David Horowitz Begs for Money for Robert Spencer

Here’s the mass email sent out today by David Horowitz, begging the right wing base for more money for Robert Spencer’s anti-Muslim effort:

Dear DHFC Supporter,

I am sure you’ve heard about the mosque they want to build on the sacred soil of Ground Zero in New York City.

A group of “moderate” Muslim investors and clerics want to open a 13-story Islamic cultural center and mosque called the “Cordoba Center” (Remember: Cordoba, Spain, was once the capital of the Muslim penetration of the West) just a few hundred yards away from Ground Zero - the the site of the murderous attack on America by radical Islamofascists.

The Freedom Center is in the middle of the fight to stop this insult to the memory of the people who died on 9/11. Our own Robert Spencer - the author of Islam Unveiled and other important works exposing radical Islam, director of Jihad Watch, and widely respected conservative leader - is spearheading the effort to stop the desecration of the area where 2,742 innocent people were slaughtered by agents of Osama bin Laden and his rabid al Qaeda followers. Robert is helping to organize a major demonstration against the Ground Zero Mosque on September 11th where tens of thousands of New Yorkers will listen as Ambassador John Bolton, Dutch opponent of Islamism Geert Wilders, and others voice their opposition to the mosque.

Apologists for the Islamists and their stealth jihad in America have Robert in their gun sights. That’s why it is critically important that Robert receive the financial support needed to stand toe-to-toe with the extremely well-financed agents of radical Islam. His ability to continue his work as a tireless researcher and fearless opponent of Islamofascism is on the line in this battle against the Ground Zero mosque, and every dollar counts.

That’s why I’m asking you to follow this link and make a tax-deductible contribution of $25, $50, $100, $250 or more today. I will send you a copy of Robert’s upcoming pamphlet on The Cordoba Mosque: The meaning of the Ground Zero Outrage with your gift of $35 or more. With a gift of $100 or more, I will send you a personalized copy of Robert’s best-selling book, The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam.

You and I understand this isn’t about religious freedom. It is about what is decent and appropriate. We are not forbidding Muslim citizens from worshipping or building a mosque at another location, but we must ensure that this insult to the memory of innocent Americans butchered nine years ago by Islamic radicalism never comes to pass.

When Robert is attacked for “Islamophobia” and his voice mail is filled with dark threats, we know our efforts are paying off. But there are real costs involved in Robert’s work, and the Freedom Center needs to raise an additional $125,000 in the next three months to ensure that Robert can continue this battle. Can we count on you to help?

Every dollar you can spare to support Robert Spencer in these hard times will pay off by amplifying his passionate, reasoned voice against building this particular mosque on this particular site and by allowing him to bring this battle to a head. So please follow this link to make the most generous contribution you can afford.

Thank you for all of your support.

Sincerely,

David Horowitz
President & Founder

P.S. Please do what you can today to support Robert Spencer in these hard times. Every dollar will pay off by amplifying his passionate, reasoned voice against building this particular mosque on this particular site and by allowing him to bring this battle to a head. Please follow this link to make your tax-deductible contribution today. Don’t for get that I will send you a copy of Robert’s upcoming pamphlet on The Cordoba Mosque: The meaning of the Ground Zero Outrage with your gift of $35 or more. With a gift of $100 or more, I will send you a personalized copy of Robert’s best-selling book, The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam. Thank you again!

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443 comments

1 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:02:58pm
2 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:05:24pm

Come on, guys. Think of it as stimulus spending. Granted, all it'll stimulate is more bigoted lunacy, but it's better than spending that money on something like electric car batteries or windmill construction...right?

///

3 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:08:15pm

Milking the cash cow of hate.

4 Merkin  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:09:07pm

Why pay for more bigotry? We seem to get enough for free.

5 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:09:11pm

It's election season and the GOP is desperate, they are spamming me with mail and email from evergyone and everything to get more money for November. Yesterday I got one from Angle, two from Bachmann, and another from Gingrich.

6 CuriousLurker  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:09:17pm

*gets ready to make another donation to Park51/Cordoba Initiative*

7 Wayne A. Schneider  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:10:06pm

I love how they're always putting the word moderate in quotation marks. As if these opinions are coming from "sane" "rational" "people".

8 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:11:19pm

Reposted from last thread:

Short of various Nazi documents I've translated in the past, no letter I've ever seen in my life contains more lies than that one.

9 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:11:45pm

Wingnut jizya.

10 jaunte  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:12:28pm

re: #7 Wayne A. Schneider

It's a "reasoned" appeal to prejudice.

11 Mocking Jay  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:12:38pm

"Republicans."

12 Randall Gross  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:12:46pm

The wingnut pantheon is covered pretty well in this Dem ad:

13 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:12:59pm

Evening lizards! I’m asking you to make a tax-deductible contribution of $25, $50, $100, $250 or more today to cover my medical bills.

Thank you for your support.

NJD

14 Mocking Jay  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:14:13pm

re: #13 NJDhockeyfan

Evening lizards! I’m asking you to make a tax-deductible contribution of $25, $50, $100, $250 or more today to cover my medical bills.

Thank you for your support.

NJD

Where is the money going? An Iranian hospital? How can we know?

15 Racer X  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:15:24pm
16 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:15:46pm

re: #12 Thanos

The wingnut pantheon is covered pretty well in this Dem ad:


[Video]

It could be effective.

17 brookly red  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:17:10pm

wow... just wow. I am so not feeling this... good night all.

18 tradewind  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:17:20pm

re: #15 Racer X
Oh no! Will there be anything left?/

19 tradewind  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:18:01pm

Feel better Brookly.

20 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:18:27pm

re: #14 JasonA

Where is the money going? An Iranian hospital? How can we know?

It will go to the nonprofit organization NJDhockeyfan Memorial Busted Head charity.

21 jaunte  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:20:08pm

If Robert Spencer needs money, he should find some honest work and stop getting his friends to ask strangers for handouts.

22 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:20:54pm

re: #5 Thanos

It's election season and the GOP is desperate, they are spamming me with mail and email from evergyone and everything to get more money for November. Yesterday I got one from Angle, two from Bachmann, and another from Gingrich.

For some reason this reminds me. Some years ago, I moved out of a house I was renting, and when we decided to move, I called the landlord to let him know we would be vacating.

His wife answered the phone. I asked for him, and she said he was unavailable and asked who I was with such icy hostility that I thought she thought I was his girlfriend. I explained, and she exclaimed warmly "Oh, you're a TENANT!! I thought you were one of his Republican fundraisers! They keep calling, and calling, and reminding him to vote tomorrow!! I'm never giving money to the RNC again! They just STALK you!!"

23 aagcobb  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:21:06pm

Send me $100, and I'll launch a campaign of bigotry and hatred against the ethnic or religious minority of your choice!

24 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:21:36pm

re: #13 NJDhockeyfan

Evening lizards! I’m asking you to make a tax-deductible contribution of $25, $50, $100, $250 or more today to cover my medical bills.

Thank you for your support.

NJD

What can you do? Have you written any scary books about Islam?

25 Charles Johnson  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:21:59pm

Is anyone surprised that I'm not supporting the Horowitz-Spencer Axis of Bigotry?

Are there still people out there who don't know?

Do I need to create a widget button or something?

26 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:27:54pm

Liz Cheney and Frank Gaffney are in this web correct?

27 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:28:16pm

re: #24 SanFranciscoZionist

What can you do? Have you written any scary books about Islam?

No but I make some fantastic homemade hot sauce from the peppers & tomatoes growing in my garden. It's been approved by every religious group except Westboro Baptist Church. Apparently God hates hot sauce, it makes you become a homosexual.

28 Kragar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:29:23pm

Did Spencer's gig renting himself as a garden gnome dry up?

29 brookly red  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:29:57pm

re: #27 NJDhockeyfan

No but I make some fantastic homemade hot sauce from the peppers & tomatoes growing in my garden. It's been approved by every religious group except Westboro Baptist Church. Apparently God hates hot sauce, it makes you become a homosexual.

/don't blame the hot sauce...

30 Nimed  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:31:19pm

ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY BURLINGTON COAT FACTORY!

31 jaunte  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:31:45pm

re: #28 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Too much 'roving on the job'...

32 Kragar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:32:21pm

re: #30 Nimed

ALL HAIL THE MIGHTY BURLINGTON COAT FACTORY!

AFFORDABLE COATS FOR THE AFFORDABLE COAT GOD!

Nah, just not feeling it.

33 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:34:26pm

re: #12 Thanos

The wingnut pantheon is covered pretty well in this Dem ad:


[Video]

I still think all they need to do is show how many times the GOP thoguht that things were a good idea until Obama agreed with them and then turned face immediately and said just the opposite.

"What Do Republicans Believe?"

Various Flip Flops
Hippocrysy
Ambidextrous liptitude

"What Do Republicans Believe?"
"They Believe You're Not Smart Enough to Catch Them Lying."

34 cliffster  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:35:42pm

re: #33 PT Barnum

snore

35 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:35:56pm

Next Commercial

Chants from the 2008 convention

Drill Baby Drill

Various GOP candidates saying Drill Baby Drill

Over video of dead animals, news spots describing the Gulf Oil Spills consequences.

36 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:36:15pm

re: #27 NJDhockeyfan

No but I make some fantastic homemade hot sauce from the peppers & tomatoes growing in my garden. It's been approved by every religious group except Westboro Baptist Church. Apparently God hates hot sauce, it makes you become a homosexual.

How does one explain the continued birth rate, in, you know, Thailand and Jamaica and Mexico and New Orleans and places like that?

But the hot sauce is a good start.

37 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:38:29pm

A. James Rudin reminds us about some history we should think about...

Stormy seas for our ship of state

When a ship tosses about during a gale, passengers rely on the captain to navigate safely through the dangerous water.

America is currently in an economic, political and cultural storm. While the 310 million people aboard our national ship of state expect our leaders to plot a successful course, we are also responsible for the wellbeing of those around us, especially those vulnerable passengers who are "different."

It is neither a new image, nor a new problem. In the 17th century, Baptist minister Roger Williams, a strong champion of religious liberty and the founder of Rhode Island, wrote:

"It hath fallen out sometimes, that both papists and Protestants, Jews and Turks, may be embarked on one ship; upon which supposal I affirm, that all the liberty of conscience, that ever I pleaded for, turns upon these two hinges --- that none of the papists, Protestants, Jews, or Turks, be forced to come to the ship's prayers of worship, nor compelled from their own particular prayers or worship, if they practice any."

As a nation, we have frequently failed to follow Williams' teachings by engaging in religious, racial, and ethnic bigotry. And we're still doing it --- publicly attacking immigrants, African-Americans, Hispanics, Muslims, gays, and Asians among others.

It's as ugly now as it was then.

[snip]

Read the whole thing.

38 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:39:03pm

Better tag line

What do Republicans believe?
They believe that it's more important to be elected than consistent.

39 cliffster  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:39:19pm

re: #36 SanFranciscoZionist

How does one explain the continued birth rate, in, you know, Thailand and Jamaica and Mexico and New Orleans and places like that?

was Texas an intentional omission? come to Texas sometime - I'll take you to some places that will melt your tongue. And we have queers too.

40 Racer X  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:39:56pm

It's more important to be elected than consistent.
- Harry Reid


;-)

41 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:40:00pm

re: #39 cliffster

was Texas an intentional omission? come to Texas sometime - I'll take you to some places that will melt your tongue. And we have queers too.

Definition of a queer in texas? A boy who likes girls more than he does football.

42 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:40:06pm

re: #39 cliffster

was Texas an intentional omission? come to Texas sometime - I'll take you to some places that will melt your tongue. And we have queers too.

No, I think I sort of lumped it in culturally with Mexico. OK, add Texas to the list.

43 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:40:22pm

re: #39 cliffster

was Texas an intentional omission? come to Texas sometime - I'll take you to some places that will melt your tongue. And we have queers too.

Are those the ones who aren't steers?

//

44 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:40:30pm

re: #40 Racer X

It's more important to be elected than consistent.
- Harry Reid

;-)

Their all weasels...It just seems like the GOP is more in your face about it.

45 cliffster  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:41:22pm

re: #41 PT Barnum

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

both of you made me spew beverage-of-my-choice all over the LCD display of my computer.

46 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:41:58pm

re: #45 cliffster

re: #42 SanFranciscoZionist

both of you made me spew beverage-of-my-choice all over the LCD display of my computer.

that was my revenge for the snore retort..:)

47 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:43:35pm

Then there was the 800 pound Texan that died..They couldn't find a coffin big enough until they gave him an enema, at which point they were able to bury him in a shoebox...:)

One Texan boy to another

"Man them Mexican's sure gots smart dogs"

"Whaddya mean?"

"Well my Dad says they use em to make tacos."

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:44:12pm

Westboro "Baptist" "Church" slogan: "Hate keeps you straight."

49 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:44:26pm
With a gift of $100 or more, I will send you a personalized copy of Robert’s best-selling book, The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam.

Proudly known, in the "right" circles, as the P.I.G.

And the full title is "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades)."

The Crusades, you see, are completely misunderstood. They were noble attempts to stem the tide of Mahomet's followers. Of course, a few nasty things happened along the way, notably some unfortunate harassment (read: pogroms and massacres) directed towards European Jews, but that was just an excess of boyish, chivalrous, knightly European over-enthusiasm (never mind that some of the funding for the Crusades came from the looting and pillage of Jewish enclaves).

I do wonder, though, how Robert Spencer wishes away or condones or explains the part where the Western European crusaders raped and pillaged his beloved Byzantium, whose sacred ground they had been called to defend. Against the Moooslims.

Note to Horowitz: Spencer is no friend to Jews. But you know that already, you're just once again going where the power is.

Fuck you both.

50 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:45:53pm

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

Westboro "Baptist" "Church" slogan: "Hate keeps you straight."

The family that brays together stays together

51 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:46:04pm

sacred soil
Ground Zero
“moderate” Muslim
Muslim penetration of the West
insult to the memory
desecration
Apologists for the Islamists
stealth jihad in America
gun sights
well-financed agents of radical Islam
Ground Zero Outrage
decent and appropriate
insult to the memory
butchered


I took the time to pick out the inflammatory words in this email. There's a lot of em.

52 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:46:59pm

re: #51 Stanley Sea

sacred soil
Ground Zero
“moderate” Muslim
Muslim penetration of the West
insult to the memory
desecration
Apologists for the Islamists
stealth jihad in America
gun sights
well-financed agents of radical Islam
Ground Zero Outrage
decent and appropriate
insult to the memory
butchered

I took the time to pick out the inflammatory words in this email. There's a lot of em.

Me thinks the only inflammation he has is in his nether regions...

53 Mr. Crankypants  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:48:29pm

Well kids, I just dropped in to drop off a few bon mots and now it is off to bed. I have a long day ahead of me tomorrow with anniversary dinner with the wife and Peanut to finish it off. (Sushi and Tepanaki grill) Yum!

54 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:48:32pm

Scott Wheeler posts his worst column ever. It's pure "I'm just asking questions" ODS, with an anti-Muslim-bigot twist. A truly toxic cocktail.

55 cliffster  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:48:59pm

re: #46 PT Barnum

that was my revenge for the snore retort..:)

zzzha, huh, wha? somebody say something? ;)

56 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:49:59pm

The first hunger strike has begun...

Rancor Over Mosque Prompts One Man's Quiet Hunger Strike

Holding up a white placard with a handwritten slogan, Timothy Leonard of Brooklyn stood quietly by himself outside the old Burlington Coat Factory building on Park Place in Lower Manhattan on Friday.

As pedestrians walked by the two joined buildings that have become a flashpoint of an angry debate across the nation, Leonard patiently and quietly held his sign for the benefit of whomever bothered to read it. He didn't chant, he didn't shout. He just stood and offered an occasional nod, fist bump, or greeting to a passerby.

Wearing a black hooded sweatshirt over a red T-shirt, multicolored shorts, and high-tops, Leonard communicated a simple message on his sign: "Hunger Strike for Cultural Tolerance and Mind Elevation."

"I'm willing to give up food and I'm willing to go through starvation but I'm not willing to give up civil liberties and also rights," Leonard told Fox 5 News. "I don't feel anybody else should, and I stand for that."

Leonard said he will refrain from eating food, sustaining himself on water and occasionally orange juice, in order to make his point, quietly and in stark contrast to the noise and rancor of recent weeks.

Good for him. This is the first person I've seen supporting his personal stand on the issue and acting like an adult about it.

57 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:52:23pm

"Reasoned voice" Uh Dave, Spence's buddies are well known European fascists and he admits that he gets a kick of stirring up shit.

58 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:53:11pm

re: #21 jaunte

If Robert Spencer needs money, he should find some honest work and stop getting his friends to ask strangers for handouts.

Like turning tricks out on the corner?

///

59 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:54:10pm

I wish Olbermann would do two separate consecutive nightly "Worst Person in the World" segments on Geller and Spencer.

Because I think they are really two of the worst humans now stealing oxygen.

60 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:54:24pm

Hi Cato..... I missed your post on the last thread and did respond after the fact........ thanks again.

61 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:54:48pm

re: #25 Charles

Is anyone surprised that I'm not supporting the Horowitz-Spencer Axis of Bigotry?

Are there still people out there who don't know?

Do I need to create a widget button or something?

Sounds like you'd need to have it tattooed on your head for some to notice, but with the willfully ignorant, I don't think that'd even be a clue for them.

62 sagehen  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:55:02pm

re: #35 PT Barnum

Next Commercial

Chants from the 2008 convention

Drill Baby Drill

Various GOP candidates saying Drill Baby Drill

Over video of dead animals, news spots describing the Gulf Oil Spills consequences.

Oh, please.

That would require competence from the Dem Message Machine.

Never going to happen.

63 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:57:16pm

Abe Foxman, ADL head, after opposing the Ground Zero mega Mosque and opposing American Imams denouncing the holocaust decides there's too much bigotry against Muslims....
Exploiting the Mosque Controversy
Abraham H. Foxman

National Director of the Anti-Defamation League

The controversy surrounding the proposed Islamic center at Ground Zero is being exploited by some to demonize Muslims and Islam and by others to label all those who believe the mosque would better be built elsewhere as denying religious freedom and bigotry.


Que?

64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:57:59pm

Dear David?

Nope.

Sincerely yours,

FBV

65 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:57:59pm

What's always bothered me about Horowitz is that he was further left than I'll ever be yet he becomes this right winger and acts like everyone to the left of him is some dangerous radical. People like that rub me the wrong way.

66 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:58:11pm

re: #62 sagehen

Oh, please.

That would require competence from the Dem Message Machine.

Never going to happen.

says it all

67 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:58:41pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

Abe Foxman, ADL head, after opposing the Ground Zero mega Mosque and opposing American Imams denouncing the holocaust decides there's too much bigotry against Muslims...
Exploiting the Mosque Controversy
Abraham H. Foxman

National Director of the Anti-Defamation League


Que?

Sounds like he's talkin' out of both sides of his mouth. Neat trick.

68 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:59:04pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

Abe Foxman, ADL head, after opposing the Ground Zero mega Mosque and opposing American Imams denouncing the holocaust decides there's too much bigotry against Muslims...
Exploiting the Mosque Controversy
Abraham H. Foxman

National Director of the Anti-Defamation League


Que?

Indecision much, Abe?

69 AntonSirius  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:59:10pm
The Freedom Center is in the middle of the fight to stop this insult to the memory of the people who died on 9/11.

I totally agree, David. I totally agree.

70 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:59:23pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

Abe Foxman, ADL head, after opposing the Ground Zero mega Mosque and opposing American Imams denouncing the holocaust decides there's too much bigotry against Muslims...
Exploiting the Mosque Controversy
Abraham H. Foxman

National Director of the Anti-Defamation League

Que?

I do believe senility is a valid reason to retire.

71 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:59:24pm

re: #59 Cato the Elder

I wish Olbermann would do two separate consecutive nightly "Worst Person in the World" segments on Geller and Spencer.

Because I think they are really two of the worst humans now stealing oxygen.

I'd rather have Rachel Maddow thump them. Olbermann is a nasty attack dog, and those who aren't fans of his would dismiss whatever he said in that spirit. Maddow is an actual journalist who can produce a fair report that hammers a malfactor.

72 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 7:59:40pm

re: #53 PT Barnum

How long?

73 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:00:38pm

re: #72 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How long?

Life without the possibility of parole.

/// *Ducks and runs*

74 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:00:45pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

I'd rather have Rachel Maddow thump them. Olbermann is a nasty attack dog, and those who aren't fans of his would dismiss whatever he said in that spirit. Maddow is an actual journalist who can produce a fair report that hammers a malfactor.

Fair enough.

75 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:00:45pm

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

I'd rather have Rachel Maddow thump them. Olbermann is a nasty attack dog, and those who aren't fans of his would dismiss whatever he said in that spirit. Maddow is an actual journalist who can produce a fair report that hammers a malfactor.

Olbermann still has a few people watching him? I didn't know he still had a show.

76 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:00:48pm

re: #68 talon_262

Indecision much, Abe?

Too late.

Wonder if he received a few emails?

77 jaunte  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:00:49pm

re: #63 Killgore Trout

Abe Foxman, ADL head, after opposing the Ground Zero mega Mosque and opposing American Imams denouncing the holocaust decides there's too much bigotry against Muslims...
Exploiting the Mosque Controversy
Abraham H. Foxman

National Director of the Anti-Defamation League


Que?

He's trying to find that magical balance fairy people have been talking about.

78 Racer X  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:00:51pm

I have no idea what the hell this is, but now for some strange reason I have an an uncontrollable urge to go by a copy of Catcher In The Rye.

79 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:00:58pm

re: #64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dear David,

Fuck you and the gnome you rode in on...

Sincerely yours,

talon_262

Improved it a bit, FBV ;-P

80 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:01:30pm

re: #64 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dear David?

Nope.

Sincerely yours,

FBV

Hi Veggie! How goes it?

81 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:03:03pm

What bugs me is they always bring up the families of the 9-11 victims like there's some unaminous opinion of the families against Park 51. I've seen stories of family members interviewed that support it. And honestly right wing pundits haven't exactly been charitible to 9-11 family members who disagree with them. Remember Coulter and the Jersey Girls and her nasty comment about how their husbands hated them or O'Reilly's hostilty to the son of one victim whose sin was disagreeing with Bill on the Iraq war. I understand emotions may run high but this is the same country that allowed a bunch of Neo-Nazi assholes to march through a town with a large amount of Holocaust survivors and it is a textbook literally speaking story of the importance of the 1st amendment.

82 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:03:31pm

re: #76 Stanley Sea

Too late.

Wonder if he received a few emails?

Oh, I'm sure...I'm sure the thought that this sort of thing (and worse) has happened to Jews in recent world history just didn't occur to him before he and the ADL issued their initial statements on Cordoba House.

/what a schmuck

83 AntonSirius  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:03:52pm

re: #56 NJDhockeyfan

The first hunger strike has begun...

Rancor Over Mosque Prompts One Man's Quiet Hunger Strike

Good for him. This is the first person I've seen supporting his personal stand on the issue and acting like an adult about it.

In those dark, 3 am moments when things seem their worst, I've considered doing something similar as a protest against our use of torture. Then I sleep it off. You need to be a little more flamboyant than that these days to break through into the national news cycle and have any kind of chance of making an impact.

84 Kragar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:04:39pm

re: #78 Racer X

I have no idea what the hell this is, but now for some strange reason I have an an uncontrollable urge to go by a copy of Catcher In The Rye.

[Video]

What the hell?

Meanwhile, they're finally adapting my life story into a feature film

85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:05:44pm

re: #80 HoosierHoops

Hey bud. Indy had half a hundred hung on them last night.

But, now, since you're in Oklahoma, you can become a Cowboys fan (it's the law)...

Come to the light, Hoosier... Come to the light...

86 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:06:20pm

re: #83 AntonSirius

In those dark, 3 am moments when things seem their worst, I've considered doing something similar as a protest against our use of torture. Then I sleep it off. You need to be a little more flamboyant than that these days to break through into the national news cycle and have any kind of chance of making an impact.

I couldn't do it. Someone would walk by smelling of bacon from breakfast and immediately I would be running to the nearest diner.

87 MittDoesNotCompute  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:06:48pm

re: #84 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

What the hell?

Meanwhile, they're finally adapting my life story into a feature film


[Video]

Hehe....that was interesting. By the way, the lady was kind of cute (what little you saw of her in five seconds)...

88 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:07:28pm

Evening Honcos!! My former high skool played on ESPN tonight!! Fuckin' cool!!

89 Racer X  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:08:51pm

A real man is a woman’s best friend. He will never stand her up and never let her down.

He will reassure her when she feels insecure and comfort her after a bad day.

He will inspire her to do things she never thought she could do; to live without fear and forget regret.

He will enable her to express her deepest emotions and give in to her most intimate desires.

He will make sure she always feels as though she’s the most beautiful woman in the room and will enable her to be the most confident, sexy, seductive, and invincible.

No wait… sorry… I’m thinking of beer.

Never mind.

90 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:09:29pm

NY gov slammed for 'westernized' Muslims comment

Muslim leaders in the United States are criticizing Gov. David Paterson for his description of the developers of an Islamic center and mosque planned near ground zero as peaceful, "almost westernized" Muslims.

The Muslim Public Affairs Council said Paterson mischaracterized the sect known as Sufi and his comment suggests other Muslims are a problem, although he made no criticism of Islam or any branches of it.

...Paterson, who has offered the developers state resources if they decide they'd prefer another site farther from ground zero, said in radio and television interviews Thursday that he had researched Sufi Muslims and they are "not like the Shiites," the second-largest branch of Muslims and the majority in Iraq.

"They're almost like a hybrid, almost westernized," he said. "They are not really what I would classify in the sort of mainland Muslim practice."

Paterson's use of "mainland" apparently was intended to be "mainstream."

Paterson didn't immediately respond to a Friday request for comment on criticism of his remarks.

Damn bigoted wingnuts!

91 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:09:32pm

re: #86 NJDhockeyfan

I couldn't do it. Someone would walk by smelling of bacon from breakfast and immediately I would be running to the nearest diner.

Ditto.

92 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:10:51pm

re: #83 AntonSirius

In those dark, 3 am moments when things seem their worst, I've considered doing something similar as a protest against our use of torture. Then I sleep it off. You need to be a little more flamboyant than that these days to break through into the national news cycle and have any kind of chance of making an impact.

How about living your life according to your own code?

93 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:12:23pm

955 posts 955 karma points

Maybe I should buy a lottery ticket.

94 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:12:34pm

re: #90 NJDhockeyfan

NY gov slammed for 'westernized' Muslims comment

Damn bigoted wingnuts!

I really, REALLY wish that dipshit had kept his nose out of this whole affair. I can now honestly see why the party leadership feared he'd be a drag on their prospects in NY.

95 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:13:35pm

re: #93 Mr Pancakes

There. Don't bother now.

96 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:13:47pm

re: #93 Mr Pancakes

955 posts 955 karma points

Maybe I should buy a lottery ticket.

Well, that got fucked up. Atta girl Stanley!!

97 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:13:55pm

re: #94 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I really, REALLY wish that dipshit had kept his nose out of this whole affair. I can now honestly see why the party leadership feared he'd be a drag on their prospects in NY.

Paterson, who has offered the developers state resources if they decide they'd prefer another site farther from ground zero, said in radio and television interviews Thursday that he had researched Sufi Muslims and they are "not like the Shiites," the second-largest branch of Muslims and the majority in Iraq.

"They're almost like a hybrid, almost westernized," he said. "They are not really what I would classify in the sort of mainland Muslim practice."

Is he actually insane?

98 ProGunLiberal  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:14:05pm

re: #90 NJDhockeyfan

*Sigh* I wish there were more people on my side of the aisle that aren't numbskulls(Patterson) or spineless wimps (Dean, Reid, etc).

99 cliffster  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:14:11pm

re: #92 MandyManners

How about living your life according to your own code?

they don't teach that in school anymore

100 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:14:16pm

re: #96 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well, that got fucked up. Atta girl Stanley!!

I think I was 957. I tried!

101 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:14:24pm

Oh... damn 959 956 now! Shit

102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:14:36pm

How I got started in showbusiness. I saw an ad in the Morning World, which doesn't exist anymore - and hardly do I. The ad said "Boy wanted to sing". I ran all the way from Ninety-third Street, where I lived then, to Thirty-third Street, and ran up five flights of stairs and knocked on the door, and a man came to the door wearing a woman's outfit. Not entirely, just lipstick. And I realized that that was the profession, that I wanted into.
-Groucho Marx

103 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:14:56pm

re: #101 Mr Pancakes

Oh... damn 959 956 now! Shit

I think you're a ding whore.
/

104 Racer X  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:15:12pm

re: #94 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I really, REALLY wish that dipshit had kept his nose out of this whole affair. I can now honestly see why the party leadership feared he'd be a drag on their prospects in NY.

Mr. Paterson’s Disappointing Tenure

Handed an opportunity to guide New York State through terrible economic times — and restore the luster of the office after Eliot Spitzer’s disgrace — Gov. David Paterson frittered away his chances. When it comes to key decisions, he has been distracted and irresolute. And he has displayed poor judgment about fundamental issues of ethics.

This week Judith Kaye, the independent counsel and former chief judge of the State Court of Appeals, said that Mr. Paterson was “inaccurate and misleading” when he told ethics investigators in February that he always intended to pay for four World Series tickets at Yankee Stadium.

It was only a month ago that Ms. Kaye issued another report charging that Mr. Paterson had misled investigators — as well as his own press staff — about his role in a case involving charges of assault by one of his closest aides, David Johnson.

In that case, she decided against pursuing charges against the governor. For this one she has passed the evidence over to District Attorney David Soares in Albany for possible criminal charges.

105 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:15:14pm

re: #101 Mr Pancakes

Oh... damn 959 956 now! Shit

Oh, you've set yourself up now. Go for it.

106 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:15:39pm

re: #85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey bud. Indy had half a hundred hung on them last night.

But, now, since you're in Oklahoma, you can become a Cowboys fan (it's the law)...

Come to the light, Hoosier... Come to the light...

I hear ya Brother..I have a place by OU but I'm in Indiana Packing crap..I hate moving...Winston and I will be living in a Hotel for 2 weeks during the move..We are going to be next to the campus...So it will be fun..And be moving from Brighthouse Roadrunner network to Cox Internet and Cable package will be refreshing..Brighthouse is %$*&@...Cox is pretty cool..We have them on the West Coast..

107 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:15:46pm

re: #96 Cannadian Club Akbar

Well, that got fucked up. Atta girl Stanley!!

Are you paraphrasing a Don Knotts' movie?

108 Racer X  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:16:05pm

re: #101 Mr Pancakes

Oh... damn 959 956 now! Shit

Quick! Downding Mr. Pancakes!

109 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:16:19pm

re: #103 Cannadian Club Akbar

I think you're a ding whore.
/

There are worse things to be.

*blink*

110 webevintage  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:16:31pm

This was funny:
Congressional Budget Office: Sometimes Wonks Have To Explain Their Work To Morons
[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

111 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:16:34pm

Holy fuck. I'm almost at 17,00 comments. Think I'll flounce at 16,999. And I'm taking all of you down!!
//

112 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:16:49pm

re: #105 Stanley Sea

Oh, you've set yourself up now. Go for it.

I'm going for it....... I'll share with you all

113 jaunte  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:17:08pm

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist


Is he actually insane?

I'd vote for 'incompetent'.

114 Racer X  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:18:39pm

re: #111 Cannadian Club Akbar

Holy fuck. I'm almost at 17,00 comments. Think I'll flounce at 16,999. And I'm taking all of you down!!
//

The real Racer X flounced at 20k. This is an AI program he wrote.

115 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:18:47pm

re: #81 HappyWarrior

What bugs me is they always bring up the families of the 9-11 victims like there's some unaminous opinion of the families against Park 51. I've seen stories of family members interviewed that support it. And honestly right wing pundits haven't exactly been charitible to 9-11 family members who disagree with them. Remember Coulter and the Jersey Girls and her nasty comment about how their husbands hated them or O'Reilly's hostilty to the son of one victim whose sin was disagreeing with Bill on the Iraq war. I understand emotions may run high but this is the same country that allowed a bunch of Neo-Nazi assholes to march through a town with a large amount of Holocaust survivors and it is a textbook literally speaking story of the importance of the 1st amendment.

I urge you to read NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY v. SKOKIE, 432 U.S. 43 (1977).

116 Kragar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:19:18pm

re: #113 jaunte

Is he actually insane?

I'd vote for 'incompetent'.

It can be both.

117 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:19:20pm

re: #111 Cannadian Club Akbar

Holy fuck. I'm almost at 17,00 comments. Think I'll flounce at 16,999. And I'm taking all of you down!!
//

You'll never take me alive!!!

*Dives out the window...and lands on the front lawn 1 feet below*

Damn...

///

118 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:19:23pm

re: #114 Racer X

The real Racer X flounced at 20k. This is an AI program he wrote.

Good. I hated that guy.
//

119 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:20:22pm

re: #118 Cannadian Club Akbar

Good. I hated that guy.
//

I think he's on the stalker blog now.

120 Kragar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:20:26pm

re: #114 Racer X

The real Racer X flounced at 20k. This is an AI program he wrote.

That would explain all the links to Russian porn sites and viagra retailers you send out at regular intervals.

121 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:20:30pm

re: #97 SanFranciscoZionist

Paterson, who has offered the developers state resources if they decide they'd prefer another site farther from ground zero, said in radio and television interviews Thursday that he had researched Sufi Muslims and they are "not like the Shiites," the second-largest branch of Muslims and the majority in Iraq.

"They're almost like a hybrid, almost westernized," he said. "They are not really what I would classify in the sort of mainland Muslim practice."

Is he actually insane?

It's so crazy. I think this stuff really started with the general anti-immigration sentiment that's been brewing over the last couple years. All of a sudden, there's a "normal American" way where outsiders don't belong. It's contrary to everything we are.

122 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:20:37pm

So, is everybody happy?

123 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:20:37pm

re: #117 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You'll never take me alive!!!

*Dives out the window...and lands on the front lawn 1 feet below*

Damn...

///

All your garden gnomes are mine.
/

124 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:21:12pm

re: #122 Spare O'Lake

So, is everybody happy?

I think so.

125 AntonSirius  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:21:36pm

re: #92 MandyManners

How about living your life according to your own code?

I do. And yet, my government still went ahead and tortured people in my name anyway, with basically no repercussions.

If I could do something to help generate those repercussions, I'd feel morally obligated to do so.

126 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:21:52pm

re: #122 Spare O'Lake

So, is everybody happy?

I don't know, does "comfortably numb" count?

127 jaunte  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:21:55pm

I feel a hybrid, almost westernized emotion.

128 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:21:57pm

re: #122 Spare O'Lake

So, is everybody happy?

I am, are you Spare?

129 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:22:03pm

re: #122 Spare O'Lake

So, is everybody happy?

Fair to partly sunny.

And you?

130 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:23:00pm

re: #129 marjoriemoon

Fair to partly sunny.

And you?

Today was the 5th day in a row it rained. I have never slept so much.

131 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:23:57pm

re: #130 Cannadian Club Akbar

Today was the 5th day in a row it rained. I have never slept so much.

Yaaa, been stormy by you. We get the usual afternoon shower. So far, no big wind, but I don't want to jinx it.

132 Racer X  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:24:15pm

re: #122 Spare O'Lake

So, is everybody happy?

I so happy!

133 webevintage  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:24:32pm

re: #122 Spare O'Lake

So, is everybody happy?

The Wellbutrin says I am....

134 cliffster  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:24:35pm

re: #106 HoosierHoops

I hear ya Brother..I have a place by OU but I'm in Indiana Packing crap..I hate moving...Winston and I will be living in a Hotel for 2 weeks during the move..We are going to be next to the campus...So it will be fun..And be moving from Brighthouse Roadrunner network to Cox Internet and Cable package will be refreshing..Brighthouse is %$*&@...Cox is pretty cool..We have them on the West Coast..

Tension is high around there, Hoops. OU lost six games last year, and it's not looking good this year. There's only so much celebrating a first-in-the-draft you can do before you realize, he's not here, he's not helping us...

Cox cable is awesome though. They kick Time Warner's ass any and every day.

135 SpaceJesus  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:24:43pm

they have to know there is no way to stop park 51. this is just a big money making scheme for them now. oh, and also a giant hate fest.

136 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:25:03pm

re: #99 cliffster

they don't teach that in school anymore

It's not taught in the classroom.

BTW, let me tell you about The Kid blocking a pass the other night when he was on the VARSITY team. The ball bounced off an offensive whatchamacallit's face. Hillarity ensued. This little kid PUNKED.

As I indicated earlier, these kids were not sure what they were dealing with when it came to The Kid. He growls. He barks. He beats the shit out of any goal in his path.

He's golden.

137 AntonSirius  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:25:13pm

re: #115 MandyManners

I urge you to read NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY v. SKOKIE, 432 U.S. 43 (1977).

You misspelled 'American Socialist White People's Party'

138 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:26:08pm

re: #135 SpaceJesus

they have to know there is no way to stop park 51. this is just a big money making scheme for them now. oh, and also a giant hate fest.

God, now I'm getting flashbacks to the "anti-war" rallies of days past. When ANSWER would fleece...er, get donations from the crowds while bitching about the struggle of the workers and so forth.

Ah, memories...

139 AntonSirius  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:26:22pm

re: #117 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You'll never take me alive!!!

*Dives out the window...and lands on the front lawn 1 feet below*

Damn...

///

Aim for the garden gnome's pointy hat!

140 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:26:41pm

re: #135 SpaceJesus

they have to know there is no way to stop park 51. this is just a big money making scheme for them now. oh, and also a giant hate fest.

Just wait when the south rises..... you'll be sorry Space Jesus.

141 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:27:17pm

re: #140 Mr Pancakes

Just wait when the south rises... you'll be sorry Space Jesus.

Speak it, my brother!!
/

142 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:27:55pm

re: #122 Spare O'Lake

So, is everybody happy?

So what if I'm not?

You gonna' make a big fucking deal of it?

You fucking bastard.

I'm going home to my family.

143 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:28:15pm

re: #138 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

God, now I'm getting flashbacks to the "anti-war" rallies of days past. When ANSWER would fleece...er, get donations from the crowds while bitching about the struggle of the workers and so forth.

Ah, memories...

Heh getting money from Mumia. My big problem with the anti war rallies is that they would bash Israel but you never heard one word about Darfur. Other thing that bothered me was reading about ANSWER's political party all the Workers World Party I believe who supported the Soviets invading Hungary in '56 and the later Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. I thought well isn't that an interesting double standard.

144 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:28:19pm

re: #49 Cato the Elder

Proudly known, in the "right" circles, as the P.I.G.

And the full title is "The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades)."

The Crusades, you see, are completely misunderstood. They were noble attempts to stem the tide of Mahomet's followers. Of course, a few nasty things happened along the way, notably some unfortunate harassment (read: pogroms and massacres) directed towards European Jews, but that was just an excess of boyish, chivalrous, knightly European over-enthusiasm (never mind that some of the funding for the Crusades came from the looting and pillage of Jewish enclaves).

I do wonder, though, how Robert Spencer wishes away or condones or explains the part where the Western European crusaders raped and pillaged his beloved Byzantium, whose sacred ground they had been called to defend. Against the Moooslims.

Note to Horowitz: Spencer is no friend to Jews. But you know that already, you're just once again going where the power is.

Fuck you both.

Note that there are numerous other P.I.G.s ("politically incorrect guides") that will tell benighted, liberalism-befuddled people what to think about:

--American History
--The Vietnam War
--The Civil War
--Western Civilization
--The Consti-fucking-tution
--The Founding Fathers [no mothers allowed]
--The Bible
--The Sixties [when Everything Started to Go Wrong]
--The Great Depression [not, apparently, the one brought on by reading P.I.G.s]
--The Politically Incorrect Guide to Darwinism and Intelligent Design
--The Politically Incorrect Guide to Global Warming (and Environmentalism)
--The Politically Incorrect Guide to Women, Sex and Feminism

&c., &c., ad nauseam, with this one topping my list of favorites:

--The Politically Incorrect Guide to the South (and Why It Will Rise Again) [now there's something to look forward to!]

All of them proudly have the P.I.G. logo on the cover, showing, guess what? - a pig.

Anyone need any explication of where these people come from and where they want to take this country? Well, this is telling: the man depicted on the cover of the "American History" P.I.G. is Stonewall Jackson. Yep, the very avatar of everything America stands for!

Are you confused about sex, women, money (there's a P.I.G. about captitalism), money, women, sex, and the Bible and the Koran and God and This Great Nation of Ours?

Buy a P.I.G.!

Immediate stone-cold racist fucktardism guaranteed, but no money back.

145 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:28:26pm

re: #142 MandyManners

So what if I'm not?

You gonna' make a big fucking deal of it?

You fucking bastard.

I'm going home to my family.

(that's "I love you" in Mandy-speak)

146 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:28:48pm

Lebanon's Hizballah Museum: A Theme Park for Martyrdom

The rocky red hills and dense oak forests of southern Lebanon near the Israeli border make perfect terrain for guerrilla warfare, as the Israeli army has repeatedly discovered to its chagrin. Whether or not the once and future war zone is an ideal location for a multi-million dollar tourist attraction is another matter. But that hasn't stopped Hizballah, the anti-Israeli militant group and Shi'ite Muslim political party, from opening a war memorial this summer here in the southern hill town of Mleeta. With a reported cost of about $20 million and a cryptic slogan ("Earth Speaks to Heaven"), Mleeta is the first stage of what Hizballah hopes will be a kind of family theme park of the Islamic Resistance that will eventually include spa hotels, a paint-ball gun battlefield, and a cable-car ride with a scenic view of northern Israel, or as the tour guides call it, "Occupied Palestine."

Mleeta is a full-frontal display of the Party of God's legendary attention to detail, its willingness to sacrifice, and its glorification of combat. Visitors walk down "The Path" — a winding trail interspersed with mannequin-filled dioramas of combat scenes, including a field hospital and a camouflaged rocket launch site meant to convey the experience of being a mujaheddin. They duck their heads and enter "The Cave" — a once-secret bunker used as barracks for as many as 7,000 militants that engineers carved out of the hillside over a period of several years, scattering its debris for miles to avoid drawing the attention of Israeli reconnaissance planes. And they can gawk at "The Abyss," a pit filled with captured Israeli machine guns, rockets and tanks. "These arms were used to destroy your homes, look at them now under your feet," said a tour guide recently to a busload of men in Hizballah canary yellow baseball caps and women in black chadors visiting from the Martyr's Association, a charity for the families of militants killed in action. "Every helmet you are seeing is from a dead Israeli soldier," he said.

I wonder if they will borrow Farfur from Hamas for the kids to enjoy?

147 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:28:58pm

re: #88 Cannadian Club Akbar

Evening Honcos!! My former high skool played on ESPN tonight!! Fuckin' cool!!

My HS won 48-10. Heh.

149 cliffster  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:29:10pm

re: #136 MandyManners

That's awesome, Mandy. Reminds me of the guy that played defense when I was in high school. 5'8", probably 180. 180 pounds of solid aggression. He played middle linebacker. MIDDLE LINEBACKER. And he was good. That little dude was quick, explosive, and absolutely insane between the snap and the whistle. Instincts - you can't teach them

150 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:29:11pm

G'night Knuckleheads.

151 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:29:32pm

re: #142 MandyManners

So what if I'm not?

You gonna' make a big fucking deal of it?

You fucking bastard.

I'm going home to my family.

My, that was awfully testy without a sarc tag.

152 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:29:37pm

re: #137 AntonSirius

You misspelled 'American Socialist White People's Party'

Bite my sweet, round, white ass.

153 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:30:19pm

re: #152 MandyManners

Bite my sweet, round, white ass.

Only if you're topless.

154 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:30:22pm

re: #134 cliffster

Tension is high around there, Hoops. OU lost six games last year, and it's not looking good this year. There's only so much celebrating a first-in-the-draft you can do before you realize, he's not here, he's not helping us...

Cox cable is awesome though. They kick Time Warner's ass any and every day.

In about 15 days the Hoopster is living in Oklahoma..In a Hotel..Down by the river....LOL
I really like the new place by the Campus..I really like OU...

155 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:30:39pm

re: #115 MandyManners

I urge you to read NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY v. SKOKIE, 432 U.S. 43 (1977).

I remember one of the Klan protests in Skokie. I was working at Old Orchard Mall at the time (which is in Skokie and one of the assistant managers at the store I was working at got arrested (and subsequently fired) for punching one of those hooded scumbags.

156 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:30:50pm

re: #144 Cato the Elder

Note that there are numerous other P.I.G.s ("politically incorrect guides") that will tell benighted, liberalism-befuddled people what to think about:

&c., &c., ad nauseam, with this one topping my list of favorites:

All of them proudly have the P.I.G. logo on the cover, showing, guess what? - a pig.

Anyone need any explication of where these people come from and where they want to take this country? Well, this is telling: the man depicted on the cover of the "American History" P.I.G. is Stonewall Jackson. Yep, the very avatar of everything America stands for!

Are you confused about sex, women, money (there's a P.I.G. about captitalism), money, women, sex, and the Bible and the Koran and God and This Great Nation of Ours?

Buy a P.I.G.!

Immediate stone-cold racist fucktardism guaranteed, but no money back.

I've seen those books around. They look like nonsense to me and more Confederacy apologies. Shit, I'm a southerner, Virginia born and raised but I'm really peeved by neo-confederatism and attempts to revise the antebellum South to this wonderful place. It's like Team America's spoof of Sean Penn talking about Iraq before the US invaded, "A land of gum drops where children played happily and everyoned laughed."

157 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:31:00pm

re: #142 MandyManners

So what if I'm not?

You gonna' make a big fucking deal of it?

You fucking bastard.

I'm going home to my family.

Thanks, I needed that.

158 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:31:13pm

re: #154 HoosierHoops

In about 15 days the Hoopster is living in Oklahoma..In a Hotel..Down by the river...LOL
I really like the new place by the Campus..I really like OU...

If you're gonna live down by the river, it has to be in a van.

159 AntonSirius  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:31:27pm

re: #152 MandyManners

Bite my sweet, round, white ass.

Perfectly round, like a circle? You should probably see a doctor about that.

160 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:31:35pm

re: #145 marjoriemoon

(that's "I love you" in Mandy-speak)

Howdy, Marjorie.

161 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:32:43pm

re: #143 HappyWarrior

Heh getting money from Mumia. My big problem with the anti war rallies is that they would bash Israel but you never heard one word about Darfur. Other thing that bothered me was reading about ANSWER's political party all the Workers World Party I believe who supported the Soviets invading Hungary in '56 and the later Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. I thought well isn't that an interesting double standard.

Yep, WWP. They lack a moral leg to stand on when talking about invading places.

162 AntonSirius  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:32:47pm

re: #158 Cannadian Club Akbar

If you're gonna live down by the river, it has to be in a van.

It could be a van-shaped hotel.

163 cliffster  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:32:53pm

re: #154 HoosierHoops

In about 15 days the Hoopster is living in Oklahoma..In a Hotel..Down by the river...LOL
I really like the new place by the Campus..I really like OU...

I really like OU too

164 Kragar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:33:04pm

Meanwhile, need advice? Ask a lobster.

165 Racer X  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:33:05pm

re: #152 MandyManners

Bite my sweet, round, white ass.

You sweet talker you!

/foreplay

166 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:33:26pm

re: #157 Spare O'Lake

Thanks, I needed that.

I'm not proficient in Mandy speak I guess...... it's all good.

167 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:33:49pm

re: #165 Racer X

You sweet talker you!

/foreplay

Foreplay. Get in the truck, bitch.

168 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:33:54pm

re: #149 cliffster

That's awesome, Mandy. Reminds me of the guy that played defense when I was in high school. 5'8", probably 180. 180 pounds of solid aggression. He played middle linebacker. MIDDLE LINEBACKER. And he was good. That little dude was quick, explosive, and absolutely insane between the snap and the whistle. Instincts - you can't teach them

Yeah, I'm all about Id.

169 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:34:25pm

re: #146 NJDhockeyfan

Lebanon's Hizballah Museum: A Theme Park for Martyrdom

I wonder if they will borrow Farfur from Hamas for the kids to enjoy?

Farfur is dead. He is no more. Bereft of life, he rests in peace. If that black Mossad officer hadn't buried him under concrete, he'd be pushing up the daisies. That is an ex-Terrormouse.

170 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:34:29pm

re: #162 AntonSirius

It could be a van-shaped hotel.

I should rent out vans on the beach here. Thanks.

171 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:34:38pm

re: #151 Mr Pancakes

My, that was awfully testy without a sarc tag.

Sarc tag?

Please.

172 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:34:52pm

re: #161 SanFranciscoZionist

Yep, WWP. They lack a moral leg to stand on when talking about invading places.

Yeah, I mean really, I didn't like invading Iraq but those clowns had blatant double standards and as I may have also mentioned, I hated them badmouthing Israel while not talking one word about Sudan. As I've said in the past, I was more a moonbat in Bush's 1st term, attended ANSWER rallies and all that but I turned against them the more I learned.

173 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:35:05pm

re: #171 MandyManners

Sarc tag?

Please.

Hey I'm new!

174 Kragar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:35:08pm

re: #171 MandyManners

Sarc tag?

Please.

Here you go.

/

175 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:35:22pm

Personally, I have never believed that being able to beat another person senseless is a sign of character.

So why do we swoon when kidz show an aptitude for doing just that in a fucking football uniform?

Channeled Neanderthalism is still Neanderthal.

176 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:36:23pm

re: #175 Cato the Elder

Shows dedication to the team. Adults do it as well.

177 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:36:49pm

re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist

Farfur is dead. He is no more. Bereft of life, he rests in peace. If that black Mossad officer hadn't buried him under concrete, he'd be pushing up the daisies. That is an ex-Terrormouse.

Did they change it's name to Jimmy Hoffa before they buried it?

178 Racer X  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:37:06pm

Of all major religions in America, Muslims really like Obama the most

As a group, Americans of the Muslim faith give Barack Obama the highest job approval rating of any major religion.

A new Gallup Poll of 275,000 adults this morning finds that while the Democrat's overall approval ratings have dropped across all faiths -- even those Americans without any -- Muslims continue to approve of him the most. And you'll never guess which faith based in Utah thinks the least of the 44th president's job.

Seventy-eight percent of Muslims (down from 86% after Obama's inauguration) now approve of the president's 19-month job performance, while less than one-in-four Mormons (24%) do (down from 43%).

Catholics' job approval has fallen from 67% to 50%. Protestants' from 58% to 43%. Jews' from 77% to 61%. Other non-Christian religions' from 74% to 64%. And atheist/agnostic from 75% to 63%, believe it or not.

Overall, Gallup finds Americans' approval of Obama's job has dropped in the same time-span from 63% to 48%.

While consistently declining across faiths, Obama, who describes his own faith as Christian, has lost more among Mormons and least among Muslims, a group his administration has made special outreach efforts toward.

A separate poll last week (see Related Items below) found that nearly one-in-five Americans thought Obama himself was Muslim, while nearly halfway through his term, nearly half of the country didn't know what faith Obama holds.

179 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:38:03pm

re: #169 SanFranciscoZionist

Farfur is dead. He is no more. Bereft of life, he rests in peace. If that black Mossad officer hadn't buried him under concrete, he'd be pushing up the daisies. That is an ex-Terrormouse.

Who do they have now anyhow? I've lost track. I saw Nazhoul the crazy bumble bee at the Gaza zoo taunting the lions.

180 Killgore Trout  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:38:13pm

re: #175 Cato the Elder

Personally, I have never believed that being able to beat another person senseless is a sign of character.

So why do we swoon when kidz show an aptitude for doing just that in a fucking football uniform?

Channeled Neanderthalism is still Neanderthal.

Because the only thing that separates us from cavemen is about 4 days without electricity. Your neighbors will cave your skull in with a rock over a can of beans.

181 Racer X  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:38:29pm

re: #176 Cannadian Club Akbar

Shows dedication to the team. Adults do it as well.

Its a good fucking thing too. Otherwise, we would all be speaking German today.

182 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:38:52pm

re: #173 Mr Pancakes

Hey I'm new!

No, you're not.

183 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:39:18pm

re: #160 MandyManners

Howdy, Marjorie.

Careful. You're getting Racer excited.

185 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:40:32pm

re: #158 Cannadian Club Akbar

If you're gonna live down by the river, it has to be in a van.

LOL
In the middle of a move...( we do this every 3 years ) My senses are at a razor edge... I like my new place in Oklahoma...Hate moving..Hate Hate Hate..

186 cliffster  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:40:45pm

re: #175 Cato the Elder

"civilized" doesn't mean what you think it means

187 Kragar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:41:40pm

re: #186 cliffster

"civilized" doesn't mean what you think it means

Civilized means you have strict rules of how you will sneak up and crush your opponent's head with a rock while he sleeps.

188 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:41:43pm

re: #185 HoosierHoops

LOL
In the middle of a move...( we do this every 3 years ) My senses are at a razor edge... I like my new place in Oklahoma...Hate moving..Hate Hate Hate..

Is you couch there yet? I need a new beginning...
///

189 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:41:44pm

Mexico is quickly becoming a very dangerous shithole. I can understand why a lot of them want to come here.

Lead investigator in Mexico massacre is missing

A lead investigator and another official looking into the massacre of 72 migrants whose bodies were found this week in northern Mexico are missing, President Felipe Calderon said Friday.

Calderon, who was giving a speech on drug violence, initially said the body of one of the men had been found. But he was handed a note few minutes later and corrected himself, saying the investigator was missing but there was no information about his death.

Mexican media reported Friday morning that two bodies had been found and that one of them belonged to the investigator.

The attorney general's office in Tamaulipas state, where the bodies of the 72 migrants were found Tuesday, identified the investigator as Roberto Jaime Suarez Vazquez. The news release did not name the other man other than to say he is a municipal police officer in San Fernando.

Both men disappeared Wednesday afternoon, the attorney general's office said.

190 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:42:03pm

re: #175 Cato the Elder

Personally, I have never believed that being able to beat another person senseless is a sign of character.

So why do we swoon when kidz show an aptitude for doing just that in a fucking football uniform?

Channeled Neanderthalism is still Neanderthal.

Someday before I die there are a few people I'd like to beat senseless ..... probably not going to happen.

191 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:42:12pm

re: #175 Cato the Elder

Personally, I have never believed that being able to beat another person senseless is a sign of character.

So why do we swoon when kidz show an aptitude for doing just that in a fucking football uniform?

Channeled Neanderthalism is still Neanderthal.

BECAUSE IT IS SANCTIONED VIOLENCE.

BTW, whenever in my tale about The Kid have I EVER mentioned "beating another person senseless"?

192 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:42:29pm
193 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:42:47pm

re: #186 cliffster

"civilized" doesn't mean what you think it means

I do not recall using that word on this thread.

Rooting for "the team" to beat the shit out of the other team is about the stupidest thing I can imagine, though.

It's like rooting for a brown bear who hates Jews.

194 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:42:47pm

re: #175 Cato the Elder

Personally, I have never believed that being able to beat another person senseless is a sign of character.

So why do we swoon when kidz show an aptitude for doing just that in a fucking football uniform?

Channeled Neanderthalism is still Neanderthal.

Nah, football is all about taking real estate. The violence is purely incidental.

195 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:43:21pm

re: #189 NJDhockeyfan

Mexico is quickly becoming a very dangerous shithole. I can understand why a lot of them want to come here.

Lead investigator in Mexico massacre is missing

He's dead, Jim.
[Link: www.guardian.co.uk...]

196 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:43:50pm

re: #187 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Civilized means you have strict rules of how you will sneak up and crush your opponent's head with a rock while he sleeps.

*Standing behind Krager, holding rock* Wait, you have to be asleep first? What a jip.

*Marches off, grumbling*

/

197 wee fury  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:44:02pm

re: #194 Spare O'Lake

Nah, football is all about taking real estate. The violence is purely incidental.

Yes. Kinda like Monopoly.

198 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:44:03pm

re: #189 NJDhockeyfan

Mexico is quickly becoming a very dangerous shithole. I can understand why a lot of them want to come here.

Lead investigator in Mexico massacre is missing

It amazes me that folks still go there for vacations.

199 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:44:14pm

re: #191 MandyManners

BECAUSE IT IS SANCTIONED VIOLENCE.

BTW, whenever in my tale about The Kid have I EVER mentioned "beating another person senseless"?

You wrote very recently about The Kid tackling another kid who laughed at him, outside the confines of the "game".

And you were proud and delighted.

Carry on.

200 Racer X  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:45:33pm

Americans coming to dislike Harry Reid almost as much as they dislike fellow Democrat Nancy Pelosi

Nevada Democratic Sen. Harry Reid is catching up to fellow Democrat House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of California in terms of being disliked by Americans nationally.

A new poll out from Rasmussen Reports finds that, of course, a majority of Americans dislike both of the Democratic legislative leaders who lead one of the least popular and less trusted institutions in American society.

For much of this year, the crusty Reid's unfavorable ratings lagged within the once-impressive 40% range, while Pelosi's unfavorables have consistently led her male powerbroker in the more impressive 50+% range.

But now thanks to both of them carrying the heavy congressional water for Barack Obama's controversial and expensive legislative agenda while the president boosted his own unfavorable rating to majority status, Reid has been able to close to within screaming distance in the unfavorable gap with Pelosi, who's next in line to the presidency after the VP.

Rasmussen finds that 59% of Americans have an unfavorable opinion of the 11-term House member from San Francisco, while the four-term Reid now trails Pelosi by only 3 points at 56% unfavorable. Both politicians are 70 years old.

The same poll also finds Reid trailing Pelosi in favorable ratings, 26-34.

With Republicans now building a seven-point lead in generic congressional ballot polls, both Democrats face reelection campaigns and the voters on Nov. 2. Fortunately for both career politicians, those elections are local, not national.

201 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:45:34pm

re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist

Farfour the Mouse, Nahoul the Bee and Assud the Rabbit are all deceased.

There is literally no way to satirize this show. It reminds me of the 'Rocks!' ad from the "Saddam and Osama" cartoon superheroes show. But that was a joke.

I can't believe some try to spin it as not being promoting violence. They had Farfour made in to a frigging martyr for pete's sake. I mean having a nine year old brother, I realize that kids shows these days are bizzare but Tomorrow's Pioneers is obviously trying to incite shit.

202 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:45:35pm

re: #198 Spare O'Lake

It amazes me that folks still go there for vacations.

Right now I'd rather spend a week in Beirut. I bet it's safer there.

203 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:45:47pm

re: #199 Cato the Elder

Sometimes people, whatever age, need to be punched in the face. Where is Rouge when I need him.

204 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:46:00pm

re: #193 Cato the Elder

I do not recall using that word on this thread.

Rooting for "the team" to beat the shit out of the other team is about the stupidest thing I can imagine, though.

It's like rooting for a brown bear who hates Jews.

Meds a bit off tonight?

206 Kragar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:46:12pm

re: #196 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

*Standing behind Krager, holding rock* Wait, you have to be asleep first? What a jip.

*Marches off, grumbling*

/

My cunning plan works again.

207 cliffster  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:46:33pm

re: #193 Cato the Elder

I do not recall using that word on this thread.

Rooting for "the team" to beat the shit out of the other team is about the stupidest thing I can imagine, though.

It's like rooting for a brown bear who hates Jews.

whatever, dude. It's a model for what's right with humanity. There's violence, but there's rules. We can't escape who we are, but we can structure it..

208 Racer X  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:47:22pm

re: #203 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sometimes people, whatever age, need to be punched in the face.

They do. I think someone recently found that out the hard way, when they lipped off to the wrong person in the meat world.

209 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:47:34pm

re: #205 Dark_Falcon

He'll hopefully end up as some Israeli's rug.

Well, the odds are good. These...critters...don't have much of a life expectancy.

210 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:50:09pm

re: #199 Cato the Elder

You wrote very recently about The Kid tackling another kid who laughed at him, outside the confines of the "game".

And you were proud and delighted.

Carry on.

Wrong,

Post the post, Cato.

Do it.

211 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:50:24pm

re: #207 cliffster

whatever, dude. It's a model for what's right with humanity. There's violence, but there's rules. We can't escape who we are, but we can structure it..

Fuck football.

212 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:50:47pm

re: #209 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, the odds are good. These...critters...don't have much of a life expectancy.

Much like the martyrs they're trying to mold out of those children.

"We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us." - Golda Meir

213 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:51:33pm

re: #209 SanFranciscoZionist

Well, the odds are good. These...critters...don't have much of a life expectancy.

It's part of the plan to manipulate the Children. Make them hate the Israelis for "killing their favorite characters". It's really quite smart, in a utterly depraved way. The Nazis would have loved this tactic and so would Mao and Stalin.

214 webevintage  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:52:41pm

Netflix now has an app for iphone and itouch for their instant streaming thingee.
Works great.

215 captdiggs  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:53:22pm

re: #192 SanFranciscoZionist

Farfour the Mouse, Nahoul the Bee and Assud the rabbit are all deceased.

There is literally no way to satirize this show. It reminds me of the 'Rocks!' ad from the "Saddam and Osama" cartoon superheroes show. But that was a joke.

Assud the Rabbit was the top psychotic character. He not only wanted to kill Jews, he wanted to eat them.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

216 Racer X  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:53:24pm

re: #211 Cato the Elder

Fuck football.

Sacrilege!

That sir, has earned my first down ding in months.

217 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:53:58pm

re: #215 captdiggs

Assud the Rabbit was the top psychotic character. He not only wanted to kill Jews, he wanted to eat them.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Yea, remember seeing that. I thought rabbits were vegaterians. I guess not Assud.

218 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:54:19pm

re: #214 webevintage

Netflix now has an app for iphone and itouch for their instant streaming thingee.
Works great.

Oh? How much.

219 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:55:08pm

re: #216 Racer X

Sacrilege!

That sir, has earned my first down ding in months.

That's why I said that.

You fulfill all my expectations.

You complete me.

220 efuseakay  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:55:31pm

re: #25 Charles

"There's an app for that."

221 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:55:40pm

re: #199 Cato the Elder

You wrote very recently about The Kid tackling another kid who laughed at him, outside the confines of the "game".

And you were proud and delighted.

Carry on.

Cato..Be easy..Have you ever read the stories of me playing sports as a kid?
Parents love kids playing sports...

222 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:56:14pm

re: #218 HappyWarrior

Oh? How much.

The app's free, the Netflix membership ain't.

I'm seriously considering signing up, as between my iPod Touch, my XBox 360, and my PC, I've got several options for watching a movie anytime.

223 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:56:26pm

re: #221 HoosierHoops

Cato..Be easy..Have you ever read the stories of me playing sports as a kid?
Parents love kids playing sports...

Parents can be idiots.

224 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:56:45pm

re: #213 Dark_Falcon

It's part of the plan to manipulate the Children. Make them hate the Israelis for "killing their favorite characters". It's really quite smart, in a utterly depraved way. The Nazis would have loved this tactic and so would Mao and Stalin.

Teach, your children well
Their father's hell
Did slowly go by
And feed them on your dreams
The one they pick's
The one you'll know by...
- Graham Nash

225 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:57:01pm

re: #221 HoosierHoops

Cato..Be easy..Have you ever read the stories of me playing sports as a kid?
Parents love kids playing sports...

I worked with a guy who was a cheerleader...at FSU. He was a little douche. I fucking hated him.

226 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:57:21pm

re: #224 Spare O'Lake

Teach, your children well
Their father's hell
Did slowly go by
And feed them on your dreams
The one they pick's
The one you'll know by...
- Graham Nash

That song makes me want to smoke a joint.

227 Racer X  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:57:50pm

re: #219 Cato the Elder

That's why I said that.

You fulfill all my expectations.

You complete me.

If I had a dime for every time I've heard that line.

228 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:58:00pm

re: #222 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The app's free, the Netflix membership ain't.

I'm seriously considering signing up, as between my iPod Touch, my XBox 360, and my PC, I've got several options for watching a movie anytime.

I just can't find any reason to sit down somewhere and watch TV shows or movies on my phone.

229 HappyWarrior  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:58:05pm

re: #222 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The app's free, the Netflix membership ain't.

I'm seriously considering signing up, as between my iPod Touch, my XBox 360, and my PC, I've got several options for watching a movie anytime.

Yeah, I think I may look in to that as I have a Netflix membership. I tell you what's great is having a PS3 which is great because you have a next generation system and a Blu-Ray Player. Need to start buying blu-rays instead of DVDs soon this said.

230 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:58:16pm

re: #227 Racer X

If I had a dime for every time I've heard that line.

You'd be fine?
/

231 cliffster  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:58:17pm

re: #223 Mr Pancakes

Parents can be idiots.

c'mon, man, really?

232 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:58:30pm

re: #224 Spare O'Lake

Teach, your children well
Their father's hell
Did slowly go by
And feed them on your dreams
The one they pick's
The one you'll know by...
- Graham Nash

They fuck you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another's throats.

Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don't have any kids yourself.

Philip Larkin

233 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:58:45pm

re: #210 MandyManners

Wrong,

Post the post, Cato.

Do it.

Very well.

Oh, in triplicate! The HS coach noticed him two years ago at football camp and said he had what it takes. (That was the time another player laughed at him for missing a tackle. The Kid got up and sent him flying, onto his ass. The Kid was eight and the laugher was 13 and is now a HS tackle.)

Sanctioned violence. How thrilling.

234 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:59:33pm

re: #232 SanFranciscoZionist

I take it Phil was a bitter fellow.

235 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:59:37pm

re: #231 cliffster

c'mon, man, really?

Yea...... I put my kids in soccer....... I witnessed parents being complete dicks.

236 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 8:59:58pm

re: #226 Mr Pancakes

Sometimes I cry.

237 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:00:00pm

I want the Dog Whisperer to get attacked. Does that make me a bad guy?

238 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:00:06pm

re: #231 cliffster

c'mon, man, really?

Parents can't be idiots?

News to most kids.

239 AntonSirius  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:00:07pm

re: #207 cliffster

whatever, dude. It's a model for what's right with humanity. There's violence, but there's rules. We can't escape who we are, but we can structure it..

That's what we have the military for.

240 Racer X  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:00:58pm

re: #233 Cato the Elder

OMG!

What a fucking neanderthal! I hope someone took a video and reported that incident to the authorities! That little rapscallion should be kicked off the team!

241 Mocking Jay  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:01:01pm

re: #214 webevintage

Netflix now has an app for iphone and itouch for their instant streaming thingee.
Works great.

You can't stop the signal.

242 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:01:09pm

re: #234 marjoriemoon

I take it Phil was a bitter fellow.

I know nothing about him. I learned the poem through Jennifer Weiner's first novel--the heroine recites it for her brother and sister at Christmas, as they burn the rainbow knitted items given to them by their mother's much younger, and deeply obnoxious, girlfriend.

243 SanFranciscoZionist  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:01:25pm

re: #237 Cannadian Club Akbar

I want the Dog Whisperer to get attacked. Does that make me a bad guy?

I love Cesar!!

244 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:01:36pm

re: #228 NJDhockeyfan

I just can't find any reason to sit down somewhere and watch TV shows or movies on my phone.

I don't know, I've had plenty of truly boring periods at work where, if not for my iPod, I'd have slowly lost my mind. Not to mention various appointments, waiting rooms, and so forth.

245 cliffster  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:02:01pm

re: #238 Cato the Elder

context, cato

246 webevintage  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:02:25pm

re: #218 HappyWarrior

Oh? How much.

you have to be a netflix subscriber to use the instant streaming....

247 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:02:50pm

re: #243 SanFranciscoZionist

I love Cesar!!

I love rabid pit bulls.
/ok, I'm kidding.

248 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:04:01pm

The biggest, best, earliest, and longest-lasting lesson I learned from "sports" is this:

I hate and fear humans in groups larger than seven.

249 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:04:05pm

re: #242 SanFranciscoZionist

I know nothing about him. I learned the poem through Jennifer Weiner's first novel--the heroine recites it for her brother and sister at Christmas, as they burn the rainbow knitted items given to them by their mother's much younger, and deeply obnoxious, girlfriend.

I like to think of it that we stand on our parents' shoulders, a little taller and a little wiser. But I'm an optimistic cynic (I go in and out).

250 webevintage  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:04:23pm

re: #228 NJDhockeyfan

I just can't find any reason to sit down somewhere and watch TV shows or movies on my phone.

I thought I would NEVER watch TV on something so small, but the other day I wanted to rewatch a Doctor Who episode from this past season.
In bed.
So I got it off itunes and watched it.
Small screen, fantastic picture.

251 jaunte  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:04:47pm

re: #248 Cato the Elder

So.... it's tetherball, then.

252 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:05:17pm

re: #251 jaunte

So... it's tetherball, then.

I used to rule that game.

253 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:06:00pm

re: #251 jaunte

So... it's tetherball, then.

Rofl! Backgammon!

254 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:06:28pm

re: #252 Cannadian Club Akbar

I used to rule that game.

I rocked at 4 square.

255 jaunte  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:06:33pm

re: #252 Cannadian Club Akbar

Just thinking of sports no one really wants to watch.

256 Kragar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:06:34pm

What is the Monkeysphere?

First, picture a monkey. A monkey dressed like a little pirate, if that helps you. We'll call him Slappy.

Imagine you have Slappy as a pet. Imagine a personality for him. Maybe you and he have little pirate monkey adventures and maybe even join up to fight crime. Think how sad you'd be if Slappy died.

Now, imagine you get four more monkeys. We'll call them Tito, Bubbles, Marcel and ShitTosser. Imagine personalities for each of them now. Maybe one is aggressive, one is affectionate, one is quiet, the other just throws shit all the time. But they're all your personal monkey friends.

Now imagine a hundred monkeys.

Not so easy now, is it? So how many monkeys would you have to own before you couldn't remember their names? At what point, in your mind, do your beloved pets become just a faceless sea of monkey? Even though each one is every bit the monkey Slappy was, there's a certain point where you will no longer really care if one of them dies.

So how many monkeys would it take before you stopped caring?

That's not a rhetorical question. We actually know the number.

257 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:07:24pm

re: #255 jaunte

Just thinking of sports no one really wants to watch.

Like curling?

258 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:08:02pm

re: #257 Cannadian Club Akbar

Like curling?

I'd rather watch curling than golf.

259 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:08:05pm

re: #257 Cannadian Club Akbar

Like curling?

Dude, curling rules!

260 jaunte  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:08:28pm

re: #257 Cannadian Club Akbar

Much more action than shuffleboard.

261 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:08:34pm

re: #251 jaunte

So... it's tetherball, then.

Ping-pong is also quite - civilized.

262 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:08:48pm

re: #258 Mr Pancakes

I'd rather watch curling than golf.

re: #259 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Dude, curling rules!

You're both un American.
//

263 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:09:30pm

re: #262 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #259 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You're both un American.
//

Nah.... I just hate golf

264 Kragar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:09:33pm

re: #257 Cannadian Club Akbar

Like curling?

International women's curling?

Image: privivkova.jpg

265 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:09:34pm

re: #232 SanFranciscoZionist

I usually choke up.

266 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:09:53pm

re: #262 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #259 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You're both un American.
//

Sacre bleu!

/

267 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:10:01pm

re: #261 Cato the Elder

Ping-pong is also quite - civilized.

Forrest Gump ruled that game.

268 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:11:46pm

re: #267 NJDhockeyfan

Forrest Gump ruled that game.

My Filipino neighbor beat me at ping pong once with a frying pan ..... left handed.

269 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:11:57pm

re: #256 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Brilliant.

I once read a philosopher who proved that the death of an entire species means less to an individual member of that species than the individual's own personal death.

Which is, succinctly put, the reason why humans will never "band together" to stop an amorphous threat like AGW.

270 Digital Display  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:12:33pm

re: #257 Cannadian Club Akbar

Like curling?


Those were the days my friend
We thought they would never end
We played Ball on the court..Forever by the day
Those were the days my friend
We thought they would never end
Those were the days..Yes those were the days

271 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:13:04pm

re: #270 HoosierHoops

Those were the days my friend
We thought they would never end
We played Ball on the court..Forever by the day
Those were the days my friend
We thought they would never end
Those were the days..Yes those were the days

That song makes me want to smoke a joint.

272 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:13:15pm

re: #264 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

International women's curling?

Image: privivkova.jpg

Very nice.

273 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:13:44pm

re: #267 NJDhockeyfan

Forrest Gump ruled that game.

Funny - I once met a redneck who thought that movie was actually a documentary.

274 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:13:54pm

re: #271 Mr Pancakes

That song makes me want to smoke a joint.

What doesn't make you want to smoke a joint?

275 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:14:31pm

re: #273 Cato the Elder

Funny - I once met a redneck who thought that movie was actually a documentary.

PLEASE tell me you're lying.

276 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:14:59pm

re: #273 Cato the Elder

Funny - I once met a redneck who thought that movie was actually a documentary.

It's not?
/

277 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:15:13pm

re: #274 Cannadian Club Akbar

What doesn't make you want to smoke a joint?

That song "Feelings.... nothing more than feelings".

278 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:15:14pm

re: #262 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #259 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

You're both un American.
//

What's wrong with curling?

279 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:15:15pm

re: #275 Cannadian Club Akbar

PLEASE tell me you're lying.

Nope.

When have I ever lied to you?

280 Kragar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:16:07pm

re: #269 Cato the Elder

Brilliant.

I once read a philosopher who proved that the death of an entire species means less to an individual member of that species than the individual's own personal death.

Which is, succinctly put, the reason why humans will never "band together" to stop an amorphous threat like AGW.

Historically, banding together into manageable groups and killing the opposition is how humanity deals with any threat.

Screw sports, learn to shoot.

281 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:16:14pm

re: #271 Mr Pancakes

That song makes me want to smoke a joint.

*offers bong* Will this do instead?

282 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:16:36pm

re: #27 NJDhockeyfan

No but I make some fantastic homemade hot sauce from the peppers & tomatoes growing in my garden. It's been approved by every religious group except Westboro Baptist Church. Apparently God hates hot sauce, it makes you become a homosexual.

Damn. And here I thawt it made you hawt.

283 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:16:42pm

re: #279 Cato the Elder

Nope.

When have I ever lied to you?

Cato has never lied to me. Full disclosure.

284 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:16:57pm

re: #269 Cato the Elder

Brilliant.

I once read a philosopher who proved that the death of an entire species means less to an individual member of that species than the individual's own personal death.

Which is, succinctly put, the reason why humans will never "band together" to stop an amorphous threat like AGW.

Still, you might be able to sell it piecemeal by stressing the benefits of each piece to individual people.

285 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:17:29pm

re: #278 b_sharp

What's wrong with curling?

It's more boring than golf.

286 Mocking Jay  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:17:58pm

Time to get some shut eye.

I saw tail lights last night in a dream about my first wife.
Everybody leaves and I'd expect as much from you.
I saw tail lights last night in a dream about my old life.
Everybody leaves, so why, why wouldn't you?

The Gaslight Anthem "Great Expectations"

287 cliffster  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:18:00pm

re: #285 Cannadian Club Akbar

fuck off

288 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:18:25pm

re: #274 Cannadian Club Akbar

What doesn't make you want to smoke a joint?

Barry Manilow. He makes me want to push sewing needles into my eyes.

289 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:18:44pm

re: #274 Cannadian Club Akbar

What doesn't make you want to smoke a joint?

Here ya go.

290 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:18:57pm

re: #287 cliffster

fuck off

Tiger had his best round in, like, 2 years.
*I actually like golf*

291 Kragar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:19:29pm

re: #289 Spare O'Lake

Here ya go.

Son of a bitch

292 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:19:33pm

re: #285 Cannadian Club Akbar

It's more boring than golf.

When Tiger's caddy starts vigorously sweeping the putt path ... I'll agree.

293 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:19:56pm

re: #280 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Historically, banding together into manageable groups and killing the opposition is how humanity deals with any threat.

Screw sports, learn to shoot.

Sports are nothing more than highly restrained, somewhat civilized war, using wimpy weapons.

294 cliffster  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:20:11pm

re: #290 Cannadian Club Akbar

Tiger had his best round in, like, 2 years.
*I actually like golf*

Didn't do too good today though. He missed a 1 foot putt! I don't know if it was actually one foot, but it was less than two feet.. I think he'll win this week.

295 freetoken  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:20:12pm

If you remember, a few days ago I mentioned Pawlenty's new book (proof of his Presidential ambitions), and the cover photo of it and how familiar it seemed (being quite close to The Sarah's often used picture.)

Anyway, today...

Pawlenty: Any book-cover similarity with Palin unintentional

Any similarity between Sarah Palin's book cover and the cover of Tim Pawlenty's upcoming book wasn't purposeful, the Minnesota governor and possible 2012 presidential candidate said.

"I don't know if it looks like it or not but we certainly didn't intend it that way," Pawlenty said Friday. The Palin-enty vibe was first noticed by a Vanity Fair blogger on Tuesday but Pawlenty said no one had raised it with him.

Your hotdisher failed to ask the governor about the similarity between his subtitle, "An American story" and her subtitle, "An American Life."

Here's Vanity Fair's side by side of the two bio books...

If you believe Pawlenty's claim, I've got a bridge in Minneapolis I'll sell you...

296 AntonSirius  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:21:22pm

re: #263 Mr Pancakes

Nah... I just hate golf

I thought we were talking about sports. Golf isn't a sport.

297 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:21:49pm

re: #295 freetoken

Not the one that collapsed? I'll need a discount.

298 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:21:56pm

re: #296 AntonSirius

I thought we were talking about sports. Golf isn't a sport.

No, it's a four-letter word.

/

299 wee fury  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:22:05pm

re: #295 freetoken
I don't think they look at all alike. They aren't even the same sex.

300 jaunte  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:22:08pm

re: #295 freetoken

Let's see a side by side with Pawlenty's book cover and this:
Image: brawny-paper.jpg

301 Kragar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:22:18pm

re: #293 b_sharp

Sports are nothing more than highly restrained, somewhat civilized war, using wimpy weapons.

A waste of time. Train for real.

302 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:22:19pm

The firm I work for sponsors an innercity school and we do various fundraisers throughout the year. Today, we gave 65 backpacks with school supplies to the kids.

Anyway, I have this thing about making items "gender neutral", meaning that I don't believe that only black and navy colors are for boys and yellow and pink colors are for girls. One of the women in my office is the opposite. She makes sure that the yellow scissors goes with the yellow pencil case in the pink backpack, etc. And that's fine. It's no biggie, but they know I like to mix it all up.

Variety. Spice of life and all that.

So we get to the school today and each child gets to pick a backpack. One little boy selected a black pack with a pink stripe down the front and pink piping. Immediately, all my coworkers looked at me and laughed. "Well, I guess Marj is happy!" And I was.

Dare to be different. Right on.

303 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:22:54pm

May I just, before retiring, apologize to any actual Neanderthals who also happen to be Lizards?

I did not mean to lump you all together in an altogether lumpy way.

304 cliffster  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:23:00pm

re: #296 AntonSirius

I thought we were talking about sports. Golf isn't a sport.

spoken like someone who has never played golf. hehe

305 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:23:04pm

re: #285 Cannadian Club Akbar

It's more boring than golf.

Throwing rocks is never boring. Especially when death is on the line.

306 Spare O'Lake  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:23:16pm

re: #298 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

No, it's a four-letter word.

/

Golf is based on the ancient Indian game of whackenfuck.

307 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:23:52pm

re: #302 marjoriemoon

I only buy pink lighters. Wanna know why? No one will steal a pink lighter. Words to live by.

308 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:24:10pm

re: #302 marjoriemoon

I am so in love with you.

309 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:24:51pm

re: #301 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A waste of time. Train for real.

Like the Mayans.

310 Kragar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:24:53pm

Damn, my game got cancelled. Buddy has to work this weekend.

311 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:25:04pm

re: #308 Cato the Elder

I am so in love with you.

I said that to her earlier this week. Back off.
//

312 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:25:12pm

re: #308 Cato the Elder

I am so in love with you.

lol kiss kiss hug hug

I like you better when you're sentimental.

313 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:25:18pm

re: #303 Cato the Elder

May I just, before retiring, apologize to any actual Neanderthals who also happen to be Lizards?

I did not mean to lump you all together in an altogether lumpy way.

*Grunt* You forgiven.

/

314 What, me worry?  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:25:39pm

**swoon**

315 jaunte  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:25:41pm

re: #309 b_sharp

Like the Mayans.

They must have had a hard time running tournaments.

316 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:25:47pm

re: #296 AntonSirius

I thought we were talking about sports. Golf isn't a sport.

Thank you......... a sport can be defined by the ability to defend against your opponent. Therefore golf is not a sport.

317 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:26:04pm

re: #307 Cannadian Club Akbar

I only buy pink lighters. Wanna know why? No one will steal a pink lighter. Words to live by.

I actually met a guy the other day at the booze store who was buying a pink lighter for that very reason.

Me, if I were destitute for a lighter, I'd probably steal a pink "Hello Kitty" one, because no guy who lives by those words would ever see it comin'.

318 AntonSirius  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:27:13pm

re: #295 freetoken

If you remember, a few days ago I mentioned Pawlenty's new book (proof of his Presidential ambitions), and the cover photo of it and how familiar it seemed (being quite close to The Sarah's often used picture.)

Anyway, today...

Pawlenty: Any book-cover similarity with Palin unintentional

If you believe Pawlenty's claim, I've got a bridge in Minneapolis I'll sell you...

So, umm, anyone wearing red from this point forward is just imitating Palin?

The two covers look nothing alike.

319 lostlakehiker  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:27:32pm

re: #269 Cato the Elder

Brilliant.

I once read a philosopher who proved that the death of an entire species means less to an individual member of that species than the individual's own personal death.

Which is, succinctly put, the reason why humans will never "band together" to stop an amorphous threat like AGW.

But that is not true. The observed behavior of soldiers in war, and family members in a flood or other disaster, is that as a general rule, someone will give their life to save the life of an identical twin, two brothers/sisters/children, etc. In other words, we calculate degree of consanguinity and count our own life as worth what it's worth in terms of biological extended fitness.

With soldiers, it's not a matter of actual consanguinity, but assumed---that's why the talk of "band of brothers".

Now, how much is the life of your nation worth to you? Or your share of your nation? The answer is it's complicated, but still, a lot. We do, in fact, band together in the face of any evident mortal threat. It doesn't have to be an immediate threat; people do look ahead.

The danger is not that we will just meekly succumb to a known danger without ever lifting a hand in defense of our posterity, but that we will fail to understand that we are lobsters and that the pot is gradually getting unbearably hot.

320 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:28:18pm

re: #317 Cato the Elder

I actually met a guy the other day at the booze store who was buying a pink lighter for that very reason.

Me, if I were destitute for a lighter, I'd probably steal a pink "Hello Kitty" one, because no guy who lives by those words would ever see it comin'.

My brothers GF has a Hello Kitty sticker on her car. A Hello Kitty air freshener and Hello Kitty jammies. I hate that fucking Kitty.

321 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:28:52pm

re: #295 freetoken

If you remember, a few days ago I mentioned Pawlenty's new book (proof of his Presidential ambitions), and the cover photo of it and how familiar it seemed (being quite close to The Sarah's often used picture.)

Anyway, today...

Pawlenty: Any book-cover similarity with Palin unintentional

If you believe Pawlenty's claim, I've got a bridge in Minneapolis I'll sell you...

Book covers? Yawn...major nontroversy.

322 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:30:27pm

re: #315 jaunte

They must have had a hard time running tournaments.

Probably only used single elimination.

323 freetoken  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:31:37pm

re: #300 jaunte

Hehe... the "Brawny electorate" we'll call their supporters.

324 freetoken  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:32:27pm

re: #321 NJDhockeyfan

Book covers? Yawn...major nontroversy.

Do you even have a clue as to why I posted about it to begin with?

325 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:32:36pm

re: #319 lostlakehiker

The danger is not that we will just meekly succumb to a known danger without ever lifting a hand in defense of our posterity, but that we will fail to understand that we are lobsters and that the pot is gradually getting unbearably hot.

I think that was his point.........

326 AntonSirius  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:33:24pm

re: #304 cliffster

spoken like someone who has never played golf. hehe

Spoken like someone who's been brainwashed into thinking golf's a real sport.

327 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:33:56pm

re: #325 Mr Pancakes

I think that was his point...

Lobsters need to be dropped into a pot of water already boiling. Just sayin'.
/

328 blueraven  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:34:36pm

re: #294 cliffster

Didn't do too good today though. He missed a 1 foot putt! I don't know if it was actually one foot, but it was less than two feet.. I think he'll win this week.

In my world that's a "gimme". I think he will win too. Hope so, golf needs Tiger.

329 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:34:46pm

re: #326 AntonSirius

Spoken like someone who's been brainwashed into thinking golf's a real sport.

Walk 5000 yards and swing a stick 100 times.

330 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:34:50pm

re: #324 freetoken

Do you even have a clue as to why I posted about it to begin with?

Book cover news isn't interesting enough to me. If it floats your boat, go for it.

331 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:34:52pm

re: #327 Cannadian Club Akbar

Lobsters need to be dropped into a pot of water already boiling. Just sayin'.
/

I had a lobster pizza tonight........ don't tell Brookly

332 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:35:23pm

re: #320 Cannadian Club Akbar

My brothers GF has a Hello Kitty sticker on her car. A Hello Kitty air freshener and Hello Kitty jammies. I hate that fucking Kitty.

You shouldn't, though.

"Hello Kitty" is Japanese porn code for "I like it rough and kinky".

Your brother is a lucky dude.

333 MPH  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:35:39pm

Horowitz only paid Robert Spencer $132,537 in 2008.

[Link: pdfcast.org...] (page 9)

334 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:35:47pm

re: #331 Mr Pancakes

I had a lobster pizza tonight... don't tell Brookly

Alright. Pizza should never see pineapple OR lobster. Damn you people!!!

335 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:36:31pm

re: #327 Cannadian Club Akbar

Lobsters need to be dropped into a pot of water already boiling. Just sayin'.
/

Or put in a professional steamer. Either way make sure they are served with a nice amount of melted butter.

336 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:36:35pm

re: #332 Cato the Elder

You shouldn't, though.

"Hello Kitty" is Japanese porn code for "I like it rough and kinky".

Your brother is a lucky dude.

Ya. But now I hate him!

337 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:36:41pm

re: #334 Cannadian Club Akbar

Alright. Pizza should never see pineapple OR lobster. Damn you people!!!

Ummm.... lobster get a pass.... lobster can go on anything.

338 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:36:56pm

re: #335 NJDhockeyfan

Or put in a professional steamer. Either way make sure they are served with a nice amount of melted butter.

Drawn butter.

339 cliffster  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:37:58pm

re: #326 AntonSirius

Spoken like someone who's been brainwashed into thinking golf's a real sport.

Trust me, I've played all the sports you'll likely see on TV in the US. Golf is the most difficult, by a healthy margin. Those guys on TV? It's just unbelievable, the precision those guys have.

340 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:38:03pm

re: #338 Cannadian Club Akbar

Drawn butter.

Every time I try to draw butter, it melts before I can get a good image.

341 b_sharp  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:38:18pm

re: #334 Cannadian Club Akbar

Alright. Pizza should never see pineapple OR lobster. Damn you people!!!

My grandkid had a 13" ham, pineapple and shrimp pizza tonight. He ate everything but two pieces.

342 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:38:35pm

re: #338 Cannadian Club Akbar

Drawn butter.

Yes, My memory isn't completely restored yet.

343 cliffster  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:38:37pm

re: #329 Cannadian Club Akbar

Walk 5000 yards and swing a stick 100 times.

6800, and 80, but point taken ;)

344 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:38:39pm

re: #338 Cannadian Club Akbar

Drawn butter.

I love rock lobster..... they tell me you guys have claws on your lobsters back east........ I'd like to try one someday.

345 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:39:21pm

re: #340 Cato the Elder

Every time I try to draw butter, it melts before I can get a good image.

Put it in the freezer for an hour before you begin.

346 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:39:41pm

re: #344 Mr Pancakes

I love rock lobster... they tell me you guys have claws on your lobsters back east... I'd like to try one someday.

Northern lobsters, yes. Florida lobsters, no claws.

347 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:40:27pm

re: #345 NJDhockeyfan

Put it in the freezer for an hour before you begin.

Same thing if you need to shred a soft cheese.

348 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:40:57pm

re: #344 Mr Pancakes

I love rock lobster... they tell me you guys have claws on your lobsters back east... I'd like to try one someday.

Did someone mention rock lobster?

349 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:41:50pm

re: #346 Cannadian Club Akbar

Northern lobsters, yes. Florida lobsters, no claws.

We like them Puerto Nuevo style here........ deep fried in lard.

350 AntonSirius  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:41:54pm

re: #329 Cannadian Club Akbar

Walk 5000 yards and swing a stick 100 times.

Why?

351 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:43:25pm

re: #344 Mr Pancakes

Mr Pancakes:

If you will reveal to me the first name of your newly-Americanized wife, I will write a special Catonian poem for her, to be delivered here within 24 hours, in honor of her new status.

Serious offer. One coupon per customer. Offer expires 8/31/2010. This offer not good for anything but stated purpose, and not combinable with any other offer. Cash value: 1/30 of one cent. Void where prohibited by law.

352 AntonSirius  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:43:29pm

re: #339 cliffster

Trust me, I've played all the sports you'll likely see on TV in the US. Golf is the most difficult, by a healthy margin. Those guys on TV? It's just unbelievable, the precision those guys have.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say brain surgery is more difficult, and requires more precision. Defusing bombs too. When do those guys get their endorsement deals from Nike?

353 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:43:46pm

The Canadian jihadist terrorist count in growing...

Eighth suspect sought in alleged homegrown terror plot

There are now eight suspects in a massive police probe into an alleged terror plot to bomb the Parliament buildings, the Ottawa Citizen has learned.

An early Friday arrest had raised the number of people in an alleged Ottawa terror cell to seven.

But the Citizen has learned the team carrying out the investigation, known as Project Samossa, has now identified an eighth conspirator in the homegrown terrorist bomb plot against the country’s seat of government and coalition troops in Afghanistan.

Meanwhile, on Friday, several police vehicles and a heavily armed tactical team converged on a vehicle in Ottawa, handcuffing the driver, who appeared to be in his late 20s, and searching the car.

RCMP said Friday the man has not been charged and his identity was being withheld.

354 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:44:10pm

re: #350 AntonSirius

Why?

I knew it was a fools game after shooting a 91.

355 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:44:27pm

re: #350 AntonSirius

Why?

Actually and honestly, golf is good exercise and it is all in your hands. You are playing against yourself. Very relaxing and a nice way to get outside for 4 hours. And there is the beer and hotdogs.:)

356 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:45:50pm

re: #351 Cato the Elder

Mr Pancakes:

If you will reveal to me the first name of your newly-Americanized wife, I will write a special Catonian poem for her, to be delivered here within 24 hours, in honor of her new status.

Serious offer. One coupon per customer. Offer expires 8/31/2010. This offer not good for anything but stated purpose, and not combinable with any other offer. Cash value: 1/30 of one cent. Void where prohibited by law.

Cruz

Looking forward to it Cato.... bear in mind her English is limited.

357 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:46:55pm

re: #352 AntonSirius

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say brain surgery is more difficult, and requires more precision. Defusing bombs too. When do those guys get their endorsement deals from Nike?

If they put land mines on golf courses it might make it more exciting to watch.

358 AntonSirius  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:47:00pm

re: #355 Cannadian Club Akbar

Actually and honestly, golf is good exercise and it is all in your hands. You are playing against yourself. Very relaxing and a nice way to get outside for 4 hours. And there is the beer and hotdogs.:)

Yeah, golf is good exercise. So is climbing stairs. Neither one's a sport though.

359 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:47:06pm

re: #356 Mr Pancakes

Cruz

Looking forward to it Cato... bear in mind her English is limited.

Oh woops........Catonian......... Is that kinda Spanish?

360 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:47:32pm

re: #356 Mr Pancakes

Cruz

Looking forward to it Cato... bear in mind her English is limited.

You have a wife that has limited English? Does she have a sister?
/I don't mind getting yelled at when I don't know what they're saying.

361 AntonSirius  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:48:06pm

re: #357 NJDhockeyfan

If they put land mines on golf courses it might make it more exciting to watch.

Now I have to go watch the last five minutes of Caddyshack. BRB

362 cliffster  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:48:27pm

re: #352 AntonSirius

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say brain surgery is more difficult, and requires more precision. Defusing bombs too. When do those guys get their endorsement deals from Nike?

Why would Nike sponsor a brain surgeon? Or a bomb crew?

363 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:50:10pm

re: #360 Cannadian Club Akbar

You have a wife that has limited English? Does she have a sister?
/I don't mind getting yelled at when I don't know what they're saying.

She has five sisters....... she would say "Saca la basura pendejo!" and I thought she was telling me "I love you honey"...... silly me.

364 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:51:21pm

re: #363 Mr Pancakes

Is she from Brazil?

365 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:51:32pm

re: #285 Cannadian Club Akbar

It's more boring than golf.

Curling is more interesting than billiards or NASCAR to me, which makes it a billion times more interesting than golf

366 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:51:45pm

re: #364 Cannadian Club Akbar

Is she from Brazil?

Mexico

367 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:52:35pm

re: #353 NJDhockeyfan

The Canadian jihadist terrorist count in growing...

Eighth suspect sought in alleged homegrown terror plot

Glad that plot got discovered. So far, the only attacks in North America post-9/11 that have succeeded or come close to success involved only 1-3 people. Any more and the US and Canada bust them before they can pose a real danger. That's actually pretty impressive.

368 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:52:45pm

re: #366 Mr Pancakes

Mexico

Reread it after my post. Pendejo.
/

369 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:54:08pm

re: #356 Mr Pancakes

Cruz

Looking forward to it Cato... bear in mind her English is limited.

Well, as an extra bonus, I will render it into Spanish as well. If my rather poor Spanish won't suffice (I'm better in Portuguese), I'll have my sneaky little Mexican friend, Nestor, do it for me.

370 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:54:44pm

re: #369 Cato the Elder

Well, as an extra bonus, I will render it into Spanish as well. If my rather poor Spanish won't suffice (I'm better in Portuguese), I'll have my sneaky little Mexican friend, Nestor, do it for me.

Cool... she'll love it.

371 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:55:03pm

re: #364 Cannadian Club Akbar

Is she from Brazil?

They don't speak Spanish there.

372 AntonSirius  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:55:15pm

re: #362 cliffster

Why would Nike sponsor a brain surgeon? Or a bomb crew?

Why do they sponsor golfers?

373 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:55:28pm

I love Mexican women. Even when they are yelling at you it's sexy.

374 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:56:08pm

re: #371 Cato the Elder

They don't speak Spanish there.

I know. Portuguese.

376 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:58:31pm

re: #373 Cannadian Club Akbar

I love Mexican women. Even when they are yelling at you it's sexy.

I worked in Mexico......... Although I find women to be beautiful everywhere....... I have always had a soft spot for Mexican women.

377 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:58:50pm

re: #372 AntonSirius

Why do they sponsor golfers?

Why do rock stars get free instruments and endorsement deals?

famous people sell product, that's as old as consumerism

378 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:58:55pm

re: #366 Mr Pancakes

Mexico

Miss Universe is making the world aware of the beauties of Mexico.

379 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 9:59:56pm

re: #378 NJDhockeyfan

Miss Universe is making the world aware of the beauties of Mexico.

Yea..... she did the top 10 list on Letterman last night...... gorgeous.

380 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:01:31pm

re: #374 Cannadian Club Akbar

I know. Portuguese.

Perdi o meu passaporte.
/heh

381 Targetpractice  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:01:38pm

re: #375 WindUpBird

Awesome looking documentary about rebuilding detroit with Johnny Knoxville

I am totally going to watch this

Speakin' of Johnny Knoxville, I'm definitely going to see this:

382 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:02:05pm

re: #374 Cannadian Club Akbar

I know. Portuguese.

Here's for you:

Eye candy, ear candy, mind candy, straight from Old Portugal.

Courtesy of the Rolling Stones. Seriously, they spotted her in Lisbon and made her an international fee-nom.

And for those who might wonder: traditional Portuguese music would be unthinkable without the eeevul Moorish (viz. Islamic) influence.

Minor keys! Horrible, horrible Muslim minor keys!

383 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:02:24pm

Evening Lizards. The 9th Circus blows it again.

Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars

384 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:03:41pm

re: #376 Mr Pancakes

I worked in Mexico... Although I find women to be beautiful everywhere... I have always had a soft spot for Mexican women.

I'm sure your wife is glad to know that...

385 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:04:58pm

re: #378 NJDhockeyfan

Miss Universe is making the world aware of the beauties of Mexico.

Meh. All these grrrls are too skinny for me.

386 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:05:04pm

re: #382 Cato the Elder

Here's for you:


[Video]Eye candy, ear candy, mind candy, straight from Old Portugal.

Courtesy of the Rolling Stones. Seriously, they spotted her in Lisbon and made her an international fee-nom.

And for those who might wonder: traditional Portuguese music would be unthinkable without the eeevul Moorish (viz. Islamic) influence.

Minor keys! Horrible, horrible Muslim minor keys!

Nice!

387 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:05:17pm

re: #383 Bubblehead II

Evening Lizards. The 9th Circus blows it again.

Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars

You can almost hear the extreme outrage if this had been reported 2 years ago. This report will be pushed to the back pages in a couple days if not already.

388 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:05:42pm

re: #376 Mr Pancakes

I worked in Mexico... Although I find women to be beautiful everywhere... I have always had a soft spot for Mexican women.

I like 'em all, but like brown or olive skin, as a preference, all the way to a red bone.

389 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:06:32pm

re: #385 Cato the Elder

Meh. All these grrrls are too skinny for me.

I didn't notice. They look pretty good from my laptop.

390 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:08:38pm

re: #389 NJDhockeyfan

I didn't notice. They look pretty good from my laptop.

Plus, while they are making my samich, they can make one for themselves.
/

391 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:09:07pm

re: #384 Cato the Elder

I'm sure your wife is glad to know that...

She knows......... she knew of my girlfriends in Mexico before I met her..... but she was a keeper. Gringos weren't really on her radar.

392 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:09:46pm

re: #381 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Speakin' of Johnny Knoxville, I'm definitely going to see this:


[Video]

Here's an old classic video...

393 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:12:18pm

re: #390 Cannadian Club Akbar

Plus, while they are making my samich, they can make one for themselves.
/

Ha...... You defiantly don't have a Latina woman.
/

394 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:12:47pm

re: #392 NJDhockeyfan

Here's an old classic video...


[Video]

We should make videos for homeless people. Little tips like how to get food. But, I guess we would have to make one on stealing a DVD player to watch the food video.
/

395 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:13:48pm

re: #393 Mr Pancakes

Ha... You defiantly don't have a Latina woman.
/

Your wife has 5 sisters. One will eventually like me!!
//

396 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:14:17pm

re: #387 NJDhockeyfan

You can almost hear the extreme outrage if this had been reported 2 years ago. This report will be pushed to the back pages in a couple days if not already.

I dunno. Bush wasn't able to influence appointments to the 9th Circuit, and the judges on it never showed him much deference.

397 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:15:05pm

re: #394 Cannadian Club Akbar

We should make videos for homeless people. Little tips like how to get food. But, I guess we would have to make one on stealing a DVD player to watch the food video.
/

The government hasn't given them free DVD players yet? They must still be handing out the free cell phones. DVD players & TVs will probably be next.

398 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:15:16pm

re: #392 NJDhockeyfan

Here's an old classic video...


[Video]

Ya know?....... that movie was appropriately named.

399 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:16:11pm

re: #395 Cannadian Club Akbar

Your wife has 5 sisters. One will eventually like me!!
//

All married....... but the cutest one is separated.

400 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:17:05pm

re: #399 Mr Pancakes

All married... but the cutest one is separated.

Show her all my witty post. She'll melt.
///

401 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:18:00pm

re: #400 Cannadian Club Akbar

Show her all my witty post. She'll melt.
///

I will........ but she knows no English at all.

402 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:18:36pm

re: #401 Mr Pancakes

I will... but she knows no English at all.

PERFECT!!!

403 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:18:52pm

re: #402 Cannadian Club Akbar

PERFECT!!!

Hahhaaaaa

404 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:20:03pm

re: #401 Mr Pancakes

I will... but she knows no English at all.

Just show her pictures of lizards.

405 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:20:29pm

re: #403 Mr Pancakes

Hahhaaa

Just tell her you showed me a pic of her and all I talked about was how pretty she is. We'll figure out the rest at the wedding.:)

406 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:21:52pm

re: #387 NJDhockeyfan

I hope not. While I am a big fan of Law Enforcement, this is going over the line. If they have enough proof to get a warrant, fine, go for it (for the record, I even posted about LE in my area catching some copper thieves using this tech). But to trespass onto private property to place a tracking device, without a warrant is wrong. And the excuse that it is just the same as physically trailing someone is just false. Watch the video. What is next? putting a wireless mike outside someone's home to catch potentially incriminating remarks just because they didn't post a No Trespassing sign?

Slippery slope in my opinion.

407 elbruce  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:23:45pm

re: #387 NJDhockeyfan

You can almost hear the extreme outrage if this had been reported 2 years ago. This report will be pushed to the back pages in a couple days if not already.

Outrageous rulings have been handed down for quite a long time now with not nearly enough outrage.

From the link:

But supporters of the decision see the GPS trackers as a law enforcement tool that is no more intrusive than other means of surveillance, such as visually following a person, that do not require a court's approval.

"You left place A, at this time, you went to place B, you took this street -- that information can be gleaned in a variety of ways," said David Rivkin, a former Justice Department attorney. "It can be old surveillance, by tailing you unbeknownst to you; it could be a GPS."

He says that a person cannot automatically expect privacy just because something is on private property.

"You have to take measures -- to build a fence, to put the car in the garage" or post a no-trespassing sign, he said. "If you don't do that, you're not going to get the privacy."


It shouldn't matter where the car was parked, whether in your garage, driveway or on the cub. It's your car. They shouldn't be allowed to attach things to it or mess with it in any way.

408 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:23:57pm

re: #391 Mr Pancakes

She knows... she knew of my girlfriends in Mexico before I met her... but she was a keeper. Gringos weren't really on her radar.

Amor omnia vincit! Et semper in aeternitatem, sic, in principio, et nunc, et in saecula saeculorum.

409 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:24:50pm

Nighty all.

410 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:25:58pm

re: #406 Bubblehead II

I hope not. While I am a big fan of Law Enforcement, this is going over the line. If they have enough proof to get a warrant, fine, go for it (for the record, I even posted about LE in my area catching some copper thieves using this tech). But to trespass onto private property to place a tracking device, without a warrant is wrong. And the excuse that it is just the same as physically trailing someone is just false. Watch the video. What is next? putting a wireless mike outside someone's home to catch potentially incriminating remarks just because they didn't post a No Trespassing sign?

Slippery slope in my opinion.

Well, you could invest in a good bug detector. A signal sweeper can pick up the thing's transmissions and help you locate it. And once you find it, smash it. That would set the cops back a few dollars.

411 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:26:05pm

re: #407 elbruce

Outrageous rulings have been handed down for quite a long time now with not nearly enough outrage.

From the link:


It shouldn't matter where the car was parked, whether in your garage, driveway or on the cub. It's your car. They shouldn't be allowed to attach things to it or mess with it in any way.

George Bush will be blamed for this by lunchtime tomorrow.

412 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:29:55pm

re: #407 elbruce


He says that a person cannot automatically expect privacy just because something is on private property.

And that type of thinking is what scares me. It's on private property. They know it's private property. Yet, they still violate the boundaries. Why should I (or anyone else) have to put up a sign that says Private Property or Keep Out?

413 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:29:59pm

re: #408 Cato the Elder

Amor omnia vincit! Et semper in aeternitatem, sic, in principio, et nunc, et in saecula saeculorum.

Google wouldn't translate that.

414 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:35:13pm

re: #413 Mr Pancakes

Google wouldn't translate that.

Love conquers all! And always, in eternity, thus, in the beginning, and now, and for ages of ages.

May you and your wife be steadfast in love through all the vicissitudes of life.

415 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:36:26pm

re: #414 Cato the Elder

Love conquers all! And always, in eternity, thus, in the beginning, and now, and for ages of ages.

May you and your wife be steadfast in love through all the vicissitudes of life.

Thanks Cato....... as always, life is a struggle. We're hanging in there.

416 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:38:49pm

re: #383 Bubblehead II

Evening Lizards. The 9th Circus blows it again.

Court allows agents to secretly put GPS trackers on cars

All those resources to nail a pot grow

Well done, I feel safer already, America

Sadly, the countermeasures for cop GPS trackers are a little spendy: [Link: www.brickhousesecurity.com...]

417 Mr Pancakes  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:41:09pm

Goodnight everyone

418 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:41:57pm

re: #397 NJDhockeyfan

The government hasn't given them free DVD players yet? They must still be handing out the free cell phones. DVD players & TVs will probably be next.

Fuck you.

And anyone who tries to put a GPS tracker on my car, fuck them. They'll have to get past Haku first.

And fuck football!

419 NJDhockeyfan  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:43:20pm

re: #418 Cato the Elder

Fuck you.

And anyone who tries to put a GPS tracker on my car, fuck them. They'll have to get past Haku first.

And fuck football!

Fuck!

420 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:47:22pm

re: #319 lostlakehiker

The danger is not that we will just meekly succumb to a known danger without ever lifting a hand in defense of our posterity, but that we will fail to understand that we are lobsters and that the pot is gradually getting unbearably hot.

Eggs ackly.

421 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:49:19pm

What an outstanding piece of propaganda Mr. Horowitz wrote. Not a single button was left unpressed.

Impressive. /

422 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:50:56pm

re: #410 Dark_Falcon

Well, you could invest in a good bug detector. A signal sweeper can pick up the thing's transmissions and help you locate it. And once you find it, smash it. That would set the cops back a few dollars.

I have the equipment. A relatively sensitive Freq counter (with external antenna) and receivers that cover from .25 MHZ to 1300 MHZ coupled with a distinctive tone generator, I could probably detect such a device. But that isn't my point. Why should LE be allowed to trespass on private property, without a warrant to place electronic devices to track or listen to you?

423 elbruce  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:51:51pm

re: #416 WindUpBird

Sadly, the countermeasures for cop GPS trackers are a little spendy: [Link: www.brickhousesecurity.com...]

Be almost worth it to attach that sucker to a Greyhound headed for the other side of the country. Or a cop car.

Hey, I guess this means I have the right to put GPS trackers in cop cars! Awesome.

424 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:52:52pm

re: #418 Cato the Elder

Fuck you.

And anyone who tries to put a GPS tracker on my car, fuck them. They'll have to get past Haku first.

And fuck football!

You do realize that if the person in question was a cop, he could just shot Haku and claim the dog was threatening him? Cops shoot dogs in situations like that frequently, and they almost never punished for so doing.

425 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:53:11pm

re: #423 elbruce

Be almost worth it to attach that sucker to a Greyhound headed for the other side of the country. Or a cop car.

Hey, I guess this means I have the right to put GPS trackers in cop cars! Awesome.

You could even catch them eating doughnuts, or visiting whorehouses, whilst on duty.

This may have potential.

426 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:54:10pm

re: #424 Dark_Falcon

You do realize that if the person in question was a cop, he could just shot Haku and claim the dog was threatening him? Cops shoot dogs in situations like that frequently, and they almost never punished for so doing.

Yes.

And such cops are correctly known in common parlance as pigs.

427 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:54:47pm

re: #416 WindUpBird

Cool. A all in one package. Beats what I have all to hell. 3 pieces of equipment, but it works.

428 Only The Lurker Knows  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:56:04pm

Night Lizards. See you in about 5 hrs. Hey, some of us have to sleep :-)

429 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:56:44pm

re: #423 elbruce

Be almost worth it to attach that sucker to a Greyhound headed for the other side of the country. Or a cop car.

Hey, I guess this means I have the right to put GPS trackers in cop cars! Awesome.

Nope, it's a one-way street. If you tried to put a tracker on a cop car, they'd run you in. And they'd find a felony to charge you with. Police get real nasty when civilians try to run something like that in on them.

430 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 10:58:20pm

re: #428 Bubblehead II

Night Lizards. See you in about 5 hrs. Hey, some of us have to sleep :-)

One of my best friends, whilst a medical student, told me that sleep is for the weak.

He also told me that doctors don't get sick because they understand disease.

Then he got sick.

Heh.

431 Dark_Falcon  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:02:32pm

re: #430 Cato the Elder

One of my best friends, whilst a medical student, told me that sleep is for the weak.

He also told me that doctors don't get sick because they understand disease.

Then he got sick.

Heh.

Hubris leading to Nemesis.

432 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:23:54pm

re: #424 Dark_Falcon

You do realize that if the person in question was a cop, he could just shot Haku and claim the dog was threatening him? Cops shoot dogs in situations like that frequently, and they almost never punished for so doing.

Also, my dear Falcon, this is another reason why I consider myself blessed to have my own garage, midst the big citee. If anyone wants to legally put a device on my car, that space is subject to a proper warrant, just as is my home.

Other people, who just want to grow and distribute a product made by God, are apparently less fortunate.

433 Cato the Elder  Fri, Aug 27, 2010 11:38:12pm

Football: the way to teach your kid that strength matters more than brains.

434 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 12:17:10am

re: #23 aagcobb

Send me $100, and I'll launch a campaign of bigotry and hatred against the ethnic or religious minority of your choice!

How much to not launch a campaign of bigotry and hatred against the ethnic or religious minority of my choice?

435 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 12:23:30am

re: #71 Dark_Falcon

I'd rather have Rachel Maddow thump them. Olbermann is a nasty attack dog, and those who aren't fans of his would dismiss whatever he said in that spirit. Maddow is an actual journalist who can produce a fair report that hammers a malfactor.

Damn, I'm agreeing with D_F on something! Maddow would beat them up with the facts and their own words. KO would just rant.

436 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 12:24:45am

re: #43 NJDhockeyfan

Are those the ones who aren't steers?

//

An Officer and a Gentleman
Full Metal Jacket

And who knows how many other movies.

437 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 12:28:48am

re: #85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Hey bud. Indy had half a hundred hung on them last night.

But, now, since you're in Oklahoma, you can become a Cowboys fan (it's the law)...

Come to the light, Hoosier... Come to the light...

Pre-season means little so long as no stars get hurt. The Lions went 4-0 in the pre-season two years ago.

I survived not being a Dallas Cowboys fan when I lived in OK for four football seasons, but it was sometimes a close-run thing. I also refused to root for OU, which was even worse in the eyes of the True Believers.

438 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 12:34:19am

re: #121 marjoriemoon

It's so crazy. I think this stuff really started with the general anti-immigration sentiment that's been brewing over the last couple years. All of a sudden, there's a "normal American" way where outsiders don't belong. It's contrary to everything we are.

There has always been anti-immigration sentiment in this country, ironic in that almost all of us are immigrants or descended from immigrants. It goes in cycles, but it's always there.

439 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 12:35:43am

re: #122 Spare O'Lake

So, is everybody happy?

Won't complain, other than a massive car breakdown yesterday. You?

440 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 12:45:23am

re: #211 Cato the Elder

Fuck football.

Kinky, but not my style.

441 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 12:48:18am

re: #237 Cannadian Club Akbar

I want the Dog Whisperer to get attacked. Does that make me a bad guy?

No. It makes you human. He's one of the people I see on cable that makes me hit the channel button in nanoseconds.

442 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 12:57:29am

re: #351 Cato the Elder

Your poems rock.

443 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 1:14:17am

I used to respect Horowitz, even when (as was usual) I disagreed with him. That is long gone. Sometimes I wonder at these situations. Did they change? Did I? Or did someone not change while the other did?

Or is that he is just, as Cato called me the other night, an asshole?


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The Expanse - Season 5 Official Trailer The future of The Belt has begun as Marco Inaros wages Armageddon against the Inners for a lifetime of oppression and injustice. » Watch the new season of The Expanse now exclusively with your Prime Membership: bit.ly» SUBSCRIBE: bit.ly ...
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