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As Rick “Spreading” Santorum takes the stage, here’s a live video feed from the extreme right wing Family Research Council’s “Values Voter Summit.” He’s about to describe the evils perpetrated on America by John F. Kennedy — primary among them, the separation of church and state.

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A note of background information: in 2001, Family Research Council leader Tony Perkins gave a speech to the openly white supremacist Council of Conservative Citizens. And when Perkins worked for Senator Woody Jenkins, he purchased a phone-bank list from former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke.

And major GOP politicians speak at his events.

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1 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:13:35am

Rick Santorum just said separation of church and state is not an American value, and that America not only should, but MUST legislate morality.

2 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:13:39am

And I believe all the likely hopefuls for the GOP presidential nomination are there.

Oh joy.

3 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:15:10am

re: #1 Charles

Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their "legislature" should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

-- Thomas Jefferson.

But what would he know about American values?

4 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:15:43am

re: #2 Obdicut

And I believe all the likely hopefuls for the GOP presidential nomination are there.


Something something from orbit something....

5 jaunte  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:15:58am

re: #1 Charles

Rick Santorum just said separation of church and state is not an American value, and that America not only should, but MUST legislate morality.

Grotesque.

6 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:16:58am

re: #2 Obdicut

And I believe all the likely hopefuls for the GOP presidential nomination are there.

Oh joy.

Sister Sarah is not in attendance.

7 calochortus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:17:23am

And if we're not careful hospitals will have to care for sick people. Oh the horror.

8 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:17:30am

re: #6 Stanley Sea

Sister Sarah is not in attendance.

Really? Interesting. I wonder if she wasn't invited, or decided not to go.

9 Kronocide  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:17:31am

As soon as it came up for me, Santorum dropped the 'Muslims have not created any technical triumphs in 200 years' meme.

OMFG. I don't feel like cracking jokes any more.

10 Lidane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:17:52am

re: #1 Charles

Rick Santorum just said separation of church and state is not an American value, and that America not only should, but MUST legislate morality.

But he also believes in smaller, more limited government, right?

11 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:18:47am

Yes, let's legistate morally starting with the Catholics (such as Mr. Santorum); they shouldn't be allowed to hold higher office. I mean, aren't they all working for the Pope?
///

12 jaunte  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:19:03am

re: #10 Lidane

Just a few pious men (mutawas) per neighborhood should do it.

13 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:19:33am

Santorum's speech is a condensed version of this one:

[Link: www.eppc.org...]

He blames JFK for pretty much everything that's wrong with America (by which he means not enough fundamentalist religion).

14 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:19:34am

re: #3 Obdicut

-- Thomas Jefferson.

But what would he know about American values?

Jefferson wasn't born as a US citizen, so he must have been some sort of commie socialist infiltrator. (So the Texas SBOE has the right idea in expunging him from the history books...)

/(black hole massive)

15 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:21:34am

All I need to know about Rick Santorum, I learned from Dan Savage.

16 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:21:41am

Rick Santorum fails to understand the underpinnings of the Age of Enlightenment and other movements that motivated America's founding fathers. It was largely based on reason, secularism, and science not on a revisionist view that he presents. And example of this can be seen in Jean-Jacques Rousseau who motivated the French and American Revolutions.

Rousseau advocated the opinion that, insofar as they lead people to virtue, all religions are equally worthy, and that people should therefore conform to the religion in which they have been brought up. This religious indifferentism caused Rousseau and his books to be banned from France and Geneva. He was condemned from the pulpit by the Archbishop of Paris, his books were burned, and warrants were issued for his arrest.

17 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:22:16am

re: #8 Obdicut

Really? Interesting. I wonder if she wasn't invited, or decided not to go.

I don't know. It's completely up her alley though. Maybe appearances are gratis?

18 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:23:32am

re: #9 BigPapa

As soon as it came up for me, Santorum dropped the 'Muslims have not created any technical triumphs in 200 years' meme.

Really?

Try telling that to the people who live and work in these places!

A Muslim-American came of with the entire concept.

200 years my ass!

19 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:23:34am

re: #16 Gus 802

Rick Santorum fails to understand the underpinnings of the Age of Enlightenment and other movements that motivated America's founding fathers. It was largely based on reason, secularism, and science not on a revisionist view that he presents. And example of this can be seen in Jean-Jacques Rousseau who motivated the French and American Revolutions.


FTFY

20 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:24:10am

People of faith aren't welcome to the public square? That's a new one on me.

21 Kronocide  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:24:12am

'where people of faith are allowed to be in the public square.'

Nice try Rick. The faith is fine, the nuttery is bad.

22 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:25:08am

re: #20 Gus 802

People of faith aren't welcome to the public square? That's a new one on me.

I had to laugh at that. Always the victims, aren't they?

When in fact, the truth is exactly the opposite.

23 darthstar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:25:24am

Did he just diss the "greatest generation?"

24 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:25:30am

re: #13 Charles

Santorum's speech is a condensed version of this one:

[Link: www.eppc.org...]

He blames JFK for pretty much everything that's wrong with America (by which he means not enough fundamentalist religion).

He's just pissed that when people are asked to name a famous American politician who happens to be Catholic they name JFK instead of him.

25 jamesfirecat  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:25:43am

re: #1 Charles

Rick Santorum just said separation of church and state is not an American value, and that America not only should, but MUST legislate morality.

Oh and smaller government!

We're for that right guys?

26 jaunte  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:26:05am

Santorum on the right to privacy:

AP: I'm sorry, I didn't think I was going to talk about "man on dog" with a United States senator, it's sort of freaking me out.

SANTORUM: And that's sort of where we are in today's world, unfortunately. The idea is that the state doesn't have rights to limit individuals' wants and passions. I disagree with that. I think we absolutely have rights because there are consequences to letting people live out whatever wants or passions they desire. And we're seeing it in our society.

AP: Sorry, I just never expected to talk about that when I came over here to interview you. Would a President Santorum eliminate a right to privacy — you don't agree with it?

SANTORUM: I've been very clear about that. The right to privacy is a right that was created in a law that set forth a (ban on) rights to limit individual passions. And I don't agree with that. So I would make the argument that with President, or Senator or Congressman or whoever Santorum, I would put it back to where it is, the democratic process. If New York doesn't want sodomy laws, if the people of New York want abortion, fine. I mean, I wouldn't agree with it, but that's their right. But I don't agree with the Supreme Court coming in.[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

27 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:26:36am

re: #23 darthstar

Did he just diss the "greatest generation?"

and the fact that FDR did more to make us ready to fight and win that war than anybody else. The Republicans were entirely isolationist and non-interventionist.

28 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:26:59am

re: #22 Charles

I had to laugh at that. Always the victims, aren't they?

When in fact, the truth is exactly the opposite.

Not a day goes by where I'm not hearing or reading something from a "person of faith." In the USA that of course comes from the Christian majority.

29 Lidane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:27:17am

re: #16 Gus 802

Rick Santorum fails to understand the underpinnings of pretty much everything.

FTFY

Santorum's a ignorant, self-righteous tool. His pathetic attempt to talk about Lord of the Rings is proof enough of that:

“As the hobbits are going up Mount Doom, the Eye of Mordor is being drawn somewhere else. It's being drawn to Iraq and it's not being drawn to the U.S. “You know what? I want to keep it on Iraq. I don't want the Eye to come back here to the United States.”

Colbert's takedown of that was hilarious.

30 Liberal Classic  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:27:20am

My conservative friends think I am being alarmist when I say Republican leadership is turning its back on the Enlightenment.

31 Kronocide  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:27:35am

Jesus Jones!

32 calochortus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:27:41am

My audio is breaking up, but did he just suggest Stalin begged for help against the Germans, but we didn't get involved until after Pearl Harbor?

33 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:27:46am

re: #20 Gus 802

People of faith aren't welcome to the public square? That's a new one on me.

Because they cannot own the public square

34 darthstar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:28:07am

Bring out the homophobes!`

35 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:28:15am

Now DADT is gonna get bitch-slapped

36 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:28:17am

Yeah. Unlike Rick Santorum "who never served in the military."

37 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:29:02am

Good lord it's that puke Tony Perkins.

38 calochortus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:29:12am

re: #32 calochortus

I should probably elaborate as that those are both true statements, but Stalin asked for help well after Pearl Harbor.

39 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:29:23am

DADT is "embracing homosexuality"?

40 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:29:31am

Santorum.
Take your Christian Taliban and shove it where the sun don't shine.

41 darthstar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:29:52am

re: #40 Varek Raith

Santorum.
Take your Christian Taliban and shove it where the sun don't shine.

Just don't ask, and we won't tell.

42 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:30:10am

re: #37 Gus 802

Good lord it's that puke Tony Perkins.

Let me know when the Duggars are on.

43 calochortus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:30:13am

I have no objection to getting rid of DADT, but probably not in the way they mean.

44 Kronocide  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:30:48am

'Forcing military to EMBRACE homosexuality.'

45 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:30:58am

Now comes the serious gay-bashing.

46 jaunte  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:31:34am

re: #44 BigPapa

It's always couched in 'victim' speech.

47 darthstar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:31:38am

Ha! Murder > Divorce...thanks, Tony! You fucktard.

48 Lidane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:32:10am

re: #43 calochortus

I have no objection to getting rid of DADT, but probably not in the way they mean.

Speaking of DADT:

Youtube Video
49 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:32:32am

Smells like bandaids.

50 Kronocide  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:32:36am

'The military is under attack, already fighting two wars...'

I know where this is going.

51 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:32:54am

re: #49 Gus 802

Smells like bandaids.

And....
Cheese?

52 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:33:12am

re: #51 Varek Raith

And...
Cheese?

And Old Spice.

53 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:34:38am

From the same conference comes this quote from Demint:

"I hear regularly as I travel around this country, someone will tell me, 'I'm a fiscal conservative conservative, but not a social conservative.' I want to straighten him a little bit this morning, because the fact is, you cannot be a real fiscal conservative if you do not understand the value of a culture that's based on values," ......
"When you have a big government, you're going to have a little God," said DeMint. "You're going to have fewer values and morals, and you're going to have a culture that has to be controlled by the government. But when you have a big God, you're going to have a responsible and capable people with character to control themselves and lead their own lives. And you can't have a little God that promotes freedom and allows people to keep more of their own money, and a government that's not bankrupt. A government that's not bankrupt. We're talking about fiscal issues."

Apparently Demint is not much of a student of history since individual liberty really only flourished after the separation of church and state, and Theocracies around the world and in history have really been far more intrusive in people's lives and fostered far more dependence.

54 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:35:32am

re: #22 Charles

I had to laugh at that. Always the victims, aren't they?

When in fact, the truth is exactly the opposite.

Its the war on Christmas all over again.

55 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:35:53am

Israel allows gays to openly serve....

56 Winny Spencer  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:35:56am

Homophobia is just so pathetic.

Even more pathetic is trying to justify it like they are doing now.

57 ...stephen  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:36:10am

It amazes him that our country continues to produce young men and women who are ready to sacrifice their lives for their country...

... unless they're gay.

Er...

58 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:37:06am

WTF is this tool going on about???

59 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:37:35am

re: #55 Varek Raith

Israel allows gays to openly serve...

"SPLITTERS!!!"

60 Lidane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:37:36am

re: #53 Petero1818

Apparently Demint is not much of a student of history

Neither is anyone else at this so-called "Values Voters" event. They thrive on two things-- their own historical revisionism and the ignorance of the audience they're aiming for.

61 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:37:54am

re: #45 Charles

Now comes the serious gay-bashing.

Serious gay-bashing or more openly honest gay-bashing? All them up on this stage hate teh ghey.

62 darthstar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:38:19am

I'll take a bullet for that guy, but not that gay.

63 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:38:21am

He did not earn those medals for his brains.

64 cliffster  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:38:42am

This is how angry birds would look on blackberry

65 ...stephen  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:38:44am

"They don't know why somebody wants to be their friend."
Wow. Just... wow.

66 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:38:51am

re: #56 Winny Spencer

Homophobia is just so pathetic.

Even more pathetic is trying to justify it like they are doing now.

too difficult to watch.

67 Kronocide  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:39:27am

re: #58 Varek Raith

WTF is this tool going on about???

Laying a thick layer of supposed intellectualism over the basic pretext that homosexuality will destroy unit cohesion because no straights will take a bullet for gay people.

68 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:39:39am

re: #58 Varek Raith

WTF is this tool going on about???

Dang it! The movers have already packed the TV's and couches and most of my stuff so I can't watch this... Sitting in the Corner on the floor with laptop..

69 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:39:40am

Thank you for serving this country, however, I must also give a hearty FU on your stance on gays.
Thanks.

70 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:40:10am

As usual the Obama derangement comes into play. The reality is that Obama did not sign an Executive Order banning DADT. He asked the DoD and congress to study the matter first and come up with a new policy with the intent to reverse DADT. Furthermore, there are many gay military activists that are unhappy that Obama took this route instead of executing an outright ban.

71 calochortus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:40:23am

re: #53 Petero1818

From the same conference comes this quote from Demint:

"I hear regularly as I travel around this country, someone will tell me, 'I'm a fiscal conservative conservative, but not a social conservative.' I want to straighten him a little bit this morning, because the fact is, you cannot be a real fiscal conservative if you do not understand the value of a culture that's based on values," ...
"When you have a big government, you're going to have a little God," said DeMint. "You're going to have fewer values and morals, and you're going to have a culture that has to be controlled by the government. But when you have a big God, you're going to have a responsible and capable people with character to control themselves and lead their own lives. And you can't have a little God that promotes freedom and allows people to keep more of their own money, and a government that's not bankrupt. A government that's not bankrupt. We're talking about fiscal issues."

Apparently Demint is not much of a student of history since individual liberty really only flourished after the separation of church and state, and Theocracies around the world and in history have really been far more intrusive in people's lives and fostered far more dependence.

Sounds like someone is stuck in "level 2" of Kohlberg's stages of moral development

72 jaunte  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:40:40am

re: #67 BigPapa

He has a low opinion of everyone.

73 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:41:11am

This is utterly ludicrous.

74 webevintage  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:41:48am

These guys are just dicks....
I can't listen to them and their bullshit anymore.

75 calochortus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:42:07am

Hey, my kid could die in a war? Fine. Be exposed to teh gay? Not so much.

76 darthstar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:42:10am

War isn't a moral activity.

77 Kronocide  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:42:41am

Recruitment will drop if they let in teh gheys.

Yes, in the ignorant homophobic demographic. I can live with that.

78 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:42:54am

Replace gay with negro in this talk.

79 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:43:02am

The armed forces are for killing the enemy.
Not enforcing morality.
Unless they fancy themselves Crusaders....

80 darthstar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:43:26am

You gotta love the way they drop their voices and choke out the word "muslims" when using them to support their homophobia.

81 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:43:58am

Uh. The UK allows gays and transgendered people in their military.

82 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:44:00am

Really, these people SCARE ME.

83 Soap_Man  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:44:04am

re: #1 Charles

Rick Santorum just said separation of church and state is not an American value, and that America not only should, but MUST legislate morality.

"I like you guys who wanna reduce the size of government -- make it just small enough so it can fit in our bedrooms."
—Josh Lyman

84 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:44:10am

re: #77 BigPapa

Recruitment will drop if they let in teh gheys.

Yes, in the ignorant homophobic demographic. I can live with that.

To be totally honest if any of the soldiers must die (and common sense suggests they do), I would prefer it to be the ignorant homophobic demographic.

85 darthstar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:44:35am

"it really stabs at the heart" - how many times will he use that phrase?

86 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:44:44am

re: #84 Petero1818

Come on, now.
No need to go there.

87 Kronocide  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:44:55am

re: #84 Petero1818

To be totally honest if any of the soldiers must die (and common sense suggests they do), I would prefer it to be the ignorant homophobic demographic.

I'm not going to go there, but many of them will quit or not re-enlist.

88 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:45:04am

And it is primarily totalitarian nations that don't allow GLBTs in the military.

89 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:45:15am

re: #16 Gus 802

Rousseau was a fucking idiot who believed Man in a state of Nature is essentially good.

Moonbat.

90 calochortus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:45:15am

re: #85 darthstar

"it really stabs at the heart" - how many times will he use that phrase?

Until they find out where their hearts are?

91 RadicalModerate  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:45:15am

re: #79 Varek Raith

The armed forces are for killing the enemy.
Not enforcing morality.
Unless they fancy themselves Crusaders...

This is the Value Voters Summit, headed by white supremacist Tony Perkins.
Of course they fancy themselves as modern-day Crusaders.

92 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:46:06am

Parents won't let their children join the military if they let teh ghey in.

93 Surabaya Stew  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:46:13am

re: #61 Surabaya Stew

Serious gay-bashing or more openly honest gay-bashing? All them up on this stage hate teh ghey.

How many of the Gay-bashers are actually closet-cases themselves? Anybody else suspect self-loathing is behind some of this?

94 sagehen  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:46:19am

re: #85 darthstar

"it really stabs at the heart" - how many times will he use that phrase?

Are you sorta starting to wish it wasn't just a metaphor?

95 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:46:27am

re: #85 darthstar

"it really stabs at the heart" - how many times will he use that phrase?

He's deliberately mimicking Sarah Palin.

96 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:46:38am

Gay in the military around the word.

Blue = Homosexuals allowed to serve in the military. Orange = "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". Red = Banned from serving / homosexuality illegal generally. Grey = Data not available.

Image: LGBT_military_laws.png

97 darthstar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:46:41am

Heh...Secretary of Defense Gates was chosen by President Bush, you idiots. Nice try at revisionism.

98 tnguitarist  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:46:48am

Now we know why these schmucks won't debate anyone.

99 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:47:19am

re: #96 Gus 802

Gay in the military around the word.

Blue = Homosexuals allowed to serve in the military. Orange = "Don't Ask, Don't Tell". Red = Banned from serving / homosexuality illegal generally. Grey = Data not available.

Image: LGBT_military_laws.png

Awesome company we keep.

100 darthstar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:47:33am

re: #95 Charles

He's deliberately mimicking Sarah Palin.

Ah, yes...the lowest common denominator...

101 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:47:41am

re: #86 Varek Raith


re: #87 BigPapa

Well, I realize that my comment may cross a line, and to be clear, I do not wish death upon any US soldier. I think you get my point though. Sorry.

102 sagehen  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:47:48am

re: #92 Charles

Parents won't let their children join the military if they let teh ghey in.

Anybody who needs mommy and daddy's permission isn't grown-up enough to be a soldier.

103 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:48:02am

re: #99 Varek Raith

Awesome company we keep.

China, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Venezuela, North Korea...

104 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:48:31am

re: #101 Petero1818

re: #87 BigPapa

Well, I realize that my comment may cross a line, and to be clear, I do not wish death upon any US soldier. I think you get my point though. Sorry.

It's alright.
They are hoisting themselves on there on petards.

105 calochortus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:48:48am

Gah, I can't take this any more.

106 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:49:04am

re: #92 Charles

Parents won't let their children join the military if they let teh ghey in.

I believe he said Army wives wont let their kids visit their fathers on Family Day if there are gays there. Which seems perfectly logical//

107 reine.de.tout  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:49:05am

re: #92 Charles

Parents won't let their children join the military if they let teh ghey in.

Let's see. . .
Last I checked, one had to be an adult to join the military.
And parents can't force their adult children to do (or not do) anything.

Or is he suggesting parents should keep control of their kids until the kids are 30?

108 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:49:07am

re: #104 Varek Raith

It's alright.
They are hoisting themselves on their on petards.


PIMF

109 darthstar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:49:51am

These guys are so old testament.

110 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:50:03am

Religion needs to get the fuck out of the military.
Full stop.

111 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:50:35am

Its good to know where these people stand. Makes it easier to know who to stand against.

112 webevintage  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:51:22am

re: #107 reine.de.tout

Let's see. . .
Last I checked, one had to be an adult to join the military.
And parents can't force their adult children to do (or not do) anything.

Or is he suggesting parents should keep control of their kids until the kids are 30?

I've been around folks like these (in my past) and a lot of them hold control over what their children do even once they are adults.
It is amazing....

113 darthstar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:51:48am

None of this talk about battle fatigue and chaplains has anything to do with whether some of the soldiers serving may or may not be gay.

114 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:51:58am

re: #110 Varek Raith

Religion needs to get the fuck out of the military.
Full stop.

Fat chance.

115 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:52:01am

I suppose they also want all non-Christians out of the military, yes?
They're just to chickenshit to say it.

116 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:52:12am

"A chaplain who believes homosexuality is an abomination is going to feel suppressed" (because he can't preach hatred).

117 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:52:18am

re: #114 Cato the Elder

Fat chance.

I know.

118 RadicalModerate  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:52:29am

re: #91 RadicalModerate

And for those of you who don't believe Mr. Perkins is as I have described, well, here's a picture from a 1997 Council of Conservative Citizens (formerly known as White Citizens Council) that might change your mind.

Image: PerkinsCCC-300x253.jpg

Here's the full article on Mr. Perkins' speech there:

[Link: www.boxturtlebulletin.com...]

119 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:52:34am

re: #102 sagehen

Anybody who needs mommy and daddy's permission isn't grown-up enough to be a soldier.

There's a whole slew of PR / Commercials our right now about the soldier making the decision and the parents respecting it. These dudes are retired and completely out of touch. Shameful.

120 Kronocide  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:52:50am

'We need to have an outlet before we go into combat and explode.'

This is an old school concept at play and I wonder if we need to move an intellectual grade above the 'killing machine' mentality. I understand the need for it but maybe it's time to think beyond that.

121 darthstar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:53:04am

re: #115 Varek Raith

I suppose they also want all non-Christians out of the military, yes?
They're just to chickenshit to say it.

Get rid of the gays first...the muslims are allies in the anti-gay movement. Once the gays are gone, they can make the military 100% Xian.

Holy fuck...now they're saying the military would have to pay for sex changes.

122 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:53:09am

What.
The.
Fuck.

123 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:53:19am

Asshole!

124 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:53:22am

Gay bashing. To laughter.

125 darthstar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:53:27am

"heels or boots"? So these guys are sexist pricks too.

126 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:53:40am

Apparently he does not understand the difference between transgender and transvestite but that is hardly surprising.

127 Kronocide  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:53:43am

"heels or boots?"

You're not funny, you can't pull that joke off.

128 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:53:49am

"It would be difficult for a transvestite to choose which uniform to wear." Durr hurr hurr.

129 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:54:35am

One of the best SNCO I had in the Marines was a lesbian and she would kick his ass for that

130 Lidane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:54:47am

re: #122 Varek Raith

What.
The.
Fuck.

I've been saying that about these people for years. They're insane.

I don't know how anyone is managing to sit through and listen to them. I'd rather eat glass than hear what they have to say, since it's the same ignorant, hateful shit they've been spewing for decades.

131 Kronocide  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:55:02am

now on to abortion!

132 darthstar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:55:17am

Wouldn't gay troops be less likely to get pregnant and need abortions? Seems like a win-win...
/

134 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:55:41am

re: #128 Charles

"It would be difficult for a transvestite to choose which uniform to wear." Durr hurr hurr.

And Eddie Izzard immeadiatley springs to mind.

Eddie can pull off those jokes, these guys, not so much

135 Kronocide  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:55:47am

This kid is a disaster.

136 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:56:14am

Scum. S. C. U. M. Nothing more to say.

137 lazardo  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:56:50am

re: #1 Charles

Rick Santorum just said separation of church and state is not an American value, and that America not only should, but MUST legislate morality.

And people here argue that this isn't conservative thought how?

138 tnguitarist  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:56:53am

I'm glad you guys are listening to this crap so I don't have to.

139 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:57:16am

Gah, the music.

140 Radicchio ad Absurdum  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:57:30am

re: #136 Gus 802

Scum. S. C. U. M. Nothing more to say.

LOL, much more to say actually. See my link at #15.

141 darthstar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:57:38am

Who is this prick with ears hosting the event?

142 Lidane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:58:32am

re: #138 tnguitarist

I'm glad you guys are listening to this crap so I don't have to.

No kidding. I'd probably be drinking by now if I had to spend any time listening to this garbage. The comments here are bad enough. The real thing would be unbearable.

143 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:58:56am

Here comes the Dominionist.

144 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:59:03am

Alright, I can't stands no more.

145 darthstar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:59:39am

Okay...12:00 on a Friday...that's close enough to 5pm for me. I'll catch you all later.

146 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 11:59:41am

Eddie Izzard on transvestites in the military

Yeah. So! I didn't join the army, as you might have noticed... Yeah, ‘cause there's not much makeup in the army, is there? No? They only have that night-time look, and that's a bit slapdash, isn't it? And they look a mess! So you can't join, even though the American armed forces have a distinct policy of "don't ask, don't tell" towards the alternative sexualities. If you're a bloke wearing a lot of makeup, you know… I don't think they need to ask, really! And so you can't join, they go, "No, no, you can't.It's the wrong shade of lipstick for the Army, I'm afraid..." And they're missing a huge opportunity here, ‘cause we all know one of the main elements of attack is the element of surprise, and so what could be more surprising than the 1st Battalion Transvestite Brigade? Airborne wing! The airborne wing parachuting into dangerous areas with fantastic makeup! And a fantastic gun! And the opposing forces going, "Fucking ‘ell, look at these guys! Look at that! They’ve got guns. They've got guns! Jesus, they've got guns!" Ah, bugger. I was so surprised! Were you surprised? I was surprised.

147 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:00:05pm

No they are America's nightmare.

148 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:00:10pm

re: #139 Varek Raith

Gah, the music.

Muzak™.

149 lazardo  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:00:29pm

Ah, hell. Sorry I couldn't be on longer today, but it's 3 AM and I don't want to break out the paint roller.

Nighty.

150 lazardo  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:01:17pm

re: #148 Cato the Elder

Muzak™.

Pop, pop.

Youtube Video
151 Kronocide  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:01:44pm

Is it me or does Gary Bauer look like Smeagol?

153 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:02:59pm

re: #151 BigPapa

Is it me or does Gary Bauer look like Smeagol?

"Whats does it have in its agendas? GOLLUM GOLLUM."

155 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:04:00pm

re: #141 darthstar

Who is this prick with ears hosting the event?

Gil Mertz - FRC
Regional Director of Development

In February 2004, Gil Mertz joined Family Research Council (FRC) as a Regional Director of Development, articulating how FRC is working to restore the principles of faith, family and freedom in America to key supporters throughout the Western portion of the United States.

Gil has been involved with full-time Christian service for more than 30 years. He draws from a vast background of ministry with international missions, evangelism, humanitarian causes, social justice, race relations, and serving the homeless. He is a former pastor and also hosted his own call-in radio talk show in Colorado Springs. In addition to his duties as Master of Ceremonies for all FRC events, Gil also meets with community leaders, philanthropists, and churches that may not be familiar with FRC but are committed to conservative values.

Using FRC's resource materials, he urges citizens to become better educated and equipped to promote pro-family values in their own communities and around the country. Gil and his wife have three grown children, two grandchildren, and make their home in Southern California.

156 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:05:01pm

Class warfare!
Elites!

157 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:05:49pm

re: #156 Gus 802

Class warfare!
Elites!

LOUD NOISES!

158 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:06:33pm

Wake up America, these people are the winners of the war for the Conservative soul and the Republican party. Is this the America you want? Living in fear and hating anything that isn't in goosestep with their world view?

Their vision of America is not an America I can ever accept, and will fight them till my last breath.

America must remain a shining light of tolerance and diversity, and not let her light be dimmed from those who would turn her towards fear and evil.

I don't use the word lightly, but these people represent that which is evil in America. and the worst part is, they're so blinded, they can't even comprehend how twisted they have become.

159 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:06:38pm

re: #157 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

LOUD NOISES!

I tell ya'. Gary Bauer's voice is hard to take.

160 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:07:12pm

Elites.

161 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:07:30pm

Elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites...

162 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:07:54pm

re: #158 bloodstar

Wake up America, these people are the winners of the war for the Conservative soul and the Republican party. Is this the America you want? Living in fear and hating anything that isn't in goosestep with their world view?

Their vision of America is not an America I can ever accept, and will fight them till my last breath.

America must remain a shining light of tolerance and diversity, and not let her light be dimmed from those who would turn her towards fear and evil.

I don't use the word lightly, but these people represent that which is evil in America. and the worst part is, they're so blinded, they can't even comprehend how twisted they have become.

But American Idol is on.
//

163 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:07:55pm

Wow.

164 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:08:00pm

If this guy says "elites" once more I am going to puke.

165 Kronocide  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:08:29pm

'the Creator is not Allah.'

The masks are not only off they got left at the door.

166 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:08:51pm

He just said regarding "creator" in the Declaration of Independence, "and by the way folks, that's not Allah!"

167 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:08:54pm

re: #161 Gus 802

Elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites, elites...

Their elites, not our elites, you mindless drones!

168 tnguitarist  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:09:11pm

Elites? These guys are the everyman?

169 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:09:12pm

The Obama recession?

170 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:09:43pm

re: #169 Petero1818

The Obama recession?

Yeah, the one that started in October of 2008.

No, wait...

/

171 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:10:06pm

re: #164 Petero1818

If this guy says "elites" once more I am going to puke.

Here's your bucket.

OMG, this is absolutely whack.

172 tnguitarist  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:10:13pm

They truly believe that if you say something enough, it becomes the truth.

173 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:10:53pm

re: #171 Stanley Sea

Here's your bucket.

OMG, this is absolutely whack.

Just one more wafer thin elite.....

174 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:11:28pm

re: #172 tnguitarist

They truly believe that if you say something enough, it becomes the truth.

I am immense and immortal.

I AM IMMENSE AND IMMORTAL!

175 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:11:53pm

As a Jew I take great offence to this guy even saying the word "jew"

176 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:12:49pm

Torture porn, brought to you by the Values Summit.

177 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:14:01pm

Bullshit.

178 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:14:20pm

These people are going to win.

179 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:15:39pm

Well, we are starting to give Mecca a run for its money.

180 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:16:03pm

To all the speakers at the summit today;

Youtube Video

Look inside, look inside your tiny mind
and look a bit harder
cause we’re so uninspired
so sick and tired
of all the hatred you harbor

so you say it’s not okay to be gay
well I think you’re just evil
you’re just some racist who can’t tie my laces
you’re point of view is medieval

Fuck you, fuck you very very much
cause we hate what you do
and we hate your whole crew
so please don’t stay in touch

181 Kronocide  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:16:15pm

'if you want to give a speech on tolerance, try giving it in Mecca.'

More populist non-think.

182 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:16:16pm

Oh gee look at this:

Image: bushsaudikingkissing.jpg

183 tnguitarist  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:16:26pm

This is what you're going to get for your majority, folks. You'll get your small government. Except in the bedroom, in your morality, in your military, .........

184 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:16:42pm

re: #109 darthstar

These guys are so old testament.

"And yet every Sunday, I turn on the television set, and there's a priest or a pastor, reading, from my book. And interpreting it, and their interpretations, I have to tell you, are usually wrong. It's not their fault, just it's not their book. You never see a Rabbi on TV interpreting the New Testament, do you?"

-Lewis Black

Youtube Video
185 deranged cat  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:17:07pm

hahahahahaha this made me laugh:
[Link: twitter.com...]

@anitamoncrief The only racism I've ever experienced has come from the Left. Never from conservative movement or Republican Party. #VVS2010

i know shes some nobody, but it's really sad to see that people actually think that way.

186 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:17:16pm

re: #183 tnguitarist

This is what you're going to get for your majority, folks. You'll get your small government. Except in the bedroom, in your morality, in your military, ...

We'll see what happens. Otherwise we might be looking at the American Dark Ages after 2012. They're going to be making Reagan look like a liberal.

187 tnguitarist  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:18:09pm

re: #181 BigPapa

'if you want to give a speech on tolerance, try giving it in Mecca.'

More populist non-think.

They never seem to grasp the irony of setting our standards against backwards nations.

188 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:18:50pm

re: #133 Gus 802

Fr. Mychal F. Judge - Chaplain of the Fire Department of New York, and the first recorded victim of the September 11, 2001 attacks.

Fr. Mychal F. Judge was a gay man.

He was designated victim #1 in the roll call at Ground Zero because of the respect he commanded among all that knew him.

FWIW, that's a photo that still brings me to tears.

189 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:19:38pm

re: #188 lawhawk

He was designated victim #1 in the roll call at Ground Zero because of the respect he commanded among all that knew him.

FWIW, that's a photo that still brings me to tears.

Does it? They have a biography of him at Hulu right now. He seemed like a pretty cool guy.

190 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:20:07pm

These people look at theocracies and dictatorships as a license to do what they want rather than as an measure of what we should stand against.

191 ihateronpaul  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:20:26pm

we have some really "cutting edge rhetroic" going on here.

A rough summary of what I'm hearing right now (3:14):

America should be tolerant to other religions? (SEAN HANNITY LOGIC FOLLOWING) Well maybe they should be tolerant to us! (Fuck setting an example) blah blah blah obama bowing to the saudi king blah blah blah obama hates jews because he is against illegal settlements blah blah blah omg islam in america omgomgomg the founders didn't read the koran (COMPLETE LIE) blah blah blah some muslims celebrated 9/11 thus all muslims are evil11!1

192 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:21:04pm

re: #188 lawhawk

FWIW, that's a photo that still brings me to tears.

He looks peacefully asleep.

193 Lidane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:21:49pm

re: #186 Gus 802

They're going to be making Reagan look like a liberal.

They already make Reagan look like a liberal. Hell, Nixon's a bleeding heart pinko hippie and Goldwater's a RINO by their standards.

These people are insane.

194 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:22:35pm

re: #185 deranged cat

hahahahahaha this made me laugh:
[Link: twitter.com...]

i know shes some nobody, but it's really sad to see that people actually think that way.

She's Andrew Breitbart's nobody.

195 deranged cat  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:24:39pm

re: #194 wrenchwench

She's Andrew Breitbart's nobody.

well the lady twittering it is a nobody, but the person she is twittering AT is yes, andrew breitbart's person. makes it even worse. yuck.

196 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:25:04pm

How I long for the days when the right tried to claim JFK as one of their own. Looking at my retro JFK for president poster that I have here in my apartment and thinking that men like him and my grandfather are flipping in their graves seeing a twit like Santorum act like their values are evil. And by the way can these people stop acting like they're for limited government. They're not and they never have been.

197 Interesting Times  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:25:25pm

The Talibanization of America

In Pakistan, "Talibanization" is a label used to describe regressive and parochial conservatism, not just the political ascendancy of Mullah Omar and his extremist disciples. When we use the label "mullah," it is not the same thing as honoring someone by calling him "Father" or "Reverend." Instead, we're most likely referring to a person's narrow-mindedness, bigotry, and possible racism. So when we try to explain to fellow Pakistanis how the United States is much grander than the pettiness of Quran-burning circuses or mosque-defying extremists, we don't use the same labels that Americans would. Describing the ideological kith and kin of opponents of the Park51 project -- including the fringe element of folks like Terry Jones and his flock at the Dove World Outreach Center -- with terms like the moral majority, far-right evangelicals, or even neocons is useless.

Instead, when we try to explain what is happening in America, we simply say that a great country is going through a kind of Talibanization -- led by mullahs like Newt Gingrich, Pamela Geller, and the occasional Terry Jones.

198 allegro  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:26:09pm

I swear I keep thinking they can't say or believe anything more venal and offensive... yet they persist in exceeding my expectations. This really does make me feel sick.

199 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:26:20pm

re: #192 wrenchwench

Indeed. It isn't just that we know him to be dead in that photo, or that he appears to be peacefully at rest. It is the look of the 2 firefighters, police officer, the OEM, and what appears to be a regular guy, carrying him on a chair to safety away from the towers. It is their determination and actions.

Just can't explain it... it just is.. he was one of the real good ones...

200 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:26:24pm

Using Flight 93 and 911 as a rallying call for voting on November. Classy.

201 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:27:27pm

Boo! I can't take anymore. Gotta run an errand or two.

Good luck listening to the next wingnut, Christine O'Donnell.

Back later.

202 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:27:30pm

re: #198 allegro

I swear I keep thinking they can't say or believe anything more venal and offensive... yet they persist in exceeding my expectations. This really does make me feel sick.

re: #200 Gus 802

Using Flight 93 and 911 as a rallying call for voting on November. Classy.

This is the most hateful speech.

203 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:28:10pm

They're going to go nuts when O'Donnell hits the stage.

She's the new Palin on the block.

204 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:28:19pm

By the way does anyone find it funny that these so called value voters are probably the ones most concerned about "Sharia" law yet they want to implement their own religious values on the country. If Sharia law ever coems in this country, it will be through the actions of people like Santorum rather than Obama in that Santorum does not respect that religion and the state should be seperate. I flat out don't get these people's enthaisum for having religion and the state together honestly. It leads to religious persecution. Shit, I have little doubt that religious persecution is part of why many of my ancestors came to this country. These people want an America where you're judged by your religion or lack of religion first and your character second.

205 RadicalModerate  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:28:38pm

I wonder if the Value Voters Summit vendors will be selling the "Obama Waffles" that were created by Stormfront members like they did in 2008?

[Link: thinkprogress.org...]

206 allegro  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:30:29pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

It leads to religious persecution... These people want an America where you're judged by your religion or lack of religion first and your character second.

Exactly right. This is the point, sweet pea. And they intend to be the judges and executioners. Literally.

207 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:30:30pm

"A whole generation plunges into the Erebus Blackness, lighted on by an Era of Hope."
--Carlyle

208 Interesting Times  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:31:11pm

re: #200 Gus 802

Using Flight 93 and 911 as a rallying call for voting on November. Classy.

Mark Bingham

Mark Kendall Bingham, born May 22, 1970 in Phoenix, Arizona, was a passenger on United Airlines Flight 93 which crashed in Pennsylvania. Mark, an openly gay man, assisted in defending the aircraft against the attackers and is considered one of the many heroes of that day. San Francisco has officially designated September 16 Mark Bingham Day.

But of course, having people like him serving in the military would be contrary to the nation's values.

/

209 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:31:55pm

re: #203 Charles

They're going to go nuts when O'Donnell hits the stage.

She's the new Palin on the block.

New thread for the anointed?

210 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:33:00pm

re: #193 Lidane

They already make Reagan look like a liberal. Hell, Nixon's a bleeding heart pinko hippie and Goldwater's a RINO by their standards.

These people are insane.

This group now makes all of the following look like Commie Pinkos:

Reagan.
Goldwater.
Nixon.
Bush (either one).
WF Buckley.

I could go on, but the fact is that this group is lurching further to the right with each passing day thinking that this will gain them control of Congress.

They might yet take the House and even the Senate. Then, they'd have to govern. Will they be up to it and put their message to the test. I doubt it; they'll probably do like the Democrats before them and continue along the same track.

It's real easy to vilify the government when you're not a part of it, but when you're in the government, there isn't much left to vilify - which means that they'll be at loggerheads with the President and stalemate his agenda (which again explains why the Democrats were hoping to get as much of their agenda through in 2009 and 2010 because they knew that their window of opportunity could close thereafter).

I just figure that we'll see some moderation from the GOP if they regain the majority in the House and Senate (because they would have to deliver on stuff, rather than just block until 2012). If they retake only the House, they'll just block and keep to the crazy, because they will continue to think that this is what will get them reelected.

211 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:35:02pm

re: #206 allegro

Exactly right. This is the point, sweet pea. And they intend to be the judges and executioners. Literally.

It's insanty I tell you.

212 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:35:10pm

Come on, cut to the chase, Christine. What about masturbation?

213 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:36:40pm

Very bland speech so far.

Say something crazy already!

214 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:36:41pm

re: #190 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

These people look at theocracies and dictatorships as a license to do what they want rather than as an measure of what we should stand against.

RIAL

(Read It Again, Lizards)

215 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:36:49pm

I want to know why these people have the nerve to call themselves values voters. Their values are disgusting and reactionary.

216 Liberal Classic  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:37:22pm

re: #204 HappyWarrior

By the way does anyone find it funny that these so called value voters are probably the ones most concerned about "Sharia" law yet they want to implement their own religious values on the country.

To a certain extent, I think the Christian-values movement sees itself as both the bulwark against and an alternative to Islamic dominionism. I think they view secular culture as unable to resist encroaching Sharia law in Europe, and they believe that modern secular values such as democracy and freedom were been derived from Christianity.

217 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:37:24pm

re: #212 Charles

Come on, cut to the chase, Christine. What about masturbation?

Whats funny is I'm willing to bet that someone out there is masturbating to her speach as she gives it.

218 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:37:39pm

re: #215 HappyWarrior

I want to know why these people have the nerve to call themselves values voters. Their values are disgusting and reactionary.

I don't see how O'Donnell can refer to herself as one of the adults.

219 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:38:00pm

Christine O'Donnell is against tentacles that weasel their way.

220 TedStriker  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:38:03pm

re: #106 Petero1818

I believe he said Army wives wont let their kids visit their fathers on Family Day if there are gays there. Which seems perfectly logical//

Because the dreaded gheys will try to recruit the kids to become ghey too...

///

221 Sol Berdinowitz  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:38:19pm

re: #190 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

These people look at theocracies and dictatorships as a license to do what they want rather than as an measure of what we should stand against.

as long as it is the right theo

222 allegro  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:38:25pm

re: #215 HappyWarrior

I want to know why these people have the nerve to call themselves values voters. Their values are disgusting and reactionary.

LOL. Good point. They never actually claim that they spew values that are NOT evil so we can't rightly accuse them of false advertising.

223 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:38:39pm

re: #219 Charles

Christine O'Donnell is against tentacles that weasel their way.

Tentacle weasels are a vicious breed.

224 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:38:54pm

Pay your bills Christine!

225 allegro  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:39:25pm

re: #219 Charles

Christine O'Donnell is against tentacles that weasel their way.

That she is into manga wouldn't be surprising.

226 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:40:26pm

re: #216 Liberal Classic

To a certain extent, I think the Christian-values movement sees itself as both the bulwark against and an alternative to Islamic dominionism. I think they view secular culture as unable to resist encroaching Sharia law in Europe, and they believe that modern secular values such as democracy and freedom were been derived from Christianity.

Yeah I think you're right about that. I am just amazed that their answer to perceived religious extremism is more religious extremism.

227 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:40:27pm

re: #225 allegro

That she is into manga wouldn't be surprising.

MMM, put her in a Sailor Moon Costume, put on some Barry White.

I'm going to need a moment.

228 RadicalModerate  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:40:30pm

re: #219 Charles

Christine O'Donnell is against tentacles that weasel their way.

There's a line here about Japanese porn here, but I really can't find the words.

229 tnguitarist  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:41:12pm

I laugh every time they cry about Sharia law. Some of the views they have towards women almost fall in line with it.

230 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:42:13pm

re: #229 tnguitarist

I laugh every time they cry about Sharia law. Some of the views they have towards women almost fall in line with it.

Not just women but other minorities. The way they talk about secularists is creepy as hell.

231 allegro  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:42:13pm

re: #229 tnguitarist

I laugh every time they cry about Sharia law. Some of the views they have towards women almost fall in line with it.

Almost? Ever hear Phyllis Schlafly talk?

232 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:42:20pm

re: #223 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Tentacle weasels are a vicious breed.

Don't they grow into displacer beasts if one isn't careful in keeping them under control?

233 Obdicut  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:42:23pm

re: #229 tnguitarist

I laugh every time they cry about Sharia law. Some of the views they have towards women almost fall in line with it.

They resemble it a hell of a lot more than the liberals they're so mad at. It is really funny. They're against Sharia law, they're just for almost everything in Sharia law.

234 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:42:51pm

re: #229 tnguitarist

I laugh every time they cry about Sharia law. Some of the views they have towards women almost fall in line with it.

NO NO NO! Sharia law does it because they're godless heathens. They do it because they're trying to save your black worthless soul, you filthy sinner!

Get it right!

235 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:42:52pm

re: #233 Obdicut

They resemble it a hell of a lot more than the liberals they're so mad at. It is really funny. They're against Sharia law, they're just for almost everything in Sharia law.

Obama wants to implement sharia law and allow gays to marry!!!!!!!!!

236 researchok  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:43:02pm

I listened for a while and then turned it off.

No point in plumbing the depths of stupid.

237 allegro  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:43:13pm

I sense a strong rum and coke in my immediate future. Izzit 5:00 somewhere?

238 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:43:25pm

re: #232 oaktree

Don't they grow into displacer beasts if one isn't careful in keeping them under control?

Different breed, common mistake.

239 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:43:56pm

Sinclair Lewis was right:

“When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

Look at the increasing links between the people here and Stormfront and other neo-nazi groups. Is there any doubt left about the direction that the winners of conservatism headed?

240 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:44:01pm

"The anti-americanism that taints every aspect of the ruling class."

Hmm. So far she's mentioned tentacles and taints. Freudian.

241 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:44:03pm

The constitution is making a comeback.

Quick, get the Repeal Amendment!

242 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:44:34pm

re: #240 Charles

"The anti-americanism that taints every aspect of the ruling class."

Hmm. So far she's mentioned tentacles and taints. Freudian.

And meatballs, earlier.

243 engineer cat  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:44:48pm

MSNBC:
Watch live: Senate candidate Christine O'Donnell speaks at Values Voters Summit

i'm trying to come up with a word that means 'somebody who is a celebrity because they say crazy and/or stupid things'

it might very well look something like a weasel with tentacles...

244 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:44:58pm

re: #240 Charles

"The anti-americanism that taints every aspect of the ruling class."

Hmm. So far she's mentioned tentacles and taints. Freudian.

Tainted Tentacles. Vote Chthulu 2012!

245 RadicalModerate  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:45:06pm

"There's more of us than there are of them"

Only in your deranged dreams, O'Donnell.

246 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:45:22pm

re: #240 Charles

"The anti-americanism that taints every aspect of the ruling class."

Hmm. So far she's mentioned tentacles and taints. Freudian.


The ruling class? Sounds like Marxist language to me. ;)

247 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:45:42pm

re: #245 RadicalModerate

"There's more of us than there are of them"

Thats a lie

248 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:46:28pm

She can read a speech. She should teach Sarah about that "paper" stuff. Hands are so small.

249 engineer cat  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:46:31pm

joe mccarthy meets savanorola meets evita

250 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:46:32pm

re: #247 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thats a lie

You wish.

251 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:46:39pm

This is a woman who couple years ago was a fringe candidate. Now she's a centerpiece. I never thought I'd say this but George W Bush we hardly knew ye.

252 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:46:40pm

And when we say elites and a tainted ruling class, we don't mean us, the elites and professional ruling class speaking to you here today.

253 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:46:43pm

re: #237 allegro

I sense a strong rum and coke in my immediate future. Izzit 5:00 somewhere?

I'm considering what deviant activity I can get going tonight to counter what I've heard today. Take that American Taliban!

254 tnguitarist  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:46:49pm

Got a young'un to pick up from school. Later.

255 Winny Spencer  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:47:21pm

Palin who?

O'Donnell is Palin with extra everything.

256 Liberal Classic  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:47:37pm

re: #244 oaktree

Tainted Tentacles. Vote Chthulu 2012!

Why vote for the lesser evil?!

257 Winny Spencer  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:48:17pm

re: #255 Winny Spencer

And I don't mean in a good way, obviously.

258 TedStriker  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:48:29pm

re: #165 BigPapa

'the Creator is not Allah.'

The masks are not only off they got left at the door.

Nah, they got burned in the pile outside the door, along with all of the books they don't like...

259 bubba zanetti  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:49:15pm

re: #244 oaktree

Tainted Tentacles. Vote Chthulu 2012!

And if you misspell "ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" on your sign, nobody will notice.

260 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:50:32pm

What also amuses me is for years I've been told that I am a hyper-emotional liberal who bases my philosophy not on reason but on emotion. Well, this is exactly what the modern right has become. All emotional whining about gays, muslims, seculars, liberals, socialists, etc. There's no ideas. Only a bunch of bitching whiners.

261 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:50:35pm

Ergun Caner is the guy who lied about being a former jihadi.

262 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:50:56pm

re: #10 Lidane

But he also believes in smaller, more limited government, right?

Only insofar that government cannot interfere with rapacious business practices. Panty sniffing government agents in your bedroom and throwing glbt people into mandatory treatment programs are just dandy-fine-indeedy with this idiot.

263 RadicalModerate  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:51:27pm

re: #250 Cato the Elder

You wish.

So, you think the "value voters" fringe here is part of the majority?

264 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:51:29pm

The credo of cretins is stronger than man's poor ration of reason.

265 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:52:16pm

re: #260 HappyWarrior

What also amuses me is for years I've been told that I am a hyper-emotional liberal who bases my philosophy not on reason but on emotion. Well, this is exactly what the modern right has become. All emotional whining about gays, muslims, seculars, liberals, socialists, etc. There's no ideas. Only a bunch of bitching whiners.

I love how they scream over at Hannity and Malkin about victim based identity politics on the left.

I think Jung had a few things to say about projection...

266 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:53:27pm

re: #240 Charles

"The anti-americanism that taints every aspect of the ruling class."

Hmm. So far she's mentioned tentacles and taints. Freudian.

No. That's a Japanese hentai porn cartoon.

267 Sinistershade  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:53:59pm

re: #14 oaktree

Jefferson wasn't born as a US citizen, so he must have been some sort of commie socialist infiltrator. (So the Texas SBOE has the right idea in expunging him from the history books...)

/(black hole massive)

Jefferson had an anticolonial worldview.

268 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:54:14pm

re: #265 celticdragon

I love how they scream over at Hannity and Malkin about victim based identity politics on the left.

I think Jung had a few things to say about projection...

See, it's okay to claim persecution because you're Christian and White but if you're a minority and God forbid a Muslim, you're a leftist ideologue playing the race card. Utterly amazes me the way these people think.

269 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:54:54pm

Ergun Caner:

Caner has said that he was born in Sweden and raised as a devout Sunni Muslim in Turkey before converting to Christianity, after he moved to Ohio in 1968. In a November 2001 sermon at First Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Florida, he said that "Until I was 15 years old, I was in the Islamic youth jihad." In the same sermon, he said that "I was trained to do that which was done on 11 September, as were thousands of youth."[3] He also co-wrote a book with his younger brother Unveiling Islam: An Insider's Look at Muslim Life and Beliefs which said that his parents wed in Sweden and the family moved to Ohio when Caner was young. The divorce records of Caner's parents show that his family moved to Ohio when he was 3 or 4, contradicting Caner's claim of living as a teenager in Turkey.[4] Caner has co-authored several books with his brother Emir, president of Truett-McConnell College, a Baptist school in Cleveland, Georgia.

After bloggers began to post about discrepancies in his statements, in April 2010, Caner and others removed audio and video recordings of him on the internet that were being cited to support the claims against him,[5] and made changes to his personal website. [6] In one particular video, Caner appears not to be familiar with the basic testimonies of faith that anyone raised Muslim would know.

270 McSpiff  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:55:16pm

re: #268 HappyWarrior

See, it's okay to claim persecution because you're Christian and White but if you're a minority and God forbid a Muslim, you're a leftist ideologue playing the race card. Utterly amazes me the way these people think.

They dont. They react emotionally. Thats the alpha to omega of their ability.

271 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:55:30pm

re: #239 bloodstar

Sinclair Lewis was right:

“When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross.”

Look at the increasing links between the people here and Stormfront and other neo-nazi groups. Is there any doubt left about the direction that the winners of conservatism headed?

Another Civil War, I am increasingly afraid. I really think they mean it when they talk about civil insurrection while taking assault rifles to political rallies.

272 Lidane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:56:17pm

re: #270 McSpiff

They dont. They react emotionally. Thats the alpha to omega of their ability.

And yet they decry liberals as being ruled by their emotions and as blind to reason.

Talk about projection.

273 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:56:20pm

re: #223 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Tentacle weasels are a vicious breed.

Tentacle weasels!

Youtube Video
274 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:56:46pm

Hey all!

It's been a while, and I have to make some drive by comments.

First off, I truly wish everyone here well and I hope that the coming year brings you joy.

Second off...

Am I the only one who notices that the party of wealthy oil ticks, Wallstreet tycoons and business moguls, whines overmuch about who is elite?

Third off...

Ludwigs Law of political speak:

If it has an utterly wholesome name that sounds like no one could possibly be opposed to it, it is pure evil.

Consider:

The Clean Air Act of 2005! Who could be opposed to clean air? Except this is the bill with the Halliburton loopholes that allowed for unregulated fracking, massive increases in toxic chemicals in drinking water (by Federal standards) including a 100X increase in "accepted saftey" of things like arsenic, cyanide, strontium compounds and all sorts of truly toxic industrial chemicals with acronym names.

Values voters! Who could be opposed to voting on values? Except that these values include, misogyny, homophobia, race baiting, white supremacy, anti-science, anti-intellectualism, and the tearing down of protected liberties like separation of church and state.

The Heritage Foundation! This "think tank" is the home of pro oil, pro tobacco, anti- AGW, anti- evolution propaganda. They also are opposed to the federal government telling honest business men that they can not use foreign slave and child labor.

275 TedStriker  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:57:26pm

re: #240 Charles

"The anti-americanism that taints every aspect of the ruling class."

Hmm. So far she's mentioned tentacles and taints. Freudian.

That's it...she's into manga. Freaky...and for more than a few reasons...

276 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:57:28pm

re: #272 Lidane

And yet they decry liberals as being ruled by their emotions and as blind to reason.

Talk about projection.

See, prohibiting gay people from serving openly in the military because they may spread homosexuality to otehr soldiers= reason
Being okay with someone for being gay and not being judgemental to them-
liberal hysteric

277 Lidane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:58:07pm

re: #271 celticdragon

Another Civil War, I am increasingly afraid. I really think they mean it when they talk about civil insurrection while taking assault rifles to political rallies.

I'm still hopeful that more reasonable voices will prevail to stop that before it goes too far.

HOWEVER, I won't be surprised to see someone lose their shit and start firing should Obama win a second term.

278 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:58:11pm

re: #240 Charles

"The anti-americanism that taints every aspect of the ruling class."

Hmm. So far she's mentioned tentacles and taints. Freudian.

Notice how she (like other pols) constantly complain about the evils of the ruling elites and clutch their pearls at what a depraved shit-hole of corruption D.C. is, and then instantly turn around and beg for the votes they need in order to become part of it.

279 Mad Prophet Ludwig  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:58:39pm

re: #272 Lidane

And yet they decry liberals as being ruled by their emotions and as blind to reason.

Talk about projection.

The essence of these people is projection. They hate the values they tear down, while wrapping themselves in the flag and whining like sissies whenever they get called on their idiocy.

They insult like surly school children and whine about those evil libs saying mean things.

280 Max  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:58:58pm

Ergun Caner must be really, really unhappy in his marriage.

281 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:59:03pm

re: #277 Lidane

HOWEVER, I won't be surprised to see someone lose their shit and start firing should Obama win a second term republicans not take control of congress.

FTFY

282 Cheechako  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:59:21pm

Just a quick drive-by post. At 5:00 PM AK time Lisa Murkowski will hold a news conference in Alaska. She's expected to announce whether or not she will begin a write-in campaign for the AK Senate seat. No matter what she decides, I will be writing her name in. I actually think she could pull off a successfull write-in campaign.

283 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:59:29pm
...Those who have supported Caner in the past have largely disappeared. Prominent evangelicals Richard Land and Paige Patterson -- leaders in the Southern Baptist Convention who once trumpeted Caner's brand -- declined to comment. And experts on U.S. Muslim-Christian relations worry that Caner's rise, and the school's decision to retain him as a professor, reflects a negative, even hostile, attitude toward Muslims...
284 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 12:59:32pm

re: #280 Max D. Reinhardt

Ergun Caner must be really, really unhappy in his marriage.

And he can't even masturbate.

285 Lidane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:00:06pm

re: #281 Dreggas

Ugh. I hope not, but at this rate, I won't put anything past these lunatics.

286 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:00:06pm

re: #274 LudwigVanQuixote

The Heritage Foundation! This "think tank" is the home of pro oil, pro tobacco, anti- AGW, anti- evolution propaganda. They also are opposed to the federal government telling honest business men that they can not use foreign slave and child labor.


Like this?

The Abramoff trail also leads to the Marianas, a US territory in the Pacific that Congress exempted from the U.S. minimum wage and immigration laws. The islands are home to Chinese-owned factories, where low-wage workers were imported from China and the Philippines and forced into slave labor conditions, living in squalid shacks behind barbed wire, to produce "Made in the USA" goods. As pressure built in the mid-1990s for a bill to impose U.S. laws on the islands, Abramoff was pitching his client-the government of the Marianas-as a regulation-free paradise and taking lawmakers, including Former House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-TX), there on luxury junkets. "Capitol Crimes" lays out how Abramoff's influence with DeLay kept reform legislation from ever being debated on the floor of the House. Former Senator Frank Murkowski (R-AK), who sponsored legislation after seeing the appalling working conditions in the Marianas first hand, asks: "How could we have, in the United States, working conditions like this under the U.S. flag?"

[Link: www.pbs.org...]

287 RadicalModerate  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:00:49pm

re: #268 HappyWarrior

See, it's okay to claim persecution because you're Christian and White but if you're a minority and God forbid a Muslim, you're a leftist ideologue playing the race card. Utterly amazes me the way these people think.

Gary Bauer (one of today's keynote speakers) stated equivocally that American liberals and Islamic fundamentalists were brothers-in-arms.

[Link: www.rightwingwatch.org...]

Progressives and Islamists are indeed on the same side. Their common disdain for Christianity explains why left-wing judges in America find any inkling of Christianity in the public square unconstitutional, while Islamist judges in the Middle East deem it executable.

Their common view that life is expendable explains the left’s embrace abortion-on-demand and why the Islamists don’t hesitate to deploy their own children for homicide bombings.

Their common totalitarian impulse explains why each group has as its governing objective to render its subjects entirely dependent on the state for everything in their lives, from education to healthcare.

Never mind the fact that liberals oppose pretty much everything that said fundamentalists stand for....

288 Max  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:01:41pm

"We would rather lose than win and compromise truth."

Thank goodness. Puritanism is what made the Jose Antonio's fascist movement remain in obscurity.

289 Lidane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:01:56pm

re: #287 RadicalModerate

Never mind the fact that liberals oppose pretty much everything that said fundamentalists stand for...

Or that an Islamist nutjob isn't going to give a shit what an American liberal thinks about anything.

290 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:02:51pm

re: #271 celticdragon

Another Civil War, I am increasingly afraid. I really think they mean it when they talk about civil insurrection while taking assault rifles to political rallies.

We cracked on liberals for writing another 'strongly worded letter' and mocked them for wanting to move to another country if Bush was elected.

The problem is conservatives don't want to leave the country if it isn't going in the direction, they want to make everyone who disagrees with them leave. Or worse yet, if 'teh liberals' are elected, break the country up. by force if necessary.

I don't agree with either way really, but I'll take the Liberal's response over the conservative response any day.

291 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:02:58pm

re: #287 RadicalModerate

Gary Bauer (one of today's keynote speakers) stated equivocally that American liberals and Islamic fundamentalists were brothers-in-arms.

[Link: www.rightwingwatch.org...]

Never mind the fact that liberals oppose pretty much everything that said fundamentalists stand for...


I'm not surprised at all that he's spreading this lie. Seriously it amuses me that people like Bauer compare people like me to the Islamic fundamentalists yet decry our secular lifestyles. And it's funny that he compares the suicide bombings to abortion becuase Muslims fundamentalists aren't exactly the biggest supporters of abortion.

292 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:03:40pm

re: #275 talon_262

That's it...she's into manga. Freaky...and for more than a few reasons...

I couldn't bring myself to provide a link.

If anybody wants, they can google "tentacle hentai" and look for themselves.

Brain scrubs not provided. Not safe for work. Not safe at home. Not safe for sanity either.

293 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:04:26pm

re: #282 Cheechako

The first one in history?

294 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:10:46pm

re: #287 RadicalModerate

Unequivocally.

295 brownbagj  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:14:53pm

I do think the founders wanted separation of church and state not only for the good of the state, but also for the good of the church.

One's faith is between that person and their God.

Heck, as a Christian I believe in free will. Which means that legislating "faith" actually goes against what God would want - someone freely choosing to live their life and follow Christ because they choose to, not because they are forced to.

The founders truly were giants. They knew then that religion and politics makes one heckuva unholy union (pardon the pun).

If I choose to believe in Christ, or nothing at all, it is MY BUSINESS. It is NOT the business of the state, and frankly I would be scared to death if it were.

296 Jadespring  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:17:38pm

Well can't say I really wanted to watch this. Reading things here is enough.

So legislating morality appears to be an underlying theme. So how do they figure it's all going to work exactly? With some things like abortion and gays in the military just ban and the enforcement while odious isn't outside the realm of being possible and semi successful. It's the other stuff the gets me, I mean how on earth do people like O'Donnell figure other stuff like people having wrong sex or her (anti) pet issue is going to be enforced IF in some weird world they can some how 'legislate' it. I'm assuming they just don't think that far ahead or maybe that assumption is my own safety mechanism because I just don't want to or just can't imagine what they imagine the 'enforcement' part of these morality laws would look like.

On a lighter note if by some twist of reality people with views like O'Donnell actually get their dreams of a legislated morally sound American wonderland I've thought up of a bunch of business opportunities to take advantage of my geographic location. First thing I will do is buy a nice hotel/bed and breakfast somewhere along the boarders where people who like 'pets' can come and indulge safely and without fear of the pet gestapo.

Gives the policy "Pets accepted" a whole other meaning. :D

297 Coachrichard  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:18:35pm

re: #48 Lidane

Speaking of DADT:

[Video]

I'm not a big fan of Lady Gaga's music, but my God do I admire her as an American and a human being.

298 webevintage  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:21:31pm

re: #255 Winny Spencer

Palin who?

O'Donnell is Palin with extra everything.

How soon before Palin comes out with some crazy ass facebook post to make sure everyone is paying attention to her and not Christine?

O'Donnell seems to be another of these evangelical grifters who have figured out how to part fools from their money by running for office.

299 tnguitarist  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:41:06pm

re: #295 brownbagj

I do think the founders wanted separation of church and state not only for the good of the state, but also for the good of the church


I've said this to my church-going friends many times. If the church is involved in the government, which church is it? Which denomination? They would be at war with each other before it even got off the ground.

300 RadicalModerate  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:03:41pm

re: #294 Cato the Elder

Yeah, spell-checker seems to have over-corrected there.

301 deranged cat  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:09:02pm

re: #298 webevintage

How soon before Palin comes out with some crazy ass facebook post to make sure everyone is paying attention to her and not Christine?

O'Donnell seems to be another of these evangelical grifters who have figured out how to part fools from their money by running for office.

itll be a post about how O'Donnel should reload or some other gun metaphor, hence giving attention to both Palin AND O'Donnel


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