Video: Interviews with the Beck Fans
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Interviews with participants of Glenn Beck’s “Restoring Honor” rally. Good grief.
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Ojoe Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:31:24pm |
Tonight's purple Towercam gloaming. San Gabriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone.
I can't stand politics anymore.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:31:40pm |
Can I ask for a transcript, or would the raw idiocy make the letters melt off the page?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:31:44pm |
Reposts from two threads back:
OK, now for the long-delayed next LGF/D&D Crossover Encounter:
Civil War Woods
Dungeon Master's Notes: This encounter is a penalty phase if the players did not collect enough of Palindrome's Soul Gems. As the players took the easy way out earlier, they are now forced to shut down the DemiLitch's Astral Engine the hard way.
Unlike previous encounters, the DM should not make an effort to keep the player characters alive in this battle. In fact, its almost certain to kill at least one of them.
___---___
The players exit the dank stairway they have been walking up, opening an old wooden door and stepping outside. They find them selves in a fog shrouded wood. The trees are most bare and the air is late-Autumn cold.
After the players have walked in ways in the Astral Engine's direction (perhaps fighting a handful of trolls at one point), they start to see figures ahead in the fog. If a player has a spell to to give them vision through murk, a successful use will give them a view a line of men in camouflage with slung rifles digging foxholes. Some of them, (the more-numerous, less purposeful ones), talk about the "EVIL!!" of the Demigod Obamrama, or the "perfidy" of the Lizard King. None of their accusations make any sense. The player should also notice a few men who work more swiftly and keep a sharp watch, speaking little. As the players creep closer they should see two men talking together slightly to one side. One is older and seems more experienced than his compatriot. He occasionally speaks in a free verse poetry and when doing so curses the Back-Stabbing Back-Bencher the players vanquished earlier. After they converse for a short time, the purposeful man steps away and walks down the line. If a spell to see through fog was cast, the player should make a Perception Roll at a +7 Difficulty modifier. If the roll succeeds, the player notices that the older man glances very slightly in the players direction.
Regardless of the success of such a roll, about a minute later, the line erupts in gunfire as the men rapidly unsling their rifles and open fire.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:32:20pm |
She's kinda hot. Evening Honcos. (I think the sound card in my computer went splody, which sucks. I have nothing. Not my speakers. Not my headphones.)
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:32:35pm |
In a rather curious and confused way, some white people are starting almost to think like a minority, even like a persecuted one. What does it take to believe that Christianity is an endangered religion in America or that the name of Jesus is insufficiently spoken or appreciated? Who wakes up believing that there is no appreciation for our veterans and our armed forces and that without a noisy speech from Sarah Palin, their sacrifice would be scorned? It's not unfair to say that such grievances are purely and simply imaginary, which in turn leads one to ask what the real ones can be. The clue, surely, is furnished by the remainder of the speeches, which deny racial feeling so monotonously and vehemently as to draw attention. -- Christopher Hitcehns
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Ojoe Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:36:08pm |
re: #4 Cannadian Club Akbar
The stuff you really need to know comes in on the carrier wave of silence. Thomas Merton, my avatar guy, would tell you that.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:36:24pm |
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tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:36:43pm |
Can't keep up with the pace tonight. Posts are flying up.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:37:49pm |
re: #8 Ojoe
The stuff you really need to know comes in on the carrier wave of silence. Thomas Merton, my avatar guy, would tell you that.
I spend a couple hours a night in complete silence. Some of my best thinking.
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palomino Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:38:18pm |
re: #5 Gus 802
In a rather curious and confused way, some white people are starting almost to think like a minority, even like a persecuted one. What does it take to believe that Christianity is an endangered religion in America or that the name of Jesus is insufficiently spoken or appreciated? Who wakes up believing that there is no appreciation for our veterans and our armed forces and that without a noisy speech from Sarah Palin, their sacrifice would be scorned? It's not unfair to say that such grievances are purely and simply imaginary, which in turn leads one to ask what the real ones can be. The clue, surely, is furnished by the remainder of the speeches, which deny racial feeling so monotonously and vehemently as to draw attention. -- Christopher Hitcehns
How arrogant and ignorant do you have to be to believe that "America is the only bastion of hope in the world?"
Sure, we're the greatest nation on earth. But I think a decent, moral, productive, materially comfortable way of life is also available in some other places.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:39:11pm |
Is everyone getting a Goldline ad at the header, or does my computer figure me for a rube?
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palomino Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:39:30pm |
re: #1 Ojoe
Tonight's purple Towercam gloaming. San Gabriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone.
I can't stand politics anymore.
Me too.
Very nice photos. Much appreciated here.
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Ojoe Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:40:01pm |
re: #15 Decatur Deb
At the header, I get:
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Boondock St. Bender Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:40:15pm |
re: #15 Decatur Deb
not me...i think that they know i'm on to them
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:40:21pm |
Evening lizards! I haven't seen any news today. Did I miss anything?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:40:22pm |
re: #15 Decatur Deb
Is everyone getting a Goldline ad at the header, or does my computer figure me for a rube?
Mine is telling me that I may qualify for a grant to go back to school.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:41:00pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:41:09pm |
re: #20 NJDhockeyfan
Evening lizards! I haven't seen any news today. Did I miss anything?
We gave up to the Nazis. Sucks.
//
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b_sharp Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:41:09pm |
re: #9 Cannadian Club Akbar
It only burns when I pee. Wait, what?
You either need FlowMax, or penicillin.
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Boondock St. Bender Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:41:38pm |
re: #20 NJDhockeyfan
glenn beck got the bird from god
sarah palin wants babies to gun jesus
other than that not much
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:41:55pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:42:19pm |
re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist
Mine is telling me that I may qualify for a grant to go back to school.
I'm getting a Tracfone ad.
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Stanghazi Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:44:02pm |
Wow. They didn't know about Beck calling the President racist.
Well I guess when you get your news from only one place.......
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:44:40pm |
re: #26 Boondock St. Bender
glenn beck got the bird from god
sarah palin wants babies to gun jesus
other than that not much
Another day, same news.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:46:11pm |
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Stanghazi Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:46:13pm |
re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist
Mine is telling me that I may qualify for a grant to go back to school.
Mine is for designer fashion and cosmetics 80% off!!! LOL
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:48:37pm |
It never gets old watching people who were born white in the world's richest country sitting around on lawn furniture complaining about how oppressed they are.
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Decatur Deb Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:48:58pm |
re: #35 Ojoe
Any Scout Camp is that.
Unless it's held at Ft. A.P. Hill, then it's a mass casualty exercise.
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jaunte Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:49:22pm |
The guy who had learned 'everything he needed to know about Islam' was a note-perfect echo of the Onion parody story.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:49:45pm |
re: #32 Decatur Deb
When is the "Restoring Sanity" rally?
It's scheduled for the first Saturday that comes in the middle of the week.
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Ojoe Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:49:46pm |
re: #39 Decatur Deb
Watch those overhead wires vs. long telescoping tent poles!
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cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:49:54pm |
re: #2 jamesfirecat
Can I ask for a transcript, or would the raw idiocy make the letters melt off the page?
I asked a few minutes ago and was told it was pure crazy. So I just pulled up a transcript and I'm reading through it. Sounds like pretty good stuff. One excerpt:
I’m tired. I am tired, and I know you are. I’m tired of common sense not applying anymore. We all know what the problems are. It’s tax and spend. One party will tax and spend, the other party won’t tax but will spend. It’s both of them. Both of them together. I’m tired. I’m tired.
In general, it was a good rally, good people, good theme. That's very disappointing, I'm sure, to people who hate Beck.
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Boondock St. Bender Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:49:55pm |
got about 3:45 into it...had to stop,i guess it's good beck speaks for these folks,cause they sure ain't good at doing it for themselves
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:50:11pm |
re: #21 SanFranciscoZionist
Mine is telling me that I may qualify for a grant to go back to school.
I'm getting a Dell ad telling me it's time to buy a new laptop.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:51:20pm |
re: #38 negativ
It never gets old watching people who were born white in the world's richest country sitting around on lawn furniture complaining about how oppressed they are.
The lawn furniture is a nice touch. It speaks to both American can-do practicality, and our total unwillingness to, say, stand on our feet for several hours of political speeches.
The best and the worst of the national character, represented by a folding aluminum chair with a nylon mesh seat.
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cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:51:58pm |
re: #43 cliffster
he also got a few knocks on Tiger in there...
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Decatur Deb Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:52:05pm |
'Nite, all. I think Jon Stewart might be good tonight.
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Stanghazi Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:52:18pm |
These people are walking soundbites.
They have been brainwashed.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:52:19pm |
re: #43 cliffster
I asked a few minutes ago and was told it was pure crazy. So I just pulled up a transcript and I'm reading through it. Sounds like pretty good stuff. One excerpt:
In general, it was a good rally, good people, good theme. That's very disappointing, I'm sure, to people who hate Beck.
Clearly that man's problem is government spending at all then, and he should have just said so.
I wonder what he wants to cut spending on?
Repeating "I'm tired" over and over again just makes him sound like Abe Simpsons by the way....
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:52:22pm |
re: #45 Alouette
I'm getting a Dell ad telling me it's time to buy a new laptop.
What brand do they recommend?
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Boondock St. Bender Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:52:23pm |
re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist
now,now nothing wrong with a good cozy chair
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Four More Tears Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:52:25pm |
re: #49 Decatur Deb
'Nite, all. I think Jon Stewart might be good tonight.
I thought he was off for a couple of weeks?
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darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:52:34pm |
re: #49 Decatur Deb
'Nite, all. I think Jon Stewart might be good tonight.
Thanks for the reminder...
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:52:40pm |
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them. -- Barack Obama
Well, guess he was right.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:52:40pm |
re: #49 Decatur Deb
'Nite, all. I think Jon Stewart might be good tonight.
I think they're on vacation... mores the pity...
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Decatur Deb Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:53:31pm |
re: #54 JasonA
I thought he was off for a couple of weeks?
Oh.. I hope not. He's got to polish the work ethic.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:53:39pm |
re: #52 NJDhockeyfan
What brand do they recommend?
Inspiron 15. I have a Vostro 1710 and I'm pretty satisfied with it.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:53:39pm |
re: #56 Gus 802
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them. -- Barack Obama
Well, guess he was right.
Now we know where they got that idea.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:54:43pm |
I love the part where they all deny Glenn Beck ever called Obama a racist. That story was huge for weeks, and has been repeated several times in recent weeks, and yet they still haven't seen it? That shows you how impossible it is to ever reach these people. Beck and his ilk use them as props to show popularity, so they have a chance at reaching more people who actually DO pay attention to get them to stop thinking for themselves.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:54:45pm |
re: #7 Gus 802
Al Sharpton is going to bring his Black Panthers?
I caught that too.
I had no clue that Al Sharpton and the Black Panthers were - an item
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darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:55:03pm |
re: #57 jamesfirecat
I think they're on vacation... mores the pity...
That's right...10 days off...always when something big happens. It's a conspiracy.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:55:35pm |
re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist
The lawn furniture is a nice touch. It speaks to both American can-do practicality, and our total unwillingness to, say, stand on our feet for several hours of political speeches.
The best and the worst of the national character, represented by a folding aluminum chair with a nylon mesh seat.
Made in China, presumably.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:55:56pm |
re: #15 Decatur Deb
Is everyone getting a Goldline ad at the header, or does my computer figure me for a rube?
I'm getting an Enfamil baby formula ad, and an ad from Talbot's that tells me I can Win a Trip to Paris!
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:56:13pm |
re: #60 NJDhockeyfan
Now we know where they got that idea.
Yeah. Because before Obama uttered those words these ideas never existed.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:56:18pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:56:20pm |
re: #59 Alouette
Inspiron 15. I have a Vostro 1710 and I'm pretty satisfied with it.
I've got a Toshiba Satellite X-205. It's been a great computer so far.
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Stanghazi Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:56:52pm |
"Women waiting in parking lots to have their baby."
This is crazy time.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:57:15pm |
re: #56 Gus 802
And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them. -- Barack Obama
Well, guess he was right.
We knew he was right. It simply wasn't politically correct to say so.
Meanwhile, Obama got a straightforward lesson in politics. What happens in Charlotte Swig's living room does not STAY in Charlotte Swig's living room.
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:57:25pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:57:48pm |
re: #67 reine.de.tout
I'm getting an Enfamil baby formula ad, and an ad from Talbot's that tells me I can Win a Trip to Paris!
Congrats! Let us know how the food is there!
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:57:49pm |
re: #62 reine.de.tout
I caught that too.
I had no clue that Al Sharpton and the Black Panthers were - an item
Scary Black People. They hang out together.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:58:48pm |
re: #71 Stanley Sea
"Women waiting in parking lots to have their baby."
This is crazy time.
I can't see the video. What is that all about?
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:58:51pm |
re: #66 Alouette
Whatever happened to modesty?
Whatever happened to fair dealing
And pure ethics
And nice manners?
Why is it everyone now is a pain in the ass?
Whatever happened to class?
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jamesfirecat Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:59:05pm |
re: #73 negativ
Cue Blazing Saddles joke.
In lue of that joke which would get me banned...
You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons.
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Bear Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:59:05pm |
The latest I have read about the two Officer shooting at Hoonah is that the perp has been caught. One of the Officers was deaf. What a real mess.
[Link: www.adn.com...]
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Amory Blaine Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:59:10pm |
re: #47 SanFranciscoZionist
The lawn furniture is a nice touch. It speaks to both American can-do practicality, and our total unwillingness to, say, stand on our feet for several hours of political speeches.
The best and the worst of the national character, represented by a folding aluminum chair with a nylon mesh seat.
That one chick has gallons of gatorade
It has Electrolytes!!!!
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 7:59:21pm |
Fuck these people........ I'm sure his tape was edited to find the dumbest of the dumb...... but still it's sad to think we live amongst these freaks.
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Stanghazi Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:00:21pm |
re: #76 NJDhockeyfan
I can't see the video. What is that all about?
What some lady's sister from Arizona told her was happening with immigrants.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:00:36pm |
re: #81 Mr Pancakes
Fuck these people... I'm sure his tape was edited to find the dumbest of the dumb... but still it's sad to think we live amongst these freaks.
Now,now. Without freaks who are we gonna point a laugh at?
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:00:57pm |
re: #50 Stanley Sea
These people are walking soundbites.
They have been brainwashed.
And, they could stand to loose a few pounds...
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:01:23pm |
Fuck. NatGeo is running a thing on Katrina.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:02:10pm |
re: #80 Amory Blaine
That one chick has gallons of gatorade
It has Electrolytes!!!
It's what plants crave!
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:02:39pm |
re: #50 Stanley Sea
These people are walking soundbites.
They have been brainwashed.
Hard not to notice. Most of these people are parroting the same right-wing blog talking points we've been reading. Including many of the urban legends.
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simoom Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:02:42pm |
re: #50 Stanley Sea
These people are walking soundbites.
They have been brainwashed.
That was sort of a fascinating aspect to the video. All these folks with, I guess, a shared mythology, all informed from the same slice of media, nearly echoing one another.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:03:00pm |
re: #86 Cannadian Club Akbar
Fuck. NatGeo is running a thing on Katrina.
What at beautiful hurricane.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:03:02pm |
re: #82 McSpiff
Now for something beautiful:
[Video]
That song does not make me want to smoke a joint.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:03:18pm |
re: #79 Bear
The latest I have read about the two Officer shooting at Hoonah is that the perp has been caught. One of the Officers was deaf. What a real mess.
[Link: www.adn.com...]
My God, they had a ride-along with them? Effing mess.
Is Tokuoka a Native Alaskan name?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:03:24pm |
The Militia the players may have seen working begin their attack by firing a massive volley on full-auto. The volley a is quick "mad minute" volley meant to stop an advance. If the players have any cover they won't be hit by it. However, the older man they saw before and the one he was talking to fire their own shots, targeted at the player closest to them. Unless that player was warned to hide before the firing started, the aimed shots strike the target, each doing 3D6 damage. If the character did hide, each shot (there are ten) must make a normal to-hit roll. If these drop the character's hit point to zero, a failed save roll means the character is dead. A successful roll leaves them alive but gravely wounded and out of the fight. Any player caught in the open will be hit by 1D4 shots, also doing 3D6 damage.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:03:43pm |
re: #83 Stanley Sea
What some lady's sister from Arizona told her was happening with immigrants.
I was told the same thing about 15 years ago from someone from Brownsville, TX. He said pregnant women cross the border and sit in cars at the hospital. When it's time they go in inside and have their baby. The hospital cannot refuse them.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:03:54pm |
re: #91 Mr Pancakes
That song does not make me want to smoke a joint.
A joint would make it tolerable. Just sayin'.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:04:32pm |
re: #88 Gus 802
Hard not to notice. Most of these people are parroting the same right-wing blog talking points we've been reading. Including many of the urban legends.
No one's mentioned czars in a while. Are they bored with that?
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:04:54pm |
re: #94 NJDhockeyfan
I was told the same thing about 15 years ago from someone from Brownsville, TX. He said pregnant women cross the border and sit in cars at the hospital. When it's time they go in inside and have their baby. The hospital cannot refuse them.
So do they walk or swim over the border than find people in their cars in the parking lot and ask them if they can wait in their cars? Or do they drive over the border?
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freetoken Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:05:12pm |
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Stanghazi Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:05:52pm |
re: #96 SanFranciscoZionist
No one's mentioned czars in a while. Are they bored with that?
Beck never mentions it anymore.
Parrots. Squawk!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:06:24pm |
re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist
My God, they had a ride-along with them? Effing mess.
Is Tokuoka a Native Alaskan name?
Yes. It means "You Betcha!" in English.
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Amory Blaine Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:06:35pm |
re: #97 Gus 802
So do they walk or swim over the border than find people in their cars in the parking lot and ask them if they can wait in their cars? Or do they drive over the border?
Um, yeah. I believe pregnant women are living in their cars in hospital parking lots.
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Stanghazi Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:06:45pm |
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jaunte Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:07:03pm |
re: #96 SanFranciscoZionist
I think the people pushing the outrage over 'czars' stopped after it came out that we've had them for awhile.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:07:04pm |
re: #97 Gus 802
So do they walk or swim over the border than find people in their cars in the parking lot and ask them if they can wait in their cars? Or do they drive over the border?
///They cross the border on foot, then behead someone, steal their car, get into an accident and drive it to the hospital afterword.
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Bear Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:08:00pm |
re: #92 SanFranciscoZionist
I believe he was from Hawaii. One of my friends was on a cruise ship last week that visited Hoonah and I understand that a ship scheduled to visit there has been diverted. I have not been to Hoonah so only know about it from others.
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Irenicum Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:08:07pm |
re: #106 jamesfirecat
And then their terror babies take over small Texas towns.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:08:07pm |
re: #97 Gus 802
So do they walk or swim over the border than find people in their cars in the parking lot and ask them if they can wait in their cars? Or do they drive over the border?
No idea. It's just something told to me from someone from Brownsville.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:08:44pm |
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SteveMcG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:09:20pm |
re: #67 reine.de.tout
What's second place? Just came back. If only the Atlantic Ocean were wider. At one hotel the people were unable to give me directions to the hotel they were working in. Later, the front desk staff were unable to give me directions to the center of town. You see, they get there by bus, and I guess I was the first person in history to ever ask for directions. The ruined Disney World. The bright side? No state troopers, and a little Renault Trafik minbus that could go 180 km/hr!
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:09:23pm |
Annals of Incoherence, Part XIX, Year MMX, Episode Thirteeen.
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Amory Blaine Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:09:37pm |
I heard something from a guy once, he told me if I put a tooth under my pillow the tooth fairy will come and give me money!!
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tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:09:45pm |
You are witnessing the (not so) rare breed of Chainmailinites.
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:10:08pm |
re: #109 NJDhockeyfan
No idea. It's just something told to me from someone from Brownsville.
Well. Just because they show up in an American hospital to have a baby doesn't really mean they're doing it to have an anchor baby. Sometimes it's a matter of survival for people and they may enter, have the baby, and go back to their home.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:10:08pm |
re: #107 Bear
I believe he was from Hawaii. One of my friends was on a cruise ship last week that visited Hoonah and I understand that a ship scheduled to visit there has been diverted. I have not been to Hoonah so only know about it from others.
Thanks.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:10:26pm |
Looks like the ACLU is going after the president...
Rights Groups Sue U.S. on Effort to Kill Cleric
WASHINGTON — Two human rights organizations went to court on Monday to challenge the Obama administration’s decision to authorize the killing of Anwar al-Awlaki, the American-born radical Muslim cleric now hiding in Yemen.
The lawsuit, filed in federal court in Washington on behalf of Mr. Awlaki’s father, Nasser al-Awlaki, argues that the United State government should not be permitted to kill an American citizen away from the battlefield and without judicial review.
The human rights groups, the American Civil Liberties Union and the Center for Constitutional Rights, asked the court to prohibit the government from killing Mr. Awlaki until the lawsuit is heard. They also demand that the government disclose the standards it uses to determine who should be singled out for killing.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:11:09pm |
"No one owns George Washington."
But George Washington own some people.
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cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:11:44pm |
re: #105 jaunte
I think the people pushing the outrage over 'czars' stopped after it came out that we've had them for awhile.
It is a little weird to see people self-correct after taking irrational positions. Miracles never cease, I suppose.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:11:50pm |
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SteveMcG Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:12:02pm |
re: #115 Gus 802
I would tend to believe they do it to have an anchor baby. I'm okay with that. There aren't many greater gifts you could give a child.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:12:12pm |
re: #115 Gus 802
Well. Just because they show up in an American hospital to have a baby doesn't really mean they're doing it to have an anchor baby. Sometimes it's a matter of survival for people and they may enter, have the baby, and go back to their home.
I don't blame them, especially now with all the murders going on by the drug gangs. It's a total mess in Mexico.
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austin_blue Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:12:27pm |
Okay, back from dinner. These people are just nutso. on my, goodness.
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:12:55pm |
re: #122 NJDhockeyfan
I don't blame them, especially now with all the murders going on by the drug gangs. It's a total mess in Mexico.
Exactly.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:13:16pm |
re: #115 Gus 802
Well. Just because they show up in an American hospital to have a baby doesn't really mean they're doing it to have an anchor baby. Sometimes it's a matter of survival for people and they may enter, have the baby, and go back to their home.
On the flip side, I know plenty of families who go back to Mexico to get health care, because they have coverage at home, and not here.
It's a complex situation along the border.
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avanti Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:13:24pm |
re: #81 Mr Pancakes
Fuck these people... I'm sure his tape was edited to find the dumbest of the dumb... but still it's sad to think we live amongst these freaks.
I prefer ill informed to dumb. They seem to be typical, salt of the earth Americans, good folks that are scared shitless by Beck and the like. I'm more saddened than anything.
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tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:13:27pm |
Even my dad falls for some of the stupid conspiracies that get sent to him in emails. I'd like to think I raised him better than that.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:13:52pm |
re: #117 NJDhockeyfan
Looks like the ACLU is going after the president...
Well, they're challenging the administration...I don't think it's personal.
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Amory Blaine Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:13:59pm |
That women can hold babies in like they are holding in a turd is a stretch to hold onto a fallacy.
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jaunte Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:14:06pm |
re: #119 cliffster
At one time it was known as the 'Emily Litella effect.'
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:14:37pm |
re: #106 jamesfirecat
///They cross the border on foot, then behead someone, steal their car, get drunk, get into an accident and drive it to the hospital afterword.
///
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:14:56pm |
re: #120 TheMatrix31
Who knew the ACLU was full of ODS??
/
The ACLU will take on anyone, anywhere, anytime.
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:15:17pm |
re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist
On the flip side, I know plenty of families who go back to Mexico to get health care, because they have coverage at home, and not here.
It's a complex situation along the border.
That's interesting.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:15:21pm |
re: #122 NJDhockeyfan
I don't blame them, especially now with all the murders going on by the drug gangs. It's a total mess in Mexico.
My grandson is an anchor baby..... I can't see where it has done him any good at all since he went back to Mexico with his mother. If she doesn't have the where-with-all to get him duel citizenship he's limited down there.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:15:48pm |
re: #115 Gus 802
Well. Just because they show up in an American hospital to have a baby doesn't really mean they're doing it to have an anchor baby. Sometimes it's a matter of survival for people and they may enter, have the baby, and go back to their home.
But the baby is still an American citizen, and that can be used later to get the family into the US. That ticks off more than a few people, though even most of them wouldn't refuse to let a woman in labor through (I may be being too generous, but I'd like to assume decency).
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:16:55pm |
re: #136 Dark_Falcon
If they can't get over it in 21 years, im not too worried.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:17:09pm |
re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist
On the flip side, I know plenty of families who go back to Mexico to get health care, because they have coverage at home, and not here.
It's a complex situation along the border.
I'm an American citizen...... I go to Mexico for care...... I don't have insurance, I'm self employed.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:17:33pm |
re: #135 Mr Pancakes
My grandson is an anchor baby... I can't see where it has done him any good at all since he went back to Mexico with his mother. If she doesn't have the where-with-all to get him duel citizenship he's limited down there.
Half of my 26 grandkids were born outside the U.S.
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Interesting Times Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:17:35pm |
re: #85 Floral Giraffe
And, they could stand to loose a few pounds...
Given how crowd numbers are calculated, would that be further evidence in favor of the lower estimates? /
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freetoken Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:17:46pm |
re: #105 jaunte
I think the people pushing the outrage over 'czars' stopped after it came out that we've had them for awhile.
Hate wing blogs still have plenty of comments with whining about "czars". One the meme has been successfully pushed into the neurons, the talking heads just move to the next target, knowing their task has been successful.
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Amory Blaine Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:17:53pm |
re: #139 Mr Pancakes
I'm an American citizen... I go to Mexico for care... I don't have insurance, I'm self employed.
The care is good then?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:17:53pm |
I didn't even notice we are past 100 comments. Cool. I hate my fucking job. That's all.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:18:18pm |
re: #134 Gus 802
That's interesting.
My most hilarious recent encounter with the 'we're covered in Mexico' phenomenon was a conversation with a parent who apologized for pulling his son out of school for two weeks, "But I can't get the surgery done in the United States, and I can't face it if my wife isn't there, and I am not leaving a sixteen-year-old boy that thinks he's in love and has no common sense by himself in our house for two weeks, so please, just give him a lot of work to do and he can do it at his aunt's house."
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:19:03pm |
re: #136 Dark_Falcon
But the baby is still an American citizen, and that can be used later to get the family into the US.
Only once the baby is twenty-one, and it's not a speedy or automatic process even then. I would say that's a hell of a long-term investment.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:19:06pm |
Here's some good news from Mexico. They got a big one...
Suspected drug lord captured in Mexico state
Mexico announced the capture Monday of one of its most wanted drug-trafficking suspects, a Texas-born figure accused of unleashing a wave of brutal slayings and a ruthless battle with rivals.
Edgar Valdez Villarreal, also known by the improbable nickname "La Barbie," was seized by federal police agents Monday afternoon in the state of Mexico, the region that surrounds Mexico City, the Public Security Ministry said in a statement.
Mexican television showed a photograph of the newly captured Valdez, plumper than he was in earlier known pictures and surrounded by police officers, some with their guns drawn.
Valdez allegedly served as the top enforcer for Arturo Beltran Leyva, a major kingpin killed by Mexican troops in December. Since Beltran's death, police say, Valdez has been locked in a vicious war with Beltran's brother Hector for control of the cartel's business.
There have been no comments from La Ken.
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cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:20:09pm |
re: #130 jaunte
At one time it was known as the 'Emily Litella effect.'
you are probably one of those people going all wacko about endangered feces. and the deaf penalty.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:20:47pm |
re: #144 Cannadian Club Akbar
I didn't even notice we are past 100 comments. Cool. I hate my fucking job. That's all.
At least you have one. There are millions of people who would love to take it from you.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:21:05pm |
re: #148 cliffster
you are probably one of those people going all wacko about endangered feces. and the deaf penalty.
Free Soviet jewelry!!
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cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:21:19pm |
re: #125 SanFranciscoZionist
On the flip side, I know plenty of families who go back to Mexico to get health care, because they have coverage at home, and not here.
If you want immigration control, repeal HCR!
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:22:32pm |
re: #140 Alouette
Half of my 26 grandkids were born outside the U.S.
Wow congates on that!
Can they visit? I have 12...... 5 were born here and live here..... one is an American citizen in Mexico who of course can visit here...... 6 were born in Mexico and cannot visit. I'm hoping that my wife (becoming an American citizen this week) can fix that.
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austin_blue Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:22:42pm |
Is the video edited to show the crazee?
Probably.
was it that hard to find them?
Probably not.
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Mich-again Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:22:54pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:23:38pm |
re: #152 Mr Pancakes
Alouette has 145 grand babies.
/
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:24:24pm |
re: #143 Amory Blaine
The care is good then?
Yea the care is good....... my wife had a gall stone removed for $2400 (up front cash).......I think it's around $15,000 here.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:24:33pm |
re: #146 SanFranciscoZionist
Only once the baby is twenty-one, and it's not a speedy or automatic process even then. I would say that's a hell of a long-term investment.
OK, that I did not know.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:25:36pm |
Jamais de ma vie have I ever seen such a concatenation of fucktardism.
Congratulatations, Oberminister für Propaganda Beck, your Führer is proud of you!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:25:56pm |
re: #147 NJDhockeyfan
Here's some good news from Mexico. They got a big one...
Suspected drug lord captured in Mexico state
There have been no comments from La Ken.
I hope he gets Life. In Supermax.
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Mich-again Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:26:32pm |
Where did the kid get the wireless Gene Rayburn Match Game '72 microphone?
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austin_blue Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:27:44pm |
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:28:14pm |
re: #161 Mich-again
Where did the kid get the wireless Gene Rayburn Match Game '72 microphone?
I miss Gene Rayburn and Monte Hall..... goddammit.
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Mich-again Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:28:25pm |
New term from the video.. Legalized Citizen Thats new.
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What, me worry? Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:28:41pm |
re: #159 Cato the Elder
Jamais de ma vie have I ever seen such a concatenation of fucktardism.
Congratulatations, Oberminister für Propaganda Beck, your Führer is proud of you!
Funny you should say that. The fellow interviewing, Chase Whiteside, has this picture on his website.(Notice the guy standing behind Beck LOL)
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austin_blue Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:29:06pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:30:02pm |
re: #153 austin_blue
Is the video edited to show the crazee?
Probably.
was it that hard to find them?
Probably not.
As an aside, on their website they have a long-ish, unedited interview with Breitbart talking about "creative editing". Breitbart asserts that Obama was elected because of selective editing.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:31:17pm |
re: #167 negativ
As an aside, on their website they have a long-ish, unedited interview with Breitbart talking about "creative editing". Breitbart asserts that Obama was elected because of selective editing.
Well if anyone would know about selective editing it would be Andrew Breitbart....
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:32:34pm |
re: #166 austin_blue
Does that make a difference to you?
A little. I wouldn't be in favor of refusing a pregnant woman needing medical attention in any case. And I'm not opposed to temporary visas for Mexicans who had to flee the cartels. Someone who is law-abiding who has a valid reason to fear for their life should be allowed to stay here till the threat abates.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:32:49pm |
re: #167 negativ
As an aside, on their website they have a long-ish, unedited interview with Breitbart talking about "creative editing". Breitbart asserts that Obama was elected because of selective editing.
How has he determined that?
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jaunte Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:33:04pm |
re: #167 negativ
As an aside, on their website they have a long-ish, unedited interview with Breitbart talking about "creative editing". Breitbart asserts that Obama was elected because of selective editing.
What editing did he claim changed the election results in Obama's favor?
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:33:15pm |
re: #160 Dark_Falcon
I hope he gets Life. In Supermax.
From Wiki:
...Valdez is also the main suspect in the shooting of Salvador Cabanas, star striker of the Paraguay national football team and the club America in Mexico City. Valdez allegedly was angry because, in his opinion, Cabanas had not scored enough goals for club America.[12]
If that's true I hope he's eligible for the needle.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:33:19pm |
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:33:35pm |
8 more karma points and I'll buy a lottery ticket, and share the winnings with you all.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:33:49pm |
re: #152 Mr Pancakes
Wow congates on that!
Can they visit? I have 12... 5 were born here and live here... one is an American citizen in Mexico who of course can visit here... 6 were born in Mexico and cannot visit. I'm hoping that my wife (becoming an American citizen this week) can fix that.
5 are Canadian and 8 are Israeli. My son has "landed immigrant" status which is like the Canadian equivalent of a "green card."
My other son was living in Russia and his wife went to Israel to give birth. They are living in the U.S. now, my daughter-in-law (a Russian Israeli) has a green card.
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jaunte Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:34:30pm |
re: #173 Varek Raith
Magical Balance Fairy.
We should shorten that to the fighting technique of Mag BaFa.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:34:32pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:34:45pm |
re: #174 Mr Pancakes
8 more karma points and I'll buy a lottery ticket, and share the winnings with you all.
Screw you. Down ding.
/
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austin_blue Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:35:00pm |
re: #167 negativ
As an aside, on their website they have a long-ish, unedited interview with Breitbart talking about "creative editing". Breitbart asserts that Obama was elected because of selective editing.
Really? I, thought it was because he won the popular vote and the electoral college by a significant margin.
Silly me.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:35:02pm |
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cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:35:51pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:36:44pm |
re: #172 NJDhockeyfan
From Wiki:
If that's true I hope he's eligible for the needle.
Nope. Mexico does not have Capital Punishment, and won't extradite someone facing a possible death sentence. Until recently, they would even extradite for life sentence, because Mexico's maximum was 40 years. That however, has been changed to allow for the lawful permanent incarceration of drug kingpins.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:37:26pm |
re: #182 cliffster
Indeed
I was gonna call you a bastard, but i don't want the number 1 Top 10 spot.
/Har!!
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:37:32pm |
re: #175 Alouette
5 are Canadian and 8 are Israeli. My son has "landed immigrant" status which is like the Canadian equivalent of a "green card."
My other son was living in Russia and his wife went to Israel to give birth. They are living in the U.S. now, my daughter-in-law (a Russian Israeli) has a green card.
When my wife got her green card...... it didn't help her adult daughters in Mexico at all.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:39:28pm |
re: #183 Dark_Falcon
We had a guy who killed a woman and her triplets were crawling in her blood and Mexico wouldn't extradite him.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:40:35pm |
re: #186 Cannadian Club Akbar
We had a guy who killed a woman and her triplets were crawling in her blood and Mexico wouldn't extradite him.
Yep...... they won't extradite if the death penalty is a possible outcome.
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cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:41:49pm |
re: #184 Cannadian Club Akbar
you want to call me a bastard.. stand in line.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:42:40pm |
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:42:44pm |
re: #187 Mr Pancakes
Yep... they won't extradite if the death penalty is a possible outcome.
He got life. Fucker. I hope he has a nice 8 x 10.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:43:11pm |
re: #188 cliffster
LOL!
And as a former boss used to say, "and take a number"!
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austin_blue Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:43:20pm |
And Adios. Sleepy time.
Play nice, Lizards.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:43:51pm |
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cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:44:18pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:44:25pm |
re: #190 Cannadian Club Akbar
He got life. Fucker. I hope he has a nice 8 x 10.
The jails in Mexico are very bad. Maybe he will experience a Mexican shiv.
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tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:45:11pm |
I'm finally watching the whole video. These people are human tape recorders.
TalkingPointBot 3000
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:45:25pm |
re: #194 cliffster
what a great post! upding.
Thanks...... I pulled that off without a sarc tag.......
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:45:40pm |
re: #195 NJDhockeyfan
The jails in Mexico are very bad. Maybe he will experience a Mexican shiv.
He killed a woman in Sarasota. He is here.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:47:00pm |
Say what?
Washington funds Palestinian campaign
JERUSALEM, Aug. 29 (UPI) -- Washington is funding an ad campaign in Israel featuring billboards of Palestinian officials asking: "We are partners -- what about you?"
The campaign launched Sunday includes the faces of senior Palestinian Authority officials Saeb Erekat, Jibril Rajoub and Yasser Abed Rabo, and Riad Malki, Palestinian foreign affairs minister, Yedioth Aharonoth said.
The aim of the campaign is to persuade Israelis that peace partners on the Palestinian side truly exist, and calls for support of a two-state solution, the Tel Aviv newspaper said.
The U.S. government was approached to fund the campaign by the Geneva Initiative founders, who drew up an agreement in 2003 to end the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the newspaper said.
The U.S. Agency for International Development, or USAID, invested close to $250,000 toward the creation of the billboards, the newspaper said.
The campaign has raised a few eyebrows in Israel.
"We are talking about a Palestinian Authority campaign funded by the American government," an Israeli Foreign Ministry official was quoted saying.
When are they going to fund billboards in Gaza sending the same message to the Palis?
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:48:32pm |
re: #185 Mr Pancakes
When my wife got her green card... it didn't help her adult daughters in Mexico at all.
My son had to go to the U.S. Embassy in Moscow to claim U.S. citizenship for his kids. He had to provide proof of 14 years continuous residence in the U.S. This was not easy, because the schools he attended lost all his transcripts. We had to fax his vaccination records and his Bar Mitzvah invitation.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:49:35pm |
re: #198 Cannadian Club Akbar
He killed a woman in Sarasota. He is here.
Crap, I hope he doesn't have a chance at parole.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:49:37pm |
Dark I should warn you in regards to the Tomb of Dead Political Gods that I'm probably only going to be on for another half an hour or so... waking up at 7:15 instead of sleeping in till 10:00 means I need to pack it in a lot earlier than normal... or what used to be normal.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:50:04pm |
re: #200 Alouette
You did what you had to do!
And, I trust it was worth the effort!
*waves*
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:50:38pm |
re: #199 NJDhockeyfan
Say what?
Washington funds Palestinian campaign
When are they going to fund billboards in Gaza sending the same message to the Palis?
Such Billboards in Gaza would be ripped down, and the people who put them up would be killed. If the DoS is doing this, then they are either actively trying to put Israel in a false position, or simply delusional. Because right now the Palis want genocide, not peace.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:50:46pm |
re: #199 NJDhockeyfan
Say what?
Washington funds Palestinian campaign
When are they going to fund billboards in Gaza sending the same message to the Palis?
You know what, for once/one of the rare times out there, I agree with you. We should have the exact same message with respectively appropreate pictures going up on the other side of the fence/wall/whatever its called.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:50:53pm |
re: #202 jamesfirecat
What, you got a job, or something?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:51:40pm |
re: #202 jamesfirecat
Dark I should warn you in regards to the Tomb of Dead Political Gods that I'm probably only going to be on for another half an hour or so... waking up at 7:15 instead of sleeping in till 10:00 means I need to pack it in a lot earlier than normal... or what used to be normal.
So noted. I'll give it a bit more before you have to turn in. I just need to finish my snack.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:52:40pm |
re: #204 Dark_Falcon
Such Billboards in Gaza would be ripped down, and the people who put them up would be killed. If the DoS is doing this, then they are either actively trying to put Israel in a false position, or simply delusional. Because right now the Palis want genocide, not peace.
Exactly right. The WH is sending a message to the wrong side.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:53:27pm |
re: #205 jamesfirecat
You know what, for once/one of the rare times out there, I agree with you. We should have the exact same message with respectively appropreate pictures going up on the other side of the fence/wall/whatever its called.
Thank you. I wonder if this is going to be covered by the MSM.
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jamesfirecat Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:54:12pm |
re: #206 Floral Giraffe
What, you got a job, or something?
Yes, I'm working at a start up company.
So until they stat making money I won't discover the fun world of federal taxes and no doubt be instantly transformed into a republican.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:54:13pm |
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:54:50pm |
re: #203 Floral Giraffe
You did what you had to do!
And, I trust it was worth the effort!
*waves*
We had a semi-family reunion six years ago, where the Moscow, Canadian and New York families all came to visit for the weekend. On Sunday, the Canadians had to leave so the others decided to accompany them on a day trip to Canada.
BAD IDEA.
The Moscow family was kept at the border for four frackin hours when they tried to come back into the U.S. because my daughter-in-law had a 90-day tourist visa that did not specify a visit to Canada.
My 4-year-old granddaughter was sitting in the car and crying "But ve are Am-air-ee-kahns! in her very Russian accent.
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:55:00pm |
re: #204 Dark_Falcon
Such Billboards in Gaza would be ripped down, and the people who put them up would be killed. If the DoS is doing this, then they are either actively trying to put Israel in a false position, or simply delusional. Because right now the Palis want genocide, not peace.
That's a rather broad brush you're using there.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:55:08pm |
re: #200 Alouette
My son had to go to the U.S. Embassy in Moscow to claim U.S. citizenship for his kids. He had to provide proof of 14 years continuous residence in the U.S. This was not easy, because the schools he attended lost all his transcripts. We had to fax his vaccination records and his Bar Mitzvah invitation.
The whole experience is a nightmare...... no wonder people are hopping the fence.
Also...... the average (Jose) Joe cannot just get in line for a Green Card no matter what anyone says....... there has to be a reason and a very compelling reason for anyone to get over here........ just because (Jose) can pick lettuce doesn't mean squat.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:57:21pm |
re: #213 Gus 802
That's a rather broad brush you're using there.
I don't think so. The Palis who are running things are firing rockets daily and won't be happy until all the Israelis are driven into the sea.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:58:01pm |
What a freakish parade of the perils of inbreeding.
I have never seen so many corpulent, drooling, aging, morons in my life.
Behold your base GOP - a collection of dimwits, ignorant fools and frankly classless, tasteless and repulsive white trash.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:58:21pm |
re: #210 jamesfirecat
Yes, I'm working at a start up company.
So until they stat making money I won't discover the fun world of federal taxes and no doubt be instantly transformed into a republican.
I've been paying the IRS their share since 1996, and so far nothing has happened to me politically. I remain a bleeding-heart liberal with a realpolitik streak.
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:59:05pm |
re: #216 NJDhockeyfan
I don't think so. The Palis who are running things are firing rockets daily and won't be happy until all the Israelis are driven into the sea.
You're entitled to your opinion on this matter. I don't buy it though. Yes there are problems but there is hope. I won't bother saying anything further since there isn't room for open discussion on this matter here.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:59:09pm |
re: #217 LudwigVanQuixote
What a freakish parade of the perils of inbreeding.
I have never seen so many corpulent, drooling, aging, morons in my life.
Behold your base GOP - a collection of dimwits, ignorant fools and frankly classless, tasteless and repulsive white trash.
Holy adjective overload, Batman!
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 8:59:50pm |
James, my best friend just called. The story will have to be paused for a time.
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jaunte Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:00:45pm |
re: #211 SanFranciscoZionist
She makes some excellent points about the need for engagement rather than either unthinking rejection or acquiescence.
If Park51 gets built, thanks to its provocative location the nation will scrutinize what takes place inside. Americans have the opportunity right now to be clear about the civic values expected from any Islam practiced at the site.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:01:46pm |
re: #217 LudwigVanQuixote
What a freakish parade of the perils of inbreeding.
I have never seen so many corpulent, drooling, aging, morons in my life.
Behold your base GOP - a collection of dimwits, ignorant fools and frankly classless, tasteless and repulsive white trash.
It's a good thing they weren't asked about AGW or you would have blown a gasket.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:02:06pm |
Shit, my washing machine just broke. It's a Maytag, a freaking Maytag for crap sake.
Just a broken belt, because I thought I could get away with stuffing the mattress pad in there.
Gotta call the Maytag repair person tomorrow, that's assuming he's not laid off, retired or dead.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:02:31pm |
Well, hit here. The end is near.
//
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:03:19pm |
I wish for you all, nothing but the best.
May you find your dreams, in the waking world.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:03:52pm |
re: #225 Alouette
Shit, my washing machine just broke. It's a Maytag, a freaking Maytag for crap sake.
Just a broken belt, because I thought I could get away with stuffing the mattress pad in there.
Gotta call the Maytag repair person tomorrow, that's assuming he's not laid off, retired or dead.
Order a belt online........ do it yourself..... unless it's under warranty.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:04:32pm |
re: #217 LudwigVanQuixote
*smooch*
Later, taters!
And handsome young scientists, too!
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jamesfirecat Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:04:57pm |
re: #221 Dark_Falcon
James, my best friend just called. The story will have to be paused for a time.
Fine I should be hitting the sack just about now anyway...
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:05:06pm |
re: #223 jaunte
She makes some excellent points about the need for engagement rather than either unthinking rejection or acquiescence.
As always, I think she's interesting, but I do have some questions. She's talking about the same religious issues modern Judaism wrestled/wrestles with, and I have come down on the side of those who do not withdraw support from more traditionalist groups, even when I disagree with them.
Many community centers have women-only swim hours. I attend synagogues on a regular basis where women don't lead mixed prayers. I love the idea of a Reform mosque, but if I would give money to my local Orthodox shul, why not this mosque?
The Rushdie issue, the political issues, are a different thing again.
Food for thought. But because it's Irshad, I actually feel challenged to think, instead of assigned a set of thoughts. And she's working on a new book!!
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:06:30pm |
re: #228 Mr Pancakes
Order a belt online... do it yourself... unless it's under warranty.
That's Zedushka's job, and he doesn't want to do it, he told me to call the repair service.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:08:03pm |
re: #233 Alouette
That's Zedushka's job, and he doesn't want to do it, he told me to call the repair service.
Have you tried yelling at the machine?
Kicking it?
/
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:09:21pm |
I like them bitching about elitists... Yes with all of that education and intelligence, thinking they know more and are smarter than good, trailer trash like the Beck crowd!
The people of Wallmart deserve respect too!
How dare those elitists look down on ignorant, dull witted and incoherent swine from the dregs of America?!?
So many slack jaws. So few coherent thoughts. Where do I start?
The great failure of our democracy is that we have allowed morons, superstitious freaks, paranoid delusionals and general low class scum balls the same voice as productive people.
Think about it. Those people in those interviews have barely a functioning 5th grade education. By what sane standard does their vote count the same as someone who isn't mentally deficient?
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:11:48pm |
re: #235 LudwigVanQuixote
Think about it. Those people in those interviews have barely a functioning 5th grade education. By what sane standard does their vote count the same as someone who isn't mentally deficient?
Should we bring back the literacy requirement?
///
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:11:58pm |
re: #235 LudwigVanQuixote
I like them bitching about elitists... Yes with all of that education and intelligence, thinking they know more and are smarter than good, trailer trash like the Beck crowd!
The people of Wallmart deserve respect too!
How dare those elitists look down on ignorant, dull witted and incoherent swine from the dregs of America?!?
So many slack jaws. So few coherent thoughts. Where do I start?
The great failure of our democracy is that we have allowed morons, superstitious freaks, paranoid delusionals and general low class scum balls the same voice as productive people.
Think about it. Those people in those interviews have barely a functioning 5th grade education. By what sane standard does their vote count the same as someone who isn't mentally deficient?
After this post, Mr Pancakes looks around nervously realizing he shops at Walmart.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:12:11pm |
re: #224 Mr Pancakes
It's a good thing they weren't asked about AGW or you would have blown a gasket.
I am not blowing any gaskets. The drooling racist hypocrisy and the fact that these trailer trash can be led by the nose by one as freakishly unworthy as man baby Beck is sufficient to raise my level of disgust past the red line.
Seriously - that gruesome parade of recessive genes actually considers Beck to be clever.
It gives me the hebe-jeebies.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:13:09pm |
re: #235 LudwigVanQuixote
The great failure of our democracy is that we have allowed morons, superstitious freaks, paranoid delusionals and general low class scum balls the same voice as productive people.
Think about it. Those people in those interviews have barely a functioning 5th grade education. By what sane standard does their vote count the same as someone who isn't mentally deficient?
Christ Almighty. And you tell US conservatives hate democracy. Holy fucking shit.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:13:44pm |
re: #238 LudwigVanQuixote
I am not blowing any gaskets. The drooling racist hypocrisy and the fact that these trailer trash can be led by the nose by one as freakishly unworthy as man baby Beck is sufficient to raise my level of disgust past the red line.
Seriously - that gruesome parade of recessive genes actually considers Beck to be clever.
It gives me the hebe-jeebies.
I say this as someone who already considers you a creep so take it as you will, but this is seriously close to eugenics LVQ
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:14:33pm |
re: #236 Alouette
Should we bring back the literacy requirement?
///
If it were done in a way that did not discriminate against race or creed unfairly, I would be all for it.
Of course, the only way to insure that would be to have a proper public education system in place, that had sufficient resources provided to teach all students, for at least a generation.
But yes, if we had a system like that, I would be all for it. I would also add a mathematical requirement. Picking politicians means talking economics. If you can't manage algebra, you are not qualified.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:14:37pm |
re: #239 TheMatrix31
Christ Almighty. And you tell US conservatives hate democracy. Holy fucking shit.
Quoted for truth.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:14:54pm |
re: #240 McSpiff
I say this as someone who already considers you a creep so take it as you will, but this is seriously close to eugenics LVQ
Downding for the insult.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:15:54pm |
re: #238 LudwigVanQuixote
I am not blowing any gaskets. The drooling racist hypocrisy and the fact that these trailer trash can be led by the nose by one as freakishly unworthy as man baby Beck is sufficient to raise my level of disgust past the red line.
Seriously - that gruesome parade of recessive genes actually considers Beck to be clever.
It gives me the hebe-jeebies.
Ya know...... I have friends that are trailer trash dude....... not everyone could get an "edumacation". Doesn't make me hate them.
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Ojoe Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:16:00pm |
re: #235 LudwigVanQuixote
The great failure of our democracy is that we have allowed morons, superstitious freaks, paranoid delusionals and general low class scum balls the same voice as productive people.
Think about it. Those people in those interviews have barely a functioning 5th grade education. By what sane standard does their vote count the same as someone who isn't mentally deficient?
What you say is true, but it would be even worse to set up a gate-keeper to keep out the rif-raff. That would be a post open to immense abuse, and a sure path to the reinstatement of a nobility.
The real world is far from perfect. But it could be worse.
Good night all.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:16:12pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:16:29pm |
re: #240 McSpiff
Well If I weer discussing sterilizing them perhaps, but I'm not.
It's ok McSpiff, I think you are an utter asshole.
Your anti-Israel crap is not lost ion me and your general whiny BS is not either.
So don't worry. No love is lost with you at all.
Take it as you will from someone who considers you an obnoxious moron.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:16:48pm |
re: #246 Ojoe
What you say is true, but it would be even worse to set up a gate-keeper to keep out the rif-raff. That would be a post open to immense abuse, and a sure path to the reinstatement of a nobility.
The real world is far from perfect. But it could be worse.
Good night all.
The long and the short of it.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:16:52pm |
re: #241 LudwigVanQuixote
If it were done in a way that did not discriminate against race or creed unfairly, I would be all for it.
Of course, the only way to insure that would be to have a proper public education system in place, that had sufficient resources provided to teach all students, for at least a generation.
But yes, if we had a system like that, I would be all for it. I would also add a mathematical requirement. Picking politicians means talking economics. If you can't manage algebra, you are not qualified.
So All men are created equal is just a bunch of bullshit to you in that case? Too bad the unwashed masses will never let you have your technocracy. O wait, no, the other thing. Thank the founding fathers!
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:17:43pm |
re: #244 Gus 802
Remain calm after he completely trashes the very democracy he constantly talks up while trashing those he thinks are anti-democracy?
Ok.
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freetoken Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:18:01pm |
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:18:18pm |
re: #253 TheMatrix31
Remain calm after he completely trashes the very democracy he constantly talks up while trashing those he thinks are anti-democracy?
Ok.
OK, I'll admit. I don't read everything.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:18:27pm |
re: #249 LudwigVanQuixote
Shouldn't you be playing Scientist-King with your lego by now? Talk about living in a fantasy land.
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:19:05pm |
Plus I had my nose in the US Aid and Geneva Initiative websites.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:19:16pm |
re: #245 Mr Pancakes
Ya know... I have friends that are trailer trash dude... not everyone could get an "edumacation". Doesn't make me hate them.
No, but open hatred and being marched down a path of fear on the anniversary of MLK's I Have a Dream speech is detestable.
The whole thing is an abomination against Americanism in the name of Americanism.
These cretins would promote racial discrimination, remove religious liberties, un separate Church and State and destroy American science. They are in addition, classless, tasteless and repulsive.
So no, no love from me at all.
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tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:19:22pm |
re: #245 Mr Pancakes
Ya know... I have friends that are trailer trash dude... not everyone could get an "edumacation". Doesn't make me hate them.
I don't have a college education. Life happened. I do educate myself about the issues, though. I don't think a person has to have a doctorate to discuss the issues, but it does help if you educate yourself on the issues you wish to speak about.
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Nimed Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:19:29pm |
re: #235 LudwigVanQuixote
LVQ, I like you, but sometimes you kinda freak me out.
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cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:19:30pm |
re: #235 LudwigVanQuixote
I like them bitching about elitists... Yes with all of that education and intelligence, thinking they know more and are smarter than good, trailer trash like the Beck crowd!
The people of Wallmart deserve respect too!
How dare those elitists look down on ignorant, dull witted and incoherent swine from the dregs of America?!?
So many slack jaws. So few coherent thoughts. Where do I start?
The great failure of our democracy is that we have allowed morons, superstitious freaks, paranoid delusionals and general low class scum balls the same voice as productive people.
Think about it. Those people in those interviews have barely a functioning 5th grade education. By what sane standard does their vote count the same as someone who isn't mentally deficient?
I'd suggest you take a step back, because this post is really bad and you will probably regret saying this stuff.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:19:37pm |
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:19:43pm |
re: #255 Gus 802
OK, I'll admit. I don't read everything.
I just look down upon the squabbles from my Ivory Tower.
*Sips uber-expensive coffee*
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:20:04pm |
re: #256 McSpiff
Shouldn't you be playing Scientist-King with your lego by now? Talk about living in a fantasy land.
Bwahahahaha! Now that's funny right there. :P
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:20:15pm |
re: #263 Varek Raith
I just look down upon the squabbles from my Ivory Tower.
*Sips uber-expensive coffee*
Yeah. My sister is working at Walmart now.
My hair's on fire! ;)
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tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:20:26pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:20:39pm |
re: #263 Varek Raith
I just look down upon the squabbles from my Ivory Tower.
*Sips uber-expensive coffee*
As long as it's not that weird stuff that's already been eaten by foxes or whatever.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:20:59pm |
re: #253 TheMatrix31
Remain calm after he completely trashes the very democracy he constantly talks up while trashing those he thinks are anti-democracy?
Ok.
Don't discriminate against race or creed...but keep that white trash out of his Real America!
I'd like to thank LVQ for reminding us that both sides of the aisle have their nutcases, and we need to keep them in check. The spew he's posting here is worse than anything Beck said in DC...
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:21:04pm |
re: #268 SanFranciscoZionist
As long as it's not that weird stuff that's already been eaten by foxes or whatever.
Nope. That's nasty coffee.
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jaunte Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:21:11pm |
re: #267 tnguitarist
That second pic is all kind of awesome.
Teaching your dog to drive has got to be some kind of talent.
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:21:16pm |
re: #268 SanFranciscoZionist
As long as it's not that weird stuff that's already been eaten by foxes or whatever.
Civet
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:22:02pm |
re: #235 LudwigVanQuixote
The great failure of our democracy is that we have allowed morons, superstitious freaks, paranoid delusionals and general low class scum balls the same voice as productive people.
Think about it. Those people in those interviews have barely a functioning 5th grade education. By what sane standard does their vote count the same as someone who isn't mentally deficient?
I'd only support a testing system for voter registration provided that I get to design the test. The problem is, everybody else in America feels the same way.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:22:07pm |
re: #251 Gus 802
I'm from the UN and I'm here to help!
/// ;)
OMG!! BLACK HELICOPTERS!!1
[runs around screaming]
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:22:33pm |
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:22:34pm |
re: #269 McSpiff
Oh yeah. Ohhh yeah. This ranks up there with the whole "you should just go to North Korea" thing during the KSM discussions.
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freetoken Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:22:35pm |
re: #267 tnguitarist
That second pic is all kind of awesome.
There's a certain something - I'm sure the French have a word for it - about color coordinating a cute outfit for your dog with your own clothes and then driving around a store in a cart laced with plastic flowers in a clashing shade of pink... I just don't know what that something is.
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:22:49pm |
re: #271 jaunte
Teaching your dog to drive has got to be some kind of talent.
Teach a dog to drive, and he will be able to get his own damn dry food.
/
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:23:11pm |
Look, LVQ, I understand where the impulse comes from. The idea that our elected representatives are chosen by people who can't name the basics of US civics or history is a little scary.
However, that is an idea kind of like the one that some of us get when we read about child abuse. Namely, to freak out and say there should be a ministry in charge of when people are allowed to have kids.
Then you start thinking about what kind of people would run it, and how it would work out in the real world, and no. Just no. The resulting abuses would be worse than the current system.
So, no. No literacy tests. No asking about bubbles in a bar of soap.
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Vicious Babushka Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:23:37pm |
re: #274 Dark_Falcon
OMG!! BLACK HELICOPTERS!!1
[runs around screaming]
My other car is a Black Helicopter. Courtesy of the Zionist Remulakian Overlords.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:23:38pm |
re: #259 tnguitarist
I don't have a college education. Life happened. I do educate myself about the issues, though. I don't think a person has to have a doctorate to discuss the issues, but it does help if you educate yourself on the issues you wish to speak about.
Ok...... some people just aren't into caring about the issues and will follow the path of least resistance...... I've already spoken about my dislike for the people on the video, even though it was edited for effect.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:23:52pm |
re: #252 McSpiff
So All men are created equal is just a bunch of bullshit to you in that case? Too bad the unwashed masses will never let you have your technocracy. O wait, no, the other thing. Thank the founding fathers!
So your ability to read is blinded by your hatred of me.
No, all men are created equal does not men that all men have the same licences. It means that all have the same opportunities given them by society. As to moral worth, I make no claims. Intelligence and education have nothing to do with how good a person is. However, they have everything to do with their qualifications to make difficult and important choices.
Just like we don't let any of those twits hold a scalpel and perform surgery - because lives are at stake - we should not let them influence national policy - because lives are at stake.
But, you failed to read the conditional statement I had about making certain that education was fair to all first. That's fine.
You are laboring under the delusion that I give a shit what you think.
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Ojoe Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:23:56pm |
Ruby Ann's Down Home Trailer Park Cookbook.
I have a copy. Let's not be elitist here. There are good people everywhere.
Good night again.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:23:56pm |
re: #277 freetoken
There's a certain something - I'm sure the French have a word for it - about color coordinating a cute outfit for your dog with your own clothes and then driving around a store in a cart laced with plastic flowers in a clashing shade of pink... I just don't know what that something is.
Je ne sais quois?
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:24:01pm |
re: #266 Gus 802
Yeah. My sister is working at Walmart now.
My hair's on fire! ;)
And I'm a WalMart shopper.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:24:39pm |
re: #276 TheMatrix31
Oh yeah. Ohhh yeah. This ranks up there with the whole "you should just go to North Korea" thing during the KSM discussions.
I was more thinking his blood in the street speeches that Charles had to go through and delete, least we all get labeled as nut cases.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:25:15pm |
re: #269 McSpiff
The spew he's posting here is worse than anything Beck said in DC...
Not a difficult bar to jump over. Beck pretty much wimped out of saying anything remotely controversial at the rally. America is great, religion is awesome, rah rah. Even Palin said "don't retreat" without adding "reload" (though from the applause everybody seems to have known it was implied). I'm pretty liberal, and I didn't hear anything much in the speeches that I'd have any qualms with. Which kind of makes the rally a failure on those grounds alone.
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webevintage Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:25:21pm |
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freetoken Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:25:24pm |
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:25:54pm |
re: #235 LudwigVanQuixote
The website eated it.
Regards...
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:26:57pm |
re: #241 LudwigVanQuixote
That's not possible, and i think you know it....
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:27:46pm |
re: #285 reine.de.tout
And I'm a WalMart shopper.
My wife took the kids there yesterday. They provide great prices and a lot of employment. I have no problem with them. They are no different than Target.
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:28:07pm |
re: #285 reine.de.tout
And I'm a WalMart shopper.
I have serious qualms about the people in this video but I didn't find it shocking. Seemed like standard Tea Party talking points and nothing that I would call extremist. I think they're misguided and have been exposed to far too much misinformation.
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tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:28:25pm |
My father-in-law had the reading comprehension of a middle school student. He couldn't do algebra if he had a gun to his head. But when it comes to 'farm' math, taxes, etc., he's a damn whiz. He also keeps himself very informed on current political issues and votes according. He would probably be considered a rube by some, but he has every right in the world to vote. And I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:28:28pm |
re: #259 tnguitarist
I don't have a college education. Life happened. I do educate myself about the issues, though. I don't think a person has to have a doctorate to discuss the issues, but it does help if you educate yourself on the issues you wish to speak about.
And I didn't say that one needed a PhD. to vote.
I am saying that if you are so stupid that you think Beck is a great leader, then you are clearly not mentally capable of voting rationally.
Why is voting held less seriously than driving a car? We don't let impared people drive.
We should as a society insulate ourselves from the equivalent of drunken voting.
Now where the line is, or how to implement it fairly I do not know. I think it is something like pornography where something can be clearly over the line - even if you do not know where it is - however, I would think that believing that Beck is anything rational or sensible is prima-fascia evidence of inability to reason and makes one prima fascia incompetent to vote.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:28:34pm |
re: #282 LudwigVanQuixote
So your ability to read is blinded by your hatred of me.
No, all men are created equal does not men that all men have the same licences. It means that all have the same opportunities given them by society. As to moral worth, I make no claims. Intelligence and education have nothing to do with how good a person is. However, they have everything to do with their qualifications to make difficult and important choices.
Just like we don't let any of those twits hold a scalpel and perform surgery - because lives are at stake - we should not let them influence national policy - because lives are at stake.
But, you failed to read the conditional statement I had about making certain that education was fair to all first. That's fine.
You are laboring under the delusion that I give a shit what you think.
And you're having delusions of grander again. You're supporting Jim Crow-esque laws because you feel your side has the advantage. If any right wing Lizard posted this your cries of "Nazi!" would be heard for weeks. Give it up, you're a hyper partisan hack who doesn't give two shits about America or her constitution.
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Stanghazi Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:28:56pm |
re: #267 tnguitarist
That second pic is all kind of awesome.
Thank goodness, because the first one sucks. What a dick.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:29:07pm |
re: #294 Gus 802
Seemed like standard Tea Party talking points and nothing that I would call extremist.
"Obama is a communist" isn't extremist?
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:29:25pm |
re: #289 freetoken
Is that French for "People of Walmart"?
No.
The translation is "les gens de WalMart".
lol.
WalMart is WalMart in all languages.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:30:03pm |
re: #258 LudwigVanQuixote
No, but open hatred and being marched down a path of fear on the anniversary of MLK's I Have a Dream speech is detestable.
The whole thing is an abomination against Americanism in the name of Americanism.
These cretins would promote racial discrimination, remove religious liberties, un separate Church and State and destroy American science. They are in addition, classless, tasteless and repulsive.
So no, no love from me at all.
Why is it detestable? I guess Beck signed up for the spot before Shaprton did for that day? This is America Ludwig. As much as we hate it.... you must deal.
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:30:06pm |
re: #299 elbruce
"Obama is a communist" isn't extremist?
Yeah. But it's almost like they say it out of routine. Without thinking that is. If that makes any sense.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:30:25pm |
re: #296 LudwigVanQuixote
"If you support the other guy, you must be too crazy to vote!"
Punitive psychiatry in the Soviet Union
In the Soviet Union, psychiatry was used for punitive purposes. Psychiatric hospitals were used by the authorities as prisons in order to isolate hundreds or thousands of political prisoners from the rest of society, discredit their ideas, and break them physically and mentally; as such they are considered a form of torture. This method was also employed against religious prisoners, including especially well-educated atheists who converted to a religion; in such cases their religious faith was determined to be a form of mental illness that needed to be cured.
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freetoken Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:31:26pm |
re: #294 Gus 802
... I think they're misguided and have been exposed to far too much misinformation.
Yes, they're misguided. Yet the problem remains - how many of them are willingly misguided? For instance, the guy who absolutely refused to believe that Beck ranted once about Obama being racist, etc. That guy wouldn't engage - he didn't even ask to be shown proof. That's because he doesn't want to look for evidence contrary to his current belief.
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:31:52pm |
re: #306 freetoken
Yes, they're misguided. Yet the problem remains - how many of them are willingly misguided? For instance, the guy who absolutely refused to believe that Beck ranted once about Obama being racist, etc. That guy wouldn't engage - he didn't even ask to be shown proof. That's because he doesn't want to look for evidence contrary to his current belief.
I didn't like that guy.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:33:02pm |
re: #294 Gus 802
I have serious qualms about the people in this video but I didn't find it shocking. Seemed like standard Tea Party talking points and nothing that I would call extremist. I think they're misguided and have been exposed to far too much misinformation.
They are misguided.
What I find sad is that they're following Beck/Palin/Etc., rather than turning to the damned few sane conservative "leaders" right now, who've been labelled "RINO!" and are out of favor. It's a mess.
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Dancing along the light of day Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:33:12pm |
re: #296 LudwigVanQuixote
Hugs, smooches & you know you're hitting a nerve here.
Be well, dear sir.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:33:31pm |
re: #300 reine.de.tout
No.
The translation is "les gens de WalMart".
lol.
WalMart is WalMart in all languages.
There are about eighty five language spoken in the city of San Francisco. "Muni" (our bus system) sounds the same in all of them. Usually spoken in a tone that implies that a cuss word is modifying it.
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cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:35:19pm |
re: #296 LudwigVanQuixote
And I didn't say that one needed a PhD. to vote.
I am saying that if you are so stupid that you think Beck is a great leader, then you are clearly not mentally capable of voting rationally.
Why is voting held less seriously than driving a car? We don't let impared people drive.
We should as a society insulate ourselves from the equivalent of drunken voting.
Now where the line is, or how to implement it fairly I do not know. I think it is something like pornography where something can be clearly over the line - even if you do not know where it is - however, I would think that believing that Beck is anything rational or sensible is prima-fascia evidence of inability to reason and makes one prima fascia incompetent to vote.
you should read the federalist papers. very smart people that though through these very things in great detail.
I think it would be apropos, in the context of our modern-day solution to problems, for the rule to be, "you have to pass a test on The Federalist Papers" in order to vote.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:36:26pm |
re: #311 cliffster
you should read the federalist papers. very smart people that though through these very things in great detail.
I think it would be apropos, in the context of our modern-day solution to problems, for the rule to be, "you have to pass a test on The Federalist Papers" in order to vote.
Ah, but in light of Beck's new, improved history, who gets to decide what the Federalist Papers say?
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tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:36:46pm |
These people are ignorant in the true definition of the word. But instead of being combative, I take it upon myself to educate people like this about facts and current events. I have calm discussions where I hopefully chip away at their preconceptions and misconceptions.
Hearts and minds, people. Hearts and minds.
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cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:37:17pm |
re: #312 SanFranciscoZionist
not to worry - they have the original Federalist Papers Scrolls
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freetoken Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:37:25pm |
re: #300 reine.de.tout
WalMart is WalMart in all languages.
Aha! Then "WalMart" will become the new Rosetta Stone, for when aliens land on this planet 10 million years from now and try to decipher what little remains of the writings of Homo sapiens.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:37:26pm |
re: #253 TheMatrix31
Remain calm after he completely trashes the very democracy he constantly talks up while trashing those he thinks are anti-democracy?
Ok.
Well matrix, I know that you think you have a gotcha.
But you misunderstand me completely.
Have you ever read Plato's Republic?
I am saying nothing more than he said - with a more egalitarian bent than him - and honestly referring to the very impetus that caused the founding fathers to create the electoral college.
The difference between my views, and conservatives like you is that I believe everyone should start fairly and have the same chances. I don't discriminate based on race, religion or wealth.
I discriminate based on qualification for a job.
If you can't do algebra, you clearly can't talk economics sensibly.
Or science.
If you don't know history, what hope do you have of understanding policy?
If you can't make two coherent sentences abut what it is you are so fired up about, what business do you have getting fired up.
Now I know that reading what I am writing consistently is beyond you. You will fixate on phrases out of context. That's fine.
But I have a simple question. If you would not trust these people to pass 5th grade, why would you trust them with the future of a nation?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:38:20pm |
re: #293 NJDhockeyfan
My wife took the kids there yesterday. They provide great prices and a lot of employment. I have no problem with them. They are no different than Target.
Nor do I. They are opening a store in Chicago this year. It'll provide jobs and good food price to an area in need of both. Walmart is not a font of evil or stupidity. When I worked for Sprint, I worked near a Walmart and I sometimes shopped there.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:38:20pm |
re: #313 tnguitarist
These people are ignorant in the true definition of the word. But instead of being combative, I take it upon myself to educate people like this about facts and current events. I have calm discussions where I hopefully chip away at their preconceptions and misconceptions.
Hearts and minds, people. Hearts and minds.
Huh, I ignore them. I have no desire to educate them. If they want to live like that, whatever.
Then again, I'm a jerk.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:38:24pm |
This is a perfect example of "its only evil when the other guy does it", and it shows why principles are so much more important than politics. Some people are dying to extract revenge on what they consider undesirables. We honestly have a poster here tonight suggesting that people don't all deserve the same basic human rights --the very heart of democracy.
Don't excuse it because you like the poster, or his politics or his science. If LVQ was talking about Muslims or Blacks or anyone else, the uproar would be deafening.
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:39:00pm |
re: #308 reine.de.tout
They are misguided.
What I find sad is that they're following Beck/Palin/Etc., rather than turning to the damned few sane conservative "leaders" right now, who've been labelled "RINO!" and are out of favor. It's a mess.
They need to seek other sources of information. It doesn't have to be liberal sources per se (in their case) but they seem to be bombarded with an onslaught of standards talking points and memes. Or at least to tone down some of the more off the wall talking points. It's frustrating if one has to engage in this with family members or friends. I find myself occasionally running into this from a more leftist point of view with my siblings and I usually say things like "you don't actually believe that do you?"
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tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:39:39pm |
re: #316 LudwigVanQuixote
If you can't do algebra, you clearly can't talk economics sensibly.
I tend to agree with you on most issues, but with statement like this I think you leave one thing out of the equation. Life experience.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:39:57pm |
re: #316 LudwigVanQuixote
And if you don't accept the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal savior, you can't understand love or morality.
See? You really don't want the majority to define the criteria for who can vote or who can't. Because the rules would be set by the very people you apparently fear so much.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:40:08pm |
re: #316 LudwigVanQuixote
So why did you trust the many, MANY idiotic people who voted in 2008? All the people who couldn't give a shit less about politics who exercised their right to vote? The right that millions of people have fought to preserve? Hell, I hated that THEY influenced the future of the nation, but fuck me if I'm going to say they shouldnt be allowed to vote.
Fuck that shit.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:40:13pm |
re: #297 McSpiff
No not at all, you are simply trying to pick a fight. I do not discriminate on race, creed, or sexual orientation. I do discriminate against morons like you however.
For all of your bluster, these people represent a drolling neo-nazi movement forming in America. These are the future brown shirts who will send all of our values into the crapper.
And the more I look it isn't because they are inherently evil, it is because they are just so fucking stupid.
But don't let the reality of what I am saying detract from your little vendetta against me.
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tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:40:21pm |
re: #318 Varek Raith
Huh, I ignore them. I have no desire to educate them. If they want to live like that, whatever.
Then again, I'm a jerk.
It's really the only way I stay sane sometimes.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:40:40pm |
re: #313 tnguitarist
These people are ignorant in the true definition of the word. But instead of being combative, I take it upon myself to educate people like this about facts and current events. I have calm discussions where I hopefully chip away at their preconceptions and misconceptions.
Hearts and minds, people. Hearts and minds.
And I agree with you.
I managed, yesterday, to have a calm conversation with my cousin about the Park51 project; and convinced her there is no reason to oppose it. A small victory, but a victory nonetheless. And I didn't even have to call her any ugly names . . .
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:40:54pm |
re: #317 Dark_Falcon
Nor do I. They are opening a store in Chicago this year. It'll provide jobs and good food price to an area in need of both. Walmart is not a font of evil or stupidity. When I worked for Sprint, I worked near a Walmart and I sometimes shopped there.
It's just a store with good prices, that's it. The moonbats hate it for some reason. I just don't get it. If they hate it they shouldn't shop there.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:41:17pm |
re: #319 McSpiff
No, what I wrote would apply to any ignorant trash from any race. Sorry, but nice try there spiffy.
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tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:41:33pm |
re: #323 TheMatrix31
So why did you trust the many, MANY idiotic people who voted in 2008? All the people who couldn't give a shit less about politics who exercised their right to vote? The right that millions of people have fought to preserve? Hell, I hated that THEY influenced the future of the nation, but fuck me if I'm going to say they shouldnt be allowed to vote.
Fuck that shit.
Who is they and the many?
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:41:56pm |
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elizajane Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:42:03pm |
re: #312 SanFranciscoZionist
Ah, but in light of Beck's new, improved history, who gets to decide what the Federalist Papers say?
Yes, this is the problem: even beyond the obvious abuses historically seen in literacy tests, any idea that a certain "education" should be required for voters would be rampant with politicking; it would make the Texas education standards look like a sane and neutral discussion. Voting, in a true democracy, has to incorporate all in the hopes that the ill-informed will be equally distributed across the spectrum (yes, there are ignorant lefties) and will be balanced out by a better-informed majority.
I admit, however, that I do have moments of pessimism. One of my colleagues once startled me greatly by saying that he'd never voted in an American election because he didn't think that democracy was really a very good system. I was absolutely shocked, but occasionally I do see his point.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:42:32pm |
re: #316 LudwigVanQuixote
But I have a simple question. If you would not trust these people to pass 5th grade, why would you trust them with the future of a nation?
Because we are the people.
And because you can be just as crazy and reality-resistant as any of these folks, and be highly educated.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:42:52pm |
re: #316 LudwigVanQuixote
The difference between my views, and conservatives like you is that I believe everyone should start fairly and have the same chances. I don't discriminate based on race, religion or wealth.
Until it comes to my own children. I want them to succeed more than I want your children to succeed. Now, I do want yours to succeed, but not at the detriment of mine.
I know conservatives and non-conservatives that would gladly crawl over the bodies of my children to help their children achieve more success.
That's where the idea breaks down, IMO. Bunches of folks have children. There is zero chance that a caring parent will sacrifice their children for yours'.
I've worked very hard to make the playing field "un-level" in favor of mine.
Did that make sense?
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Stonemason Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:43:11pm |
re: #316 LudwigVanQuixote
You are one ignorant human being.
What condescending claptrap.
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:43:12pm |
re: #326 reine.de.tout
And I agree with you.
I managed, yesterday, to have a calm conversation with my cousin about the Park51 project; and convinced her there is no reason to oppose it. A small victory, but a victory nonetheless. And I didn't even have to call her any ugly names . . .
Hey. I voted for McCain in 08. The other day I asked my folks about Cordoba House and they're against it on "sensitivity grounds." Which is completely opposite of me. I didn't pursue anything though. Life and people can be complicated. They voted for Obama in 08 and Nader another year.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:43:12pm |
re: #327 NJDhockeyfan
It's just a store with good prices, that's it. The moonbats hate it for some reason. I just don't get it. If they hate it they shouldn't shop there.
I don't.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:43:55pm |
re: #316 LudwigVanQuixote
Well matrix, I know that you think you have a gotcha.
But you misunderstand me completely.
Have you ever read Plato's Republic?
I am saying nothing more than he said - with a more egalitarian bent than him - and honestly referring to the very impetus that caused the founding fathers to create the electoral college.
The difference between my views, and conservatives like you is that I believe everyone should start fairly and have the same chances. I don't discriminate based on race, religion or wealth.
I discriminate based on qualification for a job.
If you can't do algebra, you clearly can't talk economics sensibly.
Or science.
If you don't know history, what hope do you have of understanding policy?
If you can't make two coherent sentences abut what it is you are so fired up about, what business do you have getting fired up.
Now I know that reading what I am writing consistently is beyond you. You will fixate on phrases out of context. That's fine.
But I have a simple question. If you would not trust these people to pass 5th grade, why would you trust them with the future of a nation?
Voting test? God that's goofy.
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cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:44:06pm |
re: #333 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
that's one of the best posts ever
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:44:14pm |
re: #329 tnguitarist
Who is they and the many?
Clearly, the people who voted for Obama. Was that unclear?
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:44:18pm |
re: #317 Dark_Falcon
Nor do I. They are opening a store in Chicago this year. It'll provide jobs and good food price to an area in need of both. Walmart is not a font of evil or stupidity. When I worked for Sprint, I worked near a Walmart and I sometimes shopped there.
I'm there so often, they've given me my own personal parking spot!
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:44:38pm |
re: #323 TheMatrix31
I really think you should go find Mandy and ask her what she thinks. You're just out of your depth.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:44:38pm |
re: #324 LudwigVanQuixote
No not at all, you are simply trying to pick a fight. I do not discriminate on race, creed, or sexual orientation. I do discriminate against morons like you however.
For all of your bluster, these people represent a drolling neo-nazi movement forming in America. These are the future brown shirts who will send all of our values into the crapper.
And the more I look it isn't because they are inherently evil, it is because they are just so fucking stupid.
But don't let the reality of what I am saying detract from your little vendetta against me.
So a university educated, political aware poster here isn't smart enough to have the vote in LVQ's world. Why do I feel that "one man one vote" would literally be just that?
Make no mistake about it, LVQ just doesn't like that his side can lose elections. They can't be wrong, he supports them!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:44:58pm |
re: #322 McSpiff
Well, if you were reading what I wrote rather than blathering like an idiot, the very first thing I wrote, in response to Alouette would be that it would require a functioning education system that was fair to all and in place for over a generation.
The question was also strictly limited to an educational requirement.
Without that, such things would not work.
That was clear from what I wrote.
But do go on taking what I said out of context and twisting it into something it isn't.
And by the way, fuck you sideways.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:45:17pm |
re: #326 reine.de.tout
And I agree with you.
I managed, yesterday, to have a calm conversation with my cousin about the Park51 project; and convinced her there is no reason to oppose it. A small victory, but a victory nonetheless. And I didn't even have to call her any ugly names . . .
Some people on here should read this comment and take notes. Reine shows you how to have a conversation with people you disagree with and speak like adults.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:45:22pm |
re: #304 Gus 802
Yeah. But it's almost like they say it out of routine. Without thinking that is. If that makes any sense.
That's even worse. At the point where you're mumbling extremist statements robotically, you've gone completely into 1984-think.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:45:35pm |
re: #323 TheMatrix31
So why did you trust the many, MANY idiotic people who voted in 2008? All the people who couldn't give a shit less about politics who exercised their right to vote? The right that millions of people have fought to preserve? Hell, I hated that THEY influenced the future of the nation, but fuck me if I'm going to say they shouldnt be allowed to vote.
Fuck that shit.
Quite Concur. There is also the fact that if an ability to understand economics were required, there would be a great many liberals who would get the hook.
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tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:46:04pm |
re: #327 NJDhockeyfan
It's just a store with good prices, that's it. The moonbats hate it for some reason. I just don't get it. If they hate it they shouldn't shop there.
I actually dislike them because I feel like they hurt small businesses. They've essentially ended the Mom'n'Pop era. They ruined the nursery business of a family friend.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:46:05pm |
re: #326 reine.de.tout
I got all "Fightie McPunchie" with my SIL yesterday about it.
Really. She's not speaking to me now.
That's not so bad, really.
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freetoken Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:47:39pm |
Speaking of education, here is a vid of PZed that is getting the rounds on blogs:
The title is "Speaking Truth to Absurdity", which I think is very appropriate to LGF.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:47:41pm |
re: #343 LudwigVanQuixote
Well, if you were reading what I wrote rather than blathering like an idiot, the very first thing I wrote, in response to Alouette would be that it would require a functioning education system that was fair to all and in place for over a generation.
Wouldn't matter. Let me be the one who designs the voter registration test and I'll prove it.
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Varek Raith Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:48:35pm |
You all need timeouts!
Go sit in the corner!
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:48:46pm |
The difference between my views, and conservatives like you is that I believe everyone should start fairly and have the same chances. I don't discriminate based on race, religion or wealth.
Yet you want to exclude a shitload of people from voting because you deem them too unintelligent to vote.
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cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:49:20pm |
it kinda rained a little today for about five minutes, and then it stopped. thought it might start up again, but it didn't.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:49:23pm |
re: #348 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
I got all "Fightie McPunchie" with my SIL yesterday about it.
Really. She's not speaking to me now.
That's not so bad, really.
Aw, c'mon.
Surely you want family peace?
I never accused cuz'n of being anything awful. Just laid out facts and my conclusions - she asked a couple of questions - I answered 'em - she was convinced to change her mind.
The information and discussions here gave me all the "ammunition" I needed.
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:49:45pm |
re: #345 elbruce
That's even worse. At the point where you're mumbling extremist statements robotically, you've gone completely into 1984-think.
That's because I tend to go into nurture mode. I see it as their being something outside of their own control. It is group think and it also become a matter of peer pressure and social acceptance. People tend to adopt personal beliefs based on those base needs.
It's not really a new phenomenon though. Many on the right have been calling people Commies for decades now -- since the 1950s. Archie Bunker's character was based on real life examples. My brother belongs to an RC group and he's pretty left. He laughingly told me that they call him the "resident Commie."
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:49:47pm |
I'm calling an 8 hour time out...
G'night knuckleheads.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:50:34pm |
re: #341 Cato the Elder
I really think you should go find Mandy and ask her what she thinks. You're just out of your depth.
Cato...... how are you doing man?
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:50:40pm |
re: #343 LudwigVanQuixote
I'm trying to save you from yourself. You aren't an expert at economics, despite what you may think.. You're a good scientist. That doesn't magically extend into other fields. Certainly aren't a good constitutional scholar or philosopher. You don't know how to do many, many things in this world. What if the test was successfully grow and harvest corn? Rebuild a motor? What? You don't think these are important? Too bad, that's just your opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. And good luck living without people who can do either.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:50:51pm |
re: #356 reine.de.tout
(I laid the potential murder of children during a potential anti-Muslim attack at her feet)...
She like that not much.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:51:47pm |
re: #361 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
(I laid the potential murder of children during a potential anti-Muslim attack at her feet)...
She like that not much.
oooh.
Well, she really needs to think about it.
Maybe she will.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:52:01pm |
re: #359 Mr Pancakes
Doesn't seem like he's anything out of his ordinary self.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:52:55pm |
re: #360 McSpiff
Don't save him from himself. He can save himself if he wants to. He can sink himself if he wants to.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:53:04pm |
re: #354 TheMatrix31
Yet you want to exclude a shitload of people from voting because you deem them too unintelligent to vote.
He's also providing Rodan with a peach of a "Diary of Daedalus" post.
Ludwig, you do realize that those who hate LGF are going to be blast this all over as much of the blogosphere as they can, right? Please stop, because your words are liable to splash back on all of us.
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tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:53:56pm |
Check out comment #78 on this thread and tell me if it means what I think it means. Or am I just reading it wrong?
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:53:57pm |
re: #277 freetoken
There's a certain something - I'm sure the French have a word for it - about color coordinating a cute outfit for your dog with your own clothes and then driving around a store in a cart laced with plastic flowers in a clashing shade of pink... I just don't know what that something is.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:54:39pm |
re: #366 Dark_Falcon
He's also providing Rodan with a peach of a "Diary of Daedalus" post.
Ludwig, you do realize that those who hate LGF are going to be blast this all over as much of the blogosphere as they can, right? Please stop, because your words are liable to splash back on all of us.
I never go there....... if a tree falls over in the forest with no one around...... does it make a noise?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:54:40pm |
re: #321 tnguitarist
I tend to agree with you on most issues, but with statement like this I think you leave one thing out of the equation. Life experience.
That is a fair statement. Look, I am not and did not write that we should take anyone's voting rights away.
I wrote that it dismays me that we have a system where the votes f morons and utter ignoramuses affect national policy.
Alouette picked up on that and made a very good point about the way that limiting voting rights had been abused in the past with Jim Crow laws.
That is why I wrote that I would be for a FAIR educational requirement. In fact I wrote:
If it were done in a way that did not discriminate against race or creed unfairly, I would be all for it.
Of course, the only way to insure that would be to have a proper public education system in place, that had sufficient resources provided to teach all students, for at least a generation.
NOw for those of you showing actual horror at what I wrote, please consider the following, democracy does not work in a nation or a culture that is not ready for democracy.
Look how well the democracies we forced on Iraq and Iran and Afghanistan turned out. Look how well the democracies we forced on various African and Latin American nations worked out. Look ho well the vote we forced on Gaza turned out.
If you have an uneducated, superstitious mass for a nation they democratically elect very bad people.
With Beck, we have the uneducated, superstitious dregs of America finding a loud voice. It is the same damn thing.
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:54:52pm |
re: #355 cliffster
it kinda rained a little today for about five minutes, and then it stopped. thought it might start up again, but it didn't.
Same here.
Wish I could help you out, here, trying to get us distracted onto a different conversational track, but I need some sleep.
g'night all.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:56:11pm |
re: #366 Dark_Falcon
He's also providing Rodan with a peach of a "Diary of Daedalus" post.
Ludwig, you do realize that those who hate LGF are going to be blast this all over as much of the blogosphere as they can, right? Please stop, because your words are liable to splash back on all of us.
I don't know what that is.
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ShaunP Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:56:11pm |
re: #371 reine.de.tout
Same here.
Wish I could help you out, here, trying to get us distracted onto a different conversational track, but I need some sleep.g'night all.
I'm with you. G'night peeps...
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reine.de.tout Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:56:36pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:56:56pm |
re: #346 Dark_Falcon
Quite Concur. There is also the fact that if an ability to understand economics were required, there would be a great many liberals who would get the hook.
And I don;'t have the problem with that Do you think I would support left wing loonies any more than right wing ones?
I am saying that delusional people should not influence policy.
I did not specify delusions preferentially.
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freetoken Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:57:10pm |
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:57:11pm |
re: #370 LudwigVanQuixote
That is a fair statement. Look, I am not and did not write that we should take anyone's voting rights away.
I wrote that it dismays me that we have a system where the votes f morons and utter ignoramuses affect national policy.
Alouette picked up on that and made a very good point about the way that limiting voting rights had been abused in the past with Jim Crow laws.
That is why I wrote that I would be for a FAIR educational requirement. In fact I wrote:
If it were done in a way that did not discriminate against race or creed unfairly, I would be all for it.
Of course, the only way to insure that would be to have a proper public education system in place, that had sufficient resources provided to teach all students, for at least a generation.
NOw for those of you showing actual horror at what I wrote, please consider the following, democracy does not work in a nation or a culture that is not ready for democracy.
Look how well the democracies we forced on Iraq and Iran and Afghanistan turned out. Look how well the democracies we forced on various African and Latin American nations worked out. Look ho well the vote we forced on Gaza turned out.
If you have an uneducated, superstitious mass for a nation they democratically elect very bad people.
With Beck, we have the uneducated, superstitious dregs of America finding a loud voice. It is the same damn thing.
Legal voting age is 18........ not much more to it than that.
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Jack Burton Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:57:46pm |
re: #346 Dark_Falcon
Quite Concur. There is also the fact that if an ability to understand economics were required, there would be a great many liberals who would get the hook.
And unfortunately with the right's takeover by Christokooks and Paulians... many of them would get the hook too. Unless someone from the Von Mises Institute was writing the test.
In other words this whole thing is a really bad BAD BAD fucking idea by orders of magnitude. We just need to fix the educational system and everything else should take care of itself.
I'm almost amused when the mask slips off of some of the agenda-pushing hyperpartisans disguised as concerned centrists here.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:58:04pm |
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 9:58:23pm |
re: #375 LudwigVanQuixote
And I don;'t have the problem with that Do you think I would support left wing loonies any more than right wing ones?
I am saying that delusional people should not influence policy.
I did not specify delusions preferentially.
You support yourself, dont you?
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:00:08pm |
re: #370 LudwigVanQuixote
That is a fair statement. Look, I am not and did not write that we should take anyone's voting rights away.
I wrote that it dismays me that we have a system where the votes f morons and utter ignoramuses affect national policy.
Alouette picked up on that and made a very good point about the way that limiting voting rights had been abused in the past with Jim Crow laws.
That is why I wrote that I would be for a FAIR educational requirement. In fact I wrote:
If it were done in a way that did not discriminate against race or creed unfairly, I would be all for it.
Of course, the only way to insure that would be to have a proper public education system in place, that had sufficient resources provided to teach all students, for at least a generation.
NOw for those of you showing actual horror at what I wrote, please consider the following, democracy does not work in a nation or a culture that is not ready for democracy.
Look how well the democracies we forced on Iraq and Iran and Afghanistan turned out. Look how well the democracies we forced on various African and Latin American nations worked out. Look ho well the vote we forced on Gaza turned out.
If you have an uneducated, superstitious mass for a nation they democratically elect very bad people.
With Beck, we have the uneducated, superstitious dregs of America finding a loud voice. It is the same damn thing.
So LVQ, if they aren't ready for democracy with the evil, evil universal suffrage, what do you suggest replace it?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:00:12pm |
re: #369 Mr Pancakes
I never go there... if a tree falls over in the forest with no one around... does it make a noise?
Yes, the air that produces the sound waves is still displaced. And there are other places that might use Ludwig's words to their own ends. Think what Robert Stacy McCain could do with that post.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:00:36pm |
re: #367 tnguitarist
Check out comment #78 on this thread and tell me if it means what I think it means. Or am I just reading it wrong?
I know precisely where that came from, if anyone cares.
The day that Senator McCain announced Governor Palin as his running mate, Rush Limbaugh announced his approval on the air with the following EXACT quote.
He said, (I'm serious, here) : "Babies - Guns - Jesus... Hot damn!"
The shirt is a direct Rush Limbaugh quote.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:01:06pm |
re: #375 LudwigVanQuixote
And I don;'t have the problem with that Do you think I would support left wing loonies any more than right wing ones?
I am saying that delusional people should not influence policy.
I did not specify delusions preferentially.
Again,
re: #305 McSpiff
"If you support the other guy, you must be too crazy to vote!"
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:01:18pm |
re: #370 LudwigVanQuixote
That is a fair statement. Look, I am not and did not write that we should take anyone's voting rights away.
I wrote that it dismays me that we have a system where the votes f morons and utter ignoramuses affect national policy.
Alouette picked up on that and made a very good point about the way that limiting voting rights had been abused in the past with Jim Crow laws.
That is why I wrote that I would be for a FAIR educational requirement. In fact I wrote:
If it were done in a way that did not discriminate against race or creed unfairly, I would be all for it.
Of course, the only way to insure that would be to have a proper public education system in place, that had sufficient resources provided to teach all students, for at least a generation.
NOw for those of you showing actual horror at what I wrote, please consider the following, democracy does not work in a nation or a culture that is not ready for democracy.
Look how well the democracies we forced on Iraq and Iran and Afghanistan turned out. Look how well the democracies we forced on various African and Latin American nations worked out. Look ho well the vote we forced on Gaza turned out.
If you have an uneducated, superstitious mass for a nation they democratically elect very bad people.
With Beck, we have the uneducated, superstitious dregs of America finding a loud voice. It is the same damn thing.
The loud mouth Michael Savage said today on his radio show that anyone paying less than $1000 dollars per year in taxes should not have the right to vote...... Maybe you're kindred spirits from a different angle.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:02:00pm |
re: #381 TheMatrix31
You support yourself, dont you?
Important, when no one supports you.
Even more important when someone does.
You should learn this.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:02:02pm |
re: #383 Dark_Falcon
Yes, the air that produces the sound waves is still displaced. And there are other places that might use Ludwig's words to their own ends. Think what Robert Stacy McCain could do with that post.
They're gunna do what their gunna do man.
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tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:02:09pm |
re: #374 reine.de.tout
I don't have a clue what it's supposed to mean.
Just a bunch of babbling.
Sounded racist to me.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:02:42pm |
re: #375 LudwigVanQuixote
And I don;'t have the problem with that Do you think I would support left wing loonies any more than right wing ones?
I am saying that delusional people should not influence policy.
I did not specify delusions preferentially.
And I'm saying it's a bad idea. If you write rules like that, the opposition will rewrite them to favor themselves when they gain power. No, its better not to mess with that sort of thing.
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jaunte Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:02:47pm |
It's just not going to happen. We have to persuade the people that exist, not hope for better ones.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:02:53pm |
re: #386 Mr Pancakes
The loud mouth Michael Savage said today on his radio show that anyone paying less than $1000 dollars per year in taxes should not have the right to vote... Maybe you're kindred spirits from a different angle.
Tom Tancredo was suggesting civics literacy tests.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:03:21pm |
re: #387 Cato the Elder
He was talking about supporting left wing loonies any more than right ring loonies. I thought reading comprehension was one of your strengths?
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:03:31pm |
re: #387 Cato the Elder
Cato? Got time for a "Mr. Language" question?
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cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:03:34pm |
re: #382 McSpiff
So LVQ, if they aren't ready for democracy with the evil, evil universal suffrage, what do you suggest replace it?
Repeal the 19th amendment. Everything was fine until women started voting. Also, women shouldn't drive.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:03:37pm |
re: #392 jaunte
It's just not going to happen. We have to persuade the people that exist, not hope for better ones.
I vote we run little Schoolhouse rock like ads at the beginning of movies during the summer.
Seriously.
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tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:04:36pm |
re: #387 Cato the Elder
Important, when no one supports you.
Even more important when someone does.
You should learn this.
I once had a boss that said, "Toot your own horn, ain't nobody else gonna!".
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:04:45pm |
re: #396 cliffster
Repeal the 19th amendment. Everything was fine until women started voting. Also, women shouldn't drive.
Women should be able to vote. Only the ones with college degrees!
/
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:04:50pm |
re: #396 cliffster
Repeal the 19th amendment. Everything was fine until women started voting. Also,
womenmy grandmother shouldn't drive.
Except for that, I'm all for unlocking the chain to the kitchen table.
Just take the keys from my grandmother before she kills us all.
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tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:05:08pm |
re: #397 EmmmieG
I vote we run little Schoolhouse rock like ads at the beginning of movies during the summer.
Seriously.
I'm just a bill......
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:05:14pm |
re: #357 Gus 802
It's not really a new phenomenon though. Many on the right have been calling people Commies for decades now -- since the 1950s. Archie Bunker's character was based on real life examples. My brother belongs to an RC group and he's pretty left. He laughingly told me that they call him the "resident Commie."
Here's an awesome documentary from 1947 back when we all knew what we stood for. Almost brings a tear to the eye. Good part starts at 2:15
When I see Beck and co. it reminds me of this.
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Nimed Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:05:14pm |
re: #343 LudwigVanQuixote
Forget about the voting criteria for a moment. What you're proposing is a society in which a class of citizens wouldn't have political representation. These people would for all purposes live in a dictatorship. Doesn't the idea bother you?
This would also be a good time to remember that the people in the video are self-selected among those who like Glenn Beck, and that the interviews were edited to show the parts where they are making a fool of themselves. We are not looking at a cross-section of American society.
Finally, bear in mind that, in spite of a fair amount of noise and demagoguery in the media, it's very unlikely that voters today are less informed about policy and current events than voters in the 19th century -- there's no reason to believe that today's citizens are particularly ignorant.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:06:07pm |
re: #401 tnguitarist
I'm just the fourteenth ammendment...sitting here protecting your right to vote...so why don't you actually look at your voter's guide that came in the mail...
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:06:36pm |
re: #399 NJDhockeyfan
"I can't believe....I won't have to worry about my mortgage, or putting gas in my car...."
/
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:06:42pm |
re: #399 NJDhockeyfan
Women should be able to vote. Only the ones with college degrees!
/
Let em vote....... just don't let em drive.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:07:03pm |
re: #389 TheMatrix31
That's Ludwig's fault.
I'm trying to keep them from having real fodder. If they're just screaming the latest "Outrageous Outrage!1" it's not a big deal. But give them something with real traction and they become a good bit more troublesome.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:07:04pm |
"Down with universal suffrage! Haven't the American people suffraged enough?"
If we can get that movement to pass, then it deserves to.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:07:19pm |
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:07:27pm |
Cato? Or somesmartsomebody...
Do you have any idea about how the word "due" came about in the context of (for example) "Due East" "Due North"...
Talking about it with a friend, we couldn't come up with anything... my google fu ain't helping me.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:08:24pm |
re: #409 NJDhockeyfan
Because their too stupid!
/
I ain't going there NJD..... I posted without a sarc tag.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:08:25pm |
re: #410 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
By the way... Somesmartsomebody would be a frickin' GREAT nic.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:08:52pm |
re: #359 Mr Pancakes
Cato... how are you doing man?
I'd be doing better if I could come up with any decent rhymes for "Cruz"!
I think what's going to happen is a Shakespearean sonnet. Takes longer, but in the end makes things easier.
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tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:08:58pm |
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freetoken Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:09:15pm |
Just in case you all missed today's big news story, the rumors have been confirmed:
Bristol Palin, Hasselhoff join "Dancing With the Stars"
Bristol Palin, daughter of conservative powerbroker Sarah Palin, will test her dance moves against former "Baywatch" star David Hasselhoff and R&B singer Brandy in the new season of "Dancing with the Stars."
[...]
Palin, 19, a single mom, is following in the reality TV footsteps of her former fiance, Levi Johnston, whose small-screen adventures involve running for political office in Alaska -- and whose off-screen adventures have put him at odds with her mother.
She said she hoped her mother, the former Alaska governor and U.S. vice presidential candidate, would be on hand to watch her pair up with a professional dancer on the ballroom floor and compete against other celebrity/dancer couples.
"She's excited for me. She knows this is going to be hard work," Palin said as the lineup for the show was announced on ABC on Monday. [...]
Wow, Bristol and Hasselhoff on the same show - certainly American television has never hit these heights before!
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tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:09:42pm |
re: #414 Cato the Elder
I'd be doing better if I could come up with any decent rhymes for "Cruz"!
I think what's going to happen is a Shakespearean sonnet. Takes longer, but in the end makes things easier.
Booze. Duh....
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:09:52pm |
re: #409 NJDhockeyfan
And they don't know the difference between their and they're.
(Setting myself up for a future downfall, there.)
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:10:08pm |
re: #414 Cato the Elder
I'd be doing better if I could come up with any decent rhymes for "Cruz"!
I think what's going to happen is a Shakespearean sonnet. Takes longer, but in the end makes things easier.
Hahahaaa don't worry about it Cato...... you got bigger fish to fry I'm sure.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:10:15pm |
re: #386 Mr Pancakes
The loud mouth Michael Savage said today on his radio show that anyone paying less than $1000 dollars per year in taxes should not have the right to vote... Maybe you're kindred spirits from a different angle.
NO not at all. Micheal savage wants to discriminate against race and wealth.
I do not want to discriminate against anything but stupidity and ignorance.
Consider a culture where women are routinely oppressed in egregious ways. If you give women like that, who have never known anything else the right to vote, they will elect mullahs with the democratic sanction to abuse them.
This is just the way it works. Democracy is something that requires a certain level of cultural development to function properly. It is a magnificent end, but not a magic bullet. It has flaws.
In order to exercise a meaningful vote, one must be capable of making meaningful decisions. That means one must be used to thinking things through on one's own.
Now the fact of the matter is that Hitler was elected. The fact of the matter is that so was Hamas. The fact of the matter is that we are seeing the American equivalent of this gaining in popularity and using our very system to do so.
Perhaps it is naive of me, but I believe that an educated society, with equal mobility for all, is more insulated against such crap.
I was asked a simple question, would I be OK with an educational requirement. I said yes. I stand by that. Voting is serious business. It should not be done by the ignorant - and it can not have, does not have and has never had good results when the ignorant are fired up.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:10:25pm |
re: #407 Dark_Falcon
Well, maybe he should be disciplined.
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Nimed Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:10:26pm |
re: #366 Dark_Falcon
He's also providing Rodan with a peach of a "Diary of Daedalus" post.
Ludwig, you do realize that those who hate LGF are going to be blast this all over as much of the blogosphere as they can, right? Please stop, because your words are liable to splash back on all of us.
DF, what the fan club posts should be the least of everyone's concerns. Really dude, don't let a handful of obsessed mouthbreathers bother you.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:11:13pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:11:16pm |
re: #410 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Cato? Or somesmartsomebody...
Do you have any idea about how the word "due" came about in the context of (for example) "Due East" "Due North"...
Talking about it with a friend, we couldn't come up with anything... my google fu ain't helping me.
This is the best I could find.
Noun 1. due east - the cardinal compass point that is at 90 degrees
east, eastward, E
cardinal compass point - one of the four main compass points
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:11:39pm |
re: #426 McSpiff
That's the most bigoted shit I've seen in a long fuckin' while.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:11:48pm |
re: #385 McSpiff
And yet, I promoted none of that. Your vendetta against me is impressive.
When you care to address the points I am actually making in my arguments, go for it, otherwise, do stop trolling.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:12:18pm |
re: #417 freetoken
Wow, Bristol and Hasselhoff on the same show - certainly American television has never hit these heights before!
Not since Gil Gerard and Pia Zadora were on Circus of the Stars...
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:12:27pm |
re: #427 NJDhockeyfan
Your google-fu appears to be as weak as mine.
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Henchman Ghazi-808 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:13:11pm |
re: #235 LudwigVanQuixote
The great failure of our democracy is that we have allowed morons, superstitious freaks, paranoid delusionals and general low class scum balls the same voice as productive people.
Would it be a triumph if all those people were stifled?
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:13:36pm |
re: #431 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Your google-fu appears to be as weak as mine.
Heh.
My internet is slow so I'm lucky I found anything.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:13:46pm |
re: #424 Nimed
DF, what the fan club posts should be the least of everyone's concerns. Really dude, don't let a handful of obsessed mouthbreathers bother you.
Yeah, worrying about what they'll run off with to froth over is like worrying what Al Qaeda will think of Park51. If stalkers put a wet blanket on free debate here (even stupid debate), then the stalkers have won.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:13:50pm |
re: #429 LudwigVanQuixote
And yet, I promoted none of that. Your vendetta against me is impressive.
When you care to address the points I am actually making in my arguments, go for it, otherwise, do stop trolling.
Heh, You're being downdinged and begged to stop before you embarrass Charles, and I'm the troll... Well, I'm sure I must be completely downdinged in this thread in that case. O, total opposite? That's weird. You're a nut.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:14:53pm |
re: #421 LudwigVanQuixote
[snip]
Consider a culture where women are routinely oppressed in egregious ways. If you give women like that, who have never known anything else the right to vote, they will elect mullahs with the democratic sanction to abuse them.
[snip]
This is just BULLSHIT.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:14:54pm |
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:14:59pm |
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:15:02pm |
re: #421 LudwigVanQuixote
NO not at all. Micheal savage wants to discriminate against race and wealth.
I do not want to discriminate against anything but stupidity and ignorance.
Consider a culture where women are routinely oppressed in egregious ways. If you give women like that, who have never known anything else the right to vote, they will elect mullahs with the democratic sanction to abuse them.
This is just the way it works. Democracy is something that requires a certain level of cultural development to function properly. It is a magnificent end, but not a magic bullet. It has flaws.
In order to exercise a meaningful vote, one must be capable of making meaningful decisions. That means one must be used to thinking things through on one's own.
Now the fact of the matter is that Hitler was elected. The fact of the matter is that so was Hamas. The fact of the matter is that we are seeing the American equivalent of this gaining in popularity and using our very system to do so.
Perhaps it is naive of me, but I believe that an educated society, with equal mobility for all, is more insulated against such crap.
I was asked a simple question, would I be OK with an educational requirement. I said yes. I stand by that. Voting is serious business. It should not be done by the ignorant - and it can not have, does not have and has never had good results when the ignorant are fired up.
"Democracy is something that requires a certain level of cultural development to function properly"
You'd like it to be that..... but NO!
Highly "edumacated" elitists tend to annoy me..... I wouldn't want to put my future in their hands...... sorry.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:15:04pm |
Only Ludwig's paranoid, insane, bigoted rantings can unite McSpiff and I.
Good work, Ludwig. Impressive feat.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:16:03pm |
re: #435 McSpiff
Heh, You're being downdinged and begged to stop before you embarrass Charles, and I'm the troll... Well, I'm sure I must be completely downdinged in this thread in that case. O, total opposite? That's weird. You're a nut.
Everybody here is just stupid and ignorant. Can't you read?
/
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Jack Burton Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:16:10pm |
re: #421 LudwigVanQuixote
I do not want to discriminate against anything but stupidity and ignorance.
Such things are defined subjectively, not objectively. Glenn Beck tea party kooks probably think you are stupid and ignorant for not seeing things the way they do.
You seriously don't see the problem with this? Really?!?
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:16:28pm |
re: #434 elbruce
Yeah, worrying about what they'll run off with to froth over is like worrying what Al Qaeda will think of Park51. If stalkers put a wet blanket on free debate here (even stupid debate), then the stalkers have won.
I'm just saying don't give them easy shots. That's all.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:16:31pm |
re: #360 McSpiff
You are trying to save me from myself? No, you are trying to pick a fight, twist my words and start a pile on. However, you failed.
In the mean time though, I am curious how your failure to play playground politics successfully makes you feel?
The psychology of trolls fascinates me.
How does your failure tonight feel?
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:16:46pm |
re: #442 NJDhockeyfan
Obviously not. Maybe he shouldn't vote either.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:17:11pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:17:26pm |
Yep... this is going to make the front page... at the stalker blog... good work Ludwig.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:18:09pm |
re: #445 LudwigVanQuixote
You are trying to save me from myself? No, you are trying to pick a fight, twist my words and start a pile on. However, you failed.
In the mean time though, I am curious how your failure to play playground politics successfully makes you feel?
The psychology of trolls fascinates me.
How does your failure tonight feel?
You're the one who came in with your #245 BULLSHIT.
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:18:10pm |
re: #447 Mr Pancakes
I'm a big Rush fan... I saw the Moving Pictures concert.
Never saw them but damn I love to get lost in Rush.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:18:12pm |
re: #446 TheMatrix31
Obviously not. Maybe he shouldn't vote either.
America would be a better country.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:18:19pm |
re: #440 TheMatrix31
Only Ludwig's paranoid, insane, bigoted rantings can unite McSpiff and I.
Good work, Ludwig. Impressive feat.
I wasn't gonna say it buddy ;-)
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Henchman Ghazi-808 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:18:40pm |
re: #421 LudwigVanQuixote
Perhaps it is naive of me, but I believe that an educated society, with equal mobility for all, is more insulated against such crap.
I was asked a simple question, would I be OK with an educational requirement. I said yes. I stand by that. Voting is serious business. It should not be done by the ignorant - and it can not have, does not have and has never had good results when the ignorant are fired up.
In Australia you are fined if you do not vote. I'm not suggesting that we move that way, but in a country of a little over 20m, 10.7m voted. Some people would rather pay the $100 I guess.
The failure seems to be more of 'good men doing nothing' in letting scoundrels gain following, as opposed to a failure of our system of governance.
In an age where the potential to be more educated about all things is here, the potential for disinformation has risen in lockstep. In the end, you have to do work to become educated. Nothing can change that, not any democracy or system of governance.
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cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:19:39pm |
re: #454 Stanley Sea
ha, been dropping by here and there. sup?
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:19:49pm |
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:19:52pm |
re: #428 TheMatrix31
That's the most bigoted shit I've seen in a long fuckin' while.
Yes, taking ideas from history and Plato's Republic is bigoted... To be bigoted is to be unfairly disposed to a certain group of people.
I have singled out no group on race, creed or preference. I have said truthfully that a democracy is only as good as its electorate.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:20:18pm |
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Nimed Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:20:36pm |
re: #437 SanFranciscoZionist
Greaaat.
And kinky!
SanFranZ, let me ask you something completely out of the blue. If you had a 13 year-old daughter, what kind of movies (if any) would you forbid her from watching?
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Stanghazi Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:20:52pm |
re: #455 cliffster
Wondering if your wife is watching the NJ Housewives trainwreck!!!
I flicked to it and omg, NJ may have that great Gov. & all, but damn.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:21:05pm |
re: #421 LudwigVanQuixote
Democracy is something that requires a certain level of cultural development to function properly.
The only way that democracy can fail to function properly is if it ends up restricting or eliminating itself. Restricting or eliminating it in the first place doesn't solve anything.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:21:43pm |
re: #445 LudwigVanQuixote
You are trying to save me from myself? No, you are trying to pick a fight, twist my words and start a pile on. However, you failed.
You're being universially condemned for bigotry. I'm at +7 for my posts where I point out your insanity. Most of yours are sitting at -2.
In the mean time though, I am curious how your failure to play playground politics successfully makes you feel?
You do realize you've made a totally and abject fool out of yourself tonight? Has nothing to do with me.
The psychology of trolls fascinates me.How does your failure tonight feel?
You're honestly paranoid. I've attacked your insane ideas because they go against the Canadian Constitution, the American Constitution, the UK Constitution and the UN Charter of human rights. I'm not sure what victory you feel you've won, but I have not failed in my defense of democracy.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:22:24pm |
re: #440 TheMatrix31
Only Ludwig's paranoid, insane, bigoted rantings can unite McSpiff and I.
Good work, Ludwig. Impressive feat.
Well it is good that two of the board's biggest assholes have joined in common cause. We have the board's biggest and most ignorant wingnut and the leftist Israel hater in common cause.
Trust me, I despise you both.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:22:41pm |
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:22:57pm |
Neither the left wing or the right wing have a monopoly on ignorance. Democracy leaves a great deal to chance.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:23:11pm |
re: #448 Walter L. Newton
Yep... this is going to make the front page... at the stalker blog... good work Ludwig.
GMTA
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:23:12pm |
re: #458 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes, taking ideas from history and Plato's Republic is bigoted... To be bigoted is to be unfairly disposed to a certain group of people.
I have singled out no group on race, creed or preference. I have said truthfully that a democracy is only as good as its electorate.
Yeah you never singled out a race or creed or culture. You just say the phrase "white trash", you just say that millions of people are simply too stupid to vote and shouldn't have the right to.
Yeah, you're not a bigot.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:23:18pm |
re: #451 NJDhockeyfan
America would be a better country.
I can only take this as a statement of agreement with LVQ's thesis to begin with.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:23:53pm |
re: #464 LudwigVanQuixote
Well it is good that two of the board's biggest assholes have joined in common cause. We have the board's biggest and most ignorant wingnut and the leftist Israel hater in common cause.
Trust me, I despise you both.
The feeling is so mutual, you have no fucking idea. Seriously you have NO IDEA.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:24:30pm |
re: #464 LudwigVanQuixote
The last refuge of a defeated man.
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Nimed Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:24:33pm |
re: #448 Walter L. Newton
Yep... this is going to make the front page... at the stalker blog... good work Ludwig.
Really, Walter? This bothers you too? lol
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freetoken Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:24:55pm |
re: #459 LudwigVanQuixote
A democracy is only as good as its electorate.
No doubt.
I wonder, though, if we are not cheapening the voting process (and therefore our democracy) by having elections too often.
If there was only one election, say every 5 years, and candidates were required to declare in, and only in, the year preceding the election and were required to debate their opponents publicly no less than once per week, that we might get around the problem of too easily swayed/bought-off-with-soundbites electorates?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:25:12pm |
re: #463 McSpiff
You're being universially condemned for bigotry. I'm at +7 for my posts where I point out your insanity. Most of yours are sitting at -2.
I took much bigger dings than that when I was the only one standing up for the science of AGW here. I took much bigger dings here when I stood up for Obama.
You do realize you've made a totally and abject fool out of yourself tonight? Has nothing to do with me.
I only look foolish to those who do not know history and want me to look foolish. I have said nothing that was not absolutely true.
You're honestly paranoid. I've attacked your insane ideas because they go against the Canadian Constitution, the American Constitution, the UK Constitution and the UN Charter of human rights. I'm not sure what victory you feel you've won, but I have not failed in my defense of democracy.
No, you wrote about how much you don't like me and then attacked my "insane" ideas.
I repeat, a democracy is only as good as its electorate.
Care to debate that?
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:25:29pm |
The bigotry in here is amazing. After what Charles said I hope he cleans house. This is making us all look bad.
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cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:26:24pm |
re: #461 Stanley Sea
Wondering if your wife is watching the NJ Housewives trainwreck!!!
I flicked to it and omg, NJ may have that great Gov. & all, but damn.
haha! Yeah, it must have come on earlier because she was watching it DVR'd. Very painful. That bit they did on the last Bachelorette, now this. Female-targeted reality TV is taking it to a new level.
Anyways, how on earth did you guess that?? Nice work.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:26:42pm |
re: #469 elbruce
I can only take this as a statement of agreement with LVQ's thesis to begin with.
No, just satire. I don't agree with LVQ on anything anymore. He's a proven liar.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:27:22pm |
re: #472 Nimed
Really, Walter? This bothers you too? lol
All of this bothers me... Ludwig's bigoted attitude toward voters and the fact that his comment as going to play big over at the stalker blog. Why wouldn't I be concerned.
I've never NOT been support of LGF... what the fuck are you talking about?
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darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:28:02pm |
re: #464 LudwigVanQuixote
updinged for not taking shit from anyone.
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Cato the Elder Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:28:29pm |
re: #395 Fat Bastard Vegetarian
Cato? Got time for a "Mr. Language" question?
Yes. And read your following post.
"Due" (dues) ultimately comes from Latin "debere" (owns, owes, should, could, ought), so the root meaning is actually closet "debt". In all senses of the word, including religious (viz. Ger "Schuld").
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:28:35pm |
re: #475 NJDhockeyfan
The bigotry in here is amazing. After what Charles said I hope he cleans house. This is making us all look bad.
re: #475 NJDhockeyfan
The bigotry in here is amazing. After what Charles said I hope he cleans house. This is making us all look bad.
Like most times tho, its only a single a poster. LVQ is being condemned across the board for this one. I think its a good thing. Report the posts and let charles deal with it as he chooses. Its healthy for the blog.
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Stanghazi Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:28:36pm |
re: #476 cliffster
I remember you talking about her watching the HW and I was like mmm, I bet yes watching this wild one!!! lol
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:28:58pm |
re: #453 BigPapa
In Australia you are fined if you do not vote. I'm not suggesting that we move that way, but in a country of a little over 20m, 10.7m voted. Some people would rather pay the $100 I guess.
The failure seems to be more of 'good men doing nothing' in letting scoundrels gain following, as opposed to a failure of our system of governance.
In an age where the potential to be more educated about all things is here, the potential for disinformation has risen in lockstep. In the end, you have to do work to become educated. Nothing can change that, not any democracy or system of governance.
That is an interesting idea. It does nothing to address the quality of the voter.
Look, If I really had my way, I would demand a social service requirement for voting. We went over this in very great detail once on another thread, but I rather like expanding on Heinlein's ideas on the matter.
Those who give a damn enough about their nation to serve in one way or another for some period of time -- doing any number of things, it could be teaching, or caring for the elderly, or the military - get to vote. Those who could not be bothered to give to their nation, get all the benefits of living here, save voting.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:29:34pm |
re: #477 NJDhockeyfan
No, just satire. I don't agree with LVQ on anything anymore. He's a proven liar.
I have never lied about anything hockey puck? What is your proof? This will be rich.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:30:02pm |
re: #460 Nimed
And kinky!
SanFranZ, let me ask you something completely out of the blue. If you had a 13 year-old daughter, what kind of movies (if any) would you forbid her from watching?
Totally out of the blue indeed.
At thirteen, I think I would not want her to see anything with overly graphic violence. If it was something she really wanted to see, and there was some good reason for it--I'm thinking "Saving Private Ryan" type stuff here--we could talk.
Sex--I'd really have to look at the films on a one-by-one basis. I don't think a little sex in the movies really ever hurt a kid, but at thirteen I'd like to still control the message about how sex works a little bit.
Why do you ask?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:30:04pm |
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darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:30:15pm |
re: #478 Walter L. Newton
All of this bothers me... Ludwig's bigoted attitude toward voters and the fact that his comment as going to play big over at the stalker blog. Why wouldn't I be concerned.
I've never NOT been support of LGF... what the fuck are you talking about?
Fuck the stalker blog. They're like middle school girls with a desire to bring down the head cheerleader. Your acting like one only makes you look like one. For fuck's sake, most of us here are adults with college educations.
Ludwig's comments are a reflection on Ludwig, and Ludwig alone. He doesn't represent me any more than I represent him.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:30:34pm |
re: #479 darthstar
updinged for not taking shit from anyone.
Have you read the entire thread yet? I wouldn't be too quick to throw my hat in with LVQ.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:30:43pm |
re: #474 LudwigVanQuixote
I repeat, a democracy is only as good as its electorate.
Care to debate that?
Yeah, I will.
A democracy is only as good as its democratic institutions - the entire set of rules that stabilize the whole deal. There's a heck of a lot more to democracy than just voting. There's also equality under the law, civilian control of the military, checks and balances, separation of church and state, constitutionally protected rights... it's actually quite a list.
Whoever the population is, the fact remains that they constitute the country under discussion itself. The people = the country = the democracy. To have the final decisionary authority be something other than the entire populace is the simplest definition of a "weak democracy," if not no democracy.
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:31:43pm |
re: #483 LudwigVanQuixote
That is an interesting idea. It does nothing to address the quality of the voter.
Look, If I really had my way, I would demand a social service requirement for voting. We went over this in very great detail once on another thread, but I rather like expanding on Heinlein's ideas on the matter.
Those who give a damn enough about their nation to serve in one way or another for some period of time -- doing any number of things, it could be teaching, or caring for the elderly, or the military - get to vote. Those who could not be bothered to give to their nation, get all the benefits of living here, save voting.
That's an interesting idea. Won't happen though.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:31:57pm |
re: #483 LudwigVanQuixote
That is an interesting idea. It does nothing to address the quality of the voter.
Look, If I really had my way, I would demand a social service requirement for voting. We went over this in very great detail once on another thread, but I rather like expanding on Heinlein's ideas on the matter.
Those who give a damn enough about their nation to serve in one way or another for some period of time -- doing any number of things, it could be teaching, or caring for the elderly, or the military - get to vote. Those who could not be bothered to give to their nation, get all the benefits of living here, save voting.
We all give...... I think they call it taxes.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:31:58pm |
re: #486 LudwigVanQuixote
Damn straight. And thanks.
Not that I don't disagree with you on some things, but for fuck's sake, the panty-twisting around here can get annoying.
Cheers.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:32:43pm |
re: #475 NJDhockeyfan
The bigotry in here is amazing. After what Charles said I hope he cleans house. This is making us all look bad.
Where i anything bigoted in what I said? What racial group did I single out? What religious creed did I single out?
I know your nipples are probably hard with the thought of someone giving me grief over what I wrote, especially after the dozen times I have shown you to be a moron, but sorry kiddo, take it to teacher, you will find I wrote nothing bigoted at all.
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:33:27pm |
Then again I think felons should be allowed to vote. I'm weird that way.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:33:39pm |
re: #488 McSpiff
Have you read the entire thread yet? I wouldn't be too quick to throw my hat in with LVQ.
Nope, and I don't need to. I know LVQ gets people upset at times...when I get that upset I close the lid on my computer and take a break for a few hours.
I don't feel the need to take a side in every argument, but the feeding frenzies, regardless of who the target is, get old after a while.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:34:26pm |
re: #487 darthstar
Fuck the stalker blog. They're like middle school girls with a desire to bring down the head cheerleader. Your acting like one only makes you look like one. For fuck's sake, most of us here are adults with college educations.
Ludwig's comments are a reflection on Ludwig, and Ludwig alone. He doesn't represent me any more than I represent him.
Walter isn't acting like them, but I think he knows you have to pay attention to what the gossips are saying, if only so you can counter them.
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cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:35:04pm |
re: #482 Stanley Sea
I remember you talking about her watching the HW and I was like mmm, I bet yes watching this wild one!!! lol
yeah, I like to think I get good husband points because at one point I sat and watched it with her. I dunno, though.. them bitches crazy
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:35:11pm |
re: #483 LudwigVanQuixote
That is an interesting idea. It does nothing to address the quality of the voter.
Look, If I really had my way, I would demand a social service requirement for voting. We went over this in very great detail once on another thread, but I rather like expanding on Heinlein's ideas on the matter.
Those who give a damn enough about their nation to serve in one way or another for some period of time -- doing any number of things, it could be teaching, or caring for the elderly, or the military - get to vote. Those who could not be bothered to give to their nation, get all the benefits of living here, save voting.
Any kind of rule you have to define a subset of the population who will be exclusively allowed to participate in the nation's decision making process will ultimately produce worse decisions than letting everybody participate. That's even if the rule wasn't going to be abused to define and oppress a subclass, which it almost certainly will be. My proof? All of human history. No such rule has ever proven effective.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:35:59pm |
re: #491 Mr Pancakes
We all give... I think they call it taxes.
And yet, here is a party whose ostensible rallying point is not paying them....
The point is not about giving cash, the point is about being the sort who is willing to give of themselves for the greater good. That is why I like the idea.
I am not saying it is going to happen or could be made practicable in the near future.
None of that changes the very real point that cultures not ready for democracy fail as democracies across the board and that the American electorate is slipping in large parts into madness.
How many historical examples do you need?
I know you don't like to think that democracy really is not a magic bullet, but it truly is not. The citizens of a democracy must be worthy of democracy.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:36:24pm |
re: #493 LudwigVanQuixote
Where i anything bigoted in what I said? What racial group did I single out? What religious creed did I single out?
I know your nipples are probably hard with the thought of someone giving me grief over what I wrote, especially after the dozen times I have shown you to be a moron, but sorry kiddo, take it to teacher, you will find I wrote nothing bigoted at all.
You think you said nothing bigoted, but you said that millions of people shouldnt be voting because you think they're too stupid, too uneducated, that they're white trash, this/that/whatever....
DO YOU FUCKING READ YOUR POSTS?!
Jesus.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:36:29pm |
re: #496 Dark_Falcon
Walter isn't acting like them, but I think he knows you have to pay attention to what the gossips are saying, if only so you can counter them.
Walter enjoys flame wars like a dog with a raw steak. I wasn't addressing him directly, so he doesn't need defending (in this instance). I just logged into what I saw as a gang-bang, and threw in my two cents after reading back about ten posts.
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cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:37:25pm |
re: #494 Gus 802
Then again I think felons should be allowed to vote. I'm weird that way.
even crazier - I think homosexuals should be allowed to vote. even the law-breaking ones. And in some cases, that's one and the same!
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darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:38:00pm |
re: #496 Dark_Falcon
Oh, and worrying about what the stalker blogs think? Fuck that shit. Sideways.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:38:23pm |
re: #495 darthstar
Nope, and I don't need to. I know LVQ gets people upset at times...when I get that upset I close the lid on my computer and take a break for a few hours.
I don't feel the need to take a side in every argument, but the feeding frenzies, regardless of who the target is, get old after a while.
Well then, here's #235 for you.
I like them bitching about elitists... Yes with all of that education and intelligence, thinking they know more and are smarter than good, trailer trash like the Beck crowd!
The people of Wallmart deserve respect too!
How dare those elitists look down on ignorant, dull witted and incoherent swine from the dregs of America?!?
So many slack jaws. So few coherent thoughts. Where do I start?
The great failure of our democracy is that we have allowed morons, superstitious freaks, paranoid delusionals and general low class scum balls the same voice as productive people.
Think about it. Those people in those interviews have barely a functioning 5th grade education. By what sane standard does their vote count the same as someone who isn't mentally deficient?
This is more than just "endless bickering". This is serious. This prick promotes his bullshit about how conservatives are anti-democracy, yet he takes a fucking MASSIVE shit on the very democracy he wraps himself in.
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Gus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:38:39pm |
re: #502 cliffster
even crazier - I think homosexuals should be allowed to vote. even the law-breaking ones. And in some cases, that's one and the same!
Babies. Guns. And Jesus.
/
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:38:54pm |
re: #473 freetoken
No doubt.
I wonder, though, if we are not cheapening the voting process (and therefore our democracy) by having elections too often.
If there was only one election, say every 5 years, and candidates were required to declare in, and only in, the year preceding the election and were required to debate their opponents publicly no less than once per week, that we might get around the problem of too easily swayed/bought-off-with-soundbites electorates?
This is a great post. I honestly do not have a good opinion on that, because it is such a good point and question. I can too easily see both sides of it.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:40:25pm |
re: #501 darthstar
Walter enjoys flame wars like a dog with a raw steak. I wasn't addressing him directly, so he doesn't need defending (in this instance). I just logged into what I saw as a gang-bang, and threw in my two cents after reading back about ten posts.
Well.. why don't you get off your ass and figure out why just about everyone on this thread is a bit outraged at what Ludwig is proposing. If you haven't notice cake-brain, I'm just as supportive and protective of this blog as anyone else is, including Charles.
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Henchman Ghazi-808 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:40:35pm |
re: #505 TheMatrix31
This is more than just "endless bickering". This is serious. This prick promotes his bullshit about how conservatives are anti-democracy, yet he takes a fucking MASSIVE shit on the very democracy he wraps himself in.
Just when I was about to go sneak out... well said.
Who deems who is 'smart enough' to vote? This raises some interesting questions.
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Dark_Falcon Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:40:47pm |
re: #504 darthstar
Oh, and worrying about what the stalker blogs think? Fuck that shit. Sideways.
I'm worried about their actions, not their thoughts. If they pass around posts from here that will offend a lot of people, then they can use those to create new stalkers and wingnuts out of sane people.
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Stanghazi Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:40:54pm |
re: #497 cliffster
yeah, I like to think I get good husband points because at one point I sat and watched it with her. I dunno, though.. them bitches crazy
Like I said, they may have a good Gov., in NJ, but they've got a rep to repair now!!! Yes, and you've scored some points.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:41:36pm |
re: #500 TheMatrix31
Yes, people who are too ignorant to understand an issue have no business deciding policy on that issue.
That is the same principle as saying that the car mechanic has no business making medical prescriptions.
How do you not get that and why do you have a problem with it? Why is that bigoted? If that car mechanic went to medical school, then (s)he could make prescriptions, otherwise, they are not competent to. How is that different?
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darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:41:51pm |
re: #505 TheMatrix31
Ha! Guess what? He's right. The people in those interviews don't read the fucking TV guide let alone the newspaper. Bunch of ignorant fucks coo-cooed into showing up at the National Mall with a free bus trip and a stop at Applebee's. Some of those assholes are protesting the same government programs that keep them afloat. I'd be happy if god raptured their asses early.
happy?
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Nimed Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:41:55pm |
re: #478 Walter L. Newton
I'm talking about your concern with the judgment of the crowd of neurotic losers who were kicked out of LGF, among them guys who claim that women like being raped and complain about being ganged up by Jews.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:41:57pm |
re: #501 darthstar
Walter enjoys flame wars like a dog with a raw steak. I wasn't addressing him directly, so he doesn't need defending (in this instance). I just logged into what I saw as a gang-bang, and threw in my two cents after reading back about ten posts.
Heh, gang-bangs are often conducted by certain posters against certain others all the time.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:42:21pm |
re: #509 BigPapa
Who deems who is 'smart enough' to vote? This raises some interesting questions.
I already called dibs on that job.
; )
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darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:42:58pm |
re: #508 Walter L. Newton
Your stalker blog concern trolling makes you look like one of those people in the video.
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Henchman Ghazi-808 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:44:04pm |
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:44:35pm |
re: #499 LudwigVanQuixote
None of that changes the very real point that cultures not ready for democracy fail as democracies across the board and that the American electorate is slipping in large parts into madness.
Again: the only way a democracy can fail is if it stops being a democracy. Not giving them the chance in the first place doesn't fix that - "you might fail, so you shouldn't be allowed to try."
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:45:07pm |
re: #512 LudwigVanQuixote
Because the current Constitution mandates that if you're 18, you have the right to vote.
The Constitution doesn't mandate individual professions and the quality of such services/products.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:45:07pm |
re: #509 BigPapa
Just when I was about to go sneak out... well said.
Who deems who is 'smart enough' to vote? This raises some interesting questions.
Well, I never said smart enough.
Further, I said that any such system would have to be fair and not discriminate against race or creed.
I said that if we started trying to make a system which was fair and truly gave everyone the same chance to qualify, it would take at least a generation to work out the inequities in the education system before making such a policy.
I also said that such a thing is not what I would really want anyway. I prefer the notion of service.
But do keep reading the panty twisters taking my words out of context, rather than reading my own. They after all, are much more fair when it comes to putting words in my mouth right?
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:45:16pm |
re: #499 LudwigVanQuixote
And yet, here is a party whose ostensible rallying point is not paying them...
The point is not about giving cash, the point is about being the sort who is willing to give of themselves for the greater good. That is why I like the idea.
I am not saying it is going to happen or could be made practicable in the near future.
None of that changes the very real point that cultures not ready for democracy fail as democracies across the board and that the American electorate is slipping in large parts into madness.
How many historical examples do you need?
I know you don't like to think that democracy really is not a magic bullet, but it truly is not. The citizens of a democracy must be worthy of democracy.
I was thinking in terms of "other than" income taxes...... sales, property, gas, etc.... we all pay those.
So where does you're scenario leave someone like me? I didn't go to college. I'm worried about finding a job if this one goes south...... and it's looking like it might. The last thing on my mind is community service right now.
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Stonemason Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:45:38pm |
re: #513 darthstar
Ha! Guess what? He's right. The people in those interviews don't read the fucking TV guide let alone the newspaper. Bunch of ignorant fucks coo-cooed into showing up at the National Mall with a free bus trip and a stop at Applebee's. Some of those assholes are protesting the same government programs that keep them afloat. I'd be happy if god raptured their asses early.
happy?
Favorited for adding yourself to the list of lefites here pining for the death of conservatives.
More typical left wing bullshit, hell, you even admitted that you had no idea why the bigot was being trashed (read 10 posts up) you just saw a fellow moonbat being schooled and had to rush to his defense.
How soon you all forget the videos of Obama supporters not being able to answer simple questions...
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:46:20pm |
re: #517 darthstar
Your stalker blog concern trolling makes you look like one of those people in the video.
Yawn.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:46:24pm |
re: #512 LudwigVanQuixote
Why attack the voters and not Glenn Beck's right to spread lies? Or do you hold certain rights more sacred than others?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:46:50pm |
re: #520 TheMatrix31
And I never wrote that we should change that. I wrote that if there were a fair and just educational system in America, that did not discriminate against race or creed, I would be all for a fairly applied educational requirement on voting. By the way, your reading comprehension is such that you would likely fail such a test :)
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:47:48pm |
re: #513 darthstar
Ha! Guess what? He's right. The people in those interviews don't read the fucking TV guide let alone the newspaper. Bunch of ignorant fucks coo-cooed into showing up at the National Mall with a free bus trip and a stop at Applebee's. Some of those assholes are protesting the same government programs that keep them afloat. I'd be happy if god raptured their asses early.
happy?
Then you're just as much of a bigoted fucking piece of shit as he is.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:48:19pm |
re: #523 Stonemason
Favorited for adding yourself to the list of lefites here pining for the death of conservatives.
More typical left wing bullshit
Never mind the number of liberals here disagreeing with Ludwig's posts, it's the one who comes in on his side who's 'typical'?
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Stonemason Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:48:37pm |
re: #527 McSpiff
Nope, in this case you are a lefty on the correct side of the issue, it happens.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:48:54pm |
re: #527 McSpiff
And what am I? Chopped liver?
You're an honorary conservative for the duration of this argument.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:49:22pm |
re: #522 Mr Pancakes
I was thinking in terms of "other than" income taxes... sales, property, gas, etc... we all pay those.
So where does you're scenario leave someone like me? I didn't go to college. I'm worried about finding a job if this one goes south... and it's looking like it might. The last thing on my mind is community service right now.
You are not a moron, and I did not say anything about a college education.
Honestly I sai nothing about what I would require other than the ability to do algebra and the ability to read.
In fact, I was referring to people who rather clearly would have difficulty with the fifth grade.
I assume you can manage basic algebra, know how to find most major nations on a map, and can read at a higher level than Sarah Palin.
Therefore, you would not be affected.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:49:47pm |
re: #526 LudwigVanQuixote
By the way, your reading comprehension is such that you would likely fail such a test :)
So would Cato, according to my #394.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:49:48pm |
re: #459 LudwigVanQuixote
A democracy is only as good as its electorate.
If that's the case, then (from a utilitarian perspective) the best thing you could do for a nation is to go all the way and rip the band-aid off. In a single generation, kill all the stupid people. Have all of the smart people who are committed to the nation's future build death camps for those who are stuck in entrenched, outmoded thinking. Take their kids and educate them extensively.
Yes, it would be horrible - I'm basically talking about self-genocide here - but in say, 40 years the benefits to society of no longer having a bunch of morons running around would be incredible. And once your generation passed, there'd be nobody left to blame. In the long run, if your thesis is correct, then such an act would lead to a massively more enlightened society, which could then continue to reap the benefits of that unfortunate episode for the foreseeable future.
Thing is, Pol Pot already tried that. He put exactly that theory to a critical test in practice. Didn't work.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:50:08pm |
re: #531 SanFranciscoZionist
You're an honorary conservative for the duration of this argument.
Well, I did get TheMatrix updinging me. Pretty sure that means I fail the lefty test...
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darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:50:37pm |
re: #528 TheMatrix31
Then you're just as much of a bigoted fucking piece of shit as he is.
Bigoted fucking piece of shit? Nobody's ever called me that before. Updinged for originality!
(Seriously, you need to take a quaalude or two.)
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:50:52pm |
re: #532 LudwigVanQuixote
But can he find all 57 states?
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Stonemason Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:51:03pm |
re: #529 SanFranciscoZionist
Never mind the number of liberals here disagreeing with Ludwig's posts, it's the one who comes in on his side who's 'typical'?
SorrySFZ, and to the rest of the left that I just lumped in together...
I should have just used moonbats I guess, like y'all sometimes clarify with wingnut, sometimes.
I got over zealous, that happens when a poster calls for the death of people.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:51:25pm |
re: #522 Mr Pancakes
I was thinking in terms of "other than" income taxes... sales, property, gas, etc... we all pay those.
So where does you're scenario leave someone like me? I didn't go to college. I'm worried about finding a job if this one goes south... and it's looking like it might. The last thing on my mind is community service right now.
I'm not college educated and you can tell by my usage of you're instead of your.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:51:34pm |
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:51:57pm |
re: #534 elbruce
If that's the case, then (from a utilitarian perspective) the best thing you could do for a nation is to go all the way and rip the band-aid off. In a single generation, kill all the stupid people. Have all of the smart people who are committed to the nation's future build death camps for those who are stuck in entrenched, outmoded thinking. Take their kids and educate them extensively.
Yes, it would be horrible - I'm basically talking about self-genocide here - but in say, 40 years the benefits to society of no longer having a bunch of morons running around would be incredible. And once your generation passed, there'd be nobody left to blame. In the long run, if your thesis is correct, then such an act would lead to a massively more enlightened society, which could then continue to reap the benefits of that unfortunate episode for the foreseeable future.
Thing is, Pol Pot already tried that. He put exactly that theory to a critical test in practice. Didn't work.
Hey... you stole that idea... I think I heard that somewhere before...
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Stonemason Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:51:57pm |
re: #529 SanFranciscoZionist
Never mind the number of liberals here disagreeing with Ludwig's posts, it's the one who comes in on his side who's 'typical'?
Oh, and just for giggles, I borrowed that typical from President Obama.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:52:05pm |
re: #525 McSpiff
Why attack the voters and not Glenn Beck's right to spread lies? Or do you hold certain rights more sacred than others?
1. I don't believe that willful lying should be protected speech.
2. Saying that voting should be a privledge which should be taken seriously, as in with research into the issues and great deliberation, and viewed as such rather than a right, would do a great deal of good for any democracy. If you simply see it as a right, you take it for granted.
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avanti Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:52:11pm |
re: #529 SanFranciscoZionist
Never mind the number of liberals here disagreeing with Ludwig's posts, it's the one who comes in on his side who's 'typical'?
Add me to the that list, ignorance of the issues is not the exclusive purview of the right, nor do I think it disqualifies the voter. I do agree that taking advantage of those a sandwich sort of a picnic is wrong, be they from the left or the right.
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yasharki Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:52:12pm |
Seeing people having a party on capitol hill while accusing the very government and president who provide them with such an opportunity, of being commi-nazi-anti_free_speech-abominations is surreal. It doesn't compute.
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tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:52:23pm |
re: #539 Mr Pancakes
I'm not college educated and you can tell by my usage of you're instead of your.
Ah, but you caught it. So.....there's that.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:52:29pm |
re: #538 Stonemason
SorrySFZ, and to the rest of the left that I just lumped in together...
I should have just used moonbats I guess, like y'all sometimes clarify with wingnut, sometimes.
I got over zealous, that happens when a poster calls for the death of people.
Moonbats is acceptable.
I'm fading fast here, folks.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:52:32pm |
re: #523 Stonemason
Favorited for adding yourself to the list of lefites here pining for the death of conservatives.
Death of conservatives? Heavens no! I love those fucktards (yourself included). Constant entertainment! Besides, I'm a pacifist, and I wouldn't wish death on anybody...really.
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:53:26pm |
re: #543 LudwigVanQuixote
Voting should be a privilege and not a right. This takes the cake. End of the thread for me.
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tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:53:29pm |
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Nimed Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:53:31pm |
re: #485 SanFranciscoZionist
One of my nephews wants to watch a pretty violent animé (this one), and my sister asked for my input. This particular series deals with a small village "with a dark secret" in which a bunch of murders occur. From what I can tell, it's basically a whodunnit, but I've been snooping around some forums to form a better idea of the series, and apparently there's one scene with a ritual torture that involves fingernail pulling (yes, really). So... I'm probably telling my sister not let her watch and suffer the ire of my nephew.
Thanks for the validating input. :)
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Jack Burton Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:54:28pm |
I believe what we are seeing here is the left wing version of something often discussed here. The whole tendency for the right to talk about freedom and liberty and limited government, while trying to ram religious dogma and theocracy down our throats at the same time.
One reason they do it is because they think that without proper religious morals and guidance, the people are too stupid and immoral to be able to handle freedom and democracy. Society will collapse into anarchy.
Apparently the left wing version is disenfranchise everyone that disagrees with them beyond a certain point, because they obviously are too stupid and immoral to be able handle freedom and democracy. Society will collapse into regressive theocracy.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:54:33pm |
You know, if your bigoted ass just parroted the Churchill quote about the argument against democracy, people would have just laughed and gotten the point in the context of the video in this post.
Of course though, you had to go into your insane, paranoid, fanatical, ridiculous, elitist, pretentious, sanctimonious bullshit fucking screeds to make your hateful argument.
Fuck you.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:54:57pm |
re: #532 LudwigVanQuixote
You are not a moron, and I did not say anything about a college education.
Honestly I sai nothing about what I would require other than the ability to do algebra and the ability to read.
In fact, I was referring to people who rather clearly would have difficulty with the fifth grade.
I assume you can manage basic algebra, know how to find most major nations on a map, and can read at a higher level than Sarah Palin.
Therefore, you would not be affected.
I can find nations on a map except for the countries that end in "STAN".
Algebra? Sure I'm an expert! (ahem)
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cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:55:00pm |
re: #534 elbruce
all this utopian thought goes to shit for the two reasons: Sex and Power. Fun to talk about, though.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:55:18pm |
re: #534 elbruce
Ohh now that is great... Going from saying that a democracy is only as good as its electorate and siting the examples of the failed democracies we have installed around the world on cultures that were not ready for them as proof of the suppositin means I am now somehow supporting pol pot.
I know you enjoy trolling.
But that is weak sauce even for you.
Why don't you mail this response to our fan club also :)
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tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:55:37pm |
re: #552 ArchangelMichael
So, lump a bunch of people together.
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Stonemason Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:56:06pm |
re: #548 darthstar
Death of conservatives? Heavens no! I love those fucktards (yourself included). Constant entertainment! Besides, I'm a pacifist, and I wouldn't wish death on anybody...really.
I'd be happy if god raptured their asses early
I call bullshit.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:56:27pm |
re: #538 Stonemason
I got over zealous, that happens when a poster calls for the death of people.
Who did I call for the death of?
What exactly is your major malfunction?
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:56:30pm |
Heh everyone who disagrees with him is a troll in league with the stalkers. We are honestly seeing a breakdown happen in slow motion people.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:56:58pm |
re: #546 tnguitarist
Ah, but you caught it. So...there's that.
Sometimes catching it draws attention to it.... it's a no win situation.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:56:58pm |
re: #551 Nimed
One of my nephews wants to watch a pretty violent animé (this one), and my sister asked for my input. This particular series deals with a small village "with a dark secret" in which a bunch of murders occur. From what I can tell, it's basically a whodunnit, but I've been snooping around some forums to form a better idea of the series, and apparently there's one scene with a ritual torture that involves fingernail pulling (yes, really). So... I'm probably telling my sister not let her watch and suffer the ire of my nephew.
Thanks for the validating input. :)
I'm absolutely wrecked out here, but I think ritual torture with fingernail pulling is too ugly for a thirteen-year-old.
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cliffster Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:58:13pm |
is there any way to report an entire thread?
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:58:31pm |
re: #543 LudwigVanQuixote
2. Saying that voting should be a privledge which should be taken seriously, as in with research into the issues and great deliberation, and viewed as such rather than a right, would do a great deal of good for any democracy. If you simply see it as a right, you take it for granted.
I'd prefer to see it tried somewhere else and see how that worked out before I considered it here. Are there any countries in which they have such a system now, or something similar? I'm not finding it in my Googles.
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SanFranciscoZionist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:58:46pm |
I'm going to bed. By the time I get up to go back to work, I expect you all to have worked out a detailed plan to save the Republic from whoever it is we need to save her from.
Details to be delivered with my morning coffee.
Zionist Catholic-School Teacher Out
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darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:58:46pm |
re: #558 Stonemason
I'd be happy if god raptured their asses early
I call bullshit.
Yes, but rapture isn't death, you tard...it's "eternal life of bliss"...playing mah-jong on a cloud with Elvis, getting blown by Mother Teresa while Jimmy Hendrix rips a fuckin' riff on his guitar that makes your skin tingle...you know, paradise. God rapturing your ass early would be a win-win, wouldn't it?
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tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:58:46pm |
re: #561 Mr Pancakes
Sometimes catching it draws attention to it... it's a no win situation.
What's the saying?
Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot than open it and prove it.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:58:58pm |
re: #553 TheMatrix31
You know, if your bigoted ass just parroted the Churchill quote about the argument against democracy, people would have just laughed and gotten the point in the context of the video in this post.
Of course though, you had to go into your insane, paranoid, fanatical, ridiculous, elitist, pretentious, sanctimonious bullshit fucking screeds to make your hateful argument.
Fuck you.
So you finally noticed that I am echoing that conservative Churchill... All while being a leftist... I suppose you also think that Churchill wasn't an elitist as well.
If it makes you feel any better, you are definitely one of the ones who is too stupid...
| 569 |
TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:59:07pm |
re: #560 McSpiff
God knows how many times people have accused me of being a stalker or have tried to drive me off, or saying other types of inflammatory shit.
Hell, it happened in this thread with Cato's bullshit post about me joining Mandy.
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Stonemason Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:59:17pm |
re: #559 LudwigVanQuixote
Who did I call for the death of?
What exactly is your major malfunction?
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McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:59:43pm |
re: #569 TheMatrix31
God knows how many times people have accused me of being a stalker or have tried to drive me off, or saying other types of inflammatory shit.
Hell, it happened in this thread with Cato's bullshit post about me joining Mandy.
Add me to that list too. I apologize.
| 572 |
TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 10:59:54pm |
re: #565 SanFranciscoZionist
I'm going to bed. By the time I get up to go back to work, I expect you all to have worked out a detailed plan to save the Republic from whoever it is we need to save her from.
Details to be delivered with my morning coffee.
Zionist Catholic-School Teacher Out
If LudwigVanBigot had his way, I wouldn't be a part of that solution. I'd be busy en route to North Korea.
| 573 |
Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:00:02pm |
re: #567 tnguitarist
What's the saying?
Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought an idiot than open it and prove it.
I already admitted I was an idiot on the previous thread...... never question Cato period.... end of story.
| 574 |
TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:00:48pm |
re: #571 McSpiff
We'll get back to hating each other in due time, LOL. Don't worry, dude.
| 575 |
darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:00:51pm |
re: #569 TheMatrix31
God knows how many times people have accused me of being a stalker
God has more important shit to focus on. Sorry.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:00:53pm |
re: #564 elbruce
I'd prefer to see it tried somewhere else and see how that worked out before I considered it here. Are there any countries in which they have such a system now, or something similar? I'm not finding it in my Googles.
I don't think there is a country doing that. Making voting a privilege is a stupid fucking idea.
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:01:02pm |
re: #572 TheMatrix31
If LudwigVanBigot had his way, I wouldn't be a part of that solution. I'd be busy en route to North Korea.
Dude... come on man...... let it go.
| 578 |
elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:01:17pm |
re: #556 LudwigVanQuixote
Ohh now that is great... Going from saying that a democracy is only as good as its electorate and siting the examples of the failed democracies we have installed around the world on cultures that were not ready for them as proof of the suppositin means I am now somehow supporting pol pot.
What Pol Pot did it's a logical extension of your central thesis. He just took that statement and extended it to its logical conclusion. It didn't work as advertised.
But you keep worrying about democracies "failing." As far as I can imagine, the only way a democracy can fail is for it to stop being a democracy. The fewer people who get to participate in the decision-making process, the more the democracy is failing. And vice versa.
So what you're proposing is that there shouldn't be any democracy because there might not be democracy.
| 579 |
Henchman Ghazi-808 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:01:21pm |
re: #521 LudwigVanQuixote
Well, I never said smart enough.
Further, I said that any such system would have to be fair and not discriminate against race or creed.
I said that if we started trying to make a system which was fair and truly gave everyone the same chance to qualify, it would take at least a generation to work out the inequities in the education system before making such a policy.
I also said that such a thing is not what I would really want anyway. I prefer the notion of service.
But do keep reading the panty twisters taking my words out of context, rather than reading my own. They after all, are much more fair when it comes to putting words in my mouth right?
I read your words, they're in this post. Your 'panty twister' foil made a good point, that is all. Please don't involve me in your scrum.
In your lament it seemed that people of a certain level of intelligence or education be allowed to vote. Who is to decide this?
Also, I have not found education to be a that decisive of a factor in showing intelligence. Many times I've met 'educated' and accomplished people who say things on par with your average Tea Partier, or alternately dogmatic leftist. So a better 'education system' doesn't necessarily produce fruit in and of itself.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:02:30pm |
re: #572 TheMatrix31
If LudwigVanBigot had his way, I wouldn't be a part of that solution. I'd be busy en route to North Korea.
How do you like your tree bark cooked?
| 581 |
tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:03:20pm |
I disagreed with Ludwig earlier in the thread. No flames. This back and forth is getting to be a bit much. I've been staring at this screen too long, anyway. Nite, folks.
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Walter L. Newton Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:03:24pm |
re: #579 BigPapa
I read your words, they're in this post. Your 'panty twister' foil made a good point, that is all. Please don't involve me in your scrum.
In your lament it seemed that people of a certain level of intelligence or education be allowed to vote. Who is to decide this?
Also, I have not found education to be a that decisive of a factor in showing intelligence. Many times I've met 'educated' and accomplished people who say things on par with your average Tea Partier, or alternately dogmatic leftist. So a better 'education system' doesn't necessarily produce fruit in and of itself.
Tom Tancredo can decide.
| 584 |
yasharki Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:03:40pm |
This thread is starting to looks like an IRC shitmatch, is this how blog comments are used now?
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:03:54pm |
re: #579 BigPapa
In your lament it seemed that people of a certain level of intelligence or education be allowed to vote. Who is to decide this?
Me. I've totally got dibs on that position. I'd only support it provided that I get to be the guy who writes the tests. I'll have Stalin looking like a small-town dogcatcher within a decade!
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:03:56pm |
re: #552 ArchangelMichael
I believe what we are seeing here is the left wing version of something often discussed here. The whole tendency for the right to talk about freedom and liberty and limited government, while trying to ram religious dogma and theocracy down our throats at the same time.
One reason they do it is because they think that without proper religious morals and guidance, the people are too stupid and immoral to be able to handle freedom and democracy. Society will collapse into anarchy.
Apparently the left wing version is disenfranchise everyone that disagrees with them beyond a certain point, because they obviously are too stupid and immoral to be able handle freedom and democracy. Society will collapse into regressive theocracy.
I am not being leftist.
Not even close. I also am not calling for disenfranchising anyone.
I am appalled that morons have the same vote as educated people. I am appalled that those morons are turning into neo-fascists. But I wasn't calling for dismantling suffrage.
Not being opposed to the notion of having a basic and fair educational requirement that did not discriminate on the basis of race or creed, as a perquisite to voting, in the context of such education being freely available to all, is hardly calling for stripping of rights.
| 588 |
McSpiff Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:04:02pm |
Night y'all, thanks for working tirelessly to save the free world from itself.
| 589 |
Stonemason Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:04:12pm |
re: #566 darthstar
Yes, but rapture isn't death, you tard...it's "eternal life of bliss"...playing mah-jong on a cloud with Elvis, getting blown by Mother Teresa while Jimmy Hendrix rips a fuckin' riff on his guitar that makes your skin tingle...you know, paradise. God rapturing your ass early would be a win-win, wouldn't it?
Breaking my personal rule about not dealing with personal insults (Fuck you asshole, only disgusting bigots use slurs that refer to mental retardation).
You obviously do not believe what those who do believe think, therefore ( and this is rather simple) all you believe is that they die. A Christians point of view is that death is rapture, your point of view is that rapture is only death. Twist is all you want, it's your point of view, which is obvious from the childish, insulting post (to which I responded in kind).
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darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:04:21pm |
re: #582 TheMatrix31
He still knows.
And he still doesn't give a shit. Seriously. Save god for your Glenn Beck rallies...don't waste him on blog posts.
| 591 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:04:44pm |
re: #572 TheMatrix31
If LudwigVanBigot had his way, I wouldn't be a part of that solution. I'd be busy en route to North Korea.
Well that is because you think waterboarding brown people is OK. And you are calling me a bigot. That is rich.
| 592 |
TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:04:48pm |
re: #586 LudwigVanQuixote
. I am appalled that those morons are turning into neo-fascists.
You're being a neo-fascist yourself. You know that, right?
| 593 |
goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:05:16pm |
re: #551 Nimed
One of my nephews wants to watch a pretty violent animé (this one), and my sister asked for my input. This particular series deals with a small village "with a dark secret" in which a bunch of murders occur. From what I can tell, it's basically a whodunnit, but I've been snooping around some forums to form a better idea of the series, and apparently there's one scene with a ritual torture that involves fingernail pulling (yes, really). So... I'm probably telling my sister not let her watch and suffer the ire of my nephew.
Thanks for the validating input. :)
How old is the nephew? Syriana contains an equivalent scene, and I would probably let a teenager watch that with supervision, but then my Mom took me to see Scarface when I was twelve, on Christmas Eve, also I don't have kids yet ... one might have something to do with the other.
| 595 |
TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:05:59pm |
re: #591 LudwigVanQuixote
I'll waterboard terrorists. I don't give a shit. I'll waterboard anybody who has critical information about the security of other people.
| 596 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:06:00pm |
re: #579 BigPapa
I read your words, they're in this post. Your 'panty twister' foil made a good point, that is all. Please don't involve me in your scrum.
In your lament it seemed that people of a certain level of intelligence or education be allowed to vote. Who is to decide this?
Also, I have not found education to be a that decisive of a factor in showing intelligence. Many times I've met 'educated' and accomplished people who say things on par with your average Tea Partier, or alternately dogmatic leftist. So a better 'education system' doesn't necessarily produce fruit in and of itself.
I also said that such a thing is not what I would really want anyway. I prefer the notion of service.
Keep reading.
| 597 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:06:31pm |
re: #595 TheMatrix31
I'll waterboard terrorists. I don't give a shit. I'll waterboard anybody who has critical information about the security of other people.
Particularly if they are brown. So really, shut the fuck up.
| 598 |
Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:07:41pm |
re: #597 LudwigVanQuixote
Particularly if they are brown. So really, shut the fuck up.
Group hugs everyone!
| 599 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:07:42pm |
re: #592 TheMatrix31
You're being a neo-fascist yourself. You know that, right?
Not at all. Well certainly no more than Churchill was or Plato was.
Too bad you forgot that even you finally figured that out.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:08:26pm |
re: #595 TheMatrix31
I'll waterboard terrorists. I don't give a shit. I'll waterboard anybody who has critical information about the security of other people.
I'll bet, if you were actually supposed to inflict torture yourself, that you wouldn't actually do it. You like the idea of it, but you couldn't actually do it if you were in that situation.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:08:31pm |
re: #595 TheMatrix31
I'll waterboard terrorists. I don't give a shit. I'll waterboard anybody who has critical information about the security of other people.
1. How do you know they have such information?
2. How do you know they are terrorists?
3. Who are you to decide who's a terrorist or who has such information?
4. What if they don't?
I hereby accuse you of being a terrorist who has critical information about the security of other people. Now that that's out there on the table, go dunk your head.
| 602 |
NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:10:01pm |
re: #598 Mr Pancakes
Group hugs everyone!
All terrorists are brown people? I didn't know that. WOW...The things you learn on LGF.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:10:49pm |
re: #597 LudwigVanQuixote
Wow dude. You're such a fucking piece of shit. Holy crap.
Accusing me of being a racist when you have absolutely NO proof for doing so? That's twice I've been accused of being a racist in the last two times I've visited LGF. Once by Windsagio for insinuating I'm a racist because I don't find Condoleeza Rice particularly attractive, and now by you.
I can't believe this shit. I literally can't believe this shit.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:11:08pm |
re: #600 darthstar
I'll bet, if you were actually supposed to inflict torture yourself, that you wouldn't actually do it. You like the idea of it, but you couldn't actually do it if you were in that situation.
Bolded the truly fucked up part.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:11:58pm |
re: #595 TheMatrix31
I'll waterboard terrorists. I don't give a shit. I'll waterboard anybody who has critical information about the security of other people.
"I need those eleven herbs and spices right goddamned now you greasy old bastard!"
*colonel-gurgle*
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:13:44pm |
re: #603 TheMatrix31
Wow dude. You're such a fucking piece of shit. Holy crap.
Accusing me of being a racist when you have absolutely NO proof for doing so? That's twice I've been accused of being a racist in the last two times I've visited LGF. Once by Windsagio for insinuating I'm a racist because I don't find Condoleeza Rice particularly attractive, and now by you.
I can't believe this shit. I literally can't believe this shit.
I know what you're saying. I got bulshit lies told about me by LVQ as well. How does it feel to have a blatant liar and hateful bigot trashing you?
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:14:19pm |
re: #602 NJDhockeyfan
All terrorists are brown people? I didn't know that. WOW...The things you learn on LGF.
My wife is "brown" and she has terrorized me at times,
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Nimed Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:14:30pm |
re: #593 goddamnedfrank
How old is the nephew? Syriana contains an equivalent scene, and I would probably let a teenager watch that with supervision, but then my Mom took me to see Scarface when I was twelve, on Christmas Eve, also I don't have kids yet ... one might have something to do with the other.
I know what you mean -- I think most of us have done our fair share of sneaking around to watch violent or "naughty" movies when we were teenagers, and it's not like we've been scarred for life.
She is 13, and she is very smart and mature for her age (well, I would say that, wouldn't I?). She would watch the series at home without adult supervision, either alone or with some of her friends.
What's more, the series is currently on Hulu, so it's not going to be easy to enforce the veto.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:14:46pm |
re: #600 darthstar
I would do it if it was my job to do so.
re: #601 elbruce
Uh, dude, you DO realize that the point of my post was about how it doesn't matter what "color" someone is, if they possess the info that KSM does, then its anything goes, right? You DO REALIZE that the whole POINT of my post was not about waterboarding, but to refute the fucking accusation that I'm somehow racist/prejudiced/bigoted/whatever....RIGHT?!
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:15:28pm |
re: #606 NJDhockeyfan
It's what they do. I shouldn't be surprised.
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Henchman Ghazi-808 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:15:45pm |
re: #596 LudwigVanQuixote
I also said that such a thing is not what I would really want anyway. I prefer the notion of service.
Keep reading.
I did read, that's why I said 'lament.'
What is this 'service' you speak of, to be allowed/tested to vote? I'm honestly curious, this is not some kinda gotcha.
if I missed something trying to gloss through the shit talking insults, please forgive me and lay off the 'keep reading' demands.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:16:21pm |
re: #607 Mr Pancakes
My wife is "brown" and she has terrorized me at times,
Well hell, which husband hasn't experienced that?
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:16:26pm |
Torture is not an effective method of gaining information. It's been proved over and over and over again. The only reason people want to torture other people is if they're engaging in complete psychopathy. Gaining information is never anything more than an excuse.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]
Oh yeah, it's also a horrific war crime, and in direct opposition to everything America stands for. But that's actually beside the point.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:17:31pm |
re: #613 elbruce
Yes, but internet warriors still fantasize about doing it.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:18:54pm |
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:19:38pm |
re: #609 TheMatrix31
Uh, dude, you DO realize that the point of my post was about how it doesn't matter what "color" someone is, if they possess the info that KSM does, then its anything goes, right? You DO REALIZE that the whole POINT of my post was not about waterboarding, but to refute the fucking accusation that I'm somehow racist/prejudiced/bigoted/whatever...RIGHT?!
I never accused you of being racist. But if you're going to volunteer to waterboard people, then I'm going to accuse you of plenty of other things.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:19:51pm |
re: #614 darthstar
Internet warriors also fantasize about their opponents going to North Korea if they don't believe in what he believes, and about people they look down upon to be stripped of the right to vote, thereby SHITTING ON EVERYTHING they claim they're trying to preserve.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:20:35pm |
re: #617 elbruce
I never accused you of being racist. But if you're going to volunteer to waterboard people, then I'm going to accuse you of plenty of other things.
Ludwig accused me of being a racist. My response was to him. The point of me saying "I'll waterboard anyone" is that it doesn't matter WHAT color or WHAT background they're from.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:22:07pm |
re: #618 TheMatrix31
Internet warriors also fantasize about their opponents going to North Korea if they don't believe in what he believes, and about people they look down upon to be stripped of the right to vote, thereby SHITTING ON EVERYTHING they claim they're trying to preserve.
Well, if you're going to come out in favor of waterboarding, then it's worth pointing out that North Korea would probably have a form of government you'd rather live under than this one. I can guaran-goddamn-tee you that Kim Jong Il will keep you safe from international terrorism, no matter what he has to do to how many people.
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NJDhockeyfan Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:22:16pm |
Goodnight friends, time to go to bed. I've read enough hateful bigoted posts for one evening.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:22:25pm |
re: #618 TheMatrix31
Oh, you got e-insulted? I'm so sorry. Would you like a pootie pic to make you feel better? I don't think anyone is actually going to try to ship you off to North Korea, by the way...it was probably just meant as a dig to get under your skin for saying something that made you sound like Kim Jong Il...don't take it personally. Hell, don't take anything you read on the internet personally (especially comments from young Russian girls who think you're sexy and could you buy them a business class ticket to the US?)
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darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:22:48pm |
re: #621 NJDhockeyfan
Goodnight friends, time to go to bed. I've read enough hateful bigoted posts for one evening.
I never read my own shit.
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darthstar Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:23:04pm |
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:23:15pm |
re: #619 TheMatrix31
Ludwig accused me of being a racist. My response was to him. The point of me saying "I'll waterboard anyone" is that it doesn't matter WHAT color or WHAT background they're from.
You could have just as well said "I'll shake hands with anyone," or "I'll hug anyone." Maybe "I'll share my sandwich with anyone." Something nice like that.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:24:27pm |
re: #403 Nimed
Forget about the voting criteria for a moment. What you're proposing is a society in which a class of citizens wouldn't have political representation. These people would for all purposes live in a dictatorship. Doesn't the idea bother you?
This would also be a good time to remember that the people in the video are self-selected among those who like Glenn Beck, and that the interviews were edited to show the parts where they are making a fool of themselves. We are not looking at a cross-section of American society.
Finally, bear in mind that, in spite of a fair amount of noise and demagoguery in the media, it's very unlikely that voters today are less informed about policy and current events than voters in the 19th century -- there's no reason to believe that today's citizens are particularly ignorant.
Right now we are living in a dictatorship of the stupid, whose stupid choices are killing us all. I would be all for changing that.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:26:07pm |
re: #606 NJDhockeyfan
I know what you're saying. I got bulshit lies told about me by LVQ as well. How does it feel to have a blatant liar and hateful bigot trashing you?
What have I lied about ever hockey puck?
You are one of the biggest wingnuts here and have been for some time. That si not a lie.
You whine about the rights of ignorant people to affect policy on matters they know nothing of, yet you are happy about denying the accused trials and torturing people. You have absolutely no ground to stand on.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:26:08pm |
re: #626 LudwigVanQuixote
Right now we are living in a dictatorship of the stupid, whose stupid choices are killing us all. I would be all for changing that.
Last time I checked, most of the people in charge of government were pretty smart. They may not agree with me quite as much as I'd like, but the smart folks seem to have the upper hand at present.
If you can't see that, then your view of the country has to be at least as skewed as the folks in the OP video.
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goddamnedfrank Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:26:19pm |
re: #593 goddamnedfrank
How old is the nephew?
re: #608 Nimed
She is 13, and she is very smart and mature for her age (well, I would say that, wouldn't I?). She would watch the series at home without adult supervision, either alone or with some of her friends.
Your 13 year old nephew is a she? This is why I love America, it frequently defies expectations.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:26:35pm |
re: #621 NJDhockeyfan
Goodnight friends, time to go to bed. I've read enough hateful bigoted posts for one evening.
What you haven't made enough yet?
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SpaceJesus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:28:12pm |
lets come up with a fun and interesting way to trick these rednecks to leave the country and give up their passports
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:28:51pm |
re: #627 LudwigVanQuixote
What have I lied about ever hockey puck?
You are one of the biggest wingnuts here and have been for some time. That si not a lie.
You whine about the rights of ignorant people to affect policy on matters they know nothing of, yet you are happy about denying the accused trials and torturing people. You have absolutely no ground to stand on.
And you'd love NOTHING more than to see the rest of the conservatives here disappear.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:29:26pm |
re: #631 SpaceJesus
lets come up with a fun and interesting way to trick these rednecks to leave the country and give up their passports
If they don't believe in global warming, we could sell them vacation trips to Venus...
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:29:28pm |
re: #628 elbruce
Last time I checked, most of the people in charge of government were pretty smart. They may not agree with me quite as much as I'd like, but the smart folks seem to have the upper hand at present.
If you can't see that, then your view of the country has to be at least as skewed as the folks in the OP video.
Really, we have a major political party pushing the likes of Palin, W. Bush, Inhofe, Barton, Boehner, Angle, and Bachmann to name a few.
I think I win on evidence pretty quickly.
While we are at it, the Dems, while generally more intelligent, are spineless and self serving. This gives the morons disproportionate leverage.
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yasharki Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:29:39pm |
re: #616 darthstar
Sure it's a fiction, being a movie shot in a studio. However the part I'm referring to provides a rather accurate depiction of how torture can be an effective method of gaining information.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:29:59pm |
re: #631 SpaceJesus
lets come up with a fun and interesting way to trick these rednecks to leave the country and give up their passports
You can co-sponsor the "Let's ship people I disagree with to North Korea" initiative that was started by one of your buddies.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:30:21pm |
re: #632 TheMatrix31
And you'd love NOTHING more than to see the rest of the conservatives here disappear.
Real conservatives I have no problem. Whiny, hypocritical, ignorant, lunatics, like you I can do without.
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SpaceJesus Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:30:38pm |
re: #637 TheMatrix31
You can co-sponsor the "Let's ship people I disagree with to North Korea" initiative that was started by one of your buddies.
that actually sounds hilarious. who said that?
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:30:58pm |
re: #637 TheMatrix31
You can co-sponsor the "Let's ship people I disagree with to North Korea" initiative that was started by one of your buddies.
Why, they promote a very similar style of government - just like you do.
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TheMatrix31 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:31:56pm |
re: #639 SpaceJesus
that actually sounds hilarious. who said that?
LudwigVanQuixote.
Jesus Christ...I'm outta here for the night. Well done.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:32:08pm |
re: #634 LudwigVanQuixote
Really, we have a major political party pushing the likes of Palin, W. Bush, Inhofe, Barton, Boehner, Angle, and Bachmann to name a few.
I think I win on evidence pretty quickly.
While we are at it, the Dems, while generally more intelligent, are spineless and self serving. This gives the morons disproportionate leverage.
You said the stupid people had established a dictatorship. The facts demonstrate that they haven't. They certainly have a disproportionally loud voice and influence compared to what they deserve, but they do not have dictatorial control over me or my country.
Chill out. We can handle this without flipping out and chucking one-man-one-vote out the window.
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tradewind Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:32:10pm |
re: #568 LudwigVanQuixote
Well, relax. This should make you feel soo much better. The Administration's Secretary of Education reportedly sent an official email encouraging his employees ( well, actually our employees) to further their intellectual development by hanging out with the man who made Tawana Brawley famous.
Of course, he's a minister, so this could have been interpreted as interfering with the separation interpretation of the Establishment clause, but hey.... who's keeping score? That's only applicable to Wal*Mart shoppers.
[Link: www.washingtonexaminer.com...]
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Mr Pancakes Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:33:42pm |
re: #631 SpaceJesus
lets come up with a fun and interesting way to trick these rednecks to leave the country and give up their passports
I think you have to have a passport to leave the country. Rednecks don't need no stinking passport.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:33:55pm |
re: #611 BigPapa
I did read, that's why I said 'lament.'
What is this 'service' you speak of, to be allowed/tested to vote? I'm honestly curious, this is not some kinda gotcha.
if I missed something trying to gloss through the shit talking insults, please forgive me and lay off the 'keep reading' demands.
But I laid that out explicitly, in a reply to you, without insults. I am curious, how if you are reading, you missed:
Look, If I really had my way, I would demand a social service requirement for voting. We went over this in very great detail once on another thread, but I rather like expanding on Heinlein's ideas on the matter.
Those who give a damn enough about their nation to serve in one way or another for some period of time -- doing any number of things, it could be teaching, or caring for the elderly, or the military - get to vote. Those who could not be bothered to give to their nation, get all the benefits of living here, save voting.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:36:39pm |
re: #643 tradewind
Of course, he's a minister, so this could have been interpreted as interfering with the separation interpretation of the Establishment clause, but hey... who's keeping score? That's only applicable to Wal*Mart shoppers.
It wasn't a religous event. Nor was it a partisan/political event, as Beck said his wasn't either. Just a march honoring Dr. King's speech. What's wrong with that?
Saying "it could have been interpreted as" and then adding a ridiculous interpretation is a cute rhetorical device. Yes, it "could have been interpreted as" a interfering with the Establishment clause, but only if you are an insane person. By a rational mind, it cannot.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:38:15pm |
re: #645 LudwigVanQuixote
Look, If I really had my way, I would demand a social service requirement for voting. We went over this in very great detail once on another thread, but I rather like expanding on Heinlein's ideas on the matter.
Those who give a damn enough about their nation to serve in one way or another for some period of time -- doing any number of things, it could be teaching, or caring for the elderly, or the military - get to vote. Those who could not be bothered to give to their nation, get all the benefits of living here, save voting.
I don't have a problem with service, even mandatory service. I don't see any necessity to tie it to suffrage though.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:39:53pm |
Oh, and all those stupid Wal-Mart shopping trailer trash crackers? After their service period, they'd still be stupid Wal-Mart shopping trailer trash crackers. And under your system they'd still get to vote. So your scheme doesn't even solve the problem that you're identifying to begin with.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:40:21pm |
re: #332 SanFranciscoZionist
Because we are the people.
And because you can be just as crazy and reality-resistant as any of these folks, and be highly educated.
Which is why I am very much more interested in a service requirement.
As we we are the people...
Here I disagree with you.
Because of people like that, we are marching the world towards destruction. All talk of democracy really goes out the window when there isn't wenough food to go around.
Such a fate is avoidable - except that the ignorant have been manipulated by the evil and as a result your kids and mine will see America and our civilization collapse if they have their way.
I am all for democracy up to the point that it produces the destruction of itself and all those who knew better.
I do not like the idea of dying for the twisted views of the disgusting people in that video, and neither should you.
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tradewind Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:41:53pm |
re: #646 elbruce
Of course.
Maybe he was just trying to help assure a more diverse, less partisan crowd.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:42:30pm |
re: #650 yasharki
Where do you shop?
Wal-Mart, most of the time. I'm not saying I ain't one of 'em. :D
| 654 |
redc1c4 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:42:58pm |
re: #1 Ojoe
looks a lot better than it did last year at this time.....
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Nimed Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:43:10pm |
re: #629 goddamnedfrank
Your 13 year old nephew is a she? This is why I love America, it frequently defies expectations.
Godammit. Sorry for the glitch -- English is not my first language, and sometimes it shows.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:43:26pm |
re: #651 tradewind
Maybe he was just trying to help assure a more diverse, less partisan crowd.
Beck's rally wasn't partisan. He said so. What's wrong with having more than one event on this auspicious day?
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Henchman Ghazi-808 Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:43:58pm |
re: #645 LudwigVanQuixote
But I laid that out explicitly, in a reply to you, without insults. I am curious, how if you are reading, you missed:
Look, If I really had my way, I would demand a social service requirement for voting. We went over this in very great detail once on another thread, but I rather like expanding on Heinlein's ideas on the matter.
Those who give a damn enough about their nation to serve in one way or another for some period of time -- doing any number of things, it could be teaching, or caring for the elderly, or the military - get to vote. Those who could not be bothered to give to their nation, get all the benefits of living here, save voting.
Yes I recall that statement, missed that it was for me and your answer. Thanks.
The only problem I see is that there are other ways to serve your country, one of them being a business owner and employing people. It seems that while it may be of benefit, there may also be loopholes.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:44:22pm |
re: #648 elbruce
Oh, and all those stupid Wal-Mart shopping trailer trash crackers? After their service period, they'd still be stupid Wal-Mart shopping trailer trash crackers. And under your system they'd still get to vote. So your scheme doesn't even solve the problem that you're identifying to begin with.
NO, because it is a voluntary service system that most of those would not volunteer for. Those that did would see some more of the world and learn useful life experience about how society works. What it selects for are those who are not completely self centered.
| 659 |
tradewind Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:45:17pm |
re: #649 LudwigVanQuixote
Because of people like that, we are marching the world towards destruction.
You might want to ease off the hyperbole highway.
Even if you don't want to, it might help with the credibility thing in case you ever really need to raise an alarm.
| 660 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:46:43pm |
re: #659 tradewind
This from one of the AGW deniers. Look, you can call it hyperbole. But it isn't.
If you knew anything at all about ocean anoxia you wold ot be saying such ignorant crap.
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elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:48:25pm |
re: #653 tradewind
Cracker, please.
No slurs.
Skip to 2:06 for my response.
Using slurs against minorities does help keep them down, and therefore supports institutional racism. But using slurs against the majority group doesn't topple us from our position of power at all. Call me whatever you want, at the end of the day I'm still white. If you're insulted by me insinuating that you're a mayo-on-wonder-bread-eating NASCAR-watching sister-banging Wal-Mart-shopping trailer-park beer-swilling country-music cracker redneck honky, then you're really way too insecure about your whiteness. If it was me, I'd just laugh.
| 662 |
tradewind Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:49:09pm |
re: #656 elbruce
I wasn't talking about Beck's rally.
But since you mention it, just imagine the outrage had the secretary been caught sending an email urging attendance at that one, instead.
| 663 |
elbruce Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:50:04pm |
re: #662 tradewind
I wasn't talking about Beck's rally.
But since you mention it, just imagine the outrage had the secretary been caught sending an email urging attendance at that one, instead.
Meh, it'd probably be about the same as what you posted.
| 665 |
tnguitarist Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:52:14pm |
Ok.....someone has the nick 'Cankles McCellulite'. That made me laugh.
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yasharki Mon, Aug 30, 2010 11:53:23pm |
re: #661 elbruce
Dammit is there no way to do a quoted string or regular expression search on popular search engines?
| 668 |
harlequinade Tue, Aug 31, 2010 12:08:50am |
While this is a very interesting debate on the ability of certain types of people to vote, there is a enormous elephant over here that I'd like to draw your attention to.
The people in this video are getting faulty information. They are being fed lied and distortions under the guise of fact and news. It isn't the electorate that's the problem, it's the information they are getting.
And blah blah blah freedom of speech blah blah blah protects the rights of liars to lie to people who are scared. BUT these liars need to be called on it. Publicly and all the time.
Let's look at how us Brits deal with, say, Coulter.
Until there's a rigorous, balanced, and investigative press - because 2 liberals on MSNBC and a couple of satirists does now a Librul media make - these people will continue to be mushrooms - kept in the dark and fed BS.
| 669 |
Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 31, 2010 12:10:28am |
re: #668 harlequinade
While this is a very interesting debate on the ability of certain types of people to vote, there is a enormous elephant over here that I'd like to draw your attention to.
The people in this video are getting faulty information. They are being fed lied and distortions under the guise of fact and news. It isn't the electorate that's the problem, it's the information they are getting.
And blah blah blah freedom of speech blah blah blah protects the rights of liars to lie to people who are scared. BUT these liars need to be called on it. Publicly and all the time.
Let's look at how us Brits deal with, say, Coulter.
Until there's a rigorous, balanced, and investigative press - because 2 liberals on MSNBC and a couple of satirists does now a Librul media make - these people will continue to be mushrooms - kept in the dark and fed BS.
This is an excellent post.
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tnguitarist Tue, Aug 31, 2010 12:15:01am |
re: #668 harlequinade
While this is a very interesting debate on the ability of certain types of people to vote, there is a enormous elephant over here that I'd like to draw your attention to.
The people in this video are getting faulty information. They are being fed lied and distortions under the guise of fact and news. It isn't the electorate that's the problem, it's the information they are getting.
And blah blah blah freedom of speech blah blah blah protects the rights of liars to lie to people who are scared. BUT these liars need to be called on it. Publicly and all the time.
Let's look at how us Brits deal with, say, Coulter.
Until there's a rigorous, balanced, and investigative press - because 2 liberals on MSNBC and a couple of satirists does now a Librul media make - these people will continue to be mushrooms - kept in the dark and fed BS.
Also lost in all this is the great interviewing skills of Mr. Whiteside.
| 671 |
harlequinade Tue, Aug 31, 2010 12:22:07am |
re: #669 LudwigVanQuixote
This is an excellent post.
Quoted for Truth? Or... is that too... you know :)
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yasharki Tue, Aug 31, 2010 12:33:04am |
re: #669 LudwigVanQuixote
There isn't a funnel feeding lies and distortions to particular group of people. Most rational people dismiss it for the nonsense it is. It's lack of basic education, or lack of cognitive ability which is what's making people fall for illogical, false, and often opportunistic propaganda.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 31, 2010 12:33:09am |
re: #671 harlequinade
Quoted for Truth? Or... is that too... you know :)
I alluded to the same point when I wrote about democracies failing when the ignorant are riled up.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 31, 2010 12:34:14am |
re: #672 yasharki
There isn't a funnel feeding lies and distortions to particular group of people. Most rational people dismiss it for the nonsense it is. It's lack of basic education, or lack of cognitive ability which is what's making people fall for illogical, false, and often opportunistic propaganda.
Which is why I would be all for a fair educational requirement - but even more for a service requirement that forced people out into the world a little to help others if they want to vote.
| 675 |
bobster1985 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 12:34:23am |
I've disabled Fox News on my TV remote. I think these folks have disabled every channel EXCEPT Fox News.
| 676 |
SpaceJesus Tue, Aug 31, 2010 12:34:45am |
re: #672 yasharki
brainwashing at an early age by their equally brain-dead parents is where my space money is at on this issue
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 31, 2010 12:35:21am |
re: #672 yasharki
But in the case of Fox news and Beck and Rush and the GOP punditry, there most certainly is a large, well formed and repulsive mechanism for feeding lies to and stirring up the fears of the unwashed and stupid.
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harlequinade Tue, Aug 31, 2010 12:43:30am |
re: #672 yasharki
Not at all. Rational people believe irrational things if said loud enough, often enough, and without a loud and often refutation.
And debate/education has been branded elitist. It's not for the little people who believe things at a gut level. Once that meme has been loaded, then debate doesn't work. Because that's what elitists do.
And look at the debate had, was it yesterday?, about Air America. Liberal media is boring or ranting.
Apply this to a wider subject. The right wing media is controlling the narrative. The left is brow beat. The left doesn't like it's man in the white house. He's not left wing enough etc etc etc.
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harlequinade Tue, Aug 31, 2010 12:50:45am |
And - again - news shouldn't be partisan. Opinion should be - facts shouldn't. Partisan news plays into narratives of "this is a left wing lie."
There should be an aggressive line of "These are the facts. Do you have opposing facts or is this just your opinion" in the press.
Anderson Cooper the other day in the terror baby thing was a perfect example of this. But there needs to be more, and there needs to be more and it needs to be widespread.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 31, 2010 12:51:10am |
re: #478 Walter L. Newton
All of this bothers me... Ludwig's bigoted attitude toward voters and the fact that his comment as going to play big over at the stalker blog. Why wouldn't I be concerned.
I've never NOT been support of LGF... what the fuck are you talking about?
Ohh I missed this gem!
Walter.. the concern troll who worries what ignorant stalkers think.
As to bigoted, Walter, what did I say was bigoted at all?
I know you are going to try to run with that meme, but could you explain which racial or religious group I preferentially discriminated against?
Walter, I know that I am discriminating against useless and stupid morons and perhaps that is hits a nerve with you. Maybe that is what you are concerned about?
As always a day late and a dollar short with the trolling. You really are the most pathetic of all the trolls here - particularly since your buddy Bagua jumped ship. Do say hi to him for me.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 31, 2010 12:52:49am |
re: #678 harlequinade
Not at all. Rational people believe irrational things if said loud enough, often enough, and without a loud and often refutation.
And debate/education has been branded elitist. It's not for the little people who believe things at a gut level. Once that meme has been loaded, then debate doesn't work. Because that's what elitists do.
And look at the debate had, was it yesterday?, about Air America. Liberal media is boring or ranting.
Apply this to a wider subject. The right wing media is controlling the narrative. The left is brow beat. The left doesn't like it's man in the white house. He's not left wing enough etc etc etc.
Yes, programmed irrationality makes rational argument impossible. The more incoherent one is, the more of a point of pride it becomes.
The "dignity" of dunces.
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Cheechako Tue, Aug 31, 2010 1:01:32am |
After struggling through this thread I have a couple of comments.
First, the Constitution makes voting a right with only 2 requirements. You must be a citizen and must 18 years old. Very simple and easily verified requirements.
Secondly, modification of these rights have been attempted in the past. Poll taxes, males only, and property ownership requirements were attempts to restrict which citizens were allowed to vote. These restrictions dis-enfranchised many citizens and were rightfully thrown out.
Adding an educational requirement would be just another attempt to say who could and who could not vote. Just another bad idea.
Yes, voters should be educated in the issues and consequences of their votes but that's up to the individual and the individual only.
Sometimes you have to take the bad along with the good.
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harlequinade Tue, Aug 31, 2010 1:04:37am |
re: #681 LudwigVanQuixote
The "dignity" of dunces.
I grew up watching zombie movies and believe that they should have some metaphorical value. I hated the recent rash of zombie media because I couldn't see what the metaphor was. I knew people that had formulated zombie plans.
And then I read World War Z and the horrible truth was that the metaphor is that the zombies of our age are us. The great, mass of us. The dignity of dunces. Which makes our zombie fiction even worse.
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yasharki Tue, Aug 31, 2010 1:16:17am |
re: #677 LudwigVanQuixote
Yep, and they're riding this mechanism all the way to the bank. I think the only way to defeat this foolishness is by providing proper education. There's no way a sane individual who knew anything about communism could label any of our elected officials as one, or label democratically implemented reforms as socialism.
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harlequinade Tue, Aug 31, 2010 1:18:20am |
re: #682 Cheechako
Yes, voters should be educated in the issues and consequences of their votes but that's up to the individual and the individual only.
Sometimes you have to take the bad along with the good.
I disagree with this. Education isn't up to the individual. It never has been. We teach people in schools - which is being eroded, because that's seen as a political battleground.
Education through news is obviously important otherwise this conversation wouldn't keep coming up.
And if we look at all the non-rights issues hot button conversation points (so not gay marriage or abortion) they are all about distorting education: from evolution, global warming, stem cell research, taxes, the religion of the President.
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Obdicut Tue, Aug 31, 2010 1:50:20am |
re: #458 LudwigVanQuixote
Yes, taking ideas from history and Plato's Republic is bigoted... To be bigoted is to be unfairly disposed to a certain group of people.
I have singled out no group on race, creed or preference. I have said truthfully that a democracy is only as good as its electorate.
Basically, all you said was "Gee, it'd be great if everyone could be well-educated, and if we could actually assess that objectively."
Since that's an impossibility, at least at our current level of technology without good AI, what you're saying is just an unrealistic pipe dream.
Furthermore, you keep saying 'we'. Why do 'we' let these people vote.
Who do you mean by 'we', exactly?
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Cheese Eating Victory Monkey Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:40:46am |
Kudos to the interviewer for keeping a straight face and maintaining a more or less non-antagonistic stance throughout the video, just like Louis Theroux. This is a very effective way of getting idiots to reveal themselves.
Also, I noticed that most of the people interviewed are overweight and ironically will be among the biggest beneficiaries of Obamacare.
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PAUL_MACDONALD Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:03:44am |
That hurt my head. Why don't more people expose these whack-a-loons for who they are?
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Petero1818 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:35:02am |
re: #12 palomino
No, you are wrong. only Americans have hope, and that hope only rests with America.// What do I know though I am just a hopeless Canadian. I only know what my sister in Arizona tells me.
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Petero1818 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:47:54am |
re: #668 harlequinade
While this is a very interesting debate on the ability of certain types of people to vote, there is a enormous elephant over here that I'd like to draw your attention to.
The people in this video are getting faulty information. They are being fed lied and distortions under the guise of fact and news. It isn't the electorate that's the problem, it's the information they are getting.
And blah blah blah freedom of speech blah blah blah protects the rights of liars to lie to people who are scared. BUT these liars need to be called on it. Publicly and all the time.
re: #668 harlequinadeWhile this is a very interesting debate on the ability of certain types of people to vote, there is a enormous elephant over here that I'd like to draw your attention to.
The people in this video are getting faulty information. They are being fed lied and distortions under the guise of fact and news. It isn't the electorate that's the problem, it's the information they are getting.
And blah blah blah freedom of speech blah blah blah protects the rights of liars to lie to people who are scared. BUT these liars need to be called on it. Publicly and all the time.
Let's look at how us Brits deal with, say, Coulter.
Until there's a rigorous, balanced, and investigative press - because 2 liberals on MSNBC and a couple of satirists does now a Librul media make - these people will continue to be mushrooms - kept in the dark and fed BS.
Rigorous balanced press is indeed an important aspect of the debate, but I think given the wide variety of opinions that can be sourced both in the news and on the internet, it is a red herring. The real problem rests with an intellectually lazy electorate. It rests with people who feel they know enough to voice their opinion on camera when those opinions are informed based on "what their sister in Arizona " told them. These are undereducated, ill informed, but most importantly intellectually lazy people. The reason they watch only Fox News is not because it is the only news available to them, it is because it speaks to the preconceived notions in their head and gives them a voice. They dont want to be challenged in debate, they want to be told that they are right.
Let's look at how us Brits deal with, say, Coulter.
Until there's a rigorous, balanced, and investigative press - because 2 liberals on MSNBC and a couple of satirists does now a Librul media make - these people will continue to be mushrooms - kept in the dark and fed BS.
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Petero1818 Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:48:39am |
re: #668 harlequinade
While this is a very interesting debate on the ability of certain types of people to vote, there is a enormous elephant over here that I'd like to draw your attention to.
The people in this video are getting faulty information. They are being fed lied and distortions under the guise of fact and news. It isn't the electorate that's the problem, it's the information they are getting.
And blah blah blah freedom of speech blah blah blah protects the rights of liars to lie to people who are scared. BUT these liars need to be called on it. Publicly and all the time.
Let's look at how us Brits deal with, say, Coulter.
Until there's a rigorous, balanced, and investigative press - because 2 liberals on MSNBC and a couple of satirists does now a Librul media make - these people will continue to be mushrooms - kept in the dark and fed BS.
Rigorous balanced press is indeed an important aspect of the debate, but I think given the wide variety of opinions that can be sourced both in the news and on the internet, it is a red herring. The real problem rests with an intellectually lazy electorate. It rests with people who feel they know enough to voice their opinion on camera when those opinions are informed based on "what their sister in Arizona " told them. These are undereducated, ill informed, but most importantly intellectually lazy people. The reason they watch only Fox News is not because it is the only news available to them, it is because it speaks to the preconceived notions in their head and gives them a voice. They dont want to be challenged in debate, they want to be told that they are right.
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harlequinade Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:06:53am |
re: #691 Petero1818
I can see that point.
I remember as the net took off, and we managed to get our information down to bursts (this was in the early days of the web) we were told that there was just way too much information that we were getting, and we didn't have enough time to critically consider each piece as it came in, so we wet for what we thought we knew.
In the UK, I read The Guardian, because it's a left leaning broadsheet. I come here, because even though it's center right, it's more rational than my left wing sites - probably because it's more open to other opinion, so information _is_ rigorously tested.
But - I lean towards what I think I know.
Does this mean we need a more didactic left?
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:12:34am |
Well, it sure looks like America has been restored.
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JRCMYP Tue, Aug 31, 2010 11:09:27am |
re: #421 LudwigVanQuixote
NO not at all. Micheal savage wants to discriminate against race and wealth.
I do not want to discriminate against anything but stupidity and ignorance.
Consider a culture where women are routinely oppressed in egregious ways. If you give women like that, who have never known anything else the right to vote, they will elect mullahs with the democratic sanction to abuse them.
This is just the way it works. Democracy is something that requires a certain level of cultural development to function properly. It is a magnificent end, but not a magic bullet. It has flaws.
In order to exercise a meaningful vote, one must be capable of making meaningful decisions. That means one must be used to thinking things through on one's own.
Now the fact of the matter is that Hitler was elected. The fact of the matter is that so was Hamas. The fact of the matter is that we are seeing the American equivalent of this gaining in popularity and using our very system to do so.
Perhaps it is naive of me, but I believe that an educated society, with equal mobility for all, is more insulated against such crap.
I was asked a simple question, would I be OK with an educational requirement. I said yes. I stand by that. Voting is serious business. It should not be done by the ignorant - and it can not have, does not have and has never had good results when the ignorant are fired up.
Dude, you are REALLY pissing me off. You sound about as logical and well reasoned as the people at the Beck rally.
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Mad Prophet Ludwig Tue, Aug 31, 2010 11:48:20am |
re: #694 JRCMYP
Dude, you are REALLY pissing me off. You sound about as logical and well reasoned as the people at the Beck rally.
OK, so what did I say that was untrue or unreasonable?
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tradewind Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:59:25pm |
re: #660 LudwigVanQuixote
LOL@ the ocean anoxia reference. I'm sure you're just taking a break, posting from your executive offices at NOAA headquarters./
I am however , after lots of training, fairly adept at recognizing and dealing with hypoxia, and you're showing all the signs.
On second thought, make that hype-oxia.
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Reginald Perrin Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:27:35pm |
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Reginald Perrin Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:30:45pm |
re: #697 Reginald Perrin
The above comment should not have included a reply to darthstar.
My reply was directed towards the troll named tradewind.
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Longacre Tue, Aug 31, 2010 8:36:08pm |
RE: #12 palomino "How arrogant and ignorant do you have to be to believe that "America is the only bastion of hope in the world?" "
Likely a paraphrase, if imperfect, of Abraham Lincoln (1862 address to Congress); and employed later by Ronald Reagan (1964 "A Time For Choosing" speech, among others). If you prefer a more contemporary arrogant and ignorant source, try Barak Obama (to the Chicago Council on Global Affairs, 2007). I believe the phrase was also used on the platform Saturday.
***
If there was one theme from the Beck rally that resonated politically with the people I met there, it is perhaps best expressed by this, also from Reagan:
It's time we asked ourselves if we still know the freedoms intended for us by the Founding Fathers. James Madison said, "We base all our experiments on the capacity of mankind for self government."
This idea? that government was beholden to the people, that it had no other source of power is still the newest, most unique idea in all the long history of man's relation to man. This is the issue of this election: Whether we believe in our capacity for self-government or whether we abandon the American Revolution and confess that a little intellectual elite in a far-distant capital can plan our lives for us better than we can plan them ourselves.
You and I are told we must choose between a left or right, but I suggest there is no such thing as a left or right. There is only an up or down. Up to man's age-old dream-the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism. Regardless of their sincerity, their humanitarian motives, those who would sacrifice freedom for security have embarked on this downward path. Plutarch warned, "The real destroyer of the liberties of the people is he who spreads among them bounties, donations and benefits."
I'd encourage anyone to look up Reagan's speech and read it. The thrust of Beck Saturday, whatever his personal motive, was that for people to successfully self-govern as a nation, they must successfully govern themselves as individuals.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 1, 2010 10:37:37am |
re: #699 Longacre
Nonsense. That was about as far from Beck's message as it could be.
He was sharing the stage with some of the most virulent historical revisionists in America, John Hagee and David Barton, and promoting a Christian supremacist world view, denying the separation of church and state. He's been promoting this crap on his TV show for nearly a year, and for you to claim the mantle of Ronald Reagan for Beck is just beyond ludicrous. He's a huckster and a fraud.
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