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1 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:15:10pm

The denialists will use whichever measure supports their nonsense the best, whether it is area, extent or volume.

2 Kragar  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:15:58pm

Who has time for this when we have a Muslim from Kenya in the White House?
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We're so screwed.

3 darthstar  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:17:51pm

There was a good diary on dKos today about thousands of Walruses beaching themselves on the mainland due to lack of ice flow for hunting grounds...about 10,000 of them. It's thought there are another 60,000 to 80,000 nearby just swimming.

4 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:19:21pm

if things go the way it looks,it's gonna be a while before we seriously address this.sad thing is,getting ourselves off oil and onto alternatives is better for the nation.(regardless of whether one believes in agw or not)

5 Interesting Times  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:19:42pm

In the market for a new car? If I were, I think I'd go with the electric Nissan LEAF based on this ad alone - kudos to a corporation for doing the right thing on the climate change issue for once:

Youtube Video
6 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:22:19pm

And at the opposite end of the planet...

PARIS (AFP) - – Estimates of the rate of ice loss from Greenland and West Antarctica, one of the most worrying questions in the global warming debate, should be halved, according to Dutch and US scientists.

""The corrections for deformations of the Earth's crust have a considerable effect on the amount of ice that is estimated to be melting each year," said Vermeersen, whose team worked with NASA's Jet Propulsation Laboratory and the Netherlands Institute for Space Research."

7 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:24:52pm

This was a very good video.

I can only imagine when the TP'ers watch it, they will demand changes in the Navy's Oceanographic office.

Scientists will have to be replaced with climate change deniers.

8 avanti  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:24:57pm

Tea party defeats the RINO in Delaware, will the Democrats send Palin a thank you card ?

9 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:26:46pm

re: #6 Walter L. Newton

And at the opposite end of the planet...

PARIS (AFP) - – Estimates of the rate of ice loss from Greenland and West Antarctica, one of the most worrying questions in the global warming debate, should be halved, according to Dutch and US scientists.

""The corrections for deformations of the Earth's crust have a considerable effect on the amount of ice that is estimated to be melting each year," said Vermeersen, whose team worked with NASA's Jet Propulsation Laboratory and the Netherlands Institute for Space Research."

Even adjusting for the new numbers, the figures are pretty impressive.

10 darthstar  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:26:58pm

re: #8 avanti

Tea party defeats the RINO in Delaware, will the Democrats send Palin a thank you card ?

And LaMontaigne winning in NH too...Another gift to the Dems.

11 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:27:05pm

re: #6 Walter L. Newton

And at the opposite end of the planet...

PARIS (AFP) - – Estimates of the rate of ice loss from Greenland and West Antarctica, one of the most worrying questions in the global warming debate, should be halved, according to Dutch and US scientists.

""The corrections for deformations of the Earth's crust have a considerable effect on the amount of ice that is estimated to be melting each year," said Vermeersen, whose team worked with NASA's Jet Propulsation Laboratory and the Netherlands Institute for Space Research."

I'm not sure that article helps the denialists at all.

12 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:27:22pm

re: #8 avanti

Tea party defeats the RINO in Delaware, will the Democrats send Palin a thank you card ?

They ought to.

Morons.

13 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:28:09pm

re: #11 b_sharp

I'm not sure that article helps the denialists at all.

Er... where did I state that the article was intended to support AGW denialist?

14 Boondock St. Bender  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:28:23pm

re: #5 publicityStunted

i think one of the elephants in the room that noone really talks about,is the distance many folks drive daily.i work 2.4 miles from my house,when the weather is nice i ride my bike.but even if i drove a hemi-charger,or a hummer,i would use less gas and create less pollution than someone in a prius doing an eighty mile round trip commute.

15 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:28:51pm

LGF Pages (the individual pages with comments) now have a new look - similar to the posts on the front page, with the author's byline at the top under the title.

(I noticed that some people were wrongly attributing Pages to me, probably because the author's name was at the bottom of the post where it could be easily missed. This should fix that, and let you properly get the credit for any Pages you post.)

I also removed the light green background and rounded corners from the individual pages, and changed some other things about the font styling to get things more consistent.

If you click the user's icon, the Profile window pops up. If you click their username, you go to their LGF Pages and see everything they've posted.

16 avanti  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:29:17pm

re: #10 darthstar

And LaMontaigne winning in NH too...Another gift to the Dems.

According to 538.com, that cuts the GOP's chances of capturing the Senate from, 1 in 3, to 1 in 6.

17 Kragar  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:29:59pm

re: #8 avanti

Tea party defeats the RINO in Delaware, will the Democrats send Palin a thank you card ?

How about a video to celebrate her nomination?

Youtube Video
18 tradewind  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:30:04pm

re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
No, no, you misunderstood. That was a reference to Kenyon College. So a compliment , really. Helluva swim team.

19 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:30:18pm

re: #6 Walter L. Newton

And at the opposite end of the planet...

PARIS (AFP) - – Estimates of the rate of ice loss from Greenland and West Antarctica, one of the most worrying questions in the global warming debate, should be halved, according to Dutch and US scientists.

""The corrections for deformations of the Earth's crust have a considerable effect on the amount of ice that is estimated to be melting each year," said Vermeersen, whose team worked with NASA's Jet Propulsation Laboratory and the Netherlands Institute for Space Research."

The GRACE satellites measure mass not rebound. If the ocean level is changing as much as it is, without as much help from melting as first thought, then the oceans are warming faster than thought.

20 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:31:14pm

re: #13 Walter L. Newton

Er... where did I state that the article was intended to support AGW denialist?

Where did I say you did?

21 darthstar  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:33:26pm

re: #16 avanti

According to 538.com, that cuts the GOP's chances of capturing the Senate from, 1 in 3, to 1 in 6.

There are two things Nate Silver knows. Baseball and elections. I'm happy.

22 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:34:38pm

re: #15 Charles

LGF Pages (the individual pages with comments) now have a new look - similar to the posts on the front page, with the author's byline at the top under the title.

(I noticed that some people were wrongly attributing Pages to me, probably because the author's name was at the bottom of the post where it could be easily missed. This should fix that, and let you properly get the credit for any Pages you post.)

I also removed the light green background and rounded corners from the individual pages, and changed some other things about the font styling to get things more consistent.

If you click the user's icon, the Profile window pops up. If you click their username, you go to their LGF Pages and see everything they've posted.

Looks great!

23 Interesting Times  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:35:18pm

re: #8 avanti

Tea party defeats the RINO in Delaware, will the Democrats send Palin a thank you card ?

You've simply got to hand it to anti-masturbation candidate Christine O'Donnell. Her campaign was like a slick, well-lubricated instrument that thoroughly spanked her opponent and beat him right off the ballot. Teabaggers everywhere will surely rub this in, and it will be interesting to see the climax to her campaign come November.

24 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:35:20pm

Should I allow profile viewing for non-registered readers? Discuss.

25 freetoken  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:35:26pm

re: #15 Charles

I just noticed that with a new Page I put up. It surprised me for a second until I realized what was going on.

26 freetoken  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:36:00pm

re: #24 Charles

It wouldn't bother me in the least, but then again I have no personal information in there.

27 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:36:04pm

re: #24 Charles

Should I allow profile viewing for non-registered readers? Discuss.

It may encourage the few fence sitters to get onboard.

28 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:36:41pm

re: #24 Charles

Should I allow profile viewing for non-registered readers? Discuss.

Ok.. with me... I need all the PR I can pimp...

29 freetoken  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:37:07pm

It's a good video by Sinclair, though I wonder if later we'll have someone come in here and claim because this year's total ice is not less than 2007's then that means the Arctic ice is "rebounding".

30 What, me worry?  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:37:08pm

re: #24 Charles

Should I allow profile viewing for non-registered readers? Discuss.

That's just your karma basically? and a quick search of your comments?

Eh, I'll vote no. Make them work for it!

31 Kragar  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:37:10pm

re: #24 Charles

Should I allow profile viewing for non-registered readers? Discuss.

Might allow some trolls and stalkers information more readily if people put too much info in their profile.

32 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:37:13pm

re: #3 darthstar

There was a good diary on dKos today about thousands of Walruses beaching themselves on the mainland due to lack of ice flow for hunting grounds...about 10,000 of them. It's thought there are another 60,000 to 80,000 nearby just swimming.

Here's some info:

[Link: www.onearth.org...]

33 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:37:18pm

re: #28 Walter L. Newton

Ok.. with me... I need all the PR I can pimp...



NOW you're concerned about PR??
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34 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:38:16pm

re: #23 publicityStunted

You've simply got to hand it to anti-masturbation candidate Christine O'Donnell. Her campaign was like a slick, well-lubricated instrument that thoroughly spanked her opponent and beat him right off the ballot. Teabaggers everywhere will surely rub this in, and it will be interesting to see the climax to her campaign come November.

Hahaha, multiple entendre.
-Phil Ken Sebben

35 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:38:50pm

re: #33 researchok


NOW you're concerned about PR??
//

What? I'm always self promoting... what do you mean "now?" That doesn't make any sense what so ever.

36 b_sharp  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:38:54pm

re: #31 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Might allow some trolls and stalkers information more readily if people put too much info in their profile.

I put a scratch-n-sniff of my stinky feet on my profile.

37 freetoken  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:38:59pm

re: #6 Walter L. Newton

There is irony associated with that story. Of course the denialists jumped on it right away, as if it suddenly disproved AGW. However, that paper also confirmed that East Antarctica is losing ice, something many denialists were sure wasn't happening.

38 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:39:19pm

re: #34 Varek Raith

Hahaha, multiple entendre.
-Phil Ken Sebben

"Ha" comprises about 35% of the total comment text space on Kos tonight.

39 A Man for all Seasons  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:39:43pm

re: #24 Charles

Should I allow profile viewing for non-registered readers? Discuss.

I believe we are all good...email security is rock solid here...

40 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:39:48pm

re: #24 Charles

No, stalkers is stalkers. Nasty things they are!

41 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:41:28pm

I cannot believe O'Donnel won in DE.

The right has Palin/birthers and the left has the troofers.

School vouchers are a good idea.

42 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:41:44pm

re: #24 Charles

Should I allow profile viewing for non-registered readers? Discuss.

I would prefer not. My nic contains enough info that, with my posts over time, someone could make a pretty good guess of what I do, where I work, where I live, and who I am.

That info was meant for Lizards, not the Stalker Site.

Just my $.02.

43 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:42:03pm

There's no security issue, most of our passionate fans have been/are registered.

44 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:42:47pm

re: #40 Floral Giraffe

No, stalkers is stalkers. Nasty things they are!

I'm not sure. I'm slowly acquiring followers on twitter and I have no idea who these people are. Maybe they click on a tweet, search previous articles, poke around a bit and then decide they want to register on LGF. It might help people feel at home if they get to explore some more.

45 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:42:52pm

re: #37 freetoken

People who immediately jump on news like that as though it somehow casts doubt on AGW are about as funny as the people who think that scientists somehow failed to account for the warming effect of the sun or people who were absolutely convinced there was something shady up at CRU despite all the evidence to the contrary.

46 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:42:52pm

re: #35 Walter L. Newton

What? I'm always self promoting... what do you mean "now?" That doesn't make any sense what so ever.

I was kidding, Walter.

I was just thinking of the rough time you get from time to time.

After today, I can relate.

47 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:43:42pm

re: #41 researchok

I cannot believe O'Donnel won in DE.

The right has Palin/birthers and the left has the troofers.

School vouchers are a good idea.

Can you name a 'troofer' who is actually a Democratic elected official, please?

48 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:44:08pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

I'm not sure. I'm slowly acquiring followers on twitter and I have no idea who these people are. Maybe they click on a tweet, search previous articles, poke around a bit and then decide they want to register on LGF. It might help people feel at home if they get to explore some more.

Strange that you say that.

Same thing here- and it isn't as if I'm a major tweeter/re tweeter.

49 Reginald Perrin  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:44:32pm

re: #47 Obdicut

Can you name a 'troofer' who is actually a Democratic elected official, please?

Or one that was nominated to run for the senate?

50 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:44:54pm

re: #46 researchok

I was kidding, Walter.

I was just thinking of the rough time you get from time to time.

After today, I can relate.

Now what have you done?

51 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:45:02pm

OT: I think I've figured out why mushrooms are sometimes called toadstools. I've noticed my frogs like to hang out at night by the 'shrooms waiting for the slugs to show up.

52 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:45:05pm

Whoa. Just launched tweetdeck for the first time all day (been coding), and look at all the angry wingnut bloggers saying mean things about me. Imagine my pain.

53 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:45:16pm

re: #47 Obdicut

Can you name a 'troofer' who is actually a Democratic elected official, please?

Cynthia Mckinney.

Of course, there are far fewer elected lunatics in the Dem column.

I for one hope it stays that way. All we need is lunacy on both side of the aisle.

54 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:45:49pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout

I'm not sure. I'm slowly acquiring followers on twitter and I have no idea who these people are. Maybe they click on a tweet, search previous articles, poke around a bit and then decide they want to register on LGF. It might help people feel at home if they get to explore some more.

I do NOT think they are "friends" in the sense that you mean the word....

55 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:45:56pm

re: #50 Decatur Deb

Now what have you done?

LOLOL

56 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:46:04pm

re: #48 researchok

Strange that you say that.

Same thing here- and it isn't as if I'm a major tweeter/re tweeter.

Same with me. I'm only good for a few tweets a day but I get a new follower or two every week.

57 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:46:28pm

re: #50 Decatur Deb

Now what have you done?

Has to do with the previous post.

58 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:46:54pm

re: #53 researchok

Cynthia Mckinney.

Of course, there are far fewer elected lunatics in the Dem column.

I for one hope it stays that way. All we need is lunacy on both side of the aisle.

"Is" means 'in the present tense', not 'in the past'. Cynthia McKinney is not an elected Democrat.

Can you name an elected Democrat who is a troofer?

Do you know how many GOP members are birthers?


Reject the Magical Balance Fairy.

59 prairiefire  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:47:04pm

re: #53 researchok

Cynthia Mckinney.

Of course, there are far fewer elected lunatics in the Dem column.

I for one hope it stays that way. All we need is lunacy on both side of the aisle.

She is long gone.

60 tradewind  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:47:19pm

re: #44 Killgore Trout
Every one with a Twitter acct has follower requests from unknown twitspammers daily.... you don't just approve them do you?
Resist the Advertising Industrial Complex.

61 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:47:43pm

re: #56 Killgore Trout

Same with me. I'm only good for a few tweets a day but I get a new follower or two every week.

I hear that. I get one every couple of days, maybe 3-4 a week

62 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:48:05pm

re: #52 Charles

LOL! Of course they're angry!
You aren't following THEIR party line!
(Whatever that is!)

63 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:48:30pm

re: #59 prairiefire

She is long gone.

In more than one way.

64 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:49:10pm

re: #60 tradewind

Every one with a Twitter acct has follower requests from unknown twitspammers daily... you don't just approve them do you?
Resist the Advertising Industrial Complex.

I have changed my Twitter and Facebook security settings from "Have never joined" to "Will never join".

65 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:49:57pm

re: #62 Floral Giraffe

LOL! Of course they're angry!
You aren't following THEIR party line!
(Whatever that is!)

No shit. Look what he just posted at the top of the thread.

TP heads go splodey.

66 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:50:30pm

re: #58 Obdicut

"Is" means 'in the present tense', not 'in the past'. Cynthia McKinney is not an elected Democrat.

Can you name an elected Democrat who is a troofer?

Do you know how many GOP members are birthers?

Reject the Magical Balance Fairy.

So, I want to apply for the "magical balance fairy " job.
Do I have to apply? Where? It sounds like a great gig!
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67 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:51:18pm

re: #57 researchok

Has to do with the previous post.

Ah.

68 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:51:28pm

re: #58 Obdicut

"Is" means 'in the present tense', not 'in the past'. Cynthia McKinney is not an elected Democrat.

Can you name an elected Democrat who is a troofer?

Do you know how many GOP members are birthers?

Reject the Magical Balance Fairy.

OK, Kucinich.

See this

69 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:51:44pm

Golden Elixir: The Ultimate Chicken Stock

I'll have to try this recipe with the vinegar. I've noticed that if you stretch the cooking time too long (more than 8 hours) the carrots and onions start to convert to sugars and the broth tastes too sweet. Maybe the vinegar counteracts that.

70 tradewind  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:51:48pm

re: #64 Decatur Deb
It's not a problem. You just select ' protect my tweets ' and dump any follower requests if you don't want 'em. I use Twitter as a concise way to follow news sites I'd never have time to read or even scan, but I've never sent out one of those ' just made lemon panne cotta, yumm! ' tweets, and never will.

71 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:52:36pm

re: #58 Obdicut

"Is" means 'in the present tense', not 'in the past'. Cynthia McKinney is not an elected Democrat.

Can you name an elected Democrat who is a troofer?

Do you know how many GOP members are birthers?

Reject the Magical Balance Fairy.

I made no balance reference- just the opposite.

72 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:53:32pm

re: #70 tradewind

Don't need social network sites--they still allow saloons in our town.

73 darthstar  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:53:51pm

re: #24 Charles

Should I allow profile viewing for non-registered readers? Discuss.

Right now, if you look at my profile, you can't see my house behind me...let me drop another 40lbs first.
/

74 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:54:06pm

re: #66 Floral Giraffe

You have to be able to look at 17 GOP members of Congress who are birthers or birther-enablers and say that that is equal to with one ex-Democratic representative who was primaried out of her seat.

Can you manage that?

[Link: www.salon.com...]

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

75 darthstar  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:56:05pm

re: #68 researchok

OK, Kucinich.

See this

Kucinich fuckin' rocks! He's probably the only true progressive in congress, and he's got a hot wife.

76 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:56:23pm

re: #68 researchok

Supporting a 9/11 investigation and alleging Bush covered up an intelligence failure and did not admit how much their focus was not on terrorism is in no way being a truther.

At all.

A 'troofer' is someone who believes the US government actually planned and carried out the attacks.

77 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:56:27pm

re: #75 darthstar

Kucinich fuckin' rocks! He's probably the only true progressive in congress, and he's got a hot wife.

I agree with wife part.

78 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:57:37pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Let us know!
I envy your cooking tests!

79 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:57:41pm

Wow. Carl Paladino is winning the GOP nomination, despite his well-documented racism, misogyny, and insanity.

Why I'll never vote Republican again. The crazies are in charge.

80 Dancing along the light of day  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:58:24pm

re: #74 Obdicut

I can, but try!

81 freetoken  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:58:26pm

In 2008 O' Donnell got 132942 (out of roughly 398,000 cast) votes running against Biden. She got 30561 in this primary.

In the last midterm senate election in DE, in 2006, the vote total was about 243,000, or roughly 122,000 were needed to win (the Dem won with 170567 votes.)

With 30,000 true believers already in her pocket, and assuming the turn out is similar to 2006, will O'Donnell be able to pick up another 92,000 or so supporters?

If the turnout is like 2008 - unlikely but perhaps the fame of this story will cause it to be so - she has to make up a 117,000 vote deficit.

No wonder the pundits are already putting Delaware in the (D).

Palin endorsed O'Donnell. Undoubtedly The Sarah will campaign for her. Can The Sarah save O'Donnell?

82 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:58:29pm

re: #76 Obdicut

Same can be said of some of the lunatic birthers!

They just want to see the BC (or so they say).

83 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:59:01pm

re: #81 freetoken

In 2008 O' Donnell got 132942 (out of roughly 398,000 cast) votes running against Biden. She got 30561 in this primary.

In the last midterm senate election in DE, in 2006, the vote total was about 243,000, or roughly 122,000 were needed to win (the Dem won with 170567 votes.)

With 30,000 true believers already in her pocket, and assuming the turn out is similar to 2006, will O'Donnell be able to pick up another 92,000 or so supporters?

If the turnout is like 2008 - unlikely but perhaps the fame of this story will cause it to be so - she has to make up a 117,000 vote deficit.

No wonder the pundits are already putting Delaware in the (D).

Palin endorsed O'Donnell. Undoubtedly The Sarah will campaign for her. Can The Sarah save O'Donnell?

Not a chance in hell.

84 darthstar  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 6:59:11pm

re: #79 Charles

Wow. Carl Paladino is winning the GOP nomination, despite his well-documented racism, misogyny, and insanity.

Why I'll never vote Republican again. The crazies are in charge.

They're only in charge of the primaries. I'm looking forward to the GOP narrative in November if they don't pick up a majority in either house. It'll probably be, "We need to get even crazier!" (ACORN! is no longer a valid argument)

85 darthstar  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:00:30pm

re: #81 freetoken

Can The Sarah save O'Donnell?

Besides Sarah and O'Donnell herself, is there anyone who actually WANTS this?

86 freetoken  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:01:21pm

re: #79 Charles

Combined with the Delaware results, it looks like the non-radical, non-populists Republicans just aren't turning out to support the more reasonable candidates.

Can we take this as a sign that "the center" will abandon the GOP?

87 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:01:28pm

re: #82 researchok

Same can be said of some of the lunatic birthers!

They just want to see the BC (or so they say).

No. The comparison is not in the least bit apt. It is incredibly weird that you think it is.

There is not a single reason why anyone should doubt Obama was born in the US. At all.

There are plenty of reasons to investigate the intelligence failure that led to 9/11.

You are conflating 9/11 truthers with people who think that the Bush administration ignored warnings that Bin Laden was determined to strike, and ignored other warnings about an imminent attack.

That is bizarre.

Again: there are 17 current GOP members of congress-- let alone the depressingly huge numbers of GOP voters-- who are birthers.

Reject the Magical Balance Fairy.

Look at who is winning the GOP primaries.

Cynthia McKinney went nuts and got primaried out.

GOP members are going nuts and getting primaried in.

88 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:01:45pm

Evening lizards!

89 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:02:38pm

re: #87 Obdicut

No. The comparison is not in the least bit apt. It is incredibly weird that you think it is.

There is not a single reason why anyone should doubt Obama was born in the US. At all.

There are plenty of reasons to investigate the intelligence failure that led to 9/11.

You are conflating 9/11 truthers with people who think that the Bush administration ignored warnings that Bin Laden was determined to strike, and ignored other warnings about an imminent attack.

That is bizarre.

Again: there are 17 current GOP members of congress-- let alone the depressingly huge numbers of GOP voters-- who are birthers.

Reject the Magical Balance Fairy.

Look at who is winning the GOP primaries.

Cynthia McKinney went nuts and got primaried out.

GOP members are going nuts and getting primaried in.

Ahem.
NO U!
;)

90 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:02:46pm

re: #68 researchok

OK, Kucinich.

See this

If I captured his whole statement, it just said:

"Current Democratic Congressman Dennis Kucinich hints that we aren't being told the truth about 9/11"

I generally assume that politicians, even my favorite Croatian leprechaun, never tell us the whole truth about anything. We can't handle the truth.

91 darthstar  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:04:01pm

re: #90 Decatur Deb

If I captured his whole statement, it just said:

"Current Democratic Congressman Dennis Kucinich hints that we aren't being told the truth about 9/11"

I generally assume that politicians, even my favorite Croatian leprechaun, never tell us the whole truth about anything. We can't handle the truth.

Yes, but Kucinich didn't lick Bush's boots, which is the equivalent to being a troofer, to the more extreme sect.

92 engineer cat  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:05:05pm

can the GOP survive this evening's results?

we report, you decide

93 Kragar  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:05:28pm

re: #92 engineer dog

can the GOP survive this evening's results?

we report, you decide

I hope not

94 kirkspencer  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:05:33pm

re: #68 researchok

OK, Kucinich.

See this

If you chase through all the claims of that site of what Kucinich said till you get to what he ACTUALLY said, you get this:

I want to call to the attention of the House the juxtaposition of two news stories. One [..] relating to 9/11. It says 'Federal officials where repeatedly warned in the months before the September 11, 2001 terror attacks that Osama bin Laden and Al-Queda were planning aircraft hijacking suicide attempts according to a new report that the Bush administration had been repressing'. And this from the front page of the Washington post, 'a newly leaked video recording the high level government deliberation the day before Katrina hit shows disaster officials infatically warning President bush that the storm posed a catastrophic threat to new Orleans and the gulf coast, and a grim faced bush personally assuring state leaders that his administration was fully prepared [..] to help'.

Do we see a pattern here? 9/11? Katrina? They knew something was going to happen and they didn't act. They knew that if they went into Iraq that we were looking at a disaster, that there was no way we were going to be able to run that country. They know that global climate change poses a threat to the entire planet, nothing is being done, a pattern of recklessness, indifference, callousness. The implications are deadly for the people of the United States.

I don't think that's what the truthers are saying.

95 Gus  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:05:47pm

Tuktoyaktuk!

I'm sure this will get the usual dead thread trolls. You bet ya'!

96 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:06:04pm

re: #91 darthstar

Kucinich has some fruit-loop beliefs. I like him domestically but his foreign policy is silly.

His condemnation of the raid on the Gaza flotilla was just eye-rollingly tiresome.

I like Weiner.

97 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:06:05pm

re: #42 austin_blue

I would prefer not. My nic contains enough info that, with my posts over time, someone could make a pretty good guess of what I do, where I work, where I live, and who I am.

That info was meant for Lizards, not the Stalker Site.

Just my $.02.

I agree.

98 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:07:27pm

re: #16 avanti

According to 538.com, that cuts the GOP's chances of capturing the Senate from, 1 in 3, to 1 in 6.

Wah waaah

99 recusancy  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:07:52pm

re: #86 freetoken

Combined with the Delaware results, it looks like the non-radical, non-populists Republicans just aren't turning out to support the more reasonable candidates.

Can we take this as a sign that "the center" will abandon the GOP?

[Link: twitter.com...]

100 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:08:11pm

re: #68 researchok

OK, Kucinich.

See this

you are such a wingnut

101 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:08:19pm

re: #78 Floral Giraffe

Let us know!
I envy your cooking tests!

I'm roasting a bird tomorrow so I'll make broth this weekend. I'll let you know.

102 celticdragon  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:08:21pm

re: #47 Obdicut

Can you name a 'troofer' who is actually a Democratic elected official, please?

Cynthia McKinney...but she is gone.

103 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:09:11pm

re: #87 Obdicut


There are plenty of reasons to investigate the intelligence failure that led to 9/11.

You are conflating 9/11 truthers with people who think that the Bush administration ignored warnings that Bin Laden was determined to strike, and ignored other warnings about an imminent attack.

That is bizarre.

Nuts. The truthers believe the US government bombed the WTC and fired a missile into the Pentagon. Now THAT is bizarre.

104 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:09:14pm

re: #87 Obdicut

No. The comparison is not in the least bit apt. It is incredibly weird that you think it is.

There is not a single reason why anyone should doubt Obama was born in the US. At all.

There are plenty of reasons to investigate the intelligence failure that led to 9/11.

You are conflating 9/11 truthers with people who think that the Bush administration ignored warnings that Bin Laden was determined to strike, and ignored other warnings about an imminent attack.

That is bizarre.

Again: there are 17 current GOP members of congress-- let alone the depressingly huge numbers of GOP voters-- who are birthers.

Reject the Magical Balance Fairy.

Look at who is winning the GOP primaries.

Cynthia McKinney went nuts and got primaried out.

GOP members are going nuts and getting primaried in.

I have made clear there is no balance fairy, I agree much of the GOP has gone off the rails. I've said that three times now.

Now, I don't care what kind of investigations into 9/11 people want. Is there more to 9/11 than meets the eye? Probably? Did Bush do this intentionally? Well, if anyone believes that we did this to ourselves, they are nuts- and that is what many of the investigation proponents are saying.

That is about as relevant as the birthers wanting an investigation into Obamas birth certificate, place of birth, etc.

105 recusancy  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:09:18pm

re: #96 Obdicut

Kucinich has some fruit-loop beliefs. I like him domestically but his foreign policy is silly.

His condemnation of the raid on the Gaza flotilla was just eye-rollingly tiresome.

I like Weiner.

Weiner's awesome but he was a coward on the Coat Factory controversy. Everyone's got their pluses and minuses.

106 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:09:26pm

re: #85 darthstar

Besides Sarah and O'Donnell herself, is there anyone who actually WANTS this?

Yes. Her voters.

107 engineer cat  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:09:27pm

freepers reporting this but i can't find a transcript yet:

Did anyone catch Rove on Hannity? This was the most disgraceful performance I have ever seen. Rove was exposed as a beltway elite RINO. He absolutely trashed Christine. And she had already won. Totally uncalled for. Hannity was stunned. Nothing but sour grapes.

108 cliffster  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:10:11pm

Just saw someone actually use the abbreviation "LMBO" instead of "LMAO". Prudish to the end.

109 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:10:28pm

re: #100 WindUpBird

you are such a wingnut

Am I a racist as well?

110 darthstar  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:10:41pm

re: #96 Obdicut

Kucinich has some fruit-loop beliefs. I like him domestically but his foreign policy is silly.

His condemnation of the raid on the Gaza flotilla was just eye-rollingly tiresome.

I like Weiner.


His foreign policy position is pretty straight forward. He advocates speaking to every side equally. I know a lot of people disagree with that (and it's an emotional issue, so let's not let it take over the thread by getting into it).

I think Weiner's a great person to have in Washington, though I don't think I'd phrase it exactly as you did. :)

111 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:11:02pm

re: #97 reine.de.tout

I agree.

Thank you, Reine.

Is the Roi back home?

112 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:11:41pm

re: #107 engineer dog

freepers reporting this but i can't find a transcript yet:

Did anyone catch Rove on Hannity? This was the most disgraceful performance I have ever seen. Rove was exposed as a beltway elite RINO. He absolutely trashed Christine. And she had already won. Totally uncalled for. Hannity was stunned. Nothing but sour grapes.

I'd be pretty sour too!
I mean, the Tea Party has just guaranteed a loss in Delaware.

113 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:12:10pm

My nerves are shot.

I just checked my Facebook, and my husband's uncle had left a grammatically weird message I took to mean that my MIL2 had passed.

My husband is, thank God, napping. I phoned my SIL. Got machine. I phoned MIL1, who had to be reminded who I was, but when she woke up a little more told me that MIL2 is still in hospice care, is regressing to childhood, and yesterday agreed to eat a little. I let her go back to sleep.

What the fuck? What the fuck? What the fuck?

Is MIL1 just hallucinating? Surely to God if her partner had died we would have gotten something other than:

(SFZ) this (Husband's Name) Uncle (Uncle's Name). Tell (MIL2) is gone

What the FUCK! What do I SAY when my husband wakes up?

114 blueraven  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:12:20pm

Wow. I cant believe O'Donnell won the Delaware Senate republican primary over Castle.

115 darthstar  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:12:48pm

re: #107 engineer dog

freepers reporting this but i can't find a transcript yet:

Did anyone catch Rove on Hannity? This was the most disgraceful performance I have ever seen. Rove was exposed as a beltway elite RINO. He absolutely trashed Christine. And she had already won. Totally uncalled for. Hannity was stunned. Nothing but sour grapes.

Rove a RINO? Ha! That tells you how far afield the GOP's base is.

116 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:13:08pm

re: #103 NJDhockeyfan

Nuts. The truthers believe the US government bombed the WTC and fired a missile into the Pentagon. Now THAT is bizarre.

Exactly. And there are no elected Democrats who are troofers.

There are lots of elected GOP members who are birthers.

117 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:13:24pm

re: #87 Obdicut

by researchok's calculations, I guess every single person I know personally, including Republicans, is a "truther" because we all wanted to know why those warnings were ignored

Wingnuts, gotta love them

118 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:13:34pm

re: #102 celticdragon

Cynthia McKinney...but she is gone.

And no longer a democrat!

119 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:13:47pm

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

My nerves are shot.

I just checked my Facebook, and my husband's uncle had left a grammatically weird message I took to mean that my MIL2 had passed.

My husband is, thank God, napping. I phoned my SIL. Got machine. I phoned MIL1, who had to be reminded who I was, but when she woke up a little more told me that MIL2 is still in hospice care, is regressing to childhood, and yesterday agreed to eat a little. I let her go back to sleep.

What the fuck? What the fuck? What the fuck?

Is MIL1 just hallucinating? Surely to God if her partner had died we would have gotten something other than:

(SFZ) this (Husband's Name) Uncle (Uncle's Name). Tell (MIL2) is gone

What the FUCK! What do I SAY when my husband wakes up?

Maybe you ought to wake him up. Bring him to the computer.

Just in case.

Best thoughts to you and yours.

120 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:14:12pm

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

is goMy nerves are shot.

I just checked my Facebook, and my husband's uncle had left a grammatically weird message I took to mean that my MIL2 had passed.

..snip

What the FUCK! What do I SAY when my husband wakes up?

"Would you like some coffee dear?"

Bad news finds its way fast enough.

121 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:14:41pm
The Global Research website was established on the 9th of September 2001, two days before the tragic events of September 11. Barely a few days later, Global Research had become a major news source on the New World Order and Washington's "war on terrorism".

Coo Coo for Cocoa Puffs!

122 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:14:56pm

re: #117 WindUpBird

by researchok's calculations, I guess every single person I know personally, including Republicans, is a "truther" because we all wanted to know why those warnings were ignored

Wingnuts, gotta love them

Oh cmon. gimme a 'stepandfetchit'.

You know you want to.

123 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:14:57pm

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

My nerves are shot.

I just checked my Facebook, and my husband's uncle had left a grammatically weird message I took to mean that my MIL2 had passed.

My husband is, thank God, napping. I phoned my SIL. Got machine. I phoned MIL1, who had to be reminded who I was, but when she woke up a little more told me that MIL2 is still in hospice care, is regressing to childhood, and yesterday agreed to eat a little. I let her go back to sleep.

What the fuck? What the fuck? What the fuck?

Is MIL1 just hallucinating? Surely to God if her partner had died we would have gotten something other than:

(SFZ) this (Husband's Name) Uncle (Uncle's Name). Tell (MIL2) is gone

What the FUCK! What do I SAY when my husband wakes up?

{{{SFZ}}}

Hang in there, babe. Get on the phone. E-mail sucks for this sort of thing.

124 freetoken  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:15:16pm

re: #114 blueraven

Well, Miller beat Murkowski in Alaska.

The winners were blessed with The Sarah Touch™.

125 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:15:34pm

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

Poor girl.

I have no really useful advice except to tell your husband you're confused about what's going on. There is no road to clarity except asking more questions. And that is painful and awkward and weird.

Some situations just suck suck suck.

I hope you get through it as best you can, and that your friends and family give you the support you need and richly deserve.

126 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:15:36pm

re: #122 researchok

Oh cmon. gimme a 'stepandfetchit'.

You know you want to.

By the way, we weren't talking about warnings.

Why the deceit again?

127 cliffster  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:15:42pm

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

"uncle posted something odd on facebook.. why don't you have a look and tell me what you think?

128 Vicious Babushka  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:15:50pm

re: #69 Killgore Trout

Golden Elixir: The Ultimate Chicken Stock

I'll have to try this recipe with the vinegar. I've noticed that if you stretch the cooking time too long (more than 8 hours) the carrots and onions start to convert to sugars and the broth tastes too sweet. Maybe the vinegar counteracts that.

when I make chicken soup, I put the chicken pieces into a cheesecloth bag, and the vegetables into another cheesecloth bag, so that I can just remove the bags when it's done.

129 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:15:59pm

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

My nerves are shot.

I just checked my Facebook, and my husband's uncle had left a grammatically weird message I took to mean that my MIL2 had passed.

My husband is, thank God, napping. I phoned my SIL. Got machine. I phoned MIL1, who had to be reminded who I was, but when she woke up a little more told me that MIL2 is still in hospice care, is regressing to childhood, and yesterday agreed to eat a little. I let her go back to sleep.

What the fuck? What the fuck? What the fuck?

Is MIL1 just hallucinating? Surely to God if her partner had died we would have gotten something other than:

(SFZ) this (Husband's Name) Uncle (Uncle's Name). Tell (MIL2) is gone

What the FUCK! What do I SAY when my husband wakes up?

WOW...did you try to call the uncle? I hope his message was incorrect.

130 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:16:03pm

re: #104 researchok

I have made clear there is no balance fairy, I agree much of the GOP has gone off the rails. I've said that three times now.

Now, I don't care what kind of investigations into 9/11 people want. Is there more to 9/11 than meets the eye? Probably? Did Bush do this intentionally? Well, if anyone believes that we did this to ourselves, they are nuts- and that is what many of the investigation proponents are saying.

That is about as relevant as the birthers wanting an investigation into Obamas birth certificate, place of birth, etc.

So you again, AGAIN try and slide this shit back into "truther" territory, totally ignoring what Ob has said

shitty wingnut is shitty

131 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:16:29pm

re: #126 researchok

By the way, we weren't talking about warnings.

Why the deceit again?

Actually, you were. The link that you posted is mainly Democrats-- including Kucinich-- talking about the warnings.

132 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:16:30pm

re: #123 austin_blue

{{{SFZ}}}

Hang in there, babe. Get on the phone. E-mail sucks for this sort of thing.

I've called my SIL and MIL1. I can't call the uncle, I don't have his number.

SIL is now asleep in MILs' trailer.

133 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:17:13pm

re: #121 Varek Raith

Coo Coo for Cocoa Puffs!

Yeah, I know.

I just references them because they were the first site that popped up.

The links are available all over, though.

134 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:17:31pm

re: #111 austin_blue

Thank you, Reine.

Is the Roi back home?

Yes, he is, tho he had to drive thru that storm last week to get here LOL.
Back out again next week.

135 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:18:38pm

re: #133 researchok

I'd like to note that link cites about as many Republicans as Democrats.

136 darthstar  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:19:06pm

re: #113 SanFranciscoZionist

Call the Hospice.

137 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:19:45pm

re: #53 researchok

Cynthia Mckinney.

Of course, there are far fewer elected lunatics in the Dem column.

I for one hope it stays that way. All we need is lunacy on both side of the aisle.

Wow, one disgraced member of the house who was forced out of her party

138 Gus  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:19:50pm

re: #114 blueraven

Wow. I cant believe O'Donnell won the Delaware Senate republican primary over Castle.

I'm pretty sure the Delaware Democrats are happy about this.

139 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:19:51pm

re: #136 darthstar

Call the Hospice.

Thought of that. Don't have a number for them. She was just moved there from the hospital. Don't know what the hell it's called.

If she was gone, my SIL would have called her brother, right?

140 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:20:13pm

re: #131 Obdicut

Actually, you were. The link that you posted is mainly Democrats-- including Kucinich-- talking about the warnings.

No, my remarks were about the truthers and those who said 9/11 was an inside job. Further, that is the implication of some of those listed.

The same can be said of the birthers. Not all are confirmed believers- some say that want to see the docs, they want an investigation, etc.

141 darthstar  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:20:22pm

O'Donnell on the TV thanking the Tea Party Express and all the Tea Party groups...aside from that, saying just about nothing.

142 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:20:43pm

re: #137 WindUpBird

Wow, one disgraced member of the house who was forced out of her party

Ooooh...good one!

143 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:21:23pm

re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist

Thought of that. Don't have a number for them. She was just moved there from the hospital. Don't know what the hell it's called.

If she was gone, my SIL would have called her brother, right?

Dial 211 and ask for info on northern LA hospices. Local 211s are keyed in through United Way.

144 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:21:29pm

re: #122 researchok

You're doing that thing Mandy did, you're tossing out some silliness out of context to obfuscate and distract from the issue you're getting dismantled on

And it worked so well for her too!

145 Charles Johnson  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:21:34pm

Anti-masturbation candidate wins in Delaware. Maybe now we can finally do something about the horrible scourge of self-abuse.

146 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:22:17pm

re: #137 WindUpBird

Wow, one disgraced member of the house who was forced out of her party

She wasn't forced out, she lost an election. The Democrats never forced her to leave as far as I know. She was always welcome in the Dem Party.

147 freetoken  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:22:29pm

The following guy won the Wisconsin GOP primary for Senate:


Sunspots are behind climate change, Johnson says


Republican U.S. Senate candidate Ron Johnson on Monday offered uncompromising views on climate change and confirmation of Supreme Court justice nominees, during a session with Journal Sentinel editors and reporters.

[...]

A global warming skeptic, Johnson said extreme weather phenomena were better explained by sunspots than an overload of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, as many scientists believe.

"I absolutely do not believe in the science of man-caused climate change," Johnson said. "It's not proven by any stretch of the imagination."

Johnson, in an interview last month, described believers in manmade causes of climate change as "crazy" and the theory as "lunacy."

"It's far more likely that it's just sunspot activity or just something in the geologic eons of time," he said.

Excess carbon dioxide in the atmosphere "gets sucked down by trees and helps the trees grow," said Johnson.

Average Earth temperatures were relatively warm during the Middle Ages, Johnson said, and "it's not like there were tons of cars on the road."

He said he disagreed with any government spending to try to address global warming. A strong economy is the best way to preserve a good environment, Johnson said.

Trying to fix global warming is "a fool's errand," Johnson said. "I don't think we can do anything about controlling what our climate is."

Johnson also said his comments on drilling for oil in the Great Lakes had been misconstrued by Feingold, who ran TV ads criticizing Johnson and calling him a proponent of Great Lakes drilling.

Johnson said when he told an interviewer that "we have to get the oil where the oil is," he didn't hear any reference to the Great Lakes in the interviewer's question.

Besides, the Great Lakes oil reserves are too small to be worth drilling, Johnson said.

On Supreme Court nominees, Johnson said he had no "litmus test" to support or oppose a candidate. However, he said he would vote against a nominee whose views he disagreed with and would filibuster a nominee with views he strongly opposed.

The filibuster is a debate tactic used by the minority party in the Senate to delay or block votes.

"If I would see a justice who I really thought was awful, in terms of judicial you know, what rulings they had in the past, I would certainly be willing to filibuster," Johnson said.

He said he preferred justices who would strictly follow the constitution in their rulings.

He said he would have voted against both of President Obama's Supreme Court appointees, Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan, as well as both appointees of President Clinton - Stephen Breyer and Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
[...]

He also at times seems ok with teaching creationism in public schools:
[Link: webcache.googleusercontent.com...]

148 Gus  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:22:30pm

re: #145 Charles

Anti-masturbation candidate wins in Delaware. Maybe now we can finally do something about the horrible scourge of self-abuse.

Let's not forget that the leading cause of masturbation is rock and roll music and dancing!

149 freetoken  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:23:04pm

It's beginning to look like a sweep for the "know nothing" party.

150 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:23:09pm

re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist

Thought of that. Don't have a number for them. She was just moved there from the hospital. Don't know what the hell it's called.

If she was gone, my SIL would have called her brother, right?

Maybe the hospital can tell you where she went.

151 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:23:17pm

re: #145 Charles

Anti-masturbation candidate wins in Delaware. Maybe now we can finally do something about the horrible scourge of self-abuse.

Good thing Delaware highschool boys can't vote.

152 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:23:20pm

re: #148 Gus 802

Let's not forget that the leading cause of masturbation is rock and roll music and dancing!

Lol.
What's with these TP candidates and their wierd-ass issues???

153 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:23:43pm

re: #144 WindUpBird

You're doing that thing Mandy did, you're tossing out some silliness out of context to obfuscate and distract from the issue you're getting dismantled on

And it worked so well for her too!

researchok is not like Mandy.
Who's next on the list, WUB?

154 Four More Tears  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:23:56pm

Holy shit, Lazio... what happened, man?

155 Killgore Trout  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:23:57pm

re: #128 Alouette

when I make chicken soup, I put the chicken pieces into a cheesecloth bag, and the vegetables into another cheesecloth bag, so that I can just remove the bags when it's done.

Good tip. I spend a lot of time fishing for things.

156 simoom  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:24:04pm

re: #79 Charles

Wow. Carl Paladino is winning the GOP nomination, despite his well-documented racism, misogyny, and insanity.

If he wins, I wonder if his success will have hinged on outcrazying Rick Lazio on Park 51 (since it's a low turnout base election).

157 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:24:42pm

re: #117 WindUpBird

by researchok's calculations, I guess every single person I know personally, including Republicans, is a "truther" because we all wanted to know why those warnings were ignored

Wingnuts, gotta love them

I'll disagree. You apparently haven't worked in a large bureaucracy. They are incredibly inefficient. (The same for Gubmint and large private industries like GM). Was there a huge fuck-up by the Feds in the run-up to 9/11?

No doubt.

One of the problems is that they had no real anti-terrorism boys or girls with an ear to either Rove or Bush, who had just come from the Texas Statehouse, where Islamic Fundamentalism was as big a problem as Oak Wilt. It is not at all surprising that they got caught with their pants down. One of the big problems with the Executive in the US system of gov't management is the number of senior positions held by appointees (Heckuva job, Brownie!) vs. the long-term, knowledgeable civil service. The UK has a much better system in this area.

158 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:24:58pm

re: #144 WindUpBird

You're doing that thing Mandy did, you're tossing out some silliness out of context to obfuscate and distract from the issue you're getting dismantled on

And it worked so well for her too!

Of course.

Now give us a 'stepingetchit'!

You know, I can argue with obdi, agree, disagree and even change my mind.

You want to make this personal, so be it.

Now, is this where you call me a racist?

159 Gus  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:25:07pm

re: #152 Varek Raith

Lol.
What's with these TP candidates and their wierd-ass issues???

They still hold on to a bumpkin mentality. I'm not even sure if it's that because some of this stuff is rather archaic and often left to the confines of certain religious sects.

160 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:25:52pm

re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist

Thought of that. Don't have a number for them. She was just moved there from the hospital. Don't know what the hell it's called.

If she was gone, my SIL would have called her brother, right?

I suggest calling the hospital. Deb's suggestion in #143 is a good idea, too.

161 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:26:31pm

re: #140 researchok

No, my remarks were about the truthers and those who said 9/11 was an inside job. Further, that is the implication of some of those listed.

The same can be said of the birthers. Not all are confirmed believers- some say that want to see the docs, they want an investigation, etc.

I'm sorry, but this is utter bullshit.

You are conflating people who think that the US government engaged in a massive conspiracy to kill its own citizens in order to start a war (or even weirder reasons) with people who want to know why 9/11 happened, want to make political hay out of the intelligence failure, and why the Bush administration wasn't more focused on terrorism.

There is a real question there. I think the question has already been sufficiently answered, and is not too damning; nobody thought something like 9/11 would happen, and the failures were all up and down the line.

But birhterism there is no rational basis for, at all. In the least, in any way.

Conflating people who supported a 9/11 investigation with troofers is amazingly insulting to those people.


Your statement that the left has troofers and the right has birhters ignores the fact that 'troofers' are an incredibly small minority of people on the left-- and exist on the right as well-- and ignores the fact that such a huge number of GOP voters are birthers and the large number of elected officials and GOP media figures who support this nonsense.

162 recusancy  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:26:59pm

re: #146 NJDhockeyfan

She wasn't forced out, she lost an election. The Democrats never forced her to leave as far as I know. She was always welcome in the Dem Party.

She was primaried and lost. That's how people get forced out. We don't celebrate the crazy. We primary it.

163 webevintage  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:27:02pm

I now hate O'Donnell....

164 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:27:08pm

re: #134 reine.de.tout

Yes, he is, tho he had to drive thru that storm last week to get here LOL.
Back out again next week.

Ah the life of a mud man. Enjoy him while he's home.

165 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:27:42pm

Lol, way to go!

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166 darthstar  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:27:57pm

re: #139 SanFranciscoZionist

My thoughts are with you.

167 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:28:09pm

re: #146 NJDhockeyfan

She wasn't forced out, she lost an election. The Democrats never forced her to leave as far as I know. She was always welcome in the Dem Party.

She lost a Democratic primary.

That means Democratic voters rejected her.

Unlike, say, the lunatics the GOP are happily electing in the primaries today.

168 Kragar  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:28:09pm

The voters listend to Rush.

169 Gus  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:28:10pm

re: #163 webevintage

I now hate O'Donnell...

Which one?

/

170 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:28:22pm

re: #163 webevintage

I now hate O'Donnell...

But I'm developing a fondness for SP.

171 blueraven  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:28:35pm

re: #124 freetoken

Well, Miller beat Murkowski in Alaska.

The winners were blessed with The Sarah Touch™.

And 250,000 in tea party ad money. I dont know if it was the Sarah touch. She didnt endorse Lamontagne who is he is currently winning over her candidate Ayotte in NH. Though that one is close and not been called yet.

Same for Governor in Maryland. She endorsed Murphy over the declared winner Robert Ehrlich

172 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:28:46pm

re: #165 Varek Raith

Lol, way to go!

I used an SAP application once that occasionally crashed with the message "Good error".

Yeah.

173 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:28:52pm

re: #163 webevintage

I now hate O'Donnell...

Everyone knows Rosie is a truther too.

174 darthstar  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:29:18pm

re: #145 Charles

Anti-masturbation candidate wins in Delaware. Maybe now we can finally do something about the horrible scourge of self-abuse.

I can't wait until she's asked by reporters if she still believes masturbation is bad. I know she'll dodge the question (and will be well coached on how to do so), but it will still be fun to watch.

175 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:29:49pm

re: #145 Charles

Anti-masturbation candidate wins in Delaware. Maybe now we can finally do something about the horrible scourge of self-abuse.

Oh blinding light,
Oh light that blinds,
I cannot see,
Look out for me...

176 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:30:25pm

re: #173 NJDhockeyfan

Everyone knows Rosie is a truther too.

Rosie wouldn't know the truth if it bit her in her massive a**, disengaged, shouted, "I'm The Truth", and handed her a calling card with "The Truth" engraved on it.

177 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:30:30pm

re: #164 austin_blue

Ah the life of a mud man. Enjoy him while he's home.

I always do!

178 Kragar  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:30:37pm

Whats that sound? Its the GOP crashing in November.

180 darthstar  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:31:13pm

No need to masturbate...just call Christine

181 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:31:40pm

Tried to call the hospice...tried the nearest place to the area. Spoke to some of the nicest people on earth, who aren't at liberty to just give out patient information to random people who say they're daughters in law.

Fuck it. I'm going to explain to my husband what's happened, and hope to God SIL calls us back. As far as I'm concerned, she's alive until someone who can use a verb in a sentence tells me otherwise.

182 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:32:13pm

re: #161 Obdicut

I'm sorry, but this is utter bullshit.

You are conflating people who think that the US government engaged in a massive conspiracy to kill its own citizens in order to start a war (or even weirder reasons) with people who want to know why 9/11 happened, want to make political hay out of the intelligence failure, and why the Bush administration wasn't more focused on terrorism.

There is a real question there. I think the question has already been sufficiently answered, and is not too damning; nobody thought something like 9/11 would happen, and the failures were all up and down the line.

But birhterism there is no rational basis for, at all. In the least, in any way.

Conflating people who supported a 9/11 investigation with troofers is amazingly insulting to those people.

Your statement that the left has troofers and the right has birhters ignores the fact that 'troofers' are an incredibly small minority of people on the left-- and exist on the right as well-- and ignores the fact that such a huge number of GOP voters are birthers and the large number of elected officials and GOP media figures who support this nonsense.

I absolutely agree with most of what you say- at least the last part.

Now, 'troofers' are convinced we did this to ourselves. No matter what you say, they will always believe that. That is the Alex Jones crowd.

I have no issue with any kind of investigation into who knew what when, etc, etc, etc.

There are also some birthers who, no matter what you tell them, will believe Ovbama was not born in Hawaii.

There is also a large segemnt of the birther element who want to see the papers. They have never said that Obama was born outside the US and won't hear otherwise.

I have to disagree- I'm not conflating anything.

183 Gus  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:32:22pm

re: #180 darthstar

No need to masturbate...just call Christine

It's illegal in Texas!

/

184 darthstar  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:32:36pm

re: #181 SanFranciscoZionist

Tried to call the hospice...tried the nearest place to the area. Spoke to some of the nicest people on earth, who aren't at liberty to just give out patient information to random people who say they're daughters in law.

Fuck it. I'm going to explain to my husband what's happened, and hope to God SIL calls us back. As far as I'm concerned, she's alive until someone who can use a verb in a sentence tells me otherwise.

I think you're doing the right thing. It's best to worry through this together.

185 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:32:46pm

re: #169 Gus 802

Which one?

/

Line of the day.

186 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:33:57pm

re: #184 darthstar

I think you're doing the right thing. It's best to worry through this together.

Thanks.

Have I mentioned that my extended in-laws are WEIRD?

187 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:34:26pm

re: #183 Gus 802

It's illegal in Texas!

/

Hey! The Supremes struck that down!

Oh, wait...

188 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:34:34pm

Towercam - Il crepuscolo - the gloaming - San Gabriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone - the last sunlight of the day, then twilight.

189 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:34:58pm

re: #186 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks.

Have I mentioned that my extended in-laws are WEIRD?

Most of them are dear.

190 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:35:29pm

re: #188 Ojoe

Towercam - Il crepuscolo - the gloaming - San Gabriel Mountains of California, Pacific time zone - the last sunlight of the day, then twilight.

I've been struck blind!!

191 Political Atheist  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:35:34pm

re: #24 Charles
re: #40 Floral Giraffe

I would say not. I have much more "profile comfort" with our registered members than the general visitors or the banned. I post more openly than most though. I'd rather the stalkers had a tougher time getting to profiles.

192 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:35:34pm

Il Crepuscuolo

Maybe I spelled that right.

193 simoom  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:35:40pm

Looks like the Tea Party U.S. Senate candidate is leading in my state as well -- Climate Change skeptic and supporter of a constitution amendment banning abortion, Ovide Lamontagne.

194 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:36:10pm

re: #182 researchok

There is also a large segemnt of the birther element who want to see the papers. They have never said that Obama was born outside the US and won't hear otherwise.

They have seen 'the papers'. His birth certificate was shown. And the Republican Secretary of State for Hawai'i, along with other officials, have stated he was born in Hawai'i. Not to mention the notices in the newspaper.

THere is absolutely no rational reason to ask Obama for any more proof-- there was no reason to ask him for any proof.

You are comparing two things that have no similarity at all.

Wanting a 9/11 investigation was a good thing. There was an intelligence failure. We needed to find out why.

There was never any actual question about Obama's birthplace. At all. There certainly isn't now.

And when I asked for an example of a troofer, your example was someone who wanted an investigation into the intelligence failure.

That is not a troother.

Someone who wants to see Obama's 'real' birth certificate is a birther.

Your comparison has no merit.

195 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:36:17pm

re: #192 Ojoe

Il Crepuscuolo

Maybe I spelled that right.

And now I see...

196 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:36:23pm

re: #190 Decatur Deb

I was like, going too fast...

Have some work on the drafting board (rare) & have to get back to it.

197 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:36:34pm

re: #193 simoom

Looks like the Tea Party U.S. Senate candidate is leading in my state as well -- Climate Change skeptic and supporter of a constitution amendment banning abortion, Ovide Lamontagne.

Well... it looks like the GOP is marching on nicely to the November elections.

198 Velvet Elvis  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:36:53pm
Youtube Video
199 Decatur Deb  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:37:16pm

re: #196 Ojoe

I was like, going too fast...

Have some work on the drafting board (rare) & have to get back to it.

Pity, this might be a good night to pimp the New Whigs.

200 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:37:45pm

re: #179 Varek Raith

Image: you-fail-at-failing-at-failing-fail-demotivational -poster-1228356705.gif

Great. I like the last line on the blue screen--"Buy a Mac fucktart".

201 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:37:49pm

re: #186 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks.

Have I mentioned that my extended in-laws are WEIRD?

Not twigging to the MIL1 and MIL2 meme until tonight, I don't think you have to. Modern families...

NTTAWWT!

202 Ojoe  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:38:18pm

re: #199 Decatur Deb

You may do that if you like.

BBL

203 darthstar  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:39:08pm

Well, the NRSC isn't going to waste any money on Delaware:

Image: FOX_ditches_ODonnel_Tweet.gif

204 NJDhockeyfan  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:39:18pm

re: #197 Walter L. Newton

Well... it looks like the GOP is marching on nicely to the November elections.

The Democrats have fucked up so bad that within a year and a half anyone can run and beat them in the elections.

205 cliffster  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:39:49pm

I'm not crazy about some of the GOP candidates that are getting chosen. But it's going to make Keith Olbermann piss on himself that much more when they get elected, so in that sense it's worth it.

206 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:40:13pm

It would be very ironic to masturbate to pictures of Christine O'Donnell.

Your deep thought for the day.

207 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:40:23pm

re: #194 Obdicut

They have seen 'the papers'. His birth certificate was shown. And the Republican Secretary of State for Hawai'i, along with other officials, have stated he was born in Hawai'i. Not to mention the notices in the newspaper.

THere is absolutely no rational reason to ask Obama for any more proof-- there was no reason to ask him for any proof.

You are comparing two things that have no similarity at all.

Wanting a 9/11 investigation was a good thing. There was an intelligence failure. We needed to find out why.

There was never any actual question about Obama's birthplace. At all. There certainly isn't now.

And when I asked for an example of a troofer, your example was someone who wanted an investigation into the intelligence failure.

That is not a troother.

Someone who wants to see Obama's 'real' birth certificate is a birther.

Your comparison has no merit.

Like I said, on most of what you say I agree with.

Vis a vis the comparison, I have disagree.

For the record, I am no birther. I have no reason to believe Obama was born outside the country.

208 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:41:00pm

re: #153 reine.de.tout

researchok is not like Mandy.
Who's next on the list, WUB?

Don't know! There's one or two people I am thinking of will either flounce or just never come back, they haven't posted lately, but they're long time posters who I just find to be completely nuts when you get past the pleastanries.

I just have this habit of running totally afoul people who are later banned or leave. Sharmuta, Fenway, Mandy, Bagua, Spare... for different reasons, but they all sure didn't like me!

And true, researchok is not like Mandy, but still uses some of the same "techniques". The same "oh here's this thing from whatever long ago, I'll use it as a gotcha even though nobody cares". The same "here's a link that proves everything oh wait it proves nothing" The same suspicious and evasive claims of authority on a subject. But no, not at all on the same constant abusive drumbeat level.

209 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:41:12pm

re: #197 Walter L. Newton

Well... it looks like the GOP is marching on nicely to the November elections.

Onward goofy soldiers, marching as to war...

210 reine.de.tout  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:41:22pm

re: #186 SanFranciscoZionist

Thanks.

Have I mentioned that my extended in-laws are WEIRD?

Everybody's in laws are weird.
I just had a similar experience with my SIL and BIL - similar in that it was very frustrating, they apparently understand each other just fine, but I speak a different language and was lost - hubby finally told me to just ignore it all, I was too wound up over not much of anything at all. He was right.

Anyhow - yes, wait 'til your husband is up, tell him what was posted, and then y'all figure it out together.

211 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:41:43pm

re: #205 cliffster

I'm not crazy about some of the GOP candidates that are getting chosen. But it's going to make Keith Olbermann piss on himself that much more when they get elected, so in that sense it's worth it.

Really?

212 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:41:52pm

re: #201 austin_blue

Not twigging to the MIL1 and MIL2 meme until tonight, I don't think you have to. Modern families...

NTTAWWT!

They're the normal ones.

;)

213 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:42:10pm

re: #208 WindUpBird

Don't know! There's one or two people I am thinking of will either flounce or just never come back, they haven't posted lately, but they're long time posters who I just find to be completely nuts when you get past the pleastanries.

I just have this habit of running totally afoul people who are later banned or leave. Sharmuta, Fenway, Mandy, Bagua, Spare... for different reasons, but they all sure didn't like me!

And true, researchok is not like Mandy, but still uses some of the same "techniques". The same "oh here's this thing from whatever long ago, I'll use it as a gotcha even though nobody cares". The same "here's a link that proves everything oh wait it proves nothing" The same suspicious and evasive claims of authority on a subject. But no, not at all on the same constant abusive drumbeat level.

And then you always have the old standby... ME.

214 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:42:28pm

re: #206 Fozzie Bear

It would be very ironic to masturbate to pictures of Christine O'Donnell.

Your deep thought for the day.

That's sort of like praying for people who don't want you to pray for them.

Or not.

215 Fozzie Bear  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:42:40pm

re: #205 cliffster

I'm not crazy about some of the GOP candidates that are getting chosen. But it's going to make Keith Olbermann piss on himself that much more when they get elected, so in that sense it's worth it.

Rush Limbaugh would totally flip if we had a communist revolution here, so lets do it!! ////

216 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:43:00pm

re: #207 researchok

Like I said, on most of what you say I agree with.

Vis a vis the comparison, I have disagree.

For the record, I am no birther. I have no reason to believe Obama was born outside the country.

But why do you disagree?

I made my case.

You have not made a case for why the comparison is good. You have asserted it.

There is a rational basis to ask for a 9/11 inquiry.

There is no rational basis to ask for proof of Obama's citizenship. There never was, and there certainly isn't now.

What is your actual argument for why the comparison is apt?

217 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:43:19pm

re: #214 SanFranciscoZionist

That's sort of like praying for people who don't want you to pray for them.

Or not.

Image: atheist_cat.jpg

218 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:43:58pm

re: #205 cliffster

I'm not crazy about some of the GOP candidates that are getting chosen. But it's going to make Keith Olbermann piss on himself that much more when they get elected, so in that sense it's worth it.

This is not helpful for the R's in November. Right now, Keith is pissing himself in glee that the R's have lost control of teh crazees. These whackjobs couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag in a general election.

219 ClaudeMonet  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:44:02pm

re: #209 SanFranciscoZionist

Onward goofy soldiers, marching as to war...

Don't pick on Goofy. He can't help it if he's incredibly stupid. And he's well-intentioned, which is a quality I shall not ascribe to the TP candidates.

220 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:44:29pm

re: #146 NJDhockeyfan

She wasn't forced out, she lost an election. The Democrats never forced her to leave as far as I know. She was always welcome in the Dem Party.

She lost a primary. She was forced out.

She sure as shit wasn't welcome to the party if they voted against her! How do you arrive at the bizarro conclusion that your own party voting against you is an endorsement of you?

And now the GOP is forcing out their reasonable candidates in primaries, in favor of booga booga wackos.

Have fun!

221 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:44:43pm

re: #208 WindUpBird

Don't know! There's one or two people I am thinking of will either flounce or just never come back, they haven't posted lately, but they're long time posters who I just find to be completely nuts when you get past the pleastanries.

I just have this habit of running totally afoul people who are later banned or leave. Sharmuta, Fenway, Mandy, Bagua, Spare... for different reasons, but they all sure didn't like me!

And true, researchok is not like Mandy, but still uses some of the same "techniques". The same "oh here's this thing from whatever long ago, I'll use it as a gotcha even though nobody cares". The same "here's a link that proves everything oh wait it proves nothing" The same suspicious and evasive claims of authority on a subject. But no, not at all on the same constant abusive drumbeat level.

Yes, I'm a big bad person. Maybe even a really, really evil, racist conservative, right?

When you stop making this personal, I will.

Your call.

222 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:44:43pm

re: #217 Varek Raith

Image: atheist_cat.jpg

Too cute.

223 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:45:21pm

re: #222 SanFranciscoZionist

Too cute.

The little devout one is sweet beyond words.

224 WMKaffir  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:45:53pm

That such flawed candidate as O'Donnell could beat professional pol Castle should send a message to the political class. Many voters are fed-up with business as usual, they're fed-up at insane deficits, they're fed-up with Washington's micromanagement. They want government that officials who respect the Constitution, as opposed to considering it a "flaw" to be circumvented. They're fed-up with nonsense like InJustice Breyer's view that it's legal to burn the flag, but not the Koran. Above all, they're fed-up with elitists who hold them in contempt. The problem is an establishment that can't do any better than a Castle or Obama or Rangel.

225 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:46:09pm

re: #205 cliffster

I'm not crazy about some of the GOP candidates that are getting chosen. But it's going to make Keith Olbermann piss on himself that much more when they get elected, so in that sense it's worth it.

So you hate Keith Olbermann, an unelected media personality, so much that you'll just discard the entire theme of this blog for the last couple years?

Awesome!

So if Keith Olbermann is really angry at Pamela Geller, does that mean you'll support her?

226 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:46:29pm

re: #221 researchok

Yes, I'm a big bad person. Maybe even a really, really evil, racist conservative, right?

When you stop making this personal, I will.

Your call.

More mandyisms!

227 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:47:13pm

re: #224 WMKaffir

So fed up they done gone elected and anti-whackin' in someone's trailer candidate.
Awesome.

228 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:47:27pm

re: #213 Walter L. Newton

And then you always have the old standby... ME.

You're not going anywhere :D

229 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:47:36pm

re: #224 WMKaffir

"Injustice Breyer"

You're a crackpot.

O'Donnell doesn't have respect for the constitution.

Why do you think she does?

230 blueraven  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:48:24pm

re: #203 darthstar

Well, the NRSC isn't going to waste any money on Delaware:

Image: FOX_ditches_ODonnel_Tweet.gif

Did anyone catch Karl Rove on Sean Hannity? Rove is really PO'd about O'Donnell winning. Hannity defended her and called Castle a RINO. They went at it pretty good, although Hannity was deferential to Rove.

Rove thinks the republicans just blew any chance of winning the senate seat in Delaware.

231 cliffster  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:49:08pm

re: #225 WindUpBird

So you hate Keith Olbermann, an unelected media personality, so much that you'll just discard the entire theme of this blog for the last couple years?

Awesome!

So if Keith Olbermann is really angry at Pamela Geller, does that mean you'll support her?

whatever makes liberals whine louder... bring it on!

232 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:49:34pm

re: #224 WMKaffir

That such flawed candidate as O'Donnell could beat professional pol Castle should send a message to the political class. Many voters are fed-up with business as usual, they're fed-up at insane deficits, they're fed-up with Washington's micromanagement. They want government that officials who respect the Constitution, as opposed to considering it a "flaw" to be circumvented. They're fed-up with nonsense like InJustice Breyer's view that it's legal to burn the flag, but not the Koran. Above all, they're fed-up with elitists who hold them in contempt. The problem is an establishment that can't do any better than a Castle or Obama or Rangel.

Man this is a gigantic rice-krispie-treat of bumper sticker gibberish, mmm mmm good

"Voters are fed up!"

"Washingtons mismanagement!"

"it's legal to burn the flag, but not the Koran!"

"they're fed-up with elitists!"

And Obama and Rangel in the same breath! Oh I know, those scheming black people, can't trust them!

233 cliffster  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:50:05pm

re: #218 austin_blue

This is not helpful for the R's in November. Right now, Keith is pissing himself in glee that the R's have lost control of teh crazees. These whackjobs couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag in a general election.

keep telling yourself that. Maybe you're right..

234 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:51:01pm

re: #231 cliffster

whatever makes liberals whine louder... bring it on!


This is where I gently remind you that it's really hard to take anything you say seriously when you start saying stuff like this

235 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:51:13pm

re: #224 WMKaffir

That such flawed candidate as O'Donnell could beat professional pol Castle should send a message to the political class. Many voters are fed-up with business as usual, they're fed-up at insane deficits, they're fed-up with Washington's micromanagement. They want government that officials who respect the Constitution, as opposed to considering it a "flaw" to be circumvented. They're fed-up with nonsense like InJustice Breyer's view that it's legal to burn the flag, but not the Koran. Above all, they're fed-up with elitists who hold them in contempt. The problem is an establishment that can't do any better than a Castle or Obama or Rangel.

Dude, it was an R primary. It means nothing in the general, except that the Rs have lost control to teh crazees. The Ds will have their voters, teh crazees will have theirs, and the Indies will have to choose.

How do you think that will work out for the Rs?

Oh, and by the way, you're an idiot.

236 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:51:17pm

re: #232 WindUpBird

Man this is a gigantic rice-krispie-treat of bumper sticker gibberish, mmm mmm good

"Voters are fed up!"

"Washingtons mismanagement!"

"it's legal to burn the flag, but not the Koran!"

"they're fed-up with elitists!"

And Obama and Rangel in the same breath! Oh I know, those scheming black people, can't trust them!

Correction... "Castle or Obama or Rangel" in the same breath... I didn't know Castle was black...

237 blueraven  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:52:03pm

re: #231 cliffster

whatever makes liberals whine louder... bring it on!

It sure made Karl Rove mad that O'Donnell won...that's good enough for now.

238 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:52:32pm

re: #216 Obdicut

But why do you disagree?

I made my case.

You have not made a case for why the comparison is good. You have asserted it.

There is a rational basis to ask for a 9/11 inquiry.

There is no rational basis to ask for proof of Obama's citizenship. There never was, and there certainly isn't now.

What is your actual argument for why the comparison is apt?

Just to reiterate- I am not a birther. Never was. Just so we're clear.

Onwards.

For one thing, I believe what was presented was a COLB- not the same as a BC. I think that rankles a lot of birthers. They want to see the certified copies of the original (some of the hardballers also want to see his passport, but that's just nuts).

As I said repeatedly, I have no problem with 9/11 investigations. There are those lunatics who want the investigations to point to a 'Bush did it-inside job' conclusion but we all know where that will go.

All I said was that many of the birthers want to see the original docs and that is why I disagree with you. They believe they have cause.

I am by no means assigning credibility to the birther movement.

239 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:53:26pm

re: #236 Walter L. Newton

Correction... "Castle or Obama or Rangel" in the same breath... I didn't know Castle was black...

uh huh ;-)

240 Varek Raith  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:53:53pm

re: #231 cliffster

whatever makes liberals whine louder... bring it on!

I do believe that liberals are ecstatic that the TP candidates are winning.
Seeing as the the TP candidates likely have a snowball's chance in hell of winning.

241 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:53:57pm

re: #231 cliffster

whatever makes liberals whine louder... bring it on!

What the hell, dude?

242 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:54:11pm

re: #226 WindUpBird

More mandyisms!

Cmon, give us a 'stepinfetchit'!

Do you recall under what circumstances you said that?

243 Walter L. Newton  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:55:15pm

re: #242 researchok

Cmon, give us a 'stepinfetchit'!

Do you recall under what circumstances you said that?

WUB... should I tell him or will you?

244 blueraven  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:55:36pm

re: #235 austin_blue

Dude, it was an R primary. It means nothing in the general, except that the Rs have lost control to teh crazees. The Ds will have their voters, teh crazees will have theirs, and the Indies will have to choose.

How do you think that will work out for the Rs?

Oh, and by the way, you're an idiot.

You might want to check your ding on his post.

245 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:55:53pm

Hopping upthread.

The title alone promises opportunites...

246 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:55:55pm

re: #238 researchok

For one thing, I believe what was presented was a COLB- not the same as a BC. I think that rankles a lot of birthers. They want to see the certified copies of the original (some of the hardballers also want to see his passport, but that's just nuts).

But why do they want to see it?

You have to make a case for wanting to see it being a rational inquiry.

You have failed to do so.

So your comparison to people who want a 9/11 investigation into the intelligence failure who are NOT saying that the US government was an active participant has no merit.

Because wanting a 9/11 investigation into the intelligence failure is a rational inquiry.

You are comparing a rational inquiry to an irrational one.

247 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:56:07pm

re: #238 researchok

Just to reiterate- I am not a birther. Never was. Just so we're clear.

I am by no means assigning credibility to the birther movement.


Nobody is saying you are, that's a straw man.

What you're actually doing is trying to equate completely fringe truthers with no power to much more mainstream birthers, magical balance fairy awaaay

I mean, why else bring up Cynthia McKinney, a woman completely undone by her own party. And then struggle to compare her to GOP politicians who are REWARDED in their primaries by going full crazy birther.

That's the difference between Dem Primaries and GOP primaries these days. Dems don't reward crazy people.


Again, it all boils down to supporting the GOP no matter how crazy they get

248 Gus  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:56:26pm

re: #235 austin_blue

Dude, it was an R primary. It means nothing in the general, except that the Rs have lost control to teh crazees. The Ds will have their voters, teh crazees will have theirs, and the Indies will have to choose.

How do you think that will work out for the Rs?

Oh, and by the way, you're an idiot.

Might want to check how you dinged his comment. ;)

249 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:56:43pm

re: #242 researchok

Cmon, give us a 'stepinfetchit'!

Do you recall under what circumstances you said that?

mandy mandy mandy

I can't let you go

All my life, you're haunting me

I love you so

250 austin_blue  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:57:21pm

re: #244 blueraven

You might want to check your ding on his post.

Oh, I encourage idiots.

251 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:57:38pm

re: #243 Walter L. Newton

WUB... should I tell him or will you?

No rush. He clearly has a collection of shovels.

Truth is, this pretty much the first time I've engaged anyone here in this manner.

Lord knows I've disagreed with plenty of people, but I have never made it personal.

It is interesting, from a professional perspective.

Real insight, you know?

252 cliffster  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:58:20pm

re: #234 WindUpBird

This is where I gently remind you that it's really hard to take anything you say seriously when you start saying stuff like this

If that makes you feel important...

253 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 7:59:01pm

re: #247 WindUpBird

Nobody is saying you are, that's a straw man.

What you're actually doing is trying to equate completely fringe truthers with no power to much more mainstream birthers, magical balance fairy awaaay

I mean, why else bring up Cynthia McKinney, a woman completely undone by her own party. And then struggle to compare her to GOP politicians who are REWARDED in their primaries by going full crazy birther.

That's the difference between Dem Primaries and GOP primaries these days. Dems don't reward crazy people.

Again, it all boils down to supporting the GOP no matter how crazy they get

Do you have any idea how many times just today I have said I do not support the GOP in this incarnation?

Again, why would you imply that when it clearly isn't true?

254 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:01:52pm

re: #246 Obdicut

But why do they want to see it?

You have to make a case for wanting to see it being a rational inquiry.

You have failed to do so.

So your comparison to people who want a 9/11 investigation into the intelligence failure who are NOT saying that the US government was an active participant has no merit.

Because wanting a 9/11 investigation into the intelligence failure is a rational inquiry.

You are comparing a rational inquiry to an irrational one.

Just because I don't see it doesn't mean they don't- especially re the COLB matter. All I wanted to do was present it as they see it.

Like I said, I'm no birther. I do not support the whole notion. I find it outrageous and degrading.

255 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:03:45pm

re: #254 researchok

Just because I don't see it doesn't mean they don't- especially re the COLB matter. All I wanted to do was present it as they see it.

Like I said, I'm no birther. I do not support the whole notion. I find it outrageous and degrading.

Then you agree that your comparison has no merit.

The left does not have troofers in the way the right has birthers. At all.

I really like your idea of what the GOP should be. It's really good.

It is a billion billion miles away from what the GOP actually is or has been or will be anytime soon.

256 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:03:59pm

re: #238 researchok

They believe they have cause.

Flat-earthers believe the Earth is flat, so what? Arguing with a delusion legitimizes it.

257 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:05:54pm

re: #256 goddamnedfrank

Flat-earthers believe the Earth is flat, so what? Arguing with a delusion legitimizes it.

Fair point- but the obsession is nurtured because of a perceived reticence on the part of the Obama machine re the docs.

It feeds the beast.

258 Mentis Fugit  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:10:27pm

re: #76 Obdicut

A 'troofer' is someone who believes the US government or Mossad, or the UN, or Hillary Clinton, or the French, or anyone but a beardy goatfucker on dialysis actually planned and carried out the attacks.


Fixed.

I don't include Saddam Hussein in that list because anyone who believes he was involved isn't a troofer, they're a moran.*

* I went to school with someone named Moran. Thanks to the "get a brain" picture, I can no longer pronounce his surname correctly.

259 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:11:29pm

re: #258 Mentis Fugit

Hilary Clinton?

That's a new one on me.

But yes, you're right-- the list of people who supposedly did it is long.

260 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:14:15pm

re: #255 Obdicut

Then you agree that your comparison has no merit.

The left does not have troofers in the way the right has birthers. At all.

I really like your idea of what the GOP should be. It's really good.

It is a billion billion miles away from what the GOP actually is or has been or will be anytime soon.

LOL- you have no idea how lonely it gets out here!

Nowadays, to say you are conservative is to be classified as either a TP'er, GOP hack or Evangelical- and those things are so far beyond the conservative horizon.

I touched on it here, but it goes beyond that. There is a real cancer within GOP ranks and true conservatives (which actually means fiscal conservatives) are becoming a rare and unheard breed. In fact, true conservatives have much in common with classical liberals.

Sadly, we'll no longer see either for much longer, unless there are some fundamental changes in the way we do business.

The crazies on both sides make me nuts.

I like the way you, Gus, Free, Reine, SFZ, FG, WW, and Ice, etc etc do business.

261 Obdicut  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:16:13pm

re: #260 researchok

I don't believe there are two sides. And I think you can be crazy in the 'middle'.

I do believe, because it is true, that the current GOP is far, far, far, far, far crazier and more dangerous than the Democrats.

262 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:17:56pm

re: #261 Obdicut

I don't believe there are two sides. And I think you can be crazy in the 'middle'.

I do believe, because it is true, that the current GOP is far, far, far, far, far crazier and more dangerous than the Democrats.

They are now, for sure.

By the way, did you see this article from Slate?

I thought it was interesting, for sure.

Hillary is very, very shrewd.

263 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:18:32pm

re: #238 researchok


For one thing, I believe what was presented was a COLB- not the same as a BC. I think that rankles a lot of birthers. They want to see the certified copies of the original (some of the hardballers also want to see his passport, but that's just nuts).

1. The COLB thing holds no water. They can't see the original. No one can. Hawaii does not do that.

2. His passport is, presumably, based on his birth certificate. Why would that make any fucking difference?

264 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:22:12pm

re: #263 SanFranciscoZionist

1. The COLB thing holds no water. They can't see the original. No one can. Hawaii does not do that.

2. His passport is, presumably, based on his birth certificate. Why would that make any fucking difference?

Don't shoot the messenger.

265 SanFranciscoZionist  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:29:28pm

re: #264 researchok

Don't shoot the messenger.

Not intending to, but their whole cause is pathetic. Giving details about the COLB nonsense and whatever doesn't make what they're saying more rational, in fact, it points to how shallow and desperate their talking points are.

266 researchok  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:31:25pm

re: #265 SanFranciscoZionist

Not intending to, but their whole cause is pathetic. Giving details about the COLB nonsense and whatever doesn't make what they're saying more rational, in fact, it points to how shallow and desperate their talking points are.

No argument.

I can feel your pain. Stupid has a way of doing that.

267 goddamnedfrank  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:39:42pm

re: #257 researchok

Fair point- but the obsession is nurtured because of a perceived reticence on the part of the Obama machine re the docs.

It feeds the beast.

People's own erroneous perceptions feed into their rock ignorant worldview, seems like a universal constant among idiots. How birthers are different than truthers, flat earthers, anti-vaxers, the bodily fluid anti-fluoride and chem-trail crowd escapes me. Who cares if they think they're right, fuckin' idiots think they're goddamned experts at everything, the Dunning-Krueger effect.

268 RadicalModerate  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:26:52pm

Whoa.

#224 has a blatantly racist name there - what he's using as a last name is the South African equivalent to using the n-work in the US, and for the same reasons.

269 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 11:03:01pm

re: #253 researchok

Do you have any idea how many times just today I have said I do not support the GOP in this incarnation?

Again, why would you imply that when it clearly isn't true?

You say you don't support them, and then you run all this static that indicates otherwise.

if the false equivalency stops and the bizarre misrepresentation of obvious and easy-to-google facts stops, I'll stop :)

270 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Tue, Sep 14, 2010 11:05:06pm

re: #253 researchok

Do you have any idea how many times just today I have said I do not support the GOP in this incarnation?

Again, why would you imply that when it clearly isn't true?

Your claims about the GOP's abortion stance being a good example of "static"

271 tnguitarist  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:20:38am

re: #268 RadicalModerate

Whoa.

#224 has a blatantly racist name there - what he's using as a last name is the South African equivalent to using the n-work in the US, and for the same reasons.

Thanks for pointing that out. Wow.


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