Pamela Geller’s Fans, Part 3: Youth for Western Civilization

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Here’s another photo from Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer’s anti-Islam rally last weekend, showing one of their English Defense League allies standing with two representatives of “Youth for Western Civilization” — a thinly veiled white nationalist student group that often promotes alliances with Eurofascists such as the EDL.

Youth for Western Civilization has been classified as a “hate group” by the Southern Poverty Law Center; here’s a post at their Hatewatch blog, with more information on the people behind YWC: ‘Right-Wing Youth’ Group Debuts At CPAC.

One of the group’s founders, Marcus Epstein, is a frequent contributor to the white nationalist hate website vdare.com. (Editor’s Note: In Sept. 2009, Hatewatch was informed that Epstein now claims he was not a founder of the group, even though he had said so earlier.)

“Diversity can be good in moderation — if what is being brought in is desirable,” Epstein wrote in one vdare.com essay. “Most Americans don’t mind a little ethnic food, some Asian math whizzes, or a few Mariachi dancers — as long as these trends do not overwhelm the dominant culture.”

Epstein is also the head of the Robert A. Taft Club, a Washington, D.C., group whose events regularly feature prominent academic racists like Jared Taylor, the editor of the overtly white supremacist journal American Renaissance.

Another Youth for Western Civilization founder, Kevin DeAnna, has posted several times in recent years to the Spartan Spectator, the website of the Michigan State University chapter of Young Americans for Freedom, or MSU-YAF.

In 2007, the Southern Poverty Law Center identified MSU-YAF as a hate group after it organized a “Catch an Illegal Alien Day” game, sponsored a “Koran desecration contest,” jokingly threatened to distribute small-pox infected blankets to Native American students, posted “Gays spread AIDS” fliers, called Latino students and faculty members “savages,” and invited Nick Griffin, the chairman of the neofascist British National Party, to speak on the MSU campus.

“The point is that all Christians, and white Christians in particular, don’t owe any deference to the self-defined racial separatist customs of other people,” DeAnna posted to Spartan Spectator in July 2007.

DeAnna was supporting another Spartan Spectator blogger who attacked the African-American holiday Kwanzaa for being “Satanic,” because it’s “designed to lead black Americans from traditional Christian holidays like Christmas and replace it with paganism.”

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242 comments
1 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:09:17pm

It must be a horrible life spending all your time looking for things to hate.

2 darthstar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:11:23pm

You can tell a lot about a cougar by the company she keeps.

3 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:12:15pm

Any photos of her licking her ass?

4 freetoken  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:12:33pm

Pamela Geller - if she be lifted up she will draw all kooks and haters unto herself.

5 Kragar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:12:44pm

When do they get around to passing out the "Blood and Honor" fun wear for the kids?

6 darthstar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:13:42pm

re: #3 b_sharp

Any photos of her licking her ass?

I don't think she and Breitbart were on stage together.

7 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:14:04pm

Perhaps we should say prayers to Saint George to intercede against the Dragon that has hijacked his name. For these EDL monsters truly have abandoned their nation's heritage.

8 engineer cat  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:14:27pm

how quaint of them all to come up with such elaborate and unconvincing attempts to express racism in an acceptable disguise

9 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:14:59pm

Listen to Mommy

10 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:15:04pm
“Diversity can be good in moderation — if what is being brought in is desirable,” Epstein wrote in one VDARE.com essay.

And who is in charge of deciding what is or is not "desirable"?
Ugh.

11 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:15:30pm

re: #6 darthstar

I don't think she and Breitbart were on stage together.

Nothing worse than a dirty cougar.

12 Cato the Elder  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:16:28pm

Louts.

13 Kragar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:16:57pm

re: #9 Stanley Sea

Listen to Mommy


When I told you to call me that, I wanted you to mean it.

14 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:17:18pm

I just watched the video of Geller from yesterday.

At 3:00, she shows a photo of the Sacred Landing gear, mentions the blood of our American brothers, and says she's going to sue the US government to have them designate the "Burlington War Memorial".

LOL

15 Gus  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:17:51pm

I don't even know if we can classify these people as being part of groups any more. As time goes by they're starting to look like cults or death cults. Clearly a lot of these people hold a lot of similar beliefs with end of the world death cults.

16 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:18:24pm

The Michigan State University chapter of Young Americans for Freedom is a really ugly group of outright racists. They're the ones who brought over Nick Griffin of the BNP to speak.

17 brookly red  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:19:10pm

I am mistrustful of any group that has the word "youth" in it's name...

18 Kragar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:19:26pm

re: #14 wrenchwench

I just watched the video of Geller from yesterday.

[Video]

At 3:00, she shows a photo of the Sacred Landing gear, mentions the blood of our American brothers, and says she's going to sue the US government to have them designate the "Burlington War Memorial".

LOL

How many coats must die before all coats are free?

19 darthstar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:19:58pm

re: #17 brookly red

I am mistrustful of any group that has the word "youth" in it's name...

What about the GOP's "Young Guns" (average age 52)

20 engineer cat  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:20:04pm

“Diversity can be good in moderation — if what is being brought in is desirable,” Epstein wrote in one VDARE.com essay. “Most Americans don’t mind a little ethnic food, some Asian math whizzes, or a few Mariachi dancers — as long as these trends do not overwhelm the dominant culture.”

and i'm sure we hebrews can be tolerated as long as we confine ourselves to little shops on the lower east side and don't attempt to mingle with mainstream protestant culture

21 Kragar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:20:16pm

re: #17 brookly red

I am mistrustful of any group that has the word "youth" in it's name...

A fascist backed youth group, whats the worst that could happen?
/

22 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:20:17pm

re: #16 Charles

The Michigan State University chapter of Young Americans for Freedom is a really ugly group of outright racists. They're the ones who brought over Nick Griffin of the BNP to speak.

YAF is for kids who aren't cool enough for CRNC.

23 brookly red  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:20:40pm

/Hey... was it an accident the photo was taken in front of the Amish Market?

24 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:21:06pm

re: #19 darthstar

What about the GOP's "Young Guns" (average age 52)

As least they don't use walkers.

25 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:21:32pm

re: #19 darthstar

What about the GOP's "Young Guns" (average age 52)

That's still young for Congress, which has members in their late 70's, at least.

26 Virginia Plain  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:21:59pm

Geez, how do any college students have any time to join any group. All I'm doing is studying my ass off (and hanging out here as well).

27 Kragar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:22:02pm

I've been white for 37 years and I still am not really sure what they mean by "white culture". I think it involves mayonaise and lutefisk maybe.

28 brookly red  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:22:41pm

re: #19 darthstar

What about the GOP's "Young Guns" (average age 52)

as opposed to McCain or Wrangel? 52 is young by Washington standards...

29 darthstar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:23:29pm

re: #20 engineer dog


and i'm sure we hebrews can be tolerated as long as we confine ourselves to little shops on the lower east side and don't attempt to mingle with mainstream protestant culture

Except for those lovely bagels with the smoked salmon and capers...yum...keep those coming.

30 wrenchwench  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:23:35pm

re: #14 wrenchwench

Ooops, sorry. That was from June, not yesterday.

31 brookly red  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:23:59pm

re: #21 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A fascist backed youth group, whats the worst that could happen?
/

I have the sudden urge to polish my boots...

32 Gus  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:25:04pm

Jugend für die Westlichen Zivilisation

33 SpaceJesus  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:25:06pm

"god, why won't those darkies just behave(leave)"

-conservatives

34 darthstar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:25:19pm

re: #28 brookly red

as opposed to McCain or Wrangel? 52 is young by Washington standards...

John McCain is still young on the astronomical scale....oh, wait, no he isn't.

35 SpaceJesus  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:25:49pm

re: #32 Gus 802


let's just call them the Palin Jugend

36 brookly red  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:26:00pm

re: #29 darthstar

Except for those lovely bagels with the smoked salmon and capers...yum...keep those coming.

I go to Russ & Daughters once a week... if you have to ask you will never understand :)

37 Kragar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:26:02pm

re: #31 brookly red

I have the sudden urge to polish my boots...

Take a hike in the countryside as we sing the Horst Wessel song perhaps?

38 Cato the Elder  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:26:25pm

re: #14 wrenchwench

I just watched the video of Geller from yesterday.


[Video]

At 3:00, she shows a photo of the Sacred Landing gear, mentions the blood of our American brothers, and says she's going to sue the US government to have them designate the "Burlington War Memorial".

LOL

Too ugly; didn't watch.

39 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:26:43pm

re: #25 Dark_Falcon

That's still young for Congress, which has members in their late 70's, at least.

re: #28 brookly red

as opposed to McCain or Wrangel? 52 is young by Washington standards...

It's just sad.

40 Kragar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:27:11pm

re: #34 darthstar

John McCain is still young on the astronomical scale...oh, wait, no he isn't.

God said let there be light...John McCain flipped the switch for him.
/

41 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:27:49pm

re: #31 brookly red

I have the sudden urge to polish my boots...

The nuns who ran our military school were founded and headed by a German teaching order. In 1956, the Mother of All Superiors came over for an inspection visit. She got a few yards into the campus, saw 200 of us lined up in our gray and black dress uniforms, and returned home.

42 darthstar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:28:03pm

re: #40 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

God said let there be light...John McCain flipped the switch for him.
/

More likely McCain said, "Hey, I'm trying to take a nap!"

43 Kragar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:28:19pm

re: #42 darthstar

More likely McCain said, "Hey, I'm trying to take a nap!"

GET OFF MY LAWN!

44 brookly red  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:28:52pm

re: #39 Stanley Sea

re: #28 brookly red

It's just sad.

What really pisses me of is somewhere out there is a clip of Nancy Pelosie telling us to never trust anyone over 30...

45 Virginia Plain  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:29:01pm

re: #41 Decatur Deb

The nuns who ran our military school were founded and headed by a German teaching order. In 1956, the Mother of All Superiors came over for an inspection visit. She got a few yards into the campus, saw 200 of us lined up in our gray and black dress uniforms, and returned home.

She really did jump the gun.

46 Gus  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:29:11pm

re: #35 SpaceJesus

let's just call them the Palin Jugend

Oh großer Führer Palin
Sie arbeiten so hart für das Vaterland
Sie inspirieren uns mit dem Willen unseres Volkes
Um im Kampf gegen die Ungläubigen und Feinde des Staates

//

47 SpaceJesus  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:29:49pm

re: #46 Gus 802

aka "dem 'ferners"

48 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:29:56pm

re: #45 Virginia Plain

She really did jump the gun.

Yeah. "Too Soon".

49 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:29:58pm

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've been white for 37 years and I still am not really sure what they mean by "white culture". I think it involves mayonaise and lutefisk maybe.

white culture is the Waffle House, Dukes of Hazard and every other bland uninteresting thing there is about popular culture.

African Americans gave us Jazz and rock and roll. White americans gave the world Polka. I know which one I'm more grateful for.

50 brookly red  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:29:58pm

re: #41 Decatur Deb

The nuns who ran our military school were founded and headed by a German teaching order. In 1956, the Mother of All Superiors came over for an inspection visit. She got a few yards into the campus, saw 200 of us lined up in our gray and black dress uniforms, and returned home.

Nuns running a military school? OY

51 elizajane  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:30:06pm

But why are they parading outside the Amish Market?
Is it because the Amish are, gasp, INBRED?

Or.....

Image: AmishTerr.jpg

52 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:30:15pm

re: #39 Stanley Sea

re: #28 brookly red

It's just sad.

It is what it is. Getting into Congress takes raising political stature, and often its the second act of a congressperson's life after time in the private sector. That time plus the need to raise political stature accounts for the age of those in Congress.

53 Virginia Plain  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:30:26pm

re: #50 brookly red

Nuns running a military school? OY

Well, they can be vicious with the rulers.

54 Reginald Perrin  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:30:33pm

The YAF have some heavyweight backers.

In fact, the YAF brand is being co-opted and promoted by the Leadership Institute, a hard-line conservative nonprofit organization based in Arlington, Va., that is dedicated, according to its mission statement, to "identifying, recruiting, training and placing conservatives within the public policy process in the U.S. and abroad."

Republican National Committee executive committee member Morton Blackwell — who orchestrated a campaign against Anita Hill at the University of Oklahoma after she came forward with sexual harassment allegations against then-Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas — founded the Leadership Institute in 1979 and is still its president. Major donors include the Coors Foundation and Rich DeVos, founder of the troubled Amway multilevel marketing firm.

Christian Coalition founder Ralph Reed and disgraced lobbyist Jack Abramoff were both trained by the Leadership Institute, as was Jeff Gannon, the fake White House news correspondent who lobbed softball questions for President Bush from 2003 until 2005. That's when it was revealed that Gannon had been a gay prostitute before attending the Leadership Institute Broadcast School of Journalism, after which he somehow obtained White House press credentials as a reporter for "Talon News," Gannon's one-man operation.


It also offers an explanation for how Jeff Gannon got access to the Whitehouse.

55 Cato the Elder  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:30:40pm

re: #32 Gus 802

Jugend für die Westlichen Zivilisation

Machine translation sucks. Otherwise your google-fu has been excellent lately.

56 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:31:22pm

re: #50 brookly red

Nuns running a military school? OY

Couple dozen nuns and a one-legged vet from the First Cav. It worked amazingly well.

57 Gus  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:31:34pm

re: #55 Cato the Elder

Machine translation sucks. Otherwise your google-fu has been excellent lately.

Thanks. Yeah. That was from the Google translator.

58 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:31:55pm

re: #37 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Take a hike in the countryside as we sing the Horst Wessel song perhaps?

Given the focus on the direction west, I'm more expecting Der Watche am Rheine (The Watch on the Rhine).

59 engineer cat  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:32:58pm

our mother superior (yes, i was a token jewish kid at an episcopalian religious school) used to make the girls line up kneeling, and then she would sweep down the row and use a riding crop to tap the shoulder of any girl whose skirt didn't touch the floor

60 Kragar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:33:23pm

re: #58 Dark_Falcon

Given the focus on the direction west, I'm more expecting Der Watche am Rheine (The Watch on the Rhine).

We'll have time on hike to the next Palin/Beck rally.

61 brookly red  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:33:47pm

re: #49 PT Barnum

white culture is the Waffle House, Dukes of Hazard and every other bland uninteresting thing there is about popular culture.

African Americans gave us Jazz and rock and roll. White americans gave the world Polka. I know which one I'm more grateful for.

where would we be without Velveita...

62 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:33:54pm

Nice catch. I saw the pic but missed the YWC element.

63 SpaceJesus  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:34:12pm

why are there english people hanging out in our country trying to shit on our constitution. i thought we settled this in 1812.

64 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:34:27pm

re: #60 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We'll have time on hike to the next Palin/Beck rally.

Not with this in your way

[Link: twitpic.com...]

65 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:34:39pm

re: #59 engineer dog

our mother superior (yes, i was a token jewish kid at an episcopalian religious school) used to make the girls line up kneeling, and then she would sweep down the row and use a riding crop to tap the shoulder of any girl whose skirt didn't touch the floor

They teach that in Famous Nun's Academy. (And, yes, we always seemed to have one Jewish kid.)

66 Cato the Elder  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:34:55pm

re: #60 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

We'll have time on hike to the next Palin/Beck rally.

"Die Wache."

67 brookly red  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:35:31pm

re: #65 Decatur Deb

They teach that in Famous Nun's Academy. (And, yes, we always seemed to have one Jewish kid.)

/somebody has to keep the books...

68 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:35:37pm

re: #63 SpaceJesus

why are there english people hanging out in our country trying to shit on our constitution. i thought we settled this in 1812.

Kenyan Anti-Colonialist!
/Newt

69 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:35:42pm

re: #61 brookly red

where would we be without Velveita...

enjoying things that are actually called cheese and not processed cheese food product.

Good lord, I don't want to anything that's so processed it has to be called a product.

70 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:36:08pm

re: #68 Killgore Trout

Kenyan Anti-Colonialist!
/Newt

I'm a bloody moron

/Newt

71 Lidane  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:36:09pm
"Diversity can be good in moderation — if what is being brought in is desirable,” Epstein wrote in one VDARE.com essay. “Most Americans don’t mind a little ethnic food, some Asian math whizzes, or a few Mariachi dancers — as long as these trends do not overwhelm the dominant culture.”

Wow. Just...wow. What a pathetic, small-minded little man.

On the other hand, there's this:

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

I think I'll take the words of that poem instead.

72 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:37:00pm

re: #69 PT Barnum

enjoying things that are actually called cheese and not processed cheese food product.

Good lord, I don't want to anything that's so processed it has to be called a product.

How about a cheese like edible oil product.

73 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:37:04pm

re: #66 Cato the Elder

"Die Wache."

Sorry, Cato.

74 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:37:34pm

re: #72 b_sharp

How about a cheese like edible oil product.

I think I just threw up in my mouth a little.

75 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:37:39pm

re: #69 PT Barnum

enjoying things that are actually called cheese and not processed cheese food product.

Good lord, I don't want to anything that's so processed it has to be called a product.

Burn calories Americans, not Qur'ans!

76 brookly red  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:37:45pm

re: #72 b_sharp

How about a cheese like edible oil product.

/what are you a microbe or something?

77 Kragar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:38:15pm

re: #72 b_sharp

How about a cheese like edible oil product.

Can we call it Macheesemo?

78 Gus  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:38:37pm

Straight from the source of YWC:

It is time America drew a line in the sand. Tolerance can only be upheld by having boundaries and by not endorsing or supporting that which would destroy our tolerance and way of life. It is difficult to imagine Islam upholding the traditions and values of America. It is not in the psyche and tradition of America to sit idly by and allow itself to be taken over.

But let the Muslims and the Left keep pushing America. Let them keep ramming down an agenda of internationalism and slavery down our throats because the day is going to come in which the American people, the American beast that Yamaoto talked about, will rise up again to defend itself and the constitution that the Founding Fathers by the grace of Almighty God gave us. The time for battle is now, the time for victory is now, that is why we must hold hands with our European and freedom-loving brethren around the world and declare “No mosque here!”

79 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:38:45pm

You know there is something oddly comforting about putting your feet on the footstool and having the small dog there use your ankle as a chinrest.

80 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:39:15pm

re: #77 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Can we call it Macheesemo?

Formagioil.

81 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:39:21pm

re: #77 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Can we call it Macheesemo?

That was no Gouda.

82 Gus  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:39:32pm

re: #78 Gus 802

That was written by...

Taylor Rose is a senior of Liberty University and a resident of Virginia. He is fluent in German and has studied in Germany and is currently pursuing a B.A. in International Relations with a minor in Strategic Intelligence.

83 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:39:50pm

re: #76 brookly red

/what are you a microbe or something?

A colony.

84 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:39:54pm

re: #77 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Can we call it Macheesemo?

As advertised on the Rush Limburgher program.

85 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:40:28pm

re: #78 Gus 802

The 'down our throats' line appears again.

86 brookly red  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:41:25pm

re: #84 PT Barnum

As advertised on the Rush Limburgher program.

cheese wars! its on!

87 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:41:38pm

re: #85 Stanley Sea

The 'down our throats' line appears again.

Back on the violation of our bodily orifices again, huh? These guys have some sort of complex.

88 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:41:53pm

re: #77 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Can we call it Macheesemo?

And market it in different colours.

89 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:42:05pm
90 Cato the Elder  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:42:18pm

re: #82 Gus 802

That was written by...

How can he be fluent in German when even his English sucks so hard?

91 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:42:45pm

re: #78 Gus 802

Straight from the source of YWC:

It is time America drew a line in the sand. Tolerance can only be upheld by having boundaries and by not endorsing or supporting that which would destroy our tolerance and way of life. It is difficult to imagine Islam upholding the traditions and values of America. It is not in the psyche and tradition of America to sit idly by and allow itself to be taken over.

But let the Muslims and the Left keep pushing America. Let them keep ramming down an agenda of internationalism and slavery down our throats because the day is going to come in which the American people, the American beast that Yamaoto talked about, will rise up again to defend itself and the constitution that the Founding Fathers by the grace of Almighty God gave us. The time for battle is now, the time for victory is now, that is why we must hold hands with our European and freedom-loving brethren around the world and declare “No mosque here!”

Yamamoto, you morons. Geeze what a bunch of dolts. Not only are they bigoted but they forget the past so easily. Yamamoto and the IJN were their allies in that war.

/spits

92 brookly red  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:43:51pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

Yamamoto, you morons. Geeze what a bunch of dolts. Not only are they bigoted but they forget the past so easily. Yamamoto and the IJN were their allies in that war.

/spits

I believe the word was giant, not beast...

93 Kragar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:44:07pm

I hate rouge extremists.

94 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:44:07pm

re: #86 brookly red

cheese wars! its on!

Can't play tonight, my brain is curdled.

95 Gus  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:44:38pm

You can almost smell the "boot leather and tobacco" and the sound of jackboots with metal plated heels on the pavement.

96 lostlakehiker  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:44:41pm

re: #49 PT Barnum

white culture is the Waffle House, Dukes of Hazard and every other bland uninteresting thing there is about popular culture.

African Americans gave us Jazz and rock and roll. White americans gave the world Polka. I know which one I'm more grateful for.

Popular culture isn't the only game in town. If you like symphony orchestra, chess, rock climbing, or engineering, you're "acting white". You can be as black as you like, or Asian to the core, or 20th generation Hispanic, and people will still say you're "acting white".

It's not that these realms of human achievement and/or recreation are the exclusive domain of whites. Not even that whites are best at them. It's just that these are things that are fairly popular among whites, more so than among the most numerous minorities in predominantly white nations, and so they count as aspects of the mainstream culture in those nations.

A lot of popular culture's most characteristically "white" features are kinda trashy, true. But there's other sides to culture, and even popular culture has its redeeming side. Say, snowboarding, or ... sorry about that, the redeeming side is a short list. :-(

97 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:44:49pm

re: #78 Gus 802

Straight from the source of YWC:

And I still think it sounds better in the original German. Cato, could you please translate?

98 SpaceJesus  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:45:06pm

re: #78 Gus 802


replace the word "muslim" that rant with the word "fascist conservative" and it's actually quite inspiring

99 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:45:24pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

Yamamoto, you morons. Geeze what a bunch of dolts. Not only are they bigoted but they forget the past so easily. Yamamoto and the IJN were their allies in that war.

/spits

Nice thing about lines drawn in the sand - they're easy to erase.

100 Lidane  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:45:52pm

re: #68 Killgore Trout

Kenyan Anti-Colonialist!
/Newt

Ugh. That was one of the dumbest things he's ever said, and for Newt, that's saying a lot.

How is it a bad thing to be anti-colonialist? This country was founded on anti-colonialism. It's why we fought the American Revolution, for fuck's sake. I swear, that whole statement by Newt made me want to reach through the internet and slap him for his idiocy.

101 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:46:01pm

re: #94 Decatur Deb

Can't play tonight, my brain is curdled.

Whey to go.

102 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:46:57pm

re: #95 Gus 802

You can almost smell the "boot leather and tobacco" and the sound of jackboots with metal plated heels on the pavement.

The tobacco part is kind of ironic, given that Hitler hated the stuff. His anti-smoking drive was one of the few good ideas he ever had.

103 Gus  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:47:31pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

Yamamoto, you morons. Geeze what a bunch of dolts. Not only are they bigoted but they forget the past so easily. Yamamoto and the IJN were their allies in that war.

/spits

Maybe he was thinking about his distant cousin, Yamaoto. Just think though. This guys is getting a B.A. in International Relations with a minor in Strategic Intelligence.

104 SpaceJesus  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:47:34pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon


hier gibts

105 brookly red  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:48:02pm

re: #95 Gus 802

You can almost smell the "boot leather and tobacco" and the sound of jackboots with metal plated heels on the pavement.

hey not everyone looks good in plaid golf shorts dude...

106 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:48:03pm

re: #101 b_sharp

Whey to go.

So you decided to rennet up the flagpole and see who would salute?

107 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:48:39pm

re: #100 Lidane

Ugh. That was one of the dumbest things he's ever said, and for Newt, that's saying a lot.

How is it a bad thing to be anti-colonialist? This country was founded on anti-colonialism. ..snip

And anti-colonialism is founded on us.

108 Gus  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:48:56pm

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

The tobacco part is kind of ironic, given that Hitler hated the stuff. His anti-smoking drive was one of the few good ideas he ever had.

Right. I got that from my reading of American soldiers experience in fortress Europa. They typically would say how they could always smell the German troops first and it was the boot leather and tobacco.

109 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:49:13pm

re: #92 brookly red

I believe the word was giant, not beast...

That's correct.

110 Ericus58  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:49:19pm

Greetings all. This is my test posting from my Droid!

111 brookly red  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:49:23pm

re: #106 PT Barnum

So you decided to rennet up the flagpole and see who would salute?

thats port salute

112 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:49:40pm

re: #102 Dark_Falcon

The tobacco part is kind of ironic, given that Hitler hated the stuff. His anti-smoking drive was one of the few good ideas he ever had.

That man NEVER had a good idea in his entire life, considering what the totality of his ideology and his ideas actually embraced. You must be sick to even suggest this?

113 SpaceJesus  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:49:42pm

i want a damn droid

114 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:50:07pm

re: #110 Ericus58

Greetings all. This is my test posting from my Droid!

Why are you using the Greek alphabet?

115 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:50:27pm

re: #113 SpaceJesus

i want a damn droid

I have a sumsung Android phone and I want a droid too. Although from what I've seen the battery life really sucks.

116 brookly red  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:50:28pm

re: #110 Ericus58

Greetings all. This is my test posting from my Droid!

crackel... buzz... all your bases are... crackel... belonging to us.

117 SpaceJesus  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:50:53pm

re: #115 PT Barnum

I have a sumsung Android phone and I want a droid too. Although from what I've seen the battery life really sucks.


extended battery is worth it i hear

118 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:51:24pm

re: #107 Decatur Deb

And anti-colonialism is founded on us.

Some of it was. Some of it was Communist-inspired instead, and that owned little to us.

Note: That was not intended as a "Red Menace" statement, just a statement of fact.

119 engineer cat  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:51:42pm

re: #49 PT Barnum

white culture is the Waffle House, Dukes of Hazard and every other bland uninteresting thing there is about popular culture.

African Americans gave us Jazz and rock and roll. White americans gave the world Polka. I know which one I'm more grateful for.

for me, even though my great grandparents came from places like lithuania and poland, i am happy as an american to inherit american things like old timey mountain music, a pride in the nobility of plainspoken and roughhewn yeoman self sufficiency, an itch to tinker and invent, and restless feet that can't stay away from long, lonely highways

120 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:52:10pm

re: #117 SpaceJesus

extended battery is worth it i hear

My boss had one and he swapped it out for the next one down for that reason. As soon as my contracts expire, I'll probably switch over to Verizon to get the droid phones.

121 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:52:12pm

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

Totally agree.

122 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:52:16pm

re: #33 SpaceJesus

"god, why won't those darkies just behave(leave)"

-conservatives

No, not all of us.

123 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:52:50pm

re: #100 Lidane

Ugh. That was one of the dumbest things he's ever said, and for Newt, that's saying a lot.

How is it a bad thing to be anti-colonialist? This country was founded on anti-colonialism. It's why we fought the American Revolution, for fuck's sake. I swear, that whole statement by Newt made me want to reach through the internet and slap him for his idiocy.

Must know that Newt's comment came from D'Souza's cover article in Forbes. It's crazy stuff. Dave Weigel had the take down:
Weigel - what was Newt talking about??


Let me first point out that some of D'Souza's article is nativist trash. Like this:
Here is a man who spent his formative years--the first 17 years of his life--off the American mainland, in Hawaii, Indonesia and Pakistan, with multiple subsequent journeys to Africa.
124 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:52:52pm

re: #110 Ericus58

Greetings all. This is my test posting from my Droid!

"Don't blame me, Master Ericus. I'm an interpreter."

125 SpaceJesus  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:54:00pm

re: #120 PT Barnum

My boss had one and he swapped it out for the next one down for that reason. As soon as my contracts expire, I'll probably switch over to Verizon to get the droid phones.


me too. i have the blackberry storm, and it is the bane of my existence

126 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:54:03pm

re: #117 SpaceJesus

extended battery is worth it i hear

iphone is just fiiiine.

127 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:54:10pm

re: #100 Lidane

Ugh. That was one of the dumbest things he's ever said, and for Newt, that's saying a lot.

How is it a bad thing to be anti-colonialist? This country was founded on anti-colonialism. It's why we fought the American Revolution, for fuck's sake. I swear, that whole statement by Newt made me want to reach through the internet and slap him for his idiocy.

Let's not overlook the Jews pushed the Brits out of Israel too. The British (god bless them) have been thrown out of the finest countries on planet earth.

128 SpaceJesus  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:54:16pm

re: #126 Stanley Sea

$$$

129 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:54:21pm

re: #119 engineer dog

for me, even though my great grandparents came from places like lithuania and poland, i am happy as an american to inherit american things like old timey mountain music, a pride in the nobility of plainspoken and roughhewn yeoman self sufficiency, an itch to tinker and invent, and restless feet that can't stay away from long, lonely highways

I love old timey mountain music. I personally think calling thing "White" or "Black" culture is kind of silly. My family is such a mish-mash of Irish, English, German, Scot and what not I don't have any culture other than upper midwest white bread america, which strictly speaking can be a bit dull.

I just love culture in general.

130 Cato the Elder  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:55:14pm

The is no phone but iPhone, and Steve Jobs is its prophet.

131 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:55:25pm

re: #129 PT Barnum


I just love culture in general.

I see the cheese puns are still going.

132 SpaceJesus  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:55:51pm

re: #122 reine.de.tout


well if youre a conservative and not just a moderate or independent, please go tell them to stop it already.

133 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:56:14pm

re: #112 Walter L. Newton

That man NEVER had a good idea in his entire life, considering what the totality of his ideology and his ideas actually embraced. You must be sick to even suggest this?

That isn't true. A few of his tactical and strategic decisions were actually inspired, such as using gliders against Eben Emael. That does not mean that the totality of his ideas was not horrendous, and that he was not a monster. I have always believed that he was. All I meant to say was he had a point about tobacco being bad. He was an utter monster, and nothing he ever did puts even a dent in that. Indeed, his deeds and thoughts are the proof of his utter evil.

134 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:56:25pm

re: #115 PT Barnum

I have a sumsung Android phone and I want a droid too. Although from what I've seen the battery life really sucks.

I just picked up an HTC Desire. 3G is great for surfing, but the coverage sucks.

135 SpaceJesus  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:56:27pm

re: #130 Cato the Elder


my fatwah app on my blackberry is point right at you right now

136 Kragar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:56:31pm

I just go with no phone.

137 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:56:34pm

re: #128 SpaceJesus

$$$

My excuse = ATT from day one. + & -'s

138 Gus  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:56:35pm

Ah yes. The Youth for Western Brain Dead Civilization speaks out against the movie Machete.

Needless to say, the chilling scene is a not-so-subtle death threat to Arizonan politicians and all who support HB 1070.

Machete went into production well before HB 1070 and the concept stage began in 2007. The genius that wrote this line is a student at Vanderbilt University.

Apparently they're letting anyone into Vanderbilt these days.

139 Lidane  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:56:38pm

re: #123 Stanley Sea

Must know that Newt's comment came from D'Souza's cover article in Forbes. It's crazy stuff. Dave Weigel had the take down:
Weigel - what was Newt talking about??

Yeah, I know it's Dinesh D'Souza. When I saw that gibberish in Forbes, it reminded me why I've never liked and never had a use for D'Souza and his work. I actually felt dumber after reading his nonsense, and Newt's an even bigger idiot for parroting it and saying something so fundamentally racist and wrong on its face.

140 brookly red  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:56:41pm

re: #131 Renaissance_Man

I see the cheese puns are still going.

New from Nabisco! Cheese Puns! there baked not fried...

141 jaunte  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:56:46pm

re: #131 Renaissance_Man

I see the cheese puns are still going.

Yogurt any?

142 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:56:54pm

re: #125 SpaceJesus

me too. i have the blackberry storm, and it is the bane of my existence

I had a blackberry tour, but my wife's curve died on her and I got the droid so I could give her my blackberry. Now I wish I'd gotten another blackberry or an HTC.

143 engineer cat  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:57:33pm

re: #129 PT Barnum

I love old timey mountain music. I personally think calling thing "White" or "Black" culture is kind of silly. My family is such a mish-mash of Irish, English, German, Scot and what not I don't have any culture other than upper midwest white bread america, which strictly speaking can be a bit dull.

I just love culture in general.

yeah - i guess all of us want to escape the wonder bread and mayonaise that sometimes threatens to take over. we had it in the suburbs outside of new york in the fifties just like you did in the midwest

144 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:57:36pm

re: #124 Renaissance_Man

"Don't blame me, Master Ericus. I'm an interpreter."

Stay on Target!

145 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:57:53pm

re: #140 brookly red

New from Nabisco! Cheese Puns! there baked not fried...

sound half-baked to me...

146 Renaissance_Man  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:58:06pm

re: #141 jaunte

Yogurt any?

I'm gouda go.

147 SpaceJesus  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:58:10pm

re: #137 Stanley Sea

the service is horrible and the month to month cost is obscene


droid will conquer the world

148 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:58:16pm

Dinesh D'Souza tried to argue that Al Qaeda had a legitimate grievance against the US, because we've become a godless society prone to sin and sodomy.

149 brookly red  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:58:41pm

re: #143 engineer dog

yeah - i guess all of us want to escape the wonder bread and mayonaise that sometimes threatens to take over. we had it in the suburbs outside of new york in the fifties just like you did in the midwest

some where in the back of the pantry I have a box of Junket Pudding...

150 Cato the Elder  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:58:52pm

re: #118 Dark_Falcon

Part of the reason the commies came into the picture was that we long supported the wrong people. Think Batista.

151 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:58:53pm

re: #141 jaunte

Yogurt any?

see if you can come up with anatto one

152 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:59:04pm

re: #138 Gus 802

Ah yes. The Youth for Western Brain Dead Civilization speaks out against the movie Machete.

Machete went into production well before HB 1070 and the concept stage began in 2007. The genius that wrote this line is a student at Vanderbilt University.

Apparently they're letting anyone into Vanderbilt these days.

Damn, Vandy.

153 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:59:14pm

re: #146 Renaissance_Man

I'm gouda go.

I already used that one...:)

154 SpaceJesus  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:59:16pm

re: #148 Charles

Dinesh D'Souza tried to argue that Al Qaeda had a legitimate grievance against the US, because we've become a godless society prone to sin and sodomy.

i remember that one. wasn't it abortion?

155 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:59:23pm

re: #148 Charles

Dinesh D'Souza tried to argue that Al Qaeda had a legitimate grievance against the US, because we've become a godless society prone to sin and sodomy.

In the middle ages, the Vikings had that gig.

156 brookly red  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 6:59:41pm

re: #146 Renaissance_Man

I'm gouda go.

whizz?

157 Kragar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:00:06pm

re: #148 Charles

Dinesh D'Souza tried to argue that Al Qaeda had a legitimate grievance against the US, because we've become a godless society prone to sin and sodomy.

Fucking asshole.

158 Nervous Norvous  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:00:12pm

re: #151 PT Barnum

see if you can come up with anatto one

okay... off to read to the Peanut..gnite all.

159 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:00:29pm

It's almost as if Newt Gingrich is kook-fishing. Trying to find the best insane meme to exploit.

160 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:00:34pm

re: #138 Gus 802

Ah yes. The Youth for Western Brain Dead Civilization speaks out against the movie Machete.

Machete went into production well before HB 1070 and the concept stage began in 2007. The genius that wrote this line is a student at Vanderbilt University.

Apparently they're letting anyone into Vanderbilt these days.

They're reacting to a trailer for the movie Robert Rodriguez put out that has Danny Trejio saying the people of Arizona "just fucked with the wrong Mexican". Of course, by freaking out they're reacting exactly as Rodriguez wants them to. He enjoys Wingnut Baiting.

161 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:00:58pm

re: #157 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fucking asshole.

Who got himself a cover on Forbes.

162 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:00:59pm

Instadouche linked to this video....
In Search Of: People Of Color

Can anyone explain why the black chick @ 1:02 is wearing a Confederate Flag t-shirt?

163 Kragar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:01:00pm

I still can't think of a pun using Venezuelan Beaver.

164 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:01:21pm

And D'Souza is also a shill for the Discovery Institute creationist think tank.

165 brookly red  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:01:33pm

re: #159 Charles

It's almost as if Newt Gingrich is kook-fishing. Trying to find the best insane meme to exploit.

Is he hiring consultants? I need some work...

166 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:02:06pm

re: #159 Charles

It's almost as if Newt Gingrich is kook-fishing. Trying to find the best insane meme to exploit.

I guess he made the statement at the premier of his new fear film. It fits.

167 Reginald Perrin  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:02:19pm

re: #159 Charles

It's almost as if Newt Gingrich is kook-fishing. Trying to find the best insane meme to exploit.


You call it kook-fishing, I call it pandering to his base.

168 Ericus58  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:02:31pm

Well I just tried to quote someone but that didn't quite work. The battery life is actually good with an app. My first smart phone and I'm in awe.

169 brookly red  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:02:33pm

re: #163 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I still can't think of a pun using Venezuelan Beaver.

something about south of the border?

170 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:02:34pm

re: #150 Cato the Elder

Part of the reason the commies came into the picture was that we long supported the wrong people. Think Batista.

not entirely us, given that many of those movements were aimed at the UK and France.

171 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:04:25pm

re: #162 Killgore Trout

Instadouche linked to this video...
In Search Of: People Of Color

[Video]Can anyone explain why the black chick @ 1:02 is wearing a Confederate Flag t-shirt?

To hide skinhead ink?

172 Gus  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:04:48pm

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

They're reacting to a trailer for the movie Robert Rodriguez put out that has Danny Trejio saying the people of Arizona "just fucked with the wrong Mexican". Of course, by freaking out they're reacting exactly as Rodriguez wants them to. He enjoys Wingnut Baiting.

I think the concept of fiction or movies is lost on them. There are antagonists and protagonists. Sometimes the protagonists or hero of a movie is what would be commonly seen as a villain in the real world. It's purely for escapism or entertainment. Think about Goodfellas or maybe even The Sopranos. In the real world we would detest such people yet through drama, acting, and writing, we found ourselves intrigued and admirers of people that were mafioso killers.

173 Killgore Trout  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:05:34pm

re: #171 Decatur Deb

To hide skinhead ink?

That's just about as plausible as anything I can think of.

174 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:06:05pm

re: #168 Ericus58

Well I just tried to quote someone but that didn't quite work. The battery life is actually good with an app. My first smart phone and I'm in awe.

I don't have a cell phone.. but last week, I made a few extra bucks on a small programming project from home, and I decided to treat myself, so, since the new Ipod Touch is coming out, I was able to find a 8 gig, 2nd generation for 168.00 at staples, which is not a bad price, just a few bucks more than reconditioned ones at Apple.

I can agree with you... I'm in awe... I love it. And the ability to connect to the internet using the WiFi is all I really need, and considering the availability of free WiFi hot spots, it's gold for me.

175 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:08:05pm

re: #10 reine.de.tout

And who is in charge of deciding what is or is not "desirable"?
Ugh.

I don't know, but you'd expect a man with Korean and Jewish ancestry would give that more than a passing thought.

176 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:08:14pm

re: #172 Gus 802

I think the concept of fiction or movies is lost on them. There are antagonists and protagonists. Sometimes the protagonists or hero of a movie is what would be commonly seen as a villain in the real world. It's purely for escapism or entertainment. Think about Goodfellas or maybe even The Sopranos. In the real world we would detest such people yet through drama, acting, and writing, we found ourselves intrigued and admirers of people that were mafioso killers.

I think they do understand the concept, but they are so locked into the "Hollywood is anti-American" meme that they cannot apply the concept as a practicality.

177 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:09:06pm

re: #19 darthstar

What about the GOP's "Young Guns" (average age 52)

I'm eligible to be a 'Young Jewish Leader' until I'm about forty-five, but only if I make a lot more money than I do at the moment.

178 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:09:49pm

re: #176 Dark_Falcon

I think they do understand the concept, but they are so locked into the "Hollywood is anti-American" meme that they cannot apply the concept as a practicality.

And, they are a tad racist, or at least race obsessed. (is there a difference?)

179 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:11:21pm

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've been white for 37 years and I still am not really sure what they mean by "white culture". I think it involves mayonaise and lutefisk maybe.

I'm not sure lutefisk is racially specific. I one knew a black guy who performed what he called 'the Happy Lutefisk Dance', although only for audiences that had donated money to his favorite causes. (This was an SCA thing, lest you think all my friends are totally insane. Wait. That may not help.)

180 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:11:53pm

re: #133 Dark_Falcon

I'm sorry this explanation merited a downding from you, Walter. I wasn't trying to praise Hitler at all. I'm sorry if it came off that way. How would you suggest I phrase my initial statement?

181 Gus  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:11:58pm

Film 101 for Wingnuts™

Antihero

In fiction, an antihero (sometimes antiheroine as feminine) is generally considered to be a protagonist whose character is at least in some regards conspicuously contrary to that of the archetypal hero, and is in some instances its antithesis. Some consider the word's meaning to be sufficiently broad as to additionally encompass the antagonist who (in contrast to the archetypal villain) elicits considerable sympathy or admiration. The term dates to 1714, although literary criticism identifies the trope in earlier literature...

182 brookly red  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:12:04pm

re: #178 Stanley Sea

And, they are a tad racist, or at least race obsessed. (is there a difference?)

race obsessed? let me think about that...

183 Lidane  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:12:48pm

re: #160 Dark_Falcon

They're reacting to a trailer for the movie Robert Rodriguez put out that has Danny Trejio saying the people of Arizona "just fucked with the wrong Mexican". Of course, by freaking out they're reacting exactly as Rodriguez wants them to. He enjoys Wingnut Baiting.

What's hilarious about the Machete uproar is that Robert Rodriguez wrote the script back in 1993, and filmed a fake trailer for it for the Grindhouse films, which came out in 2007. The storyline and everything were set in stone way before all the Arizona brouhaha.

I laughed when people freaked out about that trailer. He was provoking them and they fell for it. XD

184 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:12:50pm

re: #36 brookly red

I go to Russ & Daughters once a week... if you have to ask you will never understand :)

Are those the ones that light comes out of when you bite them?

185 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:13:04pm

re: #182 brookly red

race obsessed? let me think about that...

Not in the human rights way Brookly. In the "we've got problems way"

186 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:14:10pm

re: #157 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fucking asshole.

Well said.

187 brookly red  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:14:37pm

re: #184 SanFranciscoZionist

Are those the ones that light comes out of when you bite them?

they are state of the art...

188 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:15:24pm

re: #164 Charles

And D'Souza is also a shill for the Discovery Institute creationist think tank.

And Christopher Hitchen's sparring dummy.

189 brookly red  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:16:20pm

re: #185 Stanley Sea

Not in the human rights way Brookly. In the "we've got problems way"

I will take your word for it...

190 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:16:23pm

re: #183 Lidane

What's hilarious about the Machete uproar is that Robert Rodriguez wrote the script back in 1993, and filmed a fake trailer for it for the Grindhouse films, which came out in 2007. The storyline and everything were set in stone way before all the Arizona brouhaha.

I laughed when people freaked out about that trailer. He was provoking them and they fell for it. XD

It is very funny, I agree. It's good, all-American mischief on the part of Robert Rodriguez.

191 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:17:03pm

re: #59 engineer dog

our mother superior (yes, i was a token jewish kid at an episcopalian religious school) used to make the girls line up kneeling, and then she would sweep down the row and use a riding crop to tap the shoulder of any girl whose skirt didn't touch the floor

Episcopalians have Mothers Superior?

192 Walter L. Newton  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:17:39pm

re: #180 Dark_Falcon

I'm sorry this explanation merited a downding from you, Walter. I wasn't trying to praise Hitler at all. I'm sorry if it came off that way. How would you suggest I phrase my initial statement?

I would suggest we don't discuss it.

193 brookly red  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:17:59pm

re: #191 SanFranciscoZionist

Episcopalians have Mothers Superior?

why not? Wicca do...

194 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:18:58pm

re: #192 Walter L. Newton

I would suggest we don't discuss it.

As you wish. I am sorry I offended, and I'll leave it at that.

195 Ericus58  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:19:24pm

And now for something really amazing. I'm speaking to my phone and letting it type for me! And i only had to correct 1 word. Awesome !!

196 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:19:59pm

re: #191 SanFranciscoZionist

Episcopalians have Mothers Superior?

Some of the Very High Church Anglicans are so close to Rome they would only have to dip a toe in the Tiber.

197 brookly red  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:20:18pm

re: #195 Ericus58

And now for something really amazing. I'm speaking to my phone and letting it type for me! And i only had to correct 1 word. Awesome !!

would you ask it to bring me a beer?

198 engineer cat  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:21:01pm

re: #191 SanFranciscoZionist

Episcopalians have Mothers Superior?

indeed they do

community of the holy spirit, nyc

in my day, every one of these sisters had a bachelor's degree, and most had a master's

199 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:21:25pm

re: #195 Ericus58

And now for something really amazing. I'm speaking to my phone and letting it type for me! And i only had to correct 1 word. Awesome !!

You know they have people who do that. They used to be called secretaries.

200 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:21:40pm

re: #127 Killgore Trout

Let's not overlook the Jews pushed the Brits out of Israel too. The British (god bless them) have been thrown out of the finest countries on planet earth.

Great countries have been founded on people living in British colonies getting sick of the British. We should have a club.

201 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:22:46pm

re: #142 PT Barnum

my wife's curve died on her

That's utterly tragic.

202 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:22:56pm

re: #191 SanFranciscoZionist

Episcopalians have Mothers Superior?

It's not all that common, but not unheard of at the very high end of "High Church" Anglicanism. My Roman Catholic MiL feels very at home in our church here for similar reasons.

Give me those smells & bells :)

203 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:23:20pm

re: #148 Charles

Dinesh D'Souza tried to argue that Al Qaeda had a legitimate grievance against the US, because we've become a godless society prone to sin and sodomy.

Yes, but he's the sort of person who gets to say that without being considered a terrorist collaborator.

Except by me.

204 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:23:49pm

re: #200 SanFranciscoZionist

Great countries have been founded on people living in British colonies getting sick of the British. We should have a club.

We have a club, but we call it a "shillelagh".

205 Ericus58  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:23:51pm

You can have your beer after i have my martini!

206 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:24:11pm

re: #201 SanFranciscoZionist

That's utterly tragic.

It is. My wife still has all her yummy curves.

207 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:24:49pm

re: #204 Decatur Deb

We have a club, but we call it a "shillelagh".

Favorited!

208 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:25:18pm

re: #172 Gus 802

I think the concept of fiction or movies is lost on them. There are antagonists and protagonists. Sometimes the protagonists or hero of a movie is what would be commonly seen as a villain in the real world. It's purely for escapism or entertainment. Think about Goodfellas or maybe even The Sopranos. In the real world we would detest such people yet through drama, acting, and writing, we found ourselves intrigued and admirers of people that were mafioso killers.

I think Dexter is an amazing example of that. It's fairly creepy when you realize you are actively rooting for the cops not to uncover the serial killer's track.

209 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:27:09pm

re: #207 wlewisiii

Favorited!

In the 70s, the Army fielded a 151 mm TOW missile named "Shillelagh". They gave it up up because no one could spell it.

210 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:28:22pm

re: #203 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes, but he's the sort of person who gets to say that without being considered a terrorist collaborator.

Except by me.

He's nothing more than a woo-Meister selling snake oil to the gullible masses.

211 [deleted]  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:29:19pm
212 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:30:00pm

re: #208 SanFranciscoZionist

I think Dexter is an amazing example of that. It's fairly creepy when you realize you are actively rooting for the cops not to uncover the serial killer's track.

In some ways, Dexter Morgan is the latest in a long history of characters whose main cache' is that the can do what the Law cannot. Mickey Spillane's Mike Hammer was another such character. One trait Mike Hammer and Dexter have in common is that while both go outside the law and think it essential, both have a decent amount of respect for the police. They see themselves as the last line of justice.

213 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:32:12pm

re: #212 Dark_Falcon

In some ways, Dexter Morgan is the latest in a long history of characters whose main cache' is that the can do what the Law cannot. Mickey Spillane's Mike Hammer was another such character. One trait Mike Hammer and Dexter have in common is that while both go outside the law and think it essential, both have a decent amount of respect for the police. They see themselves as the last line of justice.

Well yes, but Dexter is actually a serial killer...

214 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:33:04pm

re: #211 memtiger

Bah-Bye.

215 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:33:32pm

re: #211 memtiger

Tolerant? Don't talk nonsense. If you could stand the comments before the Great Up-And-Changing, you can certainly stand it now. It's the opinions you don't like. Don't try to cutesy that up by pretending it's 'hate speech' to speak openly about these people.

216 palomino  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:33:35pm

re: #91 Dark_Falcon

Yamamoto, you morons. Geeze what a bunch of dolts. Not only are they bigoted but they forget the past so easily. Yamamoto and the IJN were their allies in that war.

/spits

And the "sleeping giant" was a lot different back in those days--much smaller (only half our current population) and culturally homogeneous by comparison.

More importantly, Park 51 doesn't equate to Pearl Harbor. 9/11 equated to Pearl Harbor. We responded to 9/11 in Afghanistan (and tangentially in Iraq). We don't need a further response in the form of domestic bigotry against American Muslims who have no connection to AQ.

217 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:34:07pm

re: #209 Decatur Deb

In the 70s, the Army fielded a 151 mm TOW missile named "Shillelagh". They gave it up up because no one could spell it.

There were 2 tanks that used it - the M551 Sheridan & the M60A2 which the tankers who suffered it called the "starship" because of it's frequently broken high tech gear. There were no tears shed when they were withdrawn from service shortly before I joined active duty. But I talked to many an older tanker who would still speak in awe of a main gun that could rock a 50 short ton tank back to the third road wheel on recoil. For reference there are 6 road wheels and occasionally the third one could lift off the ground.

End of DAT trivia dump.

218 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:35:15pm

re: #211 memtiger

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

219 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:35:47pm

re: #215 SanFranciscoZionist

Tolerant? Don't talk nonsense. If you could stand the comments before the Great Up-And-Changing, you can certainly stand it now. It's the opinions you don't like. Don't try to cutesy that up by pretending it's 'hate speech' to speak openly about these people.

Seriously.

220 b_sharp  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:36:33pm

re: #213 SanFranciscoZionist

Well yes, but Dexter is actually a serial killer...

He's a serial vigilante.

He's a psychopathic Judge Roy Bean with a synthetic conscience.

221 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:42:55pm

re: #211 memtiger

Flounce!

222 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:43:19pm

re: #148 Charles

Dinesh D'Souza tried to argue that Al Qaeda had a legitimate grievance against the US, because we've become a godless society prone to sin and sodomy.


So . . . he's joined them, eh?
Good grief.

223 Kragar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:44:29pm

re: #211 memtiger

4 comments in 2+ years, you will be missed.

224 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:45:13pm

re: #217 wlewisiii

There were 2 tanks that used it - the M551 Sheridan & the M60A2 which the tankers who suffered it called the "starship" because of it's frequently broken high tech gear. There were no tears shed when they were withdrawn from service shortly before I joined active duty. But I talked to many an older tanker who would still speak in awe of a main gun that could rock a 50 short ton tank back to the third road wheel on recoil. For reference there are 6 road wheels and occasionally the third one could lift off the ground.

End of DAT trivia dump.

Cool. I knew about those two tanks but I never knew those facts about the M60A2. Thank you.

225 Kronocide  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:46:08pm

re: #211 memtiger

I'm not sure I understand... you want an enema?

226 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:46:14pm

The kooks are unusually worked up today.

227 Kragar  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:47:08pm

re: #226 Charles

The kooks are unusually worked up today.

First day of real press coverage since the Saturday rallies?

228 jaunte  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:47:16pm

re: #211 memtiger

- If you tolerate bigots the postings and comments here might hurt your feelings.
- Don't worry, you won't have a political future, if this is all you can muster in the way of debate.
-Subscriber is spelled with a b.

229 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:51:10pm

re: #215 SanFranciscoZionist

Tolerant? Don't talk nonsense. If you could stand the comments before the Great Up-And-Changing, you can certainly stand it now. It's the opinions you don't like. Don't try to cutesy that up by pretending it's 'hate speech' to speak openly about these people.

Amen.
I find some of the comments painful, probably much in the same way you did before the Great-Up-And-Changing.

It's what "scroll" was made for.

230 reine.de.tout  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:51:58pm

re: #228 jaunte

- If you tolerate bigots the postings and comments here might hurt your feelings.
- Don't worry, you won't have a political future, if this is all you can muster in the way of debate.
-Subscriber is spelled with a b.

If he'd actually really been a real subscriber, he would have known that.

231 engineer cat  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:54:22pm

Former Suscriber

i suggest an etymology involving:

Wild boar (Sus scrofa) is a species of pig (including many subspecies)

232 William Barnett-Lewis  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 7:55:36pm

re: #224 Dark_Falcon

Cool. I knew about those two tanks but I never knew those facts about the M60A2. Thank you.

Here's one other tidbit the books don't tell you:
No one fired the 152mm gun rounds off center line. On the Sheridan, it was suicide (the gun recoil could/would roll the tank over). I never heard of a Starship rolling, but the tankers always were afraid that it could. In combat you could need to fire on a hillside, for example, and that would be that. Now you could fire the missile anywhere in the turrets rotation but it had other major flaws which are well documented. Don't fire over a body of water for example :eek:

233 Eclectic Infidel  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:04:01pm

Whoa. Couple of "friends" on FaceBook decided to 86 me for having the audacity to supported Park 51.

234 Dark_Falcon  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 8:14:39pm

re: #232 wlewisiii

Here's one other tidbit the books don't tell you:
No one fired the 152mm gun rounds off center line. On the Sheridan, it was suicide (the gun recoil could/would roll the tank over). I never heard of a Starship rolling, but the tankers always were afraid that it could. In combat you could need to fire on a hillside, for example, and that would be that. Now you could fire the missile anywhere in the turrets rotation but it had other major flaws which are well documented. Don't fire over a body of water for example :eek:

That part I believe. Some of my books say the recoil was so hard it damaged the fire controls on Sheridan tanks. The only plus was that the 152mm canister round was purely murderous against infantry.

235 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 9:23:49pm

re: #233 eclectic infidel

Whoa. Couple of "friends" on FaceBook decided to 86 me for having the audacity to supported Park 51.

Amazing where tolerance has taken us. Feel for you, hopefully you can turn their closed minds?

236 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 9:36:25pm

re: #233 eclectic infidel

Whoa. Couple of "friends" on FaceBook decided to 86 me for having the audacity to supported Park 51.

Hey, now you know where they stand!

237 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 9:37:19pm

re: #122 reine.de.tout

No, not all of us.

Just the ones running the Republican party

238 Hector1980  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 9:43:08pm

I don't really like this site, in its way, it's a lot like a bizarro version of Jihadwatch, but the videos are genuine:

[Link: www.loonwatch.com...]

239 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 13, 2010 9:44:44pm

re: #233 eclectic infidel

Whoa. Couple of "friends" on FaceBook decided to 86 me for having the audacity to supported Park 51.

No one I know, I hope?

240 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 12:16:20am

re: #27 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've been white for 37 years and I still am not really sure what they mean by "white culture". I think it involves mayonaise and lutefisk maybe.

You forgot the Wonder Bread.

241 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 12:20:30am

re: #67 brookly red

/somebody has to keep the books...

Love it. I was the one resident Jewish student at a Catholic college, and I'm an accountant.

242 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 12:37:07am

re: #233 eclectic infidel

Whoa. Couple of "friends" on FaceBook decided to 86 me for having the audacity to supported Park 51.

Those aren't the kind of friends you need.

re: #71 Lidane

Wow. Just...wow. What a pathetic, small-minded little man.

On the other hand, there's this:

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

I think I'll take the words of that poem instead.

But...but..it can't be in any way artistic or valid. It was written by one of them Joos! And a woomun at that!

re: #92 brookly red

I believe the word was giant, not beast...

"I fear that we have awakened a sleeping giant."

re: #127 Killgore Trout

Let's not overlook the Jews pushed the Brits out of Israel too. The British (god bless them) have been thrown out of the finest countries on planet earth.

And some real sh**holes, too. Not as bad as some of the French colonies, but some bad places.


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