American Family Association Spokesman Fischer: Treat Muslims Like Neo-Nazis

WingnutsSeptember 2010 • Views: 3,106

The Christian group called the American Family Association is one of the most hateful, deranged organizations in the US, and yesterday their spokesman Bryan Fischer wrote a post on their website that goes where few bigots have gone before (except maybe Pamela “Shrieking Harpy” Geller): Handle Muslims just like we handle the neo-Nazis.

Previously, Fischer has written that Muslims should be banned from the armed forces, and demanded a complete ban on building any mosques in the United States. He also said the reason Hitler was so evil was because he was gay.

And Fischer isn’t just some kook on the fringe. He’s one of the scheduled speakers at the conservative Value Voters summit this month alongside Mitt Romney, Michele Bachmann, Mike Huckabee and other top GOP politicians.

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34 comments

Kragar Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:46:52am

I’m confused. He obviously supports Nazi tactics, and would like to treat Muslims like they treated the Jews, so why did he attack Neo-Nazis? Sounds like they should be best buddies.

mikhailtheplumber Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:47:09am

OT: Jon Stewart has a great parody on anti-Muslim bigotry here.

jamesfirecat Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:47:21am

I got nothing… besides lunch break is over so back to work now…

avanti Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:47:22am

Let’s see if he is uninvited, or some GOP speakers come up with a scheduling problem after that bit of stupidity.

Kronocide Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:47:24am

WTF happened to this country in the last 18 months?

I think the anti-Muslim sentiments seemingly welling up en masse now are because the fringe kook Tea Partiers were not ostracized by the rest of the Tea Partiers. Now they’re really sowing their oats because it’s OK to let it all hang out.

teleskiguy Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:48:23am

Christian Supremacist Bullshit! These Christian Supremacists need to bug off!

Gus Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:49:49am

re: #5 BigPapa

WTF happened to this country in the last 18 months?

I think the anti-Muslim sentiments seemingly welling up en masse now are because the fringe kook Tea Partiers were not ostracized by the rest of the Tea Partiers. Now they’re really sowing their oats because it’s OK to let it all hang out.

By extension it is being motivated by the “Obama is a Muslim” conspiracy. Therefore these crazed wingnuts will think that while they attack Muslims they are also attacking Obama. The “Obama is a Muslim” meme also feeds into itself on two fronts which is to expand a hatred of Muslims and Obama.

Lidane Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:49:52am

*sigh*

I just…I can’t. I can’t process this level of idiocy and ignorance anymore. It’s like there’s a limit to the amount of stupid my brain can handle, and the AFA have exceeded it.

Also, if this is what passes for being a “values voter”, count me out. To quote Billy Joel, I’d rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints.

Lidane Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:50:29am

re: #5 BigPapa

WTF happened to this country in the last 18 months?

The black guy with the African name won the election.

elizajane Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:51:21am

“And Fischer isn’t just some kook on the fringe. He’s one of the scheduled speakers at the conservative Value Voters summit this month alongside Mitt Romney, Michele Bachmann, Mike Huckabee and other top GOP politicians.”

There is no difference between “kooks on the fringe” and “top GOP politicians” any more, so we should just stop pretending that there is.

wrenchwench Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:53:56am

Looking to Germany for an example of how to “handle” minority populations is as bad as looking to Saudi Arabia for guidance on which religious structures to allow.

TedStriker Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:54:40am

There’s nothing “family”-oriented about the American Family Association…they’re more like The Family (and I wouldn’t be surprised if the memberships overlap a bit).

*spit*

_RememberTonyC Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:55:24am

I think this may be a good time to wish all Judeo-Lizards a happy new year. Hopefully the upcoming months will be filled with good news, increased tolerance for “others,” and a spirit of brotherhood and healing.

allegro Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:55:34am

re: #3 jamesfirecat

I got nothing… besides lunch break is over so back to work now…

Did you frost the liver?

(That so cracked me up.)

karmic_inquisitor Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:55:54am

re: #11 wrenchwench

Looking to Germany for an example of how to “handle” minority populations is as bad as looking to Saudi Arabia for guidance on which religious structures to allow.

Have you seen what the French and Italians have been doing to the Roma recently? Racial exclusion is even popular with mainstream Europeans these days.

(I Stand By What I Said Whatever It Was) Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:56:54am

What’s so funny to me, as a German, is that when superimposing Germany’s political spectrum on the US, Fischer would be within the far-right fringe right with the neonazis himself.

By the way, neo-nazis usually do not get targeted for violence issues more so than any other movement but rather for actions hostile to the (german) constitution (“Verfassungsfeindlichkeit”). Same grounds that the original Communist Party of Germany got banned in the 1950s.

Gus Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:57:06am

Just in case you missed it here’s some more lunacy from Bryan Fischer:

LGF Pages - Military Burned Bibles, So Burning Qurans Is Only Fair

Logic fail.

Wozza Matter? Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:58:18am

can’t we just make up our minds about who the real nazis are already?…………

3eff Jeff Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:58:28am

The Republican Party Leadership is racist. In my mind, it has gotten to the point where any decent human being should be unwilling to put an ‘R’ next to their name. I’m sorry, Dark Falcon, I cannot and will not vote for anyone who would knowingly run as a Republican.

There is no outcry from party members, leadership or anything. People like this asshole are invited as keynote speakers to events alongside Romney and Huckabee. The AFA doesn’t try to hide who they are. Romney and Huckabee must know. Gingrich has gotten in on the game. Michael Steele is behind Rush’s positions. It’s too much.

If you put an R next to your name, you’ve lost my vote. This BS needs to be called out, and the purveyors of it need to be ostracized (good job, Charles!). At this point, putting an R next to your name on a ballot is doing quite the opposite.

wrenchwench Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:59:17am

re: #15 karmic_inquisitor

Have you seen what the French and Italians have been doing to the Roma recently? Racial exclusion is even popular with mainstream Europeans these days.

Assimilation was a threat from the Borg, but it’s a promise from America. It is our strength. I hope we lift it up as a cherished value. I thought it was already there, but I suppose I was naive.

Gus Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:59:20am

Hopefully things will settle down sine once we get past Saturday. 9/11 typically brings out the crazies for a period before that date.

Kronocide Thu, Sep 9, 2010 11:00:28am

re: #10 elizajane
There is no difference between “kooks on the fringe” and “top GOP politicians” any more, so we should just stop pretending that there is.

I’m not pretending that these are just a few kooks on the fringe. That ship sailed long ago.

My point is that the few bad apples spoiled the barrel but I think there was some still some latent issues with racism in key GOP members that has been released as well. There is a silver lining to all this in the very long run.

In the mean time the irony is that conservatives who lament for moderate Muslims to speak up are living the result of conservatives who did not speak up for conservatism. The other layer of irony is that the conservatives who bray the loudest with ‘why don’t the moderate Muslims speak up’ are also most likely to be the ones who are anti-Muslim bigots.

These are crazy times.

Michael McBacon Thu, Sep 9, 2010 11:00:36am

re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I’m confused. He obviously supports Nazi tactics, and would like to treat Muslims like they treated the Jews, so why did he attack Neo-Nazis? Sounds like they should be best buddies.

It’s just some good ol’-fashioned projection.

wrenchwench Thu, Sep 9, 2010 11:01:07am

re: #21 Gus 802

Hopefully things will settle down sine once we get past Saturday. 9/11 typically brings out the crazies for a period before that date.

Then there will be the election to look forward to.

jaunte Thu, Sep 9, 2010 11:01:38am

re: #20 wrenchwench

Assimilation was a threat from the Borg, but it’s a promise from America. It is our strength. I hope we lift it up as a cherished value. I thought it was already there, but I suppose I was naive.

I’m going to have some hummus on a tortilla and think about that.

Gus Thu, Sep 9, 2010 11:01:43am

re: #24 wrenchwench

Then there will be the election to look forward to.

Can’t wait!

karmic_inquisitor Thu, Sep 9, 2010 11:12:27am

re: #20 wrenchwench

Assimilation was a threat from the Borg, but it’s a promise from America. It is our strength. I hope we lift it up as a cherished value. I thought it was already there, but I suppose I was naive.

Well assimilation has never been a smooth process here. It is multi generational. And bigotry is culturally conditioned as is the basis for judging fairness. You fight bigotry by pointing it out and as people come around the culture changes. Americans are ultimately fair minded even if stubborn.

A line from a Rorty essay that has always stuck with me is (roughly) “to the extent that religions and cultures create rules to include they create rules to exclude all others”. Few realize that, yet that was precisely the peril that the GOP invited when it took on “cultural issues” as a way to differentiate itself. You can only end up in a cul-de-sac of bigotry if you insist that American culture should not be changed (something Barry Goldwater warned about in his last days in the Senate - after a long life of being an exclusionist).

The fundamental aim in America is to have an inclusive, merit based, lawful and free society where the majority rules and the minority is protected by rights. That ideal will continually elude us as we are made aware of our prejudices and come to adjust our cultural notions to be more inclusive and just. But that is a process fraught with pain and controversy.

Batman Thu, Sep 9, 2010 11:30:26am

I’m confused. Did he say treat muslims like muslims are neo-nazis, or treat muslims like neo-nazis would treat muslims? Cuz his proposition sounds an awful lot like the latter.

HappyWarrior Thu, Sep 9, 2010 12:16:10pm

What does this asshole know about values? Seriously I long for the day in this country where the AFA has no political clout.

Fozzie Bear Thu, Sep 9, 2010 12:16:58pm

re: #5 BigPapa

WTF happened to this country in the last 18 months?

I think the anti-Muslim sentiments seemingly welling up en masse now are because the fringe kook Tea Partiers were not ostracized by the rest of the Tea Partiers. Now they’re really sowing their oats because it’s OK to let it all hang out.

It didn’t happen in the last 18 months. This has been here all along. It just suddenly started getting coverage, because, well, certain media outlets have been giving the nutbags a bullhorn.

Kronocide Thu, Sep 9, 2010 12:25:35pm

re: #30 Fozzie Bear

A minor quibble but it really seems to have foamed up in the last 18 months, the anti-Muslim crap. The underlying causes have been there all along, they’ve just been ignited by the increase in media outlets giving more bullhorn time to nutbags.

I hope if flames out soon, hopefully this generation.

karmic_inquisitor Thu, Sep 9, 2010 12:34:10pm

“Treat Muslims Like Neo-Nazis”

Do they mean “take them bowling?”

Youtube Video

(Been a while since I’ve heard Camper Van Beetoven)

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 9, 2010 12:54:43pm

re: #19 3eff Jeff

The Republican Party Leadership is racist. In my mind, it has gotten to the point where any decent human being should be unwilling to put an ‘R’ next to their name. I’m sorry, Dark Falcon, I cannot and will not vote for anyone who would knowingly run as a Republican.

There is no outcry from party members, leadership or anything. People like this asshole are invited as keynote speakers to events alongside Romney and Huckabee. The AFA doesn’t try to hide who they are. Romney and Huckabee must know. Gingrich has gotten in on the game. Michael Steele is behind Rush’s positions. It’s too much.

If you put an R next to your name, you’ve lost my vote. This BS needs to be called out, and the purveyors of it need to be ostracized (good job, Charles!). At this point, putting an R next to your name on a ballot is doing quite the opposite.

Yep, pretty much

watching you tiny alien kittens are Thu, Sep 9, 2010 2:16:15pm

Some people were born insane, some people became that way over time as they age, and some just pretend to be to make money…which is the case here?

/You be the judge.

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