Onion: Are Tests Biased Against Apathetic Students?
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The Onion, as usual, is two steps ahead of the next massive outrage.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:54:04pm |
No embed is showing up for me here, using Firefox.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:56:02pm |
re: #1 Slumbering Behemoth
No embed is showing up for me here, using Firefox.
This vid does open and play normally for me.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 6:58:46pm |
re: #3 Dark_Falcon
Derp! Sometimes I forget I have that little NoScript thingy. Once I allowed the scripts for The Onion, it showed up right away. Never mind.
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lastlaugh Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:01:06pm |
I may be late on this one, but I loved this:
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:04:46pm |
I see a picture of a kid sleeping but no video controls. Might be because my internet service sucks.
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Kragar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:06:57pm |
I can actually picture this as a real debate in some communities
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What, me worry? Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:08:28pm |
Says "stream not found" and gives the URL.
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Charles Johnson Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:08:42pm |
re: #4 Slumbering Behemoth
Derp! Sometimes I forget I have that little NoScript thingy. Once I allowed the scripts for The Onion, it showed up right away. Never mind.
I don't know who runs the Onion's media delivery system, but they've been messing around with it a lot lately. The newest version uses an IFRAME.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:09:12pm |
Spare's tryin' to amend the Constitution again. Should I just take a deep breath and bear up?
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jaunte Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:09:12pm |
re: #7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
It's the Roman Hruska move:
Hruska is best remembered in American political history for a 1970 speech he made to the Senate urging them to confirm the nomination of G. Harrold Carswell to the Supreme Court. Responding to criticism that Carswell had been a mediocre judge, Hruska claimed that:
"Even if he were mediocre, there are a lot of mediocre judges and people and lawyers. They are entitled to a little representation, aren't they, and a little chance? We can't have all Brandeises, Frankfurters and Cardozos."
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
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Kragar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:09:13pm |
"I was lucky enough to have a teach who taught me to fake giving a shit which has turned me into the succesful pundit I am today."
DIRECT HIT!!!
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jaunte Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:10:04pm |
re: #10 SanFranciscoZionist
Just encourage him to form an exploratory committee.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:11:46pm |
re: #9 Charles
I don't know who runs the Onion's media delivery system, but they've been messing around with it a lot lately. The newest version uses an IFRAME.
Thanks, but you might as well be explaining the finer aspects of the internal combustion engine to a neanderthal.
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Kragar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:13:00pm |
re: #15 Slumbering Behemoth
Thanks, but you might as well be explaining the finer aspects of the internal combustion engine to a neanderthal.
Bigot.
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What, me worry? Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:13:54pm |
re: #10 SanFranciscoZionist
Spare's tryin' to amend the Constitution again. Should I just take a deep breath and bear up?
hehe Don't make me come up there, Mister!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:14:40pm |
re: #16 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Wait. Are you calling me a self-hating neanderthal? Thems clubbing words, mister.
/
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:15:00pm |
Heh saw that earlier in the day. The one about Time becoming a magazine for adults was also good. Would love to work for the Onion. They're some of the funniest folks in the business right now.
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What, me worry? Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:16:42pm |
I get the picture of the kid on his desk, but then it gives me an error.
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:18:24pm |
I really don't give a shit about this video.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:20:33pm |
re: #22 Conservative Moonbat
I really don't give a shit about this video.
Here's some cool science news instead...
Planets spotted in changing orbits
NASA's Kepler planet-hunting probe has spotted a system where two giant planets are locked in constantly changing orbits — with a super-Earth potentially pinned down in the crossfire.
Astronomers like to think of planets as a kind of celestial clockwork, keeping regular time. For example, the time it takes for the planets in our own solar system to complete their orbits can be calculated to within fractions of a second, and unless something huge happens, they'll stick to that timetable for billions of years.
In contrast, the two Saturn-size planets circling a sunlike star now known as Kepler-9, more than 2,000 light-years from Earth, shift their timetable with every go-round. Kepler-9b has an orbit lasting approximately 19.24 Earth days, while Kepler-9c has an orbit lasting a little more than twice as long, 38.91 days. But on average, Kepler-9b's orbit got about 4 minutes longer every time the Kepler astronomers checked, while Kepler-9c's averaged about 39 minutes shorter.
That suggests the planets are in the midst of a gravitational push-pull that keeps the orbits close to a 2-to-1 ratio, in what's known as a planetary resonance. In our own solar system, Pluto and Neptune are in a similar resonance (2-to-3), which is why little Pluto can't be kicked out of its orbit. The same thing applies to the Kepler-9 system.
[snip]
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Charles Johnson Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:21:40pm |
The thing about using an IFRAME to load video: an embedded IFRAME is essentially like a tab or new window loading another site. Cross-site scripting attacks are easier to stage, because to load an IFRAME's contents you have to give permission to another domain to load ... anything.
Sites that use an IFRAME are doing it because it's the easiest way to allow HTML5 video playback, but people need to be more aware of the security problems of embedded IFRAMEs.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:21:54pm |
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jaunte Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:23:55pm |
re: #23 NJDhockeyfan
A 19 day 'year' for a gas giant planet is really amazing. That system must be pretty well cleaned out of smaller asteroids.
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freetoken Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:31:20pm |
Speaking of biases and (political) tests:
Palin criticizes Obama, Fla. gov on abortion
Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is lumping President Barack Obama and Florida Gov. Charlie Crist together while criticizing their positions on abortion.
Palin said that Obama is the most pro-abortion president ever and that his health care plan will expand access to the procedure.
She also mocked Crist, who recently left the Republican Party, for still claiming to be pro-life after he vetoed a bill that would have required women to get ultrasounds before having an abortion.
That's right, The Sarah is in favor of forced ultrasounds. (Crist appears to believe that forcing intrusive procedures is wrong.)
The Sarah is playing the abortion card to help her buddy Rubio.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:32:21pm |
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freetoken Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:33:09pm |
re: #26 jaunte
A 19 day 'year' for a gas giant planet is really amazing. That system must be pretty well cleaned out of smaller asteroids.
Not necessarily. The gas giants are quite close to their star, and we don't know what lay beyond. As Kepler keeps observing there may be further transits discovered, thus planets farther out, or minor planets, or asteroid belts.
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jaunte Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:34:00pm |
re: #29 freetoken
Aha, you were sucked into the passing gravitational field...
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:34:46pm |
re: #10 SanFranciscoZionist
Spare's tryin' to amend the Constitution again. Should I just take a deep breath and bear up?
ignore. It's not his constitution. It's ours. zero threat, except on the flow of LGF.
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:38:34pm |
re: #27 freetoken
Speaking of biases and (political) tests:
Palin criticizes Obama, Fla. gov on abortion
That's right, The Sarah is in favor of forced ultrasounds. (Crist appears to believe that forcing intrusive procedures is wrong.)
The Sarah is playing the abortion card to help her buddy Rubio.
Not to mention the health care plan will result in insurance plans that previously covered abortion dropping it, thanks to Stupek.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:39:24pm |
Ludwig in da house!
How is everyone tonight?
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jaunte Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:40:04pm |
re: #33 LudwigVanQuixote
Albusteve was here earlier and said he felt 'lighter.'
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:40:35pm |
re: #28 Killgore Trout
Speaking of culinary professionals, Anthony Bourdain's episode in Beirut when he got caught in the Israel/Lebanon war doing his show comes on in about an hour and a half. I saw it earlier today. It is definitely worth watching.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:41:40pm |
re: #27 freetoken
Speaking of biases and (political) tests:
Palin criticizes Obama, Fla. gov on abortion
That's right, The Sarah is in favor of forced ultrasounds. (Crist appears to believe that forcing intrusive procedures is wrong.)
The Sarah is playing the abortion card to help her buddy Rubio.
You do realize that Sarah, whom I cloned from a hairless monkey, and then replaced half of her brain with an old Atari 2600 motherboard, is my instrument of total global domination?
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:41:57pm |
re: #27 freetoken
Speaking of biases and (political) tests:
Palin criticizes Obama, Fla. gov on abortion
That's right, The Sarah is in favor of forced ultrasounds. (Crist appears to believe that forcing intrusive procedures is wrong.)
The Sarah is playing the abortion card to help her buddy Rubio.
She is on a roll. Just wait. This is nothing.
I got a tweet from John Coal where he's just hahahhahahhaha. It was in response to Saint Sarah's call out (facebook of course) to the Union Members of America.
I subscribe to Sully's view. Watch out for this crazy walking among us.
Thanks John McCain! Never forgiven.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:42:03pm |
re: #34 jaunte
Albusteve was here earlier and said he felt 'lighter.'
Ouch. I wish him a speedy recovery.
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freetoken Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:42:22pm |
re: #30 jaunte
Aha, you were sucked into the passing gravitational field...
Heh... gravity - it sucks.
I did put up a Pages entry on this pointing out that the pleasant side benefit of this solar system is that it has provided the first Kepler discovery announced of an Earth sized planet (almost, sort of super-earth.)
The star in question (Kepler 9) is slightly cooler than our sun (because it is the same mass but greater diameter), and it has more elements heavier than Helium compared to our sun, thus is probably older:
[Link: kepler.nasa.gov...]
One thing that is kind of strange is how now, when Exoplanetology is really starting to pay off in discoveries, the general public's reaction is sort of ho-hum. Back when I was a kid the news of observing a planet around another star would have been headline news, with uncle Walter talking it up.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:44:04pm |
re: #40 freetoken
It is almost certainly older than our sun. You re describing a yellow dwarf that has burned much more of its hydrogen.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:45:15pm |
re: #36 NJDhockeyfan
Speaking of culinary professionals, Anthony Bourdain's episode in Beirut when he got caught in the Israel/Lebanon war doing his show comes on in about an hour and a half. I saw it earlier today. It is definitely worth watching.
He's a good egg.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:47:38pm |
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Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:48:38pm |
I've never been a big fan of mint sauce with lamb but add a side of sweet taters and it's fucking fantastic. I may be a convert.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:50:31pm |
re: #37 LudwigVanQuixote
You do realize that Sarah, whom I cloned from a hairless monkey, and then replaced half of her brain with an old Atari 2600 motherboard, is my instrument of total global domination?
SMACK! That's for having such bad tastes in cloned puppets.
//
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Killgore Trout Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:50:44pm |
re: #43 NJDhockeyfan
Yes he is. Have you seen the Beirut episode yet?
I did. Sadly I missed the hayday of Beirut before everything went to shit and I haven't had the pleasure of visiting recently. It's on my list.
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freetoken Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:51:22pm |
re: #44 Killgore Trout
Well, I've never been a fan of mint sauce or lamb, though sweet potatoes attract me quite strongly. Walking around Japan I could find some old fashioned street vendors selling hot sweet potatoes from their little wagons. Very quaint.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:53:01pm |
re: #46 Killgore Trout
I did. Sadly I missed the hayday of Beirut before everything went to shit and I haven't had the pleasure of visiting recently. It's on my list.
It looks like a fun city. If they got rid of Hezbollah it would be easier to make plans to visit.
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Kragar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:55:35pm |
re: #47 freetoken
Well, I've never been a fan of mint sauce or lamb, though sweet potatoes attract me quite strongly. Walking around Japan I could find some old fashioned street vendors selling hot sweet potatoes from their little wagons. Very quaint.
I miss the little corner noodle shops
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:55:48pm |
re: #45 Dark_Falcon
You won't be saying that when my army of crazed Sarahbots conquers Cleavland!
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:58:17pm |
National Church Leaders Condemn Misrepresentations of President Obama’s Christian Faith
Washington, DC (August 25, 2010)—Over 70 prominent Christian leaders and denominational heads from across the ideological spectrum joined together today to call for a stop to the misrepresentation of President Obama’s Christian faith. In an open letter, these Christian leaders called on the media, public officials, and their fellow Christians to stand with them in opposing those who continue to insinuate that the President is a Muslim, not a Christian....
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Gus Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:58:57pm |
re: #50 LudwigVanQuixote
You won't be saying that when my army of crazed Sarahbots conquers Cleavland!
She's already going after Scott Brown. She's a weirdo.
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Kragar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:59:15pm |
re: #51 NJDhockeyfan
National Church Leaders Condemn Misrepresentations of President Obama’s Christian Faith
Glenn Beck is still confused.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:59:40pm |
While carrying my laptop up the stairs, (while reading my laptop screen) a story grabbed my eye, so I wasn't paying attention.. tripped and fell (fucking hard!). I fell elbows and knees first, cradling the laptop in my arms to protect it. A man's gotta have his priorities.
The story?
Macaulay Culkin is 30.
Both of my elbows and both of my knees are bleeding... but... It doesn't really matter... Macaulay Culkin is 30. I'm probably just about to die of old age anyway.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 7:59:43pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:00:25pm |
Just made reservations for Cirque d'hiver in Paris for Jan 2011. Last two times I was in town, I didn't book far enough ahead of time, and couldn't get reservations. It's a classic European styled circus, the building was build in 1852, it was originally named Cirque Napoléon after Napoléon III.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:00:42pm |
re: #55 NJDhockeyfan
You would need serious antibiotics, for this...
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:01:48pm |
re: #56 Walter L. Newton
Just made reservations for Cirque d'hiver in Paris for Jan 2011. Last two times I was in town, I didn't book far enough ahead of time, and couldn't get reservations. It's a classic European styled circus, the building was build in 1852, it was originally named Cirque Napoléon after Napoléon III.
Cool! I want to see the Beatles one in Las Vegas one day.
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freetoken Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:02:16pm |
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:03:45pm |
re: #51 NJDhockeyfan
National Church Leaders Condemn Misrepresentations of President Obama’s Christian Faith
Read the signatories, nice group to watch in the future.
Also the title of their post: Faith is not a Political Issue.
[Link: www.eleisongroup.com...]
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:03:47pm |
re: #54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
You think that's crazy, look at who he's dating. Guy must be packing some heat.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:03:50pm |
re: #58 NJDhockeyfan
I kind of hope Ringo lives the longest.
Won't be so much as irony as it will be, "Well, ain't that just perfect."
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Kragar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:03:51pm |
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:04:10pm |
re: #58 NJDhockeyfan
Cool! I want to see the Beatles one in Las Vegas one day.
The Beatles? This is Cirque d'hiver (The Winter Circus) in Paris, not Cirque De Soleil people out of Montreal.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:04:59pm |
More science news...
Obama Stance on Climate Suit Stuns Allies
The Obama administration has riled up environmental groups by siding with big utilities in a lawsuit over whether states can sue power plant operators for contributing to climate change.
It isn’t that the Obama administration is in favor of unfettered emissions. The Department of Justice brief, filed with the Supreme Court this week, says the Environmental Protection Agency is already on the job, and doesn’t need help from private plaintiffs.
“EPA has already begun taking actions to address carbon-dioxide emissions,” a brief filed by Acting Solicitor General Neal Katyal says. “That regulatory approach is preferable to what would result if multiple district courts — acting without the benefit of even the most basic statutory guidance — could use common-law nuisance claims to sit as arbiters of scientific and technology-related disputes and de facto regulators of power plants and other sources of pollution.”
The administration’s brief was filed in connection with litigation pitting the state of Connecticut and seven other states as well as New York City against a group of large coal-burning utilities. The suit contends the utilities are creating a “public nuisance’” through their greenhouse-gas emissions and seeks to force them to cut their emissions. The utilities, including American Electric Power Corp., countered that the issue was a political, not a judicial, matter and that the states didn’t have a right to sue, among other arguments.
The Obama administration has more than once taken the view that federal rules should be enforced by federal agencies – not through a patchwork of state-level decisions.
But some environmental groups nonetheless expressed surprise that the Justice Department would side with utilities in this matter. Environmentalists have been encouraging states to combat climate change in the absence of legislation from Washington.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:06:02pm |
re: #61 Slumbering Behemoth
I had absolutely no idea that she voiced Meg from "Family Guy"! Holy crap!
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:06:13pm |
re: #54 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
While carrying my laptop up the stairs, (while reading my laptop screen) a story grabbed my eye, so I wasn't paying attention.. tripped and fell (fucking hard!). I fell elbows and knees first, cradling the laptop in my arms to protect it. A man's gotta have his priorities.
The story?
Macaulay Culkin is 30.
Both of my elbows and both of my knees are bleeding... but... It doesn't really matter... Macaulay Culkin is 30. I'm probably just about to die of old age anyway.
You were the culprit of the Cthluhu vibrator earlier? FBV, I feel for you, but it's a needed sacrifice.
Forgive me if it was Slumbering Behemoth. I think it was, but I'm still going to post. :)
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:06:55pm |
re: #27 freetoken
Speaking of biases and (political) tests:
Palin criticizes Obama, Fla. gov on abortion
That's right, The Sarah is in favor of forced ultrasounds. (Crist appears to believe that forcing intrusive procedures is wrong.)
The Sarah is playing the abortion card to help her buddy Rubio.
Yeah she's off her rocker. Seriously Sarah you don't get to go around slamming Crist and Obama for opposing measures like this then claim the Obama administration is taking away our liberties. I'm also tired of her using her daughter to justify her extreme position on abortion.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:07:00pm |
re: #64 Walter L. Newton
The Beatles? This is Cirque d'hiver (The Winter Circus) in Paris, not Cirque De Soleil people out of Montreal.
I can't tell the difference. All I know is they are different than the circuses that come around here.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:07:05pm |
re: #66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
She replaced the original voice actor after the first season, I think.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:07:53pm |
re: #61 Slumbering Behemoth
And... HOLY COW! She's doing a movie with Nat Portman.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:08:01pm |
re: #70 Slumbering Behemoth
She replaced the original voice actor after the first season, I think.
That or it was midway through the second season. I think she uses her regular voice the way MacFarlane does for Brian. I for one have always found Mila attractive. She was gorgeous in Forgetting Sarah Marshall.
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:08:05pm |
re: #70 Slumbering Behemoth
She replaced the original voice actor after the first season, I think.
You could tell it was her by the Russian accent.
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blueraven Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:08:29pm |
re: #58 NJDhockeyfan
Cool! I want to see the Beatles one in Las Vegas one day.
It is excellent. I took my daughter for her 21st birthday. We loved it!
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:08:37pm |
re: #68 HappyWarrior
Yeah she's off her rocker. Seriously Sarah you don't get to go around slamming Crist and Obama for opposing measures like this then claim the Obama administration is taking away our liberties. I'm also tired of her using her daughter to justify her extreme position on abortion.
I read today that Bristol, teenage mother, is going to be on Dancing with the Stars.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:09:36pm |
re: #75 Stanley Sea
Oh, fuck... G'night Knuckleheads.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:09:58pm |
re: #73 Walter L. Newton
Sexy, no?
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Walter L. Newton Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:09:58pm |
re: #75 Stanley Sea
I read today that Bristol, teenage mother, is going to be on Dancing with the Stars.
Like I needed another reason not to watch that piece of shit show.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:10:29pm |
re: #70 Slumbering Behemoth
Yeah, but now? Meg's gonna start turning me on.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:10:34pm |
re: #75 Stanley Sea
I read today that Bristol, teenage mother, is going to be on Dancing with the Stars.
And then Palin will run down Hollywood in her next apperance on Fox :D.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:11:08pm |
re: #75 Stanley Sea
I read today that Bristol, teenage mother, is going to be on Dancing with the Stars.
Aw, that's just great. Now all the news stations will put important news on hold for wall to wall coverage on that.
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jaunte Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:11:47pm |
re: #67 Stanley Sea
I'm sorry, but that's just too rich a field of phrases to ignore.
Editing down...
a story grabbed my eye
I wasn't paying attention
tripped and fell (fucking hard!)
elbows and knees first
cradling the laptop to protect it
man's gotta have his priorities
Macaulay Culkin is 30
elbows and both of my knees are bleeding
doesn't really matter.
Macaulay Culkin is 30
I'm probably just about to die of old age
culprit of the Cthluhu vibrator
FBV, I feel for you
a needed sacrifice
Forgive me if it was
Slumbering Behemoth
I'm still going to post
:)
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:13:26pm |
re: #65 NJDhockeyfan
More science news...
That's actually consistency from Obama. He wants one uniform Federal rule for AGW, not a crazy quilt of state regulations. I actually think he's right on this.
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Targetpractice Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:13:32pm |
re: #52 Gus 802
She's already going after Scott Brown. She's a weirdo.
Yeah, it's time for another round of "Burn out the 'heretics'" for the Right. Brown's "sin" apparently is being a "RINO," otherwise known as voting the way his constituents want rather than with the party line. So, to nobody's surprise, they think that he should be gone from the party and his seat.
SSDD
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:15:19pm |
re: #75 Stanley Sea
I read today that Bristol, teenage mother, is going to be on Dancing with the Stars.
Well, she can't act, but hopefully she can dance.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:16:51pm |
re: #83 Dark_Falcon
That's actually consistency from Obama. He wants one uniform Federal rule for AGW, not a crazy quilt of state regulations. I actually think he's right on this.
I think he is too. He has the environmentalists pissed off right now. He must have done the right thing.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:17:27pm |
re: #75 Stanley Sea
I read today that Bristol, teenage mother, is going to be on Dancing with the Stars.
Hmm... I wonder which Star they're gonna pair her with.
/
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:17:50pm |
re: #85 Dark_Falcon
Well, she can't act, but hopefully she can dance.
Now she just needs to learn to play the flute and she'll be ready to follow in her mother's footsteps.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:18:51pm |
re: #82 jaunte
Goodness, art & poetry too!
WOW!
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cliffster Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:19:05pm |
Dancing With the Stars. Good grief, what a stupid show.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:19:15pm |
re: #66 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I had absolutely no idea that she voiced Meg from "Family Guy"! Holy crap!
Now that someone has told me, I can hear it in my head, though. It is the same voice.
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:19:26pm |
re: #85 Dark_Falcon
Well, she can't act, but hopefully she can dance.
Oh my god, the horror that is America.
They are grifters. Small town folks that John McCain (instead of a sex tape) made into media stars.
Wonder if St. Sarah will actually run for office or just keep taking the $.
Do you think she's getting paid for the endorsements of candidates? If not with cash to her PAC then...??
Just twisted shit in my mind.
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:20:01pm |
re: #86 NJDhockeyfan
I think he is too. He has the environmentalists pissed off right now. He must have done the right thing.
He's a fucking centrist. It blows everyone's mind.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:20:08pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:20:45pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:21:01pm |
re: #68 HappyWarrior
Yeah she's off her rocker. Seriously Sarah you don't get to go around slamming Crist and Obama for opposing measures like this then claim the Obama administration is taking away our liberties. I'm also tired of her using her daughter to justify her extreme position on abortion.
"The biggest advance of the abortion industry in America is the passage of Obamacare," Palin said. "Elective abortions have nothing to do with health care. It's about ending lives, not saving lives."
Uh, Sarah, how exactly is the passage of 'Obamacare' advancing the 'abortion industry'? Can you give me some actual details there?
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freetoken Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:21:42pm |
re: #83 Dark_Falcon
That's actually consistency from Obama. He wants one uniform Federal rule for AGW, not a crazy quilt of state regulations. I actually think he's right on this.
The other reason is that the TVA is a government agency and the Executive branch tends to take the side of federal government.
The big picture is not the problem here - as you point out, the President wants a straightforward national policy and not a piecemeal effort. Like you I agree that is the better approach.
The implementation of the policies that the EPA will move into action are fraught with all sorts of infighting among different interest groups. This is one of the flies in the ointment.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:21:50pm |
re: #95 Stanley Sea
He's a fucking centrist. It blows everyone's mind.
Is that why he's sinking in the polls?
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:22:16pm |
re: #71 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
And... HOLY COW! She's doing a movie with Nat Portman.
Do they make out? Because if they make out, my husband may actually die of happiness.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:22:23pm |
re: #98 SanFranciscoZionist
"The biggest advance of the abortion industry in America is the passage of Obamacare," Palin said. "Elective abortions have nothing to do with health care. It's about ending lives, not saving lives."
Uh, Sarah, how exactly is the passage of 'Obamacare' advancing the 'abortion industry'? Can you give me some actual details there?
She can't give details. It's just like the death panels. A bunch of bullshit to scare her supporters. I feel Obama could be better than he's been but man the more I hear Palin and McCain too talk the more I feel we dodged a huge bullet two Novembers ago.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:22:54pm |
Now, now. Bristol is no more Sarah than I am my dead beat dad. It's not her fault she was born to a shameless populist.
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jaunte Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:23:35pm |
re: #103 Slumbering Behemoth
I'll bet she finishes her job, too.
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Targetpractice Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:23:42pm |
re: #98 SanFranciscoZionist
"The biggest advance of the abortion industry in America is the passage of Obamacare," Palin said. "Elective abortions have nothing to do with health care. It's about ending lives, not saving lives."
Uh, Sarah, how exactly is the passage of 'Obamacare' advancing the 'abortion industry'? Can you give me some actual details there?
Of course not. If Sarah has demonstrated anything since McCain unleashed her upon the Right, it's that she's long on talk, short on IQ points. She can belch out useless talking points with the best of them, but if you actually press her for in-depth answers or simply translated her ramblings into English, her brain seizes up and we get this blank stare that's the political equivalent of the Blue Screen of Death.
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:23:45pm |
re: #98 SanFranciscoZionist
"The biggest advance of the abortion industry in America is the passage of Obamacare," Palin said. "Elective abortions have nothing to do with health care. It's about ending lives, not saving lives."
Uh, Sarah, how exactly is the passage of 'Obamacare' advancing the 'abortion industry'? Can you give me some actual details there?
Politifact's lie of the year, repeat! Sarah is a liar. Hell, there's a freaking list and we are all bored with it, it's so damn long.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:24:24pm |
re: #75 Stanley Sea
I read today that Bristol, teenage mother, is going to be on Dancing with the Stars.
College. She needs to go to COLLEGE.
Why aren't they listening to me?
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:25:08pm |
re: #104 jaunte
Honestly, I would not be surprised if there was a "tell all" book deal in her future re: the '08 election and life in the Palin house in general.
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:25:42pm |
re: #100 NJDhockeyfan
Is that why he's sinking in the polls?
Who cares about the polls now a days? Geeze, Americans are pretty much misinformed and confused from my view. See Islam, and the Burlington Coat Factory OUTRAGE.
End results. 2012. Oh, and political ads.
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Targetpractice Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:26:05pm |
re: #100 NJDhockeyfan
Is that why he's sinking in the polls?
Pretty much. He wants to please everybody and we know that that never works in politics. Both sides are going to bitch that he's not far enough to their side for them, but if he tries to please them, the middle bitches that he's too far to one side or the other.
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Lidane Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:26:31pm |
re: #102 HappyWarrior
I feel Obama could be better than he's been but man the more I hear Palin and McCain too talk the more I feel we dodged a huge bullet two Novembers ago.
We dodged a massive, massive bullet in November 2008. Obama has been anything but perfect, and has done things I haven't been happy about, but you know what? I'll deal with it all until 2016 if it keeps Caribou Barbie the hell away from the nuke codes or any real power.
I kind of hope that Huntsman stays out of pocket until then, too. Let the crazies have their circus in 2012 and then hope for an adult voice like his to come back to the GOP after the wingnuts get curbstomped again.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:26:43pm |
re: #93 Stanley Sea
Oh my god, the horror that is America.
They are grifters. Small town folks that John McCain (instead of a sex tape) made into media stars.
Wonder if St. Sarah will actually run for office or just keep taking the $.
Do you think she's getting paid for the endorsements of candidates? If not with cash to her PAC then...??
Just twisted shit in my mind.
Bristol's not a grifter. What she is is an above-average small-town girl whose mother's rise to fame and her own pregnancy gained her nationwide name-recognition. She uses that fame to gain money and attention for herself, but unlike her mother she's not lying as she does it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:26:49pm |
re: #88 Conservative Moonbat
Now she just needs to learn to play the flute and she'll be ready to follow in her mother's footsteps.
One of the few things Sarah ever said that I liked was about that pageant. She said they asked the girls to turn around so the judges could look at their butts in the bathing suits, and she didn't like it.
I realize she probably should have realized what the pageant was before she entered it, but it was one of the few times I felt I was just getting Sarah, with no moral or special 'extra' attached.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:27:00pm |
Israel working to thwart Russia arms deal with Syria
Israel is trying to prevent an arms deal between Russia and Syria, and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has asked his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin, to stop the arms sale involving advanced anti-shipping missiles.
The deal involves the sale of advanced P-800 Yakhont supersonic cruise missiles to the Syrian military. Israel considers this weaponry capable of posing significant danger to its navy vessels in the Mediterranean Sea.
If Syria gets these, how long will it take for some of them to end up in the hands of Hezbollah.
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Racer X Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:27:04pm |
re: #65 NJDhockeyfan
More science news...
I get the feeling the Obama administration is going to wield a much larger stick, and doesn't want to scare of the target.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:27:37pm |
re: #99 freetoken
The other reason is that the TVA is a government agency and the Executive branch tends to take the side of federal government.
The big picture is not the problem here - as you point out, the President wants a straightforward national policy and not a piecemeal effort. Like you I agree that is the better approach.
The implementation of the policies that the EPA will move into action are fraught with all sorts of infighting among different interest groups. This is one of the flies in the ointment.
Quite Concur.
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:27:46pm |
re: #107 SanFranciscoZionist
College. She needs to go to COLLEGE.
Why aren't they listening to me?
money money money. Money.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:28:15pm |
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abolitionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:28:57pm |
re: #24 Charles
The thing about using an IFRAME to load video:
[snip]
Favorited. I think yours is the most concise explanation of the security issue I've seen.
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Lidane Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:29:48pm |
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freetoken Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:30:49pm |
re: #24 Charles
The thing about using an IFRAME to load video:...
You frame,
I frame,
We all frame
for HTML5 fame.
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:30:52pm |
re: #112 Dark_Falcon
Bristol's not a grifter. What she is is an above-average small-town girl whose mother's rise to fame and her own pregnancy gained her nationwide name-recognition. She uses that fame to gain money and attention for herself, but unlike her mother she's not lying as she does it.
Oh Dark. She and Levi were paid 100K for the reconciliation magazine cover. With their child front and center.
(she was paid previously for the other mag covers with her child)
This reconciliation lasted what, 2 weeks?
Going for the dough. She's a grifter too. I'd say this if it was my sister of course, it's not just the Palin disgust.
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austin_blue Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:31:20pm |
re: #51 NJDhockeyfan
National Church Leaders Condemn Misrepresentations of President Obama’s Christian Faith
Ah. Being a Muslim would make one ineligible to be President. Just like JFK took orders from the Vatican after his election in 1960.
The fact that these people have to issue such a letter is a clear indicator of just how much bigotry exists in this country against Sufis.
Hence the hate against the Hallowed Ground of The Burlington Coat Factory.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:31:24pm |
re: #107 SanFranciscoZionist
College. She needs to go to COLLEGE.
Why aren't they listening to me?
There was a woman in the college class behind me at Mills who had a little girl. She was four, my friend was twenty. They had an apartment in the married student housing, the little girl went to daycare on campus, and for the weeks right around finals she stayed with her grandparents.
These were people without anywhere near the Palins' financial resources. Sarah could get Bristol a damn nanny. She needs to go to SCHOOL.
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blueraven Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:31:35pm |
re: #112 Dark_Falcon
Bristol's not a grifter. What she is is an above-average small-town girl whose mother's rise to fame and her own pregnancy gained her nationwide name-recognition. She uses that fame to gain money and attention for herself, but unlike her mother she's not lying as she does it.
What makes Bristol "above average"?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:32:51pm |
re: #114 NJDhockeyfan
Israel working to thwart Russia arms deal with Syria
If Syria gets these, how long will it take for some of them to end up in the hands of Hezbollah.
That would be something of a risk for Syria. Those missiles are only produced in Russia and Syria would not have plausible deniability. That said, those missiles could sink an Israeli frigate in fired en masse. And that would give Hezbollah a huge 'victory' to claim.
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:33:00pm |
re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist
One of the few things Sarah ever said that I liked was about that pageant. She said they asked the girls to turn around so the judges could look at their butts in the bathing suits, and she didn't like it.
I realize she probably should have realized what the pageant was before she entered it, but it was one of the few times I felt I was just getting Sarah, with no moral or special 'extra' attached.
Of course, if it's true. Was this on tape from the pagent?
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sagehen Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:33:10pm |
re: #98 SanFranciscoZionist
Uh, Sarah, how exactly is the passage of 'Obamacare' advancing the 'abortion industry'? Can you give me some actual details there?
oh, that one's easy.
There's all kinds of extra new "conscience" protections for doctors and pharmacists who don't want to prescribe or sell contraceptives.
Ergo, more unwanted pregnancies. Ergo, more abortions.
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b_sharp Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:33:55pm |
I'm reading your posts while sitting completely naked in front of my laptop.
If you guys can scrounge up a pile of money, a big pile, I'll go put my clothes back on.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:35:15pm |
re: #127 Stanley Sea
Of course, if it's true. Was this on tape from the pagent?
No idea. I'm just going on my own impression. Little that she says strikes me as genuine, but for some reason this did.
I also laughed when she said she regretted not getting a chance to name a son Zamboni.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:36:21pm |
re: #122 Stanley Sea
Oh Dark. She and Levi were paid 100K for the reconciliation magazine cover. With their child front and center.
(she was paid previously for the other mag covers with her child)
This reconciliation lasted what, 2 weeks?
Going for the dough. She's a grifter too. I'd say this if it was my sister of course, it's not just the Palin disgust.
I don't consider playing the media to make money to be 'grifting'. I just see it as living the modern American Dream: money for not-really working.
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elbruce Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:36:57pm |
re: #103 Slumbering Behemoth
Now, now. Bristol is no more Sarah than I am my dead beat dad. It's not her fault she was born to a shameless populist.
I like Bristol. I recently saw an ad she did which started out "what if I didn't come from a famous family?" And went from there with her makeup and furniture disappearing until she ends up the picture of a destitute single teen mom. You could take it as pro-abstinence or pro-contraception pro-education or whatever (the tagline was "pause before you play") but it seemed really noncontroversial and particularly sensitive to poverty issues. She seems nice, and has been far far better than her mom at controlling message to avoid coming off sounding like a mean and crazy person.
Ah yes, here it is:
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:37:14pm |
re: #131 jaunte
Will you take a golden Cthluhu appendage?
You so beat me to this. First thing that came to mind.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:37:15pm |
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:38:45pm |
You know, I'd gain some respect for Sarah if she supported the government helping unwed and teen mothers. But instead she plays the "socialism" card at every opportunity. Not every young mother gets to have the governor of a state for a mother. The Catholic Church and I have a long list of disagreements but at least unlike Beck and Palin they don't agree that social justice is this evil thing.
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austin_blue Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:38:48pm |
re: #112 Dark_Falcon
Bristol's not a grifter. What she is is an above-average small-town girl whose mother's rise to fame and her own pregnancy gained her nationwide name-recognition. She uses that fame to gain money and attention for herself, but unlike her mother she's not lying as she does it.
Wasilla Hillbilly. If she looked like a slack-jawed yokel, you would just go ewwww. Let's face it, she is attractive and had a baby with the Captain Of The Hockey Team. She listened to her mama's religion, and rejected it.
If I was an 18 year old boy, I would have fucked her, too. That's what 18 year old boys do with willing partners.
Family values!
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:39:06pm |
re: #132 Dark_Falcon
I don't consider playing the media to make money to be 'grifting'. I just see it as living the modern American Dream: money for not-really working.
And that my friend is so unadmirable.
Shame shame shame.
(not you, per se, but your and so many other's acceptance and welcoming of same)
shame, and good luck America!!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:39:36pm |
re: #131 jaunte
My extremities are not for sale, snack food!
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:39:38pm |
re: #129 b_sharp
Pass the brain bleach, PRONTO!
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Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:42:06pm |
Not to dismiss or diss the future (which iz, according to common bullshit, our childrenz), but kidz are usually (unless someone intervenez) little mirror imagez of their dumbass parentz, from whom they absorb (like spongez) the dumbass shite that their parentz believe.
I know plenty of former classmates who have done very well in this dumbass world just based on imitating what their dumbass parentz told them about life, the universe, and everything.
Universal education is a waste of time, money, and effort.
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:42:47pm |
ooooh, huge moon rising.
Need Ojoe. My search didn't find anything quickly.
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elbruce Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:43:11pm |
re: #138 austin_blue
Wasilla Hillbilly. If she looked like a slack-jawed yokel, you would just go ewww. Let's face it, she is attractive and had a baby with the Captain Of The Hockey Team. She listened to her mama's religion, and rejected it.
If I was an 18 year old boy, I would have fucked her, too. That's what 18 year old boys do with willing partners.
Yeah, attractive people get better breaks. That's just how it is.
The question of how to judge her (as if we even should) is what does she do with this monumentally fucked up situation? She's pregnant, her mom's the Republican Veep nominee transformed into national bitch, her boyfriend's doing Playgirl - what choices do you make now? Do you turn into a screeching harpy like your mother, do you pander to the "blame the victim" far right, do you go back to rural Alaska quietly, or do you carve a new path? She seems to be doing pretty good. She's still accepting certain spotlight opportunities, but I'm not seeing any blame or finger-pointing from her, which is more than can be said for most right wing celebs.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:43:16pm |
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:43:55pm |
re: #139 Stanley Sea
And that my friend is so unadmirable.
Shame shame shame.
(not you, per se, but your and so many other's acceptance and welcoming of same)
shame, and good luck America!!
I actually think it rather sad, and I don't welcome it. But its gained wide enough acceptance that I don't call it grifting anymore. Daniel Patrick Moyinihan called it "defining deviancy down".
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sagehen Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:44:08pm |
re: #112 Dark_Falcon
Bristol's not a grifter. What she is is an above-average small-town girl whose mother's rise to fame and her own pregnancy gained her nationwide name-recognition. She uses that fame to gain money and attention for herself, but unlike her mother she's not lying as she does it.
I'm not entirely convinced.
She and Levi got some good money for their "engagement" magazine cover; the day after the check cleared, they broke up again. I'm a cynic. I think it was planned that way.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:45:00pm |
re: #147 Slumbering Behemoth
Heh gotta say the funniest criticism of Obama I can remember was some dingbat criticizing the czars that the Obama administration has and saying it was Soviet style. Had to laugh for obvious reasons.
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jaunte Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:46:21pm |
re: #149 sagehen
Odder than them taking the money is the number of people who pay for magazines because Bristol n' Levi are on the cover.
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:46:33pm |
re: #146 elbruce
Yeah, attractive people get better breaks. That's just how it is.
The question of how to judge her (as if we even should) is what does she do with this monumentally fucked up situation? She's pregnant, her mom's the Republican Veep nominee transformed into national bitch, her boyfriend's doing Playgirl - what choices do you make now? Do you turn into a screeching harpy like your mother, do you pander to the "blame the victim" far right, do you go back to rural Alaska quietly, or do you carve a new path? She seems to be doing pretty good. She's still accepting certain spotlight opportunities, but I'm not seeing any blame or finger-pointing from her, which is more than can be said for most right wing celebs.
elbruce - this is so obvious. She took the path of getting paid for posing and giving stories to tabloid magazines. Graduation holding child. Done, paid. Others in between. Levi & her with child recently.
How do you forget this and dismiss this? Or whitewash it as "She's still accepting certain spotlight opportunities"
Am I whack? I don't respect this shit she fell into and exploits at ALL.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:48:31pm |
re: #152 Stanley Sea
Genuine nutty rhetoric in the last thread, you should take a gander at it
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:48:36pm |
re: #151 jaunte
Odder than them taking the money is the number of people who pay for magazines because Bristol n' Levi are on the cover.
Actually, I think they lose $ on the printing. If there's money to be made by the pre-press release of the cover on every single fricking blog (left leaning in the majority) that's where they make the dough.
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elbruce Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:50:07pm |
re: #152 Stanley Sea
elbruce - this is so obvious. She took the path of getting paid for posing and giving stories to tabloid magazines. Graduation holding child. Done, paid. Others in between. Levi & her with child recently.
How do you forget this and dismiss this? Or whitewash it as "She's still accepting certain spotlight opportunities"
Am I whack? I don't respect this shit she fell into and exploits at ALL.
Option 1: go back to Alaska and live in a cedarwood shack while Levi works the oilfields. Have you seen rural Alaska? It's like a really beautiful version of Oklahoma.
Option 2: Mama will take care of you, but you'll have to help her smear her enemies, which is all poor people, all brown people, all Democrats and anybody who ever wanted to help anybody else in your life.
Option 3: Take the check.
I don't blame her for not taking option 1. I applaud her for not taking option 2.
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jaunte Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:50:21pm |
re: #154 Stanley Sea
Maybe so; I just don't understand the thinking of celebrity fans.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:51:19pm |
Here's the thing. Bristol is quite young, and apt to make some foolish mistakes along the way, much like we did at that age.
Sarah is not "at that age", so there is a difference.
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Vicious Babushka Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:51:33pm |
re: #24 Charles
The thing about using an IFRAME to load video: an embedded IFRAME is essentially like a tab or new window loading another site. Cross-site scripting attacks are easier to stage, because to load an IFRAME's contents you have to give permission to another domain to load ... anything.
Sites that use an IFRAME are doing it because it's the easiest way to allow HTML5 video playback, but people need to be more aware of the security problems of embedded IFRAMEs.
Amazon uses IFRAME for their associate banner links, which I am sure you are well aware of.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:51:37pm |
I don't know how to feel about Bristol one way or the other honestly. I do feel she's a more mature woman than her mother. I do wish she'd or anyone for that matter in the Palin family would tell Sarah to calm down and stop with the crazy allegations. My big problem with Palin is how she's made liberals out to be these people who hate special needs children and see them as a nusance. Just offends me dearly due to my own having Asperger's Syndrome and having a great aunt who had Downs. I am also bugged by her blatant double standards. She lashed out at Rahm Emanuel and demanded he resign for something he said in private and anger while Rush Limbaugh got applauded by her as a brilliant satirist when he actually called liberals retarded.
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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:52:12pm |
Later Lizards!
Teh intertoobes are getting packed & shipped off to Zaphod only knows where! Be well.
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Targetpractice Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:55:54pm |
re: #149 sagehen
I'm not entirely convinced.
She and Levi got some good money for their "engagement" magazine cover; the day after the check cleared, they broke up again. I'm a cynic. I think it was planned that way.
To be perfectly honest, if I do see a grifter in that relationship, it's Levi. They make up and get paid to sell the exclusive, and then just as suddenly break up as soon as his old girlfriends start popping out of the woodworks? Something tells me his 15 minutes ended, he tried for an extension, and forgot about unintended consequences.
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 8:59:09pm |
re: #155 elbruce
Option 1: go back to Alaska and live in a cedarwood shack while Levi works the oilfields. Have you seen rural Alaska? It's like a really beautiful version of Oklahoma.
Option 2: Mama will take care of you, but you'll have to help her smear her enemies, which is all poor people, all brown people, all Democrats and anybody who ever wanted to help anybody else in your life.
Option 3: Take the check.
I don't blame her for not taking option 1. I applaud her for not taking option 2.
Ugh, it's her fucking life. Just like all of us.
I just see it as being a fame whorette, riding the train.
Ok, maybe everyone else would do it too. Doesn't make it appealing.
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:00:40pm |
I just saw this interview replayed on the O'Reilly show. Bill interviews Scott Fenstermaker, an attorney who represented Gitmo terrorist detainees. This lawyer is a real creep.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:01:52pm |
Ya know when I think about Bristol and Levi, it hits me that those two are my brother's age and would have graduated in the same year if they had all graduated. I think it's that reason why I find Sarah Palin getting in to a war of words with Levi so pathetic. No, I am not defending how he's acted but she should have let that happen behind closed doors instead of badmouthing her grandson's father on national tv. Does she think that when the kid's older he's not going to see or hear about how his grandmother and father went back and forth on national tv? It's already bad enough for a kid when it's done behind closed doors but having that drama brought on national tv is messed up.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:01:54pm |
re: #161 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
To be perfectly honest, if I do see a grifter in that relationship, it's Levi. They make up and get paid to sell the exclusive, and then just as suddenly break up as soon as his old girlfriends start popping out of the woodworks? Something tells me his 15 minutes ended, he tried for an extension, and forgot about unintended consequences.
That and he went off to be in a music video that Bristol took as a cheap shot at her mother. I'm actually glad they broke up so quickly. John Johnson is a toxic asshole, and he'd just hurt Bristol again.
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:02:48pm |
re: #159 HappyWarrior
I don't know how to feel about Bristol one way or the other honestly. I do feel she's a more mature woman than her mother. I do wish she'd or anyone for that matter in the Palin family would tell Sarah to calm down and stop with the crazy allegations. My big problem with Palin is how she's made liberals out to be these people who hate special needs children and see them as a nusance. Just offends me dearly due to my own having Asperger's Syndrome and having a great aunt who had Downs. I am also bugged by her blatant double standards. She lashed out at Rahm Emanuel and demanded he resign for something he said in private and anger while Rush Limbaugh got applauded by her as a brilliant satirist when he actually called liberals retarded.
Kudos to you. Really.
Sarah is a liar and a hypocrite. Anyone who has followed her has seen the contradictions and blatant lies.
She's nasty, really in my mind. No one I'd like close to me.
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b_sharp Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:03:47pm |
re: #167 Stanley Sea
Kudos to you. Really.
Sarah is a liar and a hypocrite. Anyone who has followed her has seen the contradictions and blatant lies.
She's nasty, really in my mind. No one I'd like close to me.
Sarah is a predator.
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austin_blue Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:03:47pm |
re: #159 HappyWarrior
I don't know how to feel about Bristol one way or the other honestly. I do feel she's a more mature woman than her mother. I do wish she'd or anyone for that matter in the Palin family would tell Sarah to calm down and stop with the crazy allegations. My big problem with Palin is how she's made liberals out to be these people who hate special needs children and see them as a nusance. Just offends me dearly due to my own having Asperger's Syndrome and having a great aunt who had Downs. I am also bugged by her blatant double standards. She lashed out at Rahm Emanuel and demanded he resign for something he said in private and anger while Rush Limbaugh got applauded by her as a brilliant satirist when he actually called liberals retarded.
Well, that would make her mother a mental 17 year old. Which insults intelligent 17 year olds across the length and breadth of our Nation.
Just sayin'...
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:04:51pm |
re: #169 austin_blue
Well, that would make her mother a mental 17 year old. Which insults intelligent 17 year olds across the length and breadth of our Nation.
Just sayin'...
I think she acts more like a middle schooler just sayin' :)
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:05:05pm |
When I was in school, I was bored as hell and usually didn't give a shit. My grades depended entirely on how willing I was to do the ridiculous busywork we were constantly assigned.
My Achilles Heel was math. I couldn't math my way out of a prison made of wet Charmin, and I still can't. In math classes, I was the retard who needed everything explained 500 times and then still couldn't get it.
I REALIZE the video is satire, but I don't think it's even slightly mysterious why kids would be apathetic about school. If today's classrooms are anything like the ones I remember, it's as if school is specifically designed to make learning ANYTHING as tedious and uninteresting as possible.
Take history, for example. From K through 12, the only history education I got consisted of memorizing who farted where, and when. Lots of "who" and "when", but NEVER any "why". A really great history lesson would have gone like this:
"In 1918, a teenage kid killed the leader of Austria. By the time this lesson is over, you will understand how that act resulted in Neil Armstrong becoming the first human to walk on the moon in 1969."
But no.
Oh well, never mind.
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austin_blue Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:05:56pm |
re: #168 b_sharp
Sarah is a predator.
Yes. A Saracuda. Didn't they campaign on that meme?
How did that work for them?
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:07:23pm |
re: #171 negativ
When I was in school, I was bored as hell and usually didn't give a shit. My grades depended entirely on how willing I was to do the ridiculous busywork we were constantly assigned.
My Achilles Heel was math. I couldn't math my way out of a prison made of wet Charmin, and I still can't. In math classes, I was the retard who needed everything explained 500 times and then still couldn't get it.
I REALIZE the video is satire, but I don't think it's even slightly mysterious why kids would be apathetic about school. If today's classrooms are anything like the ones I remember, it's as if school is specifically designed to make learning ANYTHING as tedious and uninteresting as possible.
Take history, for example. From K through 12, the only history education I got consisted of memorizing who farted where, and when. Lots of "who" and "when", but NEVER any "why". A really great history lesson would have gone like this:
"In 1918, a teenage kid killed the leader of Austria. By the time this lesson is over, you will understand how that act resulted in Neil Armstrong becoming the first human to walk on the moon in 1969."
But no.
Oh well, never mind.
Archduke Franz Ferdinand was assassinated in 1914, not 1918. And he was not Austria's monarch, but rather the heir to the throne.
/Sorry, accuracy junkie.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:07:23pm |
re: #137 HappyWarrior
You know, I'd gain some respect for Sarah if she supported the government helping unwed and teen mothers. But instead she plays the "socialism" card at every opportunity. Not every young mother gets to have the governor of a state for a mother. The Catholic Church and I have a long list of disagreements but at least unlike Beck and Palin they don't agree that social justice is this evil thing.
No. Sarah Palin is the political equivalent of that relative you have who always forwards those goddamned chain emails, and continues to do so no matter how many times in the past you've gently directed her to Snopes.
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austin_blue Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:08:09pm |
re: #171 negativ
When I was in school, I was bored as hell and usually didn't give a shit. My grades depended entirely on how willing I was to do the ridiculous busywork we were constantly assigned.
My Achilles Heel was math. I couldn't math my way out of a prison made of wet Charmin, and I still can't. In math classes, I was the retard who needed everything explained 500 times and then still couldn't get it.
I REALIZE the video is satire, but I don't think it's even slightly mysterious why kids would be apathetic about school. If today's classrooms are anything like the ones I remember, it's as if school is specifically designed to make learning ANYTHING as tedious and uninteresting as possible.
Take history, for example. From K through 12, the only history education I got consisted of memorizing who farted where, and when. Lots of "who" and "when", but NEVER any "why". A really great history lesson would have gone like this:
"In 1918, a teenage kid killed the leader of Austria. By the time this lesson is over, you will understand how that act resulted in Neil Armstrong becoming the first human to walk on the moon in 1969."
But no.
Oh well, never mind.
Wow. Your ADD is really showing.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:08:56pm |
re: #173 Dark_Falcon
Archduke Franz Ferdinand was assassinated in 1914, not 1918. And he was not Austria's monarch, but rather the heir to the throne.
/Sorry, accuracy junkie.
One day very soon I'm going to find you and make you watch the death of everything you love.
(maybe)
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:10:02pm |
re: #165 HappyWarrior
Ya know when I think about Bristol and Levi, it hits me that those two are my brother's age and would have graduated in the same year if they had all graduated. I think it's that reason why I find Sarah Palin getting in to a war of words with Levi so pathetic. No, I am not defending how he's acted but she should have let that happen behind closed doors instead of badmouthing her grandson's father on national tv. Does she think that when the kid's older he's not going to see or hear about how his grandmother and father went back and forth on national tv? It's already bad enough for a kid when it's done behind closed doors but having that drama brought on national tv is messed up.
Spread the fault around. Bristol has made money on a campaign, and in magazines, about how her son was a accident.
Mom! You got rich over me? Being a bad thing?
(oh and Grandma and Dad fought?)
The whole thing is Jerry Springer. gah
Hello.
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abolitionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:10:04pm |
re: #171 negativ
When I was in school, I was bored as hell and usually didn't give a shit. My grades depended entirely on how willing I was to do the ridiculous busywork we were constantly assigned.
My Achilles Heel was math. I couldn't math my way out of a prison made of wet Charmin, and I still can't. In math classes, I was the retard who needed everything explained 500 times and then still couldn't get it.
I REALIZE the video is satire, but I don't think it's even slightly mysterious why kids would be apathetic about school. If today's classrooms are anything like the ones I remember, it's as if school is specifically designed to make learning ANYTHING as tedious and uninteresting as possible.
Take history, for example. From K through 12, the only history education I got consisted of memorizing who farted where, and when. Lots of "who" and "when", but NEVER any "why". A really great history lesson would have gone like this:
"In 1918, a teenage kid killed the leader of Austria. By the time this lesson is over, you will understand how that act resulted in Neil Armstrong becoming the first human to walk on the moon in 1969."
But no.
Oh well, never mind.
It's a miracle you got thru it.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:10:17pm |
re: #174 negativ
No. Sarah Palin is the political equivalent of that relative you have who always forwards those goddamned chain emails, and continues to do so no matter how many times in the past you've gently directed her to Snopes.
I have one of those. And no, they do not have my email addy.
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:10:45pm |
re: #174 negativ
No. Sarah Palin is the political equivalent of that relative you have who always forwards those goddamned chain emails, and continues to do so no matter how many times in the past you've gently directed her to Snopes.
She WON snopes! Well, it was politifact's pant's on fire award.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:11:01pm |
re: #176 negativ
One day very soon I'm going to find you and make you watch the death of everything you love.
(maybe)
If you ever try that, you'll only be sorry you tried for a short time. After that short time you'll be at the bottom of Lake Michigan.
/kidding
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webevintage Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:12:28pm |
re: #171 negativ
My Achilles Heel was math. I couldn't math my way out of a prison made of wet Charmin, and I still can't. In math classes, I was the retard who needed everything explained 500 times and then still couldn't get it.
Once they started replacing numbers with letters I was lost...
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Targetpractice Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:13:13pm |
re: #166 Dark_Falcon
That and he went off to be in a music video that Bristol took as a cheap shot at her mother. I'm actually glad they broke up so quickly. John Johnson is a toxic asshole, and he'd just hurt Bristol again.
Yeah, IMHO, this guy is a whore in more ways than one. Not only does he seem to have a tendency to let his dick wander, but he apparently doesn't see anything wrong in badmouthing future in-laws for fun and profit. I consider Bristol fortunate to have come to her senses long enough to realize what a scumbag this guy is before they officially tied the knot. The more distance she puts between Levi and their son, the better.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:13:21pm |
re: #181 Stanley Sea
Let us not forget, Snopes is a leftist propogonad site.
/
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:14:30pm |
re: #180 jaunte
Tell him about the Black Hand part!
Actually, that's the interesting part: A lone gunman (Gavrilo Princip) killed the Archduke, but it was very quickly clear that he had been part of the same conspiracy that had made another, unsuccessful attack on the Archduke earlier that same day. It's one those few assassinations where there really was a conspiracy.
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Targetpractice Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:14:45pm |
re: #171 negativ
When I was in school, I was bored as hell and usually didn't give a shit. My grades depended entirely on how willing I was to do the ridiculous busywork we were constantly assigned.
My Achilles Heel was math. I couldn't math my way out of a prison made of wet Charmin, and I still can't. In math classes, I was the retard who needed everything explained 500 times and then still couldn't get it.
I REALIZE the video is satire, but I don't think it's even slightly mysterious why kids would be apathetic about school. If today's classrooms are anything like the ones I remember, it's as if school is specifically designed to make learning ANYTHING as tedious and uninteresting as possible.
Take history, for example. From K through 12, the only history education I got consisted of memorizing who farted where, and when. Lots of "who" and "when", but NEVER any "why". A really great history lesson would have gone like this:
"In 1918, a teenage kid killed the leader of Austria. By the time this lesson is over, you will understand how that act resulted in Neil Armstrong becoming the first human to walk on the moon in 1969."
But no.
Oh well, never mind.
...are you my long-lost twin?
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Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:15:10pm |
re: #134 elbruce
I recently saw an ad she did which started out "what if I didn't come from a famous family?" And went from there with her makeup and furniture disappearing until she ends up the picture of a destitute single teen mom.
Lucky Bristol, to be the daughter of a rich, famous hypocrite.
I am not moved by this.
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:15:17pm |
re: #185 Slumbering Behemoth
Let us not forget, Snopes is a leftist propogonad site.
/
Soros, right? I missed that one on the huge map I have.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:15:48pm |
re: #182 Dark_Falcon
If you ever try that, you'll only be sorry you tried for a short time. After that short time you'll be at the bottom of Lake Michigan.
/kidding
It will be funny to watch you try to arrange that when you've got a half-dozen Chinese bootleg Kermit the Frog puppets stapled to your upper lip, and a corrupt deputy sheriff threatening to bring out the Gimp.
While Madonna's "La Isla Bonia" plays backwards at Black Sabbath volume.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:17:13pm |
re: #186 Dark_Falcon
Actually, that's the interesting part: A lone gunman (Gavrilo Princip) killed the Archduke, but it was very quickly clear that he had been part of the same conspiracy that had made another, unsuccessful attack on the Archduke earlier that same day. It's one those few assassinations where there really was a conspiracy.
Story I heard was that the first attempt on the archduke failed but the driver got lost in the streets of Sarajevo and by sheer chance passed by Princip who fired away in to history. Think he was having a sandwich too when it happened. Related but does anyone know of any good general histories of the first world war? Would love to read one since my reading on the subject is mostly fictional (Remarque and Hemingway).
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:18:40pm |
re: #189 Stanley Sea
Soros, right? I missed that one on the huge map I have.
Honestly, I have no idea. I just recall someone here back in the day, during the '08 campaign I think, making that claim. So funny.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:18:49pm |
re: #190 negativ
It will be funny to watch you try to arrange that when you've got a half-dozen Chinese bootleg Kermit the Frog puppets stapled to your upper lip, and a corrupt deputy sheriff threatening to bring out the Gimp.
While Madonna's "La Isla Bonia" plays backwards at Black Sabbath volume.
I'm the one who lives in Cook County, remember? The Deputy sheriff would take your money, but then he'd turn on you since he was already on my payroll. MUWAHAHAHA!
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jaunte Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:19:43pm |
re: #191 HappyWarrior
This one is particularly naval in focus, but I really enjoyed Robert Massie's Dreadnought.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:20:27pm |
Bristle Palin, along with Tromp, Truck, Trick, Tramp, and Tractor, plus whatever other kidz the Sawah Wrapper may plop into the world, will be most incredibly lucky if any one of them can escape from the fantasy "conservative" universe that Pawin has constructed around herself to give her brainless existence meaning.
And I mean that as a devout wish for the best possible outcome.
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abolitionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:20:56pm |
re: #190 negativ
It will be funny to watch you try to arrange that when you've got a half-dozen Chinese bootleg Kermit the Frog puppets stapled to your upper lip, and a corrupt deputy sheriff threatening to bring out the Gimp.
While Madonna's "La Isla Bonia" plays backwards at Black Sabbath volume.
Ok, you've convinced me about the problems with math.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:21:25pm |
re: #194 jaunte
This one is particularly naval in focus, but I really enjoyed Robert Massie's Dreadnought.
Excellent, thanks. I've been fascinated by the first world war and its impact on modern history since I learned about Ho Chi Minh being in Paris during the Versailes Conference.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:21:31pm |
re: #190 negativ
It will be funny to watch you try to arrange that when you've got a half-dozen Chinese bootleg Kermit the Frog puppets stapled to your upper lip, and a corrupt deputy sheriff threatening to bring out the Gimp.
While Madonna's "La Isla Bonia" plays backwards at Black Sabbath volume.
You suck at this game. If you're gonna threaten DF with elaborate torture, you supposed to threaten him with something he wouldn't like.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:21:32pm |
re: #191 HappyWarrior
Story I heard was that the first attempt on the archduke failed but the driver got lost in the streets of Sarajevo and by sheer chance passed by Princip who fired away in to history. Think he was having a sandwich too when it happened. Related but does anyone know of any good general histories of the first world war? Would love to read one since my reading on the subject is mostly fictional (Remarque and Hemingway).
Try The First World War by John Keegan. He's an excellent historian and his account gives a very good feel not only for what happened and why but also a sense of the people involved.
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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:22:22pm |
re: #191 HappyWarrior
The First World War by John Keegan is the best basic text on the whole subject.
The Guns of August by Barbara Tuchmann is still the best version on how the mess began.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:22:23pm |
re: #193 Dark_Falcon
I'm the one who lives in Cook County, remember? The Deputy sheriff would take your money, but then he'd turn on you since he was already on my payroll. MUWAHAHAHA!
Wow, yeah. I guess you're right. I'm sorry about your cornhole. =(
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Targetpractice Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:22:40pm |
re: #191 HappyWarrior
Story I heard was that the first attempt on the archduke failed but the driver got lost in the streets of Sarajevo and by sheer chance passed by Princip who fired away in to history. Think he was having a sandwich too when it happened. Related but does anyone know of any good general histories of the first world war? Would love to read one since my reading on the subject is mostly fictional (Remarque and Hemingway).
The first attempt did fail, while the rest were spoiled by heavy crowds and the high speed of the car. Princip had actually given up and was eating at a local restaurant when Ferdinand's car came by after the driver got lost taking him to the hospital to visit the victims of the first attempt. Princip saw the opportunity, pistol-whipped a pedestrian out of the way, and fired two shots into the car, killing both the Archduke and his wife Sofie.
Funny how things work out, huh?
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Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:22:59pm |
re: #191 HappyWarrior
Story I heard was that the first attempt on the archduke failed but the driver got lost in the streets of Sarajevo and by sheer chance passed by Princip who fired away in to history. Think he was having a sandwich too when it happened. Related but does anyone know of any good general histories of the first world war? Would love to read one since my reading on the subject is mostly fictional (Remarque and Hemingway).
Hemingway and Remarque are not, strictly speaking, fiction.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:23:22pm |
re: #194 jaunte
This one is particularly naval in focus, but I really enjoyed Robert Massie's Dreadnought.
That's a good one, but it stops at the outbreak of war. Massie's follow-on covers WWI at sea. It's called Castles of Steel. I own a copy and its very good.
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palomino Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:23:27pm |
re: #195 Cato the Elder
Bristle Palin, along with Tromp, Truck, Trick, Tramp, and Tractor, plus whatever other kidz the Sawah Wrapper may plop into the world, will be most incredibly lucky if any one of them can escape from the fantasy "conservative" universe that Pawin has constructed around herself to give her brainless existence meaning.
And I mean that as a devout wish for the best possible outcome.
That's some funny shit.
But why can't you just love America as much as Sister Sarah?
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jaunte Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:23:45pm |
re: #197 HappyWarrior
The Amazon reviews seem to favor this book:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:26:56pm |
Thanks everyone for the links. I've spent a lot of time reading about WWII but not as much about WWI. Finally found a Spanish Civil War history by Anthony Beevor that looks interesting as well. Taking a German history class this semester too which should help as well.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:27:23pm |
re: #207 jaunte
The Amazon reviews seem to favor this book:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
Seriously?
One five-star, one one-star review.
Not exactly a resounding accolade from readers, there.
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jaunte Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:28:06pm |
re: #209 Cato the Elder
Just looking at comparisons to Massie's book.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:28:07pm |
re: #166 Dark_Falcon
That and he went off to be in a music video that Bristol took as a cheap shot at her mother. I'm actually glad they broke up so quickly. John Johnson is a toxic asshole, and he'd just hurt Bristol again.
She can do better. Lots, lots better.
They sometimes have nice boys at COLLEGE.
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jaunte Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:29:22pm |
re: #209 Cato the Elder
In the Massie review from Library Journal: "Paul Kennedy's equally massive The Rise of the Anglo-German Antagonism (Allen & Unwin, 1980) is no less well written and provides a much more comprehensive account."
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:30:34pm |
re: #211 SanFranciscoZionist
She can do better. Lots, lots better.
They sometimes have nice boys at COLLEGE.
True. Hopefully, she's now made enough money to pay for higher education. I hope she has and I hope she goes to a university, succeeds therein and has a long and happy life far away from politics.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:31:02pm |
I think I've taken a European history class every semester since last summer. Started out with some Irish history, then Russian, then Eastern European, and now I'm doing German. May end up doing British or French to conclude it all. Just love European history.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:31:24pm |
re: #198 Slumbering Behemoth
You suck at this game. If you're gonna threaten DF with elaborate torture, you supposed to threaten him with something he wouldn't like.
Last time I was playing for score, I was taking a certain person to task for her self-proclaimed triumph of having taken an action which she had openly admitted was specifically intended to emotionally damage her kid. She thereafter had the unmitigated audacity to come here and boo-hoo and lament about how terrible she felt about having done so, and how she knew it was wrong. And she was treated like a hero for it.
For my TERRIBLE CRIME of pointing out what a desperately fucked-up situation that represented, ***I*** was turned into the villain.
BUT!
It's the internet. Not serious business.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:32:16pm |
re: #211 SanFranciscoZionist
She can do better. Lots, lots better.
They sometimes have nice boys at COLLEGE.
But Bristle has no need of such things; her momz is rich and famous enough to drag the brainless daughter around and have her snot out little Pawinisms like "you're just jealous" at former Alaskan constituents who think (as I do) that the entire family is nothing but a bunch of jumped-up rednecks with a teevee franchise.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:32:17pm |
re: #186 Dark_Falcon
Actually, that's the interesting part: A lone gunman (Gavrilo Princip) killed the Archduke, but it was very quickly clear that he had been part of the same conspiracy that had made another, unsuccessful attack on the Archduke earlier that same day. It's one those few assassinations where there really was a conspiracy.
Vaguely remembering this. Hadn't they actually scattered assassins down the route, hoping someone would get a chance to take a shot?
(I discovered the hard way that there is a BAND called Franz Ferdinand.)
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:32:48pm |
re: #213 Dark_Falcon
True. Hopefully, she's now made enough money to pay for higher education. I hope she has and I hope she goes to a university, succeeds therein and has a long and happy life far away from politics.
DF - she won't.
I'll betcha money.
It's a really sad, accepted, free market result.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:33:57pm |
re: #215 negativ
Wow, I was just making a funny. I wasn't trying to provoke an out pour of emotion. But since we're here, I charge $45/hr to listen, one hour minimum.
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:34:45pm |
re: #197 HappyWarrior
Excellent, thanks. I've been fascinated by the first world war and its impact on modern history since I learned about Ho Chi Minh being in Paris during the Versailes Conference.
There's a wonderful alternate-WWI-history novel in which the Confederacy won the Civil War, and has now entered WWI while the U.S.A. under President Bryan tries to stall.
Ho Chi Minh gets a walk-on, and is mistaken for Native American by the Cherokee protagonist.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:36:19pm |
People who lift up their children as little avatars of themselves should oughta remember that "kid" spelled backwards plus a "C" is "dick".
Generally speaking, I don't like little humans any better than I do their ugly adult progenitors.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:36:59pm |
re: #217 SanFranciscoZionist
Vaguely remembering this. Hadn't they actually scattered assassins down the route, hoping someone would get a chance to take a shot?
(I discovered the hard way that there is a BAND called Franz Ferdinand.)
Yes, you're right.
re: #202 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
The first attempt did fail, while the rest were spoiled by heavy crowds and the high speed of the car. Princip had actually given up and was eating at a local restaurant when Ferdinand's car came by after the driver got lost taking him to the hospital to visit the victims of the first attempt. Princip saw the opportunity, pistol-whipped a pedestrian out of the way, and fired two shots into the car, killing both the Archduke and his wife Sofie.
Funny how things work out, huh?
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Targetpractice Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:37:00pm |
re: #220 SanFranciscoZionist
There's a wonderful alternate-WWI-history novel in which the Confederacy won the Civil War, and has now entered WWI while the U.S.A. under President Bryan tries to stall.
Ho Chi Minh gets a walk-on, and is mistaken for Native American by the Cherokee protagonist.
Harry Turtledove?
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:37:49pm |
The sad part is I think Bristol Palin is probably smarter than Meagan McCain. She just has handlers keeping her quiet.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:37:50pm |
re: #219 Slumbering Behemoth
Wow, I was just making a funny. I wasn't trying to provoke an out pour of emotion. But since we're here, I charge $45/hr to listen, one hour minimum.
/
To catch up on history you might have missed, send a SASE to:
Jot
P.O. Box 4432
Pueblo, Co 81006
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austin_blue Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:38:20pm |
Adios, Lizards. Play nice, sleep well.
Oh, and by the way, Ken Mehlman has come out and said he's gay after running the Bush 2004 campaign that sought to bring out every anti-fag bigot in the country to vote.
I wonder what made Ken realize that he *might* be gay?
Perhaps it was the fact that he had been sucking cock for 25 years had something to do with it?
Oh, and let's not go into the personal life of the still unmarried Karl Rove.
Just sayin'!!
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:39:10pm |
re: #222 Dark_Falcon
For your next "Stay on target!" moment.
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jaunte Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:39:33pm |
I wonder what percentage of Amazon's business is done with people who have had more than three drinks.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:40:26pm |
re: #225 negativ
*ahem*
Posts that contain phone numbers, street addresses, email addresses or other personal information will also be deleted, as will posts that consist only of a variation on the word, "First!"
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Velvet Elvis Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:40:47pm |
re: #228 jaunte
I wonder what percentage of Amazon's business is done with people who have had more than three drinks.
[Link: www.amazon.com...]
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jaunte Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:41:29pm |
re: #230 Conservative Moonbat
Hey, I ordered that last weekend.
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:42:23pm |
re: #221 Cato the Elder
Cato, you tolerate me, but sometimes I feel glee from your posts. Take it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:43:08pm |
re: #223 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Harry Turtledove?
No, it's called "The Wild Blue and the Gray" by William Sanders. Less military than Turtledove, and much more lighthearted. It's a kitchen sink novel. William Faulkner is in it. Jelly Roll Morton is in it. Mata Hari gets a mention. Hitler shows up. Patton is referenced. Hell, Scarlett O'Hara's daughter is running a whorehouse in Paris.
Cool book. I also highly recommend an out-of-print anthology called "The Fantastic Civil War" which was Civil War themed sci-fi and fantasy. Some really good stories.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:43:09pm |
re: #191 HappyWarrior
Related but does anyone know of any good general histories of the first world war? Would love to read one since my reading on the subject is mostly fictional (Remarque and Hemingway).
Start with Barbara Tuchman's "The Proud Tower", which gives the background story. Proceed to "The Guns of August", which tells how, once the interlocking system of alliances took hold, there was no going back.
When you're done with those two books, come back and see me again.
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:43:41pm |
re: #224 Conservative Moonbat
The sad part is I think Bristol Palin is probably smarter than Meagan McCain. She just has handlers keeping her quiet.
GIVE ME A BREAK.
Please, spell out your comparison. I dare you.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:45:59pm |
re: #234 Cato the Elder
Start with Barbara Tuchman's "The Proud Tower", which gives the background story. Proceed to "The Guns of August", which tells how, once the interlocking system of alliances took hold, there was no going back.
When you're done with those two books, come back and see me again.
Okay, will look for both of those. The alliances are very interesting to me. I imagine that Proud Tower explains why the British and French after centuries of being rivals became rivals in the later part of the 19th century, yes?
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:48:01pm |
Martin Ernest Dannenberg, U.S. soldier who found copy of Nuremberg Laws, dies at 94
Martin Ernest Dannenberg, who as a young World War II Army sergeant discovered a copy of the anti-Semitic Nuremberg Laws, one of Nazi Germany's most infamous documents, died Aug. 18 in his sleep at his home in Guilford, Md. He was 94.
Dannenberg, who was a special agent in charge of an Army counterintelligence team, told The Baltimore Sun in 1999 about the moment on April 28, 1945, when he realized the significance of the documents he had found in a small-town bank in Eichstatt, Germany.
What he held was a rather ordinary brown manila envelope sealed with red wax embossed with swastikas.
"I had a most peculiar feeling when I had this in my hand, that I should be the one who should uncover this," Dannenberg said. "Because here is this thing that (begins) the persecution of the Jews. And a Jewish person has found it."
Dannenberg carefully slit the top of the envelope and withdrew the typescript documents. The first thing he saw was Adolf Hitler's signature.
Dannenberg was accompanied by Frank Perls - a U.S. military translator, the son of Jewish art dealers in Berlin and a refugee from Nazi Germany.
He said that tears filled Perls' eyes when both men realized the historic implications of the document they had discovered and that it was two Jews who had found them.
A few days earlier, Dannenberg had experienced firsthand at the Dachau concentration camp the inhumane and cruel consequences of what the Nuremberg Laws had set in motion, as he gazed at the emaciated bodies, with their wide-open, lifeless eyes and hanging jaws, stacked like so many railroad ties.
With Hitler's signature in September 1935, the Nuremberg Laws legislation formally legalized anti-Semitism and persecution of the Jews.
"Their importance," Dannenberg said in 1999, "was that this was the ticket, you might say, for the 'legal' persecution of the Jews, which led to 'Crystal Night,' which led up to the concentration camps and the 'Final Solution.' "
Hitler unveiled the content of the Nuremberg Laws at the annual Nazi Party Congress rally in Nuremberg in September 1935.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:48:39pm |
OT: I just posted a page regarding some interesting parallels between current events and the Parisian Sanhedrin convoked in 1806, as pointed out by a female rabbi.
Jewess.
Zionist.
American.That's me. Just so I cannot be accused of anything later...
On May 30, 1806, by Imperial and Royal Decree of Emperor Napoleon I, the Parisian Sanhedrin was convoked.
But wait, you say. How could the Sanhedrin, which was formally disbanded in 358 CE, be reconstituted by a non-Jewish Emperor of France?
It couldn't.
Napoleon first assembled a group of 112 prominent citizens. Known as the "Assembly of Jewish Notables," these gentlemen we handpicked by representatives of the French and Italian governments. Hm...sounds just a little suspicious. And if it doesn't sound kosher, it probably isn't. Once the "Assembly" had been given a list of twelve questions and had crafted their response, the "Great Sanhedrin" was summoned in order to ratify the answers. A good move on the part of Napoleon. By using an ancient symbol of Jewish authority, it lent an air of validity to the undertaking as well as ingratiate the Emperor to the local Jewish community. Moreover, it raised Messianic hopes in a people who were seeking salvation from (clearly) unlikely sources.
The questions in question:
[...]
In other words, if we emancipate these Jews and allow them to become French citizens, are we risking a fifth column? Will they be Frenchmen? Or just a bunch of Hebrews content to maintain their oddities and, *gasp,* pollute the French way of life?
Hadn't really given this much thought. Until this morning when I heard a story on the BBC NewsHour and one single sentence drew my attention.
"Do they follow Shari'a law or US Constitution law?"
Which sounded eerily familiar. Except that the "they" have morphed from Jews to Muslims.
[...]
Sounds like something worth finding out more about.
Speaking of, does anyone know if Jewish Literacy: The Most Important Things to Know About the Jewish Religion, Its People, and Its History is a good book? The table of contents looks pretty comprehensive, and it has good reviews
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:48:56pm |
re: #234 Cato the Elder
Start with Barbara Tuchman's "The Proud Tower", which gives the background story. Proceed to "The Guns of August", which tells how, once the interlocking system of alliances took hold, there was no going back.
When you're done with those two books, come back and see me again.
I made all my high school students take on the role of countries. Then we demonstrated how the alliances created invariable beef.
For kids who were fond of explaining how gang affiliations were absolutely vital, and you had to 'represent' or people would know you were weak, they were impossibly sensible and high-minded when it came to dead European ententes.
"Well, why didn't they tell them they'd better make peace, 'cause they were on their own?"
"That's stupid. Just because you signed a treaty isn't a reason to get a lot of people killed in a war that doesn't have anything to do with you."
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:49:28pm |
re: #229 Slumbering Behemoth
*ahem*
That might actually be the most generic address in the entire United States.
There was a time during the late 1970s, stretching into the early 1980s, wherein Pueblo, CO. was the epicenter of PAMPHLET PUBLISHING. If you had a tri-fold manifesto that you wanted to get out there, chances were good that someone in Pueblo could fix you up.
Also around that time, there were several somewhat bizarre Christian television shows. "Jot" is the main one I can remember, but there were many others. The one and only thing they had in common was that if you sent a Self-Addressed Stamped Envelope, you could expect to receive a PERSONALIZED reply.
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Targetpractice Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:49:36pm |
re: #233 SanFranciscoZionist
No, it's called "The Wild Blue and the Gray" by William Sanders. Less military than Turtledove, and much more lighthearted. It's a kitchen sink novel. William Faulkner is in it. Jelly Roll Morton is in it. Mata Hari gets a mention. Hitler shows up. Patton is referenced. Hell, Scarlett O'Hara's daughter is running a whorehouse in Paris.
Cool book. I also highly recommend an out-of-print anthology called "The Fantastic Civil War" which was Civil War themed sci-fi and fantasy. Some really good stories.
I'll have to look for it at B&N next time I'm in. Being a big history buff, especially military history, I get a lot of enjoyment out of alternate history books and short stories. Turtledove's stuff, particularly his short stories, have been interesting if a bit predictable.
One author I stumbled upon back a few years ago is John Birmingham, an Australian author who's dabbled in recent years in "What if?" books. I got hooked on his Axis of Time trilogy, which involves a 21st century international naval taskforce getting displaced in time and the bulk of it ending up in the middle of Task Force 16 on its way to the Battle of Midway.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:50:49pm |
re: #238 CuriousLurker
OT: I just posted a page regarding some interesting parallels between current events and the Parisian Sanhedrin convoked in 1806, as pointed out by a female rabbi.
Sounds like something worth finding out more about.
Speaking of, does anyone know if Jewish Literacy: The Most Important Things to Know About the Jewish Religion, Its People, and Its History is a good book? The table of contents looks pretty comprehensive, and it has good reviews
That's Telushkin's book, and yes, it's a very good overview read. Recommend, with the proviso that I haven't read it since I was a teenager, but everyone recommends it.
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:50:51pm |
re: #237 NJDhockeyfan
Godspeed to him. He served his nation honorably and well. May our defenders always be as smart and as observant as he.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:54:28pm |
Thanks, I think I'll order it then as it seems to have been recently updated.
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SanFranciscoZionist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:55:25pm |
re: #241 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I'll have to look for it at B&N next time I'm in. Being a big history buff, especially military history, I get a lot of enjoyment out of alternate history books and short stories. Turtledove's stuff, particularly his short stories, have been interesting if a bit predictable.
One author I stumbled upon back a few years ago is John Birmingham, an Australian author who's dabbled in recent years in "What if?" books. I got hooked on his Axis of Time trilogy, which involves a 21st century international naval taskforce getting displaced in time and the bulk of it ending up in the middle of Task Force 16 on its way to the Battle of Midway.
One really interesting story from the anthology follows an Army unit from the 1950s who end up going back in time while on a training mission in Virginia. They end up in a position to possibly make history come out correctly by supporting Union troops with their formidable futuristic firepower. History suggests they already did so, and they are the U.S. Army, but most of them are Southerners, and many know the names of the ancestors fighting on the other side.
Creepy. Very well done.
(I also cherish the moment when they first encounter the Confederate cavalry and yell, "OK, MGM, or whoever you are, get out of the way. This is the U.S. Army." They are surprised when the Hollywood dudes open fire.)
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Dark_Falcon Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:56:10pm |
I'm going to head to bed. Sleep well, all.
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Kragar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:57:55pm |
Messed around with my camera some and got a few pics of my work posted. I'll try again later, but if anyone is interested, you can see some of them here
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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elbruce Thu, Aug 26, 2010 9:59:27pm |
re: #172 austin_blue
Yes. A Saracuda. Didn't they campaign on that meme??
Then she was a pit bull.
Then she was a "mama grizzly."
Frankly, she's going through likening herself to so many vicious animal analogies, she's going to be out of them in a decade, after running through "predatory weasel" and "rabid Tasmanian devil."
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Kragar Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:00:12pm |
re: #248 elbruce
Then she was a pit bull.
Then she was a "mama grizzly."
Frankly, she's going through likening herself to so many vicious animal analogies, she's going to be out of them in a decade, after running through "predatory weasel" and "rabid Tasmanian devil."
Queen Lemming
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blueraven Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:00:53pm |
re: #209 Cato the Elder
Seriously?
One five-star, one one-star review.
Not exactly a resounding accolade from readers, there.
That's not really fair. The one star review is all about bitching the vendor out. Has nothing at all to do with the book. Why does Amazon allow that?
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elbruce Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:02:00pm |
re: #224 Conservative Moonbat
The sad part is I think Bristol Palin is probably smarter than Meagan McCain. She just has handlers keeping her quiet.
Meghan McCain is clearly smarter. But both her and Bristol strike me as good people, and possibly the hope of centrist conservatism to come back someday in the future.
Just not too soon... ; )
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:02:08pm |
re: #248 elbruce
Then she was a pit bull.
Then she was a "mama grizzly."
Frankly, she's going through likening herself to so many vicious animal analogies, she's going to be out of them in a decade, after running through "predatory weasel" and "rabid Tasmanian devil."
It's pretty silly isn't it? She loves using gun metaphors too like "reload" "take aim". Her perjoative I suppose but I think it makes her look ridiculous.
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sagehen Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:06:34pm |
re: #248 elbruce
Then she was a pit bull.
Then she was a "mama grizzly."
Frankly, she's going through likening herself to so many vicious animal analogies, she's going to be out of them in a decade, after running through "predatory weasel" and "rabid Tasmanian devil."
Snake.
Rat.
Swine.
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palomino Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:06:56pm |
re: #251 elbruce
Meghan McCain is clearly smarter. But both her and Bristol strike me as good people, and possibly the hope of centrist conservatism to come back someday in the future.
Just not too soon... ; )
Has Bristol done anything to make you think she's the "hope of centrist conservatism?"
She's seems nothing more than a tabloid darling, with her engagements and un-engagements. Next appearance: Dancing with the Stars.
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elbruce Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:07:16pm |
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Shiplord Kirel Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:12:24pm |
I never did get the Flash video to play on the Koran burning string. I can't believe I've had this machine for five months without realizing that it didn't have Flash Player.
I went to the Adobe website to download the player and found that it would not download or install at all. I went to their trouble-shooting page, where they told me to use the "Edit Option" button on Firefox to start the download. That was no help since my version of Firefox has no such option. Next, I went to Firefox help, where they have a whole section devoted to the eccentricities of Adobe software. There I learned that Adobe's instructions are YEARS out of date, and I got the real instructions. From there, I had to download the installer, re-start, and use the Windows compatibility mode to change Firefox to XP mode. It still doesn't work. Another trip to Adobe revealed that Flash player does not work on 64 bit browsers, and they suggested that I download an older 32 bit version of Firefox and use it instead.
Screw you, Adobe, try updating your junk once in a while.
I also ended up installing Adobe's super-intrusive and annoying download manager, which will have to uninstalled, no doubt at considerable effort. I hope it is easier to get rid of than Monopolosoft's bundled version of Word, however. This expired after 90 days and took 3 specialized downloads to finally tear out of my machine (Monopolosoft's own program manager will not even begin to remove it of course).
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:14:05pm |
OT
Excellent Project Runway.
Don't know who's "out" yet.
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elbruce Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:15:02pm |
re: #254 palomino
Has Bristol done anything to make you think she's the "hope of centrist conservatism?"
She's seems nothing more than a tabloid darling, with her engagements and un-engagements. Next appearance: Dancing with the Stars.
She could have done a lot better hitching her wagon to her mom. Sarah could have gladly used Bristol as a bludgeon against whatever enemies she had at the moment. And Sarah's raking in enough cash to take care of her in fine style.
Instead, the few things I've seen Bristol in have been suprisingly sensitive (from this liberal's view) of the poor and those who have had the misfortune to have made bad choices. She gets into PSA ads without getting into "blame the victim" ads. She avoids the same kinds of meanness that I would expect from a kid of Sarahs', or from any Republican Princess.
The same goes for Meghan McCain. Except that she early on tried for a strong assertion of rational centrism in the name of conservatism and was pretty much pushed to the outside of politics for it.
I should have problems with these purported Princesses of the right wing. I have no problems with either. Meghan shows brains. Bristol shows heart. Between the two of them, they represent all that is lacking in the current conservative movement, as I see it.
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elbruce Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:16:12pm |
re: #257 Stanley Sea
OT
Excellent Project Runway.
Don't know who's "out" yet.
FUCK! I'm going to have to wait until they put it online now... Grr.
(the only reality TV show where people are actually kept in based on talent and ability, rather than random bullshit)
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:19:09pm |
re: #254 palomino
Has Bristol done anything to make you think she's the "hope of centrist conservatism?"
She's seems nothing more than a tabloid darling, with her engagements and un-engagements. Next appearance: Dancing with the Stars.
Agreeeeee
She's the daughter of a politico who doesn't stay in the background.
OMG, Bristol Palin? Has anyone heard her talk? She bought that HS Diploma.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:20:13pm |
re: #236 HappyWarrior
Okay, will look for both of those. The alliances are very interesting to me. I imagine that Proud Tower explains why the British and French after centuries of being rivals became rivals in the later part of the 19th century, yes?
Both books were required basic reading in order to take AP History at my high school.
"The Proud Tower" gives a brief (in my world, 500 pages is brief), cogent explanation of what led up to WWI. "The Guns of August" tells the tale of what happened when the proud tower fell.
Since you, like I, seem to enjoy fiction, may I recommend certain chapters of "Tender Is the Night" as a pertinent précis of what the war did to people's minds who came along in the next generation?
Sample:
"This western-front business couldn't be done again, not for a long time. The young men think they could do it, but they couldn't. They could fight the first Marne again but not this. This took religion and years of plenty and tremendous sureties and the exact relation that existed between the classes. The Russians and Italians weren't any good on the front. You had to have a whole-souled sentimental equipment going back further than you could remember. You had to remember Christmas, and postcards of the Crown Prince and his fiancée, and little cafés in Valence and beer gardens in Unter den Linden and weddings at the mairie, and going to the Derby, and your grandfather's whiskers."
"General Grant invented this kind of battle at Petersburg in sixty-five."
"No, he didn't - he just invented mass butchery. This kind of battle was invented by Lewis Carroll and Jules Verne and whoever wrote Undine, and country deacons bowling and marraines in Marseilles and girls seduced in the back lanes of Württemberg and Wesphalia. Why, this was a love battle - there was a century of middle-class love spent here. This was the last love battle. [...] All my beautiful lovely safe world blew itself up here with a great gust of high explosive love."
Copied out, just for you, by hand because I couldn't find it on the internet.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:20:35pm |
re: #258 elbruce
She could have done a lot better hitching her wagon to her mom. Sarah could have gladly used Bristol as a bludgeon against whatever enemies she had at the moment. And Sarah's raking in enough cash to take care of her in fine style.
Instead, the few things I've seen Bristol in have been suprisingly sensitive (from this liberal's view) of the poor and those who have had the misfortune to have made bad choices. She gets into PSA ads without getting into "blame the victim" ads. She avoids the same kinds of meanness that I would expect from a kid of Sarahs', or from any Republican Princess.
The same goes for Meghan McCain. Except that she early on tried for a strong assertion of rational centrism in the name of conservatism and was pretty much pushed to the outside of politics for it.
I should have problems with these purported Princesses of the right wing. I have no problems with either. Meghan shows brains. Bristol shows heart. Between the two of them, they represent all that is lacking in the current conservative movement, as I see it.
Should add that Jenna Bush seems like a nice person as well. I had no use for her old man politically but Jenna's book on a young girl with AIDS and her promotion of the fight to combat AIDS gained her a lot of respect in my book. Wouldn't have voted for her dad had I been old enough in 2004 but she's not like a Paris Hilton at all.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:22:36pm |
re: #261 Cato the Elder
Both books were required basic reading in order to take AP History at my high school.
"The Proud Tower" gives a brief (in my world, 500 pages is brief), cogent explanation of what led up to WWI. "The Guns of August" tells the tale of what happened when the proud tower fell.
Since you, like I, seem to enjoy fiction, may I recommend certain chapters of "Tender Is the Night" as a pertinent précis of what the war did to people's minds who came along in the next generation?
Sample:
"This western-front business couldn't be done again, not for a long time. The young men think they could do it, but they couldn't. They could fight the first Marne again but not this. This took religion and years of plenty and tremendous sureties and the exact relation that existed between the classes. The Russians and Italians weren't any good on the front. You had to have a whole-souled sentimental equipment going back further than you could remember. You had to remember Christmas, and postcards of the Crown Prince and his fiancée, and little cafés in Valence and beer gardens in Unter den Linden and weddings at the mairie, and going to the Derby, and your grandfather's whiskers."
"General Grant invented this kind of battle at Petersburg in sixty-five."
"No, he didn't - he just invented mass butchery. This kind of battle was invented by Lewis Carroll and Jules Verne and whoever wrote Undine, and country deacons bowling and marraines in Marseilles and girls seduced in the back lanes of Württemberg and Wesphalia. Why, this was a love battle - there was a century of middle-class love spent here. This was the last love battle. [...] All my beautiful lovely safe world blew itself up here with a great gust of high explosive love."
Copied out, just for you, by hand because I couldn't find it on the internet.
Thanks, I appreciate that. And I like reading about the effect that war had on people. My 11th grade English education was all American literature and my favorite unit was when we read stories from the 20's.
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Slumbering Behemoth Stinks Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:24:50pm |
re: #258 elbruce
(from this liberal's view)
Just for contrast, when I used to visit certain wingnut sites *cough*hotair*cough*, any time Meghan dared to voice an opinion that was just one degree off from the wingnut party line, there would be an avalanche of posts calling her a fat, stupid, disgraceful cow.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:27:02pm |
re: #251 elbruce
Meghan McCain is clearly smarter. But both her and Bristol strike me as good people, and possibly the hope of centrist conservatism to come back someday in the future.
Just not too soon... ; )
Meh. And a downding for "both her and Bristol", you false grammarian.
And I fucking hate the idea that we have political dynasties in this country based on who dumped seed into your mama and whose name you bear.
I would rather see the country taken over by illegal Mexicans than have a McCain or a goddamned fucking Palin spawn in charge.
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:32:59pm |
re: #266 Slumbering Behemoth
Just for contrast, when I used to visit certain wingnut sites *cough*hotair*cough*, any time Meghan dared to voice an opinion that was just one degree off from the wingnut party line, there would be an avalanche of posts calling her a fat, stupid, disgraceful cow.
EXACTLY.
I'm still aghast at the comparison of Bristol to Meghan. Bristol? Her circumstance has paid her mega $. Meghan? Stating her policy brought personal attacks.
Meghan to me is an intelligent person. Obviously. I've read Meghan's columns (where is she lately? oh, her father was running against a tea bagger)
Bristol? Barely got her HS diploma - if she really did. Oh yeah! we saw her on People Magazine in her cap & gown with her baby!
I'd LOVE to see a column from Bristol Palin. Yeah right.
Why do I have to argue this stupid ass point?
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sagehen Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:34:13pm |
re: #259 elbruce
FUCK! I'm going to have to wait until they put it online now... Grr.
(the only reality TV show where people are actually kept in based on talent and ability, rather than random bullshit)
they rerun it Saturday night at 11.
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:38:22pm |
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palomino Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:43:58pm |
re: #258 elbruce
She could have done a lot better hitching her wagon to her mom. Sarah could have gladly used Bristol as a bludgeon against whatever enemies she had at the moment. And Sarah's raking in enough cash to take care of her in fine style.
Instead, the few things I've seen Bristol in have been suprisingly sensitive (from this liberal's view) of the poor and those who have had the misfortune to have made bad choices. She gets into PSA ads without getting into "blame the victim" ads. She avoids the same kinds of meanness that I would expect from a kid of Sarahs', or from any Republican Princess.
The same goes for Meghan McCain. Except that she early on tried for a strong assertion of rational centrism in the name of conservatism and was pretty much pushed to the outside of politics for it.
I should have problems with these purported Princesses of the right wing. I have no problems with either. Meghan shows brains. Bristol shows heart. Between the two of them, they represent all that is lacking in the current conservative movement, as I see it.
The mere fact that Bristol is less mean-spirited than her mom doesn't make her either a moderate or a serious voice in the gop. Between the Bazaar photo shoots, guest spots acting on TV shows, and now competing on Dancing with the Stars, it's hard for me to take her seriously. She does little of substance besides speaking out against teen sex, for which she is handsomely paid.
Meaghan McCain, on the other hand, seems like the real deal, at least by comparison. She writes thoughtful articles that show a pragmatic and forward-looking perspective. She also is willing to appear do interviews, TV and elsewhere, about actual issues. I don't think Bristol does that.
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 10:44:10pm |
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elbruce Thu, Aug 26, 2010 11:02:07pm |
re: #267 Cato the Elder
I would rather see the country taken over by illegal Mexicans than have a McCain or a goddamned fucking Palin spawn in charge.
Oh, I certainly don't think that either of them should be "in charge" of anything. But in terms of who we listen to, I'd rather hear these daughters than what their parents are saying.
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tnguitarist Thu, Aug 26, 2010 11:05:19pm |
re: #271 palomino
All the far right seems to want in a leader is for them to be a proxy. They want people to stand in and vote in predetermined boundaries. They don't want a person that thoughtfully assesses each issue on an individual basis. They want to know how that candidate is going to vote before the debates even begin.
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Nimed Thu, Aug 26, 2010 11:09:10pm |
re: #271 palomino
The mere fact that Bristol is less mean-spirited than her mom doesn't make her either a moderate or a serious voice in the gop. Between the Bazaar photo shoots, guest spots acting on TV shows, and now competing on Dancing with the Stars, it's hard for me to take her seriously. She does little of substance besides speaking out against teen sex, for which she is handsomely paid.
Meaghan McCain, on the other hand, seems like the real deal, at least by comparison. She writes thoughtful articles that show a pragmatic and forward-looking perspective. She also is willing to appear do interviews, TV and elsewhere, about actual issues. I don't think Bristol does that.
Yes, "by comparison" is correct. At least from what I've seen (not that much, admittedly), there's nothing remarkable about these two young women except the prominence of their parents. McCains's daughter greatest virtue is that she has assimilated the typical social values of her generation.
I'm with Cato on this -- I hope they live their lives away from political power.
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Stanghazi Thu, Aug 26, 2010 11:11:10pm |
Hi Charles!
I just can't wait till Saturday for Glenn Beck's I have a Scheme speech. With Saint Sarah and Uncle Ted.
Excited, and hoping you will cover it well.
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Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ...
Cheechako
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Alone in a Bathroom: The Fear and Uncertainty of a Post-Roe Medication Abortion Angel tucked two white pills into each side of her mouth, bracing herself as they began to dissolve. Her deepest fears and anxieties took over. Angel had wanted to talk to a doctor before she took the pills to ... Cheechako
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They Were Desperate to Get Pregnant. Then IVF Gave Them Extra Embryos. One morning last spring, Ashley Harrolle put her 1-year-old daughter down for a nap and went to the kitchen. She pulled up her fertility clinic’s contact information. It was time to make the call. In a freezer several hundred ... Cheechako
2 weeks ago
Views: 372 • Comments: 0 • Rating: 1- Pictures From Today’s Exhibition of Paintings Done by Jane LilienthalPROPS TO MICHELE AND SAGEHEN FOR CATCHING THE SPELLING ERROR IN THE TITLE THAT MY DIABETIC EYES COULDN'T CATCH I wanted to share pictures of the art show I visited today. The portraits were created by the mother of my ...Joe Bacon ✅
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March FavoritesYou've seen these all already but looking back, just because. These are my favorite shots of this last month. That 1937 Zeiss Sonnar is such a gloriously wonderful bit of glass. Thanks for looking.
William Lewis
3 weeks ago
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Russia’s New Combat Robots Blown Up by Drones Near Avdiivka When we landed on the moon, I thought about how science fiction had become real. Now, the robot wars have begun. It's more poignant somehow on the ground than in the missile wars we have in the air as ...
Rightwingconspirator
4 weeks ago
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Why Did More Than 1,000 People Die After Police Subdued Them With Force That Isn’t Meant to Kill? An investigation led by The Associated Press has found that, over a decade, more than 1,000 people died after police subdued them through physical holds, stun guns, body blows and other force not intended to be lethal. More: Why ... Cheechako
4 weeks ago
Views: 559 • Comments: 1 • Rating: 5- A Closer Look at the Eastman State Bar DecisionTaking a few minutes away from work things to read through the Eastman decision. As I'm sure many of you know, Eastman was my law school con law professor. I knew him pretty well because I was also running in ...KGxvi
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Abortions Outside Medical System Increased Sharply After Roe Fell, Study Finds The number of women using abortion pills to end their pregnancies on their own without the direct involvement of a U.S.-based medical provider rose sharply in the months after the Supreme Court eliminated a constitutional right to abortion, according ... Cheechako
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The Pandemic Cost 7 Million Lives, but Talks to Prevent a Repeat Stall In late 2021, as the world reeled from the arrival of the highly contagious omicron variant of the coronavirus, representatives of almost 200 countries met - some online, some in-person in Geneva - hoping to forestall a future worldwide ... Cheechako
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ... Cheechako
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