they were brought up.

HAHA, You're fucked, you dirty dirty sinners.

re: #147 Jeff In Ohio

Just her torso and hips. I would think it was a bit sweaty, but not apparently not dangerous.

And, slippery.

re: #147 Jeff In Ohio

Because not apparently you can not have to many nots in a not sentence.

re: #127 garhighway
That would generate a set of ' link ' demands that I don't have time for. It's a pretty interesting read, doesn't take a long time to get through it, and wasn't written by right-wingers, just a couple of reporters.
The only real ick factor is the John Edwards stuff, but the rest is pretty good.

re: #147 Jeff In Ohio

Just her torso and hips. I would think it was a bit sweaty, but not apparently not dangerous.

I totally forgot about that!!

re: #141 Jeff In Ohio

Point taken. I should have qualified only with GG Allin as his rape conviction in Indiana was really just the tip of the ol' iceberg.

yeah, GG Allin was totally bonkers, I don't even think we can rate that guy using terrestrial measurements :D

re: #145 MandyManners
And they're still rollin'...(rollin').

re: #149 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So the gears in my head were clicking along when it hit me.

So Obama has to be a Muslim, despite his declaration he is a Christian, because his father was a Muslim, his mom was an atheist and his step father was a non-practicing Muslim.

So by that logic, every born again Christian is still wallowing in sin, because no matter what they might proclaim, all that really matters is what they're family was and how and where they were brought up.

HAHA, You're fucked, you dirty dirty sinners.

Under Sharia, aren't all children born to Muslim men considered Muslim untill they become something else?

re: #149 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

HAHA, You're fucked, you dirty dirty sinners.

That's the best part about being a dirty sinner, donchya know?

re: #151 Jeff In Ohio

Because not apparently you can not have to many nots in a not sentence.

No, you can not.

re: #156 MandyManners

Under Sharia, aren't all children born to Muslim men considered Muslim untill they become something else?

Headless?

re: #50 WindUpBird

Oh man, Alaska got some fun Republicans:

We have two republicans running for Governor (pre-primary) declare they will work to end health care for the poor in Wisconsin .

re: #155 tradewind

And they're still rollin'...(rollin').

RAW-HIDE!

re: #146 WindUpBird
No, WUB, missed it.
I was objecting to the mindless guess that I was a Big Beck Fan.

re: #160 Amory Blaine

We have two republicans running for Governor (pre-primary) declare they will work to end health care for the poor in Wisconsin .

guhhh

re: #139 Cannadian Club Akbar

No. Beck is still a Mormon.

Hmm, I thought I was somewhere he was Born Again. I guess I was wrong.

re: #159 Cannadian Club Akbar

Headless?

Aren't they considered apostates only if they proclaim they're Muslims and then turn their backs on it?

re: #159 Cannadian Club Akbar
/Ouch/

re: #156 MandyManners

Under Sharia, aren't all children born to Muslim men considered Muslim untill they become something else?

So you're saying Sharia has precedence in this matter?

The Kid's not doing his homework. Gotta' go beat him. bbiab

re: #161 MandyManners
I was kind of going for Tina, but the western works too.

re: #164 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hmm, I thought I was somewhere he was Born Again. I guess I was wrong.

He went from drunken coke head to LDS by his wife's urging. (demanding a change) He tried different things but stuck with LDS.

re: #149 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So the gears in my head were clicking along when it hit me.

So Obama has to be a Muslim, despite his declaration he is a Christian, because his father was a Muslim, his mom was an atheist and his step father was a non-practicing Muslim.

So by that logic, every born again Christian is still wallowing in sin, because no matter what they might proclaim, all that really matters is what they're family was and how and where they were brought up.

HAHA, You're fucked, you dirty dirty sinners.

I can't keep track of all these rules! :D

re: #167 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

So you're saying Sharia has precedence in this matter?

No that's not what I understood her to be saying at all.

Man oh man... in celebrating her role as the queen-bee of the new internet based media crushing the corrupt old media, Pamela Geller, if I am not mistaken, actually refers to the forged Bush Guard Documents as an example... Cognitive dissonance much?

re: #171 WindUpBird

I can't keep track of all these rules! :D

Rule 1: We never talk about Fight Club.
/

re: #133 MandyManners

Notice I didn't say "poor wife". She was an adult who allowed her kids to be abused.

right with you on that one.

re: #170 Cannadian Club Akbar

He went from drunken coke head to LDS by his wife's urging. (demanding a change) He tried different things but stuck with LDS.

She should have given him LSD.

re: #174 Cannadian Club Akbar

Rule 1: We never talk about Fight Club.
/

Rule 2..Doubletap

re: #137 WindUpBird
You'd be surprised. There are people who just won't let go.

re: #134 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He was mormon, until he became born again.

"Born again" isn't a denomination. And the ones who call themselves "nondenominational" are the craziest, because then they just make up whatever they want to believe, without bothering to study any historical branch of Christian theology.

re: #164 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hmm, I thought I was somewhere he was Born Again. I guess I was wrong.

He is pretty eclectic is what he is. "Spiritual", if you will. I saw him on the Stossel expose on him and he pretty much said he just chose a religion because that's what his wife demanded before she would let him sleep with her. He said with her sitting next to him. And she confirmed it.

re: #177 HoosierHoops

Rule 2..Doubletap

Man, you really beat that guy.

I wanted to destroy something beautiful.

re: #173 000G

Man oh man... in celebrating her role as the queen-bee of the new internet based media crushing the corrupt old media, Pamela Geller, if I am not mistaken, actually refers to the forged Bush Guard Documents as an example... Cognitive dissonance much?

Would it be off-color for me to suggest that Pamela Geller probably wouldn't get a raise from her boss if she asked for one?

Beck/Palin rally permit approved

The National Park Service said Thursday that it has approved the permit for the Aug. 28 Glenn Beck/Sarah Palin rally at the Lincoln Memorial.

Park Service spokesman Bill Line said the permit indicates that organizers expect 300,000 people to attend. Line said it is a "fixed rally" without a march. The rally will go from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m.

I'll be impressed if they get more than 10,000. My guess is maybe 4-6,000.

re: #182 darthstar

Would it be off-color for me to suggest that Pamela Geller probably wouldn't get a raise from her boss if she asked for one?

No. Off color would be to say she should at least give speeches topless. Wait,what?

re: #180 000G

I saw him on the Stossel expose on him and he pretty much said he just chose a religion because that's what his wife demanded before she would let him sleep with her.

Jesus for pussy? My, what a pious, faithful example of a true believer...

re: #179 elbruce
You really seem to know your comparative religions.

re: #173 000G

Would someone please take her "Word of the Day" calendar away from her?

re: #183 Killgore Trout

Beck/Palin rally permit approved

I'll be impressed if they get more than 10,000. My guess is maybe 4-6,000.

Check hotel availability in the area. Will give you an idea.

This dumbass was just in our local news:

[Link: www.sacbee.com...]

So it was with a double take of disbelief that two California game wardens sat down in February to watch the show, and witnessed Nugent allegedly violate several California hunting laws.

The Feb. 9 episode showed Nugent killing a young male deer with bow and arrow near the El Dorado County town of Somerset.

The wardens were alarmed because the footage appeared to show Nugent killing a "spike" buck, or one whose antlers have not yet grown long enough to fork. Killing such a young deer is illegal in California.

It also appeared to show the deer feeding on a powdery material spread on the ground before it was shot.

The Department of Fish and Game launched an investigation, spokesman Patrick Foy said, which later revealed this material to be a commercial deer bait. It is illegal in California to hunt with bait.

"We looked at it and we just shook our heads, saying 'I can't believe he actually aired this episode,' " Foy said. "We were all really disappointed to see this happen with a guy who is a representative of hunters."

Nugent was later charged with 11 misdemeanors related to events that unfolded on his own television show, Foy said.

What a tough guy hunter he is... deer bait... fucking pussy. Next week on "Nuge is a tool" we'll show you how to run down deer with dogs and shoot them from the comfort of your own pickup truck.

re: #183 Killgore Trout

Beck/Palin rally permit approved

I'll be impressed if they get more than 10,000. My guess is maybe 4-6,000.

Fox math time.

10,000 + 4,000 * 6,000/.001 = ELEVENTYBILLIONS!

re: #185 elbruce

Jesus for pussy? My, what a pious, faithful example of a true believer...

Hey, I am not judging him (or her) for that angle. I am just saying that he has a very... liberal way of making choices regarding his religious beliefs.

re: #183 Killgore Trout

That's nice. Last time I was on the Mall there were 1.5 million.

re: #188 Cannadian Club Akbar

Check hotel availability in the area. Will give you an idea.

No matter how many show up, they'll exaggerated it by 4 or 5 times that.

re: #177 HoosierHoops

Rule 2..Doubletap

Have to show em all now... great flick.

1. Cardio
2. The Double Tap
3. Beware of Bathrooms
4. Wear Seat Belts
5. No Attachments
6. The “Skillet”
7. Travel Light
8. Get a Kick Ass Partner
9. With your Bare Hands
10. Don’t Swing Low
11. Use Your Foot
12. Bounty Paper Towels
13. Shake it Off
14. Always carry a change of underwear
15. Bowling Ball
16. Opportunity Knocks
17. Don’t be a hero (later crossed out to be a hero)
18. Limber Up
19. Break it Up
20. It’s a marathon, not a sprint, unless it’s a sprint, then sprint
21. Avoid Strip Clubs
22. When in doubt Know your way out
23. Ziplock
24. Use your thumbs
25. Shoot First
26. A little sun screen never hurt anybody
27. Incoming!
28. Double-Knot your Shoes
29. The Buddy System
30. Pack your stain stick
31. Check the back seat
32. Enjoy the little things
33. Swiss army Knife

re: #191 000G

Hey, I am not judging him (or her) for that angle. I am just saying that he has a very... liberal way of making choices regarding his religious beliefs.

Well, he seems to be plenty comfortable judging the beliefs of others. For that, I judge him.

I'll have what he's smoking.

re: #188 Cannadian Club Akbar

Check hotel availability in the area. Will give you an idea.

Expedia showing lots of availability (discounted even!) in the DC area. Then again, most of Beck's supporters are being bused in from out of area small communities.

re: #190 darthstar

Fox math time.

10,000 + 4,000 * 6,000/.001 = ELEVENTYBILLIONS!

LOL
Beck has millions of viewers..I may have always called him a Clown..
But don't underestimate what he is preaching...He may draw a lot of people..
I figure the Tea party will show in force

re: #192 Jeff In Ohio

That's nice. Last time I was on the Mall there were 1.5 million.

Obama's inauguration?

The crazies are warming up

The Madera Islamic Center in central California has been vandalized several times over the last few days, and the Madera County Sheriff's Department is investigating the incidents as hate crimes, according to The Fresno Bee.

And this guy pretty much nails it:

"It's hate talk on the radio," said Dr. Mohammad Ashraf, a Madera cardiologist who is Muslim. "It's everywhere -- not only in Madera. [It's in] San Diego, Kentucky, Tennessee."

re: #197 darthstar

Expedia showing lots of availability (discounted even!) in the DC area. Then again, most of Beck's supporters are being bused in from out of area small communities.

That's right. Only small-town hicks. Big-city folks are too sophisticated.

re: #189 Locker

He baited deer? Scum of the earth.

re: #194 Locker

You are making me want a Twinkie. And not one of those damn snowballs!
Great movie

re: #194 Locker

Slight OT
I report-"recommended" your errant post in my Beck page, I think that will get it removed as you wish. I have done that too!

re: #197 darthstar

Expedia showing lots of availability (discounted even!) in the DC area. Then again, most of Beck's supporters are being bused in from out of area small communities.

Don't count the Holiday Inn Express...the folks who stay there don't actually do anything or go anywhere.

re: #199 darthstar

Obama's inauguration?

Yeppers.

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re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Beck: Reclaiming the Civil Rights movement

"This is a moment, quite honestly, that I think we reclaim the civil rights movement."

That just makes me sick to my stomach and even cry a little.
This whole game of Beck's to re-write history is dangerous and disturbing.

re: #201 MandyManners

That's right. Only small-town hicks. Big-city folks are too sophisticated.

Well, in DC they're probably a tad less likely to buy what Beck is selling, hahah

According to the 2007 American Community Survey conducted by the U.S. Census Bureau, the population distribution of Washington, D.C. is 55.6% Black or African American, 36.3% White

re: #195 elbruce

Well, he seems to be plenty comfortable judging the beliefs of others. For that, I judge him.

Fair enough.

re: #207 webevintage

It strikes me that Beck isn't the problem, it's the people not smart enough to realize that he's a total bullshit artist.

re: #201 MandyManners

That's right. Only small-town hicks. Big-city folks are too sophisticated.

No, it's not that urban people are more sophisticated, but they do enjoy a bit more cultural immersion, and as such are less likely to buy into the fear Beck sells. I know this from first hand experience, having grown up in a very rural area...but my experience is purely anecdotal.

re: #206 Jeff In Ohio

Yeppers.

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Cool stuff. I really wanted to go that day but I had just moved in to my apartment and would have to woke up insanely early. My cousins and uncle went though and said it was an incredible experience.

re: #207 webevintage

That just makes me sick to my stomach and even cry a little.
This whole game of Beck's to re-write history is dangerous and disturbing.

See also [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

re: #205 Spare O'Lake

Don't count the Holiday Inn Express...the folks who stay there don't actually do anything or go anywhere.

Hell no! The breakfast buffet goes until 10am...after that it's sit by the pool until it's time to order a pizza and watch HBO.

re: #206 Jeff In Ohio

Yeppers.

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Lucky bastard...I so wanted to go.

re: #74 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

basically, there's nothing he won't say if he thinks he can get away with it, that's how I feel about it

re: #207 webevintage

That just makes me sick to my stomach and even cry a little.
This whole game of Beck's to re-write history is dangerous and disturbing.

No pasaran!

re: #208 WindUpBird

Well, in DC they're probably a tad less likely to buy what Beck is selling, hahah

Shit the Va suburbs near DC are pretty liberal too. McCain's jerk of a brother referred to Alexandria as being in a Communist area. I'm sure there will be some locals at the rally on Saturday but I guarantee that most will be from out of state.

re: #210 PT Barnum

It strikes me that Beck isn't the problem, it's the people not smart enough to realize that he's a total bullshit artist.

Well considering your nic, I imagine you know this to be true.

Radical Islamists Try to Exploit Islamophobia

"The reaction is, at least on the part of extremists, fairly gleeful - that America is playing into our hands, that America is revealing its ugly face, and that even if it doesn't further radicalize people in the Middle East, there's no doubt that it will radicalize a kind of a key constituency that al-Qaida and other extremists are seeking to covet, seeking to court, which is the small number of homegrown extremists here in the United States," Kohlmann said.
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"That message, that broad jihadi message, doesn't seem to be resonating tremendously well with American Muslims. But what I worry about is that a guy like Anwar al-Awlaki has better insight into what will work here. And his message has been a little bit different over the last six to nine months," Fisherman explains. "It has included all of those general themes. But it also discusses this idea that the West is turning on you, America is coming to get you, you won't be safe there for long, you have to fight back now."
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Evan Kohlmann says each instance of hate-mongering plays into al-Alwaki's strategy of trying to radicalize moderate American Muslims. "When you see some of the rhetoric that is taking place, whether it is talking about burning a Koran or Islam being a devilish religion, this kind of rhetoric is extremely damaging," Kohlmann says, "and it does tend to push people like Nidal Hassan and Faisal Shahzad into doing things like what they've done, the Fort Hood massacre and the Times Square bombing. So the risk here is that the level of rhetoric has become so poisonous that we could end up turning the very moderates we seek to bring into the fold against us."

Counterterrorism analysts say there is grave potential for protests and attacks that may be even more violent than those that erupted after a Danish newspaper published cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad. Depictions of Mohammad are forbidden in Islam. As Evan Kohlmann put it, if cartoons can provoke that kind of violence, what would a burn the Koran day ignite?

re: #212 HappyWarrior

Cool stuff. I really wanted to go that day but I had just moved in to my apartment and would have to woke up insanely early. My cousins and uncle went though and said it was an incredible experience.

I took my eldest daughter (she was 11). We rode the Amtrak from Cincinnati (that hurt), stayed at my brother in-laws (he works in Treasury). Besides having worked on the campaign for 4 months in Ohio, I really wanted my daughter to one day say "I was there" and have a sense of what it is to live in history as oppose to read it in a book.

re: #211 darthstar

No, it's not that urban people are more sophisticated, but they do enjoy a bit more cultural immersion, and as such are less likely to buy into the fear Beck sells. I know this from first hand experience, having grown up in a very rural area...but my experience is purely anecdotal.

It's sort of hard to isolate yourself from black people and carry signs equating Obama with hitler if you live in a black neighborhood in DC

The whole actually knowing minorities and living around them thing, I'd suspect that would color ones' opinion on confederate flags

re: #219 Slumbering Behemoth

Well considering your nic, I imagine you know this to be true.

The trick is sincerity. Once you know how to fake that, the rest is easy.

re: #218 HappyWarrior

Shit the Va suburbs near DC are pretty liberal too. McCain's jerk of a brother referred to Alexandria as being in a Communist area. I'm sure there will be some locals at the rally on Saturday but I guarantee that most will be from out of state.

Oh I forgot about McCain's brother! Ahhh campaign flashback, what a rube that guy was

re: #221 Jeff In Ohio

I took my eldest daughter (she was 11). We rode the Amtrak from Cincinnati (that hurt), stayed at my brother in-laws (he works in Treasury). Besides having worked on the campaign for 4 months in Ohio, I really wanted my daughter to one day say "I was there" and have a sense of what it is to live in history as oppose to read it in a book.

that's pretty awesome :D

re: #183 Killgore Trout

Beck/Palin rally permit approved

I'll be impressed if they get more than 10,000. My guess is maybe 4-6,000.

Why so few, is there a clearance sale on white sheets at Walmart?

re: #211 darthstar

No, it's not that urban people are more sophisticated, but they do enjoy a bit more cultural immersion, and as such are less likely to buy into the fear Beck sells. I know this from first hand experience, having grown up in a very rural area...but my experience is purely anecdotal.

Folks in rural areas know how to drive to cities to become as immersed in culture as they want. Just living in the city does not a sophisticate make.

re: #200 WindUpBird

Great. I don't live too far from there. :sigh:

Well, at least the mosque a few miles from me hasn't been vandalized.

re: #220 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Radical Islamists Try to Exploit Islamophobia

I fucking knew it.

re: #224 WindUpBird

Oh I forgot about McCain's brother! Ahhh campaign flashback, what a rube that guy was

You unfortunately have a lot of conservatives who act like Northern Va is Commie country simply because we're not firebreathing conservatives by and large. McCain had a surrogate talk about how the more rural part of Va was the "Real Virginia." And of course Palin talking about how glad she was to be in Real Virginia. Shit offends me so much since I know that they're race baiting when they say that since Northern Va is very culturally diverse. And I'll never forget George Allen acting like a dipshit to that college student who unlike Allen was Va born and raised.

re: #227 MandyManners

Folks in rural areas know how to drive to cities to become as immersed in culture as they want. Just living in the city does not a sophisticate make.

I know people in Vancouver and Hillsboro who have never been to Portland, so I think the problem is folks in rural areas often do not WANT to become immersed in culture.

People who live in sparsely populated areas who don't ever really have to come in contact with black people, and don't want to live near black people, those people will generally have a different view of black people (especially black presidents) than people who live and work in a big city with lots and lots of black people

re: #215 darthstar

It was brutally cold. This is people leaving down 18th St. Elbow to elbow, crotch to ass for a prolly more then a mile. The Metro police parked buses on side streets to keep people from leaving any other way, from the first bus to the next one in the picture is 1 city block.

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re: #227 MandyManners

Folks in rural areas know how to drive to cities to become as immersed in culture as they want. Just living in the city does not a sophisticate make.

Like this?
(Just kidding)

re: #228 Slumbering Behemoth

Great. I don't live too far from there. :sigh:

Well, at least the mosque a few miles from me hasn't been vandalized.

I guess this Fresno local talk jock Ray Appleton is part of the fun there: [Link: www.media-alliance.org...]

DJ Ray Appleton suggesting that Secretary of the Interior, Ken Salazar, should be given a reception with a .45 handgun the next time he visits Fresno.

Pretty awesome that public airwaves are being used for this, but the FCC doesn't want someone saying "shit".

re: #231 WindUpBird

I know people in Vancouver and Hillsboro who have never been to Portland, so I think the problem is folks in rural areas often do not WANT to become immersed in culture.

People who live in sparsely populated areas who don't ever really have to come in contact with black people, and don't want to live near black people, those people will generally have a different view of black people (especially black presidents) than people who live and work in a big city with lots and lots of black people

Hahahaha. Why would anyone in Vancouver want to go to Portland for culture?

re: #234 WindUpBird

I guess this Fresno local talk jock Ray Appleton is part of the fun there: [Link: www.media-alliance.org...]

Pretty awesome that public airwaves are being used for this, but the FCC doesn't want someone saying "shit".

Didn't Helms make some crack about how Clinton would need a bodyguard if he were ever in NC? And yeah you gotta love the standards. These political talk show hosts use all sorts of fucked up rhetoric but if there's sexy talk and cursing. Oh noes protect the children!

re: #235 Spare O'Lake

Hahahaha. Why would anyone in Vancouver want to go to Portland for culture?

Not everyone thinks back bacon and maple syrup constitute culture. The Dental Hockey Hall of Fame doesn't count either.

re: #231 WindUpBird

I know people in Vancouver and Hillsboro who have never been to Portland, so I think the problem is folks in rural areas often do not WANT to become immersed in culture.

People who live in sparsely populated areas who don't ever really have to come in contact with black people, and don't want to live near black people, those people will generally have a different view of black people (especially black presidents) than people who live and work in a big city with lots and lots of black people

Interesting story..I have just an admiration of how the Black people have constantly showed courage, faith, Vision and togetherness in the struggle here in America.. That have shown in their History to have the true spirit of American values..The struggle continues..And God Bless them.

Never judge a person by the color of their skin and we are all good.. It's that effen simple...

re: #235 Spare O'Lake

Hahahaha. Why would anyone in Vancouver want to go to Portland for culture?

Vancouver, Washington, USA, as the sign says when you drive there, in case you might think you accidentally went an extra 300 miles. It's right across the Columbia River from Portland.

re: #235 Spare O'Lake

Hahahaha. Why would anyone in Vancouver want to go to Portland for culture?

Vancouver, Washington, not Vancouver BC

re: #239 wrenchwench

Vancouver, Washington, USA, as the sign says when you drive there, in case you might think you accidentally went an extra 300 miles. It's right across the Columbia River from Portland.

HAHAHAH, like someone is going to drive from Vancouver, Wa. to Porltand, Me for culture.

re: #235 Spare O'Lake

Hahahaha. Why would anyone in Vancouver want to go to Portland for culture?

FWIW, Vancouver, BC is one of my favorite things, the city outside the US I've visited the most, saw Pink Floyd there in high school, seen multiple other shows there

re: #234 WindUpBird

I am with them on their stance regarding the dangers of hate speech, but this...

Kimber claims the community KMJ serves is very diverse and not overwhelmingly conservative. He urges other concerned community members to sign their petition to KMJ asking that their programming reflect the diversity of the area it serves.

... is just silly. There is no legal obligation for that radio station to impose a kind of "Fairness Doctrine" on itself. They can be all conservative, all the time, and there is nothing wrong nor illegal with that. What they should do, however, is curb the incitement from some DJs.

re: #243 Slumbering Behemoth

I am with them on their stance regarding the dangers of hate speech, but this...

... is just silly. There is no legal obligation for that radio station to impose a kind of "Fairness Doctrine" on itself. They can be all conservative, all the time, and there is nothing wrong nor illegal with that. What they should do, however, is curb the incitement from some DJs.

I don't want the fairness doctrine stuff, I just yeah, want less crazy guys hurling violent rhetoric

it occurs to me that there's at least one thing Vancouver BC residents would have to drive to Portland for, culture-wise, and that's our beer

The BC microbrew scene, not so much

The BC asian food scene, THAT is the stuff right there

re: #104 WindUpBird

Sure

But the notion that artists shouldn't have political views (or that their political views can't inform their music) it's just not supported by the culture of America at all, it's a completely outside the mainstream, some of the greatest songs in American history are distinctly political

Woodie Guthrie

Sorry, can't help it. Still like the 'Nuge.

I can't help but remember a commercial featuring him a few years back during an election, in which he basically said (paraphrased):

"Hey, I'm just an old rock star. Why would anyone in their right mind listen to me or any other celebrity about how to vote? Read up on the issues, and make up your own mind."

re: #240 WindUpBird

Vancouver, Washington, not Vancouver BC

Give it back!!!