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1 elizajane  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:40:17pm

It's not fair! There is no single, pithy, historically loaded hate word for "ignorant, bigoted, f*ck-witted religious nut-job." Clearly this man and his kind have not been persecuted enough. They have been unfairly deprived of the straightforward derogatory term they deserve. Poor them.

2 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:40:20pm

I'm at work and can't watch this video right now, but can I just say, "Yeeesh!"?

3 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:40:24pm

Doves, Outreach, Christ, and the N-word. Nice work, fellas.

4 Amory Blaine  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:42:08pm

That green screen behind him is itching for exploitation.

5 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:42:18pm

I wonder where they get their "pastoral degrees" from?

Hmmm,,,, geeee !!!!

//

(and yes,, I know that GOOGLE ads are key word driven!!))

6 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:42:33pm

re: #4 Amory Blaine

That green screen behind him is itching for exploitation.

so is his crotch!

7 bratwurst  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:45:02pm

Obviously a bunch of leftist plants!

8 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:45:03pm

From the same "pastor"

[Link: www.islamisofthedevil.com...]

nuff said !

9 Amory Blaine  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:45:04pm

Ugh they are using Pink Floyd music!!!

10 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:45:11pm

Dove World Outreach also affiliated with Geller and Spencer. They are the ones that wear "Islam is of the Devil" tee shirts, and Spencer/Geller were proud of the association up to the point of them changing pastors and demonstrating shoulder to shoulder with Westboro baptist ... at that point they became even too toxic for Spencer / Geller esp. since they were demonstrating at some synagogues in FL.

The original pastor used to talk to god while he was jogging iirc, and isn't this the church that Rifka Bary ended up at in FL?

11 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:45:25pm

re: #4 Amory Blaine

That green screen behind him is itching for exploitation.

Can someone photoshop him being chopped up by Stephen Colbert with a light saber?

12 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:46:11pm

Hey preacher man...

Matt. 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

and

Luke 10: 27 ...Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

There are more examples but I thought these two might make the point.

13 darthstar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:46:28pm

Faithpalm.

14 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:47:15pm

re: #10 Thanos

Dove World Outreach also affiliated with Geller and Spencer. They are the ones that wear "Islam is of the Devil" tee shirts, and Spencer/Geller were proud of the association up to the point of them changing pastors and demonstrating shoulder to shoulder with Westboro baptist ... at that point they became even too toxic for Spencer / Geller esp. since they were demonstrating at some synagogues in FL.

The original pastor used to talk to god while he was jogging iirc, and isn't this the church that Rifka Bary ended up at in FL?

and coffee mugs

Only $14.99 (plus shipping and handling!!)
[Link: www.islamisofthedevil.com...]
spit!

15 DaddyG  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:48:02pm

re: #14 sattv4u2

and coffee mugs

Only $14.99 (plus shipping and handling!!)
[Link: www.islamisofthedevil.com...]
spit!

Well there you go. They drink coffee and are obvoiusly going to hell.

/Mormon snark

16 squiems  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:49:17pm

no denying this guy is an islamophobic prick, but the "take home message" of this video is that racism is wrong, the "n word" is a demeaning word that shouldn't be used by anyone (black or white), and that all double standards (especially treating people different based on the color of their skin) are wrong and contrary to christianity. The video lacks any kind of subtlety, but it isn't racist.

17 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:49:33pm

re: #10 Thanos

Dove World Outreach also affiliated with Geller and Spencer. They are the ones that wear "Islam is of the Devil" tee shirts, and Spencer/Geller were proud of the association up to the point of them changing pastors and demonstrating shoulder to shoulder with Westboro baptist ... at that point they became even too toxic for Spencer / Geller esp. since they were demonstrating at some synagogues in FL.

The original pastor used to talk to god while he was jogging iirc, and isn't this the church that Rifka Bary ended up at in FL?

I don't find any direct connection between Rifqa and Dove, except that they did particapte in a rally for her.

"As the case was going to court in Coumbus, Ohio, a "Free Rifqa Rally" was held across from the courthouse for activists including a group from Florida Dove World Church with t-shirts reading "Islam is of the devil. Speakers included sponsors Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, and also Jamal Jivanjee."

[Link: www.talk2action.org...]

18 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:50:28pm

re: #15 DaddyG

Semi-private note: The shooter in Visalia turned out to be a psychotic former member of the church.

19 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:50:49pm

O.M.G.

Couldn't listen to the whole thing.
This is so awful.

re: #14 sattv4u2

and coffee mugs

Only $14.99 (plus shipping and handling!!)
[Link: www.islamisofthedevil.com...]
spit!

*spit* is right.

20 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:50:52pm

re: #16 squiems

Bullshit. The word is used way too much. Now why do you feel the need to apologize for these evil sunsabitches?

21 darthstar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:51:14pm

re: #19 reine.de.tout

I only got about 40 seconds into it before I'd heard enough myself.

22 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:51:38pm

OK, Terry, now tell us how you feel about Jews.

23 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:51:40pm

Ewww.

24 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:52:11pm

re: #22 Cato the Elder

OK, Terry, now tell us how you feel about Jews.

Let's not.

Eww. Eww. Eww.

25 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:52:11pm

re: #16 squiems

Geez.
That video is so racist, even the looks on people's faces are racist!
An ugly ugly piece of work.

26 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:52:17pm

re: #17 Walter L. Newton

I don't find any direct connection between Rifqa and Dove, except that they did particapte in a rally for her.

"As the case was going to court in Coumbus, Ohio, a "Free Rifqa Rally" was held across from the courthouse for activists including a group from Florida Dove World Church with t-shirts reading "Islam is of the devil. Speakers included sponsors Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, and also Jamal Jivanjee."

[Link: www.talk2action.org...]

What church did she end up at then, and what was the pastor's name? I'm sure I recall finding the church site and youth site while following up on the Rifka Bary story.

27 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:53:02pm

re: #18 EmmmieG

Semi-private note: The shooter in Visalia turned out to be a psychotic former member of the church.

damn

28 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:53:12pm

Not going to watch it. Sorry.

Some words feel like a slap in the face, even if they aren't directed at me.

29 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:53:34pm

re: #26 Thanos

What church did she end up at then, and what was the pastor's name? I'm sure I recall finding the church site and youth site while following up on the Rifka Bary story.

I can look, I don't know, Dove/Rifqa did not jump right up except for this rally.

30 webevintage  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:53:58pm

Yes, annoying man you offend me and make me sad to be a white, middle aged lady in the south.

Why are there so many whiny white folks out there just dying to say that word?
and I swear to God that ANYONE who says there are "white ni**ers and there are black ni**ers" is a fucking racist.
It is like beginning a sentance with "now I'm not a racist, but...." of course you know what comes next is gonna be racist.

My dad used to use the N word all the time. Did not make it right and would not make it ok for me to run around using it.
My father also got over his racism, no longer lets that word pass his lips and voted for Obama.

Groups of people can use words that those outside the group can not use.
That's life...grow up and get over it.

31 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:53:59pm
"Does that offend you? Well I don't know why."

That's the really offensive part. Ultimately, it's all about context. Saying it solely because you like to say it is really offensive.

The notion of African-Americans using the N-word to rob it of its power was largely started by Richard Pryor. Even that is controversial within the black community. But at least there's a reason there for them to say it. What's these peoples' reason?

32 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:54:01pm

re: #19 reine.de.tout

O.M.G.

Couldn't listen to the whole thing.
This is so awful.

*spit* is right.

right into his coffee AND his mug!

33 researchok  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:54:22pm

I have no issue with the message (as sophomoric as it is), only with the messenger.

Don't tell me how moral you are when your whole identity is wrapped in not so concealed bigotry.

In an exaggerated way, it's like watching Josef Mengele talking about how important it is to treat puppies and kittens kindly.

34 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:54:31pm

re: #16 squiems

no denying this guy is an islamophobic prick, but the "take home message" of this video is that racism is wrong, the "n word" is a demeaning word that shouldn't be used by anyone (black or white), and that all double standards (especially treating people different based on the color of their skin) are wrong and contrary to christianity. The video lacks any kind of subtlety, but it isn't racist.

so the (white) guy who wants to burn korans is just giving everyone a little lecture about the use of a racial slur. yeah, i'm not terribly interested in giving him a pass.

at this point, i'm almost as likely to take Spacejesus' word for what is or is not contrary to Christianity as this trou du cul...

35 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:55:06pm

re: #29 Walter L. Newton

Right, but remember the websites for Dove were entirely redone. I"ll look after dinner to see if I can find the old news stories that mention which church, I certainly could be mistaken.

36 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:55:28pm

re: #32 sattv4u2

right into his coffee AND his mug!

Speaking of which, time for my afternoon cup . . . BBIAM

37 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:57:00pm

So, when do they ever get any time to get around to, you know, doing some churchy stuff? Seems they're enjoying pissing everybody else way too much lately. We may have another burgeoning Westboro Baptist Church on our hands here...

38 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:57:28pm

On a happier note, Jarmila Groth and Maria Sharapova are about to start their match...

39 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:58:13pm

re: #35 Thanos

Right, but remember the websites for Dove were entirely redone. I"ll look after dinner to see if I can find the old news stories that mention which church, I certainly could be mistaken.

I don't know about the websites, I don't even know much about Dove. I was looking for a non-dove website reference, off hand, first few pages of google, didn't find anything about her being sequestered by them... and I won't be here in 20 minutes... going to work... you're probably right... I don't know. I was just trying to help out with a quick reference.

40 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:58:42pm

re: #37 elbruce

So, when do they ever get any time to get around to, you know, doing some churchy stuff? Seems they're enjoying pissing everybody else way too much lately. We may have another burgeoning Westboro Baptist Church on our hands here...

Like I said above, this church was out there with Westboro Baptist Church when they went to Florida to demonstrate a while back.

41 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:59:13pm

re: #38 Aceofwhat?

On a happier note, Jarmila Groth and Maria Sharapova are about to start their match...

Duece ,, 1st game ,, 1st set

42 allegro  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 2:59:26pm

re: #31 elbruce

The notion of African-Americans using the N-word to rob it of its power was largely started by Richard Pryor. Even that is controversial within the black community. But at least there's a reason there for them to say it. What's these peoples' reason?

That reminded me of that devastatingly funny SNL word association sketch he did. Not finding it on YouTube.

43 zora  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:01:27pm

i never use the word and it was not allowed in my household growing up. ( i also thought the "s" word was shut up until I was about 7 or 8) i have no problem with other black people who choose to use it in the company of adults. i hate for kids to get the impression that it is ok for whenever.

44 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:02:04pm

The message from slow-witted green-screen guy ("racism is wrong") would be acceptable were it not for it being completely undercut by the intro, including a bunch of grinning white freaks obviously getting stiffies or wet-ons at the opportunity to say the n-word on camera.

Oh, and Terry, at the beginning. "There are white ni@@ers, and there are black ni@@ers. If you act like a ni@@er, you are a ni@@er."

I'd love to know what his definition of "acting like one" is.

45 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:03:18pm

re: #41 sattv4u2

Duece ,, 1st game ,, 1st set

they're both winners in my book...

46 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:04:05pm

re: #44 Cato the Elder


I'd love to know what his definition of "acting like one" is.

Saggy gangsta pants.

47 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:04:37pm

They are full of anti-gay bigotry as well -- they used to have a sign saying "No Homo Mayor"...

48 elizajane  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:04:38pm

re: #16 squiems

no denying this guy is an islamophobic prick, but the "take home message" of this video is that racism is wrong, the "n word" is a demeaning word that shouldn't be used by anyone (black or white), and that all double standards (especially treating people different based on the color of their skin) are wrong and contrary to christianity. The video lacks any kind of subtlety, but it isn't racist.

Sorry, but no. It completely lacks any remote understanding of what history means to a group of people, what it is to be a minority, how oppressed groups can lay claim to insults as a way of defusing the word and reclaiming power ("queer", for instance). It's saying, "We don't hate you now, so stop acting like spoiled babies."

And frankly, I just fine it insulting (to black people, to my own intelligence) when white people make this big thing about how there is no racism any more except in the minds of blacks. Give me a break.

49 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:04:55pm

re: #45 Aceofwhat?

they're both winners in my book...

Did you see Sharapovas Sports Illustrated SwimSuit pix???

very , umm,,,, nice !

50 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:05:11pm

re: #37 elbruce

So, when do they ever get any time to get around to, you know, doing some churchy stuff? Seems they're enjoying pissing everybody else way too much lately. We may have another burgeoning Westboro Baptist Church on our hands here...

For some fundamentalist Christians, this is doing churchy stuff. I suspect that you're over all knowledge of American Christianity is very narrow.

Churchy stuff for many Christians in at least making it to church on Easter and Christmas, for a good group of other Christians, it's going every Sunday... and then the you could say a third group is more active, possibly doing church every week and a bible study and many a gathering on Wed.

But there is a fringe, like Dove, the fourth estate of Christians if you want to call them that, who are "very active", in the sense that they don't really see any difference between their religious duties and their civic duties. Add a touch of exclusivity to the mix, top it off with supersucessionism and you have a really nasty brew.

The Dove people really fit into the 4th category. Just classifying "churchy" stuff right along with Westboro styled Christian activism is broad brushed and wrong. There are millions of supporters in the liberal camp, black, whites and others, who do churchy things ever day, and you don't have to worry about them burning something on your front lawn.

51 stevemcg  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:05:17pm

These guys are good at using a reasonable sounding meme (racism is bad), but subtly complaining that the other guys are causing all the trouble. What? We wouldn't use such a word, not us. It's the other guys, then they complain to us for using the word. And they get paid to do it.
Not of course, that we are really paying them. The guys (comics and rappers) who do inevitably play to a smaller audience then conventional entertainers. But details don't matter here. It's the ability to frame the message and fool not the base, but the people hanging around the base. I can't believe how many intelligent people, doctors, engineers and such who eat this shit up.

52 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:06:05pm

re: #45 Aceofwhat?

re: #49 sattv4u2

Did you see Sharapovas Sports Illustrated SwimSuit pix???

very , umm,,, nice !

Oh ,, what the hell

[Link: www.google.com...]

53 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:06:16pm

re: #44 Cato the Elder

I'd love to know what his definition of "acting like one" is.

Me too. I often wear a bandana when i play tennis...what does that make me?

54 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:06:45pm

re: #53 Aceofwhat?

Me too. I often wear a bandana when i play tennis...what does that make me?

A no better tennis player than without one !?!?!

55 Linden Arden  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:06:53pm

A wise man taught me that if you use defamatory terms for other ethnic groups you only defile yourself and persuade reasonable people that your point-of-view is not worth listening to.

Wisdom is something you accumulate if life.


I am thankful for my teachers.

56 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:07:32pm

re: #50 Walter L. Newton

The fourth estate is the press, Walter.

Clergy is the first estate.

57 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:07:51pm

re: #42 allegro

That reminded me of that devastatingly funny SNL word association sketch he did. Not finding it on YouTube.

[Link: www.hulu.com...]

58 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:08:28pm

re: #49 sattv4u2

Did you see Sharapovas Sports Illustrated SwimSuit pix???

very , umm,,, nice !

actually, she's the sort of really tall girl who is better looking on camera than in real life...not that i'd kick her out of bed, but Jarmila is more my cup of tea...

59 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:09:46pm

re: #54 sattv4u2

A no better tennis player than without one !?!?!

well...my personal coolant system is very active. so i really do need something to keep the sweat out of my eyes...

60 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:10:10pm

I took a little sanity break because I was getting too angry at the unbearable stupidity out there. Then we have to see this.

Charles you are absolutely right for posting this. People need to see just how deluded and slobbering these white trash gimps are.

KT, as always, I am amazed by your abilities to find important links.

We should not be surprised that white trash who wants to have Burn a Koran Day, also sees no problem with spouting the N word with pride and then going on about hints of white people being put upon by blacks for jobs and housing (as if!), all while claiming to not be racist.

Yet, this is not good for my sanity.

These are pure and simple neo-nazi scum wrapped in the language of Jesus.

I am just listening to them - with the accent, and the trailer trash guy talking about pants on the ground, and I realize just how sick and ass backwards so much of America is.

I am getting sick to death of this.

61 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:10:10pm

Sister Molotov Cocktail of Just Equanimity and the leaders of the Unitarian Jihad say: "Pastor Terry, we are coming to burn a giant question mark on your church's lawn!"

62 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:10:53pm

re: #44 Cato the Elder

The message from slow-witted green-screen guy ("racism is wrong") would be acceptable were it not for it being completely undercut by the intro, including a bunch of grinning white freaks obviously getting stiffies or wet-ons at the opportunity to say the n-word on camera.

Oh, and Terry, at the beginning. "There are white ni@@ers, and there are black ni@@ers. If you act like a ni@@er, you are a ni@@er."

I'd love to know what his definition of "acting like one" is.

Maybe it is saying Yo in a bad attempt at anemic hip hop.

63 darthstar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:11:34pm

re: #56 Obdicut

The fourth estate is the press, Walter.

Clergy is the first estate.

Walter's making up a new term: "fourth estate of Christians"...

64 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:11:45pm

re: #56 Obdicut

The fourth estate is the press, Walter.

Clergy is the first estate.

I was creating my own hierarchy for the sake of that comment. Sorry to upset your intellectual sensitivities. (Yea... right).

65 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:12:37pm

re: #63 darthstar

Walter's making up a new term: "fourth estate of Christians"...

I was creating my own hierarchy for the sake of that comment. Sorry to upset your intellectual sensitivities. (Yea... right). Like always, misses the total intent of the comment. So predictable.

66 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:12:58pm

Work...

67 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:13:11pm

re: #50 Walter L. Newton

For some fundamentalist Christians, this is doing churchy stuff. I suspect that you're over all knowledge of American Christianity is very narrow.


Certainly not so broad as to encompass making YouTube videos about the N-word or otherwise generally trying to antagonize various minorities. I mean, that wouldn't cross my mind - "OK folks, remember the Nielsen wedding will be held at services next week; on Wednesday is the bake sale, and we're still looking for soup kitchen volunteers for Thursday. Also, after communion today, we'll be filming a video acting out the Protocols of the Elders of Zion to put on the Internet so that everybody knows where we stand on that issue. Then we're going to burn a mock Buddhist Monk in effigy on the back lawn, so bring your marshmallows!" This seems normal to you?

68 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:14:07pm

re: #56 Obdicut

The fourth estate is the press, Walter.

Clergy is the first estate.

Walter is adding the 4th to the traditional other three in Christianity
as in
[Link: books.google.com...]

69 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:14:49pm

re: #16 squiems

no denying this guy is an islamophobic prick, but the "take home message" of this video is that racism is wrong, the "n word" is a demeaning word that shouldn't be used by anyone (black or white), and that all double standards (especially treating people different based on the color of their skin) are wrong and contrary to christianity. The video lacks any kind of subtlety, but it isn't racist.

In another thread, you're defending the English Defense League. What's up with this?

70 elizajane  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:14:58pm

re: #44 Cato the Elder

The message from slow-witted green-screen guy ("racism is wrong") would be acceptable were it not for it being completely undercut by the intro, including a bunch of grinning white freaks obviously getting stiffies or wet-ons at the opportunity to say the n-word on camera.

Oh, and Terry, at the beginning. "There are white ni@@ers, and there are black ni@@ers. If you act like a ni@@er, you are a ni@@er."

I'd love to know what his definition of "acting like one" is.

Means if you act white, you ain't a n****r, and we'll like you. As long as you don't go bein' President of these here United States. No n****r can act white enough for that.

71 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:15:25pm

re: #69 Charles

In another thread, you're defending the English Defense League. What's up with this?

Means he's out there where the buses don't run!!

72 darthstar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:15:32pm

re: #65 Walter L. Newton

I was creating my own hierarchy for the sake of that comment. Sorry to upset your intellectual sensitivities. (Yea... right). Like always, misses the total intent of the comment. So predictable.

Oh, it was most creative...refrigerator door worthy.

73 allegro  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:15:33pm

re: #57 elbruce

That is so fucking hilarious. Thanks so much for finding it!

74 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:16:13pm

re: #64 Walter L. Newton

I was creating my own hierarchy for the sake of that comment. Sorry to upset your intellectual sensitivities. (Yea... right).

You didn't upset me. It just doesn't make any sense to call them a fourth estate. They'd just be a fourth group. The 'estates' weren't different intensities of the same thing, they were very different groups, with different legal structures, etc. There's no analogy there.

It was also confusing that you appear to have misunderstood what Ebruce was saying. He was actually drawing a distinction, as you attempted to do, between the activities of the Westborough people and more normal religious types. So you castigated him for something he didn't do, and then, amusingly, corrected him by saying what he'd said.

75 Yashmak  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:16:39pm

re: #10 Thanos

Dove World Outreach also affiliated with Geller and Spencer. They are the ones that wear "Islam is of the Devil" tee shirts, and Spencer/Geller were proud of the association up to the point of them changing pastors and demonstrating shoulder to shoulder with Westboro baptist ... at that point they became even too toxic for Spencer / Geller esp. since they were demonstrating at some synagogues in FL.

Wait. . .my eyes see the words, but my brain is having trouble incorporating them. . .something is too toxic for Spencer/Geller?

76 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:17:02pm

O_o
...
!

77 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:18:00pm

re: #72 darthstar

Oh, it was most creative...refrigerator door worthy.

Hanging right next to your picture.

78 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:19:09pm

re: #74 Obdicut

The link I provided mentions the "third estate". Is that wrong also? Should it have been "third group"? And if so, should you amend your Clergy is the first estate to Clergy is the 1st group???

79 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:20:33pm

re: #74 Obdicut

re: #78 sattv4u2

The link I provided mentions the "third estate". Is that wrong also? Should it have been "third group"? And if so, should you amend your Clergy is the first estate to Clergy is the 1st group???

((btw ,, that link is to The Encyclopedia Of Christianity"))

80 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:20:41pm

re: #16 squiems

You've posted two comments so far, and both of them are defending racists. Or am I missing some context?

81 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:21:48pm

re: #78 sattv4u2

You're just misreading it. They're talking about the third estate in the third world. It's not three divisions of Christianity in the way that Walter talked about.

82 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:21:48pm

re: #77 Walter L. Newton

Hanging right next to your picture.

Helps cut down on your late night snacks, huh?

83 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:23:17pm

re: #81 Obdicut

You're just misreading it. They're talking about the third estate in the third world. It's not three divisions of Christianity in the way that Walter talked about.

And you're misreading Walter (no surprise there, btw)

So if there IS a 1st (as you stated) and 3rd) as the link shows) estates, Walter was in his right to "form" a 4th estate for these ,,, (for lack of a better word,,) "pastors" and their followeres

84 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:23:44pm

re: #16 squiems

Bueller...Bueller...Bueller...

85 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:23:44pm

re: #83 sattv4u2

No, you just don't understand what the three estates refer to.

86 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:24:34pm

re: #85 Obdicut

No, you just don't understand what the three estates refer to.

do go on

((actually ,, please do NOT!!)))

87 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:24:46pm

re: #83 sattv4u2

And you're misreading Walter (no surprise there, btw)

So if there IS a 1st (as you stated) and 3rd) as the link shows) estates, Walter was in his right to "form" a 4th estate for these ,,, (for lack of a better word,,) "pastors" and their followeres

Uhh Satt... It's a French Revolution reference...

88 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:24:59pm

Unbelievable. Just unfrigginbelievable.

89 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:25:16pm

re: #85 Obdicut

No, you just don't understand what the three estates refer to.

Ancien Regime. Walter didn't seem to be using that as a pattern.

90 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:25:24pm

re: #87 LudwigVanQuixote

Uhh Satt... It's a French Revolution reference...

Yes, and it's left at that (three)

Walter needed to "add" to that for these cretins

91 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:25:40pm

re: #74 Obdicut

You didn't upset me. It just doesn't make any sense to call them a fourth estate. They'd just be a fourth group. The 'estates' weren't different intensities of the same thing, they were very different groups, with different legal structures, etc. There's no analogy there.

It was also confusing that you appear to have misunderstood what Ebruce was saying. He was actually drawing a distinction, as you attempted to do, between the activities of the Westborough people and more normal religious types. So you castigated him for something he didn't do, and then, amusingly, corrected him by saying what he'd said.

Well he was concerned you know.

92 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:26:50pm

re: #18 EmmmieG

Semi-private note: The shooter in Visalia turned out to be a psychotic former member of the church.

I feel terrible for the congregation. All the best.

93 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:27:00pm

re: #86 sattv4u2

There's nothing to really go on about.

The 'third estate', as referred to in the text you referenced, is what it always is-- non-clergy, non-aristocrats.

This comes from pre-Revolution France, where these were actual, legal distinctions. Not differences in scalar intensity or behavior.

For a very in-depth look on how the Estates functioned (or failed to function), I recommend the excellent book Citizens.

94 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:27:38pm

re: #84 Aceofwhat?

5-3 ,, Groth serving for the 1st set

95 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:28:24pm

Today's hate crime fail.....
Man Charged With Hate Crime For Allegedly Punching Turban-Wearing Store Clerk


Police say Brock Stainbrook walked into the 7-11 just after midnight Aug. 24, approached a clerk wearing a turban, threw change on the floor and then punched the clerk in the side of the head.

"You're not even American, you're Al-Qaeda. Go back to your country," he then said, according to police.
....
According to a police affidavit, Stainbrook admitted "that he struck a person on his turban because he was a prick."

The Post-Intelligencer notes that the victim's last name "is common within the Sikh community." (Sikhs are, notably, not Muslim.)

96 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:28:44pm

re: #94 sattv4u2

5-3 ,, Groth serving for the 1st set

oh, don't worry. i'm watching!

i've watched Groth once before, but she's killing it tonight.

97 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:29:41pm

re: #96 Aceofwhat?

oh, don't worry. i'm watching!

i've watched Groth once before, but she's killing it tonight.

K ,, sorry , didn't know,, just thought I could keep you ,, umm,, abreast of the ,, umm,,score!!!

98 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:30:17pm

re: #97 sattv4u2

K ,, sorry , didn't know,, just thought I could keep you ,, umm,, abreast of the ,, umm,,score!!!

+1 for noble intentions...

99 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:30:25pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout

More alcohol-fueled racism, sounds like.

100 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:30:34pm

re: #97 sattv4u2

K ,, sorry , didn't know,, just thought I could keep you ,, umm,, abreast of the ,, umm,,score!!!

Are you typing with your forehead?

101 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:31:04pm

SUCCESS:

At age 4 success is . . . . Not piddling in your pants.
At age 12 success is . . . Having friends.
At age 17 success is . . Having a driver's license.
At age 35 success is . . . ..having money.
At age 50 success is . . . Having money..
At age 70 success is . .. . Having a drivers license.
At age 75 success is . ... . Having friends.
At age 80 success is . . .. Not piddling in your pants.

I'm north of 50, south of 70

{sigh}

102 Digital Display  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:31:11pm

re: #96 Aceofwhat?

oh, don't worry. i'm watching!

i've watched Groth once before, but she's killing it tonight.

No Tennis for me..

103 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:31:39pm

re: #102 HoosierHoops

No Tennis for me..

but they're cute...

104 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:31:50pm

The fascists who pretend to disclaim Hitler are perhaps just embarrassed to acknowledge that he was a big fan of Islam:

Only in the Roman Empire and in Spain under Arab domination has culture been a potent factor. Under the Arab, the standard attained was wholly admirable; to Spain flocked the greatest scientists, thinkers, astronomers, and mathematicians of the world, and side by side there flourished a spirit of sweet human tolerance and a sense of purist chivalry. Then with the advent of Christianity, came the barbarians. Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers—already you see the world had already fallen into the hands of the Jews, so gutless a thing Christianity!—then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world. Christianity alone prevented them from doing so.
(28 August 1942)

105 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:31:55pm

re: #100 elbruce

Are you typing with your forehead?

typing? TYPING??!?!?

I just speak and the words appear!

106 Digital Display  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:32:55pm

re: #103 Aceofwhat?

but they're cute...

Have you seen Woman's Golfers?

107 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:32:57pm

Why so much whining from my fellow white people about not being able to say the N-word without being judged poorly because of it?

108 Yashmak  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:33:10pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout

I recall that immediately in the wake of 9/11, a local convenience store run by Sikhs in my city put up a sign in their window that said "We are Sikhs. We do not ride camels, but we sell them."

That sign was at the same time, funny and sad.

109 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:33:27pm

re: #104 Cato the Elder

Where is that sourced from, Cato?

I'm not familiar with that quote from Hitler, and I thought I knew most of the significant ones.

110 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:33:51pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout

Today's hate crime fail...
Man Charged With Hate Crime For Allegedly Punching Turban-Wearing Store Clerk

Sikhs are also notable for strong attachment to wearing ceremonial daggers. Perhaps yon bigot should brush up on his ethnology.

111 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:33:58pm

re: #104 Cato the Elder

The fascists who pretend to disclaim Hitler are perhaps just embarrassed to acknowledge that he was a big fan of Islam:

//Genocidal dictators say the darndest things!

112 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:34:44pm

re: #106 HoosierHoops

Have you seen Woman's Golfers?

Is Michelle Wie old enough to be complimented yet?

113 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:36:09pm

re: #108 Yashmak

I recall that immediately in the wake of 9/11, a local convenience store run by Sikhs in my city put up a sign in their window that said "We are Sikhs. We do not ride camels, but we sell them."

That sign was at the same time, funny and sad.

Lol

114 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:36:27pm

re: #109 Obdicut

Where is that sourced from, Cato?

I'm not familiar with that quote from Hitler, and I thought I knew most of the significant ones.

"Hitler's Table Talk", a series of informal, private conversations among Hitler and his closest associates, as recorded by Martin Bormann.

115 Winny Spencer  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:37:49pm

re: #101 sattv4u2

As a wise man might have once said: "after twenty-five, everyone is the same age".

116 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:38:12pm

re: #16 squiems

Cat got your tongue?

117 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:38:24pm

re: #1 elizajane

It's not fair! There is no single, pithy, historically loaded hate word for "ignorant, bigoted, f*ck-witted religious nut-job."

Anymore, Republicans and teabaggers are a pretty good fit. It's a broad brush, but it's mostly accurate. Maybe not historically accurate, but currently accurate. They share those views as a party platform, whether they admit it or not.

118 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:38:53pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout

Today's hate crime fail...
Man Charged With Hate Crime For Allegedly Punching Turban-Wearing Store Clerk

I think we all know that a great deal of this is good old-fashioned ethnocentrism.

119 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:39:14pm

re: #114 Cato the Elder

"Hitler's Table Talk", a series of informal, private conversations among Hitler and his closest associates, as recorded by Martin Bormann.

Ah, thanks. Which is the reliable translation of that? I know there's been some controversy. I didn't think it was settled.

120 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:41:22pm

re: #110 Decatur Deb

Sikhs are also notable for strong attachment to wearing ceremonial daggers. Perhaps yon bigot should brush up on his ethnology.

Sikh kirpan symbolism. It's not likely it would be used as a weapon except in extremis. That doesn't mean "on an extremist".

121 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:43:25pm

I should once again let people know a little about the future.

You should all be sad to know that in the year 2347, the last So-Con Republican dies of natural causes in his enclosure at the New Capital zoo.

Buck, as he was affectionately named by his keepers, lived a comfortable life with all the beer he could drink and robotic brown people he could routinely abuse. His long tearful rant of how he wasn't racist, it was all those ni@@er's fault that America went to hell, was a source of amusement for many children who routinely laughed at his impotent threat displays. No one ever had the heart to tell him that America had collapsed in the eco-disasters of the 2100's, and was replaced by the protectorate, after the reunification with the Barony of Iowa.

Originally, Buck was part of a tribal group that shared the enclosure. They called their village White Valley Farms. Provided that they had continual television entertainment, which was suitably frightening, it was found that none of the original so-con tribe was ever curious enough to leave the enclosure.

However, insufficient genetic diversity in the original specimen population made future attempts at breeding impossible. Buck jr, alas died from complications of having two heads. This was a blow to science, since it was ironically discovered that the missing link between homo-sapiens and previous hominids had never actually died out, only migrated to North Carolina and parts of Tennessee, and as an anthropological resource was ultimately lost.

Some speculate that the So Con tribe's resistance to evolutionary theory was actually based in a cunning awareness as to exactly where they fell on the Human family tree.

But back to Buck. He was beloved of school children, who found his belching funny and his occasional forays into mathematics particularly entertaining. The robotic brown "people" he beat had no emotions to be damaged, and the world lost a valuable resource in teaching people how not to devolve.

122 Digital Display  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:44:56pm

re: #112 Aceofwhat?

Is Michelle Wie old enough to be complimented yet?

She is 20..Nice gal..I wish her luck on the Tour...
She was so rushed to be a star by her folks at 14...Sad story really..Being on 60 minutes by 16 yrs. old.. What kid could do that?

123 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:45:12pm

re: #119 Obdicut

Ah, thanks. Which is the reliable translation of that? I know there's been some controversy. I didn't think it was settled.

I don't know, but I can look into it.

I sourced that quote from both a Jewish and an Islamic website. The Islamic one had the better translation.

And, to their credit, the Muslims there are not claiming any joy at being loved by Hitler. One says, "Let's not forget though, that even though he seemed to have seen us as better than the 'weak' Christian Europeans and almost as favourable allies, surely had he been successful in expanding past Eastern Europe and his teachings became apparent he would have not found an ally in us, but rather an army of believers ready to crush him and his racist devilish beliefs."

124 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:45:28pm

re: #83 sattv4u2

And you're misreading Walter (no surprise there, btw)

So if there IS a 1st (as you stated) and 3rd) as the link shows) estates, Walter was in his right to "form" a 4th estate for these ,,, (for lack of a better word,,) "pastors" and their followeres

There's already a fourth estate. And the clergy are already the first.

If batshit Christians want to identify as the fifth, I suppose no one is stopping them, but this is getting confusing.

125 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:46:11pm

re: #121 LudwigVanQuixote

Using Buck's name is uncool.

I don't know if you saw a recent post from him, but his father is critically ill and expected to die soon.

So, now is probably not a good time to put Buck and die in the same post.

126 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:46:24pm

re: #124 SanFranciscoZionist

There's already a fourth estate. And the clergy are already the first.

If batshit Christians want to identify as the fifth, I suppose no one is stopping them, but this is getting confusing.

Fifth column is likely more accurate.

127 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:46:26pm

re: #80 Charles

You've posted two comments so far, and both of them are defending racists. Or am I missing some context?

Ruh-roh...

128 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:47:06pm

re: #107 JasonA

Why so much whining from my fellow white people about not being able to say the N-word without being judged poorly because of it?

Not sure. But there do seem to be a LOT of people who really, really, want to use it.

129 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:47:32pm

re: #123 Cato the Elder

Oh, I'm not doubting that quote. I know Hitler privately was anti-Christian-- it makes sense, since Christ is about, you know, love and forgiveness and shit that Hitler hated. I was just surprised I hadn't heard it, but I haven't read that book because, like I said, I didn't know there was an agreed-upon version.

Do get back to me and let me know, I'd love to read it.

130 McSpiff  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:48:01pm

re: #121 LudwigVanQuixote

Mocking posters not even here. This has become a nasty habit of yours.

131 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:48:05pm

re: #125 Obdicut

Using Buck's name is uncool.

I don't know if you saw a recent post from him, but his father is critically ill and expected to die soon.

So, now is probably not a good time to put Buck and die in the same post.

OMG! I didn't think of that! I am so sorry. I had absolutely no thought in my mind about "our" Buck. I swear that is the case. I just pulled the name out of thin air.

My apologies for an insult that was never intended or even contemplated.

132 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:49:01pm

re: #130 McSpiff

Mocking posters not even here. This has become a nasty habit of yours.

Great of you to jump to that conclusion. I had not even thought of "our" Buck. Change the name to Skeeter or Billy Ray then.

133 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:49:43pm

Hey Ludwig, I know you're trying to calm the rage, but:

Texas Oil Companies Fund Ballot Measure to Block CA Clean Energy Law

134 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:50:02pm

re: #131 LudwigVanQuixote

Glad to hear it.

135 darthstar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:50:16pm

re: #132 LudwigVanQuixote

You leave my Aunt Billy Ray Skeeter out of this.
//

136 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:50:34pm

re: #124 SanFranciscoZionist

this is getting confusing.

DRINK!
/

137 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:51:03pm

re: #133 Obdicut

Hey Ludwig, I know you're trying to calm the rage, but:

Texas Oil Companies Fund Ballot Measure to Block CA Clean Energy Law

You really do want to see if my head will just explode. Admit it.

OK, these are the scumbags who should be tried for criminally negligent genocide.

138 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:51:31pm

re: #124 SanFranciscoZionist

There's already a fourth estate. And the clergy are already the first.

If batshit Christians want to identify as the fifth, I suppose no one is stopping them, but this is getting confusing.

'tis indeed.
I just gave up trying to follow that particular conversation . . .

139 deranged cat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:52:21pm

Golfer's swing snags rock, sparks fire in S. Calif

Imagine my surprise when I saw this comment:

Proud Aryan 12 minutes ago

This will keep happening now that Bar'aq al HUSSEIN Obummer keeps sending jobs to COMMUNIST CHINA to produce dangerous goods. I'm so sick and tired of this MUSLIM pResident not taking any action and ruining our reputation by cowtowing to these TERRORISTS in PAKISTAN. I just wish they would IMPEACH him over not taking care of this oil spill because he is in bed with BP. Maybe if we talk to our congressmen they will find a way to show his real BIRTH CERTIFICATE from indonesia. We need to have this tea party movement grow so that we can go back to the principles of our founding fathers. Allow slavery and segregation in certain states so that we can keep the minorities in line so they don't cause too much trouble because it worked in the past. TEA PARTY '12!

140 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:53:00pm

re: #137 LudwigVanQuixote

I made a page for it.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

141 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:53:08pm

re: #130 McSpiff

Mocking posters not even here. This has become a nasty habit of yours.

No worries, I can always mock you. Did I mention that your father was a hamster and your mother smelt of elderberries?

142 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:55:04pm

re: #141 LudwigVanQuixote

No worries, I can always mock you. Did I mention that your father was a hamster and your mother smelt of elderberries?

i want a shrubbery.

143 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:55:14pm

re: #133 Obdicut

You could always count on oil companies being the leaders in environmental protection, and Texas, as a state (intelligent citizens not included), fighting the good fight where science and progress is concerned. What a disappointment. A shocker, really.
//

144 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:56:02pm

re: #135 darthstar

You leave my Aunt Billy Ray Skeeter out of this.
//

My wife's family has family deep in the Kentucky countryside. One strange naming convention is to give children initials only as a name. She had an uncle "R.P." That wasn't short for anything. When he went to the Army, he was recorded as "R(only) P(only" Stevens. It took about three bureaucratic seconds for him to become "Ronly Ponly".

145 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:56:04pm

re: #140 Obdicut

I made a page for it.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

Updinged. Good post.

I am preparing one on the Heritage Foundation, their defense of slave and child labor in foreign countries by American corporations, their stances against education and of course, AGW, and their absolute disregard for human life and dignity.

It is time we gave those fuckers some special love.

Here is a little preview of some goodies about them.

146 Digital Display  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:56:39pm

re: #141 LudwigVanQuixote

No worries, I can always mock you. Did I mention that your father was a hamster and your mother smelt of elderberries?

Did you see that Phil now has his own Show about Science? It is really awesome..Very well done..Phil Rocks!
[Link: blogs.discovermagazine.com...]

147 deranged cat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:56:44pm

re: #144 Decatur Deb

My wife's family has family deep in the Kentucky countryside. One strange naming convention is to give children initials only as a name. She had an uncle "R.P." That wasn't short for anything. When he went to the Army, he was recorded as "R(only) P(only" Stevens. It took about three bureaucratic seconds for him to become "Ronly Ponly".

hahahahahahahaha

148 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:57:52pm

re: #95 Killgore Trout

Today's hate crime fail...
Man Charged With Hate Crime For Allegedly Punching Turban-Wearing Store Clerk

What a fucking moronic loser...couldn't even get his random hate-on right.

And these are the type of people Pamz and the Angry Dwarf are wanting to import from Old Blighty to buttress the bigoted and xenophoblic remains of American "conservatism" (of which they have helped to destroy).

/getthefuckouttahere...

149 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:57:55pm

re: #142 Aceofwhat?

i want a shrubbery.

I have no shrubbery

Would you settle for a parrot??

150 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:58:09pm

re: #144 Decatur Deb

My wife's family has family deep in the Kentucky countryside. One strange naming convention is to give children initials only as a name. She had an uncle "R.P." That wasn't short for anything. When he went to the Army, he was recorded as "R(only) P(only" Stevens. It took about three bureaucratic seconds for him to become "Ronly Ponly".

heh.
Same thing happened to my father-in-law.
His birth cert shows him as J.W.
When he joined the service, he had to have a "real name". So he chose "John William", and became John forever after.

151 Daniel Ballard  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:59:04pm

re: #25 reine.de.tout

The only answer is to shun the haters. Literally shun and shame them out of visibility.

152 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:59:25pm

re: #104 Cato the Elder

The fascists who pretend to disclaim Hitler are perhaps just embarrassed to acknowledge that he was a big fan of Islam:

Unsurprisingly, Hitler got it completely wrong. Islam is anything but nationalist or monocultural, which is what he's clearly praising them for.

153 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 3:59:42pm

re: #146 HoosierHoops

Did you see that Phil now has his own Show about Science? It is really awesome..Very well done..Phil Rocks!
[Link: blogs.discovermagazine.com...]

Great link! From that, I found this...

I think I shall have to buy it for my niece.

154 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:01:05pm

re: #151 Rightwingconspirator

The only answer is to shun the haters. Literally shun and shame them out of visibility.

You know, I keep thinking I don't know anybody like that, where the hell are they?
But the reason I don't know anyone like that, I guess, is that I avoid contact with folks like that, when I come across them. I just don't want anything to do with 'em.

155 deranged cat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:02:07pm

re: #154 reine.de.tout

i agree. who are these people? same thing goes for comment trolls (i know, i keep talking about it, but seriously. wtf)

156 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:03:36pm

re: #149 sattv4u2

a classic...good call

157 Digital Display  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:04:12pm

re: #153 LudwigVanQuixote

Great link! From that, I found this...


[Video]I think I shall have to buy it for my niece.

I have been a Bad astronomy reader for a long time..Long before I found LGF..
Charles has linked to Phil's site many times...And for good reasons

158 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:04:16pm

Dove World Outreach?
Their motto must be " You're Soaking In It "./

159 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:04:21pm

re: #139 deranged cat

Golfer's swing snags rock, sparks fire in S. Calif

Imagine my surprise when I saw this comment:

Wow...that was just one jumbled mess of Birther/wingnut talking points in that quoted comment.

Yeeessshh...

160 Alecto  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:05:39pm

The argument a lot of black entertainers use the word is laughable. There are, in my experience, two reasons people use the N word.

1. Bigotry - they use it either straight out as a bigoted remark, or as veiled bigotry. Dr Laura was a prime example of this. She not only whipped out the N word multiple times, but then told the caller that she needed to "get over" the racial slurs thrown at her.

2. Developing a false sense of camaraderie - People use the N word to try to show that they are just like them and they "feel their pain" (tm Bill Clinton) but truthfully, you can't just will your way into being a part of another culture or race.

161 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:06:18pm

I would give my right arm if I could find this Pi Necklace for my math-geek daughter.

But it seems it's sold only in stores in Japan. If any of you come across a site where this is being sold, would you send me an e-mail?

162 wrenchwench  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:06:35pm

re: #150 reine.de.tout

heh.
Same thing happened to my father-in-law.
His birth cert shows him as J.W.
When he joined the service, he had to have a "real name". So he chose "John William", and became John forever after.

When my brother registered for the draft, he wanted to completely drop his middle name, no initial or anything. He ended up with three initials, "NMN" for "No Middle Name".

163 Alecto  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:08:04pm

re: #144 Decatur Deb

My wife's family has family deep in the Kentucky countryside. One strange naming convention is to give children initials only as a name. She had an uncle "R.P." That wasn't short for anything. When he went to the Army, he was recorded as "R(only) P(only" Stevens. It took about three bureaucratic seconds for him to become "Ronly Ponly".

My grandfather has no middle name, so he was listed as "NMN" on his military papers. Somehow, that morphed into Newman. So according to the Army, that's his middle name.

164 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:09:05pm

re: #162 wrenchwench

When my brother registered for the draft, he wanted to completely drop his middle name, no initial or anything. He ended up with three initials, "NMN" for "No Middle Name".

ROFL!
The military bureaucracy . . . it just amazes me.
I came across my Dad's military records, after he died.
They tested him for everything under the sun, it seems.
He had like zero mechanical ability.
I found that particularly interesting, because my entire life, my Dad never worked with a piece of machinery (even something as simple as a door lock) - he fought with it. It was an amazing thing to watch him try to unlock a door, or mow a lawn . . .

165 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:09:15pm

re: #160 Alecto

The argument a lot of black entertainers use the word is laughable. There are, in my experience, two reasons people use the N word.

1. Bigotry - they use it either straight out as a bigoted remark, or as veiled bigotry. Dr Laura was a prime example of this. She not only whipped out the N word multiple times, but then told the caller that she needed to "get over" the racial slurs thrown at her.

2. Developing a false sense of camaraderie - People use the N word to try to show that they are just like them and they "feel their pain" (tm Bill Clinton) but truthfully, you can't just will your way into being a part of another culture or race.

///If people weren't offended when I hurled racial insults at them, what a wonderful world it would be!

166 squiems  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:09:55pm

re: #80 Charles

You know, it's pretty ridiculous to say that I've been "defending racists" in either of my posts. I never "defended" the EDL; just pointed out that several (very liberal) English friends who have seen them first hand (and, like me, don't support them, at all, whatsoever) tell me that your whole "every member of the EDL is a violent white-supremacist BNF nazi" meme is simply way off base. Some are in fact peacefully protesting islamic extremists who are far more widespread in Britain than here. And I don't understand how you're perfectly willing to disregard biased media portrayals of say, the Gaza Flotilla Raid, but then stand by the same sources in their in their EDL exposes. You know as well as I do that in both cases they are just building off the narrative they already constructed. The EDL is on the whole a negative organization, and I don't support them at all. But (again from what I've heard from several people I trust) they've been completely mischaracterized by the media and on the internet.

In the same way, I'm not defending this jerk here. I realize he's a major islamophobe and is being very offensive to make his point. But I completely reject the idea that the use of any word is enough to immediately make somebody a racist, especially when their message completely focuses on how wrong racism is.

I'm just as anti-bigotry as anybody else here, but to think that I'm going to drop all objectivity when considering claims of racism is just foolish.

167 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:10:04pm

re: #161 reine.de.tout

I would give my right arm if I could find this Pi Necklace for my math-geek daughter.

But it seems it's sold only in stores in Japan. If any of you come across a site where this is being sold, would you send me an e-mail?

Not on "Think Geek", but they have a shower curtain with 4600 places.

168 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:10:22pm

re: #156 Aceofwhat?

a classic...good call


Thanks
This however is min my top 5 also!!

169 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:11:17pm

re: #154 reine.de.tout

You know, I keep thinking I don't know anybody like that, where the hell are they?
But the reason I don't know anyone like that, I guess, is that I avoid contact with folks like that, when I come across them. I just don't want anything to do with 'em.

Easier to avoid cooties too!
*waves*

170 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:11:27pm

re: #167 Decatur Deb

Not on "Think Geek", but they have a shower curtain with 4600 places.

I found it!
Wow.

171 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:11:31pm

re: #166 squiems

The EDL is on the whole a negative organization, and I don't support them at all. But (again from what I've heard from several people I trust) they've been completely mischaracterized by the media and on the internet.

Have you ever heard of logic?

172 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:12:33pm

re: #160 Alecto

While I completely agree with you, I still think it is wrong for anyone, regardless of the color of their skin to EVER use the N word. It is a word that should be stricken from our language and erased from our collective memories. I don't care who you are, the word should never be spoken, written or otherwise passed on in any form.

The people who made this video ARE NOT Christians in the true sense of the word. Please remember, they DO NOT speak for the countless Christians out there who are good people and only wish to worship in peace and leave the planet a better place than they found it.

173 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:12:47pm

re: #170 reine.de.tout

I found it!
Wow.

They've got one with the periodic table of elements, too.

174 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:12:51pm

re: #164 reine.de.tout

ROFL!
The military bureaucracy . . . it just amazes me.
I came across my Dad's military records, after he died.
They tested him for everything under the sun, it seems.
He had like zero mechanical ability.
I found that particularly interesting, because my entire life, my Dad never worked with a piece of machinery (even something as simple as a door lock) - he fought with it. It was an amazing thing to watch him try to unlock a door, or mow a lawn . . .

I remember MEPS... They take blood with needles the diameter of small egg rolls.

My eyes must have widened a little at the sharpened piece of pipe they were going to stick into me. The nurse, or corpswoman, not sure of her title winked at me and said, don't worry, this is going to hurt a lot more than it looks like it will...

HEHE

The various batteries of testing are fascinating.

175 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:14:37pm

re: #168 sattv4u2

antelope!!

176 Ghazicide  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:14:50pm

I'm sorry, ya'll lost me at 'there's white n**** and black n****'s.....'

Then the ignorant 'black comedians say it every third or 4th word and people laugh, and they get paid, but we can't say it... double standard!'

That's because their funny, and comedians. You are neither. It's a double standard: deal with it.

177 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:15:23pm

Stalker reaction to the Flight 93 marker:

If the Park Service builds this abomination I pray somebody burns it and any Park Service assholes in it to the god damned ground. And that is my honest to god first amendment guaranteed personal opinion.

Fucking unhinged. Rein it in, man.

178 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:15:32pm

re: #166 squiems

You know, it's pretty ridiculous to say that I've been "defending racists" in either of my posts. I never "defended" the EDL; just pointed out that several (very liberal) English friends who have seen them first hand (and, like me, don't support them, at all, whatsoever) tell me that your whole "every member of the EDL is a violent white-supremacist BNF nazi" meme is simply way off base. Some are in fact peacefully protesting islamic extremists who are far more widespread in Britain than here. And I don't understand how you're perfectly willing to disregard biased media portrayals of say, the Gaza Flotilla Raid, but then stand by the same sources in their in their EDL exposes. You know as well as I do that in both cases they are just building off the narrative they already constructed. The EDL is on the whole a negative organization, and I don't support them at all. But (again from what I've heard from several people I trust) they've been completely mischaracterized by the media and on the internet.

In the same way, I'm not defending this jerk here. I realize he's a major islamophobe and is being very offensive to make his point. But I completely reject the idea that the use of any word is enough to immediately make somebody a racist, especially when their message completely focuses on how wrong racism is.

I'm just as anti-bigotry as anybody else here, but to think that I'm going to drop all objectivity when considering claims of racism is just foolish.

The EDL is on the whole a negative organization, and I don't support them at all. But (again from what I've heard from several people I trust) they've been completely mischaracterized by the media and on the internet.

If you honestly believe they've been "completely" mischaracterized" then how are you so sure that they're on the whole a negative organization?

Covering all the bases much?

179 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:15:51pm

re: #176 BigPapa

I'm sorry, ya'll lost me at 'there's white n*** and black n***'s...'

Then the ignorant 'black comedians say it every third or 4th word and people laugh, and they get paid, but we can't say it... double standard!'

That's because their funny, and comedians. You are neither. It's a double standard: deal with it.

Well and because when black people use it, it has a totally different connotation than the way it sounds coming from a southern bit of white trash.

180 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:16:10pm

re: #121 LudwigVanQuixote
Walk slowly and calmly to the pantry, retrieve a paper bag, cup it around your mouth, and breathe in..... out.... in... out.
The episode will pass.

181 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:16:19pm

re: #170 reine.de.tout

I found it!
Wow.

Good. Now you don't have to remember to email me in January!

182 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:16:21pm

re: #166 squiems

Basically, some of these thugs are pretty sweet. And like puppies. The fact they hang out with more thuggish thugs makes no never mind, since they aren't the real badass thugs, themselves.

Sort of like, teabaggers aren't such a bad lot, it's just the hard core ones that give the movement a bad name. The ones who tolerate the bad ones aren't so bad, just tolerant, or oblivious.

Or, the GOPs that attend the far right shindigs don't really buy all that end times socon caveman horseshit, they're just being politicians, and it's rude to decline an invitation. And they're catered. And they use linen napkins.

I see where you're coming from.

183 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:16:31pm

re: #179 LudwigVanQuixote

Well and because when black people use it, it has a totally different connotation than the way it sounds coming from a southern bit of white trash.

Or, any bit of white trash from anywhere.

184 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:16:39pm

There is no good reason for folks to use the N word under the pretext of discussing it's use or whether it is a racist term. I say this because they can discuss it to their hearts' content without saying the word in full. Therefore, anyone who utters the full word is presumptively doing so with racist intent.

185 blueraven  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:17:26pm

re: #60 LudwigVanQuixote

I took a little sanity break because I was getting too angry at the unbearable stupidity out there. Then we have to see this.

Charles you are absolutely right for posting this. People need to see just how deluded and slobbering these white trash gimps are.

KT, as always, I am amazed by your abilities to find important links.

We should not be surprised that white trash who wants to have Burn a Koran Day, also sees no problem with spouting the N word with pride and then going on about hints of white people being put upon by blacks for jobs and housing (as if!), all while claiming to not be racist.

Yet, this is not good for my sanity.

These are pure and simple neo-nazi scum wrapped in the language of Jesus.

I am just listening to them - with the accent, and the trailer trash guy talking about pants on the ground, and I realize just how sick and ass backwards so much of America is.

I am getting sick to death of this.

I don't blame you for being angry LVQ. I don't know that it is stupidity so much as it is willful ignorance. I mean, I know a lot of people that are not particularly bright, or that don't have much formal education. They may not read a lot of books. But they know right from wrong. They have gut instincts about people and their character.

On the other hand I have some very highly educated friends that are as blinds as they can be, and haven't a clue about the world around them in any common sense, practical kind of way.
I think it is more about compassion and a sense of right and wrong than education. (Although, I am all for education as top priority!)

186 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:17:26pm

re: #164 reine.de.tout

ROFL!
The military bureaucracy . . . it just amazes me.
I came across my Dad's military records, after he died.
They tested him for everything under the sun, it seems.
He had like zero mechanical ability.
I found that particularly interesting, because my entire life, my Dad never worked with a piece of machinery (even something as simple as a door lock) - he fought with it. It was an amazing thing to watch him try to unlock a door, or mow a lawn . . .

As a draftee, I worked with a finance clerk who accidentally mailed a guy's pay records to Germany. He called a buddy in Personnel who put the troop on the next levy. That was '65--he might have saved the soldier's life. My entire history, and the lives of my four children, depend entirely on the fact that I stepped out of a 2 1/2 ton truck a second before it came to a halt.

187 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:17:36pm

re: #166 squiems

So you take obvious racists at their word when they say they're not racists? Skippy, all of them say that.

The entire middle portion of that video here is a veiled whinge about "them" taking away "our" jobs.

Are you today's avatar of the Magical Balance Fairy?

188 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:18:07pm

re: #179 LudwigVanQuixote

Well and because when black people use it, it has a totally different connotation than the way it sounds coming from a southern bit of white trash.

Thank God only "southern bit(s) of white trash" use the "N" word disparingly

At least people in the entire rest of the country don't!

189 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:18:46pm

re: #166 squiems

just pointed out that several (very liberal) English friends who have seen them first hand (and, like me, don't support them, at all, whatsoever) tell me that your whole "every member of the EDL is a violent white-supremacist BNF nazi" meme is simply way off base.

Good thing we never said that.

So not every EDL member is a BNF nazi. Good. Some clearly are. What percentage of EDLs who are racist jerks, in your astute opinion, is high enough for the whole movement to be relegated to a smelly trash bin?

190 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:18:46pm

Blazing Saddles has just started on my teevee.................

"now who can argue with that..........."

191 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:19:37pm

re: #179 LudwigVanQuixote

Well and because when black people use it, it has a totally different connotation than the way it sounds coming from a southern bit of white trash.

It sounds especially nasally and whiny from yankee white trash though, you betcha!

192 squiems  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:19:38pm

re: #48 elizajane

I disagree. No word is intrinsically evil or offensive. The contextual meaning is what's important. If a white person uses the "N word" in order to demean a black person, it's racist and offensive. If a white person uses the "N word" in jest, it's belittling the horrible legacy of racism in America, itself a racist act. If a white person uses the "N word" while explaining how they disagree with the very idea of racism but stating their opinion that if it's so offensive nobody should use it, they may be offensive, but they surely aren't being bigoted.

Secondly, I have no idea where you're getting anywhere in this video that this man believes racism only exists "in the minds of blacks". That wasn't even implied anywhere.

193 Amory Blaine  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:19:53pm

re: #187 Cato the Elder

194 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:20:28pm

re: #188 sattv4u2

Thank God only "southern bit(s) of white trash" use the "N" word disparingly

At least people in the entire rest of the country don't!

Jet Pilot I don't remember you commenting much, care to tell me why you found this worthy of updinging?

195 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:21:05pm

re: #188 sattv4u2

Thank God only "southern bit(s) of white trash" use the "N" word disparingly

At least people in the entire rest of the country don't!

yep. no bigots in Manhattan, right;)

196 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:21:15pm

re: #179 LudwigVanQuixote
In what part of the South exactly, was that doorway where Abner Louima encountered the broomstick?
South NY?
And Rodney King, beaten up in ...okay, it's Southern California, I suppose.
Your reasoning has Gone South.

197 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:21:27pm

re: #192 squiems

I disagree. No word is intrinsically evil or offensive. The contextual meaning is what's important.

CONTEXT IS FOR THE WEAK!

198 Digital Display  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:21:29pm

Hoping we get a Obama Thread when he speaks to the nation in 40 minutes..

199 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:21:29pm

re: #190 wozzablog

Blazing Saddles has just started on my teevee...

"now who can argue with that..."


i shall now read from the books of matthew, mark, luke and.....duck.......

200 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:21:55pm

re: #194 jamesfirecat

Jet Pilot I don't remember you commenting much, care to tell me why you found this worthy of updinging?

Ask AceofWhat

He comments a LOT and may be able to help you

201 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:21:57pm

re: #194 jamesfirecat

Jet Pilot I don't remember you commenting much, care to tell me why you found this worthy of updinging?

I thought the sarcasm waranted an upding. Obviously there are plenty of folks who use the N word disparingly all over the country not just the south.

202 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:22:00pm

re: #183 reine.de.tout

Or, any bit of white trash from anywhere.

Yeah, "white trash" and dumbass rednecks aren't isolated to the American South, they're worldwide!

;-P

203 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:22:13pm

re: #177 JasonA

Stalker reaction to the Flight 93 marker:

Fucking unhinged. Rein it in, man.

If you go looking over at that site you will go insane. They are nothing but utter scum. They discovered the word kapo a lot over there.

Truly sad from those Jewish posters they have who think that gassing all Muslims is OK. Just think about that for half a minute.

I honestly hope they are frothing their little brains out over my views about not letting inbred morons vote.

They are exactly the sorts of drooling, sociopathic, moronic enemies of all things American I was thinking of.

Honestly, the idea of forcing them to pass an algebra exam appeals to me. And yes it is elitist. But be ashamed of that. When you look at the stalkers, you see prime evidence that not all people are equal. In fact, the words scum and grotesque throwback apply.

Decent people have nothing in common with them.

It is painful enough to admit one shares a nation with such creatures.

204 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:22:26pm

re: #198 HoosierHoops

Are you wearing your 'tweet shield' for the inevitable meltdown to follow?

205 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:23:00pm

re: #195 Aceofwhat?

yep. no bigots in Manhattan, right;)

Not a one north of the Mason Dixon line and west of the Mississippi ,, nope ,, nada ,, zippo ,, zilch ,, zero!!

206 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:23:11pm

re: #176 BigPapa

I'm sorry, ya'll lost me at 'there's white n*** and black n***'s...'

Then the ignorant 'black comedians say it every third or 4th word and people laugh, and they get paid, but we can't say it... double standard!'

That's because their funny, and comedians. You are neither. It's a double standard: deal with it.

People who are black and funny have leeway that I do not.

I can live with this.

Seriously, yes, although there is a great range of what is acceptable and what is used in different situations, I understood from the age of about seven that black people could call each other "n*****" under some circumstances and have it be OK, and that I could not, never would be able to to, and that was fine.

I have spent ZIP amount of my life since then bitching and moaning about how cruel this simple fact of social decency is.

207 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:23:30pm

re: #196 tradewind

In what part of the South exactly, was that doorway where Abner Louima encountered the broomstick?
South NY?
And Rodney King, beaten up in ...okay, it's Southern California, I suppose.
Your reasoning has Gone South.

You know by "Southern Bit of White Trash" in his post he could be referring to the jackass in this video...

208 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:23:31pm

re: #201 Jetpilot1101

I thought the sarcasm waranted an upding. Obviously there are plenty of folks who use the N word disparingly all over the country not just the south.

shhhh!!!!

209 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:23:42pm

re: #166 squiems

We get it, you're not defending them, you are just minimizing the possibility that they might be racists when anyone who actually watched the EDL and Dove videos could clearly see that they are are indeed racists.

One thing is never enough to condemn a group, but when you see a confluence of things you know that EDL is racist, and has a large portion of skinhead nazis.
The clues are many. Red black and white themed flags and clothing (nazi colors). Constable and other neo nazi favored clothing lines. Chanting racial slurs and threats. Surreptitious Nazi salutes (They won't notice that I'm "Zieg Heiling" in Unison with my gang if I put both hands up....) etc. etc. etc.

210 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:23:44pm

re: #192 squiems

I disagree. No word is intrinsically evil or offensive. The contextual meaning is what's important. If a white person uses the "N word" in order to demean a black person, it's racist and offensive. If a white person uses the "N word" in jest, it's belittling the horrible legacy of racism in America, itself a racist act. If a white person uses the "N word" while explaining how they disagree with the very idea of racism but stating their opinion that if it's so offensive nobody should use it, they may be offensive, but they surely aren't being bigoted.

Exactly this.

The question is always implicitly put, "why are you saying this? Why do you want to? In this case, their only reason seems to be "because other people get to." Which is no answer at all, especially since those other people can answer that question. But if "they get to" is the only reason you can give, I've got to assume an ulterior motive somewhere: you want to say it just because you like saying it, and that's it.

211 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:23:51pm

Speaking of insane videos, I finally watched this one that was linked here a few days ago

What's interesting is that Glenn Beck took the already twisted "Tea Party" movement (which was supposed to be all about taxes!) and made it into something even more divisive.

212 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:23:53pm

re: #179 LudwigVanQuixote

Well and because when black people use it, it has a totally different connotation than the way it sounds coming from a southern bit of white trash.

I think you meant when any person gets all red-faced and drool angrily as they keep repeating it without any hint of humour or redeeming context, didn't you?

213 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:24:41pm

re: #191 Shiplord Kirel
It's historically a word so offensive that every child in the South who actually wore shoes during the week knew that to utter it would mean, depending on the parenting style, either being knocked across the room or sentenced to the Land of No Privileges for a long time.
It still makes me wince, even when used among people of color affectionately, which it routinely is, here.

214 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:25:05pm

re: #4 Amory Blaine

Give me suggestions and I'll put anything you want on that green screen!

215 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:25:07pm

re: #196 tradewind

In what part of the South exactly, was that doorway where Abner Louima encountered the broomstick?
South NY?
And Rodney King, beaten up in ...okay, it's Southern California, I suppose.
Your reasoning has Gone South.

You know you made a very good point. I hardly think that racism and violent racism is isolated to the South. However, let's not kid ourselves about a certain region of this nation known for trying to destroy the federal government, enslaving people and creating the Klan.

You know damn well what I mean. And you know damn well that there is still a lot of that shit going on down there and that it is coming back.

Please do not take that to mean that I think that all southerners are bigots. But also please don't tell me that the creatures in this video fit a certain well known American meme to a Tee.

216 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:25:36pm

re: #207 jamesfirecat
Maybe this time.

217 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:25:36pm

re: #201 Jetpilot1101

I thought the sarcasm waranted an upding. Obviously there are plenty of folks who use the N word disparingly all over the country not just the south.

Fair enough, but LVQ's post in my opinion didn't seem to open the door to the sarcasm that Satt brought to the table, since he never implied (in my reading of it) that only people in the South could use it disparingly.

Still thank you for responding to my question.

218 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:25:58pm

re: #213 tradewind

It's historically a word so offensive that every child in the South who actually wore shoes during the week knew that to utter it would mean, depending on the parenting style, either being knocked across the room or sentenced to the Land of No Privileges for a long time.
It still makes me wince, even when used among people of color affectionately, which it routinely is, here.

We were sentenced to the Land of No Privileges, after having our mouths washed out with soap. It was not allowed in my house, growing up.

219 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:26:11pm

re: #203 LudwigVanQuixote

FWIW, it took me three years to pass 1st year algebra. I was reading college level since grade school and a straight A English student until I graduated. I was on the president's honor roll, dean's list, and my work was in galleries my first year in art school.

Please don't make math a requirement to vote. Not all of us are wired that way, but that doesn't necessarily make us stupid. (Just not who you'd trust to do your taxes or balance a checkbook.)

220 Randall Gross  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:26:14pm

re: #215 LudwigVanQuixote

party.

221 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:26:17pm

re: #215 LudwigVanQuixote
Where, exactly is the headquarters of the KKK?
Hint: It's not down heayah.

222 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:26:38pm

re: #191 Shiplord Kirel

It sounds especially nasally and whiny from yankee white trash though, you betcha!

Good point.

223 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:26:51pm

re: #218 reine.de.tout
Same here. Same with, to a person, everyone I knew growing up.

224 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:26:52pm

re: #215 LudwigVanQuixote

More to the point, racism in (lets call it Place A) in no way works to negate or reduce racism in Place B.

Its a game that was old well before the Civil War.

225 Yashmak  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:27:01pm

re: #166 squiems

And I don't understand how you're perfectly willing to disregard biased media portrayals of say, the Gaza Flotilla Raid, but then stand by the same sources in their in their EDL exposes.

Uh, Charles didn't disregard that. He posted several articles exposing how the photos had been re-touched to edit out the weapons being held by the crew of the flotilla boats.

Not one, article, several.

226 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:27:24pm

re: #208 sattv4u2

shhh!!!

Put the sarc tag on next time and maybe he'll get it.

I've lived all over the country from MA to CA and a fair amount of places in between. There is racism EVRYWHERE and people use the N word in the northeast as well as the deep south. With that being said, in my opinion, the racism in the south is more open whereas the same racism in the north is somewhat more hidden. You see more of it down in the south but let me tell you, it sure as heck is up north as well.

227 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:27:25pm

re: #166 squiems

just pointed out that several (very liberal) English friends who have seen them first hand (and, like me, don't support them, at all, whatsoever) tell me that your whole "every member of the EDL is a violent white-supremacist BNF nazi" meme is simply way off base.

I call bullshit, and I have a Brit here who will too.

228 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:27:35pm

gentlemen....gentlemen......the affairs of state must take precedence over the....uh.... affairs of state................

229 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:28:09pm

re: #217 jamesfirecat

Fair enough, but LVQ's post in my opinion didn't seem to open the door to the sarcasm that Satt brought to the table, since he never implied (in my reading of it) that only people in the South could use it disparingly.

Still thank you for responding to my question.

oh, we can't bring sarcasm if the door isn't properly opened? i must have looked away when that rule was instituted.

230 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:28:29pm

re: #216 tradewind

Maybe this time.

And what exactly is THAT suppose to mean?

231 Digital Display  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:29:00pm

re: #227 iceweasel

I call bullshit, and I have a Brit here who will too.

Hi You! How is finger?

232 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:29:02pm

Context and intent do matter. The "N word" appears more than 300 times in Huckleberry Finn, for example. More recently, it appears several hundred times in Harry Turtledove's Timeline 191 alternate history series. Nobody sane has a problem with that, since these authors are clearly using the word to portray the authentic speech of people who didn't know any better in the first instance and of hard-core racists in the second.

In this video, the alleged context of exposing racism and hate just doesn't really wash, not with this crowd and not with this emphasis.

233 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:29:22pm

re: #166 squiems

You know, it's pretty ridiculous to say that I've been "defending racists" in either of my posts. I never "defended" the EDL; just pointed out that several (very liberal) English friends who have seen them first hand (and, like me, don't support them, at all, whatsoever) tell me that your whole "every member of the EDL is a violent white-supremacist BNF nazi" meme is simply way off base. Some are in fact peacefully protesting islamic extremists who are far more widespread in Britain than here.


So, it's some racists mixed in with some people protesting the existence of Muslims in their country but who aren't racist. And you know this because of secondhand personal claims that we can't verify.

Either they're all virulent racists, or many of their members have been fooled by virulent racists into joining a virulently racist cause. Either way, your concern about our opinion of them is misplaces.

234 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:29:23pm

re: #226 Jetpilot1101

Gah, the drumbeat continues!

They do it too! X1000000!!1!!!!11!!one!!!eleven!

235 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:29:45pm

re: #231 HoosierHoops

Hi You! How is finger?

hey you! could be better. How's the move and Winston?

236 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:30:07pm

re: #217 jamesfirecat

No problem. I find sarcasm funny but I understand your point of view. One thing that I don't do is shy away from questions so I will do mybest to answer any and all that are tossed my way.

237 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:30:20pm

re: #227 iceweasel

I call bullshit, and I have a Brit here who will too.

Some of them aren't violent - but they are all spectacular examples of the lesser end of the gene pool mixing with cheap lager.

238 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:30:47pm

re: #215 LudwigVanQuixote

You know damn well what I mean.


Not so much, lately. There's been a disturbing whiff of ethnic cleansing/
literacy-testing/superior group of genes musing in recent posts.

239 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:30:52pm

re: #219 theheat

FWIW, it took me three years to pass 1st year algebra. I was reading college level since grade school and a straight A English student until I graduated. I was on the president's honor roll, dean's list, and my work was in galleries my first year in art school.

Please don't make math a requirement to vote. Not all of us are wired that way, but that doesn't necessarily make us stupid. (Just not who you'd trust to do your taxes or balance a checkbook.)

But you passed it. More importantly, you saw the value of doing so.

I have seen, over 6,000 students in the course of my career.

I have met exactly three that I felt would never be able to do basic math no matter how hard they tried.

I have heard all sorts of people, who claimed they weren't wired or that they would never get it, but all of them eventually got it when given the right teaching and enough encouragement.

The problem is not with the students nearly as often as it is with a legacy of abysmal math education.

Please remember that everything I wrote has to do with people having a fair education available first.

240 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:30:57pm

re: #232 Shiplord Kirel

Context and intent do matter. The "N word" appears more than 300 times in Huckleberry Finn, for example. More recently, it appears several hundred times in Harry Turtledove's Timeline 191 alternate history series. Nobody sane has a problem with that, since these authors are clearly using the word to portray the authentic speech of people who didn't know any better in the first instance and of hard-core racists in the second.

In this video, the alleged context of exposing racism and hate just doesn't really wash, not with this crowd and not with this emphasis.

I have Dick Gregory's first autobiography on my shelf, but am not volunteering any public readings here in AL.

241 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:31:02pm

re: #219 theheat

Please don't make math a requirement to vote.

Fixed. And haven't we already settled this...something something "voting rights act" something something...it's hazy but it's coming back to me;)

242 Yashmak  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:31:27pm

I've looked back at a couple of my comments today, and realized that I've been abusing the heck out of the comma.

243 blueraven  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:31:29pm

re: #213 tradewind

It's historically a word so offensive that every child in the South who actually wore shoes during the week knew that to utter it would mean, depending on the parenting style, either being knocked across the room or sentenced to the Land of No Privileges for a long time.
It still makes me wince, even when used among people of color affectionately, which it routinely is, here.

Oh please. When I go home to Ga. I hear that word more in two weeks than I do in ten years. This is just being out and about; restaurants, shopping...whatever.
I love the south, it is my home. There are many, many, good and decent non racist people there, but I will not deny its racist history and ongoing problem with racial issues.

244 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:31:29pm

re: #238 tradewind

Not so much, lately. There's been a disturbing whiff of ethnic cleansing/
literacy-testing/superior group of genes musing in recent posts.

Where have there been 'ethnic cleansing' posts, please?

245 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:31:47pm

re: #238 tradewind

Not so much, lately. There's been a disturbing whiff of ethnic cleansing/
literacy-testing/superior group of genes musing in recent posts.

Well then you aren't reading what I am writing. I am singling out no group.

246 Ghazicide  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:31:48pm

We are living in the time of the great ODS: Oppressive Double Standards.

As if me not having an N-Word Say Anytime Card matters.

247 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:31:50pm

re: #227 iceweasel

I call bullshit, and I have a Brit here who will too.

hey, long time no...uhhh...whatever we do here. how many fingers are you holding up;)

248 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:32:03pm

So here's a serious question: Do poor white religious people really think they're being oppressed by black people? That they're denied housing and employment? And do Churches really still teach the myth that the Hebrew bible says that black men are sub-human and/or cursed?

249 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:32:19pm

it is my honour to present you with a laurel..... and hardy handshake...........

250 darthstar  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:32:39pm

This is pretty good...

251 Digital Display  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:32:42pm

re: #235 iceweasel

hey you! could be better. How's the move and Winston?

It is going fast...Hope you get feeling better.. Couple more weeks I'm out of here..then 2 weeks in a Hotel while my place is getting ready...

252 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:32:47pm

re: #247 Aceofwhat?

hey, long time no...uhhh...whatever we do here. how many fingers are you holding up;)

hey Ace! S'up? This video is blowing my mind.

253 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:32:59pm

re: #234 windsagio

Gah, the drumbeat continues!

They do it too! X1000000!!1!!!11!!one!!!eleven!

...and you should be smarter than to know that all I am trying to do it point out that there is racism everywhere and no matter where it is, IT IS F-ING WRONG! I'm not defending the south, just pointing out a fact based on my personal experiences living in this country.

254 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:33:10pm

re: #244 Obdicut
Oh, sorry. Substitute IQ for ethnicity.
Just as offensive.

255 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:33:14pm

re: #16 squiems

The video lacks any kind of subtlety, but it isn't racist.

This video is trying to sell the idea that a persons meaning and intention are irrelevant to the issue of racist language, all that matters is the words used, ergo black people who use the 'n' word are just as racist as the KKK.

It's very obviously (and gleefully) racist. As obvious as your concern trolling.

256 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:33:25pm

re: #238 tradewind

Not so much, lately. There's been a disturbing whiff of ethnic cleansing/
literacy-testing/superior group of genes musing in recent posts.

Wait, what? I missed this somehow!

257 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:33:37pm

re: #248 reuven

So here's a serious question: Do poor white religious people really think they're being oppressed by black people? That they're denied housing and employment? And do Churches really still teach the myth that the Hebrew bible says that black men are sub-human and/or cursed?

There is too much variation to make a meaningful answer, except "probably some".

258 lostlakehiker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:33:57pm

re: #48 elizajane

Sorry, but no. It completely lacks any remote understanding of what history means to a group of people, what it is to be a minority, how oppressed groups can lay claim to insults as a way of defusing the word and reclaiming power ("queer", for instance). It's saying, "We don't hate you now, so stop acting like spoiled babies."

And frankly, I just fine it insulting (to black people, to my own intelligence) when white people make this big thing about how there is no racism any more except in the minds of blacks. Give me a break.

Sigh. What a video. NNN like a broken record, and he doesn't even realize that it's he who looks like a fool. I'd call it retarded, but that would be an insult to the character of the people who were simply born with slow and halting understanding. This guy had it in him to know right from wrong, and smart from dumb, but he went and got it wrong anyhow.

On the bright side---

Everybody can get served at McDonalds, or in Macy's. In some settings, it's a disadvantage to be black, but in others, it's an advantage.

Look at marriage. Black/white marriage is increasingly common and raises few eyebrows anywhere.

Glass ceiling? The Supreme Court, the Presidency, the Senate, nothing's really off-limits.

Justice? In deepest redneck country, rural Texas, a racially inspired murder by dragging gets the perpetrators the death penalty. It shouldn't happen in the first place, but the law does what it can to discourage such crimes.

This society has other, more urgent problems, now that Jim Crow is dead and gone and unlamented these past 50 years. We have an educational system that needs major reform, an economy that's stumbling, an energy system that must transition to some other kind of fuel while fuel remains and before CO2 concentrations pass too many thresholds. The war isn't over, and the news isn't all that encouraging.

Improvement on these fronts secures the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity. A rising tide lifts all boats. Conversely, and switching metaphors, when the ship looks like she might sink, tensions over seats in the lifeboats rise. If things generally get worse, race relations figure to get worse just because of that.

259 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:34:02pm

re: #229 Aceofwhat?

oh, we can't bring sarcasm if the door isn't properly opened? i must have looked away when that rule was instituted.

NOTE TO SELF

make sure the "sarcasm allowed" sign is on the door before entering

Thanks!!

260 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:34:07pm

re: #234 windsagio

Gah, the drumbeat continues!

They do it too! X1000000!!1!!!11!!one!!!eleven!

nah, it's more of "if it's everywhere, there's no good reason to single out one area". but we were just kidding. LVQ doesn't actually think that only southerners do racism, and we don't actually think he does either.

261 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:34:16pm

re: #254 tradewind

Oh, sorry. Substitute IQ for ethnicity.
Just as offensive.

What are you talking about? Who has talked about killing low-IQ people? Where are you getting this from?

262 sattv4u2  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:34:41pm

BBIAB

263 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:34:47pm

re: #261 Obdicut

What are you talking about? Who has talked about killing low-IQ people? Where are you getting this from?

two guesses..............

264 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:34:54pm

re: #240 Decatur Deb
Come to think of it, Gregory probably got that ball rolling.
Not sure it was a good thing.

265 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:35:10pm

re: #253 Jetpilot1101

But why bring it up, if its not a defense? WE know there's racism everywhere!

But somehow, it only really comes up when we're talking about some really terrible racist event (usually in the south)

266 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:35:33pm

re: #256 windsagio
Late-night. That's when all the action pops./

267 ReamWorks SKG  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:35:51pm

re: #255 Jimmah

I agree. When a comedian or writer uses that word, it is to _defuse_ it. To reclaim it. To have power over that word, to lessen it's power. Whether this is an effective or prudent technique in every instance is debatable. But it's incorrect logic to believe that since an African American comic/artist/writer/lyricist chooses to use that word, there's some sort of double standard.

268 Shiplord Kirel  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:36:15pm

re: #213 tradewind

It's historically a word so offensive that every child in the South who actually wore shoes during the week knew that to utter it would mean, depending on the parenting style, either being knocked across the room or sentenced to the Land of No Privileges for a long time.
It still makes me wince, even when used among people of color affectionately, which it routinely is, here.

One reason the word is so offensive is that it is an illiterate usage, originating among people who could not pronounce the Spanish word "negro." This came to imply that the most ignorant and debased white was better than any black, and it was deliberately used to support that inference.

269 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:36:26pm
what are your pleasures...........


oh....play chess......screw....


lets play chess

270 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:36:42pm

re: #252 iceweasel

hey Ace! S'up? This video is blowing my mind.

yeah. i made a comment above that i'd just as well have Spacejesus tell me what Christianity is all about. you know i'm depressed about a soi-disant christian when i go there...//

my son started kindergarten last week...a little rocky, but still cute. life's not so bad.

hope you're healing and enjoying being with the one you love.

271 mikhailtheplumber  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:36:43pm

re: #221 tradewind

Where, exactly is the headquarters of the KKK?
Hint: It's not down heayah.

Up until the late 1980s, it was in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Pretty Southern, I'd say. I don't know where the headquarters is now, but according to the all-knowing Wikipedia, two thirds of the Klan's members are in the American South.

272 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:36:45pm

re: #260 Aceofwhat?

nah, it's more of "if it's everywhere, there's no good reason to single out one area". but we were just kidding. LVQ doesn't actually think that only southerners do racism, and we don't actually think he does either.

I admire your faith in humanity :p

It's always risky to deal in arguments that have a history tho' >>

...

Didn't somebody just get banned for essentially making the argument I'm objecting to? (altho that might be oversimplifying some)

273 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:36:48pm

re: #259 sattv4u2

NOTE TO SELF

make sure the "sarcasm allowed" sign is on the door before entering

Thanks!!

Sarcasm is never allowed. It just comes in without asking.

274 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:36:54pm

re: #255 Jimmah

This video is trying to sell the idea that a persons meaning and intention are irrelevant to the issue of racist language, all that matters is the words used, ergo black people who use the 'n' word are just as racist as the KKK.

It's very obviously (and gleefully) racist. As obvious as your concern trolling.

And I will thank Sister Sarah and her mistaken, bullheaded, idiot self for starting it via her defense of Laura the former radio host.

275 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:37:08pm

re: #266 tradewind

Late-night. That's when all the action pops./

Aah, damn work.

276 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:37:38pm

re: #261 Obdicut
"Killing " their right to vote.
Because they're tew stoopit./

277 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:37:43pm

re: #223 tradewind

Same here. Same with, to a person, everyone I knew growing up.

ditto.

278 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:37:46pm

re: #256 windsagio

Wait, what? I missed this somehow!

me too. can we share cliff's notes or something...

279 RawheaD  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:37:53pm

The imbecile's argument about "double standards" could possibly have a leg to stand on, if it weren't for the fact that their choice to come out and defend the use of the N word by other white people (I'm assuming Schlessinger) "because Black comedians use it all the time" reeks of rotten double standards itself.

If these dimwits truly wanted to practice what they preach, they would be out there protesting the use of the N word by Schlessinger as well as Chris Rock.

280 Varek Raith  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:38:05pm

re: #276 tradewind

"Killing " their right to vote.
Because they're tew stoopit./

Like your bullshit attempts to smear LVQ?

281 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:38:21pm

The inability of wingnuts to understand context drives the whole thing.

It reminds me of the "magic negro" flack - the L.A. times published a piece on how the psychology of some people viewing Obama seemed to echo the "magic negro" theme, something which has a very specific meaning in literary criticism. Think "the Legend of Bagger Vance," or for that matter, even "the Matrix." There's this black guy, and he's totally awesome and badass but the story isn't about him, oh no. Instead it's about some snot-nosed white guy who the black guy is going to help to be awesome, because apparently a story about an awesome black guy isn't good enough by itself; he doesn't get to succeed except secondhand through a white person. That's what that term refers to.

So what did the wingnuts do? Start lifting it out of context and running with that term in all sorts of directions that had nothing to do with its meaning. Rush was all over it. They were making silly parody songs, all because they figured if the L.A. Times gets to say it, they get to say it as much as they want, and repurpose it for whatever context they want.

The name of the NAACP is similar - it's tied in with the history of the organization and the work they've done. Lifting the "N" out of their name and using it in other contexts demonstrates a racial insensitivity that's simply insulting.

282 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:38:37pm

re: #278 Aceofwhat?

me too. can we share cliff's notes or something...

Well, not to be mean, but TW sometimes has... interesting angles on what happened anyways ;)

283 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:38:52pm

re: #274 Stanley Sea

And I will thank Sister Sarah and her mistaken, bullheaded, idiot self for starting it via her defense of Laura the former radio host.

The Grift(er) that keeps on giving.

284 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:39:00pm

re: #276 tradewind

"Killing " their right to vote.
Because they're tew stoopit./

Oh. So you lied when you said there were posts about ethnic cleansing.

Don't lie about people espousing ethnic cleansing.

That's an incredibly shitty thing to accuse other Lizards of.

Why would you do that?

285 samuraishake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:39:08pm

re: #44 Cato the Elder

I'd love to know what his definition of "acting like one" is.

That's pretty much the whole point of why he is racist. I'm 99% sure of what he thinks "acting like one" is, and I'm 99% sure it's a matter of personal choice in music or clothing. It's all about creating a monolithic culture with him. If you don't act like he wants, you're a N!@#@

286 Jetpilot1101  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:39:24pm

re: #265 windsagio

But why bring it up, if its not a defense? WE know there's racism everywhere!

But somehow, it only really comes up when we're talking about some really terrible racist event (usually in the south)

Because I was trying to impart a bit of personal experience to the discussion and let folks know what I had personally witnessed in my travels. I'm sorry if it came off as a defense of the south, that was not my intention.

287 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:39:35pm

re: #272 windsagio

I admire your faith in humanity :p

It's always risky to deal in arguments that have a history tho' >>

...

Didn't somebody just get banned for essentially making the argument I'm objecting to? (altho that might be oversimplifying some)

eh, you know me. i'd rather presume the best and be disappointed then be an ass and presume the worst!

and i don't know about your last question...if so, it was probably so much more caustic than this convo that i'm not solving for x properly...

288 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:39:44pm

re: #281 elbruce

'national'?

289 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:40:09pm

Arguing about whether a man who wants to start a religious war by burning Korans on 9/11 is also a racist is like debating whether Hitler did or did not love dogs.

290 Killgore Trout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:40:35pm

When is Obama's super awesome speech supposed to air?

291 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:41:12pm

re: #239 LudwigVanQuixote

I passed it, but the only value in doing so was to graduate. I remember getting to school an hour early every day for private study to learn what other kids had already mastered a year or two before. I had zero retention, and numbers meant nothing to me. The only way I made it was by being tested immediately following study, because none of it stuck to my brain. I have a kryptonite brain where numbers are concerned.

Oddly enough, I haven't used algebra since high school. I look back on the whole experience with miserable feelings. I fucking hate algebra.

That said, I understand why you think people with certified achievements should vote, but I don't believe it's realistic, and potentially denies everyone a voice. Yes, even the People of Wal-Mart have a voice. I hate their voice, but they have it, and it's their own.

292 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:41:24pm

re: #281 elbruce

The inability of wingnuts to understand context drives the whole thing.

Excellent analogy. I've often wondered whether wingnuttness correlates with a fundamental lack of reading comprehension/inability to understand metaphor.

293 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:41:50pm

re: #257 Decatur Deb
It's way too complex for a blog, agreed. There are groups of people in the South ... often less well educated, but not always...who feel they have been passed over for employment or other situations ( scholarships, etc) by less-qualified applicants who fit a hiring profile, and that is an argument not solvable here, with valid points on both sides.
Actually, I don't think it's special to the South, either. I'm thinking of some firefighters in Boston.

294 reine.de.tout  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:41:52pm

re: #272 windsagio

I admire your faith in humanity :p

It's always risky to deal in arguments that have a history tho' >>

...

Didn't somebody just get banned for essentially making the argument I'm objecting to? (altho that might be oversimplifying some)

My only "argument" is that I just don't like racism wherever it happens to come from.

295 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:41:53pm

re: #271 mikhailtheplumber

Up until the late 1980s, it was in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Pretty Southern, I'd say. I don't know where the headquarters is now, but according to the all-knowing Wikipedia, two thirds of the Klan's members are in the American South.

Here is the SPLC interactive "Hate Map". If you think you're far from the crap, give a look. I can bicycle to the nearest hit. (There's no one Klan org now, rarely was that unified.)

296 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:42:11pm

re: #286 Jetpilot1101

Well its okay to defend the South, especially if they're being wronged. Just that kind of argument is specious.

(Man isn't it messed up that we treat 'the south' like its a different nation or ethnicity? Guess its necessary tho', the cultural differences tend to be pretty strong)

297 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:42:15pm

re: #166 squiems


You know, it's pretty ridiculous to say that I've been "defending racists" in either of my posts. I never "defended" the EDL; just pointed out that several (very liberal) English friends who have seen them first hand (and, like me, don't support them, at all, whatsoever) tell me that your whole "every member of the EDL is a violent white-supremacist BNF nazi" meme is simply way off base.

Amazing. I've been living here in the UK all this time and had no idea that the EDL was a progressive organisation beloved of liberals.

Newsflash: Liberals - British included - don't really go for that 'protect your sacred white culture against the invading Islamo-scum' stuff.

298 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:42:20pm

OK, I think (*gasp*) we're pretty much on the same page here i.e. it is presumptively racist for non-blacks to use the N word unless there is a clear and credible innocent intent.
Two questions, though:
1. Is it possible for a white comedian to use the N word in a way that is so funny and pithy that it would not be considered racist?
2. Is it possible for a black person to use the N word in a racist manner deserving of criticism?

299 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:42:38pm

re: #295 Decatur Deb

Here is the SPLC interactive "Hate Map". If you think you're far from the crap, give a look. I can bicycle to the nearest hit. (There's no one Klan org now, rarely was that unified.)

Helps if I hit the link, duh:

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

300 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:42:46pm

re: #290 Killgore Trout

When is Obama's super awesome speech supposed to air?

6:00. He's already getting it from both right and left.

The left wants him to attack Bush in his speech, but Obama has too much class to do that. The right just hates everything he says and does, so they'll nitpick everything he says.

301 Wozza Matter?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:42:53pm

re: #297 Jimmah

Amazing. I've been living here in the UK all this time and had no idea that the EDL was a progressive organisation beloved of liberals.

Newsflash: Liberals - British included - don't really go for that 'protect your sacred white culture against the invading Islamo-scum' stuff.

Preach it.

302 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:42:55pm

re: #274 Stanley Sea
Way precedes Sarah Palin.
You give her way too much credit, and power.

303 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:42:59pm

re: #292 iceweasel

Excellent analogy. I've often wondered whether wingnuttness correlates with a fundamental lack of reading comprehension/inability to understand metaphor.

I think you're reading it wrong, its not an inability if its intentional :p

304 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:44:02pm

re: #227 iceweasel

Hey, lookee here!
*waves*

305 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:44:18pm

re: #282 windsagio

Well, not to be mean, but TW sometimes has... interesting angles on what happened anyways ;)

indeed. i'm usually diving for cover, but i know where the 'nade came from...

306 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:44:42pm

re: #298 Spare O'Lake

OK, I think (*gasp*) we're pretty much on the same page here i.e. it is presumptively racist for non-blacks to use the N word unless there is a clear and credible innocent intent.
Two questions, though:
1. Is it possible for a white comedian to use the N word in a way that is so funny and pithy that it would not be considered racist?
2. Is it possible for a black person to use the N word in a racist manner deserving of criticism?

There has to be room for academic discussion without lame euphemisms. the context and intent would be obvious.

307 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:44:49pm

Jon Stewart used the N-word quite openly in his piece about Dr. Laura. He used it in a context of discussing its impact and the reactions to it.

If the people making this video had just skipped the part where they gleefully chant it over and over again at each other, they'd be using it in the same context. Although, I would find it odd that they're saying nobody should ever say it while saying it. I thought pastors were supposed to not do the things they say people shouldn't do, not serve as counterexamples to their own exhortations.

308 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:44:54pm

re: #298 Spare O'Lake

OK, I think (*gasp*) we're pretty much on the same page here i.e. it is presumptively racist for non-blacks to use the N word unless there is a clear and credible innocent intent.
Two questions, though:
1. Is it possible for a white comedian to use the N word in a way that is so funny and pithy that it would not be considered racist?
2. Is it possible for a black person to use the N word in a racist manner deserving of criticism?


No, and yes.

309 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:45:17pm

re: #303 windsagio

I think you're reading it wrong, its not an inability if its intentional :p

Heh-- that's why I appealed to correlation not causation. ;) I can't tell which comes first, for one thing. Look at wingnut cultural criticism: some of that involves hilarious inability, not just intentional idiocy.

310 Stanghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:45:17pm

re: #302 tradewind

Way precedes Sarah Palin.
You give her way too much credit, and power.

Something, just something makes me think she's got your vote.

311 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:45:19pm

re: #290 Killgore Trout

When is Obama's super awesome speech supposed to air?

Groth v. Sharapova > Obama

i'm not saying it's right. i'm just being me...

312 Benghazzy Ben Ross  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:45:38pm

re: #297 Jimmah

Amazing. I've been living here in the UK all this time and had no idea that the EDL was a progressive organisation beloved of liberals.

Newsflash: Liberals - British included - don't really go for that 'protect your sacred white culture against the invading Islamo-scum' stuff.

Paranoia. You're doing it wrong.

313 jamesfirecat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:46:22pm

re: #299 Decatur Deb

Helps if I hit the link, duh:

[Link: www.splcenter.org...]

Why is a White Nationalist movement called "Center for Perpetual Diversity"?

314 mikhailtheplumber  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:46:26pm

re: #295 Decatur Deb

Here is the SPLC interactive "Hate Map". If you think you're far from the crap, give a look. I can bicycle to the nearest hit. (There's no one Klan org now, rarely was that unified.)

Who said I thought I was far from the crap? I live in Georgia! :)

315 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:47:06pm

re: #296 windsagio

(Man isn't it messed up that we treat 'the south' like its a different nation or ethnicity? Guess its necessary tho', the cultural differences tend to be pretty strong)

eh, we do it with everyone. wait two hours, we'll be bashing Cali again!

316 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:47:23pm

re: #313 jamesfirecat

Why is a White Nationalist movement called "Center for Perpetual Diversity"?

Because Center for Perpetual Revolution sounded too commie? /

317 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:47:28pm

re: #288 windsagio

'national'?

Yes. Every time I see a wingnut thinking they get to say "National" just because it's in the NAACP's name it just makes my blood boil... /

Aargh - *forehead-slap* I meant the "C."

318 Almost Killed by Space Hookers  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:47:33pm

re: #291 theheat

I passed it, but the only value in doing so was to graduate. I remember getting to school an hour early every day for private study to learn what other kids had already mastered a year or two before. I had zero retention, and numbers meant nothing to me. The only way I made it was by being tested immediately following study, because none of it stuck to my brain. I have a kryptonite brain where numbers are concerned.

Oddly enough, I haven't used algebra since high school. I look back on the whole experience with miserable feelings. I fucking hate algebra.

That said, I understand why you think people with certified achievements should vote, but I don't believe it's realistic, and potentially denies everyone a voice. Yes, even the People of Wal-Mart have a voice. I hate their voice, but they have it, and it's their own.

That's fine. Just understand that if those people win when it comes to delaying AGW legislation, you will pay for your generosity of spirit with the lives of your children and the fate of your nation.

I personally am repelled that the actions of utter morons are impacting my life so badly. It saddens and sickens me to think that history and science have come to a place where the actions of drooling rednecks will wipe out all memory of Beethoven, Mozart and democracy. It sickens me that their stupidity and our generosity with it, will cause a new dark age.

If there were no consequences to this I would be much more live and let live.

But there are consequences, and knowingly or not, they are not living and letting live.

Their right to voice their stupid opinions as facts does not outweigh humanity's right to have a livable planet.

319 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:47:48pm

re: #314 mikhailtheplumber

Who said I thought I was far from the crap? I live in Georgia! :)

That was the Global Lizard "you". "Y'all" still doesn't come naturally.

320 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:47:52pm

re: #315 Aceofwhat?

Don't evven get me started!

Its like a national pastime up here, dumping on people from Cali!

Fuck LA!!!

321 Cato the Elder  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:47:52pm

re: #298 Spare O'Lake

OK, I think (*gasp*) we're pretty much on the same page here i.e. it is presumptively racist for non-blacks to use the N word unless there is a clear and credible innocent intent.
Two questions, though:
1. Is it possible for a white comedian to use the N word in a way that is so funny and pithy that it would not be considered racist?
2. Is it possible for a black person to use the N word in a racist manner deserving of criticism?

1. Yes. Lenny Bruce:

2. Yes. I imagine Clarence Thomas mentally does that a lot when thinking about his "uppity" president in the White House.

322 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:48:13pm

re: #317 elbruce

Yes. Every time I see a wingnut thinking they get to say "National" just because it's in the NAACP's name it just makes my blood boil... /

Aargh - *forehead-slap* I meant the "C."

haha sorry to be a dick :D

323 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:48:21pm

re: #313 jamesfirecat

Why is a White Nationalist movement called "Center for Perpetual Diversity"?

Vestigal Irony.

324 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:48:54pm

re: #298 Spare O'Lake

1. Is it possible for a white comedian to use the N word in a way that is so funny and pithy that it would not be considered racist?

Perhaps, but the bar is set extreeemely high. See my link in post #57 for one example.

325 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:49:33pm

re: #323 Decatur Deb

Vestigal Irony.

thread winner

326 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:49:39pm

re: #307 elbruce

Jon Stewart used the N-word quite openly in his piece about Dr. Laura. He used it in a context of discussing its impact and the reactions to it.

If the people making this video had just skipped the part where they gleefully chant it over and over again at each other, they'd be using it in the same context. Although, I would find it odd that they're saying nobody should ever say it while saying it. I thought pastors were supposed to not do the things they say people shouldn't do, not serve as counterexamples to their own exhortations.

Exactly. These two yobos pulled a redneck version of a Dr. Laura, with the added bonus of the painfully cretinous "pants on the ground" schtick.

327 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:49:52pm

re: #295 Decatur Deb
The Hater-In-Chief has his KKK headquarters in Indiana. There is a YouTube video of him, purple pointy cape and all, that is so heinous and radical that I just can't post it, although it is the best( i.e. worst) example of bigotry and racial hatred I have seen online anywhere.
If you google " Indiana KKK says Obama.....", it will appear.
Warning: Awful, not safe, and not civilized.

328 mikhailtheplumber  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:50:13pm

re: #319 Decatur Deb

That was the Global Lizard "you". "Y'all" still doesn't come naturally.

I'm slowly developing my southern drawl. Nothing to be ashamed for.

329 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:50:54pm

re: #327 tradewind

Again, tho', what is that supposed to actually prove?

330 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:51:49pm

re: #255 Jimmah

Lots of fun folks here, now!
Jimmah, too!

331 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:52:33pm

re: #329 windsagio

Again, tho', what is that supposed to actually prove?

That there's no shortage of bigotry and racism throughout America.

332 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:52:44pm

re: #328 mikhailtheplumber

I'm slowly developing my southern drawl. Nothing to be ashamed for.

i played John Wilkes Booth in HS...gave me a chance to work on my genteel southern accent. it's a shame that it's mostly gone; it was such a more precise way of speaking than the hickweed that has since developed.

333 windsagio  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:53:05pm

re: #331 Spare O'Lake

So Granted that, what's your point in bringing up this obvious fact?

334 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:53:48pm

re: #327 tradewind

The Hater-In-Chief has his KKK headquarters in Indiana. There is a YouTube video of him, purple pointy cape and all, that is so heinous and radical that I just can't post it, although it is the best( i.e. worst) example of bigotry and racial hatred I have seen online anywhere.
If you google " Indiana KKK says Obama...", it will appear.
Warning: Awful, not safe, and not civilized.

The Klan of the '20s had vast power in Indiana--two gubernatorial candidates tried to "out-Klan" each other. Fiscal corruption brought it low for a generation.

335 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:55:39pm

re: #319 Decatur Deb

That was the Global Lizard "you". "Y'all" still doesn't come naturally.

I actually use "y'all" on a fairly regular basis in conversation. It took a while to get used to, but dammit, English demands a distinct 2nd-person plural pronoun! Of the available possibilities are "y'all," "youse" " and "yiz." However, the latter two fail when it comes to a possessive form, whereas "y'all's" also remains distinct and pronounceable.

336 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:55:41pm

re: #310 Stanley Sea

Something, just something...


That's because you're safety-wired to the prejudiced ( in the truest sense of the word) position.
Besides, that's a silly thing to postulate. She's not available as a choice on any ballot for any upcoming US election.

337 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:55:47pm

re: #321 Cato the Elder

Heh. I was thinking of Lenny Bruce when I asked the question.

338 The Great Ralph  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:56:26pm

re: #31 elbruce

That's the really offensive part. Ultimately, it's all about context. Saying it solely because you like to say it is really offensive.

The notion of African-Americans using the N-word to rob it of its power was largely started by Richard Pryor. Even that is controversial within the black community. But at least there's a reason there for them to say it. What's these peoples' reason?

But Richard finally realized that it is a vile word no matter who utters it. (NSFW)

God how I miss him.

339 reloadingisnotahobby  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:56:29pm

Well...Let's Take Al Sharptons MLK rally and filter out every work that
is a COLOR(red,white ,blue ,green and ..oh yeah,black)!
How many times do ya think color was mentioned???
...I missed pink..sorry!
/

340 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:57:04pm

re: #318 LudwigVanQuixote

Unfortunately, we are victims of bad timing. Not enough time to shore up universal intellect in relation to the need for it. While it may be our demise, that doesn't change the fact I cannot condone denying each person the right to vote their opinion.

I'm not a religious person, so I can't say that I have faith this will turn out well. I guess you could say I'm a betting person, and even though the house odds may be against me, I'm betting intellect will prevail over the hordes of the unenlightened. Meanwhile, I'm all for trying to educate those hordes and even the odds as much as possible, as quickly as possible, so they do not become the prevailing mentality.

Oh, and not voting Republican, so long as they represent those hordes (and they do).

341 theMattHatter  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:57:38pm

Oooohhh; since you put it that way! See, I get it now. What would I have done without these words of wisdom?

"Drinkin before noon;
Drinkin before noon;
Slurrin all your words,
Cause yer drinkin before noon."

I would be willing to bet that this guy would have to drive at least an hour to even find someone to lose out to over affirmative action. Unfortunately, this also means that there's no one in his town that he wouldn't want seeing this.

342 brownbagj  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:58:02pm

re: #318 LudwigVanQuixote

I understand your passion and the immediacy - but this is not our country nor how our country works. Everyone has a right to be heard.

What you propose (keeping the droolers out or however you put it) is very close to having a ruling elite and to hell with what the peasants think.

I think this is a dangerous line of thought to be honest. Everyone thinks they know better than everyone else and ultimately only those who have the firepower (in other words are good at killing off their competition) will have their voices heard.

We cannot go down that road.

343 Decatur Deb  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:58:07pm

re: #335 elbruce

I actually use "y'all" on a fairly regular basis in conversation. It took a while to get used to, but dammit, English demands a distinct 2nd-person plural pronoun! Of the available possibilities are "y'all," "youse" " and "yiz." However, the latter two fail when it comes to a possessive form, whereas "y'all's" also remains distinct and pronounceable.

Pittsburgh-speakers use "you ones". We pronounce it "yunz".

344 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:58:25pm

re: #284 Obdicut

Oh. So you lied when you said there were posts about ethnic cleansing.

Don't lie about people espousing ethnic cleansing.

That's an incredibly shitty thing to accuse other Lizards of.

Why would you do that?

This is something we have been seeing a lot of lately from the wingnut fraternity. I'm guessing it's because they have been so thoroughly exposed here so many times that their disconnect from reality and descent into craziness is no longer entirely deniable even for them, so they resort to distortions and smears to try to make out that the ones calling them out are as fucked up as they are.

345 Spare O'Lake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:58:56pm

re: #333 windsagio

So Granted that, what's your point in bringing up this obvious fact?

Folks just looove to stereotype others like southerners for example, and it's healthy to regularly debunk all stereotypes.

346 lostlakehiker  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 4:58:58pm

re: #318 LudwigVanQuixote

That's fine. Just understand that if those people win when it comes to delaying AGW legislation, you will pay for your generosity of spirit with the lives of your children and the fate of your nation.

I personally am repelled that the actions of utter morons are impacting my life so badly. It saddens and sickens me to think that history and science have come to a place where the actions of drooling rednecks will wipe out all memory of Beethoven, Mozart and democracy. It sickens me that their stupidity and our generosity with it, will cause a new dark age.

If there were no consequences to this I would be much more live and let live.

But there are consequences, and knowingly or not, they are not living and letting live.

Their right to voice their stupid opinions as facts does not outweigh humanity's right to have a livable planet.

We're not to the point that we have to abandon liberty and make everybody love Big Brother. Climate-change deniers have, and ought to have, the right to make their case, such as it is.

Let them talk.

Then rip the hell out of the sorry mess of a case that is the best case they can make. We win sooner and more convincingly if we invite the other side to take its best shot than if we silence dissent. Silencing dissent concedes implicitly that the other side, if permitted to speak, might win the argument.

Consider: just recently, Bjorn Lomborg came around. It's slow, hard work convincing the public of the truth of slow-acting bad news that will crimp lifestyles for a while. Never mind that ignoring the bad news doesn't make it go away and more than lifestyles will be worse than crimped if we punt.

There's just no getting around the hard work of making the case again and again, proving it one way and then the other, until we've got the needed level of public support to go ahead with whatever steps we haven't yet been able to take for lack of governmental authority.

In the meantime, there's a lot of technical work to be done. Even if we had all our legal and societal ducks in a row, it would be nice to have more efficient solar photovoltaic stuff, for instance. It would be nice to have reactor designs that ran on thorium and had been tested and got ready for mass production.

The social case will steadily become stronger as the economic drawbacks to immediate deployment of some available green technology fade away.

347 Aceofwhat?  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:00:40pm

re: #343 Decatur Deb

Pittsburgh-speakers use "you ones". We pronounce it "yunz".

lots of "youz guyz" in Chicago when I lived there...

348 samuraishake  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:01:15pm

His rant against affirmative action (if you watched that far into the video) is another bit of oddness. He seems to think it means filling quotas with people, rather than qualifications. Affirmative action actually means stepping up recruiting if you're missing minorities from the workplace. It's about getting applicants into the pool. THEN you make a choice to fill the position based on qualifications. If you have more minorities in the pool, you are more likely to find one that is qualified, just like any kind of pool. Playing the odds.

I'm guessing he sees someone in a job who looks or talks differently than him, and he assumes that this person is unqualified. THAT's racism.

349 tradewind  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:02:47pm

re: #332 Aceofwhat?
It's not gone at all. There are gazillions of Southern accents. Well, many. They are radically dissimilar, and they are dependent not only on region, but even more heavily on educational level and socio-economic class structure.
Hollywood almost always butchers them criminally. Kyra Sedgewick in The Closer, does a fair job, for a Yankee.

350 brownbagj  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:03:59pm

You know, as a Christian we are told by Christ to model our lives after him - to be and to struggle to be more like him every day.

Somehow, I don't think He acted like the leaders of this congregation.

351 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:05:32pm

re: #318 LudwigVanQuixote

BTW, as long as math-challenged peeps like me are around, you can't kill Mozart or Picasso, because while we may not be accountants or scientists, we live for that artsy shit. We studied it, and we practice it. I'll be damned if high art becomes a corn cob pipe and Muzak.

352 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:06:27pm

re: #330 Floral Giraffe

Lots of fun folks here, now!
Jimmah, too!

Hi there FG :) Just getting into the groove here...

353 brownbagj  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:07:33pm

re: #351 theheat

What are you bigoted against corn cob pipes and Muzak?

Hater//

354 dmon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:10:14pm

I've been with my wife for over seven years. I answer her calls with "what's up biotch" she responds with "Nuthin asshole". We can say this to each other because we have a connection, and both know that in the context we are using in, there is absolutely no ill intentions, its almost a show of affection. Now...... if one of you guys call her a bitch she will more than likely kick your ass.


What's so godamn hard to understand why you cant refer to a black person as a N______?

355 BARACK THE VOTE  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:12:57pm

re: #351 theheat

BTW, as long as math-challenged peeps like me are around,

This will probably argue against my own ability to pass such a test, but I swear I read that as "meth-challenged peeps".

356 squiems  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:14:40pm

re: #189 Aceofwhat?

So, to get this straight, it's bigoted to blame all muslims for the actions of a violent and hateful minority, but it's perfectly fair to do the same of the EDL?

357 theheat  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:14:42pm

re: #355 iceweasel

Meth is easily attainable, if I were so inclined. Math, not so much!

358 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:18:47pm

re: #237 wozzablog

Some of them aren't violent - but they are all spectacular examples of the lesser end of the gene pool mixing with cheap lager.

You'd think with that much alcohol, the slimy shallow end of the gene pool would have cleared up long ago...

359 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:20:39pm

re: #356 squiems

So, to get this straight, it's bigoted to blame all muslims for the actions of a violent and hateful minority, but it's perfectly fair to do the same of the EDL?

It would be bigoted to tar all white English people with that brush, but not the self-selected violent and hateful minority of the white English people that constitute the EDL. Nice try.

360 squiems  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:22:09pm

re: #312 JasonA

I never said that. I only said that liberal friends of mine, from their own observation, didn't believe that the EDF was exclusively a hate-group. I never suggested anything positive about them, just that they aren't as racist a group as they are commonly made out to be.

361 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:22:38pm

re: #352 Jimmah

You will NEVER beat the Scotsman video you posted for me.

362 squiems  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:27:40pm

re: #359 Jimmah

All I'm trying to say is that I don't believe that the EDL is uniquely violent and hateful. I just emailed one of the friends I've been referring to for pictures to post of EDL members burning nazi and BNF flags.

363 Obdicut  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:28:47pm

re: #360 squiems

So you're not really saying anything, are you?

364 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:31:51pm

re: #356 squiems

S, t gt ths strght, t's bgtd t blm ll mslms fr th ctns f vlnt nd htfl mnrt, bt t's prfctl fr t d th sm f th DL?

Nice try, but no...the EDL is not representative of all white people in the UK, but they are representative of the bigotry and xenophobia that's run rampant in European right-wing politics for decades and is rearing its ugly head in American right-wing politics after a long hiatus.

365 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:33:19pm

re: #363 Obdicut

So you're not really saying anything, are you?

squiems' posts have been sound and fury, signifying nothing.

366 Ben G. Hazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:36:30pm

re: #362 squiems

All I'm trying to say is that I don't believe that the EDL is uniquely violent and hateful.

And all I'm trying to say is that I think you're full of it...

367 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:40:33pm

re: #362 squiems

All I'm trying to say is that I don't believe that the EDL is uniquely violent and hateful. I just emailed one of the friends I've been referring to for pictures to post of EDL members burning nazi and BNF flags.

Their marketing is not exactly the same as that of their rivals in the hatemongering business. They are still very much in that business.

368 elizajane  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:40:39pm

re: #318 LudwigVanQuixote

That's fine. Just understand that if those people win when it comes to delaying AGW legislation, you will pay for your generosity of spirit with the lives of your children and the fate of your nation.

I personally am repelled that the actions of utter morons are impacting my life so badly. It saddens and sickens me to think that history and science have come to a place where the actions of drooling rednecks will wipe out all memory of Beethoven, Mozart and democracy. It sickens me that their stupidity and our generosity with it, will cause a new dark age.

If there were no consequences to this I would be much more live and let live.

But there are consequences, and knowingly or not, they are not living and letting live.

Their right to voice their stupid opinions as facts does not outweigh humanity's right to have a livable planet.

I think you need to move your anger from the morons to the people who fill their limited brains with lies.
Go look at Beck's new website, which is carefully written at 5th-grade level and digests a lot of half-truths and utter garbage so as to be easily digested by those who can digest nothing else.
And then be mad at him, not at the people who read him.

369 Ayeless in Ghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:41:30pm

re: #366 talon_262

And all I'm trying to say is that I think you're full of it...

Ditto. He must think we're all buttoned up the back here.

370 Charles Johnson  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:59:09pm

re: #362 squiems

All I'm trying to say is that I don't believe that the EDL is uniquely violent and hateful. I just emailed one of the friends I've been referring to for pictures to post of EDL members burning nazi and BNF flags.

I could not possibly care less about any public relations pictures of EDL members "burning nazi and BNF flags." (I think you meant BNP.)

You must think we're idiots.

371 Dark_Falcon  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:59:46pm

re: #362 squiems

It doesn't matter if they burn Nazi flags if they follow Nazi tactics.

Also, I couldn't get through a minute of that video at the top. A bunch of Southern White people having fun spouting the n-word. Why do I get the feeling that these people are same sort who would enjoy lynching black people, as was once done in Florida?

372 palomino  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 5:59:55pm

Poor oppressed white folks. There's a word they can't say.

Sure, the n-word is overused by black comedians (the argument always used by folks like these). As far as I'm concerned, if you're black, given the history, you've kind of earned the right to say the word.

373 HappyBenghazi  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:12:53pm

Where's Palin to champion these guys like she did with Dr. Laura?

374 elbruce  Tue, Aug 31, 2010 7:42:01pm

re: #362 squiems

All I'm trying to say is that I don't believe that the EDL is uniquely violent and hateful. I just emailed one of the friends I've been referring to for pictures to post of EDL members burning nazi and BNF flags.

If you meant to say "BNP," that would be interesting since the founding leadership of the EDL has a lot of BNP (technically ex-BNP) members in it:

From its very beginnings the BNP has played a central role in building and directing the EDL. For instance, Chris Renton, the man behind the EDL website, is a BNP member, and so is Davy Cooling, the administrator of the Luton EDL site. One of the organisers of the Birmingham protests was BNP member Richard Price. Finally, at the Stoke protest, BNP councillors were seen directing the protests and two leading members of Combat 18 (C18), Alan Thompson and Barry Osborne, were in the thick of the violence.

Sections of the BNP see the EDL as their version of a "united front". The EDL is a place where Nazis can meet and recruit angry young people influenced by racist and right wing populist ideas.

Anybody who's not a die-hard Nazi who's in the EDL is being deluded by die-hard Nazis. I'm sure it's possible that there are some nice people who've joined Hamas due to what they think are reasonable concerns, but I don't want to hear from them either. Or the apologists for either. *meaningful glare*

375 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 1:20:51am

re: #144 Decatur Deb

My wife's family has family deep in the Kentucky countryside. One strange naming convention is to give children initials only as a name. She had an uncle "R.P." That wasn't short for anything. When he went to the Army, he was recorded as "R(only) P(only" Stevens. It took about three bureaucratic seconds for him to become "Ronly Ponly".

Is that something like Major Major Major Major?

376 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 1:40:51am

re: #347 Aceofwhat?

lots of "youz guyz" in Chicago when I lived there...

In my area, servers say "you guys" regardless of the gender of the people at the table. It drives my mother crazy. This little almost-80-year-old will look a server straight in the eye and say coldly, "Do I look like a guy to you?"

Dad did similar things, too, but some of my thorniness comes straight from Mom.

I remember "yunz" from our days in Pittsburgh, too.

377 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 1:49:18am

re: #349 tradewind

It's not gone at all. There are gazillions of Southern accents. Well, many. They are radically dissimilar, and they are dependent not only on region, but even more heavily on educational level and socio-economic class structure.
Hollywood almost always butchers them criminally. Kyra Sedgewick in The Closer, does a fair job, for a Yankee.

One of the worst things about the dreadful film adaptation of Steel Magnolias was that there were six distinctly different "Southern" accents for the six main women in it, including Sally Field's light Alabama and Dolly Parton's backwoods east Tennessee--and what the hell part of the South Olympia Dukakis' accent came from has not yet been determined by any linguist.

I was in a production of The Last Night of Ballyhoo a year-plus ago, set in Atlanta in 1939, and we worked damned hard to get the accents right. Everyone kept slipping into a Kentucky drawl, perhaps because we were in northern Kentucky, but our producer beat the right accent into us. And while most of us were working on our Georgia accents, I also wound up coaching the guy who played the New Yorker ("Damn it all, Rob, that's not nearly obnoxious enough!").

Accents are easy to do, very difficult to do correctly.

378 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 1:53:22am

If I were in charge of Harley-Davidson, I'd pay someone to steal that shirt back. The trashiest of bikers is one thing, but letting someone that awful wear the corporate logo is simply too low.

379 squiems  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 7:40:56am

re: #370 Charles

No, I meant BNF. British National Front. More racist and right-wing than the BNP. And again, I simply cannot understand the inability to even imagine that some parts of the EDL are not as violent and extremist as you all seem to think.

380 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 1, 2010 9:56:56am

re: #379 squiems

No, I meant BNF. British National Front. More racist and right-wing than the BNP. And again, I simply cannot understand the inability to even imagine that some parts of the EDL are not as violent and extremist as you all seem to think.

And I can't understand why you think I'm going to allow you to continue making excuses for the EDL and Dove World Outreach at LGF.

Go away. There are sites where you don't have to pretend you don't support those lunatics -- go post your comments there. You're not welcome here.

381 theMattHatter  Thu, Sep 2, 2010 1:44:02pm

Yeah, you know, it's almost always sees ed to me like the people most likely to cite affirmative action as a huge problem not only haven't had any experience with it, but don't even have a complete understanding of what it is and how it works. As a matter of fact, I've lived in and around the Chicago Metro area my whole life, and I've had very few experiences that have involved affirmative action, positively or negatively. If it's not a huge, every day issue here, it's hard for me to believe that communities including people who have literally never seen a person who isn't white have droves of unemployed citizens because of it's unfair effects.
It seems like you ca pick out the closet racists because they continue to keep the issue alive, in one form or another, long past the point where it's become a non issue.

re: #348 samuraishake


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