Audio: Rush Limbaugh Trashes Karl Rove
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It’s a right wing free-for-all! Rush Limbaugh goes nuclear on Karl Rove for noticing that Christine O’Donnell is, to use a technical term, nuts.
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freetoken Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:27:58pm |
Karma - the universe's way of making sure everybody pays.
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Gus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:28:06pm |
"I'm not voting for that woman -- she's crazy."
Don Mell, Republican Strategist on Christine O'Donnell
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Four More Tears Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:28:14pm |
So this is what a circular firing squad really looks like...
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:29:31pm |
Though I'd much rather have a party or the media trashing Rove over his scorched earth political tactics than his failing to drink the Kook-Aid.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:29:41pm |
re: #6 McSpiff
Revolutions do tend to eat their own.
Indeed, whose quote is that? I've always forgotten. Always liked that.
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MrSilverDragon Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:29:57pm |
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:30:12pm |
wow... I am logged on to LGF and listening to Rush... kinky!
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elizajane Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:30:28pm |
Doesn't Linda McMahon pay big round idiots to do this to each other? I guess it's the Republican thing these days.
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Kruk Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:31:16pm |
Dude. When people turn on Karl Rove and Ann Coulter for being RINOs, you know the shark has well and truly been jumped.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:31:46pm |
Are you feeling the love? I feel it.
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:32:39pm |
re: #14 Kruk
Dude. When people turn on Karl Rove and Ann Coulter for being RINOs, you know the shark has well and truly been jumped.
it's only rock & roll but I like it :)
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:33:00pm |
Obama is destroying our country, and Christine O'Donnell is one of the people who can help save it.
Simple as that.
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Jetpilot1101 Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:33:19pm |
Election day is going to be one weird day. I've been saying from the beginning that I don't think the dems lose control of either side of Congress in spite of what the polls have been saying. In light of the recent zany winners in GOP primaries, I think I'm going to be correct in my prediction.
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DaddyG Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:33:40pm |
re: #15 darthstar Great- now I'm laughing so hard the cleaning staff thinks I'm insane. At least you waited until after normal office hours. /
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TedStriker Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:34:22pm |
re: #14 Kruk
Dude. When people turn on Karl Rove and Ann Coulter for being RINOs, you know the shark has well and truly been jumped.
And that the GOP has been well and truly fucked by the batshit psycho wingnuts...if there's any justice in the world, the TP wingnut loons will go down in flames in the generals.
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Sol Berdinowitz Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:34:24pm |
The Republicans will gain seats, but not a majority. And it will be blamed on those Republicans who were not ideologically pure enough and lead to a further RINO hunt in the party leading up to a serious 2012 debacle.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:34:26pm |
re: #19 DaddyG
Great- now I'm laughing so hard the cleaning staff thinks I'm insane. At least you waited until after normal office hours. /
I always loved that commercial.
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calochortus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:35:24pm |
Umm yeah, no one in the GOP ever impugned the character of Ted Kennedy or Barak Obama.
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McSpiff Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:35:28pm |
re: #8 HappyWarrior
Indeed, whose quote is that? I've always forgotten. Always liked that.
Can't remember, but I want to say it was about the French revolution, maybe even by a French revolutionary?
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DaddyG Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:36:00pm |
The far right has confused unhappiness with the current incumbents in congress and the white house with a mandate for wingnuttery. In the primaries the disenfranchised tea party supporters are assisting them in marching off the far right end of the cliff. They may very well snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in November.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:36:45pm |
re: #25 DaddyG
The far right has confused unhappiness with the current incumbents in congress and the white house with a mandate for wingnuttery. In the primaries the disenfranchised tea party supporters are assisting them in marching off the far right end of the cliff. They may very well snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in November.
Hard to say at this point.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:36:46pm |
Since this thread is about Limbaugh, another fart video is in order...
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:36:51pm |
re: #25 DaddyG
The far right has confused unhappiness with the current incumbents in congress and the white house with a mandate for wingnuttery. In the primaries the disenfranchised tea party supporters are assisting them in marching off the far right end of the cliff. They may very well snatch defeat from the jaws of victory in November.
How very like the Democrats of them...
[bold added]
/
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:37:15pm |
re: #24 McSpiff
Can't remember, but I want to say it was about the French revolution, maybe even by a French revolutionary?
Hmmmm I think you're right about the time period. I don't really know as much as I would want to about the French revolution to think of a name. I thought I saw in reference to Ernst Rohm once the SA leader who Hitler had killed along with others in the Night of Long Knives but the expression I think too is much older. As I said I always liked it because as a student of history, it is a theme I see reoccur again and again.
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:37:37pm |
re: #24 McSpiff
Can't remember, but I want to say it was about the French revolution, maybe even by a French revolutionary?
I don't think people really comprehend the anger that is out there...
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Kronocide Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:39:25pm |
Denial.... '(Karl Rove) is destroying our country!)
I thought it was partisan politics and extremism. My bad Rushbo.
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McSpiff Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:39:41pm |
re: #29 HappyWarrior
Hmmm I think you're right about the time period. I don't really know as much as I would want to about the French revolution to think of a name. I thought I saw in reference to Ernst Rohm once the SA leader who Hitler had killed along with others in the Night of Long Knives but the expression I think too is much older. As I said I always liked it because as a student of history, it is a theme I see reoccur again and again.
Completely is. Except, to my understanding, the American revolution.
re: #30 brookly red
I don't think people really comprehend the anger that is out there...
I'm not saying one way or another. I'm just saying Rove caused a fundamental shift (a revolution if you will) in the policies of the GOP, and he's now being turned on. As HappyWarrior pointed out, this is a rather common theme in history.
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Kruk Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:40:03pm |
re: #28 oaktree
How very like the Democrats of them...
[bold added]/
Indeed. I remember when the circular firing squad used to be a Democrat speciality.
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Varek Raith Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:40:12pm |
re: #14 Kruk
Dude. When people turn on Karl Rove and Ann Coulter for being RINOs, you know the shark has well and truly been jumped.
Rush can't here you since leaving the gravitational pull of the planet.
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Winny Spencer Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:40:14pm |
The ultimate water carrier for the Bush administration and the Republican establishment, he was. But now the wind blows in another direction.
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calochortus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:40:17pm |
If Rove and Limbaugh do decide to duke it out, it could be interesting to watch. Rush has a lot of influence and a great platform, but Rove has made a career out of getting even.
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:40:42pm |
re: #32 McSpiff
Completely is. Except, to my understanding, the American revolution.
re: #30 brookly red
I'm not saying one way or another. I'm just saying Rove caused a fundamental shift (a revolution if you will) in the policies of the GOP, and he's now being turned on. As HappyWarrior pointed out, this is a rather common theme in history.
yes it is, no doubt it is.
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Varek Raith Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:40:56pm |
re: #34 Varek Raith
Rush can't hear you since leaving the gravitational pull of the planet.
Dammit.
I can't speak properly.
;)
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TedStriker Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:41:43pm |
re: #21 ralphieboy
The Republicans will gain seats, but not a majority. And it will be blamed on those Republicans who were not ideologically pure enough and lead to a further RINO hunt in the party leading up to a serious 2012 debacle.
As an apparent RINO myself (because I didn't drink the TPer/Troofer/Birfer Kool-Aid), the batshit insane TPer candidates and the spineless GOP leadership can just get bent.
As long as they're driving the GOP bus, I would be very, very hard pressed to vote R, unless it were a local candidate who's positions and affiliations I could vet (if there were no other suitable candidate).
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:42:08pm |
re: #29 HappyWarrior
Hmmm I think you're right about the time period. I don't really know as much as I would want to about the French revolution to think of a name. I thought I saw in reference to Ernst Rohm once the SA leader who Hitler had killed along with others in the Night of Long Knives but the expression I think too is much older. As I said I always liked it because as a student of history, it is a theme I see reoccur again and again.
I recall a science fiction anthology that included a short story that was concluding with a revolutionary group overthrowing the existing government. One of the incoming leaders was an academic of some sort with a governmental theory to be implemented.
The post-story commentary (perhaps by Asimov?) was that he'd come across readers of the story who thought the ending positive, and an equal number who thought it negative. The younger readers saw it more positively as a change of form that would lead to a better society. The older readers saw it as negative since attempts to change a government and implement theory tended to lead to despotism and further destruction.
Sounds something like the old saw about "If you're under 30 and not a liberal you have no heart, and if you're over 30 and not a conservative you have no brain." ;)
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avanti Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:42:50pm |
re: #36 calochortus
If Rove and Limbaugh do decide to duke it out, it could be interesting to watch. Rush has a lot of influence and a great platform, but Rove has made a career out of getting even.
Don't look to Rove to go hat in hand to Rush. I don't approve of Rove's politics, but he's a smart and tough cookie.
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DaddyG Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:42:50pm |
re: #30 brookly red
I don't think people really comprehend the anger that is out there...
We have generations of people raised to think they are the best most deserving most entitled people in the history of the world (Bommers through Millenials) who now face a reduction in their standard of living and perhaps even poverty. They were not shaped by a depression (and even refer to a bad recession as like unto that terrible period in our history) and were not shaped by sacrifice in a worldwide conflict for freedom or a national struggle for civil rights.
They also have a poor concept of civics and civil rights as a whole.
Suddenly they are being told NO for the first time in their lives.
Yeah. There's anger out there and the politics is getting more polarized and uglier.
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:43:10pm |
re: #36 calochortus
If Rove and Limbaugh do decide to duke it out, it could be interesting to watch. Rush has a lot of influence and a great platform, but Rove has made a career out of getting even.
like it or not, do you have any idea of how large Rush's audience is...
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DaddyG Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:44:44pm |
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calochortus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:45:11pm |
re: #43 brookly red
like it or not, do you have any idea of how large Rush's audience is...
Yes, I do-but like I said, Rove has a long history of being very, very good at getting even.
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:45:27pm |
I'm waiting for Rush to tell his huge audience to all go to the window, lean out, and shout "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!"
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:45:41pm |
re: #42 DaddyG
We have generations of people raised to think they are the best most deserving most entitled people in the history of the world (Bommers through Millenials) who now face a reduction in their standard of living and perhaps even poverty. They were not shaped by a depression (and even refer to a bad recession as like unto that terrible period in our history) and were not shaped by sacrifice in a worldwide conflict for freedom or a national struggle for civil rights.
They also have a poor concept of civics and civil rights as a whole.
Suddenly they are being told NO for the first time in their lives.
Yeah. There's anger out there and the politics is getting more polarized and uglier.
you say they but don't you mean we?
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McSpiff Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:45:46pm |
re: #43 brookly red
like it or not, do you have any idea of how large Rush's audience is...
Rove managed to have his message delivered by a majority of the mainstream media at one point (think the lead up the Iraq War). He may not have full access to those resources anymore, but he'll still be a formidable opponent.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:46:06pm |
Republican DA sends sext message to abuse victim...sometimes, you just can't make this shit up.
"Are you the kind of girl that likes secret contact with an older married elected DA ... the riskier the better?" Kratz, 50, wrote in a message to Stephanie Van Groll in October 2009. In another, he wrote: "I would not expect you to be the other woman. I would want you to be so hot and treat me so well that you'd be THE woman! R U that good?"
Of course, when asked about this, he blew up at reporters...why? Well, his reputation, of course:
"This is a non-news story," Kratz shouted. But he added, "I'm worried about it because of my reputational interests. I'm worried about it because of my 25 years as a prosecutor."
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DaddyG Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:46:16pm |
re: #45 calochortus
Yes, I do-but like I said, Rove has a long history of being very, very good at getting even.
Rush is likely to find the sheets on his guest bed at the Crawford Ranch short sheeted. /
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:47:42pm |
re: #46 oaktree
I'm waiting for Rush to tell his huge audience to all go to the window, lean out, and shout "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!"
Rush is probably secretly hoping Obama gets re-elected. Obama's second term means more things to bitch about for Rush. Which means more money and notoriety for Rush. Come to think of it, I can't remember anything particularly stupid or outrageous Rush said on the air during the Bush presidency. Rush and those like him need the Democrats in power so they have a base. If George H.W Bush had beat Clinton in '92, I highly doubt that Limbaugh becomes the household name he's become.
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DaddyG Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:47:53pm |
re: #47 brookly red
you say they but don't you mean we?
Yes- we. All of us to a greater or lesser extent.
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engineer cat Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:48:19pm |
re: #43 brookly red
like it or not, do you have any idea of how large Rush's audience is...
in which dimension?
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gehazi Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:48:29pm |
re: #45 calochortus
Of course, in the past he's gotten even with the help of people like Rush. And even if he doesn't need Rush himself, can the people he would normally depend on for help afford to snub Rush? When was the last time any Republican defied El Rushbo without running back to apologize with a week?
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:49:12pm |
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darthstar Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:49:18pm |
re: #50 DaddyG
Rush is likely to find the sheets on his guest bed at the Crawford Ranch short sheeted. /
The Crawford ranchette prop was sold soon after the 2008 elections. Cowboy George hung up his brush-dragging gloves and moved to an upscale neighborhood outside of Houston (as I actually predicted he would back in 2000)
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DaddyG Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:49:46pm |
re: #55 engineer dog
in which dimension?
Its called a Universe for a reason. Sheish- quantum physics nuts. /
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calochortus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:49:48pm |
re: #56 gehazi
That's why it would be an interesting fight to watch.
Meanwhile, this special snowflake, entitled baby boomer has to go do some actual work. BBL
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McSpiff Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:49:56pm |
re: #52 Pip's Squeak
Talleyrand is often a safe guess.
He's a fountain of great quotes, and general insight on political machinations.
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:50:55pm |
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McSpiff Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:51:14pm |
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DaddyG Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:51:15pm |
re: #58 darthstar
The Crawford ranchette prop was sold soon after the 2008 elections. Cowboy George hung up his brush-dragging gloves and moved to an upscale neighborhood outside of Houston (as I actually predicted he would back in 2000)
I'd sell an upscale house for several acres of wildreness in a hearbeat. Heck I'd take either. I am grateful for my acre of yardwork in the suburbs.
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engineer cat Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:52:12pm |
re: #59 DaddyG
Its called a Universe for a reason. Sheish- quantum physics nuts. /
:-)
i was thinking more of waist-size
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McSpiff Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:52:20pm |
re: #64 Gus 802
He has a great deal of power that he wields over his stupid audience whom he calls dittoheads.
Power is power.
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Gus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:52:24pm |
re: #62 brookly red
well I think you may be in for a surprise...
What kind of surprise? He's going to convince 100 percent of Delaware Republicans and 75 percent of independents to vote for O'Donnell? That would sure be a surprise.
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gehazi Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:53:16pm |
re: #60 calochortus
Interesting in a way I guess. I want the Republican party as it currently exists to fall to pieces, the better for a new and stronger opposition party to form, but I don't take any particular pleasure in watching it happen.
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Feline Fearless Leader Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:53:39pm |
re: #69 Gus 802
What kind of surprise? He's going to convince 100 percent of Delaware Republicans and 75 percent of independents to vote for O'Donnell? That would sure be a surprise.
all hail Hynotoad!
/
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:53:51pm |
re: #64 Gus 802
He has a great deal of power that he wields over his stupid audience whom he calls dittoheads.
go ahead and call them stupid... what did Kerry say? "I can't believe I am losing to this asshole... "
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garhighway Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:54:17pm |
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McSpiff Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:54:25pm |
This Rove-Limbaugh thing could easily turn into the axis the party splits along.
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darthstar Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:54:37pm |
re: #70 gehazi
Interesting in a way I guess. I want the Republican party as it currently exists to fall to pieces, the better for a new and stronger opposition party to form, but I don't take any particular pleasure in watching it happen.
My standard response when I see that phrase:
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gehazi Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:54:40pm |
re: #72 brookly red
go ahead and call them stupid... what did Kerry say? "I can't believe I am losing to this asshole... "
They are stupid. :)
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Lidane Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:54:56pm |
re: #14 Kruk
Dude. When people turn on Karl Rove and Ann Coulter for being RINOs, you know the shark has well and truly been jumped.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:55:27pm |
re: #30 brookly red
I don't think people really comprehend the anger that is out there...
The anger! The anger!
Sure, people are mad as hell. The economy sucks, and culture war is burning bright.
Anger toward a Republican administration helped Obama coast into office, but I don't remember this kind of ominous 'ooooh, the electorate is sooooo mad' talk. How is this different from the last eighteen or twenty times the electorate has been mad at midterms?
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:55:32pm |
re: #75 McSpiff
This Rove-Limbaugh thing could easily turn into the axis the party splits along.
or they could kiss and make up tomorrow...
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:56:43pm |
re: #79 SanFranciscoZionist
The anger! The anger!
Sure, people are mad as hell. The economy sucks, and culture war is burning bright.
Anger toward a Republican administration helped Obama coast into office, but I don't remember this kind of ominous 'oooh, the electorate is sooo mad' talk. How is this different from the last eighteen or twenty times the electorate has been mad at midterms?
exactly it is no different at all... expect the same results.
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engineer cat Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:56:57pm |
by 2013, i fully expect to see at least two seperate entities claiming to be the True And Original Republican Party (Conservative)
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:57:19pm |
re: #43 brookly red
like it or not, do you have any idea of how large Rush's audience is...
So he can beat Karl Rove? Maybe. But he's still not head of the party?
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gehazi Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:58:16pm |
re: #80 brookly red
or they could kiss and make up tomorrow...
"Oh Rove...I can't stay mad at you when you kiss me."
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:58:20pm |
re: #83 SanFranciscoZionist
So he can beat Karl Rove? Maybe. But he's still not head of the party?
nor is Rove... really what do you care? you dislike them both.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:58:28pm |
re: #61 McSpiff
He's a fountain of great quotes, and general insight on political machinations.
I actually did a search. Found a Matt Yglesias article ironically enough about Limbaugh criticizing Gingrich for not going far enough back in 2009 in which he quotes a Georges Danton. Can't find that quote on Danton's wiki page though so I am not sure. This is really a good excuse to take a class on the French Revolution. Believe I saw one of our professors who wrote a book on it interviewed on the history channel on a program about it. The French Revolution is the part of European history where I start to get really interested because of the beginnings of nationalism and stuff. That stuff fascinates me.
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engineer cat Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:59:06pm |
perhaps the emperor limbaugh could convene a council of nicea to determine whether christine o'donnell is of the same substance as ronald reagan or only a similar substance
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darthstar Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:59:07pm |
re: #86 brookly red
nor is Rove... really what do you care? you dislike them both.
I don't dislike Limbaugh...I hate the fucker.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:59:10pm |
I think we are now seeing a revolution eat its own.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:59:13pm |
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Gus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 2:59:26pm |
re: #72 brookly red
go ahead and call them stupid... what did Kerry say? "I can't believe I am losing to this asshole... "
Uh. The only power he has is over his dittoheads. He has a following in Delaware no doubt and they will all be the good Limbaugh sheep they are and vote for O'Donnell. Otherwise, Rush won't get a new Delaware audience and he won't convince anyone in Delaware to change their vote O'Donnell. There aren't even enough registered Republicans in Delaware for her to win. I said it three times now. They would need to have 100 percent of Republicans to vote for Christine "Turbo-Tax" O'Donnell and then get another 75 percent of independents.
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Lidane Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:00:20pm |
re: #20 talon_262
And that the GOP has been well and truly fucked by the batshit psycho wingnuts...
Nah. That'll happen in 2012 if the TP morans and psycho wingnuts spend the next two years trying to force the GOP to investigate Obama or shut down the government instead of making a case for why they should win in 2012.
If Obama curbstomps them by even greater numbers than he did in 2008, THEN the GOP will be well and truly fucked.
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:00:37pm |
re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist
Possibly, but I'm also all the time being told how I overestimate him, and he's just a talk-show host, so it's kind of difficult to tell which way it goes.
exactly, so just look at the election results and say it is what it is. be here now :)
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gehazi Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:00:53pm |
re: #88 engineer dog
perhaps the emperor limbaugh could convene a council of nicea to determine whether christine o'donnell is of the same substance as ronald reagan or only a similar substance
No, the big question is whether they both proceed from the one substance or split it between them.
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Lidane Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:01:53pm |
re: #30 brookly red
I don't think people really comprehend the anger that is out there...
The problem is, that anger is unfocused and incoherent (see: Party, Tea).
Unfocused, incoherent anger is just ranting and raving. All that supposed anger doesn't mean shit if it doesn't lead to anything productive in the long term.
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garhighway Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:02:51pm |
re: #96 Lidane
The problem is, that anger is unfocused and incoherent (see: Party, Tea).
Unfocused, incoherent anger is just ranting and raving. All that supposed anger doesn't mean shit if it doesn't lead to anything productive in the long term.
One man's productive is another man's destructive. It depends on where you sit and what you want.
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Kruk Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:03:42pm |
re: #42 DaddyG
We have generations of people raised to think they are the best most deserving most entitled people in the history of the world (Bommers through Millenials) who now face a reduction in their standard of living and perhaps even poverty. They were not shaped by a depression (and even refer to a bad recession as like unto that terrible period in our history) and were not shaped by sacrifice in a worldwide conflict for freedom or a national struggle for civil rights.
They also have a poor concept of civics and civil rights as a whole.
Suddenly they are being told NO for the first time in their lives.
Yeah. There's anger out there and the politics is getting more polarized and uglier.
That's the Tea Party's base right there. They bring to mind spoiled children throwing a tantrum because others are finally getting a piece of the pie thye've had to themselves all along.
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funky chicken Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:04:16pm |
re: #7 oaktree
Though I'd much rather have a party or the media trashing Rove over his scorched earth political tactics than his failing to drink the Kook-Aid.
It's hugely ironic since Rove was largely responsible for cultivating the South Carolina kooks so GW could beat McCain in their primary in 2000.
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:04:35pm |
re: #96 Lidane
The problem is, that anger is unfocused and incoherent (see: Party, Tea).
Unfocused, incoherent anger is just ranting and raving. All that supposed anger doesn't mean shit if it doesn't lead to anything productive in the long term.
oh, but don't you see a focus?
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gehazi Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:05:06pm |
re: #98 Kruk
That's the Tea Party's base right there. They bring to mind spoiled children throwing a tantrum because others are finally getting a piece of the pie thye've had to themselves all along.
Who can really blame them? That sweet white privilege pie is sooo delicious.
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:06:02pm |
re: #92 Gus 802
Uh. The only power he has is over his dittoheads. ...
and how many are they?
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gehazi Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:06:46pm |
re: #100 brookly red
oh, but don't you see a focus?
Of course the TP has a focus, it's the inevit-
Squirrel!
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Shiplord Kirel Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:06:47pm |
re: #58 darthstar
The Crawford ranchette prop was sold soon after the 2008 elections. Cowboy George hung up his brush-dragging gloves and moved to an upscale neighborhood outside of Houston (as I actually predicted he would back in 2000)
The new Bush spread is actually in greater Preston Hollow, Dallas. In a startling display of media mendacity, one of our local wingnut radio hosts tried to represent PH as a comfy middle class place ("not like those rich folks on Mockingbird Lane"). It is actually one of the most expensive neighborhoods in the country, home to such plain folk as T. Boone Pickens, Mark Cuban, and Ross Perot.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:07:13pm |
If "destroying America" involves the death of the GOP, I'm for it.
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Lidane Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:07:15pm |
re: #97 garhighway
One man's productive is another man's destructive. It depends on where you sit and what you want.
Except that the Tea Party wants things that can't co-exist.
They want lower taxes and less spending, but they ALSO want sealed borders, and a strong military.
They want the government to stay the hell out of their medical care, but don't you dare cut their Medicare benefits or Social Security.
They want small government, but they want to round up and deport millions of people.
The entire Tea Party platform is incoherent and unfocused, and untenable. It's never going to work, so all their anger is pointless. It's just a bunch of populist ranting.
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Gus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:08:40pm |
re: #102 brookly red
None of this matters. The only that matters is who is going to vote in Delaware and that will Delaware residents not some guy sitting in a retirement home in Florida listening to Rush and the millions of others like him.
Democrat. Chris. Coons. Leads. O'Donnell. 50. Percent. To. 34. Percent.
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:08:57pm |
re: #105 Cato the Elder
If "destroying America" involves the death of the GOP, I'm for it.
yes we know...
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:10:21pm |
re: #107 Gus 802
None of this matters. The only that matters is who is going to vote in Delaware and that will Delaware residents not some guy sitting in a retirement home in Florida listening to Rush and the millions of others like him.
Democrat. Chris. Coons. Leads. O'Donnell. 50. Percent. To. 34. Percent.
yes very true, that is what I keep saying forget your feelings and do the math.
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Gus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:11:05pm |
re: #109 brookly red
yes very true, that is what I keep saying forget your feelings and do the math.
I did the math. O'Donnell can't win.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:11:18pm |
re: #106 Lidane
Except that the Tea Party wants things that can't co-exist.
They want lower taxes and less spending, but they ALSO want sealed borders, and a strong military.
They want the government to stay the hell out of their medical care, but don't you dare cut their Medicare benefits or Social Security.
They want small government, but they want to round up and deport millions of people.
The entire Tea Party platform is incoherent and unfocused, and untenable. It's never going to work, so all their anger is pointless. It's just a bunch of populist ranting.
Yep, this is what puzzles me about the whole movement.
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:11:50pm |
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:13:30pm |
now this is the time of day I set aside to call me poor old mom... bbl
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:14:10pm |
re: #110 Gus 802
I did the math. O'Donnell can't win.
Hi Lizards! LOL Gus...Scott couldn't win in Mass either..Never underestimate crazy and pissed off
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engineer cat Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:14:33pm |
re: #30 brookly red
I don't think people really comprehend the anger that is out there...
i think what the right wing misses is that there is a ton of anger out there on the left wing side about what wingnuts have been saying and what the republican party has been saying and doing
you just see much less of it on teevee since it doesn't wear as many funny hats or carry as many mispelled signs
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gehazi Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:15:24pm |
re: #115 engineer dog
i think what the right wing misses is that there is a ton of anger out there on the left wing side about what wingnuts have been saying and what the republican party has been saying and doing
you just see much less of it on teevee since it doesn't wear as many funny hats or carry as many mispelled signs
But, critically, does that left-wing anger (which is clearly real) get people to voting booths?
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Gus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:15:38pm |
re: #114 HoosierHoops
Hi Lizards! LOL Gus...Scott couldn't win in Mass either..Never underestimate crazy and pissed off
Well. There is that factor but I see it from the other side so to speak. The problem could arise if Coons pulls a Coakley. No word yet on that. So yes, Coons can drop the ball. But if he plays it smart it should be easy.
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engineer cat Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:16:14pm |
re: #106 Lidane
Except that the Tea Party wants things that can't co-exist.
They want lower taxes and less spending, but they ALSO want sealed borders, and a strong military.
They want the government to stay the hell out of their medical care, but don't you dare cut their Medicare benefits or Social Security.
They want small government, but they want to round up and deport millions of people.
The entire Tea Party platform is incoherent and unfocused, and untenable. It's never going to work, so all their anger is pointless. It's just a bunch of populist ranting.
they. are. not. rational.
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researchok Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:17:22pm |
All Coons has to do is avoid the potholes.
If he wants to prove hes' a Dale Earnhardt, he's an idiot.
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engineer cat Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:18:02pm |
re: #116 gehazi
But, critically, does that left-wing anger (which is clearly real) get people to voting booths?
good question, but on the other hand the democratic party has had the majority of the votes in four out of the last five presidential elections
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TedStriker Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:18:44pm |
re: #105 Cato the Elder
If "destroying America" involves the death of the GOP, I'm for it.
I disagree, Cato...the GOP just needs to get its shit together and drive the crazies, bigots, and xenophobes out. Viable political discourse in this country depends on more than one dominant political party in control.
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cronus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:18:55pm |
re: #114 HoosierHoops
Hi Lizards! LOL Gus...Scott couldn't win in Mass either..Never underestimate crazy and pissed off
Unless Coons plans on running one of the worst campaigns in modern history (ala Coakley) I don't think O'Donnell comes close. There's also the small issue of Scott Brown having well honed campaign messages and lacking a huge cache of crazy public rants.
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karmic_inquisitor Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:19:04pm |
re: #75 McSpiff
This Rove-Limbaugh thing could easily turn into the axis the party splits along.
i dunno.
they both claim ownership of "values voters."
this doesn't portend a real split when these two fight. the split is with whatever fiscal conservatives might still exist who havd any influence.
the signal of this election last night is that divisive values stuff is the 'red meat' that will feed the fury, much like BDS fed the left on the last cycle.
i'd welcome a split where fiscal conservatives / social liberals had place to land. right now (with the purge of the SDLC from the democrats in the last cycle) it doesn't exist.
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recusancy Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:19:13pm |
re: #42 DaddyG
We have generations of people raised to think they are the best most deserving most entitled people in the history of the world (Bommers through Millenials) who now face a reduction in their standard of living and perhaps even poverty. They were not shaped by a depression (and even refer to a bad recession as like unto that terrible period in our history) and were not shaped by sacrifice in a worldwide conflict for freedom or a national struggle for civil rights.
They also have a poor concept of civics and civil rights as a whole.
Suddenly they are being told NO for the first time in their lives.
Yeah. There's anger out there and the politics is getting more polarized and uglier.
Don't forget about the impending demographic shift. White will no longer be the majority soon.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:20:13pm |
Independents/GOP: focus. The weakened Leftist party is the pt; it allows unified effort 2 reign in Fed govt's overreach&protect Constitution
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:20:13pm |
re: #114 HoosierHoops
Hi Lizards! LOL Gus...Scott couldn't win in Mass either..Never underestimate crazy and pissed off
I agree anything could happen but Brown was and is socially moderate, Christine O'Donnell is well I don't even know the word to describe her socially views. Plus, Coakley ran an awful campaign too. And I don't think Coons is going to call Curt Schilling a Yankees fan heh.
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gehazi Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:20:46pm |
re: #121 talon_262
I disagree, Cato...the GOP just needs to get its shit together and drive the crazies, bigots, and xenophobes out. Viable political discourse in this country depends on more than one dominant political party in control.
I honestly think the party is too damaged for that to be a realistic hope anymore. Better for it to go raging into the night, and for a new center-right party to emerge.
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funky chicken Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:21:21pm |
re: #100 brookly red
oh, but don't you see a focus?
Abortion? Masturbation? Homosexuality? Desegregation?
That's the focus I see.
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recusancy Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:21:31pm |
re: #126 HappyWarrior
I agree anything could happen but Brown was and is socially moderate, Christine O'Donnell is well I don't even know the word to describe her socially views. Plus, Coakley ran an awful campaign too. And I don't think Coons is going to call Curt Schilling a Yankees fan heh.
haha... Sullivan called her "far to the right of Falwell".
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karmic_inquisitor Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:21:54pm |
re: #125 Charles
no doubt independents can't wait till the next deadbeat paleocon liar gets the nod from sarah. those independents just eat up the values stuff.
/
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:21:59pm |
re: #117 Gus 802
Well. There is that factor but I see it from the other side so to speak. The problem could arise if Coons pulls a Coakley. No word yet on that. So yes, Coons can drop the ball. But if he plays it smart it should be easy.
Also Brown won against an pretty unpopular Dem.. I understand Coons is very popular in Del.
Our Gov. Daniels is starting to show up in the MSM for a 2012 run against Obama...
He has done great as a Gov..He redid the whole way the state runs and is very popular here... We probably have more cash in the bank than any state in the Union
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:22:35pm |
re: #129 recusancy
haha... Sullivan called her "far to the right of Falwell".
Her AIDS position as Charles showed is to the right of Helms was at the end of Helms' career. Seriously, I can't wait to see what her campaign does in Rehoboth to outreach to the huge gay community that lives tehre.
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funky chicken Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:22:56pm |
re: #114 HoosierHoops
Hi Lizards! LOL Gus...Scott couldn't win in Mass either..Never underestimate crazy and pissed off
Uh, Scott Brown doesn't appear to be a lunatic, based upon the fact that the frothing right now spends a lot of time screaming RINO about him.
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gehazi Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:23:04pm |
re: #120 engineer dog
good question, but on the other hand the democratic party has had the majority of the votes in four out of the last five presidential elections
A trend I hope will continue. But a battered and depressed Democratic base is a real problem for 2010. Maybe it will have recovered by 2012, but I don't know that America can afford to just kick two years down the drain.
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Gus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:23:49pm |
re: #133 funky chicken
Uh, Scott Brown doesn't appear to be a lunatic, based upon the fact that the frothing right now spends a lot of time screaming RINO about him.
There was that too. Scott Brown was a far better candidate then Christine O'Donnell.
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recusancy Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:24:13pm |
re: #135 Gus 802
There was that too. Scott Brown was a far better candidate then Christine O'Donnell.
Does she drive a truck?
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Cato the Elder Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:24:29pm |
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:24:57pm |
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funky chicken Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:25:30pm |
re: #131 HoosierHoops
Also Brown won against an pretty unpopular Dem.. I understand Coons is very popular in Del.
Our Gov. Daniels is starting to show up in the MSM for a 2012 run against Obama...
He has done great as a Gov..He redid the whole way the state runs and is very popular here... We probably have more cash in the bank than any state in the Union
and the HotAir crowd, and (I was surprised by this) Ace of Spades hate Daniels because he called for a cease-fire on all the social conservative battling so the GOP could focus on the economy....unbelievable
I'd guess Limbaugh feels the same, so Daniels will have a hell of a hard time winning a GOP primary.
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:25:47pm |
re: #137 Cato the Elder
"Reign in"?
Illiterate grifter is illiterate.
Grifting illiterates is grifting.
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Lidane Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:26:25pm |
re: #116 gehazi
But, critically, does that left-wing anger (which is clearly real) get people to voting booths?
If it gets the more reasonable folks on the right to the polls to vote against these loonies, that's probably a bigger matter.
I would suggest that if exit polling shows a sizable amount of self-identified Republicans going and voting for the Democrats to avoid loons like O'Donnell taking power, that will show even more of a rift between the Tea Party and the more mainstream GOP. If that rift continues until 2012 and Obama wins again, I wouldn't be shocked to see an exodus from the party from people.
The Dems were abandoned in large numbers back in the 1980's by the so-called "Reagan Democrats" because the party was seen as too far out of touch with what people wanted. They've spent the last 20+ years trying to correct that, moving into a more centrist place electorally. Sure, you still have the folks that are farther to the left, but in general, the party now isn't what it was back in the 80's. Will the GOP do the same? I think if they expect to survive as a viable party, they're going to have to at some point. You can't keep catering to the finge and to the kooks and expect to win in the long-term. It's a losing strategy.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:26:40pm |
re: #125 Charles
Honestly Charles I am surprised she didn't use a tired gun cliche like she alwys does.
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jamesfirecat Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:28:49pm |
Rove: YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO ME! I CREATED YOU, I CREATED ALL OF YOU!
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funky chicken Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:29:32pm |
re: #98 Kruk
That's the Tea Party's base right there. They bring to mind spoiled children throwing a tantrum because others are finally getting a piece of the pie thye've had to themselves all along.
Eh, I disagree. The anti-abortion zealots and paleocons are kooks. I'm not sure it's "white priv" kookery.
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Varek Raith Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:29:33pm |
re: #144 jamesfirecat
Rove: YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO ME! I CREATED YOU, I CREATED ALL OF YOU!
Now he knows how Andrew Ryan felt.
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researchok Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:29:56pm |
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Kruk Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:30:44pm |
re: #124 recusancy
Don't forget about the impending demographic shift. White will no longer be the majority soon.
re: #106 Lidane
The entire Tea Party platform is incoherent and unfocused, and untenable. It's never going to work, so all their anger is pointless. It's just a bunch of populist ranting.
And that's when the proverbial is going to hit the fan. I read an interesting article in the wake of the George Sodini (the Pensylvannia gym shooter) killings about why these kind of killing sprees were done by white males far more often than by women or minorities. The theory was that the toxic mix of anger and impotence, of feeling so wrongly done by that the only way the killer could solve it was by picking up a gun and killing strangers en masse, was much less common in those groups because they learned very early on that life wasn't fair. They learned to deal. When you've belong to the privileged section of society all your life, it's much harder to deal with it. If a whole segment of the population starts steeping in such feelings, it could be very, very bad for everyone.
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:30:56pm |
You know, this used to be my party, and it used to be known as the party of ideas. Once upon a time I used to fume about the amendments that the democrats always added to republican bills to attempt to water them down and make them less effective. The Republicans were the ones to come up with ideas and proposals, the democrats were the ones fighting to maintain the status quo.
Now? Well now the democrats are the ones with ideas, and instead of simply maintaining the status quo the Republicans want to take us back to a mythical version of the 50's that never existed except on "Leave it to Beaver."
Forget about all the pressing problems we have, let's continue to argue about abortion, evolution, and the separation of church and state. Anything to distract people away from the real issues that are destroying this country, the ones that the Republicans won't even dare to offer any solutions for.
Yeah, they used to be my party, but it isn't any longer, now it is run by a bunch of low brow theocratic thugs that I want nothing whatsoever to do with anymore.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:31:15pm |
re: #30 brookly red
I don't think people really comprehend the
anger
uneducated braying insanity that is out there...
fixed, no need to thank me
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recusancy Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:31:37pm |
re: #145 funky chicken
Eh, I disagree. The anti-abortion zealots and paleocons are kooks. I'm not sure it's "white priv" kookery.
It's not "white priv", it's white self-pity.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:32:03pm |
re: #144 jamesfirecat
Rove: YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO ME! I CREATED YOU, I CREATED ALL OF YOU!
haha he's like Dr. Moreau, all his twisted lab creations are eating him
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A Man for all Seasons Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:33:02pm |
re: #140 funky chicken
and the HotAir crowd, and (I was surprised by this) Ace of Spades hate Daniels because he called for a cease-fire on all the social conservative battling so the GOP could focus on the economy...unbelievable
I'd guess Limbaugh feels the same, so Daniels will have a hell of a hard time winning a GOP primary.
I wonder what Rush feels about Mitch.. He is a great executive with great leadership abilities With a good down home problem solving..' Hey this isn't working for us..Let's fix it' He'll go on TV and just talk straight to Hoosiers about fixing the state..And he has been very successful here....Lots of cash in the bank and taxpayers very happy about how he solved our property tax issues...
There isn't a chance in Hell he'll ever be elected as President
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recusancy Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:33:08pm |
re: #148 Kruk
That's the tea party in a nut shell. Angry and impotent. lol
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deranged cat Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:33:37pm |
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engineer cat Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:34:48pm |
2 reign in Fed govt's overreach&protect Constitution
how wonderfully vague this mom-and-apple-pie goal of 'protecting the constitution' is with these baggers
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Varek Raith Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:35:00pm |
re: #155 deranged cat
"Huh?" is right.
This may help.
INDEPENDENTS/GOP: FOCUS. TEH WEAKEND LEFTIST PARTY IZ TEH PT; IT ALLOWS UNIFID EFFORT 2 REIGN IN FED GOVTS OVERREACH&PROTECT CONSTITUSHUN
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TedStriker Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:39:22pm |
re: #158 Varek Raith
This may help.
You can't ever go wrong with a LOLcat translation of shallow, vapid people...
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watching you tiny alien kittens are Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:39:31pm |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:39:32pm |
Does this change the field of presidential nominees? Mitt is out for sure. Tancredo? Palin? Maybe even Ron Paul.
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Kruk Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:42:09pm |
re: #157 engineer dog
2 reign in Fed govt's overreach&protect Constitution
how wonderfully vague this mom-and-apple-pie goal of 'protecting the constitution' is with these baggers
First Ammendment: Good (except for liberals, Muslims, and the Liberal media).
Second: Hell, yeah!
Third: There's a third?
Fourth: Good (except for Muslims, gays and women).
Fifth: Good (except for minorities)
Sixth/Seventh/Eight: As for Fifth
Ninth/Tenth: Hell, yeah!
Anything after Tenth: Not in the original intent of the Founding Fathers.
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:42:30pm |
re: #161 Killgore Trout
Does this change the field of presidential nominees? Mitt is out for sure. Tancredo? Palin? Maybe even Ron Paul.
I'm pretty sure -- been saying all along -- that Palin is going to run.
Tim Pawlenty will probably run too.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:43:48pm |
In technical terminology ... he's a loon.
-Dr. Silberman, The Terminator
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:44:09pm |
How Politics Is Like a Game of Telephone
Christine O'Donnell's website is crashing because she's on track to raise $750,000 today
She's not very responsible with money. I suspect she'll be in jail within the next year or two regardless of how her campaign goes.
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cronus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:44:25pm |
re: #161 Killgore Trout
Does this change the field of presidential nominees? Mitt is out for sure. Tancredo? Palin? Maybe even Ron Paul.
Probably depends on how many Senate seats Tea Party martyrs cost the GOP. Very real possibility that Tea Party could be responsible for not only returning Harry Reid to the Senate, but returning him as Majority Leader. If that scenario plays out, professional GOP strategists will have a stronger foothold to argue "electability" in 2012.
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Fat Bastard Vegetarian Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:44:29pm |
re: #163 Charles
And she ain't got a snowballs chance in hell.
I keep saying that. Watch me be wrong... and mad.
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Gus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:44:47pm |
Very strange woman.
Christine O'Donnell On 'Politically Incorrect': A Flashback For GOP Senate Candidate (VIDEO)
Comedian Eddie Izzard pressed her on just how far she would take her anti-lying beliefs. Izzard asked O'Donnell whether or not she would lie to Nazis who showed up at her door during WWII and demanded to know if she were hiding any Jewish people in her house. O'Donnell refused to even entertain the notion of concealing the truth from Nazis in that scenario because "you never have to practice deception":
O'DONNELL: A lie, whether it be a lie or an exaggeration, is disrespect to whoever you're exaggerating or lying to, because it's not respecting reality.
MAHER: Quite the opposite, it can be respect.
IZZARD: What if someone comes to you in the middle of the Second World War and says, 'do you have any Jewish people in your house?' and you do have them. That would be a lie. That would be disrespectful to Hitler.
O'DONNELL: I believe if I were in that situation, God would provide a way to do the right thing righteously. I believe that!
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:44:55pm |
re: #163 Charles
I'm pretty sure -- been saying all along -- that Palin is going to run.
Tim Pawlenty will probably run too.
Even if she decides not to run I could see her getting drafted as a write in.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:46:05pm |
Rush keepsasking why doesn't anyone ever attack Dem politicians.
He doesn't listen to his own show, Fox, Beck or countless other blithering idiots out there?
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Varek Raith Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:46:45pm |
re: #168 Gus 802
Very strange woman.
Christine O'Donnell On 'Politically Incorrect': A Flashback For GOP Senate Candidate (VIDEO)
Yeesh.
She must've have taken out a restraining order on reality.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:47:07pm |
Christine O'Donnell, communications director at the Intercollegiate Studies Institute, led a discussion on the depiction of women in J.R.R. Tolkien's "Lord of the Rings" trilogy. The discussion focused on Bradley Birzer's book, J.R.R. Tolkien's Sanctifying Myth, published by ISI Books
Heh.
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TedStriker Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:47:23pm |
re: #168 Gus 802
Very strange woman.
Christine O'Donnell On 'Politically Incorrect': A Flashback For GOP Senate Candidate (VIDEO)
What a fucking self-righteous dumbass O'Donnell is...
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:47:27pm |
re: #168 Gus 802
Very strange woman.
Christine O'Donnell On 'Politically Incorrect': A Flashback For GOP Senate Candidate (VIDEO)
Wow, just wow. She really is something else.
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Gus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:48:04pm |
re: #174 talon_262
What a fucking self-righteous dumbass O'Donnell is...
And that voice. Gadzooks she sounds like she's 12 years old.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:48:30pm |
re: #172 Varek Raith
Yeesh.
She must've have taken out a restraining order on reality.
Keep think Eddie needs to backhand Christine into reality.
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Four More Tears Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:49:20pm |
re: #173 Killgore Trout
You know, the circus act has distracted from finding out what this woman has done to actually make people think she would be a good Senate candidate. Anything?
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Varek Raith Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:50:03pm |
re: #177 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Keep think Eddie needs to backhand Christine into reality.
Executive Transvestite Bitch Slap.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:50:42pm |
re: #168 Gus 802
Very strange woman.
Christine O'Donnell On 'Politically Incorrect': A Flashback For GOP Senate Candidate (VIDEO)
Crikey:
O'DONNELL: I believe if I were in that situation, God would provide a way to do the right thing righteously. I believe that!
The world is simple to simple minds.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:50:57pm |
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Gus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:51:43pm |
re: #180 Cato the Elder
Crikey:
The world is simple to simple minds.
Amazing isn't it? She basically said she wouldn't lie to the Nazis and that God would find a way out for her.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:51:59pm |
It just feels as if these candidates get even crazier day by day. Next we'll hear about a candidate who thinks the Salem witch trials had good intentions but went a little foo far.
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karmic_inquisitor Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:52:24pm |
re: #163 Charles
I'm pretty sure -- been saying all along -- that Palin is going to run.
Tim Pawlenty will probably run too.
Santorum is already crawling over Iowa.
[Link: blogs.desmoinesregister.com...]
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JamesWI Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:52:39pm |
And I like the "How come he never went after Democrats like this?" line. I'm pretty sure the Dems were effectively painted as unpatriotic, whiny wusses (I'll leave it to the people here to debate the merits of those three charges) for most of the Bush administration. I believe Karl Rove at least had a little to do with that.
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Stanghazi Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:52:49pm |
re: #136 recusancy
Does she drive a truck?
On her finances? It would appear she rides the bus. Or she's grifting off her campaign donations. This they need to delve into a bit more,
In a Senate financial disclosure report from July, O'Donnell reported just $5,800 in earned income between March 2009 and July 2010.
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:53:03pm |
re: #161 Killgore Trout
Does this change the field of presidential nominees? Mitt is out for sure. Tancredo? Palin? Maybe even Ron Paul.
I didn't think McCain had a prayer of getting through - but the choice of Palin makes it a wash. A relative moderate got through - but then proceeded to pick someone so batshit she drags down the national IQ.
My fear is even if some rational GOP candidate makes it through the primaries - the veep nominee will be a tancredo type. But - a generic republican beats Obama, a named one doesn't come close yet.
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Varek Raith Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:53:05pm |
re: #182 Gus 802
Amazing isn't it? She basically said she wouldn't lie to the Nazis and that God would find a way out for her.
If God didn't intervene to stop WWII, WTF makes her think he'll help her out of a tight spot?
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Gus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:53:11pm |
re: #183 HappyWarrior
It just feels as if these candidates get even crazier day by day. Next we'll hear about a candidate who thinks the Salem witch trials had good intentions but went a little foo far.
Either that or "Salem witch trials had good intentions and didn't go far enough."
/
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mikhailtheplumber Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:53:29pm |
re: #184 karmic_inquisitor
Santorum is already
crawlingspreading over Iowa.[Link: blogs.desmoinesregister.com...]
Fixed that for ya.
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karmic_inquisitor Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:53:32pm |
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Gus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:53:39pm |
re: #188 Varek Raith
If God didn't intervene to stop WWII, WTF makes her think he'll help her out of a tight spot?
Sky hook.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:55:37pm |
re: #189 Gus 802
Either that or "Salem witch trials had good intentions and didn't go far enough."
/
Well I had to use the Margie Schott Nazi line about how they started out okay but went a little too far. She was the nutcase Cincinatti Reds owner who proudly displayed a Nazi armband and reffered to her black players as million dollars nwords
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Ojoe Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:57:34pm |
re: #163 Charles
Of course she will run. The GOP nomination is hers if she wants it. As for the election, who knows?
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webevintage Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:58:17pm |
re: #185 JamesWI
And I like the "How come he never went after Democrats like this?" line. I'm pretty sure the Dems were effectively painted as unpatriotic, whiny wusses (I'll leave it to the people here to debate the merits of those three charges) for most of the Bush administration. I believe Karl Rove at least had a little to do with that.
That proves how clueless she is.
If she has no idea what Karl Rove has been doing for the last 10 years and she ran for office then she is an idiot.
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:58:59pm |
re: #193 HappyWarrior
Well I had to use the Margie Schott Nazi line about how they started out okay but went a little too far. She was the nutcase Cincinatti Reds owner who proudly displayed a Nazi armband and reffered to her black players as million dollars nwords
They use to call that "being from a different time and place." Now it's "people are angry."
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JamesWI Wed, Sep 15, 2010 3:59:54pm |
re: #195 webevintage
That proves how clueless she is.
If she has no idea what Karl Rove has been doing for the last 10 years and she ran for office then she is an idiot.
Well, I was referring to Rush's whining about Rove not going after Democrats. Not sure if O'Donnell has said anything about Rove?
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Charles Johnson Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:00:16pm |
re: #184 karmic_inquisitor
Santorum is already crawling over Iowa.
[Link: blogs.desmoinesregister.com...]
Rick "Creamy" Santorum is every bit as much of a throwback as Christine O'Donnell - a creationist, obsessed with other people's sexual behavior. He might be a little smarter, but that only means he's more dangerous.
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palomino Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:00:47pm |
The irony in all this is that there's hardly any space ideologically between very conservative Republicans (like Rove) on one hand and tea partiers on the other.
Both groups generally love Rush, Beck, Palin and the other leaders of the gop.
I really don't get what the ruckus is all about.
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webevintage Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:00:56pm |
re: #197 JamesWI
Well, I was referring to Rush's whining about Rove not going after Democrats. Not sure if O'Donnell has said anything about Rove?
ugh.
my bad.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:01:41pm |
re: #185 JamesWI
And I like the "How come he never went after Democrats like this?" line. I'm pretty sure the Dems were effectively painted as unpatriotic, whiny wusses (I'll leave it to the people here to debate the merits of those three charges) for most of the Bush administration. I believe Karl Rove at least had a little to do with that.
Rush better be careful or else he'll expload since he's so full of shit.
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:01:51pm |
re: #188 Varek Raith
If God didn't intervene to stop WWII, WTF makes her think he'll help her out of a tight spot?
Have you seen her, she's way cuter than World War II, like a little grown up Huckleberry Pie doll. How could God resist?
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Kragar Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:02:02pm |
re: #199 palomino
The irony in all this is that there's hardly any space ideologically between very conservative Republicans (like Rove) on one hand and tea partiers on the other.
Both groups generally love Rush, Beck, Palin and the other leaders of the gop.
I really don't get what the ruckus is all about.
The TPers let the mask slip.
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karmic_inquisitor Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:02:29pm |
Oh - and Bachmann keeps showing up in Iowa as does Thune.
Another that is often called "libertarian leaning" is former New Mexico Governor Gary Johnson.
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:03:59pm |
re: #186 Stanley Sea
On her finances? It would appear she rides the bus. Or she's grifting off her campaign donations. This they need to delve into a bit more,
[Link: abcnews.go.com...]
Just another grifter grifting off the anger.
[Link: washingtonindependent.com...]
“This is her third Senate race in five years. As O’Donnell’s manager, I found out she was living on campaign donations — using them for rent and personal expenses, while leaving her workers unpaid and piling up thousands in debt,” Murray said. “She wasn’t concerned about conservative causes. O’Donnell just wanted to make a buck.
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palomino Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:04:58pm |
re: #203 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
The TPers let the mask slip.
Indeed.
Seriously, though, what difference is there in ideological terms between conservative Republicans and tea partiers?
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:05:01pm |
re: #205 Jeff In Ohio
Just another grifter grifting off the anger.
[Link: washingtonindependent.com...]
So she's scum as well as a nutcase. Lovely.
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karmic_inquisitor Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:06:44pm |
re: #198 Charles
Rick "Creamy" Santorum is every bit as much of a throwback as Christine O'Donnell - a creationist, obsessed with other people's sexual behavior. He might be a little smarter, but that only means he's more dangerous.
So did you look at that speech the other night where he castigated JFK for kicking religion out of the public square? I keep obsessing over that speech, but Santorum has lots of early money and that speech was "tested" so that he can refer to it in when stumping in Iowa.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:07:02pm |
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:07:20pm |
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Kragar Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:07:26pm |
re: #206 palomino
Indeed.
Seriously, though, what difference is there in ideological terms between conservative Republicans and tea partiers?
Tpers believe concepts like negotitation, diplomacy and consensus are outdated concepts of governance.
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Surabaya Stew Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:08:04pm |
re: #184 karmic_inquisitor
Santorum is already crawling over Iowa.
Listen dude, just because Same-Sex Marriage is now legal in Iowa doesn't mean that Gay men can't clean up after themselves!
///
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karmic_inquisitor Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:08:37pm |
re: #212 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Tpers believe concepts like negotitation, diplomacy and consensus are outdated concepts of governance.
So do Social Conservatives.
God will always find a way.
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Gus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:09:27pm |
re: #205 Jeff In Ohio
Just another grifter grifting off the anger.
[Link: washingtonindependent.com...]
To think that people think she would be a good Senator to stop the spending in congress. She can't even manage her own finances and she's a mooch. In many ways she's already a low budget Charlie Rangel.
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:10:31pm |
re: #206 palomino
Indeed.
Seriously, though, what difference is there in ideological terms between conservative Republicans and tea partiers?
I'm pretty sure most fiscally conservative republicans have a set of core beliefs that inform their perception of how government should work and how it should relate to the individual.
Socially conservative republicans have a set of core beliefs that inform their perception of how government can be used to control individuals.
TP's are angry.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:11:25pm |
re: #72 brookly red
go ahead and call them stupid... what did Kerry say? "I can't believe I am losing to this asshole... "
I couldn't believe it either.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:11:52pm |
re: #75 McSpiff
This Rove-Limbaugh thing could easily turn into the axis the party splits along.
To think a day would come when I was in Karl Rove's camp.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:12:30pm |
re: #218 SanFranciscoZionist
To think a day would come when I was in Karl Rove's camp.
Heh as I quoted Cat Stevens last night, baby it's a wild world.
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:12:38pm |
re: #218 SanFranciscoZionist
To think a day would come when I was in Karl Rove's camp.
He's still not invited to the orgy room.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:12:47pm |
re: #81 brookly red
exactly it is no different at all... expect the same results.
Minority party gains? That's exactly what everyone is expecting. How is the anger underestimated?
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:13:20pm |
re: #218 SanFranciscoZionist
oh no need to be in his camp. Hell I am enjoying watching him be taken out lord of the flies style. He's the one who worked to create this beast, has nurtured it, fed it etc. Now it can eat him.
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karmic_inquisitor Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:13:43pm |
Hmmmm ...
Gary Johnson on immigration
[Link: reason.com...]
"When I was governor, I asked for a cost-benefits analysis. Are we paying out more than we're getting in, given the fact that (immigrants) do pay taxes — income tax, Social Security, Medicare. Immigrants who have used false documents to get work don't collect tax refunds, Johnson said. His administration determined that the state got more tax revenue from illegal immigrants than the state was paying out in benefits.
Johnson said he doesn't like the harsh tone he's heard in the immigration debate. "At an event the other night and some guy says, 'What we need are A-10s flying low across the border ... guns blazing.'" Johnson said. "I said, 'Really? You want to kill the immigrants? ... We are on different pages here. We really have a serious disagreement about this.'
[ catch my breath here ]
[ big inhale ]
RINO!
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Ojoe Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:13:53pm |
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Four More Tears Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:13:57pm |
re: #222 Dreggas
oh no need to be in his camp. Hell I am enjoying watching him be taken out lord of the flies style. He's the one who worked to create this beast, has nurtured it, fed it etc. Now it can eat him.
I said this last thread, only with numerous F-bombs.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:14:05pm |
re: #86 brookly red
nor is Rove... really what do you care? you dislike them both.
Rove isn't my cup of tea, but he deserves better than to be accused of selling out by a pack of entertainers and their mad groupies.
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HappyWarrior Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:15:19pm |
re: #223 karmic_inquisitor
Hmmm ...
Gary Johnson on immigration
[Link: reason.com...]
[ catch my breath here ]
[ big inhale ]
RINO!
I'm glad he's on the rational side of the debate which means he's got no chance to win the nomination or he'll have to refudidate all his past statements and actions.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:15:38pm |
re: #100 brookly red
oh, but don't you see a focus?
Not really. They want safety and freedom. They want government services and no taxes. They hate Obama and Karl Rove. They're not only unfocused, they're positively bipolar.
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Gus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:17:19pm |
re: #228 SanFranciscoZionist
Not really. They want safety and freedom. They want government services and no taxes. They hate Obama and Karl Rove. They're not only unfocused, they're positively bipolar.
Privatize Social Security! Now where in hell is my Social Security check...
/
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karmic_inquisitor Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:17:21pm |
Charles - we need an LGF betting pool.
First bet - who among the prospective GOP presidential candidates will be the first target of Mark Levin's hate parade?
From what I just read I can hear Levin "Gary Johnson is a commie!"
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:17:33pm |
re: #137 Cato the Elder
"Reign in"?
Illiterate grifter is illiterate.
Whatchu talkin' 'bout? Sarah reigns in awesome, soundbitey splendor over her followers.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:18:01pm |
re: #144 jamesfirecat
Rove: YOU CAN'T DO THIS TO ME! I CREATED YOU, I CREATED ALL OF YOU!
Well he did. They should listen to Daddy. He may be mean as hell, but he's smart.
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Surabaya Stew Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:18:04pm |
re: #226 SanFranciscoZionist
Rove isn't my cup of tea, but he deserves better than to be accused of selling out by a pack of entertainers and their mad groupies.
I disagree; Karma's a bitch and Rove had it coming to him big time!
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Ojoe Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:18:12pm |
re: #222 Dreggas
oh no need to be in his camp. Hell I am enjoying watching him be taken out lord of the flies style. He's the one who worked to create this beast, has nurtured it, fed it etc. Now it can eat him.
1,000 dings.
The death of civility in this country is an enormous problem.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:19:45pm |
re: #162 Kruk
First Ammendment: Good (except for liberals, Muslims, and the Liberal media).
Second: Hell, yeah!
Third: There's a third?
Fourth: Good (except for Muslims, gays and women).
Fifth: Good (except for minorities)
Sixth/Seventh/Eight: As for Fifth
Ninth/Tenth: Hell, yeah!
Anything after Tenth: Not in the original intent of the Founding Fathers.
I am a Third Amendment Purist. We call ourselves 'Thirders'.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:19:57pm |
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:20:39pm |
re: #236 Cato the Elder
ROFL
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:21:05pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:22:48pm |
re: #238 wozzablog
*&%£ you.
;-)
I can't decide if that pound sign means you're an evil European type, or heroically resisting the Euro.
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Surabaya Stew Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:23:15pm |
re: #234 Ojoe
1,000 dings.
The death of civility in this country is an enormous problem.
Were civility ever alive in the first place, it would be missed. Fact is, the USA has long had a problem with uncivil politicians and citizens who egg them on.
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elizajane Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:24:03pm |
re: #215 Gus 802
To think that people think she would be a good Senator to stop the spending in congress. She can't even manage her own finances and she's a mooch. In many ways she's already a low budget Charlie Rangel.
While I hate all the rich people buying their way into politics (Meg and Carley, locally) there's also something scary about a person in all kinds of debt, who has failed in every endeavor in life, who lives in the back room of her campaign headquarters, who sold her house (before it could go into foreclosure) to pay for a campaign. I know she's squeaky clean and wouldn't even lie to the SS (//), but can we really pretend that she isn't up for lobbyist bids?
I presume all those e-mails from Sarah Palin are financial advice. Clearly she's already gotten the message on the glasses.
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Lidane Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:24:43pm |
re: #225 JasonA
I said this last thread, only with numerous F-bombs.
There's nothing wrong with numerous F-bombs being aimed at Rove. He helped nurture all this garbage. Let it bite him in the ass, IMO.
I love seeing Limbaugh and the rest of the loons go after Rove. It's hilarious. I hope they keep going after each other, too. Anything to bring all this lunacy in the GOP to a head as fast as possible is okay in my book. Maybe then, more sane voices will emerge.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:25:55pm |
Civility would be a lot more prevalent if public duelling over points of honor were legalized.
/
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:27:00pm |
re: #233 Surabaya Stew
I disagree; Karma's a bitch and Rove had it coming to him big time!
Not really. Rove is a political strategist and a very good one. His greatest feat was becoming such a boogey man to his enemies that they saw him under every rock and behind every bush (no pun intended). I'm not a personal fan of his but I do respect his abilities. He understands crazy because he spent years making lefties jump at every hint of his presence, real or imagined. He knows the damage that can be done by exploiting the paranoia of political opponents. Republicans would very very wise to heed his advice.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:27:33pm |
re: #239 SanFranciscoZionist
I can't decide if that pound sign means you're an evil European type, or heroically resisting the Euro.
i'm the generic English hollywood bad guy.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:29:23pm |
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:29:33pm |
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:30:22pm |
re: #247 brookly red
OK I am back... any blood shed?
It seems a member of the class of '04 shows up every few hours to flounce but nothing really interesting.
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Surabaya Stew Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:30:53pm |
re: #245 Killgore Trout
Not really. Rove is a political strategist and a very good one. His greatest feat was becoming such a boogey man to his enemies that they saw him under every rock and behind every bush (no pun intended). I'm not a personal fan of his but I do respect his abilities. He understands crazy because he spent years making lefties jump at every hint of his presence, real or imagined. He knows the damage that can be done by exploiting the paranoia of political opponents. Republicans would very very wise to heed his advice.
Indeed the GOP would be 'wise' to take Rove's advice now, but frankly there's something satisifying about seeing Turdblossom being turned upon by the beast he helped to create. Somehow, I doubt I lack for company in this feeling around here.... ;-0
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Cato the Elder Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:31:03pm |
I believe a politician who claims never to lie as much as I believe people who say they never piss in the shower.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:31:23pm |
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:32:08pm |
re: #250 Killgore Trout
It seems a member of the class of '04 shows up every few hours to flounce but nothing really interesting.
well really how many are there ?
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Bubblehead II Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:32:12pm |
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:33:30pm |
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deranged cat Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:33:53pm |
re: #227 HappyWarrior
I'm glad he's on the rational side of the debate which means he's got no chance to win the nomination or he'll have to refudidate all his past statements and actions.
cirsumvrite...circumvrent...circumvite...
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:34:02pm |
re: #245 Killgore Trout
Rove knows crazy because he helped create the crazy during the bush years. This is his creation come to maturity.
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wrenchwench Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:34:48pm |
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:35:23pm |
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:36:03pm |
re: #258 Dreggas
Rove knows crazy because he helped create the crazy during the bush years. This is his creation come to maturity.
these folks already threw Bush under the bus by refudiating the Obama policies that are nothing but Bush hangovers,
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:36:44pm |
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:37:43pm |
re: #261 wozzablog
these folks already threw Bush under the bus by refudiating the Obama policies that are nothing but Bush hangovers,
I have no idea what that means...
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:37:47pm |
re: #261 wozzablog
these folks already threw Bush under the bus by refudiating the Obama policies that are nothing but Bush holdovers
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prairiefire Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:38:56pm |
re: #246 wozzablog
i'm the generic English hollywood bad guy.
I've got Michael Cain's early "Get Carter" on my DVR list to watch. I'm looking forward to Cockney gangsters.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:39:54pm |
re: #251 Surabaya Stew
Indeed the GOP would be 'wise' to take Rove's advice now, but frankly there's something satisifying about seeing Turdblossom being turned upon by the beast he helped to create. Somehow, I doubt I lack for company in this feeling around here... ;-0
How do you see the current situation as a Rove creation? I think it's more of a result of his absence. Realistic and practical leaders are desperately needed on the right but nobody's willing to step up.
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karmic_inquisitor Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:40:07pm |
Just looked at Gary Johnson's website.
A false positive as a libertarian. Claims to be pro-choice / pro-life but his position is unworkable (it is actually designed to get a pro choice candidate off the hook with the SoCons, but it won't work). Also opposes gay marriage even if a state allows it (which undermines his whole claim to federalism).
That and he has a Lew Rockwell link, so it is kooks in the closet.
JARP.
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tnguitarist Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:40:18pm |
re: #234 Ojoe
1,000 dings.
The death of civility in this country is an enormous problem.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:41:21pm |
G.O.P. Uses Obama ‘Otherness’ as Campaign Tactic
What’s important for Republicans, though, isn’t necessarily the viability of this assault with a broad swath of the electorate, but rather that it seems to resonate with Republican constituencies who haven’t always been able to find common cause and whose turnout in November could be crucial.
Going back to the 1960s, the modern conservative movement has been an amalgam of three distinct factions: the champions of free enterprise, the foreign policy types often described as neoconservatives, and the social conservatives who became the spine of the party’s grass-roots campaign apparatus.
It was a fear of communism that nicely unified all of these groups in the cold war years. The Soviet Union and its satellites were Marxist in their economic outlook, expansionist in their foreign policy and defiantly godless in their culture. Stan Lee could not have dreamed up a more perfect nemesis around which Republicans could coalesce.
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prairiefire Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:42:02pm |
re: #266 Killgore Trout
How do you see the current situation as a Rove creation? I think it's more of a result of his absence. Realistic and practical leaders are desperately needed on the right but nobody's willing to step up.
But is Rove practical? His plan for getting votes through Medicare part D did not work out very well. He did "ride the horse" of the War on Terror through the 2003 mid-terms, but all of the R gains were eroded by 2006.
I don't know how substantial he actually is.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:42:08pm |
re: #263 brookly red
I have no idea what that means...
The tea baggers hate Obama for doing what Bush did. Simples. Rove is now just following Bush under the bus.
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Bubblehead II Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:42:13pm |
re: #256 brookly red
Ack! buns with noses? I will pass...
Well how about Mr Broose. if it is blood shed you are interested in.
Fair warning, this clip is sick and twisted.
Ran across it while searching for monsters eating their creator.
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Gus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:42:58pm |
Let's not forget another thing. The new GOP/Tea Party mash-up is really celebrating the defeat of one of their own. Their as in the pre-Tea Party GOP and of course the defeat of Mike Castle. The message to future GOP candidate is "be exactly like this or else." They may win but if they cross the line against the newly formed party homogeneity they should expect no support from colleagues that are adherents or possibly from the newer party establishment. This is exactly what happened to Robert F. Bennett of Utah and will continue beyond November and into 2012.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:43:37pm |
re: #266 Killgore Trout
How do you see the current situation as a Rove creation? I think it's more of a result of his absence. Realistic and practical leaders are desperately needed on the right but nobody's willing to step up.
"Southern strategy" - borderline race card, "values voters" - theocratic nuts...... it's all there my friend.
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:44:04pm |
re: #271 wozzablog
The tea baggers hate Obama for doing what Bush did. Simples. Rove is now just following Bush under the bus.
well that kinda makes sense... sick and tired of the same old bullshit... I can see why the movement is so popular.
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Cato the Elder Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:45:50pm |
Tonight at 11:
Christine's college "friend" says they had hot lesbo sex in an orgy room!
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tnguitarist Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:46:52pm |
re: #276 Cato the Elder
Tonight at 11:
Christine's college "friend" says they had hot lesbo sex in an orgy room!
Would her secondary virginity still be intact?
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:47:04pm |
re: #275 brookly red
well that kinda makes sense... sick and tired of the same old bullshit... I can see why the movement is so popular.
thing is - these people - these saints of non-partisanship.......had no idea how angry they were about the size of government until a Democrat got in. Funny that.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:47:09pm |
re: #276 Cato the Elder
Tonight at 11:
Christine's college "friend" says they had hot lesbo sex in an orgy room!
Not that there is anything wrong with that...
Oh wait.
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lostlakehiker Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:47:22pm |
re: #18 Jetpilot1101
Election day is going to be one weird day. I've been saying from the beginning that I don't think the dems lose control of either side of Congress in spite of what the polls have been saying. In light of the recent zany winners in GOP primaries, I think I'm going to be correct in my prediction.
It's gonna be close, but I expect you're right. The democrats have been doing their level best to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, but the republicans are simply better at it.
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Killgore Trout Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:47:25pm |
re: #274 wozzablog
"Southern strategy" - borderline race card, "values voters" - theocratic nuts... it's all there my friend.
Republicans were making substantial gains with minority voters during the Bush years. Hispanics and even Muslims were vote Republican in larger numbers. I think the increase was about 15% or so.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:47:30pm |
re: #277 tnguitarist
Would her secondary virginity still be intact?
I still say thats a code for anal.
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Gus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:47:48pm |
The litmus test got longer and stronger with little to or room for diversity of opinion in the new GOP. The big tent just got smaller if there ever was one. From now on all GOP candidates must adhere to a strictly monitored script and vote in unison with no one casting a vote with the Democrats.
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:49:01pm |
re: #272 Bubblehead II
Well how about Mr Broose. if it is blood shed you are interested in.
Fair warning, this clip is sick and twisted.
Ran across it while searching for monsters eating their creator.
ehh, another day in the big city...
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Gus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:49:09pm |
re: #282 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
I still say thats a code for anal.
Nah. That's when you lose your virginity to the steam powered vibrator and dildo.
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engineer cat Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:49:58pm |
re: #278 wozzablog
thing is - these people - these saints of non-partisanship...had no idea how angry they were about the size of government until a Democrat got in. Funny that.
in the 90s, i used to see a lot of bumperstickers reading "i love my country but i fear my government"
a good american sentiment, i think
curiously, they disappeared when bush got in...
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:50:18pm |
re: #281 Killgore Trout
Republicans were making substantial gains with minority voters during the Bush years. Hispanics and even Muslims were vote Republican in larger numbers. I think the increase was about 15% or so.
The hispanic votes in the first term were a personal vite for Bush who had seemed to be OK in TX.
The minority votes fell off a cliff when the Rovian strategy to win the 2004 election involved playing to the base on immigration.
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:50:32pm |
re: #283 Gus 802
The litmus test got longer and stronger with little to or room for diversity of opinion in the new GOP. The big tent just got smaller if there ever was one. From now on all GOP candidates must adhere to a strictly monitored script and vote in unison with no one casting a vote with the Democrats.
I think that is why they call the minority the opposition party, no?
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:50:43pm |
re: #286 engineer dog
in the 90s, i used to see a lot of bumperstickers reading "i love my country but i fear my government"
a good american sentiment, i think
curiously, they disappeared when bush got in...
Funny that.
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:50:46pm |
re: #254 brookly red
well really how many are there ?
We may never find out. I still wonder how they all knew to register SO MANY accounts.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:50:51pm |
re: #285 Gus 802
Nah. That's when you lose your virginity to the steam powered vibrator and dildo.
A self churning santorum device?
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Amory Blaine Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:51:02pm |
Drooling ditto heads, who will they blame when they are back in power?
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engineer cat Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:51:19pm |
re: #285 Gus 802
Nah. That's when you lose your virginity to the steam powered vibrator and dildo.
are there victorian styled steampunk sex toys now?
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Gus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:52:00pm |
The casualties:
Robert Bennett
Mike Castle
Charlie Crist
Arlen Specter
Mike Bloomberg
Dede Scozzafava
There are many more.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:52:11pm |
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karmic_inquisitor Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:52:32pm |
re: #274 wozzablog
re: #270 prairiefire
I think the implication of Killgore's question is accurate. Rove was a map reading / candidate positioning guy. Rove was not particularly wed to too many policies. For instance, shortly after GWB was elected the US started screwing with steel tariffs. Why would a "free trade" guy do that? Because Pennsylvania was in play at the time.
Rove looked at turning precicts on an issue by issue basis.
Now I agree that he is reaping what he has sewn in part, but the "Southern Strategy" has more-or-less existed since Nixon.
frankly, the whores who sacrifice ideology for votes help make a healthier system. At least that way some practical things get done rather than ideological purity being implemented a la the Cultural Revolution.
I won't put words into Killgore's mouth, but that is the benefit i see from having rational partisans as long as they are whores.
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:52:45pm |
re: #290 SanFranciscoZionist
We may never find out. I still wonder how they all knew to register SO MANY accounts.
hmmm, well maybe we should listen more to those with vision :)
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Kragar Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:53:23pm |
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goddamnedfrank Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:53:30pm |
re: #277 tnguitarist
Would her secondary virginity still be intact?
Nope, that one was taken by My Little Pony, bent her over an Easy Bake Oven, while Rainbow Bright watched.
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Gus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:53:33pm |
re: #288 brookly red
I think that is why they call the minority the opposition party, no?
Not that I heard of. The opposition is usually the other party regardless of majority or minority status.
So you have Democrats, Republicans...
and Ron Paul.
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:54:38pm |
re: #294 Gus 802
The casualties:
Robert Bennett
Mike Castle
Charlie Crist
Arlen Specter
Mike Bloomberg
Dede ScozzafavaThere are many more.
I can say for the rest but Bloomberg is not a casualty... he is alive and well & fucking up our lives. Pass the salt please.
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Bubblehead II Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:54:55pm |
re: #293 engineer dog
are there victorian styled steampunk sex toys now?
Hey, we are in the 21st century now.
[Link: www.f***ingmachines.com...]
Defiantly NSFW. Nor will I directly link to it. But if you look, you can generally find it.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:55:11pm |
re: #288 brookly red
I think that is why they call the minority the opposition party, no?
The Opposition party only generally gets to govern when they show a plan or an abillity.
The GOP have neither a plan nor the abillity to Goevern. This will be painfully obvious in '12.
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engineer cat Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:55:36pm |
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:56:21pm |
re: #299 goddamnedfrank
Nope, that one was taken by My Little Pony, bent her over an Easy Bake Oven, while Rainbow Bright watched.
your ankle bracelet is beeping...
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:57:26pm |
re: #304 wozzablog
The Opposition party only generally gets to govern when they show a plan or an abillity.
The GOP have neither a plan nor the abillity to Goevern. This will be painfully obvious in '12.
hence the tea party...
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Lidane Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:58:21pm |
re: #286 engineer dog
in the 90s, i used to see a lot of bumperstickers reading "i love my country but i fear my government"
a good american sentiment, i think
curiously, they disappeared when bush got in...
No they didn't. They were just co-opted by the truthers. Alex Jones has been selling mugs and bumper stickers that say some variant of that for years.
| 309 |
karmic_inquisitor Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:58:22pm |
re: #294 Gus 802
The casualties:
Robert Bennett
Mike Castle
Charlie Crist
Arlen Specter
Mike Bloomberg
Dede ScozzafavaThere are many more.
Specter lost to a Dem. Not the TP. And he was such a slippery guy that neither party misses him. The Dems never (justifiably) trusted him.
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Gus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:58:37pm |
re: #302 brookly red
I can say for the rest but Bloomberg is not a casualty... he is alive and well & fucking up our lives. Pass the salt please.
Meh. NYC has been overpriced long before Bloomberg became mayor.
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:59:40pm |
re: #310 Gus 802
Meh. NYC has been overpriced long before Bloomberg became mayor.
well wait till he comes for your french fries mister...
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Gus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 4:59:58pm |
re: #309 karmic_inquisitor
Specter lost to a Dem. Not the TP. And he was such a slippery guy that neither party misses him. The Dems never (justifiably) trusted him.
Well, we can quibble about the particulars but you do see my point right?
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:00:06pm |
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karmic_inquisitor Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:01:06pm |
I hope Castle runs as an indy.
The Senate needs about 6 indies. Enough to f up any ideological excess. No party could get to 60 with 6 indies, and they could be free agents during leadership elections and demand (and get) rule changes.
He really should run. He'd win.
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Gus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:01:40pm |
OK Damn it. I have to say something. Google fucked up their site. That stupid instant search. The image search that sometimes doesn't completely load. And so on. What the heck is wrong with those idiots?
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TedStriker Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:03:04pm |
re: #283 Gus 802
The litmus test got longer and stronger with little to or room for diversity of opinion in the new GOP. The big tent just got smaller if there ever was one. From now on all GOP candidates must adhere to a strictly monitored script and vote in unison with no one casting a vote with the Democrats.
Or risk being labeled and RINO and shunned...
| 318 |
Gus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:03:11pm |
Who the heck need Google instant? Just type the damn words in and click search.
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karmic_inquisitor Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:03:47pm |
re: #312 Gus 802
Well, we can quibble about the particulars but you do see my point right?
Certainly.
But let me caveat - both parties are getting more ideological. Ned Lamont did his thing with Lieberman.
If the parties continue on their zealous paths then a block of indies could get a great deal of power.
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:04:04pm |
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wrenchwench Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:04:22pm |
re: #316 Gus 802
OK Damn it. I have to say something. Google fucked up their site. That stupid instant search. The image search that sometimes doesn't completely load. And so on. What the heck is wrong with those idiots?
Oh, man. If you say Google fucked up their site...that's bad. For all of us. OK, me anyway. You save me a lot of time.
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Kragar Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:04:33pm |
re: #316 Gus 802
OK Damn it. I have to say something. Google fucked up their site. That stupid instant search. The image search that sometimes doesn't completely load. And so on. What the heck is wrong with those idiots?
Turn it off then.
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Gus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:05:05pm |
re: #317 talon_262
Or risk being labeled and RINO and shunned...
Yep. So say "Constitution" a lot. Mention God frequently. Then talk about abortion all the time and most importantly say "tax cuts" often. Lastly, babble it up about the spending and deficit.
| 324 |
Gus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:05:46pm |
re: #321 wrenchwench
Oh, man. If you say Google fucked up their site...that's bad. For all of us. OK, me anyway. You save me a lot of time.
It works but I think it was better without the bells and whistles for the gadget generation.
| 325 |
brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:06:23pm |
re: #322 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Turn it off then.
You can't turn off Google... Muhahahahah! it's way too late!
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Gus Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:07:58pm |
re: #322 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Turn it off then.
It should be off by default instead of on by default. That means every time I clear my cache I have to turn it off. It's annoying. Wouldn't be a big deal really but they've been changing things almost every other week.
| 327 |
brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:08:08pm |
re: #319 karmic_inquisitor
Certainly.
But let me caveat - both parties are getting more ideological. Ned Lamont did his thing with Lieberman.
If the parties continue on their zealous paths then a block of indies could get a great deal of power.
Hush... someone could hear you.
| 328 |
Kragar Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:08:11pm |
re: #325 brookly red
You can't turn off Google... Muhahahahah! it's way too late!
You can turn off the instant search.
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prairiefire Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:08:29pm |
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:09:09pm |
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:09:12pm |
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Kragar Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:10:03pm |
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SanFranciscoZionist Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:10:20pm |
re: #329 prairiefire
But can the Tea Party govern?
America is ungovernable. He who serves a revolution plows the sea.
//The quote doesn't really have anything at all to do with the topic at hand, but I like quoting Bolivar now and then.
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Wozza Matter? Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:12:26pm |
re: #332 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
I still use Aldis Lamps for all my important messages.
from 1.07
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brookly red Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:13:42pm |
re: #329 prairiefire
But can the Tea Party govern?
We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgment of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the song
uh yes well maybe...
| 337 |
karmic_inquisitor Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:20:59pm |
Here is an output from an ongoing empirical study out of the UCSD Super Computer Center. It tracks voting behavior of all US elected officails for the last 217 years, models it and makes predictions.
Based on voting behavior, the 110th congress continued a steep trend of partisanship. For that to happen, both parties have to participate.
[Link: voteview.com...]
This basically disproves the contention of the Tea Party that the GOP has members that are voting with the Democrats. When they are combined and ranked there are no "cross over" members from either party to the other. Mike Castle, Olympia Snow, et al show up as clear "republicans".
It also shows that Republicans have never been more conservative than they are now.
but hell - what are computers good for?
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:38:23pm |
re: #299 goddamnedfrank
Nope, that one was taken by My Little Pony, bent her over an Easy Bake Oven, while Rainbow Bright watched.
Brite is spelled with an e
:D
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kilowattradio Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:45:59pm |
Jst bcs prsn s cnsrvtv cthlc nd s sxlly mdst ds nt mk hr nts. Chrls Jhnsn y hv vlvd nt rd nm cllng blggr.
Hr rlgs blf bt Gd crtng th nvrs r hr prsnl pnn nd sh s nttld t t.
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Jeff In Ohio Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:50:37pm |
re: #339 kilowattradio
I think it's the whole the earth is only 6000 years old, condoms don't prevent aids and masturbation is evil coupled with her braying about fiscal conservatism while demonstrating a complete inability to manage her own finances that make her "nuts." Personally I would have gone with fucking Neanderthal hypocrite, but I don't think it's fair to Neanderthals.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:50:47pm |
re: #339 kilowattradio
No this makes her nuts
Comedian Eddie Izzard pressed her on just how far she would take her anti-lying beliefs. Izzard asked O'Donnell whether or not she would lie to Nazis who showed up at her door during WWII and demanded to know if she were hiding any Jewish people in her house. O'Donnell refused to even entertain the notion of concealing the truth from Nazis in that scenario because "you never have to practice deception":
O'DONNELL: A lie, whether it be a lie or an exaggeration, is disrespect to whoever you're exaggerating or lying to, because it's not respecting reality.
MAHER: Quite the opposite, it can be respect.IZZARD: What if someone comes to you in the middle of the Second World War and says, 'do you have any Jewish people in your house?' and you do have them. That would be a lie. That would be disrespectful to Hitler.
O'DONNELL: I believe if I were in that situation, God would provide a way to do the right thing righteously. I believe that!
MAHER: God is not there. Hitler's there and you're there.O'DONNELL: You never have to practice deception. God always provides a way out.
Woman is crazier than a shithouse rat
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Wed, Sep 15, 2010 5:51:03pm |
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ClaudeMonet Wed, Sep 15, 2010 9:38:14pm |
re: #72 brookly red
go ahead and call them stupid... what did Kerry say? "I can't believe I am losing to this asshole... "
Is that the same John Forbes Kerry who got worse grades than GWB while at Yale?
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ClaudeMonet Wed, Sep 15, 2010 9:47:19pm |
re: #125 Charles
I'm a fairly intelligent guy. I've translated many a message, memo, report, etc., written by non-natives into usable business English. I've translated many dialects of English for the benefit of those who are not familiar with the speaker's into their own dialect. I've made sense of Irish and Scottish dialects.
But I have no fekking idea what The Palin just tweeted.
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ClaudeMonet Wed, Sep 15, 2010 9:53:10pm |
re: #142 Lidane
If it gets the more reasonable folks on the right to the polls to vote against these loonies, that's probably a bigger matter.
I would suggest that if exit polling shows a sizable amount of self-identified Republicans going and voting for the Democrats to avoid loons like O'Donnell taking power, that will show even more of a rift between the Tea Party and the more mainstream GOP. If that rift continues until 2012 and Obama wins again, I wouldn't be shocked to see an exodus from the party from people.
The Dems were abandoned in large numbers back in the 1980's by the so-called "Reagan Democrats" because the party was seen as too far out of touch with what people wanted. They've spent the last 20+ years trying to correct that, moving into a more centrist place electorally. Sure, you still have the folks that are farther to the left, but in general, the party now isn't what it was back in the 80's. Will the GOP do the same? I think if they expect to survive as a viable party, they're going to have to at some point. You can't keep catering to the finge and to the kooks and expect to win in the long-term. It's a losing strategy.
Brilliant last paragraph.
Both parties have shifted a lot in their respective existences. They had to do it in order to survive. Many of the stances of each major party are unrecognizable as compared to what they once believed. Just as the Republicans had to change after 1964 and the Democrats after the 1980s, the Republicans need to change now. The problem is that they're going in exactly the wrong direction. They should be focusing on economic and foreign policy issues, instead they're going wacko about social issues; and while those issues are often important to many voters, when the economy is in the shitter, the typical voter says, "Hey, let's deal with that later".
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ClaudeMonet Wed, Sep 15, 2010 10:07:09pm |
re: #193 HappyWarrior
Well I had to use the Margie Schott Nazi line about how they started out okay but went a little too far. She was the nutcase Cincinatti Reds owner who proudly displayed a Nazi armband and reffered to her black players as million dollars nwords
That's exactly what I thought of. Since I live in the same suburb where her Buick dealership was and not far from where the Reds play, it's a natural.
She was a mean, cheap, nasty, crazy rich lady, and ironically every time she got sick at home the EMTs would rush her to the nearest hospital, which was Jewish Hospital.
In a partial defense of her, though, she was extremely generous and devoted tons of time to the cause of disabled children (who in turn loved her), and she left a substantial part of her substantial fortune to causes like the Boy Scouts instead of her greedy relatives. While that doesn't make up for her stated beliefs and overall meanness, she did do some good.
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ClaudeMonet Wed, Sep 15, 2010 10:08:19pm |
re: #194 Ojoe
Of course she will run. The GOP nomination is hers if she wants it. As for the election, who knows?
Hmmm, I seem to recall hearing that about Hillary Clinton concerning the 2008 nomination.
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ClaudeMonet Wed, Sep 15, 2010 10:13:08pm |
re: #215 Gus 802
To think that people think she would be a good Senator to stop the spending in congress. She can't even manage her own finances and she's a mooch. In many ways she's already a low budget Charlie Rangel.
Elect her and she'll find a way to be a high budget Charlie Rangel.
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ClaudeMonet Wed, Sep 15, 2010 10:18:19pm |
re: #243 Kragar (proud to be kafir)
Civility would be a lot more prevalent if public duelling over points of honor were legalized.
/
I choose swords. I'm better with a sword than most, having received some training in the fine art of fencing.
Either that or cream pies at five paces.
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ClaudeMonet Wed, Sep 15, 2010 10:20:23pm |
re: #251 Surabaya Stew
Indeed the GOP would be 'wise' to take Rove's advice now, but frankly there's something satisifying about seeing Turdblossom being turned upon by the beast he helped to create. Somehow, I doubt I lack for company in this feeling around here... ;-0
True, but he's the kind of guy you hate on the other team but love on yours. I'd love to see him work for a centrist Democrat.
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ClaudeMonet Wed, Sep 15, 2010 10:28:22pm |
re: #336 brookly red
We'll be fighting in the streets
With our children at our feet
And the morals that they worship will be gone
And the men who spurred us on
Sit in judgment of all wrong
They decide and the shotgun sings the songuh yes well maybe...
We've been fooled many times since The Who recorded that song.
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