Fire at Tennessee Mosque Site Ruled Arson

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In Murfreesboro, Tennessee, where another outbreak of bad anti-Muslim craziness has been raging around another proposed Islamic center, officials have ruled that a fire at the building site was caused by arson.

(CBS/AP)  Federal officials are investigating a fire that started overnight at the site of a new Islamic center in a Nashville suburb.

Ben Goodwin of the Rutherford County Sheriff’s Department confirmed to CBS Affiliate WTVF that the fire, which burned construction equipment at the future site of the Islamic Center of Murfreesboro, is being ruled as arson.

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312 comments
1 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:33:03pm

Terrorism, plain and simple.

2 Lidane  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:35:28pm

Cue the usual suspects turning the arsonist into a liberal plant in 3...2...1...

3 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:35:39pm

This one's actually more disturbing to me than the Cordoba center...at least in Manhattan, people can be led astray by emotions related to 9/11.

This is just dumb, through and through.

4 brownbagj  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:36:20pm

Getting worried gang. The embers are getting hotter and hotter.

5 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:36:40pm

re: #2 Lidane

Cue the usual suspects turning the arsonist into a liberal plant in 3...2...1...

No doubt. Time to play the "false flag" card again.

6 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:37:03pm

"Don't let them build a mosque here! They seem like the sort who might light things on fire! And to prove my point, uhhh, i will light this stuff on fire!"

7 brownbagj  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:37:03pm

Dang it. I did not mean to make a pun there. Only was following up on a post I had stated a couple of days ago that a fire was starting and that it would easily get out of control.

Sorry if I offended anyone.

8 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:37:32pm

Only a matter of time.

The neo fascists repeat history.

If it organizes, it will be just like Kristalnacht.

9 Gus  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:38:01pm

re: #2 Lidane

Cue the usual suspects turning the arsonist into a liberal plant in 3...2...1...

There's already a warm up act going on.

10 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:38:14pm

In JamesWI's Page about this, people popped up almost instantly to try to push the idea that the Muslims did it themselves.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

11 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:38:35pm

re: #4 brownbagj

Getting worried gang. The embers are getting hotter and hotter.

I know what you meant by this and no pun was intended.

Listen to freedoms die and the sounds of justice strangled.

12 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:39:57pm

re: #10 Charles

good grief

13 brownbagj  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:40:22pm

re: #11 LudwigVanQuixote

Thanks LVQ. You are good peeps.

14 seopad  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:41:18pm

re: #10 Charles

In JamesWI's Page about this, people popped up almost instantly to try to push the idea that the Muslims did it themselves.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Thats right Chuck, since they have a history of it already. Go figure.

15 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:41:25pm

so much for the 48 hr rule I guess...

16 Gus  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:41:49pm

re: #14 seopad

Ha! You're a douche bag.

17 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:42:45pm

re: #10 Charles

In JamesWI's Page about this, people popped up almost instantly to try to push the idea that the Muslims did it themselves.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Wow, what is this called?..push...back?

18 Gus  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:42:47pm

Stalker in the house.

19 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:43:23pm

re: #18 Gus 802

Stalker in the house.

Ya think?

20 Lidane  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:43:25pm

re: #9 Gus 802

re: #10 Charles

*sigh*

Denial's a hell of a drug.

21 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:43:28pm

re: #14 seopad

Thats right Chuck, since they have a history of it already. Go figure.

The people at the mosque in Tennessee have a history of it? Link?

22 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:43:46pm

re: #14 seopad

Thats right Chuck, since they have a history of it already. Go figure.

So fuckhead, which stalker site are you from?

23 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:44:28pm

re: #14 seopad

That's your last comment here. Have fun at Stormfront!

24 Gus  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:44:32pm

re: #22 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

So fuckhead, which stalker site are you from?

It's gone.

25 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:44:47pm

re: #14 seopad

Thts rght Chck, snce th hv hstr f t lrd. G fgr.

Go fuck yourself.

26 palomino  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:44:55pm

re: #21 Jeff In Ohio

The people at the mosque in Tennessee have a history of it? Link?

No, but some Muslims thousands of miles away have a history of it. That's good enough for some people--simpletons mostly.

27 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:44:58pm

re: #14 seopad

Thats right Chuck, since they have a history of it already. Go figure.

[citation needed]

28 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:45:42pm

re: #27 negativ

[citation needed]

H cn't ct. H's blckd.

29 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:45:46pm

re: #14 seopad

That's right all the hatred means nothing.

Don't presume familiarity with anyone here.

Don't refer to anyone by a diminutive. You are nothing but racist, uneducated fear mongering scum, gleeful about the commission of a crime that goes to the core of American liberties.

You are not the equal of anyone here, let alone, Charles.

30 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:46:03pm

re: #14 seopad

Thats right Chuck, since they have a history of it already. Go figure.

Hey. Unwashed foot mitten. These folks protesting in TN have already given Christians like me a black eye...it's embarrassing. Speculating that the arson was likely committed by one of these felchards is nothing more than playing the odds. If by some odd circumstance the arson was committed by someone else, Charles and the others will post it immediately.

In the meantime, these protesting idiots should go be not seen and not heard. We have a better chance of being ruled by Martians than by Sharia law in the US.

31 Stanghazi  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:46:07pm

re: #17 Jeff In Ohio

Wow, what is this called?..push...back?

And, like clockwork:

re: #15 brookly red

so much for the 48 hr rule I guess...

32 Kragar  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:46:28pm

I'd just like to thank Beck, Rush, Pam and Spencer for helping to create the atmosphere that makes acting like the terrorists seem like acceptable behavior by American citizens against their fellow American citizens.

Well done.

/

33 tradewind  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:46:38pm

re: #9 Gus 802
You mean this?
[Link: www.wtvm.com...]

Tucker says the arrest is "a bit of a surprise" to members of the mosque, who had expressed concern that the fire might be hate crime.


I don't think the TN case has a suspect yet, but until they do, you cannot reasonably say that examples like the above are made-up hate speech.
And I am not saying that someone hateful and/or anti-Muslim didn't do this. .... that could very well be the case.

34 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:47:22pm

re: #31 Stanley Sea

Is that what they use during the Corn Flake Hour?

35 jaunte  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:47:58pm

re: #32 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'd just like to thank Beck, Rush, Pam and Spencer


'Will balkanize for $'

36 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:48:22pm

re: #33 tradewind

What in the hell does that case have to do with this one?

What a textbook example of prejudice.

37 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:48:25pm

re: #32 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'd just like to thank Beck, Rush, Pam and Spencer for helping to create the atmosphere that makes acting like the terrorists seem like acceptable behavior by American citizens against their fellow American citizens.

Well done.

/

Well if you take all of those Dixie flags and talk of revolution seriously, those aren't Americans.

Personally, I'm in the kind of mood right now where the thought of Ironically denying anti-Americans theri liberty - by locking their seditious asses up is appealing.

38 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:48:26pm

re: #31 Stanley Sea

And, like clockwork:

re: #15 brookly red

so I am still waiting for you definition of push back... push back against what?

39 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:49:13pm

So, Pam and Robert, countdown to your full-throated denunciation of terrorist violence against American Muslims in 5...4...3...2...1...

Crickets.

40 Gus  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:49:17pm

re: #33 tradewind

You mean this?
[Link: www.wtvm.com...]

I don't think the TN case has a suspect yet, but until they do, you cannot reasonably say that examples like the above are made-up hate speech.
And I am not saying that someone hateful and/or anti-Muslim didn't do this. ... that could very well be the case.

Sure. Try that with other crimes or other victims. Go ahead and the next time someone gets raped or a hate crime is committed against Jews and then express your doubt and ask for a 24 hour waiting period. See how that works out for you.

41 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:49:26pm

I think it's pretty fucking sick that your first thought is "the Muslims did it themselves."

42 Gus  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:50:18pm

re: #41 Charles

I think it's pretty fucking sick that your first thought is that "the Muslims did it themselves."

That's precisely what we're seeing.

43 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:50:33pm

re: #41 Charles

I think it's pretty fucking sick that your first thought is that "the Muslims did it themselves."

It is insanely sick. Who other than the recently departed thought so?

44 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:50:36pm

re: #33 tradewind

"They are not a religion. They are a political, militaristic group," Bob Shelton, a 76-year-old retiree who lives in the area, told The Associated Press.

Shelton was among several hundred demonstrators who recently wore "Vote for Jesus" T-shirts and carried signs that said "No Sharia law for USA!," referring to the Islamic code of law.

There is nothing to defend here. Or am I missing something?

45 tradewind  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:50:36pm

re: #36 Charles
Probably nothing.
In the page that was posted about the TN mosque burning, there was a reference to people making up wild accusations of inside jobs.
I was replying to that page that it had actually happened before.
Not insinuating that this is the case in Murfreesboro.

46 Stanghazi  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:50:59pm

re: #40 Gus 802

Sure. Try that with other crimes or other victims. Go ahead and the next time someone gets raped or a hate crime is committed against Jews and then express your doubt and ask for a 24 hour waiting period. See how that works out for you.

So transparent. The head must hurt holding back so much.

47 Lidane  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:51:02pm

re: #30 Aceofwhat?

We have a better chance of being ruled by Martians than by Sharia law in the US.

I explained this to my right-wing, evangelical uncle just a couple of weeks back. I don't think it ever dawned on him just how much we'd have to willingly give up for that to happen. Our entire system of governance would have to disappear.

Won't happen. Ever.

48 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:51:18pm

re: #45 tradewind

Probably nothing.
In the page that was posted about the TN mosque burning, there was a reference to people making up wild accusations of inside jobs.
I was replying to that page that it had actually happened before.
Not insinuating that this is the case in Murfreesboro.

You must really think I'm dumb to try a line like that on me.

49 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:51:30pm

Pushbackpedal.

50 tradewind  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:51:43pm

re: #44 Aceofwhat?
Ace, I'm not defending him. I don't know why you'd ask.

51 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:52:21pm

re: #33 tradewind

You mean this?
[Link: www.wtvm.com...]


I don't think the TN case has a suspect yet, but until they do, you cannot reasonably say that examples like the above are made-up hate speech.
And I am not saying that someone hateful and/or anti-Muslim didn't do this. ... that could very well be the case.

Wow. Just wow.

52 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:52:37pm

re: #45 tradewind

Probably nothing.
In the page that was posted about the TN mosque burning, there was a reference to people making up wild accusations of inside jobs.
I was replying to that page that it had actually happened before.
Not insinuating that this is the case in Murfreesboro.

"Not insinuating", in your case, is code for "insinuating".

Go soak your head.

53 tradewind  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:53:02pm

Goodnight, ya'll.

54 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:53:19pm

re: #52 Cato the Elder

LOL!
"Go soak your head".

55 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:53:39pm

re: #53 tradewind

Goodnight, ya'll.

Don't let the door hit you where the Lord split you.

56 brownbagj  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:53:57pm

re: #51 Floral Giraffe

Wow. Just wow.

I think it is very open of tradewind to acknowledge the possibility that Muslims may not have done this.

//

57 Gus  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:54:01pm

re: #46 Stanley Sea

So transparent. The head must hurt holding back so much.

It's almost like a scenario where a cross is burned on someone's lawn and then they ask for people to "not hump to any conclusions."

Arson on Murfreesboro mosque construction equipment! Let's not jump to any conclusions you know. Could have been the Norwegians or maybe even the Mooslims themselves!!11ty

58 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:54:32pm

re: #55 Cato the Elder

Don't let the door hit you where the Lord split you.

You are just FULL of vintage sayings tonight!
Hope you are well?

59 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:55:02pm

well on the bright side I have jury duty next week...

60 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:55:10pm

re: #40 Gus 802

Sure. Try that with other crimes or other victims. Go ahead and the next time someone gets raped or a hate crime is committed against Jews and then express your doubt and ask for a 24 hour waiting period. See how that works out for you.

That would only work on a blog like this one with a large Tribe presence. I promise Jews get shit like that said about them all the time. Didn't you hear? According to the Neo-Nazi types and certain Islamists, we did the Holocaust to ourselves. Hell that was in the Saudi state paper.

But your point is completely valid.

All such crap is utterly depraved.

61 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:55:25pm

I'm starting to hate all religions.

62 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:55:29pm

re: #57 Gus 802

Vikings. When they aren't burning construction equipment, their humping conclusions.

63 Stanghazi  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:55:59pm

re: #57 Gus 802

Charles I guess should take it as a compliment. People are so intent on staying with the blog that they tip toe up to the edge. See it all the time. Then amnesia, etc.

I have zero respect, and I know I'm not alone in seeing it.

64 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:56:13pm

re: #50 tradewind

Ace, I'm not defending him. I don't know why you'd ask.

I asked because i'm at a loss to otherwise understand the caveats that you continue to post. The attitudes on display in TN are as deplorable as they are asinine, and it is likely that this arson is someone's physical expression of said attitude.

Speculating about unlikely plot thickening is certainly your prerogative, but I'm failing to understand the upside...

65 Gus  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:57:08pm

re: #57 Gus 802

It's almost like a scenario where a cross is burned on someone's lawn and then they ask for people to "not hump jump to any conclusions."

Arson on Murfreesboro mosque construction equipment! Let's not jump to any conclusions you know. Could have been the Norwegians or maybe even the Mooslims themselves!!11ty

PIMF

66 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:57:21pm

re: #59 brookly red

well on the bright side I have jury duty next week...

well...it's kind of a job...

67 brownbagj  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:57:51pm

re: #65 Gus 802

I liked the original better Gus.

68 Gus  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:57:56pm

Back in a bit.

69 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:58:04pm

re: #66 Aceofwhat?

well...it's kind of a job...

STIMULUS!!
/

70 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:58:30pm

re: #65 Gus 802

Typolepsi™. We all have that problem.

71 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:58:46pm

re: #65 Gus 802

PIMF

no way. it was brilliant the first time...the sort of person making that kind of complaint would never make it through the sentence without some sort of grammatical or spelling butchery.

72 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:59:00pm

re: #68 Gus 802

BBL.
Looking for a nice freshly grilled troll sammich, for a late night snack!
*smoochies for the Lizards*

73 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:59:13pm

re: #45 tradewind

Probably nothing.
In the page that was posted about the TN mosque burning, there was a reference to people making up wild accusations of inside jobs.
I was replying to that page that it had actually happened before.
Not insinuating that this is the case in Murfreesboro.

I always love that tactic, the "I'm just sayin'" BS. They never believe it themselves, of course, they're right there with everybody else, but...they're just sayin'. It's on the same level as throwing out an inflammatory article and then posting "It's 'interesting.'"

74 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 5:59:20pm

And so it begins.

Years - almost a decade - of Robert Spencer's "passionate, reasonable voice" (Horowitz) declaiming over and over that "there may be moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam" are beginning to bear strange fruit.

He does his "looka me, I'm so rational" shtick whilst the Harpy rants and screeches and gives the base a hateboner.

I have a secret annex in my house all ready to hide Muslim Americans when the day comes that they are hunted in the streets by the followers of Horowitz's butt-buddy.

In the meantime, I shall not cease from calling them what they are: modern-day Nazis, American fascists, haters who would make Hitler proud, and scum.

75 Lidane  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:00:12pm

re: #62 Jeff In Ohio

Vikings. When they aren't burning construction equipment, their humping conclusions.

How do we know it was arson? Maybe the backhoe died and they were just having a Viking funeral for it.

/wingnut

76 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:00:41pm

Things that make you go hmmmmmmmm.

77 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:00:47pm

re: #66 Aceofwhat?

well...it's kind of a job...

Sounds like one of those government handouts. Like the census. Nothing good can come of it.

78 palomino  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:00:54pm

re: #74 Cato the Elder

And so it begins.

Years - almost a decade - of Robert Spencer's "passionate, reasonable voice" (Horowitz) declaiming over and over that "there may be moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam" are beginning to bear strange fruit.

He does his "looka me, I'm so rational" shtick whilst the Harpy rants and screeches and gives the base a hateboner.

I have a secret annex in my house all ready to hide Muslim Americans when the day comes that they are hunted in the streets by the followers of Horowitz's butt-buddy.

In the meantime, I shall not cease from calling them what they are: modern-day Nazis, American fascists, haters who would make Hitler proud, and scum.

I like the strange fruit reference. Let's just hope it stays metaphorical and doesn't become the literal horror that Billie Holliday sang about.

79 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:00:58pm

re: #72 Floral Giraffe

BBL.
Looking for a nice freshly grilled troll sammich, for a late night snack!
*smoochies for the Lizards*

Laters! My daughter had her best friend over today, and i made turkey burgers for everyone. Better than troll...less gristle//

80 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:01:07pm

re: #66 Aceofwhat?

well...it's kind of a job...

yeah but they are going to ask me to put aside my feelings and just consider the evidence... not that I can't do that, I do that all the time.

81 swamprat  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:01:12pm

The first black man to enter West Point dropped out. He was beat up. It was determined that he "beat himself up". The second black man to enter West Point graduated. He most likely could not have done so, if it had not been for the first guy.

82 Lidane  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:01:15pm

re: #73 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

What? They're just asking questions.

/Beck

83 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:01:49pm

re: #77 Jeff In Ohio

Sounds like one of those government handouts. Like the census. Nothing good can come of it.

Oh, i don't know. I expect to get a good story out of it...

84 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:02:15pm

re: #72 Floral Giraffe

BBL.
Looking for a nice freshly grilled troll sammich, for a late night snack!
*smoochies for the Lizards*

/you are what you eat :)

85 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:02:59pm

re: #74 Cato the Elder

And so it begins.

Years - almost a decade - of Robert Spencer's "passionate, reasonable voice" (Horowitz) declaiming over and over that "there may be moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam" are beginning to bear strange fruit.

He does his "looka me, I'm so rational" shtick whilst the Harpy rants and screeches and gives the base a hateboner.

I have a secret annex in my house all ready to hide Muslim Americans when the day comes that they are hunted in the streets by the followers of Horowitz's butt-buddy.

In the meantime, I shall not cease from calling them what they are: modern-day Nazis, American fascists, haters who would make Hitler proud, and scum.

Good. Good man. This is going to get more violent before it gets less violent. So much will happen in November.

86 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:03:43pm

re: #80 brookly red

yeah but they are going to ask me to put aside my feelings and just consider the evidence... not that I can't do that, I do that all the time.

he's guilty. send him to the chair. see? no problemo.

by the way, there have to be hundreds of hilarious moments in this little endeavor, and i look forward to hearing about many of them in typical Brookly deadpan style...

87 swamprat  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:03:53pm

re: #82 Lidane

What? They're just asking questions.

/Beck

Do bigots wear flowered ladies garments and high heels? It's just a question.

88 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:04:11pm

re: #74 Cato the Elder

And so it begins.

Years - almost a decade - of Robert Spencer's "passionate, reasonable voice" (Horowitz) declaiming over and over that "there may be moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam" are beginning to bear strange fruit.


Seems an appropriate song for the day....
Strange Fruit

Youtube Video
89 mikhailtheplumber  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:04:16pm

Well, obviously a liberal PC pro-Muslim did it.

Ask Pamella Geller, she knows!

//

90 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:04:54pm

re: #87 swamprat

Do bigots wear flowered ladies garments and high heels? It's just a question.

I'm not a bigot!

91 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:05:08pm

Heh. The Cowboys suck. Where's Steve when i need to rub his nose in it?

92 brownbagj  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:05:14pm

It is possible that a moderate Muslim working for a Pro51 group did this.

Not that I think that, I am just sayin'.

93 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:05:26pm

re: #86 Aceofwhat?

he's guilty. send him to the chair. see? no problemo.

by the way, there have to be hundreds of hilarious moments in this little endeavor, and i look forward to hearing about many of them in typical Brookly deadpan style...

no way dude, I am gonna tell them I post here & no frikin way will they seat me :)

94 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:06:09pm

re: #90 Jeff In Ohio

I'm not a bigot!

dude, flowers are so 1980's...you need a makeover...

95 jaunte  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:06:18pm

This is really getting insane.

"We have a duty to investigate anyone under the banner of Islam," Allen Jackson, pastor of World Outreach Church in Murfreesboro, said during Thursday's meeting.
[Link: www.tennessean.com...]
96 [deleted]  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:06:19pm
97 brownbagj  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:06:53pm

re: #94 Aceofwhat?

Flowers are ok, it depends on the length of the hemline.

Not that I would know myself...

98 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:06:59pm

re: #92 brownbagj

It is possible that a moderate Muslim working for a Pro51 group did this.

Not that I think that, I am just sayin'.

Muslims have damaged their own mosques before to claim oppression. It happens but it's rare. Bigots have also target mosques.

99 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:06:59pm

re: #93 brookly red

no way dude, I am gonna tell them I post here & no frikin way will they seat me :)

"Is there any reason why you would not be impartial if you served as a juror in this case?"
"I post on Little Green Footballs."
"...get the [bleep!] out."

100 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:07:16pm

What. The. Fuck.

101 Lemon  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:07:40pm

re: #92 brownbagj

It is possible that a moderate Muslim working for a Pro51 group did this.

Not that I think that, I am just sayin'.

Or Martians. Can't rule out the Martians yet.

What can you expect from a species originating on the RED planet? Bunch of commies.

102 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:07:51pm

re: #61 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm starting to hate all religions.


I have deleted 4 posts of mine already...I know what you mean

103 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:08:13pm

re: #94 Aceofwhat?

dude, flowers are so 1980's...you need a makeover...

It's true. I know you have some excellent suggestions.

BTW Turkey burger with avocado, lettuce, tomato and feta.

I shit my pants with anticipation.

104 palomino  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:08:21pm

OT: here's Beck from earlier today...

“Something beyond imagination is happening,’’ he said. “America today begins to turn back to God.’’

Beck exhorted the crowd to “recognize your place to the creator. Realize that he is our king. He is the one who guides and directs our life and protects us.’’ He asked his audience to pray more. “I ask, not only if you would pray on your knees, but pray on your knees but with your door open for your children to see,’’ he said.

First, this is boilerplate culture war rhetoric. "Accept God as I see him or you don't count."

Second, this is today's Republican Party, as they continue to morph into the Christian White People's Party.

Finally, can we dismiss the notion that tea partiers are only about small govt? What they seem to want is small govt when the opposition is in charge, but theocracy when power is returned (by God?) to their side.

105 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:08:24pm

re: #93 brookly red

no way dude, I am gonna tell them I post here & no frikin way will they seat me :)

brilliant. if the lawyers are liberals, they'll think you're an anti-muslim bigot, and if they're conservatives, they'll think that you take orders directly from Soros himself.

either way, you're getting thrown out!

106 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:09:05pm

re: #98 Killgore Trout

Muslims have damaged their own mosques before to claim oppression. It happens but it's rare. Bigots have also target mosques.

so we have a 48 hr discovery period, yes?

107 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:09:21pm

re: #85 LudwigVanQuixote

Good. Good man. This is going to get more violent before it gets less violent. So much will happen in November.

I disagree, politely, Sir.
I think the "patriots" are lots of talk and no action.
They might or might not even vote...

108 [deleted]  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:09:47pm
109 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:10:18pm

re: #85 LudwigVanQuixote

Good. Good man. This is going to get more violent before it gets less violent. So much will happen in November.

I will not cease from speaking out.

Youtube Video

Sung by the great Paul Robeson. And yes, he was a commie, and I love him eternally anyway.

110 brownbagj  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:10:24pm

re: #103 Jeff In Ohio

I shit my pants with anticipation.

Is this an Ohio thing?

111 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:10:26pm

re: #108 researchok

Do not quote the trolls.
Lest you get deleted too...

112 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:10:49pm

re: #103 Jeff In Ohio

It's true. I know you have some excellent suggestions.

BTW Turkey burger with avocado, lettuce, tomato and feta.

I shit my pants with anticipation.

that's waaay better than mine, although in my defense, i was cooking for small girls. just a little salt, pepper, sage, and thyme. oh, and muenster cheese.

and i didn't have to change my pants, so it worked out in the end...

113 Dancing along the light of day  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:10:54pm

re: #110 brownbagj

TMI, either way....

114 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:11:05pm

I don't believe the crap that's going on in this thread.

115 researchok  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:11:19pm

re: #111 Floral Giraffe

Do not quote the trolls.
Lest you get deleted too...

I was not agreeing with the moron.

Trust me on that.

116 brownbagj  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:11:20pm

re: #92 brownbagj

It is possible that a moderate Muslim working for a Pro51 group did this.

Not that I think that, I am just sayin'.

I hope everyone knows this is a joke.

117 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:12:05pm

re: #110 brownbagj

Is this an Ohio thing?

Mostly personal. You don't want to know.

118 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:12:07pm

re: #99 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

re: #105 Aceofwhat?

the sad part is I do actually try to look at the facts, and that is sooo hated.

119 William Barnett-Lewis  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:12:28pm

re: #102 HoosierHoops

I have deleted 4 posts of mine already...I know what you mean

I've tried to think of something semi-intellegent or humorous all day. But instead I'm just going to go to YouTube & find Bono singing about Pride & remember watching them while 70,000+ of us sang along. That's one way I can remember MLK today despite Beck & company.

120 palomino  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:12:30pm

re: #106 brookly red

so we have a 48 hr discovery period, yes?

Sure, 48 hours, 96 hours, whatever it takes to find the individual loon who did this.

What's more disturbing about Murfreesboro is the size of the anti-mosque protests they've had lately. And they've got nothing to do with Ground Zero sensitivity, as NYC is like 20,000 blocks away.

121 reine.de.tout  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:12:30pm

The Mufreesboro Islamic Center has apparently been operating in Murfreesboro for 30 years.

It's been there for 30 years.

And for some odd reason the citizens of Murfreesboro are just now getting upset? And there's an arson at the site?

I'm thinking a lot of folks have put their brains on hold, and gotten sucked into the craziness

122 HappyBenghazi  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:12:35pm

I gotta say I'm amused by people who say there's no evidence that anti Muslim people did this yet go around and hint that they did to themselves with equally no evidence.

123 brownbagj  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:12:51pm

re: #117 Jeff In Ohio

Mostly personal. You don't want to know.

You're right. I should have never asked.

124 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:12:55pm

re: #106 brookly red

so we have a 48 hr discovery period, yes?

I wouldn't stick my neck out either way but if I were a better man I'd bet on the perp being a "patriotic" Fox news watcher resisting Islamification.

125 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:13:28pm

re: #108 researchok

yowza, no wonder that post got blocked like a JV linebacker. what a tool.

126 brownbagj  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:14:15pm

re: #121 reine.de.tout

This point was brought up by the Daily Show just this week. 30 years...no problems. Now, with all of the anti-Islam BS....problems.

Nah, there couldn't be causation there.

127 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:14:21pm

Back in February this year, another mosque in Nashville was vandalized.

The Muslim community in TN has faced what seems like an onslaught of hatred and violence since 9/11, from individuals and groups determined to enforce their rigid worldviews on a peaceful Muslim Americans. It’s vital that news organizations remind Tennesseans that when it comes to hate speech and violence, Muslims in TN are on the receiving end.

At that time, Steve Edelstein, the Executive Director of the Jewish Federation in Nashville, wrote a letter to the mosque.

To the Leaders and Members of the Al-Farooq Mosque:

Please know that we, in the Jewish community, are appalled by the desecration of your place of worship. One of the most important freedoms accorded by the U.S. Constitution is the freedom to worship as one chooses, and it is why this country has attracted immigrants representing nearly all the religions of the world.

Unfortunately, there are those in this country who, through ignorance, unbridled hatred of those different from them or a need for attention, commit these abhorrent acts. As Jews, we have been subjected to similar attacks on our synagogues and communal institutions in Nashville over the years and can empathize with your anguish.

As G-d’s children, we must all speak out against intolerance, bigotry and the resulting violence.

May you find support from the Nashville community to help you through this difficult time.

Can I get an Amen!

128 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:14:59pm

re: #100 Charles

What. The. Fuck.

Saw that comin'.

Youtube Video
129 researchok  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:15:43pm

re: #125 Aceofwhat?

yowza, no wonder that post got blocked like a JV linebacker. what a tool.

Yup. What nice bunch of folks they are.

130 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:15:47pm

re: #124 Killgore Trout

I wouldn't stick my neck out either way but if I were a better man I'd bet on the perp being a "patriotic" Fox news watcher resisting Islamification.

sad but true, most arsons are simply insurance scams. no politics just profit.

131 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:16:47pm

re: #106 brookly red

so we have a 48 hr discovery period, yes?

no, we work on the discovery until we figure it out, no matter how long it takes. in the meantime, identifying a 'likely' scenario isn't exactly rocket surgery...

132 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:17:58pm

Just as I predicted, the wingnut blogs are going bugeyed nuts over the CBS crowd estimate.

Jim Hoft is the head moran right now. He's insisting there were 500,000 people.

I expect the claims to go over a million by tomorrow.

133 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:18:25pm

i missed the fun?

or is some concerned netizen or another going to return for an encore?

134 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:19:19pm

re: #131 Aceofwhat?

no, we work on the discovery until we figure it out, no matter how long it takes. in the meantime, identifying a 'likely' scenario isn't exactly rocket surgery...

sigh... a likely scenario is not admissible evidence.

135 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:19:27pm

Maybe one of the wingnuts will do a "scientific analysis" of a Yahoo News photo to prove how massive the crowd was. That's always fun.

136 mikhailtheplumber  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:19:38pm

re: #132 Charles

Just as I predicted, the wingnut blogs are going bugeyed nuts over the CBS crowd estimate.

Jim Hoft is the head moran right now. He's insisting there were 500,000 people.

I expect the claims to go over a million by tomorrow.

The actual numbers don't matter to them. The strategy is "let's repeat the number we want it to have been, and it will have been."

Goebbelian, if you guys don't mind my minor Godwinism.

137 Virginia Plain  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:20:11pm

re: #133 wozzablog

i missed the fun?

or is some concerned netizen or another going to return for an encore?

There's still some leftovers left from the days before LGF began to call out the right wing for their stupidity. They'll come out.

138 researchok  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:20:24pm

re: #132 Charles

Just as I predicted, the wingnut blogs are going bugeyed nuts over the CBS crowd estimate.

Jim Hoft is the head moran right now. He's insisting there were 500,000 people.

I expect the claims to go over a million by tomorrow.

Won't take that long.

Bachmann already made that claim.

On a day when crowd estimates could provide their respective groups with political clout, Bachmann asked her audience how many thought more than 1 million people were in attendance. The question was met by big cheers from the gathering of about 1,000. "We're not going let anyone get away with saying there were less than a million here today because we were witnesses," Bachmann said.

139 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:20:35pm

re: #134 brookly red

sigh... a likely scenario is not admissible evidence.

thus the judicious use of the word "likely"

140 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:20:41pm

re: #130 brookly red

sad but true, most arsons are simply insurance scams. no politics just profit.

sorry Stanley, that is just the way it is...

141 Stanghazi  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:21:17pm

re: #135 Charles

Crowd estimates vary, but it was large, and Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Mars) [my edit] quickly vowed that they were "not going to let anyone get away with saying there were less than a million."

142 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:21:43pm

re: #138 researchok

Won't take that long.

Bachmann already made that claim.

She can count above the number of her fingers and toes? Who knew?

143 researchok  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:22:15pm

re: #142 Cato the Elder

She can count above the number of her fingers and toes? Who knew?

Palin helped.

144 brownbagj  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:22:35pm

re: #142 Cato the Elder

She can count above the number of her fingers and toes? Who knew?

No, she probably thinks that the number right after her fingers and toes is a million. Then a gazillion.

145 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:23:14pm

re: #142 Cato the Elder

She can count above the number of her fingers and toes? Who knew?

Suppose she was an idiot. And suppose she was a member of Congress. But i repeat myself.

(apologies to M.Twain)

146 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:24:44pm

So Stanley, while you downding me to oblivion do you actually have any facts or evidence to offer or are you just going to continue to wallow in your hate for me?

147 Digital Display  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:24:56pm

re: #145 Aceofwhat?

Suppose she was an idiot. And suppose she was a member of Congress. But i repeat myself.

(apologies to M.Twain)

Hi Ace! Are you watching Indy racing?

148 elbruce  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:25:34pm

Probability breakdown:

99% says it's a hate crime
0.9% says it's completely random/unrelated
.09% lib'rul plant!!!
.01% did it themselves for I-can't-imagine-what reason

I'm pretty comfortable going with "hate crime."

149 Stanghazi  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:27:20pm

re: #146 brookly red

So Stanley, while you downding me to oblivion do you actually have any facts or evidence to offer or are you just going to continue to wallow in your hate for me?

I'm just sick of your pushback. And don't ask me for the definition, figure it out, you live it.

150 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:27:38pm

re: #147 HoosierHoops

Hi Ace! Are you watching Indy racing?

no, my friend, i just can't watch racing. well, i can, but i become bored!

i'm watching the cowboys suck and wishing that Steve was around so that i could rub his nose in it.

US Open is coming up...College Football on Thursday...sing it with me: It's the mooost wonderful tiiiime of the yeaaar!!

151 Stanghazi  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:28:15pm

re: #148 elbruce

Probability breakdown:

99% says it's a hate crime
0.9% says it's completely random/unrelated
.09% lib'rul plant!!!
.01% did it themselves for I-can't-imagine-what reason

I'm pretty comfortable going with "hate crime."

nonono. Arson for the insurance money.

152 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:28:27pm

re: #114 Charles

I don't believe the crap that's going on in this thread.

Time for a bit of housecleaning?

153 elbruce  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:28:42pm

re: #130 brookly red

sad but true, most arsons are simply insurance scams. no politics just profit.

A project that was already budgeted for, where construction isn't even complete yet is unlikely to be an insurance scam. Unless there were already massive construction cost overruns and delays, it doesn't fit the profile.

154 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:28:53pm

re: #148 elbruce

Probability breakdown:

99% says it's a hate crime
0.9% says it's completely random/unrelated
.09% lib'rul plant!!!
.01% did it themselves for I-can't-imagine-what reason

I'm pretty comfortable going with "hate crime."

looks a lot like my math...

155 mikhailtheplumber  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:29:20pm

re: #151 Stanley Sea

nonono. Arson for the insurance money.

Obviously in such a politicized context, and with every eye in America watching the mosque situation, the owners must have decided it was the right time to go for an insurance fraud.

156 Charles Johnson  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:29:37pm

Behind the scenes, another sock puppet who was using two accounts has been blocked, and a Chinese spammer who's registered six times before was discovered in a new block of IP addresses.

I really don't want to block out the entire Chinese IP range, but I'm about to do it because these spammers are really getting annoying.

157 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:29:45pm

re: #149 Stanley Sea

I'm just sick of your pushback. And don't ask me for the definition, figure it out, you live it.

push back? you mean daring to question your world view? you mean not accepting your posts as gospel? be as sick as you want. Homey don't play dat.

158 Stanghazi  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:29:52pm

re: #155 mikhailtheplumber

Obviously in such a politicized context, and with every eye in America watching the mosque situation, the owners must have decided it was the right time to go for an insurance fraud.

lol!!!

159 elbruce  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:30:08pm

A project where hundreds or thousands of vitriolic, religiously motivated hateful bigots are frothing at the mouth over having their holy land invaded by aliens does fit the profile for a hate crime.

160 brownbagj  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:30:18pm

re: #150 Aceofwhat?

I AM READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL!!

161 avanti  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:30:26pm

re: #148 elbruce

Probability breakdown:

99% says it's a hate crime
0.9% says it's completely random/unrelated
.09% lib'rul plant!!!
.01% did it themselves for I-can't-imagine-what reason

I'm pretty comfortable going with "hate crime."


I see zero point in assuming anything firm until we know who did it, and why. It could be a hate crime, a random act of vandalism, or anything in between. It's fun to speculate on the possibility of a hate crime because of the current climate, but I recall the census worker story of a few months back.

162 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:30:50pm

re: #141 Stanley Sea

Herbstreit picked the Gators to win the SEC...i think they have a good shot; Alabama's defense hasn't even started shaving yet. They might be overrated.

163 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:30:53pm

For those who don't know Paul Robeson, here's another sample.

Youtube Video

A voice to make James Earl Jones's "Darth Vader" sound like a wimp.

164 brownbagj  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:31:52pm

re: #162 Aceofwhat?

Don't forget the Auburn Tigers he picked to win the SEC West....

165 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:31:55pm

re: #14 seopad

Buh-bye, dickhead...

/When a sock/troll resorts to calling Charles "Chuck", you know their time is expired

166 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:32:01pm

re: #153 elbruce

A project that was already budgeted for, where construction isn't even complete yet is unlikely to be an insurance scam. Unless there were already massive construction cost overruns and delays, it doesn't fit the profile.

now that is objective thinking and I am sure the detectives on the case have said the same thing...

167 elbruce  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:33:42pm

re: #161 avanti

I see zero point in assuming anything firm until we know who did it, and why.

Yes, we should never engage in speculation about potentially politically relevant news items on the Internet... what Internet do you live on, may I ask? I suppose yours doesn't have any porn either.

168 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:33:45pm

re: #163 Cato the Elder

For those who don't know Paul Robeson

Clan Donnachaidh. Probably not, but I like to think we're related. Man that guy had a voice.

169 avanti  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:34:11pm

re: #152 Cato the Elder

Time for a bit of housecleaning?

BS, respectfully stated opinions should always be welcome, even if they are unpopular.

170 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:35:24pm

A couple years back in Nashville somebody took a shit on a Koran and lit it on fire in front of a Mosque. That was investigated by the feds as a hate crime.

Seems pretty stupid to leave that much of your DNA at the scene of a felony like that.

171 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:35:29pm

re: #169 avanti

BS, respectfully stated opinions should always be welcome, even if they are unpopular.

I agree.

But there is also some mask-dropping goin' on.

172 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:35:33pm

re: #169 avanti

BS, respectfully stated opinions should always be welcome, even if they are unpopular.

yup, like that.

173 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:36:04pm

re: #156 Charles

Behind the scenes, another sock puppet who was using two accounts has been blocked, and a Chinese spammer who's registered six times before was discovered in a new block of IP addresses.

I really don't want to block out the entire Chinese IP range, but I'm about to do it because these spammers are really getting annoying.

I just sent you an e-mail.

174 brownbagj  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:36:19pm

re: #169 avanti

I don't think this is what Cato was referring to. Some have already flounced in this thread and Charles just mentioned two sock puppets.

175 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:36:24pm

re: #171 Cato the Elder

I agree.

But there is also some mask-dropping goin' on.

mask droppings? wtf get a life.

176 avanti  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:37:09pm

re: #167 elbruce

Yes, we should never engage in speculation about potentially politically relevant news items on the Internet... what Internet do you live on, may I ask? I suppose yours doesn't have any porn either.

Speculating is fine, but slamming another Lizard for speculating it might not be a hate crime, or asking for a 24 hour rule is not fine IMHO, especially before the facts are known.

177 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:37:09pm

re: #164 brownbagj

Don't forget the Auburn Tigers he picked to win the SEC West...

I agree, i think that people are sleeping on Auburn. They have a really nice crop of freshmen who might be able to contribute very quickly.

We'll need to see about their defense, though...they need to get a lot better.

178 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:37:29pm

re: #175 brookly red

get a life.


stones, glass houses.

179 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:38:26pm

re: #175 brookly red

mask droppings? wtf get a life.

ooops my bad... I thought you were referring to the legitimate posters. My bad. My bad.

180 avanti  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:38:50pm

re: #174 brownbagj

I don't think this is what Cato was referring to. Some have already flounced in this thread and Charles just mentioned two sock puppets.

OK, my bad. I've had my turn in the barrel when lefties were unpopular on here, so I spoke up.

181 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:39:21pm

laters kids.

182 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:39:38pm

re: #178 wozzablog

stones, glass houses.

and your issue is?

183 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:40:20pm

ELF!!!11!

184 brownbagj  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:40:26pm

re: #177 Aceofwhat?

Very true. The defense has no depth. They will probably be middle of the pack at best this year - but the offense should be something else with that new QB they have.

185 elbruce  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:40:45pm

re: #176 avanti

Speculating is fine, but slamming another Lizard for speculating it might not be a hate crime, or asking for a 24 hour rule is not fine IMHO, especially before the facts are known.

Yes, we should never slam each other over disagreement with our speculations on the Internet... what Internet do you live on, may I ask? I suppose yours doesn't have any porn either.

(trying to drop the snark, but it's getting increasingly difficult)

186 elbruce  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:41:13pm

re: #178 wozzablog

stones, glass houses.

I don't throw stones. I throw glass shards.

187 Stanghazi  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:41:19pm

re: #162 Aceofwhat?

Herbstreit picked the Gators to win the SEC...i think they have a good shot; Alabama's defense hasn't even started shaving yet. They might be overrated.

YES

188 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:41:30pm

re: #182 brookly red

and your issue is?

with anyone on the internet telling anyone else to get a life.

189 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:41:35pm

re: #92 brownbagj

It is possible that a moderate Muslim working for a Pro51 group did this.

Not that I think that, I am just sayin'.

There's that "just sayin'" shit again. It's like the word "but"...everything that precedes it is negated.

190 brownbagj  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:41:35pm

re: #180 avanti

Well, it is how I took. But I am not exactly on the inside of some of the bickering that goes on here.

191 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:41:43pm

re: #185 elbruce

Yes, we should never slam each other over disagreement with our speculations on the Internet... what Internet do you live on, may I ask? I suppose yours doesn't have any porn either.

(trying to drop the snark, but it's getting increasingly difficult)

embrace the snark, become one with the snark...

192 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:42:27pm

re: #185 elbruce

I guess you really enjoy making sporadic comments on slow work days that would piss people off?

193 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:42:52pm

re: #186 elbruce

I don't throw stones. I throw glass shards.

/I throw acid... we should compare notes.

194 brownbagj  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:43:21pm

re: #189 talon_262

You do understand it was a joke....sort of poking at those who would think it as likely that a liberal or Muslim plant lit the fire.

Sarcasm.

195 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:45:04pm

Wingnuts:

Youtube Video
196 Lidane  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:45:31pm

Completely OT, but prepare to laugh, cry, or punch someone. VH1 has released their list of the 100 Greatest Artists of All Time:

[Link: blog.vh1.com...]

197 brookly red  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:46:11pm

I blame no one this just ain't a productive thread... so catch you all later.

198 brownbagj  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:46:39pm

Ok. It seems I keep getting downdinged for a comment upthread about a Muslim plant doing this. IT WAS SARCASM DIRECTED AT THOSE WHO AID THIS WAS EQUALLY PLAUSIBLE AS SOME PISSED OFF NUT.

I do not think that at all, was just pointing out how SILLY an argument like this sounds.

199 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:47:17pm

re: #195 Cato the Elder

Youtube Video
200 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:47:51pm

re: #175 brookly red

mask droppings? wtf get a life.

I have a life, thank you very much.

I have a home, a family, a magical dog, a library bigger than yours, a brain bigger than yours, and lots and lots of friends.

Get a soul.

201 Killgore Trout  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:47:52pm

Skip to 0:50

Liveleak Video

"Martin Luther King would be glad to see everybody come"
/Look out for the left hook
202 Nervous Norvous  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:48:04pm

Completely and totally OT, but I have the best wife in the world!

203 Gus  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:48:27pm

re: #198 brownbagj

Ok. It seems I keep getting downdinged for a comment upthread about a Muslim plant doing this. IT WAS SARCASM DIRECTED AT THOSE WHO AID THIS WAS EQUALLY PLAUSIBLE AS SOME PISSED OFF NUT.

I do not think that at all, was just pointing out how SILLY an argument like this sounds.

Roger. Copy. Over. 10-4.

204 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:48:40pm

re: #15 brookly red

so much for the 48 hr rule I guess...

What 48 hour rule? The sheriff says it was arson. We don't know who, or how, although I will admit to some suspicions, but someone in a position to know says the thing was set on fire.

205 Stanghazi  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:49:04pm

re: #198 brownbagj

Ok. It seems I keep getting downdinged for a comment upthread about a Muslim plant doing this. IT WAS SARCASM DIRECTED AT THOSE WHO AID THIS WAS EQUALLY PLAUSIBLE AS SOME PISSED OFF NUT.

I do not think that at all, was just pointing out how SILLY an argument like this sounds.

I saw it. Don't know why I had sacrasm fu at that moment, but I saw it.

206 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:49:15pm

re: #199 LudwigVanQuixote

I really hate Tennessee Nazis.

207 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:49:18pm

re: #21 Jeff In Ohio

The people at the mosque in Tennessee have a history of it? Link?

I would have been more sympathetic to people's concerns about the mosque if I knew the congregation had a history of arson!!

//

208 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:49:29pm

I love scotch.

209 brownbagj  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:49:39pm

re: #203 Gus 802

Thanks Gus. :)

210 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:50:26pm

re: #206 marjoriemoon

I really hate Tennessee Nazis.

I am not so prejudiced. I hate all Nazis.

I will hate them until the last one is dead.

211 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:50:45pm

re: #208 Aceofwhat?

I love scotch.

*checks the mosque for any signs that liquor was used as an accelerant*

212 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:50:47pm

re: #202 PT Barnum

Completely and totally OT, but I have the best wife in the world!

And she's about to get a poem!

213 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:50:55pm

re: #202 PT Barnum

Completely and totally OT, but I have the best wife in the world!

Mazel Tov!

214 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:51:38pm

re: #210 LudwigVanQuixote

I am not so prejudiced. I hate all Nazis.

I will hate them until the last one is dead.

That was a play on "I hate Illinois Nazis" from the movie.

215 Nervous Norvous  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:51:38pm

re: #212 Cato the Elder

And she's about to get a poem!

That would be nice as she gave me a nook for our Anniversary. (The E Reader, you dirty minded people!)

216 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:51:40pm

re: #52 Cato the Elder

"Not insinuating", in your case, is code for "insinuating".

Go soak your head.

"Look, are you insinuating something?"

"OH, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no...yes."

"Well?"

217 Ojoe  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:51:53pm

The FD put out the fire in less than a minaret.

This is a hot button issue.

You can roll up in a rug to smother a fire.

Can't think of any more jokes at the moment.

Gotta have 'em anymore, it is too crazy now.

BBL

218 brownbagj  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:52:00pm

re: #205 Stanley Sea

I keep forgetting sarc tags. I assume folks know me so I don't always put them.

Plus I don't want Cato getting after me for putting silly symbols at the end of all of my posts.

219 Nervous Norvous  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:52:10pm

re: #216 SanFranciscoZionist

"Look, are you insinuating something?"

"OH, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no...yes."

"Well?"

Have you ever slept with a lady?

What's it like?

220 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:52:16pm

re: #211 JasonA

*checks the mosque for any signs that liquor was used as an accelerant*

heh, i'm not even sure i'd waste it to start a fire if i was stranded in the snowy hinterlands...using decent scotch to start a fire is heresy, i'm sure. it's probably in the bible or something.

221 Nervous Norvous  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:52:45pm

re: #217 Ojoe

The FD put out the fire in less than a minaret.

This is a hot button issue.

You can roll up in a rug to smother a fire.

Can't think of any more jokes at the moment.

Gotta have 'em anymore, it is too crazy now.

BBL

I regret that I have but one upding to give for that post.

222 freetoken  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:52:56pm

re: #210 LudwigVanQuixote

I am not so prejudiced. I hate all Nazis.

I will hate them until the last one is dead.

Let's hope there are no Nazi zombies...

223 Velvet Elvis  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:53:03pm

re: #196 Lidane

Completely OT, but prepare to laugh, cry, or punch someone. VH1 has released their list of the 100 Greatest Artists of All Time:

[Link: blog.vh1.com...]

Justin Timberlake before Janis Joplin? The whole thing is bullshit.

224 Nervous Norvous  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:53:29pm

re: #220 Aceofwhat?

heh, i'm not even sure i'd waste it to start a fire if i was stranded in the snowy hinterlands...using decent scotch to start a fire is heresy, i'm sure. it's probably in the bible or something.

I thought a decent scotch was Hennesey? (I wouldn't know, though, don't care for Scotch or Whiskey either one)

225 darthstar  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:53:38pm

Crap...not another "isolated incident"...

226 freetoken  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:53:42pm

re: #223 Conservative Moonbat

Justin Timberlake before Janis Joplin? The whole thing is bullshit.

Going to VH1 for the "Greatest Artists of All Time" is like going to Walmart to shop for fine china.

227 darthstar  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:55:08pm

re: Beck crowd size downthread. I guessed 60,000 based on the few photos I saw...and my experience going to music festivals. 87,000 makes sense though, as you get the fringes who don't show up because of the trees.

228 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:55:11pm

re: #99 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

"Is there any reason why you would not be impartial if you served as a juror in this case?"
"I post on Little Green Footballs."
"...get the [bleep!] out."

My mother once got dismissed from a jury because she was asked if she spoke Spanish, and said she did not, but both her parents did. This is true, but we think they removed her because they thought that meant she was Latina, and both my grandparents on that side are Ashkenazim who grew up in New York.

229 Nervous Norvous  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:55:34pm

re: #224 PT Barnum

I thought a decent scotch was Hennesey? (I wouldn't know, though, don't care for Scotch or Whiskey either one)

Guy walks into a bar and orders 3 shots of Glenn Levitt (no, I don't know how to spell it)

The bartender serves them up and the guy just slams em down, one after the other. The bartenders says "Man, you drank those fast!"

The guy says "Well, you'd slam them too if you had what I have."

The bartender says "Gee, Fella I'm sorry, what do you have?"

"Fifty cents"

230 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:55:41pm

re: #216 SanFranciscoZionist

"Look, are you insinuating something?"

"OH, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no...yes."

"Well?"

A nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat, eh??

231 JamesWI  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:55:52pm

Hypothetical question - If John McCain had won the election, do you think all of this anti-Muslim nonsense would be so strong? I know there are certainly other factors that contribute towards the craziness (namely, with the economy in the crapper, people are angry and look for "enemies" to direct that anger towards), but without the constant stream of hate towards Obama and the left since he has been in office, would the views of people like Geller and Spencer ever even have had a shot at catching on?

With Bush as President, even at a time where one would have expected tons of backlash against Muslims, it was surprisingly (and thankfully) calm. Now that a lefty is in office and you have Fox News and right-wing blogs in full-on hate-spewing mode, it's getting worse. I have to think that is the biggest reason.

232 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:55:57pm

re: #218 brownbagj

I keep forgetting sarc tags. I assume folks know me so I don't always put them.

Plus I don't want Cato getting after me for putting silly symbols at the end of all of my posts.

I hope you don't think I really shit my pants after eating a turkey burger. Real men don't kill coyotes.

233 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:56:12pm

re: #222 freetoken

Let's hope there are no Nazi zombies...

MMM that has been fodder for several movies.

The thing is, that if the teabags were made into zombies, their intelligence would increase. They would certainly be more dangerous then.

234 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:56:57pm

re: #224 PT Barnum

I thought a decent scotch was Hennesey? (I wouldn't know, though, don't care for Scotch or Whiskey either one)

It's ok. I'm drinking Macallan at the moment, but just the normal 10yr stuff.

235 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:57:55pm

re: #222 freetoken

Let's hope there are no Nazi zombies...

I do believe there's a whole Norwegian or Swedish movie about Nazi zombies. Can't remember the name right now.

Thank God, it's only a movie.

Oh, wait.

236 brownbagj  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:58:11pm

re: #232 Jeff In Ohio

Dude. I just laughed out loud - loud enough so the kids asked me why.

I just told them some guy on the Internet told me he really didn't crap his pants. They all laughed too.

237 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:58:57pm

re: #130 brookly red

sad but true, most arsons are simply insurance scams. no politics just profit.

Most synagogue and church arsons aren't.

I doubt most mosque arsons are.

238 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 6:59:20pm

re: #134 brookly red

sigh... a likely scenario is not admissible evidence.

This isn't a court of law, either.

239 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:00:30pm

re: #142 Cato the Elder

She can count above the number of her fingers and toes? Who knew?

She can count all the way to potato.

240 Gus  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:00:59pm

re: #231 JamesWI

Hypothetical question - If John McCain had won the election, do you think all of this anti-Muslim nonsense would be so strong? I know there are certainly other factors that contribute towards the craziness (namely, with the economy in the crapper, people are angry and look for "enemies" to direct that anger towards), but without the constant stream of hate towards Obama and the left since he has been in office, would the views of people like Geller and Spencer ever even have had a shot at catching on?

With Bush as President, even at a time where one would have expected tons of backlash against Muslims, it was surprisingly (and thankfully) calm. Now that a lefty is in office and you have Fox News and right-wing blogs in full-on hate-spewing mode, it's getting worse. I have to think that is the biggest reason.

Probably not. The reason being because the Obama victory set the stage for the far-right extremist on two fronts regarding racist bigotry, anti-Muslim bigotry, and general xenophobia by way of the birth certificate conspiracy. By the time 2010 came rolling in the America far-right was already primed with hatred by way of that and most of the Tea Party rhetoric. We also have to keep in mind that a great deal of Islamaphobia has been directed even towards the POTUS by these right wing extremists. The Tea Party for example would probably not exist had McCain won.

241 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:01:12pm

re: #194 brownbagj

You do understand it was a joke...sort of poking at those who would think it as likely that a liberal or Muslim plant lit the fire.

Sarcasm.

re: #198 brownbagj

Ok. It seems I keep getting downdinged for a comment upthread about a Muslim plant doing this. IT WAS SARCASM DIRECTED AT THOSE WHO AID THIS WAS EQUALLY PLAUSIBLE AS SOME PISSED OFF NUT.

I do not think that at all, was just pointing out how SILLY an argument like this sounds.

My bad...apparently my sarcasm detector is partially on the fritz tonight. Downding retracted...

242 Lidane  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:01:16pm

re: #231 JamesWI

Hypothetical question - If John McCain had won the election, do you think all of this anti-Muslim nonsense would be so strong?

No. It wouldn't be an issue. All this garbage has its roots in the nirther movement, with the idiots who are convinced that not only is Obama a Seekrit Mooslim Usurper that's illegally holding office, but that he's from Kenya, too.

243 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:01:18pm

re: #239 negativ

She can count all the way to potatoe.


fify

244 elbruce  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:01:41pm

re: #235 Cato the Elder

I do believe there's a whole Norwegian or Swedish movie about Nazi zombies. Can't remember the name right now.

Død snø

Nazi zombies also appear towards the end of the Illuminatus! trilogy of books.

245 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:01:41pm

Ahhhh...

Just to lighten the mood... A white trash Christmas:

Youtube Video
246 freetoken  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:01:49pm

re: #235 Cato the Elder

I do believe there's a whole Norwegian or Swedish movie about Nazi zombies. Can't remember the name right now.

I seem to remember a movie something like that...

247 simoom  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:02:05pm

Some guy from the Beck rally:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CY5aFvRe2E#t=2m01s
(the link should auto-magically jump to 2 minutes in)

Reason.tv Interviewer: Religion is important to you. It's important to people here today. What about Judaism or Islam. How does that factor in? Is that OK as well?

Rally Attendee: Judaism, this bible was written by Jews. Islam, it doesn't factor in.

Interviewer: What do you mean?

Attendee: It just doesn't factor in. They're here to kill us. If you're a good Muslim you'll kill Christians.

248 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:02:08pm

re: #231 JamesWI

Hypothetical question - If John McCain had won the election, do you think all of this anti-Muslim nonsense would be so strong? I know there are certainly other factors that contribute towards the craziness (namely, with the economy in the crapper, people are angry and look for "enemies" to direct that anger towards), but without the constant stream of hate towards Obama and the left since he has been in office, would the views of people like Geller and Spencer ever even have had a shot at catching on?

With Bush as President, even at a time where one would have expected tons of backlash against Muslims, it was surprisingly (and thankfully) calm. Now that a lefty is in office and you have Fox News and right-wing blogs in full-on hate-spewing mode, it's getting worse. I have to think that is the biggest reason.

It's all McCain's fault for throwing the election.

249 freetoken  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:02:23pm

re: #244 elbruce

thanks, that's it.

250 cronus  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:03:06pm

From the "family values for thee, but not for me" file:

BATON ROUGE, La. (AP) - Sen. David Vitter wins Republican nomination for Senate in Louisiana.
251 Wozza Matter?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:03:57pm

ok, really, gone now.

watched wall-e earlier with my old surround hooked back up - freaking wow!


anways, pleasant lizardoid dreams to all.

252 elbruce  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:04:30pm

re: #231 JamesWI

Hypothetical question - If John McCain had won the election, do you think all of this anti-Muslim nonsense would be so strong?

It seems to me that to some extent, the President also serves as a kind of "racist-in-chief," although since Obama's election we haven't been able to notice it. If it's a regular old white guy in charge, borderline racists have a harder time buying into "dark folks are gonna git us" conspiracy theories. They know that the President is "one of us," so he's in position to prevent any such "takeover of Amur'ca." Without that in place, they feel compelled to step forward and combat the Brown Menace themselves. Just a specious theory of mine, but it seems to be bearing out so far.

253 Ben G. Hazi  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:04:36pm

re: #224 PT Barnum

I thought a decent scotch was Hennesey? (I wouldn't know, though, don't care for Scotch or Whiskey either one)

Hennesey is a cognac, not a Scotch...

254 What, me worry?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:04:41pm

re: #247 simoom

Ahhh Muslims have their very own blood libel. How special.

Whata buncha freaks.

255 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:05:44pm

re: #244 elbruce

Død snø

Nazi zombies also appear towards the end of the Illuminatus! trilogy of books.

AH geez, a few month back we had a real throw down over the effect of Discordianism on the Tea Party movement.

Not really.

256 Nervous Norvous  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:06:00pm

re: #253 talon_262

Hennesey is a cognac, not a Scotch...

Didn't I tell you I didn't know anything about that?

I know Tangeray and Tonic and Jose Cuervo, as the only two types of booze I drink are gin and tequila, otherwise it's beer.

257 Nervous Norvous  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:06:36pm

re: #255 Jeff In Ohio

AH geez, a few month back we had a real throw down over the effect of Discordianism on the Tea Party movement.

Not really.

Nazi Zombies, wasn't that part of the story line behind the original Wolfenstein?

258 Targetpractice  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:06:40pm

re: #222 freetoken

Let's hope there are no Nazi zombies...

Image: shock_waves01.jpg

259 brownbagj  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:06:48pm

re: #241 talon_262

No worries. Not mad at whoever downdings me....I could see how you might not see the sarcasm and the comment would warrant a downding if it truly wasn't sarcasm.

260 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:08:12pm

A brief search didn't turn up any prior posts. Sorry if this is a dupe.

Madera Islamic center vandalism called hate crime

MADERA, Calif. -- Recent vandalism at a Madera Islamic center, including a brick thrown at the building, is being investigated as a hate crime.

Madera County Sheriff's deputies say since Aug. 18, the Masjid Madera center has been the victim of a series of attacks.

Three signs that read "No Temple for the God of terrorism at Ground Zero. ANB," "Wake up America, the Enemy is here. ANB" and "American Nationalist Brotherhood" were left at the center. On Friday, a brick was thrown at a wall.

Officers are asking anyone with information about the attacks to contact the department.

261 Jeff In Ohio  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:08:31pm

re: #257 PT Barnum

Nazi Zombies, wasn't that part of the story line behind the original Wolfenstein?

Dunno. I'm just free associating. Did I stumble into something?

262 Nervous Norvous  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:10:24pm

re: #261 Jeff In Ohio

Dunno. I'm just free associating. Did I stumble into something?

Yes.

263 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:10:38pm

re: #1 Conservative Moonbat

Terrorism, plain and simple.

It could be. But there have been instances of arson at Christian churches, and we don't put them all down to racism, or Islam, or Satanism. This could be politically or religiously motivated arson, or it could be garden-variety idiot firebugs.

Either way arson is a serious crime and I hope they catch whoever did it and mete out appropriate punishment. And then a little extra.

The timing is suspicious.

264 brownbagj  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:11:15pm

Lizards....time to call it a night. Time to read some bedtime stories to the little brownbags.

265 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:11:26pm

re: #261 Jeff In Ohio

Dunno. I'm just free associating. Did I stumble into something?

Dead Snow

[Link: www.hulu.com...]

266 elbruce  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:12:02pm

re: #194 brownbagj

You do understand it was a joke...sort of poking at those who would think it as likely that a liberal or Muslim plant lit the fire.

Sarcasm.

The etiquette around here seems to be that if you're being sarcastic, follow your post with between one and three slash marks ("/") depending on the level of sarcasm involved. It can be on the same line or below, and optionally followed by a description of who you were speaking as.

267 Nervous Norvous  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:12:05pm

re: #264 brownbagj

Lizards...time to call it a night. Time to read some bedtime stories to the little brownbags.

I'm gonna go kill something...kobolds and orcs await.

268 elbruce  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:14:15pm

re: #263 lostlakehiker

It could be. But there have been instances of arson at Christian churches, and we don't put them all down to racism, or Islam, or Satanism. This could be politically or religiously motivated arson, or it could be garden-variety idiot firebugs.

During the civil rights struggle, arsons at predominantly black churches could clearly be laid at the feet of racists opposing equal rights and integration. If there's a vocal mass movement currently opposing the people whose place of religion gets burned, then followers of that movement are going to be a prime suspect. It just so happens that there is such a movement against Islam today.

269 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:15:37pm

re: #253 talon_262

Hennesey is a cognac, not a Scotch...

Good call. For the life of me, i thought he said Chivas.

270 Aceofwhat?  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:16:42pm

re: #256 PT Barnum

Didn't I tell you I didn't know anything about that?

I know Tangeray and Tonic and Jose Cuervo, as the only two types of booze I drink are gin and tequila, otherwise it's beer.

Tequila...ouch.

271 elbruce  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:18:34pm

re: #229 PT Barnum

Glenn Levitt (no, I don't know how to spell it)

It's technically "the Glenlivet" (yes, "the" is part of the name).

272 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:23:42pm

re: #268 elbruce

During the civil rights struggle, arsons at predominantly black churches could clearly be laid at the feet of racists opposing equal rights and integration. If there's a vocal mass movement currently opposing the people whose place of religion gets burned, then followers of that movement are going to be a prime suspect. It just so happens that there is such a movement against Islam today.

It wasn't so simple then. The arson rate at black churches included garden variety arson. Firebugs are a nasty fact of life and they'll light up anything for no particular reason except that it will burn. This complicates the job of sorting out sicko hate-fires from run of the mill sicko-fires.

I'm giving 50-50 odds that this was deliberately aimed at a mosque as mosque, vs. the work of some equal opportunity evildoer. When they catch whoever did it, then we'll have a better idea.

273 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:24:11pm

I wonder if the numb-nuts who did this realize that the mosque didn't lose anything here. The construction company, Ole South Properties, Inc., did.

274 Lidane  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:25:34pm

re: #270 Aceofwhat?

Tequila...ouch.

Depends on the tequila. Some of the really good ones, like Corralejo Reposado and Porfidio Anejo, are so smooth that you can drink them chilled, no lime, no salt. They're awesome.

Problem is, most folks drink shit tequila.

275 CuriousLurker  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:26:03pm

re: #247 simoom

Some guy from the Beck rally:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7CY5aFvRe2E#t=2m01s
(the link should auto-magically jump to 2 minutes in)

[...]

Attendee: It just doesn't factor in. They're here to kill us. If you're a good Muslim you'll kill Christians.

I'm clearly not a good Muslim then. I guess I'll have to try harder. /

276 Lidane  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:27:56pm

re: #275 CuriousLurker

I'm clearly not a good Muslim then.

The same could be said for 99.9% of Muslims, if that's the standard for what makes a good one. I wonder who gave that idiot that bit of "wisdom".

I guess I'll have to try harder. /

Heh.

277 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:28:33pm

re: #252 elbruce

It seems to me that to some extent, the President also serves as a kind of "racist-in-chief," although since Obama's election we haven't been able to notice it. If it's a regular old white guy in charge, borderline racists have a harder time buying into "dark folks are gonna git us" conspiracy theories. They know that the President is "one of us," so he's in position to prevent any such "takeover of Amur'ca." Without that in place, they feel compelled to step forward and combat the Brown Menace themselves. Just a specious theory of mine, but it seems to be bearing out so far.

I don't think that has much to do with it. The economic situation is a bigger contributing factor. People feel threatened by forces they can't begin to understand or master, and turn to easy answers and nameable "menaces".

We really are at sea with this economic downturn. This administration doesn't instill much confidence, and a return to Bush-style governance hardly seems likely to improve matters.

Most of us can cope without lashing out at scapegoats. Unfortunately, most is not the same thing as all.

278 lostlakehiker  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:35:44pm

re: #74 Cato the Elder

And so it begins.

Years - almost a decade - of Robert Spencer's "passionate, reasonable voice" (Horowitz) declaiming over and over that "there may be moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam" are beginning to bear strange fruit.

He does his "looka me, I'm so rational" shtick whilst the Harpy rants and screeches and gives the base a hateboner.

I have a secret annex in my house all ready to hide Muslim Americans when the day comes that they are hunted in the streets by the followers of Horowitz's butt-buddy.

In the meantime, I shall not cease from calling them what they are: modern-day Nazis, American fascists, haters who would make Hitler proud, and scum.

Go "hunting" like that in most parts of the country and you'll find yourself in the slammer if you're lucky, or shot to rags by armed civilians who don't appreciate home invasions whatever the excuse, if you're not lucky.

Lynch mobs are not in fashion, not in blue states, and not in red. This, in the final analysis, is why we don't have lynch mobs.

279 RadicalModerate  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:36:55pm

Something for those individuals who are claiming that this mosque fire was an "inside job" by "Islamists":
There is one major difference between Islamic terrorists, and terrorists on the American far right - willingness to admit responsibility.

Whenever you see any act done by Islamic militants no matter where the target is, they almost ALWAYS are very eager, and very quick to jump up and claim responsibility, whether it be AlQaeda-related groups, or some obscure cell that no one has previously heard of. There's almost always a press release.
On the American far right, on the other hand, because of RICO and other organized crime statutes that we have on the books, American terrorists are always the "lone wolf", with no obvious ties to hate groups. Every time you see a Eric Rudolph, a Terry Nichols or a James von Brunn in the news, the people who they are associated with are always denying that they knew anything of the acts.

So far, in the past month we've had attempted arson of two mosques - one in Texas, one in Tennessee, and at least three cases of vandalism. Of those, how many have had a radical Islamist group claim responsibility?
Yeah, that would be "none".

I'm banking on the "another lone wolf" scenario here.

280 elbruce  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:43:30pm

re: #272 lostlakehiker

It wasn't so simple then. The arson rate at black churches included garden variety arson. Firebugs are a nasty fact of life and they'll light up anything for no particular reason except that it will burn. This complicates the job of sorting out sicko hate-fires from run of the mill sicko-fires.

If there are a bunch of people screaming at those churches, then it's a pretty clear signal to the "run of the mill sickos" that they've got free targets. Or at least, it creates the appearance that they do. In the end, it doesn't really matter what the arsonist was personally thinking. Whether he's an anti-Islamist, a firebug or whatever, the climate created by the anti-Islamists is what created the opening for the act.

281 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:51:56pm

re: #250 cronus

From the "family values for thee, but not for me" file:

My wife's statement when I read that to her: Fuck!

282 RadicalModerate  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:52:27pm

re: #272 lostlakehiker

It wasn't so simple then. The arson rate at black churches included garden variety arson. Firebugs are a nasty fact of life and they'll light up anything for no particular reason except that it will burn. This complicates the job of sorting out sicko hate-fires from run of the mill sicko-fires.

I'm giving 50-50 odds that this was deliberately aimed at a mosque as mosque, vs. the work of some equal opportunity evildoer. When they catch whoever did it, then we'll have a better idea.

Wait. Are you actually claiming that a significant number of arson cases of black churches in the south during the Civil Rights era were not set by white supremacists individuals and groups, but were unrelated cases? Just because there weren't convictions, or in many cases even arrests because of the complicity of the southern law enforcement individuals - those southern cops being upstanding Klan members and all - doesn't mean that those acts of terrorism weren't part of an overall intimidation effort.

283 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:54:40pm

re: #282 RadicalModerate

Wait. Are you actually claiming that a significant number of arson cases of black churches in the south during the Civil Rights era were not set by white supremacists individuals and groups, but were unrelated cases? Just because there weren't convictions, or in many cases even arrests because of the complicity of the southern law enforcement individuals - those southern cops being upstanding Klan members and all - doesn't mean that those acts of terrorism weren't part of an overall intimidation effort.

Are you saying EVERY cop in the South was complicit? That EVERY cop was a member of the KKK?

284 Romantic Heretic  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:55:03pm

re: #255 Jeff In Ohio

AH geez, a few month back we had a real throw down over the effect of Discordianism on the Tea Party movement.

Not really.

I preferred playing the UFOs myself. No one could figure out what I was up to.

285 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 7:55:32pm

re: #279 RadicalModerate

Something for those individuals who are claiming that this mosque fire was an "inside job" by "Islamists":
There is one major difference between Islamic terrorists, and terrorists on the American far right - willingness to admit responsibility.

Whenever you see any act done by Islamic militants no matter where the target is, they almost ALWAYS are very eager, and very quick to jump up and claim responsibility, whether it be AlQaeda-related groups, or some obscure cell that no one has previously heard of. There's almost always a press release.
On the American far right, on the other hand, because of RICO and other organized crime statutes that we have on the books, American terrorists are always the "lone wolf", with no obvious ties to hate groups. Every time you see a Eric Rudolph, a Terry Nichols or a James von Brunn in the news, the people who they are associated with are always denying that they knew anything of the acts.

So far, in the past month we've had attempted arson of two mosques - one in Texas, one in Tennessee, and at least three cases of vandalism. Of those, how many have had a radical Islamist group claim responsibility?
Yeah, that would be "none".

I'm banking on the "another lone wolf" scenario here.

Agreed. This probably some smoldering wingnut who finally flared up. I hope he's caught, because some one who sets a fire like this won't stop. If he isn't caught, he'll do it again.

286 Spare O'Lake  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 8:02:29pm

re: #74 Cato the Elder

And so it begins.

Years - almost a decade - of Robert Spencer's "passionate, reasonable voice" (Horowitz) declaiming over and over that "there may be moderate Muslims, but there is no moderate Islam" are beginning to bear strange fruit.

He does his "looka me, I'm so rational" shtick whilst the Harpy rants and screeches and gives the base a hateboner.

I have a secret annex in my house all ready to hide Muslim Americans when the day comes that they are hunted in the streets by the followers of Horowitz's butt-buddy.

In the meantime, I shall not cease from calling them what they are: modern-day Nazis, American fascists, haters who would make Hitler proud, and scum.

If you really have such an annex in your house you should dial 911.

287 swamprat  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 8:04:18pm

re: #280 elbruce

If there are a bunch of people screaming at those churches, then it's a pretty clear signal to the "run of the mill sickos" that they've got free targets. Or at least, it creates the appearance that they do. In the end, it doesn't really matter what the arsonist was personally thinking. Whether he's an anti-Islamist, a firebug or whatever, the climate created by the anti-Islamists is what created the opening for the act.

In the same manner, the cacaphony of hate directed at Sarah Palin was probably the reason for her church getting burned. When shouting starts, thinking ceases.

288 Cato the Elder  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 8:08:55pm

re: #286 Spare O'Lake

If you really have such an annex in your house you should dial 911.

Whu?

289 RadicalModerate  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 8:10:25pm

re: #283 MandyManners

Are you saying EVERY cop in the South was complicit? That EVERY cop was a member of the KKK?

Every cop being complicit or members? No - but I'd wager that a very significant number were members, and a majority of those in rural areas were also members, or at the very least, "Klan-friendly". The part of the country that I grew up in was *VERY* KKK-friendly up until the mid-late 70s, and a majority of them IN FREAKING 1991 voted for David Duke to be Governor. I've relayed this story before, but that was one of the primary reasons that I moved out of state.

290 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 8:15:24pm

re: #286 Spare O'Lake

If you really have such an annex in your house you should dial 911.

The "secret annex" was a reference to such hiding places some brave people used during World War 2 to hide Jews from the SS.

291 Stanghazi  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 8:15:41pm

re: #289 RadicalModerate

Agree.

There's a damn Civil Rights Cold Case PROJECT

Today in the American South, scores of civil rights murders remain unsolved, uninvestigated, unprosecuted, and untold. Reporters from The Civil Rights Cold Case Project have reopened many of these "cold cases," investigating old leads, interviewing witnesses and family members, and turning up new evidence that prosecutors have used to build criminal cases against killers and conspirators who have walked free for more than 40 years.

[Link: coldcases.org...]

Check out this page.

Shirly Sherrod had 2 people in her family killed without prosecution.

Yes, there was a problem, and it was big.

292 palomino  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 8:17:30pm

re: #273 MandyManners

I wonder if the numb-nuts who did this realize that the mosque didn't lose anything here. The construction company, Ole South Properties, Inc., did.

This has little to do with inflicting a property loss on Muslims. It's really about telling them "we don't want your kind here." Burning down a mosque is meant to send a message of hate and to induce fear. As such, it's a small scale act of terrorism.

293 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 8:18:52pm

re: #289 RadicalModerate

The cops I knew growing up were decnet men who had no time to bother with trash.

294 MandyManners  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 8:19:35pm

re: #292 palomino

This has little to do with inflicting a property loss on Muslims. It's really about telling them "we don't want your kind here." Burning down a mosque is meant to send a message of hate and to induce fear. As such, it's a small scale act of terrorism.

No mosque was burned down.

295 Stanghazi  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 8:22:04pm

re: #294 MandyManners

No mosque was burned down.

Yeah, a construction company lost it's equipment though. No biggie.

296 palomino  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 8:22:11pm

re: #294 MandyManners

No mosque was burned down.

Isn't that a techinicality?

OK, below are my amended remarks. Do you have anything to say about the substance?

This has little to do with inflicting a property loss on Muslims. It's really about telling them "we don't want your kind here." Setting a fire at a mosque is meant to send a message of hate and to induce fear. As such, it's a small scale act of terrorism.

297 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 8:22:44pm

re: #293 MandyManners

The cops I knew growing up were decent men who had no time to bother with trash.

Where did you grow up?

298 RadicalModerate  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 8:24:39pm

re: #294 MandyManners

No mosque was burned down.

Not for lack of trying, in either the Mufeesboro, TN or the Arlington, TX cases.

299 Stanghazi  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 8:25:29pm

re: #298 RadicalModerate

Not for lack of trying, in either the Mufeesboro, TN or the Arlington, TX cases.

Jacksonville, Florida, too.

300 RadicalModerate  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 8:25:45pm

re: #298 RadicalModerate

*Murfreesboro*, Tennessee.

301 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 8:36:05pm

re: #300 RadicalModerate

*Murfreesboro*, Tennessee.

As an aside, during the Civil War Murfreesboro was a fairly passionate Rebel town in 1862. A fierce battle was fought near there on December 30th, 1862, and January 1st, 1863 (New Years Eve 1862 did not see any major action). General Braxton Bragg attacked the Union Army of the Cumberland, commanded by Major General William Rosencrans. Though Bragg made headway on the firrst day of the battle, the Union troops did not retreat and a follow-on assault on New Years day simply resulted in the Kentucky "Orphan's Brigade" (so called because the Confederate soldiers in it were "orphaned" when Kentucky remained loyal to the Union) being bled white on prepared positions. After that, Braxton Bragg retreated and the Union forces occupied the town. In the South the battle is known as Murfreesboro, but the North called it Stone's River (after the river that bisects the battlefield).

302 simoom  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 8:37:08pm

I just noticed this by religion, Gallup presidential approval poll, from yesterday:

[Link: politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...]
[Link: www.gallup.com...]

A Gallup survey indicates that in the first half of this year, 78 percent of Muslims approved of the job the president's doing in the White House, while just 24 percent of Mormons give Obama a thumbs up. According to the poll, the president's approval rating among Protestants and other Christians was 43 percent, it stood at 50 percent for Catholics, 61 percent among Jews, 63 percent for Atheists, Agnostics and those with no religion, and 64 percent for those from other non-Christian religions. The president's approval among all Americans stood at 48 percent.

(I was browsing CNN's "Belief Blog" blog and noticed it)

303 elbruce  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 8:38:38pm

re: #287 swamprat

In the same manner, the cacaphony of hate directed at Sarah Palin was probably the reason for her church getting burned...

Possibly. But being Sarah Palin is neither a race nor a creed. And there wasn't really a "cacophony of hate" going on, although she did view anybody asking her questions that hadn't been submitted in advance as such.

304 Stanghazi  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 8:45:28pm

re: #303 elbruce

Possibly. But being Sarah Palin is neither a race nor a creed. And there wasn't really a "cacophony of hate" going on, although she did view anybody asking her questions that hadn't been submitted in advance as such.

She's an idiot and a demagogue riding the train. Give me a "cacophony of hate" and I'll back it up!!

305 elbruce  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 8:49:38pm

re: #289 RadicalModerate

Every cop being complicit or members? No - but I'd wager that a very significant number were members, and a majority of those in rural areas were also members, or at the very least, "Klan-friendly". The part of the country that I grew up in was *VERY* KKK-friendly up until the mid-late 70s, and a majority of them IN FREAKING 1991 voted for David Duke to be Governor. I've relayed this story before, but that was one of the primary reasons that I moved out of state.

It doesn't take a majority to look like a majority, if they yell loud enough, or if their actions are disgusting enough to attract the attention of a nation. Then there's the middle ground who are more interested in keeping the peace than any higher principle. Sometimes they may be complicit, sometimes not. Often I think that Sherriff Andy Griffith, if he were a real person, might have ended up supporting racism for the best of intentions.

I was reading a piece by bell hooks one time where she basically said that any white person who isn't actively working against racism is working for racism by default. At first I was offended - can't I just stay out of it? But over time, it's occurred to me that while the population of hardcore bigots is rarely very high, the "middle ground" population of those who enable bigotry is often enough to swing a majority. The person who says "I'll never eat at a lunch counter that serves black people" is one thing. The person who says "if I let black people eat at my lunch counter, I'll lose valued customers" is another. The latter may think of himself as making a rational business decision rather than being a racist, but in practice there is no difference.

It seems to me that a lot of historical law enforcement has fallen into the same gap. Not all, but enough. Even today, in some of the most "liberal" places of the country, we still get white cops shooting black motorists out of nothing more than pure unreasoning fear.

A search of the victim and the vehicle failed to produce any weapon. According to the Oregonian, a “woman who identified herself as Maria said when Perez leaned over to unfasten his seatbelt, police shot him three or four times.”


Tell me - how do you comply with an order to get out of your car without reaching for your seatbelt clasp?

306 RadicalModerate  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 8:58:32pm

re: #305 elbruce

It doesn't take a majority to look like a majority, if they yell loud enough, or if their actions are disgusting enough to attract the attention of a nation. Then there's the middle ground who are more interested in keeping the peace than any higher principle. Sometimes they may be complicit, sometimes not. Often I think that Sherriff Andy Griffith, if he were a real person, might have ended up supporting racism for the best of intentions.

In the case I was citing - the 1991 Louisiana Gubernatorial election, the part of the state that I lived in had a clear majority of people voting for David Duke.
The red sections of the linked state map were parishes that Duke won.

Image: File:LAGovElection_Nov91.png

307 RadicalModerate  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 9:02:09pm

re: #306 RadicalModerate

Dangit. Wiki link isn't loading properly - try this one instead.

Image: LAGovElection_Nov91.png

308 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 9:03:49pm

re: #305 elbruce

Don't quote bell hooks to me. She's a hater who wrote that in the context of saying she wanted to kill someone who committed no misdeed save to demand the seat he had bought and paid for. She's scum and nowadays would have been removed from the plane in handcuffs, which I would find fitting.

309 Stanghazi  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 10:39:12pm

re: #308 Dark_Falcon

Don't quote bell hooks to me. She's a hater who wrote that in the context of saying she wanted to kill someone who committed no misdeed save to demand the seat he had bought and paid for. She's scum and nowadays would have been removed from the plane in handcuffs, which I would find fitting.

I just looked her up. David Horowitz was the complainer. Hmmm, the circle completes.

310 elbruce  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 11:00:25pm

re: #308 Dark_Falcon

Don't quote bell hooks to me. She's a hater...

If you judge issues by ignoring what people have to say based on whether you like them or not, then you relinquish any claim to objectivity.

311 swamprat  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 11:07:45pm

re: #310 elbruce

If you judge issues by ignoring what people have to say based on whether you like them or not, then you relinquish any claim to objectivity.

Quite ironic post.

Yeah, well, ok.

I am not going to comment any futher on this subject.

312 elbruce  Sat, Aug 28, 2010 11:20:42pm

re: #311 swamprat

Quite ironic post.

I think I've shown by now that even if Hitler made a good point, I'd admit it was a good point.


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