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1 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 6:54:50pm

Should be fun to see Sister Sarah and her followers dig herself in deeper as they continue to oppose this man….

2 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 6:55:10pm

“I condemn everyone who has committed acts of terrorism, and Hamas has committed acts of terrorism.”

That’s a pretty strong refudiation. But will it be enough?

3 SpaceJesus  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 6:55:56pm

re: #2 BigPapa


haha, are you kidding? we’re talking about pamella geller and co. here

4 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 6:56:09pm

re: #2 BigPapa

“I condemn everyone who has committed acts of terrorism, and Hamas has committed acts of terrorism.”

That’s a pretty strong refudiation. But will it be enough?

To stop the wingnuts slavering for any excuse to hate him?

Of course it won’t be…..

5 Gus  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 6:57:31pm

re: #2 BigPapa

“I condemn everyone who has committed acts of terrorism, and Hamas has committed acts of terrorism.”

That’s a pretty strong refudiation. But will it be enough?

You know the drill. They’ll always find something to complain about. In this case it might be “it’s a little late for Rauf to say this now.” Either that or they’ll just claim he’s lying. Unless of course this approved by someone at the New York Post — that might gain some traction with the walnuts.

6 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 6:58:24pm

I certainly hope she lets him talk about his life story - he wants to tell - and if I recall, it’s pretty transformational.

7 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 6:58:29pm

They’ll claim that he’s lying. There is nothing Imam Rauf can do that will satsify these people save burn a Quran on national television and call Christ his savior.

8 Jetpilot1101  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 6:58:36pm

Correct me if I am wrong but this Imam may be the first Muslim leader to publicly condemn Hamas for their cowardly acts of terror. For crying out loud folks (and I mean the right wing opposition) can we please, pretty please, with sugar on top give this man the benefit of the doubt? Haven’t we all been waiting for a public Muslim figure to do exactly what this man has done? Well, here he is America, let’s stand behind him and acknowledge the courageous stand he has taken against the extremists of his religion.

9 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 6:58:54pm

I learned a lot of the best things in my personal philosophy from men like the Imam. Oh BTW just had quite a set to with the Mom in law who refused to even listen to him. Basically because of her Beck induced ODS. This will have to be a forbidden subject from now on with the in laws and my own father. I find this really hard to deal with. I’m losing respect for family. Damn.

10 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 6:59:11pm

re: #7 HappyWarrior

They’ll claim that he’s lying. There is nothing Imam Rauf can do that will satsify these people save burn a Quran on national television and call Christ his savior.

Exactly!

11 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 6:59:23pm

I’m checking to see if this is a good video feed or recording.

12 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:00:14pm

re: #6 Stanley Sea

I certainly hope she lets him talk about his life story - he wants to tell - and if I recall, it’s pretty transformational.

Damn IT.

13 Kragar  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:00:18pm

re: #4 jamesfirecat

To stop the wingnuts slavering for any excuse to hate him?

Of course it won’t be…

You know how they lie.

///

14 shai_au  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:00:22pm

re: #2 BigPapa

“I condemn everyone who has committed acts of terrorism, and Hamas has committed acts of terrorism.”

That’s a pretty strong refudiation. But will it be enough?

No, it is not enough. Because he is FULL OF LIES. LIES.

And cake. But mostly LIES.

15 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:00:44pm

God Bless The Peacemakers.

16 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:01:00pm

re: #8 Jetpilot1101

Correct me if I am wrong but this Imam may be the first Muslim leader to publicly condemn Hamas for their cowardly acts of terror. For crying out loud folks (and I mean the right wing opposition) can we please, pretty please, with sugar on top give this man the benefit of the doubt? Haven’t we all been waiting for a public Muslim figure to do exactly what this man has done? Well, here he is America, let’s stand behind him and acknowledge the courageous stand he has taken against the extremists of his religion.

for truth.

17 Kragar  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:01:08pm

re: #15 Rightwingconspirator

God Bless The Peacemakers.

Not lately it seems like.

18 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:01:49pm

re: #8 Jetpilot1101

Correct me if I am wrong but this Imam may be the first Muslim leader to publicly condemn Hamas for their cowardly acts of terror. For crying out loud folks (and I mean the right wing opposition) can we please, pretty please, with sugar on top give this man the benefit of the doubt? Haven’t we all been waiting for a public Muslim figure to do exactly what this man has done? Well, here he is America, let’s stand behind him and acknowledge the courageous stand he has taken against the extremists of his religion.

Yes, yes, yes, triple, quadruple, yes.

19 SpaceJesus  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:02:10pm

re: #7 HappyWarrior


when you’re talking about people who oppose the community center, you are literally talking about fascists.

20 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:02:49pm

re: #19 SpaceJesus

when you’re talking about people who oppose the community center, you are literally talking about fascists.

Sure as hell feels that way. Irony of course is they think people like us are the real fascists. Ridiculous as hell ain’t it?

21 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:03:39pm

“you have to be fair. You can’t call a place with strip clubs Holy Ground. You have to tell the truth”.

Wow. Indeed good sir.

22 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:03:43pm

ewe. The blue hard hat guy.

23 shai_au  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:04:01pm

You know who was a real fascist?

Hitler.

Yes, I went there.

24 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:04:46pm

re: #21 Rightwingconspirator

“you have to be fair. You can’t call a place with strip clubs Holy Ground. You have to tell the truth”.

Wow. Indeed good sir.

///Good sir I belong to the church of the divine Ta-tas, there is no holier ground than strip clubs!

25 shai_au  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:05:33pm

re: #23 shai_au

You know who was a real fascist?

Hitler.

Yes, I went there.

(sorry, I’m in a bit of a silly mood)

26 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:05:49pm

re: #17 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Not lately it seems like.

Notice how they endure? This Imam, the Dalai Lama, Ghandi, and btw countless individuals that died rather than fight, unsung and unknown…

27 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:05:58pm

re: #24 jamesfirecat

///Good sir I belong to the church of the divine Ta-tas, there is no holier ground than strip clubs!

Shit you’re only a member. I’m a high priest in the order of the Breasiuts.

28 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:06:13pm

That video feed I posted is a recording, so far seems like it is about 10 minutes long and edited.

Soledad O’Brien usually does good but she asked a few dumb questions, especially:

‘Did you talk to the 9/11 families?’
‘Yes’
‘Did you talk to all the 9/11 families?’
‘Uh… no, not to all the 9/11 families.’

‘(ALL CAPS OUTRAGE)’

29 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:06:40pm

re: #24 jamesfirecat

///Good sir I belong to the church of the divine Ta-tas, there is no holier ground than strip clubs!

Heh. About that baptism…

30 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:06:52pm

These representatives of the “anti” group, at first glance are very very consumed.

31 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:07:21pm

re: #2 BigPapa

“I condemn everyone who has committed acts of terrorism, and Hamas has committed acts of terrorism.”

That’s a pretty strong refudiation. But will it be enough?

It is for me. I’ll keep an eye out to make sure he sticks to it, but that’s close enough for me.

32 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:07:33pm

A most excellent interview.

33 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:08:03pm

Oh this roundtable. Watch these folks.

34 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:08:14pm

“This mosque has to go up, or there will be retribution?”

What. The. Fuck.

35 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:08:50pm

re: #34 Charles

“This mosque has to go up, or there will be retribution?”

What. The. Fuck.

They are really entrenched.

Intrenched.

36 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:09:09pm

The Muslims are watching us! Isn’t that … scary?

37 Gus  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:09:14pm

re: #34 Charles

“This mosque has to go up, or there will be retribution?”

What. The. Fuck.

Who said that?

38 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:09:21pm

re: #24 jamesfirecat

///Good sir I belong to the church of the divine Ta-tas, there is no holier ground than strip clubs!

Boobies!

39 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:09:47pm

“This is a turf war.”

40 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:09:53pm

re: #35 Stanley Sea

you know what I mean.

Now the smart people have to convince the irrationals live.

“I’m reading between the lines” says entrenched guy.

41 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:10:06pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

It is for me. I’ll keep an eye out to make sure he sticks to it, but that’s close enough for me.

There are times for ‘what have you done for me lately.’

Right now it’s time to state where you stand. He did, clearly and unequivocally. He may have said some crap I disagreed with 10 or 30 years ago, but I myself have said crap I now disagree with 10 or 30 years ago.

42 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:10:07pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

Boobies!

Damn you, here am I working on a volleyball summary and you have a link that says boobies in and I see two ugly birds. For shame, DF, for shame :).

43 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:10:12pm

re: #34 Charles

“This mosque has to go up, or there will be retribution?”

What. The. Fuck.

Which nutcase said that? That sounds like something Mookie Al Sadr would say.

44 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:10:16pm

re: #39 Charles

That guy is looking to fight. Look at his body language!

45 TedStriker  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:10:47pm

re: #34 Charles

“This mosque has to go up, or there will be retribution?”

What. The. Fuck.

???

46 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:11:12pm

The lady is going to pop.

47 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:11:25pm

re: #44 Rightwingconspirator

That guy is looking to fight. Look at his body language!

THIS is something to watch. Right here, in front of us.

48 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:11:31pm

re: #46 Rightwingconspirator

The lady is going to pop.

Oh, yeah.

49 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:12:06pm
50 Gus  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:12:10pm

Darn it. I’m missing the “Bennies against the Mosque” rhetoric.

51 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:12:14pm

Where did they find these people?

Good freaking grief.

52 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:12:21pm

Oh boy. Family member fail.

Put it in the Middle East.

53 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:12:30pm

Damn, this lady is…
Yeesh.

54 Gus  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:12:38pm

re: #51 Charles

Where did they find these people?

Good freaking grief.

Perth Amboy.

/

55 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:13:00pm

She’s about to snap.

56 jaunte  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:13:07pm

She’s about to go Pam.

57 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:13:08pm

Lady its not at ground zero! I’m sorry her grief has broken her. I wish her peace of mind. She may never get it Mosque or not.

58 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:14:09pm

That was just awful, Family Fail indeed. OMG.

59 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:14:33pm

As Skank Geller will be the first to explain, “condemn” is jihadi slang for “wholeheartedly endorse and recommend”.

60 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:14:42pm

re: #36 Charles

The Muslims are watching us! Isn’t that … scary?

I’m confused……

I thought it was the stalkers who are watching us.

///

61 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:15:27pm

No ill will towards the Muslim people, but PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE EAST!

CNN, total fail. These people are really really entrenched.

The green room was a huge build up of hate. I can just imagine those people freaking out while Rauf made his points (in his calm voice - moderate Muslim anyone?)

62 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:16:26pm

re: #56 jaunte

She’s about to go Pam.

She reads Pam or more. Probably less than 6 degrees. Sad. Really really sad.

63 SilentAlfa  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:16:40pm

re: #59 Cato the Elder

As Skank Geller will be the first to explain, “condemn” is jihadi slang for “wholeheartedly endorse and recommend”.

If there is anything I have learned from Geller, it is that the Brown Person cannot be trusted, no matter what it says.

64 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:17:30pm

Charles what are you talking about?

65 jaunte  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:17:47pm

re: #62 Stanley Sea

Anyone who is emotionally inclined to buy into the concept of ‘taquiyya’ is not going to believe any reassurances.

66 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:18:01pm

re: #57 Rightwingconspirator

Lady its not at ground zero! I’m sorry her grief has broken her. I wish her peace of mind. She may never get it Mosque or not.

She has allowed her rage and grief to blind her.

67 tradewind  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:18:06pm

Reading this CNN transcript, it doesn’t sound as if the construction of this project at the current location is set in stone.
[Link: news.blogs.cnn.com…]

68 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:18:26pm

We’ve gone crazy.

The terrorists won, if you want to use the rhetorical talk of the past.

gah

69 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:18:37pm

When the flies have been at it for too long, there’s only so much makeup can do to cover the maggots on your face.

70 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:18:38pm

re: #67 tradewind

Reading this CNN transcript, it doesn’t sound as if the construction of this project at the current location is set in stone.
[Link: news.blogs.cnn.com…]

Try to contain your glee.

71 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:19:05pm

re: #64 BigPapa

Charles what are you talking about?

The CNN roundtable after interview. Watch it.

72 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:20:11pm

re: #71 Stanley Sea

The CNN roundtable after interview. Watch it.

Trying to find…. a little Lizard help if can…

73 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:20:31pm

re: #69 Cato the Elder

When the flies have been at it for too long, there’s only so much makeup can do to cover the maggots on your face.

403 Forbidden

74 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:21:50pm

re: #60 Reginald Perrin

I’m confused…

I thought it was the stalkers who are watching us.

///

They all went loony over at ‘Diary of Dorkus’ today. Someone showed up to call them stalkers and they went crazy-pile on. Fun to read.

75 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:22:20pm

re: #70 Charles

Try to contain your glee.

fucking a

76 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:22:36pm

I’ve heard opponents of Park 51 say it’s akin to putting a church at a concentration camp site. If my memory of Dachau is correct, there are church chapels there. Almost 100% positive about that since I recall doing a small prayer in one while I was there a couple years back.

77 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:22:50pm

re: #72 BigPapa

Trying to find… a little Lizard help if can…

Channel 31

heh

78 tradewind  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:23:08pm

re: #37 Gus 802

I think they’re responding to this. It’s a little ambiguous and confusing, these two points: From the CNN transcript:

Updated, 9:21 p.m.] Rauf said that if he knew how controversial the project would be, he “never would have done this - not have done something that would create more divisiveness.”

However, he said he is convinced he shouldn’t move the center now because “our national security now hinges on how we negotiate this, how we speak about it and what we do.”

79 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:23:26pm

For the rest of the week, no one is allowed to spell “Gandhi” “Ghandi” in my presence.

80 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:23:32pm

David Gergen - Concern Troll.

81 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:23:50pm

re: #38 Dark_Falcon

Boobies!

I believe that I’ve seen that pair before, showgirls wasn’t it?

82 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:24:05pm

re: #78 tradewind

Just state your point. Out loud, and clear.

You’ve been dancing way too long.

83 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:24:09pm

re: #79 Cato the Elder

For the rest of the week, no one is allowed to spell “Gandhi” “Ghandi” in my presence.

What if we misspell it?

84 SilentAlfa  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:24:26pm

re: #64 BigPapa

Charles what are you talking about?

To summarize, Imam Feisal said that similar to the controversy over the Danish cartoons and how they caused massive protests and put people in danger, strong-arming the mosque into moving away instead of holding proper negotiations and making compromises will ultimately be seen as a mark of America’s purported hatred against Islam, thereby serving Islamic extremists’ purposes. During the roundtable debate afterwards, one of the commentators claimed that this somehow meant Feisal was threatening retribution against the United States if he had to move the mosque.

85 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:24:31pm

“maybe i’m naive…..”

- yes, yes you are.

86 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:24:54pm

re: #82 Stanley Sea

Just state your point. Out loud, and clear.

You’ve been dancing way too long.

Tradewind doesn’t like Islam. Doesn’t want a the Cordoba Initiative to go through.

87 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:24:55pm

re: #81 jamesfirecat

I believe that I’ve seen that pair before, showgirls wasn’t it?

SMACK!

88 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:24:59pm

re: #55 Charles

You may recall I went after a photo essay on local Mosques. There is enough fear that I have been unable so far, but I’m working on it still. I’m not giving up.

89 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:25:01pm

re: #79 Cato the Elder

For the rest of the week, no one is allowed to spell “Gandhi” “Ghandi” in my presence.

I loved the movie Ghandy…… Danny DeVito played the role well.

/

90 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:25:19pm

Give this gift.

Lady. Oh lady.

I’m crying

91 tradewind  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:25:30pm

re: #70 Charles
Glee, not so much.
It’s a long way from Tennessee, and not really on my list of worries.
I wouldn’t be sorry to see the emotions calm down on both sides, and the issue fade from the headlines.

92 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:25:42pm

re: #84 SilentAlfa

To summarize, Imam Feisal said that similar to the controversy over the Danish cartoons and how they caused massive protests and put people in danger, strong-arming the mosque into moving away instead of holding proper negotiations and making compromises will ultimately be seen as a mark of America’s purported hatred against Islam, thereby serving Islamic extremists’ purposes. During the roundtable debate afterwards, one of the commentators claimed that this somehow meant Feisal was threatening retribution against the United States if he had to move the mosque.

Gotcha, I’m trying to find video of that. I’d really like to know who said that. One of the Usual Suspects?

93 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:25:50pm

re: #79 Cato the Elder

For the rest of the week, no one is allowed to spell “Gandhi” “Ghandi” in my presence.

You got something against Gandhee???

94 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:26:34pm

re: #91 tradewind

Glee, not so much.
It’s a long way from Tennessee, and not really on my list of worries.
I wouldn’t be sorry to see the emotions calm down on both sides, and the issue fade from the headlines.

Yeah, well … I say that as someone who’s noticed that you’re always right there to promote the anti-Muslim side in every single discussion.

95 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:26:37pm

Ok - CNN (the liberal network)………2 rabids, a concern troll & Anderson Cooper saying there is blame on all sides……..

fuck this shit.

(off button)

96 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:26:51pm

re: #79 Cato the Elder

For the rest of the week, no one is allowed to spell “Gandhi” “Ghandi” in my presence.

I’m going with the “What if he were a teenage girl” and spelling it “Gondee” (with a smiley face) for the rest of the week.

/in this scenario, he/she can still be a bigot

97 tradewind  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:27:39pm

re: #86 Varek Raith
Foggy Bottom’s calling. They want your mad intel skillz.

98 Gus  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:27:41pm

re: #95 wozzablog

Ok - CNN (the liberal network)…2 rabids, a concern troll & Anderson Cooper saying there is blame on all sides…

fuck this shit.

(off button)

They might as well have had Pam Geller on again?

99 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:28:10pm

re: #87 Dark_Falcon

SMACK!

What haven’t you seen the Nostalgia Chick’s review of Showgirls?

She uses boobies to cover up the… errr… um…

100 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:28:21pm

re: #97 tradewind

Foggy Bottom’s calling. They want your mad intel skillz.

Mad skillz?
Nope, you’re just far more obvious than you think you are.
;)

101 palomino  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:28:49pm

re: #80 wozzablog

David Gergen - Concern Troll.

Yeah, Gergen is usually pretty levelheaded. But on this issue he doesn’t seem to have much of a problem with the Park 51 opponents.

102 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:28:52pm

Is it just my preconceived position that is making me see the poor sister of the firefighter and the dude in charge of the construction worker boycott as

NOT ENLIGHTENED? really caught up in the hate?

Do they appear that way to….others?

103 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:29:01pm

re: #90 Stanley Sea

Give this gift.

Lady. Oh lady.

I’m crying


She is a broken personality for perfectly understandable reasons. Actually I’m glad that got exposed. It’s a clarion example of the larger problem.

104 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:29:18pm

re: #98 Gus 802

They might as well have had Pam Geller on again?

quality of argument couldn’t have decreased.

“the middle class has been ignored too long …… this mosque issue is the straw that broke the back of the middle class, the silent majority………..”

(and i thought it was teabags)

105 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:30:03pm

re: #97 tradewind

Foggy Bottom’s calling. They want your mad intel skillz.

admit it trade!

106 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:30:29pm

re: #97 tradewind

Foggy Bottom’s calling. They want your mad intel skillz.

Mandy’s calling. She misses your auto-updings.

107 jaunte  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:30:32pm

re: #102 Stanley Sea

Their underlying assumption, like other opponents to the project, is that there is no difference between moderate Muslims and the radical 9/11 attackers.

108 Gus  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:30:36pm

re: #104 wozzablog

quality of argument couldn’t have decreased.

“the middle class has been ignored too long … this mosque issue is the straw that broke the back of the middle class, the silent majority…”

(and i thought it was teabags)

The middle class? What the fecking hell does the middle class have to do with this? Ain’t that a hoot though. The wingnuts are trying to use “class warfare” as an argument. Irony.

109 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:31:05pm

“Radical Islam is the problem, moderate Islam is the solution”. Indeed. Here and in the M.E.

110 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:31:46pm

re: #106 Cato the Elder

Mandy’s calling. She misses your auto-updings.

FUCKING A.

deserved caps.

111 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:32:00pm

re: #109 Rightwingconspirator

“Radical Islam is the problem, moderate Islam is the solution”. Indeed. Here and in the M.E.

Who said that? I have no TV here.

112 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:32:13pm

re: #109 Rightwingconspirator

And it needs to be encouraged, not pissed on nor treated like unicorns.

113 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:32:14pm

re: #95 wozzablog

Ok - CNN (the liberal network)…2 rabids, a concern troll & Anderson Cooper saying there is blame on all sides…

fuck this shit.

(off button)

Comments on CNN:

nacho1
They can have their Islamic Center and worship THEIR God in this country BUT they should not be allowed to smear the 9-11 hallowed ground caused by Islamic radicals…….that is an absolute slap in our collective faces……….I am an American FIRST and a liberal LAST………….

sonnyz
These Muslim animals deserve no rights here in America.

Ironn
Sounds like blackmail to me. @#$% these Arabs.

CoffeeClue
He is concerned more about the threat from muslims overseas if they don’t build at GZ than the feelings inside the US??? What a bunch of BS.

TommyWiseau
blocking freedoms, yes.
mission complete to to the taliban, yes.

Intermediate
Is it just me or did that sly comment sound like a threat? Since the Islamic leader recognizes that it is a matter of national security then he shouldn’t mind us moving it a couple blocks down the street…

114 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:32:49pm

re: #95 wozzablog

Ok - CNN (the liberal network)…2 rabids, a concern troll & Anderson Cooper saying there is blame on all sides…

fuck this shit.

(off button)

Ya’ll are killing me: is it still on? TV? Web?
I gotta see this.

Is it over? They’ll transcript it later if it’s done.

115 Nimed  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:33:06pm

In the interview, there is this weird moment at the end when Rauf had to explain Soledad that there are no bodies of 9/11 victims buried underneath the Holy Burlington Coat Factory.

116 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:33:12pm

re: #108 Gus 802

The middle class? What the fecking hell does the middle class have to do with this? Ain’t that a hoot though. The wingnuts are trying to use “class warfare” as an argument. Irony.

“a construction worker against the community center”

guy is obviously just trying to be the next Sam (Joe The Plumber)
Wurzelbacher………


that shit was too painful to watch - its the reason i put a brick through my last teevee after catching 5 minutes of hannity while trying to find the remote…….

117 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:33:28pm

re: #109 Rightwingconspirator

“Radical Islam is the problem, moderate Islam is the solution”. Indeed. Here and in the M.E.

If there’s such a thing as “shallow Islam” we could probably use some of that as well…

(I’m imagining shallow Islam is at the opposite end of the pool to radical Islam with moderate Islam in the middle…)

118 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:34:26pm

Some video for those of us without tv……
Imam: Islamic center location a national security issue
This is the same argument made about burning the Quran. We can’t burn the Quran because it might anger Muslim terrorists overseas. We have to build the mosque or it will anger Muslim terrorists overseas. I’m all in favor of building the mosque but I really think it’s a very bad idea the start basing our freedoms on avoid offense to people who are always going to be offended. US casualties will not rise or fall over what happens to a mosque or a Quran in the US. It makes no fucking difference and I se no need to kiss the asses of violent foreign extremists.

119 Gus  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:34:30pm

re: #116 wozzablog

“a construction worker against the community center”

guy is obviously just trying to be the next Sam (Joe The Plumber)
Wurzelbacher…

that shit was too painful to watch - its the reason i put a brick through my last teevee after catching 5 minutes of hannity while trying to find the remote…

I can imagine what he sounded like. I used to live in the Northeast. Some brain dead knuckle dragging “dats da stowy!” pant load spewing out his thoughts.

120 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:34:48pm

re: #113 NJDhockeyfan

Comments on CNN:

TommyWiseau
blocking freedoms, yes.
mission complete to to the taliban, yes.

You are tearing me apart, Lisa!

121 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:35:06pm

I wonder how many wingbats have only just recently discovered the existence of the word “hallowed”, and whether any of them can trace its Indo-European roots?

Hint: It has nothing to do with an eternal hollow hole in the ground.

122 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:35:28pm

re: #99 jamesfirecat

What haven’t you seen the Nostalgia Chick’s review of Showgirls?

She uses boobies to cover up the… errr… um…

SMACK!

123 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:35:35pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

Some video for those of us without tv…
Imam: Islamic center location a national security issue
This is the same argument made about burning the Quran. We can’t burn the Quran because it might anger Muslim terrorists overseas. We have to build the mosque or it will anger Muslim terrorists overseas. I’m all in favor of building the mosque but I really think it’s a very bad idea the start basing our freedoms on avoid offense to people who are always going to be offended. US casualties will not rise or fall over what happens to a mosque or a Quran in the US. It makes no fucking difference and I se no need to kiss the asses of violent foreign extremists.

the biggest national security issue is with the nutjob freakzoids being whipped up and already desecrating Mosques across the country.

124 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:36:23pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

Some video for those of us without tv…
Imam: Islamic center location a national security issue
This is the same argument made about burning the Quran. We can’t burn the Quran because it might anger Muslim terrorists overseas. We have to build the mosque or it will anger Muslim terrorists overseas. I’m all in favor of building the mosque but I really think it’s a very bad idea the start basing our freedoms on avoid offense to people who are always going to be offended. US casualties will not rise or fall over what happens to a mosque or a Quran in the US. It makes no fucking difference and I se no need to kiss the asses of violent foreign extremists.

I’m with ya …

125 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:36:59pm

Pat Robertson!

126 tradewind  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:37:03pm

re: #94 Charles
Please note link I posted re local church that is supporting muslim community. And the koran burning is repugnant, and I’ve said so over and over.
I am not ’ anti-muslim ‘.
I am against the idea that every one who wishes that the park51 project would reconsider its location is a bigot.

127 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:37:22pm

re: #113 NJDhockeyfan

Comments on CNN:

Seeing comments like that should make all of us be thankful we have LGF. Charles puts a lot of time and money into keeping crap like that off this site.

128 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:37:29pm

re: #115 Nimed

In the interview, there is this weird moment at the end when Rauf had to explain Soledad that there are no bodies of 9/11 victims buried underneath the Holy Burlington Coat Factory.

There was a couple of weird questions. I cannot tell if it’s O’Brien on free reign or not, or if she’s asking questions they deem newsworthy to ask.

I think O’Brien does pretty good usually but I wonder about the philosophy in asking some of those questions.

‘Did you talk to all of the 9/11 families’ was just stupid, I think she flubbed a little there.

129 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:37:32pm

Pat Robertson is full of shit.

130 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:37:36pm

re: #108 Gus 802

The middle class? What the fecking hell does the middle class have to do with this? Ain’t that a hoot though. The wingnuts are trying to use “class warfare” as an argument. Irony.

GLENN BECK / FOX CENTRAL

I swear, after the Glenn Beck revival video, these people only parrot what they hear.

Sad

131 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:38:06pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

Some video for those of us without tv…
Imam: Islamic center location a national security issue
This is the same argument made about burning the Quran. We can’t burn the Quran because it might anger Muslim terrorists overseas. We have to build the mosque or it will anger Muslim terrorists overseas. I’m all in favor of building the mosque but I really think it’s a very bad idea the start basing our freedoms on avoid offense to people who are always going to be offended. US casualties will not rise or fall over what happens to a mosque or a Quran in the US. It makes no fucking difference and I se no need to kiss the asses of violent foreign extremists.

I think you’re missing the bigger picture here — he didn’t say the mosque had to be built to avoid enraging extremists. In fact, he said if he knew in advance what would happen, he wouldn’t have started the proposal. His point was that NOW it has become an issue that is being used by extremist factions.

132 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:38:17pm

It just feels like we haven’t learned a damned thing after reading some of those comments. I know they’re just anoyomous people on the internet but sheesh, I can’t believe there are actually Americans who think it’s okay to deny Muslims constiutional rights simply because they don’t like their theology. I hate everything Pat Robertson and those like him stand for on religion but he has a right to preach the bullshit he preaches. Many of our ancestors and I include mine among them came from backgrounds where their religion or belief system wasn’t popular to the establishment. We established freedom of speech and religion for exactly that purpose where someone didn’t have to feel oppressed by a national church.

133 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:38:23pm

re: #74 Dark_Falcon

They all went loony over at ‘Diary of Dorkus’ today. Someone showed up to call them stalkers and they went crazy-pile on. Fun to read.

Larry Snork Reisinger got tired of my asking him why he has refused my offer of a debate and had me banned at DoD. Or it may have been Mark Savage Donato who did the dirty deed because he was annoyed about my asking why he lost his license to drive trucks. The man is fifty years old, unemployed and living with his lefty mother. He actually blogged that he wanted to beat up his mother because he was tired of listening to her political views. He also failed on an epic scale with his blog war against Think Progress.

He is not plain stupid, he’s sofa-king stupid.

134 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:38:25pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

Some video for those of us without tv…
Imam: Islamic center location a national security issue
This is the same argument made about burning the Quran. We can’t burn the Quran because it might anger Muslim terrorists overseas. We have to build the mosque or it will anger Muslim terrorists overseas. I’m all in favor of building the mosque but I really think it’s a very bad idea the start basing our freedoms on avoid offense to people who are always going to be offended. US casualties will not rise or fall over what happens to a mosque or a Quran in the US. It makes no fucking difference and I se no need to kiss the asses of violent foreign extremists.

There is, however, an evident need to suck shit out of the asses of the ones who provide the oil.

Just ask George I or II.

135 Kragar  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:39:17pm

re: #129 Rightwingconspirator

Pat Robertson is full of shit.

This is not news.

136 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:40:11pm

re: #115 Nimed

In the interview, there is this weird moment at the end when Rauf had to explain Soledad that there are no bodies of 9/11 victims buried underneath the Holy Burlington Coat Factory.


yeah, quality journalism right there soledad.

137 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:40:13pm

re: #133 Reginald Perrin

Larry Snork Reisinger got tired of my asking him why he has refused my offer of a debate and had me banned at DoD. Or it may have been Mark Savage Donato who did the dirty deed because he was annoyed about my asking why he lost his license to drive trucks. The man is fifty years old, unemployed and living with his lefty mother. He actually blogged that he wanted to beat up his mother because he was tired of listening to her political views. He also failed on an epic scale with his blog war against Think Progress.

He is not plain stupid, he’s sofa-king stupid.

[Link: tvtropes.org…]

Well so much for that theory….

138 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:40:31pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

Some video for those of us without tv…
Imam: Islamic center location a national security issue
This is the same argument made about burning the Quran. We can’t burn the Quran because it might anger Muslim terrorists overseas. We have to build the mosque or it will anger Muslim terrorists overseas. I’m all in favor of building the mosque but I really think it’s a very bad idea the start basing our freedoms on avoid offense to people who are always going to be offended. US casualties will not rise or fall over what happens to a mosque or a Quran in the US. It makes no fucking difference and I se no need to kiss the asses of violent foreign extremists.

Agreed. One of Asop’s Fables had as its moral that “A Tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny.” Even if we do nothing, they’ll make some “Outrageous Outrage!!1” up. They need to stoke the rage to maintain their positions. Just like Glenn Beck.

139 tradewind  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:41:25pm

re: #115 Nimed
She doesn’t think that there are ’ bodies buried under the building ‘. She is referring to the idea, not an unreasonable one, that there continue to be bits and fragments of human remains found around the area.
The thing is, the bodies were pulverized, so pinning down a zone of where they could not be found isn’t really feasible, and it would spread far beyond this particular site.

140 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:42:37pm

re: #118 Killgore Trout

Some video for those of us without tv…
Imam: Islamic center location a national security issue
This is the same argument made about burning the Quran. We can’t burn the Quran because it might anger Muslim terrorists overseas. We have to build the mosque or it will anger Muslim terrorists overseas. I’m all in favor of building the mosque but I really think it’s a very bad idea the start basing our freedoms on avoid offense to people who are always going to be offended. US casualties will not rise or fall over what happens to a mosque or a Quran in the US. It makes no fucking difference and I se no need to kiss the asses of violent foreign extremists.

I get your point and agree with it but at this point the process has started. To not do these things are to give into the logic you (and I) disagree with.

In the case of burning the Quran, it specifically is to incite foreign extremists. The consequences of such an act are net result negative.

141 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:42:42pm

re: #135 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

This is not news.

Okay my bad. Pat Robertson is full of shit again still.
(Thanks for the opening)

142 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:43:25pm

re: #120 jamesfirecat

TommyWiseau
blocking freedoms, yes.
mission complete to to the taliban, yes.

You are tearing me apart, Lisa!

That movie was so bad it was great.

“I did not hit her, it’s not true! It’s bullshit! I did not hit her! I did *not*. Oh hi, Mark.”

143 tradewind  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:44:08pm

re: #75 Stanley Sea
Giving new meaning to the phrase ’ at a loss for words ‘.

144 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:44:27pm

re: #137 jamesfirecat

[Link: tvtropes.org…]

Well so much for that theory…

You can’t dismiss a trope based on one extreme outlier. And given that is “savage” we’re talking about, the emphasis is on ‘extreme’.

145 webevintage  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:44:35pm

re: #139 tradewind

She doesn’t think that there are ’ bodies buried under the building ‘. She is referring to the idea, not an unreasonable one, that there continue to be bits and fragments of human remains found around the area.
The thing is, the bodies were pulverized, so pinning down a zone of where they could not be found isn’t really feasible, and it would spread far beyond this particular site.

So all of the Eastern US is Ground Zero?

146 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:44:41pm

I’m stepping out for a smoke. Anti adrenaline shortcut. Ole’ Pat really pissed me off.
BRB

147 TedStriker  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:45:37pm

re: #139 tradewind

She doesn’t think that there are ’ bodies buried under the building ‘. She is referring to the idea, not an unreasonable one, that there continue to be bits and fragments of human remains found around the area.
The thing is, the bodies were pulverized, so pinning down a zone of where they could not be found isn’t really feasible, and it would spread far beyond this particular site.

And exactly what difference does this make? Are you saying that, with the all of the pulverized human remains that were scattered to the four winds on 9/11, Imam Rauf not be allowed to build 2 blocks away from Ground Zero? By that measure, all construction in lower Manhattan should cease, even the rebuild of the WTC.

It makes absolutely no sense…

148 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:45:38pm

re: #144 Dark_Falcon

You can’t dismiss a trope based on one extreme outlier. And given that is “savage” we’re talking about, the emphasis is on ‘extreme’.

I know, I know I was kidding around, more like this is a painful subversion of the trope….

Anyway I’m glad to hear that you’ve come around on Rauf…

149 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:45:50pm

re: #145 webevintage

So all of the Eastern US is Ground Zero?

including particles of matter that have circulated through the ether i wouldn’t stop there…….

150 Gus  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:45:59pm

re: #133 Reginald Perrin

Larry Snork Reisinger got tired of my asking him why he has refused my offer of a debate and had me banned at DoD. Or it may have been Mark Savage Donato who did the dirty deed because he was annoyed about my asking why he lost his license to drive trucks. The man is fifty years old, unemployed and living with his lefty mother. He actually blogged that he wanted to beat up his mother because he was tired of listening to her political views. He also failed on an epic scale with his blog war against Think Progress.

He is not plain stupid, he’s sofa-king stupid.

Image: Babyhuey.JPG

151 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:46:09pm

re: #145 webevintage

So all of the Eastern US is Ground Zero?

I’m ground zero!
I’m ground zero!
I’m ground zero!
I’M GROUND ZERO!

152 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:47:17pm

re: #151 jamesfirecat

I’m ground zero!
I’m ground zero!
I’m ground zero!
I’M GROUND ZERO!

NO I’M GROUND ZERO

153 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:47:17pm

re: #126 tradewind

Please note link I posted re local church that is supporting muslim community. And the koran burning is repugnant, and I’ve said so over and over.
I am not ’ anti-muslim ‘.
I am against the idea that every one who wishes that the park51 project would reconsider its location is a bigot.

Frame flipping the issue at hand to your poor victimization.

It is a way to hide avoid standing up and stating your case, which is not welcome and not enlightened.

Keep on dancing.

154 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:48:29pm

re: #151 jamesfirecat

I’m ground zero!
I’m ground zero!
I’m ground zero!
I’M GROUND ZERO!

Will the real ground zero stand up?

155 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:48:45pm

re: #149 wozzablog

including particles of matter that have circulated through the ether i wouldn’t stop there…

I like to think that every time I fart people are inhaling my tiny turds. But in reality it’s only caustic butt gasses, not exactly the same thing.

On a serious note, that was a dud question from O’Brien.

156 jaunte  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:48:50pm

Cliff May up next.

157 tradewind  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:48:55pm

re: #145 webevintage

SIgh. No. Just the opposite.
If you object to my post, I believe it’s because you are missing my point. I am saying that using that as an argument against building is not really possible, because you can’t just rope off all of Manhattan.
There will never be a clear perimeter of where remains were no longer a possibility. It has to be let go.

158 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:48:59pm

re: #131 Charles

I think you’re missing the bigger picture here — he didn’t say the mosque had to be built to avoid enraging extremists. In fact, he said if he knew in advance what would happen, he wouldn’t have started the proposal. His point was that NOW it has become an issue that is being used by extremist factions.

This though, will be the whole take away from his interview.

Again, I am sad.

159 Gus  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:50:15pm

re: #156 jaunte

Cliff May up next.

Quick review leads me to believe he’s just another anti-Jihad pimp.

160 tradewind  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:50:50pm

re: #147 talon_262
No. See [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

161 TedStriker  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:51:16pm

re: #133 Reginald Perrin

Larry Snork Reisinger got tired of my asking him why he has refused my offer of a debate and had me banned at DoD. Or it may have been Mark Savage Donato who did the dirty deed because he was annoyed about my asking why he lost his license to drive trucks. The man is fifty years old, unemployed and living with his lefty mother. He actually blogged that he wanted to beat up his mother because he was tired of listening to her political views. He also failed on an epic scale with his blog war against Think Progress.

He is not plain stupid, he’s sofa-king stupid.

I wonder if ol’ savage lost his CDL over something concerning his love of firearms…not that I really care about that in the end, though.

162 jaunte  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:51:43pm

re: #159 Gus 802

He thinks it’s unfair that people are being called bigots.

163 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:51:47pm

ok -

1) America was founded on the principal that people should be allowed to practice their religion freely.

2) The constitution says it’s ok

3) Titty bars

4 ) The area needs the community center

5) The people building this thing were not any part of 9/11…………

(have i missed anything?)

164 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:52:31pm

Whoa. Cliff May: “after all, Christians were the ones who founded this great nation.”

Unreal.

165 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:52:37pm

re: #156 jaunte

Cliff May up next.

I know Cliff. I like Cliff. Cliff is the reporter who said “The Libertarian Party is and will always be the party of the future.”

166 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:52:42pm

“Put the Mosque on a lower floor” Aw geez.

167 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:52:51pm

Pat Robertson, suffering again from infernal obstipation and Pilatic piles, invokes his true lord.

168 jaunte  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:52:55pm

May wants a church on a high floor, a synagogue on a slightly lower floor, and a mosque on the bottom of the project.

169 TedStriker  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:53:08pm

re: #160 tradewind

No. See [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

OK, so it’s not necessarily you that I disagree with, but the person you quoted/paraphrased.

170 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:53:11pm

I can’t believe how many masks are dropping here.

171 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:53:17pm

re: #163 wozzablog

and how fucking difficult bis any of that to grasp for the average wingnut - now 71% of the population……..(according to whichever poll was read out)

172 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:53:30pm

re: #168 jaunte

Who is this guy? WTF!!

173 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:53:45pm

Behind in comments at LGF

but this debate on CNN?

we are in trouble

174 webevintage  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:53:57pm

re: #164 Charles

Whao. Cliff May: “after all, Christians were the ones who founded this great nation.”

Unreal.

Damn.
I can’t watch because hubby is watching Dark Blue (stupid show, but that Cylon is in it) so the TV is taken.

175 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:54:01pm

re: #168 jaunte

May wants a church on a high floor, a synagogue on a slightly lower floor, and a mosque on the bottom of the project.

What no zen garden with shinto shirne?

176 SilentAlfa  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:54:09pm

Ahahaha this guy just said that he is not a bigot, then he says that since it is an interfaith center, they should put a church on the top floor and the mosque on the bottom floor because Christians are objectively superior

Thanks former national republican committee chairman

177 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:54:10pm

re: #164 Charles

Whoa. Cliff May: “after all, Christians were the ones who founded this great nation.”

Unreal.

Well, they were Christians.

The Puritans who wanted freedom to worship.

The Quakers who wanted freedom to worship.

The Catholics who wanted freedom to worship.

Without being burnt, or given a religious oath test, or driven out of town.

(Then there was Georgia, which was full of debtors, but we can discuss that later.)

178 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:54:15pm

re: #153 Stanley Sea

Frame flipping the issue at hand to your poor victimization.

It is a way to hide avoid standing up and stating your case, which is not welcome and not enlightened.

Keep on dancing.

For the record, I am not enlightened either.

179 Walter L. Newton  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:54:19pm

re: #170 Charles

I can’t believe how many masks are dropping here.

What?

180 Gus  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:54:33pm

Looks like a lot of astroturfers are showing up at CNN tonight. I mean the ones speaking on the air.

181 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:55:03pm

re: #174 webevintage

Damn.
I can’t watch because hubby is watching Dark Blue (stupid show, but that Cylon is in it) so the TV is taken.

Get a TV card for your TV……. one of the best investments I ever made.

182 jaunte  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:55:10pm

re: #172 Rightwingconspirator

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

183 tradewind  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:55:30pm

re: #169 talon_262
That works.
And she knew better.

184 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:55:55pm

re: #173 Stanley Sea

Now I think this will get more violent. This is still accelerating. As tense as the post Rodney King riot days.

185 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:56:06pm

I think Rauf should flip it: there has been discussion of a shrine within the Park51 center to 9/11. What better way for Islam to stand against the terror than to commemorate the act, at that place, with a statement sharing in pain with all Americans and calling for growth from it.

186 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:56:10pm

populism - smells a lot like the propellant used on the embers - don’tcha think?

187 webevintage  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:56:18pm

re: #181 Mr Pancakes

Get a TV card for your TV… one of the best investments I ever made.

I’m a moron, what is a TV Card?

188 TedStriker  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:56:45pm

re: #168 jaunte

May wants a church on a high floor, a synagogue on a slightly lower floor, and a mosque on the bottom of the project.

He might as well have asked Muslims to sit at the back of the bus, IMO…

189 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:56:52pm

I just don’t believe that exchange.

190 Reginald Perrin  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:56:58pm

re: #150 Gus 802

He is also mad as a hatter……he has advocated for a military coup against the government and the assassination of the current president.

191 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:57:16pm

re: #154 NJDhockeyfan

Will the real ground zero stand up?

Hiroshima and Nagasaki can’t stand up.

192 TedStriker  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:57:28pm

re: #187 webevintage

I’m a moron, what is a TV Card?

I think he meant a TV card for your computer, so you can watch stuff while you surf/post.

193 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:58:06pm

re: #129 Rightwingconspirator

Pat Robertson is full of shit.

I don’t even have to hear what he’s saying to know that you speak the truth.

194 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:58:28pm

re: #182 jaunte

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

That’s the guy that called for the Mosque to be on the lower floor? That was so offensive.

195 Gus  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:58:45pm

re: #190 Reginald Perrin

He is also mad as a hatter…he has advocated for a military coup against the government and the assassination of the current president.

They’re all a bunch of psychopaths over there.

196 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:59:17pm

re: #191 Varek Raith

Hiroshima and Nagasaki can’t stand up.

Ouch!

197 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 7:59:30pm

this is CNN people - can we drop the liberal mainstream media meme thing yet?

198 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:00:53pm

re: #187 webevintage

I’m a moron, what is a TV Card?

It’s a card that will allow you to view your TV on the computer….. you can re-size the window to watch and blog at the same time. I have an Aver…. but there are many brands…… they’re around 100 bucks……. you can probably find one cheaper.

199 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:01:01pm

re: #197 wozzablog

this is CNN people - can we drop the liberal mainstream media meme thing yet?

I thought we did that the day they hired Erik son of Erik….

200 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:01:15pm

re: #197 wozzablog

this is CNN people - can we drop the liberal mainstream media meme thing yet?

Why?

201 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:01:35pm

re: #192 talon_262

I think he meant a TV card for your computer, so you can watch stuff while you surf/post.

Yea … that was a typo

202 Nimed  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:01:40pm

re: #139 tradewind

She doesn’t think that there are ’ bodies buried under the building ‘. She is referring to the idea, not an unreasonable one, that there continue to be bits and fragments of human remains found around the area.
The thing is, the bodies were pulverized, so pinning down a zone of where they could not be found isn’t really feasible, and it would spread far beyond this particular site.

Are you saying that those families object to the construction of the Cultural Center because the fragments of their relatives may be in that building? Well. I don’t know what to say to that, it sounds both more reasonable and creepier.

203 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:02:17pm

re: #200 NJDhockeyfan

Why?

this amount of red meat wingnut talking points populism………..

204 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:02:59pm

re: #196 Rightwingconspirator

Ouch!

Calling the WTC site “Ground Zero” has always bothered me.

205 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:03:09pm

re: #170 Charles

I can’t believe how many masks are dropping here.

Almost makes me wish I had cable. Almost.

206 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:03:25pm

re: #190 Reginald Perrin

He is also mad as a hatter…he has advocated for a military coup against the government and the assassination of the current president.

Sounds like a man the Secret Service should talk to.

207 tradewind  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:03:33pm

re: #202 Nimed
No.
Keep reading. Others here have gotten it, it’ll come to you.

208 Gus  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:03:42pm

re: #204 Varek Raith

Calling the WTC site “Ground Zero” has always bothered me.

Personally, I don’t think they should build a memorial of that magnitude over there.

209 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:04:09pm

re: #205 Slumbering Behemoth

Almost makes me wish I had cable. Almost.

I’d 86 cable if it wasn’t for Monday Night Football.

210 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:05:08pm

Evening honcos.

211 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:05:16pm

headed to bed.

anyone following may be pleased to know my printer is now working again.

hurah.

212 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:05:24pm

re: #209 Mr Pancakes

I ditched it in the early ’90s and never looked back. I like the internet better.

213 tradewind  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:05:29pm

re: #204 Varek Raith
You! How do you think Morgan Freeman feels about it. Harshes the mellow at a really cool blues club down the road a bit. //

214 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:05:45pm

re: #204 Varek Raith

Calling the WTC site “Ground Zero” has always bothered me.

It is what it is. The good news, as Lawhawk has pointed out, is that the construction of the Freedom Tower is now well underway. As it rises, the site will look less like a hole in the ground and more like the commercial high-rise space it should be.

215 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:05:55pm

re: #211 wozzablog

headed to bed.

anyone following may be pleased to know my printer is now working again.

hurah.

Wow, you really are kinky.

216 webevintage  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:06:08pm

Thanks guy about the TV card thing.

217 tradewind  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:06:10pm

re: #210 Cannadian Club Akbar
Howdy honco.
Out for the night.

218 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:06:31pm

Frankly, given the amount of wingbatmoonnuttia that promises to concentrate itself in NYC on Saturday, I wouldn’t know whose shoes to go and piss on, Geller’s or Sheehan’s.

But since Mama Sheehan probably wears Keds, I guess I’d have to go for Pammie’s Manolos.

219 tradewind  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:07:00pm

re: #211 wozzablog
We can all sleep now.

220 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:07:09pm

re: #218 Cato the Elder

Frankly, given the amount of wingbatmoonnuttia that promises to concentrate itself in NYC on Saturday, I wouldn’t know whose shoes to go and piss on, Geller’s or Sheehan’s.

But since Mama Sheehan probably wears Keds, I guess I’d have to go for Pammie’s Manolos.

Drink lots of water. Problem solved.

221 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:07:42pm

re: #220 Varek Raith

Drink lots of water. Problem solved.

Tell me you meant to say beer.

222 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:08:08pm

re: #221 Cannadian Club Akbar

Tell me you meant to say beer.

If it makes ya pee more, than yes.

223 Kronocide  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:08:10pm

Cindy Sheehan and Pamela Geller… TOGETHER AT LAST!

224 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:08:42pm

re: #197 wozzablog

This was amazing television. Kudos and thanks to CNN. Gave me a good look at Imam Rauf. And a slap for letting unvarnished bigotry off way too easy in the post interview round table.

225 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:08:47pm

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

As it rises, the site will look less like a hole in the ground and more like the commercial high-rise space it should be.

that last little bit kind of sticks a little bit in the throat.

226 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:08:56pm

re: #216 webevintage

Thanks guy about the TV card thing.

It’s easy to hook up…… you just screw your tv cable into it, it’s not an internet thing.

227 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:09:00pm

re: #223 BigPapa

Cindy Sheehan and Pamela Geller… TOGETHER AT LAST!

I need brain bleach.
/

228 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:09:29pm

By the way, when exactly did Cindy Moonbat turn Troofer?

I mean to say, when did she attain the 33rd degree of Master Idiot in the Grand Lefty Lodge of Imbecility?

229 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:09:55pm

re: #214 Dark_Falcon

It is what it is. The good news, as Lawhawk has pointed out, is that the construction of the Freedom Tower is now well underway. As it rises, the site will look less like a hole in the ground and more like the commercial high-rise space it should be.

And it only took us one decade to do it…

Image: istockphoto_2353085_party_favors.jpg

230 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:09:55pm

re: #224 Rightwingconspirator

This was amazing television. Kudos and thanks to CNN. Gave me a good look at Imam Rauf. And a slap for letting unvarnished bigotry off way too easy in the post interview round table.

the Rauf feature was good - but the deadbrained clusterfuck that followed was pure FNC. realy bad, like throw the teevee in the river bad.

231 prairiefire  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:11:12pm

re: #209 Mr Pancakes

I’d 86 cable if it wasn’t for Monday Night Football.

True Blood
Weeds
Movies

232 prairiefire  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:12:06pm

re: #230 wozzablog

the Rauf feature was good - but the deadbrained clusterfuck that followed was pure FNC. realy bad, like throw the teevee in the river bad.

Lately I’ve been looking around at my fellow country men and sighing a lot.

233 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:12:32pm

re: #231 prairiefire

True Blood
Weeds
Movies

Burn Notice
Covert Affairs
NatGeo.

234 Kragar  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:12:36pm

re: #231 prairiefire

True Blood
Weeds
Movies

Netflix

235 Nimed  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:12:57pm

The fact that the Park 51 project made the NYT front page in December 2009 without anyone raising objections at the time is pretty instructive.

The current opposers to the Cultural Center literally had to be told “Why aren’t you angry? You should get outraged about this, Muslims will build this thing and then point and snicker at you!”.

236 TedStriker  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:13:18pm

re: #233 Cannadian Club Akbar

Burn Notice
Covert Affairs
NatGeo.

Military Channel
Science Channel
Discovery Channel

237 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:13:27pm

re: #231 prairiefire

True Blood
Weeds
Movies

Ummmmm which defeats my NEED to watch NFL Football…….. which starts tomorrow BTW. (Mr Pancakes rubs his hand with glee!)

238 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:13:27pm

re: #235 Nimed

The fact that the Park 51 project made the NYT front page in December 2009 without anyone raising objections at the time is pretty instructive.

The current opposers to the Cultural Center literally had to be told “Why aren’t you angry? You should get outraged about this, Muslims will build this thing and then point and snicker at you!”.

DING DING DING

239 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:13:30pm

re: #233 Cannadian Club Akbar

Burn Notice
Covert Affairs
NatGeo.

Leverage.
Deadliest Warrior
Futurama.

240 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:13:32pm

re: #230 wozzablog

the Rauf feature was good - but the deadbrained clusterfuck that followed was pure FNC. realy bad, like throw the teevee in the river bad.

I was waiting for someone to blame Fox News for CNN’s discussion on Imam Feisal Rauf’s interview. LOL…thanks for the humor!

241 Nimed  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:13:49pm

re: #207 tradewind

No.
Keep reading. Others here have gotten it, it’ll come to you.

I understand you don’t agree, but that what you say they’re saying, right?

242 Political Atheist  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:13:51pm

re: #230 wozzablog

And I left Border Wars to jump in when Charles brought it up. I certainly would have missed the best TV I have seen in quite a while.

Thanks much Charles.

As I watch Border Wars I look forward to the next time Immigration comes up.

243 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:14:11pm

re: #223 BigPapa

Cindy Sheehan and Pamela Geller… TOGETHER AT LAST!

Cindy & Pam—the new sitcom from CNN.

Two wacky single, yet, um attractive moms with similar, yet opposite personalities live as roomies in a brownstone in New York. Come see hilarity ensue when they both try to protest the same site on the same day!

244 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:14:31pm

re: #231 prairiefire

True Blood
Weeds
Movies

My argument for the internet v. cable:

Free pr0n
LGF
Free pr0n

did I mention the free pr0n?

245 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:14:36pm

re: #230 wozzablog

the Rauf feature was good - but the deadbrained clusterfuck that followed was pure FNC News-Entertainment TV. really bad, like throw the teevee in the river bad.

Fixed.

246 Lidane  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:14:37pm

re: #95 wozzablog

CNN isn’t liberal. They’ve tried to position themselves as the squishy moderates, making a big deal about Being Very Concerned about fairness to all sides. They take the Faux News “fair and balanced” lie and try to make it true, but at the cost of having a clear opinion on anything at all.

247 prairiefire  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:14:50pm

re: #234 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Netflix

I really don’t like the Netflix que (sp?) I’ve seen so many movies, I would rather be able to look at complete catalogue all at once. Plus, I forget to put it in the mailbox.

248 Cannadian Club Akbar  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:15:17pm

re: #239 jamesfirecat

Leverage.
Deadliest Warrior
Futurama.

I watched Deadliest Warrior once. A SEAL decapitated the dummy in about 30 seconds. With a small knife.

249 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:15:21pm

re: #244 Slumbering Behemoth

My argument for the internet v. cable:

Free pr0n
LGF
Free pr0n

did I mention the free pr0n?

Shaaa…… I have cable and I get free pr0n!

250 Dark_Falcon  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:15:27pm

re: #233 Cannadian Club Akbar

Burn Notice
Covert Affairs
NatGeo.

Great stuff. USA has some great series.

251 prairiefire  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:15:32pm

re: #239 jamesfirecat

Leverage.
Deadliest Warrior
Futurama.

Mad Men.
I tried Leverage, but it just didn’t take.

252 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:15:35pm

re: #178 Cato the Elder

For the record, I am not enlightened either.

bullshit.

253 Wozza Matter?  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:15:43pm

re: #240 NJDhockeyfan

I was waiting for someone to blame Fox News for CNN’s discussion on Imam Feisal Rauf’s interview. LOL…thanks for the humor!

i didn’t say they were to blame - i just said they scraped the bottom of the same barrel.

254 Kragar  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:16:04pm

re: #247 prairiefire

I really don’t like the Netflix que (sp?) I’ve seen so many movies, I would rather be able to look at complete catalogue all at once. Plus, I forget to put it in the mailbox.

I watch most of the stuff on instant queue on my PC

255 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:16:20pm

re: #248 Cannadian Club Akbar

I watched Deadliest Warrior once. A SEAL decapitated the dummy in about 30 seconds. With a small knife.

Do you know how many times my children have quoted Ratatouille?

“I killed a man…with this thumb…”

256 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:16:45pm

re: #235 Nimed

The fact that the Park 51 project made the NYT front page in December 2009 without anyone raising objections at the time is pretty instructive.

The current opposers to the Cultural Center literally had to be told “Why aren’t you angry? You should get outraged about this, Muslims will build this thing and then point and snicker at you!”.

Shit, people here have shown links of Laura Ingraham telling Imam Rauf’s wife that “she liked what they were doing here” and then showing her coming out against it. It just seems awfully inconveinient and it bugs me that we a country with a first amendment are using the “insensitive card.” Not trying to be a jerk to people who lost family on 9-11 but you don’t get to circumvent free speech or religion because of hurt feelings. It just doesn’t work that way.

257 prairiefire  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:16:50pm

re: #255 EmmmieG

“Anyone can cook!!”

258 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:17:05pm

re: #234 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Netflix

Damn straight.

Screw teevee. Haven’t watched mine since well before the Feds gave one of the biggest corporate welfare handouts to private industry in the entire history of this sad-ass excuse for a republic - the decree, by government fiat, that everyone has to buy an HD set or a converter box.

I will never watch it again, either, unless I can’t convince the waiter to shut the mofo braindeathbox off at the restaurant.

259 darthstar  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:17:33pm

re: #240 NJDhockeyfan

I was waiting for someone to blame Fox News for CNN’s discussion on Imam Feisal Rauf’s interview. LOL…thanks for the humor!

No need to get defensive…that wasn’t “blaming Fox news”…it was merely comparing CNN’s discussion to the Fox news level of stupidity.

260 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:17:47pm

re: #248 Cannadian Club Akbar

I watched Deadliest Warrior once. A SEAL decapitated the dummy in about 30 seconds. With a small knife.

Yes it was glorious if you’re into that kind of thing, it’s not even close to Mythbuster level quality but it’s good macho chest thumping fun…

Boys and their toys as people say….

261 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:18:02pm

re: #251 prairiefire

Mad Men.
I tried Leverage, but it just didn’t take.

WHAT?

WHY?

262 darthstar  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:18:41pm

re: #253 wozzablog

i didn’t say they were to blame - i just said they scraped the bottom of the same barrel.

You’d have better luck explaining evolution to Sarah Palin.

263 sagehen  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:18:54pm

re: #233 Cannadian Club Akbar

Burn Notice
Covert Affairs
NatGeo.


White Collar
Eureka
Glee

264 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:19:02pm

I just found this via Memorandum…

Qu’ran Burning Church Linked To Westboro Baptist Church

The blog is Liberty Pundits and I never heard of them. Is this a true story?

265 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:20:40pm

re: #207 tradewind

No.
Keep reading. Others here have gotten it, it’ll come to you.

Gah. You are often on the side of factual error. But then of course, you dip into insult.

That’s all you got?

Dance

266 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:20:42pm

re: #249 Mr Pancakes

Shaaa… I have cable and I get free pr0n!

Cable takes time away from LGF. And the free pr0n.

267 Lidane  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:21:22pm

re: #248 Cannadian Club Akbar

I watched Deadliest Warrior once. A SEAL decapitated the dummy in about 30 seconds. With a small knife.

I have such a ridiculous love for that show. It’s fun.

268 Lidane  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:22:48pm

re: #263 sagehen

White Collar
Burn Notice
Psych

269 Stan the Demanded Plan  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:23:05pm

re: #228 Cato the Elder

By the way, when exactly did Cindy Moonbat turn Troofer?

I mean to say, when did she attain the 33rd degree of Master Idiot in the Grand Lefty Lodge of Imbecility?

WHO CARES ABOUT CINDY SHEEHAN

Seriously. Only heard about the loss of her son. The other stuff - all LGF concerns.

270 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:23:18pm

re: #266 Slumbering Behemoth

Cable takes time away from LGF. And the free pr0n.

Not with a TV card dude!

271 webevintage  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:32:30pm

re: #251 prairiefire

Mad Men.
I tried Leverage, but it just didn’t take.

Mad men.
This week’s episode was just. so. damn. good.
Great TV.

Sons of Anarchy (last night was brutal)
Project Runway
Sunny in Philadelphia (sept. 16th)

and of course Doctor Who

272 avanti  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:39:40pm

re: #139 tradewind

She doesn’t think that there are ’ bodies buried under the building ‘. She is referring to the idea, not an unreasonable one, that there continue to be bits and fragments of human remains found around the area.
The thing is, the bodies were pulverized, so pinning down a zone of where they could not be found isn’t really feasible, and it would spread far beyond this particular site.

Then maybe they find some remains that far away when they build the center, but that would mean there might be some at the strip club too.

Besides, would they not tend to be found on the roof, I know some were found much closer on roofs. Not being snarky, but that’s quite a reach.

273 elbruce  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:39:49pm

re: #165 Walter L. Newton

I know Cliff. I like Cliff. Cliff is the reporter who said “The Libertarian Party is and will always be the party of the future.”

That’s just ‘cuz they got no success in the past or present. :P

274 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 8:46:47pm

re: #269 Stanley Sea

WHO CARES ABOUT CINDY SHEEHAN

Seriously. Only heard about the loss of her son. The other stuff - all LGF concerns.

Just another insane moonbat who can’t get over the fact that the insane-o-meter no longer registers her end of the spectrum.

Pathetic loser limelight hog, in other words.

But my moonbat relatives still love her.

275 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 9:04:58pm

re: #270 Mr Pancakes

Not with a TV card dude!

Dead thread, but…

I refuse to pay a monthly fee for commercial television. If they’re selling tons of ad slots, they don’t need my money to watch they’re crap.

276 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 9:12:41pm

re: #275 Slumbering Behemoth

Dead thread, but…

I refuse to pay a monthly fee for commercial television. If they’re selling tons of ad slots, they don’t need my money to watch they’re crap.

You can get over the air TV on your TV card.

277 Mr Pancakes  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 9:13:17pm

re: #276 Mr Pancakes

You can get over the air TV on your TV card.

In HD!

278 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 9:16:54pm

re: #276 Mr Pancakes

You can get over the air TV on your TV card.

I used to when I had one.

True story. I hooked my vcr up to my TV card and would watch pr0n in a small window on the occasions when I worked from home. Damn I love America!

279 b_sharp  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 9:19:46pm

re: #278 Slumbering Behemoth

I used to when I had one.

True story. I hooked my vcr up to my TV card and would watch pr0n in a small window on the occasions when I worked from home. Damn I love America!

I take it you’ve evolved a third hand.

280 Stonemason  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 9:23:23pm

At 2:29 in the video linked here, Rauf says what I have been saying for weeks. He shows more compassion with 7 simple words than everyone who as attacked me here.
I will say it once again, as I did way back in the begining, not all who oppose the location are bigots.

The quote:

“I understand the sensitivity of the people…”

Which is all I ever said.

281 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 9:27:13pm

re: #279 b_sharp

You don’t have to be, er, “active” in order to appreciate the beauty of pr0n.

And now Bill Hicks with the weather. (NSFW)

282 angel Graham  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 10:45:28pm

Let me get this straight:

1. Building a Culture Center that has a mosque in it 2 block from Ground Zero is desecrating “Holy Ground” because of the ashes and remains of the victims of 9/11.

2. Building the Freedom Tower that will have shopping and offices AT Ground Zero is NOT desecrating “Holy Ground” even though it is the spot where ashes and remains of victims of 9/11 are.

I guess I don’t get it.

Let the Imam build the dag gone Cultural Center and get off HIS lawn!

PS>
Wish I were going to be in Gainsville on 9/11. I am a Christian, but I’d burn a Bible just to spite that despicable piece of crap that calls himself a “pastor” in a heart beat. I think it’s quite ironic that burning a Holy Book is the proper way of disposing of one. Does he realize that yet?

283 angel Graham  Wed, Sep 8, 2010 10:47:38pm

re: #282 sadangel

Let me get this straight:

1. Building a Culture Center that has a mosque in it 2 block from Ground Zero is desecrating “Holy Ground” because of the ashes and remains of the victims of 9/11.

2. Building the Freedom Tower that will have shopping and offices AT Ground Zero is NOT desecrating “Holy Ground” even though it is the spot where ashes and remains of victims of 9/11 are.

I guess I don’t get it.

Let the Imam build the dag gone Cultural Center and get off HIS lawn!

PS>
Wish I were going to be in Gainsville on 9/11. I am a Christian, but I’d burn a Bible just to spite that despicable piece of crap that calls himself a “pastor” in a heart beat. I think it’s quite ironic that burning a Holy Book is the proper way of disposing of one. Does he realize that yet?

Number 1 should have read:
Building a Culture Center that has a mosque in it 2 block from Ground Zero is desecrating “Holy Ground” because of the ashes and remains of the victims of 9/11, might, but most likely are not there. At least not the remains.

284 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 12:49:27am

re: #269 Stanley Sea

WHO CARES ABOUT CINDY SHEEHAN

Seriously. Only heard about the loss of her son. The other stuff - all LGF concerns.

pretty much!

285 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 1:02:40am

re: #129 Rightwingconspirator

Pat Robertson is full of shit.

Actually, he was measured recently and found to be a quart low.

re: #163 wozzablog

ok -

1) America was founded on the principal that people should be allowed to practice their religion freely.

Principle, not principal.

re: #177 EmmmieG

Well, they were Christians.

The Puritans who wanted freedom to worship.

The Quakers who wanted freedom to worship.

The Catholics who wanted freedom to worship.

Without being burnt, or given a religious oath test, or driven out of town.

(Then there was Georgia, which was full of debtors, but we can discuss that later.)

And Connecticut and Rhode Island, which were founded by people who wanted the freedom to worship and live differently than the “freedom-loving” Puritans.

286 Laughing Gas  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 1:26:47am

I think that Rauf needs to answer some questions about that tenement/slum he owns in Jersey City. This kinds of issues can sink any positive feelings people have about this issue.

Also, did anybody watch the Anderson Cooper roundtable after the interview? They interviewed this construction crew chief named Andy Sullivan (weird coincidence) who is steadfastly opposed to the center. Here’s a link about his background and position. At first, I thought this guy was solely motivated by grief and bitterness over the attack. Then I checked out his website, www.bluecollarcorner.com, and it turns out he’s a loony right-wing Glenn Beck acolyte who’s been posting for a year now. There’s a nice little post there regarding his view of Hispanic immigrants, and he constantly refers to the president as Barack Hussein Obama (emphasis on Hussein). Apparently Anderson Cooper didn’t bother to check this out and question him on this.

287 garhighway  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 5:10:47am

re: #139 tradewind

She doesn’t think that there are ’ bodies buried under the building ‘. She is referring to the idea, not an unreasonable one, that there continue to be bits and fragments of human remains found around the area.
The thing is, the bodies were pulverized, so pinning down a zone of where they could not be found isn’t really feasible, and it would spread far beyond this particular site.

And therefore nothing should ever be built there?

Or only community centers for brown people?

288 garhighway  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 5:12:19am

re: #286 Juice

I think that Rauf needs to answer some questions about that tenement/slum he owns in Jersey City. This kinds of issues can sink any positive feelings people have about this issue.

No.

He needs to answer the same exact questions anyone else has to answer to build a building in downtown Manhattan. No more, no less.

289 Dad O' Blondes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:07:33am

re: #118 Killgore Trout

Some video for those of us without tv…
Imam: Islamic center location a national security issue
This is the same argument made about burning the Quran. We can’t burn the Quran because it might anger Muslim terrorists overseas. We have to build the mosque or it will anger Muslim terrorists overseas. I’m all in favor of building the mosque but I really think it’s a very bad idea the start basing our freedoms on avoid offense to people who are always going to be offended. US casualties will not rise or fall over what happens to a mosque or a Quran in the US. It makes no fucking difference and I se no need to kiss the asses of violent foreign extremists.

The imam’s remarks here have elevated the argument to a game of chicken — and that’s a game he will lose.

.

290 GoldenCalf  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 6:20:13am

In his childhood according to reports he said very different things…I hope he is not pulling our legs on this one.

291 Petero1818  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:08:20am

re: #24 jamesfirecat

kiss the strip clubs goodbye//

292 Petero1818  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:21:15am

re: #118 Killgore Trout

Some video for those of us without tv…
Imam: Islamic center location a national security issue
This is the same argument made about burning the Quran. We can’t burn the Quran because it might anger Muslim terrorists overseas. We have to build the mosque or it will anger Muslim terrorists overseas. I’m all in favor of building the mosque but I really think it’s a very bad idea the start basing our freedoms on avoid offense to people who are always going to be offended. US casualties will not rise or fall over what happens to a mosque or a Quran in the US. It makes no fucking difference and I se no need to kiss the asses of violent foreign extremists.

When I saw the interview I cringed when the Imam said that had he known what would have happened he never would have done it. Then, he went on to justify building it on the basis of the reaction in the Muslim world. I agree, it was a terrible mistake. Firstly, it opens up the counter argument, that we should be wary of the fact that radicals overseas will view the building of the Mosque as “conquered land” and the coming “Islamification” of the USA. The reality is that the case should be fought on the basis of American liberties. Full Stop. When American lament the internment of Japanese during the WW, they do not do so because of how it was perceived in Japan or the rest of the world, they lament the shame of having acted out of fear and contrary to their values and the values of the country. The Imam is right. If they don’t build it, it will be read as a war on Islam in parts of the Muslim world. But that is not the basis on which it should be justified.

293 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:44:37am

I see that the bigots are infesting the end of every thread this morning.

294 Jeff In Ohio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:57:09am

re: #290 GoldenCalf

In his childhood according to reports he said very different things…I hope he is not pulling our legs on this one.

When I was a child, I said things like “Mommy, I pooped my pants.” These days, I say “Your stupidity makes me shit my pants.”

295 Kewalo  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 11:57:44am

I wish I’d thought to drop by last night after the interview and round table because I was pissed. I did write CNN and tell them it was the worst interview ever.

I thought Soledad did a terrible job. She kept interrupting him and what really started getting me pissed was she kept bringing up the 71% poll, as if we govern by polls. Can you imagine what the numbers would have been like when they passed the Civil rights bill?

I thought that CNN looked like FNC lite last night and I was totally disgusted.


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