SC Republicans Play Confederate Dress-Up, Complete with Slaves

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At the annual Board of Directors meeting of the National Federation of Republican Women (NFRW) in Charleston, South Carolina, one of the sponsored events this year was titled “The Southern Experience:” How Republicans Party.

Here’s a photo of South Carolina Senate President Glenn McConnell, dressed up as a Confederate General and posing with two African Americans in slave costumes.

The event in question – dubbed “The Southern Experience” – was held last Friday evening at the Country Club of Charleston. Hosted by the South Carolina Federation of Republican Women, it was included on the national conference’s official itinerary.

In addition to McConnell, S.C. Gov. Mark Sanford attended (and spoke at) the event – although it was not listed on his weekly public schedule. S.C. Republican Attorney General nominee Alan Wilson also attended.

Invited speakers to the NFRW conference included U.S. House Majority Leader John Boehner, Senate Leader Mitch McConnell, RNC Chairman Michael Steele, Rep. Joe Wilson, House Speaker Bobby Harrell, former U.S. Ambassador David Wilkins and GOP gubernatorial nominee Nikki Haley.

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193 comments
1 darthstar  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:41:50am

And they're offended by masturbation?

2 garhighway  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:41:57am

When Sanford talked, was it about his Southern (Hemisphere) Experience?

3 Kragar  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:42:16am

I am at a complete loss of words over this utter and abject failure.

4 Kragar  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:42:55am

re: #2 garhighway

When Sanford talked, was it about his Southern (Hemisphere) Experience?

Hiking the Appalachians

5 iossarian  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:43:33am

But they found black people to play dress-up with them!

Ergo, not racist.

6 garhighway  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:43:54am

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Hiking the Appalachians

Two phrases easily confused for one another:

1> Hiking the Appalachian trail

2> Getting some Argentinian Tail

7 steve  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:46:10am

Dressed as a Confederate General? And here I thought that the Yankees only wore blue.

8 Mark Pennington  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:46:27am

Some of you guys who aren't from the South(as I am) would be shocked at the large number of people here who see nothing wrong with this. My uncle asked me what the problem was when I sent him a link to this story.

9 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:47:34am

They wouldn't have gone as Confederate Generals and slaves but the Party City in Charelston, SC was all out of U.S. Grant and Frederick Douglass costumes.

10 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:48:28am

re: #7 steve

Dressed as a Confederate General? And here I thought that the Yankees only wore blue.

See: Confederate General's Frockcoat.

11 darthstar  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:48:43am

re: #7 steve

Dressed as a Confederate General? And here I thought that the Yankees only wore blue.

It looks blue in that pic, but this picture shows it's definitely grey.

Image: nfrw-mcconnell-dancing.jpg

12 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:49:07am

I don't like to make fun of people's names, but the president of the NFRW is Sue Lynch.

13 Kragar  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:49:23am

re: #7 steve

Dressed as a Confederate General? And here I thought that the Yankees only wore blue.

Officers wore blue, enlisted wore the grey.

14 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:49:36am

re: #8 beekiller

Some of you guys who aren't from the South(as I am) would be shocked at the large number of people here who see nothing wrong with this. My uncle asked me what the problem was when I sent him a link to this story.

I'm not from the South but I live here. It astounds me that there are still people who like to remember the good 'ol days before emancipation and the Damn Yankees took away their lifestyle.

Fortunately they are few but there seem to be a disturbing amount of them in politics and other influencial positions. Good 'ol Boys is what they are.

15 Kragar  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:49:54am

re: #10 Charles

See: Confederate General's Frockcoat.

404

16 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:50:04am

Sorry, link was broken - here's the right one:

[Link: www.quartermastershop.com...]

17 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:50:27am
18 Kragar  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:51:00am
19 darthstar  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:51:11am

re: #17 Charles

Major General? I think the guy's just a major asshole.

20 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:51:26am

re: #13 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Apparently there were several different versions, and ranged from steel gray to a blue/gray.

21 abolitionist  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:51:50am

Maybe McConnell is trying to win the black vote.
/

22 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:52:05am

Note that those slaves seem happy and well-maintained.

/

23 darthstar  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:52:10am

re: #21 abolitionist

Maybe McConnell is trying to win own the black vote.
/


ftfy

24 Kragar  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:53:14am

re: #20 lawhawk

Apparently there were several different versions, and ranged from steel gray to a blue/gray.

Dress versus Service uniforms

25 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:54:09am

WHAT

THE

FUCK ???

26 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:55:37am

I wonder what the two black people on the photo think about extending the Bush tax cuts...

27 SpaceJesus  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:56:51am

what in the name of all that is me is this happy horse shit

28 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:57:44am

We live in some deeply weird times. Just a few years ago, literally a few, doing something like this would have gotten you viciously excoriated in the national media.

How is this even remotely acceptable? Is this all a joke? Am I in a practical joke version of the matrix or something? Somebody pinch me. It's getting less funny all the time.

29 steve  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:57:49am

re: #11 darthstar

It looks blue in that pic, but this picture shows it's definitely grey.

Image: nfrw-mcconnell-dancing.jpg

depends alot on the type of lights in the building and how the camera is set. Film was a lot easier to use. IMHO Outdoor color film used indoors went to the warm end of the spectrum while indoor filmed used outdoors went to the cool end of the spectrum. Ektachrome 200 went very blue at altitudes above 1000 feet

30 researchok  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:57:59am

Sometimes we forget that mediocrity is the human condition.

31 cliffster  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:58:20am

From the same newspaper, news site, whatever..

[Link: www.fitsnews.com...]

Definitely not dogging the masturbation there. Thanksgiving Weekend chapter 3 was interesting.

32 Kragar  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:59:08am

The gold banded kepi is the give away that this is meant to be a Confederate Officer's uniform.

33 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 11:59:28am

Has this kind of thing been going on all along and it's just that nobody but a small number of people knew about it? There has to be an explanation for this that doesn't include "the whole fucking country has suddenly become incredibly racist".

34 garhighway  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:00:20pm

re: #33 Fozzie Bear

Has this kind of thing been going on all along and it's just that nobody but a small number of people knew about it? There has to be an explanation for this that doesn't include "the whole fucking country has suddenly become incredibly racist".

In South Carolina it probably HAS been going on all along. That place is like no other.

35 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:01:12pm

The "official call" for the event says this:

Join us for a Southern dinner buffet, cash bar, and a taste of South Carolina culture, including:
Carolina Shag demonstration
Sweetgrass basketweaving
Gullah storyteller and singers

Wikipedia says this:

Celebrating Gullah culture

Over the years, the Gullahs have attracted many historians, linguists, folklorists, and anthropologists interested in their rich cultural heritage. Many academic books on that subject have been published. The Gullah have also become a symbol of cultural pride for blacks throughout the United States and a subject of general interest in the media. This has given rise to countless newspaper and magazine articles, documentary films, and children's books on Gullah culture, and to a number of popular novels set in the Gullah region.

Gullah people now organize cultural festivals every year in towns up and down the Lowcountry. Hilton Head Island, South Carolina, for instance, hosts a "Gullah Celebration" in February. It includes "De Aarts ob We People" show; the "Ol’ Fashioned Gullah Breakfast"; "National Freedom Day," the "Gullah Film Fest", "A Taste of Gullah" food and entertainment, a "Celebration of Lowcountry Authors and Books," an "Arts, Crafts & Food Expo," and "De Gullah Playhouse." Beaufort, South Carolina hosts the oldest and the largest celebration "The Original Gullah Festival" in May, and nearby Penn Center on St. Helena Island, South Carolina holds "Heritage Days" in November. Other Gullah festivals are celebrated on James Island, South Carolina and Sapelo Island, Georgia.

...and a whole lot more. So, not slaves, but still incredibly tone deaf about how it looks. The official call also says this:

Please wear cocktail attire -- this is your chance to dress up a bit!

Heh.

36 researchok  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:01:21pm

re: #33 Fozzie Bear

Has this kind of thing been going on all along and it's just that nobody but a small number of people knew about it? There has to be an explanation for this that doesn't include "the whole fucking country has suddenly become incredibly racist".

It's been going on for a very long time- and participation crosses the political spectrum.

In fact, the phenomena is probably growing. Lots of reasons.

37 SpaceJesus  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:01:40pm

that's it, get rid of the south immediately


let them be their own apartheid-era south africa, or sell it to cuba i don't care

38 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:03:26pm

re: #34 garhighway

In South Carolina it probably HAS been going on all along. That place is like no other.

Sopme Southern Colleges are just now asking fraternities to knock off the antebellum balls complete with costumes.

By and large most Southerners I know hate racism and do not celebrate a slaveholding past. The holdouts are few but vocal.

39 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:04:10pm

re: #7 steve

Dressed as a Confederate General? And here I thought that the Yankees only wore blue.

At the beginning of the woah, the Confederates also wore blue (made for a bunch of confusion at the First Battle of Bull Run) but changed to butternut/gray (actually undyed) when the Yankee blockade cut off their supply of indigo from the West Indies.

I think there were also indigo farms in South Carolina but apparently not enough to supply the entire Confederacy.

40 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:05:08pm

re: #28 Fozzie Bear

We live in some deeply weird times. Just a few years ago, literally a few, doing something like this would have gotten you viciously excoriated in the national media.

How is this even remotely acceptable? Is this all a joke? Am I in a practical joke version of the matrix or something? Somebody pinch me. It's getting less funny all the time.

When I posted this story to Charles, that was about my reaction as well.

41 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:05:13pm

re: #20 lawhawk

Apparently there were several different versions, and ranged from steel gray to a blue/gray.

Standardization was very spotty. A successful general could wear anything he pleased, as long as he killed Yankees.

42 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:05:13pm

re: #37 SpaceJesus

that's it, get rid of the south immediately


let them be their own apartheid-era south africa, or sell it to cuba i don't care


The good news is the rednecks are being driven into the hills. Literally- as the suburbs grow in the Atlanta area the double wide confederate flag flying yahoo crowd gets smaller each year.

The only exception are the remaining good 'ol boys who manage to hang onto political positions.

43 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:06:36pm

re: #33 Fozzie Bear

Has this kind of thing been going on all along and it's just that nobody but a small number of people knew about it? There has to be an explanation for this that doesn't include "the whole fucking country has suddenly become incredibly racist".

Read Confederates in The Attic.

44 zora  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:07:27pm

where the fuck do you find black people eager to reenact slavery. this must be some kind of slavery mentality sickness. i can't decide if i want to hug or slap them.

ot kinda- i have a distant cousin from south carolina whose name is general lee (he's in his seventies). first name general. middle name lee. how the hell do you name a little black boy after a confederate soldier?

45 Steve  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:07:51pm

re: #39 Alouette

At the beginning of the woah, the Confederates also wore blue (made for a bunch of confusion at the First Battle of Bull Run) but changed to butternut/gray (actually undyed) when the Yankee blockade cut off their supply of indigo from the West Indies.

I think there were also indigo farms in South Carolina but apparently not enough to supply the entire Confederacy.

I beleive Shelby Foote mentioned that in his series on the Civil War.

46 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:08:28pm

re: #35 wrenchwench
The Gulluh culture is a huge deal in South Carolina and a rightful place of pride for a people who predate the Revolution. But I don't remember Gulluh cultural events that included Confederate Generals.

This seems more like a case of Gulluh actors being polite in an awkward photo opportunity.

47 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:09:21pm

re: #43 celticdragon

Read Confederates in The Attic.

Excellent book, describing some of the "innocent" side of the heritage movement. RSM's Sons of Confederate Veterans had a low-toxic phase, but was co-opted, perhaps inevitably.

48 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:10:32pm

re: #35 wrenchwench

This offers no explanation for the confederate uniforms. In fact, since the Gullah were scheduled to be there, Glenn McConnell should have made sure to wear standard 21st century attire.

49 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:11:10pm

re: #46 DaddyG

The Gulluh culture is a huge deal in South Carolina and a rightful place of pride for a people who predate the Revolution. But I don't remember Gulluh cultural events that included Confederate Generals.

This seems more like a case of Gulluh actors being polite in an awkward photo opportunity.

Yeah, I figured that out right after you.

50 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:11:29pm

re: #44 zora

where the fuck do you find black people eager to reenact slavery. this must be some kind of slavery mentality sickness. i can't decide if i want to hug or slap them.

ot kinda- i have a distant cousin from south carolina whose name is general lee (he's in his seventies). first name general. middle name lee. how the hell do you name a little black boy after a confederate soldier?

Lee was a complex figure who almost fought for the North. He was more than a Confederate General and in many ways was a respectable figure. Naming a black child after him would not be my move but it's not akin to naming a child after the devil either.

51 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:11:44pm

re: #35 wrenchwench

The "official call" for the event says this:

Wikipedia says this:

...and a whole lot more. So, not slaves, but still incredibly tone deaf about how it looks. The official call also says this:

Heh.

Gullah language and culture developed in the slave communities of the coastal South -- so they still represent slaves.

52 Steve  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:11:45pm

If memory serves me correctly (lately it has not) there were a few Confederate Generals that were against slavery but were for the rights of states for "Self Determination."

53 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:15:18pm

re: #52 Steve

If memory serves me correctly (lately it has not) there were a few Confederate Generals that were against slavery but were for the rights of states for "Self Determination."

The rights of those states were for people to own slaves, though.

That's why every single declaration of secession mentions slavery explicitly.

54 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:15:29pm

re: #51 Charles

Gullah language and culture developed in the slave communities of the coastal South -- so they still represent slaves.


I suspect they were there to represent a culture born from Slavery, not to represent slaves. The Gullahs still exist as a culture today (one of Americas oldest continuous cultural groups) and they are fiercely proud of their heritage.

I don't blame the black actors (who may be actual Gullahs) for this. If anything I suspect they were probably being polite to have their picture taken with someone in a Confederate General costume.

That doesn't mean his choice of costume and photo opportunity was good in any way.

55 RadicalModerate  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:16:33pm

And these people still have the gall to call themselves "The Party of Lincoln".

56 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:17:25pm

re: #54 DaddyG

They might have represented free, post-war Gullah.

But when placed next to a Confederate general, well, it really brings home the issue of the Civil War.

Black people + Confederacy = slaves.

57 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:17:31pm

When I often say that the rest of the country is like a different planet, this is what I'm talking about right here

58 Kragar  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:17:44pm

re: #52 Steve

If memory serves me correctly (lately it has not) there were a few Confederate Generals that were against slavery but were for the rights of states for "Self Determination."

Lee was opposed to slavery, but fought for Virginia.

On the other hand, Sherman did not become an abolitionist until after the war.

59 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:17:46pm

re: #54 DaddyG

I suspect they were there to represent a culture born from Slavery, not to represent slaves. The Gullahs still exist as a culture today (one of Americas oldest continuous cultural groups) and they are fiercely proud of their heritage.

I don't blame the black actors (who may be actual Gullahs) for this. If anything I suspect they were probably being polite to have their picture taken with someone in a Confederate General costume.

That doesn't mean his choice of costume and photo opportunity was good in any way.

Oh, I'm sure there are plenty of ways to make excuses for this. And I'm sure nobody came right out and said they were supposed to represent slaves. They're Gullahs.

I don't blame the black actors either, by the way.

60 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:18:35pm

re: #53 Obdicut

The rights of those states were for people to own slaves, though.

That's why every single declaration of secession mentions slavery explicitly.


There were many reasons that people fought for the Confederacy. Slavery was a major reason, but not the only one.

61 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:18:38pm

re: #56 Obdicut

They might have represented free, post-war Gullah.

But when placed next to a Confederate general, well, it really brings home the issue of the Civil War.

Black people + Confederacy = slaves.

This.

62 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:18:52pm

Yep, this is completely harmless.
See, I've been known to dress as an Schutzstaffel for shits and giggles.
/Acidic

63 steve_davis  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:18:58pm

re: #29 steve

depends alot on the type of lights in the building and how the camera is set. Film was a lot easier to use. IMHO Outdoor color film used indoors went to the warm end of the spectrum while indoor filmed used outdoors went to the cool end of the spectrum. Ektachrome 200 went very blue at altitudes above 1000 feet

Film was most definitely NOT easier to use. Going from outside to inside meant having to change film, unless you wanted to use a flash, or have all of your pictures come out orange because the film was designed for daylight use, not lightbulbs. Nowadays, if I want to shoot in a cemetery and then go take shots in a church, I press a couple of buttons on the back of my Sony Alpha and I've changed film sensitivity for the type/amount of light. And I get immediate confirmation from a histogram as to whether or not I need to retake because I botched something.

64 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:19:02pm

re: #52 Steve

If memory serves me correctly (lately it has not) there were a few Confederate Generals that were against slavery but were for the rights of states for "Self Determination."


There were Southerners who ranged from "Slavery is our God given right and we'll fight to keep it that way" to "We know slavery is evil and we plan to phase it out but not at the expense of collapsing our economy" all the way to "this isn't right and I'm going up north to fight with the Union Army". One Virginia Millitary Institute graduate even rose to the rank of General in the Union Army.

I suspect more than a few people chose the wrong side of the moral issue because of their loyalty to the home team.

Over all they did make a choice to support states that supported slavery and they are culpable for their decisions.

65 Kragar  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:19:28pm

re: #58 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Lee was opposed to slavery, but fought for Virginia.

On the other hand, Sherman did not become an abolitionist until after the war.

Correction, by abolotionist, I meant dissaproving of slavery.

66 Steve  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:19:28pm

re: #53 Obdicut

Confederate Generals

67 RadicalModerate  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:20:28pm

re: #60 ralphieboy

There were many reasons that people fought for the Confederacy. Slavery was a major reason, but not the only one.

Name one reason that didn't tie directly to the Confederate states' rights to hold slaves.

68 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:20:40pm

re: #59 Charles

Oh, I'm sure there are plenty of ways to make excuses for this. And I'm sure nobody came right out and said they were supposed to represent slaves. They're Gullahs.

I don't blame the black actors either, by the way.


We're in agreement. It was the actors I'm defending. I doubt they went anywhere with the intent of glorifying past slavery. That was the only point I was trying to make.

69 Kragar  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:20:44pm

re: #60 ralphieboy

There were many reasons that people fought for the Confederacy. Slavery was a major reason, but not the only one.

The impression that slave states were trying to say their rights superceded the rights of the free state was another issue.

70 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:20:49pm

By the way, you can see someone else in a Confederate uniform in the picture too -- O'Donnell wasn't the only one dressed that way.

71 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:21:20pm

re: #62 Varek Raith

Yep, this is completely harmless.
See, I've been known to dress as an Schutzstaffel for shits and giggles.
/Acidic


Prince Henry is that you? /

72 Steve  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:22:39pm

re: #63 steve_davis

Film was most definitely NOT easier to use. Going from outside to inside meant having to change film, unless you wanted to use a flash, or have all of your pictures come out orange because the film was designed for daylight use, not lightbulbs. Nowadays, if I want to shoot in a cemetery and then go take shots in a church, I press a couple of buttons on the back of my Sony Alpha and I've changed film sensitivity for the type/amount of light. And I get immediate confirmation from a histogram as to whether or not I need to retake because I botched something.

Sorry but I am an old school photographer. I actually prefere B&W to color. I have nothing against digital (own a couple myself) but have ran into to many people with digital that think they are photographers.

73 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:23:22pm

re: #67 RadicalModerate

Name one reason that didn't tie directly to the Confederate states' rights to hold slaves.

Slavery was without a doubt a key issue.

Neither you nor I were in the American south when people were called on to decide whether to fight to support the confederacy or the union and I am glad that we never had to make any such choice.

74 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:23:38pm

re: #60 ralphieboy

There were many reasons that people fought for the Confederacy. Slavery was a major reason, but not the only one.

I didn't say that it was the only reason that people fought for the confedearcy.

It was, however, the issue that the states seceded. They seceded to keep the right to own black people as slaves.

That is why every secession document contains a declaration about slavery.

75 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:24:54pm

The wingnuts are really trying hard to put out the meme that I've been doing wholesale editing of my old LGF posts. It's all over the place today.

I haven't, of course. This is all based on deleting TWO WORDS from one post.

76 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:24:54pm

re: #70 Charles

By the way, you can see someone else in a Confederate uniform in the picture too -- O'Donnell wasn't the only one dressed that way.

And no non-Gullah black people.

77 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:25:49pm

re: #67 RadicalModerate

Name one reason that didn't tie directly to the Confederate states' rights to hold slaves.


Self determination and the fact that States were as much of an identity as the Union is now for citizens pre civil war.

The same reason that some perfectly decent limited government types end up at rallys today where racists are on the podium.

All Confederates were defending a slave system. Not all Confederates were fans of slavery.

Frankly New York broke out in riots over the emancipation proclaimation. Being Union or Confederate was not a brand of political or moral purity by any stratch of the imagination.

78 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:26:45pm

re: #72 Steve

Sorry but I am an old school photographer. I actually prefere B&W to color. I have nothing against digital (own a couple myself) but have ran into to many people with digital that think they are photographers.

We traded some artistry for accessibility.

79 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:27:18pm

re: #77 DaddyG

Being Union or Confederate was not a brand of political or moral purity by any stratch of the imagination.

I am glad none of us had to make that choice

80 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:27:21pm

re: #76 wrenchwench

And no non-Gullah black people.

They were serving. /

Snarky comment but probably containing some truth.

81 RadicalModerate  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:27:55pm

Remember the big stink raised in the press when Prince William showed up at a Halloween party dressed as a Nazi, about how inappropriate it was?

I consider this one to be significantly worse - because at that Halloween party, you didn't have him posing for pictures with people with a yellow Star of David sewn into their clothing.

82 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:28:24pm

re: #74 Obdicut

I didn't say that it was the only reason that people fought for the confedearcy.

It was, however, the issue that the states seceded. They seceded to keep the right to own black people as slaves.

That is why every secession document contains a declaration about slavery.

And as soon as they exerted their "rights", they surrendered many of those rights to a overweening wartime federation.

83 Steve  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:28:34pm

re: #63 steve_davis

Got one of these

[Link: www.calumetphoto.com...]

and one of these

Image: NikonD60.jpg

84 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:29:39pm

re: #82 Decatur Deb

And as soon as they exerted their "rights", they surrendered many of those rights to a overweening wartime federation.

Which is one of the reasons they lost: Georgia, for example, had a surplus of uniforms and equipment that it was unwilling to share with other states who were desperately in need.

85 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:29:41pm

re: #79 ralphieboy

I am glad none of us had to make that choice


My ancestors were Yankees and some were abolitionist Quakers. I would move back North today if the civil rights movement or emancipation were turned back. Having said that no family or party is pure. I had one ancestor who owned two house slaves and freed them upon his death.

86 cliffster  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:30:31pm

It won't make any difference. It wouldn't make a difference if you plastered this picture all over the NYT. The people casting votes are people who would be unfazed by any of it. And unphased too.

87 Steve  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:31:16pm

re: #78 DaddyG

We traded some artistry for accessibility.

amazing what anyone with a computer can do ;-)

88 Kragar  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:31:33pm

A good overview on the various factors leading to the Civil War can be found here, with plenty of notes and links to additional reading material. Slavery was the keystone to the war, but it developed over time. The South was in fact happy to support a strong Federal government if the decisions meant their rights took precedence.

89 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:31:48pm

re: #86 cliffster

It won't make any difference. It wouldn't make a difference if you plastered this picture all over the NYT. The people casting votes are people who would be unfazed by any of it. And unphased too.

They go beyond brazen about it, they will attack anyone who criticizes them about it for being to PC purist or for curtailing their First Amendment Rights, etc...

90 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:32:23pm

I find it profound that in Lincoln's Second Inagural Address he refers to the sins of the nation being atoned for. He did not just blame the South for the bondsmans lash. He knew that the blood paying for our sins was not limited to the rebellion.

91 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:32:54pm

re: #87 Steve

amazing what anyone with a computer can do ;-)

I'm not a political expert but I play one on LGF!

92 watching you tiny alien kittens are  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:32:55pm

Hey nobody told that it was time for fantasy fest 2010 already! Damn and I had an absolutely perfect Goebbels uniform ready and a bulimic pseudo Jew ready to play my concentration camp internee.

/Too far? (yeah I know, but THEY did it first!) :(

(my advance apologies to anyone offended by my rather sad sense of humor)

93 SpaceJesus  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:33:01pm

re: #42 DaddyG


there's hope?

94 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:33:12pm

Wow. Now apparently every change I make to LGF is part of some master plan to cover up ... something or other.

Including removing the little leftist/terrorist illustration from the logo. And changing the sidebar. Everything I do is part of my scheme.

I really am a mastermind of evil.

95 webevintage  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:33:23pm

re: #35 wrenchwench

Please wear cocktail attire -- this is your chance to dress up a bit!

When did dressing in a Confederate General's uniform constitute "cocktail attire"?

96 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:33:36pm

re: #88 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A good overview on the various factors leading to the Civil War can be found here, with plenty of notes and links to additional reading material. Slavery was the keystone to the war, but it developed over time. The South was in fact happy to support a strong Federal government if the decisions meant their rights took precedence.

Your last sentence makes most sense if those rights that should take precedence were to maintain and spread slavery.

97 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:33:40pm

re: #81 RadicalModerate

Remember the big stink raised in the press when Prince William showed up at a Halloween party dressed as a Nazi, about how inappropriate it was?

I consider this one to be significantly worse - because at that Halloween party, you didn't have him posing for pictures with people with a yellow Star of David sewn into their clothing.

Exactly. This was a political event. It's pretty clear whose votes they aren't even thinking about.

98 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:34:16pm

re: #88 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The South was in fact happy to support a strong Federal government if the decisions meant their rights took precedence.

Which brings us right back to the Liberals and Conservatives.

99 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:34:29pm

re: #95 webevintage

When did dressing in a Confederate General's uniform constitute "cocktail attire"?

Right part of the anatomy, wrong animal.

Neigh?

100 eachus  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:35:04pm

This picture has been taken out of context as a smear. When Ted Turner put on a Confederate uniform to participate in a movie, no one accused him of being a closet racist. (Lots of other things like egotistical, but not that. ;-)

This situation is virtually the same. You have reenactors in period clothing doing their thing--in this case reenacting period dances from the Civil War. There were also Gullah performers there, also on the entertainment bill. Breathe into a paper bag if you have to, but get over it.

As for you stitch counters here, get over it too. The pictures are just not good enough to tell the farbys from the real reenactors. But at least the uniform is ill fitting enough in the shoulders. ;-)

101 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:35:05pm

re: #94 Charles

Wow. Now apparently every change I make to LGF is part of some master plan to cover up ... something or other.

Including removing the little leftist/terrorist illustration from the logo. And changing the sidebar. Everything I do is part of my scheme.

I really am a mastermind of evil.

These are people who cannot grasp the concept of being wrong or mistaken in their ideas or beliefs. The thought of changing/adapting them over time is so alien that they can only interpret it as a cabalic scheme of disinformation and deceit.

102 jaunte  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:35:15pm

re: #94 Charles

I hear that letting people post to 'Pages' leads to communism.

103 Kragar  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:35:35pm

re: #96 Decatur Deb

Your last sentence makes most sense if those rights that should take precedence were to maintain and spread slavery.

That was exactly the case;

Historian Henry Brooks Adams explains that the anti-slavery North took a consistent and principled stand on states' rights against Federal encroachment throughout its history, while the Southern states, whenever they saw an opportunity to expand slavery and the reach of the slave power, often conveniently forgot the principle of states' rights—and fought in favor of Federal centralization:

Between the slave power and states' rights there was no necessary connection. The slave power, when in control, was a centralizing influence, and all the most considerable encroachments on states' rights were its acts. The acquisition and admission of Louisiana; the Embargo; the War of 1812; the annexation of Texas "by joint resolution" [rather than treaty]; the war with Mexico, declared by the mere announcement of President Polk; the Fugitive Slave Law; the Dred Scott decision — all triumphs of the slave power — did far more than either tariffs or internal improvements, which in their origin were also southern measures, to destroy the very memory of states' rights as they existed in 1789. Whenever a question arose of extending or protecting slavery, the slaveholders became friends of centralized power, and used that dangerous weapon with a kind of frenzy. Slavery in fact required centralization in order to maintain and protect itself, but it required to control the centralized machine; it needed despotic principles of government, but it needed them exclusively for its own use. Thus, in truth, states' rights were the protection of the free states, and as a matter of fact, during the domination of the slave power, Massachusetts appealed to this protecting principle as often and almost as loudly as South Carolina.[5]

104 calochortus  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:36:04pm

Usually when you have a 'dress up' party, everyone does it, not just a few-which gives this event a weird look. Also, your average general had their uniforms tailored for them, McConnell's jacket and vet simply don't fit well. The "slaves" on the other hand look like they took some pains over doing their costumes right. Well fitted, nice look-except for the insane theme of the party, of course. I assume they are professional entertainers as opposed to amateur clowns.

105 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:36:14pm

re: #93 SpaceJesus

there's hope?


Yes.

106 What, me worry?  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:37:07pm

re: #54 DaddyG

re: #56 Obdicut

re: #59 Charles

I'm totally with you guys.

But at the end of day, it's hard to look at that picture and not get a chill up your spine. Personally, I don't think they really needed the singers (I'll call them singers) to make it offensive. Dressing in a confederate generals outfit does it all on its own.

I used to do what we called "Rendezvous" which were kind-of Indian/early settler re-enactments. They were a TON of fun. I knew a few Civil War re-enactors who used to come to our Rendezvous. As an FYI, I never picked up a racist vibe from the ones I met.

107 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:37:08pm

re: #93 SpaceJesus

there's hope?

If we change.

108 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:37:28pm

re: #100 eachus

This situation is virtually the same. You have reenactors in period clothing doing their thing--in this case reenacting period dances from the Civil War.

It's a Board of Directors meeting, not a reenactment of anything.

109 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:37:56pm

re: #100 eachus

This picture has been taken out of context as a smear. When Ted Turner put on a Confederate uniform to participate in a movie, no one accused him of being a closet racist. (Lots of other things like egotistical, but not that. ;-)

Ted's Civil War movies did a fairly decent job of discussing the topic of slavery and its role in the war.

The image I get from this photo is one of people making slavery seem harmless and nostalgic.

110 What, me worry?  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:38:13pm

re: #94 Charles

Wow. Now apparently every change I make to LGF is part of some master plan to cover up ... something or other.

Including removing the little leftist/terrorist illustration from the logo. And changing the sidebar. Everything I do is part of my scheme.

I really am a mastermind of evil.

Yes, but you're OUR mastermind of evil!

Mole hill --> mountain.

111 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:38:37pm

re: #108 wrenchwench

It's a Board of Directors meeting, not a reenactment of anything.

Sometimes it's a re-enactment, sometimes it's a rehearsal.

112 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:38:50pm

re: #100 eachus

Like, whut.
Fool.

113 avanti  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:38:52pm

Carl Paladino Wants To Send Unemployment & Welfare Recipients to Prison. Just saw him on CNN, and he wants to declare any site touched by the debris cloud to be subject to imminent domain seizure if it's use is inappropriate. No video of that yet.

114 Steve  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:39:04pm

re: #94 Charles

Wow. Now apparently every change I make to LGF is part of some master plan to cover up ... something or other.

Including removing the little leftist/terrorist illustration from the logo. And changing the sidebar. Everything I do is part of my scheme.

I really am a mastermind of evil.


It is amazing what one can do with a computer;-)

115 cliffster  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:39:27pm

re: #88 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

A good overview on the various factors leading to the Civil War can be found here, with plenty of notes and links to additional reading material. Slavery was the keystone to the war, but it developed over time. The South was in fact happy to support a strong Federal government if the decisions meant their rights took precedence.

I think this little bit of hypocrisy is pretty universal right to today. Amending the US constitution to define marriage hardly seems like keeping governance at a state level.

116 RadicalModerate  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:39:44pm

re: #73 ralphieboy

Slavery was without a doubt a key issue.

Neither you nor I were in the American south when people were called on to decide whether to fight to support the confederacy or the union and I am glad that we never had to make any such choice.

Not during the 1860s, to be sure.

However, I did live there in the 1960s-1990s, in a very conservative area of Louisiana, and the "Dixie" mentality was a prevalent part of the culture there.
One thing that I remember from our state History classes we were required to take to graduate from high school was that there was a *LOT* of coverage of the Civil War years - and it was written extrememly sympathetically toward the Confederate cause - up to the point of actually supporting slavery. United States History classes weren't much different.

117 Kragar  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:40:31pm

re: #115 cliffster

I think this little bit of hypocrisy is pretty universal right to today.

Never said it wasn't

118 cliffster  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:41:10pm

never said you never said it wasn't

119 Kragar  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:41:45pm

re: #118 cliffster

never said you never said it wasn't

Third base.

120 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:42:27pm

re: #100 eachus South Carolina has a rich Revolutionary war history but I didn't see anyone dressing up as Maj. Gen. Benjamin Lincoln. In fact it would have been most appropriate for a Charleston event.

121 Steve  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:42:33pm

Part of Lincoln's address: "Both parties deprecated war; but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive, and the other would accept war rather than let it perish."

122 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:42:38pm

re: #118 cliffster

never said you never said it wasn't

Depends on what you mean by "was"

123 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:43:13pm

re: #60 ralphieboy

There were many reasons that people fought for the Confederacy. Slavery was a major reason, but not the only one.

Slavery was the reason there was a war in the first place

Once the war is on, well, everyone's fighting period

124 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:43:54pm

re: #116 RadicalModerate

Not during the 1860s, to be sure.

However, I did live there in the 1960s-1990s, in a very conservative area of Louisiana, and the "Dixie" mentality was a prevalent part of the culture there.
One thing that I remember from our state History classes we were required to take to graduate from high school was that there was a *LOT* of coverage of the Civil War years - and it was written extrememly sympathetically toward the Confederate cause - up to the point of actually supporting slavery. United States History classes weren't much different.

Creepy!

125 What, me worry?  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:44:25pm

re: #113 avanti

Carl Paladino Wants To Send Unemployment & Welfare Recipients to Prison. Just saw him on CNN, and he wants to declare any site touched by the debris cloud to be subject to imminent domain seizure if it's use is inappropriate. No video of that yet.


[Video]

Ya gotta love the anti-American GOP.

Screw the poor, the elderly, the minorities, the immigrants, the gays and the women.

That just leaves the rich, white guys. You think Tancredo, Gingrich or any of them give a rat's ass about what happens to the poor, the elderly, minorities, women's rights? Please. The economy can tank, the oil can dry up and the planet can burn up, they'll be just fine.

126 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:44:27pm

re: #113 avanti

Carl Paladino Wants To Send Unemployment & Welfare Recipients to Prison.

Because that worked out so well for England. Just read a Dickens novel for a full flavor of the fun times and social health.

127 Vicious Babushka  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:45:23pm

re: #113 avanti

Carl Paladino Wants To Send Unemployment & Welfare Recipients to Prison. Just saw him on CNN, and he wants to declare any site touched by the debris cloud to be subject to imminent domain seizure if it's use is inappropriate. No video of that yet.

[Video]

Holy freaking shit.

128 cliffster  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:45:30pm

re: #122 ralphieboy

or maybe it depends on what I meant by "n't"

130 Steve  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:45:47pm

Got to go. Past my nap time and I have to be to work at 1745. The good part is I am not working 120 to 150 hours in two weeks anymore.

Ya all have a good time now, ya here!

131 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:45:57pm

What's you doing there? Playing a little bit of dress up? Yeah it's fun to pretend.

132 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:46:00pm

re: #123 WindUpBird

Slavery was the reason there was a war in the first place

Once the war is on, well, everyone's fighting period

Not everyone. Check out "The State of Jones" by Sally Jenkins.

[Link: www.amazon.com...]

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

133 Kragar  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:46:55pm

re: #131 HappyWarrior

What's you doing there? Playing a little bit of dress up? Yeah it's fun to pretend.

I like wearing my Commissar's Uniform from time to time, but not to a dinner party and reception.

...WAIT!

134 cliffster  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:47:09pm

Oil stain in the shape of... no, not the Virgin Mary... Texas!

[Link: cheezburger.com...]

135 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:47:09pm

re: #125 marjoriemoon

That just leaves the rich, white guys. You think Tancredo, Gingrich or any of them give a rat's ass about what happens to the poor, the elderly, minorities, women's rights? Please. The economy can tank, the oil can dry up and the planet can burn up, they'll be just fine.

There was another commenter (bloodstar, I think) who said the Republicans would burn America to the ground if it meant they got to rule over the ashes.

In a just world (since the GOP represents the economic interests of the wealthiest 2% of the population), 2% of the vote is exactly what they would get :P

136 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:48:18pm

re: #100 eachus

This picture has been taken out of context as a smear.

Exactly what did I write that qualifies as a "smear?" If you read my post a little more carefully, you'll find that I simply described the event factually.

If people think it looks bad, that's probably because it looks bad. Not because I "smeared" anyone.

137 recusancy  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:49:19pm

re: #136 Charles

Exactly what did I write that qualifies as a "smear?" If you read my post a little more carefully, you'll find that I simply described the event factually.

If people think it looks bad, that's probably because it looks bad. Not because I "smeared" anyone.

They smeared themselves. It tends to happen every time they do something or open their mouths.

138 What, me worry?  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:50:59pm

re: #135 publicityStunted

There was another commenter (bloodstar, I think) who said the Republicans would burn America to the ground if it meant they got to rule over the ashes.

In a just world (since the GOP represents the economic interests of the wealthiest 2% of the population), 2% of the vote is exactly what they would get :P

hehe Very true!

It's really freakin scary, waiting for November to see how this shakes out, but I'm putting all my money on the American people. I don't think we accept this as a nation. I really don't. We're smarter. We like freedom and in the end, we want it for everyone.

I believe that.

I do.

I really do.

It's my mantra and I have to keep saying it!

139 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:51:43pm

re: #129 recusancy


You make a point that abolition of slavery was seen in the South as tanamount to a confiscation of property, property that these people thought worth fighting for.

But even abolition might have been glossed over or successfully ignored if the South had not been so insistent on exporting slavery to the newly settled territories.

There was Civil War in Kansas over the slavery issue as early as 1854.

140 Cineaste  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:52:26pm

re: #21 abolitionist

Maybe McConnell is trying to win the black vote.
/

2/3rds of it at least...


(yes, yes, I know - the northerners were the ones who didn't want to count southern slaves, but still...)

141 Varek Raith  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:55:37pm

re: #113 avanti

Can I kick this guy in the nads???
/

142 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:57:23pm

re: #141 Varek Raith

Can I kick this guy in the nads???
/

Just don't let your foot linger or you will be in trouble with O'Donnel and the rest of the sexual purity as political policy crowd.

143 Kragar  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:57:46pm

re: #141 Varek Raith

Can I kick this guy in the nads???
/

Small target.

144 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:57:55pm

The Confederacy: America's favorite lovable loser, right after the Chicago Cubs*
*Apologies to any Cubs fans here.

145 avanti  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 12:59:59pm

re: #141 Varek Raith

Can I kick this guy in the nads???
/

Only if you wait for him to seize the coat factory and make it into a "war memorial" (He actually said he'd do just that) Somehow, seizing private property to prevent its religious use seem un-Reagan to me.

146 recusancy  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:00:28pm

re: #139 ralphieboy

You make a point that abolition of slavery was seen in the South as tanamount to a confiscation of property, property that these people thought worth fighting for.

But even abolition might have been glossed over or successfully ignored if the South had not been so insistent on exporting slavery to the newly settled territories.

There was Civil War in Kansas over the slavery issue as early as 1854.

My point was that the civil war was about slavery and it's a myth that Lee or any other southern general for that matter was anti slavery. There's always someone trying to claim that "there were many reasons for the war". Bullshit. As Ta-Nehisi writes "The God of History binds the Confederacy in its own chains."

147 abolitionist  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:01:25pm

re: #100 eachus

This picture has been taken out of context as a smear. When Ted Turner put on a Confederate uniform to participate in a movie, no one accused him of being a closet racist. (Lots of other things like egotistical, but not that. ;-)
[snip]

The movie was largely about General Stonewall Jackson, so Turner wearing Yankee colors might have been tough to work into the script.

148 webevintage  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:01:38pm

re: #100 eachus

This picture has been taken out of context as a smear. When Ted Turner put on a Confederate uniform to participate in a movie, no one accused him of being a closet racist. (Lots of other things like egotistical, but not that. ;-)

Bullshit.
The people putting on the event suggested "cocktail attire".
Cocktail attire is NOT dressing up in Confederate & and Antebellum clothing.
Why would anyone think this was a good idea?

And it is going to get SERIOUSLY fucking old if these GOP/Teatards respond to reporting/posting of every stupid ass or corrupt or illegal thing they have done with whining about "smears" and "personal attacks".
President Palin is the only one who gets to be the professional victim, the rest of them need to do as O'Donnell suggested to Castle when she lied about him being gay and "Put your man pants on."

149 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:02:13pm

At this point, the crazier the GOP gets, the better.

Even if they win, they lose.

150 Gus  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:03:37pm

It's amazing that guys like Eachus try to claim that this photo is a smear and focus on LGF. Never leaving the confines of the isolated right wing blogs they fail to realize that a story such as this and the accompanying photos have raised many an eyebrow beyond LGF as proven in this Google news search. The headlines read:

Republicans party like it's 1865

GOP Enjoys Some Good Ol' Fashioned Racism At South Carolina Conference

Media Circus: Republicans Really Miss Slavery!

How South Carolina Republicans View The Idyllic South

SC State Senate Majority Leader Glenn McConnell's Confederate Obsession

'A Southern Experience' Photos of Glenn McConnell, Others Causes Stir

SC Republicans celebrate the 'good old antebellum days'

Glenn McConnell's week in Rebel hell begins

The "well that didn't come out right" files: SC Senator posing in Civil War ...

Why Is This South Carolina Senate President Playing Confederate Dress-up With ...

The story here is the South Carolina goons dressed up like Confederates and posing with actors as slaves. That's the story and they once again fail to do any soul searching as to the reason why this would cause a stir. Once again they can only play the victim when caught in the act of making fools of themselves and subsequently blame the messengers.

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152 Kragar  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:08:27pm

Carl Paladino's ill-informed Tea Party rage will spell doom for GOP's credibility in NY

Carl Paladino loves to bluster about going after Albany's powerbrokers with a baseball bat, but the only thing he's likely to beat to a pulp is the state GOP's credibility.

Or what's left of it, anyway.

Paladino's brand of ill-informed Tea Party rage sold well with the minority of Republicans who turned out for Tuesday's primary, letting him humiliate a lackluster Rick Lazio.

But it spells almost certain disaster for his fellow Republicans in November - and beyond.

Why?

Because the reckless statements, hollow promises and dumb ideas that have been coming from the Buffalo millionaire's mouth mean his GOP running mates will have to spend the next seven weeks fending off questions about his every outrage and gaffe.

"He will be extremely harmful to the party," says Susan Del Percio, a Republican strategist not involved in any New York races.

"You're going to see a lot of people extremely turned off by the Republican brand because of him. . . . And candidates running down ballot will be forced to distance themselves."

153 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:08:39pm

You know I find it funny that the Confederacy is still celebrated. I'm from Virginia and it's honestly one part of Southern culture I'll never understand. I don't believe that every person who fought for the Confederacy was evil but I don't understand why it's celebrated either. Let's be honest here as James Longstreet was after the war ended: the Confederacy was started because they were afraid that Lincoln was going to take away their rights to own fellow human beings. You say "states rights"and I say "states rights..............to own people." There is nothing more inhumane and yes evil than owning another human being.

154 recusancy  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:08:46pm

re: #151 Bill Jefferson


Then quit celebrating the confederacy.

155 avanti  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:09:52pm

re: #150 Gus 802

It's amazing that guys like Eachus try to claim that this photo is a smear and focus on LGF. Never leaving the confines of the isolated right wing blogs they fail to realize that a story such as this and the accompanying photos have raised many an eyebrow beyond LGF as proven in this Google news search. The headlines read:

The story here is the South Carolina goons dressed up like Confederates and posing with actors as slaves. That's the story and they once again fail to do any soul searching as to the reason why this would cause a stir. Once again they can only play the victim when caught in the act of making fools of themselves and subsequently blame the messengers.

The ex Lizard's claim it's no different than Ted Turner putting on the uniform for a movie, but I missed the name of the film on this one.

156 rhino2  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:10:35pm
157 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:10:41pm

re: #151 Bill Jefferson

That's because you could breed your own, you sorry apologist.

158 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:10:56pm

re: #155 avanti

The ex Lizard's claim it's no different than Ted Turner putting on the uniform for a movie, but I missed the name of the film on this one.

Gods and Generals.

159 Gus  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:11:35pm

re: #155 avanti

The ex Lizard's claim it's no different than Ted Turner putting on the uniform for a movie, but I missed the name of the film on this one.

Gettysburg?

Yeah, Ted Turner. Last I checked he wasn't a member of a political party.

OK, I see it was Gods and Generals instead.

160 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:11:41pm

re: #155 avanti

The ex Lizard's claim it's no different than Ted Turner putting on the uniform for a movie, but I missed the name of the film on this one.

It was Either Gods and Generals or Gettysburg. I can't remember which one.

Hey, Governor Sonny Perdue was an extra in We Are Marshall when he played the coach for Eastern Carolina. That doesn't mean he hates Georgia football teams.

161 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:11:49pm

re: #151 Bill Jefferson

I'm 23, from Virginia. I'm not proud of our state's history with slavery and the Confederacy but I'm proud to be from the state of Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, and countless others.

162 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:14:16pm

re: #159 Gus 802

Gettysburg?

Yeah, Ted Turner. Last I checked he wasn't a member of a political party.

OK, I see it was Gods and Generals instead.

I think he was in both actually. If I recall, he played the Civil War relatiev of George Patton who was mortally wounded at Gettysburg. I thought Gettysburg was better than Gods and Generals personally. I really want someone to make a movie about the Irish Brigade personally. I have their brigade slogan: Riamh Nar Dhruid O Spairn Iann (Who has never retreated from a clash of spears) tattooed on my right arm. Recently bought a book about Thomas Meagher too. Fascinating guy. Sad story though.

163 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:14:46pm

re: #151 Bill Jefferson

Bye now!

164 Fat Bastard Vegetarian  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:15:12pm

re: #163 Charles

Gosh. I didn't see that coming.

165 tnguitarist  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:16:15pm

re #151.......They got their marching orders. I'll give them one thing; the bastards are persistent.

166 brookly red  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:16:16pm

I know this is a minor point... & I am not a civil war expert but didn't the confederates have grey uniforms?

167 webevintage  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:16:34pm

I live in the South.
We still recognize Robert E Lee's birthday on MLK Day in Arkansas.
awesome.

I do not GET the whole love of the civil war era.
When you celebrate the Confederacy you are celebrating people who were NOT Patriots, who were NOT good Americans. They were rebelling against the United States if America.
There is nothing glorious about that.
Nothing.

168 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:17:14pm

re: #161 HappyWarrior

I'm 23, from Virginia. I'm not proud of our state's history with slavery and the Confederacy but I'm proud to be from the state of Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, and countless others.


My friend from Kentucky (another transplanted Northerner) visited the Georgia State Capitol when he was in Altanta. After he and his family toured the museum and grounds he commented to me, "I hardly saw anything from the Civil War Period in there!?"

He was correct. Most of the exhibits of an historical nature concentrate on colonial and revolutionary heroes from Georgia and figures in the Civil Rights movement. There are a few civil war uniforms visible in portraiture but only because they are on statemen and governors from the period.

Martin Luthor King Jr. is featured prominently on the wall outside of the Governor's Office.

The grown ups are not celebrating that sad era of our history.

169 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:17:22pm

Class of 2004 strikes again.

170 recusancy  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:17:22pm

re: #167 webevintage

I live in the South.
We still recognize Robert E Lee's birthday on MLK Day in Arkansas.
awesome.

I do not GET the whole love of the civil war era.
When you celebrate the Confederacy you are celebrating people who were NOT Patriots, who were NOT good Americans. They were rebelling against the United States if America.
There is nothing glorious about that.
Nothing.

[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

171 Decatur Deb  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:17:41pm

re: #166 brookly red

I know this is a minor point... & I am not a civil war expert but didn't the confederates have grey uniforms?

They settled that above. Basically, the grunts wore what they could get and the Generals wore what made them pretty.

172 avanti  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:19:04pm

re: #166 brookly red

I know this is a minor point... & I am not a civil war expert but didn't the confederates have grey uniforms?

picture.

173 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:19:24pm

re: #162 HappyWarrior

I think he was in both actually. If I recall, he played the Civil War relatiev of George Patton who was mortally wounded at Gettysburg. I thought Gettysburg was better than Gods and Generals personally. I really want someone to make a movie about the Irish Brigade personally. I have their brigade slogan: Riamh Nar Dhruid O Spairn Iann (Who has never retreated from a clash of spears) tattooed on my right arm. Recently bought a book about Thomas Meagher too. Fascinating guy. Sad story though.


One of the most moving scenes in either of those movies (again I'm not sure which one) was when the two Irish brigades faced off accross an open field. That was heart wrenching.

174 webevintage  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:19:33pm

re: #170 recusancy

[Link: www.theatlantic.com...]

I read that earlier this year.
Ta-Nehisi Coates did some great writing in the spring and early summer on race and the civil war.

175 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:20:16pm

re: #168 DaddyG

Ummm... by that sad era I mean the Civil War not the Civil Rights movement. Just to be perfectly clear!!!

176 HappyWarrior  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:21:09pm

re: #173 DaddyG

One of the most moving scenes in either of those movies (again I'm not sure which one) was when the two Irish brigades faced off accross an open field. That was heart wrenching.

I think you're talking about Gods and Generals with the Fredericksburg scene. I've long been interested in the immigrant experiences during the war. Wasn't just Irish but people of many nationalities that fought for both's sides. My lone ancestor who fought in the civil war was a German immigrant.

177 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:22:25pm

re: #167 webevintage

I live in the South.
We still recognize Robert E Lee's birthday on MLK Day in Arkansas.
awesome.

I do not GET the whole love of the civil war era.
When you celebrate the Confederacy you are celebrating people who were NOT Patriots, who were NOT good Americans. They were rebelling against the United States if America.
There is nothing glorious about that.
Nothing.

We have Robert E Lee's birthday but observe it as a State holiday the day after Thanksgiving (it works out better for scheduling purposes). Most of us in the executive branch roll our eyes and think the State legislature is nuts. I take the day off however.

178 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:25:06pm

re: #176 HappyWarrior

I think you're talking about Gods and Generals with the Fredericksburg scene. I've long been interested in the immigrant experiences during the war. Wasn't just Irish but people of many nationalities that fought for both's sides. My lone ancestor who fought in the civil war was a German immigrant.


Most of my civil war ancestors were third generation or more American (by way of England and Scotland) but one revolutionary war soldier was a Hessian who got caught in his pajamas on Christmas eve by Geo. Washington and Henry Knox. He was "convinced of the rightness of the American cause" and spent the remainder of the Revolutionary War as an American soldier. His grandson fought for the Union.

179 allegro  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:28:09pm

re: #167 webevintage

I do not GET the whole love of the civil war era.
When you celebrate the Confederacy you are celebrating people who were NOT Patriots, who were NOT good Americans. They were rebelling against the United States if America.
There is nothing glorious about that.
Nothing.

Not to mention that they, yanno, LOST!! You LOST guys, you are LOOOOOSERRRRRS! (channeling Sam Kinneson)

180 Feline Emperor of the Conservative Tears  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:49:06pm

re: #127 Alouette

Holy freaking shit.

Not to mention that the upper class will immediately form a "fortress mentality" since there is now all the more reason for the serfs to rise up and take them out.

Living in eternal fear of a downtrodden and purposefully undereducated underclass and no way to run a nation. Not to mention the huge waste of human potential and resources trying to keep the lid on the kettle.

181 Jack Fate  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:56:29pm

On the topic of civil war movies, there is a scene I remember vague details of but I have never been able to find the movie/documentary that I saw it in. I am hoping the lizards can come through.

Civil war era (although it could be revolutionary) where the General on one side has a premonition about where the next decisive battle should be fought. When the General later rides through the countryside he recognizes the local landscape as the place he dreamt about and proceeds to prepare for battle.

Any ideas? (there is a chance I mashed up this memory from multiple sources)

182 Romantic Heretic  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:02:10pm

The wingnuts really are clueless dorks, aren't they?

183 Old Dragon  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:13:51pm

Oh my....where is my Sharps ?

Old Dragon, 10 yrs a Yankee cavalryman.

184 tradewind  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:24:37pm

re: #95 webevintage
Since the early 1900's, at any college or university campus with a KA** chapter in the spring, at their annual Old South weekend.
** One of the Lexington Triad frats, along with Sigma Nu and ATO.

185 Steve Dutch  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:05:31pm

Didn't the Confederacy wear gray? And the Union wore blue? I'm a stickler for details.

Someone (I think it was the Smothers Brothers) wrote this moving Civil War ballad:

In the terrible year 1864
Three brothers bravely marched to war.
One wore blue, and one wore gray...
And the third wore fuchsia.
They didn't take him.

186 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:38:50pm

re: #185 SteveDutch

Didn't the Confederacy wear gray? And the Union wore blue? I'm a stickler for details.

Er, well, if you're such a stickler for details, you might want to read the previous comments before bringing that up for the third time.

187 steve_davis  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:45:04pm

re: #72 Steve

Sorry but I am an old school photographer. I actually prefere B&W to color. I have nothing against digital (own a couple myself) but have ran into to many people with digital that think they are photographers.

Well, I'm not old-school, but I shoot both film and digital on occasion, and for almost any application, digital is better. If you need to blow something up to wall-size, then I'd guess large-format film would be your best bet, but for a thousand bucks, you can now pick up a Sony 850 that puts something like 25 MP onto a 35 mm sensor.

Not sure if this will work, but I'll try to link something off Flickr, shot with a digital. This first one is Ilford B&W 100, with the Minolta:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

And here's one using a 10 year-old, 4MP Sony Cybershot:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

To my mind, those are both reasonably successful compositions, and the Minolta shot got played with in Photoshop anyway, so it might as well have been shot digitally to start with :-)

188 steve_davis  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:47:44pm

re: #187 steve_davis

crap. I think that first link is supposed to have a front slash at the end that didn't get picked up when I copy-and-pasted. Sorry! Let me see if I can get it correct here:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

189 celticdragon  Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:50:09pm

re: #151 Bill Jefferson

You have got to be kidding.

190 Taunka  Thu, Sep 16, 2010 4:36:51am

Holy crap ! If someone told me this story I'd have trouble believing it. But darn that woman on the right looks like the late comedian Nipsy Russel.

191 Taunka  Thu, Sep 16, 2010 4:40:59am

re: #179 allegro

I guess they miss being tennant farmers and cannon fodder for the old plantation owners. But they even had them fooled up here, remember the draft riots in NYC ?

192 [deleted]  Sun, Sep 19, 2010 11:38:30am
193 Charles Johnson  Sun, Sep 19, 2010 11:40:15am

re: #192 JosephineSouthern

Get the hell off my website.


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