I missed this segment of Rachel Maddow’s show a couple of days ago, but it’s worth watching because she digs (a little more than most mainstream news shows) into the people and organizations driving the recent outbreak of anti-Muslim hysteria.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:43:26pm |
This vid doesn't seem to be opening either. What are you using to play it, Charles?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:47:00pm |
I blame the current direction of the GOP for my new found appreciation of certain liberal pundits, like Maddow.
Ya hear that, GOP. You have succeeded in doing what your opposition could not. Specifically, convince me that there really are prominent liberals out there who are reasonable, sane, and worth listening to. Hope you're happy.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:49:58pm |
re: #5 jaunte
Odd. It's been working for me. New update or something?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:51:28pm |
re: #1 Dark_Falcon
This vid doesn't seem to be opening either. What are you using to play it, Charles?
It's Bush's fault.
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jaunte Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:51:42pm |
re: #6 Slumbering Behemoth
I think the problem is my local internet provider.
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:52:00pm |
I can get it to play at the MSNBC site, just not the embed
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:52:03pm |
re: #9 jaunte
I think the problem is my local internet provider.
Bush has gone into the Internet business?
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What, me worry? Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:53:22pm |
A tribute to Karen Hughes and Imam Rauf
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Kragar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:53:25pm |
Can we make it illegal to be a biggoted dumbass in America?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:53:31pm |
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What, me worry? Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:54:18pm |
re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Can we make it illegal to be a biggoted dumbass in America?
Naw, we just have to keep shouting em down.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:54:32pm |
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CuriousLurker Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:56:52pm |
Plays fine for me: Win7 64-bit/Firefox 3.6.8
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jaunte Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:57:38pm |
The Onion video plays fine for me. Some audience-understanding-capability algorithm must be at work.
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lastlaugh Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:57:47pm |
As a disheartened Obama voter, I should be prime pickings for the GOP. This whole ground zero thing + the trio of Rand Paul, LumberJack Miller, and Angle make it very, very difficult to pull the lever next to an R.
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Kragar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:58:36pm |
re: #15 marjoriemoon
Naw, we just have to keep shouting em down.
I'll keep this handy for the time being then;
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goddamnedfrank Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:00:25pm |
People, empty thy cache, that's what got the video working for me.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:02:34pm |
re: #23 Jimmah
Jimmah's here!
*waves*
to your bride too!
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:02:56pm |
re: #22 goddamnedfrank
People, empty thy cache, that's what got the video working for me.
My hospital bills are doing that to me right now.
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b_sharp Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:05:04pm |
re: #3 Slumbering Behemoth
I blame the current direction of the GOP for my new found appreciation of certain liberal pundits, like Maddow.
Ya hear that, GOP. You have succeeded in doing what your opposition could not. Specifically, convince me that there really are prominent liberals out there who are reasonable, sane, and worth listening to. Hope you're happy.
Should you be saying that out loud?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:05:50pm |
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:08:10pm |
re: #20 lastlaugh
I am beginning to get the distinct impression that my party 'leaders' simply refuse to pass up an opportunity to step on their own dicks.
re: #26 b_sharp
Should you be saying that out loud?
Why not? I am sure there are plenty of people out there who would call me a RINO, and as long as the GOP continues in this direction, those folks would be correct in calling me such.
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:10:47pm |
re: #20 lastlaugh
As a disheartened Obama voter, I should be prime pickings for the GOP. This whole ground zero thing + the trio of Rand Paul, LumberJack Miller, and Angle make it very, very difficult to pull the lever next to an R.
Any disenchantment of Obama not doing enough is a piece of rice compared to the whole bowl of crazy the alternative brings.
hmmm, what a question really. I just don't see it.
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What, me worry? Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:10:50pm |
re: #28 Slumbering Behemoth
I am beginning to get the distinct impression that my party 'leaders' simply refuse to pass up an opportunity to step on their own dicks.
re: #26 b_sharp
Why not? I am sure there are plenty of people out there who would call me a RINO, and as long as the GOP continues in this direction, those folks would be correct in calling me such.
Probably half of my party members don't have dicks.
It's funny tho how many RINOs there seem to be while I think we only have one DINO and he's and Indy now.
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Jimmah Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:12:38pm |
The desire to outlaw Islam expressed by groups like SANE - to make it an offence to be a muslim - represents an attempt to actually overtake Saudi Arabia in terms of religious intolerance.
The implicit denial that muslims were also victims of the 9/11 attacks on the part of the anti-mosque hysterics is also interesting, when one reflects on the explicit denial of Jewish victims of the attacks by Islamic extremists at the time.
It seems to me that right wing extremists fancy the cut of the Islamic extremists jib.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:12:55pm |
re: #30 marjoriemoon
Probably half of my party members don't have dicks.
It's funny tho how many RINOs there seem to be while I think we only have one DINO and he's and Indy now.
Well, I think the Blue Dogs are sort of DINOs, except they stay in the party, and no one tries to eject them, or would be able to. The Democratic inability to color inside the lines, or indeed, agree on where the hell the lines are, makes us slightly less prone to these fits of purging and purity.
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What, me worry? Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:15:36pm |
re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, I think the Blue Dogs are sort of DINOs, except they stay in the party, and no one tries to eject them, or would be able to. The Democratic inability to color inside the lines, or indeed, agree on where the hell the lines are, makes us slightly less prone to these fits of purging and purity.
Maybe that's why I like it so much.
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b_sharp Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:15:47pm |
re: #28 Slumbering Behemoth
I am beginning to get the distinct impression that my party 'leaders' simply refuse to pass up an opportunity to step on their own dicks.
re: #26 b_sharp
Why not? I am sure there are plenty of people out there who would call me a RINO, and as long as the GOP continues in this direction, those folks would be correct in calling me such.
I am more concerned with you letting lefties know that some of us are worth listening to - the standard door width is only about 36".
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Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:15:50pm |
You know what?
There was a time in England when all Catholics were held responsible for the Gunpowder Plot.
In fact, there was a time when all professing Catholics were forbidden to come within ten English miles of the City of London.
One of those Catholics affected by this statute was the great, immortally great English Catholic poet, Alexander Pope, whom Charles recently quoted here on this little blog.
I think Pamz and Bobby would not be averse to seeing the same thing applied to Muslims in this day and age.
Too bad for both of them that we have a written constitution.
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:15:54pm |
re: #3 Slumbering Behemoth
I blame the current direction of the GOP for my new found appreciation of certain liberal pundits, like Maddow.
Ya hear that, GOP. You have succeeded in doing what your opposition could not. Specifically, convince me that there really are prominent liberals out there who are reasonable, sane, and worth listening to. Hope you're happy.
It could go both ways. I keep saying...the sane smart GOP pol who stands up in the face of this will win.
Problem is, they are afraid. Same as the Dems, afraid. ugh
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lastlaugh Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:15:58pm |
re: #31 Jimmah
It seems to me that right wing extremists fancy the cut of the Islamic extremists jib.
NO SHARIA LAW.
Use a Western Religion to oppress people instead!
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prairiefire Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:19:16pm |
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Kragar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:19:47pm |
re: #31 Jimmah
It seems to me that right wing extremists fancy the cut of the Islamic extremists jib.
There is probably a certain amount of envy on the side of the RW in that relationship.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:20:12pm |
re: #35 b_sharp
I am more concerned with you letting lefties know that some of us are worth listening to - the standard door width is only about 36".
Not to worry. Since I'm just an evil republican, I doubt they would pay any attention to my words.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:20:29pm |
re: #31 Jimmah
The desire to outlaw Islam expressed by groups like SANE - to make it an offence to be a muslim - represents an attempt to actually overtake Saudi Arabia in terms of religious intolerance.
The implicit denial that muslims were also victims of the 9/11 attacks on the part of the anti-mosque hysterics is also interesting, when one reflects on the explicit denial of Jewish victims of the attacks by Islamic extremists at the time.
It seems to me that right wing extremists fancy the cut of the Islamic extremists jib.
All Totalitarians share a general similarity. Their target lists can vary (Capitalists, Jews, Christians, Muslims, etc) but that they have murder lists never varies.
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prairiefire Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:20:34pm |
re: #30 marjoriemoon
Probably half of my party members don't have dicks.
It's funny tho how many RINOs there seem to be while I think we only have one DINO and he's and Indy now.
Your right, we have vajay-jays.
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:21:27pm |
re: #31 Jimmah
The desire to outlaw Islam expressed by groups like SANE - to make it an offence to be a muslim - represents an attempt to actually overtake Saudi Arabia in terms of religious intolerance.
The implicit denial that muslims were also victims of the 9/11 attacks on the part of the anti-mosque hysterics is also interesting, when one reflects on the explicit denial of Jewish victims of the attacks by Islamic extremists at the time.
It seems to me that right wing extremists fancy the cut of the Islamic extremists jib.
For emphasis.
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blueraven Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:23:16pm |
OT. Carter secures release of American prisoner in N Korea.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:24:51pm |
re: #45 blueraven
OT. Carter secures release of American prisoner in N Korea.
I wonder what he promised we'd roll over on in return?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:24:56pm |
re: #45 blueraven
OT. Carter secures release of American prisoner in N Korea.
Carter should stay there a while and help them build a few houses.
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Jimmah Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:25:29pm |
re: #40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
There is probably a certain amount of envy on the side of the RW in that relationship.
Its been around for a while, and it seems to be increasing. Remember that odious 'teacher' from Jesus Camp ranting about how she wanter her 'students' to emulate the children of Islamic extremists who were 'willing to lay down their lives for their religion'?
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:25:49pm |
re: #45 blueraven
OT. Carter secures release of American prisoner in N Korea.
The teacher guy? I heard the story on NPR. Pretty messed up guy, at least from the story. That he walked there etc.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:26:23pm |
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Kragar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:27:06pm |
re: #48 Jimmah
Its been around for a while, and it seems to be increasing. Remember that odious 'teacher' from Jesus Camp ranting about how she wanter her 'students' to emulate the children of Islamic extremists who were 'willing to lay down their lives for their religion'?
[Video]
preaching Christian Martyrdom is becoming a more acceptable topic amongst evangelicals.
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:27:12pm |
re: #49 Stanley Sea
The teacher guy? I heard the story on NPR. Pretty messed up guy, at least from the story. That he walked there etc.
Yep. it's Gomes.
Good going President Carter.
Yeah.
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Gus Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:27:31pm |
By the way. Suhail Khan is a Republican.
Suhail A. Khan is the Senior Fellow for Muslim-Christian Understanding at the Institute for Global Engagement.[1] Khan was previously a senior political appointee with the Bush administration, and a conservative political activist in Washington, D.C
Professional work in Washington, D.C.
Khan served as Policy Director and Press Secretary for U.S. Congressman Tom Campbell (R-CA), working closely on legislation relating to health antitrust reform, religious freedom, the preservation of the Second Amendment, tort reform, gun control, the reform of race-based affirmative action, and the 1998 impeachment proceedings in the House of Representatives. After the 2000 elections, he aided the White House Office of Public Liaison in the President’s outreach to the conservative, think-tank, military and veteran and Asian-American communities.
He served as Assistant to the Secretary for Policy under U.S. Secretary Mary Peters at the U.S. Department of Transportation, where he was awarded the Secretary’s Team Award in 2005 and the Gold Medal for Outstanding Achievement in 2007.
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prairiefire Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:28:09pm |
re: #52 Stanley Sea
Yep. it's Gomes.
Good going President Carter.
Yeah.
Democrats getting things done.
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Jimmah Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:28:10pm |
re: #51 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
preaching Christian Martyrdom is becoming a more acceptable topic amongst evangelicals.
Yep. Have they started quoting Jesus in support of flying planes into buildings yet?
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Bourdain's Breakfast Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:28:30pm |
Just tried to add a spinoff link: Bill Whittle now advocating armed rebellion but the link is inappropriate. Talk about the deep end over there. The're off it.
"What country before ever existed a century and half without a rebellion? And what country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
Dangerous times call for cool heads, not calls to arms. This Cab Stab is just the tip of that iceberg.
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lastlaugh Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:28:39pm |
Let me follow SANE's logic:
Slavery was a good thing and one reason the country has worked out so well (never-mind it nearly destroyed our republic), but Freedom of Religion (which has been instrumental in attracting the best and the brightest from around the world), now that certainly was a mistake.
Welcome to the twisting, turning logical flow of a ugly, hate-filled mind.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:29:32pm |
re: #46 Dark_Falcon
I wonder what he promised we'd roll over on in return?
Since he has absolutely no power, I guess he can promise anything.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:30:05pm |
re: #53 Gus 802
Just as I suspected. G.W. Bush is a sekrit moslem too.
/
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:31:33pm |
re: #56 Bourdain's Breakfast
Just tried to add a spinoff link: Bill Whittle now advocating armed rebellion but the link is inappropriate. Talk about the deep end over there. The're off it.
Dangerous times call for cool heads, not calls to arms. This Cab Stab is just the tip of that iceberg.
All I can say is, Obama blew their minds. Poof.
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blueraven Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:32:24pm |
re: #46 Dark_Falcon
I wonder what he promised we'd roll over on in return?
While your guy Newt is busy comparing Islam to Nazis, President Carter is actually doing something to help other people.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:35:05pm |
re: #60 Gus 802
Hey buddy, don't you go around making fun of taquerias, or I'll have your ass.
/wait, what?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:35:59pm |
re: #62 blueraven
While your guy Newt is busy comparing Islam to Nazis, President Carter is actually doing something to help other people.
He'll probably stop on Gaza on the way home and try to help his Hamas friends.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:36:31pm |
re: #55 Jimmah
Your bride has a funny email from me!
*smooch*
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Kragar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:37:51pm |
re: #55 Jimmah
They've supported Timothy McVeigh bombing the OKC building and the assassination of doctors.
Martydom used to mean being willing to die your your beliefs. Now its just that you accept death as a consequence for your crimes. There is a difference.
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Jimmah Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:38:51pm |
re: #61 Stanley Sea
All I can say is, Obama blew their minds. Poof.
Yep. We've been picking little itty pieces of skull from the backseat of the right wing mindset ever since.
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Gus Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:39:51pm |
Well, if we could put aside our feelings about Mr. Carter we should at least applaud him in his efforts to have Aijalon Mahli Gomes released. No one seemed to care about the poor man.
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garhighway Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:40:41pm |
re: #68 Gus 802
Well, if we could put aside our feelings about Mr. Carter we should at least applaud him in his efforts to have Aijalon Mahli Gomes released. No one seemed to care about the poor man.
Carter Derangement Syndrome
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:43:26pm |
re: #68 Gus 802
Well, if we could put aside our feelings about Mr. Carter we should at least applaud him in his efforts to have Aijalon Mahli Gomes released. No one seemed to care about the poor man.
He did a great job.
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Gus Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:45:03pm |
re: #70 NJDhockeyfan
He did a great job.
Cool. I remember when Jesse Jackson managed to have some hostages released not so long ago. People put aside their differences (not here) and acknowledged that he did a lot of good for not only the hostages but our country.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:45:18pm |
re: #69 garhighway
Carter Derangement Syndrome
Carter is a giant tool, but...
re: #68 Gus 802
Well, if we could put aside our feelings about Mr. Carter we should at least applaud him in his efforts to have Aijalon Mahli Gomes released. No one seemed to care about the poor man.
... Gus is absolutely right here.
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blueraven Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:45:19pm |
re: #68 Gus 802
Well, if we could put aside our feelings about Mr. Carter we should at least applaud him in his efforts to have Aijalon Mahli Gomes released. No one seemed to care about the poor man.
I think some would rather see Mr Gomes stay in prison first before they would have a kind word for Carter. But at least they should have the decency not to attack.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:47:23pm |
re: #73 blueraven
I think some would rather see Mr Gomes stay in prison first before they would have a kind word for Carter. But at least they should have the decency not to attack.
Not I. Regardless of my low opinion of him, you better damn well believe I'd kiss his ass and send him Christmas cards if he managed to help me out of a similar situation.
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Jimmah Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:48:21pm |
Goodnight folks, from all at Jimmah Acres:) Major chore for the day was attaching glow in the dark planet and star stickers (from NY Museum of Natural History) to the ceiling in our bedroom. (There is a crescent moon and star in there somewhere to remind us to periodiocally remind Spare to check under his bed for muslims)
Stars:
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:48:52pm |
re: #73 blueraven
I think some would rather see Mr Gomes stay in prison first before they would have a kind word for Carter. But at least they should have the decency not to attack.
No, I just don't trust Carter.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:49:06pm |
re: #75 Jimmah
Best regards. I keep missing you two.
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blueraven Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:50:04pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:51:23pm |
re: #77 LudwigVanQuixote
Hah! Caught all three of you!
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:52:39pm |
re: #75 Jimmah
Goodnight folks, from all at Jimmah Acres:) Major chore for the day was attaching glow in the dark planet and star stickers (from NY Museum of Natural History) to the ceiling in our bedroom. (There is a crescent moon and star in there somewhere to remind us to periodiocally remind Spare to check under his bed for muslims)
Stars:
[Video]
Love you guys. Really. huge lol
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:53:37pm |
re: #81 LudwigVanQuixote
For just a brief moment in time, at any rate!
LOL!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:53:44pm |
re: #79 Floral Giraffe
Hah! Caught all three of you!
It depends if the dynamic duo is still about...
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:54:04pm |
re: #78 blueraven
What do you think he did over there DF?
I don't know. But I know his history and I don't like having "blame America first" types negotiating overseas.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:55:27pm |
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:56:04pm |
re: #84 Dark_Falcon
I don't know. But I know his history and I don't like having "blame America first" types negotiating overseas.
DF, rigidity in any situation never works.
Carter may know this best.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:57:40pm |
re: #3 Slumbering Behemoth
I blame the current direction of the GOP for my new found appreciation of certain liberal pundits, like Maddow.
Ya hear that, GOP. You have succeeded in doing what your opposition could not. Specifically, convince me that there really are prominent liberals out there who are reasonable, sane, and worth listening to. Hope you're happy.
As far as cable news goes, Maddow stands alone. she's spoiled me for all other cable news, regardless of ideological bent
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:58:22pm |
re: #84 Dark_Falcon
I don't know. But I know his history and I don't like having "blame America first" types negotiating overseas.
So is it best that that guy stay in jail so we can avoid the taint of Carter?
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:00:07pm |
This week, the first sign of a breakthrough since Gomes' imprisonment came with word that North Korea had agreed to release Gomes to Carter if the former president visited the capital city of Pyongyang. Carter arrived Wednesday.
North Korean dictator Kim Jong Il granted amnesty for Gomes at Carter's request, said Deanna Congileo, a spokeswoman for the former president. Carter will return to the U.S. with Gomes, who is expected to be in Boston by Friday afternoon, Congileo said.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:00:42pm |
re: #88 WindUpBird
Shit, I'd volunteer to go to jail just to avoid Carter's taint.
/wait. what are we talking about?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:02:04pm |
re: #90 Slumbering Behemoth
Shit, I'd volunteer to go to jail just to avoid Carter's taint.
/wait. what are we talking about?
MY EYES
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:03:05pm |
re: #89 Stanley Sea
This week, the first sign of a breakthrough since Gomes' imprisonment came with word that North Korea had agreed to release Gomes to Carter if the former president visited the capital city of Pyongyang. Carter arrived Wednesday.
North Korean dictator Kim Jong Il granted amnesty for Gomes at Carter's request, said Deanna Congileo, a spokeswoman for the former president. Carter will return to the U.S. with Gomes, who is expected to be in Boston by Friday afternoon, Congileo said.
Wasn't Kim Jong Il in China when Carter was in NK?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:04:53pm |
re: #91 WindUpBird
It gets worse; I have a very proud, Roman nose.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:04:55pm |
re: #86 Stanley Sea
DF, rigidity in any situation never works.
Carter may know this best.
I just can't bring myself to trust him. He's failed or been dishonest too many times.
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jaunte Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:05:19pm |
re: #89 Stanley Sea
This week, the first sign of a breakthrough since Gomes' imprisonment came with word that North Korea had agreed to release Gomes to Carter if the former president visited the capital city of Pyongyang. Carter arrived Wednesday.
North Korean dictator Kim Jong Il granted amnesty for Gomes at Carter's request, said Deanna Congileo, a spokeswoman for the former president. Carter will return to the U.S. with Gomes, who is expected to be in Boston by Friday afternoon, Congileo said.
The other agenda:
The state-controlled North Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) said that the North's Deputy Prime Minister Kim Yong-nam had informed Mr Carter of his countryu's willingness to return to international negotiations, known as the six-party talks."(Kim Yong-nam) expressed the Republic's commitment to denuclearise the Korean peninsula and resume the six-way talks," KCNA said.
[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:09:33pm |
re: #84 Dark_Falcon
I don't know. But I know his history and I don't like having "blame America first" types negotiating overseas.
Usually, people who use the phrase "blame America first" are adherents to the doctrine of "never admit America has caused and/or contributed significantly to a problem or two".
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:09:50pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:11:04pm |
re: #96 negativ
Usually, people who use the phrase "blame America first" are adherents to the doctrine of "never admit America has caused and/or contributed significantly to a problem or two".
Way back in the 1980s, Jeane KirkPatrick first used the term to describe San Francisco
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:13:21pm |
re: #92 NJDhockeyfan
Wasn't Kim Jong Il in China when Carter was in NK?
That would be a good thing. hmm
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:15:00pm |
re: #98 WindUpBird
Way back in the 1980s, Jeane KirkPatrick first used the term to describe San Francisco
ooh, I recall her. A peach.
not
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:16:58pm |
re: #98 WindUpBird
Way back in the 1980s, Jeane KirkPatrick first used the term to describe San Francisco
And she was right to do so. It had become an anti-American city in many ways and remains so today.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:17:46pm |
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tnguitarist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:18:17pm |
re: #101 Dark_Falcon
And she was right to do so. It had become an anti-American city in many ways and remains so today.
How so?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:19:43pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:20:12pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:22:16pm |
re: #103 tnguitarist
How so?
In other countries, when major metropolitan populations revolt against the national government, there are bombs and assassinations and murder and savagery of all kinds. In the USA, when San Francisco revolts against the national government, some way-past-their-prime hippies march around naked carrying some often stupid, occasionally clever agitprop signage. Then everyone goes home.
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sagehen Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:23:03pm |
re: #106 negativ
In other countries, when major metropolitan populations revolt against the national government, there are bombs and assassinations and murder and savagery of all kinds. In the USA, when San Francisco revolts against the national government, some way-past-their-prime hippies march around naked carrying some often stupid, occasionally clever agitprop signage. Then everyone goes home.
Sometimes even to their own homes.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:23:36pm |
re: #103 tnguitarist
How so?
They turned against the military, and had derided them as "baby-killers". They'd gone from anti-war to anti-soldier, and could not see Ronald Reagan's defense build-up as motivated by anything other than militarism. There's a reason the military all but left the Bay Area after the Cold War ended: They didn't want to stay where they were not wanted.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:41:29pm |
re: #101 Dark_Falcon
And she was right to do so. It had become an anti-American city in many ways and remains so today.
hahahaha you are so full of it dude
Unless by American you mean jingoist, it's true, they're not jingoist, they don't treat America like their football team, root root for our helmeted men to run to the endzone. They (like Portland) treat America like their home.
They definitely innovate and create more things in the digital realm that make your life better than any other town in the country, which is distinctly American. it's ground zero for innovation.
Without the bay area, there'd pretty much be no American computer industry.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:46:43pm |
Just so happens that where there are more smart, creative people, more critical thought, more scholarship, more education, less tolerance of military culture superseding civilan culture (which, you know, is the way it works, we have a civilian military commander) and less jingoism and less mindless rooting, that that's "unAmerican".
So what does that leave us? Less innovation, less creativity, less brain trust and more rooting, that's what America's all about? Cheerleading?
Sometimes I wonder DF, if you wouldn't be happier with the military running the federal government instead of civilians
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:49:54pm |
re: #108 Dark_Falcon
They turned against the military, and had derided them as "baby-killers". They'd gone from anti-war to anti-soldier, and could not see Ronald Reagan's defense build-up as motivated by anything other than militarism. There's a reason the military all but left the Bay Area after the Cold War ended: They didn't want to stay where they were not wanted.
How do you see the city of San Francisco doing any of this?
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boredtechindenver Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:51:39pm |
re: #90 Slumbering Behemoth
Shit, I'd volunteer to go to jail just to avoid Carter's taint.
Man, its always about the buttsecks, isn't it.
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elbruce Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:54:03pm |
re: #101 Dark_Falcon
It had become an anti-American city in many ways and remains so today.
If it's in the contiguous borders of the United States, then it's an American city. To call it "anti-American" is quite literally, anti-American.
I'm sick and tired of watching people try to carve chunks off of the United States, they're trying to butcher it down to find "real America" out of whatever little bloody chunk is left over when they're done alienating everyone in the actual country.
You don't like them, they don't like you. Fine. That's America.
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:55:31pm |
re: #110 WindUpBird
Just so happens that where there are more smart, creative people, more critical thought, more scholarship, more education, less tolerance of military culture superseding civilan culture (which, you know, is the way it works, we have a civilian military commander) and less jingoism and less mindless rooting, that that's "unAmerican".
I edited a little to make my point (just cut off your last para)
The end jist is we'll end up with those poor poor folks that Walter, Mandy, et al are sooo worried about. The South, and the "rednecks" (that's their sobstory word) in control. Texas School books for everyone!!
That's where we'd be. And where we're fucking heading if these folks revert us.
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boredtechindenver Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:57:14pm |
re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist
How do you see the city of San Francisco doing any of this?
It is them damn hippies and them homersexuals running rampant in the streets. Why they even proudly have mass gatherings like "Folsom Street Fair". That is why it is an unAmerican and unGodly city.
ps, can someone send me a link to a place where i can get me one of them St. Georgies crosses?
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sagehen Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:57:39pm |
re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist
How do you see the city of San Francisco doing any of this?
The pride parade marched right into the Presidio, told everyone they'd found a Wiccan ritual to make Teh Gay contagious, and scared the military into leaving.
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b_sharp Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:58:01pm |
Apparently, recognizing that your country, in doing what the leaders of the time believe to be in the country's best interests, sometimes does things most people would consider immoral if done by an individual, and wanting to correct that error, makes you an enemy of the state.
What is it with the mentality that only when support is blind is it truly support?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:59:27pm |
re: #116 sagehen
The pride parade marched right into the Presidio, told everyone they'd found a Wiccan ritual to make Teh Gay contagious, and scared the military into leaving.
I guess, having worked retail down on the piers during Fleet Week, I have a somewhat different idea of how San Francisco sees the military.
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b_sharp Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:00:52pm |
re: #116 sagehen
The pride parade marched right into the Presidio, told everyone they'd found a Wiccan ritual to make Teh Gay contagious, and scared the military into leaving.
Teh gay is only contagious if you get rubbed the wrong way.
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sagehen Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:01:42pm |
re: #118 SanFranciscoZionist
I guess, having worked retail down on the piers during Fleet Week, I have a somewhat different idea of how San Francisco sees the military.
Is it something like this?
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sagehen Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:04:04pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:07:21pm |
re: #120 sagehen
Is it something like this?
[Video]
There's an element in town that certainly wishes...
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elbruce Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:11:52pm |
re: #108 Dark_Falcon
1. They turned against the military, and had derided them as "baby-killers". They'd gone from anti-war to anti-soldier,
2. and could not see Ronald Reagan's defense build-up as motivated by anything other than militarism.
3. There's a reason the military all but left the Bay Area after the Cold War ended: They didn't want to stay where they were not wanted.
(numerals aded)
1. Soldiers flying into the San Francisco airport specifically got this treatment? That's where that unsourced anecdote came from? Trace it back. In any case, much of the country mistakenly went "anti-soldier" following the Vietnam war. It's an argument that the right wing has (rightly) won for once and for all; whatever we may think of the war, never again will we blame our soldiers for it.
2. I'll need to see a local opinion poll to support that claim. I'm not even sure how that poll question would be phrased, since this claim is so vaguely specious.
3. San Francisco has historically been one of the greatest military based cities in the United States. The fact that the post-cold-war reduction significantly impacted them has absolutely nothing to do with local opinion; the DoD doesn't work that way when making cuts. "Oh no, that city has some hippies who hate us, let's remove that base!" Don't think so. That's not how appropriations bills work.
You seem to be seeing only a small part of one of the world's great cities.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:12:17pm |
re: #118 SanFranciscoZionist
I guess, having worked retail down on the piers during Fleet Week, I have a somewhat different idea of how San Francisco sees the military.
I will respect & trust your opinion since you live in SF. What makes people think otherwise is what the nuts running the city say in interviews. Here's one I remember:
S.F. supervisor makes waves with loose lips, battleship
Gay marriage, medical marijuana or calls to impeach President Bush, San Francisco City Hall has a long history of giving the rest of the country something to talk about -- and this week the talker was a bombshell served up by Supervisor Gerardo Sandoval.
It started with Sandoval going on Fox's "Hannity & Colmes" show to explain why he opposed bringing the historic battleship Iowa to San Francisco: "We just don't want to put a 10-story gun on the waterfront where everybody is going to be looking at it every single day."
But things really got interesting when the conversation turned to Sandoval's feelings about the U.S military.
"What good has it done for us in the last five years?" Sandoval asked.
"Are you kidding me?" Alan Colmes -- a Democrat -- asked a moment later.
"The United States should not have a military," Sandoval repeated. "All in all, we would be in much, much, much better shape."
"What do you want to defend ourselves -- what do you want to defend ourselves with?" Colmes asked later.
Sandoval: "Well, you got cops. It's called the Coast Guard. There's lots of things different."
Colmes: "You want to send cops to defend our shores if we're attacked? Cops?"
To which Sandoval replied: "You want to send people abroad to start these wars?"
By the next day, the calls and e-mails were pouring in to both Sandoval and other supervisors -- not only questioning Sandoval's stance, but also his shrug-of-shoulder delivery.
"I'm a third-generation born San Franciscan, and I'm appalled that you have not only been elected but re-elected by your misguided ultra liberal so-called citizens," wrote Jim Donovan of Sacramento.
"I remember when San Francisco was truly a dynamic city, but it has been reduced to a joke ... ." Donovan wrote.
On the local front, David Heller of the Greater Geary Boulevard Merchants and Property Owners Association wrote, "I almost do not want to promote the interview any further such that it makes our city look so bad."
Retired Marine Corps Maj. Gen. Mike Myatt, president of the Marines' Memorial Association in San Francisco, said, "I don't think he speaks for the city -- or even his district. It was the most inane and stupid comment I've heard in some time."
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:12:32pm |
re: #116 sagehen
The pride parade marched right into the Presidio, told everyone they'd found a Wiccan ritual to make Teh Gay contagious, and scared the military into leaving.
No, seriously, though. San Francisco now and then has some real loons on our Board of Supes, this I must admit. But our mayors tend to be workaday scions of the Burton Machine, we still host Fleet Week, the city is thirty percent Asian which is, believe me, a recipe for socially conservative behavior, we have churches and shopping malls--I keep trying to figure out how we got this reputation for being cutting-edge anti-American. Seriously, what the hell did we do? We didn't even name the sewage plant after Bush, that was voted down handily.
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sagehen Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:21:52pm |
re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist
Seriously, what the hell did we do?
1. You let openly gay people hold office. Have been doing so for years.
2. You let pro-gay-marriage people do street theater to put the discussion on the table.
3. You sent Nancy Pelosi to the House.
4. You're kinda near Berkeley.
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sagehen Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:23:34pm |
And some people are still stuck in 1969, so SF to them is all Haight-Ashbury and flowers in your hair and the Grateful Dead and Jefferson Airplane.
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elbruce Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:24:49pm |
re: #124 NJDhockeyfan
What makes people think otherwise is what the nuts running the city say in interviews.
So this guy was one city supervisor? Sandoval is wrong. And given SF's naval base status, it's not like the local city supervisor gets veto authority over battleship stationing anyway. Good thing national defense is way above his pay grade.
Look, the way things are right now, there are probably scores of cities where I could scare up dozens of right wing officials who would be willing to say that if gay marriage were legal, it would lead directly to everybody fucking goats.
In SF, there have been some people who get a little nuts in the lefty direction. Sometimes that's given us a Gerardo Sandoval, but sometimes it's given us a Harvey Milk.
I seem to keep hearing this thing from the right where anything thing they're doing en masse by the hundreds gets one counterexample, and suddenly they all completely freak out. Sandoval saying some stupid shit one time counts as one example. Having a rich guy like George Soros throwing billionaire money at lefty causes comes to mind as another. Basically, it's like the right gets to be judged by Special Olympic standards, while the left is expected to break the Olympic world record every time.
As an aside, I kind of think the conversation cited in #124 proves that Alan Colmes hardly counts as the "voice of the left wing" in discussions regarding FNC's "fair and balanced" thing. He's always been a milquetoast moderate.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:25:12pm |
re: #124 NJDhockeyfan
I will respect & trust your opinion since you live in SF. What makes people think otherwise is what the nuts running the city say in interviews. Here's one I remember:
I'm hardly going to defend Sandoval, turning down the Iowa was a terrible choice. But when they brought her in through the Golden Gate, people from all over the Bay Area went crazy coming to see her. All the moonbats, screaming and waving as she came in.
I'm just so sick of the endless, endless shit heaped on the city. The insults. The hysteria. The terrorist threats from fucking Bill O'Reilly. Nothing that happens in San Francisco that's pro-military makes the news, but anything that's anti is blown up by these fuckers and screamed off every show on Fox Fucking News, and called typical of the city. It is an endless, self-congratulatory, self-fulfilling prophecy, and frankly, I've run out of patience with it.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:25:37pm |
re: #126 sagehen
1. You let openly gay people hold office. Have been doing so for years.
2. You let pro-gay-marriage people do street theater to put the discussion on the table.
3. You sent Nancy Pelosi to the House.
4. You're kinda near Berkeley.
They really don't like that Nancy Pelosi!
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:27:04pm |
re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm hardly going to defend Sandoval, turning down the Iowa was a terrible choice. But when they brought her in through the Golden Gate, people from all over the Bay Area went crazy coming to see her. All the moonbats, screaming and waving as she came in.
I'm just so sick of the endless, endless shit heaped on the city. The insults. The hysteria. The terrorist threats from fucking Bill O'Reilly. Nothing that happens in San Francisco that's pro-military makes the news, but anything that's anti is blown up by these fuckers and screamed off every show on Fox Fucking News, and called typical of the city. It is an endless, self-congratulatory, self-fulfilling prophecy, and frankly, I've run out of patience with it.
And that ire was not at all aimed at you, Hockey, just clarifying, it's just terribly frustrating.
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elbruce Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:27:39pm |
re: #126 sagehen
1. You let openly gay people hold office. Have been doing so for years.
1. Yeah, and?
re: #126 sagehen
2. You let pro-gay-marriage people do street theater to put the discussion on the table.
2. Yeah, and?
re: #126 sagehen
3. You sent Nancy Pelosi to the House.
3. Why yes, that electoral district does effectively control the nation. Thanks for mentioning how awesome they are.
re: #126 sagehen
4. You're kinda near Berkeley.
4. Berkeley employs John Yoo. *spit*
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:29:39pm |
re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist
I favorited this. Allow me to repost when needed. (it will be)
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:30:48pm |
re: #133 Stanley Sea
I favorited this. Allow me to repost when needed. (it will be)
Of course. Sorry about the profanity.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:30:51pm |
re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm hardly going to defend Sandoval, turning down the Iowa was a terrible choice. But when they brought her in through the Golden Gate, people from all over the Bay Area went crazy coming to see her. All the moonbats, screaming and waving as she came in.
I'm just so sick of the endless, endless shit heaped on the city. The insults. The hysteria. The terrorist threats from fucking Bill O'Reilly. Nothing that happens in San Francisco that's pro-military makes the news, but anything that's anti is blown up by these fuckers and screamed off every show on Fox Fucking News, and called typical of the city. It is an endless, self-congratulatory, self-fulfilling prophecy, and frankly, I've run out of patience with it.
Of course! You got a rich recipe for mindless drivelling wingnut hatred:
1) multicultural (THEY DON'T LOVE JESUS LIKE WE DO)
B) gay scene (OMG FOLSOM A MAN WAS JERKING OFF IN FRONT OF CHILDREN, ZOMBIE TOLD ME SO)
c.) residual hippie hatred (even though the hippies got priced out and moved to Arcata haha)
x) jealousy because SF is full of awesome stuff to do, great restaurants, great shows, and creative people who look like they're having way more fun than asshole conservative hater X in his boring suburb in boringville that has not one, but two Applebees
Bill O'Reilly can eat shit and vomit on camera, probably the dumbest guy with a show on cable news
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:33:07pm |
re: #131 SanFranciscoZionist
And that ire was not at all aimed at you, Hockey, just clarifying, it's just terribly frustrating.
I can understand that. I want to come visit SF sometime. I know it's a beautiful city with great restaurants & history.
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sagehen Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:34:31pm |
re: #129 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm just so sick of the endless, endless shit heaped on the city. The insults. The hysteria.
Except I'm allowed to heap shit on the city (a different kind of shit) because I grew up near Los Angeles.
You have too many hills! The fog sucks! There's no parking! And you're a bunch of stuck-up assholes who call it The City, capital The, as if it's the only one there's ever been. And the Golden Gate Bridge isn't even golden, it's the color of John Boehner!
(although... I really do like the food. and I've been to the Exotic Erotic once and the Black & White Ball a couple of times, that was really a lot of fun. And did I mention the food? So, y'know, maybe I'll forgive you for the hills and the fog.)
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:34:36pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:35:34pm |
re: #136 NJDhockeyfan
I can understand that. I want to come visit SF sometime. I know it's a beautiful city with great restaurants & history.
Restaurants we got!
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:36:10pm |
re: #137 sagehen
Except I'm allowed to heap shit on the city (a different kind of shit) because I grew up near Los Angeles.
You have too many hills! The fog sucks! There's no parking! And you're a bunch of stuck-up assholes who call it The City, capital The, as if it's the only one there's ever been. And the Golden Gate Bridge isn't even golden, it's the color of John Boehner!
(although... I really do like the food. and I've been to the Exotic Erotic once and the Black & White Ball a couple of times, that was really a lot of fun. And did I mention the food? So, y'know, maybe I'll forgive you for the hills and the fog.)
I like fog and rain, fog to me is a feature, not a bug :D Too much sun gives me headaches, too much heat makes me cranky and unproductive
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elbruce Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:36:28pm |
Again: the wingnuts work by hacking chunks off of America and pretending it's not America. They attack SF, they attack LA, but that doesn't even matter because then they attack California. Hack it off, not part of "Real America." They hack off NYC (except when needed for 9/11worship), not part of "Real America." Hack off Chicago. Hack off Massachussetts (except for about a month when Brown won). Hack off any district or state that votes against them. Not part of "Real America." And so on.
If they keep this up, the right wing will eventually have carved "Real America" down to two guys on a tiny plot of land holding a a knife fight for all the marbles.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:36:39pm |
re: #137 sagehen
Except I'm allowed to heap shit on the city (a different kind of shit) because I grew up near Los Angeles.
You have too many hills! The fog sucks! There's no parking! And you're a bunch of stuck-up assholes who call it The City, capital The, as if it's the only one there's ever been. And the Golden Gate Bridge isn't even golden, it's the color of John Boehner!
(although... I really do like the food. and I've been to the Exotic Erotic once and the Black & White Ball a couple of times, that was really a lot of fun. And did I mention the food? So, y'know, maybe I'll forgive you for the hills and the fog.)
Yes, but you Angelenos from the hot, smoggy, gridlocked mess that you call Southern California are allowed to dump on us to make yourselves feel better.
And the bridge is darker than Boehner, I think.
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:37:16pm |
re: #136 NJDhockeyfan
I can understand that. I want to come visit SF sometime. I know it's a beautiful city with great restaurants & history.
You would LOVE IT. Destroy any previous thought.
Love it, you will.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:37:25pm |
re: #142 SanFranciscoZionist
Yes, but you Angelenos from the hot, smoggy, gridlocked mess that you call Southern California are allowed to dump on us to make yourselves feel better.
And the bridge is darker than Boehner, I think.
Actually, I was born in East LA.
But I moved to San Francisco by the time I was six, and have never looked back.
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elbruce Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:37:43pm |
re: #137 sagehen
And the Golden Gate Bridge isn't even golden, it's the color of John Boehner!
Yeah, what's up with that? You guys can't spring for some paint?
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:38:23pm |
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:40:22pm |
re: #145 elbruce
Yeah, what's up with that? You guys can't spring for some paint?
Boehner's got 4 golf trips up this month, better get on it!
OH, we have no budget. Fuck it, Boehner wins.
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elbruce Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:41:03pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:41:17pm |
re: #143 Stanley Sea
You would LOVE IT. Destroy any previous thought.
Love it, you will.
I know I would love it. I think the people running the city are kooks but I know the people who live there are wonderful. All the ones I've ever met were.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:44:52pm |
re: #149 NJDhockeyfan
I know I would love it. I think the people running the city are kooks but I know the people who live there are wonderful. All the ones I've ever met were.
If a guy named Chris Daly asks you to dinner, decline.
If a guy named Bevan Dufty asks you, go. He's a bit moonbatty, but very pro-Israel, also funny as hell.
(You got to pick your supes. And yes, they're mostly stark raving mad.)
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Jimmah Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:45:02pm |
re: #101 Dark_Falcon
And she was right to do so. It had become an anti-American city in many ways and remains so today.
Did Matrix31 hack your account?
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Tigger2 Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:53:55pm |
re: #94 Dark_Falcon
I just can't bring myself to trust him. He's failed or been dishonest too many times.
That's funny, that's the way I feel about Bush and Cheney.
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ClaudeMonet Fri, Aug 27, 2010 1:00:22am |
re: #32 SanFranciscoZionist
Well, I think the Blue Dogs are sort of DINOs, except they stay in the party, and no one tries to eject them, or would be able to. The Democratic inability to color inside the lines, or indeed, agree on where the hell the lines are, makes us slightly less prone to these fits of purging and purity.
Also less prone to unified action and more prone to in-fighting. whether this is good or is bad is a matter of opinion.
re: #28 Slumbering Behemoth
I am beginning to get the distinct impression that my party 'leaders' simply refuse to pass up an opportunity to step on their own dicks.
They can't step on what they can't find with a magnifying glass and tweezers.
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Obdicut Fri, Aug 27, 2010 4:55:03am |
re: #101 Dark_Falcon
And she was right to do so. It had become an anti-American city in many ways and remains so today.
Fucking pathetic, Dark. Just pathetic.
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