Young Earth Creationism at the Examiner

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Wingnuts • Thu Sep 9, 2010 at 7:32 pm PDT • Views: 561

This bizarre anti-scientific screed by a young earth creationist is a great example of why I no longer link to articles at the Examiner: The Grand Canyon is the best natural ’Flood museum’ in the world - National creationism.

All you need to read to know that you’re about to be drenched in a flood of ignorance:

A prominent Christian magazine features the Grand Canyon on its cover, and its editor-in-chief examines directly the historical reliability of the Bible and specifically of Genesis. This provides a good occasion to review the features of the Grand Canyon that provide direct evidence of the Global Flood.

Followed by a great deluge of endlessly recycled creationist nonsense, because the rubes always go for it.

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1 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:33:53pm

fuckIgottagogetpizza

2 freetoken  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:34:06pm

"The Examiner" corporation keeps advertising in the local help wanted section of the (dwindling) San Diego Union Tribune, for "writers". The pay is lousy, so they advertise that you get on the internet with all the attending fame.

Now we see where such adverts lead.

3 freetoken  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:34:55pm

The Examiner is looking for writers who will, I believe the phrase is - "push the peanut".

4 Kronocide  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:35:30pm

And to top this great day of news off, a creationist thread.

Thank you Charles!

5 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:35:59pm

I have a whole in my back yard. God did it. Screw all of you.
///

6 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:36:18pm

Mr. Hurlbut is very silly.

7 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:36:37pm

re: #5 Cannadian Club Akbar

I have a whole in my back yard. God did it. Screw all of you.
///

hole- my gosh I teh stoopid.

8 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:36:45pm

re: #3 freetoken

The Examiner is looking for writers who will, I believe the phrase is - "push the peanut".

What does that mean?

10 jamesfirecat  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:37:39pm

Okay everybody its up!

[Link: tvtropes.org...]

Feel free to edit my edits as you see fit!

11 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:37:58pm

re: #6 Killgore Trout

Mr. Hurlbut is very silly.

He's funny.

12 Charles Johnson  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:38:42pm

Terry Hurlbut is apparently the editor in charge of Conservapedia's rewrite of the Bible.

13 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:39:25pm

re: #10 jamesfirecat

Okay everybody its up!

[Link: tvtropes.org...]

Feel free to edit my edits as you see fit!

I am gonna get drunk and smack you down!!
//

14 jaunte  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:39:45pm
Rock layers that are bent without fracturing, which can happen only when they are wet and not yet hard.


Heh.

15 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:40:56pm

re: #12 Charles

Terry Hurlbut is apparently the editor in charge of Conservapedia's rewrite of the Bible.

Editorial EPIC FAIL

16 freetoken  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:41:41pm

re: #8 Dark_Falcon

If I understand it correctly, which I might not, the phrase refers to getting publicity (in this case, hits on a website are what counts) for an idea/talking-point/meme by simply producing insubstantial work in volume, that then gets stumbled upon.

By producing enough trivial work and putting it on the internet, odds are that someone's search (via a search engine) will come across it. The searcher is oblivious to the low quality of the content, but that doesn't matter, because all that matters are the web hits.

The "peanut" refers to the idea of little substance.

17 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:41:44pm

re: #12 Charles

Terry Hurlbut is apparently the editor in charge of Conservapedia's rewrite of the Bible.

Lol@Hurlbut

18 jamesfirecat  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:42:24pm

re: #12 Charles

Terry Hurlbut is apparently the editor in charge of Conservapedia's rewrite of the Bible.

Is he the one who made Stephen Colbert god?

19 3eff Jeff  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:43:08pm

Eastern Washington is the best natural flood museum in the entire world.

See: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

20 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:43:10pm

re: #5 Cannadian Club Akbar
A whole what?
//JK. Hi, honco.

21 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:43:28pm

re: #16 freetoken

If I understand it correctly, which I might not, the phrase refers to getting publicity (in this case, hits on a website are what counts) for an idea/talking-point/meme by simply producing insubstantial work in volume, that then gets stumbled upon.

By producing enough trivial work and putting it on the internet, odds are that someone's search (via a search engine) will come across it. The searcher is oblivious to the low quality of the content, but that doesn't matter, because all that matters are the web hits.

The "peanut" refers to the idea of little substance.

Thank you for the clarification.

22 Nick Schroeder  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:43:52pm

Silly Charles. Didn't you know the whole Bible actually all happened in America, and Jesus was a Dolf Lundgren-esque action hero who rode dinosaurs?

23 jamesfirecat  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:44:31pm

re: #22 Nick Schroeder

Silly Charles. Didn't you know the whole Bible actually all happened in America, and Jesus was a Dolf Lundgren-esque action hero who rode dinosaurs?

I think you mean a Jesus was a John Galt-esque hero who preached about how people needed to lift themselves up by their own bootstraps.

24 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:44:57pm

re: #20 tradewind

A whole what?
//JK. Hi, honco.

A hole hole.
//Honco

25 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:45:40pm

re: #15 Dark_Falcon
As if wikipedia doesn't get occasionally screwy enough, now we have Conservapedia?
As a conservative, I hate that.

26 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:46:07pm

If you've somehow never seen the Mr. Deity series of videos, there's something wrong with you, and I bet you hate puppies.

27 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:46:24pm

There are Precambrian rocks on the surface in Ireland that are at least 600 million years old.

Meaning, since they were formed; and the stuff in them is older than that.

Connemara Marble

28 Kilroy01  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:46:52pm

Math of the Flood
or how to make a creationist's head explode.

29 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:47:09pm

re: #22 Nick Schroeder

Silly Charles. Didn't you know the whole Bible actually all happened in America, and Jesus was a Dolf Lundgren-esque action hero who rode dinosaurs?

Pimp my Brontosaurus?
(HT- Lazarus )

30 3eff Jeff  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:47:53pm

Off-topic: Ojoe, I switched my party affiliation to Whig (I'm in California). So, we'll be one closer to being official out here when Sacramento gets my form.

31 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:48:03pm

re: #25 tradewind

As if wikipedia doesn't get occasionally screwy enough, now we have Conservapedia?
As a conservative, I hate that.

Quite Concur. Conservapedia is a worthless piece of filth.

32 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:48:45pm

re: #13 Cannadian Club Akbar
Wait, not until he puts up his ' Gamers' Compleate Guide to Rendering a Thread Unintelligible './/

33 jamesfirecat  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:48:47pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. Conservapedia is a worthless piece of filth.

BLACK HOLES DON'T EXIST!

34 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:49:35pm

re: #25 tradewind

As if wikipedia doesn't get occasionally screwy enough, now we have Conservapedia?
As a conservative, I hate that.

We can get married in March. When it is cool here.
///

35 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:49:45pm

re: #33 jamesfirecat
* Racist *

36 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:49:53pm

re: #33 jamesfirecat

BLACK HOLES DON'T EXIST!

no? so where is my social security account?

37 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:51:35pm

re: #30 3eff Jeff

Cool, maybe the Whigs will "take".

Welcome to Whigdom.

There's a California Whig facebook page too:

Ca. Whig Facebook Page

38 jaunte  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:51:40pm

San Bruno fire is reportedly from a 24" gas main:
[Link: abclocal.go.com...]

39 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:51:45pm

re: #36 brookly red

no? so where is my social security account?

All your Social Security is mine.
-Nancy Pelosi

40 ProGunLiberal  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:53:03pm

re: #38 jaunte

This isn't going to be easy to stop.

41 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:53:17pm

re: #39 Cannadian Club Akbar

All your Social Security is mine.
-Nancy Pelosi

and that alone may and probably should cause the next revolution...

42 Wozza Matter?  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:54:05pm

g'night peeps.

43 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:54:07pm

Sooo, the Grand Canyon is a result of the great flood of yore.

Why did it miss Cleveland? Or San Diego?

fools.

44 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:54:16pm

BBL, time to do the dishes.

45 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:54:37pm

re: #27 Ojoe
I had a Connemara pony when I was ten, and kept her at my grandparents' farm...
The vet screwed up her shots, she got tetanus a year later and died. My parents were literally scared to tell me for two weeks, and then my Mom told me in carpool on the way to school so I wouldn't completely freak out at home.
Not their most shining parenting moment.

46 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:54:51pm

re: #25 tradewind

As if wikipedia doesn't get occasionally screwy enough, now we have Conservapedia?
As a conservative, I hate that.

If you missed out on Conservapedia, you simply must check it out for the laughs alone. You'll learn (among other things) that the Bible is full of liberal propaganda - they're rewriting it to reflect its "original" conservative values.

You will also learn that Einstein had nothing to do with the development of nuclear weapons, and that he was only a minor contributor to Relativity theory, which is itself a liberal conspiracy attempting to impart scientific legitimacy to moral relativism.

In addition, abortion directly causes breast cancer.

The whole thing is profoundly stupid and blatantly self-contradictory. It's like the Church of the Subgenius (of which I am a devout member, when I get around to it), except without the humor, irony, self-awareness, and firm grasp on "reality".

47 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:54:55pm

re: #41 brookly red

and that alone may and probably should cause the next revolution...

I do own a wrist rocket and steel balls. I ain't fucking around.
/

48 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:55:01pm

re: #37 Ojoe

Just give up already.

49 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:56:29pm

re: #41 brookly red

and that alone may and probably should cause the next revolution...

Bad idea. Revolutions kill.

50 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:56:38pm

re: #47 Cannadian Club Akbar

I do own a wrist rocket and steel balls. I ain't fucking around.
/

forget the wrist rocket, the balls of steel will win the day!

51 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:57:14pm

re: #46 negativ

If you missed out on Conservapedia, you simply must check it out for the laughs alone. You'll learn (among other things) that the Bible is full of liberal propaganda - they're rewriting it to reflect its "original" conservative values.

You will also learn that Einstein had nothing to do with the development of nuclear weapons, and that he was only a minor contributor to Relativity theory, which is itself a liberal conspiracy attempting to impart scientific legitimacy to moral relativism.

In addition, abortion directly causes breast cancer.

The whole thing is profoundly stupid and blatantly self-contradictory. It's like the Church of the Subgenius (of which I am a devout member, when I get around to it), except without the humor, irony, self-awareness, and firm grasp on "reality".

I find the part about rewriting the bible the funniest since many of them are self proclaimed fundamentalists. So, the in its literal form isn't good enough for you so you rewrite it to suit your beliefs. Seriously if a left wing version of conservpedia ever started up, I'd ridicule the hell out of that too.

52 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:57:15pm

re: #46 negativ
Fine, but all I really need to know is if they thoroughly expose the evil unleashed by Christopher Columbus.//

53 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:57:38pm

re: #31 Dark_Falcon

Quite Concur. Conservapedia is a worthless piece of filth.

It's all blinkered dogmatic nonsense. There's nothing conservative about that site.

54 freetoken  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:59:03pm

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55 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 7:59:13pm

re: #38 jaunte
Hang on, San Francisco. Obama's coming to fix your infrastructure.

56 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:00:02pm

re: #37 Ojoe
Wait, that's not an inside joke?

57 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:00:15pm

re: #53 Slumbering Behemoth

It's all blinkered dogmatic nonsense. There's nothing conservative about that site.

Again Concur.

58 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:00:17pm

re: #53 Slumbering Behemoth

It's all blinkered dogmatic nonsense. There's nothing conservative about that site.

dogmatic? that means as long as I squeeze the trigger it will release dobermans till the kennel is empty, right?

59 jaunte  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:00:41pm

re: #55 tradewind

You might give the partisanship a break for just a second while real people are involved in a disaster.

60 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:00:49pm

re: #55 tradewind

Hang on, San Francisco. Obama's coming to fix your infrastructure.

wow, that's classy, and right after a poster here left because he's fearing for the lives of his friends

61 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:00:57pm

re: #52 tradewind

Fine, but all I really need to know is if they thoroughly expose the evil unleashed by Christopher Columbus.//

OMG. Are you kidding me? Some one didn't get a joke?

62 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:01:02pm

re: #59 jaunte

You might give the partisanship a break for just a second while real people are involved in a disaster.

seriously, what a scumfuck thing to say

63 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:02:27pm

re: #58 brookly red

dogmatic? that means as long as I squeeze the trigger it will release dobermans till the kennel is empty, right?

No. It means that if you offer an opinion or present a fact that is contrary to their backwards, dark-ages thinking, they automatically start foaming at the mouth and barking like rabid dogs.

64 3eff Jeff  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:02:55pm

re: #48 Cato the Elder

Why? He got one.

65 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:03:25pm

re: #59 jaunte

You might give the partisanship a break for just a second while real people are involved in a disaster.

no Haiti is a disaster... bad management is bad management. big difference.

66 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:03:42pm

re: #38 jaunte

San Bruno fire is reportedly from a 24" gas main:
[Link: abclocal.go.com...]

I'm not getting the vid to work. What's the skinny? What's the specific location?

67 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:03:53pm

re: #55 tradewind

Hang on, San Francisco. Obama's coming to fix your infrastructure.

I really wish you would go Mandy yourself.

68 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:04:00pm

re: #65 brookly red

no Haiti is a disaster... bad management is bad management. big difference.


What?

69 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:04:56pm

re: #16 freetoken

The peanut refers to idea of little substance


Booker T. Washington is spinning in his grave.

70 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:04:59pm

re: #53 Slumbering Behemoth

It's all blinkered dogmatic nonsense. There's nothing conservative about that site.

it's very socon, but I consider socon to be its own animal

71 theheat  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:05:02pm

re: #22 Nick Schroeder

Yeah, I think Jesus would have dug Grace Jones too. And fought Rocky.
//

72 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:05:04pm

re: #63 Slumbering Behemoth

No. It means that if you offer an opinion or present a fact that is contrary to their backwards, dark-ages thinking, they automatically start foaming at the mouth and barking like rabid dogs.

I see check spelling, preview & post... where is the DM button.

73 Cannadian Club Akbar  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:06:16pm

Trade.. Emal me.. gotta go for now...

74 jaunte  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:06:38pm

re: #66 Slumbering Behemoth

They're talking about the Crestmoor 2 neighborhood, San Bruno.

75 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:06:49pm

re: #65 brookly red

no Haiti is a disaster... bad management is bad management. big difference.

It's still a disaster for someone who loses their house though. Just saying.

76 palomino  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:07:02pm

re: #55 tradewind

Hang on, San Francisco. Obama's coming to fix your infrastructure.

I'm sure your hero Boehner will fix everything. He's all about infrastructure, right?

77 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:07:12pm

re: #70 WindUpBird

it's very socon, but I consider socon to be its own animal

I dig it. Can I say that I find nothing "social" nor "conservative" about the socon's agenda.

Meh, "Liberal" and "Conservative", as definitive words, just don't seem to mean shit anymore.

78 Kilroy01  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:07:18pm

Here is great debunking of the flood and the forming of the grand canyon.

Why do people laugh at creationists?

79 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:07:27pm

Classy, Dark falcon

You know Ob had to sign off because he knows people involved in that fire, right?

Upding more jokes, let's make more fun of people in a tragedy

80 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:07:52pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

It's still a disaster for someone who loses their house though. Just saying.

So why are you updinging jokes about it

I'm just curious how far the wingnut hole goes

81 palomino  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:08:21pm

re: #12 Charles

Terry Hurlbut is apparently the editor in charge of Conservapedia's rewrite of the Bible.

He even looks like Andy Schlafly. I guess it's the "YEC look." Sure to catch on.

82 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:08:31pm

re: #77 Slumbering Behemoth

I dig it. Can I say that I find nothing "social" nor "conservative" about the socon's agenda.

Meh, "Liberal" and "Conservative", as definitive words, just don't seem to mean shit anymore.

It's reactionary, but so-rea just sounds like a thing you add to toilet water

83 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:09:15pm

re: #76 palomino

I'm sure your hero Boehner will fix everything. He's all about infrastructure, right?

well you know, anything to slam San Francisco

I mean, they're unamerican, they're apparently all evil and anti military, they don't count

84 tradewind  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:09:30pm

re: #59 jaunte
My innocuous comment is certainly not going to impede the rescue efforts, and I hope no one is hurt.
You, on the other hand, might remove the stick from your backside.
Or not.

85 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:09:43pm

How anyone could be a young earth creationist is amazing to me? As for the fire in California. Sounds like awful awful stuff. My cousin who lives in Boulder, Colorado posted some photos of a fire they had there not too long ago. I've never experienced anything like this on the east coast. Must be real scary for those involved.

86 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:09:50pm

re: #75 Dark_Falcon

It's still a disaster for someone who loses their house though. Just saying.

OK did I miss something? was there a disaster in SF? If so I am sorry, it's has not hit the news yet... or are we just talking about infrastructure?

87 Reginald Perrin  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:10:37pm

re: #84 tradewind

My innocuous comment is certainly not going to impede the rescue efforts, and I hope no one is hurt.
You, on the other hand, might remove the stick from your backside.
Or not.

Why are you so bitter?

88 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:11:37pm

re: #86 brookly red

OK did I miss something? was there a disaster in SF? If so I am sorry, it's has not hit the news yet... or are we just talking about infrastructure?

So basically you're just randomly responding to threads completely out of context

Or you're lying because you got called out

either way, pretty poor internet from you

89 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:12:20pm

re: #52 tradewind

Fine, but all I really need to know is if they thoroughly expose the evil unleashed by Christopher Columbus.//

Funnily enough, the Conservapedia brings modern politics into its Columbus article, while Wikipedia (that bastion of evil that Conservapedia is supposed to counter) doesn't.

Ooga Booga

By the quincentenary celebration of his discovery in 1992, Columbus stood accused of genocide and ecocide. Columbus Day became controversial in the 1970s, as a matter of white guilt regarding the mistreatment of native Americans. The main accuser was Colorado professor Ward Churchill (who was fired in 2007 for academic misconduct and falsifying history); he compared Columbus to Nazi Holocaust sponsor Heinrich Himmler, pointing to the genocidal outcome of Columbus's brutal practices in the Caribbean.

Columbus did return to Spain with a number of Indian slaves, and that slave labor was used in his quest for gold. Native populations died out primarily because of exposure to new Old World diseases.[4]

Leftist protesters of the 1992 quincentennial celebrations of frequently used the term "genocide" to describe European treatment of the Indians, but they never defined genocide or provided sound evidence that Europeans practiced genocide. Historians should recognize the legitimate emotional source of these complaints, but counsel against the use of moral blackmail by groups who have something to gain from characterizing European treatment of Indians as genocidal. Historians should work to destroy "maleficent myths" about the past and expose complex origins of "current fortunes and misfortunes" without holding the descendants of those who wronged other peoples accountable for the deeds of their ancestors.[5]

There are about 500 things in that quote that most scholars would agree is (to employ the academic jargon) "fucked up". I'm sure most reading this won't have much trouble picking out three or four.

90 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:12:51pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

How anyone could be a young earth creationist is amazing to me? As for the fire in California. Sounds like awful awful stuff. My cousin who lives in Boulder, Colorado posted some photos of a fire they had there not too long ago. I've never experienced anything like this on the east coast. Must be real scary for those involved.


A fire they had there not too long ago... FYI... it's still burning... 169 houses gone... and only 40 percent contained... 6,365 acres charred since the fire began Monday

[Link: www.denverpost.com...]

91 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:13:17pm

re: #80 WindUpBird

So why are you updinging jokes about it

I'm just curious how far the wingnut hole goes

I reversed the ding before I posted that.

92 yellowdog  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:13:31pm

The author's name is "Hurlbut?" Joke overload.
So, the Flintstones actually happened? I want one of those pig garbage disposals.

93 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:14:23pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

I reversed the ding before I posted that.

Whatever

Partisanship is a disease dude

94 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:14:26pm

re: #88 WindUpBird

So basically you're just randomly responding to threads completely out of context

Or you're lying because you got called out

either way, pretty poor internet from you

how about you tell me since you know everything?

95 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:14:56pm

re: #94 brookly red

how about you tell me since you know everything?

keep on evading, we all know what you're doing here

96 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:15:10pm

re: #74 jaunte

Crap. I used to live near there ~20 years ago.

97 palomino  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:15:13pm

re: #83 WindUpBird

well you know, anything to slam San Francisco

I mean, they're unamerican, they're apparently all evil and anti military, they don't count

Funny that. San Fran is far more representative of America as a whole than many of the places referred to as "real America."

98 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:15:50pm

re: #85 HappyWarrior

Most current news... (I hope your cousin doesn't live on the far west side of town)...

Western Boulder is being prepared for possible evacuations. All areas west of Broadway where provided with the following instructions and items today:

Per Boulder OEM site:

Residents who live west of Broadway are specifically encouraged to take the following actions:

* Clear out lawns and western areas, removing all combustibles, including firewood, lawn furniture, play equipment, grills and propane tanks.

* Do not put propane tanks inside garages. Move them to the east side of your home in a highly visible location.

* Mow tall grass and remove extra brush from the west side of your home.

* Make certain that all windows on the west side of your home are closed and keep all interior doors closed. Keep your porch light and all exterior lights on.

* Make sure you have gas in your car and park your vehicle pointed in the direction of the road.

* Prepare your take-away kit with important documents, photos, medications and other significant items and put it in your car.

* Consider making shelter arrangements with friends and family members, if possible, for you and your pets.

City of Boulder also mowed a large portion of city property to the west of the city to help in the reduction of fuel sources.

99 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:16:52pm

re: #98 Walter L. Newton

Most current news... (I hope your cousin doesn't live on the far west side of town)...

Western Boulder is being prepared for possible evacuations. All areas west of Broadway where provided with the following instructions and items today:

Per Boulder OEM site:

Residents who live west of Broadway are specifically encouraged to take the following actions:

* Clear out lawns and western areas, removing all combustibles, including firewood, lawn furniture, play equipment, grills and propane tanks.

* Do not put propane tanks inside garages. Move them to the east side of your home in a highly visible location.

* Mow tall grass and remove extra brush from the west side of your home.

* Make certain that all windows on the west side of your home are closed and keep all interior doors closed. Keep your porch light and all exterior lights on.

* Make sure you have gas in your car and park your vehicle pointed in the direction of the road.

* Prepare your take-away kit with important documents, photos, medications and other significant items and put it in your car.

* Consider making shelter arrangements with friends and family members, if possible, for you and your pets.

City of Boulder also mowed a large portion of city property to the west of the city to help in the reduction of fuel sources.

Man insane stuff. I don't think he lives in the western part of town though. Thanks though.

100 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:17:27pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

I reversed the ding before I posted that.

Are you sure? I just refreshed the dings on that comment, your upding still shows.

101 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:17:39pm

re: #95 WindUpBird

keep on evading, we all know what you're doing here

oh dear God not this we all know bullshit again...

please rule the thread, it doesn't matter to me have a f'n party.

102 theheat  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:18:19pm

re: #97 palomino

Uh hum... some politicians' idea of Real America™ apparently consists of godly white people armed to the teeth feeding each other Doritos out of a banjo.

But I'm not going to name names...

103 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:18:35pm

re: #74 jaunte

They're talking about the Crestmoor 2 neighborhood, San Bruno.

I used to go running in that area up to skyline rd.

Still waiting for confirmation on the gas line, but few other possibilities.

Southern Californians should know that SoCal gas has "packed its lines" for some time. Many gas utilities get into gas trading because they can use their lines to store gas. So they will buy on the spot market and take delivery by "packing their lines" and then sell when the prices are good. Worst case is they sell it to you.

Problem is that packed lines if not maintained properly can explode. Don't know if that is the case here, but it is very much the case in the LA Basin.

104 Gus  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:18:54pm

re: #83 WindUpBird

well you know, anything to slam San Francisco

I mean, they're unamerican, they're apparently all evil and anti military, they don't count

Just use wingnut logic and anything's possible.

Gas fire in San Bruno, is are makes that San Francisco, is God's way of punishing homosexuals for a Federal judge deeming DADT teh unconstertutional.

105 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:19:22pm

re: #97 palomino

Funny that. San Fran is far more representative of America as a whole than many of the places referred to as "real America."

Hardly true. Not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing.

106 laZardo  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:19:28pm

Religion is inherently anti-science. There are scientists affiliated with religious faiths, but they're not really "religious."

/but you didn't need me to go 'broken record' here. q;

107 jaunte  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:20:19pm

re: #103 karmic_inquisitor

That sounds like a couple of hundred lawsuits waiting to happen.

108 Kragar  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:20:43pm

"The truth of our faith becomes a matter of ridicule among the infidels if any Catholic, not gifted with the necessary scientific learning, presents as dogma what scientific scrutiny shows to be false."
Saint Thomas Aquinas

Creationists,

Thanks for all the laughs.

The Infidels

109 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:21:12pm

re: #100 publicityStunted

Are you sure? I just refreshed the dings on that comment, your upding still shows.

fixed.

110 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:22:09pm

re: #106 laZardo

Can I edit that to replace "religion" with "dogmatism"?

111 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:22:34pm

re: #105 Slumbering Behemoth

Hardly true. Not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing.

Agreed. Most places are not as left as San Fran, not even places like Chicago that are dominated by the Democrats.

112 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:24:08pm

re: #98 Walter L. Newton

So what you need to do to be safe.
Don't forget to pack the pets EARLY.
They really freak out with the smell of fire & run away.

113 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:24:43pm

re: #97 palomino

Funny that. San Fran is far more representative of America as a whole than many of the places referred to as "real America."

All this stuff on the internet we take for granted was dev

114 palomino  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:24:52pm

re: #105 Slumbering Behemoth

Hardly true. Not saying that's a good thing or a bad thing.

Have to disagree. Which of these two more resembles what America is becoming in virtually every demographic and cultural respect--San Fran or Wasilla?

And yet we're told by the likes of Palin that her hometown is the "real America."

115 laZardo  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:25:04pm

re: #110 Slumbering Behemoth

Can I edit that to replace "religion" with "dogmatism"?

You could try, but I doubt there'll be any reconciliation.

116 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:25:35pm

re: #107 jaunte

That sounds like a couple of hundred lawsuits waiting to happen.

You might be surprised.

We had a huge fix it bill (well into 6 figures) after the Witch Fire which was caused by an SDG&E maintenance issue. Thousands of structures burned. Billions in damage.

It went like this - your insurance company worked out a settlement with you. The insurance companies got settlement checks from SDG&E. The difference? In the banks of the insurance companies (although ours was good enough to refund the deductible they collected from us).

117 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:26:30pm

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

Well, what I mean is that SF is not "far more representative of America as a whole than many of the places referred to as real America."

It's a great city. Lots of art, culture, fine dining, trade, history and so on. Wasn't even thinking about politics when I made that comment.

118 Jaerik  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:28:00pm

At this point, I think the prevailing mood of the country is helplessness and confusion. Tax cuts didn't work. Spending didn't work. There is no magic bullet. We're in a period of great economic fear and uncertainty, in the grips of complex forces beyond our control, and nobody seems to have the answers. We don't even have an obvious villain to blame.

So we start making @*#$ up. We cling to conspiracy theories that wrap inherent complexity in an easily understood package with a clear antagonist. We embrace simple, wholesome fictions of bygone virtue, escape to them in our own heads, and encourage others to join us there. Anything to simultaneously identify a malevolent force behind our predicament, and help us purge our guilty sense of collective complicity by establishing stark lines of delineation between Us and Them.

Basic logic and internal consistency be damned.

119 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:28:16pm

re: #97 palomino

Funny that. San Fran is far more representative of America as a whole than many of the places referred to as "real America."

AHEM

So much stuff we take for granted on the internet was developed in the bay area

Every conservative here who takes cheap shots at San Francisco should bow down and worship the bay because they would not have half the stuff they rely on each and every day were it not for the best-in-the-world internet brain trust in the bay. it does not GET more american than the start-up entrepreneurship and the massive skillsets of the people who live and work there, the silicon tech scene is amazing beyond measure.

I'm pretty much done forever with anyone dissing the bay, it's all these people who just got told to do that by dumbass radio talkers and heard a thing about a berkeley protester so they think they're an expert

just dumb stuff

120 Gus  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:28:30pm

re: #114 palomino

Have to disagree. Which of these two more resembles what America is becoming in virtually every demographic and cultural respect--San Fran or Wasilla?

And yet we're told by the likes of Palin that her hometown is the "real America."

They're all the real America: big towns, small towns, city, rural. That includes San Francisco, Charleston, Provo, Orange, Wasilla.

121 laZardo  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:29:19pm

re: #117 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, what I mean is that SF is not "far more representative of America as a whole than many of the places referred to as real America."

It's a great city. Lots of art, culture, fine dining, trade, history and so on. Wasn't even thinking about politics when I made that comment.

"The real" America to me is like Baskin-Robbins. 50 flavors to choose from.

122 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:29:38pm

re: #112 Floral Giraffe

So what you need to do to be safe.
Don't forget to pack the pets EARLY.
They really freak out with the smell of fire & run away.

Pets... schmets... if you have the time and ability, fine, take care of them... if the shit hits the fan and you have to save yourself or you family... I wouldn't think twice about the pets.

123 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:29:44pm

re: #117 Slumbering Behemoth

Well, what I mean is that SF is not "far more representative of America as a whole than many of the places referred to as real America."

It's a great city. Lots of art, culture, fine dining, trade, history and so on. Wasn't even thinking about politics when I made that comment.

What is more representative of America's creativity and entrepreneurship and world-class tech industry than san francisco?

You show me a more tech-oriented area that has more influence that leads the way more brightly than SF

124 laZardo  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:29:53pm

re: #119 WindUpBird

I was born in and named after San Francisco.

True story, bro. :3

125 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:30:43pm

re: #114 palomino

Have to disagree. Which of these two more resembles what America is becoming in virtually every demographic and cultural respect--San Fran or Wasilla?

And yet we're told by the likes of Palin that her hometown is the "real America."

Well see, that statement there is far more specific than your previous one. Perhaps there is a valid argument to be made, but I refuse to pick up Palin's rotten chestnut and hurl it at Wasilla or any other area in America. Besides, Wasilla is not her hometown.

Instead, I would prefer to say that San Francisco is far more representative of America than Palin's backwards thinking.

126 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:30:57pm

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. Most places are not as left as San Fran, not even places like Chicago that are dominated by the Democrats.

Hey DF -

I am from the SF area and still know lots up there. Most of those voting blue up there do it because of the social issues. Had my best man down here last weekend with his family and he votes blue because the social conservatism turns him off.

It really is that simple. They aren't all commies or pinkos. And yes, they get their code pink loonies and bumper sticker moralists screaming without anyone telling them to shut up. But the folks paying the bills and driving kids to school vote blue because they don't want the bible brigade telling them how to live. That is it.

127 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:31:00pm

re: #120 Gus 802

They're all the real America: big towns, small towns, city, rural. That includes San Francisco, Charleston, Provo, Orange, Wasilla.

Nailed it, seriously it annoyed the hell out of me when McCain's surrogates would talk about more liberal parts of the country as if they weren't really America. I posted here a couple weeks ago that McCain's dickhead brother refered to Northern Virgnia as Commie country. Another McCain surrogate said that the "real Virginia" was the more rural and thus more conservative part. I hate rhetoric like this and it's sleazy as hell.

128 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:31:01pm

re: #111 Dark_Falcon

Agreed. Most places are not as left as San Fran, not even places like Chicago that are dominated by the Democrats.

Most places are not as smart as san francisco either

But everyone everywhere in America RELYS ON WHAT SF MAKES, PERIOD, END OF STORY

They represent you, they help you, they shore you up, they make the stuff you rely on, period. You owe them more than you'll ever know.

129 laZardo  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:31:12pm

re: #123 WindUpBird

What is more representative of America's creativity and entrepreneurship and world-class tech industry than san francisco?

You show me a more tech-oriented area that has more influence that leads the way more brightly than SF

Shenzhen, China.

q;

130 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:31:18pm

re: #114 palomino

Have to disagree. Which of these two more resembles what America is becoming in virtually every demographic and cultural respect--San Fran or Wasilla?

And yet we're told by the likes of Palin that her hometown is the "real America."

A back woods, rural, meth capital of her state? There is plenty of that in middle America.

131 cliffster  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:31:40pm

Google says AIDS = JEWS??

I went to Google Translate and, sure enough...

132 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:32:00pm

re: #122 Walter L. Newton

Are you packed & ready to go?
Important pictures & documents in the cars?
Take pictures or video of the house, as you leave.
I'm so sorry to know this stuff, but wildfires driven by wind, can really roar.
Please get yourselves ready, and be glad if you don't need it, later.

133 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:32:15pm

re: #126 karmic_inquisitor

Hey DF -

I am from the SF area and still know lots up there. Most of those voting blue up there do it because of the social issues. Had my best man down here last weekend with his family and he votes blue because the social conservatism turns him off.

It really is that simple. They aren't all commies or pinkos. And yes, they get their code pink loonies and bumper sticker moralists screaming without anyone telling them to shut up. But the folks paying the bills and driving kids to school vote blue because they don't want the bible brigade telling them how to live. That is it.


it just so happens that San Francisco isn't full of people who think fags are going to come rape their kids

And because they agree on that, they vote blue

The problem is the GOP, not San Francisco. They're not so left as they simply will not tolerate bigotry.

Whereas a lot of conservatives will tolerate bigotry in their party

Simple

134 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:32:31pm

re: #128 WindUpBird

Most places are not as smart as san francisco either

But everyone everywhere in America RELYS ON WHAT SF MAKES, PERIOD, END OF STORY

They represent you, they help you, they shore you up, they make the stuff you rely on, period. You owe them more than you'll ever know.

WUB - you could say that about almost any place in the US - maybe not any city but certainly, that can be said of any state.

135 palomino  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:32:32pm

re: #120 Gus 802

They're all the real America: big towns, small towns, city, rural. That includes San Francisco, Charleston, Provo, Orange, Wasilla.

Of course they are. My point was that it's a largely reactionary meme used by the right to demonize places like San Fran, places that don't deserve such attacks.

136 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:32:35pm

re: #129 laZardo

Shenzhen, China.

q;

I mean in the US ;-)

137 laZardo  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:32:42pm

re: #131 cliffster

Google says AIDS = JEWS??

I went to Google Translate and, sure enough...

I blame 4chan. It's like that one time when mentioning "Heath Ledger" would get an autotranslate to "Tom Cruise."

138 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:32:44pm

re: #123 WindUpBird

I just want to go there for the food.

139 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:32:52pm

re: #115 laZardo

You could try, but I doubt there'll be any reconciliation.

I'm just saying that there are plenty of religious people who are not ruled by dogmatism, and have no problem accepting the reality of scientific facts.

140 laZardo  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:33:23pm

re: #136 WindUpBird

I mean in the US ;-)

San Jose.

141 Gus  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:33:28pm

re: #135 palomino

Of course they are. My point was that it's a largely reactionary meme used by the right to demonize places like San Fran, places that don't deserve such attacks.

I figured that. Just looked like a good place to make my statement. ;)

142 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:34:07pm

re: #134 reine.de.tout

WUB - you could say that about almost any place in the US - maybe not any city but certainly, that can be said of any state.

I do not believe any single municiality influences our way of life in a greater fashion than SF does

So I wildly disagree with you

We rely on google, apple, yahoo, ebay, we rely on the internet

And the core of internet development is the bay.

Cars, you can get from anywhere. Housing, infrastruture, culture, music, art, anywhere.

But not internet.

143 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:34:22pm

re: #140 laZardo

San Jose.

ILLEGALS!

144 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:34:30pm

Shit, I've never even been to SF and I tire of it being demonized. Yeah it's a heavily left leaning place. San Franciscans are still fellow Americans after all and besides everyone I've talked to says it's a wonderful city.

145 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:34:52pm

re: #135 palomino

Of course they are. My point was that it's a largely reactionary meme used by the right to demonize places like San Fran, places that don't deserve such attacks.

yes

I'm so through with the cheap shots

I am so very very fucking through

146 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:35:00pm

re: #126 karmic_inquisitor

Hey DF -

I am from the SF area and still know lots up there. Most of those voting blue up there do it because of the social issues. Had my best man down here last weekend with his family and he votes blue because the social conservatism turns him off.

It really is that simple. They aren't all commies or pinkos. And yes, they get their code pink loonies and bumper sticker moralists screaming without anyone telling them to shut up. But the folks paying the bills and driving kids to school vote blue because they don't want the bible brigade telling them how to live. That is it.

I was sobbing after Bush won in 2004, no lie. My sweet husband said "we can move to a blue state." There is a difference in attitude and community.

147 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:35:14pm

re: #121 laZardo

"The real" America to me is like Baskin-Robbins. 50 flavors to choose from.

More like 50 cubed.

148 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:35:19pm

re: #144 HappyWarrior

Shit, I've never even been to SF and I tire of it being demonized. Yeah it's a heavily left leaning place. San Franciscans are still fellow Americans after all and besides everyone I've talked to says it's a wonderful city.

It's beautiful and brilliant and the people I know that live there stun me with their skills and creativity

149 wee fury  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:36:12pm

re: #142 WindUpBird

I do not believe any single municiality influences our way of life in a greater fashion than SF does

So I wildly disagree with you

We rely on google, apple, yahoo, ebay, we rely on the internet

And the core of internet development is the bay.

Cars, you can get from anywhere. Housing, infrastruture, culture, music, art, anywhere.

But not internet.

Rumor has it that you are the Mayor.

150 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:36:17pm

re: #148 WindUpBird

They tend to be a little full of their city tho'.

Second place for most egotistical, behind NY but just Edging out in LA.

151 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:36:27pm

re: #134 reine.de.tout

WUB - you could say that about almost any place in the US - maybe not any city but certainly, that can be said of any state.

I'm from oregon, I love Oregon dearly, but Oregon has very very little influence on America. It's a woody littel west-coast nook full of weirdos

But the bay is worldwide huge

152 Gus  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:36:34pm

re: #140 laZardo

San Jose.

Do you know the way to San Jose?

/

153 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:36:37pm

re: #149 wee fury

Rumor has it that you are the Mayor.

Mayor? I barely knew her

154 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:37:00pm

re: #128 WindUpBird

Most places are not as smart as san francisco either

But everyone everywhere in America RELYS ON WHAT SF MAKES, PERIOD, END OF STORY

They represent you, they help you, they shore you up, they make the stuff you rely on, period. You owe them more than you'll ever know.

Are talking San Francisco proper or Silicon Valley?

155 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:37:15pm

re: #148 WindUpBird

It's beautiful and brilliant and the people I know that live there stun me with their skills and creativity

Gotta say as a fan of 60's rock, San Fran sure did produce a lot of good music. Love me some Jefferson Airplane.And yeah I bet it's a nice place. I've got to see a baseball game at PacBell Park one of these days.

156 cliffster  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:37:25pm

re: #147 Cato the Elder

More like 50 cubed.

50 cubed? That's pretty complicated for a guy who says he can't do math

;)

157 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:37:31pm

re: #120 Gus 802

They're all the real America: big towns, small towns, city, rural. That includes San Francisco, Charleston, Provo, Orange, Wasilla.

Thank you. Maybe I suck at getting my ideas across, but I am grateful that you were able to see my point and articulate it more succinctly.

You know I like you Gus, right? Even if we might exist on different poles of the political spectrum. Hell, I like you more than a whole lot of folks on my side.

158 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:37:53pm

re: #154 Mr Pancakes

Are talking San Francisco proper or Silicon Valley?

The whole area.

159 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:38:43pm

re: #155 HappyWarrior

Gotta say as a fan of 60's rock, San Fran sure did produce a lot of good music. Love me some Jefferson Airplane.And yeah I bet it's a nice place. I've got to see a baseball game at PacBell Park one of these days.

The bay area created a lot of metal outright: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

160 laZardo  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:38:53pm

re: #142 WindUpBird

re: #152 Gus 802

Do you know the way to San Jose?

/

Let me find my heart first. It'll guide me there.

/ignore author's confusion between frank and tony

161 brookly red  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:38:59pm

re: #156 cliffster

50 cubed? That's pretty complicated for a guy who says he can't do math

;)

don't think math, think bar tender... 50 rocks. cool.

162 Gus  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:39:29pm

re: #157 Slumbering Behemoth

Thank you. Maybe I suck at getting my ideas across, but I am grateful that you were able to see my point and articulate it more succinctly.

You know I like you Gus, right? Even if we might exist on different poles of the political spectrum. Hell, I like you more than a whole lot of folks on my side.

Why thank you Slumbering Behemoth. Beer's on me.

163 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:39:41pm

re: #158 WindUpBird

The whole area.

Ah huh

164 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:39:59pm

re: #132 Floral Giraffe

Are you packed & ready to go?
Important pictures & documents in the cars?
Take pictures or video of the house, as you leave.
I'm so sorry to know this stuff, but wildfires driven by wind, can really roar.
Please get yourselves ready, and be glad if you don't need it, later.

Clarification, I was posting info about western Boulder, not my town of Conifer... we are about 40 miles south of Boulder...

But we did have a wildfire this past spring, just up the side of the mountain I live on, about 1/2 mile away... as luck would have it, the fire moved over the top of the mountain and moved southwest of my house, instead of coming down the north east side and right down my street.

We did get a reverse 911 call to evacuate... but I hung around to see if it was going to be a problem.

I had things in the car, took a dry run with the pets (actually drove uphill to the command HQ fighting the fire so I could get first hand info) and had a battery powered ham radio and cell phone ready if we lost power.

Wildfire, nasty things, and we are in a condition red right now.

165 wee fury  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:40:44pm

Vikings lost. It is a good night.

166 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:40:52pm

Anyone going to flounce on SAN FRANCISCO?

lol

No, they're not, but dang it if the abuse still comes.

Nothing like those tough Tennessee folks.

167 cliffster  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:41:09pm

re: #165 wee fury

Vikings lost. It is a good night.

I hate you

168 palomino  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:41:25pm

re: #125 Slumbering Behemoth

Well see, that statement there is far more specific than your previous one. Perhaps there is a valid argument to be made, but I refuse to pick up Palin's rotten chestnut and hurl it at Wasilla or any other area in America. Besides, Wasilla is not her hometown.

Instead, I would prefer to say that San Francisco is far more representative of America than Palin's backwards thinking.

San Fran is a far more heterogeneous community (in cultural and demographic terms) than a place like Wasilla. And America as a whole is currently moving in this direction at a rapid pace. So calling Wasilla the real America is messed up.

Sure, SF is liberal, but I'd say the same things about San Diego, Houston, etc.--far more conservative cities.

169 wee fury  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:41:40pm

re: #167 cliffster

I hate you

:D I don't care. :D

170 laZardo  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:41:45pm

re: #160 laZardo

Also, beats any of that newfangled hip-hop ruckus about New York. Who said we San Franciscans can't love the old things? q:

171 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:41:55pm

re: #163 Mr Pancakes

Ah huh

is this where you go HRGLBLRGH BERKELEY PROTESTOR

because I want to just know whether I should just close this window and do something more worthy of my time

172 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:42:18pm

re: #165 wee fury

Vikings lost. It is a good night.

1-0 on my pool woot!

173 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:42:24pm

re: #166 Stanley Sea

Anyone going to flounce on SAN FRANCISCO?

lol

No, they're not, but dang it if the abuse still comes.

Nothing like those tough Tennessee folks.

I'm not going to flounce, I might git myself banned by fighting back. We'll see! :D

174 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:42:43pm

re: #165 wee fury

Vikings lost. It is a good night.

My sister will like it. She's a big Drew Brees fan (they both went to Purdue).

175 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:42:48pm

re: #171 WindUpBird

is this where you go HRGLBLRGH BERKELEY PROTESTOR

because I want to just know whether I should just close this window and do something more worthy of my time

Dude... get a grip.

176 jaunte  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:42:52pm

re: #166 Stanley Sea

Anyone going to flounce on SAN FRANCISCO?

lol

No, they're not, but dang it if the abuse still comes.

Nothing like those tough Tennessee folks.

No one has called it 'Frisco yet, so there may still be potential.

177 Gus  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:43:06pm

re: #160 laZardo

re: #152 Gus 802

Let me find my heart first. It'll guide me there.


[Video]/ignore author's confusion between frank and tony

Yeah, that's Tony. Great song.

I think the last shot is from Flight Simulator.

178 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:43:16pm

re: #168 palomino

San Fran is a far more heterogeneous community (in cultural and demographic terms) than a place like Wasilla. And America as a whole is currently moving in this direction at a rapid pace. So calling Wasilla the real America is messed up.

Sure, SF is liberal, but I'd say the same things about San Diego, Houston, etc.--far more conservative cities.

What represents America is a mixture of cultures, not monoculture

179 palomino  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:43:19pm

re: #127 HappyWarrior

Nailed it, seriously it annoyed the hell out of me when McCain's surrogates would talk about more liberal parts of the country as if they weren't really America. I posted here a couple weeks ago that McCain's dickhead brother refered to Northern Virgnia as Commie country. Another McCain surrogate said that the "real Virginia" was the more rural and thus more conservative part. I hate rhetoric like this and it's sleazy as hell.

That "real America" talk, in its "real Virginia" form, cost George Allen his Senate seat back in 2006. Before this, he was a rising star in the gop. Some think he's planning a comeback.

180 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:43:25pm

re: #175 Mr Pancakes

Dude... get a grip.

hahaha whatever champ

181 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:43:48pm

re: #168 palomino

So calling Wasilla the real America is messed up.

Word. Calling any city/state "The Real America" as a jab against another city/state is bullshit.

182 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:44:01pm

re: #173 WindUpBird

I'm not going to flounce, I might git myself banned by fighting back. We'll see! :D

No one's fighting you. I griped a bit, that's all.

183 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:44:28pm

re: #173 WindUpBird

I'm not going to flounce, I might git myself banned by fighting back. We'll see! :D

oh please. Just don't get too offended. It's a weird thing about the West, the FLYOVER states hate it!!

184 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:44:43pm

re: #180 WindUpBird

hahaha whatever champ

No one I know confuses downtown San Diego with Sorrento Valley or the Golden Triangle.

185 Gus  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:44:43pm

San Francisco songs!

If you're going to San Francisco

I don't know why, maybe I do, but that song's a tear jerker.

186 cliffster  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:45:03pm

re: #174 Dark_Falcon

My sister will like it. She's a big Drew Brees fan (they both went to Purdue).

I have Drew Brees on my fantasy team. This is going to make my hatred of the Saints a little awkward this year.

187 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:45:09pm

re: #179 palomino

That "real America" talk, in its "real Virginia" form, cost George Allen his Senate seat back in 2006. Before this, he was a rising star in the gop. Some think he's planning a comeback.

Macaca? That the guy?

188 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:45:44pm

re: #106 laZardo

Religion is inherently anti-science. There are scientists affiliated with religious faiths, but they're not really "religious."

/but you didn't need me to go 'broken record' here. q;

Francis Collins, world-famous geneticist and little-known rock musician, is devoutly religious. His scientific credentials cannot be denied. According to his own writing, his religious revelation derived not from his study of the most basic building-blocks of the human organism, but from having witnessed a frozen waterfall. To me, that's rather weird.

I'm a "medium-strong" atheist, by which I mean that I'm reasonably sure there are no wizards in control of all this stuff. I am absolutely certain that the god described in the Torah / Bible / Koran is purely a human invention. At the same time, however, I believe that the universe in which we live is not only queerer can we suppose, but queerer than we *can* suppose. (insert Village People / Jeff Stryker country music jokes here)

tl;dr: legitimately rigorous scientists demonstrably can also be sincerely religious.

189 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:45:51pm

re: #171 WindUpBird

It's just that there are a lot of miles between the city of San Francisco and the area known as Silicon Valley.

190 laZardo  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:46:00pm

re: #173 WindUpBird

I'm not going to flounce, I might git myself banned by fighting back. We'll see! :D

DISSING SAN FRANCISCO? WHY I OUGHTA-

:B

191 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:46:36pm

re: #184 Mr Pancakes

No one I know confuses downtown San Diego with Sorrento Valley or the Golden Triangle.

Fun, hell and another hell.

192 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:46:49pm

re: #183 Stanley Sea

I don't hate it. It scares me a bit, but I don't hate it. If I would have come up in LA, I think I would have been robbed 10 times instead of the 5 times I was in KC.

193 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:47:47pm

re: #184 Mr Pancakes

The funny thing is the classic place people think of with the 'URRGH SF EVIL LIBERALS!' Is berkely, which... yeah.

194 palomino  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:48:13pm

re: #187 Stanley Sea

Macaca? That the guy?

he's the one. A conservative golden boy for the future until that 2006 screwup. Dems will have big Senate losses in Nov, but not anyone considered a future party leader.

195 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:48:15pm

re: #187 Stanley Sea

Macaca? That the guy?

Yeah they were talking about him as being presidential material before Webb beat him. I'm telling you the "welcome to the real Virginia macaca" comment offended me not because of hte slur he used but because of his insuitation that kid wasn't a Virginian. The kid was Virginia born and raised, went to our state's finest high school, Thomas Jefferson (a school where I couldn't even have cheated to get in to) and I believe went to UVA. Funny side note about that dude though. We were talking local politics at the College Dems meeting last night and the co-president mentioned he knew the guy.

196 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:48:23pm

re: #182 Dark_Falcon

No one's fighting you. I griped a bit, that's all.

No, because you can't fight me, you just take cheap shots at great cities and then disappear when you're called on it

it's getting really tiresome and shitty, your constant obsession with partisanship as if that;s all that rules a man, is how far right or left he is

What a boring and pathetic way to think of a city full of thinking people, what an incomplete and completely uninformed way to think of a town. How inhuman, how stupid. Oh man, it's left wing! Well that's it, DF has spoken, judgement made, who cares about their world class food, who cares about Google changing how the entire EARTH DOES BUSINESS, who cares about ebay, who cares about paypal, who cares about so many influential musicians over four decades that changed the world?

They're left wing, they must suck. oh and something about a battleship, that's all you care about

I just don't get how someone could be around all this information and yet completely reject it in favor of blind tribalism. I do not understand how your brain works, how you can reject so much data.

197 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:48:25pm

re: #192 prairiefire

I don't hate it. It scares me a bit, but I don't hate it. If I would have come up in LA, I think I would have been robbed 10 times instead of the 5 times I was in KC.

The weather makes you a believer. Everything else is really nice too.

You'd love it. But I'd love your area too. Till Summer.

198 laZardo  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:48:54pm

re: #193 windsagio

The funny thing is the classic place people think of with the 'URRGH SF EVIL LIBERALS!' Is berkely, which... yeah.

I prefer hippies to hipsters. At least hippies found something valid to stand up (or sit in, lol) against.

199 What, me worry?  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:49:00pm

re: #176 jaunte

No one has called it 'Frisco yet, so there may still be potential.

Funny movie.

200 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:49:25pm

re: #133 WindUpBird

it just so happens that San Francisco isn't full of people who think fags are going to come rape their kids

And because they agree on that, they vote blue

The problem is the GOP, not San Francisco. They're not so left as they simply will not tolerate bigotry.

Whereas a lot of conservatives will tolerate bigotry in their party

Simple

I am a 6th generation Californian and grew up in San Mateo. Parents from Palo Alto and Watsonville. Grandparents/Great Grandparents/Great great and so on from places like San Jose, Santa Maria, Riverside, Fresno, San Gabriel, Monterrey and Ft Bragg.

Seen the state go from "Reagan Country" to its current deep shade of blue.

Most folks I meet weren't born here. That is fine with me. What I don't understand is the parochialism that has taken over this state. Ag types in the valley dissing the coast. Coastal liberals dissing the red necks in the valley. So cal bashing nor cal and vice versa.

People come here for freedom and opportunity. Nothing unAmerican about that. Because of the California mystique, the freedom most seek is an individual/social freedom. Wanting that freedom used to be a Western ideal of western conservatism. Now I guess it means "liberal". At the same time, people here don't want to be told "you must accept and celebrate the difference that I represent" which is a post-modern "inclusion" theme that imposes its own small oppressions.

I wish people would stop cutting up this state into parts that they get to covet for themselves and those like them. I love this state. I know how the waves break differently in La Jolla than at Steamers Lane in Santa Cruz. I know the oak trees on the hillsides in Concord are different from those in Paso Robles. I know the sage smell of the hill sides in the Cuyamacas. I love the stink of Mono Lake. I know the Yucca near San Luis Obispo grows taller than it does in Anza Borrego. And I know that I still know very little about this place. And I wish everyone here would resign themselves to the fact that none of us really own this place.

201 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:50:00pm

re: #198 laZardo

God I just had a flashback to a SF friend... haded PDX because of all the 'hipsters', and I'm thinkin' You're from San Francisco!

202 sadhu  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:50:05pm

San Bruno fire is huge!

203 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:50:11pm

re: #184 Mr Pancakes

No one I know confuses downtown San Diego with Sorrento Valley or the Golden Triangle.

I got what you're saying, you want to carve off San Francisco from where all the tech is, eaiser to slam the dirty hippies, dont even worry about it

Not going to happen, son, it's all the same area, it's the same culture, the reason the tech sector isn't 100% contained in the bay proper is there isn't enough damn room

204 Gus  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:50:19pm
205 jaunte  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:51:36pm

re: #199 marjoriemoon

Thanks for reminding me, I have to get a copy of that!

206 laZardo  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:51:53pm

re: #188 negativ

Or perhaps when we do find the question to life, the universe and everything, the whole problem will be replaced by something even harder to question and answer.

207 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:51:59pm

re: #200 karmic_inquisitor

I can smell the ocean breeze!! Great post.

208 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:52:01pm

re: #198 laZardo

I prefer hippies to hipsters. At least hippies found something valid to stand up (or sit in, lol) against.

Ya know, I think I'll run for POTUS in 2012. My only campaign promise will be to make it illegal, punishable by noogies, for anyone born after the year 1950 to call themselves a hippie.

209 cliffster  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:52:35pm

I like San Francisco. I've been there a few times.. it's cool. The people there are ok too, they just shouldn't be allowed to vote.

210 jamesfirecat  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:52:36pm

re: #206 laZardo

Or perhaps when we do find the question to life, the universe and everything, the whole problem will be replaced by something even harder to question and answer.

Mostly Harmless?

211 sadhu  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:52:55pm

CBS5 - [Link: cbs5.com...]
Twitter feed - [Link: search.twitter.com...]

212 jamesfirecat  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:52:57pm

re: #209 cliffster

I like San Francisco. I've been there a few times.. it's cool. The people there are ok too, they just shouldn't be allowed to vote.

I think you forgot your sarc tag there mate...

213 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:52:58pm

re: #208 Slumbering Behemoth

Ya know, I think I'll run for POTUS in 2012. My only campaign promise will be to make it illegal, punishable by noogies, for anyone born after the year 1950 to call themselves a hippie.

Sounds like my Dad is getting a noogie then (born 1951)

214 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:53:02pm

re: #189 Slumbering Behemoth

It's just that there are a lot of miles between the city of San Francisco and the area known as Silicon Valley.

There;s a lot of miles between Vancouver WA and Portland, but it's still a communtable distance and we still consider it a suburb

This is splitting some real stupid hairs here, but whatever

If the hate on SF must go on, if all the duitful drones got their marching orders from radio jocks that Sf is unamerican because something about a military boat or whetever the latest fake outrage is, then I'll just have to keep pushing back and making enemies here

Happy to do it, because there needs to be someone who won't stand for the pigs being pigs

215 What, me worry?  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:53:05pm

re: #205 jaunte

Thanks for reminding me, I have to get a copy of that!

Me too :)

Oh, and then there's this!

216 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:53:34pm

re: #209 cliffster

I like San Francisco. I've been there a few times.. it's cool. The people there are ok too, they just shouldn't be allowed to vote.

yeah, they're just not informed

I mean, they only create some of the best culture on earth, what we need is less education

218 sadhu  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:54:30pm

Google map of area - [Link: goo.gl...]

219 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:54:40pm

re: #203 WindUpBird

I got what you're saying, you want to carve off San Francisco from where all the tech is, eaiser to slam the dirty hippies, dont even worry about it

Not going to happen, son, it's all the same area, it's the same culture, the reason the tech sector isn't 100% contained in the bay proper is there isn't enough damn room

I love "Frisco" ... please don't confuse SF downtown with a hi tech mecca... boy.

220 calochortus  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:55:19pm

San Bruno fire must be getting under control because we aren't seeing any light up that way (about 20 miles north of here and on the other side of a hill, so we don't see it directly.) News reports indicate a backhoe hit a high-pressure gas line, so I don't think this is an infrastructure issue as someone snarkily suggested earlier. A lot injuries, at least one death reported so far and, of course, a lot of damage to houses.

221 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:55:26pm

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

Do what you need to do to be safe.
OK?
Best wishes to you.

222 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:55:31pm

re: #212 jamesfirecat

I think you forgot your sarc tag there mate...

What we need is some more mindless Nancy Pelosi hate in this thread

223 laZardo  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:56:06pm

re: #219 Mr Pancakes

I love "Frisco" ... please don't confuse SF downtown with a hi tech mecca... boy.

What do you think the Apple Store there is for?

224 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:56:17pm

re: #212 jamesfirecat

From what do you derive the idea he's joking? >>

225 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:56:20pm

re: #219 Mr Pancakes

I love "Frisco" ... please don't confuse SF downtown with a hi tech mecca... boy.

hahaha you simply are not capable of internet, but that's fine, you're trying

See, you need to use your own material, only old people think echoing is clever

226 jaunte  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:56:23pm

re: #220 calochortus

They're estimating 45 houses have burned.

227 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:56:25pm

re: #223 laZardo

What do you think the Apple Store there is for?

Sales?

228 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:56:35pm

re: #195 HappyWarrior

Yeah they were talking about him as being presidential material before Webb beat him. I'm telling you the "welcome to the real Virginia macaca" comment offended me not because of hte slur he used but because of his insuitation that kid wasn't a Virginian. The kid was Virginia born and raised, went to our state's finest high school, Thomas Jefferson (a school where I couldn't even have cheated to get in to) and I believe went to UVA. Funny side note about that dude though. We were talking local politics at the College Dems meeting last night and the co-president mentioned he knew the guy.

To me, this was really key. I am not classifying racism, any is the pits. But for this guy to be racist against a person of East Indian descent? That is some deep racism.

But with Palin defending Dr. Laura, and Rush with his continuous racist rants, Beck too, nothing is taboo anymore.

cry

229 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:56:39pm

re: #166 Stanley Sea

Anyone going to flounce on SAN FRANCISCO?

lol

No, they're not, but dang it if the abuse still comes.

Nothing like those tough Tennessee folks.

Where's the abuse?

230 wee fury  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:56:42pm

re: #222 WindUpBird

What we need is some more mindless Nancy Pelosi hate in this thread

Hate is such a . . . strong word.

231 Gus  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:56:43pm
232 Gitarzan  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:57:03pm

re: #55 tradewind

Hang on, San Francisco. Obama's coming to fix your infrastructure.

Not fucking cool at all...Obdicut left earlier to check on some friends of his and their families in that area (and some are apparently injured from the blast).

/jackass

233 Nimed  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:57:03pm

re: #212 jamesfirecat

I think you forgot your sarc tag there mate...

Heh, I also dislike using the tag when I feel a joke is obvious enough. Of course, sometimes a joke is obvious only in one's twisted mind...

234 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:57:08pm

re: #222 WindUpBird

What we need is some more mindless Nancy Pelosi hate in this thread

Ooh a kid campaigning for the Republican candidate asked me how I felt about her last Friday. Didn't really talk politics with him though since I was in a hurry to get to Spanish but it was funny stuff since he thought I was Czech due to wearing a Prague T-shirt.

235 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:57:28pm

re: #203 WindUpBird

You're lumping in SF with an area that, geographically speaking, is many miles away.

Not going to happen, son, it's all the same area, it's the same culture

Oh man. I lived in the Bay Area for over twenty years. You have no idea how horribly wrong that statement is.

236 Gus  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:57:55pm
237 jamesfirecat  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:58:06pm

re: #224 windsagio

From what do you derive the idea he's joking? >>

Because my faith in humanity doesn't want to accept the possibility he's not...

238 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:58:10pm
239 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:58:10pm

re: #226 jaunte

They're estimating 45 houses have burned.

And that is a VERY sad thing, for the families involved.

240 Nimed  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:58:16pm

re: #224 windsagio

From what do you derive the idea he's joking? >>

In LGF, you should give the benefit of the doubt to everybody except Walter.

241 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:58:19pm

re: #228 Stanley Sea

He threw his sister through a sliding glass door as an older teen when he was supposed to be "babysitting" his younger siblings. Charmer.

242 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:59:26pm

re: #232 talon_262

Not fucking cool at all...Obdicut left earlier to check on some friends of his and their families in that area (and some are apparently injured from the blast).

/jackass

This is sorta what set me off, in case anyone is wondering why I'm being an asshole

Just sick of scumbags here getting a pass, it's disgusting me

243 Gitarzan  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:59:27pm

re: #84 tradewind

My innocuous comment is certainly not going to impede the rescue efforts, and I hope no one is hurt.
You, on the other hand, might remove the stick from your backside.
Or not.

Go take a long walk off a short pier...

244 What, me worry?  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:59:32pm

re: #205 jaunte

Thanks for reminding me, I have to get a copy of that!

You know of the Jewish Memorial up on Boothill cemetery?

245 Walter L. Newton  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 8:59:44pm

re: #240 Nimed

In LGF, you should give the benefit of the doubt to everybody except Walter.

Damn straight.

246 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:00:20pm

re: #240 Nimed

Well you know how it is, some people have developed a record of saying crazy reactionary things :P

247 webevintage  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:00:30pm

re: #222 WindUpBird

What we need is some more mindless Nancy Pelosi hate in this thread

I just don't get the Pelosi hate.
I love her...

248 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:00:45pm

More incredibly influential bay area thrash

249 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:01:07pm

re: #246 windsagio

Well you know how it is, some people have developed a record of saying crazy reactionary things :P

They never get called on it, so they keep going

So I'm calling them on it

250 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:01:14pm

re: #214 WindUpBird

If you're gonna bitch at someone for SF hate, direct it at someone else, 'cuz that's not what I'm doing. And the hair splitting in this case seems necessary, as you have clumped a whole lot of things about the Bay Area into one big messy dreadlock.

251 jaunte  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:01:17pm

re: #244 marjoriemoon

You know of the Jewish Memorial up on Boothill cemetery?

No I hadn't seen that before; interesting.

252 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:01:19pm

re: #228 Stanley Sea

To me, this was really key. I am not classifying racism, any is the pits. But for this guy to be racist against a person of East Indian descent? That is some deep racism.

But with Palin defending Dr. Laura, and Rush with his continuous racist rants, Beck too, nothing is taboo anymore.

cry


Yep, as I said what infuriated me about the whole exchange was that the college student he called that was about as Virginian as could be. Most of us Northern Virginians are proud of our area's cultural diversity. I know that I am not just because the food diversity is awesome :) but because you meet people with all sorts of unique backgrounds. One of my best friends growing up was Pervuian for example.

253 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:01:30pm

re: #219 Mr Pancakes

Mr. P??? What up?

254 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:01:31pm

re: #247 webevintage

I just don't get the Pelosi hate.
I love her...

Neither do I, she's pretty moderate actually, she's pissed off a lot of liberals

But yet the rage continues

255 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:01:34pm

re: #242 WindUpBird

This is sorta what set me off, in case anyone is wondering why I'm being an asshole

Just sick of scumbags here getting a pass, it's disgusting me

Uh huh... a post set you off 11 posts ago... I think you were being a dick way before that.

256 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:01:52pm

re: #247 webevintage

Web, Martha Stewart said she thought Pelosi was "absolutely beautiful".

257 Temporarily Embarrassed Millionaire  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:02:21pm

No matter how cool s/he is, I bet you've never made a devotional video for your dog.

258 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:02:27pm

re: #253 Stanley Sea

Mr. P??? What up?

He called me son so I called him boy... that's all.

259 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:02:29pm

re: #235 Slumbering Behemoth

You're lumping in SF with an area that, geographically speaking, is many miles away.

Oh man. I lived in the Bay Area for over twenty years. You have no idea how horribly wrong that statement is.

When I was a kid growing up on the Peninsula the tennis ladies in the neighborhood used to disparage San Jose and the valley as "the place where the carpet ends and the linoleum begins."

That was the 70s before the valley was more than orchards, warehouses and cheap housing. That local snobbery still exists. Saratoga still sees itself as above Campbell and Woodside sees itself as above Saratoga. And Portola Valley (the former hick town) is above them all. Snob Hill is still Snob Hill though.

260 What, me worry?  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:02:37pm

re: #251 jaunte

No I hadn't seen that before; interesting.

Jewish pioneers of the old west. Pretty groovy stuff.

261 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:02:40pm

Something totally offpoint but that I like:

262 Gus  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:02:40pm
263 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:03:15pm

re: #229 reine.de.tout

Where's the abuse?

Ah Reine, it was only Tradewind. My bad.

264 calochortus  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:03:20pm

re: #256 prairiefire

Martha Stewart and Nancy Pelosi in the same sentence? Somehow I can't wrap my mind around that.

265 laZardo  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:03:21pm

Lunch time brb.

266 HappyWarrior  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:03:42pm

I don't hate Pelosi, wouldn't call myself a fan either but I don't understand the hatred she gets. Guess I'm biased because I lean left and would rather have her as speaker than Boehner but I don't know, I just don't understand what about the woman that elicits such nastiness. And besides her old man was responsible for my favorite baseball team being born.

267 jamesfirecat  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:03:49pm

Once again it's just past midnight here and once again, I'm off for bed.

268 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:04:18pm

re: #264 calochortus

Martha Stewart and Nancy Pelosi in the same sentence? Somehow I can't wrap my mind around that.

Martha is a staunch Democrat and she thinks Ms Pelosi is wonderful.

269 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:05:22pm

re: #263 Stanley Sea

Ah Reine, it was only Tradewind. My bad.

lol :D

270 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:05:45pm

re: #247 webevintage

I just don't get the Pelosi hate.
I love her...

Especially when she carried the ceremonial gavel for the health care vote.

YES

271 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:06:25pm

re: #249 WindUpBird

They never get called on it, so they keep going

Called on what? Shooting uniformed hate at California? If so, you'd be wrong again. I have called many people to the carpet here for that crap, many times.

272 calochortus  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:06:36pm

re: #259 karmic_inquisitor

When I was a kid growing up on the Peninsula the tennis ladies in the neighborhood used to disparage San Jose and the valley as "the place where the carpet ends and the linoleum begins."

That was the 70s before the valley was more than orchards, warehouses and cheap housing. That local snobbery still exists. Saratoga still sees itself as above Campbell and Woodside sees itself as above Saratoga. And Portola Valley (the former hick town) is above them all. Snob Hill is still Snob Hill though.

Well, you're more likely to get a Jello salad at a San Jose potluck and wine at a S.F. potluck, for what that's worth. And Portola Valley is still looked at as a hick town by the folks in Woodside. Woodside and Atherton can fight it out for Most Important People.

273 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:06:46pm

re: #250 Slumbering Behemoth

If you're gonna bitch at someone for SF hate, direct it at someone else, 'cuz that's not what I'm doing. And the hair splitting in this case seems necessary, as you have clumped a whole lot of things about the Bay Area into one big messy dreadlock.

Basically here's how I see it

Nobody can argue with me that the bay area isn't completely dominant, it's obviously true and beyond dispute. But the conservative tribalism, the pavlovian call and response to viciously hate on SF as a symbol of leftism is strong. So! The crazy hairsplitting meme is that the culture of the boundariest of SF proper are somehow totally distinct from the cuture of SJ and Silicon Valley.

Which is ludiicrous and pathetic to try and claim. As someone who goes there every year and knows dozens and dozens of people who work in the valley, it's not true, they're all the same people. SF is the cultural center, but some people gotta drive to where the server farms are. Even if they spend their evenings at the clubs and the restuarants in the city proper, they suddenly don't count because they had to drive out to Sunnyvale to troubleshoot a down server at their colo?

No. It's not true. You are wrong.

The guys who work at Apple and at Google, they still hop on the BART and go to Death Guild. They don't DJ at Sunnyvale, they DJ in SF. They still eat in the city. They still see shows in the city. They're SF people.

274 jaunte  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:06:48pm

re: #260 marjoriemoon

Jewish pioneers of the old west. Pretty groovy stuff.


You might enjoy seeing this:
[Link: www.mediaprojects.org...]

275 Gus  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:07:33pm

These are funny...

[Link: www.hulu.com...]

Log Jam: The Log

276 webevintage  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:07:42pm

re: #270 Stanley Sea

Especially when she carried the ceremonial gavel for the health care vote.

YES

I thought it was awesome how they walked though all the teatard patriots.
But I drink the liberal kool aid so what do I know...

277 calochortus  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:07:46pm

re: #268 prairiefire
I'm not a Martha fan, so I had no idea of her politics.

278 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:08:11pm

re: #255 Mr Pancakes

Uh huh... a post set you off 11 posts ago... I think you were being a dick way before that.

I've been a dick since I arrived here. :)

279 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:08:24pm

re: #276 webevintage

I thought it was awesome how they walked though all the teatard patriots.
But I drink the liberal kool aid so what do I know...

I love the term teatard so much

280 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:08:35pm

re: #261 windsagio

Something totally offpoint but that I like:


[Video]

I so don't get you but still like you.

281 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:08:50pm

re: #278 WindUpBird

I've been a dick since I arrived here. :)

WUB doesn't feel the need to be loved by bloggers >>

282 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:09:15pm

re: #273 WindUpBird

Basically here's how I see it

Nobody can argue with me that the bay area isn't completely dominant, it's obviously true and beyond dispute. But the conservative tribalism, the pavlovian call and response to viciously hate on SF as a symbol of leftism is strong. So! The crazy hairsplitting meme is that the culture of the boundariest of SF proper are somehow totally distinct from the cuture of SJ and Silicon Valley.

Which is ludiicrous and pathetic to try and claim. As someone who goes there every year and knows dozens and dozens of people who work in the valley, it's not true, they're all the same people. SF is the cultural center, but some people gotta drive to where the server farms are. Even if they spend their evenings at the clubs and the restuarants in the city proper, they suddenly don't count because they had to drive out to Sunnyvale to troubleshoot a down server at their colo?

No. It's not true. You are wrong.

The guys who work at Apple and at Google, they still hop on the BART and go to Death Guild. They don't DJ at Sunnyvale, they DJ in SF. They still eat in the city. They still see shows in the city. They're SF people.

Stoppit... just stoppit.

283 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:09:31pm

re: #273 WindUpBird

If you were to split the state in half, the politics would split in half too.
I think the population is also about equal.

284 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:09:32pm

re: #280 Stanley Sea

Different worlds lady!

Comics normally leave me cold, but if you throw a game I care about in >>

Also, seriously, he parries a helicopter!

285 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:10:11pm

re: #259 karmic_inquisitor

When I was a kid growing up on the Peninsula the tennis ladies in the neighborhood used to disparage San Jose and the valley as "the place where the carpet ends and the linoleum begins."

That was the 70s before the valley was more than orchards, warehouses and cheap housing. That local snobbery still exists. Saratoga still sees itself as above Campbell and Woodside sees itself as above Saratoga. And Portola Valley (the former hick town) is above them all. Snob Hill is still Snob Hill though.

There;s tons of snobbery about Gresham versus Portland, and Gresham used to literally BE Portland, the boundary lines and the mailing addresses said Portland.

286 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:10:40pm

re: #151 WindUpBird

I'm from oregon, I love Oregon dearly, but Oregon has very very little influence on America. It's a woody littel west-coast nook full of weirdos

But the bay is worldwide huge

Very true.
But the world is more than the things you mentioned above - the internet, paypal, music. All wonderful and great things, I love them all, I use all of them, the world is indeed a richer, better place for these things. But it's not everything.

Oregon:
Agriculturally productive
Timber
Wine
Tech (Intel)
Biotech (Genentech)
Salmon
Tourism
Diverse landscape

287 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:10:59pm

re: #283 Floral Giraffe

If you were to split the state in half, the politics would split in half too.
I think the population is also about equal.

Oh I know about the inland empire!

I'm just talking about the bay

288 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:11:31pm

re: #287 WindUpBird

Nobody would say LA and SF are the same, either >

289 calochortus  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:12:00pm

re: #273 WindUpBird

Just a minor point, folks in Sunnyvale can't hop on BART and go anywhere. It doesn't come down the Peninsula any farther than the SF airport.

290 What, me worry?  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:13:17pm

re: #274 jaunte

You might enjoy seeing this:
[Link: www.mediaprojects.org...]

Oh yes! There was a famous Texas rabbi there. I'll have to find some info on him for you.

291 prairiefire  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:13:40pm

Democratic Domestics Rule! Who else is going to spiff the place up?

Night, lizards.

292 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:13:48pm

re: #282 Mr Pancakes

Stoppit... just stoppit.

hey, we need to meet up at the IHOP in Oceanside. Yep.

293 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:14:33pm

re: #288 windsagio

Nobody would say LA and SF are the same, either >

SoCal v NoCal

Sports is all I know, but it's pretty brutal.

294 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:14:38pm

re: #292 Stanley Sea

hey, we need to meet up at the IHOP in Oceanside. Yep.

Sounds good once I get this ankle bracelet off.

295 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:14:47pm

re: #250 Slumbering Behemoth

If you're gonna bitch at someone for SF hate, direct it at someone else, 'cuz that's not what I'm doing. And the hair splitting in this case seems necessary, as you have clumped a whole lot of things about the Bay Area into one big messy dreadlock.

I don't see anybody hating SF.
I see folks making the case that, well, there are actually good things also going on beyond the borders of SF.

re: #273 WindUpBird

Basically here's how I see it

Nobody can argue with me that the bay area isn't completely dominant, it's obviously true and beyond dispute. But the conservative tribalism, the pavlovian call and response to viciously hate on SF as a symbol of leftism is strong. So! The crazy hairsplitting meme is that the culture of the boundariest of SF proper are somehow totally distinct from the cuture of SJ and Silicon Valley.. ..

You engage in your own partisanship and "tribalism", and that's the way it is, and I personally enjoy the fact that we're not all the same. For the life of me, I cannot understand why you get so put out that other folks have a different opinion or outlook than yours.

296 webevintage  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:14:55pm

night

297 Nimed  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:15:15pm

re: #247 webevintage

I just don't get the Pelosi hate.
I love her...

:)
I used to have mixed feelings about Pelosi. Not anymore. Her role in passing HCR after the post-Scott Brown election Great Democratic Panic earned her a place in my heart for eternity.

I LOVE YOU, PELOSI! OOH, YOU'RE SO FINE, MS. SPEAKER MADAM! WITH ALL DUE RESPECT!

298 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:15:18pm

re: #286 reine.de.tout

Very true.
But the world is more than the things you mentioned above - the internet, paypal, music. All wonderful and great things, I love them all, I use all of them, the world is indeed a richer, better place for these things. But it's not everything.

Oregon:
Agriculturally productive
Timber
Wine
Tech (Intel)
Biotech (Genentech)
Salmon
Tourism
Diverse landscape

Rich to me, sure, but I'm talking about the things that represent America, the things we do best, the things that are world class. The white hot points of light that America can hold up and say "we OWN this, we do it so well. It represents what we can achieve."

Not like, an average of Americans. Not like a "well, our average IQ across the country is this, so we're this." What the best and brightest among us can achieve. And when it comes to internet technology, that's the bay. The bay is the place the world cannot avoid when it comes to the internet.

Funny enough, you missed the one thing about Oregon that is truly indisputably world class culturally, and thats's our beer. Our wine is good, but it's not napa good or australia good or france good. We don't quite have that level of wine culture. We do have that beer culture. Our beer is some of the best on earth.

299 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:15:54pm

re: #289 calochortus

Just a minor point, folks in Sunnyvale can't hop on BART and go anywhere. It doesn't come down the Peninsula any farther than the SF airport.

haha well spotted, I've never actally been on the BART, I drive

300 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:16:18pm

re: #298 WindUpBird

lol and you turn it to beer :P

301 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:16:27pm

Needless panic of the day: I clicked on cnn.com, only to see Stan Lee's face on the main panel.

No! No! Not Stan Lee. I knew he was getting old, but...

False alarm. They were just doing a feature on him.

They shouldn't panic people like that.

302 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:16:58pm

re: #286 reine.de.tout

Hey Reine!

I received my framed art from Windy's brother today. Oh boy, it's beautiful. Cards too.

I think you were interested too? Sorry if I'm just pulling stuff out of the air, but WINDY - REPOST THE WEBSITE, K?

this was my chance..

303 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:17:00pm

re: #298 WindUpBird

Rich to me, sure, but I'm talking about the things that represent America, the things we do best, the things that are world class. The white hot points of light that America can hold up and say "we OWN this, we do it so well. It represents what we can achieve."

Not like, an average of Americans. Not like a "well, our average IQ across the country is this, so we're this." What the best and brightest among us can achieve. And when it comes to internet technology, that's the bay. The bay is the place the world cannot avoid when it comes to the internet.

Funny enough, you missed the one thing about Oregon that is truly indisputably world class culturally, and thats's our beer. Our wine is good, but it's not napa good or australia good or france good. We don't quite have that level of wine culture. We do have that beer culture. Our beer is some of the best on earth.

Well, of course I screwed up.
I'm from a place with a very low IQ.
You'll have to forgive me.

304 What, me worry?  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:17:46pm

re: #274 jaunte

You might enjoy seeing this:
[Link: www.mediaprojects.org...]

Rabbi Cohen. I think this is Alouette's site. I didn't know there was a film tho. Very cool!

305 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:18:07pm

re: #302 Stanley Sea

Hey Reine!

I received my framed art from Windy's brother today. Oh boy, it's beautiful. Cards too.

I think you were interested too? Sorry if I'm just pulling stuff out of the air, but WINDY - REPOST THE WEBSITE, K?

this was my chance..

YES, I'm interested. I'm trying to figure out which one I want. I'm going to pick 2 in case the shipping for 2 together is affordable.

Then I'll call.
But yes, Windy post the site again

306 KingKenrod  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:18:17pm

re: #301 EmmmieG

Needless panic of the day: I clicked on cnn.com, only to see Stan Lee's face on the main panel.

No! No! Not Stan Lee. I knew he was getting old, but...

False alarm. They were just doing a feature on him.

They shouldn't panic people like that.

I did EXACTLY the same thing a few minutes ago.

307 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:18:31pm

re: #297 Nimed

:)
I used to have mixed feelings about Pelosi. Not anymore. Her role in passing HCR after the post-Scott Brown election Great Democratic Panic earned her a place in my heart for eternity.

I LOVE YOU, PELOSI! OOH, YOU'RE SO FINE, MS. SPEAKER MADAM! WITH ALL DUE RESPECT!

With that big assed gavel.

And after Boehner's signature speech "Hell No"

308 Ojoe  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:18:43pm

re: #48 Cato the Elder

Just give up already.

Not going to.

309 calochortus  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:18:54pm

re: #299 WindUpBird

haha well spotted, I've never actally been on the BART, I drive

One thing the Bay Area has in spades is a hodge-podge of public transit systems. The Peninsula has CalTrain which doesn't connect well with BART which doesn't really meet up with AmTrak, and I won't even get into the random and inconvenient bus schedules.

310 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:19:39pm

re: #273 WindUpBird

The crazy hairsplitting meme is that the culture of the boundariest of SF proper are somehow totally distinct from the cuture of SJ and Silicon Valley.

It is. I've lived it for over twenty years. You've admitted you've only seen it as an annual tourist.

Which is ludiicrous and pathetic to try and claim. As someone who goes there every year and knows dozens and dozens of people who work in the valley, it's not true, they're all the same people.

That's what it looks like to you, because you've only seen it for small periods of time, within a self selecting social bubble.

I've lived, worked, and played all over the greater Bay Area, and sometimes the cultural differences are absolutely staggering.

One anecdotal example: I went to see a Slayer show in SF with a good friend. Lots of fun, "pick a brother up" in the mosh pit, lots of comradery in that crowd. Then the same friend and I went to see Slayer in SJ not long after that. I shit you not, I was worried for our safety. Him being "not white", and me being seen as a "race traitor". We didn't even walk out onto the floor, let alone get in the pit.

Sorry Bird, you just don't know what you're talking about here.

311 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:20:17pm

re: #302 Stanley Sea

re: #305 reine.de.tout

YES, I'm interested. I'm trying to figure out which one I want. I'm going to pick 2 in case the shipping for 2 together is affordable.

Then I'll call.
But yes, Windy post the site again

I am easy to please :D

[Link: www.artautistic.com...] (its my name clicky now too)

My mom, by the way would be very easy to cheat, but I would never ever ever ever ever forgive you.

Also stealing from a disabled person is probably the surest way to hell ever :p

312 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:20:19pm

re: #305 reine.de.tout

YES, I'm interested. I'm trying to figure out which one I want. I'm going to pick 2 in case the shipping for 2 together is affordable.

Then I'll call.
But yes, Windy post the site again

I got the sunflowers. Really, it's so cool. Happy day for me when I came home from work. :)

313 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:20:22pm

re: #273 WindUpBird

Basically here's how I see it

Nobody can argue with me that the bay area isn't completely dominant, it's obviously true and beyond dispute. But the conservative tribalism, the pavlovian call and response to viciously hate on SF as a symbol of leftism is strong. So! The crazy hairsplitting meme is that the culture of the boundariest of SF proper are somehow totally distinct from the cuture of SJ and Silicon Valley.

Which is ludiicrous and pathetic to try and claim. As someone who goes there every year and knows dozens and dozens of people who work in the valley, it's not true, they're all the same people. SF is the cultural center, but some people gotta drive to where the server farms are. Even if they spend their evenings at the clubs and the restaurants in the city proper, they suddenly don't count because they had to drive out to Sunnyvale to troubleshoot a down server at their colo?

No. It's not true. You are wrong.

The guys who work at Apple and at Google, they still hop on the BART and go to Death Guild. They don't DJ at Sunnyvale, they DJ in SF. They still eat in the city. They still see shows in the city. They're SF people.

Due too a vote in the early 70s, BART didn't go down the peninsula through San Mateo County. Santa Clara County voted the same way. So they don't hop on the BART train in the valley. Technicality? Kinda - each place is different and sees itself as different. Oracle started in Belmont. That is why it went to Redwood Shores. And that was why Seibel went to San Mateo. In hardware world, hard disks were first called "winchester drives" because they were made near the Mystery house. HP was near Stanford. Intel on the Bayshore. It all has history and meaning. And SF didn't really want to participate until the 90s - before that making money on computers was a bit gauche.

314 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:20:54pm

Totally off the topic post (like off the planet post):

My soccer team played their very second game today. (Woo hoo! We lost again, but that's okay, because they can't hold numbers in their heads very well.)

This one little girl was doing a great drive on goal. She's focused, she dribbling, she lining up the shot...

And I'm yelling, "Taylor! No, Taylor! That's our goal! Go the other way! The other way. Tayy..."

She looks at me and is hopping up and down with delight. "I made a goal! I made a goal!"

Heartbeat. Heartbeat. And I jump up and down. "You made a goal. Yeah!"

Sometimes, you gotta roll with the moment.

315 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:20:55pm

re: #295 reine.de.tout

I don't see anybody hating SF.
I see folks making the case that, well, there are actually good things also going on beyond the borders of SF.

re: #273 WindUpBird

You engage in your own partisanship and "tribalism", and that's the way it is, and I personally enjoy the fact that we're not all the same. For the life of me, I cannot understand why you get so put out that other folks have a different opinion or outlook than yours.

I engage in issues that are important to me. And I am ver passionate about those issues. If Republicans represented those issues, I'd vote for them. Right now Republicans are defaming my sexual orientation and trying to kill the one thing that I consider most important as a voter (health care reform). I'm not politically tribalist because I have no tribe. I vote democrat because I have to, they're the only party who even tries to get in the ballpark of what I want to see out of of my government. I'm not liberal by Kos standards because I can't stand the mindless Bush hate and and the acceptance of goofy health quackery. That's why Huffpo is so cripples, they let than nonsense through. I can't stand liberal talk radio. The only political media I consume is satirical in nature, Phil Hendrie being the best example, and he's a moderate.

If I'm tribalist, I'm tribalist for people who wear silly costumes, so that much is true! But it's not politics that unites me to people. I don;'t care whether a town is "left" or "right". It's a mindless distinction in the compexity of a metropolis, almost pagan in its simplicity.

316 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:21:01pm

re: #311 windsagio

re: #305 reine.de.tout

I am easy to please :D

[Link: www.artautistic.com...] (its my name clicky now too)

My mom, by the way would be very easy to cheat, but I would never ever ever ever ever forgive you.

Also stealing from a disabled person is probably the surest way to hell ever :p

Well, and I would never ever ever cheat anyone. Period. End of that discussion.

317 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:21:12pm

re: #300 windsagio

lol and you turn it to beer :P

Everything leads to beer
YOU KNOW THIS

318 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:21:15pm

re: #311 windsagio

Oh crap, that email doens't work! Let me know when you're ready reine and I'll get you a working address or phone number :D

319 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:21:54pm

re: #315 WindUpBird

You're totally a PDX tribalist, admit it!

320 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:22:04pm

re: #318 windsagio

Oh crap, that email doens't work! Let me know when you're ready reine and I'll get you a working address or phone number :D

OK, I thought the number was on the website? Under the "PUrchases" tab.

321 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:22:08pm

re: #314 EmmmieG

Hooray!

322 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:22:22pm

re: #316 reine.de.tout

I know :D (Butt symbol omitted) just had to say it, ;)

323 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:22:59pm

re: #295 reine.de.tout

I don't see anybody hating SF.
I see folks making the case that, well, there are actually good things also going on beyond the borders of SF.

Not at the moment, but apparently that doesn't stop some from flipping the fuck out over it. Even some that really have no clue.

324 jaunte  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:23:11pm

re: #304 marjoriemoon

Rabbi Cohen. I think this is Alouette's site. I didn't know there was a film tho. Very cool!

I do remember reading that a while back. Some of his good works really pointed up how incredibly primitive we were just 100 years ago:

A people’s lobbyist, he convinced the Texas Legislature to raise the age of consent in rape cases from ten to eighteen, and during three decades on the state prison board he instituted vocational training, parole reforms, and separation of first offenders from seasoned criminals.
325 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:23:31pm

re: #320 reine.de.tout

lol it totally is :D

Her name is "Julie" when you call her :D

(God this stuff makes me excited, I'm totally helping!)

326 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:23:53pm

Lefty whining is whiny.

327 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:23:57pm

re: #314 EmmmieG

Totally off the topic post (like off the planet post):

My soccer team played their very second game today. (Woo hoo! We lost again, but that's okay, because they can't hold numbers in their heads very well.)

This one little girl was doing a great drive on goal. She's focused, she dribbling, she lining up the shot...

And I'm yelling, "Taylor! No, Taylor! That's our goal! Go the other way! The other way. Tayy..."

She looks at me and is hopping up and down with delight. "I made a goal! I made a goal!"

Heartbeat. Heartbeat. And I jump up and down. "You made a goal. Yeah!"

Sometimes, you gotta roll with the moment.

LOL.
Absolutely.

When my daughter was in kindergarten, they played, I guess it was T-ball, they had a small league at her school.

One kid hit the ball, and then ran DIAGONALLY across the field, straight to 2nd base.
LOL.
That age - they don't have a real clue, do they? I loved that age . . .

328 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:24:54pm

re: #326 Cato the Elder

Lefty whining is whiny.

I'm gonna agree this time.
And harsh on everybody else.

329 laZardo  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:25:01pm

re: #315 WindUpBird

I engage in issues that are important to me. And I am ver passionate about those issues. If Republicans represented those issues, I'd vote for them. Right now Republicans are defaming my sexual orientation and trying to kill the one thing that I consider most important as a voter (health care reform). I'm not politically tribalist because I have no tribe. I vote democrat because I have to, they're the only party who even tries to get in the ballpark of what I want to see out of of my government. I'm not liberal by Kos standards because I can't stand the mindless Bush hate and and the acceptance of goofy health quackery. That's why Huffpo is so cripples, they let than nonsense through. I can't stand liberal talk radio. The only political media I consume is satirical in nature, Phil Hendrie being the best example, and he's a moderate.

If I'm tribalist, I'm tribalist for people who wear silly costumes, so that much is true! But it's not politics that unites me to people. I don;'t care whether a town is "left" or "right". It's a mindless distinction in the compexity of a metropolis, almost pagan in its simplicity.

I like to think of myself as "pragprog." The sad fact about most issues today is that all stances have to be explained within the tl;dr 140-character limit of a Tweet.

330 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:25:48pm

re: #326 Cato the Elder

Lefty whining is whiny.

Uh oh wub, you made THE LIST!

331 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:27:01pm

re: #307 Stanley Sea

With that big assed gavel.

And after Boehner's signature speech "Hell No"

RageboehnerTM

332 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:27:14pm

re: #330 windsagio

Uh oh wub, you made THE LIST!

Hell, he's made my list for the evening (I don't remember things long enough to carry over).

I mean, I make a list of all sorts of wonderful things about Oregon, and he, of course, FINDS AND POINTS OUT the ONE thing I missed.

geez.

333 laZardo  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:28:25pm

re: #331 publicityStunted

Uh-huh-huh-huh.

/because it's just doesn't get the same effect to pronounce it BAY-ner.

334 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:28:59pm

I was not pointing at one lefty in particular.

335 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:29:17pm

re: #332 reine.de.tout

lol.

In fairness, the beer's the most important one to him :P

I've gotta say I totally understand where WUB is coming from in all this, but I can't keep track in the details of whats going on.

Kinda started as an inside/outside thing again, I think.

Anyways, we're both going off to sing bad rock covers in a few, then you'll be free!

336 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:29:34pm

re: #287 WindUpBird

Oh I know about the inland empire!

I'm just talking about the bay

North versus South poses some interesting financial & political & water rights challenges. The water rights go a LOOONG way back!

337 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:30:14pm

re: #76 palomino

I'm sure your hero Boehner will fix everything. He's all about infrastructure, right?

"Hero" and "Boehner" in the same sentence. I may upchuck.

(Lived in his district for 14 years, never voted for him)

338 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:30:22pm

re: #336 Floral Giraffe

THose bastards want to steal our water too!

(I kinda wish I could have taken more part here, but hte new MvC3 trailer has me all distracted)

339 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:30:29pm

re: #303 reine.de.tout

Well, of course I screwed up.
I'm from a place with a very low IQ.
You'll have to forgive me.

BS, my dear!

340 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:31:17pm

re: #335 windsagio

lol.

In fairness, the beer's the most important one to him :P

I've gotta say I totally understand where WUB is coming from in all this, but I can't keep track in the details of whats going on.

Kinda started as an inside/outside thing again, I think.

Anyways, we're both going off to sing bad rock covers in a few, then you'll be free!

Should I down-ding you for that... prick?

341 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:31:34pm

re: #334 Cato the Elder

I was not pointing at one lefty in particular.

Oh.
I was.

342 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:31:54pm

re: #332 reine.de.tout

Hell, he's made my list for the evening (I don't remember things long enough to carry over).

I mean, I make a list of all sorts of wonderful things about Oregon, and he, of course, FINDS AND POINTS OUT the ONE thing I missed.

geez.

Well, I appreciated your list, mostly because I don't know where the beer is good anywhere.

I drive past Genentech and Intel every day, on my way out to the you-pick berry fields.

However, I hate salmon. I know this very, very well, because my grandfather's hobby was deep-sea salmon fishing.

343 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:32:25pm

re: #341 reine.de.tout

It's late night, so he's probably onto his third glass of sherry, and throwing out lines to see what he catches.

344 Kragar  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:32:35pm

To lighten the evening, because I'm too tired to be pissed right now

345 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:32:42pm

re: #334 Cato the Elder

While you're here, and just for curiousity's sake - what's the correct German way to pronounce "Boehner"? I remember reading somewhere that it's like saying the "ay" sound while pursing your lips as if to say "oo"

346 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:32:43pm

re: #339 Floral Giraffe

BS, my dear!

LOL.
{FLO}
I know it is.
I know perzackly how smart I am, and also and more importantly, actually, I know perzackly how smart I ain't.

347 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:32:47pm

re: #340 Mr Pancakes

Abso-freaking-lutely!

348 laZardo  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:33:27pm

re: #337 ClaudeMonet

"Hero" and "Boehner" in the same sentence. I may upchuck.

I snickered.

349 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:34:02pm

re: #347 windsagio

Abso-freaking-lutely!

Sorry I had to say that... you and WUB have a short fuse it seems.

350 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:34:14pm

re: #345 publicityStunted

While you're here, and just for curiousity's sake - what's the correct German way to pronounce "Boehner"? I remember reading somewhere that it's like saying the "ay" sound while pursing your lips as if to say "oo"

That's about it.

351 austin_blue  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:34:37pm

Umm..okay...as a PG I can only add this:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Two billion years old.

Deal with it, young earthers.

352 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:34:43pm

re: #349 Mr Pancakes

Sorry I had to say that... you and WUB have a short fuse it seems.

It's the whole "tribe" thing, with them.
Besides which, WUB is Windy's invisible friend, and vice-versa.
*snicker*

353 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:35:22pm

re: #349 Mr Pancakes

It's less a short fuse more 'waves'. For each of us the amount of frustration about the way things are here has peaks and valleys, and at different times. He's just at his peak today.

354 deranged cat  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:35:41pm

gotta love that when i want up-to-the-minute news, i go to the latest comment thread on LGF :)

thanks everyone for commenting about the San Bruno explosion!

355 calochortus  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:35:45pm

'night, all.

356 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:35:54pm

re: #352 reine.de.tout

Sock. We're socks of each other.

357 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:36:12pm

re: #339 Floral Giraffe

re: #303 reine.de.tout
Well, of course I screwed up.
I'm from a place with a very low IQ.
You'll have to forgive me.

BS, my dear!

Of course...everyone knows it's only David Vitter dragging the average down anyway... ;)

358 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:36:23pm

Alrighty - good night everyone, have a good evening.
re: #356 windsagio

Sock. We're socks of each other.

I knew it!

359 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:36:34pm

re: #352 reine.de.tout

Tribalists hate other tribalists? Who knew?
/

360 reine.de.tout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:38:14pm

re: #357 publicityStunted

Of course...everyone knows it's only David Vitter dragging the average down anyway... ;)

Aw, geez.
I see Vitter signs everywhere.
Depressing.

Now, really, I'm gone.

361 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:38:20pm

re: #352 reine.de.tout

It's the whole "tribe" thing, with them.
Besides which, WUB is Windy's invisible friend, and vice-versa.
*snicker*

No kidding... if you say something they don't agree with it's like tag-team down-ding fury!

362 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:39:59pm

re: #361 Mr Pancakes

we think alike to some degree :p In fairness I - a ton of stuff he doesn't >>

363 Gus  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:40:20pm

Good night.

364 Nimed  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:40:42pm

Does anybody fell that, for the last 3 weeks or so, comment threads have been full of petty and easily avoidable quarrels?

365 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:41:09pm

re: #364 Nimed

Does anybody fell that, for the last 3 weeks or so, comment threads have been full of petty and easily avoidable quarrels?

*Whack*

Shaddup you!

366 Nimed  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:41:10pm

re: #364 Nimed

Not that there's anything wrong with it...

367 Kragar  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:41:19pm

Remo Williams on netflix, I have something to be happy about now.

368 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:41:51pm

re: #364 Nimed

Does anybody fell that, for the last 3 weeks or so, comment threads have been full of petty and easily avoidable quarrels?

Its always like that, tho'. Not particularly worse the last few weeks.

369 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:42:16pm

re: #361 Mr Pancakes

Nothing new. Kinda petty, really.

I've put my downdinger on a much tighter leash lately. Not saying that makes me a better person. I've just come to the point where I prefer to "accentuate the positive", so to speak.

370 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:42:31pm

re: #362 windsagio

we think alike to some degree :p In fairness I - a ton of stuff he doesn't >>

I know man... that's cool... I can't remember ever down-dinging either one of you ever... even though I find you annoying windy.

371 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:42:54pm

re: #352 reine.de.tout

It's the whole "tribe" thing, with them.
Besides which, WUB is Windy's invisible friend, and vice-versa.
*snicker*

Eh, I don't get that worked up over partisanship. I view as simply the way things work. In order to accomplish things you need a party. And supporting it sometimes requires partisanship.

372 Interesting Times  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:42:58pm

re: #350 Cato the Elder

That's about it.

Cool, tried it just now, and all I basically achieve is a weird cross between "Booner" and "Buhner"

/which may wind up sounding even worse, come to think of it...

373 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:43:02pm

re: #370 Mr Pancakes

It's a tool meant to be used!

374 Kragar  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:43:28pm

re: #373 windsagio

It's a tool meant to be used!

Thats what she said.

375 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:44:04pm

re: #310 Slumbering Behemoth

It is. I've lived it for over twenty years. You've admitted you've only seen it as an annual tourist.

That's what it looks like to you, because you've only seen it for small periods of time, within a self selecting social bubble.

I've lived, worked, and played all over the greater Bay Area, and sometimes the cultural differences are absolutely staggering.

One anecdotal example: I went to see a Slayer show in SF with a good friend. Lots of fun, "pick a brother up" in the mosh pit, lots of comradery in that crowd. Then the same friend and I went to see Slayer in SJ not long after that. I shit you not, I was worried for our safety. Him being "not white", and me being seen as a "race traitor". We didn't even walk out onto the floor, let alone get in the pit.

Sorry Bird, you just don't know what you're talking about here.

So I guess you know more about my own friends than I do

I guess my friends are just totally lying when they talk about their experiences

I think YOU have your experiences, and my friends have their experiences, and those are wildly different animals, I think. Guys I know that run the IT departments of big companies in SV, you think they just STAY IN SV all the time? Are you nuts? They're burners, man? They are part of the SF scene, they're not suburbanites, they're the brain trust of the companies they work for. That is the point I was making, and now it's become a pissing match about who knows the area better, which is totally not the point.

For someone who knows SF so well, you seem to really be fine when people dis it. Whereas I notice SFZ, much less fine. Clearly I am a tourist, I don't live there, but I also know when blind tribalism is taking hold and the monolithic hate-on for San Francisco crests, and it was cresting tonight. Oh how it was.

See, taking it to my town: The cultural differences between Vancouver and Portland are large. The cultural difference between Hillsboro and Portland are larger. Same with Tualitin, same with Forest Grove.

You know what? They're all still suburbs of Portland. They're still all commuting distance. I still call them part of Portland. There's still massive crosspollination between bands who play in Portland but whose practice spaces are in Beaverton. Are they not Portland because their gear is in a garage two miles outside of city limits? Or because they bought a house in the couv because that's what they could afford?

So we're basically having ourselves a real silly semantic spat, which came about because people here really want the right to slam on SF now and forevere for blind ridicullous partisan reasons

And the last straw tonight was tradewind making a dick joke about that fire directly after a poster here was worried for his friends in the area

There's some real shitbags here, man. I wish you could call them out instead of being one of the wagons circling around them.

376 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:44:12pm

re: #361 Mr Pancakes

No kidding... if you say something they don't agree with it's like tag-team down-ding fury!

Furry fury is funny.

377 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:44:21pm

re: #373 windsagio

It's a tool meant to be used!

Hammers are tools made to be used. I just don't use them to smash other peoples fingers. Just sayin'.

378 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:44:22pm

re: #373 windsagio

It's a tool meant to be used!

Nah... I'll up-ding ya though... and I have tonight.

379 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:44:49pm

Also, if I want to squabble with people, I'll go on facebook and start correcting my little sisters' grammar.

(Honestly, people, sentences start with a capital and end with a period.)

380 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:45:24pm

re: #375 WindUpBird

So I guess you know more about my own friends than I do

I guess my friends are just totally lying when they talk about their experiences

I think YOU have your experiences, and my friends have their experiences, and those are wildly different animals, I think. Guys I know that run the IT departments of big companies in SV, you think they just STAY IN SV all the time? Are you nuts? They're burners, man? They are part of the SF scene, they're not suburbanites, they're the brain trust of the companies they work for. That is the point I was making, and now it's become a pissing match about who knows the area better, which is totally not the point.

For someone who knows SF so well, you seem to really be fine when people dis it. Whereas I notice SFZ, much less fine. Clearly I am a tourist, I don't live there, but I also know when blind tribalism is taking hold and the monolithic hate-on for San Francisco crests, and it was cresting tonight. Oh how it was.

See, taking it to my town: The cultural differences between Vancouver and Portland are large. The cultural difference between Hillsboro and Portland are larger. Same with Tualitin, same with Forest Grove.

You know what? They're all still suburbs of Portland. They're still all commuting distance. I still call them part of Portland. There's still massive crosspollination between bands who play in Portland but whose practice spaces are in Beaverton. Are they not Portland because their gear is in a garage two miles outside of city limits? Or because they bought a house in the couv because that's what they could afford?

So we're basically having ourselves a real silly semantic spat, which came about because people here really want the right to slam on SF now and forevere for blind ridicullous partisan reasons

And the last straw tonight was tradewind making a dick joke about that fire directly after a poster here was worried for his friends in the area

There's some real shitbags here, man. I wish you could call them out instead of being one of the wagons circling around them.

I would have read that whole thing if it wasn't so long.

381 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:45:50pm

re: #330 windsagio

Uh oh wub, you made THE LIST!


yeah, it's a real damn shame

382 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:46:06pm

re: #375 WindUpBird

OK time to get ready for karaoke.

WUB, if you see this. SS wants me to sing Betterman, but I think I"m gonna try to make you do it, don't think I can pull a Vetter >>

383 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:46:37pm

re: #363 Gus 802

Sleep tight!

384 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:46:41pm

re: #375 WindUpBird

You said, "the couv."

We didn't call it that when I grew up there.

(When my husband told me he had a job interview in Hillsboro, I said, "I think I've been lost there once...")

385 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:47:08pm

re: #379 EmmmieG

Also, if I want to squabble with people, I'll go on facebook and start correcting my little sisters' grammar.

(Honestly, people, sentences start with a capital and end with a period.)

I don't care, sorry

This blog's comments move too fast for me to be all prissy with my grammar, I have nothing to prove to anyone, if you want better grammar, read the one LGF page I put up

386 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:47:45pm

re: #380 Mr Pancakes

I would have read that whole thing if it wasn't so long.

That's just petty. Throwing out a snipe like that is just going to garner a hostile reaction. Why do it?

387 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:47:48pm

re: #382 windsagio

OK time to get ready for karaoke.

WUB, if you see this. SS wants me to sing Betterman, but I think I"m gonna try to make you do it, don't think I can pull a Vetter >>

Can you sing? If so, sing Comfortably Numb... and report back.

388 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:47:50pm

Night all.
Have a great weekend.
Whack many trolls.

389 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:48:14pm

re: #385 WindUpBird

I don't care, sorry

This blog's comments move too fast for me to be all prissy with my grammar, I have nothing to prove to anyone, if you want better grammar, read the one LGF page I put up

I'm not picking on you.

I was picking on baby sister. Because I can. Because I changed her diapers.

And they were cloth.

She owes me.

390 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:48:21pm

re: #384 EmmmieG

You said, "the couv."

We didn't call it that when I grew up there.

(When my husband told me he had a job interview in Hillsboro, I said, "I think I've been lost there once...")

I call it that because the Rick Emerson Show calls it that, to distinguish it from Vancouver BC. :D

391 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:48:47pm

re: #390 WindUpBird

I call it that because the Rick Emerson Show calls it that, to distinguish it from Vancouver BC. :D

It works. I think it's just a generational thing.

392 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:48:58pm

re: #380 Mr Pancakes

I would have read that whole thing if it wasn't so long.

the correct term is tl:dr

393 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:49:26pm

re: #386 Dark_Falcon

That's just petty. Throwing out a snipe like that is just going to garner a hostile reaction. Why do it?

That wasn't personal... that was wine induced laziness... dude, try not to over analyze.

394 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:49:56pm

re: #379 EmmmieG

Also, if I want to squabble with people, I'll go on facebook and start correcting my little sisters' grammar.

(honestly, people, sentences start with a capital and end with a period)


/FTFY

395 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:50:03pm

re: #389 EmmmieG

I'm not picking on you.

I was picking on baby sister. Because I can. Because I changed her diapers.

And they were cloth.

She owes me.

hahah it's cool!

it also helps that I'm typing in a dark room, and so it's a pain to go back and correct things, hence the occasional typos for long posts

396 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:50:12pm

re: #375 WindUpBird

I wish I had more than one upding to give!

397 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:50:33pm

re: #382 windsagio

OK time to get ready for karaoke.

WUB, if you see this. SS wants me to sing Betterman, but I think I"m gonna try to make you do it, don't think I can pull a Vetter >>

oh man I don't know that one that well :(

398 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:51:08pm

re: #392 WindUpBird

the correct term is tl:dr

Again see my 393... I'll read it tamale.

399 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:51:18pm

re: #140 laZardo

San Jose.

I love San Francisco, but have you ever noticed how the people there take credit for everything in the Bay Area as if it happened in The City while simultaneously acting as if everyone in Oakland, San Jose, Fremont, etc., is a rube?

That said--The socons pick on San Francisco because (a) there's no votes there for them to lose, and (b) it's raw meat for the base. The Rabid Right used to rail against "that ol' debbil Noo Yawk", but that meme has been gone since 9/11, so their former #2 is now #1, the latter-day Sodom and Gomorrah.

400 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:51:28pm

I don't understand how people can regard Pelosi as not being partisan.

I, for one, expect her to be. And she is quite good at it. For instance, back in 2008 she was Speaker, Bush was the president and there was an election going on. Oil prices were skyrocketing and about 70% of Americans wanted more off shore drilling.

Pelosi steadfastly refused to allow the issue to come up and said she would simply not allow the issue to come up.

Now we have Republicans obstructing Democratic initiatives and they will be more likely to be able to do so after the fall.

Why do people somehow consider that obstructionism is something only "the other" side does? It is politics. Most of these issues have little ideological or moral content. Yet they are packaged and sold to us as if they do.

I happen to be a believer in divided government. They all get the joy of obstructing each other that way and get to go on TV and blame each other ad infinatum. Meanwhile there is a greater chance I will be left alone.

401 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:51:46pm

And when I mean cloth, I mean the old fashioned type. None of this modern velcro close easy use stuff. Oh, no, and no service, either.

You folded them, then you stuck the pins in the soap to make them go in easy, and made sure you didn't stick the kid unless you wanted to feel guilty forever.

Afterward? You had to dunk the things in the toilet and flush two or three times before you threw it in the diaper pail, which had no filters, no special little plastic baggies to close off the diapers, and they rotted until they were washed on hottest hot with bleach.

So there.

402 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:52:06pm

re: #394 Killgore Trout

Hey! How are the frogs?

403 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:52:25pm

re: #396 Floral Giraffe

I wish I had more than one upding to give!

I'm just going by what my friends tell me, they're sort of my ambassadors to San Francisco.

Which may be why I'm so defensive of the town, because they're the awesome people who floor me with their graciousness and their skills and they show me all this amazing stuff there, I just don't understand the hostility

404 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:52:39pm

re: #397 WindUpBird

oh man I don't know that one that well :(

Bird. You must. It's an easy one.

405 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:52:39pm

Not that I'm bitter.

406 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:53:19pm

Evening, all.

407 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:53:41pm

re: #404 Stanley Sea

Bird. You must. It's an easy one.

It is an easy one, i could probably give it a whirl

I'm all about Evenflow, though

408 laZardo  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:53:58pm

re: #399 ClaudeMonet

I love San Francisco, but have you ever noticed how the people there take credit for everything in the Bay Area as if it happened in The City while simultaneously acting as if everyone in Oakland, San Jose, Fremont, etc., is a rube?

That said--The socons pick on San Francisco because (a) there's no votes there for them to lose, and (b) it's raw meat for the base. The Rabid Right used to rail against "that ol' debbil Noo Yawk", but that meme has been gone since 9/11, so their former #2 is now #1, the latter-day Sodom and Gomorrah.

Which brings me to an interesting theological question:

If the Sodomites were destroyed for what became known as sodomy, then what did Gomorrah do that was so unmentionably bad that they don't even have a word for it?

409 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:54:01pm

re: #393 Mr Pancakes

That wasn't personal... that was wine induced laziness... dude, try not to over analyze.

Sorry. Second time that's happened today.

410 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:54:18pm

I was at shul all day, but my father was busily monitoring all of Pastor Jones' activities during the day.

Also, my mother hopes that Blanche of Castile is really POed that she was reincarnated as an incoherent Protestant preacher at a small crazy church.

411 Residence: Hopeandchangeistan 2012  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:54:53pm

re: #407 WindUpBird

It is an easy one, i could probably give it a whirl

I'm all about Evenflow, though

Well, that's good too.

I've just heard some folks do better man, and the arrrgh is to die for.

do it. record it. report back.

por favor?

412 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:54:55pm

re: #409 Dark_Falcon

Sorry. Second time that's happened today.

No problem man...

413 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:55:29pm

re: #402 Floral Giraffe

Hey! How are the frogs?

I'm not sure. I haven't had a frog sighting for about two weeks. We've had some rain and I can hear them singing a bit but can't seem to find them.

414 jaunte  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:55:41pm

re: #408 laZardo

I think they invented "New Slurm."

415 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:56:18pm

re: #408 laZardo

Which brings me to an interesting theological question:

If the Sodomites were destroyed for what became known as sodomy, then what did Gomorrah do that was so unmentionably bad that they don't even have a word for it?

You've never heard of, er, gomorring?

According to the Jewish tradition, Sodom, or S'dom, or Sedom was destroyed because the people lacked charity, and sought to destroy the poor.

The wanting-to-rape-people's-houseguests thing (which turns up again thematically in Judges), was just a sideline.

416 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:56:46pm

re: #118 Jaerik

At this point, I think the prevailing mood of the country is helplessness and confusion. Tax cuts didn't work. Spending didn't work. There is no magic bullet. We're in a period of great economic fear and uncertainty, in the grips of complex forces beyond our control, and nobody seems to have the answers. We don't even have an obvious villain to blame.

So we start making @*#$ up. We cling to conspiracy theories that wrap inherent complexity in an easily understood package with a clear antagonist. We embrace simple, wholesome fictions of bygone virtue, escape to them in our own heads, and encourage others to join us there. Anything to simultaneously identify a malevolent force behind our predicament, and help us purge our guilty sense of collective complicity by establishing stark lines of delineation between Us and Them.

Basic logic and internal consistency be damned.

Wow. I don't think I've seen anyone put it as well.

Some time ago, I reached the conclusion that the media, mainstream or not, needs to have conflict and someone to blame. If they can have conflict ABOUT who's to blame, all the better. It sells stuff and influences people. People like myself and many others, who are of the "pray for rain but keep on hoeing" persuasion, are nothing to them because there's no conflict.

This doesn't mean the media are in any way to blame for the current situations. However, they thrive on things that most would consider negative--conflict, chaos, death, destruction, misery. Therefore, rather than just report, they seek to increase them.

417 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:58:12pm

re: #403 WindUpBird

I'm just going by what my friends tell me, they're sort of my ambassadors to San Francisco.

Which may be why I'm so defensive of the town, because they're the awesome people who floor me with their graciousness and their skills and they show me all this amazing stuff there, I just don't understand the hostility

You should be defensive... San Fransisco is wacky.

/

418 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 9:59:30pm

re: #375 WindUpBird

So I guess you know more about my own friends than I do

Strawman.

I guess my friends are just totally lying when they talk about their experiences

Strawman.

I think YOU have your experiences, and my friends have their experiences, and those are wildly different animals, I think. Guys I know that run the IT departments of big companies in SV, you think they just STAY IN SV all the time? Are you nuts? They're burners, man? They are part of the SF scene, they're not suburbanites, they're the brain trust of the companies they work for. That is the point I was making, and now it's become a pissing match about who knows the area better, which is totally not the point.

Lots of strawmen. Besides, you were painting the Bay Area as a singular, homogeneous culture. And that is the precise point where I was disagreeing with you.

For someone who knows SF so well, you seem to really be fine when people dis it.

You know that is not true. Now you are putting words in my mouth, and lying about me. Fuck you, dude.

Whereas I notice SFZ, much less fine. Clearly I am a tourist, I don't live there, but I also know when blind tribalism is taking hold and the monolithic hate-on for San Francisco crests, and it was cresting tonight. Oh how it was.

I am not a part of that hate-on, and as stated above, another fuck you for insinuating I am.

See, taking it to my town: The cultural differences between Vancouver and Portland are large. The cultural difference between Hillsboro and Portland are larger. Same with Tualitin, same with Forest Grove.

Yet you can't seem to comprehend the same regarding the greater Bay Area.

You know what? They're all still suburbs of Portland. They're still all commuting distance. I still call them part of Portland. There's still massive crosspollination between bands who play in Portland but whose practice spaces are in Beaverton. Are they not Portland because their gear is in a garage two miles outside of city limits? Or because they bought a house in the couv because that's what they could afford?

I won't presume to tell you about Portland and surrounding areas, as I have only visited there and not lived there. I have only seen it through the lenses of the friends I've visited. Sound familar?

So we're basically having ourselves a real silly semantic spat, which came about because people here really want the right to slam on SF now and forevere for blind ridicullous partisan reasons

That was never a part of what I was discussing with you here tonight. The fact is that you have little to no idea about the cultural differences that exist in the Bay Area, and you have proven so by lumping it in with SF.

And the last straw tonight was tradewind making a dick joke about that fire directly after a poster here was worried for his friends in the area

That was the first straw, and you can take that up with her. That bullshit was never part of my argument.

There's some real shitbags here, man. I wish you could call them out instead of being one of the wagons circling around them.

Often times you behave like one. And circling the wagons around them? Fuck you again. Show me where I have done that. And don't make vague implications like you normally do, fucking quote me.

419 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:00:38pm

re: #413 Killgore Trout

Hearing them is good!

420 Dancing along the light of day  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:01:31pm

OK, good night for real, now.
Be well, all.

421 jaunte  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:02:36pm

Any Bay Area O negatives in the thread?

Blood Centers of the Pacific issued an emergency appeal for blood donations, particularly of Type O negative, to replenish the supply currently being depleted by those injured in Thursday's explosion and fire in San Bruno.
[Link: www.news10.net...]
422 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:02:44pm

re: #420 Floral Giraffe

OK, good night for real, now.
Be well, all.

Sleep well, FG.

423 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:02:48pm

re: #392 WindUpBird

the correct term is tl:dr

"Correct"? Funny coming from you.

424 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:04:12pm

re: #421 jaunte

Any Bay Area O negatives in the thread?

This blood donor urges you to give.

(I'm ineligible until early October.)

425 Mr Pancakes  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:05:10pm

SB just hammered you WUB... just sayin'.

426 freetoken  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:05:45pm

Since this is a science thread (well, sort of...), it should be noted that Nature Magazine published today an editorial about the anti-science stance of the American right wing:

Science scorned

“The four corners of deceit: government, academia, science and media. Those institutions are now corrupt and exist by virtue of deceit. That's how they promulgate themselves; it is how they prosper.” It is tempting to laugh off this and other rhetoric broadcast by Rush Limbaugh, a conservative US radio host, but Limbaugh and similar voices are no laughing matter.

There is a growing anti-science streak on the American right that could have tangible societal and political impacts on many fronts — including regulation of environmental and other issues and stem-cell research. Take the surprise ousting last week of Lisa Murkowski, the incumbent Republican senator for Alaska, by political unknown Joe Miller in the Republican primary for the 2 November midterm congressional elections. Miller, who is backed by the conservative 'Tea Party movement', called his opponent's acknowledgement of the reality of global warming “exhibit 'A' for why she needs to go”.

The right-wing populism that is flourishing in the current climate of economic insecurity echoes many traditional conservative themes, such as opposition to taxes, regulation and immigration. But the Tea Party and its cheerleaders, who include Limbaugh, Fox News television host Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin (who famously decried fruitfly research as a waste of public money), are also tapping an age-old US political impulse — a suspicion of elites and expertise.

Denialism over global warming has become a scientific cause célèbre within the movement. Limbaugh, for instance, who has told his listeners that “science has become a home for displaced socialists and communists”, has called climate-change science “the biggest scam in the history of the world”. The Tea Party's leanings encompass religious opposition to Darwinian evolution and to stem-cell and embryo research — which Beck has equated with eugenics. The movement is also averse to science-based regulation, which it sees as an excuse for intrusive government. Under the administration of George W. Bush, science in policy had already taken knocks from both neglect and ideology. Yet President Barack Obama's promise to “restore science to its rightful place” seems to have linked science to liberal politics, making it even more of a target of the right.

[...]

The comments there are pretty much what one would expect.

The article didn't even touch on creationism, which is the hallmark of anti-science attitudes of the right wing.

427 windsagio  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:06:14pm

re: #425 Mr Pancakes

He's probably out the door by now, bastard doesn't know how to sya 'goodbye'.

I'm just stoppin' by after my shower while I put my shoes on :D

428 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:06:36pm

A few years ago my secularly raised apathetic agnostic husband decides to read the Bible. He gets swimmingly through creation, Noah, etc., being fairly familiar with the stories from pop culture, and having read extensively in other creation mythologies.

Then he hits Abraham. A few days into his project, he comes into the living room with Bible in hand, and demands to know how many times this guy thinks he can get away with saying his wife is his sister. "Once," he insists, "once is a plot twist. But this is getting ridiculous."

429 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:07:34pm

re: #428 SanFranciscoZionist

A few years ago my secularly raised apathetic agnostic husband decides to read the Bible. He gets swimmingly through creation, Noah, etc., being fairly familiar with the stories from pop culture, and having read extensively in other creation mythologies.

Then he hits Abraham. A few days into his project, he comes into the living room with Bible in hand, and demands to know how many times this guy thinks he can get away with saying his wife is his sister. "Once," he insists, "once is a plot twist. But this is getting ridiculous."

Without looking it up, Isaac turned around and did it again, right?

430 Killgore Trout  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:07:38pm
Letting go is the lesson. Letting go is always the lesson. Have you ever noticed how much of our agony is all tied up with craving and loss?


The Knitting Sutra
/Namaste, y'all

431 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:08:11pm

I really need to go to bed. Four hyperactive boys to deal with tomorrow.

Play nice.

432 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:09:15pm

Last post: Yeah, Genesis 26:9.

433 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:09:49pm

re: #427 windsagio

He's probably out the door by now, bastard doesn't know how to sya 'goodbye'.

Neither do I, which is why I try to never pull the "Ha ha, you lose because you slinked away without comment".

For the record, I've not seen The Bird do that either. Just sayin'.

434 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:10:00pm

re: #399 ClaudeMonet

I love San Francisco, but have you ever noticed how the people there take credit for everything in the Bay Area as if it happened in The City while simultaneously acting as if everyone in Oakland, San Jose, Fremont, etc., is a rube?

That said--The socons pick on San Francisco because (a) there's no votes there for them to lose, and (b) it's raw meat for the base. The Rabid Right used to rail against "that ol' debbil Noo Yawk", but that meme has been gone since 9/11, so their former #2 is now #1, the latter-day Sodom and Gomorrah.

So right.

I was talking to my buddy from there over the weekend about the Senate election. He said Fiorina would never do well in the Bay Area because of her HP story and wondered how she got nominated. I pointed out that the SF Bay Area gets no real say because there are so few Republicans. So Republicans can run a candidate that the Bay Area absolutely hates and it doesn't matter much because it isn't like they'd get any votes there anyway. Even when a republican wins a statewide race they will lose the Bay Area (Schwarzenegger won the state 56% to 39% in 2006 but still lost San Mateo, Alameda, San Francisco, Marin and Santa Cruz counties).

It is a real problem. The hyper-partisanship coupled with gerrymandering creates a very narrow, parochial political culture. And it then starves any centrist candidate from either side of an oxygen supply.

435 SanFranciscoZionist  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:11:58pm

re: #429 EmmmieG

Without looking it up, Isaac turned around and did it again, right?

Yes. Three separate stories, although Abraham and Isaac both do it to a king named 'Abimelech', which leads to all sorts of textual questions.

436 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:14:37pm

re: #430 Killgore Trout

You shame me, sensei. Yet I still have a major problem with mouth-stuffers and goal-post movers. It is the weakness in my armor.

437 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:16:45pm

re: #426 freetoken

Since this is a science thread (well, sort of...), it should be noted that Nature Magazine published today an editorial about the anti-science stance of the American right wing:

Science scorned

The comments there are pretty much what one would expect.

The article didn't even touch on creationism, which is the hallmark of anti-science attitudes of the right wing.

Part of me hopes for a Palin/Santorum ticket so that the SoCons can be identifiably fenced off into their own religious party and a new social libertarian / fiscal conservative one can supplant the republican party. A sort of "blaze of glory" / "phoenix from the ashes" theory.

438 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:22:04pm

re: #434 karmic_inquisitor

So right.

I was talking to my buddy from there over the weekend about the Senate election. He said Fiorina would never do well in the Bay Area because of her HP story and wondered how she got nominated. I pointed out that the SF Bay Area gets no real say because there are so few Republicans. So Republicans can run a candidate that the Bay Area absolutely hates and it doesn't matter much because it isn't like they'd get any votes there anyway. Even when a republican wins a statewide race they will lose the Bay Area (Schwarzenegger won the state 56% to 39% in 2006 but still lost San Mateo, Alameda, San Francisco, Marin and Santa Cruz counties).

It is a real problem. The hyper-partisanship coupled with gerrymandering creates a very narrow, parochial political culture. And it then starves any centrist candidate from either side of an oxygen supply.

It's a closed circle. I doubt anything will change because gerrymandering works so well for the political class. They get safe seats and the lobbyists get the chance to develop long-term relationships with legislators they know will stay in power for many years.

439 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:23:54pm

re: #437 karmic_inquisitor

Part of me hopes for a Palin/Santorum ticket so that the SoCons can be identifiably fenced off into their own religious party and a new social libertarian / fiscal conservative one can supplant the republican party. A sort of "blaze of glory" / "phoenix from the ashes" theory.

Won't work. Without the socons, fiscal conservatives would be a permanent minority. Even if we don't always like them, we need them.

440 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:24:51pm

re: #131 cliffster

Google says AIDS = JEWS??

I went to Google Translate and, sure enough...

Why were you trying to translate AIDS from English to Yiddish? Just curious.

re: #206 laZardo

Or perhaps when we do find the question to life, the universe and everything, the whole problem will be replaced by something even harder to question and answer.

We already know the answer to the question of life, the universe, and everything. It is 42.

re: #234 HappyWarrior

Ooh a kid campaigning for the Republican candidate asked me how I felt about her last Friday. Didn't really talk politics with him though since I was in a hurry to get to Spanish but it was funny stuff since he thought I was Czech due to wearing a Prague T-shirt.

I've been to Prague. Prague, Oklahoma, that is. There is a big Czech festival in Oklahoma each year, but it's not held in Prague, but in Yukon, about 15 miles west of Okie City. Great fun, especially by the standards of existence in Oklahoma.

441 Fozzie Bear  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:29:39pm

re: #131 cliffster

Google says AIDS = JEWS??

I went to Google Translate and, sure enough...

Um... no...

I *JUST* used google translate to translate AIDS to Hebrew, then copy/pasted from Hebrew back to English, and got AIDS again. Whatever you are smoking, I want some.

Not only that, but in that picture is depicted a layout that is totally different from what google translate has looked like for awhile.

442 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:31:52pm

re: #439 Dark_Falcon

Won't work. Without the socons, fiscal conservatives would be a permanent minority. Even if we don't always like them, we need them.

Events have reached the point where fiscal conservatives who are not socons must ask themselves how much true stupidity they can stand. Many I know have deserted the Republicans and become thorns in the side of the Democrats instead. In the words of one of them, "The Democrats listen before they ignore what I'm saying. The Republicans don't even listen."

"We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark. The real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light."—Plato

443 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:34:10pm

re: #439 Dark_Falcon

Won't work. Without the socons, fiscal conservatives would be a permanent minority. Even if we don't always like them, we need them.

I think there are many folks voting blue that aren't signed up for a Keynesian multi-generational redux. But they just can't buy into the exclusionary politics of the soCons. Progressives seem to interpret the last election as a transformation of US political tastes that instantly transported the whole country from Omaha, Nebraska to Paris, France. I've worked in France. I don't know many of my friends who are Democrats who could live and work under that for more than a month. We are a free wheeling, curious country that gets off on things moving forward. Socially. Economically.

The SoCons are a relatively new force in US politics. The last time they had full power they got prohibition passed. we still have many of their blue laws lying around.

444 laZardo  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:38:32pm

re: #440 ClaudeMonet

Of course we know the answer. It's just impossible to know the question.

445 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:38:57pm

The contention here, that the Grand Canyon was formed by a rain-fed flood in just 40 days, is mind-numblingly stupid and dishonest.

I ran the numbers on this claim a few years ago: Literally all the water in the world, falling in a continuous column under the influence of gravity alone from usual precipitation altitudes, would not be enough to erode away a mile or more of solid rock in 40 days even over a small area, let alone along a channel hundreds of miles long. It isn't even a ten thousandth of what would be required. If we accelerated the water somehow to a velocity that would do this (@mach 4, btw) the heat released would melt the crust into a glass layer for several hundred miles in every direction from the impact area, super-heated steam would cover the Earth destroying all life including Noah and associates, and the displaced material would splash outward in a vast fan that would cover most of southern California.
It is frankly too ridiculous for words, which I suspect is why reputable geologists are reluctant to engage these quacks.

I suspect that YE creationism is what I call a naked emperor movement: It is possible that literally nobody involved, certainly nobody in the leadership, actually believes their non-sense. They just derive some infantile gratification out of pretending they do: "nyah! nyah! you can't make me admit you're smart!." At the same time, each and every one of them probably thinks the others are serious.

446 laZardo  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:41:30pm

re: #443 karmic_inquisitor

The SoCons are a relatively new force in US politics. The last time they had full power they got prohibition passed. we still have many of their blue laws lying around.

First thing that comes to mind when I hear the words "Dry County:"

447 laZardo  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:43:31pm

re: #443 karmic_inquisitor

Or perhaps it's because the ostensible Democrat political alignment is essentially the equivalent of the general Conservative parties in Europe.

Given that America has 50 states to try to 'bring forward' compared to the EU's 20-ish, that's what the reality has produced.

448 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:43:50pm

re: #446 laZardo

First thing that comes to mind when I hear the words "Dry County:"


[Video]

What?

449 Cato the Elder  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:44:31pm

Palin/Beck 2012: "Venality Is Our Morality!"

450 Dark_Falcon  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:52:52pm

I can't stay, I have to go to bed. Sleep well, all.

451 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:52:55pm

re: #445 Shiplord Kirel

Yeah, but God did it. So there!
/

452 laZardo  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 10:53:20pm

re: #450 Dark_Falcon

Nitey.

453 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 11:00:31pm

re: #449 Cato the Elder

I don't care about the horrible things people have said about you (most notably the horrible things I've said). That right there is a winner. Well done.

454 karmic_inquisitor  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 11:00:33pm

re: #447 laZardo

Or perhaps it's because the ostensible Democrat political alignment is essentially the equivalent of the general Conservative parties in Europe.

Given that America has 50 states to try to 'bring forward' compared to the EU's 20-ish, that's what the reality has produced.

Not sure we are in sync there. There are a lot of notions common in Europe that many here would find pretty retrograde. Get to know some Europeans and you will meet some old time racists. The forced expulsion of "Roma" (Gypsies) to Romania is a very recent example. France and Italy have been caught doing it but others have too. It is quite popular with voters too. Even though Romania is an EU member and her citizens have the right to move among member states freely - even to simply look for work.

On the economic side, the business environment is very much about cozy capitalism. You have many businesses that get state contracts to keep them busy who then employ subcontractors who are friends of an official so as to make everything cozy. I remember sitting across the table from an Alcatel executive in Paris as he laid out for me what departments would not be implementing my software because making them more effective would pose problems for some French ministers.

After a little of that you then get to experience a "direct action" from transportation workers who shut down the country because a group of truck drivers were told that English drivers can compete on their routes.

That is the kind of stuff that I am talking about. And I don't see it as a "forward" state of being that we want to aspire to. Europe has been built up as a sort of wonderland of goodness, fairness and guaranteed prosperity that doesn't really exist. There are built in inefficiencies that they have, we want, but that only exist because they benefit from our buying their exports and subsidizing their defense. It has real warts and is an environment that most people who create jobs in this country would find very limiting. And unless China wants to play the role of the USA to us, having a European economy isn't even an option for us - who will buy our expensive exports and pay for our defense?

455 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 11:11:45pm

Some if not most political prophets are predicting a landslide win for the GOP in November. This will bring in hundreds of new Republican office holders, almost all of them affiliated to one degree or another with the creationist charlatans.
Creationists are a plague, probably not Biblical but the moral equivalent. They are undermining the moral and intellectual foundations of this country at a prodigious rate. This is not just through their stupidity itself but through the example they set for the emotional gratification and financial, political, and social profits to be reaped through the exploitation of stupidity.
Idiocracy is here.

456 yasharki  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 11:11:50pm

re: #445 Shiplord Kirel

Please say your comment (#445) was a joke or satire.

457 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 11:15:25pm

re: #456 yasharki

That ain't no bullshit. SK may not be speaking "the gospel", but he is speaking the real truth.

458 ClaudeMonet  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 11:28:04pm

re: #456 yasharki

Please say your comment (#445) was a joke or satire.

I don't think it "was a joke or satire". It's very sad, but quite possible.

We're (or I'm) used to dumb politicians and/or cynical politicians, but some of the current crop take dumb to idiotic and cynical to something I can't even describe. (Cato, you're the master wordsmith, help me out here.)

459 yasharki  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 11:28:50pm

re: #457 Slumbering Behemoth

Pardon me, but I think "the gospel" sounds more probable than someone "running the numbers" to simulate grand canyon erosion.

"we accelerated the water somehow to a velocity that would do this (@mach 4, btw) the heat released would melt the crust into a glass layer for several hundred miles in every direction

Is this a reasonable argument? It's absurd. Creationists make more sense...

460 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 11:47:56pm

re: #459 yasharki

Pardon me, but I think "the gospel" sounds more probable than someone "running the numbers" to simulate grand canyon erosion.

"we accelerated the water somehow to a velocity that would do this (@mach 4, btw) the heat released would melt the crust into a glass layer for several hundred miles in every direction

Is this a reasonable argument? It's absurd. Creationists make more sense...

It is the creationists, not I, who are making an absurd argument. They are postulating a real event that really would take that much energy.

It is not difficult to calculate the amount of energy that would be released in moving that much rock. For comparison, the volume displaced by the Chixulub asteroid event (the famous "dinosaur killer") is roughly equivalent to the volume of the Grand Canyon. Re-distributing that much energy over a larger area and a longer (though still very short) time would easily heat exposed terrain past its melting point.

461 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Thu, Sep 9, 2010 11:59:37pm

re: #459 yasharki

Creationists make more sense...

Really? Please, make your case. I'll try to be as respectful as possible.

NOTICE: I have no respect for mouth-stuffing, goal post moving, magical thinking, etc.

462 yasharki  Fri, Sep 10, 2010 12:09:44am

re: #461 Slumbering Behemoth

In other words, you're Ok with water being accelerated to some velocity and measuring said velocity in machs?

463 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Sep 10, 2010 12:19:22am

re: #462 yasharki

In other words, you're Ok with water being accelerated to some velocity and measuring said velocity in machs?

Er, I'm not saying that this is really possible. The flow rate of a stream, like the Colorado River, is strictly a function of gravity. This puts an upper limit on the rate of erosion no matter how large a volume of water is available. That limit is orders of magnitude below the rate needed to form the observed feature (the Grand Canyon) in 40 days. I think you're missing something in the original post.

464 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 10, 2010 12:20:59am

re: #462 yasharki

In other words, you're Ok with water being accelerated to some velocity and measuring said velocity in machs?

The point of that was to say that if it happened just as the creationists said, it would require that kind of mass and velocity to achieve such results in such a short time.

So I ask again, and in this context, how do creationists make more sense?

465 yasharki  Fri, Sep 10, 2010 12:26:57am

re: #460 Shiplord Kirel

You're making astoundingly bold statements. It's not even funny. Rock is not uniform, neither is terrain, claiming to know melting point of such terrain or knowing combined mass of said rock makes you sound like a creationist (to my drunken brain at least).

466 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 10, 2010 12:28:52am

re: #465 yasharki

The P.W. Herman Gambit. Well played.
/

467 yasharki  Fri, Sep 10, 2010 12:29:12am

re: #464 Slumbering Behemoth

You missed the point completely. You cannot measure velocity in m/s^2. Period.

468 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Sep 10, 2010 12:31:03am

With god-like power, you could blast a trench the size of the Grand Canyon in 40 days, or one day for that matter, but you could not do it with flowing water and gravity.
One reason the Grand Canyon is so interesting is that it is actually a recent feature by geological standards. There is a lot of debate about its age, but it is no more than 40 MY old and probably less than half that. Until recently, an age as short as 6-7 MY was attributed to the canyon.
The Colorado is a fast-moving stream and it is saturated with hard sentiment, which allows for a high rate of erosion.

469 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 10, 2010 12:35:12am

re: #467 yasharki

You missed the point completely. You cannot measure velocity in m/s^2. Period.

You miss the point completely. You cannot attribute the formation of the Grand Canyon to the mythological Great Flood without employing such absolutely ridiculous circumstances.

470 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Sep 10, 2010 12:46:12am

re: #465 yasharki

You're making astoundingly bold statements. It's not even funny. Rock is not uniform, neither is terrain, claiming to know melting point of such terrain or knowing combined mass of said rock makes you sound like a creationist (to my drunken brain at least).

The melting point of regolith does not vary by a lot and we definitely know the range of those melting points, as we do the range of density in the Earth's crust. Any realistic figure for either of those averages will render the creationist case ridiculous. It's not impossible to measure either of these exactly in a given area but I haven't done that, I haven't claimed to, and it really isn't necessary to my case.
I think the statement in parentheses explains your difficulty with this more than adequately.

re: #467 yasharki

You missed the point completely. You cannot measure velocity in m/s^2. Period.

Huh? What is your understanding of the term "mach?"

471 yasharki  Fri, Sep 10, 2010 12:51:30am

re: #469 Slumbering Behemoth

I would probably die of shame before claiming that Grand Canyon was formed by some biblical flood. Pardon my non native babbling, I may have misspoken. Critical, scientific approach is all I believe in.

472 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 10, 2010 12:52:12am

re: #470 Shiplord Kirel

I think the statement in parentheses explains your difficulty with this more than adequately.

Totally unfair. I am fairly more than drunk, and I still get your original argument.

473 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Sep 10, 2010 12:53:46am

re: #472 Slumbering Behemoth

Totally unfair. I am fairly more than drunk, and I still get your original argument.

My apologies, SB. Some drunks get it, some don't. Thank you for your support.

474 yasharki  Fri, Sep 10, 2010 12:59:39am

re: #470 Shiplord Kirel

Dude, you put me to shame. Big time. I mixed up Gs and Machs in my drunken head. Please accept my apologies.

Sincere apologies!

475 Shiplord Kirel  Fri, Sep 10, 2010 1:05:51am

re: #474 yasharki

Dude, you put me to shame. Big time. I mixed up Gs and Machs in my drunken head. Please accept my apologies.

Sincere apologies!

Accepted and think no more of it. The important thing is that we are on the same side relative to the creationists.

476 yasharki  Fri, Sep 10, 2010 1:20:51am

re: #475 Shiplord Kirel

Thanks for understanding. Cheers!

477 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 10, 2010 2:58:02am

re: #474 yasharki

Dude, you put me to shame. Big time. I mixed up Gs and Machs in my drunken head. Please accept my apologies.

Sincere apologies!

I was told there would be no math :(

478 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 10, 2010 3:04:47am

re: #200 karmic_inquisitor

I am a 6th generation Californian and grew up in San Mateo. Parents from Palo Alto and Watsonville. Grandparents/Great Grandparents/Great great and so on from places like San Jose, Santa Maria, Riverside, Fresno, San Gabriel, Monterrey and Ft Bragg.

Seen the state go from "Reagan Country" to its current deep shade of blue.

Most folks I meet weren't born here. That is fine with me. What I don't understand is the parochialism that has taken over this state. Ag types in the valley dissing the coast. Coastal liberals dissing the red necks in the valley. So cal bashing nor cal and vice versa.

People come here for freedom and opportunity. Nothing unAmerican about that. Because of the California mystique, the freedom most seek is an individual/social freedom. Wanting that freedom used to be a Western ideal of western conservatism. Now I guess it means "liberal". At the same time, people here don't want to be told "you must accept and celebrate the difference that I represent" which is a post-modern "inclusion" theme that imposes its own small oppressions.

I wish people would stop cutting up this state into parts that they get to covet for themselves and those like them. I love this state. I know how the waves break differently in La Jolla than at Steamers Lane in Santa Cruz. I know the oak trees on the hillsides in Concord are different from those in Paso Robles. I know the sage smell of the hill sides in the Cuyamacas. I love the stink of Mono Lake. I know the Yucca near San Luis Obispo grows taller than it does in Anza Borrego. And I know that I still know very little about this place. And I wish everyone here would resign themselves to the fact that none of us really own this place.

This is a great post and it deserves more readership, so I'm quoting it :D

479 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 10, 2010 3:06:24am

re: #418 Slumbering Behemoth

Strawman.

Strawman.

Lots of strawmen. Besides, you were painting the Bay Area as a singular, homogeneous culture. And that is the precise point where I was disagreeing with you.

You know that is not true. Now you are putting words in my mouth, and lying about me. Fuck you, dude.

I am not a part of that hate-on, and as stated above, another fuck you for insinuating I am.

Yet you can't seem to comprehend the same regarding the greater Bay Area.

I won't presume to tell you about Portland and surrounding areas, as I have only visited there and not lived there. I have only seen it through the lenses of the friends I've visited. Sound familar?

That was never a part of what I was discussing with you here tonight. The fact is that you have little to no idea about the cultural differences that exist in the Bay Area, and you have proven so by lumping it in with SF.

That was the first straw, and you can take that up with her. That bullshit was never part of my argument.

Often times you behave like one. And circling the wagons around them? Fuck you again. Show me where I have done that. And don't make vague implications like you normally do, fucking quote me.


"Ojoe is a good egg"


Either you call out book burning, or you do not

You did not.

480 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 10, 2010 3:14:14am

re: #418 Slumbering Behemoth

You are playing deep cover for scumbags who wouldn't care if the entirety of San Francisco slid into the ocean. You look the other way as these people run their mouths, claiming that a great city is unAmerican?

You try and get down into some pissing match with me of "you don't know my town." Of course you know the town better, you just don't seem to understand whatsoever of the nature or potency of the unhinged politics attacking your town. You literally seem to have no clue. You have no idea what I'm trying to say to you, that there are people who are hostile to the entirety of the bay culture, that they take they symbolism of a region of the country which is amazing and intelligent and a beacon to the world, and they'll just shit on it and demonize it and kick in in the balls for their gutter slimebag politics.

And you look the other way and you come at me? I'm your problem? Really?

Keep looking away, man. I'll still be here when you have the courage to look back.

481 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 10, 2010 3:21:15am

re: #332 reine.de.tout

Hell, he's made my list for the evening (I don't remember things long enough to carry over).

I mean, I make a list of all sorts of wonderful things about Oregon, and he, of course, FINDS AND POINTS OUT the ONE thing I missed.

geez.

Didn't mean to offend, honestly, and I appreciate that you dig our wine, it's just that my point is that my state is cool, but my state isnt a word class axis that the earth revolves around, changing the nature of humanity, also I really dig beer here. Oregon is a small state. We don't influence much. We certainly never influence elections!

The internet is changing the very nature of what it means to be human. It is creating connectivity and accelerating the advancement of human experience like no other thing that man has concieved of

And silicon valley and san francisco are a large part of that equation.

482 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 10, 2010 3:25:02am

re: #439 Dark_Falcon

Won't work. Without the socons, fiscal conservatives would be a permanent minority. Even if we don't always like them, we need them.

You need bigotry, basically.

I have difficulty voting for people who wish me harm.

483 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 10, 2010 4:47:10am

re: #479 WindUpBird

"Ojoe is a good egg"

Either you call out book burning, or you do not

You did not.

Anyone with half a mind can go to that thread and see what I said. There is no need for you to lie about me like that.

484 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 10, 2010 6:52:25am
Olasky points out a number of problems with conventional theory:

* Lack of erosion between the various layers. The attached slideshow reveals cliffs containing multiple layers standing out in stark relief, when they ought to be blended into one another.
* Rock layers that are bent without fracturing, which can happen only when they are wet and not yet hard.
* The very existence of fossils, which require a catastrophic burial.

Teh stupid is hurting my head with this set of quotes.

* Lack of erosion between the various layers. The attached slideshow reveals cliffs containing multiple layers standing out in stark relief, when they ought to be blended into one another.

Uh, no. The sediments are a result of onlap/offlap cycles of shallow marine depositional environments. High energy near shore sandstones are followed by low energy offshore siltstones and then carbonates as shallow epi-continental seas advanced. The cycle reverses as the shallow seas regressed.

* Rock layers that are bent without fracturing, which can happen only when they are wet and not yet hard.

Tragically wrong. Even comparatively brittle sandstones can bend quite well under lithostatic pressures found at depth. They may fracture when exhumed, however.

* The very existence of fossils, which require a catastrophic burial.

Huh? I'm not even going to bother with that one.

485 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 10, 2010 12:19:16pm

re: #483 Slumbering Behemoth

Anyone with half a mind can go to that thread and see what I said. There is no need for you to lie about me like that.

"Good eggs" do not say things like that. Sorry, they don't. He's not "wrong". He's saying pretty disgusting and stupid things. Good people who make sense don't make jokes like that, they don't disrespect religions like that, they don't fan the flames like that.

Theres a whole lot of YEAHBUT that goes on here at LGF, a whole lot of "well, I don't like what he said but hey well whatever he's a nice guy he's just wrong". That happened with Mandy. A whole lot of people just wanted to get along to get along with her, no matter how bigoted she got, no matter how disgusting she got. People just shrugged and let it happen in the comments.

And instead, you tee off on me when I'm defending san francisco because apparently the suburbs have a different culture than the city (of course they do, it's impossible for anyone who isn't ludicriously wealthy to buy a house inside the city), and you tee off on me because I used the word "retard", and equated it with me using the word N***? How does that even work? That's shit Mandy did. OH MAN I GOT YOU USING THE TERM RETARD, OH HO HO MAN YOU MUST BE JUST LIKE A TOTAL RACIST


If I'm your problem, just tell me I'm your problem. Because you seem a lot more interested in jumping down my throat for very insignificant things, semantic details that I guess hurt your pride or something, completely sidestepping my points, than in holding people who say vile things daily accountable.

486 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 10, 2010 12:23:07pm

re: #483 Slumbering Behemoth

and by the way when I say CALL OUT, I mean CALL OUT. You never called him out! You sorta maybe kinda well maybe he's wrong but you know wouldn't want to rock the boat. make a little joke, heh heh we're all friends here.

No you didn't call him out, you called ME out. Because I'm the problem for being upset with the wacko. See why I sorta think you're full of crap? It's just like DF, won't stand up to people who say terrible things. Just let them do it, wouldn't want to offend anyone.

487 Slumbering Behemoth Stinks  Fri, Sep 10, 2010 2:58:03pm

re: #485 WindUpBird

You are so full of shit. You were not here defending SF, you were making ignorant, broad-brush assumptions about the entire Bay Area that were easily debunked. And when they were, you started crying about it, and lying about me. And when you get called on that, you try twist this into something completely separate from the conversation we were actually having, dragging in all kinds of bullshit that has nothing to do with it, in an obvious effort to obfuscate your own behavior.

You're like a little kid who gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar, lies about it, and then throws a tantrum when called on his lies. You're pathetic.


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