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1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:16:07pm

Elvis died on my 15th birthday.

2 dell*nix  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:16:51pm

Ahh, an acid free thread. Hope it stays that way.

3 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:19:58pm

re: #2 dell*nix

Ahh, an acid free thread. Hope it stays that way.

Free of people on acid, free of people spewing acid, or both?

4 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:21:12pm

My brother's name is Aaron, if that tells ya anything....

5 dell*nix  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:21:43pm

re: #3 ClaudeMonet

Both. I get enough visions on my prescribed meds.

6 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:23:37pm

re: #4 tnguitarist

My brother's name is Aaron, if that tells ya anything...

My son's name is Aaron..... nothing to do with Elvis..... it was the first name in the baby name book.

7 spikester  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:24:59pm

re: #6 Mr Pancakes

i named one of my kids aardvark, its' the first word in the dictionary

8 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:25:05pm

re: #5 dell*nix

Both. I get enough visions on my prescribed meds.

I wouldn't mind the occasional vision from my meds, but with my luck I'd have them while driving. That would be bad for me and for innocent parties all around. I do need a change in meds, though; other than the cholesterol drug I'm on, I don't feel like my prescriptions are doing diddly squat.

9 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:25:22pm

Oh, by the way... Elvis did not have 60lbs of fecal matter in his colon when he died.

I'm just sayin'...

10 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:26:07pm

re: #4 tnguitarist

It's spelled wrong on his tombstone (Elvis', I mean. Not your brother.)

11 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:26:50pm

re: #7 spikester

i named one of my kids aardvark, its' the first word in the dictionary

Have you ever been around an aardvark? It has neither claws, nor fangs, nor quills, nor size, nor camouflage, nor speed. Its defense is its smell, which means Aardvark may be an appropriate name for a baby.

12 dell*nix  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:27:26pm

re: #8 ClaudeMonet

I take them at bedtime and don't drive for at least six hours. Talk about dream therapy.

13 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:28:24pm

re: #6 Mr Pancakes

My son's name is Aaron... nothing to do with Elvis... it was the first name in the baby name book.

He was born in 1978. Do the math.

14 spikester  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:28:38pm

re: #11 ClaudeMonet

nope aardvark (my girl) is the only aardvark i've ever been around

15 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:29:57pm

re: #13 tnguitarist

He was born in 1978. Do the math.

Hank Aaron?

16 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:31:41pm

re: #10 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oops... no. It's not... Hit post too soon... looked it up...

17 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:32:56pm

re: #15 NJDhockeyfan

Hank Aaron?

Not quite. It would be fitting since we are both huge Braves' fans.

18 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:33:10pm

re: #13 tnguitarist

He was born in 1978. Do the math.

1977..... you were close.

19 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:33:55pm

re: #17 tnguitarist

Not quite. It would be fitting since we are both huge Braves' fans.

I didn't know you are obese.

20 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:34:05pm

What in the hell am I doing up at 1:32am?
Why don't I feel sleepy?
Why am I talking to you?

G'night knuckleheads.

21 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:34:55pm

re: #18 Mr Pancakes

1977... you were close.

No, I'm pretty sure my brother was born in 78. ;)

22 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:35:36pm

re: #19 ClaudeMonet

I didn't know you are obese.

Maybe I am. I do live in the South, after all.

23 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:36:19pm

re: #21 tnguitarist

No, I'm pretty sure my brother was born in 78. ;)

I know I was just joshin' ya..... I put that in cuz my son was born in 77.

24 windsagio  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:36:23pm

Why in God's name would the pres of Whole foods be on a panel about Ayn Rand?

25 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:36:42pm

re: #18 Mr Pancakes

1977... you were close.

Elvis died in 77 + brother born in 78 = Aaron.

26 Mr Pancakes  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:37:12pm

re: #25 tnguitarist

Elvis died in 77 + brother born in 78 = Aaron.

Yep

27 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:37:43pm

re: #25 tnguitarist

Elvis died in 77 + brother born in 78 = Aaron.

I was told there would be no math...

28 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:38:12pm

re: #27 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I was told there would be no math...

And you believed them?

/

29 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:38:36pm

re: #26 Mr Pancakes

Yep

I would say there were quite a few of them around that time. Unless people went full bore and named their kid Elvis. Oy.

30 Decatur Deb  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:39:16pm

re: #24 windsagio

Why in God's name would the pres of Whole foods be on a panel about Ayn Rand?

Anti-union enthusiast in pseudo-hippie camo.

31 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:39:17pm

re: #27 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I was told there would be no math...

There's always math. Always. And no calculators.

32 windsagio  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:40:16pm

re: #30 Decatur Deb

Anti-union enthusiast in pseudo-hippie camo.

Ohh! Thanks :p I should turn on the volume, listen.

33 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:51:16pm

re: #22 tnguitarist

Maybe I am. I do live in the South, after all.

If you can (a) tie your shoes, (b) see your shoes when standing, and (c) reach the keyboard while sitting, you're not obese.

BTW, obesity is not confined to the South. I see far too much of it every day here in the almost-North.

34 NJDhockeyfan  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:51:28pm

Whoa, nice bust...

Egyptian forces find additional missile, TNT caches in Sinai

Egyptian police raided three arms depots in the central Sinai Peninsula Saturday containing nearly 200 surface-to-air missiles apparently headed for Gaza, the Palestinian news agency Ma'an reported.

Israeli sources confirmed the report and said a considerable number of similar armaments had probably already been transported through Sinai to Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other Islamist militant groups.

Israeli sources said the weapons appear to be Russian-made SA-7 missiles. The missile, commonly known as the Strela, is not generally considered a highly advanced weapon, but its very presence in Gaza could have far-reaching implications for Israeli air mobility over the coastal territory.

The quantity of missiles in the depots seems to indicate that Palestinian terror groups possess a higher number of projectiles than previously thought, and that in any renewed fighting with Israel, may try to shoot down not only military helicopters and fighter jets, but also civilian aircraft such as crop dusters.

35 windsagio  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:52:55pm

re: #34 NJDhockeyfan

what? They're not in cahoots?!

36 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:55:38pm

re: #33 ClaudeMonet

If you can (a) tie your shoes, (b) see your shoes when standing, and (c) reach the keyboard while sitting, you're not obese.

BTW, obesity is not confined to the South. I see far too much of it every day here in the almost-North.

I'm just messin because we get a bad rap. Although, we do have some doozies.

I was looking a t a collection of pictures from all around the country from the 50's-70's. One thing stunned me, even though I didn't catch it at first--the lack of obese people.

37 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:55:42pm

re: #34 NJDhockeyfan

Whoa, nice bust...

Egyptian forces find additional missile, TNT caches in Sinai

What? But that can't be true, we know that the tunnels are for smuggling in food and supplies that the evil Zionist embargo will not let through in order to starve the Palestinians into submission!

I read it on all the fashionable anti-Islam blogs!

//

38 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:55:56pm

re: #35 windsagio

what? They're not in cahoots?!

Egypt and Gaza? Hell, no. Israel and the UN have often offered to let the Egyptians establish sovereignty over Gaza, and every time, Egypt has declined with extreme vehemence. Egypt sees Gaza for the pustule it is.

Egypt and Israel? Heck, no. A cold peace is all.

Israel and Gaza? Get real. ;)

39 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 10:58:43pm

re: #36 tnguitarist

I'm just messin because we get a bad rap. Although, we do have some doozies.

Stretch pants are both one of the most wonderful and most horrible inventions ever in the history of mankind.

40 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:06:04pm

They quoted me on the stalker blog. I feel all warm inside.

I bet they won't show this:

Hey guys, did you happen to notice your whole thread is about LGF? Obsess much? It's over guys. Really. Go find a new girlfriend.

41 elbruce  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:07:27pm

re: #34 NJDhockeyfan

Whoa, nice bust...

Egyptian forces find additional missile, TNT caches in Sinai

Yep, good bust. Looks like a clear victory for Israeli/Egyptian law enforcement cooperation. Applause all around. Everybody slap each others' backs and hope to pull down more similar busts in the future. Really, no other attitude is appropriate.

42 boxhead  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:10:27pm

re: #41 elbruce

Yep, good bust. Looks like a clear victory for Israeli/Egyptian law enforcement cooperation. Applause all around. Everybody slap each others' backs and hope to pull down more similar busts in the future. Really, no other attitude is appropriate.

I'll raise a toast of some fine booze to this bust! errrr... I forgot, no booze for Egyptian folks.... well at least most of them.

///

seriously, good job.

43 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:18:47pm

Wrong.

44 SpaceJesus  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:29:57pm

re: #40 tnguitarist


"charles is a washed-up irrelevant has-been who no one cares about"

*stalks charles and anyone who posts on his blog 24-7*

45 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:31:23pm

re: #40 tnguitarist

They quoted me on the stalker blog. I feel all warm inside.

I bet they won't show this:

Hey guys, did you happen to notice your whole thread is about LGF? Obsess much? It's over guys. Really. Go find a new girlfriend.

Pardon my asking, but what IS the stalker blog? Could someone send me the URL? It's always good to see what the lunatic fringe is fantasizing about.

46 Targetpractice  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:33:09pm

re: #44 SpaceJesus

"charles is a washed-up irrelevant has-been who no one cares about"

*stalks charles and anyone who posts on his blog 24-7*

Yeah, ya gotta love it. LGF is going down the drain and Charles is washed-up, yet they seem spend 1 or more hours a day talking about how "shitty" LGF is and how much a "tyrant" Charles is.

I guess that boot print in their asses never stops stinging. They might wanna consult a physician.

47 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:35:27pm

re: #45 ClaudeMonet

Pardon my asking, but what IS the stalker blog? Could someone send me the URL? It's always good to see what the lunatic fringe is fantasizing about.

Can't post a link and don't want to. Hmm...

48 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:36:18pm

re: #47 tnguitarist

Can't post a link and don't want to. Hmm...

E-mail it to me if you can. Didn't really want it posted.

49 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:36:36pm

re: #1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Elvis died on my 15th birthday.

BFD. My birthday is Tuesday. I will bw "old years". Not sure what that means.

50 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:39:02pm

re: #49 Cannadian Club Akbar

BFD. My birthday is Tuesday. I will bw "old years". Not sure what that means.

Holy crap!! I am 7 or 8 years younger than FBV. I rule!!!
/or not.

51 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:40:05pm

re: #50 Cannadian Club Akbar

Holy crap!! I am 7 or 8 years younger than FBV. I rule!!!
/or not.

That would put you a couple of years over me.....

52 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:41:43pm

re: #51 tnguitarist

That would put you a couple of years over me...

GET OFF FBV'S LAWN. AND TURN DOWN THE MUSIC!!!!
//

53 tnguitarist  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:43:01pm

re: #48 ClaudeMonet

E-mail it to me if you can. Didn't really want it posted.

your nick is not blue

54 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:43:59pm

My effing sound card went out. This sucks.

55 elbruce  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:44:37pm

re: #45 ClaudeMonet

Pardon my asking, but what IS the stalker blog? Could someone send me the URL? It's always good to see what the lunatic fringe is fantasizing about.

I accidentally hotlinked to it one time, but I honestly don't remember where it was.

56 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:44:42pm

re: #53 tnguitarist

your nick is not blue

I'm a relative newbie. Please explain and I'll be glad to comply.

57 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:47:21pm

re: #56 ClaudeMonet

I'm a relative newbie. Please explain and I'll be glad to comply.

If you allow others to email you, or link to a blog, your nic will be blue.

58 ClaudeMonet  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:56:50pm

re: #57 Cannadian Club Akbar

If you allow others to email you, or link to a blog, your nic will be blue.

How do I allow others to email me?

Bog, I feel like a technological idiot. Maybe it's because I'm a technological idiot.

59 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sun, Aug 29, 2010 11:59:32pm

re: #58 ClaudeMonet

How do I allow others to email me?

Bog, I feel like a technological idiot. Maybe it's because I'm a technological idiot.

When you go to post a comment, you can put your email address in the email box. Then click "show email".

60 ClaudeMonet  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:01:57am

re: #59 Cannadian Club Akbar

When you go to post a comment, you can put your email address in the email box. Then click "show email".

Ah, I see. Many thanks!

61 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:03:46am

re: #60 ClaudeMonet

Ah, I see. Many thanks!

Very easy. Now I can email you.

62 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:06:31am

re: #61 Cannadian Club Akbar

Very easy. Now I can email you.

Expect all my porn spam.
//

63 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:06:33am

re: #60 ClaudeMonet

Ah, I see. Many thanks!

message sent

64 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:11:02am

Going to bed. Nighty all.

65 boxhead  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:15:37am

re: #64 Cannadian Club Akbar

Going to bed. Nighty all.

nite

66 ClaudeMonet  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:16:34am

re: #62 Cannadian Club Akbar

Expect all my porn spam.
//

I went over there, had my fill in a few minutes. Those people are about 99 44/100% detached from reality.

I'd rather have porn spam. It leaves no impression after it's deleted.

67 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:18:48am

I'm going to bed now.

68 boxhead  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:22:40am

re: #67 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm going to bed now.

nite...

69 Four More Tears  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:23:35am

re: #66 ClaudeMonet

I went over there, had my fill in a few minutes. Those people are about 99 44/100% detached from reality.

I'd rather have porn spam. It leaves no impression after it's deleted.


It can have uses, too. Unlike that place.

70 freetoken  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:35:28am
71 freetoken  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:00:19am
72 sagehen  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:14:02am

re: #36 tnguitarist

I was looking a t a collection of pictures from all around the country from the 50's-70's. One thing stunned me, even though I didn't catch it at first--the lack of obese people.

High-fructose corn syrup. It's in *everything*.

73 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:16:37am
74 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:43:14am

Did I kill the thread?

75 CuriousLurker  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:44:44am

re: #74 tnguitarist

It's usually pretty quiet at this hour.

76 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:46:55am

re: #75 CuriousLurker

It's usually pretty quiet at this hour.

I can't sleep.

77 CuriousLurker  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:48:33am

re: #76 tnguitarist

I can't sleep.

Me either. And I desperately need to. *sigh*

78 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:49:15am

re: #77 CuriousLurker

Me either. And I desperately need to. *sigh*

Same here.

79 tnguitarist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:53:24am

My name is John Johnson, but everybody here calls me Vicky.

--name the movie.

80 CuriousLurker  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:54:31am

re: #78 tnguitarist

Same here.

Well, I hate to leave you here all by your lonesome, but I think I'm gonna go try to read a book as that's the only thing that's likely to help.

Maybe that'll work for you too. If not, watch out for the dead thread trolls and take care till tomorrow. Nite. ;o)

81 CuriousLurker  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:55:42am

(I don't watch many movies, so I'd suck at that game--sorry!)

~~~Gone~~~

82 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 2:26:13am

re: #79 tnguitarist

My name is John Johnson, but everybody here calls me Vicky.

--name the movie.

So I Married an Ax Murderer, said by the late great Phil Hartman.

Side note: Despite having lived in San Francisco for much of my life, I have never visited Alcatraz.

Now I can never go, because I'd be too disappointed not to get Vicky as my tour guide.

83 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:21:34am

Charles blah blah blah blah bad

Islam blah blah blah bad

Global Warming blah blah blah nonsense

Obama blah blah blah bad

just filling in for the DT Trolls who are not even coming out...

later

84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:30:44am

Good mourning.

85 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:33:21am

New York City and Boston best look out for a hurricane. Wait, what?

86 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:34:21am

re: #84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Good mourning.

Good morning.
What are we mourning?

87 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:34:34am

re: #84 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Good mourning.

I'm trying to think of another morning/mourning style pun, and I can't.

Good grief.

88 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:35:32am

re: #87 Obdicut

Because I thought of the only one that would ever fit. You see? I am a frickin' genius.

89 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:36:44am

re: #87 Obdicut

I'm trying to think of another morning/mourning style pun, and I can't.

Good grief.

I mourn your failure.
(take that FBV)

90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:41:39am

re: #85 Cannadian Club Akbar

Wouldn't a storm named Earl be more appropriately named a "himmicane?"

91 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:41:57am

re: #89 Cannadian Club Akbar

(that's the same word)

92 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:47:18am

re: #90 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That made me interested in the origin of the word.

Turns out we get the word from the Spanish, who got it from a Native American tribe called the Taino, who were down in the Caribbean.

It would have been awesome and terrifying to be one of those first Spanish explorers down there in the Carribbean, seeing the clouds start to gather, and asking a Taino, "What the fuck is that?"

"Huracan"

"And what does that mean?"

"It means say goodbye to your ships and enjoy your stay on our lovely island."

93 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:49:01am

Morning Lizardim. Busy weekend here in the fishbowl, with the State Fair on Friday and OD'ing on deep-fried-everything-on-a-stick, then entertaining the in-laws on Saturday whilst getting some yard work done, and finally a lazy Sunday. What's new out there in the wide world of Lizardia?

94 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:49:31am

Scanning the news. The wording from the AP from a few years ago, the definitions have changed. I hate the AP, Reuters, ABC, CBS, CNN, FOX LSDMBC. Fuck.

95 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:50:27am

re: #93 thedopefishlives

Did you get me a corn dog?
/

96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:50:52am

re: #93 thedopefishlives

What state?

97 researchok  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:51:40am

re: #87 Obdicut

I'm trying to think of another morning/mourning style pun, and I can't.

Good grief.

Thinking before coffee?

Damn.

98 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:52:41am

re: #96 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

What state?

Why, Minnesota, of course. Where if it ain't deep fried and/or on a stick, we don't sell it.

re: #95 Cannadian Club Akbar

Did you get me a corn dog?
/

Actually, I think that's the one thing I didn't have. I might have to go back. ;)

99 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:53:04am

re: #97 researchok

Nah, I've had coffee. I get up at five AM, most mornings.

I'm one of those people who are bright and chipper in the mornings.

My wife considers this probably the worst aspect of my character.

100 researchok  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:53:55am

re: #92 Obdicut

That made me interested in the origin of the word.

Turns out we get the word from the Spanish, who got it from a Native American tribe called the Taino, who were down in the Caribbean.

It would have been awesome and terrifying to be one of those first Spanish explorers down there in the Carribbean, seeing the clouds start to gather, and asking a Taino, "What the fuck is that?"

"Huracan"

"And what does that mean?"

"It means say goodbye to your ships and enjoy your stay on our lovely island."

Wrong. The word comes from the translation of the native American world for , 'SHIT! IT'S WINDY!"

101 researchok  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:54:24am

re: #99 Obdicut

Nah, I've had coffee. I get up at five AM, most mornings.

I'm one of those people who are bright and chipper in the mornings.

My wife considers this probably the worst aspect of my character.

I agree with the Boss.

102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:55:26am

re: #100 researchok

Wrong. The word comes from the translation of the native American world for , 'SHIT! IT'S WINDY!"

Minnesota is an old Indian word. Means, "Weather sucks big wampum."
-Diane Ford

103 researchok  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:55:56am

re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Minnesota is an old Indian word. Means, "Weather sucks big wampum."
-Diane Ford

Of course- the Patois version.

104 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:56:57am

re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Minnesota is an old Indian word. Means, "Weather sucks big wampum."
-Diane Ford

Here in Minnesota we have two seasons: Winter, and construction.

105 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:57:29am

re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Turns out Montana doesn't just mean 'Big Sky'. It means 'Big Sky and nothing else."

106 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:59:46am

re: #104 thedopefishlives

"I'm from a stout breed of people. We Scandinavians migrated; crossing streams, fjords, glaciers, oceans, prairies, mountains... looking for that one place... that one place... that was just as fucking miserable as the one we left."
-Diane Ford

107 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:00:36am

re: #105 Obdicut

Turns out Montana doesn't just mean 'Big Sky'. It means 'Big Sky and nothing else."

North Dakota's state motto: People: Never had 'em, Never Will.

108 researchok  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:01:30am

re: #102 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Minnesota is an old Indian word. Means, "Weather sucks big wampum."
-Diane Ford

Years ago, I visited MN in winter (stayed at Radisson downtown).

My first impressio0n was, 'These people are a insane'.

My second thought was 'These people are a tough lot'.

After watching a news guy talk about winter golf with an orange golf ball and winter softball, I went back to the first thought.

The all hockey, all the time thing on TV was pretty cool. The peewee hockey was a lot of fun.

109 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:02:17am

re: #107 PT Barnum

North Dakota's state motto: People: Never had 'em, Never Will.

Florida's motto: I wish these fuckers would learn to drive.

110 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:02:59am

re: #107 PT Barnum

North Dakota's state motto: People: Never had 'em, Never Will.

South Dakota's state motto?: Closer Than North Dakota

111 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:03:08am

Okay..ethnic joke told to me by a Jewish friend:

What's a classic Jewish wine?

"I wanna go to Miaaaaaaami!"

112 researchok  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:03:40am

re: #109 Cannadian Club Akbar

Florida's motto: I wish these fuckers would learn to drive.

The Quebec natives motto is 'You want weather? We got weather and we speak french too, you weenie!

113 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:03:54am

Arkansas: "Tornado vs. Divorce: No matter what, somebody's gonna lose a trailer."

114 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:04:26am

Virginia's State Motto: Who Says Government Stiffs And Slackjaw Yokels Don't Mix?

115 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:04:37am

re: #111 PT Barnum

Okay..ethnic joke told to me by a Jewish friend:

What's a classic Jewish wine?

"I wanna go to Miaaami!"

I went to the best Jewish Deli in Miami.

116 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:05:16am

re: #115 Cannadian Club Akbar

I went to the best Jewish Deli in Miami.

I'm jealous...lox/cream cheese on a crusty bagel: Food of the Gods or at least one of them.

117 researchok  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:05:55am

re: #116 PT Barnum

I'm jealous...lox/cream cheese on a crusty bagel: Food of the Gods or at least one of them.

Pastrami and corned beef.

Manna.

118 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:06:38am

re: #117 researchok

Pastrami and corned beef.

Manna.

There we go.

119 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:07:08am

re: #118 Cannadian Club Akbar

There we go.

With Swiss.

120 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:08:02am

Crap. Don't know if this has been posted yet:

Mosque attack in California refers to Ground Zero

Madera has a large Muslim population who are very well-established and extremely assimilated.

Hopefully this "American Nationalist Brotherhood" is just a couple of punk teens, and not yet another white supremacist group.

For those of you who think of California as la-la-land, California also leads the nation in white supremacist groups. Whoo hooo!

121 Cannadian Club Akbar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:08:29am

Dand it. BBIAB.

122 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:08:56am

re: #119 Cannadian Club Akbar

With Swiss.

in bed

123 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:11:49am

re: #117 researchok

Pastrami and corned beef.

Manna.

If manna had been pastrami and corned beef, we never would have left the desert.

Except maybe to find some sauerkraut and thousand island dressing.

124 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:12:51am

re: #120 Obdicut

Crap. Don't know if this has been posted yet:

Mosque attack in California refers to Ground Zero

Madera has a large Muslim population who are very well-established and extremely assimilated.

Hopefully this "American Nationalist Brotherhood" is just a couple of punk teens, and not yet another white supremacist group.

For those of you who think of California as la-la-land, California also leads the nation in white supremacist groups. Whoo hooo!

The attackers are terrorists and need to be eliminated with extreme prejudice.

125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:13:06am

re: #120 Obdicut

It's California, folks.

126 researchok  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:13:08am

re: #120 Obdicut

Crap. Don't know if this has been posted yet:

Mosque attack in California refers to Ground Zero

Madera has a large Muslim population who are very well-established and extremely assimilated.

Hopefully this "American Nationalist Brotherhood" is just a couple of punk teens, and not yet another white supremacist group.

For those of you who think of California as la-la-land, California also leads the nation in white supremacist groups. Whoo hooo!

Damn.

Geller ,et al, have declared open season on Muslims.

127 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:13:20am

I used to have respect for Pat Condell. It's been dwindling away ever since he supported some kind of regionalism for the UK elections. After having watched his last video, "Bad Faith at Ground Zero" (I won't even link it), I have none left. The guy is bankrupt as far as politics and civil liberties go, ragging on Obama for not fulfilling his vision of a nativist, xenohpobic authoritarian America.

128 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:13:45am

re: #124 Taqyia2Me

The attackers are terrorists and need to be eliminated with extreme prejudice.

Que?

I don't think shooting people for hate crimes is going to get us where we need to be.

129 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:14:51am

re: #128 Obdicut

I'm fine with killing them in the act, or the hot shot.

130 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:17:22am

re: #128 Obdicut

Que?

I don't think shooting people for hate crimes is going to get us where we need to be.

I said eliminate...the best way to eliminate them is to expose them for the fools they are.
I would only support killing them to prevent them from killing others.

131 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:17:59am

re: #125 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

It's California, folks.

You're quite right. People think of California as just LA and the Bay Area, (which have their own problems, namely with ghettoization), but there are large swathes of California that are reactionary and isolated.

I think California does a very good job at assimilation, given the sheer number of immigrants and the wide variety of backgrounds, but there are still a large number of white supremacists and lesser 'The town was better afore those messicans moved in' types.

132 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:19:42am

re: #130 Taqyia2Me

Oh. Eliminate with extreme prejudice usually is a euphemism for killing. Sorry for misunderstanding you.

133 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:24:15am

re: #132 Obdicut

Oh. Eliminate with extreme prejudice usually is a euphemism for killing. Sorry for misunderstanding you.

It's (terrorism) a vile cancer that needs to be attacked with all available means. The "Aryans" are terrorists and they need to be eliminated just like any other terrorist group.

134 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:27:29am

re: #132 Obdicut

Oh. Eliminate with extreme prejudice usually is a euphemism for killing. Sorry for misunderstanding you.

135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:33:02am

re: #131 Obdicut

Actually, I was being a bit flip... More accurate?

It's Alabama, folks.
It's Alaska, folks.
It's Arizona, folks.
It's Arkansas, folks.
It's California, folks.
It's Colorado, folks.

Etc...

136 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:33:04am

re: #133 Taqyia2Me

Luckily, they're mainly pathetic useless assholes who sit around in dirty bars, drinking shitty beer, and lying about their fake military experiences.

137 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:37:06am

re: #135 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Well, I'm not surprised at a mosque attack in some parts of California, including Madera. California is really too large to assign any particular character to.

Colorado is an odd one, too, because you have a lot of tolerance in general and then you have Colorado Springs, land of the megachurch and prosperity gospel.

Each state does have it's own particular past, its own particular problems, its own particular virtues. Every state is not the same, and the Magical Balance Fairy does not sprinkle equivalent dust and make sure that they all have an equal proportion of every sort of jackassery.

138 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:38:06am

Morning, folks! :)

139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:38:13am

Here's a cool "Today in History"...

Thurgood Marshall confirmed to the SCOTUS.

Lift every voice and sing.

Gosh, what these folks had to go through. If I go to the bank and the dry cleaners in the same day? I need a nap.

140 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:39:59am

Hi there, peeps!

141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:40:26am

re: #138 iceweasel

How cool. What is that? A polar bear in a snowstorm? Pig in a fog bank?

Just a nice big white screen.

142 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:42:27am

Good Morning LGF.
I feel terrible about what happened yesterday.

143 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:42:32am

re: #138 iceweasel

re: #140 Jimmah

What brings you guys around. Haven't seen y'all forever.

144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:43:03am

re: #142 Spare O'Lake

Starting to happen all over the country.

145 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:43:46am

re: #141 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How cool. What is that? A polar bear in a snowstorm? Pig in a fog bank?

Just a nice big white screen.

Damn you youtube! Damn your uk videos blah blah! I don't know why videos posted from the uk don't play in the us and viceversa.

Imagine Oklahoma, O What A Beautiful Moooorning...

146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:45:09am

re: #145 iceweasel

Oh. I'm kind of bummed.

State motto of Oklahoma?: Like the play, only no singing.

147 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:46:15am

re: #143 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #140 Jimmah

What brings you guys around. Haven't seen y'all forever.

Jimmah's been here. I sliced my finger up and can't really type.

Thanks for asking! How's by you?

148 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:46:31am

For some reason ice-ski's video didn't work. I think it should work now:

149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:47:12am

re: #147 iceweasel

Sliced your finger? Ouch.

Me? The "boyfriend" goes home this week. That's a good thing.

150 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:47:45am

re: #148 Jimmah

I've played Curly three times.

151 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:48:05am

re: #149 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Sliced your finger? Ouch.

Me? The "boyfriend" goes home this week. That's a good thing.

oh FANTASTIC! Very happy for you all.

152 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:48:36am

re: #142 Spare O'Lake

Good Morning LGF.
I feel terrible about what happened yesterday.

Yeah I saw your comments in the bottom 10 (again). Seeing that must be a shitty way to start every day .

153 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:49:36am

re: #138 iceweasel

re: #140 Jimmah

Good morning, good Scots people!

154 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:49:39am

re: #152 Jimmah

Aaand we're off...

155 mcspiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:50:08am

re: #152 Jimmah

Yeah I saw your comments in the bottom 10 (again). Seeing that must be a shitty way to start every day .

Charles banned Mandy yesterday. I suspect that's what Spare is refering to.

156 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:50:16am

re: #138 iceweasel

[Video]Morning, folks! :)

re: #140 Jimmah

Hi there, peeps!


[Video]

Good morning, little duckies. It's been a while.

157 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:50:51am

re: #155 mcspiff

Charles banned Mandy yesterday. I suspect that's what Spare is refering to.

Not like that hasn't been a long time in coming. She's been pretty antagonistic since the beginning. Dare I ask what straw finally broke the camel's back?

158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:51:21am

re: #147 iceweasel

How'd you do it? Prepping bangers and mash 'er sumthin?

159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:52:05am

re: #158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Slicing haggis?

160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:52:52am

re: #159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Choppin' leaks?
Liver pudding?
Blood sumthin' 'er other?

161 mcspiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:53:17am

re: #157 thedopefishlives

Not like that hasn't been a long time in coming. She's been pretty antagonistic since the beginning. Dare I ask what straw finally broke the camel's back?

Its all in the last thread. Accusations of bigotry were thrown back and forth between her and Charles, she felt he was broad brushing Tennesse, she seemed to be white washing the history of the state (in my opinion), she said some things she probably shouldn't have.

162 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:53:24am

re: #160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

leeks... sheesh.

Carving stones for Stonehenge?

163 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:54:00am

re: #155 mcspiff

Charles banned Mandy yesterday. I suspect that's what Spare is refering to.

Yeah that too. Thaty's gotta hurt. I left a comment on that thread.

164 mcspiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:54:08am

re: #157 thedopefishlives

Not like that hasn't been a long time in coming. She's been pretty antagonistic since the beginning. Dare I ask what straw finally broke the camel's back?

Like you said though, it wasn't just the one incident that led to it. Charles himself said that something along the lines of "that was along time coming".

165 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:54:17am

re: #161 mcspiff

Its all in the last thread. Accusations of bigotry were thrown back and forth between her and Charles, she felt he was broad brushing Tennesse, she seemed to be white washing the history of the state (in my opinion), she said some things she probably shouldn't have.

The moral of this story is: If you value your account, don't pick a fight with the webmaster.

166 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:54:19am

re: #160 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Choppin' leeks?
Liver pudding?
Blood sumthin' 'er other?

Really. How do they eat over there. Everything sounds scary.

167 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:56:28am

Ooh! I'm number one!
I'm number one!

168 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:57:31am

re: #158 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How'd you do it? Prepping bangers and mash 'er sumthin?

Slicing VEgEtABLeS!1 :(

Bought a mandolin slicer; they're terrific but do not, do not ever use without getting protective gloves. My attention wandered for a fraction of a second while slicing carrots for soup. I'm lucky I didn't lose the finger. I can see how it happens now for sure. Brrrr.

As it is I just sliced off the fleshy part of the tip of the right index finger. I have good things to say about the NHS!

But I did that the week I got here and it still isn't healed enough to type or do anything really.

Hi dopefish, and mcspiff, hope you are well!

169 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:57:31am

re: #159 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Slicing haggis?

She's still never eaten haggis. That will change soon :)

170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:58:19am

re: #169 Jimmah

She's still never eaten haggis. That will change soon :)

Fight it, Ice.

The only food based on a dare.

171 mcspiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:58:51am

re: #165 thedopefishlives

The moral of this story is: If you value your account, don't pick a fight with the webmaster.

Pretty much. I question how much Mandy valued her account in the end, but as long as she doesnt end up at the stalkers, I don't have any ill will against her.

172 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:00:19am

re: #168 iceweasel

Yowza! Glad you didn't lose the finger, that's Just Not Cool. As for me, I am well enough, been busy this weekend entertaining the in-laws and pigging out on deep-fried-everything. My wife was disappointed that the state fair wasn't selling deep-fried butter, which is supposed to be the new craze in junk food technology ersumthin.

re: #170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Fight it, Ice.

The only food based on a dare.

I wouldn't say that. Ever heard of lutefisk?

173 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:00:37am

re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Starting to happen all over the country.

From today's Tennessean:

From the construction site Sunday, Essam Fathy and others heard five to six gunshots as he gave an interview to CNN around 3:15 p.m. County dispatchers received only one call reporting shots fired and said that the sheriff's office is calling it an unconfirmed report.
[Link: www.tennessean.com...]
174 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:02:22am

re: #170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Fight it, Ice.

The only food based on a dare.

Heh. Another good line from So I Married an Axer Murderer.

I've actually had quite good haggis, though I didn't eat the stomach part.

It's really no worse than sausage, in terms of what's in it.

175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:02:26am

re: #171 mcspiff

I don't think Mandy'd go there. I wish for her and her son nothing but the best. One thing to attack trolls who get banned... I'd prefer to see folks let the old timers rest in peace, even the ones that I don't like.

But, I know that ain't happening.

But, a girl can dream.

*blink*

176 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:02:47am

re: #164 mcspiff

Like you said though, it wasn't just the one incident that led to it. Charles himself said that something along the lines of "that was along time coming".

Also that it should have happened a long time ago. I agree.

Apart from the Muslim bashing, she was just flat out bad for the site. I realise that the older posters who knew her for longer don't see that, but she was unremittingly hostile to quite a few people-- especially new people, especially liberals.

She's tried to get people here to google people's nicknames to turn up personal info on them and run them off the site. She did it to windy and windupbird when they joined; others as well.

And let's not get into her posting links to holocaust denial sites and more--anything that would smear SOrOs or any other wingnutty target of the day. She contributed nothing but hate.

No. I won't miss her one bit and I'm glad she's gone.

Downding away folks, but that's how I see it.

177 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:03:12am

re: #170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Fight it, Ice.

The only food based on a dare.

In Scottish Cuisine, there are many items that were based on a dare. Here is one of the more recent entries in that long established tradition:

Image: deep-fried%2Bmarsbar.jpg

178 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:03:41am

re: #170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Fight it, Ice.

The only food based on a dare.

I just downdinged Jimmah for that. ;) NEVAH!!

179 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:03:44am

re: #172 thedopefishlives

Lars and Olaf are sitting down waiting for dinner. Suddenly, there's a loud explosion from the kitchen.

"Ah good," Lars says, "The lutefisk is done!"

180 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:03:56am

re: #174 Obdicut

If you're gonna eat the juicy parts, you may as well choke down the scrotums and sphincters....

181 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:05:03am

re: #172 thedopefishlives

Yowza! Glad you didn't lose the finger, that's Just Not Cool. As for me, I am well enough, been busy this weekend entertaining the in-laws and pigging out on deep-fried-everything. My wife was disappointed that the state fair wasn't selling deep-fried butter, which is supposed to be the new craze in junk food technology ersumthin.

re: #170 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I wouldn't say that. Ever heard of lutefisk?

Deepfried butter, really? Wow. I would love to go to one of those State fairs sometime. Just to check it out! Hope you guys had fun and a nice day for it.

182 laZardo  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:05:52am

And now for a little good news from where I live...

/because my ego still needs stroking.

183 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:06:54am

re: #176 iceweasel

Hey Ice, nice to hear from you again.

I'll just pop in and say, I found 100% of MM political and religious posts indefensible and or offensive, but I did enjoy bantering with her socially. She obviously loved her kid, and that's something that always resonates with me.

Now that I got that off my chest, who will be serving the Corn Flakes in the morning?

184 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:07:15am

re: #181 iceweasel

[Link: today.msnbc.msn.com...]

You can get it in cherry, grape, or garlic flavor.

185 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:07:22am

re: #181 iceweasel

Deepfried butter, really? Wow. I would love to go to one of those State fairs sometime. Just to check it out! Hope you guys had fun and a nice day for it.

It's been beautiful weather up here in the wild north country, up until today at least. The Minnesota State Fair is either the largest or the second largest in the United States, and well worth a trip up here if you ever manage to be in the country around Labor Day. About 50% of the fairgrounds is dedicated to food vendors, almost all of which have an offering that is either deep fried or on a stick, hence the "deep-fried-everything-on-a-stick" meme.

186 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:07:51am

re: #177 Jimmah

In Scottish Cuisine, there are many items that were based on a dare. Here is one of the more recent entries in that long established tradition:

Image: deep-fried%2Bmarsbar.jpg

God i love the Scots. I was definitely born in the wrong place at the wrong time.

187 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:07:56am

re: #178 iceweasel

I just downdinged Jimmah for that. ;) NEVAH!!

Juist for that, I'm going to hide a sweetbread in your haggis ;-)

188 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:08:48am

re: #174 Obdicut

Under-rated movie, IMO.

I use a line from there quite often.

When a server brings me a Flintstone's portion of food? I always look up and say, "Excuse me, miss? There seems to be a mistake. I believe I ordered the *large*?"

189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:09:16am

re: #185 thedopefishlives

State fairs are proof that hell is full and the dead are walking the Earth.

190 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:09:35am

re: #187 Jimmah

Shudder.

191 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:09:36am

re: #187 Jimmah

Juist for that, I'm going to hide a sweetbread in your haggis ;-)

Is that anything like what we'd call that hiding the salami?

/England and America, divided by a common language...

192 Lidane  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:09:44am

re: #155 mcspiff

Charles banned Mandy yesterday.

I just caught up on all this by reading the last thread.

Wow.

193 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:10:13am

re: #183 Jeff In Ohio

Hey Ice, nice to hear from you again.

I'll just pop in and say, I found 100% of MM political and religious posts indefensible and or offensive, but I did enjoy bantering with her socially. She obviously loved her kid, and that's something that always resonates with me.

Now that I got that off my chest, who will be serving the Corn Flakes in the morning?

Hey Jeff! What's up? Good to see you too.

194 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:10:42am

re: #191 iceweasel

Is that anything like what we'd call that hiding the salami?

/England and America, divided by a common language...

Whoa now, none of that in this here thread. Get a room, you two.

195 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:11:32am

re: #193 iceweasel

Hey Jeff! What's up? Good to see you too.

Kids back in school, 3 months of chores waiting to be done in 6 weeks before it gets cold. The usual shit.

196 Lidane  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:11:58am

re: #189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

State fairs are proof that hell is full and the dead are walking the Earth.

I like to think they're proof that you can deep fry anything and someone will pay for it.

197 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:12:30am

re: #186 Jeff In Ohio

God i love the Scots. I was definitely born in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Cheers Jeff :)

Btw Ice is impressed by the quality of advertising here :

198 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:12:54am

re: #196 Lidane

I like to think they're proof that you can deep fry anything and someone will pay for it.

I mentioned the deep fried potato skins, right? They were labeled "Australian Battered Potatoes". Dunno if they're the genuine article, but if so, God bless the Aussies.

199 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:13:18am

re: #189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

State fairs are proof that hell is full and the dead are walking the Earth.

re: #185 thedopefishlives

There's a David Foster Wallace essay about attending the Iowa State Fair; I think it's in the collection called "A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again" (which isn't about the Fair, but about cruise ships). All I can really remember from it is the descriptions of the food.
I bet Jimmah would love it.

Anyway-- video of DFW reading from it here, if people are interested:
[Link: www.newstatesman.com...]

200 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:13:21am

re: #188 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

All of the bit parts are excellent too: Steven Wright and Phil Hartman and Charles Grodin and Mike Hagerty and Michael Richards and Alan Arkin.

I agree that it's under-rated. It did exactly what it wanted to do, it was a campy 80's style throwback comedy that didn't depend on any sort of offensive or stupid schtick.

201 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:14:59am

re: #187 Jimmah

Funny sweetbreads story (really.. the only funny story about sweetbreads, but funny)

I worked with a (what I thought to be) intelligent man who suffered terribly from Gout. We were talking about it (I get it too, but not at his level) and he mentioned to me that his mother in law was a great pastry chef, and as much as he loved her cooking, because of his gout, he couldn't enjoy it. As a matter of fact... he didn't like going to her house because the aroma made him crazy!

I asked, "What do pastries have to do with anything?"

He said, "The doctor told me, at all costs to avoid sweetbreads."

When I explained what sweetbreads were, he was ecstatic... but chagrined.

202 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:15:08am

re: #197 Jimmah

Wow, that's some funny stuff. They really run that on the TV? Goddamn I love me some irreverence.

203 shiplord kirel  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:16:03am

More Wal-Mart crap. I saw a little shit-scum of an old man, maybe 70 years old, hit a female Wal-Mart greeter whose ARM WAS IN A SLING!
The cowardly managers would do nothing about it and they threatened me with arrest when I said I would be happy to stomp the little shit through the pavement.
I saw this just as I was coming in the door. The greeter was gathering up left behind merchandise at a check stand and inadvertently picked up a tub of butter that belonged to the shit. He slapped her hand, hard enough to be audible 30 feet away and shouted, "Mine! That's mine!"
The greeter retreated to the door practically in tears and the little bastard started mouthing some kind of taunts at her. Apparently he thought I knew her because I appeared to sympathize with her. A manager came by and told her to file the usual report.
I said, "Aren't you going to have the little shit arrested?"
The manager said, "That isn't our policy." When I offered to take care of it myself, pointing out that I am 61 and therefore exempt from Texas's insanely unjust elder abuse law (you essentially can't defend yourself from an attack by an old fart unless you are also over 55), the manager said I would be arrested if I tried that.
The little shit is white or possibly Hispanic, maybe 70, about 5'5", and wearing thick black framed glasses. He has a pinched up face that makes him look like an especially nasty little monkey. I devoutly hope to catch him on the street someday.

204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:16:29am

re: #196 Lidane

Has anyone tried the deep fried lard?

205 Lidane  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:16:45am

re: #198 thedopefishlives

Deep fried potato skins are awesome. So are fried pickles. And fried macaroni.

Basically, if you'd eat it normally, chances are it's really good fried. Too bad I'm hoping to lose some weight before my 20th high school reunion next year, so fried foods are out for me for a while. Heh.

206 Lidane  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:17:27am

re: #204 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'm sure somebody somewhere has done it. I've never had the courage to find out. :D

207 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:17:30am

re: #203 shiplord kirel

Good to know that's not a Wal Mart policy. I've been wanting to assault people in there for a good long time.

208 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:17:43am

re: #176 iceweasel

Everyone knows you and Jimmah are very happy.
As I saw it Mandy was banned for accusing the web host of pro-Muslim bias and anti-Tennessee bias. In doing so she leveled an additional accusation of his paying less attention to domestic anti-Semitic terror.
Those accusations were hurtful and baseless.
Mandy lashed out yesterday at Charles and he did what he had to do.
I feel terrible about it.

209 shiplord kirel  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:19:04am

re: #207 Jeff In Ohio

Good to know that's not a Wal Mart policy. I've been wanting to assault people in there for a good long time.

It probably varies from place to place, so be careful. I've sometimes wanted to slap some Wal-marters around myself, but not a woman with an arm in a sling.

210 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:20:50am

re: #208 Spare O'Lake

Your dog had a big poop today. I love your mashups.

211 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:21:37am

re: #203 shiplord kirel

I mean, I understand wanting to take special care of old people because they're fragile and use of force against them would be magnified, but a law like that also gives them the freedom to act with impunity - like this guy did.

212 shiplord kirel  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:22:12am

I think there is some kind of city ordinance or religious rule or custom in Lubbock that you have to turn into a complete demonic asshole on your 60th birthday. At least that appears to be the case from all the nasty oldsters around here. I have so far tried to avoid compliance but I may well face arrest for that too.

213 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:23:09am

re: #211 thedopefishlives

The ability to inflict violence is mainly mental attitude. A mean sixty year old who's in good shape can lay a hell of a beating on someone.

That's a good example of a law that sounds good on paper, but makes no sense in the real world.

214 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:23:59am

re: #203 shiplord kirel

That's absolutely horrible, and I suspect that it might be a general retail store policy not confined to WalMart. I was working in retail when I was a teenager and there was this old asshole who would come around and harass us. Grabbed my wrist and twisted it up behind my back when I went to phone mall security on him (something we had recently resorted to doing with him).

I got zero support from the company when I filed charges. I'm certain that if I hadn't been the manager I would have been directed NOT to file.

215 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:24:08am

re: #212 shiplord kirel

I think there is some kind of city ordinance or religious rule or custom in Lubbock that you have to turn into a complete demonic asshole on your 60th birthday. At least that appears to be the case from all the nasty oldsters around here. I have so far tried to avoid compliance but I may well face arrest for that too.

Had a friend of mine out in California, he rides a motorcycle. He's been in two accidents in the last two years. One was a cantankerous old lady who cut across all the lanes of traffic and basically sideswiped him and knocked him over. She attempted to make it out to be his fault when the police showed up.

216 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:24:11am

re: #203 shiplord kirel

There was a story (heard it a long time ago, so don't ask for a link) of an elderly man who killed his wife of 60 or so years. Stabbed her a hundred or so times.

When they asked him why he did it, he said, "Because she kept putting the G.D. butter behind the G.D. milk!"

217 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:24:25am

re: #210 Jeff In Ohio

Your dog had a big poop today. I love your mashups.

I have no idea what you just said, but I'll assume it was a gleeful gloat unless you say otherwise.

218 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:25:42am

re: #202 Jeff In Ohio

Wow, that's some funny stuff. They really run that on the TV? Goddamn I love me some irreverence.

Heh. It looks like the real deal but I suspect it may be a high quality spoof, judging by the lack of wall-to-wall outrage on the front pages of the Daily Mail.

219 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:26:05am

Greets and saluts from the newly greened Ground Zero (the Port Authority started planting trees for the 9/11 memorial over the weekend). The firestorm over the Cordoba House proposed community center continues, with further reporting on possible problems with the the imam and developer as alternatively, slumlord and tax cheat (failing to pay property taxes on properties in New Jersey).

While those stories are troubling, and go to the character and judgment involved, there are real storms to worry about in the Atlantic Ocean:

It's possible that Hurricane Earl may work its way up the East Coast and may be affecting the NYC Metro area by Thursday/Friday. Between now and then, high surf is expected along the East Coast following the hurricane grazing the Virgin Islands today.

220 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:27:06am

re: #210 Jeff In Ohio

Don't get that.

221 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:27:21am

re: #213 Obdicut

The ability to inflict violence is mainly mental attitude. A mean sixty year old who's in good shape can lay a hell of a beating on someone.

That's a good example of a law that sounds good on paper, but makes no sense in the real world.

Oh, I'm not denying that. I guess I mean to say that it's easier to physically injure an older man/woman than someone in the prime of their life, or at least in the majority of cases. That doesn't mean that an old fart can't or won't kick your ass if you ask for it and/or underestimate them. I'm certainly not meaning to suggest that the law is justifiable in any reality.

222 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:28:54am

re: #219 lawhawk

Be careful out there, man.

Just remember, hawk... It ain't that the wind is blowing. It's what the wind is blowing.

223 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:29:48am

re: #219 lawhawk

Do you really think posting tabloid stories about the community center is a good idea?

224 mcspiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:30:39am

re: #175 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I don't think Mandy'd go there. I wish for her and her son nothing but the best. One thing to attack trolls who get banned... I'd prefer to see folks let the old timers rest in peace, even the ones that I don't like.

But, I know that ain't happening.

But, a girl can dream.

*blink*

I don't think so either, not if she stayed here this long. That's just my standard disclousre. I try not to step on anyone's toes here, I know bannings can be a senstive topic, but if you go over there, I will mock mericlessly ;-)

225 shiplord kirel  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:30:57am

I think old people get a special set of rules mostly because they are more likely to vote than younger people. I am probably at the 98th percentile in physical condition for men my age and I can take care of myself but I'm also aware that my bones and joints are getting fragile.
I support laws to protect all vulnerable people from abuse, but Texas essentially gives seniors a license to abuse everyone else. I've seen this over and over, the only people who aren't in danger from deranged old farts are the criminals who don't care about any kind of law.

226 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:31:07am

re: #221 thedopefishlives

I got you. I was agreeing with you.

227 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:31:09am

re: #217 Spare O'Lake

Dinging the post? or the Poster?

228 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:31:12am

Lunchtime here - bye for now from ice and me.

229 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:31:32am

re: #224 mcspiff

You and me both.

230 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:32:00am

re: #217 Spare O'Lake

I have 3 posts. Gleeful gloat, interesting story and impassioned response.

The question is am I gloating about Mandy being banned and the answer would be no, I actually could don't are that much to gloat and I think I summed that up already. I take humans at face value, even on the internet, and regardless of how hateful they can sometimes be, try to find something good and common in which to relate. I find this way of interacting with people shows both of us that there is more in common then not and forces them (and me) to reconsider cherished positions.

That was an example of the impassioned response.

So, I was gloating as I love the way you start an idea with and idea that has nothing to do with the idea your attempting to put across.

231 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:32:07am

Crap! Look at the time! Why didn't someone warn me!?!?

232 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:32:31am

re: #218 Jimmah

Heh. It looks like the real deal but I suspect it may be a high quality spoof, judging by the lack of wall-to-wall outrage on the front pages of the Daily Mail.

Ah, to bad!

233 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:33:34am

re: #230 Jeff In Ohio

So, I was gloating as I love the way you start an idea with and idea that has nothing to do with the idea your attempting to put across.

Yeah, that was interesting.

234 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:35:53am

re: #230 Jeff In Ohio

pimf - don't care that much to gloat.

Where are my glasses!

235 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:36:44am

re: #227 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dinging the post? or the Poster?

Your guess is as good as mine. I do feel the love, though.

236 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:40:33am

Totally random question:

Does anyone have any opinions on what banks are best for small businesses? Just for an account, not a loan.

237 laZardo  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:41:12am

re: #231 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Crap! Look at the time! Why didn't someone warn me!?!?

"Man that drop pocket watch in toilet, gets shitty time."
- Confucius

/at least I wish he could have said that.

238 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:42:22am

re: #230 Jeff In Ohio

I have 3 posts. Gleeful gloat, interesting story and impassioned response.

The question is am I gloating about Mandy being banned and the answer would be no, I actually could don't are that much to gloat and I think I summed that up already. I take humans at face value, even on the internet, and regardless of how hateful they can sometimes be, try to find something good and common in which to relate. I find this way of interacting with people shows both of us that there is more in common then not and forces them (and me) to reconsider cherished positions.

That was an example of the impassioned response.

So, I was gloating as I love the way you start an idea with and idea that has nothing to do with the idea your attempting to put across.

The dog poop mashup screed actually made more sense that the incomprehensible drivel you just posted.

239 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:43:05am

re: #238 Spare O'Lake

Let me translate:

He's saying it's weird that you'd include the bit about Jimmy and Ice being happy, when it has nothing to do with the rest of your post. Hence, a mashup.

240 mcspiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:44:25am

re: #227 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Dinging the post? or the Poster?

Spare? Usually the poster. I've him downding goodnight posts. Passive aggressive people are funny.

241 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:44:38am

re: #239 Obdicut

Let me translate:

He's saying it's weird that you'd include the bit about Jimmy and Ice being happy, when it has nothing to do with the rest of your post. Hence, a mashup.

Thank you.

242 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:44:52am

re: #238 Spare O'Lake

Fair enough. Try the Corn Flakes.

243 mcspiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:45:10am

re: #240 mcspiff

PIMF: I've seen him downding

244 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:49:10am

re: #223 Obdicut

The "tabloid stories" as you put it are shaping the public's opinion on the community center. While you might disparage the Post, perhaps a similar report from the Bergen Record might carry greater weight? Or maybe the NYT, which in a report about Imam Rauf, noted that SoHo Properties did owe $200k, but that the matter was being resolved.

Even as the project’s developers collected $10,000 at a fund-raiser this weekend, they were working to settle an outstanding property tax bill of more than $200,000 on the site where the center is expected to be built.

Representatives of the real estate concern run by Sharif el-Gamal, the developer on the project, said they had delayed the payments while negotiating with the city for a lower tax.

Mr. Gamal plans to buy the land from Con Edison, the current owner, which has said the transaction would proceed as long as Mr. Gamal agrees to a price set by an appraiser.

The fact is that the Post and Daily News do quite a bit of good local reporting, and if you can get past the tabloid nature, you'd find that some of their reporting is better than that of the NY Times (especially when related to Ground Zero construction - I routinely look at all four local papers for stories, and the Post and News report far more on Ground Zero than the others; for the Cordoba controversy, I look at all four, and average 'em to get a good idea what's going on).

245 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:54:07am

re: #239 Obdicut

What was the poop part?

246 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:57:19am

re: #242 Jeff In Ohio

Fair enough. Try the Corn Flakes.

What you describe as a mashup was just a response to Iceweasel saying she was happy that Mandy was banned and giving her views on why she was banned. What I wrote was to point out that Iceweasel's/Jimmah's happiness at the the banning was no surprise to anyone, followed by my own take on why she was banned.
How is that a mashup, if it was directly responsive?

247 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:58:45am

re: #244 lawhawk

I do disparage the Post. And yes, I agree that they're shaping opinion on it-- and you're assisting. That's what I'm pointing out. Whether or not Rauf is a good landlord is completely immaterial to the building of the community center; to me, it's a rather transparent smear campaign, and I'm disappointed to see you enabling it.

There are thousands of development deals going on in NYC right now. None of the rest of them are being scrutinized like this. The reasons for this are obvious: these are Muslims.

248 Stonemason  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:58:46am

Funny how the down-dingers that I mentioned on the last thread can't even keep their fingers off the button in order to prove me wrong, thereby proving my point.

249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:58:59am

re: #246 Spare O'Lake

That was the way that I read it.

250 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:00:08am

re: #249 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That was the way that I read it.


Ah, that does kind of make sense. See, I think of Jimmah and Iceweasel being happy because they're together after having been separated.

251 Locker  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:00:25am

Ice and Jimmah aren't the only ones who are happy. Bring your stupid shit to me and I'll be happy to duke it out.

252 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:00:56am

re: #250 Obdicut

Oh, I know. Could've been read either way.

I have to go to work. Y'all have some fun, okay?

253 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:01:39am

re: #252 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I'll have some fun as soon as I can figure out what "Exempt from backup withholding" means on my W-9 form.

254 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:02:17am

re: #253 Obdicut

I'll have some fun as soon as I can figure out what "Exempt from backup withholding" means on my W-9 form.

Oh! I can help with that real quick...

That's gubmint speak for SEND ME ALL YER MONEY!

255 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:02:41am

re: #247 Obdicut

The Record reported that the Imam was a slumlord. That's not the Post. Both papers reported essentially the same thing over the weekend. That isn't just shaping news, but reporting a situation that the Imam has cultivated during his period as a landlord of properties in New Jersey.

Is that material to his veracity and stewardship of a project in Manhattan? Perhaps. It definitely speaks to his character, and I think it does to his financial responsibility.

And if you think that other high profile projects aren't scrutinized in the City, you're sorely mistaken (as someone who follows those kinds of deals regularly).

256 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:05:11am

I just wanna tell you both, good luck. We're all counting on you.

257 Winny Spencer  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:05:17am

Afternoon folks.

When it rains, it pours. As I discovered when I left my umbrella at home today.

258 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:07:33am

re: #247 Obdicut

I do disparage the Post. And yes, I agree that they're shaping opinion on it-- and you're assisting. That's what I'm pointing out. Whether or not Rauf is a good landlord is completely immaterial to the building of the community center; to me, it's a rather transparent smear campaign, and I'm disappointed to see you enabling it.

There are thousands of development deals going on in NYC right now. None of the rest of them are being scrutinized like this. The reasons for this are obvious: these are Muslims.

Your longstanding intolerance to facts which do not happen to support your agenda is increasingly spilling over into personal attacks on the messenger. Rauf's recent real estate management experience and conduct is directly relevant to the proposed Park51 development, and your saying it is not does not make it so. And accusing lawhawk of promoting bigotry is so grossly unfair that it make you look like a drooling idiot.

259 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:09:26am

re: #255 lawhawk

Okay. Wherever the story originates from, it's a smear. Every landlord has tenant complaints. All of them. This bit is also in the story:

Records show that in general the problems were resolved after complaints were lodged with officials; often, the problems reoccurred.

That would describe every apartment building I've ever lived in.

Is that material to his veracity and stewardship of a project in Manhattan? Perhaps. It definitely speaks to his character, and I think it does to his financial responsibility.

I don't think that he is the sole person responsible for the project, is he? So what do you mean by 'Stewardship'?


And if you think that other high profile projects aren't scrutinized in the City, you're sorely mistaken (as someone who follows those kinds of deals regularly).

This project is only 'high-profile' because the it's a Muslim community center and Muslims are involved. What other deals at this level are making front-page news, exactly?

260 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:10:28am

re: #258 Spare O'Lake

If I had accused him of promoting bigotry, your post might make a lick of sense.

Do you ever get a little irony twinge when you falsely accuse someone else of making a personal attack, and then, in the same post, call them a 'drooling idiot' or make some other sort of personal attack?

261 [deleted]  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:13:52am
262 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:17:03am

re: #259 Obdicut

Rauf is the promoter for the project, along with the developer. That means he's stewarding the project as the head of Cordoba Initiative.

Stewardship:

Definition of STEWARDSHIP
1
: the office, duties, and obligations of a steward
2
: the conducting, supervising, or managing of something; especially : the careful and responsible management of something entrusted to one's care

His financial and real estate dealings to date that inform as to his capacities as a real estate developer/owner are germane, particularly when public monies may be involved.

You're right that this project gained the profile it did was because it was being promoted by Rauf and the Muslim group, but note too that it was the NYT that originally reported on the proposed community center project before it was taken up by everyone else (and the wingnut contingency ran with it as an Islamic center and victory mosque lording over Ground Zero). Should the Times have not reported it?

A project can go from obscure to headline with any kind of controversy in the City. This one did so because of who the parties to the deal were.

263 mcspiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:17:15am

re: #261 Spare O'Lake

Temper temper.

264 mcspiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:18:34am

re: #262 lawhawk

Rauf is the promoter for the project, along with the developer. That means he's stewarding the project as the head of Cordoba Initiative.

Stewardship:


His financial and real estate dealings to date that inform as to his capacities as a real estate developer/owner are germane, particularly when public monies may be involved.

You're right that this project gained the profile it did was because it was being promoted by Rauf and the Muslim group, but note too that it was the NYT that originally reported on the proposed community center project before it was taken up by everyone else (and the wingnut contingency ran with it as an Islamic center and victory mosque lording over Ground Zero). Should the Times have not reported it?

A project can go from obscure to headline with any kind of controversy in the City. This one did so because of who the parties to the deal were.

My impression that Rauf was mostly concerned with the community/religious side. I'd assume in a project of this scale there would be some form of Board of Governors or shareholders. Do we know what the mangement structure for park51 is?

265 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:19:33am

re: #250 Obdicut

Ah, that does kind of make sense. See, I think of Jimmah and Iceweasel being happy because they're together after having been separated.

That would be correct! (driving by having lunch).

266 filetandrelease  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:20:23am
If you don't like the irony of referring to deluded half wit homophobes by a derogatory term for a homosexual act, then I shall be more academic.

The teabags are hateful, white trash scum, racists, wannabe fascists and semi-literate morons.

A cut and paste from a prior thread, compliments LVQ.

Wow, this sight has drifted so far left it is difficult to read any more. The above quote is ridiculous to the extreme and unworthy of this web site in days gone by. Apparently this type of banality currently is considered deep thought here. LVQ, shame on you for wasting your mind.

267 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:21:11am

re: #262 lawhawk

That means he's a, not the, steward.

Should the Times have not reported it?

I'm really unclear on what you're talking about now. Is this in reference to me castigating the Post as a tabloid?

I am pointing out that the only reason we're hearing anything about Rauf's previous experiences as a landlord and developer is because wingnuts have gone nuts over the fact that Muslims are daring to build a community center. I am pointing out that you are enabling this by posting those stories.


A project can go from obscure to headline with any kind of controversy in the City. This one did so because of who the parties to the deal were.

Can you please name another such project, with a similar budget, that's enjoyed similar headlines in recent memory or the current day?

268 mcspiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:21:26am

re: #266 filetandrelease

Why are you addressing a poster who isn't here to respond? Scared of LVQ perhaps?

269 humpty dumpty was pushed  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:21:34am

Hi. Nice to see the LGF community is still going strong. Peace and love to you, in a spiritually nondenominational way.

270 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:23:25am

re: #246 Spare O'Lake

What you describe as a mashup was just a response to Iceweasel saying she was happy that Mandy was banned and giving her views on why she was banned. What I wrote was to point out that Iceweasel's/Jimmah's happiness at the the banning was no surprise to anyone, followed by my own take on why she was banned.
How is that a mashup, if it was directly responsive?

Please. Now you get a downding for the original.

BTW, Where did I use the word happy? Didn't happen. Yep, I'm glad she's gone, I fully support Charles's decision. Too bad for you.

271 filetandrelease  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:23:56am

re: #268 mcspiff

Yes, you nailed it.

Or perhaps it is because I am here now and have a moment. LVQ and I have had many words, not all unpleasant. My hopes is that he will read it and consider them. It is an old theme of mine with him.

272 mcspiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:25:21am

re: #271 filetandrelease

Yes, you nailed it.

Or perhaps it is because I am here now and have a moment. LVQ and I have had many words, not all unpleasant. My hopes is that he will read it and consider them. It is an old theme of mine with him.

Ah, I generally stick to email for that type of thing, rather than random chance of him reading what will most likely be a dead thread. But, if you say so.

273 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:25:53am

re: #261 Spare O'Lake

I do feel it's unwise for Lawhawk to post stories that are obvious dirt-digging on Rauf. How you translate that into an accusation of promoting bigotry I don't know. Dirt-digging isn't bigotry. It's typical sensationalist yellow journalism.

It'll make some bigots happy, sure, to see Rauf being castigated as a bad landlord. That doesn't mean everyone talking about the story is a bigot, or promoting bigotry.

There seems to be this odd disconnect where people think the statement "There are no non-bigoted reasons to object to the community center" equates to "every single person not supporting the building 100% is a bigot".

274 ShaunP  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:26:00am

re: #271 filetandrelease

...It is an old theme of mine with him.

So, how exactly has the site changed then?

275 filetandrelease  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:26:02am

re: #272 mcspiff

The message wasn't to him alone.

276 mcspiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:28:29am

re: #275 filetandrelease

The message wasn't to him alone.

Sure thing. Again, I consider it cowardly to attack someone who can't respond, especially when you posted a comment without context or source beyond the posters name. But you can consider it some grand philospical point if you'd like.

277 filetandrelease  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:28:31am

re: #274 ShaunP
As I indicated, it is has drifted to left. Far left IMO. Most of the conservatives I enjoyed reading here have long since gone. The above quote wasn't even challenged. As dispicable as it is.

278 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:29:26am

re: #277 filetandrelease

Gee, sounds like you really hate it here.

279 mcspiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:30:17am

re: #277 filetandrelease

As I indicated, it is has drifted to left. Far left IMO. Most of the conservatives I enjoyed reading here have long since gone. The above quote wasn't even challenged. As dispicable as it is.

Ah yes, the far left trite again. Because people will defend Berkeley or San Fran. LVQ has been told by Charles to keep the rhetoric down before, wouldn't surprise me if he had there as well. But we don't know because you conviently leave out the link.

280 filetandrelease  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:30:56am

re: #278 Obdicut

I don't hate it here, but don't read it nearly as much anymore.

281 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:31:06am

re: #267 Obdicut

Many of the projects that have generated controversy such as this have been larger, or involve the name Trump.

Wait, I take it back - the renovation of Washington Square Park or Union Square, NYU's plans to expand in Manhattan at various times (different projects have different costs). Various development projects involving the MTA. The Prudential Center in Newark was $300 million.

Construction accidents on smaller projects can be revealing - such as with crane collapsing revealing all manner of malfeasance by the owners, operators, real estate ventures, etc. There have been all too many of those.

282 Reginald Perrin  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:32:16am

re: #277 filetandrelease

As I indicated, it is has drifted to left. Far left IMO. Most of the conservatives I enjoyed reading here have long since gone. The above quote wasn't even challenged. As dispicable as it is.

Have you ever considered that this blog stayed in the middle and it was the so called conservatives who moved far right?

283 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:33:03am

re: #281 lawhawk

The mess with Tavern on the Green - a landmark in Manhattan that was shuttered, sold in bankruptcy, and remains closed because the City and prospective owners can't get a deal done with the union.

Museums like MoMa building big towers or major renovations that result in changes to their collections, nearby buildings, impacts on local community, etc.

284 filetandrelease  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:33:28am

re: #278 Obdicut
There are plenty of posters here I respect, LVQ being one, but the constant pounding of the right with no balance as if the left is impugn to criticism is hard to take.

285 filetandrelease  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:34:06am

re: #282 Reginald Perrin

No.

286 Reginald Perrin  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:35:20am

re: #285 filetandrelease

No.

There's your problem...........

287 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:35:31am

re: #281 lawhawk

Everything you listed there other than Trump involves a public entity; a state school, renovation of public property, the MTA, and a city stadium. Those are not really comparable to a private project, in the least.

Nor is $300 million very close to $100 million.

288 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:36:21am

re: #284 filetandrelease

There are plenty of posters here I respect, LVQ being one, but the constant pounding of the right with no balance as if the left is impugn to criticism is hard to take.

You mean 'immune', not 'impugn'.

What exactly would you like in response to your posts here?

289 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:39:26am

re: #287 Obdicut

Not entirely - given that this project is meant to built a community center for the local community - that has a public aspect shared with some of the park and other public projects.

290 filetandrelease  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:43:15am

re: #288 Obdicut

Nothing I suppose, it was just a comment that I felt the need to make. I have been here for a few years and miss the balance. LVQ's statement provided an extreme opportunity to make the point.

(thanks for the correction, was thinking of impunity, impune)

291 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:43:43am

re: #289 lawhawk

Not really, no. A park is public land. This is private land. The most comparable thing would be a YMCA, a JCC, or a Catholic school.

I think you get my point well enough. The only reason there are headlines on this, the only reason people are trying to dig up dirt on Rauf, is the fact that they are Muslims trying to build a community center. That is the one and the only reason.

This is not the only case of yellow journalism that has ever existed, but it is, most definitely a case of yellow journalism.

292 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:48:49am

re: #290 filetandrelease

Nothing I suppose, it was just a comment that I felt the need to make. I have been here for a few years and miss the balance. LVQ's statement provided an extreme opportunity to make the point.

(thanks for the correction, was thinking of impunity, impune)

There's plenty of balance. Charles himself has pointed out several times that Teh Stupid has no party or political affiliation, and the current craze of banging on right-wing crazies is simply because they're the ones making all the noise right now. No doubt if and when some left-leaning member of the vast unhinged makes itself known, it will be publicized with all due mockery and derision.

293 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:48:57am

Morning.
What'd I miss?

294 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:50:59am

re: #293 Varek Raith

Morning.
What'd I miss?

Some heads asploded. Nothing new, really.

295 laZardo  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:51:09am

re: #293 Varek Raith

Morning.
What'd I miss?

Mint ice cream. Mmmm~

296 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:54:07am

Whoa...
I just found out who.
Oy.

297 humpty dumpty was pushed  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:55:24am

Lawhawk and Obdicut, a debate about Rauf as a competent landlord vs Rauf as an irresponsible slumlord is interesting but peripheral to a larger issue. Some will view the community center as an outreach to non-Muslims while others will consider it a victory mosque. That will not change and the wisdom of his chosen site to begin improving relations is questionable.

298 MrSilverDragon  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:59:09am

Good morning, folks. Looks like I missed a bit of a hullabaloo here.

Hope y'all are getting a good start to the day.

299 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:00:30am

re: #297 humpty dumpty was pushed

The site is where they need it to be, where they already have an overflow prayer room. It's to serve the community. It's not merely symbolic.

Nobody is genuinely protesting it because they think it's 'unwise'.

300 laZardo  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:01:37am

re: #298 MrSilverDragon

I woke up to find the link in this in my e-mail. Of course now it's 11PM so. q:

301 iossarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:04:38am

FWIW I have mentioned a couple of times on here (and indeed elsewhere) that I find it supremely ironic that people are quick to describe bigots and racists with terms such as "white trash" and "rednecks".

The biggest challenges of tolerance, IMO, are A) to try to understand WHY people are intolerant, and B) observe those same causes and effects in one's own actions and words.

302 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:05:08am

re: #300 laZardo

I woke up to find the link in this in my e-mail. Of course now it's 11PM so. q:

I just read my weekly e-mail from my son in the Bacolod area. They keep moving him around so I'm never sure quite where he is.

His adventure last week was breaking an umbrella over a rat the size of his arm. He wouldn't have bothered if it hadn't been coming towards him.

He serves in some pretty rural areas.

303 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:06:59am

re: #302 DaddyG

I just read my weekly e-mail from my son in the Bacolod area. They keep moving him around so I'm never sure quite where he is.

His adventure last week was breaking an umbrella over a rat the size of his arm. He wouldn't have bothered if it hadn't been coming towards him.

He serves in some pretty rural areas.

Ratzilla!

304 humpty dumpty was pushed  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:07:11am

re: #299 Obdicut

With respect,I understand that it is not merely symbolic and it is an expansion of an existing facility. But symbolism is the largest part of the argument for many.

305 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:07:46am

re: #304 humpty dumpty was pushed

With respect,I understand that it is not merely symbolic and it is an expansion of an existing facility. But symbolism is the largest part of the argument for many.

Which is irrelevant.

306 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:07:55am

re: #301 iossarian
When things get personal posters can make some over the top statements. Of course those are the same ones that come back to haunt them on stalker blogs or trolls that use the search function. Last week someone was digging up Many Manners statements from 3 years ago and asking us why we didn't repudiate them.

Asking posters to take ownership of or repudiate other people's statements is a cheap trick that substitutes for real dialogue.

307 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:08:53am

re: #304 humpty dumpty was pushed

With respect,I understand that it is not merely symbolic and it is an expansion of an existing facility. But symbolism is the largest part of the argument for many.

What argument, exactly? Anyone who thinks a Sufi community center is a 'victory mosque' for Al-Queda is massively ignorant. So what 'argument' are you referring to? Whether ignorance should be catered to?

308 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:09:19am

re: #303 Varek Raith

Ratzilla!


Yup... he shared that story with his grandmother. He also told her he doesn't bother with mosquito netting becuase no more than 3-5 missionaries get dengue fever or malaria every year.

I told him that there are some things he just shouldn't share with grandma.

309 humpty dumpty was pushed  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:09:43am

re: #305 Varek Raith

Irrelevant in a vacuum.

310 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:10:57am

re: #309 humpty dumpty was pushed

Sigh.

311 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:12:00am

re: #309 humpty dumpty was pushed

Irrelevant in a vacuum.


We're not in a vacuum. We are operating under some pretty powerful symbols. This one for instance:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

312 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:15:14am

re: #307 Obdicut

What argument, exactly? Anyone who thinks a Sufi community center is a 'victory mosque' for Al-Queda is massively ignorant. So what 'argument' are you referring to? Whether ignorance should be catered to?

Islamic scholar issues fatwa against terrorism

A prominent Islamic scholar issued a religious ruling against terrorism and suicide bombings at a speech in London Tuesday. Muhammad Tahir ul-Qadri, a leading scholar of Sufism, the tradition within Islam that focuses on peace and tolerance, isn't the first Islamic teacher to denounce acts of terrorism. But Qadri's 600-page judgment, or fatwa, is among the harshest denouncements of the theological arguments used by militant groups like al-Qaeda.

And, by fantastic coincidence, Sufism is the same sect practiced by...Imam Rauf. I think it should go without saying at this point that likening sufi Muslims to al-Queda is like comparing the Quackers to Fred Phelps.

313 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:15:23am

Muslims that by all reasonable accounts are assimilated into American culture, are moderate and are completely different from the radical wahbbist sects are trying to establish a worship center in an abandoned Burlington Coat Factory building. Another group of decidedly moderate muslims that have been in a community for almost 30 years want to build a new facility in Tennessee.

Both groups are greeted with derision and scorn and even violence (Arson, gunshots, threats...)

How does this behavior square with the constitutional right to worship according to their own conscience?

314 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:16:15am

re: #312 publicityStunted

Islamic scholar issues fatwa against terrorism


And, by fantastic coincidence, Sufism is the same sect practiced by...Imam Rauf. I think it should go without saying at this point that likening sufi Muslims to al-Queda is like comparing the Quackers to Fred Phelps.


Quackers = Quakers?

315 humpty dumpty was pushed  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:16:16am

re: #307 Obdicutre: #311 DaddyG

Ok, I`m just outclassed here, debate wise. Typing sucks too. Maybe it`s a great idea.

316 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:16:24am

re: #313 DaddyG

Muslims that by all reasonable accounts are assimilated into American culture, are moderate and are completely different from the radical wahbbist sects are trying to establish a worship center in an abandoned Burlington Coat Factory building. Another group of decidedly moderate muslims that have been in a community for almost 30 years want to build a new facility in Tennessee.

Both groups are greeted with derision and scorn and even violence (Arson, gunshots, threats...)

How does this behavior square with the constitutional right to worship according to their own conscience?

A lot of them see Islam as a political construct and not a religious one.

317 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:18:04am

re: #314 DaddyG

Quackers = Quakers?

*hits self with PIMF stick* Yes :(

There's no religion I know of inspired by the Aflac spokesbird ;)

318 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:20:15am

re: #315 humpty dumpty was pushed

re: #311 DaddyG

Ok, I`m just outclassed here, debate wise. Typing sucks too. Maybe it`s a great idea.

You are not outclassed. I've had this discussion with several friends and family members. Many of them were not well informed by our press, who cannot seem to distinguish between militant wahabbism and the brand of moderate sufi Islam that most of our American Muslim neighbors practice.

The kinds of arguments used against their religion are the same arguments people have used against religion of any kind. The scare tactics are disguisting. I am by no means a liberal but I have great difficulty swallowing the bile that has been levelled against an entire religion which I know from personal relations is not militaristic or in opposition to American values.

319 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:20:38am

re: #317 publicityStunted

*hits self with PIMF stick* Yes :(

There's no religion I know of inspired by the Aflac spokesbird ;)


But there probably should be... ;-)

320 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:22:10am

re: #110 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

South Dakota's state motto?: Closer Than North Dakota

Wisconsin's State Motto: Eat Cheese or Die

321 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:23:10am

re: #316 Varek Raith

A lot of them see Islam as a political construct and not a religious one.

The Taliban as self proclaimed spokespersons for Muslims have not helped that at all. But instead of insisting on an American brand of religious police we should be reaffirming the American Muslims right to worship peacefully. Granted there are radicals in some of our mosques but if their behavior crosses the line into illegal or terrorist activities we have laws in place to stop that.

322 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:23:28am

re: #320 ralphieboy

Wisconsin's State Motto: Eat Cheese or Die

Michigan's State Motto: We're Close to Canada.

323 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:24:04am

re: #315 humpty dumpty was pushed

Ok, I`m just outclassed here, debate wise. Typing sucks too. Maybe it`s a great idea.

The point really isn't whether it is or is not a great idea. The point is that it is really nobody's business at all other than the community being served by the community center. Maybe they'll turn out to be idiots who build a sucky community center with an over-chlorinated pool, peeling paint, and a restaurant with terrible food.

Maybe they'll get bombed by the same sort of assholes now equating Islam with evil. Maybe they'll have protesters outside every day.

None of that matters. It may or may not have been 'wise' for Rosa Parks not to give up her seat on the bus. It may or may not be 'wise' for Orthodox Jews to wear easily recognizable outfits. None of that should matter to anyone who isn't actually involved.

324 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:24:32am

Georgia's state motto: We're not in last place. Thank God for Mississippi!

325 laZardo  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:24:47am

re: #322 Alouette

Michigan's State Motto: Avoid Detroit.

ftfy?

326 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:24:47am

re: #322 Alouette

Michigan's State Motto: We're Close to Canada.


Pennsylvania's State Motto: Gateway to Ohio

327 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:24:49am

re: #322 Alouette

Michigan's State Motto: We're Close to Canada.

Alabamas State Motto

Thank God for Mississippi!!

328 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:25:22am

re: #327 sattv4u2

Alabamas State Motto

Thank God for Mississippi!!

GMTA

329 jaunte  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:25:22am

re: #321 DaddyG

It would be something to celebrate if more Americans would buck up and show some confidence in our own system, instead of panicking over the first imagined whiff of influence of a foreign ideology.

330 laZardo  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:25:51am

California State Motto: Requiem in Pace

331 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:25:59am

re: #328 DaddyG

GMTA

;)

332 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:26:22am

re: #246 Spare O'Lake

What you describe as a mashup was just a response to Iceweasel saying she was happy that Mandy was banned and giving her views on why she was banned. What I wrote was to point out that Iceweasel's/Jimmah's happiness at the the banning was no surprise to anyone, followed by my own take on why she was banned.
How is that a mashup, if it was directly responsive?

Gotcha. I apologize for being hopelessly obtuse and subjecting you to my drivel.

333 webevintage  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:26:59am

re: #327 sattv4u2

Alabamas State Motto

Thank God for Mississippi!!

Sorry, that state motto is already taken by Arkansas.

334 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:27:14am

California's state motto: "Eureka!"

(when you've got a cool state motto, you don't have to joke about it)

335 Vicious Babushka  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:27:20am

re: #325 laZardo

ftfy?

Well, except that you have to go through Detroit to get to Canada.

No, that's not completely true. There is another border crossing at Port Huron.

336 ShaunP  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:27:30am

re: #329 jaunte

It would be something to celebrate if more Americans would buck up and show some confidence in our own system, instead of panicking over the first imagined whiff of influence of a foreign ideology.

This^^^

The whole "creeping sharia" nonsense is one of the most boldfaced, idiotic premises I've seen to suppress a group that represents 1% of the population...

337 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:27:43am

re: #329 jaunte

It would be something to celebrate if more Americans would buck up and show some confidence in our own system, instead of panicking over the first imagined whiff of influence of a foreign ideology.

Remember that a lot of Americans had almost no concept of Islam until they were rudely introduced to it by 9/11. And to them, the two remain closely associated concepts, something that the anti-Islam agitators are big at exploiting.

338 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:27:44am

re: #329 jaunte

It would be something to celebrate if more Americans would buck up and show some confidence in our own system, instead of panicking over the first imagined whiff of influence of a foreign ideology.


We (as a general populace) blew a golden opportunity to create a postcard for moderate Muslims the world over. If we have lived up to our values and laws we would be welcoming the community center and mosque with open arms. Instead we've handed a propaganda bonanza to the radicals who want to portray the west and America as enemies of Islam.

339 ShaunP  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:28:36am

re: #338 DaddyG

We (as a general populace) blew a golden opportunity to create a postcard for moderate Muslims the world over. If we have lived up to our values and laws we would be welcoming the community center and mosque with open arms. Instead we've handed a propaganda bonanza to the radicals who want to portray the west and America as enemies of Islam.

Ironically, we did get it right for ~8 years. For that, I give Bush his credit...

340 cliffster  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:28:58am

well, that's hard to believe. If you google "eclipse", you still actually get the website for the IDE in the top spot. hasn't yet been taken over by the goofy-ass book/movie yet..

341 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:29:30am

re: #339 ShaunP

Ironically, we did get it right for ~8 years. For that, I give Bush his credit...

I almost have to ask if the nations is not suffering from the effects of colletive PTSD over this affair...

342 captdiggs  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:31:33am

re: #338 DaddyG

Instead we've handed a propaganda bonanza to the radicals

It's a win-win for them anyway.
If it's built the same Islamists will view it as a victory. If it's not built, they can use that as "America is at war with Islam" propaganda.

343 cliffster  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:31:42am

re: #327 sattv4u2

Alabamas State Motto

Thank God for Mississippi!!

Texas state motto: We're Texas, you're not.

344 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:31:56am

re: #337 ralphieboy

Remember that a lot of Americans had almost no concept of Islam until they were rudely introduced to it by 9/11. And to them, the two remain closely associated concepts, something that the anti-Islam agitators are big at exploiting.

Bingo. I have very close friends with a family much like our own who happen to be Muslim. Prior to 9/11 their kids didn't face anything more strange than the misconceptions my own LDS (Mormon) family faced. The occasional born again telling us we're going to hell, etc. Nothing earth shaking.

Since 9/11 I have worried about the kind of crap their kids have had to face.

Riddle me this: If they are subjected to threats and bullying in their youth will this increase or decrease the chances of any one of them sympathizing with radicals?

345 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:32:15am

re: #340 cliffster

well, that's hard to believe. If you google "eclipse", you still actually get the website for the IDE in the top spot. hasn't yet been taken over by the goofy-ass book/movie yet..

I got the movie first, IDE second. But I use the IDE regularly and won't see the movie, so google can't change me...this time.

346 laZardo  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:33:30am

re: #344 DaddyG

Riddle me this: If they are subjected to threats and bullying in their youth will this increase or decrease the chances of any one of them sympathizing with radicals?

Depends on how they deal with it.

Had I not learned to deal with what I went through as the wimpy kid in school I would probably still symphatize with Timmy McVeigh(!) and his "collectively guilty" mentality today.

347 avanti  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:33:44am

re: #284 filetandrelease

There are plenty of posters here I respect, LVQ being one, but the constant pounding of the right with no balance as if the left is impugn to criticism is hard to take.

That's why part of me will miss Mandy. Yes, many of her links were nothing more than conservative fact twisting, but it did provide us with a chance to counter it. The last thing I want is a blog that is 100 % right or left, I need to connect with all sides.
I have the most fun on here when challenged, even when the challenge is occasionally lame.

348 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:33:54am

re: #342 captdiggs

Why would the "Islamists"-- by whom I assume you mean Wahabbist types-- view the building of a Sufi community center whose Imam supports Israel as a victory?

349 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:33:55am

re: #342 captdiggs

It's a win-win for them anyway.
If it's built the same Islamists will view it as a victory. If it's not built, they can use that as "America is at war with Islam" propaganda.


I think the victory mosque thing is an urban myth. The likes of Osama Bin Laden or the Taliban are not friends with the Sufis that are building this mosque. In fact if we weren't keeping them busy with our military they would be busy killing each other.

350 jaunte  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:34:07am

re: #343 cliffster

Texas state motto: We're Texas, you're not.

I like the Lyle Lovett version:

"That's right you're not from Texas,
(but Texas wants you anyway).
351 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:35:18am

re: #344 DaddyG


Riddle me this: If they are subjected to threats and bullying in their youth will this increase or decrease the chances of any one of them sympathizing with radicals?

Threats and bullying won't turn them into radicals. Watching elected officials try to pass or change laws to keep their religion 'out of site, out of mind' for no apparent reason but to appease a bunch of bigots, however, could lead a person to joining a more oppositional group.

352 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:35:29am

re: #344 DaddyG

Bingo. I have very close friends with a family much like our own who happen to be Muslim. Prior to 9/11 their kids didn't face anything more strange than the misconceptions my own LDS (Mormon) family faced. The occasional born again telling us we're going to hell, etc. Nothing earth shaking.

Since 9/11 I have worried about the kind of crap their kids have had to face.

Riddle me this: If they are subjected to threats and bullying in their youth will this increase or decrease the chances of any one of them sympathizing with radicals?

I suspect Glen Beck is not doing any good for the Mormon image. What I find interesting is that his "preaching" is much more closer to the vein of evangelical rhetoric, than that of the more low-keyed approach Mormon's seem to take in their evangelizing.

Has this become a topic of discussion in you ward or among you fellow Mormon brothers?

353 cliffster  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:35:49am

re: #345 darthstar

I got the movie first, IDE second. But I use the IDE regularly and won't see the movie, so google can't change me...this time.

really? that's weird. I've seen google come up with different order of results.. usually seems to be a browser thing. I guess they could be doing some intelligence based on past behaviors. If so, that's pretty telling for you...

354 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:36:02am

Ouch - how did Mandy get herself banned? Was the trolling of her past posts giving ammo to Charles opponents or did she commit a fresh offense?

355 humpty dumpty was pushed  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:36:22am

@ Obdicut
" Maybe they'll turn out to be idiots who build a sucky community center with an over-chlorinated pool, peeling paint, and a restaurant with terrible food."

Lmao.

356 cliffster  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:37:07am

re: #354 DaddyG

Ouch - how did Mandy get herself banned? Was the trolling of her past posts giving ammo to Charles opponents or did she commit a fresh offense?

She lashed out at our host. Silly. I'm sure the trolling of her past posts didn't help any.

357 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:37:57am

re: #356 cliffster

Wow...and she's been pretty well behaved the last few months.

358 captdiggs  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:39:38am

re: #348 Obdicut

Why would the "Islamists"-- by whom I assume you mean Wahabbist types-- view the building of a Sufi community center whose Imam supports Israel as a victory?

Because they have that 10th century mindset. They are not nitpicking articles about Rauf and whether the location is within a certain number of feet from the crater, or fine point about Sufism. They only see a proposed mosque at the site of the largest attack on American soil in modern history.

Michael Yon has commented on this based on his current observations in the heart of Afghanistan and his numerous muslim contacts in the region

359 reine.de.tout  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:41:59am

Good morning all!

Well, my good deed for the day is done.

I have a cousin who was opposed to the NY Community Center.

We had a calm, factual conversation.
She's changed her mind.
w00t!

360 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:42:17am

re: #358 captdiggs

Because they have that 10th century mindset. They are not nitpicking articles about Rauf and whether the location is within a certain number of feet from the crater, or fine point about Sufism. They only see a proposed mosque at the site of the largest attack on American soil in modern history.

Michael Yon has commented on this based on his current observations in the heart of Afghanistan and his numerous muslim contacts in the region

If you share the Islamist viewpoint that the War on Terror is a struggle between Islam and Christianity, then a building a mosque in lower Manhattan is a moral victory.

If you see the WOT as a struggle between enlightenment and fundamentalism, then forbidding a mosque there is a defeat.

361 cliffster  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:43:26am

re: #357 darthstar

Wow...and she's been pretty well behaved the last few months.

yeah, I'm very sad to see her go. But what do one expect.. Charles busts his ass and provides a free site for people to have a forum. Even if you get mad, you really shouldn't lash out at him. Oh well. I'm going to ask around and see who knows how to keep in touch.

362 Lidane  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:45:50am

re: #342 captdiggs

If it's built, it's just another target for the radical Al-Qaeda types. Park51 is a Sufi Muslim center. That puts it at a complete theological and ideological opposition to the fundamentalist nutjobs who planned 9/11.

The only thing that's a win for AQ are the images of the idiots protesting Park51, since those images play right into their propaganda of the ugly, angry Americans at war with Islam.

363 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:46:09am

re: #352 Walter L. Newton

I suspect Glen Beck is not doing any good for the Mormon image. What I find interesting is that his "preaching" is much more closer to the vein of evangelical rhetoric, than that of the more low-keyed approach Mormon's seem to take in their evangelizing.

Has this become a topic of discussion in you ward or among you fellow Mormon brothers?


Believe it or not there was a bit of excitement over his national presence when he first came to prominance. Now our internal political discussions (which tend to take place in the halls and not Sunday school) are about as mixed as the general population.

Every Ward (geographically defined congregation) has a few Cleon Skousen or Birch Society fans (cranks?) but they are not mainstream. The ideas that flourished during the cold war are not central to our social views today. I believe that this is due in part to our continued influx of converts from all parts of society and the world.

I personally cringe a bit when the LDS Church uses celebrities to spread our message. You never know what is going to happen to their public image and living by celebrity can also mean dying by celebrity.

Some of the stuff Glenn Beck has been promoting recently is in fact opposed to our beliefs that all men should be able to worship according to the dictates of their conscience. His declarations that he is receiving inspiration are correct in as far as all men are able to receive inspiration from God, but our belief is that we receive revelation for our selves and those we have a stewardship over (family, church callings). He is bordering on being a self proclaimed prophet to declare that his teachings apply to the entire country. That is potentially opposed to our doctrines on revelation and I worry about that.

364 Interesting Times  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:46:41am

re: #358 captdiggs

Because they have that 10th century mindset. They are not nitpicking articles about Rauf and whether the location is within a certain number of feet from the crater, or fine point about Sufism.

How, then, would you explain this?

Lahore’s shrine bombed – outrageous, barbaric and unacceptable

This is a barbaric attack and should serve as a wake up call. Data Saheb’s shrine is not just another crowded place – it represents a millenia of tolerant Sufi Islam which is directly under attack by the puritans. Last year, there were threats and the government had closed the place for a day or two. This time the worst of nightmares has come true.

"Puritans", in this case, being al-Qaeda/wahabist types. If they bomb Sufi mosques in Pakistan and murder Sufi Muslims, why on earth would they see a Sufi mosque in NYC as a "victory" for their point of view?

365 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:48:26am

Good morn.

Anyone see this CNN fail?

Image: HdRvX.jpg

366 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:48:28am

I can't help but wonder, had the twin towers been brought down in an IRA terrorist attack, would we be seeing the same level of hyperventilation over the construction of a new parish church in that neighborhood? Somehow I doubt it, never mind that the same number would be just as dead by just as evil an organization.

367 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:48:29am

Good morning, Daddy G.

"Talked" on facebook to my friend in Visalia. Seminary was pretty somber this morning.

I have faith they will work with the kids in that stake to help them with this.

368 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:49:07am

re: #364 publicityStunted


"Puritans", in this case, being al-Qaeda/wahabist types. If they bomb Sufi mosques in Pakistan and murder Sufi Muslims, why on earth would they see a Sufi mosque in NYC as a "victory" for their point of view?

A richer target environment in the west? /

369 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:50:16am

re: #365 Stanley Sea

Good morn.

Anyone see this CNN fail?

Image: HdRvX.jpg

WIshful thinking?

370 captdiggs  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:51:02am

re: #362 Lidane

Do you seriously think that AQ and the numerous other sub Islamist groups in the middle east and SW asia are debating the fine points about what kind of mosque, how close to ground zero, is it sufi, sunni, shia, Rauf's previous interviews, etc.?
They're not, and I seriously doubt that most of them even know Rauf's name.

371 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:51:32am

re: #367 EmmmieG

Good morning, Daddy G.

"Talked" on facebook to my friend in Visalia. Seminary was pretty somber this morning.

I have faith they will work with the kids in that stake to help them with this.

Oh wow. wow. I didn't hear the news and just googled Vasalia LDS. How tragic!

The shooter wasn't LDS- I wonder why he picked the Bishop as a target? Of course muderous rage and insanity don't need reasons.

Left behind a wife and 6 children. wow.

372 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:51:46am

re: #358 captdiggs

You think Wahabbists don't 'nitpick' over religious differences?

Wow.

373 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:52:02am

re: #363 DaddyG

Believe it or not there was a bit of excitement over his national presence when he first came to prominance. Now our internal political discussions (which tend to take place in the halls and not Sunday school) are about as mixed as the general population.

Every Ward (geographically defined congregation) has a few Cleon Skousen or Birch Society fans (cranks?) but they are not mainstream. The ideas that flourished during the cold war are not central to our social views today. I believe that this is due in part to our continued influx of converts from all parts of society and the world.

I personally cringe a bit when the LDS Church uses celebrities to spread our message. You never know what is going to happen to their public image and living by celebrity can also mean dying by celebrity.

Some of the stuff Glenn Beck has been promoting recently is in fact opposed to our beliefs that all men should be able to worship according to the dictates of their conscience. His declarations that he is receiving inspiration are correct in as far as all men are able to receive inspiration from God, but our belief is that we receive revelation for our selves and those we have a stewardship over (family, church callings). He is bordering on being a self proclaimed prophet to declare that his teachings apply to the entire country. That is potentially opposed to our doctrines on revelation and I worry about that.

You just describe precisely what I have been noticing about Beck's "preachy" rhetoric, much more evangelical Christian than anything, especially in the "prophet" mode that he has been sliding in and out of.

He really has become self-proclaimed, in many areas, both as prophet, teacher, preacher and steward.

You say "I personally cringe a bit when the LDS Church uses celebrities to spread our message."

Are you suggesting he is doing this with the "blessing" of the church?

374 jaunte  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:52:21am

re: #360 ralphieboy

If you share the Islamist viewpoint that the War on Terror is a struggle between Islam and Christianity, then a building a mosque in lower Manhattan is a moral victory.

If you see the WOT as a struggle between enlightenment and fundamentalism, then forbidding a mosque there is a defeat.

Quoted for emphasis. Our support of enlightenment values is what makes us most dangerous to fundamentalist bullies.

375 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:52:54am

re: #365 Stanley Sea

Good morn.

Anyone see this CNN fail?

Image: HdRvX.jpg


Wasn't it obvious he was the one without lipstick? Duh. /

376 captdiggs  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:53:02am

re: #372 Obdicut

I don't think they are following the same details about all this that you are.

377 Lidane  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:53:13am

re: #370 captdiggs

Yes. That's the whole point for groups like AQ. It matters what kind of Islam is being taught. If it didn't matter to them, they wouldn't be blowing people up or flying planes into buildings.

Park51 would be just another target for them. It's Sufi and it's in America and it's not teaching what they believe. They'd blow it up just as easily as they would anything else.

378 ShaunP  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:53:29am

re: #370 captdiggs

Do you seriously think that AQ and the numerous other sub Islamist groups in the middle east and SW asia are debating the fine points about what kind of mosque, how close to ground zero, is it sufi, sunni, shia, Rauf's previous interviews, etc.?
They're not, and I seriously doubt that most of them even know Rauf's name.

Yikes.

The battle between sunni/shiite muslims is far older and more ingrained than the radical's fight with the US. It's ignorant to suggest that people that belong to the religion wouldn't know the difference...

379 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:54:15am

re: #376 captdiggs

I don't think they are following the same details about all this that you are.

They kill Sufi muslims for being Sufi.

So what makes you think they'd celebrate a Sufi community center with an Imam who supports Israel?

Try an answer that doesn't involve saying Al Queda doesn't really pay that much attention to religious differences, because that's pathetic.

380 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:54:21am

dKos has a good FP story/diary explaining some of the math around crowd counting for the Beck rally.

Does 13 square feet per person sound like a lot of space? (that's actually only 43x43 inches...)
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

381 captdiggs  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:54:50am

re: #378 ShaunP

It's ignorant to suggest that people that belong to the religion wouldn't know the difference.

That's not what I said.

382 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:54:53am

re: #372 Obdicut

You think Wahabbists don't 'nitpick' over religious differences?

Wow.

The Taliban seems to like the idea.

383 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:55:09am

re: #382 Jeff In Ohio

Linky
[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

384 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:55:41am

re: #374 jaunte

Quoted for emphasis. Our support of enlightenment values is what makes us most dangerous to fundamentalist bullies.

Gosh, and I thought they just hated our freedoms...

385 captdiggs  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:56:30am

re: #379 Obdicut

This is becoming a circular argument.
If you want to belive that these folks are standing around reading the NY Time on their iphones...be my guest

386 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:56:40am

re: #382 Jeff In Ohio

The Taliban seems to like the idea.

Yep. They love seeing moderate Muslims vilified and ostracized. What better recruiting tool for extremists?

387 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:56:42am

re: #373 Walter L. Newton

You say "I personally cringe a bit when the LDS Church uses celebrities to spread our message."

Are you suggesting he is doing this with the "blessing" of the church?

No -the Church leadership does not endorse celebrities. I was thinking more of the times they have used celebrities in public relations clips (Steve Young, Gladys Knight...) and the tendency of rank and file Mormons to aggrandize those who have made it big in main stream media. Our best and most noble souls are not necessarily the best known among us. Of course why should I think we would be immune to being starstruck?

388 elbruce  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:57:00am

re: #366 wlewisiii

I can't help but wonder, had the twin towers been brought down in an IRA terrorist attack, would we be seeing the same level of hyperventilation over the construction of a new parish church in that neighborhood? Somehow I doubt it, never mind that the same number would be just as dead by just as evil an organization.

As a point of fact, there are two Catholic churches overlooking the northeast corner of the WTC site. Nobody would have cared.

389 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:57:02am

re: #371 DaddyG

Oh wow. wow. I didn't hear the news and just googled Vasalia LDS. How tragic!

The shooter wasn't LDS- I wonder why he picked the Bishop as a target? Of course muderous rage and insanity don't need reasons.

Left behind a wife and 6 children. wow.

I first heard about it from my friend. Apprently, he just wantd to shoot the leader of the church, and locally, that's the bishop.

Small blessing--it was at 12:30, between wards, and most likely there were no children in the building at the time. Well, hopefully.

390 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:57:17am

re: #385 captdiggs

You don't think that they know that the Imam is a Sufi? Is that actually your position?

391 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:57:40am

re: #380 darthstar

dKos has a good FP story/diary explaining some of the math around crowd counting for the Beck rally.

Does 13 square feet per person sound like a lot of space? (that's actually only 43x43 inches...)
[Link: www.dailykos.com...]

13 square feet is pretty generous, but by no means unreasonable. Particularly if there's a measured area which the crowd is supposed to fill - people expand to fill space, as a general rule.

392 captdiggs  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:58:38am

re: #390 Obdicut

You don't think that they know that the Imam is a Sufi? Is that actually your position?

I actually don't think most even know his name.

393 laZardo  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:58:39am

And now for news that is too sad to make up.

AUGUST 23--The Department of Justice is seeking to hire linguists fluent in Ebonics to help monitor, translate, and transcribe the secretly recorded conversations of subjects of narcotics investigations, according to federal records.

A maximum of nine Ebonics experts will work with the Drug Enforcement Administration’s Atlanta field division, where the linguists, after obtaining a “DEA Sensitive” security clearance, will help investigators decipher the results of “telephonic monitoring of court ordered nonconsensual intercepts, consensual listening devices, and other media”

The DEA’s need for full-time linguists specializing in Ebonics is detailed in bid documents related to the agency’s mid-May issuance of a request for proposal (RFP) covering the provision of as many as 2100 linguists for the drug agency’s various field offices. Answers to the proposal were due from contractors on July 29.

/sourced from my gun-enthusiast little brother's Twitter.

394 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:58:48am

re: #386 Obdicut

Yep. They love seeing moderate Muslims vilified and ostracized. What better recruiting tool for extremists?

How this is even debatable eludes me.

395 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:59:35am

re: #392 captdiggs

I actually don't think most even know his name.

That's an entirely different question. Do you seriously think they don't know he's a Sufi?

396 Lidane  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:59:52am

re: #390 Obdicut

You don't think that they know that the Imam is a Sufi? Is that actually your position?

He's suggesting that for AQ, Islam is Islam, so it doesn't matter if it's a Sufi mosque, or a Wahhabist one, or a Shia one. They'd consider Park51 a win no matter what just because it's Islamic.

Quite frankly, suggesting that AQ treats all Islam equally and that they'd be okay with a Sufi mosque is ridiculous. They see Sufis as blasphemers. Why in the hell would they support Park51?

397 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:00:15am

re: #387 DaddyG

No -the Church leadership does not endorse celebrities. I was thinking more of the times they have used celebrities in public relations clips (Steve Young, Gladys Knight...) and the tendency of rank and file Mormons to aggrandize those who have made it big in main stream media. Our best and most noble souls are not necessarily the best known among us. Of course why should I think we would be immune to being starstruck?

I understand... I was just wondering at what point Beck is going to get some personal counseling from an Elder in his ward. I have long time Mormons in my family, and I know enough of the working of the church to realize that Beck is close to overstepping here.

398 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:00:31am

re: #393 laZardo

[Link: www.anvari.org...]

399 elbruce  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:00:45am

re: #392 captdiggs

I actually don't think most even know his name.

Based on what, exactly? I'd keep it limited to the first four words there. See the link posted in #383 by Jeff In Ohio.

400 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:00:52am

re: #370 captdiggs

Respectfully, I don't think you know shit about Islam.

401 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:02:46am

re: #370 captdiggs

Do you seriously think that AQ and the numerous other sub Islamist groups in the middle east and SW asia are debating the fine points about what kind of mosque, how close to ground zero, is it sufi, sunni, shia, Rauf's previous interviews, etc.?
They're not, and I seriously doubt that most of them even know Rauf's name.

You overlook the fact thqat Al Qaida has killed more Muslims than it has Infidels.

402 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:03:45am

re: #399 elbruce

Based on what, exactly? I'd keep it limited to the first four words there. See the link posted in #383 by Jeff In Ohio.

Doesn't really matter if they knos his name or if the center is founded is Sufi, Shia or Corn Flakes. People who need fodder to stroke religious extremism will use the fact that Americans are vilifying Muslims as the tool for recruitment.

403 laZardo  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:04:20am

re: #398 ralphieboy

[Link: www.anvari.org...]

I can't unhear all that in Mel Brooks' voice.

I'm sorry.

404 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:06:52am

re: #397 Walter L. Newton

I understand... I was just wondering at what point Beck is going to get some personal counseling from an Elder in his ward. I have long time Mormons in my family, and I know enough of the working of the church to realize that Beck is close to overstepping here.

He may have already overstepped and been called on it. He is very adept in walking right up to the line and not quite crossing it. Any counselling in the church is going to be confidential unless he openly and knowingly opposed basic church doctrine and refused leaderships calls to stop. The LDS church does not typically take political stands. (Proposition 8 being a recent exception and a surprising one to me outside of defining marriage as a moral issue).

I was particularly disappointed in Beck, Romney and Reid (all politically prominent and public Mormons) for ditching on the New York Muslims given our own religious pioneers were driven from state to state for their peculiar beliefs and rumors of their dangerous ways.

405 captdiggs  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:07:37am

re: #400 Varek Raith

Respectfully, I don't think you know shit about Islam.

Respectfully...I have read the Koran and have various college level courses under my belt on Islamic culture as well as a close relative who I see often is a Phd in Islamic culture and we have many discussions.
In addition I have spent item in Islamic countries, a number of them.
My experiences include surviving a suicide truck bombing. Sheer luck.

So, what you "think" matters little to me.

406 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:08:23am

re: #398 ralphieboy

[Link: www.anvari.org...]


I've given thought to writing a Bubbonics dictionary that translates common redneck utterances into english. But Jeff Foxworthy beat me to it.

407 cliffster  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:09:20am

re: #406 DaddyG

you ain't just whistlin' dixie

408 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:10:23am

re: #404 DaddyG

He may have already overstepped and been called on it. He is very adept in walking right up to the line and not quite crossing it. Any counselling in the church is going to be confidential unless he openly and knowingly opposed basic church doctrine and refused leaderships calls to stop. The LDS church does not typically take political stands. (Proposition 8 being a recent exception and a surprising one to me outside of defining marriage as a moral issue).

I was particularly disappointed in Beck, Romney and Reid (all politically prominent and public Mormons) for ditching on the New York Muslims given our own religious pioneers were driven from state to state for their peculiar beliefs and rumors of their dangerous ways.

We agree.

409 elbruce  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:10:37am

re: #405 captdiggs

Respectfully...I have read the Koran and have various college level courses under my belt on Islamic culture as well as a close relative who I see often is a Phd in Islamic culture and we have many discussions.
In addition I have spent item in Islamic countries, a number of them.
My experiences include surviving a suicide truck bombing. Sheer luck.

And yet you say you "think" that different theological branches of Islam play no part in their opinion of the Park51 site, and that they're uninformed of the issues involved in it? Don't think so. Color me skeptical of your claims of personal special knowledge.

410 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:11:10am

re: #404 DaddyG

He may have already overstepped and been called on it. He is very adept in walking right up to the line and not quite crossing it. Any counselling in the church is going to be confidential unless he openly and knowingly opposed basic church doctrine and refused leaderships calls to stop. The LDS church does not typically take political stands. (Proposition 8 being a recent exception and a surprising one to me outside of defining marriage as a moral issue).

I was particularly disappointed in Beck, Romney and Reid (all politically prominent and public Mormons) for ditching on the New York Muslims given our own religious pioneers were driven from state to state for their peculiar beliefs and rumors of their dangerous ways.

I think the "offiicial" church stance can be found more in the partnership between the church and the Islamic Aid group.

411 lawhawk  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:11:18am

re: #380 darthstar

From that article:

To recap:

* CBS low-end (78k): 13 sq. ft. per person
* CBS high-end (96k): 10 sq. ft. per person
* Beck low-end (300k): 3.3 sq. ft. per person
* Beck high-end (600k): 1.7 sq. ft. per person

What would those numbers mean in real life? Let's look at it a couple of different ways. First, let's assume each person was was in standing in the middle of a perfect square and that nobody else was inside of their square. What would the dimensions be of each person's square?

* CBS low-end (78k): 43 inches by 43 inches
* CBS high-end (96k): 38 inches by 38 inches
* Beck low-end (300k): 22 inches by 22 inches
* Beck high-end (600k): 16 inches by 16 inches

A NYC subway at maximum capacity figured by the MTA assumes a 2sf per person. You can get about 240 people in a typical subway car (seated and standing). Some people closest to the podium appear closer together, but those furthest away were more sparsely assembled. An average? Probably somewhere between the Beck and CBS figures.

412 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:12:37am

re: #391 thedopefishlives

13 square feet is pretty generous, but by no means unreasonable. Particularly if there's a measured area which the crowd is supposed to fill - people expand to fill space, as a general rule.

Yep, and an easy way to observe that behavior (filling in space) is by simply stepping into an elevator. (though people also tend to "balance" the elevator by moving into the void left by departing passengers at a given floor - a fun experiment is to move with the person going into the void, leaving a void back where you both stood before)

413 captdiggs  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:16:45am

re: #409 elbruce

You view is shaped by your immersion in the media here.
I will remind you that despite the fact that wahabbist Islam view sufism with either skepticism or stronger feelings of heresy, that does not stop Rauf from visting Saudi Arabia nor getting Saudi support, moral or otherwise, for the project.
Assuming that some things do not override traditional inter-muslim animosities is a huge mistake.
I have encountered people who don't believe that Hamas has the support of Iran because of the sunni-shia schism.

414 elbruce  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:17:41am
415 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:19:12am

re: #410 EmmmieG

I think the "offiicial" church stance can be found more in the partnership between the church and the Islamic Aid group.


Ya know all them poligymasts stick together don't ya? /

416 Four More Tears  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:19:14am

re: #414 elbruce

Facebook results for 'mosk.'

*snickers*

417 laZardo  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:20:19am

re: #414 elbruce

Facebook results for 'mosk.'

Of course! This is all a conspiracy from Mosk-ow!

/hurr durr

418 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:20:54am

re: #415 DaddyG

Ya know all them poligymasts stick together don't ya? /

Then they should try making their strawberry freezer jam in different kitchens.

419 cliffster  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:21:03am

re: #412 darthstar

Yep, and an easy way to observe that behavior (filling in space) is by simply stepping into an elevator. (though people also tend to "balance" the elevator by moving into the void left by departing passengers at a given floor - a fun experiment is to move with the person going into the void, leaving a void back where you both stood before)

are crowds subject to the gas laws? Vp/T = k?

420 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:23:02am

re: #414 elbruce

Facebook has given humanity an endless chance to publicly look like fools.

My daughter was explaining to me what a duckbill was the other day.

421 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:23:52am

re: #413 captdiggs

You view is shaped by your immersion in the media here.
I will remind you that despite the fact that wahabbist Islam view sufism with either skepticism or stronger feelings of heresy, that does not stop Rauf from visting Saudi Arabia nor getting Saudi support, moral or otherwise, for the project.
Assuming that some things do not override traditional inter-muslim animosities is a huge mistake.
I have encountered people who don't believe that Hamas has the support of Iran because of the sunni-shia schism.

I've found more poeple I've discussed the issue with have been influenced by immersion in media that refers to "ground zero mosque" than have been influenced by any clue that Islam is broken into several sects with diverse beliefs.

Islam is not monolithic, even in its views of the west.

I still think promoting American Muslims right to worship as they see fit would have been a win/win for America against those who would mix religion and governance (Christian and Muslim) then fight over who gets to be supreme.

422 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:24:51am

re: #411 lawhawk

Why do you think the figures from the three independent experts aren't accurate?

423 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:24:57am

re: #419 cliffster

are crowds subject to the gas laws? Vp/T = k?

Actually, you may laugh at this, but people who design high-traffic spaces generally treat crowds of people as a fluid. Traffic engineers do the same thing with cars. People pressure is a very real and very fascinating phenomenon.

424 elbruce  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:26:00am

re: #413 captdiggs

You view is shaped by your immersion in the media here.

Not really. I recognize that there may be some "chips is down" situations where the fact that Al Qaeda and the Cordoba Initiative are both Muslims would count for more than anything else. But they're trying to pull Islam in diametrically opposed directions, and therefore would oppose one another's aims. Now, AQ would never attack the mosque - it's still a mosque. But they can't view it as a "victory" for "their side" given the purposes (interfaith, education) to which it will be put.

425 elbruce  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:27:31am

re: #411 lawhawk

An average? Probably somewhere between the Beck and CBS figures.

I'm going to throw in the number 60 ft. per person, straight outta nowhere. Do you have to chuck that into your average now too?

426 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:28:47am

re: #424 elbruce


Al Queda has attacked mosques.

427 cliffster  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:29:20am

re: #423 thedopefishlives

Actually, you may laugh at this, but people who design high-traffic spaces generally treat crowds of people as a fluid. Traffic engineers do the same thing with cars. People pressure is a very real and very fascinating phenomenon.

haha, I've heard traffic flow used to describe fluid dynamics, but I didn't know the analogy was pure enough to do the opposite...

428 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:29:25am

re: #426 Obdicut

Al Queda has attacked mosques.

UNPOSSIBLE

429 cliffster  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:30:16am

re: #428 Varek Raith

inconceivable!

430 Lidane  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:31:20am

re: #429 cliffster

inconceivable!

I'm trying desperately not to laugh at that. I'm currently in class and my professor looks a lot like The Sicilian from the Princess Bride. XD

431 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:31:24am

re: #427 cliffster

haha, I've heard traffic flow used to describe fluid dynamics, but I didn't know the analogy was pure enough to do the opposite...

There's a whole area of study of battlefield dynamics that treats it as mainly a problem of crowd dynamics, which also use the fluid dynamic equations. It helps explain stuff like Agincourt, where the French compressed themselves into a small space and started falling down and dying even without the aid of English arrows.

432 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:31:49am

re: #420 EmmmieG

Which, I should probably explain, is that face umpteen gazillion teenage girls make in their profile picture.

3/4 profile, probalby a hat, lips pouted out ridiculously, making the little "V" symbol with their fingers.

The first one got away with it.

433 laZardo  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:31:55am

Gonna try to head to bed. Nighty.

434 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:32:36am

re: #427 cliffster

haha, I've heard traffic flow used to describe fluid dynamics, but I didn't know the analogy was pure enough to do the opposite...

Observe a little bit the next time you're stuck in traffic. The patterns of motion starting and stopping are remarkably similar to back pressure waves from opening and closing a water valve. That asshole who drives on the shoulder, by analogy, must be a leak in the pipe. ;)

435 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:32:42am

re: #430 Lidane

I'm trying desperately not to laugh at that. I'm currently in class and my professor looks a lot like The Sicilian from the Princess Bride. XD

Quick!
Make Lidane LOL.
:)

436 (I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was)  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:33:37am

Have been meaning to embed these for quite a while:

Special AKA - Racist Friend:

Tocotronic version:

437 prairiefire  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:33:40am

re: #432 EmmmieG

Which, I should probably explain, is that face umpteen gazillion teenage girls make in their profile picture.

3/4 profile, probalby a hat, lips pouted out ridiculously, making the little "V" symbol with their fingers.

The first one got away with it.

My daughter's first facebook profile was an anime girl holding a large revolver. I was so upset I was shaking. She was told never, ever, never again.

438 ShaunP  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:35:49am

re: #435 Varek Raith

Quick!
Make Lidane LOL.
:)


Image: funny-gif1.jpg

439 Bear  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:35:58am

Two Officers killed in Hoonah, an Alaska Tlingit Village.

[Link: www.adn.com...]

440 cliffster  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:36:27am

re: #431 Obdicut

so what's the study of thousands of dudes marching across an open field while guerrilla fighters jump out and fire at them? fishinabarrelology?

441 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:38:22am

re: #437 prairiefire

My daughter's first facebook profile was an anime girl holding a large revolver. I was so upset I was shaking. She was told never, ever, never again.

I think my daughter currently uses her own photography (of something else) as her profile. It was a compromise with her dad over safety issues.

442 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:39:04am

re: #440 cliffster

I think it's called FailureToAdaptology.

There's also LetsAttackMoscowInTheWinterAgainology, also known as ShitTheresNoFoodTheTownsAreOnFireAndMyUrineFrozeInMyUrethraology.

443 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:39:56am

re: #442 Obdicut

I think it's called FailureToAdaptology.

There's also LetsAttackMoscowInTheWinterAgainology, also known as ShitTheresNoFoodTheTownsAreOnFireAndMyUrineFrozeIn MyUrethraology.

AKA, SNAFU.

444 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:40:18am

re: #442 Obdicut

"andmyurinefrozeinmyurethraology"...Heh.

445 Douchecanoe and Ryan Too  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:40:54am

re: #442 Obdicut

Something akin to "NeverStartALandWarInAsiaology"?

446 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:44:02am

re: #445 thedopefishlives

Something akin to "NeverStartALandWarInAsiaology"?

I have a six foot four, two hundred forty pound Chinese/Jewish friend who's an expert in Krav Maga. My nickname for him is "The Land War In Asia" and "The Most Improbable Badass".

447 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:44:27am

re: #446 Obdicut

I have a six foot four, two hundred forty pound Chinese/Jewish friend who's an expert in Krav Maga. My nickname for him is "The Land War In Asia" and "The Most Improbable Badass".

LOL

448 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:45:59am

re: #445 thedopefishlives

Something akin to "NeverStartALandWarInAsiaology"?

Though there's also the subdiscipline of We'reMongolsWeLikeWinterJustFineThanksology, which explains the only group of people to both conquer (most of) China and Russia.

449 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:46:04am

re: #441 EmmmieG

I think my daughter currently uses her own photography (of something else) as her profile. It was a compromise with her dad over safety issues.

I have two Facebook rules. Over 14 and Dad is your first friend. I've had very little trouble and their friends have even been careful not to be too "revealing".

We did have a bad scene a few months back when a "friend" of my daughter took a clandestie underwear phone picture of her during a slumber party then used the picture to "sext" boys. When one of the boys tried to contact my daughter on Facebook she immediately figured out what had happened and put the record straight. To his credit the boy sent her the picture and texts as evidence and deleted his copy.

In this case she did almost everything right (except get caught in her relatively modest underwear at the party). The "friend" is no longer.

450 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:48:10am

Sure enough the Drudge report is trying to pimp up the Obama on the bicycle photo for the wingnuts. This time he's playing it alongside a "macho" photo of Putin. I'd love to see these wingnuts live under the iron fist of Putin.

451 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:48:37am

re: #450 Gus 802

Sure enough the Drudge report is trying to pimp up the Obama on the bicycle photo for the wingnuts. This time he's playing it alongside a "macho" photo of Putin. I'd love to see these wingnuts live under the iron fist of Putin.

Or the moonbats.

452 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:49:14am

re: #449 DaddyG

I have two Facebook rules. Over 14 and Dad is your first friend. I've had very little trouble and their friends have even been careful not to be too "revealing".

We did have a bad scene a few months back when a "friend" of my daughter took a clandestie underwear phone picture of her during a slumber party then used the picture to "sext" boys. When one of the boys tried to contact my daughter on Facebook she immediately figured out what had happened and put the record straight. To his credit the boy sent her the picture and texts as evidence and deleted his copy.

In this case she did almost everything right (except get caught in her relatively modest underwear at the party). The "friend" is no longer.

One of our rules is: Mom & Dad know your passwords. Always.

You want privacy, you can have it on your own computer, which you bought with your own money, and sits in your own house, which you bought with money from your job.

453 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:49:25am

re: #451 Walter L. Newton

Or the moonbats.

Yes. But I'm talking about a different context here. Drudge. Wingnuts. Obama on the bicycle. Etc.

454 elbruce  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:50:50am

But we must not forget all of the pro-Putin, anti-Obama moonbats. Not being fair and balanced if you leave them out... //

455 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:51:10am

re: #450 Gus 802

Sure enough the Drudge report is trying to pimp up the Obama on the bicycle photo for the wingnuts. This time he's playing it alongside a "macho" photo of Putin. I'd love to see these wingnuts live under the iron fist of Putin.

Just remember his name may be spelled P-u-t-i-n but it's pronounced Stalin.

456 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:52:05am

re: #450 Gus 802

Sure enough the Drudge report is trying to pimp up the Obama on the bicycle photo for the wingnuts. This time he's playing it alongside a "macho" photo of Putin. I'd love to see these wingnuts live under the iron fist of Putin.

Drudge is 20 years away from being the next Ken Mehlman....he loves him some of Putin's pecs.

457 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:53:35am

re: #456 darthstar

Drudge is 20 years away from being the next Ken Mehlman...he loves him some of Putin's pecs.

I thought about that. Was tempted to get a pic of Putin and using the white paint brush over it like Perez Hilton. I'm sure that's what ol' Matt is thinking.

458 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:56:52am

re: #457 Gus 802

I thought about that. Was tempted to get a pic of Putin and using the white paint brush over it like Perez Hilton. I'm sure that's what ol' Matt is thinking.

What I find hilarious, and a little frightening, is the about-face the Republicans are taking toward Putin, who has proved himself to be less than pro-American. Back when Bush was president(after the "I looked into his soul" bullshit), Putin was actually seen by many as an adversary more than an ally...now he's heroic to them?

459 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:57:37am

re: #456 darthstar

Drudge is 20 years away from being the next Ken Mehlman...he loves him some of Putin's pecs.

[Link: t1.gstatic.com...]

460 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:58:39am

re: #389 EmmmieG

I first heard about it from my friend. Apprently, he just wantd to shoot the leader of the church, and locally, that's the bishop.

Small blessing--it was at 12:30, between wards, and most likely there were no children in the building at the time. Well, hopefully.

No motive in the shooting. It doesn't look like one will be forthcoming. The shooter committed suicide by cop. He phoned in his location and started a shootout with police.

The guy was obviously disturbed. Why he chose the local LDS ward is anyones guess.

461 elbruce  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:59:46am

re: #456 darthstar

Drudge is 20 years away from being the next Ken Mehlman...he loves him some of Putin's pecs.

Image: 129187884081897326.jpg

462 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:00:33am

re: #458 darthstar

What I find hilarious, and a little frightening, is the about-face the Republicans are taking toward Putin, who has proved himself to be less than pro-American. Back when Bush was president(after the "I looked into his soul" bullshit), Putin was actually seen by many as an adversary more than an ally...now he's heroic to them?

It's his machismo, militarism, and hard line on Chechnya. Mostly though I think he plays into their Rambo fantasies about what an American president should look like. Many will say this is not true but I have seen plenty of people on the American far-right fawning over Putin. This even went alongside their referencing of Pravda during 2009.

463 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:01:32am

re: #459 Varek Raith

re: #461 elbruce

I don't know...Putin looks kind of sleazy to me.

464 elbruce  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:02:17am

re: #462 Gus 802

I think he plays into their Rambo fantasies about what an American president should look like.


Right, a near-absolute dictator who has people murdered at will. Whenever the left points this out they cry and moan about being maligned, though.

465 elbruce  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:03:40am

re: #463 darthstar

re: #461 elbruce

I don't know...Putin looks kind of sleazy to me.

You make Putin sad...

Image: putinsad.jpg

466 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:03:50am

re: #463 darthstar

re: #461 elbruce

I don't know...Putin looks kind of sleazy to me.

You're just jealous.
/

467 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:05:14am

re: #466 Varek Raith

You're just jealous.
/

Clearly he at least passes the Ed Morrissey Alpha Male Test™.

468 tradewind  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:05:21am

re: #422 Obdicut
Probably from first-hand experience with ' expert witnesses '.
You get what you pay for.

469 cliffster  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:07:23am

re: #462 Gus 802

have we ever had a president that looked like that? Taft?

470 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:09:26am

re: #469 cliffster

have we ever had a president that looked like that? Taft?

Don't know.

471 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:10:04am

re: #468 tradewind

Probably from first-hand experience with ' expert witnesses '.
You get what you pay for.

I'll take the scientific analysis of 3 independent experts over... well, the other side's done nothing but pull numbers out of their asses.

472 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:10:38am

Putin spelled backwards reads mafia.

/

473 DaddyG  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:12:38am

re: #472 Gus 802

Putin spelled backwards reads mafia.

/

Putin has the same letters as Pinut. Its a Jimmy Carter conspiracy! /

474 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:14:25am

re: #465 elbruce

You make Putin sad...

Image: putinsad.jpg

Pouty-Poot!

475 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:16:22am

More crass elitism from the professional political class...

Rep. Eddie Bernice Johnson violated rules, steered scholarships to relatives

Longtime Dallas congresswoman Eddie Bernice Johnson has awarded thousands of dollars in college scholarships to four relatives and a top aide's two children since 2005, using foundation funds set aside for black lawmakers' causes.

[Link: www.dallasnews.com...]

I'm really getting sick of politicians, the whole spectrum of them.

476 tradewind  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:22:45am

re: #475 Walter L. Newton
Not Eddie Bernice!
The Black Caucus was already upset. I don't think they're going to take a third investigation of an African American democrat lying down.
Who's the chair of the House ethics committee, anyway? Could be a double agent.

477 allegro  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:24:42am

re: #461 elbruce

Whoa. He's actually pretty hot in a James Bond bad guy kinda way.

478 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:18:49am

Putin worked for the KGB, which used to be the Arch Enemy of Freedom until Reagan won the Cold War and AQ stepped in to take its place.

479 elbruce  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:27:09am

re: #478 ralphieboy

Putin worked for the KGB, which used to be the Arch Enemy of Freedom until Reagan won the Cold War and AQ stepped in to take its place.

Sounds like a good right-wing description. Is it just me, or does the way that wingnuts think of geopolitical events remind anybody else of a four-color comic book?

480 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:42:51am

re: #479 elbruce

Sounds like a good right-wing description. Is it just me, or does the way that wingnuts think of geopolitical events remind anybody else of a four-color comic book?


No, they remind one of the Hollywood film adaption of a four-color comic book. Comic books themselves are too intellectually advanced for them.

481 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:53:12am

re: #270 iceweasel

Please. Now you get a downding for the original.

BTW, Where did I use the word happy? Didn't happen. Yep, I'm glad she's gone, I fully support Charles's decision. Too bad for you.

So you're glad but not happy.
Do you really think you fool anyone with that garbage?

482 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:00:46pm

re: #273 Obdicut

I do feel it's unwise for Lawhawk to post stories that are obvious dirt-digging on Rauf. How you translate that into an accusation of promoting bigotry I don't know. Dirt-digging isn't bigotry. It's typical sensationalist yellow journalism.

It'll make some bigots happy, sure, to see Rauf being castigated as a bad landlord. That doesn't mean everyone talking about the story is a bigot, or promoting bigotry.

There seems to be this odd disconnect where people think the statement "There are no non-bigoted reasons to object to the community center" equates to "every single person not supporting the building 100% is a bigot".

Why not just apologize to lawhawk for the putrid accusation you levelled at him for reporting relevant facts.

483 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:03:01pm

re: #482 Spare O'Lake

Why not just apologize to lawhawk for the putrid accusation you levelled at him for reporting relevant facts.

I stand by everything I said, completely and utterly.

484 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:08:17pm

re: #483 Obdicut

That's nice.

485 Ziggy Standard  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:45:44pm

re: #481 Spare O'Lake

So you're glad but not happy.
Do you really think you fool anyone with that garbage?

Check out the bottom ten every day, Spare. Guess what? It's you who is fooling no one with your garbage.

486 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 12:55:54pm

re: #481 Spare O'Lake

So you're glad but not happy.
Do you really think you fool anyone with that garbage?

On the contrary, my butthurt friend-- I am glad Mandy was banned, for all the reasons I gave: primarily that she was awful, horrible, for the site. How many more times would you like me to say that? ;)

I am also happy--at being reunited with Jimmah, with my life in general, and being a newlywed. Ecstatically happy. See, I reserve emotions like 'happiness' for events taking place in my real life with people I actually know.

Which is why literally nothing you can say, or anyone, can ever succeed in making me unhappy-- or make me seethe with rage the way you obviously are.

How about logging off and reminding yourself about priorities, Spare?
Try it. Who knows, you might be happy yourself someday.

See ya!

487 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:00:27pm

re: #486 iceweasel

On the contrary, my butthurt friend-- I am glad Mandy was banned, for all the reasons I gave: primarily that she was awful, horrible, for the site. How many more times would you like me to say that? ;)

I am also happy--at being reunited with Jimmah, with my life in general, and being a newlywed. Ecstatically happy. See, I reserve emotions like 'happiness' for events taking place in my real life with people I actually know.

Which is why literally nothing you can say, or anyone, can ever succeed in making me unhappy-- or make me seethe with rage the way you obviously are.

How about logging off and reminding yourself about priorities, Spare?
Try it. Who knows, you might be happy yourself someday.

See ya!

Hey Ice, how are you doing?

I see you felt like slapping SOL up side of the head. Sometimes it's necessary.

488 BARACK THE VOTE  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:03:05pm

re: #487 b_sharp

Hey Ice, how are you doing?

I see you felt like slapping SOL up side of the head. Sometimes it's necessary.

hey b sharp! What's up? How have you been? I'm painting furniture and we're about to order in some Indian food for dinner. :)

489 b_sharp  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 1:13:37pm

re: #488 iceweasel

hey b sharp! What's up? How have you been? I'm painting furniture and we're about to order in some Indian food for dinner. :)

I'm sitting at home, supposed to be doing my weekly paper work, but instead I'm giving in to my latest addiction, LGF.

This place has been a mess lately, but that makes it all the more interesting. I just wish my 'won't' was stronger so I could resist spending so much time here.

490 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:44:04pm

re: #458 darthstar

What I find hilarious, and a little frightening, is the about-face the Republicans are taking toward Putin, who has proved himself to be less than pro-American. Back when Bush was president(after the "I looked into his soul" bullshit), Putin was actually seen by many as an adversary more than an ally...now he's heroic to them?

Sure. He's still slaughtering Muslims in Chechnya, he fits into the whole White Race Struggling Against the Asian Hordes Crap, he has Iron Fist...what the hell is there for a bunch of fledgling middle-class fascists who will never actually have to live in his god-awful country not to like?

491 ClaudeMonet  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:16:00pm

re: #128 Obdicut

Que?

I don't think shooting people for hate crimes is going to get us where we need to be.

Perhaps, but killing one leaves one less a**hole hater in the world. It's a sure thing vs. a dream.

492 ClaudeMonet  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:19:27pm

re: #146 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Oh. I'm kind of bummed.

State motto of Oklahoma?: Like the play, only no singing.

The lyrics to the state song should be--

Oklahoma, where the wind comes whippin' down the plain
And whippin' down the plain
And whippin' down the plain
And whippin' down the plain
And whippin' down the plain
And whippin' down the plain
And whippin' down the plain
And whippin' down the plain
And whippin' down the plain
And whippin' down the &%#$@!+^$ plain...

493 ClaudeMonet  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:21:15pm

re: #150 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I've played Curly three times.

Who won? :)

I saw that show sooooo many times when I lived in OK that I have little desire to ever see it again. I auditioned for Ali Hakim once, got another part in another show while they dithered.

494 ClaudeMonet  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:23:48pm

re: #169 Jimmah

She's still never eaten haggis. That will change soon :)

There are worse things to eat. Like lutefisk. Or the cooking of either of my grandmothers, may they rest in peace.

495 ClaudeMonet  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:29:56pm

re: #189 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

State fairs are proof that hell is full and the dead are walking the Earth.

I love state fairs, even though I haven't been to one in about ten years. Texas had the best one of those I've attended, Oklahoma's was fun (and only about three miles from my apartment in OKC), and Ohio's is like an old friend you don't see often. I am careful about what I eat at fairs, though .

The best/worst part is the ladies in their stretch pants.

496 ClaudeMonet  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:03:58pm

re: #253 Obdicut

I'll have some fun as soon as I can figure out what "Exempt from backup withholding" means on my W-9 form.

It means that you don't want the bank or whoever to withhold any federal tax from their payments (interest, dividends, non-employee compensation) to you.

Check the box, sign the form, and send it back, unless you want them to start/continue to withhold taxes.re: #334 darthstar

California's state motto: "Eureka!"

(when you've got a cool state motto, you don't have to joke about it)

Ohio's state motto is, "With God, All Things Are Possible". It doesn't say anything as to whether those possible things are desirable, though.

re: #423 thedopefishlives

Actually, you may laugh at this, but people who design high-traffic spaces generally treat crowds of people as a fluid. Traffic engineers do the same thing with cars. People pressure is a very real and very fascinating phenomenon.

I wish traffic engineers would get it through their heads that no matter how short a time people sit at a stop light, they'll still be surprised and unable to react when it turns green. "Hello, stupid! Is that light not f***ing green enough for you?"

re: #446 Obdicut

I have a six foot four, two hundred forty pound Chinese/Jewish friend who's an expert in Krav Maga. My nickname for him is "The Land War In Asia" and "The Most Improbable Badass".

That is hysterical.


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