For Tim Blair, A Sincere Apology

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Tim Blair is a funny person! Now he’s demanding an apology from me. What will he think next?

This time he dug up an LGF post from the presidential election, in which I quoted some excerpts from Barack Obama’s autobiography about his prejudice toward white people, earlier in his life. (As with Shirley Sherrod, it’s only part of the story, because Obama has clearly moved past those prejudices.)

In Blair’s dim bulb one-liner wingnut universe, quoting Barack Obama’s own stories about his youthful attitudes toward race is exactly the same as Glenn Beck’s accusation that Obama is “a racist with a deep seated hatred of white people or white culture.” For this transgression I must beg forgiveness from the world on bended knee.

Well, I do want to apologize today for making a huge mistake.

I’d like to express my sincere and utmost regret that I voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin, instead of Barack Obama.

If I could go back in time and reverse that vote, knowing what I know today, I would.

I’m sorry, Nation.

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533 comments
1 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:28:54pm

We forgive you, Charles.

Well... I do.

That might help you sleep better.

2 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:30:13pm

I just hope we don't have to go too far back asking for forgiveness for voting "mistakes"

I'll be here a long Long LONG time with my list!!
/

3 Kragar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:30:25pm

I'm sorry...that you are stupid.

4 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:30:46pm

To repost from last thread, with one word bolded to help Blair understand how this English language thing works:


What Obama wrote about in his biography was very similar to what Sherrod related in her story, though obviously different in that he had to struggle with being mixed race.

He admits forthrightly that he was struggling with his attitudes about race, and at times definitely had an attitude that made him suspicious of white people.

Now, I'm generally unsurprised, though saddened, when a black person has suspicions of white people. Between black people actually getting fucked over, and the pervasive narrative in the black community that white people are out to fuck them over, it's generally the norm.

I'd disagree with Charles's statement that what he said represented "Shockingly racist anti-white" attitudes, as I note in that thread, a poster did as well-- and wasn't banned, please note, Stalker Blog. I do think they represented confused and bitter thoughts about race, especially as they related to his place between races.

But it isn't the same thing about calling the current Obama a racist, at all. And it isn't the same thing as saying he has a deep-seated hatred of white culture-- for one thing, it avoids using the stupid phrase 'white culture' which has no meaning to it.

I would have argued that post back in the day, had I been here. But I don't know if Blair just can't tell what tense that was written in, or hasn't read Obama's book, because Obama does indeed talk about being disillusioned with the idea of positive race relations, with his own place in the world, and with whites ever accepting him.

5 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:31:37pm

C'MON! GROUP HUG! EVERYONE!

Sattv? Put on your pants.

6 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:31:57pm

Dear Tim Blair,

I'm sorry for sticking that wingnut on top of your head.

It's much too small.

Sincerely,

Gus

/

7 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:32:29pm

re: #5 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I DON'T CARE WHO'S IT IS, THAT HAND SHOULD BE ABOVE MY WAIST.

8 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:33:10pm

re: #5 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

C'MON! GROUP HUG! EVERYONE!

Sattv? Put on your pants.


What are these 'pants" you speak of?

9 Kragar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:33:24pm

AND I NEVER LEARNED HOW TO READ!

/tear

10 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:34:50pm

re: #5 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

C'MON! GROUP HUG! EVERYONE!

Sattv? Put on your pants.

How can you group hug when all participants are in straight jackets?

11 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:35:28pm

Well, as someone who took a lot of heat here for revealing that I was going to vote for Obama, and for pointing out that Sawah Pawin is an utterly unredeemable idiot, let me just say how pleased I am to be able to say I told you so!

12 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:35:53pm

re: #10 Walter L. Newton

How can you group hug when all participants are in straight jackets?

Better not let Cato see that.

//

13 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:36:26pm
I’d like to express my sincere and utmost regret that I voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin, instead of Barack Obama.

If I could go back in time and reverse that vote, knowing what I know today, I would.

Uh, me too.

Fortunately, we were losers in that one.

14 Kragar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:36:42pm

re: #11 Cato the Elder

A well deserved "I told you so"

15 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:36:44pm

I'd also like to point out that what Blair doesn't include is what Charles bolded in the original article:

Harris-Lacewell said such expressions of distrust toward whites will not hurt Obama in the Democratic presidential primaries, which are dominated by liberal voters.

“To win the Democratic nomination, he’s got to get a part of the progressive, anti-war, white folks,” she said. “And those white folks tend to be suspicious of any black person who wouldn’t be suspicious of white people.”

That quote hurts my brain, and I think 'wow' is a good response to it.

16 joest73  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:37:17pm

These are all side issues.... people may start jumping off bridges if the economy doesn't turn around soon.

17 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:37:19pm

re: #11 Cato the Elder

Well, as someone who took a lot of heat here for revealing that I was going to vote for Obama, and for pointing out that Sawah Pawin is an utterly unredeemable idiot, let me just say how pleased I am to be able to say I told you so!

Great ,,, now, all night, all I'll hear in my head is my mom's voice saying "nobody likes an 'I told you so'"

18 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:39:16pm

re: #11 Cato the Elder

Well, as someone who took a lot of heat here for revealing that I was going to vote for Obama, and for pointing out that Sawah Pawin is an utterly unredeemable idiot, let me just say how pleased I am to be able to say I told you so!

And that Cato, is your first step to political recovery!

19 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:40:38pm

re: #16 joest73

These are all side issues... people may start jumping off bridges if the economy doesn't turn around soon.

Yeah sadly one side believes in Keynesian Economics, the other doesn't, and the one that doesn't has enough votes in the senate to filibuster any more attempts to prime the pump... and now you know the rest of the story.

20 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:40:48pm

re: #18 Walter L. Newton

And that Cato, is your first step to political recovery!

heh,, good name for a grunge band !

21 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:41:06pm

re: #17 sattv4u2

Great ,,, now, all night, all I'll hear in my head is my mom's voice saying "nobody likes an 'I told you so'"

Nobody likes an old Roman, either. Except for the grrrls who like old Romans.

22 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:41:26pm

re: #21 Cato the Elder

Nobody likes an old Roman, either. Except for the grrrls who like old Romans.


They just dig your skirts!

23 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:42:12pm

I voted for Obama, and I'll do it again.

24 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:43:55pm

re: #23 darthstar

I voted for Obama, and I'll do it again.

Unless we can find a liberal Dem.

25 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:44:42pm

When I was growing up, my parents were, well, passive racists. They didn't have any black friends, and they hadn't had a lot of exposure to other cultures. My dad was a Limbaugh fan, and before him other similar talk-radio dudes. He had said some mildly racist stuff around me.

So I grew up a little on the racist side myself. When I found myself trading baseball cards with my brother at age nine or so, he asked, "Why are you trading me Jim Rice and Roberto Clemente? They're freaking awesome."

I said, "I don't like the chocolates".

He slapped me. The one and only time my brother has hit me (outside of roughhousing.) I was totally shocked.

He said, "I know you don't know any better and you get that from mom and dad but that's wrong. Black people are just like you and me. There's no damn difference."

He took me to visit a friend of his who was black next weekend. And thus began the deconstruction of my childhood racism. I was lucky to have a brother like that. Without him, I probably would have arrived at college with my passive racism, hopefully there learning the lessons I needed to about race. Obama wasn't so lucky. He got born into a much more screwed up situation, racially, and didn't have as wise a guide as I had to help him through it.

My point? I was racist when I was a kid, too. A lot of people are. Sometimes shockingly so.

But that's the past tense.

And Beck calls Obama racist in the present tense. And he doesn't just do it once, either.

26 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:47:45pm

re: #25 Obdicut

When I was growing up, my parents were, well, passive racists. They didn't have any black friends, and they hadn't had a lot of exposure to other cultures. My dad was a Limbaugh fan, and before him other similar talk-radio dudes. He had said some mildly racist stuff around me.

So I grew up a little on the racist side myself. When I found myself trading baseball cards with my brother at age nine or so, he asked, "Why are you trading me Jim Rice and Roberto Clemente? They're freaking awesome."

I said, "I don't like the chocolates".

He slapped me. The one and only time my brother has hit me (outside of roughhousing.) I was totally shocked.

He said, "I know you don't know any better and you get that from mom and dad but that's wrong. Black people are just like you and me. There's no damn difference."

He took me to visit a friend of his who was black next weekend. And thus began the deconstruction of my childhood racism. I was lucky to have a brother like that. Without him, I probably would have arrived at college with my passive racism, hopefully there learning the lessons I needed to about race. Obama wasn't so lucky. He got born into a much more screwed up situation, racially, and didn't have as wise a guide as I had to help him through it.

My point? I was racist when I was a kid, too. A lot of people are. Sometimes shockingly so.

But that's the past tense.

And Beck calls Obama racist in the present tense. And he doesn't just do it once, either.

Funny it should be Clemente. No one did more to reduce Pittsburgh's proud tradition of pan-bigotry. He was just a very hard man to hate.

27 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:48:01pm

Could McCain have fucked up the economy any worse than Obama has?
Could McCain have dragged his ass on immigration reform any more than Obama has?

28 allegro  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:48:45pm

re: #27 Spare O'Lake

yes

29 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:48:49pm

re: #27 Spare O'Lake

Could McCain have fucked up the economy any worse than Obama has?
Could McCain have dragged his ass on immigration reform any more than Obama has?

McCain could have spent nothing at all like that five year spending freeze he suggested.

30 allegro  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:49:30pm

Love the implication that Obama is the one who fucked up the economy too.

31 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:49:33pm

re: #27 Spare O'Lake

Could McCain have fucked up the economy any worse than Obama has?


Easily.


Could McCain have dragged his ass on immigration reform any more than Obama has?

No, he could have probably chosen something insanely expensive, and totally ineffective much quicker.

32 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:49:38pm

re: #25 Obdicut

When I was growing up, my parents were, well, passive racists. They didn't have any black friends, and they hadn't had a lot of exposure to other cultures. My dad was a Limbaugh fan, and before him other similar talk-radio dudes. He had said some mildly racist stuff around me.

So I grew up a little on the racist side myself. When I found myself trading baseball cards with my brother at age nine or so, he asked, "Why are you trading me Jim Rice and Roberto Clemente? They're freaking awesome."

I said, "I don't like the chocolates".

He slapped me. The one and only time my brother has hit me (outside of roughhousing.) I was totally shocked.

He said, "I know you don't know any better and you get that from mom and dad but that's wrong. Black people are just like you and me. There's no damn difference."

He took me to visit a friend of his who was black next weekend. And thus began the deconstruction of my childhood racism. I was lucky to have a brother like that. Without him, I probably would have arrived at college with my passive racism, hopefully there learning the lessons I needed to about race. Obama wasn't so lucky. He got born into a much more screwed up situation, racially, and didn't have as wise a guide as I had to help him through it.

My point? I was racist when I was a kid, too. A lot of people are. Sometimes shockingly so.

But that's the past tense.

And Beck calls Obama racist in the present tense. And he doesn't just do it once, either.

I was born and raised in Bay Ridge Brooklyn. I didn't really know racism like you saw in the south, all I knew was which people in the neighborhood to stay away from, the ones that could hurt you, or get you in trouble.

I had a whole range of friends of different ethnic backgrounds. That was really it, friends and enemies, it wasn't black and white, white and olive, yellow and white.

I moved to Texas in 1974. Of course, I understood what racism was by 1974, and of course, saw it a little more as I grew up. But I still never saw racism quite as pronounced as I did when I went southwest.

33 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:49:57pm

Uh oh. Not the Me-262 logical fallacy again.

34 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:50:47pm

re: #24 Decatur Deb

Unless we can find a liberal Dem.

Always makes me crack up when people think he's a real leftist/liberal.

He isn't even for gay marriage.................

The nutroots wasn't totally sold on Obama - and they are still not happy, no socialist or communist in America will claim him as one of their own...............

Mind you - all this communist/marxist is coming from the same people who called FDR a commie.

35 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:51:07pm

re: #26 Decatur Deb

Funny it should be Clemente. No one did more to reduce Pittsburgh's proud tradition of pan-bigotry. He was just a very hard man to hate.

Rice was just the opposite. He was stand-offish and cold to the Boston fans.

otoh, he did have big shoes to fill. In the 25 (odd) years prior to him the Red Sox had only two regular left fielders

Ted Williams followed by Carl Yastrzemski

36 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:51:17pm

re: #27 Spare O'Lake

Could McCain have fucked up the economy any worse than Obama has?
Could McCain have dragged his ass on immigration reform any more than Obama has?

McCain was solidly for the eeevul bailouts, because he knew his contributions from Goldmine Sacks were on the line.

Bush fucked the economy for eight straight years with war and unpaid bills, at the behest of his puppetmaster, Cheney.

Could you possibly be even stupider than you seem?

37 Kragar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:51:39pm

re: #27 Spare O'Lake

Could McCain have fucked up the economy any worse than Obama has?
Could McCain have dragged his ass on immigration reform any more than Obama has?

Yes and yes, and Cariboo Barbie would have been leading the charge.

38 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:51:56pm

re: #24 Decatur Deb

Unless we can find a liberal Dem.

A liberal Democrat (a true progressive) can't get elected in this country. We have to go with the moderates like Barack Obama if we're to have any hope of turning things around...but we have to turn them around slowly (as current events illustrate - Americans tend to balk at change).

39 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:52:02pm

re: #27 Spare O'Lake

Yes, and yes.

Remember when he flew to DC to help with the meltdown, and then did absolutely nothing to help with the meltdown?

That wasn't really a good sign about McCain's future handling of the economy.

40 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:52:45pm

re: #36 Cato the Elder

No, but he could be collecting cannon fodder for the 'others' to show what an evil libbrul place this has become before the grand departure.

41 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:53:05pm

re: #39 Obdicut

Yes, and yes.

Remember when he flew to DC to help with the meltdown, and then did absolutely nothing to help with the meltdown?

That wasn't really a good sign about McCain's future handling of the economy.

"Hi. I'm John McCain. I was for it before I was against it."

(Watch as Kerry comes up next.)

42 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:53:15pm

re: #35 sattv4u2

I saw the Yaz retire. That was a great moment.

I mean, a sad moment, but a great one. The running around, touching hands.

43 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:53:27pm

and someone is back on my auto-scroll list for drinking the kool-aid..........

44 Kronocide  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:53:35pm

re: #39 Obdicut


Remember when he flew to DC to help with the meltdown, and then did absolutely nothing to help with the meltdown?

Point, Obdicut.

45 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:54:14pm

re: #15 Obdicut

I'd also like to point out that what Blair doesn't include is what Charles bolded in the original article:

Harris-Lacewell said such expressions of distrust toward whites will not hurt Obama in the Democratic presidential primaries, which are dominated by liberal voters.

“To win the Democratic nomination, he’s got to get a part of the progressive, anti-war, white folks,” she said. “And those white folks tend to be suspicious of any black person who wouldn’t be suspicious of white people.”

That quote hurts my brain, and I think 'wow' is a good response to it.

Exactly - that was actually the main point of the post.

46 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:54:25pm

re: #39 Obdicut

Yes, and yes.

Remember when he flew to DC to help with the meltdown, and then did absolutely nothing to help with the meltdown?

That wasn't really a good sign about McCain's future handling of the economy.

The "I'm not really suspending my campaign, but could everyone please pay attention to me?" meltdown...that was priceless. Even Bush was disgusted by that move, as McCain sat sulking in the meeting he called and then showed he brought nothing to the table.

47 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:54:28pm

re: #43 wozzablog

and someone is back on my auto-scroll list for drinking the kool-aid...

Well... goody for you. That'll show em'.

48 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:55:22pm

re: #27 Spare O'Lake

Could McCain have fucked up the economy any worse than Obama has?
Could McCain have dragged his ass on immigration reform any more than Obama has?

Bush tried to NOT drag his ass on immigration reform, and his party sat on his head for eight years. Why do you think McCain would have overcome these obstacles in a single bound, especially since, unlike W., he doesn't seem to care that much about it?

As for the economy, I don't think God Himself could have gotten it out of the condition Obama inherited it in. We're going to have to ride this one out.

49 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:55:47pm

re: #30 allegro

Love the implication that Obama is the one who fucked up the economy too.

Does no one remember those weeks of free-fall?

50 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:56:15pm

re: #41 Gus 802

"Hi. I'm John McCain. I was for it before I was against it."

(Watch as Kerry comes up next.)

"The economy is strong!" (McCain's best Baghdad Bob impression, I thought)...

51 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:56:15pm
I’m sorry, Nation.

It's cool.

Now, apologize for your support of the Rebel Alliance.
:)

52 joest73  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:56:41pm

re: #39 Obdicut

Yes, and yes.

Remember when he flew to DC to help with the meltdown, and then did absolutely nothing to help with the meltdown?

That wasn't really a good sign about McCain's future handling of the economy.

We also got an early glimpse of the aloof demeanor from Obama.

53 allegro  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:56:51pm

re: #49 SanFranciscoZionist

Does no one remember those weeks of free-fall?

Some seem to conveniently forget when it suits them.

54 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:56:56pm

re: #47 Walter L. Newton

Well... goody for you. That'll show em'.

I know.

Making such a tough and public stand may make me unpopular.......but i'm willing to reap the whirl wind of peaceful passive non-engagement

55 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:57:22pm

re: #50 darthstar

"The economy is strong!" (McCain's best Baghdad Bob impression, I thought)...

Didn't he also have a guy on his staff who said "Americans these days are nothing but a bunch of winers" more or less in regards to how people were complaining about the recession ?

56 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:57:29pm

re: #52 joest73

We also got an early glimpse of the aloof demeanor from Obama.

GRAY POUPON!

57 Kragar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:57:30pm

re: #51 Varek Raith

It's cool.

Now, apologize for your support of the Rebel Alliance.
:)

Heretics.

58 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:57:51pm

re: #42 Obdicut

I saw the Yaz retire. That was a great moment.

I mean, a sad moment, but a great one. The running around, touching hands.

Nice guy

I installed a media room in his farm house up in West Newbery Mass years after he retired

59 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:57:55pm

re: #52 joest73

We also got an early glimpse of the aloof demeanor from Obama.

Good one.

/drip drip drip

60 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:58:02pm

re: #52 joest73

We also got an early glimpse of the aloof demeanor from Obama.

Does 'aloof' mean not grandstanding your way to DC when you're not actually wanted, don't actually have a plan, and just are pissing people off?

'cuz I kind of like 'aloof', then.

61 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:58:09pm

re: #48 SanFranciscoZionist

Bush tried to NOT drag his ass on immigration reform, and his party sat on his head for eight years. Why do you think McCain would have overcome these obstacles in a single bound, especially since, unlike W., he doesn't seem to care that much about it?

As for the economy, I don't think God Himself could have gotten it out of the condition Obama inherited it in. We're going to have to ride this one out.

Hey! After November Skyhook Economics will get us out of this world recession.

62 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:58:25pm

re: #53 allegro

Some seem to conveniently forget when it suits them.

It was the scariest damn thing I've ever seen happen to the economy, and it will be a LONG time before we pull all the way out.

63 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:58:26pm

re: #56 McSpiff

GRAY POUPON!

Which is actually a pretty low-rent mustard, as mustards go.

64 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:59:05pm

re: #56 McSpiff

I've been yelling a lot this thread. I'm gonna go ahead and stop doing that now.

65 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:59:09pm
Capt. John Sheridan: I apologize... I'm sorry.

Capt. John Sheridan: I'm sorry we had to defend ourselves against an unwarranted attack. I'm sorry that your crew was stupid enough to fire on a station filled with a quarter million civilians, including your own people. And I'm sorry I waited as long as I did before I blew them all straight to Hell!... As with everything else, it's the thought that counts.

66 allegro  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:59:29pm

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

It was the scariest damn thing I've ever seen happen to the economy, and it will be a LONG time before we pull all the way out.

Some of us never will.

67 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 3:59:31pm

re: #37 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Cariboo Barbie would have been leading the charge.

Now there's the real kicker. Palin.

68 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:00:08pm

re: #63 Cato the Elder

Which is actually a pretty low-rent mustard, as mustards go.

And our American version of that, the stuff we buy in store, is nothing like the poupon I've had in France, which is hot enough to clear your sinuses.

69 Kragar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:00:19pm

Now this is an excellent mustard;

Green Peppercorn and Garlic Mustard

70 ShaunP  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:00:35pm

re: #62 SanFranciscoZionist

It was the scariest damn thing I've ever seen happen to the economy, and it will be a LONG time before we pull all the way out.

I personally find it beyond hypocritical when people preach the gospel of free market healing itself and then also faulting Obama for not doing enough to fix it...

71 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:00:35pm

re: #65 Varek Raith

automatic B5 upding.

72 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:00:40pm

Sarah Palin strikes me as the kind of person that would "brush up on her Spanish" before visiting Brazil.

/

73 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:01:13pm

RoP still causing problems.....

Two men arrested at Amsterdam airport

ABC News, citing U.S. law enforcement officials, reported that the men have been charged in the Netherlands with "preparation of a terrorist attack," and that they had just flown from Chicago, Illinois, to Amsterdam on a United Airlines flight.

The two appeared to have been traveling with "mock bombs" in their luggage, U.S. officials said, according to ABC News.

74 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:02:06pm

re: #23 darthstar

I voted for Obama, and I'll do it again.

I think it was the right choice. I sat out last election.

75 keithgabryelski  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:02:18pm

re: #25 Obdicut

Just to bring this all around ... Beck apologized for calling President Obama racist on FoxNews Sunday when we was asked about it (yesterday) by Chris Wallace.

76 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:02:34pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

RoP still causing problems...

Two men arrested at Amsterdam airport

Question is (and I haven't read it yet, but heard a news flash here at work about it) Says they boarded in Chicago with (wait for it) BOX CUTTERS

77 Winny Spencer  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:02:41pm

re: #55 jamesfirecat

Didn't he also have a guy on his staff who said "Americans these days are nothing but a bunch of winers" more or less in regards to how people were complaining about the recession ?

Youtube Video

Good times.

78 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:03:02pm

re: #72 Gus 802

Sarah Palin strikes me as the kind of person that would "brush up on her Spanish" before visiting Brazil.

/

and who could forget her favourite Carmen Miranda song "theres an awful lot of darjeeling in Brazil........"

79 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:03:03pm

re: #66 allegro

Some of us never will.

Yeah. Some people's economic viability has simply been destroyed. And that's that.

80 Kragar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:03:10pm

re: #75 keithgabryelski

Just to bring this all around ... Beck apologized for calling President Obama racist on FoxNews Sunday when we was asked about it (yesterday) by Chris Wallace.

And then proceeded to attack his religion

81 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:03:53pm

re: #27 Spare O'Lake

Hey, extra lough.

I think in his private moments? Senator McCain is exceptionally glad that he is still a Senator.

My personal opinion, but I think I'm right.

82 deranged cat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:03:55pm

apology accepted, Charles!

83 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:04:20pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

RoP still causing problems...

Two men arrested at Amsterdam airport

I didn't read anything in that report to indicate that these men were Muslim.

84 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:04:25pm

re: #80 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

And then proceeded to attack his religion

Beck attacked Christianity?

85 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:04:37pm

re: #63 Cato the Elder

Which is actually a pretty low-rent mustard, as mustards go.

Could you please pass the cheap yellow mustard?

86 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:04:44pm

Two Suspects on United Airlines Flight Arrested on Terror Charges in Amsterdam - ABC News

The men were identified as Ahmed Mohamed Nasser al Soofi, of Detroit, MI, and Hezem al Murisi, the officials said. A neighbor of al Soofi told ABC News he is from Yemen.

Airport security screeners in Birmingham, Alabama first stopped al Soofi and referred him to additional screening because of what officials said was his "bulky clothing."

In addition, officials said, al Soofi was found to be carrying $7,000 in cash and a check of his luggage found a cell phone taped to a Pepto-Bismol bottle, three cell phones taped together, several watches taped together, a box cutter and three large knives. Officials said there was no indication of explosives and he and his luggage were cleared for the flight from Birmingham to Chicago O'Hare.

Once in Chicago, officials say they learned al Soofi checked his luggage on a flight to Washington's Dulles airport for connections on flights to Dubai and then Yemen, even though he did not board the flight himself.

Instead, officials say, al Soofi was joined by the second man, Al Murisi, and boarded the United flight from Chicago to Amsterdam.

When Customs and Border officials learned al Soofi was not on the flight from Dulles to Dubai, the plane was ordered to return to the gate so his luggage could be removed. Officials said additional screening found no evidence of explosives.

87 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:05:31pm

re: #84 sattv4u2

Beck attacked Christianity?

Just the weird kind practiced by Obama. There's some whole thing about social justice, which Beck thinks Americans have a hard time recognizing.

/

88 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:05:38pm

re: #86 Charles

Well, that answers my question at re: #83 Walter L. Newton

89 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:05:53pm

re: #76 sattv4u2

Question is (and I haven't read it yet, but heard a news flash here at work about it) Says they boarded in Chicago with (wait for it) BOX CUTTERS

That might have been in their checked luggage. It looks like they were trying to raise alarms with odd things like cell phones taped together. Strange case.

90 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:05:57pm

re: #75 keithgabryelski

And his apology sucked. It wasn't actually an apology, at all:

I didn't understand really his theology. His viewpoints come from liberation theology. That I think is what at the gut level I was sensing, and I miscast it as racism."

Now, 'liberation theology' is a racially loaded term in the first place, so he is, actually, calling Obama racist again, basically. And he's simply switched his bigotry from rank supposition about Obama's racial feelings to rank supposition about Obama's religious views.

91 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:06:14pm

re: #89 Killgore Trout

That might have been in their checked luggage. It looks like they were trying to raise alarms with odd things like cell phones taped together. Strange case.

trial run, perhaps

92 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:06:28pm

re: #75 keithgabryelski

Just to bring this all around ... Beck apologized for calling President Obama racist on FoxNews Sunday when we was asked about it (yesterday) by Chris Wallace.

Yeah, he's not a racist, it's just his religion that's now bothering Beck.

Beck is a nutcase with a huge microphone.

93 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:06:40pm

re: #91 sattv4u2

trial run, perhaps

My thought too

94 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:06:44pm

BBL

95 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:07:23pm

re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm sorry...that you are stupid.

Ha! I just got that!

Water joke... took time to soak in.

96 sattv4u2  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:07:43pm

ABC NEWS


Cell phones taped together
Cell phone taped to Pepto Bismol bottle
Box cutter and LARGE knives

(really ,,, bbl)

97 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:07:49pm

re: #86 Charles

Looks like a trial run.

98 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:07:50pm

re: #75 keithgabryelski

Just to bring this all around ... Beck apologized for calling President Obama racist on FoxNews Sunday when we was asked about it (yesterday) by Chris Wallace.

Right, that's why I'm supposed to apologize too, or I'm a hypocrite. Or something.

99 joest73  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:07:53pm

I wouldn't want to imagine what could have been the disaster of a McCain Presidency. The man is disliked on both sides. The economy was tanking regardless of who was in the White House. The media would have gone after McCain like they did with Reagan in the early 80's.

McCain the liberal would have emerged and handled the recession with equally
disastrous results as what has happened under Obama.

Carter gave us Reagan and hopefully Obama will bring us a real fiscally conservative candidate.

100 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:07:53pm

re: #73 Killgore Trout

RoP still causing problems...

Two men arrested at Amsterdam airport

So they were Imams or members of Muslim clergy?

101 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:08:09pm

re: #86 Charles

Trial run, maybe?

Just guessing here.

102 zora  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:08:26pm

re: #90 Obdicut

And his apology sucked. It wasn't actually an apology, at all:

Now, 'liberation theology' is a racially loaded term in the first place, so he is, actually, calling Obama racist again, basically. And he's simply switched his bigotry from rank supposition about Obama's racial feelings to rank supposition about Obama's religious views.

except liberation theology as practiced by his hero mlk. this guy is full of shit and there is no following his reasoning.

103 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:09:44pm

re: #99 joest73

I wouldn't want to imagine what could have been the disaster of a McCain Presidency. The man is disliked on both sides. The economy was tanking regardless of who was in the White House. The media would have gone after McCain like they did with Reagan in the early 80's.

McCain the liberal would have emerged and handled the recession with equally
disastrous results as what has happened under Obama.

Carter gave us Reagan and hopefully Obama will bring us a real fiscally conservative candidate.

I don't want to sound like a Negative Nelly, but you got any names for that list?

104 recusancy  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:09:53pm

re: #52 joest73

We also got an early glimpse of the aloof demeanor from Obama.

By aloof do you mean someone who doesn't panic?

105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:10:12pm

re: #25 Obdicut

That is a great story. A lot of truth in there. Passive racists raised me also (they've recovered and now are part of a half and half Christian congregation.

Also, your brother helped you greatly there.

But, just so you know? He was really hoping for a reason to slap the shit out of you anyway.

106 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:11:02pm

re: #100 Gus 802

Looks like American both were American citizens.

107 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:11:23pm

re: #101 EmmmieG

Trial run, maybe?

Just guessing here.

It has that kind of feel. "What will happen if we do XYZ and try to walk it through?"

108 allegro  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:11:23pm

re: #99 joest73

McCain the liberal would have emerged and handled the recession with equally disastrous results as what has happened under Obama.

Oh, cut the crap.

How the Stimulus is Changing America

Yes, the stimulus has cut taxes for 95% of working Americans, bailed out every state, hustled record amounts of unemployment benefits and other aid to struggling families and funded more than 100,000 projects to upgrade roads, subways, schools, airports, military bases and much more. But in the words of Vice President Joe Biden, Obama's effusive Recovery Act point man, "Now the fun stuff starts!" The "fun stuff," about one-sixth of the total cost, is an all-out effort to exploit the crisis to make green energy, green building and green transportation real; launch green manufacturing industries; computerize a pen-and-paper health system; promote data-driven school reforms; and ramp up the research of the future. "This is a chance to do something big, man!" Biden said during a 90-minute interview with TIME.

For starters, the Recovery Act is the most ambitious energy legislation in history, converting the Energy Department into the world's largest venture-capital fund. It's pouring $90 billion into clean energy, including unprecedented investments in a smart grid; energy efficiency; electric cars; renewable power from the sun, wind and earth; cleaner coal; advanced biofuels; and factories to manufacture green stuff in the U.S. The act will also triple the number of smart electric meters in our homes, quadruple the number of hybrids in the federal auto fleet and finance far-out energy research through a new government incubator modeled after the Pentagon agency that fathered the Internet.


109 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:12:00pm

re: #102 zora

except liberation theology as practiced by his hero mlk. this guy is full of shit and there is no following his reasoning.

MLK isn't his hero, he just knows that dissing Dr. King's memory too publicly doesn't seem to be a good move.

FEH.

110 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:12:24pm

re: #90 Obdicut

And his apology sucked. It wasn't actually an apology, at all:

Now, 'liberation theology' is a racially loaded term in the first place, so he is, actually, calling Obama racist again, basically. And he's simply switched his bigotry from rank supposition about Obama's racial feelings to rank supposition about Obama's religious views.

Honest question... why do you label 'liberation theology'
racially loaded" maybe something has changed about what I was familiar with, but this is the general sense I always had about it...

"Liberation theology[1] is a movement in Christian theology which interprets the teachings of Jesus Christ in terms of a liberation from unjust economic, political, or social conditions. It has been described by proponents as "an interpretation of Christian faith through the poor's suffering, their struggle and hope, and a critique of society and the Catholic faith and Christianity through the eyes of the poor",[2] and by detractors as Christianity influenced by Marxism and Communism.[3]

Although liberation theology has grown into an international and inter-denominational movement, it began as a movement within the Roman Catholic church in Latin America in the 1950s - 1960s. Liberation theology arose principally as a moral reaction to the poverty caused by social injustice in that region. The term was coined in 1971 by the Peruvian priest Gustavo Gutiérrez, who wrote one of the movement's most famous books, A Theology of Liberation. Other noted exponents are Leonardo Boff of Brazil, Jon Sobrino of El Salvador, and Juan Luis Segundo of Uruguay.[4][5][6]"

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Curious... explain?

111 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:12:41pm

re: #106 Killgore Trout

Looks like American both were American citizens.

Makes you wonder though. How come they weren't apprehended in the USA. They had to go all the way to Amsterdam before they figured this all out? Seriously, that shows that we still have a big hole in security.

112 tradewind  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:12:44pm

re: #106 Killgore Trout
More trouble out of DTW, though.
It wouldn't be the first time.

113 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:12:44pm

re: #105 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Heh. He preferred psychological torture. He and my other brother even had a facial expression that would make me cry. I can't explain why.

114 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:12:57pm

re: #106 Killgore Trout

Looks like American both were American citizens.

We need to bomb the fuck out of America and stop those basta--wait, what?

115 joest73  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:12:58pm

re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't want to sound like a Negative Nelly, but you got any names for that list?

Not many to be honest..... Paul Ryan....Chris Christie.....John Thune... short list....

116 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:13:00pm

re: #99 joest73

I wouldn't want to imagine what could have been the disaster of a McCain Presidency. The man is disliked on both sides. The economy was tanking regardless of who was in the White House. The media would have gone after McCain like they did with Reagan in the early 80's.

McCain the liberal would have emerged and handled the recession with equally
disastrous results as what has happened under Obama.

Carter gave us Reagan and hopefully Obama will bring us a real fiscally conservative candidate.

Reagan helped the religious right get its foot in the door.

I hope the only foot this new fiscal conservative shows the Socons is a boot up the ass....

117 keithgabryelski  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:13:18pm

re: #90 Obdicut

And his apology sucked. It wasn't actually an apology, at all:

Now, 'liberation theology' is a racially loaded term in the first place, so he is, actually, calling Obama racist again, basically. And he's simply switched his bigotry from rank supposition about Obama's racial feelings to rank supposition about Obama's religious views.

yeah, i don't disagree with your point -- I was actually talking about a different quote though. He was very specific in mentioning he was wrong and wishes he could take it back.

That aside, Glenn Beck is an asshat and I wasn't attempting to defend him in anyway shape or form.

Sorry I can't find the quote (and I can't continue what I started), new baby (born August 5th -- Casey), and we gotta get some food in my wife soon.

118 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:13:39pm

re: #111 Gus 802

Makes you wonder though. How come they weren't apprehended in the USA. They had to go all the way to Amsterdam before they figured this all out? Seriously, that shows that we still have a big hole in security.

I wish we'd taken half the money we spent on Iraq and used it on airport security. The US is still not as good as Britain was by the late 1980s. This is not rocket science.

119 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:14:08pm

re: #115 joest73

Not many to be honest... Paul Ryan...Chris Christie...John Thune... short list...

I'm hearing a lot about Christie these days. I need to read up on him.

120 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:14:29pm

re: #103 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't want to sound like a Negative Nelly, but you got any names for that list?

For shits and giggles - aside from Paul Ryan - i'd love to know.

Obama broke through at the democratic convention in '04. I just can't see anyone at all on the R side coming through with similar name recognition at this point in the cycle.

"true fiscal conservative" - hasn't been one of them in Washington for a LONG time.

121 recusancy  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:14:47pm

re: #98 Charles

Right, that's why I'm supposed to apologize too, or I'm a hypocrite. Or something.

But you wouldn't write that stuff today, right? You still don't think Obama had "shockingly racist anti-white attitudes" do you?

122 Killgore Trout  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:15:08pm

re: #111 Gus 802

Makes you wonder though. How come they weren't apprehended in the USA. They had to go all the way to Amsterdam before they figured this all out? Seriously, that shows that we still have a big hole in security.

Not necessarily. They might have been watching to see where he was going and who he was meeting. If they nabbed him right away they never would have caught his little buddy.

123 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:15:14pm

re: #110 Walter L. Newton

There's more than one liberation theology, and I believe Beck is talking about reverend Wright and black liberation theology.

[Link: atheism.about.com...]

Eventually Cone developed a “black theology” of liberation from oppression, racism, and poverty — and independently of the work of Gustavo Gutiérrez. Cone argued that the white church and white theologians had all failed in their duties to uphold biblical principles of helping the poor and marginalized of society. Indeed, Christians had become actively complicit in making the lives of others worse.

124 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:15:26pm

re: #65 Varek Raith

Love B5. Have all the DVDs. :)

125 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:15:36pm

re: #121 recusancy

But you wouldn't write that stuff today, right? You still don't think Obama had "shockingly racist anti-white attitudes" do you?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

126 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:15:45pm

re: #122 Killgore Trout

Not necessarily. They might have been watching to see where he was going and who he was meeting. If they nabbed him right away they never would have caught his little buddy.

True. I'll slow down here.

127 tradewind  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:15:51pm

re: #118 SanFranciscoZionist
Have you been through security in DTW lately?
It's amazing this hasn't happened more often.
I've been stopped there for violating the quart-sized baggie rule on one occasion, while being waved through with a keychain pepper spray that I had forgotten to leave in the glove compartment.

128 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:16:00pm

re: #118 SanFranciscoZionist

I wish we'd taken half the money we spent on Iraq and used it on airport security. The US is still not as good as Britain was by the late 1980s. This is not rocket science.

I wish we'd taken a third of the money we spent in Iraq and used it to rebuild the Afghanistan infrastructure. That country would be stable today and Iraq would still be led by Saddam Hussein, but as big a threat to world peace as Venezuela...or maybe just as annoying as a Vuvuzela.

129 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:16:09pm

re: #117 keithgabryelski

Congrats! I haven't been on facebook much, so I may have missed the baby posts. I saw the pic of your wife in the kitchen barefoot and cooking, and found it hilarious.

Take care.

130 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:16:10pm

re: #123 Obdicut

There's more than one liberation theology, and I believe Beck is talking about reverend Wright and black liberation theology.

[Link: atheism.about.com...]

Got you...

131 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:16:24pm

re: #117 keithgabryelski

Sorry I can't find the quote (and I can't continue what I started), new baby (born August 5th -- Casey), and we gotta get some food in my wife soon.

You haven't fed your wife since August 5th?!? Good Lord, man!

/

Congratulations!

132 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:16:41pm

re: #122 Killgore Trout

Not necessarily. They might have been watching to see where he was going and who he was meeting. If they nabbed him right away they never would have caught his little buddy.

I always hope the police know a whole lot more than we do.

133 Linden Arden  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:16:53pm

re: #115 joest73

Not many to be honest... Paul Ryan...Chris Christie...John Thune... short list...

Both Ryan and Christie have dismissed a run.

Thune is the inside baseball favorite in DC power circles.

134 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:17:21pm

Like cause and effect, this chronology thing seems to present a serious challenge to the wingnut thinking process, such as it is.
At the time of Charles's original post, Obama's attitudes toward race were an open question. This is not startling: At one time, briefly, even his place of birth was a legitimate question and in need of answers. The problem with wingnuts is that they love to raise questions but cannot even conceive of anyone accepting the answers if these don't suit a pre-determined agenda.

135 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:17:43pm

re: #121 recusancy

But you wouldn't write that stuff today, right? You still don't think Obama had "shockingly racist anti-white attitudes" do you?

"Shockingly racist?" No. That was hyperbole, granted. But by his own accounts Obama definitely was prejudiced toward white people in his youth.

136 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:17:50pm

re: #123 Obdicut

There's more than one liberation theology, and I believe Beck is talking about reverend Wright and black liberation theology.

[Link: atheism.about.com...]

Beck doesn't use words for their meaning--he's after the effect of their resonance in his faithful.

137 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:18:07pm

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm hearing a lot about Christie these days. I need to read up on him.

I was really unimpressed by his quote on the community center, where he accused 'both sides' of playing political football with it, while obviously using it to play political football with. He said that the feelings of those who lost people on 9/11 should be taken into account, without actually describing what that means.

Other than that, I don't know much about him.

138 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:18:16pm

I see the stock market made a healthy adjustment today...

[Link: www.nasdaq.com...]

139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:18:47pm

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

He's my hero, these days.

He's a bad mutha... watch your mouth!

140 recusancy  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:19:35pm

re: #135 Charles

"Shockingly racist?" No. That was hyperbole, granted. But by his own accounts Obama definitely was prejudiced toward white people in his youth.

Does "wary" = "prejudiced"?

141 keithgabryelski  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:20:12pm

re: #98 Charles

Right, that's why I'm supposed to apologize too, or I'm a hypocrite. Or something.

well, i wasn't even thinking that -- I'd have to re-read your message to form an opinion -- I did enjoy the apology about voting for McCain/Palin, just the humor of it.

My point: Glenn Beck called President Obama a racist and has apologized for that comment -- for me, the calling him a racist comment is now done, and we should probably be focusing on other parts of Glenn Beck's comments (there are plenty of other things he's said to think he is a scumbag).

142 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:20:21pm

re: #135 Charles

"Shockingly racist?" No. That was hyperbole, granted. But by his own accounts Obama definitely was prejudiced toward white people in his youth.

Probably liked disco, too.

143 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:20:50pm

re: #142 Decatur Deb

Probably liked disco, too.

Dear god, no.

144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:20:57pm

re: #135 Charles

Which always confused me. Not just about President Obama.

White people raised and nurtured him. His father RUNN-OFT.

I'm sure there's some psychological explanation there.

145 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:21:00pm

re: #142 Decatur Deb

Probably liked disco, too.

An impeachable offense, imho.

146 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:21:06pm

re: #58 sattv4u2

Nice guy

I installed a media room in his farm house up in West Newbery Mass years after he retired

Ah, now I feel bad for yelling all those nasty things at him from the left field bleachers in Yankee Stadium.

147 recusancy  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:21:43pm

re: #141 keithgabryelski

well, i wasn't even thinking that -- I'd have to re-read your message to form an opinion -- I did enjoy the apology about voting for McCain/Palin, just the humor of it.

My point: Glenn Beck called President Obama a racist and has apologized for that comment -- for me, the calling him a racist comment is now done, and we should probably be focusing on other parts of Glenn Beck's comments (there are plenty of other things he's said to think he is a scumbag).

Beck didn't apologize. He just changed racist into "liberation theology" which has a racist undertone because he means "black" liberation theology.

148 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:22:14pm

Achoo!

John Thune:

Thune, 43, 6 feet 4 and tan, with the good looks of a television anchor, doesn't drink, smoke or swear. An evangelical Christian, he does not believe in evolution. Riding in a silver Tahoe past rolling fields choked with corn and soybeans on Interstate 229, he charged that gay marriage would mean "it's going to be taught in the schools as the moral equivalent" to the union between a man and a woman.

149 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:22:34pm

re: #145 Varek Raith

An impeachable offense, imho.

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150 jaydub  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:22:51pm

My wife is already holding my vote for McCain/Palin over my head when I start knocking the Dems. I hope McCain long outlives the Obama administration - at least partly to hold off the "It would have been Day NNN of the Palin administration today!" crowing.

151 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:23:07pm

re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Which always confused me. Not just about President Obama.

White people raised and nurtured him. His father RUNN-OFT.

I'm sure there's some psychological explanation there.

Probably. I've known other biracial people with similar stories and issues. Race is damn complicated around these parts.

152 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:23:13pm

re: #75 keithgabryelski

Just to bring this all around ... Beck apologized for calling President Obama racist on FoxNews Sunday when we was asked about it (yesterday) by Chris Wallace.

Beck is a smarmy liar who used to make his money ranting on the radio about how he wanted to kill people by lining them up and beating them to death with shovels.

He hasn't changed. His job has.

Fuck him sideways.

153 joest73  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:23:31pm

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm hearing a lot about Christie these days. I need to read up on him.

He is an interesting seemingly straight shooting guy. Even dismissed the Park 51 controversy.

Thune seems like another stiff like Al Gore. Ryan is a young star.... but maybe too young.

154 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:23:47pm

re: #142 Decatur Deb

There's that picture of him in a cool disco hat, holding a disco cigarette....

155 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:23:50pm

re: #148 Gus 802

My guess is that the Republicans will field nothing BUT evangelical Xians in 2012 to run against Obama. It should be fun to watch.

156 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:24:08pm

re: #148 Gus 802

Achoo!

John Thune:

Thune, 43, 6 feet 4 and tan, with the good looks of a television anchor, doesn't drink, smoke or swear. An evangelical Christian, he does not believe in evolution. Riding in a silver Tahoe past rolling fields choked with corn and soybeans on Interstate 229, he charged that gay marriage would mean "it's going to be taught in the schools as the moral equivalent" to the union between a man and a woman.

I'm always intrigued by these folks who seem to think we spend a lot of time in school teaching the kids about the legal definition of marriage.

157 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:24:15pm

re: #148 Gus 802

Achoo!

John Thune:

Thune, 43, 6 feet 4 and tan, with the good looks of a television anchor, doesn't drink, smoke or swear. An evangelical Christian, he does not believe in evolution. Riding in a silver Tahoe past rolling fields choked with corn and soybeans on Interstate 229, he charged that gay marriage would mean "it's going to be taught in the schools as the moral equivalent" to the union between a man and a woman.

MONGO NO LIKE!

158 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:24:27pm

re: #155 darthstar

My guess is that the Republicans will field nothing BUT evangelical Xians in 2012 to run against Obama. It should be fun to watch.

No Mitt Romney?

159 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:24:49pm

re: #148 Gus 802

Achoo!

John Thune:

Thune, 43, 6 feet 4 and tan, with the good looks of a television anchor, doesn't drink, smoke or swear. An evangelical Christian, he does not believe in evolution. Riding in a silver Tahoe past rolling fields choked with corn and soybeans on Interstate 229, he charged that gay marriage would mean "it's going to be taught in the schools as the moral equivalent" to the union between a man and a woman.

Well... at least on the gay marriage issue, he's right in tune with President Obama.

160 Linden Arden  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:25:00pm

re: #144 Fat Bastard Vegetarian


His father RUNN-OFT.


I love all Coen references. Even misspelled ones.

I thought it was RUNNED OFF.

I would not place a wager on it though.

161 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:25:07pm

re: #151 SanFranciscoZionist

Probably. I've known other biracial people with similar stories and issues. Race is damn complicated around these parts.

162 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:25:14pm

re: #150 jaydub

My wife is already holding my vote for McCain/Palin over my head when I start knocking the Dems. I hope McCain long outlives the Obama administration - at least partly to hold off the "It would have been Day NNN of the Palin administration today!" crowing.

Hell even if he out lives it, we'll never know if the strain of being president wouldn't have finished off his ticker.

I'm just glad we dodged that bullet and glad to know my vote for Obama in Maryland didn't help us do it.

163 joest73  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:25:37pm

re: #138 Walter L. Newton

I see the stock market made a healthy adjustment today...

[Link: www.nasdaq.com...]

I think I have had enough of those "healthy adjustments".

164 Kragar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:25:40pm

re: #158 EmmmieG

No Mitt Romney?

The current GOP would eat him alive for not jumping on the Tea Bag express.

165 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:25:53pm

re: #159 Walter L. Newton

Well... at least on the gay marriage issue, he's right in tune with President Obama.

Barely. John Thune support amending the Constitution to define marriage as being only between a man and a woman. Last I checked Obama doesn't support that.

166 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:26:03pm

re: #159 Walter L. Newton

Well... at least on the gay marriage issue, he's right in tune with President Obama.

Well, the USSR collapsed before that final transmission ordering him to support it was received. Duh.

Seriously folks...he's not all that left.

167 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:26:28pm

re: #164 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The current GOP would eat him alive for not jumping on the Tea Bag express.

It's never too late to join the Teabaggers. McCain proved that last week.

168 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:26:38pm

re: #166 McSpiff

Well, the USSR collapsed before that final transmission ordering him to support it was received. Duh.

Seriously folks...he's not all that left.

Shh!

169 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:26:41pm

re: #158 EmmmieG

No Mitt Romney?

John Huntsman might have figured out that name recognition is not always a good thing. Beck could mess him up by triggering an anti-Mormon reaction.

170 tradewind  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:27:15pm

re: #155 darthstar
Well, you can hope.
Then again, you also think the Dems are actually going to hold onto the House, so it's possible that the candidate list won't look exactly like the one you're picturing./

171 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:27:19pm

re: #127 tradewind

Have you been through security in DTW lately?
It's amazing this hasn't happened more often.
I've been stopped there for violating the quart-sized baggie rule on one occasion, while being waved through with a keychain pepper spray that I had forgotten to leave in the glove compartment.

I've been through security at DTW plenty of times, nothing to complain about.

Worst airport for TSA stupidity: Philadelphia.

Zedushka and I arrived on a flight from Tel Aviv, were met at the gate and wheelchaired directly to a security line.

WTF?

Yes, you have to go through security when connecting from an international to a domestic flight.

Also, here's a clue for TSA: people in wheelchairs are not profoundly retarded, and we speak English. Just because we can't walk long distances doesn't mean we are slabs of meat.

It's rare that a TSA worker will be considerate of the disabled traveler. We are treated just as rudely as the non-disabled, except that we can't collect our stuff fast enough so we get abused and yelled at. KEEP IT MOVING.

BTW, DTW is one airport where they are very considerate to disabled travelers. Or maybe it's because they know me there and I will tip the wheelchair pusher for a smooth ride through security.

172 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:27:29pm

re: #99 joest73

Carter gave us Reagan and hopefully Obama will bring us a real fiscally conservative candidate.

Only problem with that supposition is that Reagan was not fiscally conservative. The debt doubled on his watch.

173 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:27:56pm

re: #99 joest73

I wouldn't want to imagine what could have been the disaster of a McCain Presidency. The man is disliked on both sides. The economy was tanking regardless of who was in the White House. The media would have gone after McCain like they did with Reagan in the early 80's.

McCain the liberal would have emerged and handled the recession with equally
disastrous results as what has happened under Obama.

Carter gave us Reagan and hopefully Obama will bring us a real fiscally conservative candidate.

You mean, like, one that won't start trillion-dollar unpaid-for wars because some tinpot dictator put his shit-assed daddy's face on a mosaic in a hotel lobby?

That would be interesting.

174 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:28:34pm

re: #159 Walter L. Newton

Well... at least on the gay marriage issue, he's right in tune with President Obama.

Um - hate to break this to you - Thune supported the constitutional amendment, Obama does not.

175 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:28:47pm

re: #172 Romantic Heretic

Again, SHH!

You're messing with cherished memes here!

176 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:29:09pm

re: #174 wozzablog

Um - hate to break this to you - Thune supported the constitutional amendment, Obama does not.

Got that... neither do I.

177 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:29:13pm

re: #166 McSpiff

Well, the USSR collapsed before that final transmission ordering him to support it was received. Duh.

Seriously folks...he's not all that left.

He might well not be president today if he came out and supported it.

I'm hoping Barack Obama really does believe marriage should only be between a man and a woman, because otherwise he's just being a politician.

178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:29:14pm

re: #160 Linden Arden

Washington Hogwallop: Mrs. Hogwallop up and R-U-N-N-O-F-T.

From IMDB... had me sweatin' for a minute there.

Ulysses Everett McGill:Say, any of you boys smithies? Or, if not smithies per se, were you otherwise trained in the metallurgic arts before straitened circumstances forced you into a life of aimless wanderin'?

179 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:29:20pm

re: #170 tradewind

Well, you can hope.
Then again, you also think the Dems are actually going to hold onto the House, so it's possible that the candidate list won't look exactly like the one you're picturing./

As Walter loves to say, the Democrats need to be worried...Ha!

180 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:29:32pm

re: #172 Romantic Heretic

Only problem with that supposition is that Reagan was not fiscally conservative. The debt doubled on his watch.

SHHHH!

181 tradewind  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:29:42pm

re: #160 Linden Arden
If you're going for strict accuracy, it's
' He done run off '.

182 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:29:58pm

re: #160 Linden Arden

I love all Coen references. Even misspelled ones.

I thought it was RUNNED OFF.

I would not place a wager on it though.

Youtube Video

0:45 seconds

183 joest73  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:29:58pm

re: #152 Cato the Elder

Beck is a smarmy liar who used to make his money ranting on the radio about how he wanted to kill people by lining them up and beating them to death with shovels.

He hasn't changed. His job has.

Fuck him sideways.

Well then you better label just about everyone on talk radio, left or right that has 2-3 hours of air time to fill a day as "smarmy". Plenty of liberal talkies have said equally stupid things...they just don't have the audience for people to hear what stupid things they are saying.

184 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:30:05pm

re: #179 darthstar

that's not an image toshadowbox :p

185 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:30:22pm

re: #177 SanFranciscoZionist

He might well not be president today if he came out and supported it.

I'm hoping Barack Obama really does believe marriage should only be between a man and a woman, because otherwise he's just being a politician.

Well I'm hoping not... if there would be anything I would give the man credit for is helping get rid of that notion.

186 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:30:30pm

Later... gonna hang with some meatspace friends...

187 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:30:40pm

re: #183 joest73

Facepalm

188 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:30:43pm

re: #184 windsagio

that's not an image toshadowbox :p

Oops...you're right...

[Link: www.newsweek.com...]

189 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:30:44pm

re: #183 joest73

Yet another Magical Balance Fairy worshiper.

You guys are the fastest growing modern religion.

190 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:30:44pm

re: #119 SanFranciscoZionist

I'm hearing a lot about Christie these days. I need to read up on him.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

191 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:31:02pm

re: #182 goddamnedfrank

I mean 0:45 minutes.

/RUNNOFT

192 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:31:06pm

re: #183 joest73

Unsupported false equivalence aside, we all know that talk radio is a pit.

But lets see some support for that false equivalence anyways.

193 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:31:12pm

re: #179 darthstar

As Walter loves to say, the Democrats need to be worried...Ha!

We'll see... that's all any of us can be sure of... we'll see.

194 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:31:14pm

re: #186 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Later... gonna hang with some meatspace vegiespace friends...

FTFY

195 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:31:23pm

re: #183 joest73

Well then you better label just about everyone on talk radio, left or right that has 2-3 hours of air time to fill a day as "smarmy". Plenty of liberal talkies have said equally stupid things...they just don't have the audience for people to hear what stupid things they are saying.

Nobody is as stupid as Beck.

NOBODY.

This man has refined idiocy down to an art form, he should be on comedy central co-hosting with Steven Colbert....

He'd be much less frightening (and say much less frightening things about our country) if he was....

196 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:31:27pm

re: #179 darthstar

As Walter loves to say, the Democrats need to be worried...Ha!

Sorry...shadowboxed it - link fixed.

197 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:31:40pm

Here's the Republican Plan from Dick Morris:

"There's going to be a government shutdown, just like in '95 and '96 but we're going to win it this time and I'll be fightin' on your side," Morris said at the Americans for Prosperity Foundation Conference on Friday in Washington.

No words.

198 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:32:53pm

re: #190 Jeff In Ohio

Ouch.

So the Obama administration caught Christie's guy's mistake, and Christie blames the administration for the problem?

That'd rather buck-passy logic.

199 tradewind  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:33:13pm

re: #193 Walter L. Newton
Saw Charlie Cook of the Cook Report on C-Span this morning say that it was gone baby gone, and he was not happy about it.
He said he'd held out as long as he could, but it was time to face the facts.

200 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:33:15pm

re: #197 Stanley Sea

No words.

should have sent a poet............

201 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:33:41pm

re: #196 darthstar

I can't read polls much, they annoy the ccrap out of me. Not the particular trends, but rather the reasons you always see quoted.

It's maddening.

re: #197 Stanley Sea

No words.

What sucks is it works! The GOP fucks the government over, and the 'party in power' gets the blame for not getting anything done!

Maddening,.

202 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:33:54pm

re: #197 Stanley Sea

Here's the Republican Plan from Dick Morris:

No words.

The GOP will most likely take back the House but Dick Morris is still a clown.

203 tradewind  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:33:55pm

re: #197 Stanley Sea
I wouldn't think Morris would ever be a member of any party but the one that was writing the check.

204 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:34:16pm

re: #192 windsagio

Unsupported false equivalence aside, we all know that talk radio is a pit.

But lets see some support for that false equivalence anyways.

“Republicans are evil sons-of-bitches. The Republican Party needs to be murdered. It needs to — it’s like if you had a nest of rats in your house, or a hornets nest under the eaves at your barn or your house, and you knew they were going to do harm to you, your family, your kid — if you live on the farm, your livestock, whatever. What would you do? Of course — you’d get an exterminator and you would murder the nest and get rid of it. Just get rid of it. This is what America needs right now; they need to have the Republican Party eliminated, totally, completely. It is destructive, it is negative, it is sick. [laughs] A mercy killing is what’s needed here.”
— Mike Malloy, The Mike Malloy Show, February 4, 2009.

“He is an enemy of the country, in my opinion, Dick Cheney is, he is an enemy of the country. He’s making it harder for those who are in power right now to protect the country. He’s about the political divide. It just, I just think the guy’s such a freakin’ loser. You know, Lord, take him to the Promised Land, will you? See, I don’t even wish the guy goes to Hell, I just want to get him the hell out of here.”
— Ed Schultz, The Ed Schultz Show, May 11, 2009.

“So, Michele, slit your wrist! Go ahead! [chuckles] I mean, you know, why not? I mean, if you want to — or, you know, do us all a better thing. Move that knife up about two feet. I mean, start right at the collarbone.”
— Montel Williams talking about Representative Michele Bachmann on Air America’s Montel Across America, September 2, 2009.

“You’re damn right, Dick Cheney’s heart’s a political football. We ought to rip it out and kick it around and stuff it back in him. I’m glad he didn’t tip over....How come Dick Cheney’s health care isn’t being dropped? Do you realize that if you had five heart attacks — hell, you wouldn’t get past two heart attacks and they’d dump you. But, because you’re a war criminal, and because you are on the take from Haliburton and you had these executive meetings in 2001 back in the, you know, the days of the rolling blackouts and executive privilege on how we’re going to develop energy policy in this country, you do stuff like that — hell, you can get the best health care on the face of the earth.”
— Ed Schultz on The Ed Schultz Show, February 24, 2010.

Host Ed Schultz: “It’s kind of like the way Rush brought it to CPAC over the weekend, about how, you know, how interesting he was.”
Clip of Rush Limbaugh at CPAC, accompanied by audio of Adolf Hitler and cheering Nazis: “I want Barack Obama to fail if his mission is to restructure and reform this country so that capitalism and individual liberty are not its foundation. Why would I want that to succeed?”...
Schultz: “Now if you watch Limbaugh with the sound down, the drugster, he looks like Adolf Hitler! His animation is amazing! It’s, the parallel is so striking. And then, of course, Rush is now the angry American. The angry American. And that’s where they are. They are so out of touch, just like Hitler was out of touch. But he was mesmerizing. So, I think it was comical. I think there are parallels drawn by some of the things Hitler was saying and some of the things that were at the CPAC convention. They are not Americans. They don’t care about the greater good of society.”
— Ed Schultz, The Ed Schultz Show, March 2, 2009.

(I could go on for hours)

205 Linden Arden  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:34:39pm

re: #182 goddamnedfrank

Can't dispute video evidence like that.

Trivia!

Ain't this place a god damn geographical oddity. (blank) miles from everywhere.

What is the blank (number of miles)?

Don't cheat!

206 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:35:09pm

re: #197 Stanley Sea

Here's the Republican Plan from Dick Morris:

No words.

Who would have guessed Dick M was a Black Bloc anarchist? Then again, it's hard to tell with the ninja masks.

207 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:35:14pm

re: #201 windsagio

I can't read polls much, they annoy the ccrap out of me. Not the particular trends, but rather the reasons you always see quoted.

It's maddening.

re: #197 Stanley Sea

What sucks is it works! The GOP fucks the government over, and the 'party in power' gets the blame for not getting anything done!

Maddening,.

More proof that we need to get rid of the filibuster if you ask me.

208 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:35:38pm

re: #204 Walter L. Newton

Thanks for the anecdotes ;)

I hate talk radio >>

209 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:35:41pm

re: #207 jamesfirecat

More proof that we need to get rid of the filibuster if you ask me.

Eh....
No.

210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:36:05pm

re: #204 Walter L. Newton

Gosh. Those are pretty recent.

211 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:36:15pm

re: #207 jamesfirecat

Oh totally! Its a stupid dated concept.

cue: "Just wait until you guys have to use it!"

212 tradewind  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:36:32pm

re: #201 windsagio
There's a concept called overreaching.
It's what the smartest president ever didn't get.
I wouldn't be surprised if he decides to regroup between now and '12, though.

213 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:37:00pm

re: #35 sattv4u2

Rice was just the opposite. He was stand-offish and cold to the Boston fans.

otoh, he did have big shoes to fill. In the 25 (odd) years prior to him the Red Sox had only two regular left fielders

Ted Williams followed by Carl Yastrzemski


boston sportswriters treated Jim Rice like shit. i have personal experience dealing with Rice as a player and he is a MUCH better guy than many would believe. Fred Lynn and Yaz, who were loved by the boston baseball writers were two of the biggest assholes i have ever covered in my 32 years in the biz.

214 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:37:18pm

re: #212 tradewind

"Overreaching"?

really?

It really is a different world, I guess >>

215 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:37:18pm

re: #210 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Gosh. Those are pretty recent.

Yea... sort of fits the 20 year rule.. huh... I have pages of them, and links to the audio... I'll the the google-fu experts find them if they really want to.

216 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:37:38pm

re: #195 jamesfirecat

Nobody is as stupid as Beck.

NOBODY.

This man has refined idiocy down to an art form, he should be on comedy central co-hosting with Steven Colbert...

He'd be much less frightening (and say much less frightening things about our country) if he was...

He has refined it, which I would argue actually takes a fair amount of smarts to be able to filter out any semblence of intelligence out of 2 or 3 hours on the air every day.

217 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:37:41pm

re: #209 Varek Raith

Eh...
No.

If not eliminated at least reformed....

Like for every week something is filibustered you need one less vote to over turn it.

The Senate was not meant to work on on a 60% supermajority on every single issue...

Government inertia will be the end of us at this rate....

218 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:37:48pm

re: #204 Walter L. Newton

I'm curious though. About a lot of things but has anyone in the Democratic Party ever had to apologize to Ed Schultz?

219 Linden Arden  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:38:10pm

re: #178 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You are correct sir. I bow to your superior 'O Brother' knowledge.

220 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:38:11pm

re: #183 joest73

Well then you better label just about everyone on talk radio, left or right that has 2-3 hours of air time to fill a day as "smarmy". Plenty of liberal talkies have said equally stupid things...they just don't have the audience for people to hear what stupid things they are saying.

Uh, no.

Most "liberals" give stupid-assed shovel-bangers one chance, and then dial the dial back to NPR, where people actually believe in real debate.

Because you don't, I feel free to say "shove your 'they're all the same' shite up a different hole from the one it came out of."

221 recusancy  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:38:23pm

re: #218 Gus 802

I'm curious though. About a lot of things but has anyone in the Democratic Party ever had to apologize to Ed Schultz?

hehe... Ed who?

222 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:38:26pm

re: #215 Walter L. Newton

Beck really is in a class of his own tho', he's god tier talk radio.

223 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:38:28pm

re: #204 Walter L. Newton

“Republicans are evil sons-of-bitches. The Republican Party needs to be murdered. It needs to — it’s like if you had a nest of rats in your house, or a hornets nest under the eaves at your barn or your house, and you knew they were going to do harm to you, your family, your kid — if you live on the farm, your livestock, whatever. What would you do? Of course — you’d get an exterminator and you would murder the nest and get rid of it. Just get rid of it. This is what America needs right now; they need to have the Republican Party eliminated, totally, completely. It is destructive, it is negative, it is sick. [laughs] A mercy killing is what’s needed here.”
— Mike Malloy, The Mike Malloy Show, February 4, 2009.

“He is an enemy of the country, in my opinion, Dick Cheney is, he is an enemy of the country. He’s making it harder for those who are in power right now to protect the country. He’s about the political divide. It just, I just think the guy’s such a freakin’ loser. You know, Lord, take him to the Promised Land, will you? See, I don’t even wish the guy goes to Hell, I just want to get him the hell out of here.”
— Ed Schultz, The Ed Schultz Show, May 11, 2009.

“So, Michele, slit your wrist! Go ahead! [chuckles] I mean, you know, why not? I mean, if you want to — or, you know, do us all a better thing. Move that knife up about two feet. I mean, start right at the collarbone.”
— Montel Williams talking about Representative Michele Bachmann on Air America’s Montel Across America, September 2, 2009.

“You’re damn right, Dick Cheney’s heart’s a political football. We ought to rip it out and kick it around and stuff it back in him. I’m glad he didn’t tip over...How come Dick Cheney’s health care isn’t being dropped? Do you realize that if you had five heart attacks — hell, you wouldn’t get past two heart attacks and they’d dump you. But, because you’re a war criminal, and because you are on the take from Haliburton and you had these executive meetings in 2001 back in the, you know, the days of the rolling blackouts and executive privilege on how we’re going to develop energy policy in this country, you do stuff like that — hell, you can get the best health care on the face of the earth.”
— Ed Schultz on The Ed Schultz Show, February 24, 2010.

Host Ed Schultz: “It’s kind of like the way Rush brought it to CPAC over the weekend, about how, you know, how interesting he was.”
Clip of Rush Limbaugh at CPAC, accompanied by audio of Adolf Hitler and cheering Nazis: “I want Barack Obama to fail if his mission is to restructure and reform this country so that capitalism and individual liberty are not its foundation. Why would I want that to succeed?”...
Schultz: “Now if you watch Limbaugh with the sound down, the drugster, he looks like Adolf Hitler! His animation is amazing! It’s, the parallel is so striking. And then, of course, Rush is now the angry American. The angry American. And that’s where they are. They are so out of touch, just like Hitler was out of touch. But he was mesmerizing. So, I think it was comical. I think there are parallels drawn by some of the things Hitler was saying and some of the things that were at the CPAC convention. They are not Americans. They don’t care about the greater good of society.”
— Ed Schultz, The Ed Schultz Show, March 2, 2009.

(I could go on for hours)

It might take hours to find three that 25 Americans in a row could identify.

224 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:38:49pm

re: #211 windsagio

Oh totally! Its a stupid dated concept.

cue: "Just wait until you guys have to use it!"

F*** it as bad as Bush was... I think we should still drop the filibuster so at least the American people can see the will of those they elect accurately reflected for better or worse...

225 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:39:13pm

re: #221 recusancy

hehe... Ed who?

That big guy with a large voice on that cable channel. Some call him "Mr. Video Clip Guy."

/

226 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:39:18pm

re: #218 Gus 802

I'm curious though. About a lot of things but has anyone in the Democratic Party ever had to apologize to Ed Schultz?

What? I'm just clipping and pasting quotes by leftist talkers... argue with them if you have a issue.

227 recusancy  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:39:21pm

re: #224 jamesfirecat

F*** it as bad as Bush was... I think we should still drop the filibuster so at least the American people can see the will of those they elect accurately reflected for better or worse...

Exactly. Elections need to have consequences.

228 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:39:52pm

re: #217 jamesfirecat

That's the problem, the filibuster is kinda a good idea, but it breaks down one a party gives up all pretext of acting in good faith.

And let's not fool ourselves that that's not what we have here.

229 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:39:53pm

re: #214 windsagio

"Overreaching"?

really?

It really is a different world, I guess >>

Why over reach when you can reach around?

230 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:40:12pm

re: #214 windsagio

"Overreaching"?

really?

It really is a different world, I guess >>

Is overreaching just another euphemism for "uppity"?

231 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:40:31pm

re: #201 windsagio

What sucks is it works! The GOP fucks the government over, and the 'party in power' gets the blame for not getting anything done!

Maddening,.

If the Democrats had taken the Republican tack of steamrolling their policies through while they had 60 votes in the Senate, it would have been a beautiful thing. But there are too many "blue-dogs" (really, moderate Republicans) in the Democratic party for that to happen.

232 tradewind  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:40:51pm

re: #214 windsagio
It's not only my take. Most political analysts say that if Obama had tackled our most pressing problem.... jobs and the economy, to the exclusion of all else until things were noticeably on the upswing, he wouldn't be in the position he's in now.

233 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:40:57pm

re: #228 windsagio

That's the problem, the filibuster is kinda a good idea, but it breaks down one a party gives up all pretext of acting in good faith.

And let's not fool ourselves that that's not what we have here.

I think you mean that's exactly what we have here... as I've yet to see much "Good faith" from the Republicans as of January 2009....

234 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:41:04pm

re: #226 Walter L. Newton

What? I'm just clipping and pasting quotes by leftist talkers... argue with them if you have a issue.

Ed Schultz is off the wall. But the left doesn't even come close to the right with regards to loud mouthed radio and cable personalities. They also carry close to zero political clout in this country. The right wing radio and cable personalities are not only frequently unhinged but they are literally connect at the hip with the GOP.

235 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:41:06pm

re: #223 Decatur Deb

It might take hours to find three that 25 Americans in a row could identify.

I have MANY more, very identifiable, and very source-able. (I made up a word).

I'm going to work in a few minutes, but email me if you want the link to the report I pulled that from.

236 JEA62  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:41:18pm

You should do penenace for your hideous crime by allowing Blair to publicly flog you.

237 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:41:25pm

re: #234 Gus 802

...literally connected at the hip with the GOP.

238 austin_blue  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:41:50pm

re: #99 joest73

I wouldn't want to imagine what could have been the disaster of a McCain Presidency. The man is disliked on both sides. The economy was tanking regardless of who was in the White House. The media would have gone after McCain like they did with Reagan in the early 80's.

McCain the liberal would have emerged and handled the recession with equally
disastrous results as what has happened under Obama.

Carter gave us Reagan and hopefully Obama will bring us a real fiscally conservative candidate.

If by "Fiscal Conservative", you mean someone like Clinton, who raised taxes to the point where our bills were paid, then yes, I agree. And it is probably Obama.

239 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:41:52pm

re: #231 darthstar

If the Democrats had taken the Republican tack of steamrolling their policies through while they had 60 votes in the Senate, it would have been a beautiful thing. But there are too many "blue-dogs" (really, moderate Republicans) in the Democratic party for that to happen.

You know what I say... If the GOP collapses, we can have the blue dogs break off and form the asshole party.

240 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:42:16pm

re: #234 Gus 802

Ed Schultz is off the wall. But the left doesn't even come close to the right with regards to loud mouthed radio and cable personalities. They also carry close to zero political clout in this country. The right wing radio and cable personalities are not only frequently unhinged but they are literally connect at the hip with the GOP.

Email me for the link... you just don't listen to them.

241 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:42:24pm

re: #232 tradewind

It's not only my take. Most political analysts say that if Obama had tackled our most pressing problem... jobs and the economy, to the exclusion of all else until things were noticeably on the upswing, he wouldn't be in the position he's in now.

Yeah and notice how much Republicans have done to make it easy for Obama to stimulate the economy!

242 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:42:30pm

re: #230 PT Barnum

Is overreaching just another euphemism for "uppity"?

Probably. Like "aloof" earlier in the thread.

243 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:42:33pm

re: #239 windsagio

You know what I say... If the GOP collapses, we can have the blue dogs break off and form the asshole party.

DINO hunt!
Lame
:P

244 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:42:35pm

re: #239 windsagio

You know what I say... If the GOP collapses, we can have the blue dogs break off and form the asshole party.

Haven't heard Ojoe flogging the Whigs lately, did he give up?

245 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:42:50pm

re: #232 tradewind

lol. Linky?

246 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:42:59pm

I just can't stop laughing at the notion that Saint Reagan was a fiscal conservative.

247 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:43:27pm

re: #240 Walter L. Newton

Email me for the link... you just don't listen to them.

If you really, really love us... wanna research some audience size numbers?

248 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:43:35pm

re: #239 windsagio

You know what I say... If the GOP collapses, we can have the blue dogs break off and form the asshole party.

Fuck it at this point I wouldn't mind it if the blue dogs formed their own party the Democrats became an actually liberal party and the GOP became like the Dixiecrats...

249 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:43:52pm

re: #246 Cato the Elder

I just can't stop laughing at the notion that Saint Reagan was a fiscal conservative.

Clinton's the most fiscally conservative pres we had.
*Heads asplode*

250 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:44:14pm

re: #233 jamesfirecat

That last line was unclear yeah. you are correct that that's what I mean, the GOP has given up all semblencce of acting in anything but the Party's interests. Or what they think are the party's interests.

251 A Man for all Seasons  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:44:17pm

re: #135 Charles

"Shockingly racist?" No. That was hyperbole, granted. But by his own accounts Obama definitely was prejudiced toward white people in his youth.

I was prejudiced against everybody in my Youth..I didn't care what color you were..I hated everybody...I measured you at 10 yrs old.. I cut your soul with a knife in my mind..When I met good people It left a lifetime of memories...
As I grew up..I Matured...It's been a great road.. I am very lucky and blessed

252 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:44:19pm

g'night

253 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:44:26pm

re: #242 Stanley Sea

Probably. Like "aloof" earlier in the thread.

I've never thought of Obama as aloof. Preternaturally calm, perhaps, but not aloof. But that was one of the things I liked about him. I wish I had realized he doesn't do passionate though. We need someone to get passionate about solving some of these problems and taking Congress to the woodshed for not getting anything done.

254 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:44:40pm

re: #234 Gus 802

Ed Schultz is off the wall. But the left doesn't even come close to the right with regards to loud mouthed radio and cable personalities. They also carry close to zero political clout in this country. The right wing radio and cable personalities are not only frequently unhinged but they are literally connect at the hip with the GOP.

Ha... and you play Magical Balance after Windsagio asked if anyone wanted to play Magical Balance with lefty talkers... the right's talker are worst than the left's talkers... LOL.

255 tradewind  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:45:12pm

re: #225 Gus 802
This guy?
[Link: politifi.com...]
He's just going to go postal one day.
On air.

256 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:45:28pm

re: #244 PT Barnum

Haven't heard Ojoe flogging the Whigs lately, did he give up?

I think the script broke. They're workign day and night to get it back online!

257 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:45:42pm

I see many here have a fairy fetish.
NTTAWWT.

258 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:45:55pm

re: #253 PT Barnum

I've never thought of Obama as aloof. Preternaturally calm, perhaps, but not aloof. But that was one of the things I liked about him. I wish I had realized he doesn't do passionate though. We need someone to get passionate about solving some of these problems and taking Congress to the woodshed for not getting anything done.

Sadly there's not a lot the president can do to abolish the filibuster which is why congress gets nothing done these days....

259 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:45:56pm

re: #247 McSpiff

If you really, really love us... wanna research some audience size numbers?

Magical whatever fairy bite you too? Nasty talk is nasty talk.

260 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:46:31pm

re: #257 Varek Raith

I see many here have a fairy fetish.
NTTAWWT.

Windsagio asked if anyone would play... I was helping out. Seems like a lot of people jumped in to play too.

261 Linden Arden  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:46:41pm

re: #246 Cato the Elder

I just can't stop laughing at the notion that Saint Reagan was a fiscal conservative.

Forensic 80's evidence says Reagan did not understand the budget process but that David Stockman did.

When Stockman tried to tell Reagan the truth Reagan "took him to the woodshed" - a mythological moment in modern political history.

262 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:46:45pm

re: #254 Walter L. Newton

Ha... and you play Magical Balance after Windsagio asked if anyone wanted to play Magical Balance with lefty talkers... the right's talker are worst than the left's talkers... LOL.

You missed my point. My point was that they are equally "worse" (with specific talkers) but that they, the left" have little if any political influence with the Democratic party. How can anyone deny the influence of Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck on the GOP?

263 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:47:17pm

You guys shouldn't engage walter that way, you're giving him what he wants :p

The proper answer is "Yes those are awful, idiotic comments. Do you really think any of those guys are like Beck though?"

264 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:47:19pm

re: #254 Walter L. Newton

Ha... and you play Magical Balance after Windsagio asked if anyone wanted to play Magical Balance with lefty talkers... the right's talker are worst than the left's talkers... LOL.

The difference between left wing talkers and right wing talkers is that left wingers will actually admit that Ed Shultz and Jeanene Garafalo are nutjobs and that Keith Olbermann is a pompous ass. Try getting a right winger to say anything bad about Limbaugh, or Beck for example.

265 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:47:47pm

re: #256 windsagio

"Join the Whigs!"

LOL

It will take time to build a solid new party, but it will happen.

The other two are worn out.

266 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:47:58pm

re: #244 PT Barnum

Haven't heard Ojoe flogging the Whigs lately, did he give up?

They don't seem to be making much progress. Perhaps the teapartiers have sucked all the necessary anger out of the electorate.

268 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:48:06pm

re: #258 jamesfirecat

Sadly there's not a lot the president can do to abolish the filibuster which is why congress gets nothing done these days...

No but he can definitely call them on it. Reagan, like him or not, was good at taking the case directly to the people.

269 simoom  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:48:13pm

@Charles:

Some of the quotes in that Examiner article were edited to be misleading, as was their paraphrasing. Just as a quick example, from the article:

After graduating from college, Obama eventually went to Chicago to interview for a job as a community organizer. His racial attitudes came into play as he sized up the man who would become his boss. “There was something about him that made me wary,” Obama wrote. “A little too sure of himself, maybe. And white.”

The actual quote from Dreams from My Father:

There was something about him that made me wary, a little too sure of himself, maybe. And white -- he'd said himself that was a problem.

Here's the page through Google Books. It's the second to last sentence:
[Link: books.google.com...]

270 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:48:30pm

re: #264 PT Barnum

The difference between left wing talkers and right wing talkers is that left wingers will actually admit that Ed Shultz and Jeanene Garafalo are nutjobs and that Keith Olbermann is a pompous ass. Try getting a right winger to say anything bad about Limbaugh, or Beck for example.

Hey! Are you going to the Shultz-O-Palooza fest next month?

//

271 joest73  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:48:48pm

re: #204 Walter L. Newton

Yea but if a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?", well if nobody is listening to any of these liberal talk show hosts...re: #234 Gus 802

Ed Schultz is off the wall. But the left doesn't even come close to the right with regards to loud mouthed radio and cable personalities. They also carry close to zero political clout in this country. The right wing radio and cable personalities are not only frequently unhinged but they are literally connect at the hip with the GOP.

And the liberal brigade at MSNBC isn't connected to the White House talking points.... or at a minimum the "Journolist" talking points for the day?

I can look at The Daily Kos or Huff-in-Puff at noon and know what to expect to see on MSNBC that evening. Just like I can go to Drudge at noon and know what Rush will lead with each day.

272 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:48:53pm

re: #259 Walter L. Newton

Magical whatever fairy bite you too? Nasty talk is nasty talk.

Nasty talk is nasty talk, but I think if one side seems to have more of an affinity for listening to nasty talk, that's a point that needs to be discussed too.

273 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:49:02pm

re: #265 Ojoe

Thanks for taking that in good humor, I was a little afraid it was a bit over the line >>

274 tradewind  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:49:11pm

re: #262 Gus 802

It's not their fault that they don't have the numbers. If only they actually reached an audience, they'd be just as influential.

275 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:49:29pm

re: #270 Gus 802

Hey! Are you going to the Shultz-O-Palooza fest next month?

//

No..he's a fucking nutjob.

276 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:49:34pm

re: #251 HoosierHoops

I was prejudiced against everybody in my Youth..I didn't care what color you were..I hated everybody...I measured you at 10 yrs old.. I cut your soul with a knife in my mind..When I met good people It left a lifetime of memories...
As I grew up..I Matured...It's been a great road.. I am very lucky and blessed

You are such a poofter. Don't you know you're supposed to fix your hatreds in your mind by the age of ten and stick with them forever after, no matter what? I mean, get with the program, man! Don't you have any core values?

277 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:49:48pm

Modern Whig Party homepage.

You know you like 'em.

If they were already big enough, you'd probably join.

278 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:49:53pm

re: #271 joest73

Yea but if a tree falls in the forest, does it make a sound?", well if nobody is listening to any of these liberal talk show hosts...re: #234 Gus 802

And the liberal brigade at MSNBC isn't connected to the White House talking points... or at a minimum the "Journolist" talking points for the day?

I can look at The Daily Kos or Huff-in-Puff at noon and know what to expect to see on MSNBC that evening. Just like I can go to Drudge at noon and know what Rush will lead with each day.

Journolist was already debunked. Otherwise now you're bringing up some rather nuanced "Six Degrees of Separation" connections.

279 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:50:16pm

re: #275 PT Barnum

No..he's a fucking nutjob.

Since we're on the subject, I think Schultz is more utterly calculating. He wants to be a left Rush.

280 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:50:30pm

re: #272 McSpiff

Nasty talk is nasty talk, but I think if one side seems to have more of an affinity for listening to nasty talk, that's a point that needs to be discussed too.

A very astute observation.

281 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:50:35pm

re: #273 windsagio

LGF is a humor site.

No problemo.

282 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:51:12pm

By the way, WUB's computer sucks.

283 Kragar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:51:29pm

re: #276 Cato the Elder

Don't you have any core values?

1) Most people are full of shit and not to be trusted
2) Change is unavoidable
3) I like hot chicks.

284 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:51:49pm

re: #279 windsagio

Since we're on the subject, I think Schultz is more utterly calculating. He wants to be a left Rush.

I for one think it would be a shame if he succeeded. I still want to see an Independent talker who just makes fun of both sides mercilessly and draws the wrath of both sides.

285 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:52:01pm

re: #281 Ojoe

LGF is a humor site.

No problemo.

Oh..I hope so, Senor.

286 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:52:04pm

re: #283 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

1) Most people are full of shit and not to be trusted
2) Change is unavoidable
3) I like hot chicks.

I'll toast to that!

287 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:52:08pm

re: #282 windsagio

By the way, WUB's computer sucks.

What happened?

288 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:52:19pm

re: #279 windsagio

Since we're on the subject, I think Schultz is more utterly calculating. He wants to be a left Rush.

Except hardly anyone on the left cares for that kind of crap. Luckily we have the right to trot him out like he's meaningful.

289 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:52:31pm

re: #284 PT Barnum

I for one think it would be a shame if he succeeded. I still want to see an Independent talker who just makes fun of both sides mercilessly and draws the wrath of both sides.

Jon Stewart comes pretty close....

290 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:52:34pm

re: #266 Decatur Deb

The Tea Party can have the anger & good riddance to it.

I would not be promoting the Whigs if it were an angry thing. It is boring good sense instead.

291 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:52:42pm

re: #283 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)


3) I like hot chicks.

broiled, fried or roasted?

292 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:52:45pm

re: #272 McSpiff

Exactly.

293 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:52:45pm

re: #284 PT Barnum

There's Aaron MacGruder, he freaks lefties out, and has been taking shots at O some lately.

Of course he's a cartoonist, so...

294 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:53:04pm

re: #289 jamesfirecat

Jon Stewart comes pretty close...

Exactly, now we just need to get him a radio show.

295 Kragar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:53:13pm

re: #291 PT Barnum

broiled, fried or roasted?

Nekkid

296 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:53:22pm

re: #287 PT Barnum

What happened?

I'm houssitting while they're at burning man. He said I could use his PC for things like LGF, but its noisy and slow and ikcy.

297 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:53:25pm

re: #290 Ojoe

The Tea Party can have the anger & good riddance to it.

I would not be promoting the Whigs if it were an angry thing. It is boring good sense instead.

If you corner the NPR vote, that's not going to get it.

298 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:53:47pm

re: #295 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Nekkid

Raw? ewwww? Haven't you heard of salmonella? Or maybe I'm just confused..

299 joest73  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:53:49pm

re: #264 PT Barnum

The difference between left wing talkers and right wing talkers is that left wingers will actually admit that Ed Shultz and Jeanene Garafalo are nutjobs and that Keith Olbermann is a pompous ass. Try getting a right winger to say anything bad about Limbaugh, or Beck for example.

Okay..... Rush is a blowhard, Beck is a emotional wreck, Savage is a whack-job, Hannity is a mouthpiece, Levin is the forgotten policy wonk..... but every last one of them have entertaining shows.

300 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:53:56pm

re: #274 tradewind

It's not their fault that they don't have the numbers. If only they actually reached an audience, they'd be just as influential.

I think it's a matter of habits. People on the left don't find talk radio appealing which is why Air America essentially failed. The right finds talk radio and cable programming highly appealing and are drawn towards mercurial characters like Beck and Limbaugh.

301 freetoken  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:54:06pm

re: #267 recusancy

Bjorn Lomborg Now Says Climate Change “Chief Concern,” Calls for Carbon Tax

Yeah, saw that earlier today, but I don't know what to make of it.

Newsy day for AGW this Monday - put up a couple of Pages. The denial-o-sphere is trying to make hay out of the IAC report while trying their best to ignore that one of their heroes (Cuccinelli) got rebuffed in court today.

302 Kragar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:54:19pm

re: #296 windsagio

I'm houssitting while they're at burning man. He said I could use his PC for things like LGF, but its noisy and slow and ikcy.

You did put on the latex gloves before handling the mouse and keyboard?

303 tradewind  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:54:25pm

re: #282 windsagio
Why don't ya'll ask the librarian if you can move to another carrell?/

304 Linden Arden  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:54:38pm

Rush Limbaugh is a full time liar.

Now why would he blame Barney Frank for the credit crisis when BF had no chair or there is no filibuster power in the GOP dominated House?


But his fans lap it up.

305 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:54:46pm

re: #297 Decatur Deb

NPR = Nail Polish Remover?

Just kidding, it is that slow radio show.

306 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:54:52pm

re: #300 Gus 802

In fairness, enough people listen to Rhodes, Schultz, et al. In order for them to stay on the air :p

I'm a NPR nerd myself tho' >>

307 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:55:20pm

re: #299 joest73

Okay... Rush is a blowhard, Beck is a emotional wreck, Savage is a whack-job, Hannity is a mouthpiece, Levin is the forgotten policy wonk... but every last one of them have entertaining shows.

For a given definition of "entertaining"

For example "Space Mutiny" is one of the most "entertaining" movies I've ever seen.

308 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:55:25pm

re: #306 windsagio

In fairness, enough people listen to Rhodes, Schultz, et al. In order for them to stay on the air :p

I'm a NPR nerd myself tho' >>

Me too..On Point and Talk of the Nation.. Good stuff

309 Nimed  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:55:28pm

re: #183 joest73

Well then you better label just about everyone on talk radio, left or right that has 2-3 hours of air time to fill a day as "smarmy". Plenty of liberal talkies have said equally stupid things...they just don't have the audience for people to hear what stupid things they are saying.

Mmm, exactly. Lefty shock jocks are relatively much less rewarded. I doubt that was the point you were trying to make, but it's a good point.

310 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:55:56pm

re: #308 PT Barnum

Me too..On Point and Talk of the Nation.. Good stuff

"This American Life" for when nothing will do but a good cry.

311 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:56:16pm

re: #306 windsagio

In fairness, enough people listen to Rhodes, Schultz, et al. In order for them to stay on the air :p

I'm a NPR nerd myself tho' >>

Yeah. They're not completely off the air. When I say "failed" I meant failed to gain the mass listenership they were hoping for several years ago.

I used to listen to Terry Gross many moons ago.

312 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:56:24pm

I'm off to snooze a bit and then who knows..

later.

313 joest73  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:56:24pm

re: #294 PT Barnum

Exactly, now we just need to get him a radio show.

Would never work...his facial expressions are what makes Stewart funny.

314 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:56:38pm

re: #310 windsagio

"This American Life" for when nothing will do but a good cry.

Click and Clack
Celtic Connection

315 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:56:55pm

Another funny thing about this computer, since I'm complaining.

I have a note in big letters that says DO NOT TURN COMPUTER OFF NO MATTER WHAT!"

I'm really curious now >>

316 Quant  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:57:01pm

re: #55 jamesfirecat

Didn't he also have a guy on his staff who said "Americans these days are nothing but a bunch of winers" more or less in regards to how people were complaining about the recession ?

Yes. Phil Gramm of Gramm–Leach–Bliley Act fame. He was McCain's senior economic advisor until his "nation of whiners" comment.

317 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:57:04pm

re: #306 windsagio

In fairness, enough people listen to Rhodes, Schultz, et al. In order for them to stay on the air :p

I'm a NPR nerd myself tho' >>

Why do you have to spoil every comment I might agree with by putting in bad grammar, stupid abbreviations, and emoticons?

You're worse than Mandy was.

318 freetoken  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:57:12pm

re: #301 freetoken

... one of their heroes (Cuccinelli) got rebuffed in court today.

PIMF of course I meant "refudiate" ...

319 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:57:21pm

re: #310 windsagio

"This American Life" for when nothing will do but a good cry.

Oh so true!!! I listen to webcasts of all the old shows when I do my biannual house cleaning. Sadness goes well with sadness.

320 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:57:40pm

re: #310 windsagio

"This American Life" for when nothing will do but a good cry.

I hate that show. It makes me want to slap people.

321 deranged cat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:57:56pm

re: #222 windsagio

he's OP

322 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:58:05pm

re: #314 Decatur Deb

Do they still have the Celtic music show with Fiona Ritchie? The NPR station here dropped that one, Thistle & Shamrock I think it was called.

323 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:58:36pm

re: #317 Cato the Elder

I find my personal style charming!

324 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:58:47pm

re: #311 Gus 802

I used to listen to Terry Gross many moons ago.

Country music week. No, not that pop crap. Today was Jimmie Dale Gilmore and Charlie Hayden. Great show.

325 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:59:12pm

re: #322 Ojoe

Do they still have the Celtic music show with Fiona Ritchie? The NPR station here dropped that one, Thistle & Shamrock I think it was called.

Same here. We had T&S, then they picked up Celtic.

326 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 4:59:14pm

re: #99 joest73

I wouldn't want to imagine what could have been the disaster of a McCain Presidency. The man is disliked on both sides. The economy was tanking regardless of who was in the White House. The media would have gone after McCain like they did with Reagan in the early 80's.

McCain the liberal would have emerged and handled the recession with equally
disastrous results as what has happened under Obama.

Carter gave us Reagan and hopefully Obama will bring us a real fiscally conservative candidate.

Do you mean to imply that Reagan was a fiscally conservative candidate?

327 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:00:01pm

re: #315 windsagio

Another funny thing about this computer, since I'm complaining.

I have a note in big letters that says DO NOT TURN COMPUTER OFF NO MATTER WHAT!"

I'm really curious now >>

Youtube Video
328 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:00:21pm

Bugger.

329 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:00:22pm

re: #322 Ojoe

yes.

re: #320 Jeff In Ohio

I hate that show. It makes me want to slap people.

Also yes. I hear it on my way home from work. Its alternating between that and AT40 from the '70s, which is a good escape if the story is about something like "The girl who decided to commit felonies in order to go to the same prison as her mother." (Which is a real story!)

330 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:00:29pm

re: #315 windsagio

Another funny thing about this computer, since I'm complaining.

I have a note in big letters that says DO NOT TURN COMPUTER OFF NO MATTER WHAT!"

I'm really curious now >>

My brother had one that, if it was turned off, he had to open it and give a little push to the hard drive to start it back up. So he left it on all the time.

331 tradewind  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:00:56pm

re: #300 Gus 802
People on the left were begging for talk radio.
The problem is that Americans are still predominately center-right politically.
This is illustrated by the election cycle we've been in for a while. Voters flirt with electing a democratic majority, then realize that they don't agree with their policies and swing back. If the Republicans didn't usually screw up so badly by eschewing their own politics, they'd still have the WH and both houses. Maybe they'll learn.
Not optimistic, though.

332 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:01:00pm

re: #319 Stanley Sea

re: #320 Jeff In Ohio

Bing bang, made me laugh out loud.

333 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:01:07pm

re: #324 Jeff In Ohio

Specially for you, Gallo del Cielo Tom Russell

334 Kragar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:01:14pm

re: #307 jamesfirecat

For a given definition of "entertaining"

For example "Space Mutiny" is one of the most "entertaining" movies I've ever seen.

If you're refering to the original and not the MST3k Enhanced version, I will be forced to beat you with a length of garden hose filled with buck shot.

335 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:01:54pm

re: #319 Stanley Sea

lol I missed this comment. Now I'm gonna go to their site and find some despair to share :P

336 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:02:25pm

re: #334 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If you're refering to the original and not the MST3k Enhanced version, I will be forced to beat you with a length of garden hose filled with buck shot.

"Bob Johnson! Oh, wait."

337 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:02:43pm

re: #315 windsagio

Another funny thing about this computer, since I'm complaining.

I have a note in big letters that says DO NOT TURN COMPUTER OFF NO MATTER WHAT!"

I'm really curious now >>

You're friends, he knows you, and he's just concerned that you wouldn't be able to turn it back on again?

338 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:03:07pm

re: #333 Ojoe

Specially for you, Gallo del Cielo Tom Russell

Oh man, I hate that song. Seriously, a cock-fighting ballad?

339 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:03:10pm

re: #334 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

If you're refering to the original and not the MST3k Enhanced version, I will be forced to beat you with a length of garden hose filled with buck shot.

Its an "entertaining" movie to watch because it offers you ample chances to mock it.

Just like Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck...

340 Kragar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:03:55pm

re: #336 Varek Raith

"Bob Johnson! Oh, wait."

(pause)...AAAGGGHHH!!!...(pause)...jumps from the waxing machine, I mean, futuristic space car

341 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:04:19pm

re: #337 Cato the Elder

I'd rather think its a 'speed' scenario. If the HD spins below a certain RPM, the house explodes!

342 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:04:48pm

Dog duty--BBL

343 Jeff In Ohio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:04:52pm

re: #333 Ojoe

Specially for you, Gallo del Cielo Tom Russell

Thanks man, I booked marked it and will give it a listen when my 12 year old is yelling at me to turn it down.

344 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:05:33pm

re: #338 wrenchwench

The birds are naturally soaked in testosterone & they want to fight.

& I like the song for the California geography in it too.

Santa Clara. How many songs have that?

345 Varek Raith  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:05:36pm

Later gators.

346 windsagio  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:06:14pm

yeah I think I'm off for now. Talk to you folks later.

Gotta feed these damn cats!

347 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:06:32pm

Obama: 'I Can't Spend All My Time With My Birth Certificate Plastered On My Forehead'

Ha!!

348 Nimed  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:06:47pm

re: #326 Renaissance_Man

Do you mean to imply that Reagan was a fiscally conservative candidate?

Pretty hilarious, isn't it? Reagan essentially dug Bush I's grave with his runaway deficit. But the myth persists!

The last GOP President to leave office with a smaller deficit than at the time he entered was Ike.

349 Ojoe  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:06:53pm

BBL

350 The Shadow Do  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:08:13pm

I really have no regrets for voting McCain. I still believe he was the better man for the job as his track record is pretty clear on frivolous spending by Congress and a strong defense of American interests. The Palin thing became troubling obviously before the vote but I gave it a pass at the time given the cloud of war as it were. It is clear now it was a cynical reaction to the polls reinforced by the quick distancing after his non-election.

Sadly, he missed his time in 2000. That is when I think he would have made a real difference in heading off the fiscal conflagration we are in and it is anyone's guess how he would have handled Afghanistan, Iraq etc. Probably an opportunity missed for the nation but we will never know.

351 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:08:28pm

re: #269 simoom

@Charles:

Some of the quotes in that Examiner article were edited to be misleading, as was their paraphrasing. Just as a quick example, from the article:

The actual quote from Dreams from My Father:

Here's the page through Google Books. It's the second to last sentence:
[Link: books.google.com...]

Good catch! I'd completely forgotten about this post before Blair dug it up to use it as a cudgel.

But I read Dreams From My Father earlier this year, and yeah -- that quote was definitely distorted.

That's another thing I don't do any more -- link to articles from the Examiner. They publish a lot of absolute rubbish from creationists, birthers, you name it.

352 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:10:54pm

re: #344 Ojoe

The birds are naturally soaked in testosterone & they want to fight.

& I like the song for the California geography in it too.

Santa Clara. How many songs have that?

Here are three albums full of California geography and history. Enjoy!

Chavez Ravine

My Name Is Buddy

I, Flathead

And no fighting chickens, although there are cats, mice, and a green dog.

353 tradewind  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:11:03pm

re: #323 windsagio
You could learn a lot from Cato.
How and when to add extraneous
'w's to the spelling of proper names to indicate a speech defect. The impossibility of a niece carrying any percentage of her uncle's DNA. Where to hide when the ethnic cleansing squads finally mobilize in our streets.///
Become even more charming!

354 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:12:02pm

you know why we're screwed? because the dems' economic policies suck and the repubs' social policies suck. so whichever way we go, the "suck-age" is unavoidable.

355 brownbagj  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:14:12pm

Shouldn't the past Congress' have some responsibilities for the debt?

It seems we blame presidents, but they just sign the papers. The Congress is where the budget comes from.

The republicans only talk a good game when it comes to fiscal responsibility. Once they had both houses, they spent like drunk sailors.

It just seems to me that what does resonate with the public at large is small, smart and efficient government and staying the hell out of our personal lives.

It resonates with me anyway. It just seems neither party is interested in that. Too many payoffs once they get elected.

I hate to sound so pessimistic, but I see neither party really concerned with anything but getting themselves re-elected and pandering to whoever they need to pander to so they can get their vote.

I don't know what will change this, as it seems power corrupts even those who go to DC with good intentions.

The Democrats do this and the Republicans do this too. They just have different groups they pander to.

The Republicans cut taxes but borrow money so they don't have to make tough budget decisions and the Democrats raise taxes and keep spending.

Seriously, why can't we balance the budget, by (and this may sound crazy) spending within our means?

356 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:14:15pm

re: #352 wrenchwench

Here are three albums full of California geography and history. Enjoy!

Chavez Ravine

My Name Is Buddy

I, Flathead

And no fighting chickens, although there are cats, mice, and a green dog.

Three of the greatest records of the last 10 years.

357 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:14:29pm

re: #331 tradewind

People on the left were begging for talk radio.
The problem is that Americans are still predominately center-right politically.
This is illustrated by the election cycle we've been in for a while. Voters flirt with electing a democratic majority, then realize that they don't agree with their policies and swing back. If the Republicans didn't usually screw up so badly by eschewing their own politics, they'd still have the WH and both houses. Maybe they'll learn.
Not optimistic, though.

I wonder which policies you mean. I am no expert, but as I understand it, public support for traditional Democrat policies such as Medicare and unemployment benefits is generally broad and widespread. I suppose public support for those imaginary Democrat policies such as bankrupting America, forcing everyone into gay relationships, and turning America into a Communist state while forcing Republicans into re-education camps would be low.

It's always a popular and easy claim to make that politicians would enjoy permanent majorities if they were only 'conservative enough', I guess. It might be easier to believe if it had ever happened at any time, or was ever likely to actually happen.

358 tradewind  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:14:38pm

re: #354 _RememberTonyC
It's easier to ignore the social policies
that you hate, though. ( Yeah, I know there are exception that can be shown).
Not a lot you can personally do with an almost-10% jobless rate and a deficit out the window.

359 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:16:12pm

Chavez Ravine in particular is just amazing. A very deep record.

360 Nimed  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:16:15pm

re: #331 tradewind

People on the left were begging for talk radio.
The problem is that Americans are still predominately center-right politically.
This is illustrated by the election cycle we've been in for a while. Voters flirt with electing a democratic majority, then realize that they don't agree with their policies and swing back. If the Republicans didn't usually screw up so badly by eschewing their own politics, they'd still have the WH and both houses. Maybe they'll learn.
Not optimistic, though.

Another fun myth is the "center-right nation". This one is particularly absurd since it requires the "center" to be defined by a mysterious exterior entity besides the voters (you see, something is the center, and Americans are to the right of that).

The bastions of the left today (there's nothing permanent about this) are not in talk radio or TV mostly due to content or demographics. Younger, more urban people drive relatively less and see that much TV, and are put off by some guy ranting about how Mexicans, blacks and gays are going to ruin the country.

361 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:16:58pm

Fire at Tennessee Mosque building site ruled arson

362 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:17:02pm

re: #356 Charles

Three of the greatest records of the last 10 years.

And he managed to work J. Edgar Hoover into each one. I think of them as the Hoover trilogy.

363 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:17:09pm

In fact, I had to put on Chavez Ravine right now.

364 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:18:50pm

re: #363 Charles

In fact, I had to put on Chavez Ravine right now.

Have you ever met Ry?

365 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:19:14pm

re: #358 tradewind

It's easier to ignore the social policies
that you hate, though. ( Yeah, I know there are exception that can be shown).
Not a lot you can personally do with an almost-10% jobless rate and a deficit out the window.

which is why the repubs will win in november. but the next congress needs to be mature and not pander to the social conservatives. they neeed to convince the administration and their own base that fixing the economy FIRST and worrying about social agendas later is the way to go. and then they have to walk the walk, not just talk the talk.

366 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:19:18pm

re: #364 wrenchwench

Have you ever met Ry?

Nope.

367 tradewind  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:19:21pm

re: #357 Renaissance_Man
There's not a lot of public support for this particular health care initiative ( whatever it is), there's not support for suing a state because it enacts a law it feels it needs to help protect its citizens , there's not support for higher taxes, there's not support for increased regulation of small business, etc. I would even say there is no majority support for any new entitlements.
Medicare and SS are decades old, and have been encoded into the DNA of the nation. A demographically different nation, as well, with a shorter life expectancy.
Doesn't mean that they both aren't going to experience problems that at this point appear daunting.

368 tradewind  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:19:50pm

re: #361 Stanley Sea
Did anyone actually think it was lightening, or a forest fire?//

369 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:20:52pm

re: #361 Stanley Sea

Fire at Tennessee Mosque building site ruled arson

And here I thought those earth-moving rigs set themselves on fire, because they don't like mosques!

370 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:21:08pm

re: #359 Charles

Chavez Ravine in particular is just amazing. A very deep record.


my favorite baseball park is in chavez ravine ... you may have heard of it ... it's also known as Dodger Stadium.

371 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:22:09pm

Here's a link to a single, as I hit the road.

372 tradewind  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:22:22pm

re: #365 _RememberTonyC
From your lips.
As I said, I don't have a lot of faith that the Republicans will have learned anything from their last defeat. You would think.
It is too bad that legislators are so bound to party affiliations, nationally.
Locally, we still split tickets routinely, and vote for the best person. Some of them are still Democrats, even in the backward South.//

373 Kragar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:22:24pm

re: #369 Cato the Elder

And here I thought those earth-moving rigs set themselves on fire, because they don't like mosques!

They were Buddhist earth moving rigs?

374 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:22:26pm

re: #370 _RememberTonyC

my favorite baseball park is in chavez ravine ... you may have heard of it ... it's also known as Dodger Stadium.

That's what the album is about.

375 austin_blue  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:22:36pm

re: #364 wrenchwench

Have you ever met Ry?

He used to be the rhythm guitarist in the Steve Miller Band (one of the great live shows I've ever attended- back in '75).

376 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:23:49pm

re: #372 tradewind

From your lips.
As I said, I don't have a lot of faith that the Republicans will have learned anything from their last defeat. You would think.
It is too bad that legislators are so bound to party affiliations, nationally.
Locally, we still split tickets routinely, and vote for the best person. Some of them are still Democrats, even in the backward South.//

same here in connecticut ... we're pretty blue in the senate and congress, but our governor is usually republican.

377 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:24:41pm
Youtube Video

Seems appropriate.

378 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:24:58pm

re: #374 wrenchwench

That's what the album is about.

baseball? cool. Dodger Stadium is an amazing ballpark. have you ever been there?

379 EdDantes  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:25:07pm

re: #370 _RememberTonyC

Is your nic a reference to Tony Conigliaro?

380 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:25:55pm

re: #377 TheMatrix31

[Video]Seems appropriate.

Why don't you go join Mandy wherever she's having her whine-a-thon?

381 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:25:59pm

re: #379 EdDantes

Is your nic a reference to Tony Conigliaro?

indeed it is ... millions of updings for you

382 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:26:09pm

re: #361 Stanley Sea

Fire at Tennessee Mosque building site ruled arson

Seems like a pretty obvious case of arson with the gasoline poured on the equipment.
Any update on the unconfirmed gunshots?

383 tradewind  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:26:30pm

re: #360 Nimed

[Link: www.gallup.com...]
I didn't make up the survey results that show that when given a choice between ' tend liberal ' or ' tend conservative ', more people chose the latter.

384 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:26:49pm

re: #380 Cato the Elder

What?

385 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:27:02pm

I was gonna make that same mistake until McCain wheeled out Sarah Palin.

I stayed home.

386 wrenchwench  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:28:02pm

re: #378 _RememberTonyC

baseball? cool. Dodger Stadium is an amazing ballpark. have you ever been there?

The album is about the stadium being built, and the community it replaced. My dad took me to a game there in the 60's, or maybe early 70's, I don't remember very well because I was so young. Isn't the LA Zoo there too?

Anyway, I'm out 'til tomorrow. Later, lizards!

387 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:29:13pm

re: #382 Spare O'Lake

Seems like a pretty obvious case of arson with the gasoline poured on the equipment.
Any update on the unconfirmed gunshots?

Here's a pretty detailed story about it.

[Link: www.dnj.com...]

388 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:29:29pm

Hmm. Another possible work project. Fingers crossed. I better get a haircut.

389 tradewind  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:29:35pm

Outie.

390 captdiggs  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:30:00pm

re: #385 negativ

I was gonna make that same mistake until McCain wheeled out Sarah Palin.

I stayed home.

I think that was the primary reason he lost.
Had he brought in a Tom Ridge of someone feasible, the election could have been different, and certainly a lot closer.

391 Amory Blaine  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:30:28pm

re: #360 Nimed

Another fun myth is the "center-right nation". This one is particularly absurd since it requires the "center" to be defined by a mysterious exterior entity besides the voters (you see, something is the center, and Americans are to the right of that).

The bastions of the left today (there's nothing permanent about this) are not in talk radio or TV mostly due to content or demographics. Younger, more urban people drive relatively less and see that much TV, and are put off by some guy ranting about how Mexicans, blacks and gays are going to ruin the country.

Prepare for endless "investigations" when the GOP takes power. That's about all they'll accomplish.

392 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:30:43pm

re: #386 wrenchwench

The album is about the stadium being built, and the community it replaced. My dad took me to a game there in the 60's, or maybe early 70's, I don't remember very well because I was so young. Isn't the LA Zoo there too?

Anyway, I'm out 'til tomorrow. Later, lizards!

thanks ... I didn't know the history behind chavez ravine (pre dodgers), but maybe i need to learn about it.

393 Kragar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:31:40pm

re: #391 Amory Blaine

Prepare for endless "investigations" when the GOP takes power. That's about all they'll accomplish.

I'm getting tired of "We'll launch a full investigation into all of them" being a standard campaign promise when both sides are complicit.

394 Amory Blaine  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:32:00pm

re: #390 captdiggs

I think that was the primary reason he lost.
Had he brought in a Tom Ridge of someone feasible, the election could have been different, and certainly a lot closer.

IDK the republicans were a pretty toxic brand. Even the self described maveric couldn't beat Obama.

395 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:32:00pm

Next on my early evening Monday Metallica Mix

Youtube Video

Rock on.

396 Amory Blaine  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:33:07pm

re: #393 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I'm getting tired of "We'll launch a full investigation into all of them" being a standard campaign promise when both sides are complicit.

No they'll do to Obama what they did to Clinton, throw every thing they can at him until something sticks.

397 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:33:11pm

re: #354 _RememberTonyC

you know why we're screwed? because the dems' economic policies suck and the repubs' social policies suck. so whichever way we go, the "suck-age" is unavoidable.

The republicans economic policies also suck. In fact, they suck worse than the Democrats economic policies.

Democratic economic policies are half-baked, with a lot of missing ingredients. Republican economic policies deny the need for cooking.

398 captdiggs  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:33:41pm

re: #394 Amory Blaine

IDK the republicans were a pretty toxic brand. Even the self described maveric couldn't beat Obama.

McCain was ahead of Obama in the polls until two things occurred.
The economy tanked, and Palin.

But, it's all what ifs at this point.

399 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:34:34pm

re: #397 Obdicut

The republicans economic policies also suck. In fact, they suck worse than the Democrats economic policies.

Democratic economic policies are half-baked, with a lot of missing ingredients. Republican economic policies deny the need for cooking.

since the dems took over congress in 2006, the economy has gone straight downhill. fact.

400 Surabaya Stew  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:34:35pm

re: #390 captdiggs

I think that was the primary reason he lost.
Had he brought in a Tom Ridge of someone feasible, the election could have been different, and certainly a lot closer.

Dare I bring up the 2008 version of Mitt Romney as a far better Veep for McCain? There's a candiate who could have been of imense use to the GOP during the fiancial Crisis in September '08! But no, the bigots in the "big tent" party couldn't stomach having a mormon running for high-office.

401 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:34:36pm

re: #389 tradewind

Outie.

Yes, you are.

402 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:34:44pm

re: #398 captdiggs

McCain was ahead of Obama in the polls until two things occurred.
The economy tanked, and Palin.

But, it's all what ifs at this point.

McCain was never really ahead of Obama, except in a few Rasmussen polls - even Fox put Obama ahead in their polls.

403 ShaunP  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:36:15pm

re: #399 _RememberTonyC

since the dems took over congress in 2006, the economy has gone straight downhill. fact.

If you argued that 1990's democratic policies contributed, I'd give this post more credit...

404 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:36:19pm

have a good night, all

405 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:36:27pm

Beck launches new website

Mediaite has the exclusive details about a news and opinion website Beck is launching tonight. Here’s what to expect.

Beck’s new site is called TheBlaze.com, and will be edited by Scott Baker, formerly of Breitbart TV and host of “The B-Cast”.

[Link: www.mediaite.com...]

406 EdDantes  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:37:28pm

re: #381 _RememberTonyC

I remember what a phenomenal player he was was. I also remember that pitch.

407 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:37:31pm

re: #403 ShaunP

If you argued that 1990's democratic policies contributed, I'd give this post more credit...

bill clinton was good ... i voted for him twice

408 _RememberTonyC  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:38:15pm

re: #406 EdDantes

I remember what a phenomenal player he was was. I also remember that pitch.

8/18/67 ... a dark day in sports history. gotta run!

409 captdiggs  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:38:18pm

re: #402 darthstar

McCain was never really ahead of Obama, except in a few Rasmussen polls - even Fox put Obama ahead in their polls.

Even Gallup had Mccain ahead in late September.

Not that this matters now

410 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:39:29pm

Actually, if you look at the GDP growth rate you'll see it started heading downward in 2004.

[Link: www.google.com...]

411 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:39:31pm

re: #384 TheMatrix31

What?

She's an ex-Mandy.

412 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:39:46pm

re: #409 captdiggs

Even Gallup had Mccain ahead in late September.

Not that this matters now

Hey, you're WINNING!!! Whoo-hoo!

413 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:40:13pm

re: #399 _RememberTonyC

since the dems took over congress in 2006, the economy has gone straight downhill. fact.

Well, no. It's now actually coming back up again. But yes, the economy did go downwards. Because of the default credit swap debacle. You may have heard something about it.

What I'm talking about are actual economic policies, not what the economy does while particular people are in congress. As in, what they say their policies are. Currently, the Republicans are defined by two main groups, economically: The Paulian types, who want to 'audit the fed' (it's audited every year, anyway, and this will only give Congress more bully power over the economy), return to the gold standard, and have other whackaloon Austrian economics ideas.

The other group are the phony anti-spenders, the ones who loudly talk about how bad it is for the government to spend so much money but somehow can never specifically say what they'll cut of any significance, and, after protesting against the stimulus, use its funds with abandon, even bragging about what they've accomplished with them for the economy.

414 Gus  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:40:19pm

But the GDP has still been climbing even through 2006.

[Link: www.google.com...]

415 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:41:26pm

re: #411 Cato the Elder

She's an ex-Mandy.

Let's have a little respect for the banned...I'm sure she's perfectly happy over at FreeRepublic or RedState by now. The internet is a big place...there's somewhere for everyone.

416 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:41:31pm

re: #391 Amory Blaine

Prepare for endless "investigations" when the GOP takes power. That's about all they'll accomplish.

That worked out real well the last time they tried that, didn't it.

And yeah, I'm sure they'll try. I wouldn't be shocked to see a birth certificate hearing.

417 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:41:51pm

re: #411 Cato the Elder

Who?

418 captdiggs  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:42:34pm

re: #415 darthstar

Let's have a little respect for the banned...

She was "banned"?

419 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:43:16pm

re: #417 TheMatrix31

Who?

WTF? Downding me and continue to bait Cato? Someone piss in your porridge this morning?

420 BishopX  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:43:36pm

re: #418 captdiggs

She got into a fight with Charles.

421 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:44:05pm

re: #418 captdiggs

She was "banned"?

banned, blocked, whatever. It's not my blog. I don't make the decisions and I won't question them.

422 Racer X  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:44:41pm

What has Biden accomplished as VP?

So far it looks like he is just a cheerleader for Obama. I liked McCain - still do. I think McCain probably would have done many things the same as Obama, with a few differences. Sara would have been his cheerleader - nothing more.

Obama did not cause the financial mess. Congress did. I'm still waiting for them to fix it.

Perception is reality. Most of the country still is under the perception that we are fucked. It is the presidents job to change that perception.

423 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:45:21pm

re: #418 captdiggs

She was "banned"?

No quotie fingers needed. She was banned from posting here.

424 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:45:37pm

re: #417 TheMatrix31

Who?

Mandy.

425 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:45:41pm

re: #422 Racer X

Congress didn't cause the economic meltdown, either. They failed to prevent it. Hardly the same thing.

426 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:46:04pm

re: #422 Racer X

What has Biden accomplished as VP?

So far it looks like he is just a cheerleader for Obama. I liked McCain - still do. I think McCain probably would have done many things the same as Obama, with a few differences. Sara would have been his cheerleader - nothing more.

Obama did not cause the financial mess. Congress did. I'm still waiting for them to fix it.

Perception is reality. Most of the country still is under the perception that we are fucked. It is the presidents job to change that perception.

McCain might yet die in the next few years, and the stress of being president wouldn't have helped his ticker then, President Sarah Palin.....

Also McCain said he would have started up a five year spending freeze, so don't say he would have done "many things the same as Obama" and expect me to buy it....

427 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:46:07pm

re: #425 Obdicut

Congress didn't cause the economic meltdown, either. They failed to prevent it. Hardly the same thing.

Repealing regulations is awfully close to causing in my eyes.

428 lostlakehiker  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:46:28pm
I’d like to express my sincere and utmost regret that I voted for John McCain and Sarah Palin, instead of Barack Obama.

If I could go back in time and reverse that vote, knowing what I know today, I would.

I’m sorry, Nation.


Perfectly excusable. I held my nose and voted the other way, and knowing what I now know, I'd hold it tighter and vote the same as I did. Still---yeesh, couldn't this man get around to the important questions of our future energy system, our economy, and the national debt? Health care reform would have been nice but it shouldn't have been put first, and what was enacted is a dog's breakfast which will require a lot of expensive corrective surgery.

429 Nimed  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:46:32pm

re: #383 tradewind

[Link: www.gallup.com...]
I didn't make up the survey results that show that when given a choice between ' tend liberal ' or ' tend conservative ', more people chose the latter.

That argument would be convincing if the labels actually corresponded to what are generally understood as left-wing or right-wing policies. The problem is that the "conservative" and "liberal" (or "progressive") labels break down when the public is asked specific policy positions -- many "conservatives" unsuspectingly support very "liberal" positions (like favoring more progressive taxation or opposing cuts in Social Security and Medicare).

430 captdiggs  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:47:05pm

re: #423 McSpiff

That's a shame, really. I don't know the particulars, but it's still a shame.

431 Boondock St. Bender  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:47:10pm

re: #370 _RememberTonyC

Now manny free!!!

432 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:47:18pm

re: #419 darthstar

WTF? Downding me and continue to bait Cato? Someone piss in your porridge this morning?

I downdinged you because you said "lets have respect for the banned" then go and say she's at a cesspool like RedState or FreeRepublic, like that's some sort of inevitable result.

And I have no idea where you got that I'm baiting Cato. He said "she's an ex-Mandy" and I have no idea what that means.

433 Racer X  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:47:21pm

re: #426 jamesfirecat

McCain might yet die in the next few years, and the stress of being president wouldn't have helped his ticker then, President Sarah Palin...

Also McCain said he would have started up a five year spending freeze, so don't say he would have done "many things the same as Obama" and expect me to buy it...

You're saying McCain would have frozen all government spending?

434 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:47:35pm

re: #422 Racer X

Sara would have been his cheerleader - nothing more.

Because nobody would be stupid enough to actually let her preside over the Senate?

435 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:48:05pm

re: #424 Cato the Elder

Alright, I know that.

436 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:48:35pm

re: #432 TheMatrix31

I downdinged you because you said "lets have respect for the banned" then go and say she's at a cesspool like RedState or FreeRepublic, like that's some sort of inevitable result.

And I have no idea where you got that I'm baiting Cato. He said "she's an ex-Mandy" and I have no idea what that means.

It means you're going to have to find someone else to auto-upding.

437 Obdicut  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:48:45pm

re: #427 McSpiff

Repealing regulations is awfully close to causing in my eyes.

There weren't any regulations repealed that led to it, though. There was a lack of regulation that led to it, but not repeals. Glass-Steagal's repeal had very little, almost nothing, to do with the meltdown.

Any set of financial regulations that are static will always fail in the end, anyway. The metamarkets are adaptive, and will evolve to exploit any weaknesses in the regulations. It's a Red Queen scenario.

438 brownbagj  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:48:53pm

re: #430 captdiggs

Look through the thread yesterday labeled "Report: Shots Fired Near Tennessee Mosque Site."

Though it seems to have been building for a while. I have no idea about the history.

439 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:49:21pm

re: #430 captdiggs

That's a shame, really. I don't know the particulars, but it's still a shame.

Well, if you wanna see it, its all a matter of public record. It was a thread from the other night.

440 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:49:28pm

re: #433 Racer X

You're saying McCain would have frozen all government spending?

Not all government spending, but all government spending besides entitlements and defense.

At least if he'd stayed true to his words which much as it pains me to say it, isn't exactly John McCain's strong suit under pressure.

The would have been no stimulus and don't try to sell me on that being a good thing either....

441 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:49:29pm

I'm sorry to see Mandy gone.......

She got a bit testy with me the other night, and I was prepping myself to start picking on her.

442 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:49:46pm

re: #432 TheMatrix31

Whatever, mary.

443 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:50:06pm

Oh my. I seem to have upset the Sparrow.

444 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:50:28pm

re: #436 Cato the Elder

Do you have problems with people who auto downding?

445 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:51:06pm

re: #388 Gus 802

Hmm. Another possible work project. Fingers crossed. I better get a haircut.

Put down the bowl!
///

446 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:51:13pm

re: #444 TheMatrix31

Do you have problems with people who auto downding?

I did, but I found stretching first helps.

447 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:52:27pm

re: #443 Cato the Elder

Oh my. I seem to have upset the Sparrow.

Mmm the 'lake has been giving his downdinger a good workout lately. If you play it with too much you'll go blind!

448 lostlakehiker  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:53:39pm

re: #223 Decatur Deb

It might take hours to find three that 25 Americans in a row could identify.


You think 25 Americans in a row could identify ANY three prominent American political commentators? Maybe, just maybe, they'd get Rush Limbaugh and Oprah Winfrey. After that, or really, before that, I'm betting the other way.

449 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:54:01pm

re: #371 wrenchwench

Here's a link to a single, as I hit the road.

For a second there, I thought you were giving me a link to a hot young grrrl.

Still good, though.

450 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:54:25pm

re: #447 McSpiff

God forbid he uses a function of the site to vote up or down what he sees as agreeable. I don't see you or Cato bitching about others who "auto" up or down something.

I guess it just bothers you guys when someone you don't particularly care for does it.

451 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:54:42pm

re: #447 McSpiff

Mmm the 'lake has been giving his downdinger a good workout lately. If you play it with too much you'll go blind!

It's something I learned here recently...I can't seem to recall who was being auto-dinged tho.

452 lostlakehiker  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:55:00pm

re: #447 McSpiff

Mmm the 'lake has been giving his downdinger a good workout lately. If you play it with too much you'll go blind!

Nah. It'll just morph into an updinger.

BooHiss

453 Cato the Elder  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:55:41pm

re: #444 TheMatrix31

Do you have problems with people who auto downding?

I have deep and abiding problems with fools. As you should know better than anyone.

454 Racer X  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:56:32pm

re: #446 McSpiff

I did, but I found stretching first helps.

Yuck!

LOL!

455 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:56:48pm

re: #453 Cato the Elder

I do.

456 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:56:50pm

re: #450 TheMatrix31

God forbid he uses a function of the site to vote up or down what he sees as agreeable. I don't see you or Cato bitching about others who "auto" up or down something.

I guess it just bothers you guys when someone you don't particularly care for does it.

I think people who down ding the "good afternoon!" or "good night!" posts. If you're on that much auto-pilot, try not to drown in your soup.

457 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:57:57pm

re: #456 McSpiff

I think people who down ding the "good afternoon!" or "good night!" posts are moronic. If you're on that much auto-pilot, try not to drown in your soup.

PIMF

458 EdDantes  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:58:11pm

What is an auto down ding?

459 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:58:33pm

re: #448 lostlakehiker

You think 25 Americans in a row could identify ANY three prominent American political commentators? Maybe, just maybe, they'd get Rush Limbaugh and Oprah Winfrey. After that, or really, before that, I'm betting the other way.

Rush Limbaugh, Oprah Winfrey, and Jon Stewart the most trusted name in news!

460 ShaunP  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:58:46pm

re: #458 EdDantes

What is an auto down ding?

I don't like xx, so I'm going to downding everything xx writes...

461 TheMatrix31  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:59:41pm

re: #460 ShaunP

I don't like Dos Equis either.

462 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 5:59:51pm

re: #456 McSpiff

I think people who down ding the "good afternoon!" or "good night!" posts. If you're on that much auto-pilot, try not to drown in your soup.

Or when somebody who never comments goes through a thread down-dinging every comment by a particular person. I consider that counter-productive behavior and if I see it happening in the LGF Spy I'll block that account.

463 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:00:04pm

re: #458 EdDantes

What is an auto down ding?

Check the dings on this comment:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

re: #397 McSpiff

Alright, sleep, later.

Now, do you think Spare objected to what I was saying, or just the fact that it was posted by me?

464 ShaunP  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:00:52pm

re: #461 TheMatrix31

I don't like Dos Equis either.

Well played, sir...

465 Dancing along the light of day  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:01:26pm

re: #462 Charles

The dinger appears to be a good tool for you!

466 EdDantes  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:01:32pm

re: #460 ShaunP

I don't like xx, so I'm going to downding everything xx writes...

Thank you. I thought it was a feature that allowed you to down ding anything a particular poster said.

467 McSpiff  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:01:32pm

re: #462 Charles

Or when somebody who never comments goes through a thread down-dinging every comment by a particular person. I consider that counter-productive behavior and if I see it happening in the LGF Spy I'll block that account.

I consider that worse, I just find what some people downding funny.

468 Mr Pancakes  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:01:40pm

re: #370 _RememberTonyC

my favorite baseball park is in chavez ravine ... you may have heard of it ... it's also known as Dodger Stadium.

If I remember correctly the album has to do with Hispanics that were displaced when they built the stadium. Of course I could be totally wrong.

469 brownbagj  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:01:46pm

re: #463 McSpiff

Maybe Spare wanted to keep talking and hated to see you go to bed?

//

470 EdDantes  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:03:13pm

re: #461 TheMatrix31

I don't like Dos Equis either.

The most interesting man in world does.

471 lostlakehiker  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:03:19pm

re: #301 freetoken

Yeah, saw that earlier today, but I don't know what to make of it.

Newsy day for AGW this Monday - put up a couple of Pages. The denial-o-sphere is trying to make hay out of the IAC report while trying their best to ignore that one of their heroes (Cuccinelli) got rebuffed in court today.

This is interesting. There are any number of perfectly sane folk out there who have not (yet) given sufficient thought to the question of AGW to penetrate the smokescreens the denialist industry is putting up, or to get past the natural human reluctance to believe that the earth, in its present state, is not as eternal as the hills.

(The hills, of course, are not eternal; mountain ranges rise and fall, and the upper stretches of Everest contain seabed fossils.)

I've been disappointed with Lomborg for having used his considerable wit and erudition in the service of the wrong side. He's welcome in our camp. Better late than never.

472 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:04:41pm

I'm sorry, but I just can't agree. While I do agree that Tim Blair is a monomaniacal dumbass, I firmly believe that voting for McCain in 2008 was the correct choice. Based on that, I had to downding this post. I have to call this voltre-face on 2008 a mistake. I agree with Charles most of the time and I normally applaud him even when I don't. But this time I have to dissent.

473 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:06:37pm

re: #472 Dark_Falcon

That's it, dude! You are OUT OF HERE!

/kidding

474 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:07:28pm

re: #472 Dark_Falcon

I'm sorry, but I just can't agree. While I do agree that Tim Blair is a monomaniacal dumbass, I firmly believe that voting for McCain in 2008 was the correct choice. Based on that, I had to downding this post. I have to call this voltre-face on 2008 a mistake. I agree with Charles most of the time and I normally applaud him even when I don't. But this time I have to dissent.

What would have McCain done that would leave us so much better off than where we currently are?

Spit in the face of Keynesian Economics?

[Link: www.washingtonmonthly.com...]

475 brownbagj  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:08:12pm

re: #473 Charles

See the violence in the system! We are being oppressed!

476 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:11:29pm

re: #472 Dark_Falcon

I'm sorry, but I just can't agree. While I do agree that Tim Blair is a monomaniacal dumbass, I firmly believe that voting for McCain in 2008 was the correct choice. Based on that, I had to downding this post. I have to call this voltre-face on 2008 a mistake. I agree with Charles most of the time and I normally applaud him even when I don't. But this time I have to dissent.

And who could have known what a lousy job McCain was not going to do?

477 captdiggs  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:11:34pm

re: #472 Dark_Falcon

If it's any consolation. I think Obama is a one term president.
When Letterman is already making jokes about Obama as a one termer, the party's over.

478 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:12:27pm

re: #477 captdiggs

If it's any consolation. I think Obama is a one term president.
When Letterman is already making jokes about Obama as a one termer, the party's over.

But you've been wrong about a host of other things, so I tend to take that with a handful of salt.

479 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:14:07pm

re: #476 Spare O'Lake

And who could have known what a lousy job McCain was not going to do?

We could look at what he promised to do as Candidate McCain and extrapolate how effective those policies would be given our situation.

At least unless John McCain wasn't just lieing his head off to get elected....

480 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:14:33pm

re: #477 captdiggs

If it's any consolation. I think Obama is a one term president.
When Letterman is already making jokes about Obama as a one termer, the party's over.

Who will the Republicans run to beat him in 2012?

481 captdiggs  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:15:40pm

re: #478 Charles

No one knows, but that's what I think.
A lot depends on who he runs against.

He'll never, ever have the same blind faith following that got him elected..
But overall, the economy is going to do him in. He's already lost a huge number of independents and other blocks that voted for him.
Another huge question mark is Iran. If Iran ends up with a nuclear weapon on his watch, he's done.

482 darthstar  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:16:45pm

re: #477 captdiggs

If it's any consolation. I think Obama is a one term president.
When Letterman is already making jokes about Obama as a one termer, the party's over.

Leno still makes Clinton-Lewinsky jokes. WTF does a late night host have to do with politics?

483 brownbagj  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:16:55pm

re: #481 captdiggs

This all depends on if the Republicans try to run a socon or not. A small government fiscal conservative who stays out of the private lives of Americans would have a good shot.

I am still looking for that candidate.

484 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:17:19pm

re: #481 captdiggs

No one knows, but that's what I think.
A lot depends on who he runs against.

He'll never, ever have the same blind faith following that got him elected..
But overall, the economy is going to do him in. He's already lost a huge number of independents and other blocks that voted for him.
Another huge question mark is Iran. If Iran ends up with a nuclear weapon on his watch, he's done.

Yeah because North Korea getting a nuke under Bush so made Jon McCain have no hope of winning.

Also, trust me, independents may not love Obama, but something tells me they'll hate anyone crazy enough to win the Republican Presidential Primaries even more....

485 Coracle  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:18:45pm

re: #483 brownbagj

This all depends on if the Republicans try to run a socon or not. A small government fiscal conservative who stays out of the private lives of Americans would have a good shot.

I am still looking for that candidate.

If the landscape 18 months from now is the same as today, the Wingers and Tea Partiers will never let such a candidate through the primaries. Not that such a candidate actually exists.

486 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:20:49pm

re: #485 Coracle

If the landscape 18 months from now is the same as today, the Wingers and Tea Partiers will never let such a candidate through the primaries. Not that such a candidate actually exists.

If our Boys in Amazonia can manage to clone Calvin Coolidge's foreskin, the GOP has a chance.

487 captdiggs  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:21:08pm

re: #484 jamesfirecat

independents may not love Obama, but something tells me they'll hate anyone crazy enough to win the Republican Presidential Primaries even more...

That must be why the GOP is going to sweep into the house this November, why NJ and VA just elected GOP governors, and Mass a GOP senator.

And today's new's

August 30, 2010
GOP Takes Unprecedented 10-Point Lead on Generic Ballot
[Link: www.gallup.com...]

488 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:22:29pm

re: #487 captdiggs

That must be why the GOP is going to sweep into the house this November, why NJ and VA just elected GOP governors, and Mass a GOP senator.

And today's new's

August 30, 2010
GOP Takes Unprecedented 10-Point Lead on Generic Ballot
[Link: www.gallup.com...]

Like I said...

Name who will run against Obama and beat him in 2012....


You can't because anyone who is sane enough to beat Obama like Mitt Romney will be clubbed to death by the base in the polls....

489 captdiggs  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:23:47pm

re: #488 jamesfirecat

Like I said...

Name who will run against Obama and beat him in 2012...


You never know.
Obama was an unknown 2 years before the presidential election.

490 Charles Johnson  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:24:00pm

re: #487 captdiggs

Yep, the Democrats might lose their majority in the mid-term elections, because the kook base of the right is all stirred up.

But the right has absolutely no coherent platform, and no real leaders willing to act like adults instead of pandering to the revolting base.

And I mean that literally.

491 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:24:05pm

re: #479 jamesfirecat

We could look at what he promised to do as Candidate McCain and extrapolate how effective those policies would be given our situation.

At least unless John McCain wasn't just lieing his head off to get elected...

Candidates don't really lie, they just smell that way if you don't like them. For your own favourite, it's not lying at all...it's just politics as usual.

492 brownbagj  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:24:16pm

re: #487 captdiggs

I would agree the Dems are in trouble in Congress, but the Presidency is another matter.

While I do believe Obama will be very weak, the GOP has not found a sane voice at the Presidential level.

Again, the Republicans had 8 years to prove they were conservatives. They proved they were not, much to my dismay - they spent like the world was ending. Even Tom Delay said there was no pork in one of the budgets - ludicrous and insulting to those of us who are fiscally conservative.

We have no party to vote for.

493 Coracle  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:25:22pm

re: #487 captdiggs

That must be why the GOP is going to sweep into the house this November...

I'll believe that when I see it.

494 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:25:34pm

re: #473 Charles

That's it, dude! You are OUT OF HERE!

/kidding

Thank you for that.

495 captdiggs  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:26:46pm

re: #490 Charles

It's the economy.
No matter who was the majority party, they would get killed in this election.

496 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:27:29pm

re: #489 captdiggs

You never know.
Obama was an unknown 2 years before the presidential election.

He was an elected Senator a year before that...


So you're saying a newly elected Senator is the GOP's bright shining hope?

All Hail President Luap Rnad!

497 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:28:40pm

re: #490 Charles

Yep, the Democrats might lose their majority in the mid-term elections, because the kook base of the right is all stirred up.

But the right has absolutely no coherent platform, and no real leaders willing to act like adults instead of pandering to the revolting base.

And I mean that literally.

The star that burns twice as bright burns half has long... The current GOP will be undone by the "Silent Majority" of sane people they once pandered too sooner or later.

498 Coracle  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:29:20pm

re: #495 captdiggs

By that formula '12 will be equally interesting. The GOP has nothing that will improve the economy significantly by then. So If the Dems get spanked for it this time, the Reps will the next.

That does assume that the majority of the country really is reactionary enough to punish whoever is in office whether or not they had a hand in creating or attempting to solve the situation.

499 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:30:46pm

re: #495 captdiggs

It's the economy.
No matter who was the majority party, they would get killed in this election.

That's true. A bad economy means the voters take it out on the party in power. Sadly, that is ultimately bad for the GOP. It would have been better had they been forced to showcase policy alternatives and run on something other than "Not Obama".

500 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:31:19pm

re: #489 captdiggs

You never know.
Obama was an unknown 2 years before the presidential election.

It's less than 18 months until the Iowa caucuses. I don't know if I'll be ready for this shit again.

501 captdiggs  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:31:32pm

re: #498 Coracle

They're going to judge by results.
If unemployment is hovering at 9%, foreclosures are up, housing values sinking, they'll try someone else. It happened to Carter and it happened to Bush I.

502 Spare O'Lake  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:31:53pm

re: #496 jamesfirecat

He was an elected Senator a year before that...


So you're saying a newly elected Senator is the GOP's bright shining hope?

All Hail President Luap Rnad!

Maybe even someone who gets elected this November for the first time. After all, if Obama could pull it off then why not someone else who hasn't had a chance to screw up yet and who could pretend to be all things to all people. Maybe the GOP will try to take a page out of the Obama playbook.

503 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:33:48pm

re: #502 Spare O'Lake

Maybe even someone who gets elected this November for the first time. After all, if Obama could pull it off then why not someone else who hasn't had a chance to screw up yet and who could pretend to be all things to all people. Maybe the GOP will try to take a page out of the Obama playbook.

Like I said for them to take a page out of Obama's playbook, they would have had to get elected LAST cycle.

Secondly have you seen the possible incomming GOP senators, do you want any of them in the White House?

Laup Dnar?

Sharon "Second Amendment Remedies" Angle?

504 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:34:14pm

re: #500 Decatur Deb

It's less than 18 months until the Iowa caucuses. I don't know if I'll be ready for this shit again.

Sarah Palin to headline Iowa GOP dinner in Sept.

[Link: theiowarepublican.com...]

It's going to be very interesting if Sister Sarah tries for the GOP nomination.

505 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:35:12pm

re: #504 Stanley Sea

Sarah Palin to headline Iowa GOP dinner in Sept.

[Link: theiowarepublican.com...]

It's going to be very interesting if Sister Sarah tries for the GOP nomination.

And by "Interesting" you mean a Democratic Landslide of Nixonian proportions...

506 Decatur Deb  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:35:21pm

re: #504 Stanley Sea

Sarah Palin to headline Iowa GOP dinner in Sept.

[Link: theiowarepublican.com...]

It's going to be very interesting if Sister Sarah tries for the GOP nomination.

Please, please, please...

507 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:35:35pm

re: #505 jamesfirecat

And by "Interesting" you mean a Democratic Landslide of Nixonian proportions...

I just want to see the GOP debates. Oh yes.

508 Coracle  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:36:26pm

re: #501 captdiggs

Oh, I believe the Dems will lose quite a few seats. I wager they keep both houses, though.

509 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:36:56pm

re: #507 Stanley Sea

I just want to see the GOP debates. Oh yes.

Well we here on Fox feel that Mrs. Palin did very well in so far as she did not vomit, then proceed to choke on her own undigested meal and pass out on stage....

510 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:41:54pm

re: #507 Stanley Sea

I just want to see the GOP debates. Oh yes.

They'd feature everyone else watching Sarah Palin flumex around, unable to attack her for fear of being seen as a "bully".

511 Stanghazi  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:43:12pm

re: #510 Dark_Falcon

They'd feature everyone else watching Sarah Palin flumex around, unable to attack her for fear of being seen as a "bully".

That's exactly what I'm thinking. All these dudes up there wimping out letting her say whatever blather comes out. It's actually quite scary.

512 brownbagj  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:43:14pm

re: #510 Dark_Falcon

You ever attacked a pitbull with lipstick?

Yeah, me either.

513 Max  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:44:28pm

With the facts that were on the table in 2008, to me the only logical choice would have been McCain-Palin. I do not regret my vote.

However, McCain's shameful pandering on immigration reform (which I supported Dubya on 100%) was disgraceful, and not conduct worthy of a statesman like him.

514 Coracle  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:46:55pm

re: #513 Max D. Reinhardt

I could've voted for McCain in 2000. No way in '08.

515 Max  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:49:30pm

re: #514 Coracle

I would've voted for Bush if I could've voted in 2000. McCain would have been okay though.

Why couldn't you vote for him in 08?

516 Coracle  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:52:57pm

re: #515 Max D. Reinhardt

I would've voted for Bush if I could've voted in 2000. McCain would have been okay though.

Why couldn't you vote for him in 08?

I'll just give you the top 4:
1) I actively preferred, and still do, the other candidate, warts and all.
2) Palin
3) Death of Straight Talk
4) Demonstration he had no workable vision at all for the economy.

517 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:54:14pm

re: #511 Stanley Sea

That's exactly what I'm thinking. All these dudes up there wimping out letting her say whatever blather comes out. It's actually quite scary.

What would really be needed would be someone who with two or three months to go would say something like: "Sorry, Sarah, but you don't get to have it both ways. You can't claim to be strong and independent and then cry when someone criticizes you sharply. You were just plain wrong, and I'm not afraid to say it!"

The person who did that would see his overnights drop by 5 points, but over a couple of months he might actually gain as people came to see he was right. But the initial fallout would be brutal, and I doubt any politician would have audacity to run that kind of risk. Of course, if did that and she was ultimately elected, you'd be run out of the party on a rail.

518 Max  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:58:36pm

re: #516 Coracle

McCain's steadfastness on the War on Terror is an inspiration to me. His economic policies would probably be better than Obama's. I believe that his combination of cutting marginal income tax rates, slashing the corporate income tax, school vouchers, and targeted funding for transportation infrastructure would have been a cheaper, more effective stimulus package.

I do disagree with McCain on a few things, though.

519 Coracle  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:04:34pm

re: #518 Max D. Reinhardt

McCain's steadfastness on the War on Terror is an inspiration to me. His economic policies would probably be better than Obama's. I believe that his combination of cutting marginal income tax rates, slashing the corporate income tax, school vouchers, and targeted funding for transportation infrastructure would have been a cheaper, more effective stimulus package.

I do disagree with McCain on a few things, though.

Well, you and I are opposed on most of those things then. I disagree with all of those points you support.

520 Lidane  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:16:03pm

re: #504 Stanley Sea

It's going to be very interesting if Sister Sarah tries for the GOP nomination.

Caribou Barbie vs. Obama in 2012 = GOP Curbstomp II : Electric Boogaloo

Most people have rightly come to realize that she's fundamentally incapable of holding any real power and should never, ever be allowed anywhere near the nuke codes. The only ones who believe otherwise are the cranks and the rubes.

521 captdiggs  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:45:41pm

re: #503 jamesfirecat

I'm surprised none of you are looking at Governors.
There's a few Obama does not want to run against.

Both Indiana and Virginia now have some highly qualified GOP governors who have reversed their state's economies ( turned deficits into surpluses using straight forward conservative economic approaches).

You're hoping it will be Palin, and in that case Obama will get his 2nd term. But against an equally intelligent and educated Governor with even more managerial or other qualifications and who has actually improved the lives of their consitutuents...

That's Obama's nightmare for 2012

522 jamesfirecat  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:56:46pm

re: #521 captdiggs

I'm surprised none of you are looking at Governors.
There's a few Obama does not want to run against.

Both Indiana and Virginia now have some highly qualified GOP governors who have reversed their state's economies ( turned deficits into surpluses using straight forward conservative economic approaches).

You're hoping it will be Palin, and in that case Obama will get his 2nd term. But against an equally intelligent and educated Governor with even more managerial or other qualifications and who has actually improved the lives of their consitutuents...

That's Obama's nightmare for 2012

Yeah good thing I really don't see someone who is intelligent and educated managing to woo the GOP base into voting for them ahead of Sister Sarah...

The GOP may be riding high now, but it will only insure their own Hubris dooms them in 2012...

523 Lidane  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:39:15pm

re: #521 captdiggs

I'm surprised none of you are looking at Governors.

The only GOP governor that was worth a damn is now Obama's ambassador to China. He was smart enough to look at the Republicans and got the hell out of dodge before the bad crazy took over.

With any luck, he'll run in 2016 after the GOP loonies get curbstomped again and the Republican Party finally decides to exile the loonies and cranks and let the adults run the show again.

524 ClaudeMonet  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:08:11pm

re: #19 jamesfirecat

Yeah sadly one side believes in Keynesian Economics, the other doesn't, and the one that doesn't has enough votes in the senate to filibuster any more attempts to prime the pump... and now you know the rest of the story.

Maybe the minority party has the votes to stage a filibuster, and maybe they don't. Even Republicans have been known to not follow the party leadership on occasion. What the Republican "leadership" counts on is the Democrats being the wusses they usually are, afraid to risk an actual filibuster.

Just ONCE, Harry (or whoever is Majority Leader next year), call their bluff. Make them stage an actual filibuster. Show us that you have some stones FOR ONCE.

525 ClaudeMonet  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:16:34pm

re: #114 darthstar

We need to bomb the fuck out of America and stop those basta--wait, what?

If you bombed many parts of Detroit, it wouldn't look much different.

526 ClaudeMonet  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:17:41pm

re: #117 keithgabryelski

yeah, i don't disagree with your point -- I was actually talking about a different quote though. He was very specific in mentioning he was wrong and wishes he could take it back.

That aside, Glenn Beck is an asshat and I wasn't attempting to defend him in anyway shape or form.

Sorry I can't find the quote (and I can't continue what I started), new baby (born August 5th -- Casey), and we gotta get some food in my wife soon.

Congratulations on the new kid! Here's hoping all are well and happy.

527 ClaudeMonet  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:22:15pm

re: #139 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

He's my hero, these days.

He's a bad mutha... watch your mouth!

Upding for the Shaft reference.

528 ClaudeMonet  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:31:52pm

re: #207 jamesfirecat

More proof that we need to get rid of the filibuster if you ask me.

But they never actually filibuster. They threaten it, and Harry and the Dims back down. They need to stand up to those who threaten a filibuster, saying, "Go ahead. Filibuster. C-SPAN will love it. You'll look like the assclowns you are and eventually some of your party will vote for cloture."

Harry, or whoever is Majority Leader if the Dems hold the Senate--Prove you have some stones.

529 ClaudeMonet  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:40:11pm

re: #315 windsagio

Another funny thing about this computer, since I'm complaining.

I have a note in big letters that says DO NOT TURN COMPUTER OFF NO MATTER WHAT!"

I'm really curious now >>

Is that like the big red button in cartoons that says, "DO NOT PUSH THIS BUTTON"?

I was always the kid who asked, "If they don't want anyone to push it, why is it there in the first place?"

530 ClaudeMonet  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:46:46pm

re: #378 _RememberTonyC

baseball? cool. Dodger Stadium is an amazing ballpark. have you ever been there?

Been there, probably the most beautiful and well-maintained ballpark I've been to. Hell to get out of, though.

531 ClaudeMonet  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:48:15pm

re: #399 _RememberTonyC

since the dems took over congress in 2006, the economy has gone straight downhill. fact.

Correlation is not causality.

532 ClaudeMonet  Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:53:12pm

re: #477 captdiggs

If it's any consolation. I think Obama is a one term president.
When Letterman is already making jokes about Obama as a one termer, the party's over.

Letterman made the same jokes about Clinton and GWB. In fact, he's been making the same now-lame jokes for the last 25 years.

533 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:36:11am

re: #528 ClaudeMonet

But they never actually filibuster. They threaten it, and Harry and the Dims back down. They need to stand up to those who threaten a filibuster, saying, "Go ahead. Filibuster. C-SPAN will love it. You'll look like the assclowns you are and eventually some of your party will vote for cloture."

Harry, or whoever is Majority Leader if the Dems hold the Senate--Prove you have some stones.

You're wrong.

Every time a 59-41 or similar cloture vote takes place, and the minority of voters "win" that's a filibuster by default.

Do you know how "Gentleman's rules" work?

Take a look....
[Link: www.nolanchart.com...]


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