9/11 Families Ask Pamela Geller to Cancel Protest

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A group of 9/11 family members has officially asked Pamela Geller not to stage her bigoted hate rally on September 11: 9/11 Families Ask Ground Zero Mosque Protesters to Stop Rallies on Anniversary.

LOWER MANHATTAN — The ninth anniversary of 9/11 is the wrong day to hold rallies about the planned mosque and community center near Ground Zero, say relatives of the New Yorkers who died in the World Trade Center.

The group Stop Islamization of America is planning a massive rally near Ground Zero for the afternoon of Sept. 11, and those who support the project plan to hold a counter-protest.

“On this one day, we’re hopeful there don’t have to be rallies and protests, that we leave that day to remembrance and service in memory of those who perished,” said Jay Winuk, whose brother, Glenn Winuk, 40, a volunteer firefighter, was killed in the attacks.

“Whether you’re pro or con on the mosque issue, that’s not what this is about,” said Winuk, who declined to give his position. “This isn’t an appropriate day to do a protest of this sort.”

Winuk and David Paine, co-founders of My Good Deed, an organization that promotes volunteerism on the anniversary of 9/11, sent a letter to both sides this week, asking them not to rally. The letter was signed by about a dozen family members, including representatives of the Tribute WTC Visitor Center and September 11 Families Association.

Geller, of course, is riding high on a huge charge of raging narcissism and ego gratification, and she tells the relatives of victims of the 9/11 attacks to buzz off.

Pamela Geller, executive director of Stop Islamization of America, said in a statement that her protest would go forward as planned.

“The rally is one of remembrance, dedicated to honoring the memory of those who were murdered, and making sure their memory is not desecrated by this mosque,” Geller said. “How does such a spectacle in any way dishonor the victims of the 9/11 attacks?”

Notice that the Geller-thing doesn’t even try to be diplomatic about it. These are the people she pretends to be speaking for, and she tells them to get lost.

UPDATE at 9/3/10 10:02:44 am:

Did I say she isn’t trying to be diplomatic? That’s not even the half of it.

At her website, Pamela Geller is not just telling the 9/11 family members to get lost — she’s attacking them viciously and smearing the spokesman for the group as a “vampire” and a “socilaist” [sic]: He’s Not Even A 911 family Member.

The vampires are out in full force. …

David Paine, a public relations man who is not a 911 family member masqueraded as a a speaker for “the families” deriding the rally, and equating our patriots tribute to the the anti-Semitic, Holocaust-survivor-assaulting Sharia-supporting pro-mosque rallyers, engaging in a breathtaking moral equivocation. We are not remotely on the same moral playing field with those Islamic supremacists. Wait, it gets better. Public relations man Paine then spent the better part of the interminably long segment selling his 911 “day of service” socilaist nonsense, a PR initiative of his (working in service of the Obama administration.) Paine has scribbled for the Puffington Ho ……………

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215 comments
1 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:34:37am

That is awesome. I didn't know about this organization. I think I'll sign up and do me some volunteerism.

2 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:34:41am
“The rally is one of remembrance, dedicated to honoring the memory of those who were murdered, and making sure their memory is not desecrated by this mosque,” Geller said. “How does such a spectacle in any way dishonor the victims of the 9/11 attacks?”

Because your rally is ABOUT THE MOSQUE, not about the victims of 9/11 you idiot.

3 jaunte  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:35:37am
“On this one day, we’re hopeful there don’t have to be rallies and protests, that we leave that day to remembrance and service in memory of those who perished,” said Jay Winuk, whose brother, Glenn Winuk, 40, a volunteer firefighter, was killed in the attacks.

It's the concept of service-to-other-than-self that Geller doesn't understand.

4 Kragar  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:36:11am
“How does such a spectacle in any way dishonor the victims of the 9/11 attacks?”

We're just planning to drag out those painful memories, twist them up and use your lost love ones as Martyrs to fuel a rage and hate inspired holy war. Who could object to that?

5 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:36:26am

So these 9/11 family members think that the day should be left alone to partake in quiet and heartfelt commemorations? What are they, a bunch of Dhimmi's?
/

6 Kragar  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:36:36am

re: #3 jaunte

It's the concept of service-to-other-than-self that Geller doesn't understand.

Others?

7 DaddyG  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:37:42am

Good.

Now for the major press outlets to pick up on their call for respect.

chirp... chirp... chirp...

8 jaunte  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:38:02am

re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Them too!

9 Kragar  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:38:52am

re: #8 jaunte

Them too!

THEY'VE GOT GIANT ANTS?!?!?!

10 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:39:19am

I'm sure the wingnuts will be ready and waiting to explain to us how some victims are more equal than others.
(i mean this won't halt the rally or geller's claims that she's the one representing the 'real' victims' families, etc.)

11 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:39:20am

Notice that the Geller-thing doesn't even try to be diplomatic about it.

These are the people she pretends to be speaking for, and she tells them to get lost.

12 nines09  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:41:10am

And the vile people who supported the 9-11 attack rub their hands with glee. Spectacle indeed. Will Newt be there?

13 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:41:30am

Never let touchy-feely rememberance get in the way of a raging hatefest. After all getting all touchy-feely is the impotent, limp thing to do donchaknow?

//

14 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:44:56am

re: #11 Charles

Notice that the Geller-thing doesn't even try to be diplomatic about it.

These are the people she pretends to be speaking for, and she tells them to get lost.

She has a new thread up attacking the group's spokesman because he's not a family member of a 9-11 victim.

15 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:45:14am

Geller's psychological issues could no doubt keep several doctors busy for several years, but one has always stood out to me: her fetishistic love of violent death and especially the violent death of women. She fairly revels in it and the most gruesome images she can find, she loves the notion of female 'martyrdom' ---and most of all she's in love with herself as 'speaker for the dead'.

This surfaces whether she's raising money for a tombstone that a girl's family doesn't want, posting gruesome images, lingering over graphic descriptions of violence, --one of the binding themes is that Geller is somehow specially entitled, specially in tune, with what the dead really want and deserve.

Don't expect her to have any compassion for the real victims or their families if it upsets her agenda-- any more than she cared about the girl's family's wishes in that ridiculous tombstone crusade.

16 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:46:03am

re: #14 Killgore Trout

Pam sez....

Wait, it gets better. Public relations man Paine then spent the better part of the interminably long segment selling his 911 "day of service" socilaist nonsense, a PR initiative of his (working in service of the Obama administration.)


Socialism!

17 reine.de.tout  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:47:37am

re: #16 Killgore Trout

Pam sez...


Socialism!

She's unable to think a logical, coherent thought.
Even when she's sober, apparently.
It's amazing.

18 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:47:49am

re: #9 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

THEY'VE GOT GIANT ANTS?!?!?!

I for one welcome our new insect overlords...

19 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:48:07am

re: #14 Killgore Trout

She has a new thread up attacking the group's spokesman because he's not a family member of a 9-11 victim.

And she is one herself? No....so by Geller's logic, doesn't that make her ineligible to speak for the 9/11 victims too?

What an insane an argument to make!

20 jaunte  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:48:11am

Socilaism.

21 BongCrodny  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:48:19am

This seems pretty repulsive to me.

These families aren't asking her to not hold a rally, only that she hold it on a day other than 9/11.

"Don't be silly! My ego is much more important than your feelings."

22 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:48:56am

Wow.
She basically told them to fuck off.
Wow.

23 Lidane  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:51:37am

Pam is only proving what the rest of us already knew. It's not about remembering the victims of 9/11 or honoring their memories. It's about exploiting 9/11 to fuel her hate-filled agenda.

How pathetic.

24 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:51:56am

re: #19 Surabaya Stew

And she is one herself? No...so by Geller's logic, doesn't that make her ineligible to speak for the 9/11 victims too?

What an insane an argument to make!

No no no...it makes sense to Geller, because only Geller is special enough to be the speaker for the dead.

I'm quite serious in what I wrote above about this. Look at it this way too: there are (at least) two archetypal roles for women: 1) the beautiful victim (perferably dead) and 2) defender of the weak: (a la mother, crusader, saint, etc).

Geller appoints herself as 2 as a way of legitimating her unhealthy fascination with 1.

25 lostlakehiker  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:53:55am

re: #15 iceweasel

Geller's psychological issues could no doubt keep several doctors busy for several years, but one has always stood out to me: her fetishistic love of violent death and especially the violent death of women. She fairly revels in it and the most gruesome images she can find, she loves the notion of female 'martyrdom' ---and most of all she's in love with herself as 'speaker for the dead'.

This surfaces whether she's raising money for a tombstone that a girl's family doesn't want, posting gruesome images, lingering over graphic descriptions of violence, --one of the binding themes is that Geller is somehow specially entitled, specially in tune, with what the dead really want and deserve.

Don't expect her to have any compassion for the real victims or their families if it upsets her agenda-- any more than she cared about the girl's family's wishes in that ridiculous tombstone crusade.

Part of the Orson Scott Card "Ender" series is the custom, in his hypothetical future, of funerals at which some one would serve as "speaker for the dead", and tell the story of the deceased's life. The good, the bad, the reasons why they did what they did, and sometimes, the reasons why they did what they shouldn't have done.

Such a custom would leave a lot of good people looking less like saints than we now tell it, and it would help us understand how some failures had a good side and maybe even meant well.

But Geller isn't into empathy. As "speaker for the dead", she'd be miscast. When she dies, whoever gets the job of "speaker" for her is going to have her work cut out for her.

Understanding is not the same as excusing, anyhow.

Using 9/11 as a prop to grab the limelight is inexcusable.

26 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:54:42am

re: #23 Lidane

Pam is only proving what the rest of us already knew. It's not about remembering the victims of 9/11 or honoring their memories. It's about exploiting 9/11 to fuel her hate-filled agenda.

How pathetic.

This is exactly what she's been accusing others of, of course. According to her Cordoba House is about 'exploiting' 9-11. Geller and Spencer base their lives on exploiting 9-11.

27 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:55:25am

re: #24 iceweasel

so she's one of thos "momma grizzlies" we've heard so much about.

28 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:55:36am

those even

29 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:56:34am

re: #24 iceweasel

No no no...it makes sense to Geller, because only Geller is special enough to be the speaker for the dead.

I'm quite serious in what I wrote above about this. Look at it this way too: there are (at least) two archetypal roles for women: 1) the beautiful victim (perferably dead) and 2) defender of the weak: (a la mother, crusader, saint, etc).

Geller appoints herself as 2 as a way of legitimating her unhealthy fascination with 1.

Where did Rosie the Riveter fit in? Or does she get her own archtype?

30 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:57:29am

re: #24 iceweasel

No no no...it makes sense to Geller, because only Geller is special enough to be the speaker for the dead.

I'm quite serious in what I wrote above about this. Look at it this way too: there are (at least) two archetypal roles for women: 1) the beautiful victim (preferably dead) and 2) defender of the weak: (a la mother, crusader, saint, etc).

Geller appoints herself as 2 as a way of legitimating her unhealthy fascination with 1.

Quite possibly so. Your guess is better than any I've seen proposed about what makes Pam tick. Thanks for your insight.

And with that, its back to work for me! TTFN, Lizards....

31 jaunte  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:57:44am

Geller doesn't even bother anymore to try to explain the underlying false assumption of her flag-draped hootenanny: that there is no difference between American Muslims and the terrorists that attacked the WTC.

32 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:57:47am

re: #29 EmmmieG

well according to todays CW among the right she'd just be a bull dyke

//

33 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:58:10am

Why am I not the least bit surprised at this utter hypocrisy?

34 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:58:29am

re: #25 lostlakehiker

Upding for the Orson Scott Card ref, but I'm not drawing a parallel to it. I can't think of a better phrase to capture what I mean.

Thing is, I have run across this before-- someone who claimed to 'speak for the victims', who insisted she and only she could determine what was 'appropriate' as a memorial for them, etc.

It's a woman who stalked/harassed various survivors groups of London's 7-7--who was not herself a survivor of 7-7.

She went to prison eventually.

Anyway--geller's own writings sort of remind me of hers.

35 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 9:59:47am

Sorry, ot

7.4 prelimary magnitude earthquake strikes New Zealand 4 miles from Christchurch - USGS [Link: bit.ly...]

36 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:01:15am

re: #35 Stanley Sea

Sorry, ot

7.4 prelimary magnitude earthquake strikes New Zealand 4 miles from Christchurch - USGS [Link: bit.ly...]

The earth, it is restless.

37 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:01:48am

re: #36 EmmmieG

The earth, it is restless.

It's the Balrog.

38 Lidane  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:02:07am

re: #32 Dreggas

well according to todays CW among the right she'd just be a bull dyke

//

She'd be tarred as an angry lesbian who's probably a union member and who voted Obama because she just wants a handout and a welfare check. =P

39 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:02:13am

re: #37 Varek Raith

It's the Balrog.

Why don't you stop poking it, then?

40 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:02:33am

re: #39 EmmmieG

Why don't you stop poking it, then?

Oh!
Whoops.

41 ShaunP  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:02:37am

re: #37 Varek Raith

It's the Balrog.

I thought g-d was unhappy with the gays or women were being too promiscuous or something...

42 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:03:15am

bbiab.

I have to take the Princess shoe shopping.

And before we get into stereotypes, she wore out her running shoes.

With colorguard, but still...

43 Jimmah  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:06:24am

re: #2 Walter L. Newton

Because your rally is ABOUT THE MOSQUE, not about the victims of 9/11 you idiot.

It's NOT A MOSQUE.

44 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:06:48am

re: #41 ShaunP

nah it's because they made it illegal to beat kids.

45 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:07:02am

obligatory // on my last post.

46 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:10:21am

re: #15 iceweasel

Geller's psychological issues could no doubt keep several doctors busy for several years, but one has always stood out to me: her fetishistic love of violent death and especially the violent death of women. She fairly revels in it and the most gruesome images she can find, she loves the notion of female 'martyrdom' ---and most of all she's in love with herself as 'speaker for the dead'.

This surfaces whether she's raising money for a tombstone that a girl's family doesn't want, posting gruesome images, lingering over graphic descriptions of violence, --one of the binding themes is that Geller is somehow specially entitled, specially in tune, with what the dead really want and deserve.

Don't expect her to have any compassion for the real victims or their families if it upsets her agenda-- any more than she cared about the girl's family's wishes in that ridiculous tombstone crusade.

Honestly, psychologically, and fetishisticly, there is such a thing as a pain and degradation slut. You know exactly what I mean by the term too.

47 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:11:07am

re: #46 LudwigVanQuixote

Honestly, psychologically, and fetishisticly, there is such a thing as a pain and degradation slut. You know exactly what I mean by the term too.

This looks a lot more complicated than that to me.

48 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:12:06am

re: #37 Varek Raith

It's the Balrog.

I was just re-reading Silmarillion.

Glen Beck makes a pitiful Morgoth and Geller could easily be an orc.

The tragedy is that such unworthy people have such sway. They are not even worthy foes, just pathetic opportunistic loons.

49 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:14:20am

re: #47 iceweasel

This looks a lot more complicated than that to me.

Of course it is. The ways that people get there are always complicated.

However, you have mentioned things that strongly fit a certain pattern. I think the hypothesis is reasonable. It may not be so, but it is certainly reasonable.

If she has not gone that far in reality, I would not be surprised if she had eating disorders and/or was a cutter.

She has a definite hatred of womanhood there and a definite fetish.

50 Gus  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:14:30am

Good news an kudos and accolades to these families for taking the high road.

Pam Geller is a monster.

51 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:14:54am

re: #39 EmmmieG

Why don't you stop poking it, then?

You may not touch my Balrog!

52 Gus  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:15:58am

Wingnuttery is a mental illness.

53 Jimmah  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:15:59am

re: #22 Varek Raith

Wow.
She basically told them to fuck off.
Wow.

Typical of her. She regularly calls Jews 'kapos' for failing to declare war on Islam/support the most extreme anti-Arab views.

54 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:16:07am

re: #50 Gus 802

Good news an kudos and accolades to these families for taking the high road.

Pam Geller is a monster.

hey gus! Hope the work you were looking into panned out (yesterday, I think? My time zones are screwy)

55 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:16:32am

re: #43 Jimmah

It's NOT A MOSQUE.

Because your rally is ABOUT THE BUILDING, not about the victims of 9/11 you idiot.

56 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:17:07am

re: #22 Varek Raith

Wow.
She basically told them to fuck off.
Wow.

Yes, they are not fitting her hateful narrative. It is an echo of Coulter.

How dare the people I am jingoistically trying to use as a rally cry for hatred and blind vengeance not be interested in hatred and blind vengeance themselves!

57 Gus  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:17:33am

re: #54 iceweasel

hey gus! Hope the work you were looking into panned out (yesterday, I think? My time zones are screwy)

Ice! Yeah, both did in fact. Had to do some "negotiating" with one. Now I'm behind schedule -- not exactly but almost if I don't keep up. ;)

58 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:17:55am

re: #53 Jimmah

Typical of her. She regularly calls Jews 'kapos' for failing to declare war on Islam/support the most extreme anti-Arab views.

Which is about as deeply offensive and insulting as one can get.

Unless one knows some Hebrew.

The word for her is Rasha.

Just plain and simple.

59 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:18:03am

re: #56 LudwigVanQuixote

Yes, they are not fitting her hateful narrative. It is an echo of Coulter.

How dare the people I am jingoistically trying to use as a rally cry for hatred and blind vengeance not be interested in hatred and blind vengeance themselves!

Coulter said some horrible things about some 9-11 widows as I recall.

60 Jimmah  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:18:35am

re: #55 Walter L. Newton

Because your rally is ABOUT THE BUILDING, not about the victims of 9/11 you idiot.

Because your rally is ABOUT YOUR HATE, not about the victims of 9/11 you idiot.

61 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:18:35am

re: #13 dreggas

Never let touchy-feely rememberance get in the way of a raging hatefest. After all getting all touchy-feely is the impotent, limp thing to do donchaknow?

//

Are we back to the limp thing?

62 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:18:40am

re: #57 Gus 802

Ice! Yeah, both did in fact. Had to do some "negotiating" with one. Now I'm behind schedule -- not exactly but almost if I don't keep up. ;)

Well, I gotta say, me working from 12am to 7am sure is fun!
///

63 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:18:41am

re: #57 Gus 802

Ice! Yeah, both did in fact. Had to do some "negotiating" with one. Now I'm behind schedule -- not exactly but almost if I don't keep up. ;)

Yaaay! Excellent! Best of luck! And how is the chassis?
{gus}

64 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:19:04am

re: #59 iceweasel

Coulter said some horrible things about some 9-11 widows as I recall.

For exactly the same sorts of reasons. Interestingly enough, both are skinny woman hating bitches, who have an over developed sense of how attractive they are.

65 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:19:31am

re: #61 b_sharp

Are we back to the limp thing?

You sir, I will love for your reference to Lady Ada somewhere the other day.

66 Gus  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:19:46am

re: #63 iceweasel

Yaaay! Excellent! Best of luck! And how is the chassis?
{gus}

Oh, that? Sleeping is rough so I have to gobble up loads of espresso roast to keep going.

67 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:20:13am

re: #17 reine.de.tout

She's unable to think a logical, coherent thought.
Even when she's sober, apparently.
It's amazing.

Are you trying to imply she is on occasion sober? Any facts to back that assertion up? Hmm?

68 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:21:11am

re: #20 jaunte

Socilaism.

What's that?

69 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:21:20am

re: #56 LudwigVanQuixote

She definitely has that "You don't know the secret plan...I DO!" It's almost a "To Serve man is a COOKBOOK!" type thing.

70 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:21:38am

So what was Pam's reaction the other day when Foxman basically disowned her? Is the head of the ADL a "kapo" in her mind now, too?

71 reine.de.tout  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:22:00am

re: #67 b_sharp

Are you trying to imply she is on occasion sober? Any facts to back that assertion up? Hmm?

heh.
Nope, not a one.

72 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:22:08am

re: #66 Gus 802

Oh, that? Sleeping is rough so I have to gobble up loads of espresso roast to keep going.

Erdos once said that coffee was a fule that mathematicians converted into theorems.

It makes you smarter.

Speaking of which, my espresso maker is calling!

73 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:22:12am

re: #24 iceweasel

No no no...it makes sense to Geller, because only Geller is special enough to be the speaker for the dead.

I'm quite serious in what I wrote above about this. Look at it this way too: there are (at least) two archetypal roles for women: 1) the beautiful victim (perferably dead) and 2) defender of the weak: (a la mother, crusader, saint, etc).

Geller appoints herself as 2 as a way of legitimating her unhealthy fascination with 1.

Nice analysis.

74 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:22:44am
75 Gus  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:22:46am

When you come down to it Pam Geller's protest isn't about the "Mosque", terrorism, 911 families, or anything else. It's about Pam Geller. We're talking about a seriously deranged narcissist here. YMMV

76 Mark Pennington  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:23:16am

I hope there is a huge backlash for this. There's a lot of people competing for the focus of the slimelight. In situations like this, the race goes to the extremest, whoever screams the loudest...gets the attention. Which opens the door too going too far, reaching that point when the American people look perplexed and say "WTF?"

And all those politicians pretend they never said any such thing, it was taken out of context, and it has nothing to do with the crucial, desperately important issue of funding YMCA's when they continue to be a recruiting ground for the homosexual agenda.... //

77 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:23:21am

re: #74 cajinmonk

I'm finished putting up with this crap. Go away.

78 brookly red  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:23:28am

that was quick...

79 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:23:38am

re: #68 b_sharp

What's that?

That's when you volunteer to help other people in memory of 9/11, instead of emotionally feeding off the corpses of the dead.

Appamelly.

80 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:23:43am

re: #73 b_sharp

Nice analysis.

Ohh by the way, on the last thread I finally broke down and found a bunch of quotes for NJDHockeyfan.

81 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:23:55am

Upding for "slimelight". I'm gonna have to borrow that one.

82 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:24:03am

re: #77 Charles

I took it as snark without the // *shrugs* sorry for updinging.

83 Gus  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:24:04am

re: #77 Charles

I'm finished putting up with this crap. Go away.

Thank you.

84 jaunte  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:24:49am

re: #68 b_sharp

See Killgore's quote from Pam in 16. It may be a new poiltcila thoery.

85 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:24:51am

re: #36 EmmmieG

The earth, it is restless.

Is she trying to shed the flies buzzing around her?

86 Winny Spencer  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:25:04am

re: #70 Cato the Elder

"So Abe Foxman had his lucid moment when he came out against the Ground Zero mega mosque, most uncharacteristically, and has now fallen back to his groveling, simpering lapdog panting to jihadists. Worming his way back in, he smears and libels those of us who are fighting for truth, justice and the American way. Mighty classy, dhimmi."

etc etc etc, more to be found on her scurrilous blog.

87 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:25:26am

re: #77 Charles

I'm finished putting up with this crap. Go away.

One of the things that has always perplexed me is projection. Actual, no holds barred, racists call those who hate racism racist.

88 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:25:59am

re: #86 Winny Spencer

"So Abe Foxman had his lucid moment when he came out against the Ground Zero mega mosque, most uncharacteristically, and has now fallen back to his groveling, simpering lapdog panting to jihadists. Worming his way back in, he smears and libels those of us who are fighting for truth, justice and the American way. Mighty classy, dhimmi."

etc etc etc, more to be found on her scurrilous blog.

Is that an actual quote from her?

89 Gus  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:26:00am

re: #16 Killgore Trout

Pam sez...


Socialism!

So now a "day of service" is considered "socialism"?

Like I said, mental illness.

90 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:26:22am

re: #46 LudwigVanQuixote

Honestly, psychologically, and fetishisticly, there is such a thing as a pain and degradation slut. You know exactly what I mean by the term too.

Shouldn't that be whore, not slut? Just askin'.

91 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:26:38am

re: #89 Gus 802

So now a "day of service" is considered "socialism"?

Like I said, mental illness.

Me helping the neighbors is socialism in her mind.

92 Winny Spencer  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:26:42am

re: #88 LudwigVanQuixote

Yep.

93 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:27:02am

re: #69 Dreggas

She definitely has that "You don't know the secret plan...I DO!" It's almost a "To Serve man is a COOKBOOK!" type thing.

Paranoid delusionals are like that.

94 Gus  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:27:17am

re: #91 Varek Raith

Me helping the neighbors is socialism in her mind.

Volunteer fire departments?!?

Socialism.

/

95 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:27:37am

re: #90 b_sharp

Shouldn't that be whore, not slut? Just askin'.

I am referring to members of a specific community, and that is the correct lingo.

96 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:27:57am

And here we go again: Mosque Investor Was Terror Contributor.

Except that, uh, he wasn't.

An Egyptian who's contributing some money to Park51 once donated money to the Holy Land Foundation -- before 9/11, years before it was known to be connected to Hamas, because he thought he was donating money for an orphanage.

Out of this information, Fox gets the headline that he was a "terror contributor."

Ugh.

97 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:27:57am

re: #91 Varek Raith

Me helping the neighbors is socialism in her mind.

Sort of weird Randian crap, isn't it? Altruism or helping anyone or volunteerism is SOCIALMALISM/EVIL!!

Wacko.

98 Gus  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:28:06am

Stopping to help someone fix their flat tire?

Socialism.

99 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:28:15am

re: #86 Winny Spencer

"So Abe Foxman had his lucid moment when he came out against the Ground Zero mega mosque, most uncharacteristically, and has now fallen back to his groveling, simpering lapdog panting to jihadists. Worming his way back in, he smears and libels those of us who are fighting for truth, justice and the American way. Mighty classy, dhimmi."

etc etc etc, more to be found on her scurrilous blog.

She actually said "truth, justice, and the American way"?

Isn't that patented?

100 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:28:18am

re: #94 Gus 802

Volunteer fire departments?!?

Socialism.

/

The military?
Sounds awfully socialist, if you ask me.
/

101 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:28:37am

re: #91 Varek Raith

Me helping the neighbors is socialism in her mind.

That must make Ben Franklin one of the biggest socialists in American History.
Volunteer fire departments
Lending Libraries
Scientist
etc. etc.

102 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:29:00am

re: #92 Winny Spencer

Yep.

I am completely not surprised.

She really has no redeeming features and is a prime example of the "sins that we did not personally commit" yet repent for as a community on Yom Kippur.

103 abolitionist  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:29:10am

re: #72 LudwigVanQuixote

Erdos once said that coffee was a fule that mathematicians converted into theorems.

It makes you smarter.

Speaking of which, my espresso maker is calling!

I recall reading something along those lines in The Man Who Loved Only Numbers, but he was referencing his own use of amphetamines. I don't doubt the quote about coffee and theorems, however.

104 Gus  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:29:16am

re: #100 Varek Raith

The military?
Sounds awfully socialist, if you ask me.
/

Especially if you consider the black berets of the US Army! Socialism!!11ty

105 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:29:55am

re: #96 Charles

And here we go again: Mosque Investor Was Terror Contributor.

Except that, uh, he wasn't.

An Egyptian who's contributing some money to Park51 once donated money to the Holy Land Foundation -- before 9/11, years before it was known to be connected to Hamas, because he thought he was donating money for an orphanage.


I thought one of the biggest investors was Saudi Prince Alaweed, one of the owners of Fox itself.

I think you should remind people of that.
Out of this information, Fox gets the headline that he was a "terror contributor."

Ugh.

106 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:30:08am

re: #104 Gus 802

Especially if you consider the black berets of the US Army! Socialism!!11ty

And don't get me started on the Enviro-whacko Green Berets!

107 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:30:37am

re: #86 Winny Spencer

"So Abe Foxman had his lucid moment when he came out against the Ground Zero mega mosque, most uncharacteristically, and has now fallen back to his groveling, simpering lapdog panting to jihadists. Worming his way back in, he smears and libels those of us who are fighting for truth, justice and the American way. Mighty classy, dhimmi."

etc etc etc, more to be found on her scurrilous blog.

She also says there's no difference between Abe Foxman and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

108 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:30:54am

re: #106 Varek Raith

And don't get me started on the Enviro-whacko Green Berets!

And those socialist Boy Scouts are forward enough to wear *red* ones!

109 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:30:56am

Alwaleed, not Alaweed.

110 Mark Pennington  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:30:58am

re: #76 beekiller

I hope there is a huge backlash for this. There's a lot of people competing for the focus of the slimelight. In situations like this, the race goes to the extremest, whoever screams the loudest...gets the attention. Which opens the door too going too far, reaching that point when the American people look perplexed and say "WTF?"

And all those politicians pretend they never said any such thing, it was taken out of context, and it has nothing to do with the crucial, desperately important issue of funding YMCA's when they continue to be a recruiting ground for the homosexual agenda... //

PIMF too=to

111 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:31:17am

re: #103 abolitionist

I recall reading something along those lines in The Man Who Loved Only Numbers, but he was referencing his own use of amphetamines. I don't doubt the quote about coffee and theorems, however.

Erdos was a nut job for such things. I have no idea if the quote is actually his, it may be anecdotal, but it is told as truth in physics departments around he world. Everyone I know attributes it to him.

112 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:31:34am

re: #109 Cato the Elder

Alwaleed, not Alaweed.

Though, some could certainly use some.

113 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:31:54am

re: #98 Gus 802

Stopping to help someone fix their flat tire?

Socialism.

If your tire goes flat, it's the result of your insufficient will.

If I see you in Death Valley and pick you up, my helping you to survive would just encourage you.

114 brookly red  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:32:03am

re: #108 oaktree

And those socialist Boy Scouts are forward enough to wear *red* ones!

don't get me started about the Guardian Angles...

115 Gus  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:32:08am

re: #112 Varek Raith

Though, some could certainly use some.

Alaweed 420™

116 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:32:49am

re: #104 Gus 802

Especially if you consider the black berets of the US Army! Socialism!!11ty

OH MY GOD-- ANARCHIST SOCIALISTS!11!

117 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:32:50am

re: #96 Charles

And here we go again: Mosque Investor Was Terror Contributor.

Except that, uh, he wasn't.

An Egyptian who's contributing some money to Park51 once donated money to the Holy Land Foundation -- before 9/11, years before it was known to be connected to Hamas, because he thought he was donating money for an orphanage.

Out of this information, Fox gets the headline that he was a "terror contributor."

Ugh.

IPT is pitching it:

But IPT’s Ray Locker claims even back then TV and newspapers were reporting suspicions of the group’s ties to terror. “If you gave money (to HLF) in 1999 you probably had some inkling that HLF was giving money to Hamas and therefore to terrorist operations,” Locker says.
118 Gus  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:33:09am

re: #113 iceweasel

If your tire goes flat, it's the result of your insufficient will.

If I see you in Death Valley and pick you up, my helping you to survive would just encourage you.


[Video]

Exactly. "Why there's nothing in them there Constertution that sez people will gets their cars fixed for free!!11ty.

119 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:33:16am

re: #65 iceweasel

You sir, I will love for your reference to Lady Ada somewhere the other day.

She had brains and more brains. That is a knockout combination.

120 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:33:40am

re: #108 oaktree

And those socialist Boy Scouts are forward enough to wear *red* ones!

That's why I dropped out of Brownies. The fascism. /

121 Gus  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:34:06am

re: #116 iceweasel

OH MY GOD-- ANARCHIST SOCIALISTS!11!

Coffee shop hipsters in the Lower Haight with black berets haz taken overs yer US Armies!

122 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:34:29am

re: #117 wrenchwench

It's a flat out witch hunt now. Everyone who donates money is going to have their entire past dug up, distorted, and used against them.

123 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:35:33am

re: #80 LudwigVanQuixote

Ohh by the way, on the last thread I finally broke down and found a bunch of quotes for NJDHockeyfan.

I shall go look.

124 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:35:58am

re: #121 Gus 802

Coffee shop hipsters in the Lower Haight with black berets haz taken overs yer US Armies!

The armies of the world are no match for our beat poetry! maaaan

125 Gus  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:36:25am

re: #124 iceweasel

The armies of the world are no match for our beat poetry! maaan

To the bongos! /

126 Jimmah  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:36:30am

re: #113 iceweasel

If your tire goes flat, it's the result of your insufficient will.

If I see you in Death Valley and pick you up, my helping you to survive would just encourage you.


[Video]

Heh. Reminds me of the Sarah Silverman episode where she refuses to offer a homeless person food and shelter because it would just make him "more homelessy".

127 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:37:26am

re: #125 Gus 802

To the bongos! /

Slightly amended.

/it's friday night here already!

128 Yashmak  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:37:33am

re: #2 Walter L. Newton

Because your rally is ABOUT THE MOSQUE, not about the victims of 9/11 you idiot.

No, I don't think that's it either. Judging from her behavior in this instance, it's about HER. Her and her hate. . . and nothing is going to stand in its way, not even the people she uses to rationalize her hate.

129 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:37:51am

re: #122 Charles

It's a flat out witch hunt now. Everyone who donates money is going to have their entire past dug up, distorted, and used against them.

They wanna play it as a Catch-22. When the names and backgrounds of those investing and donating aren't revealed, the "anti-mosque" crowd cries that they're "hiding" money coming in from "terrorists" and "criminals." When they do release the names, the same crowd digs up "proof" that the money is "dirty" and that accepting it is the same as supporting terrorism.

What's the last YMCA you heard of where people were demanding to know where the money for it was coming from? Of the last Jewish Community Center? But, of course, there's no bigotry in their opposition to this particular building...or the half dozen others around the nation that are being protested. *rolls eyes*

130 Henchman 25  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:37:53am

I think my right eye is twitching at this.

What the fuck is wrong with her?

131 Gus  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:38:11am

re: #126 Jimmah

Heh. Reminds me of the Sarah Silverman episode where she refuses to offer a homeless person food and shelter because it would just make him "more homelessy".

Yeah. Tough love is often just code for tightwad.

132 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:38:46am

re: #130 SteelPH

I think my right eye is twitching at this.

What the fuck is wrong with her?

My first guess would be "A lot."

133 Gus  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:38:53am

re: #130 SteelPH

I think my right eye is twitching at this.

What the fuck is wrong with her?

They're working on it at the Mayo Clinic.

134 brookly red  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:39:10am

re: #130 SteelPH

I think my right eye is twitching at this.

What the fuck is wrong with her?

I guess she just likes the attention...

simple fix, don't give her any. I love market solutions :)

135 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:39:24am

re: #114 brookly red

don't get me started about the Guardian Angles...

or IDF paratroopers (35th Brigade)...

136 Gus  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:39:51am

re: #133 Gus 802

They're working on it at the Mayo Clinic.

Although in this case it might be the Centers for Disease Control since it looks like Chronic Gelleritis has reached a pandemic stage.

137 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:39:55am

re: #134 brookly red

Yeah, ignoring her will make her go away.
Riiiggghhhttt...

138 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:40:58am

re: #136 Gus 802

Although in this case it might be the Centers for Disease Control since it looks like Chronic Gelleritis has reached a pandemic stage.

Impacted wingnut-- very difficult to remove.

139 Yashmak  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:41:00am

re: #128 Yashmak

re: #122 Charles

It's a flat out witch hunt now. Everyone who donates money is going to have their entire past dug up, distorted, and used against them.

Makes me want to donate money, just to watch them try to dig up proof that I support the imposition of Sharia law. "Ooh, his screen name is a Muslim word!" . . .morons.

140 brookly red  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:41:01am

re: #137 Varek Raith

Yeah, ignoring her will make her go away.
Riiiggghhhttt...

it would help.

141 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:41:02am

re: #134 brookly red

I guess she just likes the attention...

simple fix, don't give her any. I love market solutions :)

People who want attention don't stop when they don't get it. They ramp up their misbehavior until they do.

142 iossarian  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:41:05am

re: #118 Gus 802

Exactly. "Why there's nothing in them there Constertution that sez people will gets their cars fixed for free!!11ty.

And because it isn't in the constitution, enacting a law that provides for roadside assistance is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

143 Gus  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:41:59am

re: #138 iceweasel

Impacted wingnut-- very difficult to remove.

We'll try a stool wingnut softener first.

144 brookly red  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:42:23am

re: #141 Obdicut

People who want attention don't stop when they don't get it. They ramp up their misbehavior until they do.

you do have a point...

145 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:42:38am

re: #139 Yashmak

re: #122 Charles

Makes me want to donate money, just to watch them try to dig up proof that I support the imposition of Sharia law. "Ooh, his screen name is a Muslim word!" . . .morons.

Smear merchants never need proof. They will just accuse you of it.

146 Gus  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:43:07am

Please pick up after your dog wingnut.

/

147 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:43:37am

re: #143 Gus 802

We'll try a stool wingnut softener first.

Been tried. The resulting explosive diarrhea produced WorldNet Daily, Freak Republic and more. :(

148 brookly red  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:43:39am

re: #142 iossarian

And because it isn't in the constitution, enacting a law that provides for roadside assistance is UNCONSTITUTIONAL!

/roadside assistance falls under states rights.

149 Lidane  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:43:44am

re: #134 brookly red

Because ignoring the kind of unchecked idiocy and hatemongering that can get people hurt is such a good idea.

150 webevintage  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:45:33am

re: #31 jaunte

Geller doesn't even bother anymore to try to explain the underlying false assumption of her flag-draped hootenanny: that there is no difference between American Muslims and the terrorists that attacked the WTC.

Hootenanny...that is a great word.

This is amazing how fast she has turned on the families of 9/11 victims who do not support her and her 9/11 hootenanny.
Well not really amazing.
Actually I'm pretty sure we could have laid bets on it happening and won big.

Shorter Geller to 9/11 families.
Fuck off.

151 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:46:38am

geller has overplayed her hand this time ... her "15 minutes" are about to end.

152 Yashmak  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:47:12am

re: #145 LudwigVanQuixote

Smear merchants never need proof. They will just accuse you of it.

Oh don't I know it! Defending the theory of evolution on certain conservative sites got me labeled an ivory tower atheist. Arguing that government and/or a religious subset of society shouldn't be able to dictate to women on matters of choice got me called a latter-day Eichmann. Arguing that there might be some validity to AGW got me labelled a Gore crony and big government Trotskyite.

153 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:47:57am

re: #152 Yashmak

Oh don't I know it! Defending the theory of evolution on certain conservative sites got me labeled an ivory tower atheist. Arguing that government and/or a religious subset of society shouldn't be able to dictate to women on matters of choice got me called a latter-day Eichmann. Arguing that there might be some validity to AGW got me labelled a Gore crony and big government Trotskyite.

Hey!
I have an ivory tower.
I'm an atheist.
STOP PERSECUTING ME!!!
:)

154 Lidane  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:48:21am

re: #151 _RememberTonyC

geller has overplayed her hand this time ... her "15 minutes" are about to end.

Her 15 minutes should have ended years ago. Sadly, there are bigots and imbeciles out there who think she's right.

155 brookly red  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:48:21am

re: #151 _RememberTonyC

geller has overplayed her hand this time ... her "15 minutes" are about to end.

well yes, that is my point about not paying attention... "let's forget you better still".

156 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:48:23am

re: #151 _RememberTonyC

geller has overplayed her hand this time ... her "15 minutes" are about to end.

The question is, has too much damage been done? Can they go forward with the construction or have to accept moving it simply to shut up the wingnuts that she's stirred up?

157 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:48:31am

re: #14 Killgore Trout

She has a new thread up attacking the group's spokesman because he's not a family member of a 9-11 victim.

Tell me again, which family member of hers was a 9-11 victim?

158 Gus  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:49:13am
159 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:49:14am

re: #152 Yashmak

Oh don't I know it! Defending the theory of evolution on certain conservative sites got me labeled an ivory tower atheist. Arguing that government and/or a religious subset of society shouldn't be able to dictate to women on matters of choice got me called a latter-day Eichmann. Arguing that there might be some validity to AGW got me labelled a Gore crony and big government Trotskyite.

I am an Ivory Tower elitist, but not an atheist.

I am always astounded at how being educated is a sin for these morons and how being proud of ignorance is a badge of honor.

160 Jimmah  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:49:20am

FYI, in case anyone has noticed a "JimmyGlesga" posting on Harry's Place - [Link: hurryupharry.org...] - that person is NOT me. That person is an example of what most Glaswegians would call "an idiotic wee prune".

Sad to see the state of comments on that site generally. This is what happens when a blog posts lots of stories about Muslims, the Middle East, the BNP etc and employs only the most minimal control over the comments. It makes you appreciate the efforts Charles has made here to keep the blog's 'overton window' in the sane zone.

161 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:49:32am

re: #151 _RememberTonyC

geller has overplayed her hand this time ... her "15 minutes" are about to end.

Please G-d.

162 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:50:12am

re: #151 _RememberTonyC

geller has overplayed her hand this time ... her "15 minutes" are about to end.

I agree. More and more people are looking behind the façade and seeing the rotten ugly.

And the drunken spelling.

163 webevintage  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:50:25am
Public relations man Paine then spent the better part of the interminably long segment selling his 911 “day of service” socilaist nonsense

Because, you know, charitable acts are a bad thing.
/

164 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:50:36am

re: #154 Lidane

Her 15 minutes should have ended years ago. Sadly, there are bigots and imbeciles out there who think she's right.

yes .... but the tide is turning against her and soon she will only be left with fellow dregs ...

165 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:51:03am
166 Lidane  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:51:09am

re: #155 brookly red

Again -- it's easy to say that she'd go away if she was ignored. The problem, paradoxically, is that she HAS been ignored by the larger media, and she's now blatantly in league with the radical neo-Nazis of the EDL and far right fascists in Europe. That kind of hate needs to be exposed to the light and shown for what it is.

She's a bigot and a fascist and the more people who realize that her anti "9/11 mosque" idiocy is just a front for her hate of all Muslims, the better. Bigotry like that should never be ignored.

167 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:51:13am

re: #155 brookly red

well yes, that is my point about not paying attention... "let's forget you better still".

once she alienates the 9/11 families, she's cooked.

168 Yashmak  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:53:01am

re: #167 _RememberTonyC

once she alienates the 9/11 families, she's cooked.

I wish I could believe that. But there's ample record of her insane rants and rambling drowning out the more rational voices in our nation already. . . and the 9/11 families haven't exactly thrust themselves on the mass media like she does.

169 sliv_the_eli  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:53:25am

re: #135 oaktree

Given the disproportionate number of kibbutz members in elite units, that one would actually be correct.

/

170 cliffster  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:53:40am

CNN News Fail

Image: cnn_shuttle.jpg

171 Gus  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:53:50am

Yikes. I'm starting to drop letters again.

172 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:53:57am

re: #156 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

The question is, has too much damage been done? Can they go forward with the construction or have to accept moving it simply to shut up the wingnuts that she's stirred up?

i hope they go ahead with the construction if they have the money to do it. but maybe they'll sell the building, make a few million bucks on the deal, and build elsewhere. there may be people willing to buy the proposed building and give the developers a sweet price for it.

173 cliffster  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:54:35am

re: #171 Gus 802

Yikes. I'm starting to drop letters again.

been losin' time, gus?

174 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:54:37am

re: #158 Gus 802

This is hilarious. Picture of Bill Keller:

Image: bill-keller-liveprayer-cropped-proto-custom_2.jpg

From: Birthermercial Producer Wants A '9/11 Christian Center' At Ground Zero

"Keller, who has served time for insider trading and has a degree from Jerry Falwell's Liberty University, said in a video about his new efforts that it's "God's Answer to the 'mosque at ground zero.'"

Jerry Falwell - check.

Felon - check.

Talks to God - check.

Meet the new right-wing ideal man.

175 Lidane  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:54:41am

re: #164 _RememberTonyC

yes ... but the tide is turning against her and soon she will only be left with fellow dregs ...

I was saying that about Alex Jones years ago. He's still around, and is arguably more influential now than he was then, especially since Fox News has embraced him.

176 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:55:00am

re: #170 cliffster

CNN News Fail

Image: cnn_shuttle.jpg

So what.
Everyone know the shuttle has a warp drive.

177 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:55:22am

re: #163 webevintage

Because, you know, charitable acts are a bad thing.
/

Well according to Rush, Beck and Palin, anyone who believes in social justice is a socialist and you have to watch out for clergy who preach such things.

After all, feeding the poor or helping the needy might be something Moses or Jesus might do.

Damn long haired hippies!

178 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:55:46am

re: #168 Yashmak

I wish I could believe that. But there's ample record of her insane rants and rambling drowning out the more rational voices in our nation already. . . and the 9/11 families haven't exactly thrust themselves on the mass media like she does.


give it some time ... the more she opens her mouth, the less credibility she displays.

179 _RememberTonyC  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:57:00am

re: #175 Lidane

I was saying that about Alex Jones years ago. He's still around, and is arguably more influential now than he was then, especially since Fox News has embraced him.

then CNN should do a story on him and give the other side.

180 sliv_the_eli  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:57:26am

re: #159 LudwigVanQuixote

For some, it is jealousy of another person's achievements. For others, however, it is the all too accurate understanding that the better educated often assume they are necessarily more intelligent and therefore have the right to impose their view of the world on others.

181 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:57:37am

Conversation at the Jimmah-Ice Lair, two minutes ago:

Jimmah: Has anyone considered the possibility that Geller is trying to make her mark before her face completely disintegrates? She's got a small window of opportunity that may already have passed

iceweasel: That's why the protest can't be put off til 9-12. The scaffolding holding her face up is about to collapse.

(we are much, much meaner than what we usually type here. :) )

182 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:58:38am

re: #172 _RememberTonyC

i hope they go ahead with the construction if they have the money to do it. but maybe they'll sell the building, make a few million bucks on the deal, and build elsewhere. there may be people willing to buy the proposed building and give the developers a sweet price for it.

Think that will just bring more howling from the wingnuts. Accusations that they were never "serious" about constructing Park51, that it was all a stunt to drive up the price, that all the talk about "building bridges" as hogwash, and that those involved (especially Rauf) played supporters (particularly 9/11 families) for suckers to make millions for their "terrorist buddies."

183 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 10:59:30am

re: #181 iceweasel

Conversation at the Jimmah-Ice Lair, two minutes ago:

Jimmah: Has anyone considered the possibility that Geller is trying to make her mark before her face completely disintegrates? She's got a small window of opportunity that may already have passed

iceweasel: That's why the protest can't be put off til 9-12. The scaffolding holding her face up is about to collapse.

(we are much, much meaner than what we usually type here. :) )

Recent photos prove it's true, though!

184 Targetpractice  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 11:00:23am

re: #176 Varek Raith

So what.
Everyone know the shuttle has a warp drive.

Ix-nay, IX-NAY! You wanna get slapped down again for violating the Prime Directive?

//

185 webevintage  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 11:04:29am

re: #167 _RememberTonyC

once she alienates the 9/11 families, she's cooked.

It seems not to matter.
Coulter and Beck both went after the families (widows?) of 9/11 victims and they are still around.

186 ryannon  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 11:04:54am

My excuses for going OT, but some of you might find this petition worth signing:

Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, a 43 year old mother of two, was convicted in May 2006 of having an “illicit relationship” with two men and received 99 lashes as her sentence. Despite already having been punished, she has now been further convicted of “adultery” and she and sentenced to death by stoning.

She is currently being held on death row in Tabriz Prison, north-west Iran, and faces imminent execution. Around July 7th , following international protests, officials in Tabriz asked the head of Iran’s judiciary to agree that her sentence of stoning to death be converted to execution by hanging.

On 10 July, the head of Iran’s High Council for Human Rights said that her case would be reviewed, although he affirmed that Iranian law permits execution by stoning.

On 14 July Sajjad Qaderzadeh, Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani’s son, was summoned to Tabriz’s Central Prison, and is believed to have been questioned by Ministry of Intelligence officials who possibly threatened him not to give further interviews about his mother’s case.

It is clear Sakineh remains ingrave risk… PLEASE sign this petition which calls on the Iranian authorities to clarify her current legal status, demands that the authorities enact legislation that bans stoning as a legal punishment, and eliminates other forms of the death penalty for “adultery” such as fogging or imprisonment.

Already a quarter of a million signatures on this site (there are several others). Hoping you'll want to add yours:

[Link: freesakineh.org...]

187 ryannon  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 11:16:25am
188 elbruce  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 11:20:06am

As a point of fact, the Park51 project includes a 9/11 memorial:

Facilities

Park51 will grow into a world-class community center, planned to include the following facilities:
outstanding recreation spaces and fitness facilities (swimming pool, gym, basketball court)
a 500-seat auditorium
a restaurant and culinary school
cultural amenities including exhibitions
education programs
a library, reading room and art studios
childcare services
a mosque, intended to be run separately from Park51 but open to and accessible to all members, visitors and our New York community
a September 11th memorial and quiet contemplation space, open to all


So Geller's opposing a 9/11 memorial being built, on 9/11.

189 BongCrodny  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 11:27:16am

re: #99 Cato the Elder

She actually said "truth, justice, and the American way"?

Isn't that patented?

Look! Up in the sky!

From Wikipedia:

"An influence on early Superman stories is the context of the Great Depression. The left-leaning perspective of creators Shuster and Siegel is reflected in early storylines. Superman took on the role of social activist, fighting crooked businessmen and politicians and demolishing run-down tenements. This is seen by comics scholar Roger Sabin as a reflection of "the liberal idealism of Franklin Roosevelt's New Deal", with Shuster and Siegel initially portraying Superman as champion to a variety of social causes."


There's some serious disconnect between Pammy's use of "truth, justice and the American way" and the man himself.

190 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 11:30:51am

re: #152 Yashmak

Oh don't I know it! Defending the theory of evolution on certain conservative sites got me labeled an ivory tower atheist. Arguing that government and/or a religious subset of society shouldn't be able to dictate to women on matters of choice got me called a latter-day Eichmann. Arguing that there might be some validity to AGW got me labelled a Gore crony and big government Trotskyite.

Where was that, FR?

191 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 11:38:01am

re: #159 LudwigVanQuixote

I am an Ivory Tower elitist, but not an atheist.

I am always astounded at how being educated is a sin for these morons and how being proud of ignorance is a badge of honor.

Because common sense is both their mantra and their idol. They cannot get past their own gut feelings and sometimes science runs counter to those gut feelings. Education makes people believe foolish things that are countered by what is self evident in their world.

192 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 11:39:50am

re: #161 LudwigVanQuixote

Please G-d.

Since it ain't God that has given her her 15 minutes, perhaps you should be asking your big guy to smarten up the morons extending her 15 minutes.

193 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 11:41:02am
194 b_sharp  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 11:42:11am

re: #180 sliv_the_eli

For some, it is jealousy of another person's achievements. For others, however, it is the all too accurate understanding that the better educated often assume they are necessarily more intelligent and therefore have the right to impose their view of the world on others.

Yet, if you suggest they ask their mechanic to do a root canal on them, they call you crazy.

195 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 11:43:40am

re: #193 oklahoma

So you have no opinion on Geller telling these 9/11 families to fuck off?
Figures.

196 oklahoma  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 11:48:10am

re: #195 Varek Raith

I'm not sure why you have to get all hateful.

197 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 11:49:40am
198 jaunte  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 11:50:07am

re: #197 oklahoma

That's just dopey.

199 [deleted]  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 11:50:19am
200 BARACK THE VOTE  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 11:50:34am

re: #198 jaunte

That's just dopey.

Obvious troll is too dang obvious.

201 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 11:50:43am

Damn.
Shouldn't have quoted that.
Sorry, Charles.

202 oklahoma  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 11:50:50am

re: #199 Varek Raith

Not sure what it takes to get along here.

203 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 11:51:55am

re: #202 oklahoma

For one, you could start by not assuming I want anyone beheaded.
Then again, you're doing this on purpose.

204 oklahoma  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 11:53:26am

re: #203 Varek Raith

For one, you could start by not assuming I want anyone beheaded.
Then again, you're doing this on purpose.

Well, I think fuck you troll might have been a tad strong for somewhat of a joke.

205 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 11:55:09am

re: #204 oklahoma

That was me being nice.
Now, kindly piss off.

206 oklahoma  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 11:55:43am

re: #205 Varek Raith

That was me being nice.
Now, kindly piss off.

OK

207 Romantic Heretic  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 12:13:18pm

re: #197 oklahoma

After all I did suggest she get beheaded along with Wilders. I thought you might cheer at that.

You'd be wrong about that. From my point of view the difference between Pam Geller and the Muslim cleric in the article you linked is rather like the difference between a water mocassin and a copperhead.

Both are venomous snakes.

208 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 12:27:21pm

Typical Geller and people like her. Use the 9-11 families as your argument to promote your cause and then when they disagree with you, act like an asshole to them. You stay classy San Diego.

209 Yashmak  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 1:01:21pm

re: #190 b_sharp

Where was that, FR?

Malkin's blog.

210 deranged cat  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 1:11:43pm

re: #96 Charles

And here we go again: Mosque Investor Was Terror Contributor.

Except that, uh, he wasn't.

An Egyptian who's contributing some money to Park51 once donated money to the Holy Land Foundation -- before 9/11, years before it was known to be connected to Hamas, because he thought he was donating money for an orphanage.

Out of this information, Fox gets the headline that he was a "terror contributor."

Ugh.

by that logic, Fox News is also funded by a terror contributor (Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal)

211 Eclectic Infidel  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 1:14:17pm

re: #11 Charles

Notice that the Geller-thing doesn't even try to be diplomatic about it.

These are the people she pretends to be speaking for, and she tells them to get lost.

Technically, she's not speaking for those who oppose her agenda.

Thanks Charles, for continually pointing out the prejudice behind Geller's crusade.

212 non obama mama  Fri, Sep 3, 2010 1:31:34pm

I have not gone on this blog for quite some time, because of disagreements I have had with it.

But Charles, on this one you are dead on balls accurate.

Pamela Geller's behavior over all this has sickened me. She claims to care about 'sensitivities,' but she has lied and mislead and smeared her opponents.

Seriously, someone in the media needs to do a thorough expose.

213 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 4, 2010 12:55:32pm

re: #29 EmmmieG

Where did Rosie the Riveter fit in? Or does she get her own archtype?

Rosie is the spunky but feminine and self-sacrificing woman who takes on a man's job ONLY because the man is doing something more important. Number 2, if you accept Ice's basic division.

214 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 4, 2010 1:06:44pm

re: #89 Gus 802

So now a "day of service" is considered "socialism"?

Like I said, mental illness.

Yes. There are lots of people who resent the idea that the government will take their money for what they see as 'charitable purposes', who will gladly donate lots to charity.

I don't agree, practically speaking, but they clearly have good moral character.

Then there's the Ayn Rand/psychotic break people, who not only hate the idea of government 'redistribution of wealth', but consider that any private person collecting for charity or asking people to serve others voluntarily is a radical socialist.

That's Geller.

215 SanFranciscoZionist  Sat, Sep 4, 2010 1:08:05pm

re: #102 LudwigVanQuixote

I am completely not surprised.

She really has no redeeming features and is a prime example of the "sins that we did not personally commit" yet repent for as a community on Yom Kippur.

Sigh.

Thank you for reminding me.


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