Thread jacking again, and bringing up this particular subject again...

Is it okay with you people if I create an LGF page at Tvtropes.com?

Wonderful news. It's about damn time.

The fact that the suit was brought by the Log Cabin Republicans? Even better.

re: #1 jamesfirecat

I would approve of this endeavor, and am a contributor at it too. Just not very much.

This is some rare good news and a great advert for the separation of powers.

DOMA next please.

Fuck yes!

In your faces, dipshit military brass durp de durp constitution doesn't apply to gay people fire our arabic translators because they don't use their junk in a Pentagon-approved manner

re: #5 JasonA

DOMA next please.

hell yeah

Certainly the administration is now in an awkward place - fighting against this ruling (as expected of the executive branch) but at the same time liking the outcome of the rulin.

They should just skip directly to the supreme now, get it over with this weekend :P

Of course the Bush/reagan facist fucktards on the bench will probably ruin everything again.

(I kid, I kid! Comic Hyperbole!)

re: #2 Lidane

Wonderful news. It's about damn time.

The fact that the suit was brought by the Log Cabin Republicans? Even better.

yeah! Good for them, especially since the GOP seems to be treating them like they're NAMBLA these days, it's a nice kick to the shins of the socons and paranoids and AFA/FotF wackos who are all over the party

re: #6 WindUpBird

Fuck yes!

In your faces, dipshit military brass durp de durp constitution doesn't apply to gay people fire our arabic translators because they don't use their junk in a Pentagon-approved manner

/your draft notice is in the mail...

I hope Twack Pawin can handle this.

re: #11 brookly red

Man I wish, go go draft!

re: #6 WindUpBird

Fuck yes!

In your faces, dipshit military brass durp de durp constitution doesn't apply to gay people fire our arabic translators because they don't use their junk in a Pentagon-approved manner

I think I catch your drift but could you please use complete sentences next time.

re: #5 JasonA

DOMA next please.

Yeah, this. The sooner the better.

re: #11 brookly red

/your draft notice is in the mail...

yeah and then they'll look at my physique and stick me behind a stack of routers and cat 5 cable troubleshooting mac addresses and IP conflicts

re: #14 Jetpilot1101

I think I catch your drift but could you please use complete sentences next time.

I make my own rules on this internet

re: #14 Jetpilot1101

Lol grammarfascists >

Really I have no problem with this. No doubt many gays are already serving so what the f, it is an all volunteer force so its all good.

Government lawyers argued Phillips lacked the authority to issue a nationwide injunction and the issue should be decided by Congress.

Translation: We want to sit on this until at least after the mid-terms, if only to prevent the GOP from running on it.

re: #18 windsagio

Lol grammarfascists >

I like proper grammar but this is expression on the internet, and threads move too fast for me to go all Strunk & White on this

re: #19 brookly red

Really I have no problem with this. No doubt many gays are already serving so what the f, it is an all volunteer force so its all good.

Well that's good :p

Seriously, nobody I know actually has a problem with this. It's just a mark of how backward that particular culture is about some things, especially in the upper eschelons.

re: #13 windsagio

Man I wish, go go draft!

I am told the food is quite good...

Major fire in San Bruno south of San Francisco right now...not sure if it's a plane crash or not (it's on the hill overlooking SFO airport). Several houses are burning though.

Military brass is probably already on it's way to policy changes and saw this coming so there may be some feedback pretty quick.

Although in this news cycle there's so much else going on this may not get too much press.

re: #23 brookly red

I am told the food is quite good...

It's not bad. If you really want some good chow, swing by an Air Force base. Not only do they have the hottest servicemembers, but they have some damn good food.

re: #20 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

Translation: We want to sit on this until at least after the mid-terms, if only to prevent the GOP from running on it.

yeah, pretty much

I'm looking long term, if the GOP picks up some seats by going lowest common denominator and running against the constitution, they can have them, , it'll just make it that much easier to show the GOP for what they are

Being on the right side of history is always win

Of topic topic, but there seem to have been a fire or massive blast near San Francisco International Airport in San Bruno. Does SanFranciscoZionist know what is going on.

Part of the Union on campus suffered some sort of electrical fire. Not sure how bad it was.

re: #28 ProLifeLiberal

Off topic, but there seem to have been a fire or massive blast near San Francisco International Airport in San Bruno. Does SanFranciscoZionist know what is going on?

Part of the Union on campus at OU suffered some sort of electrical fire. Not sure how bad it was.

re: #22 windsagio

Well that's good :p

Seriously, nobody I know actually has a problem with this. It's just a mark of how backward that particular culture is about some things, especially in the upper eschelons.

it seems we agree... but I add the disclaimer that I myself have never served & don't claim to speak for those that did.

OT -

thanks to Stanley Sea for my 5000th kharma point...

(as promised a pineapple pizza party all round, and with the DADT twice as much to celebrate)

re: #25 BigPapa

Military brass is probably already on it's way to policy changes and saw this coming so there may be some feedback pretty quick.

Although in this news cycle there's so much else going on this may not get too much press.

hah yeah, the anti-gay sentiment will be competing with the much shinier anti-muslim sentiment

re: #18 windsagio

Lol grammarfascists >

LOL proud illiterates.

re: #24 darthstar

Major fire in San Bruno south of San Francisco right now...not sure if it's a plane crash or not (it's on the hill overlooking SFO airport). Several houses are burning though.

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re: #24 darthstar

Major fire in San Bruno south of San Francisco right now...not sure if it's a plane crash or not (it's on the hill overlooking SFO airport). Several houses are burning though.

FAA reporting that no plane crash reported. It appears to be a natural gas explosion...more details to come when I have them.

re: #32 WindUpBird

hah yeah, the anti-gay sentiment will be competing with the much shinier anti-muslim sentiment

Which is nothing of coarse compared to the muslim anti-gay sentiment.

re: #33 Cato the Elder

LOL proud illiterates.

Insert algebra joke (here)

(smirk)

re: #12 Cato the Elder

I hope Twack Pawin can handle this.

Don't mock the man. He can't help that his mother is a dangerous twit.

re: #16 WindUpBird

yeah and then they'll look at my physique and stick me behind a stack of routers and cat 5 cable troubleshooting mac addresses and IP conflicts

no you would be able to fit quite nicely in to an air-shaft to a bunker some where in Afghanistan fo sure...

re: #36 compound idaho

Which is nothing of coarse compared to the muslim anti-gay sentiment.

yeah yeah I know, islams worse... we get it.

re: #3 ProLifeLiberal

I would approve of this endeavor, and am a contributor at it too. Just not very much.

Cool, I'll probably have a first draft up in an hour or two...

re: #33 Cato the Elder

LOL proud illiterates.

The internet is not strunk & white, threads move too fast

I don't speak in absolute perfect complete grammar, I don't understand why in am immediate call-and-response medium like a fast moving blog thread I should be busting out the elements of style and hunkering over my rolltop desk with a calligraphy quill

I think I can predict what will happen next. DOMA will be challenged in Federal Court under the Full-Faith and Credit Clause, which even Robert Bork has admitted will be an impossible argument to defeat.

DOMA will be overturned and the result will be a renewed push for the Federal Marriage Amendment; the constitutional amendment that defines marriage as a union between one man and one woman.

The FMA could be a big issue in the 2012 Republican primaries if this trend continues (if it does, the independents will drive in droves towards Obama).

re: #35 darthstar

FAA reporting that no plane crash reported. It appears to be a natural gas explosion...more details to come when I have them.

That is no plane crash. Smoke would be much blacker if it was due to jet fuel. FAA would also have known pretty quick. An airplane going down causing that kind of fire would have been radar contact and the FAA would have know instantly.

re: #42 WindUpBird

Well attacking style is a good way to go when you can't actually hit the content. Its in the preface to your handbook :P

re: #36 compound idaho

Which is nothing of coarse compared to the muslim anti-gay sentiment.

Pamela Geller is thataway, chump

re: #43 Max D. Reinhardt

FMA is a suicide trip for the GOP, I hope they see that.

re: #27 WindUpBird

yeah, pretty much

I'm looking long term, if the GOP picks up some seats by going lowest common denominator and running against the constitution, they can have them, , it'll just make it that much easier to show the GOP for what they are

Being on the right side of history is always win

I really can't see how this in any way helps the GOP. There is no angle they can attack this that doesn't come down to "Gays in the military are bad, m'kay."

re: #44 Jetpilot1101

That is no plane crash. Smoke would be much blacker if it was due to jet fuel. FAA would also have known pretty quick. An airplane going down causing that kind of fire would have been radar contact and the FAA would have know instantly.

There's still a lot of heavy industry in that area. I'd suspect either a chemical plant fire or an electrical substation going up.

re: #36 compound idaho

Which is nothing of coarse compared to the muslim anti-gay sentiment.

It's "of course", not "of coarse"...you, however, are coarse, of course.

re: #40 windsagio

yeah yeah I know, islams worse... we get it.

You know what kind of compounds are in idaho

you know, they wear a lot of camo, red armbands, stroking their buzzcuts and their confedarate flags :D

re: #48 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

I really can't see how this in any way helps the GOP. There is no angle they can attack this that doesn't come down to "Gays in the military are bad, m'kay."

No, they'll just say gays in the military are bad, and energize their bigot base

There are a LOT of people who subscribe to the AFA FotF line on this, don't underestimate their energy, they're very motivated with their hatred

re: #50 darthstar

It's "of course", not "of coarse"...you, however, are coarse, of course.

a horse a horse

re: #44 Jetpilot1101

That is no plane crash. Smoke would be much blacker if it was due to jet fuel. FAA would also have known pretty quick. An airplane going down causing that kind of fire would have been radar contact and the FAA would have know instantly.

Yeah, this thing has a source. Looks like a gas pipeline.

re: #49 Obdicut

I'm watching a live newscast from the website of the San Francisco ABC affiliate. The fire seems to be almost erupting from the ground. I'm thinking a natural gas line has gone up.

re: #42 WindUpBird

The internet is not strunk & white, threads move too fast

I don't speak in absolute perfect complete grammar, I don't understand why in am immediate call-and-response medium like a fast moving blog thread I should be busting out the elements of style and hunkering over my rolltop desk with a calligraphy quill

I bet you would look sexy in a calligraphy quill :)

re: #52 WindUpBird

No, they'll just say gays in the military are bad, and energize their bigot base

There are a LOT of people who subscribe to the AFA FotF line on this, don't underestimate their energy, they're very motivated with their hatred

True. But they eventually have to face the reality that their base is aging and/or dying off. Considering the upcoming baby-boomer mass-retirement, the recent GOP rumblings about dismantling everything from Social Security to Medicare is gonna go over like a fart in church.

re: #54 Gus 802

Yeah, this thing has a source. Looks like a gas pipeline.

Well, fuck.

Hope there's no loss of life.

re: #58 Obdicut

Well, fuck.

Hope there's no loss of life.

It's huge. Live video here.

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re: #56 Walter L. Newton

I bet you would look sexy in a calligraphy quill :)

I have several, actually, I used to do a ton of logo design and lettering gigs for local businesses, weddings, non-profits, etc

They're really hard to use well, it got easier to just build the logos and fake it in Freehand or Illustrator. Which is nowhere near as cool but has the advantage of making it so I don't have to redo the job from scratch when the client inevitably changes their mind

re: #57 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds

True. But they eventually have to face the reality that their base is aging and/or dying off. Considering the upcoming baby-boomer mass-retirement, the recent GOP rumblings about dismantling everything from Social Security to Medicare is gonna go over like a fart in church.

yeah, i do NOT get why they're going after SS and Medicaid

re: #59 Gus 802

Ah shit. That's a residential part of San Bruno.

Fuck. I've got some people to call.

re: #62 Obdicut

Ah shit. That's a residential part of San Bruno.

Fuck. I've got some people to call.

aw man :(

I don't pray really, but I hope they're okay

re: #46 WindUpBird

Pamela Geller is thataway, chump

Wow! May have touched a nerve there. I just though it was a little ironic.

re: #62 Obdicut

Ah shit. That's a residential part of San Bruno.

Fuck. I've got some people to call.

Quick prayer. Please let us know if they are OK.

re: #63 WindUpBird

They're testers, so I hope they weren't home from work yet. They generally booze it up the nights they're not working.

If it is a gas line, can't they shut the damn gas feed off?

re: #62 Obdicut

Ah shit. That's a residential part of San Bruno.

Fuck. I've got some people to call.

Hope they are well.

BIAB

re: #64 compound idaho

Wow! May have touched a nerve there. I just though it was a little ironic.

Your notions are the exact same notions that a lot of class-of-2004 sleepers show up here and say, you're not original, you're just another repetitive anti-muslim partisan

The nerve you touched is the "geez, not another one of these guys" nerve

re: #62 Obdicut

Ah shit. That's a residential part of San Bruno.

Fuck. I've got some people to call.

San Bruno near Skyline Blvd. 12 homes gone at least. Crestmoor to Skyline apparently safe.

re: #66 Obdicut

They're testers, so I hope they weren't home from work yet. They generally booze it up the nights they're not working.

If it is a gas line, can't they shut the damn gas feed off?

Game testers? Sounds like my friends when they worked at EA, 14 hour days, get loaded when they finally get a break

re: #70 WindUpBird

Game testers? Sounds like my friends when they worked at EA, 14 hour days, get loaded when they finally get a break

Yeah, they're guys I know from EA.

Rock on Riverside!

My friends are safe.

But one of them probably just lost his family.

I'm out.

That fire is freaking enormous, yagh

re: #71 Obdicut

Yeah, they're guys I know from EA.

They work for EA? Please convey to them my condolences.

re: #59 Gus 802

Good grief.

Prayers and comfort for the victims.

re: #36 compound idaho

Which is nothing of coarse compared to the muslim anti-gay sentiment.

Really? In the US military?

re: #78 palomino

Really? In the US military?

heh!

Okay. My friend's family is alive, but apparently injured. But alive.

I was in the military for twenty years and I never saw very much anti-gay sentiment. If anyone actually was a homophobe we would very likely pretend to be queer just to rattle him. There was occasionally some talk about who might actually be queer, but nobody really cared. The old-timer who used to run my reserve club was always getting angry at the gays, and would not shut up about it when Heath Ledger died. We all just assumed he was in denial, but nobody thought any worse of him for that.

Seriously, the anti-gay stuff is all coming from elsewhere. The rank and file military has a hard time caring.

I'm all for the repeal, but for some reason there's this notion rattling around the back of my head that people in the military have somewhat curtailed Constitutional rights. Now that I say it out loud, it sounds preposterous. But what about, say, the First Amendment? There are a lot of things that civilians can say and do that would land a soldier in military prison.

I'm just wondering if the "unconstitutional" argument is sound.

re: #36 compound idaho

Which is nothing of coarse compared to the muslim anti-gay sentiment.

actually the anti-gay sentiment is worse in the U.S. military (insofar as rights go for American gays) - it led to the DADT policy in the first place. who cares if a religious group tends to hate on gay folk - so long as their religious beliefs aren't made into law, in the end, it's irrelevant.

re: #2 Lidane

Wonderful news. It's about damn time.

The fact that the suit was brought by the Log Cabin Republicans? Even better.

Americans are Americans. If one wants to join and write a blank check on their life in defense of this Country, sexual orientation should not be a consideration. Joining up is an Honorable endeavor that should be praised.

Thank you all, Vets and enlisted. You all rock!

re: #82 Kreniigh

According to the constitution the congress and the president have the sole authority in determining the rules for the military. The judge overstepped his bounds even though I agree with the sentiment. Secondly, where does this judge get the expertise to decide that DADT "doesn’t help military readiness and instead has a “direct and deleterious effect” on the armed services". I believe DADT needs to be tossed aside but it needs to be done correctly, with the president and the congress doing their jobs. This judge needs to be told keep her nose out of other peoples business.

re: #85 RogueOne

According to constitutional law the, Supreme Court gets to decide whether any laws passed violate the constitution.

One word:

GOOD!