“I believe it’s extremists who are, want to make a statement"

hard to argue that

What the hell.

We are going back in time.

Sadly, stuff like this is all too common.

[Link: www.prochoice.org...]

[Link: articles.latimes.com...]

cowards utilizing a cowardly attack.At least the list of suspects is short,and have probably made themselves known by previous actions.

re: #4 Boondock St. Bender

Unfortunately, many in the community support this sort of violence and vandalism. Rudolph managed to evade police for five years, and while he was in the wilderness for a lot of that, the FBI thinks he had help.

This is the weekend that Pro-Christian Terrorist agitator is holding his rally in Sacramento

Call And Response: Religious Right Rallies To Fire Up Base For November Elections

On Sept. 3-4, Lou Engle, the raspy-voiced founder of the neo-Pentecostal group TheCall, will lead the initial event in Sacramento. “Faithful Christians” will gather to pray for the “sanctity of life,” the “sacredness of marriage,” and the “preservation of religious liberty.”

The same man who praised Timothy McVeigh and Scott Roeder.

Hope they find the bastard. There shouldn't be any tolerance for actions like these. Punish them to the fullest extent of the law(s) applicable.

What new breed of devilry is this?

re: #8 jamesfirecat

What new breed of devilry is this?

Nothing new about it.

re: #5 Obdicut

i'm sure,at least in these cases you know who to keep an eye on.

re: #6 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

One step away from wanting to burn witches...
hopefully,this kind of nonsense will fade away

The nutcases have been busy lately. The Tn mosque arson, Florida pipe bomb attack on mosque, NY taxi driver stabbing, the Discovery Channel hostage situation, and now this.

re: #12 NJDhockeyfan

The nutcases have been busy lately. The Tn mosque arson, Florida pipe bomb attack on mosque, NY taxi driver stabbing, the Discovery Channel hostage situation, and now this.

Why do you think the person who tried to burn down the clinic is insane?

Anti-gay zealot Lou Engle teams up with Mike Huckabee and Newt Gingrich

With dangerous rhetoric like ”God is an avenger of blood” and “vengeance is mine,” Lou Engle is scheduled to gather thousands of like-minded believers in Sacramento, California, over Labor Day weekend to preach his virulently anti-gay message.

Engle’s political connection to Sam Brownback, Senator from Kansas, prompted the Kansas Democratic Party in May 2010 to urge Brownback to denounce his affiliation with Engle because Engle supported Uganda’s proposed law to execute gays. Now Engle has been endorsed by Newt Gingrich and Mike Huckabee along with a list of top anti-LGBT religious leaders.

I bet limbaugh is going to say it was an abortion of the clinics building or some ignorant shit like that, cause that's what he does

I live and work around religious nuts on a daily basis. Trust me, this is what they want and they have no problem with it. Violence done in God's name is perfectly acceptable in their eyes. Now, where else have I heard that?...

re: #13 Obdicut

Why do you think the person who tried to burn down the clinic is insane?

Did I say that?

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Anti-gay zealot Lou Engle teams up with Mike Huckabee and Newt Gingrich

Does he always rock back and forth like that? He should get that looked at...

re: #15 ihateronpaul

Has he said anything like that in support of bombing of abortion clinics? I don't recall ever hearing something like that.

If he did, it is reprehensible...

re: #17 NJDhockeyfan

Did I say that?

Sorry, you called him a nutcase, and compared him to the discovery institute guy, who's pretty clearly insane.

I feel thhere are very large differences between the people who are ideologically committed to violence, like Jihadists and anti-abortion arsonists, and those who are actually mentally ill.

re: #14 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Anti-gay zealot Lou Engle teams up with Mike Huckabee and Newt Gingrich

Weirdos.

re: #20 Obdicut

I dunno... I think anyone who does anything like this is partially insane.

re: #16 tnguitarist

I live and work around religious nuts on a daily basis. Trust me, this is what they want and they have no problem with it. Violence done in God's name is perfectly acceptable in their eyes. Now, where else have I heard that?...

THE METHODISTS!!11!!1!eleventy!1

re: #22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I dunno... I think anyone who does anything like this is at the least partially insane.

(forgot that)

re: #21 Gus 802

Weirdos.

Epic understatement is epic!
(I'm a weirdo, these guys are batshit kooky)
:)

re: #20 Obdicut

Sorry, you called him a nutcase, and compared him to the discovery institute guy, who's pretty clearly insane.

I feel thhere are very large differences between the people who are ideologically committed to violence, like Jihadists and anti-abortion arsonists, and those who are actually mentally ill.

So you've already solved this crime? You better call the police and let them know!

/I usually wait until they at least mention who the suspect is before drawing conclusions.

Of course we could be jumping the gun and those violent, pro-life atheist terrorists could be behind the whole thing.

re: #22 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I dunno... I think anyone who does anything like this is partially insane.

To me, that's the moral relativism that says any criminal inspired by ideology or hatred must be crazy. I don't find that useful, nor do I think it's true. I think that there are people who are ideologically committed to things that an ordinary person may find 'crazy', but that that person is not actually mentally ill in any way. Just full of hate.

lemme get this straight...
allowing gays to "marry"degrades the institution...
but newties revolving door commitment to his wives doesn't...
ok then

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Of course we could be jumping the gun and those violent, pro-life atheist terrorists could be behind the whole thing.

It could be Darth Vader for all we know.
/

re: #26 NJDhockeyfan

So you feel that an abortion clinic was firebombed by a pro-choice advocate?

re: #29 Boondock St. Bender

lemme get this straight...
allowing gays to "marry"degrades the institution...
but newties revolving door commitment to his wives doesn't...
ok then

If you drink about 12 gallons of Jack Daniels then it begins to make sense.

/

re: #26 NJDhockeyfan

So you've already solved this crime? You better call the police and let them know!

/I usually wait until they at least mention who the suspect is before drawing conclusions.

When a group has a known history of such acts, they do make a likely starting point when investigating.

re: #28 Obdicut

i wonder if being filled with enough hate to do something like this could be termed a mental illness.

re: #25 Varek Raith

"In technical terminology, he's a loon."
-Dr. Silberman, The Terminator

re: #31 Obdicut

So you feel that an abortion clinic was firebombed by a pro-choice advocate?

I have no idea who did it. Have the police given a description of who they are looking for?

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Of course we could be jumping the gun and those violent, pro-life atheist terrorists could be behind the whole thing.

So true. I was thinking it might have been an atheist, pro-abortion feminist. Happens all the time.

/

Either that or Barney.

That purple bastard.

/

re: #30 NJDhockeyfan

It could be Darth Vader for all we know.
/

True, it could be a revenge thing. What kind of doctor would get away with "She lost the will to live" during a child birth? Vader has a legitmate grievance there.

re: #37 Gus 802

So true. I was thinking it might have been an atheist, pro-abortion feminist. Happens all the time.

/

No. It was these guys.
Image: kkktolerance.png

re: #19 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

Has he said anything like that in support of bombing of abortion clinics? I don't recall ever hearing something like that.

If he did, it is reprehensible...

no, he hasn't, but he always makes a point of downplaying right wing extremism. however, ann coulter said basically that about george tiller

re: #34 Boondock St. Bender

i wonder if being filled with enough hate to do something like this could be termed a mental illness.

I don't feel there's anything physically wrong with the structures in their brains. I feel that they have convinced themselves, through the use of their human consciousness, that they are good and whoever it is they hate are evil.

I think that's free will, not insanity. To me, saying that they're mentally ill lets them off easy. When you've got someone like the guy who dove his plane into the ground in Vegas, with notebooks full of incoherent, contradictory rambling, I think that can be called crazy. But I do think there are a lot of people that do terribly violent, horrible things without being the least bit mentally ill.

re: #37 Gus 802

that's why the police conduct an investigation.follow the facts,eliminate the innocent,focus on who's left.

re: #40 Varek Raith

No. It was these guys.
Image: kkktolerance.png

These are my other suspects.

re: #36 NJDhockeyfan

I have no idea who did it. Have the police given a description of who they are looking for?

I suspect they're looking for someone who wanted to firebomb an abortion clinic.

Like someone who's an anti-abortion fanatic.

What do you think the odds are that this was a random incident of arson, unrelated to anti-abortion views?

re: #33 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

When a group has a known history of such acts, they do make a likely starting point when investigating.

Yep. It's like when a predominately black church gets firebombed, pretty much everyone zeros in on the KKK. Or when Jewish cemeteries get desecrated, everyone thinks Neo-Nazis did it. When one group has a history of attacking a certain target, that group will come under greater scrutiny than if some other object/persons was attacked.

Of course, this could just be a genestealer cult seeking to destabilize us in advance of the Hive Fleets arrival.

I'm just saying...

re: #42 Obdicut
exellent point

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Of course, this could just be a genestealer cult seeking to destabilize us in advance of the Hive Fleets arrival.

I'm just saying...

!
(Dammit! He's on to us!)

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Of course, this could just be a genestealer cult seeking to destabilize us in advance of the Hive Fleets arrival.

I'm just saying...

That's always another possibility.

Aliens.

re: #49 Varek Raith

!
(Dammit! He's on to us!)

I welcome our Tyranid Overlords.

re: #45 Obdicut

I suspect they're looking for someone who wanted to firebomb an abortion clinic.

Like someone who's an anti-abortion fanatic.

What do you think the odds are that this was a random incident of arson, unrelated to anti-abortion views?

I know exactly as much as you do about the attack. That would be ZERO. Whoever did it I hope they catch them quickly and lock them up for a very long time.

re: #52 NJDhockeyfan

You are seriously taking the position that there is no reason to assume that the firebombing of an abortion clinic was due to whoever did it wanting to firebomb an abortion clinic?

Wow.

re: #53 Obdicut

Maybe the 9/11 terrorists just hated skyscrapers.

re: #53 Obdicut

You are seriously taking the position that there is no reason to assume that the firebombing of an abortion clinic was due to whoever did it wanting to firebomb an abortion clinic?

Wow.

It's not like there's some kind of history involving this sort of thing...

re: #53 Obdicut

How did you read that from his comment?

So, I guess the question is whether the American Nationalist Brotherhood does abortion clinics as well as mosques, or whether these are unrelated extremist groups both operating in and around Madera, CA.

re: #54 Obdicut

Maybe the 9/11 terrorists just hated skyscrapers.

They give me vertigo.

re: #53 Obdicut

You are seriously taking the position that there is no reason to assume that the firebombing of an abortion clinic was due to whoever did it wanting to firebomb an abortion clinic?

Wow.

Perhaps someone was just trying to transport some gasoline in a bottle when it suddenly caught fire. In a panic, he threw the bottle away and whoops, it hit the abortion clinic.

That could be it.

re: #57 SanFranciscoZionist

Helluva question, that.

re: #39 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

True, it could be a revenge thing. What kind of doctor would get away with "She lost the will to live" during a child birth? Vader has a legitmate grievance there.

Well Vader did avoid jail time during his lightsaber attack of the Jedi church founder a few years ago. He might have stopped attending his anger management classes recently.

re: #58 Varek Raith

They give me vertigo.

I hate it when they move around.

Same group? I can't imagine what their mission statement must be like.

re: #56 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How did you read that from his comment?

What I am saying:

It's reasonable to assume that the person who firebombed an abortion clinic was ideologically motivated, given the history of anti-abortion fanatics firebombing abortion clinics.

What he is saying:

No it's not. We don't know anything.

re: #62 Gus 802

I hate it when they move around.

That too. Most unsettling.

re: #61 NJDhockeyfan

Well Vader did avoid jail time during his lightsaber attack of the Jedi church founder a few years ago. He might have stopped attending his anger management classes recently.

The Emperor supervised his community service though, so its cool.

re: #62 Gus 802

I hate it when they move around.

re: #65 Varek Raith

That too. Most unsettling.

Pussies.

re: #67 JasonA

re: #65 Varek Raith

Pussies.

ZZZAAAPPP!

re: #63 Crimsonfisted

Same group? I can't imagine what their mission statement must be like.

"We are very angry. We smash."

re: #67 JasonA

re: #65 Varek Raith

Pussies.

Meow!

re: #32 Gus 802

If you drink about 12 gallons of Jack Daniels then it begins to make sense.

/

Share please! I'll take a gallon.
/hiccup!

re: #64 Obdicut

I agree that it was done by an anti-abortion nutcase.

I also agree that we know nothing at this point.

But, NJ was right, at this point? They don't know diddly.

OT... can't wait another second...

The boyfriend was discharged from the hospital yesterday, and is home.

Domestic. Fuckin'. Terrorism. Charge these people the same way we'd charge someone from Al Qaeda trying to bomb a hotel. Never let them see the light of day again, and we'll see how many people try following in their footsteps.

re: #15 ihateronpaul

this won't even hit limbaugh's radar

he's got bigger fish to Frie

"Between religion's "this is" and poetry's "but suppose this is," there must always be some kind of tension, until the possible and the actual meet at infinity."
-- Northrop Frye

re: #72 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

We know an abortion clinic was firebombed.

What I am saying is that it is reasonable to assume that an anti-abortion fanatic is responsible.

NJ had a problem with me saying that. I don't know why.

re: #74 darthstar

Domestic. Fuckin'. Terrorism. Charge these people the same way we'd charge someone from Al Qaeda trying to bomb a hotel. Never let them see the light of day again, and we'll see how many people try following in their footsteps.

Send them to Gitmo and waterboard them! I have no problems with that.

re: #73 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That's great. I hope his parents can provide him the support he needs and he is as comfortable as possible. Sounds like a fighter; I hope he continues to beat all expectations.

re: #73 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

OT... can't wait another second...

The boyfriend was discharged from the hospital yesterday, and is home.

So his infection cleared up?
Awesome.

re: #72 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

jumping to conclusions is never a good idea.
of course,the anti-abortion types are going to top the suspect list at this point.
An investigation hopefully will find out "who done it"
(There is always a small possibility that someone with a grudge did this,be it disgruntled employee,someone with a personal axe to grind etc.)

re: #76 Obdicut

"an anti-abortion fanatic "

thank you

re: #81 spikester

For what?

Obviously the work of those troublesome Sufis!!
/

re: #81 spikester

"fanatic"

re: #84 spikester

"fanatic"

Can you try to actually explain what you're saying, instead of being cryptic?

Why are you saying 'thank you' for me saying 'fanatic'?

re: #84 spikester

"fanatic"

You can't spell FANTASTIC! without fanatic.

re: #77 NJDhockeyfan

Send them to Gitmo and waterboard them! I have no problems with that.

No, idiot. Lock them up and try them on terror charges. That way people who are associated with them will get the message that we don't tolerate that kind of behavior in this country. I don't care if it's an impressionable 18 year old who goes to an evangelical church trying to "save babies" or a fire-bug who just picked the building at random. Lock the fucker up, don't give him the kind of positive coverage Roederer (Dr.Tiller's killer) got, and if the Bachmanns and Becks and O'Reilleys want to defend him, let them...

okay...beach time.

re: #82 Obdicut

you admit that the nut job that did this is a fanatic there for not main stream

re: #34 Boondock St. Bender

i wonder if being filled with enough hate to do something like this could be termed a mental illness.

I regard them as addicts, as prone to erratic behaviour in the quest for their hits as any crackhead or junkie. Because this act was them getting a big hit.

Where ever they are hiding they're giggling madly, stoned out of their gourds.

re: #86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

re: #86 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

You can't spell FANTASTIC! without fanatic.

not sure but i think the root of FANTASTIC is fantasy
and are not fanatics rooted in some sort of fantasy?

re: #89 spikester

you admit that the nut job that did this is a fanatic there for not main stream

When did I ever say he was 'mainstream'? I didn't. At all. You made that up-- I have no clue why.

What I am saying:

People who are so ideologically committed to a cause they rationalize violent crime in the pursuit of that crime are not necessarily insane-- not even usually insane. Muslim fanatics are not insane. IRA members are not insane. Basque separatists are not insane. Abortion clinic bombers are not insane.

Fanatic does not equate to insanity.

re: #90 Romantic Heretic

i remember reading a similar thing about serial killers.
very interesting take on what makes some folks tick.

re: #92 Obdicut

didn't mean to imply that you did
no offense meant

Bombing clinics, smashing religious building's windows... What right-wing violence? ///

If they want to paint all muslims with a broad brush, then don't be offended when the brush paints back the other way.

Why aren't there strong morally conservative voices coming out and explicitly condemning violence and those that perpetrate it? I feel like the right is becoming a lot like a lot of apologists in the Middle East... "sure suicide bombing is wrong, but you have to understand there's a lot of frustration" or "I don't condemn violence, but I do understand where they're coming from"

It's bullshit. Moral people - and these are the people claiming to be the most moral - need to stand up, state unequivocally that this is unacceptable.

re: #47 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Of course, this could just be a genestealer cult seeking to destabilize us in advance of the Hive Fleets arrival.

I'm just saying...

Good thing I oiled up my chainsword today.

re: #35 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"In technical terminology, he's a loon."
-Dr. Silberman, The Terminator

CHASE
My opinion. This letter writer is a

total wacko.

BRUCE

Wacko? That a technical term?

CHASE

Patient apparently suffers from

acute obsessional syndrome with

potential homicidal styles. Work

better for you?

BRUCE

So what you're saying, this guy's a

total wacko, right?

re: #95 Cineaste

And the people committing these crimes aren't living in a war-torn area with low access to education, war orphans, and refugees. They're in a rich, free, well-educated country.

re: #76 Obdicut

We know an abortion clinic was firebombed.

What I am saying is that it is reasonable to assume that an anti-abortion fanatic is responsible.

NJ had a problem with me saying that. I don't know why.

No, that's fine if that's who you believe did it. I just won't automatically assume it was a certain person until I see all the facts. There was a director of an abortion clinic arrested for making up a story about finding bombs inside her building. I won't automatically assume that's what happened here either.

OT from the desk of Pamz:

While we respect the rights and opinions of others, we feel that no one should attempt to inhibit the expression of free speech for the large number of 9/11 family members who wish to participate in opposing the construction of this mosque and cultural center. This project represents a gross lack of sensitivity to the 9/11 families and disrespects the memory of all those who were murdered at the WTC both in 1993 and 2001.

In summary: Respect our 1st Amendment right to complain about the Muslims' 1st Amendment right.

re: #99 NJDhockeyfan

How many times have investigations shown that an anti-abortion fanatic actually bombed a clinic, and how many investigations have shown that it was a false report? What's the percentage?

re: #75 spikester

this won't even hit limbaugh's radar

he's got bigger fish to Frie

"Between religion's "this is" and poetry's "but suppose this is," there must always be some kind of tension, until the possible and the actual meet at infinity."
-- Northrop Frye

My favorite Frye quote:

It is a mistake to assume that only emotions can panic the mind.

re: #51 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I welcome our Tyranid Overlords.

I will be among the first to give my biomass to Hive Fleet Ziz...

re: #99 NJDhockeyfan

There was a director of an abortion clinic arrested for making up a story about finding bombs inside her building.

Link?

re: #103 jamesfirecat

I will be among the first to give my biomass to Hive Fleet Ziz...

Is that what the kids are calling it these days?

re: #101 Obdicut

How many times have investigations shown that an anti-abortion fanatic actually bombed a clinic, and how many investigations have shown that it was a false report? What's the percentage?

I give up. What are the correct percentages?

re: #98 Obdicut

And the people committing these crimes aren't living in a war-torn area with low access to education, war orphans, and refugees. They're in a rich, free, well-educated country.

indeed - I like the woman in the video - she's absolutely right - we need to learn that there are a plurality of views in America and because you disagree with someone does mean they are evil.

re: #85 Obdicut

Can you try to actually explain what you're saying, instead of being cryptic?

Why are you saying 'thank you' for me saying 'fanatic'?

My impression is that spikester, like me, appreciates the lack of a broad brush, with your qualifying "fanatic" in that sentence.

Not sure at all he/she meant it to be offensive . . .

re: #107 Cineaste

indeed - I like the woman in the video - she's absolutely right - we need to learn that there are a plurality of views in America and because you disagree with someone does mean they are evil.

not?

re: #99 NJDhockeyfan

No, that's fine if that's who you believe did it. I just won't automatically assume it was a certain person until I see all the facts. There was a director of an abortion clinic arrested for making up a story about finding bombs inside her building. I won't automatically assume that's what happened here either.

just out of curiosity - are there any examples of anyone bombing their own clinic?

re: #89 spikester

you admit that the nut job that did this is a fanatic there for not main stream

True, but the anti-abortion groups have a long history of encouraging the radical lone wolf to step up and act. The 'mainstream' is often complicit.

(By 'mainstream', I should clarify, I mean, say, Operation Rescue, not Birthright. Birthright's mainstream, but not crazy mainstream. Am I making any sense?)

re: #87 darthstar

I have to agree with your pov. IMO, the anti abortion folks need to get the message that their behavior is a terrorist kind of behavior and that it won't be tolerated. There is already laws on the books about arson. I would like to see a special circumstances clause attached to aggressive acts that target particular individuals because of gender, or a difference of beliefs. The chances are pretty high that this was done by one of the anti-abortion crowd.

re: #108 reine.de.tout

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re: #104 wrenchwench

Link?

Ex-leader of abortion clinic charged in bomb scare

OKLAHOMA CITY - The former director of an Oklahoma abortion clinic has been charged with making false or misleading statements after telling police she'd found a bomb at the facility, according to federal court documents.

Investigators said Linda Meek reported on Aug. 13 that a bomb had been placed in a trash can at Reproductive Services of Tulsa, according to documents filed Wednesday in U.S. District Court in Tulsa. The clinic, which was bombed twice in 1997, and an adjacent building were evacuated, but a bomb technician determined that a suspicious box in the trash can was not an explosive.

Meek, who left her position with the clinic after the incident, is charged with conveying false or misleading information, according to the documents. Meek, 63, is scheduled to make an initial court appearance in federal court on Thursday. She faces up to five years in prison if convicted.

What a dumb ass. What did she think she would accomplish by doing that?

Hopefully it will be easy to track down the psychos who did this.

re: #77 NJDhockeyfan

Send them to Gitmo and waterboard them! I have no problems with that.

I have a problem with the united states waterboarding anybody, but this is probably not the thread to be arguing that particular subject...

re: #92 Obdicut

When did I ever say he was 'mainstream'? I didn't. At all. You made that up-- I have no clue why.

What I am saying:

People who are so ideologically committed to a cause they rationalize violent crime in the pursuit of that crime are not necessarily insane-- not even usually insane. Muslim fanatics are not insane. IRA members are not insane. Basque separatists are not insane. Abortion clinic bombers are not insane.

Fanatic does not equate to insanity.

You can be dreadfully evil, and removed from society's norms, and still have a perfectly normal brain.

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

yep!

re: #106 NJDhockeyfan

I give up. What are the correct percentages?

I'll start by positing that 100% of clinic bombings are not done by the clinics themselves or their supporters. If you can site an example of where I'm wrong, I'm game to to revise that statistic down.

re: #109 JasonA

not?

yes... PIMF!

re: #110 Cineaste

just out of curiosity - are there any examples of anyone bombing their own clinic?

Don't know. I wouldn't know where to look for that. Anything is possible I guess.

re: #108 reine.de.tout

My impression is that spikester, like me, appreciates the lack of a broad brush, with your qualifying "fanatic" in that sentence.

Not sure at all he/she meant it to be offensive . . .

I feel I've been perfectly clear on that from the start.

re: #111 SanFranciscoZionist

True, but the anti-abortion groups have a long history of encouraging the radical lone wolf to step up and act. The 'mainstream' is often complicit.

(By 'mainstream', I should clarify, I mean, say, Operation Rescue, not Birthright. Birthright's mainstream, but not crazy mainstream. Am I making any sense?)

You're making sense to me.

re: #112 Macha

I have to agree with your pov. IMO, the anti abortion folks need to get the message that their behavior is a terrorist kind of behavior and that it won't be tolerated. There is already laws on the books about arson. I would like to see a special circumstances clause attached to aggressive acts that target particular individuals because of gender, or a difference of beliefs. The chances are pretty high that this was done by one of the anti-abortion crowd.

I think it should fit the bill for terrorism charges. It's targeting a group you're politically opposed to and the purpose is to terrify or achieve a political result. Sounds like terrorism.

re: #113 JasonA

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Because the best way to show that you're concerned about the sanctity of life is by firebombing a building. That'll show people you care.

///

re: #122 Obdicut

I feel I've been perfectly clear on that from the start.

Yes.
And he/she appreciated it and expressed it.
Again - not clear to me spikester intended to offend you.

re: #125 reine.de.tout

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re: #127 Lidane

Because the best way to show that you're concerned about the sanctity of life is by firebombing a building. That'll show people you care.

///

yeah - that's a real problem with the right-to-life extremists. George Tiller's killer is example #1. A man who claims to love god and life walks into a church and murders someone as they welcome people into God's house.

re: #128 reine.de.tout

I just find it weird that anyone would think that it was possible for anyone to think this was 'mainstream' behavior.

If it was mainstream, there would be no abortion clinics left, nor would there by a living doctor who performed abortions.

It is sadly, common.

I gotta get some work done. Later gators!

re: #126 JasonA

I love this ridiculously misleading picture: [Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]

Crikey. Ms Geller really needs be be smacked upside the head with a +20 "Mace of Integrity." Metaphorically speaking of course. Despite her obvious prejudice and willful ignorance, I wish her no ill will.

re: #127 Lidane

Because the best way to show that you're concerned about the sanctity of life is by firebombing a building. That'll show people you care.

///

Yeah, but right now we're not sure if it was not fire bombed by someone at the local RC model airplane club who got the wrong house and was really looking to fire bomb the guy that runs the U-control club.

//

re: #126 JasonA

I love this ridiculously misleading picture: [Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]

I'd actually be more enthused if I thought it was going to look like that. A friend of mine once referred to the synagogue I got married in as 'that thing that looks like you're in thirteenth-century Jerusalem'. I like that look.

re: #126 JasonA

I love this ridiculously misleading picture: [Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]

She's so going to go ape shit over my proposed Citadel of Doom.

re: #124 Cineaste

I think it should fit the bill for terrorism charges. It's targeting a group you're politically opposed to and the purpose is to terrify or achieve a political result. Sounds like terrorism.

In the case of something like Planned Parenthood, it would probably be classified as a moral opposition rather than political. Usually , but not always, because of religious beliefs. The same goes for aggressive acts towards those that are because of sexual orientation.

On a completely OT note, I went to a party at a classmate's house last night and had something I've never tried before-- Malibu soaked gummi worms. She took the worms, put them in a bowl, then filled it with rum and let them sit for most of the day, soaking up all the booze. They reminded me of jello shots, and were just as dangerous.

Thank goodness I'd had the sense to leave my car at home and just cab it to and from the party instead of driving. Yeesh.

re: #138 Lidane

On a completely OT note, I went to a party at a classmate's house last night and had something I've never tried before-- Malibu soaked gummi worms. She took the worms, put them in a bowl, then filled it with rum and let them sit for most of the day, soaking up all the booze. They reminded me of jello shots, and were just as dangerous.

Thank goodness I'd had the sense to leave my car at home and just cab it to and from the party instead of driving. Yeesh.

Got drunk off gummi worms, eh?
:P

re: #138 Lidane

On a completely OT note, I went to a party at a classmate's house last night and had something I've never tried before-- Malibu soaked gummi worms. She took the worms, put them in a bowl, then filled it with rum and let them sit for most of the day, soaking up all the booze. They reminded me of jello shots, and were just as dangerous.

Thank goodness I'd had the sense to leave my car at home and just cab it to and from the party instead of driving. Yeesh.

I like that idea. A friend has a similar idea, except it's with gin and cucumber slices.

re: #139 Varek Raith

Got drunk off gummi worms, eh?
:P

Gummi worms, vodka soaked strawberries, and beer. What can I say? I like variety. ;)

re: #136 Varek Raith

She's so going to go ape shit over my proposed Citadel of Doom.

Not if there aren't any Muslims in it.

re: #138 Lidane

On a completely OT note, I went to a party at a classmate's house last night and had something I've never tried before-- Malibu soaked gummi worms. She took the worms, put them in a bowl, then filled it with rum and let them sit for most of the day, soaking up all the booze. They reminded me of jello shots, and were just as dangerous.

Thank goodness I'd had the sense to leave my car at home and just cab it to and from the party instead of driving. Yeesh.

That sounds really cool. My husband loves gummi worms. I'm going to have to get some and try it.

Paul Conrad passed away.

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re: #137 Macha

In the case of something like Planned Parenthood, it would probably be classified as a moral opposition rather than political. Usually , but not always, because of religious beliefs. The same goes for aggressive acts towards those that are because of sexual orientation.

Wouldn't radical islamist terrorism be construed as moral opposition based on religious beliefs as well? While the attack on the Pentagon was purely political, the attack on the World Trade Center was moral in meaning. The political and the moral are inextricably linked.

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re: #138 Lidane

On a completely OT note, I went to a party at a classmate's house last night and had something I've never tried before-- Malibu soaked gummi worms. She took the worms, put them in a bowl, then filled it with rum and let them sit for most of the day, soaking up all the booze. They reminded me of jello shots, and were just as dangerous.

Thank goodness I'd had the sense to leave my car at home and just cab it to and from the party instead of driving. Yeesh.

Oh, hell. I wish you hadn't mentioned worms.

A little while ago, I was outside with some scissors, trimming grass away from some stepping stones that had gotten overgrown.

Something was in the grass. Something that was alive. Something that I cut in half with the scissors. A large flatworm, or a small snake, one. Ick. I had to quit and come inside. I don't even want to go out the back door right now. Ew.

Would it work with vodka and gummi bears?

re: #140 eclectic infidel

I like that idea. A friend has a similar idea, except it's with gin and cucumber slices.

now that sounds GOOD. oooh

Or those Japanese gummi fruits?

re: #147 reine.de.tout

It's been so hot, wet, and muggy. Our backyard is like Viet Nam right now. Plus, the cicada killers are in season.

What a stupid world. Or is that country? One of the idiots from "Jersey Shore" is making 5 million dollars a year which include a six figure advance for an "autobiography." Tell me again that society can't afford to pay people living wages when we award morons like this with millions of dollars.

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re: #152 Gus 802

Wait, you mean people actually watch that show for real?

re: #151 prairiefire

It's been so hot, wet, and muggy. Our backyard is like Viet Nam right now. Plus, the cicada killers are in season.

Yeah, I should have waited for it to be a bit cooler, I usually do.
And yes, our yard is the same way. But, oh, so green! I love it.

re: #153 JasonA

Wait, you mean people actually watch that show for real?

You bet. You know how people are. Duh-e.

re: #126 JasonA

I love this ridiculously misleading picture: [Link: atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com...]

It's extra stupid because the image is of the Taj Mahal which is not a mosque but a tomb.

re: #153 JasonA

Wait, you mean people actually watch that show for real?

That's what I was thinking.
Silly, ridiculous people with empty lives.
Yuck.

re: #156 Killgore Trout

It's extra stupid because the image is of the Taj Mahal which is not a mosque but a tomb.

Speaking of duh-e. That's a laugh riot.

re: #153 JasonA

Wait, you mean people actually watch that show for real?

I thought it was just on so The Soup could mock the mockable on Fridays.
I luvs Joel McHale...

re: #156 Killgore Trout

It's extra stupid because the image is of the Taj Mahal which is not a mosque but a tomb.

You are kidding me.

re: #156 Killgore Trout

It's extra stupid because the image is of the Taj Mahal which is not a mosque but a tomb.

Leave a comment...

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re: #156 Killgore Trout

It's extra stupid because the image is of the Taj Mahal which is not a mosque but a tomb.

Built to honor a Muslim woman greatly loved and honored by her husband, which, in Pam's limited cultural comprehension, shouldn't even be possible.

re: #156 Killgore Trout

It's extra stupid because the image is of the Taj Mahal which is not a mosque but a tomb.

Same diff, right?

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re: #156 Killgore Trout

It's extra stupid because the image is of the Taj Mahal which is not a mosque but a tomb.

I thought the Taj was a wedding gift for a princess or something like that?

re: #156 Killgore Trout

It's extra stupid because the image is of the Taj Mahal which is not a mosque but a tomb.

I think it has two mosques within the complex.
But no matter, really. It's known as a tomb.
Built by the Emperor Shahjahan as a memorial to his wife.
When we're told all Muslims hate women.

re: #164 BigPapa

I thought the Taj was a wedding gift for a princess or something like that?

Er, in memory of his 3rd wife. But I don't know if she's buried there or not. Either way, not a mosque.

re: #164 BigPapa

I thought the Taj was a wedding gift for a princess or something like that?

No, it's the tomb of Shah Jahan's third wife, Mumtaz Mahal.

re: #114 NJDhockeyfan

Ex-leader of abortion clinic charged in bomb scare

What a dumb ass. What did she think she would accomplish by doing that?

Thanks, it's from TODAY, no wonder I hadn't heard of that yet. I can't think of why she would do that, but the reactions from the right are almost funny. From your link:

Some pro-life advocates said they believe Meek may have been trying to mislead authorities and the media, to portray abortion opponents as violent fanatics who will stop at nothing to end the practice.

Republican state Rep. Mike Ritze, who supports pro-life legislation, said the bomb scare is part of a growing trend among abortion activists to represent opponents as violent and dangerous in order to divert public scrutiny from themselves.

"Either she did it maliciously to harm the opposition or is trying to draw attention away from the abortion industry," said Ritze, a family practice physician in Broken Arrow.

I added the emphasis. Really, I think the anti abortionists have enough violent and dangerous loons on their hands without Meek helping them.

re: #167 SanFranciscoZionist

No, it's the tomb of Shah Jahan's third wife, Mumtaz Mahal.

Yep, I read up now, thanks. I did not know she was actually resting there.

re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist

Would it work with vodka and gummi bears?

I don't see why not. Vodka barely has taste as it is.

re: #165 reine.de.tout

I think it has two mosques within the complex.
But no matter, really. It's known as a tomb.
Built by the Emperor Shahjahan as a memorial to his wife.
When we're told all Muslims hate women.

There are mosques, other tombs, gardens...it's quite a complicated project.

re: #114 NJDhockeyfan

Ex-leader of abortion clinic charged in bomb scare

What a dumb ass. What did she think she would accomplish by doing that?

Maybe it's just that that news outlet's recounting of the story is missing some critical details, but that story didn't sound that outrageous. I read it as follows:

The director's clinic had been previously bombed twice. A suspicious box was left in the trash outside and she called the police. Instead of telling them that there was a suspicious box, she told them outright that a bomb had been placed in the trash. After evacuating nearby buildings and investigating the box they determined it was harmless. The police then charged the woman with making inaccurate statements to the police. Local anti-choice groups and politicians used the incident to claim a false-flag conspiracy (instead of the far more likely interpretation, that the director panicked/jumped to conclusions based being subjected to previous acts of terrorism at her place of work).

re: #166 BigPapa

Er, in memory of his 3rd wife. But I don't know if she's buried there or not. Either way, not a mosque.

If someone is willing to build the Taj Mahal in NYC, I say go for it. The tourism boom would be astounding.

Must. Get. Ready.

Later.

re: #165 reine.de.tout

There's a mosque on the property: Image: File:TajMosque.jpg

re: #173 SanFranciscoZionist

If someone is willing to build the Taj Mahal in NYC, I say go for it. The tourism boom would be astounding.

Not to mention -
That's one of the most beautiful buildings known to man, IMO.

re: #172 simoom

Maybe it's just that that news outlet's recounting of the story is missing some critical details, but that story didn't sound that outrageous. I read it as follows:

The director's clinic had been previously bombed twice. A suspicious box was left in the trash outside and she called the police. Instead of telling them that there was a suspicious box, she told them outright that a bomb had been placed in the trash. After evacuating nearby buildings and investigating the box they determined it was harmless. The police then charged the woman with making inaccurate statements to the police. Local anti-choice groups and politicians used the incident to claim a false-flag conspiracy (instead of the far more likely interpretation, that the director panicked/jumped to conclusions based being subjected to previous acts of terrorism at her place of work).

I guess she was supposed to check?

re: #168 wrenchwench

Thanks, it's from TODAY, no wonder I hadn't heard of that yet. I can't think of why she would do that, but the reactions from the right are almost funny. From your link:

I added the emphasis. Really, I think the anti abortionists have enough violent and dangerous loons on their hands without Meek helping them.

Yeah, today! Dude is up on the news.

re: #169 BigPapa

Yep, I read up now, thanks. I did not know she was actually resting there.

She died in childbirth with their thirteenth or fourteenth child, and Jahan apparently tried to get himself through his grief (and perhaps guilt) by building a spectacular memorial to her.

When you're a Mughal emperor, your interpretation of 'spectacular' is bound to get out of hand. The end result is pretty much considered the absolute peak of hybrid Persian/Indian architectural tradition.

re: #149 Stanley Sea

now that sounds GOOD. oooh

Yeah. First the cucumber slices can be used with future gin drinks and secondly, the cucumbers leave a soft and crisp flavor in the gin itself. My friend doesn't use Bombay sapphire though. Just Beefeater's gin.

'Mumtaz' is still a very popular girl's name in the Indian Muslim community, partly because it's associated with the famous love story, and the Taj.

re: #177 JasonA

I guess she was supposed to check?

I'm wondering if they story is just missing some details. It doesn't say in the story that they're accusing her of planting the box, just that she claimed that the box was a bomb. Though based on how useful a story this could potentially be rhetorically to the anti-abortion folks I'm sure we'll soon have lots more information.

That must be a magnificent building. I couldn't imagine going to India and not seeing it.

re: #13 Obdicut

Why do you think the person who tried to burn down the clinic is insane?

Evil is habitually medicalized in today's world. Perhaps, in some sense, there is a medical side to it. This kind of behavior does not serve to advance the perpetrator's own interests. Unlike holding up mom&pop stores for the contents of the cash register, it doesn't even serve to provide cash for another few days of drugs.

So we call the perpetrator "sick". But it's s kind of sickness that doesn't really have a medical answer. One cannot cure a person of the habit of thinking along the lines of the thinking that led them to do it, at least, not with any therapy other than the "aversive therapy" we call prison. And usually, not even that.

The perpetrators almost never acts out of home-grown conviction. They have been groomed for the deed by indoctrination. Religious fanatics who are all too sane understand very well that it is not in their own interest to be the one to go amok, or sneak around setting fires and leaving forensic evidence behind which can be walked back them. Instead, they recruit in the fringe church or mosque or the fringe environmentalist camp. They speak in guarded tones when the audience is large, and more explicitly when it's small and the recruit has been screened carefully to weed out undercover agents.

The frequency of overt misdeeds is the best measure we have of the extent of the underlying covert recruiting. It's also an inverse measure of the effectiveness with which the government penetrates such groups, or even cares to try, and an inverse measure of how well our mainstream society matches people to productive social roles.

re: #172 simoom

Maybe it's just that that news outlet's recounting of the story is missing some critical details, but that story didn't sound that outrageous. I read it as follows:

The director's clinic had been previously bombed twice. A suspicious box was left in the trash outside and she called the police. Instead of telling them that there was a suspicious box, she told them outright that a bomb had been placed in the trash. After evacuating nearby buildings and investigating the box they determined it was harmless. The police then charged the woman with making inaccurate statements to the police. Local anti-choice groups and politicians used the incident to claim a false-flag conspiracy (instead of the far more likely interpretation, that the director panicked/jumped to conclusions based being subjected to previous acts of terrorism at her place of work).

Wow.

re: #165 reine.de.tout

I think it has two mosques within the complex.
But no matter, really. It's known as a tomb.
Built by the Emperor Shahjahan as a memorial to his wife.
When we're told all Muslims hate women.

I've been there. The building is one of the three most beautiful in the world. The tomb itself is unutterably sad.

No doubt the expense of the building bore heavily on the poor of the time, in a time of near-universal poverty. But putting that to the side, surely even the most bitter cynic will grant that their marriage was a happy one, full of love, devotion, and sunlight, and that when she died, the husband's grief was profound and sincere.

I think this thread is ready to be laid to rest in a tomb...

Pat Robertson: Republican philanthropic organizations donate to Planned Parenthood because they want to exterminate unemployed black people.

.mov video, couldn't find any other format.

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

re: #188 negativ

Pat Robertson: Republican philanthropic organizations donate to Planned Parenthood because they want to exterminate unemployed black people.

.mov video, couldn't find any other format.

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

Republican philanthropic organizations donate to Planned Parenthood?

re: #186 lostlakehiker

I've been there. The building is one of the three most beautiful in the world. The tomb itself is unutterably sad.

No doubt the expense of the building bore heavily on the poor of the time, in a time of near-universal poverty. But putting that to the side, surely even the most bitter cynic will grant that their marriage was a happy one, full of love, devotion, and sunlight, and that when she died, the husband's grief was profound and sincere.

See . . . I'm thinking the building of the Taj probably employed a lot of people who were paid for their work and who may not have been otherwise employed.
Sorry . . . I can't help trying to see the glass as half-full . . .

re: #29 Boondock St. Bender

lemme get this straight...
allowing gays to "marry"degrades the institution...
but newties revolving door commitment to his wives doesn't...
ok then

Who said? Every bad joke of a marriage brings the institution down a peg in the public eye. Every good marriage buttresses the institution.

Shame on Newt, and on the too-many other highly placed politicians who lie and cheat in their private lives like it was politics.

Still, the institution is far from dead.

Taylor Swift video

re: #189 SanFranciscoZionist

Republican philanthropic organizations donate to Planned Parenthood?

We report, you decide.

re: #189 SanFranciscoZionist

Republican philanthropic organizations donate to Planned Parenthood?

That does it!
No more money from me to Republican philanthropic organizations!
(can't recall ever giving to one, anyhoo).

re: #188 negativ

That blood diamond profiting, scum sucking, low life piece of shit just vaporized my irony meter. Sometimes I truly wish there was a hell for evil, cynical manipulators like him.

*SPIT!*

re: #189 SanFranciscoZionist

Republican philanthropic organizations donate to Planned Parenthood?

I'm a (R), and I support PP. Not financially, 'cuz I'm broke, but I believe that overall they do good.

re: #114 NJDhockeyfan

Ex-leader of abortion clinic charged in bomb scare

What a dumb ass. What did she think she would accomplish by doing that?

Sounds like she panicked and reported it as a bomb. Maybe in order to get someone there quickly. Charging her with making a false report, from the details in this article anyway, seems to be way overboard.

The clinic had been bombed twice before. She had a good reason to be nervous about it. Unless there's more to the story, this isn't a case of deliberately making a false bomb report.

Very weak arguing point.

re: #156 Killgore Trout

It's extra stupid because the image is of the Taj Mahal which is not a mosque but a tomb.

Lol.

re: #196 Charles

Sounds like she panicked and reported it as a bomb. Maybe in order to get someone there quickly. Charging her with making a false report, from the details in this article anyway, seems to be way overboard.

The clinic had been bombed twice before. She had a good reason to be nervous about it. Unless there's more to the story, this isn't a case of deliberately making a false bomb report.

Very weak arguing point.

Do this in Times Square and you're a hero.

re: #195 Slumbering Behemoth

I'm a (R), and I support PP. Not financially, 'cuz I'm broke, but I believe that overall they do good.

Well, yes, but you're an individual. Lots of Republicans support PP, but there are specifically Republican charities that give to them?

(This might make more sense if I could see the video, but I can't.)

I make my donations to a few things, but Catholic Charities in BR does an excellent job, and gets most of my support.

The most recent project: An apartment complex which will house families displaced and still trying to recover from Katrina and other storms. For many participants, there will be no rent or utility payments required for year, while they work and try to save money toward getting back on their feet. Participation includes access to budgeting, life skills, home ownership and nutrition classes; some participants may be required to enroll in job services, counseling or other programs.

“Studies show that almost half the families for whom it took more than a year to find suitable housing are still struggling to create stable homes,” Aguillard said. The Families First Program of CCDBR will assist these families by providing affordable housing to eligible families for an interim period while the parents improve their job skills, complete their education and prepare themselves to find and afford market-rate housing. “Everyone who left New Orleans after Katrina – from the richest to the poorest – needed help. We will continue to help those who demonstrate a commitment to achieving self-sufficiency and helping themselves,” Aguillard said.

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I want a "Shakin' Jessie" so bad right now.

re: #199 SanFranciscoZionist

He names the Ford Foundation and the Rockefeller Foundation as two "so-called republican organizations" which donate millions to PP as part of an agenda of genocide to wipe out the African-American population.

re: #202 Slumbering Behemoth

He names the Ford Foundation and the Rockefeller Foundation as two "so-called republican organizations" which donate millions to PP as part of an agenda of genocide to wipe out the African-American population.

Oh.

Rubbing my forehead now.

re: #203 SanFranciscoZionist

Oh.

Rubbing my forehead now.

Palm.
Apply directly to the forehead.

re: #202 Slumbering Behemoth

He names the Ford Foundation and the Rockefeller Foundation as two "so-called republican organizations" which donate millions to PP as part of an agenda of genocide to wipe out the African-American population.

That is so crazy.
There's just nothing that can be said.

Obviously, the abortionist did it themselves to cash on an insurance fraud and blame the right, and this "American Nationalist Brotherhood" is a plant. I mean, "Brotherhood". Doesn't it sound familiar? Like... oh, I don't know, "MUSLIM Brotherhood"?

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re: #205 reine.de.tout

Pat's been pimping conspiracy and fear mongering since long before Alex Jones, I think.

I will not miss him when he's gone.

re: #42 Obdicut

I don't feel there's anything physically wrong with the structures in their brains. I feel that they have convinced themselves, through the use of their human consciousness, that they are good and whoever it is they hate are evil.

I think that's free will, not insanity. To me, saying that they're mentally ill lets them off easy. When you've got someone like the guy who dove his plane into the ground in Vegas, with notebooks full of incoherent, contradictory rambling, I think that can be called crazy. But I do think there are a lot of people that do terribly violent, horrible things without being the least bit mentally ill.

Er... like James Lee?

You need a domestic terrorism tag. You have hate crime but no terrorism tag.

re: #208 Walter L. Newton

Er... like James Lee?

No. I think from his writings it's rather clear that he's insane.

I don't think anyone who uses the word 'froggies' who isn't under the age of fourteen or in a Mel Brooks movie is sane.

Please note, Walter, the sentence immediately above this one is humor. It is not a literal claim that anyone who says the word 'froggie' is insane.

re: #210 Obdicut

No. I think from his writings it's rather clear that he's insane.

I don't think anyone who uses the word 'froggies' who isn't under the age of fourteen or in a Mel Brooks movie is sane.

Please note, Walter, the sentence immediately above this one is humor. It is not a literal claim that anyone who says the word 'froggie' is insane.

So... he's insane because he used the word "froggie?"

re: #210 Obdicut

No. I think from his writings it's rather clear that he's insane.

I don't think anyone who uses the word 'froggies' who isn't under the age of fourteen or in a Mel Brooks movie is sane.

Please note, Walter, the sentence immediately above this one is humor. It is not a literal claim that anyone who says the word 'froggie' is insane.

Correction... so he's not insane because he used the word "froggie." What did he say that was "insane?"

re: #210 Obdicut

"Daddy loves Froggie.
Does Froggie love Daddy?"
-That's Hedley

Ok, I made a page for it:Pamela Geller Mistakes History's Greatest Monument to Love for the Epicenter of Evil

re: #202 Slumbering Behemoth

He names the Ford Foundation and the Rockefeller Foundation as two "so-called republican organizations" which donate millions to PP as part of an agenda of genocide to wipe out the African-American population.

That's actually a fairly common bizarre propaganda distortion of the right-to-lifers. The woman who ghost-wrote Sarah Palin's book, Lynn Vincent, also pushes this rubbish.

re: #215 Charles

That's actually a fairly common bizarre propaganda distortion of the right-to-lifers. The woman who ghost-wrote Sarah Palin's book, Lynn Vincent, also pushes this rubbish.

It's unusual for Republicans to take the blame for it, though.

Ha! Geller's article (with pic) made it into the India Times. I wonder what Indian readers are going to make of that.

re: #217 Killgore Trout

Ha! Geller's article (with pic) made it into the India Times. I wonder what Indian readers are going to make of that.

Won't mistake it for Bollywood I hope.

re: #215 Charles

Which is considerably cynical and ironic coming from Robertson, considering some of his exploits.

re: #217 Killgore Trout

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

re: #212 Walter L. Newton

Correction... so he's not insane because he used the word "froggie." What did he say that was "insane?"

Discovery Channel Gunman James Lee Possibly Paranoid Schizophrenic, Say Psych Experts:

"He clearly had paranoid delusions or perceptions, and he was clearly psychotic," said Dr. Jeffrey Lieberman, chief of psychiatry at Columbia University Medical Center in New York.

"This is a person that is delusional and has a thought disorder of some sort, and one kind of thought disorder is paranoid schizophrenia," said George Pratt, past chairman of psychology at Scripps Memorial Hospital in La Jolla, Calif.

re: #215 Charles

That's actually a fairly common bizarre propaganda distortion of the right-to-lifers. The woman who ghost-wrote Sarah Palin's book, Lynn Vincent, also pushes this rubbish.

Evidently Lynn has support from at least one misguided black pastor...

"The purpose of this web site is to expose the disproportionate amount of Black babies destroyed by the abortion industry. For every two African American women that get pregnant one will choose to abort. A Black baby is 5 times more likely to be killed in the womb than a White Baby. "

"Balckgenocide.org is part of the Life Education And Resource Network (LEARN), a national network of Christian pro-life/pro-family advocates who are dedicated to protecting the pre-born and promoting traditional family values. LEARN was officially established in 1993 at the African American Pro-Life Planning Conference in Houston, Texas. One of the primary goals of LEARN is to facilitate a strong and viable network of African American and minority pro-life/pro-family advocates."

I wonder if they known of her connections to friend Robert Stacy McCain?

re: #217 Killgore Trout

Ha! Geller's article (with pic) made it into the India Times. I wonder what Indian readers are going to make of that.

"The Taj Mahal was built by the Emperor Khurram for his wife
Mumtaz who was maximum beautiful woman in the whole world. When
she died, the Emperor decided to build this five star hotel for
everyone who wanted to visit her tomb...but he died in- in
fifteen eighty-seven, before any of the rooms were built. Or the lifts. The swimming pool, however, as you can see was completed on schedule in top
class fashion.

Tourist: "It says nothing of this in the guide book."

JAMAL: "With respect, Madam, the guide book is written by a bunch of
lazy, good-for-nothing, Indian beggars."

-Slumdog Millionaire

re: #221 Charles

Shouldn't that say "Possibly Formerly"?

re: #223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"The Taj Mahal was built by the Emperor Khurram for his wife
Mumtaz who was maximum beautiful woman in the whole world. When
she died, the Emperor decided to build this five star hotel for
everyone who wanted to visit her tomb...but he died in- in
fifteen eighty-seven, before any of the rooms were built. Or the lifts. The swimming pool, however, as you can see was completed on schedule in top
class fashion.

Tourist: "It says nothing of this in the guide book."

JAMAL: "With respect, Madam, the guide book is written by a bunch of
lazy, good-for-nothing, Indian beggars."

-Slumdog Millionaire

Lol

re: #223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

That's funny!

Taj Mahal...

re: #152 Gus 802

What a stupid world. Or is that country? One of the idiots from "Jersey Shore" is making 5 million dollars a year which include a six figure advance for an "autobiography." Tell me again that society can't afford to pay people living wages when we award morons like this with millions of dollars.

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

When I was a wee lad, I was always taught that if you worked hard (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean), followed The Rules, honed your talents, and treated people with respect, you practically couldn't help but to find yourself fabulously wealthy. If I hadn't wasted the first 30 years of my life believing that was actually true, I'd probably be in a far better position than I am today.

re: #228 negativ

I bet you learned that from the same people that taught you about Santa Claus and the Tooth Fairy, amirite?
;)

re: #228 negativ

When I was a wee lad, I was always taught that if you worked hard (whatever the hell that's supposed to mean), followed The Rules, honed your talents, and treated people with respect, you practically couldn't help but to find yourself fabulously wealthy. If I hadn't wasted the first 30 years of my life believing that was actually true, I'd probably be in a far better position than I am today.

Really... well... somebody fed you a line of bullshit... as a number of people have said, from Caligula to Camus... "life's a bitch and then you die."

re: #148 SanFranciscoZionist

Would it work with vodka and gummi bears?

re: #150 SanFranciscoZionist

Or those Japanese gummi fruits?

I don't see why not. They're all made of gelatin, and both vodka and Malibu rum are clear liquors.

If you try it out, tell me if they're any good. I'll make sure to mention it to my classmate for any future parties. Heh.

Garaj Mahal

re: #152 Gus 802

What a stupid world. Or is that country? One of the idiots from "Jersey Shore" is making 5 million dollars a year which include a six figure advance for an "autobiography." Tell me again that society can't afford to pay people living wages when we award morons like this with millions of dollars.

[Link: abcnews.go.com...]

I don't know, one thing I've noticed from time to time about "Mike the Situation" is that he often treats the show like the fame/money opportunity that it is. He seems to be pretty typically aware of image opportunities and thinking about how to capitalize on them. So I'm not surprised that he's been able to leverage it, he seems to have an entrepreneurial kind of mindset abut the whole thing. As such, I don't know if "moron" is the right word to use there.

re: #233 elbruce

I don't know, one thing I've noticed from time to time about "Mike the Situation" is that he often treats the show like the fame/money opportunity that it is. He seems to be pretty typically aware of image opportunities and thinking about how to capitalize on them. So I'm not surprised that he's been able to leverage it, he seems to have an entrepreneurial kind of mindset abut the whole thing. As such, I don't know if "moron" is the right word to use there.

I agree... the word moron should be left to describe anyone who actually watches the show and is entertained by this train wreck of human specimens.

re: #233 elbruce

I don't know, one thing I've noticed from time to time about "Mike the Situation" is that he often treats the show like the fame/money opportunity that it is. He seems to be pretty typically aware of image opportunities and thinking about how to capitalize on them. So I'm not surprised that he's been able to leverage it, he seems to have an entrepreneurial kind of mindset abut the whole thing. As such, I don't know if "moron" is the right word to use there.

You know way too much about this show...

Tell me about how you watch the Jersey Shore? Drop ten pegs.

There are only 20 pegs.

re: #233 elbruce

I don't know, one thing I've noticed from time to time about "Mike the Situation" is that he often treats the show like the fame/money opportunity that it is. He seems to be pretty typically aware of image opportunities and thinking about how to capitalize on them. So I'm not surprised that he's been able to leverage it, he seems to have an entrepreneurial kind of mindset abut the whole thing. As such, I don't know if "moron" is the right word to use there.

I don't necessarily begrudge this guy for figuring out a way to cash in on being an insufferable douchebag, but it absolutely kills me that there's a market for it.

re: #237 negativ

I don't necessarily begrudge this guy for figuring out a way to cash in on being an insufferable douchebag, but it absolutely kills me that there's a market for it.

See: Moron.

Work... work... work... have a 5 1/2 hour coming up. Really strange, last night, I thought we would get SLAMMED considering the holiday... nope, really slacked off about 7:30pm... but the highway in front of the store... bumper to bumper, people going west to go camping, last fling of the summer.

Wonder if it will be a little more busy tonight, locals and stuff, getting ready for Monday cookouts.

Thank goodness I already live in paradise... I don't have to travel up here to get away to the mountains.

re: #236 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

How many pegs, and in which direction, do I move if I tell you about watching pr0n? And does the inclusion of pie in said pr0n affect the score?

re: #223 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

"The Taj Mahal was built by the Emperor Khurram for his wife
Mumtaz who was maximum beautiful woman in the whole world. When
she died, the Emperor decided to build this five star hotel for
everyone who wanted to visit her tomb...but he died in- in
fifteen eighty-seven, before any of the rooms were built. Or the lifts. The swimming pool, however, as you can see was completed on schedule in top
class fashion.

Tourist: "It says nothing of this in the guide book."

JAMAL: "With respect, Madam, the guide book is written by a bunch of
lazy, good-for-nothing, Indian beggars."

-Slumdog Millionaire

I loved that movie.

re: #154 reine.de.tout

Yeah, I should have waited for it to be a bit cooler, I usually do.
And yes, our yard is the same way. But, oh, so green! I love it.

Our's is sort of green, brown and yellow from too much water.

re: #240 Slumbering Behemoth

Porn is better than Jersey Shore.

I'm just sayin'.

re: #237 negativ

I don't necessarily begrudge this guy for figuring out a way to cash in on being an insufferable douchebag, but it absolutely kills me that there's a market for it.

The money to be made is in selling the lifestyle. Mind you, it's a crap lifestyle to be selling, but Ed Hardy has already proven that the market is there and that it can be monetized. The method of selling lifestyles whole-cloth is pretty well established - think Donald Trump, Martha Stewart, etc. All make themselves the poster child for a certain self image, and then capture a piece of the action selling the stuff people think they need to have that self image.

It may be the case that people who buy their lifestyle "off the rack" as it were, are generally tasteless, so any lifestyle that somebody's going to sell will be inevitably odious.

re: #235 JasonA

You know way too much about this show...

I saw part of a marathon. Doesn't take much to know everything you need to know about it. It's an excellent anthropological documentary, overall.

re: #245 elbruce

I saw part of a marathon. Doesn't take much to know everything you need to know about it. It's an excellent anthropological documentary, overall.

LOL... you meant that to be sarcasm... right... please say yes?

re: #245 elbruce

I saw part of a marathon. Doesn't take much to know everything you need to know about it. It's an excellent anthropological documentary, overall.

In the first place, you don't properly study anthropology by telling your subjects that they are going to be on TV... just saying.

re: #247 Walter L. Newton

I would act differently.

I'm just sayin'.

re: #248 Fat Bastard Vegetarian

I would act differently.

I'm just sayin'.

Not if they served cake.

re: #247 Walter L. Newton

In the first place, you don't properly study anthropology by telling your subjects that they are going to be on TV... just saying.

Maybe with a control group to compare them to...

re: #216 SanFranciscoZionist

It's unusual for Republicans to take the blame for it, though.

Today's Republicans don't consider the Rockefeller Republicans to be "real" Republicans anymore.

They're from New York, y'know. They're hardly even real Americans. They're communists (just like Eisenhower), you can tell by the murals in the Rockefeller Center.

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re: #202 Slumbering Behemoth

He names the Ford Foundation and the Rockefeller Foundation as two "so-called republican organizations" which donate millions to PP as part of an agenda of genocide to wipe out the African-American population.

Let us remember that teabugging smear merchant James O'Keefe's first race baiting stunt was calling up Planned Parenthood to make a donation with the specification that his money be used to 'abort black babies'.

[Link: www.google.co.uk...]

I'm too angry about the firebombing to post more right now, but a page will be forthcoming.

sigh.. central valley.. where i live..