Carl Paladino: The GOP’s Psychotic Racist Candidate
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And a racist, misogynistic, apparently psychotic freak will be the GOP’s nominee for New York Governor.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:17:54pm |
The GOP's Psychotic Racist Candidate.
If you didn't specify Paladino, it would be hard to know who you were really talking about.
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:18:22pm |
Paladino? That asshole? My we're a long way from the days when the GOP had candidates like George Pataki. Cuomo's a shoo-in.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:18:44pm |
He sounds really nuts. I mean really imprison welfare receipents. Yeah buddy you're really for personal freedom right there. You're just an asshole.
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simoom Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:18:48pm |
[Link: www.paladinoforthepeople.com...]
Carl on the Ground Zero MosqueCarl's opinion on the Ground Zero Mosque is simple: NO.
The Ground Zero Mosque is an affront to the American people and an insult to the thousands who died there and the thousands of troops who have been killed and maimed in the ensuing wars.
Carl believes Ground Zero is much larger than the footprint of the Twin Towers. In fact, Ground Zero is the entire lower Manhattan district where the dust cloud fell. That cloud contained the remains of the many men and women murdered.
Carl doesn't view this as a religious issue. He sees it as all about ideology - an ideology of hate bent on the destruction of America. The developers of the Ground Zero Mosque are not moderate Muslims - they support Hamas and blame the United States for 9-11. Many moderate Muslims are as upset about the Ground Zero Mosque as non-Muslims.
Carl doesn't think we need to just investigate the funding behind the Mosque - that's equivocating. It doesn't matter who paid for it. When Carl is sworn in as Governor of New York, he will stop the Mosque that very day by any legal means necessary.
Eminent domain may help accomplish this, but not by taking the property. With limited eminent domain, the Ground Zero District can simply be declared a restricted area where insults to the 9-11 families may never be built.
The bolded bit is a real WTF!? to me.
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Obdicut Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:18:59pm |
You called it, Charles.
Openly racist is now just fine in the GOP.
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The Great Ralph Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:21:07pm |
Doesn't matter who won this primary. Cuomo will bury him.
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Obdicut Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:21:39pm |
And if I may remind everyone, this guy is a real freak:
Some of Paladino’s emails contain hardcore pornography. One contains a video clip involving bestiality.
Get him together with the anti-masturbation candidate and watch the fur fly.
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jamesfirecat Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:22:02pm |
Wow, I bet this will play real well with New Yorkers....
(Thinks about Park 51)
Great, now I'm really afraid that it just might...
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Velvet Elvis Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:22:35pm |
re: #4 simoom
If I was a member of a "9-11 family" I'd say that all buildings insult me and that nothing can ever be built in all of lower Manhattan. Give it back to the injuns and tell 'em we want our beads back.
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Fozzie Bear Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:23:49pm |
re: #8 Obdicut
Get him together with the anti-masturbation candidate and watch the fur fly.
giggity.
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the Yankee Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:24:07pm |
I wonder if Michael Steele is going to let them take of picture of him standing next to this guy. Or is he going to say that it is better not to support this guy at all.
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:25:26pm |
This is kind of funny.
Which means now Tancredo is ahead of the GOP teabagger and conspirawcy kook candidate Maes. They're both well behind Hickenlooper. This would be for Colorado governor.
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Velvet Elvis Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:25:52pm |
re: #13 the Yankee
I wonder if Michael Steele is going to let them take of picture of him standing next to this guy. Or is he going to say that it is better not to support this guy at all.
Do they care what Steele does anymore so long as he doesn't pee on the rug?
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:26:21pm |
re: #13 the Yankee
I wonder if Michael Steele is going to let them take of picture of him standing next to this guy. Or is he going to say that it is better not to support this guy at all.
Who?
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ModeratelyRight Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:26:40pm |
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Lidane Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:28:06pm |
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ClaudeMonet Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:28:59pm |
re: #15 Gus 802
This is kind of funny.
Which means now Tancredo is ahead of the GOP teabagger and conspirawcy kook candidate Maes. They're both well behind Hickenlooper. This would be for Colorado governor.
Leapfrog, huh? Sounds like some kind of gay anal sex game.
I hope Maes stays in the race, as it increases the chances of Hickenlooper winning IMO.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:29:26pm |
re: #9 jamesfirecat
Wow, I bet this will play real well with New Yorkers...
(Thinks about Park 51)
Great, now I'm really afraid that it just might...
It's possible it will play real well, considering that it was New Yorkers that nominated him... now, we have to see how many New Yorkers that will amount to in Nov. 2010
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ModeratelyRight Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:29:49pm |
re: #19 Lidane
Welcome to today's GOP. This is the party base now.
Looks like it. He won't get the general elections. Democrats will hobble him quick.
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Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:30:02pm |
It's a teabag world, and we're all just brewing in it.
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:30:28pm |
re: #20 ClaudeMonet
Leapfrog, huh? Sounds like some kind of gay anal sex game.
I hope Maes stays in the race, as it increases the chances of Hickenlooper winning IMO.
Hmm. I didn't think about that. I perish the thought of Tancredo being governor. He's another nut.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:30:35pm |
You know it's funny, I thought Bob McDonnell was kinda nutty here in Va last year but he looks absolutely sane to Carl Paladino.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:30:52pm |
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ClaudeMonet Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:31:09pm |
re: #19 Lidane
Welcome to today's GOP. This is the party base now.
No kidding. There hasn't been a party base this nutzoid since 1964. Even the Dems of 1984 and 1988 look reasonable by comparison.
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ModeratelyRight Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:31:28pm |
re: #23 Charles
It's a teabag world, and we're all just brewing in it.
Yuck. can't stand hot tea.... Much more a coffee drinker myself.
Now Ice Tea with lemon and sugar? Hell yes...
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freetoken Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:31:39pm |
Meanwhile, up in New Hampshire, Ovide M. Lamontagne is still up by 2000 votes.
As many on the net have linked, Lamontagne once said:
State education leaders say they will not intervene if the measure passes. The chairman of the State Board of Education, Ovide Lamontagne, said last Monday that he had no objection to a local district "teaching about creation science as an alternative to evolution" and that the Bible could appropriately be used in class as "anecdotal evidence" to support the lesson.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:32:22pm |
It's like the perfect political shitstorm. The GOP's most brain-dead, off the wall candidates come out of the wood works during mid-terms where the Dems are guaranteed to take a beating. Even if they fend off most of these kooks on the national level, I'm afraid that enough of them will succeed at the state and local levels to exploit the coming redistricting in their favor. Will the damage be permanent? Only time will tell.
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:32:52pm |
So tonight's winners are the anti-masturbation candidate in Delaware, Christing O'Donnell and the beastiality-porn candidate in New York, Carl Paladino.
I need a moment to contemplate this news.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:33:03pm |
Monday night Smackdown!! Teabagger vs. Socialist!!! In a steel cage!!
/comedy
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ClaudeMonet Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:33:06pm |
re: #30 Shiplord Kirel
And libs thought Nixon was crazy...
...and that GWB was some kind of theocrat.
Beware of voicing your darkest fears.
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Walter L. Newton Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:33:15pm |
re: #24 Gus 802
Hmm. I didn't think about that. I perish the thought of Tancredo being governor. He's another nut.
I'm not sure how well you have been keeping up with this Gus, but some of the biggest media pundits in the state are now cheering for Tancredo. Mike Rosen, who publically states that he doesn't agree with a lot of Tancredo's positions, is actively supporting him, because Rosen votes party, not person.
It's that kind of support, coming from the popular street that could put him in the governors seat.
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Lidane Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:33:27pm |
re: #27 ClaudeMonet
No kidding. There hasn't been a party base this nutzoid since 1964. Even the Dems of 1984 and 1988 look reasonable by comparison.
The sad thing is, the GOP base of 1964 looks sane compared to the current GOP. They've really gone off the deep end since Obama took office.
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ModeratelyRight Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:33:37pm |
re: #33 Cannadian Club Akbar
Monday night Smackdown!! Teabagger vs. Socialist!!! In a steel cage!!
/comedy
*snort*
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:33:56pm |
Hillary is becoming a lot more attractive.
Really.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:34:06pm |
re: #32 Gus 802
So tonight's winners are the anti-masturbation candidate in Delaware, Christing O'Donnell and the beastiality-porn candidate in New York, Carl Paladino.
I need a moment to contemplate this news.
I recommend something strong...Everclear might work.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:34:22pm |
re: #8 Obdicut
And if I may remind everyone, this guy is a real freak:
Get him together with the anti-masturbation candidate and watch the fur fly.
**speechless**
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ModeratelyRight Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:34:26pm |
re: #38 jaunte
It's a big tent, but don't touch it.
yeah, cause it might spit on ya...
I know, chorus now....
"Eeew!"
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:34:36pm |
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ClaudeMonet Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:34:38pm |
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:35:17pm |
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:35:28pm |
re: #39 researchok
Hillary is becoming a lot more attractive.
Really.
Honestly, out of all the candidates I saw back in '08, Hillary was probably the one I'd have been most inclined to vote for.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:35:37pm |
Oregon's republican candidate for Governor is a nice milquetoast basketball player who gives money to charity: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]
Rest of the country's gone crazy, but thankfully the Tea Party people are the fringe of the fringe here. Poor bastards demonstrated in the middle of PORTLAND. And the only reason the showed up at all is a local radio talker organized the event (Victoria Taft, who's sort of like a desperate wannabe Laura Ingraham, she has an unlistenably wobbly voice and loses her train of thought constantly) They didn't get counter protestors! They got giggling hipsters and college students gleefully taking pictures of them. Poor bastards, it was like they were in a zoo, Portland thought they were so adorable
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The Yankee Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:35:41pm |
I wonder if the the saner elected republicans really want some of these people elected.
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Lidane Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:36:12pm |
re: #30 Shiplord Kirel
And libs thought Nixon was crazy...
Shit. Nixon IS a liberal by today's Republican standards. Clean Air Act? Clean Water Act? Visiting Mao in China? Taking us off the gold standard?
The current GOP would be kicking him around even more than the Democrats ever did back then.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:36:47pm |
re: #4 simoom
[Link: www.paladinoforthepeople.com...]
The bolded bit is a real WTF!? to me.
Quite Concur. He and O'Donnell may have the primary voters nod, but they won't win the general. Hopefully, losing like this will take so wind out of the Tea Party's sails. With luck, today was their high-water mark.
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:36:49pm |
re: #35 Walter L. Newton
I'm not sure how well you have been keeping up with this Gus, but some of the biggest media pundits in the state are now cheering for Tancredo. Mike Rosen, who publically states that he doesn't agree with a lot of Tancredo's positions, is actively supporting him, because Rosen votes party, not person.
It's that kind of support, coming from the popular street that could put him in the governors seat.
Well. I don't put that much weight in Mike Rosen. People that listen to Mike Rosen would vote for either Maes or Tancredo. I doubt he he'll find many converts listening to his radio program. Hickenlooper still has that personality and money that will carry him through. The RNC will give zero to Tancredo.
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Varek Raith Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:36:53pm |
re: #50 Lidane
Shit. Nixon IS a liberal by today's Republican standards. Clean Air Act? Clean Water Act? Visiting Mao in China? Taking us off the gold standard?
The current GOP would be kicking him around even more than the Democrats ever did back then.
Reagan would be a RINO in today's GOP.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:36:54pm |
re: #48 WindUpBird
I mean, not to gloat, but I really like that oregon sorta forgets the rest of the country exists at times :D
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:37:23pm |
re: #24 Gus 802
Hmm. I didn't think about that. I perish the thought of Tancredo being governor. He's another nut.
The Latino's in your state perish the thought I'd guess.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:37:36pm |
re: #49 The Yankee
I wonder if the the saner elected republicans really want some of these people elected.
Oh, I'm sure there's a few of the old-guard guys who are watching the primaries that put these nutbars on the ballot and going "Shit, there goes the neighborhood."
Unfortunately, too many in the highest echelons have sold their souls for power to give a damn who's on the ballot, so long as they carry the best chance of winning in November.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:37:47pm |
re: #49 The Yankee
I wonder if the the saner elected republicans really want some of these people elected.
No, the don't, which is why they've been endorsing the losing candidates.
Only that they didn't expect them to lose.
In one way the Tea Partiers are correct - the GOP bosses in DC really are out of touch with their base.
Limbaugh, Beck, etc. are the ideological leaders of the base. This has been clear for some time now.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:37:51pm |
re: #54 WindUpBird
I mean, not to gloat, but I really like that oregon sorta forgets the rest of the country exists at times :D
After a doobie?
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:38:25pm |
re: #47 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Honestly, out of all the candidates I saw back in '08, Hillary was probably the one I'd have been most inclined to vote for.
Looking back, I heat that.
Had Obama spent that 50 billion on infrastrcuture first, he's have more credibiliy in my eyes.
The fact that bailout was in large measure a payoff to unions/voting blocks first, in my opinion, was not received well by many.
Then came the 'vote for it to know what is in it' debacle and it is easy to see why Hillary now has a lot more glamour.
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Shiplord Kirel Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:38:38pm |
re: #49 The Yankee
I wonder if the the saner elected republicans really want some of these people elected.
Mike Castle didn't. Actually, many of them would prefer not to see this but they either have to play along or get out. Talk radio and the teabaggers are that strong.
The problem isn't that the Republican Party is crazy, it's that Republican voters are crazy.
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webevintage Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:38:41pm |
The folks at Wonkette must be so happy tonight...
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Digital Display Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:38:49pm |
re: #54 WindUpBird
I mean, not to gloat, but I really like that oregon sorta forgets the rest of the country exists at times :D
I turned 21 at Whales Cove..
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:39:09pm |
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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:39:15pm |
It's not that I'm necessarily a big fan of Democrats; it's just that I really, really, really hate what seems to be the Republican boner magnet at the moment.
That said, WHERE THE FUCK IS THE DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION to all this shit?
I mean, really.
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Lidane Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:39:21pm |
re: #53 Varek Raith
Reagan would be a RINO in today's GOP.
Reagan, Nixon, both Bush presidents, Eisenhower, Teddy Roosevelt....every last one of them would be a RINO.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:39:24pm |
re: #53 Varek Raith
Reagan would be a RINO in today's GOP.
I consider myself a Reagan Republican. I miss that man.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:39:37pm |
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:39:42pm |
re: #32 Gus 802
So tonight's winners are the anti-masturbation candidate in Delaware, Christing O'Donnell and the beastiality-porn candidate in New York, Carl Paladino.
I need a moment to contemplate this news.
Sex obsessed representatives. Christians, right?
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:40:16pm |
re: #53 Varek Raith
Reagan would be a RINO in today's GOP.
I've heard a few Righties who've argued about Nixon, Reagan, and the modern GOP. They seem to be playing the same tune: "It didn't matter what they did, what matters is what they preached! And everything they preached, the GOP believes!"
Hell, there's not many historical Republican greats that would not be out of place in the modern GOP. Remember, these are folks who have decided that getting the "Neo-Confederate" vote means shitting on Lincoln is a-okay.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:40:17pm |
re: #64 negativ
It's not that I'm necessarily a big fan of Democrats; it's just that I really, really, really hate what seems to be the Republican boner magnet at the moment.
That said, WHERE THE FUCK IS THE DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION to all this shit?
I mean, really.
We rely on the kindness of strangers. Real strangers.
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Mr Pancakes Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:40:22pm |
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Varek Raith Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:40:24pm |
Scandal-plagued New York Rep. Charlie Rangel will win primary battle with five challengers, CNN projects
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Velvet Elvis Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:40:26pm |
re: #47 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Honestly, out of all the candidates I saw back in '08, Hillary was probably the one I'd have been most inclined to vote for.
The Clintons are why I voted for Nader in 2000. I'm a yellow dog democrat but I can't stand them.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:40:32pm |
re: #62 HoosierHoops
I turned 21 at Whales Cove..
I've never been there!
I turned 21 at the Fenix in Seattle, watching the Thrill Kill Kult play :D
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:40:52pm |
re: #53 Varek Raith
Reagan would be a RINO in today's GOP.
Hell, JFK and Patrick Moynihan couldn't get elected today.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:40:53pm |
re: #64 negativ
It's not that I'm necessarily a big fan of Democrats; it's just that I really, really, really hate what seems to be the Republican boner magnet at the moment.
That said, WHERE THE FUCK IS THE DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION to all this shit?
I mean, really.
Its the primaries. They want the worst possible candidates to run against them before they respond back.
It will be open season now.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:41:08pm |
re: #72 Varek Raith
"Scandal plagued" is a great turn of phrase :D
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:41:12pm |
re: #4 simoom
[Link: www.paladinoforthepeople.com...]
The bolded bit is a real WTF!? to me.
I don't think there's any loophole in eminent domain where government gets to not actually take the land, but refuse to let anyone build something on it that might upset a particular class of citizen. I could be wrong, I am not a legal expert of any kind. But that sounds kind of weird to me.
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blueraven Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:41:27pm |
re: #21 Walter L. Newton
It's possible it will play real well, considering that it was New Yorkers that nominated him... now, we have to see how many New Yorkers that will amount to in Nov. 2010
New York republicans. Cuomo is very popular in NY a traditionally blue state. I cant see this whack job beating him.
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Varek Raith Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:41:40pm |
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ClaudeMonet Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:41:44pm |
re: #64 negativ
It's not that I'm necessarily a big fan of Democrats; it's just that I really, really, really hate what seems to be the Republican boner magnet at the moment.
That said, WHERE THE FUCK IS THE DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION to all this shit?
I mean, really.
They've been doing the right thing, namely letting the Republicans beat up on each other. Now that the general election is getting closer, they can break out their guns. Of course, being Democrats, they may be reluctant, even terrified, about firing said guns, lest someone be offended.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:41:48pm |
re: #66 NJDhockeyfan
I consider myself a Reagan Republican. I miss that man.
You and a whole lot of others.
He was far from perfect but he was damn good.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:42:14pm |
re: #10 Conservative Moonbat
If I was a member of a "9-11 family" I'd say that all buildings insult me and that nothing can ever be built in all of lower Manhattan. Give it back to the injuns and tell 'em we want our beads back.
I suspect that New York's Native population would gladly cough up fifty-four dollars in beads and knives if offered Manhattan in exchange. Times have changed.
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Digital Display Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:42:17pm |
re: #67 Cannadian Club Akbar
I turned 21 on my birthday.
I turned 21 on the beach in Oregon at Whales Cove...On the BEACH CCA!
*wink*
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Velvet Elvis Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:42:32pm |
re: #64 negativ
It's not that I'm necessarily a big fan of Democrats; it's just that I really, really, really hate what seems to be the Republican boner magnet at the moment.
That said, WHERE THE FUCK IS THE DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION to all this shit?
I mean, really.
Because these are local races you're not going to see a ton at the national level.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:42:36pm |
re: #72 Varek Raith
Scandal-plagued New York Rep. Charlie Rangel will win primary battle with five challengers, CNN projects
No surprise. The Democrats haven't met a criminal they didn't support.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:42:51pm |
re: #72 Varek Raith
Scandal-plagued New York Rep. Charlie Rangel will win primary battle with five challengers, CNN projects
Who didn't see that, honestly? It's the same old game, ever election "Yeah, he's a bastard, but he's my bastard!"
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:43:01pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:43:15pm |
re: #75 researchok
Hell, JFK and Patrick Moynihan couldn't get elected today.
JFK would be a DINO today.
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simoom Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:43:21pm |
re: #29 freetoken
Meanwhile, up in New Hampshire, Ovide M. Lamontagne is still up by 2000 votes.
Ovide on abolishing the Dept of Education:
Ovide on how illegal immigration is an invasion of our country:
In the GOP Primary debate he was the only candidate to come out in support of both a constitutional Amendment banning same-sex marriage but also NH banning same-sex adoption.
He also supports a constitutional amendment banning abortion:
[Link: ovide2010.com...]
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:43:35pm |
re: #62 HoosierHoops
I turned 21 at Whales Cove..
I feel kind of like a whale out of water. Crazies won two primaries, and my mortgage payment went up (though its not a big increase, and its all escrow). Just a sucky day all around.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:43:40pm |
re: #49 The Yankee
I wonder if the the saner elected republicans really want some of these people elected.
Pretty sure they're drinking hard tonight.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:43:45pm |
re: #84 HoosierHoops
I turned 21 on the beach in Oregon at Whales Cove...On the BEACH CCA!
*wink*
I spent $100 on dollar night drink for my 21st. The next day hurt. Really bad.
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recusancy Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:43:50pm |
re: #82 researchok
You and a whole lot of others.
He was far from perfect but he was damn good.
I thought fiscal responsibility was your top concern?
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Velvet Elvis Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:43:54pm |
re: #79 blueraven
New York republicans. Cuomo is very popular in NY a traditionally blue state. I cant see this whack job beating him.
Not to mention the family name. I still wish his dad had run for president when he had a chance.
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The Yankee Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:43:59pm |
re: #60 Shiplord Kirel
Mike Castle didn't. Actually, many of them would prefer not to see this but they either have to play along or get out. Talk radio and the teabaggers are that strong.
The problem isn't that the Republican Party is crazy, it's that Republican voters are crazy.
I don't think that they are crazy I just think that people like dualism and hate nuance. No shades of grey. The constitution can't be a living document, Socialism=Communism= fascism=liberalism.......
Politicians use to be use to making their positions clear and obvious then being more nuance once they got elected, cause that is what reality calls for. These fools are hard liners.
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:44:06pm |
re: #1 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
The GOP's Psychotic Racist Candidate.
If you didn't specify Paladino, it would be hard to know who you were really talking about.
It's like Mad Libs, but with real life consequences.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:44:15pm |
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Lidane Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:44:18pm |
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webevintage Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:45:22pm |
re: #75 researchok
Hell, JFK and Patrick Moynihan couldn't get elected today.
You know what?
That is just bullshit.
Just like it is bullshit to call saving the jobs of teachers and policemen and firemen is a "payoff" to unions.
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prairiefire Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:46:01pm |
re: #98 celticdragon
It's like Mad Libs, but with real life consequences.
We love Mad Libs at our house.
I'm feeling a lot better about the Senate.
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Varek Raith Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:46:04pm |
Jesus would so be a progressive.
/stirring the pot
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:46:30pm |
re: #98 celticdragon
It's like Mad Libs, but with real life consequences.
Hey, CD. How was your day?
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:47:12pm |
re: #103 Varek Raith
Jesus would so be a progressive.
/stirring the pot
Defend that statement, please. Flesh out your argument .
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:47:14pm |
re: #90 NJDhockeyfan
JFK would be a DINO today.
Pretty much- can you imagine his anti communism speeches today? What Dem today would repeat his words?
“Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.”
Can you imagine Patrick Moynihan (a classical liberal I really admired!) making his family, marriage and out of wedlock children speeches today?
They'd be run out of town on a rail!
The game has changed.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:47:20pm |
re: #101 webevintage
You know what?
That is just bullshit.Just like it is bullshit to call saving the jobs of teachers and policemen and firemen is a "payoff" to unions.
I didn't know the UAW had teachers and police and firemen.
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ClaudeMonet Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:47:22pm |
re: #103 Varek Raith
Jesus would so be a progressive.
/stirring the pot
Jesus was a Capricorn
He ate organic food
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Velvet Elvis Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:47:41pm |
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:47:46pm |
Reagan I think would be hated by a lot of today's right because they would hate his friendly nature with his opponents. I am not a fan of Reagan's for ideological reasons but he did have the ability to make friends in the opposition. That's what those who cry for a new Reagan don't get often than not. Plus the fact that Reagan was an optimist while these people often than not act like we're in the Third Reich.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:47:55pm |
re: #101 webevintage
You know what?
That is just bullshit.Just like it is bullshit to call saving the jobs of teachers and policemen and firemen is a "payoff" to unions.
Uh...I was referring to the auto workers.
The teachers/cops came later.
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Decatur Deb Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:48:27pm |
It's been a fun night, but it only means we Dems won't get clobbered as much as we might. It will be interesting to see tomorrow's Intrade bets. 'Nite, all.
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Obdicut Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:48:30pm |
re: #106 researchok
Not really. There are blue dog Democrats who hold exactly those positions.
See Weiner's speech on Israel, or Stupak's speeches on abortion.
So, kind of the opposite of what you said.
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:48:39pm |
re: #99 Dark_Falcon
Me too.
Reagan would be a RINO now. We all know it. Whatever his flaws (and his stump speech about state rights at Philadelphia, Mississippi was not a good moment...), he still stood for actual, transcendent moral values. He tried to project and nourish the best in America. Those days are gone.
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:48:55pm |
If JFK was running today? And it was some kind of time warp? Well, the teabaggers would be calling him a Communist for being willing to meet with Khrushchev and they'd be up in arms about Civil Right which would be "an affront to state sovereignty." Then they'd be freaking out about the Peace Corps and would think that the space program should not be the job of the Federal government.
That's just for starters.
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Varek Raith Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:48:57pm |
re: #105 Dark_Falcon
Defend that statement, please. Flesh out your argument .
Busted.
I got nothing.
:/
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:49:21pm |
re: #57 freetoken
No, the don't, which is why they've been endorsing the losing candidates.
Only that they didn't expect them to lose.
In one way the Tea Partiers are correct - the GOP bosses in DC really are out of touch with their base.
Limbaugh, Beck, etc. are the ideological leaders of the base. This has been clear for some time now.
deserves the repost
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:49:57pm |
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The Yankee Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:50:08pm |
re: #64 negativ
It's not so much that there isn't none just hard to sell. The GOP has constantly been talking about how to sell and move their branding. And associating their politics with things that are cherish. Like linking lower taxes and freedom together. They got really good and selling the brand and at dis-respecting Obama. They should of looked behind and saw what they were bringing with them.
These are the people Republicans like Greesley run away from at GOP Conventions, and they might be his peers soon.
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Lidane Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:50:13pm |
re: #106 researchok
It's changed, but not that much. It all depends on the candidate.
Hell, look at Jim Webb. The guy served as Secretary of the Navy under Reagan, but won his Senate seat as a Democrat. I think JFK would be much the same type of candidate as Webb. In the right district or state, he'd win easily, just like other Blue Dogs have done.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:50:32pm |
re: #110 HappyWarrior
Reagan I think would be hated by a lot of today's right because they would hate his friendly nature with his opponents. I am not a fan of Reagan's for ideological reasons but he did have the ability to make friends in the opposition. That's what those who cry for a new Reagan don't get often than not. Plus the fact that Reagan was an optimist while these people often than not act like we're in the Third Reich.
I've always admired Reagan for the simple fact that he didn't take himself seriously. He didn't get uptight when people made jokes, he merely returned the favor. What we need, more than anything, is politicians who can laugh at themselves and tell jokes that people of every political stripe can laugh at without feeling "offended."
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:50:51pm |
re: #115 Gus 802
And the fact that Khrushchev crust him?
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Kragar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:51:06pm |
re: #108 ClaudeMonet
Jesus was a Capricorn
He ate organic food
All food is organic.
What? You eat silicates or something?
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Digital Display Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:51:07pm |
re: #103 Varek Raith
Jesus would so be a progressive.
/stirring the pot
LOL
Jesus would be running an anti-IRS cult in the Mountains making raids into town to turn over the money changers tables and get free Internet access to send out his secret Pirate message to the masses..
///teasing!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:51:32pm |
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:51:47pm |
re: #113 Obdicut
Not really. There are blue dog Democrats who hold exactly those positions.
See Weiner's speech on Israel, or Stupak's speeches on abortion.
So, kind of the opposite of what you said.
There are no Kennedy's or Moynihan's in Dem Party any more than there are Reagans of Buckely's to be found in the GOP.
Politics evolves- and not necessarily for the better.
My belief is that America's greatest strength lies in her ability to self correct.
It really is quite extraordinary.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:51:59pm |
re: #121 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I've always admired Reagan for the simple fact that he didn't take himself seriously. He didn't get uptight when people made jokes, he merely returned the favor. What we need, more than anything, is politicians who can laugh at themselves and tell jokes that people of every political stripe can laugh at without feeling "offended."
He was charming like that, but it was also terrifying. He'd dismiss facts by smiling and saying he didn't think that was true. It was a weird thing, with Reagan.
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ClaudeMonet Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:52:02pm |
re: #110 HappyWarrior
Reagan I think would be hated by a lot of today's right because they would hate his friendly nature with his opponents. I am not a fan of Reagan's for ideological reasons but he did have the ability to make friends in the opposition. That's what those who cry for a new Reagan don't get often than not. Plus the fact that Reagan was an optimist while these people often than not act like we're in the Third Reich.
Amen. Can you imagine the nerve, the effrontery of Reagan, actually sitting down with Tip O'Neill, the two Irishmen drinking lots of whiskey and making political deals in lieu of infinitely long partisan fights?
[Image of overstuffed clubwoman] Really, the idea of finding common ground with your opponents and working from there! That's just not how things are done!!
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:52:19pm |
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recusancy Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:52:26pm |
re: #124 HoosierHoops
LOL
Jesus would be running an anti-IRS cult in the Mountains making raids into town to turn over the money changers tables and get free Internet access to send out his secret Pirate message to the masses..
///teasing!
Coming into town once in a while to preach the good book(s) of Rand. ///
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Obdicut Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:53:11pm |
re: #127 researchok
There are no Kennedy's or Moynihan's in Dem Party any more than there are Reagans of Buckely's to be found in the GOP.
Why are you just ignoring Stupak?
I mean, he's not as smart a man as Mynihan, but he's pro-life.
Your statement that Moynihan couldn't get elected now is just demonstrably untrue. There are pro-life elected Democrats.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:53:17pm |
re: #131 recusancy
Coming into town once in a while to preach the good book(s) of Rand. ///
He's a Wheel of Time fan?
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webevintage Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:53:20pm |
re: #115 Gus 802
If JFK was running today? And it was some kind of time warp? Well, the teabaggers would be calling him a Communist for being willing to meet with Khrushchev and they'd be up in arms about Civil Right which would be "an affront to state sovereignty." Then they'd be freaking out about the Peace Corps and would think that the space program should not be the job of the Federal government.
That's just for starters.
Plus we would hear all about the scary Pope anti-Christ actually being in charge if JFK won the election because everyone knows what those Catholics are like.....
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:53:26pm |
re: #104 Dark_Falcon
Hey, CD. How was your day?
I haven't gotten a word document of that song to you yet. I haven't forgotten, though! :)
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:53:32pm |
re: #64 negativ
It's not that I'm necessarily a big fan of Democrats; it's just that I really, really, really hate what seems to be the Republican boner magnet at the moment.
That said, WHERE THE FUCK IS THE DEMOCRATIC OPPOSITION to all this shit?
I mean, really.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:53:33pm |
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recusancy Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:53:42pm |
re: #129 ClaudeMonet
Amen. Can you imagine the nerve, the effrontery of Reagan, actually sitting down with Tip O'Neill, the two Irishmen drinking lots of whiskey and making political deals in lieu of infinitely long partisan fights?
[Image of overstuffed clubwoman] Really, the idea of finding common ground with your opponents and working from there! That's just not how things are done!!
Obama tried and he got the finger in return.
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Lidane Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:53:45pm |
re: #123 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
All food is organic.
I beg to differ. Twinkies are not organic. They're some kind of mutant spawn that lives forever.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:53:50pm |
re: #120 Lidane
It's changed, but not that much. It all depends on the candidate.
Hell, look at Jim Webb. The guy served as Secretary of the Navy under Reagan, but won his Senate seat as a Democrat. I think JFK would be much the same type of candidate as Webb. In the right district or state, he'd win easily, just like other Blue Dogs have done.
That's a fair assessment.
Do you believe the Blue Dogs are part of i=of what is coming in the Dem party, or are they an anomaly? I really can't tell, though I think as the old guard moves on, the BD's may gain some real influence- if they can last.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:54:22pm |
Lamontagne's lead has been cut to 1400.
Long night in NH.
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cliffster Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:54:24pm |
re: #103 Varek Raith
Jesus would so be a progressive.
/stirring the pot
Jesus would fear the internet, that's for sure. Thou shalt not surf..
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The Yankee Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:54:32pm |
re: #127 researchok
I actually think it politics got worst because we know too much. My job would be semi impossible if my customer knew what I said among my colleagues.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:54:32pm |
re: #121 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I've always admired Reagan for the simple fact that he didn't take himself seriously. He didn't get uptight when people made jokes, he merely returned the favor. What we need, more than anything, is politicians who can laugh at themselves and tell jokes that people of every political stripe can laugh at without feeling "offended."
We need politicians who are willing to work with the other side and get stuff accomplished for the good of our country. Reagan was outstanding at finding a way to get both sides to pass legislation. It doesn't exist today.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:54:34pm |
re: #132 Obdicut
Why are you just ignoring Stupak?
I mean, he's not as smart a man as Mynihan, but he's pro-life.
Your statement that Moynihan couldn't get elected now is just demonstrably untrue. There are pro-life elected Democrats.
Shit the Democratic leader in the Senate is a pro life dude.
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:54:42pm |
re: #137 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
"We will bury you!"
We lost at Bay of Pigs because the Pentagon is being run by academic elitists!!11try
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Varek Raith Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:55:07pm |
re: #142 cliffster
Jesus would fear the internet, that's for sure. Thou shalt not surf..
Is that one of the other commandments the Moses accidentally dropped?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:55:47pm |
re: #147 Gus 802
We lost at Bay of Pigs because the Pentagon is being run by academic elitists!!11try
I thought we lost it because Kennedy didn't stick to his promises?
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Digital Display Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:55:51pm |
re: #131 recusancy
Coming into town once in a while to preach the good book(s) of Rand. ///
He might have preached em..But he never wrote one word...Not one word...
Typical Carpenter...Man of few words
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:55:53pm |
re: #128 SanFranciscoZionist
He was charming like that, but it was also terrifying. He'd dismiss facts by smiling and saying he didn't think that was true. It was a weird thing, with Reagan.
I think, in a weird way, that was what America needed during the 80's. They needed that smiling grandpa figure who stood at the podium and made them feel like everything was alright.
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bratwurst Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:56:24pm |
re: #87 NJDhockeyfan
No surprise. The Democrats haven't met a criminal they didn't support.
The guy who whines when he is lumped in with Rush Limbaugh wants to paint all Democrats as supporting criminals. Nice.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:56:31pm |
re: #129 ClaudeMonet
Amen. Can you imagine the nerve, the effrontery of Reagan, actually sitting down with Tip O'Neill, the two Irishmen drinking lots of whiskey and making political deals in lieu of infinitely long partisan fights?
[Image of overstuffed clubwoman] Really, the idea of finding common ground with your opponents and working from there! That's just not how things are done!!
You know sad to say but part of it may have been that shared WWII/Cold War experience thing that politicians had back then. Yeah they may disagree to death but they could at the end of the day laugh with each other and do shots. Politics seems more partisan now than it ever has past or present. I know it's been nasty in the past, hell did a paper on the 1800 election between Thomas Jefferson and John Adams but it just seems like it's gotten particularly nasty since the early 90's.
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Velvet Elvis Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:56:41pm |
re: #127 researchok
There are no Kennedy's or Moynihan's in Dem Party any more than there are Reagans of Buckely's to be found in the GOP.
Politics evolves- and not necessarily for the better.
My belief is that America's greatest strength lies in her ability to self correct.
It really is quite extraordinary.
My own congressman Jim Cooper is a Blue Dog who's pretty middle of the road. He's a defense hawk on the armed services committee, a deficit hawk who "doesn't do earmarks" (and Nashville General Hospital is suffering as a result) but was solidly behind Obama's health care plan and has support Obama on other key issues.
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:56:59pm |
re: #149 Cannadian Club Akbar
I thought we lost it because Kennedy didn't stick to his promises?
Don't ask me.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:57:12pm |
re: #151 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I think, in a weird way, that was what America needed during the 80's. They needed that smiling grandpa figure who stood at the podium and made them feel like everything was alright.
Reagan above all else was the right man in the right place at the right time.
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webevintage Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:57:36pm |
John Cole's rant tonight is kind of awesome:
Somewhere around the time I cracked the second bottle of wine I started watching Blade Runner, and the scene where Leon was told “The tortoise lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can’t. Not without your help. But you’re not helping…” I yelled out “give the fucker a tax cut and tell him to pull himself up by his boot straps.”
Oh, you’re gonna get your limited government, Christian style, and you’re gonna get it good, you morons- I may even chip in for the wetsuits and dildo for you special cases at Hit and Run. I can’t blame crazy people for being bat shit crazy, but I sure as hell can heap some scorn on pricks like the Reason writers for running rhetorical cover for the lunatics and helping to mainstream their insanity (I know, I know- you don’t PERSONALLY believe Obama is a Kenyan!). Y’all might as well write for Red State.
[Link: www.balloon-juice.com...]
heh
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:57:37pm |
re: #132 Obdicut
Why are you just ignoring Stupak?
I mean, he's not as smart a man as Mynihan, but he's pro-life.
Your statement that Moynihan couldn't get elected now is just demonstrably untrue. There are pro-life elected Democrats.
I wasn't referring to his pro life stance.
What came to mind was Moynihan's stance on out of wedlock children, marriage, etc.
Interestingly, I thought one of Obama's best speeches was the one that addressed those issues. He spoke sensitively, with dignity and at the same time, he was very dynamic.
After that speech, I never referred to him as a 'lightweight' again. It was clear these were issues he had devoted much effort.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:57:46pm |
re: #73 Conservative Moonbat
The Clintons are why I voted for Nader in 2000. I'm a yellow dog democrat but I can't stand them.
You fail completely at your yellowdogdem claim. Fail.
Find a new identity. (oh, and good luck)
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:57:47pm |
re: #138 recusancy
Obama tried and he got the
fingeraccused of treason, Marxism, Kenyanism, anti-colonialism, sekrit mooslimism, and hating mom, apple pie and cub scouts with American flags in return.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:58:27pm |
re: #156 Rightwingconspirator
Reagan above all else was the right man in the right place at the right time.
Bingo!!!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:58:34pm |
re: #140 researchok
That's a fair assessment.
Do you believe the Blue Dogs are part of i=of what is coming in the Dem party, or are they an anomaly? I really can't tell, though I think as the old guard moves on, the BD's may gain some real influence- if they can last.
I think the Blue Dogs aren't going anywhere. They're an integrated part of the party. THe only thing that might shift them would be if the Democrats, God forbid, get bit with the lefty version of the Tea Party virus and start running strongly to the left, pushing out DINOs. Never happened that I can think of, don't see why it would now.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:58:47pm |
re: #144 The Yankee
I actually think it politics got worst because we know too much. My job would be semi impossible if my customer knew what I said among my colleagues.
A lot if truth to that- and not all good news.
There seems to be a lot less thoughtfulness in media and by the pundit class.
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Obdicut Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:58:56pm |
re: #158 researchok
I wasn't referring to his pro life stance.
What came to mind was Moynihan's stance on out of wedlock children, marriage, etc.
Again: Totally typical in a wide swath of Democrats.
Your contention is demonstrably untrue.
Interestingly, I thought one of Obama's best speeches was the one that addressed those issues. He spoke sensitively, with dignity and at the same time, he was very dynamic.
And he didn't get ridden out of town on a rail.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:58:58pm |
re: #148 Varek Raith
Is that one of the other commandments the Moses accidentally dropped?
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:59:00pm |
re: #145 NJDhockeyfan
We need politicians who are willing to work with the other side and get stuff accomplished for the good of our country. Reagan was outstanding at finding a way to get both sides to pass legislation. It doesn't exist today.
That's because both sides now see it as a matter of pride, if not power, to get "their" bill passed without compromises and without major alteration. They don't want to share credit anymore, nor share blame, they want the former to always be theirs and the latter always the opposition's. It's ceased being "What's best for America?," and since become "What's best for the party?"
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:59:02pm |
Hey. If you brought JFK back from the dead and asked him if he would run for president he'd probably say, "what are you nuts?"
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freetoken Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:59:06pm |
It should be noted that Lamontagne's opponent, Kelly Ayotte, has been blessed with The Sarah Touch™.
So, frankly, it looks like the NH contest is between two right wingers - one is just better known than the other, and they are of different genders.
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pch Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:59:15pm |
re: #48 WindUpBird
Rest of the country's gone crazy, but thankfully the Tea Party people are the fringe of the fringe here. Poor bastards demonstrated in the middle of PORTLAND.
I love Portland. Any town that has a slutty gay mayor is A-OK with me. (Seriously.)
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The Yankee Tue, Sep 14, 2010 8:59:37pm |
If i had a time machine I would go back and delete those tapes that Nixon had and flatten the tires of the car the Watergate burglars use before they went there.
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Varek Raith Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:00:00pm |
re: #157 webevintage
Ouch.
Your days of esoterically talking about the virtues of Ayn Rand at DC wine and cheese parties are over, because you’re now bitches for Real ‘Murrika. Yeefuckinghaw! Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.Douchebags.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:00:08pm |
re: #151 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I think, in a weird way, that was what America needed during the 80's. They needed that smiling grandpa figure who stood at the podium and made them feel like everything was alright.
It was appealing, but God, some of the crap he got up to under cover of that smiley face...
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:00:20pm |
re: #162 SanFranciscoZionist
I think the Blue Dogs aren't going anywhere. They're an integrated part of the party. THe only thing that might shift them would be if the Democrats, God forbid, get bit with the lefty version of the Tea Party virus and start running strongly to the left, pushing out DINOs. Never happened that I can think of, don't see why it would now.
Question: How much pressure are the BD's under from party bosses? Seems to me they have a lot to deal with.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:01:05pm |
re: #167 Gus 802
Hey. If you brought JFK back from the dead and asked him if he would run for president he'd probably say, "what are you nuts?"
LOLOL
Second line of day.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:01:31pm |
re: #162 SanFranciscoZionist
I think the Blue Dogs aren't going anywhere. They're an integrated part of the party. THe only thing that might shift them would be if the Democrats, God forbid, get bit with the lefty version of the Tea Party virus and start running strongly to the left, pushing out DINOs. Never happened that I can think of, don't see why it would now.
I can't imagine the Dems here doing something like tonight and kicking out Mark Warner (a moderate Dem) in exchange for a far lefty and it really is stuff like that we're seeing tonight and other nights in the Republican Party. When the Dems regained Congress in 2006, a lot of the big names elected weren't firebreathing liberals. Heck Jim Webb as pointed out was a Reagan administration official, very pro 2nd amendment, etc.
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recusancy Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:01:33pm |
re: #173 researchok
Question: How much pressure are the BD's under from party bosses? Seems to me they have a lot to deal with.
Party bosses? Who are they? If Dems had party bosses they'd be more organized.
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ClaudeMonet Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:01:39pm |
re: #151 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I think, in a weird way, that was what America needed during the 80's. They needed that smiling grandpa figure who stood at the podium and made them feel like everything was alright.
I don't believe he ever said everything was alright. He generally said that things were not as bad as some thought and that they could be alright.
The man was an optimist and a realist at the same time. He had an ideology, a base you might say, and he was neither afraid to stick with it nor afraid to make a deal if he thought he wasn't betraying his basic principles.
He also knew how to talk to the people like few before him and none since.
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:01:40pm |
By the way. I don't think you can compare the Democratic electorate of 2008 with that of 2010 and 2012. I think you're going to be looking at a very different animal this time around.
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:01:41pm |
re: #173 researchok
Question: How much pressure are the BD's under from party bosses? Seems to me they have a lot to deal with.
The BD's are under far more threat from tea party opponents than the DNC. Most of the Blue Dogs are in Tea Party states.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:01:57pm |
OK. Covert Affairs is on and I need to look at my new girlfriend who doesn't know she is my girlfriend. BBIAB.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:02:14pm |
re: #148 Varek Raith
Is that one of the other commandments the Moses accidentally dropped?
"The Lord, the Lord Jehovah has given unto you these fifteen...*CRACK!*...Oy. Ten! Ten Commandments for all to heed and obey!"
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freetoken Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:02:19pm |
re: #170 The Yankee
At times I wonder if I had a time machine if there is anything I would go back and try to change.
I come up with a few proposals, but then I wonder how the consequences might turn out worse than what we have today.
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Lidane Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:02:20pm |
re: #140 researchok
That's a fair assessment.
Do you believe the Blue Dogs are part of i=of what is coming in the Dem party, or are they an anomaly? I really can't tell, though I think as the old guard moves on, the BD's may gain some real influence- if they can last.
Blue Dogs aren't going anywhere. There will ALWAYS be a place for them in the Democratic party, no matter how the far left might feel about that.
Back in 2006, I remember Kos arguing vehemently with people on his own site who were offended/pissed that he was supporting a more conservative Dem like Webb for office when there was a perfectly acceptable progressive alternative. Kos made the point that ideological purity didn't mean shit if they couldn't win. Guys like Jim Webb could win in the more conservative states and districts, and that was what mattered.
It's the total opposite of what Limbaugh spewed today. Get people who are electable in an area to run. Screw sticking to some laundry list of Good Ideas and Bad Ideas. If they can win, support them, but don't be afraid to criticize them if they're wrong.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:02:49pm |
re: #164 Obdicut
Again: Totally typical in a wide swath of Democrats.
Your contention is demonstrably untrue.
And he didn't get ridden out of town on a rail.
OK, it is a wide swath.
As for the speech, I think it was superb. Jesse Jackson did beat up on him as I recall, but that was just sour grapes.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:03:25pm |
re: #145 NJDhockeyfan
We need politicians who are willing to work with the other side and get stuff accomplished for the good of our country. Reagan was outstanding at finding a way to get both sides to pass legislation. It doesn't exist today.
The difference is the measured respect instead of the blatant contempt. Seriously, they need that leap of faith in one another. Tip O'Neill and Reagan. Believe it or not-Newt and Pres Clinton. Johnson and the Republicans of the day.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:03:35pm |
re: #172 SanFranciscoZionist
It was appealing, but God, some of the crap he got up to under cover of that smiley face...
Yeah, that's the magic of hindsight. Knowing what we know now, I doubt many of our former presidents would have stood a chance at election the first time around.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:03:49pm |
re: #176 recusancy
Party bosses? Who are they? If Dems had party bosses they'd be more organized.
Didn't Reid/Pelosi smack them around prior to the TARP/Bailout vote?
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:04:19pm |
re: #185 Rightwingconspirator
The difference is the measured respect instead of the blatant contempt. Seriously, they need that leap of faith in one another. Tip O'Neill and Reagan. Believe it or not-Newt and Pres Clinton. Johnson and the Republicans of the day.
3 pointer.
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:04:27pm |
re: #187 researchok
Didn't Reid/Pelosi smack them around prior to the TARP/Bailout vote?
Reid?
BWAHAHAHAHA...!
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:05:00pm |
Brilliance. Excellent commentary on LGF.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:05:03pm |
re: #173 researchok
Question: How much pressure are the BD's under from party bosses? Seems to me they have a lot to deal with.
Remember, Democrats are famous for lousy party discipline. And they're a big caucus, which gives them some support. I'm not enough of a Beltway Watcher to give you a really good answer to that though.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:05:12pm |
re: #166 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
That's because both sides now see it as a matter of pride, if not power, to get "their" bill passed without compromises and without major alteration. They don't want to share credit anymore, nor share blame, they want the former to always be theirs and the latter always the opposition's. It's ceased being "What's best for America?," and since become "What's best for the party?"
More like 'What's best for votes". It's a damn shame. This is why a lot of politicians who have been around for a while are going to lose. Americans are tired of the bullshit.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:06:16pm |
re: #135 celticdragon
I haven't gotten a word document of that song to you yet. I haven't forgotten, though! :)
Thanks. If you want to just post it, that's fine too. It would make an excellent LGF page.
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recusancy Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:06:39pm |
re: #187 researchok
Didn't Reid/Pelosi smack them around prior to the TARP/Bailout vote?
Yeah, they "whip" up votes. But they aren't trying to kick them out of the party if they don't vote their way. Hell, Obama went and campaigned for Blanche Lincoln against a more progressive candidate after being a thorn in his side every chance she had. Just because the Republicans do something doesn't mean there's an automatic equivalent on the Dem side.
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:06:45pm |
re: #185 Rightwingconspirator
The difference is the measured respect instead of the blatant contempt. Seriously, they need that leap of faith in one another. Tip O'Neill and Reagan. Believe it or not-Newt and Pres Clinton. Johnson and the Republicans of the day.
I predict something similar with Obama and the GOP House after November. In my opinion I think Obama will be open to compromising with the GOP on many issues. This will surprise both Democrat and Republican voters as they both seek to find common ground on many issues.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:07:18pm |
re: #183 Lidane
Blue Dogs aren't going anywhere. There will ALWAYS be a place for them in the Democratic party, no matter how the far left might feel about that.
Back in 2006, I remember Kos arguing vehemently with people on his own site who were offended/pissed that he was supporting a more conservative Dem like Webb for office when there was a perfectly acceptable progressive alternative. Kos made the point that ideological purity didn't mean shit if they couldn't win. Guys like Jim Webb could win in the more conservative states and districts, and that was what mattered.
It's the total opposite of what Limbaugh spewed today. Get people who are electable in an area to run. Screw sticking to some laundry list of Good Ideas and Bad Ideas. If they can win, support them, but don't be afraid to criticize them if they're wrong.
I hear that, though I don't necessarily believe KOS remarks are written in stone. Hell would freeze over before I'd support a TP candidate- even if they could win.
As for Limabugh, well, let's just say I've evolved.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:07:25pm |
re: #183 Lidane
Blue Dogs aren't going anywhere. There will ALWAYS be a place for them in the Democratic party, no matter how the far left might feel about that.
Back in 2006, I remember Kos arguing vehemently with people on his own site who were offended/pissed that he was supporting a more conservative Dem like Webb for office when there was a perfectly acceptable progressive alternative. Kos made the point that ideological purity didn't mean shit if they couldn't win. Guys like Jim Webb could win in the more conservative states and districts, and that was what mattered.
It's the total opposite of what Limbaugh spewed today. Get people who are electable in an area to run. Screw sticking to some laundry list of Good Ideas and Bad Ideas. If they can win, support them, but don't be afraid to criticize them if they're wrong.
I know this will sound sacrilegious and all, but I think Rush is right...to a degree. That we are where we are now because the two parties have put winning above all else, even selling out their ideals and beliefs to win enough votes to get over the finish line. That leads to parties that are so fractured that they first have to fight amongst themselves before they can even fight against the opposition party.
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:07:43pm |
re: #192 NJDhockeyfan
More like 'What's best for votes". It's a damn shame. This is why a lot of politicians who have been around for a while are going to lose. Americans are tired of the bullshit.
And thusly are voting for people who are head trauma crazy. Shit house rat crazy. Mixed bennies with LSD and heroin crazy.
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:08:02pm |
Either that or I'm completely wrong and the House GOP and the White House will be at each others throat until 2012.
Whew.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:08:12pm |
re: #191 SanFranciscoZionist
Remember, Democrats are famous for lousy party discipline. And they're a big caucus, which gives them some support. I'm not enough of a Beltway Watcher to give you a really good answer to that though.
I hear that. I can't get a feel for the environment the BD's find themselves.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:08:26pm |
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sagehen Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:08:38pm |
re: #194 recusancy
Yeah, they "whip" up votes. But they aren't trying to kick them out of the party if they don't vote their way. Hell, Obama went and campaigned for Blanche Lincoln against a more progressive candidate after being a thorn in his side every chance she had. Just because the Republicans do something doesn't mean there's an automatic equivalent on the Dem side.
I bet Reid and Obama regret deeply how many breaks they cut Joe Lieberman.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:08:45pm |
re: #183 Lidane
Blue Dogs aren't going anywhere. There will ALWAYS be a place for them in the Democratic party, no matter how the far left might feel about that.
Back in 2006, I remember Kos arguing vehemently with people on his own site who were offended/pissed that he was supporting a more conservative Dem like Webb for office when there was a perfectly acceptable progressive alternative. Kos made the point that ideological purity didn't mean shit if they couldn't win. Guys like Jim Webb could win in the more conservative states and districts, and that was what mattered.
It's the total opposite of what Limbaugh spewed today. Get people who are electable in an area to run. Screw sticking to some laundry list of Good Ideas and Bad Ideas. If they can win, support them, but don't be afraid to criticize them if they're wrong.
I've been denounced by many a hard lefty for voting Democrat at all. The guys who get the nomination are never pure enough for them, so they end up voting something else.
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lostlakehiker Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:09:06pm |
re: #78 SanFranciscoZionist
I don't think there's any loophole in eminent domain where government gets to not actually take the land, but refuse to let anyone build something on it that might upset a particular class of citizen. I could be wrong, I am not a legal expert of any kind. But that sounds kind of weird to me.
Actually, there is. An elderly companion of a distant relative inherited his considerable land holdings in Oregon. She was prevented from selling by just such laws---she owned the land, and it was in theory very valuable, but!
The IRS valued her inheritance fairly, taking into account the potential for building on the land. Since she couldn't sell the land, she had to fork over all her cash.
Now, land-rich but cash poor, she was not equipped to fight OR law. She was unable to pay the taxes on the land, and she lost everything. From multi-millionaire, to pauper.
Well connected insiders bought up the land for a song, the rules were relaxed, and fortunes were made.
Bah!
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:09:07pm |
re: #184 researchok
OK, it is a wide swath.
As for the speech, I think it was superb. Jesse Jackson did beat up on him as I recall, but that was just sour grapes.
Was that the episode where Jackson said he wanted to castrate him?
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Lidane Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:09:12pm |
re: #176 recusancy
Party bosses? Who are they? If Dems had party bosses they'd be more organized.
"Organized" and "Democratic Party" don't belong in the same sentence.
Honestly, just look at the differences in organization between Obama and Clinton in 2008. Clinton ran a more traditional Democratic campaign and blew off large swaths of the country while Obama took Howard Dean's 50'state strategy to heart. While Hillary was focusing on the big states, Obama was getting people on the ground everywhere to work for him and to get the word out. That strategy came in handy against McCain, too.
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The Yankee Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:09:23pm |
re: #182 freetoken
Well the main reason why i would do that is because I want the media to stop using the prefix "gate" that is all I ask.
Well that and I think allot of the wrong people got involved in politics. Part of the reason I hate Reagan is cause he help made the Republican Party into a one philosophy deal. I think the Republicans need a few Rockafellas, Eisenhower, and Lincolns in there. God when was the last time a Republican admitted to Looking up to Lincoln or Eisenhower. In fact maybe some one should point to Eisenhower with this Muslims in the military and Park 51. Seems like pointing out that a guy with a german name......never mind.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:09:42pm |
re: #185 Rightwingconspirator
The difference is the measured respect instead of the blatant contempt. Seriously, they need that leap of faith in one another. Tip O'Neill and Reagan. Believe it or not-Newt and Pres Clinton. Johnson and the Republicans of the day.
That was back before 24 News networks and the Internet. Back then you didn't need to throw so much red meat to the base. Reagan and O'Neill would not be nearly as willing to talk to each other today, were they reincarnated into the current political world.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:09:48pm |
Sean Hannity is a fucking douchebag. And I mean that as no slight against fucking douchebags.
Karl Rove has to be thinking, What the fuck am I doing on this idiot's show?
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:09:48pm |
re: #199 Gus 802
Either that or I'm completely wrong and the House GOP and the White House will be at each others throat until 2012.
Whew.
Either way, there will be blood.
Think of Congress as Roman Coliseum. The people want blood.
Depressing, you know?
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Digital Display Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:10:01pm |
re: #167 Gus 802
Hey. If you brought JFK back from the dead and asked him if he would run for president he'd probably say, "what are you nuts?"
What is a man's full measure?
Putting a Sailor on your broken back and swimming to safety...Swimming out in the South Pacific in the the middle of the night with a lantern between his teeth to save his crew? JFK would still run for president...He had and lived the badge of courage that inspired a generation
RIP Jack
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recusancy Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:10:11pm |
re: #206 Lidane
"Organized" and "Democratic Party" don't belong in the same sentence.
Honestly, just look at the differences in organization between Obama and Clinton in 2008. Clinton ran a more traditional Democratic campaign and blew off large swaths of the country while Obama took Howard Dean's 50'state strategy to heart. While Hillary was focusing on the big states, Obama was getting people on the ground everywhere to work for him and to get the word out. That strategy came in handy against McCain, too.
I know. I was one of those people on the ground for Obama through the primaries and beyond.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:10:17pm |
re: #205 SanFranciscoZionist
Was that the episode where Jackson said he wanted to castrate him?
LOLOL
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:10:47pm |
re: #210 researchok
Either way, there will be blood.
Think of Congress as Roman Coliseum. The people want blood.
Depressing, you know?
I hope not. It would be best for our country if they worked together. I can dream!
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freetoken Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:11:15pm |
Here's the choices the NH Republicans had:
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:11:17pm |
re: #199 Gus 802
Either that or I'm completely wrong and the House GOP and the White House will be at each others throat until 2012.
Whew.
I give a better than 50/50 chance that a GOP house will vote to impeach. It worked pretty well the last time, and destroyed the second half of the Clinton Presidency. The GOP is already figuring there will be no public impediment or price to pay at poll time if they do it again.
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pch Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:11:29pm |
re: #195 Gus 802
In my opinion I think Obama will be open to compromising with the GOP on many issues.
However, the reverse is not true, and never will be. The Grand Old Tea Party has one objective and one objective only: to destroy Obama by any means necessary. The Bipartisan Ship, having been torpedoed by Gingrich & Co. fifteen years ago, is firmly lodged in the ocean bottom and will not refloat anytime soon.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:11:54pm |
re: #200 researchok
I hear that. I can't get a feel for the environment the BD's find themselves.
Remember, a lot of them hold Southern seats that WOULD go to a Republican if there wasn't a sufficiently conservative Democrat running, and the party knows it. They play a vital role in the Democratic biosphere.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:12:13pm |
re: #195 Gus 802
I would like to see that happen. Just as Pres. Obama moved to center by sheer literal necessity (IMO) particularly in wars and crisis (economic) the rank and file legislature must do the same. Love to see that shared experience. Not holding my breath but yeah that would be a serious improvement.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:12:15pm |
re: #119 The Yankee
It's not so much that there isn't none just hard to sell. The GOP has constantly been talking about how to sell and move their branding. And associating their politics with things that are cherish. Like linking lower taxes and freedom together. They got really good and selling the brand and at dis-respecting Obama. They should of looked behind and saw what they were bringing with them.
These are the people Republicans like Greesley run away from at GOP Conventions, and they might be his peers soon.
DEMOCRACY = PR CAMPAIGN
Please let the concientious rise above.
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lostlakehiker Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:12:21pm |
As to Paladino, Holy Moley! Sometimes I lean toward less dramatic characterizations of the perversion and wickedness of various Republicans than our gracious host provides, but this time, really, the English language needs a new Shakespeare to adequately curse him.
I'd say he's a horse's ass, but that would just get him worked up. Ewww.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:12:52pm |
re: #214 Gus 802
I hope not. It would be best for our country if they worked together. I can dream!
Put down the bong.
/
Seriously, I just don't see real bipartisan efforts in Congress. There will have to be big changes- as in House cleaning.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:13:08pm |
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:13:16pm |
re: #209 darthstar
Sean Hannity is a fucking douchebag. And I mean that as no slight against fucking douchebags.
[Video]Karl Rove has to be thinking, What the fuck am I doing on this idiot's show?
Read the comments at Hannity's site. They are screaming about Rove being a RINO. No joke.
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webevintage Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:13:30pm |
re: #210 researchok
Either way, there will be blood.
I can't wait for the "I drink your milkshake" speech....
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:13:54pm |
re: #219 Rightwingconspirator
I would like to see that happen. Just as Pres. Obama moved to center by sheer literal necessity (IMO) particularly in wars and crisis (economic) the rank and file legislature must do the same. Love to see that shared experience. Not holding my breath but yeah that would be a serious improvement.
My theory is he'll compromise on the economy and with spending. The market will respond and the economy will be vastly improved by 2012 and Obama will be re-elected.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:13:59pm |
re: #217 pch
However, the reverse is not true, and never will be. The Grand Old Tea Party has one objective and one objective only: to destroy Obama by any means necessary. The Bipartisan Ship, having been torpedoed by Gingrich & Co. fifteen years ago, is firmly lodged in the ocean bottom and will not refloat anytime soon.
Ayep. The Right side of the aisle has made it clear that their mission is to see Obama removed from office come 2012. They are going to spend the next years torpedoing any bill that they cannot take credit for, making ridiculous demands and then digging their feet in when their demands aren't met, and beating the ODS drum with the claim that it's Obama who's causing all these problems because he's not willing to "compromise."
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ClaudeMonet Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:14:00pm |
re: #185 Rightwingconspirator
The difference is the measured respect instead of the blatant contempt. Seriously, they need that leap of faith in one another. Tip O'Neill and Reagan. Believe it or not-Newt and Pres Clinton. Johnson and the Republicans of the day.
Farther back, Eisenhower with Sam Rayburn and LBJ (Speaker and Senate Majority Leader, respectively).
Besides the fact that today's world allows no time for reason, real negotiation, private conversation, and gradual compromise, these were also people who understood that they didn't have to win each and every little battle. They valued macro over micro. Today's politicians view government as blood sport--"I must win every battle and kill all enemies or I will be killed".
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:14:51pm |
re: #202 sagehen
I bet Reid and Obama regret deeply how many breaks they cut Joe Lieberman.
I've hated that guy since the Mortal Kombat days
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:15:00pm |
re: #223 researchok
Put down the bong.
/Seriously, I just don't see real bipartisan efforts in Congress. There will have to be big changes- as in House cleaning.
I'm still banking on seeing a repeat of Clinton and Newt to a great extent.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:15:02pm |
re: #218 SanFranciscoZionist
Remember, a lot of them hold Southern seats that WOULD go to a Republican if there wasn't a sufficiently conservative Democrat running, and the party knows it. They play a vital role in the Democratic biosphere.
Right- that's the Texas truth. A Dem in Texas is a Republican anywhere else.
I believe the BD's serve an important role- they can siphon off the unhappy conservative votes from the TP, as long as they remain real BD's.
Hell of story that is gong to play out.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:15:02pm |
re: #195 Gus 802
I predict something similar with Obama and the GOP House after November. In my opinion I think Obama will be open to compromising with the GOP on many issues. This will surprise both Democrat and Republican voters as they both seek to find common ground on many issues.
That might happen. He's not getting much done right now with his party in charge of both houses. Something's got to give.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:15:40pm |
re: #208 Dark_Falcon
That was back before 24 News networks and the Internet. Back then you didn't need to throw so much red meat to the base. Reagan and O'Neill would not be nearly as willing to talk to each other today, were they reincarnated into the current political world.
Yeah likely so. It is on the individuals there moment by moment to overcome that dysfunctional influence. Time to resurrect the "back room" for bipartisan conversations.
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lostlakehiker Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:15:50pm |
re: #217 pch
However, the reverse is not true, and never will be. The Grand Old Tea Party has one objective and one objective only: to destroy Obama by any means necessary. The Bipartisan Ship, having been torpedoed by Gingrich & Co. fifteen years ago, is firmly lodged in the ocean bottom and will not refloat anytime soon.
Well, we still face the same reality Ben Franklin brought to our attention long ago. We must hang together, or we shall assuredly hang separately. The SHIP sinks or floats as a whole. No party can torpedo her and float away from the shipwreck.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:16:55pm |
re: #231 Gus 802
I'm still banking on seeing a repeat of Clinton and Newt to a great extent.
Hey- better the devil you know than the ones you don't.
Seriously.
Of course, Newt has gone nuts, but hey, he's in DC. Fits right in.
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:16:58pm |
re: #223 researchok
Put down the bong.
/Seriously, I just don't see real bipartisan efforts in Congress. There will have to be big changes- as in House cleaning.
No. The current poisonous dealings in Congress reflect a thirty year shift in the electorate towards polarization, hate and venom. Cleaning house will bring in a duplicate crop of the same thing. The change has to be in the electorate. That is a generational process, and the indicators are pointing the opposite direction towards extremism and violence rather than comity.
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Lidane Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:17:13pm |
re: #196 researchok
I hear that, though I don't necessarily believe KOS remarks are written in stone. Hell would freeze over before I'd support a TP candidate- even if they could win.
As for Limabugh, well, let's just say I've evolved.
The comments Kos made back then have to be understood in context.
He was telling the far left that they had to get over themselves and accept that moderate and conservative Dems were going to be supported if they could win somewhere, because the whole point was to win, not play around with ideological purity games. I don't think he was making a general statement about electoral strategy for the Republicans, but just telling the moonbats to STFU and deal with the fact that he was going to support the guy who could win, even if he wasn't a hard lefty.
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:17:28pm |
re: #233 NJDhockeyfan
That might happen. He's not getting much done right now with his party in charge of both houses. Something's got to give.
I hope it does. Something has to give and Tea Party kooks aside sometimes opposing parties in power results in good things.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:17:43pm |
re: #235 lostlakehiker
Well, we still face the same reality Ben Franklin brought to our attention long ago. We must hang together, or we shall assuredly hang separately. The SHIP sinks or floats as a whole. No party can torpedo her and float away from the shipwreck.
Sadly, the TP crowd, when it's pointed out to them that drilling a hole only on their side of the boat will sink the whole thing, suggest that if the RINOs and progs don't like it, they should get out of the boat.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:17:45pm |
re: #231 Gus 802
I'm still banking on seeing a repeat of Clinton and Newt to a great extent.
I can't say as I see a Newt analogue amongst the current GOP ranks. I know Paul Ryan's giving it his best, pushing his "Plan" that consists mostly of Newt's left-overs from the 90's as a means of fighting the deficits and ultimately the debt. But I get the impression that, amongst the party leadership, he's still sitting at the equivalent of the kiddie table, there for his vote and not much else.
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Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:17:50pm |
re: #225 celticdragon
Read the comments at Hannity's site. They are screaming about Rove being a RINO. No joke.
Implosion.
They won't admit it though.
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webevintage Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:17:53pm |
re: #228 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Ayep. The Right side of the aisle has made it clear that their mission is to see Obama removed from office come 2012. They are going to spend the next years torpedoing any bill that they cannot take credit for, making ridiculous demands and then digging their feet in when their demands aren't met, and beating the ODS drum with the claim that it's Obama who's causing all these problems because he's not willing to "compromise."
I'm amazed how well that line has worked.
You can see it repeated in the threads here..."If only Obama would reach across the aisle and be just a bit bi-partisan"....
The need for Republicans to destroy this President is the only reason I can find for the majority of them voting against the bill passed today in the Senate to help small businesses.
I thought they were all about helping small businesses...maybe it is just that 2% that makes over $250,000 a year.
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Lidane Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:18:04pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:18:29pm |
re: #233 NJDhockeyfan
That might happen. He's not getting much done right now with his party in charge of both houses. Something's got to give.
Passing health care reform doesn't count, huh?
You know, that thing that people have been trying to pass for decades? That thing that Boehner threw a fit on and failed to stop? That thing that siezed the discourse for months with apocalyptic GOP predictions>
As far as I'm concerned, Obama has already fulfilled my expectations
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:18:32pm |
re: #236 researchok
Hey- better the devil you know than the ones you don't.
Seriously.
Of course, Newt has gone nuts, but hey, he's in DC. Fits right in.
Oh I know. This is not the Newt of old. Same holds true of the ever morphing McCain. I meant that in a metaphorical sense.
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ClaudeMonet Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:18:38pm |
re: #195 Gus 802
I predict something similar with Obama and the GOP House after November. In my opinion I think Obama will be open to compromising with the GOP on many issues. This will surprise both Democrat and Republican voters as they both seek to find common ground on many issues.
I doubt it. For compromise and common ground to be found, both sides have to be both willing to "go there" and able to work together. A House led by John Boehner will never be willing to go beyond its narrowness and its bunker mentality.
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pch Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:18:55pm |
re: #235 lostlakehiker
Well, we still face the same reality Ben Franklin brought to our attention long ago. We must hang together, or we shall assuredly hang separately. The SHIP sinks or floats as a whole. No party can torpedo her and float away from the shipwreck.
Well, quite. Unfortunately, it will take a major national catastrophe -- like Yellowstone erupting or a complete economic meltdown or the aftermath of a Palin presidency -- to create such an atmosphere of comity again.
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:19:34pm |
re: #249 Rightwingconspirator
From your mouth to...
God's ear? We'll find out soon enough. Would probably take within a year.
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Varek Raith Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:20:12pm |
re: #248 pch
Well, quite. Unfortunately, it will take a major national catastrophe -- like Yellowstone erupting or a complete economic meltdown or the aftermath of a Palin presidency -- to create such an atmosphere of comity again.
So, what you're saying is all I need to do is make the Yellowstone Caldera explode?
I got ya. Give me an hour.
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webevintage Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:20:36pm |
re: #233 NJDhockeyfan
That might happen. He's not getting much done right now with his party in charge of both houses. Something's got to give.
Actually the house has gotten a lot done, the problem has been the Senate....
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:20:37pm |
re: #225 celticdragon
Read the comments at Hannity's site. They are screaming about Rove being a RINO. No joke.
Well Fuck Them. Karl Rove was honestly stating the political facts. If the teabaggers can't deal it, that's their fault, not Rove's.
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:20:50pm |
re: #247 ClaudeMonet
I doubt it. For compromise and common ground to be found, both sides have to be both willing to "go there" and able to work together. A House led by John Boehner will never be willing to go beyond its narrowness and its bunker mentality.
The GOP house will be empowered to one end, and one end alone. Investigate, accuse and bring charges.
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palomino Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:20:57pm |
Paladino's act might play in certain red states. But this is NY, and if you piss off most of the folks downstate (NYC), it doesn't matter how popular you might be upstate in Buffalo.
Even current Gov. Paterson could probably beat this clown.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:21:13pm |
re: #237 celticdragon
No. The current poisonous dealings in Congress reflect a thirty year shift in the electorate towards polarization, hate and venom. Cleaning house will bring in a duplicate crop of the same thing. The change has to be in the electorate. That is a generational process, and the indicators are pointing the opposite direction towards extremism and violence rather than comity.
Excellent- right up my alley.
As soon as I read that, I agreed with the sentiment in it's entirety. Further, the process is a long one.
Many analysts believe that if a peace treaty between the Israelis and Palestinians were signed tomorrow, it would take 30 years- a new generation for real normalizations to occur. There are no overnight miracles.
While I don't believe it will take 30 years here, it will take a generational shift.
Great insight.
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:21:35pm |
re: #247 ClaudeMonet
I doubt it. For compromise and common ground to be found, both sides have to be both willing to "go there" and able to work together. A House led by John Boehner will never be willing to go beyond its narrowness and its bunker mentality.
I don't know. Boehner was open to compromising on the tax cut expiration before he was rebuked. Stranger things have happened.
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:21:53pm |
re: #253 Dark_Falcon
Well Fuck Them. Karl Rove was honestly stating the political facts. If the teabaggers can't deal it, that's their fault, not Rove's.
Blind ideology is impervious to reason or empirical facts.
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:21:58pm |
re: #225 celticdragon
Read the comments at Hannity's site. They are screaming about Rove being a RINO. No joke.
Rove a RINO?!
LOL *falls from large chair*
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:22:03pm |
re: #238 Lidane
The comments Kos made back then have to be understood in context.
He was telling the far left that they had to get over themselves and accept that moderate and conservative Dems were going to be supported if they could win somewhere, because the whole point was to win, not play around with ideological purity games. I don't think he was making a general statement about electoral strategy for the Republicans, but just telling the moonbats to STFU and deal with the fact that he was going to support the guy who could win, even if he wasn't a hard lefty.
Understood. TY for clarification.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:22:27pm |
What did Rove say/do to piss them off? Sorry was working on a Spanish homework assignment.
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JoyousMN Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:22:42pm |
re: #167 Gus 802
Hey. If you brought JFK back from the dead and asked him if he would run for president he'd probably say, "what are you nuts?"
Considering what happened to him...yeah I would guess you're right.
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Varek Raith Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:22:52pm |
re: #261 HappyWarrior
What did Rove say/do to piss them off? Sorry was working on a Spanish homework assignment.
He spoke the truth.
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recusancy Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:23:06pm |
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:23:14pm |
Well, I'm going to wait and see. A lot of people were predicting how Obama would act and they learned differently over time. I don't want to predict what a House GOP would do after November.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:23:16pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:23:21pm |
re: #243 webevintage
I'm amazed how well that line has worked.
You can see it repeated in the threads here..."If only Obama would reach across the aisle and be just a bit bi-partisan"...The need for Republicans to destroy this President is the only reason I can find for the majority of them voting against the bill passed today in the Senate to help small businesses.
I thought they were all about helping small businesses...maybe it is just that 2% that makes over $250,000 a year.
Well, Republicans have a different metric by which they measure what constitutes a "small business"
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:23:30pm |
re: #258 celticdragon
Blind ideology is impervious to reason or empirical facts.
They are absolutely unwilling to take hard political advice from Republicans who've been there, done that, and done rather well at it.
Being a Young Turk is fun, but there just isn't that much political intelligence on the crazy side of the party.
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Varek Raith Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:23:41pm |
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:23:49pm |
re: #256 researchok
Excellent- right up my alley.
As soon as I read that, I agreed with the sentiment in it's entirety. Further, the process is a long one.
Many analysts believe that if a peace treaty between the Israelis and Palestinians were signed tomorrow, it would take 30 years- a new generation for real normalizations to occur. There are no overnight miracles.
While I don't believe it will take 30 years here, it will take a generational shift.
Great insight.
I appreciate the sentiment. Thanks.
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engineer cat Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:23:50pm |
if the democratic party operated like the GOP, there would be seventeen "commentators" on teevee tomorrow screaming about how republicans are gonna come marching into your bedroom to take away your sexy pictures
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:24:16pm |
re: #246 Gus 802
Oh I know. This is not the Newt of old. Same holds true of the ever morphing McCain. I meant that in a metaphorical sense.
Why do you think they are folding? Do they really believe they can exploit the TP into giving them a new political life?
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cliffster Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:24:24pm |
One thing's for sure.. there will be books written about the current political climate. hey, come to think of it..
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blueraven Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:24:29pm |
re: #197 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I know this will sound sacrilegious and all, but I think Rush is right...to a degree. That we are where we are now because the two parties have put winning above all else, even selling out their ideals and beliefs to win enough votes to get over the finish line. That leads to parties that are so fractured that they first have to fight amongst themselves before they can even fight against the opposition party.
Its not about selling out ideals. Its about different regions of the country and having candidates that are electable. Yes, the Democrats have moderates, liberals, and even conservatives. Its not about rigid ideology. That is what Rush advocates. No compromise ever.
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Lidane Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:24:40pm |
re: #273 engineer dog
That would require message discipline, which the Democrats have never had.
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recusancy Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:24:54pm |
re: #266 Gus 802
Well, I'm going to wait and see. A lot of people were predicting how Obama would act and they learned differently over time. I don't want to predict what a House GOP would do after November.
Obama is acting on what he campaigned on. I generally expect people to act on what they campaign on. They are campaigning on impeachment hearings and general nut bag crazyness. So that's what I expect.
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ClaudeMonet Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:25:01pm |
re: #257 Gus 802
I don't know. Boehner was open to compromising on the tax cut expiration before he was rebuked. Stranger things have happened.
He says he was open to it. One thing I know for sure about John Boehner, based on our attendance at the same college and as my Representative 1991-2005, is that he's a lying sack of sh**. Had the president indicated any area of compromise, Boehner would have said it wasn't enough and wasn't the right areas of compromise.
Damn, do I loathe Boehner.
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:25:09pm |
re: #261 HappyWarrior
What did Rove say/do to piss them off? Sorry was working on a Spanish homework assignment.
He told Hannity that the Tea Party was handing Senate seats to the Dems for free. He was not politic about it.
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pch Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:25:21pm |
re: #258 celticdragon
Blind ideology is impervious to reason or empirical facts.
The success of any policy (or society, country, etc.) is inversely proportional to the extent to which it is inspired by ideology.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:25:31pm |
re: #266 Gus 802
Well, I'm going to wait and see. A lot of people were predicting how Obama would act and they learned differently over time. I don't want to predict what a House GOP would do after November.
I think the GOP's actions after November really depend on November. If they win the lion's share of the seats they're going after, they'll see it as a green light to go apeshit. If half, they'll be (no pun intended) conservative and push only what they really believe has a real chance of succeeding. If they do poorly, then they'll quiet down and grudgingly work with Obama until the presidential election season is in full swing.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:25:36pm |
re: #266 Gus 802
Well, I'm going to wait and see. A lot of people were predicting how Obama would act and they learned differently over time. I don't want to predict what a House GOP would do after November.
It would depend on number of votes, and personalities, and how well organized the old guard can get. We'll see.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:25:38pm |
re: #281 celticdragon
He told Hannity that the Tea Party was handing Senate seats to the Dems for free. He was not politic about it.
Ouch, that seems to have left a mark.
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engineer cat Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:25:40pm |
re: #278 Lidane
That would require message discipline, which the Democrats have never had.
true, that
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:25:55pm |
re: #273 engineer dog
if the democratic party operated like the GOP, there would be seventeen "commentators" on teevee tomorrow screaming about how republicans are gonna come marching into your bedroom to take away your sexy pictures
From my cold, dead hands!
/
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:25:57pm |
re: #272 celticdragon
I appreciate the sentiment. Thanks.
Hey, that was no compliment- it was a statement of fact- your remarks are right on the money.
As a behaviorist, it's something I have a bit of experience with
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:26:04pm |
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:26:08pm |
re: #279 recusancy
Obama is acting on what he campaigned on. I generally expect people to act on what they campaign on. They are campaigning on impeachment hearings and general nut bag crazyness. So that's what I expect.
Yup!
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:26:13pm |
re: #284 SanFranciscoZionist
It would depend on number of votes, and personalities, and how well organized the old guard can get. We'll see.
Yeah. Actually. Now that you mention it they might not get a full majority. Hmmm.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:26:32pm |
re: #154 Conservative Moonbat
My own congressman Jim Cooper is a Blue Dog who's pretty middle of the road. He's a defense hawk on the armed services committee, a deficit hawk who "doesn't do earmarks" (and Nashville General Hospital is suffering as a result) but was solidly behind Obama's health care plan and has support Obama on other key issues.
Have you seen the anti-Cooper billboard on I-65 South between I-40 and Charlotte on the west downtown loop? Says we need a "Jim Cooper scooper" with a cat sitting in a litter box labeled "5th District"...kind of a underhanded way to call someone a piece of shit, ain't it?
For the record, I have no qualms with Cooper...IMO, he's done well for the most part.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:26:54pm |
re: #273 engineer dog
if the democratic party operated like the GOP, there would be seventeen "commentators" on teevee tomorrow screaming about how republicans are gonna come marching into your bedroom to take away your sexy pictures
If they're going to take my husband's sexy pictures, they will need a bigger truck. And some strong young men.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:27:02pm |
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:27:08pm |
re: #258 celticdragon
Blind ideology is impervious to reason or empirical facts.
Yes. That's why political ideology often paints itself in religious terms.
That's a whole other post.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:27:24pm |
I have to wonder if there could be a backlash against the GOP for engaging in this kind of shit. Speaking for myself, I'm more inclined to vote Democrat simply as a get the hell over yourselves to the GOP. Not too much going on here in Virginia this year but this is how I feel.
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pch Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:27:34pm |
re: #280 ClaudeMonet
Damn, do I loathe Boehner.
But look on the bright side: if he becomes Speaker, we can look forward to at least two years of silly jokes based on his name, which will go nicely with all the "Koch" references -- when and if it becomes widely known who exactly is funding the TP movement, that is.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:27:37pm |
re: #277 blueraven
Its not about selling out ideals. Its about different regions of the country and having candidates that are electable. Yes, the Democrats have moderates, liberals, and even conservatives. Its not about rigid ideology. That is what Rush advocates. No compromise ever.
Which is why I said he's right to a point. I detest the idea of rigid ideology, but I think there has to be some unifying ideals and beliefs besides a "D" after their name on television screens.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:27:45pm |
re: #293 SanFranciscoZionist
3 points, no net
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palomino Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:28:09pm |
re: #231 Gus 802
I'm still banking on seeing a repeat of Clinton and Newt to a great extent.
But the GOP congress of 1994 was sane. Sure, Gingrich was a prick bombthrower who tried to shut down the govt, BUT most of the Republicans in Congress hadn't gone into tea party-type extremist populism.
Republicans in 94 didn't like Clinton because they saw him as a liberal draft dodger, but they could still work with him.
Today's Republicans aren't even sure Obama is American; I doubt they'll be willing to work with the Anti-Christ. Another problem: the gop leaders in Congress are weak and ineffectual. The party's real leaders will continue to be the likes of Palin and Gingrich, who is an even bigger prick than he was 16 years ago.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:28:25pm |
Ayotte has pulled ahead by less than 200 votes. Certainly a squeaker in NH.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:28:40pm |
re: #281 celticdragon
He told Hannity that the Tea Party was handing Senate seats to the Dems for free. He was not politic about it.
You know, I don't think Rove is exactly as omniscient as he used to be painted, but if he told me something like that, I'd believe him.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:29:23pm |
re: #296 HappyWarrior
I have to wonder if there could be a backlash against the GOP for engaging in this kind of shit.
People have been saying that for months. The polls keep showing the Democrats sliding in popularity.
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cliffster Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:30:08pm |
re: #283 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
I think the GOP's actions after November really depend on November. If they win the lion's share of the seats they're going after, they'll see it as a green light to go apeshit. If half, they'll be (no pun intended) conservative and push only what they really believe has a real chance of succeeding. If they do poorly, then they'll quiet down and grudgingly work with Obama until the presidential election season is in full swing.
If they win the lion's share of seats, there will be a surge in sales of civics books. "Idiot's Guide to Being a Senator", anyone? On the other hand, a lot of out-of-work political consultants' phones will start ringing again.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:30:30pm |
re: #300 palomino
But the GOP congress of 1994 was sane. Sure, Gingrich was a prick bombthrower who tried to shut down the govt, BUT most of the Republicans in Congress hadn't gone into tea party-type extremist populism.
Republicans in 94 didn't like Clinton because they saw him as a liberal draft dodger, but they could still work with him.
Today's Republicans aren't even sure Obama is American; I doubt they'll be willing to work with the Anti-Christ. Another problem: the gop leaders in Congress are weak and ineffectual. The party's real leaders will continue to be the likes of Palin and Gingrich, who is an even bigger prick than he was 16 years ago.
Yep, this is the problem. Gosh as a kid I thought nothing could be more insane than Clinton hate since I was hearing some of the shit that my friends would parrot from their folks but Obama hate is just insane. There was some rabid Bush hatred to be fair too but I've never seen anything like this. They attack not just Obama's policies but his mother and family. I remember Limbaugh getting his panties bunched up because Sasha or Malia was wearing a t-shirt with a peace sign on it.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:30:43pm |
Karl Rove is on Hannity next. I have to see what he said.
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:30:47pm |
re: #288 researchok
Hey, that was no compliment- it was a statement of fact- your remarks are right on the money.
As a behaviorist, it's something I have a bit of experience with
I took some course work in anthropology, and that really expanded my understanding of how and why people do seemingly inexplicable things. There is usually an internal logic, although that may not be apparent to an outside observer. I tried to apply what I know from that along with my history background to see how that stacks up against current political patterns.
Sometimes...I get something right. Maybe.
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palomino Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:30:59pm |
re: #303 NJDhockeyfan
People have been saying that for months. The polls keep showing the Democrats sliding in popularity.
You'll win the midterms. But psychotic racism doesn't usually pay off. At least not in the long run.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:31:14pm |
re: #300 palomino
But the GOP congress of 1994 was sane. Sure, Gingrich was a prick bombthrower who tried to shut down the govt, BUT most of the Republicans in Congress hadn't gone into tea party-type extremist populism.
Republicans in 94 didn't like Clinton because they saw him as a liberal draft dodger, but they could still work with him.
Today's Republicans aren't even sure Obama is American; I doubt they'll be willing to work with the Anti-Christ. Another problem: the gop leaders in Congress are weak and ineffectual. The party's real leaders will continue to be the likes of Palin and Gingrich, who is an even bigger prick than he was 16 years ago.
Current GOP leaders are huddled behind the walls. They are motified of the TP 'influence'.
By tomorrow morning, they will all want to make nice with Palin.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:31:15pm |
re: #211 HoosierHoops
What is a man's full measure?
Putting a Sailor on your broken back and swimming to safety...Swimming out in the South Pacific in the the middle of the night with a lantern between his teeth to save his crew? JFK would still run for president...He had and lived the badge of courage that inspired a generation
RIP Jack
While I don't like the more salacious things about JFK, like the womanizing (I mean, come on...how in the hell would anybody want to run around on Jackie?), he was a steely-eyed, rock-ribbed leader who was the right man at the right time. I wish we had more today with his type of resolve and leadership...
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:31:50pm |
re: #292 talon_262
Have you seen the anti-Cooper billboard on I-65 South between I-40 and Charlotte on the west downtown loop? Says we need a "Jim Cooper scooper" with a cat sitting in a litter box labeled "5th District"...kind of a underhanded way to call someone a piece of shit, ain't it?
For the record, I have no qualms with Cooper...IMO, he's done well for the most part.
You live in NC too? I'm in Greensboro.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:32:17pm |
re: #303 NJDhockeyfan
People have been saying that for months. The polls keep showing the Democrats sliding in popularity.
True. I just wouldn't be shocked to see some people more motivated to vote D as a counter to this. I have no allusions about Republicans gaining seats in November and possibly even gaining one of the houses if not both.
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palomino Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:32:48pm |
re: #306 NJDhockeyfan
Karl Rove is on Hannity next. I have to see what he said.
Whatever it is, I'm sure it will be fair and balanced.
Maybe something about the "black" child McCain fathered out of wedlock.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:33:31pm |
re: #307 celticdragon
I took some course work in anthropology, and that really expanded my understanding of how and why people do seemingly inexplicable things. There is usually an internal logic, although that may not be apparent to an outside observer. I tried to apply what I know from that along with my history background to see how that stacks up against current political patterns.
Sometimes...I get something right. Maybe.
It takes discipline to see beyond the ideological crap. As far as I am concerned, that is key because discipline requires real depth.
Not that many people even want to be disciplined- way too much work and besides, it's easier to parrot.
Our times.
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cliffster Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:33:52pm |
re: #300 palomino
But the GOP congress of 1994 was sane. Sure, Gingrich was a prick bombthrower who tried to shut down the govt, BUT most of the Republicans in Congress hadn't gone into tea party-type extremist populism.
Hindsight is 20-20. I remember 1994.. the end of the world was truly upon us to listen to a lot of the pundits at the time.
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:34:14pm |
re: #313 palomino
Whatever it is, I'm sure it will be fair and balanced.
Maybe something about the "black" child McCain fathered out of wedlock.
That drew blood. Youch!
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:34:25pm |
re: #300 palomino
But the GOP congress of 1994 was sane. Sure, Gingrich was a prick bombthrower who tried to shut down the govt, BUT most of the Republicans in Congress hadn't gone into tea party-type extremist populism.
Republicans in 94 didn't like Clinton because they saw him as a liberal draft dodger, but they could still work with him.
Today's Republicans aren't even sure Obama is American; I doubt they'll be willing to work with the Anti-Christ. Another problem: the gop leaders in Congress are weak and ineffectual. The party's real leaders will continue to be the likes of Palin and Gingrich, who is an even bigger prick than he was 16 years ago.
I'm trying to be optimistic which as you know is a rare thing. Look at what happened with Scott Brown. He turned out to be a rather moderate Republican. I think only a few of the kooks will win. It's not as if though all of the House will be replaced with Republicans -- we're talking about maybe 50 new Republicans in the House. Plus I don't think they'll get a majority and they won't get the Senate. There will be changes though after November so I'm trying to prepare myself. I doubt they'll pursue any impeachment hearing (refusing it much like Nancy Pelosi did). Hearings never seem to end.
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palomino Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:34:36pm |
re: #312 HappyWarrior
True. I just wouldn't be shocked to see some people more motivated to vote D as a counter to this. I have no allusions about Republicans gaining seats in November and possibly even gaining one of the houses if not both.
I'm fairly sure that--in addition to many whites--the vast majority of blacks, Hispanics, gays, Muslims are pretty turned off by this kind of stuff.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:34:59pm |
re: #308 palomino
You'll win the midterms. But psychotic racism doesn't usually pay off. At least not in the long run.
No doubt they will author their own political demise.
If the Dems were smart, they'd let them hang themselves- because they will.
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ClaudeMonet Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:34:59pm |
re: #238 Lidane
The comments Kos made back then have to be understood in context.
He was telling the far left that they had to get over themselves and accept that moderate and conservative Dems were going to be supported if they could win somewhere, because the whole point was to win, not play around with ideological purity games. I don't think he was making a general statement about electoral strategy for the Republicans, but just telling the moonbats to STFU and deal with the fact that he was going to support the guy who could win, even if he wasn't a hard lefty.
One of the few times that Kos has been right, 100% right, and I'll give him credit where credit is due. Once in office, a moderate or conservative Democrat is more likely to listen to and possibly go along with the far left wing than a Republican who's just been savaged (no pun intended) by a far left candidate.
Both parties used to understand that who is electable depends on where they're located as well as their personal politics (think globally, act locally). When either party forgets and demands lockstep ideological purity, they get their a**es handed to them.
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:35:02pm |
re: #308 palomino
You'll win the midterms. But psychotic racism doesn't usually pay off. At least not in the long run.
It worked for Robert Byrd. He lasted 51 years.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:35:21pm |
re: #266 Gus 802
Well, I'm going to wait and see. A lot of people were predicting how Obama would act and they learned differently over time. I don't want to predict what a House GOP would do after November.
Obama has been reaching out to(and giving into demands from) the GOP for 20 months. Look at all the compromises on the Health Care bill, for example, and what was the result? Nobody from the other side of the aisle voted with him. He could walk on water and the headlines would be "President Obama can't swim".
Honestly, if he and the Democrats took Bush's approach and just steamrolled the Republicans until 2012, it would be completely justified...and probably better for the country. Sadly, they may not get the chance to do that.
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ReamWorks SKG Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:35:25pm |
Back from Amsterdam! What did I miss?
(BTW: I am grateful to the people of Holland for introducing me to Genever! ( [Link: en.wikipedia.org...] ). A Whole New World has opened up to me.
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Varek Raith Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:35:40pm |
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:35:41pm |
re: #314 researchok
It takes discipline to see beyond the ideological crap. As far as I am concerned, that is key because discipline requires real depth.
Not that many people even want to be disciplined- way too much work and besides, it's easier to parrot.
Our times.
2 updings if I could give them. Well put.
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Lidane Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:35:44pm |
re: #303 NJDhockeyfan
People have been saying that for months. The polls keep showing the Democrats sliding in popularity.
The party in power always loses popularity in the midterms. Reagan lost popularity, for crying out loud. There was a lot of hand-wringing wondering if he'd even run in 1984 because his numbers were tanking.
Democratic losses are inevitable in the midterm. They're going to happen. The question is what will the GOP will do between now and 2012. Do they give in to the Bad Crazy and go even further off the rails, or do they try to make some sort of case for why they should be back in the White House in 2012?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:35:57pm |
re: #313 palomino
Whatever it is, I'm sure it will be fair and balanced.
Maybe something about the "black" child McCain fathered out of wedlock.
Apparently Megan McCain is still mad as hell about that.
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tnguitarist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:36:06pm |
If anyone really thinks a Republican House will work with Obama, you're dreaming.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:36:41pm |
re: #317 Gus 802
I'm trying to be optimistic which as you know is a rare thing. Look at what happened with Scott Brown. He turned out to be a rather moderate Republican. I think only a few of the kooks will win. It's not as if though all of the House will be replaced with Republicans -- we're talking about maybe 50 new Republicans in the House. Plus I don't think they'll get a majority and they won't get the Senate. There will be changes though after November so I'm trying to prepare myself. I doubt they'll pursue any impeachment hearing (refusing it much like Nancy Pelosi did). Hearings never seem to end.
The numbers of TP backed candidates doesn't bother me. What worries me is the damage they will do.
It's hard to unring a bell.
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recusancy Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:36:58pm |
re: #321 NJDhockeyfan
It worked for Robert Byrd. He lasted 51 years.
And he spent most of those 51 years making amends for his prior beliefs.
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engineer cat Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:37:24pm |
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webevintage Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:37:26pm |
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Kragar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:37:36pm |
re: #330 tnguitarist
If anyone really thinks a Republican House will work with Obama, you're dreaming.
2 years of dug in heels and "NO! NO!"
Assuming they don't implode come November, which is a distinct possibility.
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ClaudeMonet Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:37:41pm |
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Ojoe Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:37:46pm |
It sure looks to me like the two party system fills up with left and right crazies in the left and right parties respectively; on the "other" side you get code pink, Michael Moore etc.
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:37:52pm |
re: #329 SanFranciscoZionist
Apparently Megan McCain is still mad as hell about that.
I don't blame her.
She is one of the few remaining GOP personalities I have any respect for.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:38:00pm |
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:38:28pm |
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recusancy Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:38:40pm |
re: #337 Ojoe
It sure looks to me like the two party system fills up with left and right crazies in the left and right parties respectively; on the "other" side you get code pink, Michael Moore etc.
I know. Look at all those code pink candidates and Senator Michael Moore. A pox on both houses!
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tnguitarist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:39:02pm |
re: #337 Ojoe
It sure looks to me like the two party system fills up with left and right crazies in the left and right parties respectively; on the "other" side you get code pink, Michael Moore etc.
Because code pink and Moore have the exact amount of influence as Beck and Limbaugh.......
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Charles Johnson Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:39:03pm |
Sarah Failin' just tweeted this:
Competitive trongmsgssent& tonite;congrats 2 the victors;Now, Commonsense Constitutionalists, let's unite
Huh, what?
| 344 |
celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:39:03pm |
re: #336 ClaudeMonet
He's talking about I-65, in Nashville.
My bad. I was thinking of the beltway in Charlotte, NC. LOL!
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bratwurst Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:39:04pm |
re: #334 webevintage
Is that like yelling ACORN?
Worse in the sense that it requires insulting the dead.
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palomino Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:39:07pm |
re: #317 Gus 802
I'm trying to be optimistic which as you know is a rare thing. Look at what happened with Scott Brown. He turned out to be a rather moderate Republican. I think only a few of the kooks will win. It's not as if though all of the House will be replaced with Republicans -- we're talking about maybe 50 new Republicans in the House. Plus I don't think they'll get a majority and they won't get the Senate. There will be changes though after November so I'm trying to prepare myself. I doubt they'll pursue any impeachment hearing (refusing it much like Nancy Pelosi did). Hearings never seem to end.
I wish I shared your optimism, but there's only one reason Brown is a moderate: he's from MA, one of the 3 or 4 most liberal states in the country. (All TEN of MA's House members are Dems--it's that liberal.)
So for Brown to enjoy his position in DC for very long, he had to move to the center. This is far less true for pols in most of the country.
If they pursue impeachment, Obama almost certainly wins in 2012. Not because impeachment is inherently wrong, but because they've got nothing in this case on which to pursue such an action.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:39:17pm |
re: #321 NJDhockeyfan
It worked for Robert Byrd. He lasted 51 years.
Is he still dead? That would explain dropping his name out of desperation...he can't fight back.
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cliffster Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:39:26pm |
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Varek Raith Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:39:50pm |
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Ojoe Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:39:50pm |
re: #342 tnguitarist
Where I live in Northern Califronia they sure do.
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:40:12pm |
re: #311 celticdragon
You live in NC too? I'm in Greensboro.
No, Nashville...CM was talking about our Congressman, Jim Cooper. The "Charlotte" I was speaking of is Charlotte Pike, a road here in town.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:40:18pm |
re: #343 Charles
Sarah Failin' just tweeted this:
Huh, what?
Guaranteed, she's had a few. She is celebrating her 15 mins of influence.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:40:19pm |
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:40:29pm |
re: #337 Ojoe
It sure looks to me like the two party system fills up with left and right crazies in the left and right parties respectively; on the "other" side you get code pink, Michael Moore etc.
And yet, while the Dem party leadership dabbled in the far-Left bullshit, they didn't sign onto it wholesale. They took '06 by running Blue Dog Dems, not far-Left whackos like the base kept insisting they do, and were stronger for it. Which is why I'm optimistic that, come November, many of these Tea Party candidates will crash and burn simply because the level of crazy is too much for the average voter to swallow.
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ClaudeMonet Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:40:35pm |
re: #321 NJDhockeyfan
It worked for Robert Byrd. He lasted 51 years.
He admitted the error of his ways and said he'd been completely wrong on the race issue. As with George Wallace, it doesn't make up for how he felt and what he said and did earlier, but it was something.
The leopard can't change his spots, but people aren't leopards.
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:40:35pm |
re: #340 researchok
Small world. I'm in Raleigh.
Cool! If you around, next weekend we will be doing Rev War living history at the High Point museum. Check it out if you have a chance.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:40:50pm |
I have to say considerring that Castle was a long time rep and former governor I'm now instantly curious to see how Sarah's candidate (forget his name) does in Maryland against former governor and congressman Ehrlich in the GOP primary for governor there.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:40:59pm |
re: #343 Charles
Sarah Failin' just tweeted this:
Huh, what?
"trongmsgssent" must be how Sarah spells "strong message sent"...but I still think she's just giddy over having her candidate win the primary. It's all about getting nominated, according to Sarah. Winning the general isn't important.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:41:30pm |
re: #356 celticdragon
Cool! If you around, next weekend we will be doing Rev War living history at the High Point museum. Check it out if you have a chance.
Reenactment thing?
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:41:31pm |
re: #343 Charles
Sarah Failin' just tweeted this:
Huh, what?
Seems like Grizzly Mama's tied on a few too many.
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tnguitarist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:41:39pm |
re: #350 Ojoe
Where I live in Northern Califronia they sure do.
You should probably check the numbers. How many listeners/viewers do Limbaugh/Beck have?
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MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:41:39pm |
re: #343 Charles
Sarah Failin' just tweeted this:
Huh, what?
Either she sat on her phone or she's drunk/stoned...
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Lidane Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:41:53pm |
re: #330 tnguitarist
If anyone really thinks a Republican House will work with Obama, you're dreaming.
Pretty much.
However, if that same Republican House gets stupid and either (a) shuts down the government in protest or (b) spends all their time investigating or trying to impeach Obama instead of making a case for why they should win in 2012, they might as well just concede and give Obama a second term already.
| 364 |
celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:42:04pm |
re: #343 Charles
Sarah Failin' just tweeted this:
Huh, what?
She is speaking Klingon. That was an order to fire the forward disrupters.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:42:10pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:42:14pm |
re: #338 celticdragon
I don't blame her.
She is one of the few remaining GOP personalities I have any respect for.
I'm not sure I really think of her as a political figure, but she seems like a nice young woman. And yeah, if that had been my sister I would have been out for blood.
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:42:15pm |
re: #346 palomino
I wish I shared your optimism, but there's only one reason Brown is a moderate: he's from MA, one of the 3 or 4 most liberal states in the country. (All TEN of MA's House members are Dems--it's that liberal.)
So for Brown to enjoy his position in DC for very long, he had to move to the center. This is far less true for pols in most of the country.
If they pursue impeachment, Obama almost certainly wins in 2012. Not because impeachment is inherently wrong, but because they've got nothing in this case on which to pursue such an action.
Yeah. I'm trying to find a rational route. If the GOP does get substantial majority and they obstruct even more it will not only bad for the country but they will lose in the long run. Any plans of impeachment would also seriously backfire because there is nothing there to impeach him on. Essentially that would be like having Michelle Bachmann controlling the GOP.
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:42:19pm |
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darthstar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:42:21pm |
re: #362 talon_262
Either she sat on her phone or she's drunk/stoned...
Well, she does have a good meth connection.
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palomino Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:42:27pm |
re: #321 NJDhockeyfan
It worked for Robert Byrd. He lasted 51 years.
Byrd's dead and he was ONE person. Your party is filled with nuts, but when you've got nothing else, you go back to Byrd.
BTW, Byrd renounced his racism in the 60's when he voted for the supplemental Civil Rights Act of 1968.
You've got nothing but Limbaugh's talking points to puke out. Neither original nor thoughtful.
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Kragar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:42:57pm |
re: #343 Charles
Sarah Failin' just tweeted this:
Huh, what?
TRONGMSGSSENT! Thats French, isn't it?
/
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Varek Raith Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:42:59pm |
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freetoken Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:43:04pm |
re: #343 Charles
Sarah Failin' just tweeted this:
.... trongmsgssent& ...
Huh, what?
"trongmsgssent&" = the memory address of "Tron General Manager Sings Sentimentally"
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palomino Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:43:20pm |
re: #329 SanFranciscoZionist
Apparently Megan McCain is still mad as hell about that.
She should be. It was a disgusting attack.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:43:25pm |
Sarah's editors went back and corrected her tweet...it now reads
Competitive primaries=great 4 voters! Strong msgs sent&recvd tonite;congrats 2 the victors; Now, Commonsense Constitutionalists,let's unite
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Kragar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:43:45pm |
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reine.de.tout Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:43:57pm |
re: #371 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
TRONGMSGSSENT! Thats French, isn't it?
/
hehehe.
No, it's not French.
I think it's a language all her own.
What an embarrassment.
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:44:02pm |
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Daniel Ballard Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:44:21pm |
re: #343 Charles
Maybe Lolcat translator will help
COMPETITIV STRONGMSGSCENT& TUNAITE;CONGRATS 2 TEH SARMT VICTORS;NAO, COMMONSENSE CONSTITUSHUNALISTS, LETS UNITIE
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webevintage Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:44:31pm |
I'm assuming that a "Commonsense Constitutionalist" is anyone who agrees with President Palin?
Really, wtf?
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palomino Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:44:33pm |
re: #332 recusancy
And he spent most of those 51 years making amends for his prior beliefs.
That doesn't matter. Once the talking point seeps into the "brain", it's almost impossible to eliminate.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:44:35pm |
re: #377 reine.de.tout
It's been deleted and reposted. That's why screen captures are important.
| 383 |
freetoken Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:44:52pm |
The Sarah's pick in NH is now up by 400 votes.
The Sarah Touch™ is magical.
| 385 |
researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:45:23pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:45:29pm |
re: #370 palomino
Byrd's dead and he was ONE person. Your party is filled with nuts, but when you've got nothing else, you go back to Byrd.
BTW, Byrd renounced his racism in the 60's when he voted for the supplemental Civil Rights Act of 1968.
You've got nothing but Limbaugh's talking points to puke out. Neither original nor thoughtful.
Renounced his racism in the 60s? He said the N-word on TV in 2001.
| 387 |
HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:46:03pm |
re: #384 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Seriously, Ali G texts better than Sarah.
Sometimes I wish Sarah was Sacha Baron Cohen in drag and that this is his genius new character following Ali G, Borat, and Bruno. Come to think of it, have we seen them in the same room at the same time? Heh kidding obviously.
| 388 |
The Yankee Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:46:05pm |
re: #358 darthstar
"trongmsgssent" must be how Sarah spells "strong message sent"...but I still think she's just giddy over having her candidate win the primary. It's all about getting nominated, according to Sarah. Winning the general isn't important.
There is a letter that is written with out any vowels and some other letters missing to show how people can still read with out all the letters. Suppose to show why people can read txt and Tweets since you can only post so many characters. Thing is I think Palin is asking too much of us if she is going to combine half written words. And expect her critics not to make fun of her.
| 389 |
tnguitarist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:46:31pm |
re: #386 NJDhockeyfan
Renounced his racism in the 60s? He said the N-word on TV in 2001.
You realize he's no longer a Senator, right?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:46:45pm |
re: #377 reine.de.tout
hehehe.
No, it's not French.
I think it's a language all her own.
What an embarrassment.
Tweeting is just not a good idea for politicians.
| 391 |
celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:46:49pm |
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darthstar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:47:03pm |
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:47:24pm |
re: #389 tnguitarist
You realize he's no longer a Senator, right?
And no longer converting O2 to CO2.
| 394 |
ClaudeMonet Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:47:37pm |
re: #333 engineer dog
that's funny - i noticed that too
Yeah, Rove handled him easily. Hannity's a lightweight IMO, just one with his own show.
And is that Hannity's real hair? Doesn't look like it to me.
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:47:42pm |
re: #380 webevintage
I'm assuming that a "Commonsense Constitutionalist" is anyone who agrees with President Palin?
Really, wtf?
I am sick to death about hearing those people talk about the Constitution. It's just a trend that they don't put much thought into. Just say the word "Constitution" and you're in!
| 396 |
darthstar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:47:43pm |
re: #386 NJDhockeyfan
Renounced his racism in the 60s? He said the N-word on TV in 2001.
Dude! You just totally PWNED a dead man! You are a stud.
| 397 |
MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:47:51pm |
re: #375 darthstar
Sarah's editors went back and corrected her tweet...it now reads
How fucking lame and stupid does a politician need to be to even need a "editor" or "ghostwriter" for your fucking Twitter tweets and Facebook posts?
Sarah, you are an opportunistic airhead...get bent.
| 398 |
Kronocide Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:48:05pm |
The Silver Lining with Paladino is that despite being a Kukulous Maximus it seems that Cuomo will just bludgeon him.
I hope Paladino pulls out all the stops and gets a lot of press and air play knowing Cuomo will win.
| 399 |
cliffster Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:48:42pm |
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:48:43pm |
re: #395 Gus 802
I am sick to death about hearing those people talk about the Constitution. It's just a trend that they don't put much thought into. Just say the word "Constitution" and you're in!
Bah, I remember when it was hip to answer every challenge with "9/11" and come out on top. Ah, those were the good days...
/
| 401 |
celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:48:46pm |
re: #385 researchok
Good essay. Can I have permission to copy this for discussion in my social history class?
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Jadespring Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:49:32pm |
re: #383 freetoken
The Sarah's pick in NH is now up by 400 votes.
The Sarah Touch™ is magical.
The Sarah Touch......sounds like a good name for a vibrating present to send to the O'Donnell woman.
| 403 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:49:53pm |
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palomino Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:49:57pm |
re: #386 NJDhockeyfan
Renounced his racism in the 60s? He said the N-word on TV in 2001.
Did you bother to listen to the interview where he said that? He also said, "I don't believe anyone can get to heaven if they hate others based on race."
Yeah, there's your ONE racist Dem. He's dead. You could move on, or just keep on beating that very dead horse.
| 405 |
tnguitarist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:50:13pm |
| 406 |
celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:50:21pm |
re: #402 Jadespring
The Sarah Touch...sounds like a good name for a vibrating present to send to the O'Donnell woman.
Oh. My. God.
Priceless.
| 407 |
darthstar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:50:43pm |
re: #402 Jadespring
The Sarah Touch...sounds like a good name for a vibrating present to send to the O'Donnell woman.
I'm guessing O'Donnell and Palin both shop at Divine Interventions (google it...it'll fill you with the lord...literally).
| 408 |
webevintage Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:51:13pm |
re: #395 Gus 802
I am sick to death about hearing those people talk about the Constitution. It's just a trend that they don't put much thought into. Just say the word "Constitution" and you're in!
They have "commonsense" and they love the Constitution except for the parts they don't love because those parts are just not commonsense dammit!
also.
| 409 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:51:22pm |
re: #386 NJDhockeyfan
Renounced his racism in the 60s? He said the N-word on TV in 2001.
Yeah. He did. And it was inexcusable, I have no idea what was going on in his mind. Especially in the context of what he said, it was bizarre.
But the Dixiecrats are all dead now, Byrd and Thurmond the same, so what point do you imagine you are making here?
| 410 |
Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:51:22pm |
re: #400 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Bah, I remember when it was hip to answer every challenge with "9/11" and come out on top. Ah, those were the good days...
/
Which is funny because back then it was the Paulians, Truthers, and Alex Jones fans screaming about the Constitution as it applied to martial law (Eleventy) and the Patriot Act (Eleventy)!
| 411 |
Jadespring Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:51:47pm |
| 412 |
tnguitarist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:51:54pm |
When did commonsense become one word? Did I miss a memo?
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engineer cat Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:52:24pm |
re: #394 ClaudeMonet
Yeah, Rove handled him easily. Hannity's a lightweight IMO, just one with his own show.
And is that Hannity's real hair? Doesn't look like it to me.
i've had a particularly focused dislike for hannity ever since i heard him repeat this question so many times:
"don't you think it's unpatriotic to criticize the president in time of war?"
| 414 |
webevintage Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:52:27pm |
re: #412 tnguitarist
When did commonsense become one word? Did I miss a memo?
When President Palin tweeted it....
| 415 |
The Yankee Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:52:54pm |
re: #404 palomino
Did you bother to listen to the interview where he said that? He also said, "I don't believe anyone can get to heaven if they hate others based on race."
Yeah, there's your ONE racist Dem. He's dead. You could move on, or just keep on beating that very dead horse.
The Dems had a talking horse as a senator. And he is dead now????????
| 416 |
celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:53:09pm |
re: #412 tnguitarist
When did commonsense become one word? Did I miss a memo?
About the same as refudiate did. You need to read your inter-office memos if you miss the meetings.
//
| 417 |
blueraven Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:53:32pm |
re: #298 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Which is why I said he's right to a point. I detest the idea of rigid ideology, but I think there has to be some unifying ideals and beliefs besides a "D" after their name on television screens.
But they do. Most are pro-choice though not all, most have a philosophy that some government is necessary and is not evil. Most believe in the middle class and workers rights. Most believe government should stay out of our bedrooms. Not all Democrats beleive in all of these things, but usually they share at least two or three of these values. And that's enough.
| 418 |
HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:53:38pm |
re: #415 The Yankee
The Dems had a talking horse as a senator. And he is dead now???
Yeah Mr. Ed. He was an awesome senator for a talking horse. Got a little messy though when he took a crap while voting.
| 419 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:53:57pm |
re: #407 darthstar
I'm guessing O'Donnell and Palin both shop at Divine Interventions (google it...it'll fill you with the lord...literally).
I am not any better a person for having seen that. "Help Moses part the Pink Sea?" Really?
| 420 |
Varek Raith Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:54:01pm |
re: #416 celticdragon
About the same as refudiate did. You need to read your inter-office memos if you miss the meetings.
//
But...the network's down!
I call and they tell me to email them!
:/
| 421 |
Page 3 in the Binder of Women Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:54:05pm |
re: #409 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah. He did. And it was inexcusable, I have no idea what was going on in his mind. Especially in the context of what he said, it was bizarre.
But the Dixiecrats are all dead now, Byrd and Thurmond the same, so what point do you imagine you are making here?
Same ole re-direct. We're not proving to be racist! It's YOU!
| 422 |
darthstar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:54:06pm |
re: #414 webevintage
When President Palin tweeted it...
And that was in the edited version of her tweet, too. Oh, and she just sent another unity message. I think she's asking the GOP to go along with her (after all, that IS the Republican version of compromise)...good luck with that, Sarah.
| 423 |
Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:54:14pm |
re: #415 The Yankee
The Dems had a talking horse as a senator. And he is dead now???
Why not? Caligula did it and he was a guy with a pretty solid head on his shoulders...right?
///
| 424 |
Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:54:18pm |
re: #408 webevintage
They have "commonsense" and they love the Constitution except for the parts they don't love because those parts are just not commonsense dammit!
also.
It's frustrating. It's like this too. The Democrats won and they got to vote on legislation that they so as fit and working under Constitutional guidelines. Anything that is un-Constitutional will face the SCOTUS over a period of time. There's nothing un-Constitutional about this.
| 425 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:54:25pm |
re: #413 engineer dog
i've had a particularly focused dislike for hannity ever since i heard him repeat this question so many times:
"don't you think it's unpatriotic to criticize the president in time of war?"
I haven't heard him say that in a while.
| 426 |
celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:54:43pm |
| 427 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:54:51pm |
re: #415 The Yankee
The Dems had a talking horse as a senator. And he is dead now???
Poor old Mr. Ed. We tried to talk Caligula out of it...
| 428 |
Jadespring Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:55:10pm |
re: #407 darthstar
I'm guessing O'Donnell and Palin both shop at Divine Interventions (google it...it'll fill you with the lord...literally).
Oh my. LOL
| 429 |
HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:55:10pm |
re: #425 SanFranciscoZionist
I haven't heard him say that in a while.
I wonder why. I've always detested that guy. And then I found out he was all chummy with a white supermacist and I felt vindicated.
| 430 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:55:12pm |
re: #364 celticdragon
She is speaking Klingon. That was an order to fire the forward disrupters.
Shields and deflectors up! Fire photon torpedoes! Mr Scott, we need 110% power!
| 431 |
MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:55:19pm |
re: #425 SanFranciscoZionist
I haven't heard him say that in a while.
I wonder why....
*crickets chirping*
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:55:34pm |
re: #420 Varek Raith
But...the network's down!
I call and they tell me to email them!
:/
LOL! We'll have IT get on it...
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ClaudeMonet Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:55:44pm |
re: #413 engineer dog
i've had a particularly focused dislike for hannity ever since i heard him repeat this question so many times:
"don't you think it's unpatriotic to criticize the president in time of war?"
Whenever someone starts a question with "do you think...", I'm tempted to interject, "Yes...do you?" In Hannity's case, "don't you think..." would have been met with "I think, you don't".
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:55:58pm |
re: #409 SanFranciscoZionist
Yeah. He did. And it was inexcusable, I have no idea what was going on in his mind. Especially in the context of what he said, it was bizarre.
But the Dixiecrats are all dead now, Byrd and Thurmond the same, so what point do you imagine you are making here?
Palomino said "But psychotic racism doesn't usually pay off. At least not in the long run." I just gave an example where it did work for one person. All of a sudden I'm catching hell from some who seemed to be offended by my example. If Byrd had an 'R' next to his name I bet the reaction would have been completely different.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:56:04pm |
re: #415 The Yankee
The Dems had a talking horse as a senator. And he is dead now???
Yes, he was nominated by Caligula.
//
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darthstar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:56:18pm |
re: #419 SanFranciscoZionist
I am not any better a person for having seen that. "Help Moses part the Pink Sea?" Really?
It's a bit of a shocker, I agree...I saw their ad in the Guardian a number of years ago, but hey, they're still in business! Baby-Jesus butt-plugs for all!
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:56:21pm |
re: #401 celticdragon
Good essay. Can I have permission to copy this for discussion in my social history class?
Ubetcha.
Another iteration got over 100 comments.
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:56:32pm |
Growl. And there's still FISA. There's still Homeland Security. We still have renditions. We're killing Taliban and Al Qaeda left and right in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Robert Gates is still the SoD. We set a record for defense spending this year. Gitmo is still open for business and they're still complaining!
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:56:51pm |
re: #430 Dark_Falcon
Shields and deflectors up! Fire photon torpedoes! Mr Scott, we need 110% power!
I cannae do it, Captain! I dinnae have the power!
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:57:03pm |
re: #430 Dark_Falcon
Shields and deflectors up! Fire photon torpedoes! Mr Scott, we need 110% power!
Captain, I canna' guarantee she'll hold up! The anti-matter intermix chamber took quite a whollop!
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:57:16pm |
re: #438 Gus 802
Growl. And there's still FISA. There's still Homeland Security. We still have renditions. We're killing Taliban and Al Qaeda left and right in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Robert Gates is still the SoD. We set a record for defense spending this year. Gitmo is still open for business and they're still complaining!
Oh. And the Patriot Act was extended and the Executive state of emergency powers were also extended last week. Not sure if that's what they call it.
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Varek Raith Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:57:22pm |
re: #436 darthstar
Err...uh...
No...
.
.
..
...
Freaks
/
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webevintage Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:57:55pm |
hahahahaha
The South Park episode that is on right now is the one where Randy and Jerry watched each other wank in the hot tub.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:58:50pm |
re: #441 Gus 802
Oh. And the Patriot Act was extended and the Executive state of emergency powers were also extended last week. Not sure if that's what they call it.
Your mother was right.
You can never make everyone happy.
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:59:10pm |
re: #437 researchok
Ubetcha.
Another iteration got over 100 comments.
Thanks. We are actually doing some writing on monuments and public memory right now. I noticed you touched on that.
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Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:59:46pm |
re: #434 NJDhockeyfan
Palomino said "But psychotic racism doesn't usually pay off. At least not in the long run." I just gave an example where it did work for one person. All of a sudden I'm catching hell from some who seemed to be offended by my example. If Byrd had an 'R' next to his name I bet the reaction would have been completely different.
I think that its just that the Byrd example is somewhat old ,and Bryd is now dead. Nor was he a racist the last 30 years. Who else can you cite?
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 14, 2010 9:59:47pm |
re: #438 Gus 802
Growl. And there's still FISA. There's still Homeland Security. We still have renditions. We're killing Taliban and Al Qaeda left and right in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Robert Gates is still the SoD. We set a record for defense spending this year. Gitmo is still open for business and they're still complaining!
Another one I know and this is because my mom works for the Geospatial Intel agency but the guy who headed that for much of Bush's presidency. Well, he's Obama's Director of National Intelligence.
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webevintage Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:00:31pm |
My brain, it bleeds.
SarahPalinUSA
Primary debate is over;time 4unity is now bc time 4choosing is near. Attitudes of unsuccessful campaigns r contagious,make'em worth catching
| 449 |
Jadespring Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:00:34pm |
re: #436 darthstar
It's a bit of a shocker, I agree...I saw their ad in the Guardian a number of years ago, but hey, they're still in business! Baby-Jesus butt-plugs for all!
I just read the description for God Immaculate Rod. Psalm quote and all.
Seriously I don't know whether to be utterly offended or LMAO. All the power to them I guess...if it sells...it sells. The market has decided....
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:01:20pm |
re: #447 HappyWarrior
Another one I know and this is because my mom works for the Geospatial Intel agency but the guy who headed that for much of Bush's presidency. Well, he's Obama's Director of National Intelligence.
Right. And look who's front and center in the Afghanistan-Pakistan theater. None other than General Petraeus. By Obama's choosing.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:01:25pm |
re: #445 celticdragon
Thanks. We are actually doing some writing on monuments and public memory right now. I noticed you touched on that.
Have at it.
Needless to say, I got beaucoup hate mail.
Beaucoup.
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darthstar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:01:51pm |
re: #449 Jadespring
I just read the description for God Immaculate Rod. Psalm quote and all.
Seriously I don't know whether to be utterly offended or LMAO. All the power to them I guess...if it sells...it sells. The market has decided...
Xmas presents for all your fundie friends.
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:02:06pm |
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:02:41pm |
re: #451 researchok
Have at it.
Needless to say, I got beaucoup hate mail.
Beaucoup.
Lotsa flak means you are probably over the target.
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Varek Raith Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:02:50pm |
re: #448 webevintage
My brain, it bleeds.
The teapot closets the lust opposite a raving contributor.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:03:12pm |
re: #450 Gus 802
Right. And look who's front and center in the Afghanistan-Pakistan theater. None other than General Petraeus. By Obama's choosing.
As far as I can see, Obama is doing a bang up job in the fighting terror department.
And I don't give a rat's ass what he calls it as long he keeps on doing what he's doing.
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engineer cat Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:03:22pm |
re: #441 Gus 802
Oh. And the Patriot Act was extended and the Executive state of emergency powers were also extended last week. Not sure if that's what they call it.
i knew where obama stood on these issues before the election when he voted - without being embarrased by it - for the retroactive telecom immunity bill
the single thing that disappoints me the most about obama is his enthusiastic complicity in these stalinistic measures
| 458 |
MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:03:40pm |
re: #452 darthstar
Xmas presents for all your fundie friends.
Only if they want the "Exorcist" treatment...kinda creepy, IMO, but to each, their own.
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:03:40pm |
re: #453 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds
Anybody got their "Palin-to-English" dictionary handy?
Another beat-poetry moment for Shatner on late night tv!
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darthstar Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:03:48pm |
re: #456 researchok
As far as I can see, Obama is doing a bang up job in the fighting terror department.
And I don't give a rat's ass what he calls it as long he keeps on doing what he's doing.
Quoted for truth.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:04:06pm |
re: #454 celticdragon
Lotsa flak means you are probably over the target.
Well, if nothing else, I made people think outside their comfort zone.
All in all, not a bad thing.
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:04:46pm |
re: #457 engineer dog
i knew where obama stood on these issues before the election when he voted - without being embarrased by it - for the retroactive telecom immunity bill
the single thing that disappoints me the most about obama is his enthusiastic complicity in these stalinistic measures
Sure. But while it may disappoint you I'm frankly surprised that it's not applauded by the right.
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Jadespring Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:05:36pm |
re: #452 darthstar
Xmas presents for all your fundie friends.
Gah. Now I'm pondering who buys this stuff. People buying for jokes are easy to understand. The rest...I think I need to just shut these lines of thought right down now....
| 466 |
HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:05:57pm |
re: #450 Gus 802
Right. And look who's front and center in the Afghanistan-Pakistan theater. None other than General Petraeus. By Obama's choosing.
Which is why I always laugh when Cheney tells people Obama has weakened our country. Nevermind the fact that there hasn't been any castaprophe near the scope of 9-11 since he's taken office. By that standard he's done a good job keeping the country safe but Cheney and those like him would rather lie and scare people in to believing that President Obama has a commune of hippies running our defense.
| 467 |
tnguitarist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:06:04pm |
re: #457 engineer dog
i knew where obama stood on these issues before the election when he voted - without being embarrased by it - for the retroactive telecom immunity bill
the single thing that disappoints me the most about obama is his enthusiastic complicity in these stalinistic measures
I've always thought it was a bit of a no-win situation with those things. If he backs off them, he's ridiculed as another Democrat weak on terror.
| 468 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:06:19pm |
re: #448 webevintage
My brain, it bleeds.
I wish she was a blond. The stupidity would make more sense that way.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:06:57pm |
re: #460 darthstar
Quoted for truth.
I'm serious. If Obama gets up and says he thinks ballet lessons for the Taliban is a good idea, I'm on board.
He's doing an outstanding job- and I don't care who he pisses off in the process, left or right.
He is keeping the nation safe.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:06:59pm |
re: #434 NJDhockeyfan
Palomino said "But psychotic racism doesn't usually pay off. At least not in the long run." I just gave an example where it did work for one person. All of a sudden I'm catching hell from some who seemed to be offended by my example. If Byrd had an 'R' next to his name I bet the reaction would have been completely different.
I'm sick of hearing crap about Robert Byrd, who is dead. I don't bring up Strom Thurmond endlessly, and neither does anyone here, so I have no idea what would happen if there was an R next to his name.
Byrd would not have held his seat for those decades if he'd been a 'psychotic racist'. He was intelligent and sensitive enough to revise his views as times changed and he did too. If anything, he proves the point. He could not have remained the Grand Kleagle and had the career he did.
Perhaps his example shows that some of today's crop may improve themselves, but it does not show that 'psychotic racism' is a good long-term strategy in American politics.
Unless of course you're Strom Thurmond, in which case you can have Trent Lott talking about how if you'd won the presidency as an openly racist Democrat, we wouldn't be having all these problems today. In 2002.
Now, can we let the Dixiecrats rest, at last, in peace?
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:07:31pm |
re: #436 darthstar
It's a bit of a shocker, I agree...I saw their ad in the Guardian a number of years ago, but hey, they're still in business! Baby-Jesus butt-plugs for all!
Not for ME if it's quite all right.
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:07:35pm |
re: #466 HappyWarrior
Which is why I always laugh when Cheney tells people Obama has weakened our country. Nevermind the fact that there hasn't been any castaprophe near the scope of 9-11 since he's taken office. By that standard he's done a good job keeping the country safe but Cheney and those like him would rather lie and scare people in to believing that President Obama has a commune of hippies running our defense.
For sure. I'm seriously pissed off about that recent film released by Newt Gingrich. What crock of shit. Obama's doing a great job with defense and fighting terrorism. Both foreign and domestic.
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celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:08:04pm |
re: #457 engineer dog
i knew where obama stood on these issues before the election when he voted - without being embarrased by it - for the retroactive telecom immunity bill
the single thing that disappoints me the most about obama is his enthusiastic complicity in these stalinistic measures
Glenn Greenwald has been apoplectic on this issue. Scott Horton is a good source for analysis and context.
BTW...this week Iraq agreed to pay 400 million in torture claims to American citizens from the Saddam Hussein regime.
We won't even allow torture claimants to see the inside of a courtroom.
State secrets, you see.
The National Security State and unending war rolls merrily along. We will not see the end of this in our lifetime.
| 474 |
researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:08:09pm |
re: #463 Gus 802
Sure. But while it may disappoint you I'm frankly surprised that it's not applauded by the right.
Shocker.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:08:55pm |
re: #472 Gus 802
For sure. I'm seriously pissed off about that recent film released by Newt Gingrich. What crock of shit. Obama's doing a great job with defense and fighting terrorism. Both foreign and domestic.
No, hes doing a great job.
| 476 |
engineer cat Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:09:27pm |
re: #463 Gus 802
Sure. But while it may disappoint you I'm frankly surprised that it's not applauded by the right.
oh, it is - except you have to remember that wingnuts practice Advanced Ignorance Techniques, and they think that the "patriot" act consists of the right to wiretap phone calls made by terrorists without obtaining a warrant
- the terrorists, you see, have a big red 'T' on their foreheads so the NSA agents know exactly whose phones to wiretap -
as for the rest of the damage to the 4th amendment, they remain blissfully unaware of it
| 477 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:09:29pm |
re: #449 Jadespring
I just read the description for God Immaculate Rod. Psalm quote and all.
Seriously I don't know whether to be utterly offended or LMAO. All the power to them I guess...if it sells...it sells. The market has decided...
I think I come down on the side of 'offended' in the end. Not my cuppa.
| 478 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:10:02pm |
re: #459 celticdragon
Another beat-poetry moment for Shatner on late night tv!
I dunno. One of the few good moments Sarah Palin had was when Conan O'Brian had her on to read from Shatner's autobiography. It was fun and funny. I wish Sarah Palin were more like that: rolling with the criticisms, and not taking herself too seriously. Instead we get whining.
| 479 |
Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:10:10pm |
re: #463 Gus 802
Sure. But while it may disappoint you I'm frankly surprised that it's not applauded by the right.
That would require them to show a bit of consistency, something they've been totally void of since Jan '09. Instead, they think that Obama continuing Bush-era policies and programs is "proof" that he's a "liar," because he campaigned against them and yet hasn't followed through on his campaign promises.
| 480 |
celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:10:16pm |
re: #456 researchok
As far as I can see, Obama is doing a bang up job in the fighting terror department.
And I don't give a rat's ass what he calls it as long he keeps on doing what he's doing.
I have no problem with Predator drone strikes in Pakistan, and I agreed with the troop movement to Afghanistan. The Unitary Executive theory and the promiscuous use of State Secrets privilege seems utterly unabated, however.
| 481 |
freetoken Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:10:28pm |
re: #472 Gus 802
For sure. I'm seriously pissed off about that recent film released by Newt Gingrich. What crock of shit. Obama's doing a great job with defense and fighting terrorism. Both foreign and domestic.
Ah, but wait... Obama is not investigating those nasty gay and lesbian festivals, so he must not be really concerned about terrorism!!
(You've got to read my last Page entry to understand.)
| 482 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:10:36pm |
re: #472 Gus 802
For sure. I'm seriously pissed off about that recent film released by Newt Gingrich. What crock of shit. Obama's doing a great job with defense and fighting terrorism. Both foreign and domestic.
Newt has a film?
| 483 |
Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:11:13pm |
re: #482 SanFranciscoZionist
Newt has a film?
Yeah. Charles posted the trailer or a clip. It's around here somewhere.
| 484 |
freetoken Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:12:11pm |
Ayotte is now up by 1100. Certainly blessed of Sarah.
| 485 |
celticdragon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:12:11pm |
re: #478 Dark_Falcon
I dunno. One of the few good moments Sarah Palin had was when Conan O'Brian had her on to read from Shatner's autobiography. It was fun and funny. I wish Sarah Palin were more like that: rolling with the criticisms, and not taking herself too seriously. Instead we get whining.
An awful lot of people who knew her in Alaska seem scared as hell of her. She has a reputation for revenge and keeping a list of enemies.
| 486 |
HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:12:59pm |
re: #484 freetoken
Ayotte is now up by 1100. Certainly blessed of Sarah.
I'm confused- is Ayotte her candidate there or is the guy Charles posted about who wants to ban abortion in all cases' hers.
| 488 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:13:21pm |
re: #484 freetoken
Ayotte is now up by 1100. Certainly blessed of Sarah.
How is Boxer doing in Ca? It was close earlier.
| 489 |
tnguitarist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:14:14pm |
re: #485 celticdragon
An awful lot of people who knew her in Alaska seem scared as hell of her. She has a reputation for revenge and keeping a list of enemies.
So, she's a female Nixon?
| 490 |
freetoken Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:14:18pm |
re: #486 HappyWarrior
Ayotte is blessed of Sarah. She's experienced The Sarah Touch™.
Lamontagne is the insurgent Tea Party favorite. He led until about half the precincts were counted.
| 491 |
Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:14:43pm |
| 492 |
Dark_Falcon Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:14:45pm |
re: #487 celticdragon
Gotta go to bed. G'nite, all.
Me too. I'm tired and need sleep. Goodnight, everyone.
| 493 |
tnguitarist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:15:15pm |
re: #483 Gus 802
Yeah. Charles posted the trailer or a clip. It's around here somewhere.
Here it is...
| 495 |
Jadespring Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:15:48pm |
re: #487 celticdragon
Gotta go to bed. G'nite, all.
Night!
I should get going soon too. I'm on chicken and dog duty tomorrow. They don't let me sleep in. However I need to erase that website out of my mind first. Anyone got any cute pictures of puppies and kittens?
| 496 |
researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:17:03pm |
re: #494 Gus 802
Ah, how some of us long for the old GOP.
You are not a well person.
I for one am most grateful.
| 497 |
researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:17:18pm |
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recusancy Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:18:02pm |
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Targetpractice Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:18:11pm |
Yeah, think I'm gonna call it a night too.
As a great man once said, "I'll be in my bunk."
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:18:47pm |
re: #496 researchok
You are not a well person.
I for one am most grateful.
Yeah. I'm almost half a century old, listening to RUSH, drinking Canadian Club and suddenly thought about good old Millicent Fenwick.
| 501 |
MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:18:52pm |
re: #494 Gus 802
Ah, how some of us long for the old GOP.
She also liked to smoke a good cigar, IIRC...
| 503 |
HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:20:05pm |
re: #494 Gus 802
Ah, how some of us long for the old GOP.
I have two dem senators here in Va but I do miss John Warner here. Never was on the ballot when I could vote but I liked him.
| 504 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:20:13pm |
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NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:20:46pm |
re: #498 recusancy
Primary?
Yes I think. Am I wrong? I'm falling asleep. Got to get an MRI on my brain in the morning. Maybe I should go to bed.
| 507 |
MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:20:54pm |
re: #502 Gus 802
Pipe.
Ahh....also, it's depressing that the man who replaced her was Frank Lautenberg.
| 508 |
recusancy Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:21:24pm |
re: #506 NJDhockeyfan
Yes I think. Am I wrong? I'm falling asleep. Got to get an MRI on my brain in the morning. Maybe I should go to bed.
She won her primary. In June.
| 509 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:22:00pm |
re: #495 Jadespring
Night!
I should get going soon too. I'm on chicken and dog duty tomorrow. They don't let me sleep in. However I need to erase that website out of my mind first. Anyone got any cute pictures of puppies and kittens?
I recommend zooborns.
| 510 |
Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:22:25pm |
This is a cool image.
Fenwick is on the left and that's Bella Abzug on the right.
| 511 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:22:52pm |
re: #508 recusancy
She won her primary. In June.
There you have it. I hope they fix my brain tomorrow. I'm losing it.
| 512 |
Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:23:16pm |
re: #507 talon_262
Ahh...also, it's depressing that the man who replaced her was Frank Lautenberg.
I was a big fan of Lautenberg. Used to write to him frequently.
| 513 |
SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:23:37pm |
re: #506 NJDhockeyfan
Yes I think. Am I wrong? I'm falling asleep. Got to get an MRI on my brain in the morning. Maybe I should go to bed.
Go to bed! Boxer won her primary back in June, handily. We're not going to match her up with Carly until November.
| 514 |
researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:23:44pm |
re: #500 Gus 802
Yeah. I'm almost half a century old, listening to RUSH, drinking Canadian Club and suddenly thought about good old Millicent Fenwick.
I'd like to spend a few hours with you and a couple of others, talking politics and chewing the fat
Man, that would be something.
| 515 |
engineer cat Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:23:54pm |
re: #510 Gus 802
This is a cool image.
Fenwick is on the left and that's Bella Abzug on the right.
i got to meet bella abzug once. my father went to law school with her
| 516 |
freetoken Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:24:18pm |
Shackled by a heavy burden,
'Neath a load of debt and shame.
Then the hand of Sarah touched me,
And now I am no longer the same.
She touched me, Oh She touched me,
And oh the votes that flood my poll!
Something happened and now I know,
She touched me and made me whole.
Since I met this blessed Savior,
Since She endorsed and made me whole,
I will never cease to praise Her,
I'll shout it while elections roll.
She touched me, Oh She touched me,
And oh the votes that flood my poll!
Something happened and now I know
She touched me and made me whole.
| 517 |
recusancy Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:25:06pm |
| 518 |
Jadespring Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:25:08pm |
re: #516 freetoken
Shackled by a heavy burden,
'Neath a load of debt and shame.
Then the hand of Sarah touched me,
And now I am no longer the same.She touched me, Oh She touched me,
And oh the votes that flood my poll!
Something happened and now I know,
She touched me and made me whole.Since I met this blessed Savior,
Since She endorsed and made me whole,
I will never cease to praise Her,
I'll shout it while elections roll.She touched me, Oh She touched me,
And oh the votes that flood my poll!
Something happened and now I know
She touched me and made me whole.
I hate you.
| 519 |
researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:25:33pm |
re: #515 engineer dog
i got to meet bella abzug once. my father went to law school with her
I liked Bella Abzug.
She was ahead of her time. Way ahead.
| 520 |
Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:25:41pm |
re: #514 researchok
I'd like to spend a few hours with you and a couple of others, talking politics and chewing the fat
Man, that would be something.
Wouldn't it be something if we had a big gathering? Maybe yes or maybe no. We could call it The Burning Lizard Festival.
| 521 |
freetoken Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:25:41pm |
| 522 |
MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:26:17pm |
re: #512 Gus 802
I was a big fan of Lautenberg. Used to write to him frequently.
I'll have to defer, as Lautenberg is and has not been my representative, but I was going by his (perhaps misinformed) reputation.
| 523 |
Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:26:39pm |
re: #519 researchok
I liked Bella Abzug.
She was ahead of her time. Way ahead.
She always spoke her mind and never held back. But in a good way like they used to back in the day. I was always fond of Betty Friedan.
| 524 |
NJDhockeyfan Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:27:30pm |
Goodnight friends. I have a rough day tomorrow.
| 525 |
engineer cat Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:27:39pm |
re: #519 researchok
I liked Bella Abzug.
She was ahead of her time. Way ahead.
takes me back to the good old days in nyc when dorothy schiff ran the new york post
| 526 |
MittDoesNotCompute Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:27:52pm |
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:27:54pm |
This talk of old time politicans makes me wish I had known my dad's dad. He died before I was born. He probably knew quite a few famous people due to his work at the government and the fact during my dad's childhood they lived in Arlington, Va near DC. He's probably the closest I have to a political role model in my family.
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Jadespring Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:28:03pm |
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:28:24pm |
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Jadespring Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:28:57pm |
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engineer cat Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:29:05pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:29:29pm |
re: #517 recusancy
This is pretty hilarious:
ACORN may not exist anymore but 20% of Americans still think (or at least say they think) it will steal the election to keep Democrats in control of Congress this fall.
(Adapted from an old piece by Anonymous about the Goodtimes Virus)
ACORN will re-write your hard drive. Not only that, but
it will scramble any disks that are even close to your computer. It
will recalibrate your refrigerator's coolness setting so all your ice
cream goes melty. It will demagnetize the strips on all your credit
cards, screw up the tracking on your television and use subspace field
harmonics to scratch any CD's you try to play.
It will give your ex-girlfriend your new phone number. It
will mix Kool-aid into your fishtank. It will drink all your beer and
leave its socks out on the coffee table when there's company coming
over. It will put a dead kitten in the back pocket of your good suit
pants and hide your car keys when you are late for work.
ACORN will make you fall in love with a penguin. It will
give you nightmares about circus midgets. It will pour sugar in your
gas tank and shave off both your eyebrows while dating your
girlfriend behind your back and billing the dinner and hotel room to
your Discover card.
It will seduce your grandmother. It does not matter if she
is dead, such is the power of ACORN, it reaches out beyond the
grave to sully those things we hold most dear.
It moves your car randomly around parking lots so you can't
find it. It will kick your dog. It will leave libidinous messages on
your boss's voice mail in your voice! It is insidious and subtle. It
is dangerous and terrifying to behold. It is also a rather
interesting shade of mauve.
ACORN will give you Dutch Elm disease. It will leave the
toilet seat up. It will make a batch of methamphetamine in your bathtub
and then leave bacon cooking on the stove while it goes out to chase
gradeschoolers with your new snowblower.
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:29:45pm |
re: #522 talon_262
I'll have to defer, as Lautenberg is and has not been my representative, but I was going by his (perhaps misinformed) reputation.
This was a long time ago. There was another well know Republican congressman that I would write sometimes about environmental issues. Met him once to discuss the issues. He set up a trailer in Tom River to meet with constituents.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:29:55pm |
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:30:12pm |
re: #523 Gus 802
She always spoke her mind and never held back. But in a good way like they used to back in the day. I was always fond of Betty Friedan.
Same smart loudmouth schools.
I think Abzug wore hats just so that people would look at her. Once they did, she's beat them down.
She was a smart, tough cookie.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:30:45pm |
With 79% of the precincts counted, Ayotte is up by 1213 votes. I think we can put this in the win column for The Sarah.
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:30:53pm |
re: #536 researchok
Same smart loudmouth schools.
I think Abzug wore hats just so that people would look at her. Once they did, she's beat them down.
She was a smart, tough cookie.
A formidable opponent! To Bella!
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:31:22pm |
re: #534 Gus 802
This was a long time ago. There was another well know Republican congressman that I would write sometimes about environmental issues. Met him once to discuss the issues. He set up a trailer in Tom River to meet with constituents.
Jersey.
You and the boss.
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:31:55pm |
re: #539 researchok
Jersey.
You and the boss.
That's Freehold. Some claim Asbury Park but he really grew up in Freehold.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:32:30pm |
re: #517 recusancy
This is pretty hilarious:
ACORN may not exist anymore but 20% of Americans still think (or at least say they think) it will steal the election to keep Democrats in control of Congress this fall.
Sheesh, talk about buying propaganda. What are they goign to believe next that ACORN is going to implement ideas in their dreams.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:33:08pm |
re: #540 Gus 802
That's Freehold. Some claim Asbury Park but he really grew up in Freehold.
Didn't he play a club in Long Branch too?
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Gus Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:34:11pm |
re: #542 researchok
Didn't he play a club in Long Branch too?
Probably. I was in Asbury many times but never went to see him. Same thing like when Twisted Sister would play in Seaside Heights. I was always a homebody.
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researchok Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:35:05pm |
re: #544 Gus 802
Probably. I was in Asbury many times but never went to see him. Same thing like when Twisted Sister would play in Seaside Heights. I was always a homebody.
Twisted Sister.
Figures.
manana
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JamesWI Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:37:49pm |
Every time someone brings up Robert Byrd as an "argument," just bring up a couple of other long dead racists, Strom Thurmond and Jessie Helms. The people who left the Democratic Party because, dangit, it wasn't racist enough anymore, and found a warm welcome with the new Republican Party.
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Eclectic Infidel Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:38:09pm |
I wonder how old establishment Republicans feel about the new brand of extremist GOP contenders.
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HappyWarrior Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:41:56pm |
re: #548 JamesWI
Every time someone brings up Robert Byrd as an "argument," just bring up a couple of other long dead racists, Strom Thurmond and Jessie Helms. The people who left the Democratic Party because, dangit, it wasn't racist enough anymore, and found a warm welcome with the new Republican Party.
It's also worth noting that Helms was unrepetent about hsi race baiting. I was no fan of Byrd but he apologized often for his past bigotry.
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SanFranciscoZionist Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:45:52pm |
re: #550 HappyWarrior
It's also worth noting that Helms was unrepetent about hsi race baiting. I was no fan of Byrd but he apologized often for his past bigotry.
Helms was a complete asshole.
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freetoken Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:46:45pm |
I'm watching the full NH GOP debate for Senate:
[Link: video.nhptv.org...]
4 out of the 5 were just spouting well debunked talking points. The other person (Binnie) sounded just marginally better plugged into reality.
It was a mix of libertarian fundamentalism and just buzz words.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:57:23pm |
re: #321 NJDhockeyfan
It worked for Robert Byrd. He lasted 51 years.
man, this again?
Broken records, love it
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blueraven Tue, Sep 14, 2010 10:57:52pm |
re: #524 NJDhockeyfan
Goodnight friends. I have a rough day tomorrow.
Hoping for the best possible outcome NJDhockeyfan. Get rest!
G'night all.
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tnguitarist Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:28:46am |
re: #145 NJDhockeyfan
We need politicians who are willing to work with the other side and get stuff accomplished for the good of our country. Reagan was outstanding at finding a way to get both sides to pass legislation. It doesn't exist today.
This quote made me laugh out loud. Are you saying that Obama has not been willing to work with the other side? Baloney. There have been numerous times he has included ideas that, in the past, have even been their(R) ideas only to watch them vote against measures they had previously supported.
The present government isn't divided because Obama refuses to work with the other side; it's divided because most Republicans know it's to their advantage to oppose anything that Obama proposes.
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