BeckFest 2010 Crowd Size: 87,000

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CBS News commissioned an estimate of the crowd size at today’s Glenn Beck Festival, and the results are in: Glenn Beck Rally Attracts Estimated 87,000.

An estimated 87,000 people attended a rally organized by talk-radio host and Fox News commentator Glenn Beck Saturday in Washington, according to a crowd estimate commissioned by CBS News.

The company AirPhotosLive.com based the attendance on aerial pictures it took over the rally, which stretched from in front of the Lincoln Memorial along the Reflecting Pool to the Washington Monument. Beck and former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin spoke at the rally.

Beck, who predicted that at least 100,000 people would show up, opened his comments with a joke: “I have just gotten word from the media that there is over 1,000 people here today.”

AirPhotosLive.com gave its estimate a margin of error of 9,000, meaning between 78,000 and 96,000 people attended the rally. The photos used to make the estimate were taken at noon Saturday, which is when the company estimated was the rally’s high point.

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1 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:19:13pm

Sure, if you use math. But this is about restoring America to a time when people didn't use math. So 500,000 sounds about right.

2 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:21:13pm

Wingnuts are gonna raise a giant stink about this figure, just watch.

3 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:21:20pm

re: #1 Jeff In Ohio

Sure, if you use math. But this is about restoring America to a time when people didn't use math. So 500,000 sounds about right.

So, is this New Math or Old Math?

4 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:21:35pm

Biggest tent revival on record! Without the tent.

5 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:22:09pm

Sure enough, they're already freaking out on Twitter.

6 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:24:57pm

I was predicting under 10,000 so they beat my expectation.

7 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:25:15pm

Nailed it! I *told* you they'd fit in the UT stadium with room to spare. It holds just north of 100,000.

8 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:25:41pm

Wingnut funny quote:
"Last night, I passed a number of tour buses and other vehicles with messages concerning this event on the back windows, all headed to DC on the interstate. Also saw some "Impeach Obama" bumper stickers. The size of today's crowd is going to overwhelm Washington. Barry and M. Antoinette are going to be looking out the windows nervously today and rubbing their throats. It's over for them. "

9 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:25:48pm

re: #3 talon_262

So, is this New Math or Old Math?

Old Math. New Myth.

10 elbruce  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:26:12pm

That's a perfectly respectable turnout. Why can't it be enough for them?

11 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:26:25pm

Let's review:
Million Man March - 400,000+
March For America (Immigration Reform) - 200,000+
National Equality March (Lesbian, Gay etc.) - 200,000+
Tax Payer March on Washington (Tea Party) - 80,000+
Beckapalooza (stupid white people) - 87,000

Rightwing grass roots movements: Fail.

12 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:27:08pm

LOL!

Another wingnut funny!

"I got about as close as 1/2 down the mall on the right side path, under the trees next to the reflecting pool. People coming back from closer to Lincoln said, forget it, turn around. They said it was so packed down there you couldn't breath.

There were 400-500k there, if it is true that 200k fit around the reflecting pool. "

13 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:27:11pm

re: #2 Charles

Wingnuts are gonna raise a giant stink about this figure, just watch.

well really, you can fit 87,000 into the NJT waiting area at Penn Station...

14 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:27:28pm

re: #3 talon_262

So, is this New Math or Old Math?

Leprechaun Math.

15 mdey  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:28:00pm

The wingnuts are claiming 450-500,000. I'm sure Beck will claim the University of I Don't Remember estimated it at 2million or more.

16 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:28:48pm

And from the "American Thinker"...

Without question, the rally sponsored by Glenn Beck today in front of the Lincoln Memorial drew a massive crowd. (snip) Carrie Dunn of left wing MSNBC even concedes: "Today's rally was indisputably huge. NBC's Domenico Montanaro noted one park service official's estimate of over 300,000 but please note that the park service no longer provides "official" estimates." (snip) a Washington Post story that reports Al Sharpton's counter-rally drew only 3,000. A one hundred to one ratio comparing the reach of Glenn Beck and Al Sharpton sounds appropriate to me.

17 Kragar  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:29:26pm

But how many thousands were culled by attempting to use the DC Metro?

18 Gus  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:29:40pm

The Glenn Beck camp has released a statement:

Das ist ein Skandal! Es gab weit mehr als 87.000 Menschen auf unserer Völker sammeln! Es gab nach offiziellen Ergebnisse aus unserem Lager mindestens eine Million Bürgerinnen und Bürger!

//

19 Stonemason  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:30:01pm

nbc says 300,000 in a new york times article.

crowd estimates are odd.

20 Cineaste  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:31:11pm

re: #10 elbruce

That's a perfectly respectable turnout. Why can't it be enough for them?

It's a very respectable turn out. The problem is, these are people who don't understand democracy, despite their protestations to the contrary. Look at the endless crying about "tyranny" and "our country is being stolen" when there is no dispute that Obama was democratically elected with a majority of both the popular and the electoral votes. Since his inauguration had such a large crowd their desperate to have an event with a larger crowd so they can finally say "see, we have a majority" regardless of the fact that the number of people at either event would be a tiny, tiny fraction of the entire electorate that voted for this president.

It's pathetic really, but one needs something to cling to.

21 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:31:48pm

re: #16 Floral Giraffe

*waves*
Hope you are well tonight...Hope that article wasn't from Clarice...

22 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:32:53pm

re: #21 HoosierHoops

*waves back*
A friend's boxer dog is named Clarice...

23 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:33:01pm

re: #19 Stonemason

nbc says 300,000 in a new york times article.

crowd estimates are odd.

/"the closer you are the greater their numbers seem to be..."

Gen. Custer

24 RadicalModerate  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:33:02pm

Oh, this is rich. Glenn Beck might have engaged in a little bit of plagiarizing in today's DC speech. And get who he did his "borrowing" from.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

25 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:33:58pm

re: #10 elbruce

That's a perfectly respectable turnout. Why can't it be enough for them?

Well, when the anti-war lefties, gays, blacks and browns out draw you, it tends to fuck with your perception of what America is.

26 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:35:20pm

I found some black audience members at the Glenn Beck rally....

Democrats are the KKK

MICHAELWARNS.COM

"Obama is The Beast 666, given power by the Dragon (Serpent) Oprah."
27 elbruce  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:35:51pm

re: #11 Jeff In Ohio

Let's review:
Million Man March - 400,000+
March For America (Immigration Reform) - 200,000+
National Equality March (Lesbian, Gay etc.) - 200,000+
Tax Payer March on Washington (Tea Party) - 80,000+
Beckapalooza (stupid white people) - 87,000

Rightwing grass roots movements: Fail.

Don't forget Obama's Inauguration - 800,000+

28 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:35:59pm

Candid Camera at the revival:

"Why can't you move up, because of a black man?" the other man asks.

"No, no, a lot of it's homosexuals," the federal worker says. "Nepotism, okay, favorite boyfriends and girlfriends, and affirmative action."

[Link: tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com...]

29 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:36:02pm

re: #24 RadicalModerate

Oh, this is rich. Glenn Beck might have engaged in a little bit of plagiarizing in today's DC speech. And get who he did his "borrowing" from.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Heh. Huffpo had that earlier. Nice to see the MSM catching on.

30 researchok  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:37:07pm

I'm no fan of Glenn Beck. A lot of what he says resonates and a lot does not, in the same way one can find inspirational passages in religious texts and find less than savory texts as well. It's all about context.

I find Beck's right wing vision/version of utopia as ugly as I find any left wing vision/version of utopia.

Why? Because there can be no utopia without the imposition of tyranny. All ideological utopias subvert free will and free choice. Someone once said that "Religion is for those who are afraid of Hell. Spirituality is for those [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] have already walked through it."

Beck is not an enemy to be feared anymore than Dawkins is an enemy for spiritual people to fear. Much of Beck's ideology and vision are shallow and without much substance. As appealing as living in a world of cliches is, we all know that life isn't that simple. Only the ideologues- like Beck and his counterparts on the left want you to believe that because pitching the human condition as either black or white empowers them.

Americans are a smart, self correcting lot. We will soon tire of the extremes and of the apocalyptic visions thrown at us every day. Our history proves that.

To focus on Beck or Van Jones or any other fool who at times spout stupid and exclusionary ideals is a tremendous waste of energy and in fact, diverts our attention from the real work that needs to be done.

Our political system has been manipulated into a system that serves politicians. Raising money for reelections and campaigns are the only efficient and smoothly run programs in Washington.

Beck and Palin are sideshows, as are their equivalents on the left. Excoriating them doesn't make for better government.

People on both sides are lashing out at bad government and there are those who take advantage of that by diverting attention and blaming one side or the other. It is as disingenuous as it gets.

We are witnessing the Arabization of American politics. The right wants you to believe that salvation is only a jingo away- if you just send money. The left want you to believe they will pay for votes and establish entitlements. Both parties dispense money, patronage and outright bribery in an effort to maintain control of their Congressional agenda. The amount of money being dispensed by the White House and Congress is staggering- all in the name of what by all standards of measurement are the failed economic ideologies and policies of both parties. Ludicrous stimulus projects and obscene corporate tax breaks are two sides of the same coin.

I don't give a rats ass about Glenn Beck or Hannity or Maddow or Olbermann.

All they do is fan the flames- which is exactly what they are paid to do.

All we do is continue to consume the shit.

31 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:37:15pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

I found some black audience members at the Glenn Beck rally...

Democrats are the KKK

MICHAELWARNS.COM

OMG THAT'S OPRAH

32 elbruce  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:39:55pm

re: #26 Killgore Trout

I found some black audience members at the Glenn Beck rally...

Democrats are the KKK

MICHAELWARNS.COM

What. The. Fuck?!?

This book is written primarily to show the BLACK MAN, and the
WORLD the true source of their problem, 33% of the BLACK WOMEN
of AMERICA (BABYLON). GOD is angry with the world for worshipping
this WOMAN LILITH the DEVIL. Acts 19:22-27 is shocking saying: THE
WHOLE WORLD WORSHIPETH THE WOMAN GODDESS DIANA
WHO ACTUALLY is LILITH this BLACK WOMAN in BABYLON
(America). This can be proven on page 2 of this book, end of
paragraph.

People of the WORLD this BOOK OF TRUTH is your warning to
separate from LILITH. For what communion has light with darkness.
EVE is 67% of the BLACK WOMEN, the one that is GOOD and will help
save us, ADAM THE BLACK MAN. THE BLACK MAN is almost extinct
and LILITH the DRAGON will kill us all if EVE and we the people of the
world don’t stop her. LILITH must be revealed. This WOMAN has
made man in the world impotent and obsolete.

WOMEN TOOK OVER IN AMERICA

When America gave women the right to vote. How? Because they out
number men 40 to 1, women have the voting power in numbers, the
majority.


I must say, having their weird little cult take to the steps behind Beck would be a really clever way to get some media exposure. Since they're black, FNC is going to point all kinds of cameras at them.

33 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:40:19pm

re: #27 elbruce

Don't forget Obama's Inauguration - 800,000+

I didn't include that as we were all under the spell of the Kenyan Witch Doctor (really because I was looking at issue oriented gatherings). But I've seen estimates up to 1.4 million for the inaugural and 400,000 for the We Are One concert 2 days before. Having been at both, I can certainly attest that the We Are One concert was much larger then the aerial photos I've seen of Beckapalooza. The We Are One gathering had crowds packed together from the Lincoln Memorial all the way up to the Washington Memorial. My brother inlaw was down along 17th street and could not move standing up, let alone set up a law chair.

34 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:42:58pm

Fucking a, Tradewind is at it again. Push back to a Mosque arson by insinuating it might be an inside job. Sneaky sneaky in the pages.

Obviously this pisses me off.

35 elbruce  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:47:10pm

re: #30 researchok

We are witnessing the Arabization of American politics.

Could you explain that term to me? I don't understand exactly what the connotation is there.

Other than that, I generally agree with your point - extremism on either the left or the right leads to tyranny. Communists and fascists have always been the diametric mirror images of one another, which is why they've always clashed wherever they've appeared. They are the poles towards which either form of fanaticism inevitably leads.

Right now in American politics, the left is dominated by centrists, while the right is dominated by extremists. The voices that are missing are the far left and the center right; both are being drowned out currently.

It was not always so. In the very late 60's through the later 70's, it was quite the reverse, with the right wing known for prudent conservative approaches, and the left wing engaging in extremist radicalism. The exact opposite of what we see today.

36 tradewind  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:47:11pm

re: #33 Jeff In Ohio
I'm not so interested in the size of a Beck rally in DC, although CBS seems to be. I wonder if they're the only news outfit that commissioned a study?
The real number that should make headlines is that of seats the Democrats will lose in the midterm elections, which polls continue to revise upward.

37 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:47:38pm

I find it astonishing that there are even that many people who will waste a fine summer's day because they feel the need to be led in a sentimental weep-a-thon about God and Country, led by a man who is clearly insane.

38 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:48:25pm

re: #36 tradewind

I'm not so interested in the size of a Beck rally in DC, although CBS seems to be. I wonder if they're the only news outfit that commissioned a study?
The real number that should make headlines is that of seats the Democrats will lose in the midterm elections, which polls continue to revise upward.

And it will. IN NOVEMBER.

39 Gus  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:48:53pm

re: #36 tradewind

I'm not so interested in the size of a Beck rally in DC, although CBS seems to be. I wonder if they're the only news outfit that commissioned a study?
The real number that should make headlines is that of seats the Democrats will lose in the midterm elections, which polls continue to revise upward.

Hello TradeTrollwind

40 tradewind  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:49:41pm

re: #34 Stanley Sea
Aww. Don't just stand there and stomp your widdle foot..... there's a whole yard full of worms just waiting in the backyard.
Tasty.

41 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:50:06pm

re: #39 Gus 802

Hello TradeTrollwind

Why aren't you concerned CBS is not running the number of seats the Democrats lost this November?

42 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:50:09pm

re: #22 Floral Giraffe

*waves back*
A friend's boxer dog is named Clarice...

Hey you! Just hanging out on a Sat. Night here..I have really got to spend more time Packing...I hate packing

43 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:51:05pm

re: #38 Jeff In Ohio

And it will. IN NOVEMBER.

The wind in the wires made a tattletale sound
And a wave broke over the railing
And every man knew, as the Captain did, too,
T'was the witch of November come stealing.

44 tradewind  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:51:17pm

re: #39 Gus 802
Clever, Gush!

45 Gus  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:51:23pm

re: #41 Jeff In Ohio

Why aren't you concerned CBS is not running the number of seats the Democrats lost this November?

Yeah. Why, why, why I axe!!11ty How come we're not gazing into the future about a completely different topic.

//

46 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:51:48pm

re: #43 brookly red

Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald?

47 Gus  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:51:53pm

re: #44 tradewind

Clever, Gush!

Cute. But that's my real name as opposed to some fake nickname.

48 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:52:40pm

re: #46 Jeff In Ohio

Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald?

bingo

49 tradewind  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:54:08pm

re: #47 Gus 802
So you're an advocate for accuracy in screen names?
I don't think you'll have too many people agreeing there.

50 researchok  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:54:36pm

re: #35 elbruce

Could you explain that term to me? I don't understand exactly what the connotation is there.

Other than that, I generally agree with your point - extremism on either the left or the right leads to tyranny. Communists and fascists have always been the diametric mirror images of one another, which is why they've always clashed wherever they've appeared. They are the poles towards which either form of fanaticism inevitably leads.

Right now in American politics, the left is dominated by centrists, while the right is dominated by extremists. The voices that are missing are the far left and the center right; both are being drowned out currently.

It was not always so. In the very late 60's through the later 70's, it was quite the reverse, with the right wing known for prudent conservative approaches, and the left wing engaging in extremist radicalism. The exact opposite of what we see today.

Good government is subverted by the need to remain in power, not unlike Middle Eastern regimes. Attention is always focused outward (toward the enemy), as if that is more important than dealing with issues that impact people. Obsessing enemy is always more important than fixing problems. People will out up with crap as long as the enemy is excoriated, hated and blamed for all the ills of the world.

Take away the hated enemy, work things out with enemy and the reason for poor governance fades away.

Peace in the Mid East? Not just yet. The Arab regimes need Israel. Hate and obsession are a lot easier than good government.

51 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:54:37pm

re: #48 brookly red

bingo

The cadence must be tattooed on my brain.

52 tradewind  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:54:41pm

re: #48 brookly red
Such a great song, and it'll only take a day or two for me to quit hearing it...//

53 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:55:26pm

re: #30 researchok

tl;dr

But the part I did read is bullshit. Wingnut leaders are ginning up racism and xenophobia and fear and hatred among Americans, and Americans are apparently not as smart as you think.

We may well have flag-wrapped fascism in this country in our lifetimes, and you are ignoring the signs.

54 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:57:21pm

re: #51 Jeff In Ohio

re: #52 tradewind

yeah, I can't hear someone say November without starting to hum it...

55 researchok  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:58:08pm

re: #53 Cato the Elder

tl;dr

But the part I did read is bullshit. Wingnut leaders are ginning up racism and xenophobia and fear and hatred among Americans, and Americans are apparently not as smart as you think.

We may well have flag-wrapped fascism in this country in our lifetimes, and you are ignoring the signs.

Right- and moonbats have never played the racial card when it suited them. Right.

It's all cyclical. Always has been.

I recently stunned an acquaintance in Chapel Hill. He did not believe Bull Connor was a Dem. Couldn't be.

56 tradewind  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:58:34pm

re: #54 brookly red
What ever happened to Gordon Lightfoot? Is he still alive?

57 researchok  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 4:59:18pm

re: #53 Cato the Elder

It's not a pissing contest. The problem is governance, not the whack jobs.

58 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:01:19pm

re: #56 tradewind

What ever happened to Gordon Lightfoot? Is he still alive?

according to wiki-p, yes...

59 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:01:28pm

re: #57 researchok

It's not a pissing contest. The problem is governance, not the whack jobs.

Wait till the whackjobs get into government, as many here are gleefully predicting for November.

You think your freedoms are at risk from Obama? The fascists will be inside your bedroom before you can say "none of your business".

60 Gus  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:02:08pm

re: #49 tradewind

So you're an advocate for accuracy in screen names?
I don't think you'll have too many people agreeing there.

Not really. Carry on.

61 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:02:29pm

re: #55 researchok

Right- and moonbats have never played the racial card when it suited them. Right.

It's all cyclical. Always has been.

I recently stunned an acquaintance in Chapel Hill. He did not believe Bull Connor was a Dem. Couldn't be.

Most family of Confederates were Democrats for obvious reasons. My father, his father and his paternal grandparents all Democrats. All slave owners. All Confederate sympathizers or soldiers. His mom and his maternal grandparents: mostly republicans, fought for the Union. (Though they had slaves, too).

So, the instance of Democrats in the south PRIOR TO and IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE PASSAGE OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1963 who were badass racists is not only unremarkable, it's to be expected.

62 Kilroy  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:04:04pm

I really though the days of Jonathan Edwards were over three centuries ago but I'm amazed a simple talk show host can draw this number of people. Many are in search of something!

63 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:04:09pm

re: #61 Jeff In Ohio

I'm sorry, my dads family who was alive during slavery and the Civil War had slaves and participated int eh Civil War, not him and his parents (obviously..hopefully).

64 researchok  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:04:15pm

re: #59 Cato the Elder

Wait till the whackjobs get into government, as many here are gleefully predicting for November.

You think your freedoms are at risk from Obama? The fascists will be inside your bedroom before you can say "none of your business".

Yeah- just like the Bush concentration camps.

Media makes the monster under the bed much more real. That works for Beck, Olbermann et al, , too.

65 Gus  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:04:17pm

LOL

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

66 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:04:53pm

re: #59 Cato the Elder

Wait till the whackjobs get into government, as many here are gleefully predicting for November.

You think your freedoms are at risk from Obama? The fascists will be inside your bedroom before you can say "none of your business".

oooh, nice boots...

67 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:05:01pm

re: #64 researchok

Yeah- just like the Bush concentration camps.

Media makes the monster under the bed much more real. That works for Beck, Olbermann et al, , too.

Fine. Blind yourself.

68 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:06:01pm

re: #63 Jeff In Ohio

I'm sorry, my dads family who was alive during slavery and the Civil War had slaves and participated int eh Civil War, not him and his parents (obviously..hopefully).

A people without brains complains!

69 tradewind  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:06:32pm

re: #59 Cato the Elder
And they're coming for you first! !!11!!
Make sure your jammies are pressed.

70 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:07:22pm

re: #68 Cato the Elder

A people without brains complains!

Sorry, that was meant for Kilroy.

71 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:07:46pm

re: #68 Cato the Elder

A people without brains complains!

Please?

72 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:08:06pm

re: #69 tradewind

And they're coming for you first! !!11!!
Make sure your jammies are pressed.

I sleep naked. That oughta give the choads something to talk about.

73 researchok  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:08:33pm

re: #61 Jeff In Ohio

Most family of Confederates were Democrats for obvious reasons. My father, his father and his paternal grandparents all Democrats. All slave owners. All Confederate sympathizers or soldiers. His mom and his maternal grandparents: mostly republicans, fought for the Union. (Though they had slaves, too).

So, the instance of Democrats in the south PRIOR TO and IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE PASSAGE OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS ACT OF 1963 who were badass racists is not only unremarkable, it's to be expected.

Yup- and that's my point. It isn't always clear cut. We've evolved. We can't reduce politics to jingoism.

The KKK was initially a political arm, too, way back when.

74 tradewind  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:08:35pm

re: #72 Cato the Elder
Probably not a lot.//

75 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:09:16pm

re: #55 researchok

Right- and moonbats have never played the racial card when it suited them. Right.

It's all cyclical. Always has been.

I recently stunned an acquaintance in Chapel Hill. He did not believe Bull Connor was a Dem. Couldn't be.

Think Bull Connor would be a D today?

Hmmm???

76 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:09:22pm

He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.

Martin Luther King, Jr.

77 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:09:39pm

re: #73 researchok

Yup- and that's my point. It isn't always clear cut. We've evolved. We can't reduce politics to jingoism.

The KKK was initially a political arm, too, way back when.

Except that a great many politicians are doing just that, and the sheep are bleating.

78 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:11:19pm

re: #64 researchok

Except the Dominionists are already getting laws passed, like the foul, contemptible one in Oklahoma.

So, different.

79 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:12:20pm

/ OK, fascists in bed room, check
sleeps naked, check
bleating sheep, check...


I can't help but notice a pattern here.

80 researchok  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:12:46pm

re: #75 austin_blue

Think Bull Connor would be a D today?

Hmmm???

Not germane. Do you think Germans would buy into Nazism today?

They were a product of their times.

You can't measure history with today's yardstick.

81 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:13:36pm

re: #73 researchok

Yup- and that's my point. It isn't always clear cut. We've evolved. We can't reduce politics to jingoism.

The KKK was initially a political arm, too, way back when.

Isn't your friend an example that people haven't learned history, they are not interested in how fricking complicated it is (was). Aren't they are looking for simple sound bites to explain the world for them?

Maybe some people have evolved. Seems to me they are in the minority.

82 researchok  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:14:18pm

re: #78 Obdicut

Except the Dominionists are already getting laws passed, like the foul, contemptible one in Oklahoma.

So, different.

What the Dominionists giveth, the next state legislature taketh away.

My remarks were/are about governance, not about the whackjobs.

83 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:14:27pm

re: #80 researchok

Not germane. Do you think Germans would buy into Nazism today?

They were a product of their times.

You can't measure history with today's yardstick.

Of course it's germane! It's the Bull Connor's of the past who are the whack wingnuts of today. How can that not be germane?

It's the whole point!

84 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:14:45pm

For a little history on crowd size from Eric Boehlert's twitter


Recall that pre-Iraq invasion, 200-300K marched on Washington, D.C. and the press yawned. i.e. WashPost played the story in Metro.

85 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:15:51pm

re: #62 Kilroy

I really though the days of Jonathan Edwards were over three centuries ago but I'm amazed a simple talk show host can draw this number of people. Many are in search of something!

They're in search of the Perfect Cheese, but all they've found is moldy Velveeta.

86 tradewind  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:16:50pm

re: #84 Stanley Sea
How'd that work out for them?/
Oh, that's right. The Surge!
Thankfully, demonstrations and their participants,, regardless of which policy they espouse, don't make law.

87 austin_blue  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:16:51pm

Gotta BBQ. Later Lizards.

88 researchok  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:17:23pm

re: #81 Jeff In Ohio

Isn't your friend an example that people haven't learned history, they are not interested in how fricking complicated it is (was). Aren't they are looking for simple sound bites to explain the world for them?

Maybe some people have evolved. Seems to me they are in the minority.

Exactly. More effort is spent whitewashing history than is spent on providing good governance.

Political hacks on both sides believe if they present themselves as vigins they are somehow more attractive.

You don't get to whore around and call yourself an ingenue. The only one who really buys into that are the whores.

89 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:18:01pm

re: #65 Gus 802

LOL

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Nice manicured holes in his jeans for a tough guy.

90 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:19:13pm

re: #82 researchok

What the Dominionists giveth, the next state legislature taketh away.

My remarks were/are about governance, not about the whackjobs.

How is getting a law passed not governance?

And no, the next state legislature isn't going to take that law away. The courts will.

That is a very, very, very blithe response to an absolutely terrible law.

91 Gus  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:19:30pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

Nice manicured holes in his jeans for a tough guy.

Rhinestone cowboy. I get the feeling that most of the people that went to this thing drove in from south of the Mason Dixon line.

92 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:19:34pm

re: #84 Stanley Sea

For a little history on crowd size from Eric Boehlert's twitter

Recall that pre-Iraq invasion, 200-300K marched on Washington, D.C. and the press yawned. i.e. WashPost played the story in Metro.

This. Right here. The outsized megaphone.

93 tradewind  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:19:37pm

re: #80 researchok

Do you think Germans would buy into Nazism today?


One would certainly hope not, but evidently there are vestiges of the nasties found everywhere.
Hopefully, they'll lose the ability to procreate.

94 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:20:20pm

re: #86 tradewind

How'd that work out for them?/
Oh, that's right. The Surge!
Thankfully, demonstrations and their participants,, regardless of which policy they espouse, don't make law.

Yeah, the surge was what 5 years later? After all the dead.

The post was about crowd size, not results. I hope you enjoyed the revival at least.

95 researchok  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:20:30pm

re: #77 Cato the Elder

Except that a great many politicians are doing just that, and the sheep are bleating.

Precisely- and therein lies the problem. All too often we debate jingoism and not substance or governance.

96 palomino  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:21:05pm

How is this whole event really any different from a teabag rally? Same speakers: Beck and Palin. Same diverse crowd. Same vague platitudes about returning America to some mythical past. And same crowd size, plus/minus 2.5 million.

97 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:22:36pm

re: #42 HoosierHoops

Moving sucks.
What's Winston up to?

98 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:23:03pm

re: #76 Stanley Sea

He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it.

Martin Luther King, Jr.

"Whoa, lady, I only speak two languages, English and bad English. "

-Korben Dallas

99 researchok  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:23:06pm

re: #90 Obdicut

How is getting a law passed not governance?

And no, the next state legislature isn't going to take that law away. The courts will.

That is a very, very, very blithe response to an absolutely terrible law.

It is governance- and I've been talking about bad governance all around.

No one party has a monopoly on that (think some of the TARP and Bailout programs)..

Further, you are right to note the courts will address the issue. I am pretty certain the legislature will as well.

100 tradewind  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:23:10pm

re: #94 Stanley Sea
Didn't see it.
The only thing about it that seems at all interesting is how , if reports are true, MLK's niece was persuaded to be a key speaker.
Probably bribed.

101 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:23:14pm

re: #96 palomino

You know, I gotta say: I think the Tea Party is silly as hell, and most of the supporters of it are misguided, ignorant, or engaging in a fantasy.

But I can't get behind the 'teabag' thing. It's too juvenile for me.

I'm not trying to scold you, just letting you know that some people do actually get turned off by that terminology. I don't see any point to it.

I know they've self-referneced as 'teabaggers' sometimes. Doesn't change my attitude on it.

102 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:23:26pm

re: #62 Kilroy

I really though the days of Jonathan Edwards were over three centuries ago but I'm amazed a simple talk show host can draw this number of people. Many are in search of something!

What are YOU looking for?

103 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:23:39pm

re: #85 Charles

They're in search of the Perfect Cheese, but all they've found is moldy Velveeta.

And someone seems to have moved it!

104 Obdicut  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:24:55pm

re: #99 researchok

It is governance- and I've been talking about bad governance all around.

No one party has a monopoly on that (think some of the TARP and Bailout programs)..

Further, you are right to note the courts will address the issue. I am pretty certain the legislature will as well.

Comparing the law in Oklahoma to TARP and the bailout is insane, dude. One is a law violating human rights. The others may or may not be bad economic policy. There are arguments to be made for the bailouts. There are none-- none not based in wanting to shame and humiliate women who seek abortions-- for the Oklahoma law.

105 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:25:19pm

re: #102 Floral Giraffe

What are YOU looking for?

a job. * sigh*

just like the other 17 million...

106 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:25:24pm

re: #100 tradewind

MLK's niece was the ace in the hole obviously.

Since you, Walter and some other push-backer keeps bringing her up.

107 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:26:02pm

re: #105 brookly red

a job. * sigh*

just like the other 17 million...

I thought you landed a few interviews the other week? No callback?

108 tradewind  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:26:57pm

re: #85 Charles
Maybe it's just something they have fonduing.

109 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:27:49pm

re: #106 Stanley Sea

MLK's niece was the ace in the hole obviously.

Since you, Walter and some other push-backer keeps bringing her up.

please explain this "push backer" thing ?

110 researchok  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:28:06pm

re: #104 Obdicut

Comparing the law in Oklahoma to TARP and the bailout is insane, dude. One is a law violating human rights. The others may or may not be bad economic policy. There are arguments to be made for the bailouts. There are none-- none not based in wanting to shame and humiliate women who seek abortions-- for the Oklahoma law.

OK, how about comparing it to decades of insane immigration policies? How about comparing it to the scandal of an entire class of uneducated kids, notwithstanding the billions of dollars pissed away? How about comparing it to obscene state employee pensions that will bankrupt some of those states?

You want to make this into a zero sum game. I submit bad governance is the legacy of both parties.

111 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:28:13pm

re: #97 Floral Giraffe

Moving sucks.
What's Winston up to?

Hanging out with daddy..We are watching Indy Car racing tonight...It won't be long before we are hanging in a hotel and Winston is wondering the effen are we doing here?

112 tradewind  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:28:29pm

re: #106 Stanley Sea
I keeps what?
I'm pretty sure that's the only time I've mentioned her, and it'll probably be the last.
It was the only thing I found remotely interesting about the whole thing.

113 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:28:45pm

re: #107 Aceofwhat?

I thought you landed a few interviews the other week? No callback?

please, everyone is just waiting for November & holding their breath...

114 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:29:47pm

I had a lovely Shabbos.

I come back to see the Beck rally garbage. Garbage on the stage, a sea of hateful, semi-literate fools in the crowd, and the man-baby drooling himself, on the anniversary of one of the greatest acts of one of my personal heroes.

Dr. Martin Luther King, stood with honor and eloquence for a just cause. He knew that doing so would eventually get him killed. He bravely did so anyway.

He moved the world forward morally and did so with great humanity, decency and dignity. His dream is one that all Americans who value liberty must embrace. His dream is one which all those who value compassion mist embrace. His dream is one which all those who have a shred of morality and any concept of justice must embrace. His dream is one of love and serving others.

In stark counter point, we have the drooling, classless, undignified, and utterly self serving, shameless manbaby Beck leading not a sea of those seeking justice, but a sea of those seeking to remove justice out of fear and hatred.

This is the most profoundly sick irony of history, I have ever been witness too.

115 tradewind  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:30:28pm

re: #109 brookly red

Must be a clever cheerleading reference. You remember,
Push em back, Push em back,
Waaaaay, back!

116 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:31:45pm

I am going to sign off now for a bit and walk my dogs. Maybe I'll get something to eat. I simply can not deal with this much sordid ugliness right now.

117 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:32:36pm

David Weigel's tale at Slate:[Link: www.slate.com...]

118 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:32:47pm

re: #115 tradewind

Must be a clever cheerleading reference. You remember,
Push em back, Push em back,
Waaay, back!

OK, maybe... I thought it was the new code for denier, or infidel or something. Or maybe it is just the new term for uppity?

119 tradewind  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:32:48pm

re: #105 brookly red
Well, there are still a few more weeks of Recovery Summer.
Seriously, things have to pick up.

120 tradewind  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:33:36pm

re: #118 brookly red
I'm pretty sure it's dogwhistle for bigot./

121 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:34:20pm

re: #100 tradewind

Didn't see it.
The only thing about it that seems at all interesting is how , if reports are true, MLK's niece was persuaded to be a key speaker.
Probably bribed.

She's a right winger.

122 palomino  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:35:41pm

re: #101 Obdicut

You know, I gotta say: I think the Tea Party is silly as hell, and most of the supporters of it are misguided, ignorant, or engaging in a fantasy.

But I can't get behind the 'teabag' thing. It's too juvenile for me.

I'm not trying to scold you, just letting you know that some people do actually get turned off by that terminology. I don't see any point to it.

I know they've self-referneced as 'teabaggers' sometimes. Doesn't change my attitude on it.

I suppose you're right, although we've aired this out here before and teabag is still commonly used here as elsewhere.

If I took them more seriously maybe I'd be more likely to call them tea partiers all the time. But a group of people who mythologize and whitewash the early days of the US, and prattle on about returning our country to those days, well, I have a hard time taking them seriously.

123 tradewind  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:35:54pm

re: #117 prairiefire
Wow, he found another job! I bet the Washington Post wishes they'd never fired him.

124 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:36:04pm

Just a little reminder: this is Glenn Beck!

Youtube Video
125 Irenicum  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:36:06pm

I see 87,000 psych beds were available today.

126 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:36:11pm

re: #101 Obdicut

You know, I gotta say: I think the Tea Party is silly as hell, and most of the supporters of it are misguided, ignorant, or engaging in a fantasy.

But I can't get behind the 'teabag' thing. It's too juvenile for me.

I'm not trying to scold you, just letting you know that some people do actually get turned off by that terminology. I don't see any point to it.

I know they've self-referneced as 'teabaggers' sometimes. Doesn't change my attitude on it.

That's fine. I don't see it as juvenile at all. Making reference to subservient fools who wait to lick their masters' sweaty balls, is perfectly apt for them. After all, they want to take rights and powers from the people and give them to the plutocrats. And they get to get a hate on in the process.

If you don't like the irony of referring to deluded half wit homophobes by a derogatory term for a homosexual act, then I shall be more academic.

The teabags are hateful, white trash scum, racists, wannabe fascists and semi-literate morons.

127 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:36:21pm

re: #100 tradewind

Didn't see it.
The only thing about it that seems at all interesting is how , if reports are true, MLK's niece was persuaded to be a key speaker.
Probably bribed.

Alveda King is a very well known ultra-right winger. Has been for years. And a lot of African Americans aren't happy about the way she perverts her uncle's message.

You didn't know that?

128 tradewind  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:36:26pm

re: #121 prairiefire
Gotta be drugs.

129 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:37:10pm

re: #128 tradewind

Gotta be drugs.

See Charles's #127.

130 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:37:11pm

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

Tell me how you really feel, chaver!

131 prairiefire  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:37:35pm

re: #128 tradewind

Gotta be drugs.

What the hell does that mean, anyway?

132 tradewind  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:38:41pm

re: #127 Charles
Actually, no, I had never heard anything about her.
It was a pretty big family.

133 blueraven  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:40:44pm

re: #19 Stonemason

nbc says 300,000 in a new york times article.

crowd estimates are odd.


re: #100 tradewind

Didn't see it.
The only thing about it that seems at all interesting is how , if reports are true, MLK's niece was persuaded paid to be a key speaker.
Probably bribed.

Fixed

134 Page 3 in the Binder of Women  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:40:54pm

re: #128 tradewind

Gotta be drugs.

How far will you go?

135 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:41:14pm

I just got here. What it up with this story? Just asking.
[Link: www.nytimes.com...]
Officials do not make crowd estimates because they are unreliable and can be controversial, but event organizers put the number of attendees at 500,000; NBC News said it was closer to 300,000, but by any measure it was a large turnout. The crowd stretched from the Lincoln Memorial to the Washington Monument.

136 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:41:16pm

re: #126 LudwigVanQuixote

By the way, Ludwig, teabagging is not limited to homos. In fact I'm certain sure that many hetero Republicans demand it from their wives and mistresses.

137 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:44:46pm

re: #132 tradewind

Actually, no, I had never heard anything about her.
It was a pretty big family.

She has made many appearances on Beck...I have nothing against her.. She really has a vision of God and believes it with all her heart..It is her right as an American..I don't agree with her but will give my life for her right to say it..
/Ok I ripped that off.

138 blueraven  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:44:48pm

re: #133 blueraven

oops

re: #19 Stonemason

nbc says 300,000 in a new york times article.

crowd estimates are odd.

I will take CBS' paid professionals over the NBC estimate until I hear what it is based upon.

139 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:47:12pm

re: #138 blueraven

oops

re: #19 Stonemason

nbc says 300,000 in a new york times article.

crowd estimates are odd.

I will take CBS' paid professionals over the NBC estimate until I hear what it is based upon.

Yes. CBS. Ever heard of the "Throbbing Memo"?

140 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:02:53pm

Immigration rally in 2006 in Dallas, TX - 300k to 500kl

Between 350,000 and 500,000 participants showed up, according to Dallas police estimates. In Fort Worth, about 10,000 to 30,000 people marched.

Sunday's march brought together U.S. citizens and immigrants, both legal and illegal. It drew families and teenagers and a mix of veteran activists and those demonstrating for the first time. Police reported only one arrest, for public intoxication.

141 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:10:05pm

re: #138 blueraven

oops

re: #19 Stonemason

nbc says 300,000 in a new york times article.

crowd estimates are odd.

I will take CBS' paid professionals over the NBC estimate until I hear what it is based upon.

It depends on how they came to their number. Counting people on the ground is pretty much impossible. Doing it from the air is relatively reliable.

142 elbruce  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:15:59pm

re: #122 palomino

If I took them more seriously maybe I'd be more likely to call them tea partiers all the time. But a group of people who mythologize and whitewash the early days of the US, and prattle on about returning our country to those days, well, I have a hard time taking them seriously.

Fun fact: the original Boston Tea Party was protesting a tax decrease.

143 MittDoesNotCompute  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:21:26pm

re: #127 Charles

Alveda King is a very well known ultra-right winger. Has been for years. And a lot of African Americans aren't happy about the way she perverts her uncle's message.

You didn't know that?

Actually, no...guess you learn something new every day.

144 MPH  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 9:40:42pm

Looks about right: [Link: ddis.smugmug.com...] 80 to 100K people showed up for church...

I said in 2008, after I decided I couldn't bring myself to vote for McCain because of his irresponsible VP choice, that Sarah Palin was the republican Obama. Boy, was I right...the sycophants are out in force. I am not looking forward to 2012.

145 elbruce  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 12:03:01am

re: #144 MPH

I said in 2008, after I decided I couldn't bring myself to vote for McCain because of his irresponsible VP choice, that Sarah Palin was the republican Obama.

Wait, so you didn't vote for the Republican ticket because the Veep candidate reminded you of the Democratic ticket's presidential candidate? That makes less than no sense.

146 Sinistershade  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 12:33:39am

re: #145 elbruce

Wait, so you didn't vote for the Republican ticket because the Veep candidate reminded you of the Democratic ticket's presidential candidate? That makes less than no sense.

Just guessing here, but I think MPH was comparing Palin and Obama in terms of their abilities to fire up and draw out the base on an emotional level, not their quality as candidates.

147 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 2:14:13am

re: #110 researchok


You want to make this into a zero sum game. I submit bad governance is the legacy of both parties.

No I don't. I want to not believe in the Magical Balance Fairy.

I submit there are different forms of bad governance, and those that strip human rights are worse than those that engage in economic policy of dubious value.

148 Obdicut  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 2:20:05am

re: #142 elbruce

That'd be a fun fact if it weren't more complicated than that. The East India Company got a break on taxes. Tea sold in the American colony was taxed, under the Townsend Act. That tax wasn't removed. The tax break was for a corporation, not Americans.

It's an even more fun fact that the original Tea Party was protesting a tax break for a corporation, don'tcha think?

149 boxhead  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 2:27:59am

re: #148 Obdicut

That'd be a fun fact if it weren't more complicated than that. The East India Company got a break on taxes. Tea sold in the American colony was taxed, under the Townsend Act. That tax wasn't removed. The tax break was for a corporation, not Americans.

It's an even more fun fact that the original Tea Party was protesting a tax break for a corporation, don'tcha think?

A very large corp at that. A corp that used it's power to influence rulings in England for it's benefit at the detriment of the people. Sounds like a familiar tale.

150 deranged cat  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 2:53:37am

re: #105 brookly red

right there with ya.

151 Vambo  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 6:41:43am

re: #26 Killgore Trout

I found some black audience members at the Glenn Beck rally...

Democrats are the KKK

MICHAELWARNS.COM

Who is this joker? A real-life Uncle Ruckus?

152 MPH  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:04:45am

re: #146 Sinistershade

Just guessing here, but I think MPH was comparing Palin and Obama in terms of their abilities to fire up and draw out the base on an emotional level, not their quality as candidates.

I was that opaque, that you had to guess?

These Glen Beck cultists watched closely the religious fervor of the irrational Obama fanatics -- and said to themselves this can work for us too.

153 Vambo  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 7:30:02am
These Glen Beck cultists watched closely the religious fervor of the irrational Obama fanatics -- and said to themselves this can work for us too.

Not only that, but they managed to upstage the Obama fanatics with 500% more irrational crazy.

Where are those Obama fanatics, btw? I haven't seen any in almost 2 years.

154 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 8:41:28am

re: #139 Cannadian Club Akbar

Yes. CBS. Ever heard of the "Throbbing Memo"?

I've heard about that. Oh wait -- I created it.

And yes, I believe the firm that CBS commissioned to do this estimate. They're professionals at this kind of stuff. Their estimate is accurate.

155 RazorMan1988  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 12:04:56pm

It used to be a mix when reading these comments. Now it is about 90% fools. I saw the pictures love him or hate him. He drew a huge crowd. That is a problem with partisans from the left and right, the denial of reality. What is is and go on from there. I wonder if any of the amazing people commenting here could even draw the audience Rev Al did.

156 Charles Johnson  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 12:42:57pm

re: #155 RazorMan1988

By "denial of reality," you mean brushing off a commissioned scientific crowd estimate because it just doesn't feel good enough?


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