Values Voter Summit Features Fake Ex-Jihadi

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Here’s another thread to discuss the fundamentalist convention called the Values Voter Summit, as fake ex-jihadi Ergun Caner takes the stage:

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Some background information on Ergun Caner:

Caner has said that he was born in Sweden and raised as a devout Sunni Muslim in Turkey before converting to Christianity, after he moved to Ohio in 1968. In a November 2001 sermon at First Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Florida, he said that “Until I was 15 years old, I was in the Islamic youth jihad.” In the same sermon, he said that “I was trained to do that which was done on 11 September, as were thousands of youth.” He also co-wrote a book with his younger brother Unveiling Islam: An Insider’s Look at Muslim Life and Beliefs which said that his parents wed in Sweden and the family moved to Ohio when Caner was young. The divorce records of Caner’s parents show that his family moved to Ohio when he was 3 or 4, contradicting Caner’s claim of living as a teenager in Turkey. Caner has co-authored several books with his brother Emir, president of Truett-McConnell College, a Baptist school in Cleveland, Georgia.

After bloggers began to post about discrepancies in his statements, in April 2010, Caner and others removed audio and video recordings of him on the internet that were being cited to support the claims against him, and made changes to his personal website. In one particular video, Caner appears not to be familiar with the basic testimonies of faith that anyone raised Muslim would know.

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1 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:00:52pm

as the sign at the entrance of the Creation Museum says "Don't think, believe."

2 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:01:06pm

So, lying to Nazis to protect Jews bad, lying about your experiences in Islam to badmouth all Muslims, jump on board and speak at our summit.

3 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:01:40pm

re: #2 HappyWarrior

You betcha!

4 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:02:14pm

Remember the Good Ole Days when the highlight of this event would just have been Coulter saying something stupid to get attention.

5 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:02:56pm

re: #4 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Now it's everyone trying to out stupid each other.

6 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:03:47pm

I find his presence at this event kind of similar to when Ahmedinijad had those lunatic Jews from the Neturei Karta at the Holocaust denial conference.

7 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:03:56pm

He's telling them to emulate a Christian martyr?

Whut?

8 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:04:01pm

re: #5 Dreggas

Now it's everyone trying to out stupid each other.

The fact they keep succeeding makes it even more impressive.

9 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:04:40pm

re: #7 Charles

He's telling them to emulate a Christian martyr?

Whut?

Someone listens to Lou Engle.

Well, besided Newt, Huckabee and Palin.

And Beck.

10 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:06:20pm

Nothing like a convert to make Christians feel like they are right when denigrating others.

11 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:06:26pm

re: #7 Charles

so they will let us feed them to the lions and not resist?

12 lawhawk  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:06:57pm

I'm out for a bit - so let me wish everyone a Happy and Sweet New Year, L'shana Tova, and an easy fast for those who will be fasting for Yom Kippur.

13 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:07:08pm

re: #5 Dreggas

Now it's everyone trying to out stupid each other.

When does Tarquin Fin Tim Lim Bim Sim Pim Bus Stop F'tang F'tang Ole Biscuit Barrel speak?

14 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:07:18pm

re: #12 lawhawk

And to you.

15 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:07:45pm

re: #8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Impressive in the same way a black hole going into an active feeding cycle is impressive. Sure it's going to take a while but eventually it will swallow everything around it.

16 Max  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:08:07pm

Here we go. GROUND ZERO MEGA-MOSQUE!! STOP PERSECUTING CHRISTIANS!!

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17 comradebillyboy  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:08:17pm

If he was a Turkish jihadi, he would most likely be either dead or in a Turkish prison. The Turkish government doesn't really like religious extremists and has been known to vigorously suppress them.

18 researchok  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:08:18pm

re: #15 Dreggas

Impressive in the same way a black hole going into an active feeding cycle is impressive. Sure it's going to take a while but eventually it will swallow everything around it.

It will starve.

There is nothing of substance to consume.

19 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:08:26pm

Ah yes, believers in Jesus Christ are the most oppressed people ever....//

20 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:08:42pm

re: #13 negativ

He's up after the ex-gay man who had 3 abortions before he saw the light.

21 Max  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:08:55pm

According to Caner, America is the only country that allows dissonance.

Sheesh! Get a freakin passport.

22 elizajane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:10:05pm

re: #21 Max D. Reinhardt

According to Caner, America is the only country that allows dissonance.

Sheesh! Get a freakin passport.

Lots of countries allow dissidents, but cognitive dissonance is brought to us in special, big heaps by the Values Voters.

23 Max  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:10:32pm

This sounds more like a mega-church than a political conference.

24 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:10:39pm

re: #19 Petero1818

They use Christ's persecution to claim they, themselves, are persecuted.

25 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:11:07pm

He sure made it sound like a little Muslim kid is unlovable.

26 Lidane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:11:11pm

re: #23 Max D. Reinhardt

This sounds more like a mega-church than a political conference.

That's because for these lunatics, there's no difference between the two.

27 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:11:19pm

re: #23 Max D. Reinhardt

Well duh, it pretty much is. These people have found a way to conflate the two.

28 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:11:25pm

Oh this is going to be great. Dale Peterson.

29 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:12:06pm

re: #25 wrenchwench

Just because his mom had to tie a pork chop around his neck to get the dog to play with him doesn't mean everyone else went through the same thing.

30 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:12:09pm

The stupid is going to win.

31 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:12:21pm

A full out nut in a cowboy hat. Been waiting for this moment.

32 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:12:27pm

re: #15 Dreggas

Impressive in the same way a black hole going into an active feeding cycle is impressive. Sure it's going to take a while but eventually it will swallow everything around it.

A quantum singularity of teh soopid.

33 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:12:35pm

Where is his sidearm

34 Max  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:12:39pm

Peterson lost his primary anyway for friggin Agricultural Commissioner! What's this loser doing at a major political conference?

35 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:12:53pm

re: #32 celticdragon


The Wingularity (TM John Cole/Balloon-juice.)

36 Max  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:13:29pm

Here we go.

37 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:13:33pm

re: #32 celticdragon

A quantum singularity of teh soopid.

You can actually see coherent thought struggling to escape the accretion disk.

38 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:13:39pm

It's like they all take bets at the pub the night before.
"So which one of you guys wants to make the most outrageous statement possible,"
"All right Palin you got the shortest straw, you have to compare the Obama Administration to Josef Mengele and do ten shots of tequila."

39 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:13:44pm

re: #31 Charles

A full out nut in a cowboy hat. Been waiting for this moment.

Image: ken_salazar_33.jpg

40 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:13:56pm

re: #28 Charles

Oh this is going to be great. Dale Peterson.

Does he have his .30-30 and some kids stealing campaign signs he can shoot on stage?

41 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:14:09pm

I just can't get past how high his Jeans are riding.

42 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:14:19pm

re: #21 Max D. Reinhardt

According to Caner, America is the only country that allows dissonance.

Sheesh! Get a freakin passport.

Huh. Stravinsky, Varese, Schoenberg Penderecki... all fur'ners. As far as I know, the only one ever arrested for dissonance was Stravinsky, and ironically enough, that happened in Boston.

43 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:14:24pm

"We got a President of the United States who doesn't like America ... trying to bring down America ... he makes my skin crawl."

44 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:15:11pm

re: #37 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You can actually see coherent thought struggling to escape the accretion disk.

The gravity well is gettin' mighty steep, here...!

45 McSpiff  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:15:56pm

This is the worst parody of the American Right I've ever seen. The Dailyshow really needs to get its act togea-- Wait what?

///

46 jaunte  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:16:00pm

"LISSEN UP!"

47 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:16:11pm

re: #43 Charles

"We got a(n uppity black man as) President of the United States who doesn't like America ... trying to bring down America ... he makes my skin crawl."

Unspoken subtext added.

48 McSpiff  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:16:19pm

What comes after a trillion...lmao oh wow

49 Lidane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:16:43pm

re: #43 Charles

Translation: The President's too dark for my tastes, so I'm going to rant and rave about how he's trying to destroy us all.

What a bunch of loons.

50 researchok  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:17:04pm

nice fence.

51 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:17:14pm

re: #48 McSpiff

What comes after a trillion...lmao oh wow

Wish I could stream this... er... maybe not.

52 wrenchwench  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:17:43pm

Both his videos end with a view of two horses' asses.

53 jaunte  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:17:59pm

We've got to move on three fronts: Air, Land, and Sea!
As you can see, I've used three fingers to keep the count clear.

54 Winny Spencer  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:18:23pm

Nirth certifikit!

55 Lidane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:18:34pm

re: #52 wrenchwench

Both his videos end with a view of two horses' asses.

Who ends a video with two pictures of himself?

56 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:19:02pm

re: #55 Lidane

Who ends a video with two pictures of himself?

A narcissist not named Barack Obama?

57 TedStriker  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:19:14pm

re: #55 Lidane

Who ends a video with two pictures of himself?

A vain person...

58 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:19:30pm

re: #46 jaunte

"LISSEN UP!"

GET OFF MY LAWN!

59 Locker  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:19:33pm

re: #48 McSpiff

What comes after a trillion...lmao oh wow

[Link: www.jimloy.com...]

60 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:20:13pm

The loons are going to triumph.

You read it here first.

61 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:20:20pm

What's a guy who ran for agircultural comissioner doing at a values conference anyhow?

62 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:20:21pm

re: #47 celticdragon

Unspoken subtext added.

Let me adjust that unspoken subtext...

"We got the (first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.) and President of the United States who doesn't like America ... trying to bring down America ... he makes my skin crawl."

63 Max  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:20:50pm

"We got a guy who hates America, I'm just gonna say it."

64 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:21:02pm

It almost makes me cry...tear the country down...Obama hates America.

Christ. Un-frakking-real.

65 jaunte  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:21:25pm

This right wing radical hypocrite is now waxing maudlin over the endangered Constitution.

66 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:21:28pm

Is it just me or is the feed choppy as hell?

67 Lidane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:21:35pm

re: #61 HappyWarrior

What's a guy who ran for agircultural comissioner doing at a values conference anyhow?

He's a natural fit. Any guy that steeped in real bullshit would know his way around a values conference.

68 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:21:38pm

Off air! Was he about to give out his phone number?

69 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:21:39pm

Oh I thought he was going to give out his phone number. What happened.

70 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:22:10pm

re: #67 Lidane

He's a natural fit. Any guy that steeped in real bullshit would know his way around a values conference.

Haha quite true.

71 Max  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:22:16pm

Only a few whistling teabaggers in the crowd.

72 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:22:30pm

I think they cut the end of his speech when he started to say his phone number.

73 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:22:56pm

re: #72 Charles

I think they cut the end of his speech when he started to say his phone number.

That may be the first smart thing I have seen today.

74 researchok  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:23:06pm

They're back...

75 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:23:09pm

Another overweight, pasty ,balding white guy.

76 Max  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:23:23pm

Unbelievable. A man from the white supremacist-affiliated, Family Research Council, is putting the Tea Party "movement" on par with the Civil Rights movement.

Just gagged a little bit.

77 researchok  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:23:52pm

Maybe someone figured out LGF was tuned in...

78 Lidane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:24:07pm

re: #75 celticdragon

Another overweight, pasty ,balding white guy.

Other than the Fake Jihadi and the Anti-Wanker, has there been anyone else speaking at this thing?

79 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:24:15pm

re: #76 Max D. Reinhardt

Unbelievable. A man from the white supremacist-affiliated, Family Research Council, is putting the Tea Party "movement" on par with the Civil Rights movement.

Just gagged a little bit.

Agh you ain't kidding. Ironic as hell too as a lot of them like Rand Paul believe the Civil Rights Acts were wrong.

80 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:24:16pm

re: #76 Max D. Reinhardt

Unbelievable. A man from the white supremacist-affiliated, (rabidly gay hating and theocratic/Dominionist) Family Research Council, is putting the Tea Party "movement" on par with the Civil Rights movement.

Just gagged a little bit.

81 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:24:17pm

re: #66 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Is it just me or is the feed choppy as hell?

Maybe the video is fine, but it's having a deleterious effect on your nervous system.

82 brennant  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:24:27pm

Healthcare! Rammed down our throats! GAH!

83 Max  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:24:54pm

re: #82 brennant

Healthcare! Rammed down our throats! GAH!

You've gotta love their sexual diction.

84 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:25:34pm

re: #82 brennant

Healthcare! Rammed down our throats! GAH!

You know that damn democratic throat ramming thingy..

85 webevintage  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:26:21pm

So this guy is another in a long line of Evangelical grifters using lies as a way to get money from fools?
I guess it is a good living if one can stand it.....

86 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:26:38pm

re: #84 Petero1818

You know that damn democratic throat ramming thingy..

Add obvious joke here.
/

87 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:27:05pm

Sleeping giants...minding their own business...are on teevee...government not in charge of us...

Except when they decide to be in charge of non Christians, glbt or brown skinned people who shouldn't be Americans.

88 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:27:19pm

God is talking to all of them. What a coincidence.

89 Max  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:27:20pm

God is using this teabagger as a puppet to contact the atheist Senator Arlen Spector!

Ugh!

90 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:27:43pm

re: #83 Max D. Reinhardt

You've gotta love their sexual diction.

They really like erotic imagery, don't they?

91 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:27:59pm

Mowing the lawn with a gun???

92 mikhailtheplumber  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:28:08pm

As far as I am concerned, my cat's birthday is the most important thing happening today. These crazy folks are just giving a hyper-caffeinated version of their usual anti-everything-but-the-Bible-and-Second-Amendment drivel.

Happy Birthday, Mr. Goldstein!

93 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:28:53pm

Flatus Americanus conservativus blows like a stinky tornado through the land.

94 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:29:04pm

Has Bryan Fischer spoke yet? Or is he out looking for Muslims to have incestual sex with?

95 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:29:11pm

We have a lot of hits coming in from this British secularist site:

[Link: www.secularism.org.uk...]

96 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:29:22pm

Never would have guessed that this woman was just sitting on the counch when god spoke to her.

97 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:29:36pm

re: #94 HappyWarrior

Has Bryan Fischer spoke yet? Or is he out looking for Muslims to have incestual sex with?

Bryan Fischer's speech is tomorrow.

98 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:29:56pm

re: #95 Charles

We have a lot of hits coming in from this British secularist site:

[Link: www.secularism.org.uk...]

Our friends across the pond are getting concerned as well. I can't blame them.

99 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:29:59pm

re: #97 Charles

Bryan Fischer's speech is tomorrow.

Ah didn't realize this was a multiday affair. Thanks.

100 Winny Spencer  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:30:22pm

A tea party in Norway? WTF!

101 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:30:34pm

re: #96 Petero1818

Never would have guessed that this woman was just sitting on the counch when god spoke to her.

I guess she was lucky not to be on the road to Damascus.

102 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:30:50pm

It's time to call these people what they are: They're not conservatives. They're reactionaries.

103 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:31:40pm

An awful lot of throat shoving. Call a paramedic.

104 Max  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:31:49pm

"They're shoving Obamacare down our throats."

Drink.

105 elizajane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:31:57pm

re: #90 celticdragon

They really like erotic imagery, don't they?

If they follow the Fair Christine, imagery is all the erotic they're going to get.

106 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:32:16pm

re: #103 celticdragon

An awful lot of throat shoving. Call a paramedic.

Or the Dorm supervisor!

107 Max  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:32:18pm

Take a shot every time they say "shove down our throats."

108 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:32:45pm

Yes please pick up the signs. We love the signs.

109 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:32:51pm

re: #106 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Or the Dorm supervisor!

I'm still laughing! :D

110 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:32:57pm

re: #107 Max D. Reinhardt

Take a shot every time they say "shove down our throats."

Are you trying to get people here alcohol poisoning :)?

111 Lidane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:33:16pm

re: #90 celticdragon

They really like erotic imagery, don't they?

Only if you don't show it in a coed dorm orgy room. And if you don't enjoy it, or masturbate to it.

112 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:33:33pm

re: #110 HappyWarrior

Are you trying to get people here alcohol poisoning :)?

Been there, done that.
///

113 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:33:35pm

"The Quack shall, in all ages, come in for his share."
--Carlyle

114 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:33:43pm

I was wondering... when was the last time one of these social conservative fundamentalist politicians were able to get a federal law passed that supported their ideology?

115 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:33:49pm

Oops! Freudian slip with the names!

116 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:34:24pm

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

I was wondering... when was the last time one of these social conservative fundamentalist politicians were able to get a federal law passed that supported their ideology?

DADT and DOMA come to mind.

117 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:34:28pm

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

I was wondering... when was the last time one of these social conservative fundamentalist politicians were able to get a federal law passed that supported their ideology?

just a guess..ban on funding for stem cell research

118 Max  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:34:40pm

Since when is putting down the anti-masturbation movement considered a "personal attack?"

119 Lidane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:34:50pm

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

September 21, 1996

120 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:35:03pm

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

I was wondering... when was the last time one of these social conservative fundamentalist politicians were able to get a federal law passed that supported their ideology?

They managed to hold back embryonic stem cell research for years.

121 TedStriker  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:35:06pm

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

I was wondering... when was the last time one of these social conservative fundamentalist politicians were able to get a federal law passed that supported their ideology?

The Defense of Marriage Act...

122 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:35:44pm

re: #118 Max D. Reinhardt

Since when is putting down the anti-masturbation movement considered a "personal attack?"

She is framing any examination of O'Donnell's past statements and actions as a personal attack.

123 Max  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:36:28pm

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

Ban on federal funding for human cloning.

124 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:36:47pm

re: #122 celticdragon

She is framing any examination of O'Donnell's past statements and actions as a personal attack.

How dare they! She's as pure as second virginity snow!

125 Henchman 25  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:37:01pm

Repeat from the LGF Page:

As someone who suffers from the system because of my own pre-existing condition, fuck you Huckabee.

126 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:37:30pm

What is wrong with personal attacks as long as your opponent is a person?

127 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:37:34pm

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

I was wondering... when was the last time one of these social conservative fundamentalist politicians were able to get a federal law passed that supported their ideology?

OK untrasound law.

128 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:37:52pm

re: #116 celticdragon

DADT and DOMA come to mind.

Bill Clinton comes to mind...

The policy was introduced as a compromise measure in 1993 by then-President Bill Clinton who campaigned on the promise to allow all citizens to serve in the military regardless of sexual orientation.[12]

129 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:38:01pm

Can we just throw a net over this entire summit and put them all in a 48 hour hold at a psych hospital? :D

130 Lidane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:38:11pm

re: #118 Max D. Reinhardt

Since when is putting down the anti-masturbation movement considered a "personal attack?"

Since we're all just teasing her and not offering to help take care of the problem.

131 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:38:15pm

re: #127 Stanley Sea

OK untrasound law.

Federal?

132 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:38:44pm

Nope. Don't bail out any banks in a financial emergency where businesses can't make payrol or get inventory.

Another depression would be teh awesome.

133 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:38:48pm

re: #129 WindUpBird

They are going to win.

134 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:39:14pm

re: #127 Stanley Sea

OK untrasound law.


I wish it was the unknown untrasound.

135 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:39:16pm

re: #128 Walter L. Newton

Bill Clinton comes to mind...

The policy was introduced as a compromise measure in 1993 by then-President Bill Clinton who campaigned on the promise to allow all citizens to serve in the military regardless of sexual orientation.[12]

And again... (DOMA)

The bill was passed by Congress by a vote of 85–14 in the Senate[1] and a vote of 342–67 in the House of Representatives,[2] and was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on September 21, 1996.

136 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:39:21pm

re: #128 Walter L. Newton

Bill Clinton comes to mind...

The policy was introduced as a compromise measure in 1993 by then-President Bill Clinton who campaigned on the promise to allow all citizens to serve in the military regardless of sexual orientation.[12]

It was pressure from the SOCONS.

137 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:39:31pm

re: #114 Walter L. Newton

I was wondering... when was the last time one of these social conservative fundamentalist politicians were able to get a federal law passed that supported their ideology?

Federal law or state law?

Does it not count when it's state law mandating ultrasounds for abortions or making it almost impossible to get an abortion in a state?

138 Max  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:39:52pm

"We're putting God back into the United States of America again."

I just checked my wallet, he's still on my money. He was still in my Pledge of Allegiance this morning too.

139 Lidane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:40:01pm

re: #135 Walter L. Newton

Which party was in control of Congress back then? My memory seems to be slipping.

140 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:40:03pm

re: #133 Cato the Elder

They are going to win.

Oh I'm ready for it, the crazy in America is really ramping up

141 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:40:19pm

re: #137 WindUpBird

Federal law or state law?

Does it not count when it's state law mandating ultrasounds for abortions or making it almost impossible to get an abortion in a state?

I asked a question about federal laws. Does it not count when I ask a question that I don't expect a deflection?

142 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:40:51pm

re: #138 Max D. Reinhardt

"We're putting God back into the United States of America again."

I just checked my wallet, he's still on my money. He was still in my Pledge of Allegiance this morning too.

hahaha oh yeah that's right our muslim black president stole God away

Praise the crazy!

143 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:41:08pm

re: #141 Walter L. Newton

I asked a question about federal laws. Does it not count when I ask a question that I don't expect a deflection?

I'm just curious why it's all about federal law exclusively

144 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:41:28pm

God is going to fix the economy

145 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:41:37pm

re: #139 Lidane

Which party was in control of Congress back then? My memory seems to be slipping.

Funny how that shit works :D

146 Max  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:41:55pm

The root cause of big government is a government that doesn't legislate morality? Huh? Am I misunderstanding her?

147 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:42:09pm

re: #144 Petero1818

God is going to fix the economy

And he'll swoop down from the heavens and pick up all the believers and take them to a magical place where they won't have to understand anything

148 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:42:12pm

What I don't get are these claims of religious persecution. The old joke I've always heard is that everyone becomes a believer in God during a pop quiz. I'm sick of the lies that these people spread. They say time and time again you're not allowed to pray in public school which is such bs. I've done it. Yeah it wasn't a forced group prayer but that's different and besides what's special at all about a prayer that is forced? And I still wear my St. Patrick medallion every day without reprucussion.

149 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:42:19pm

Oh my God.

We have to have moral leadership from God guiding the country.

The social theocratic Dominionists are here.

150 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:42:27pm

re: #144 Petero1818

God is going to fix the economy

Thats a relief. I was afraid douchebags like the ones speaking were planning to fuck it up even more.
/

151 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:42:31pm

re: #146 Max D. Reinhardt

The root cause of big government is a government that doesn't legislate morality? Huh? Am I misunderstanding her?

Do not attempt to reason out the crazy

There's a reason it's called crazy :D

152 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:42:33pm

re: #139 Lidane

Which party was in control of Congress back then? My memory seems to be slipping.

My original question was... "when was the last time one of these social conservative fundamentalist politicians were able to get a federal law passed that supported their ideology"

It seems to me by some of the answers (DADT and DOMA)... that these laws were in the least a compromise by players on both sides of the aisles...

And.. who is in power now... and why haven't these laws been changed?

153 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:42:34pm

Witness the jactitation of a sick body politic.

154 Max  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:42:39pm

re: #144 Petero1818

God is going to fix the economy

I think she just paraphrased you.

155 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:42:48pm

re: #147 WindUpBird

And he'll swoop down from the heavens and pick up all the believers and take them to a magical place where they won't have to understand anything

Disney Land?

cool!!

(I just hope God doesn't make me wait in three hour lines!)

156 Charles Johnson  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:43:00pm

God woke her up at 4 in the morning, to tell her that America doesn't love him enough. Sent her on a mission.

She's on a teabagging mission from God himself.

157 jaunte  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:43:08pm

re: #148 HappyWarrior

It's a major motivator for people who feel victimized because they're not in control of everyone else.

158 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:43:21pm

re: #150 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Thats a relief. I was afraid douchebags like the ones speaking were planning to fuck it up even more.
/

With the people in charge now, I don't think thats possible!

159 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:43:23pm

re: #149 celticdragon

Oh my God.

We have to have moral leadership from God guiding the country.

The social theocratic Dominionists are here.

Well, they ain't guiding Oregon, the dominionist wackos never really got a foothold here :D

160 Lidane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:43:32pm

re: #152 Walter L. Newton

My original question was... "when was the last time one of these social conservative fundamentalist politicians were able to get a federal law passed that supported their ideology"

Your question was answered. You just don't like the answer.

161 Max  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:43:33pm

She's jingling the change cup now.

162 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:43:39pm

re: #156 Charles

God woke her up at 4 in the morning, to tell her that America doesn't love him enough. Sent her on a mission.

She's on a teabagging mission from God himself.

She needs a suit, a pork pie hat and some sunglasses.

163 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:43:42pm

re: #146 Max D. Reinhardt

The root cause of big government is a government that doesn't legislate morality? Huh? Am I misunderstanding her?

But wouldnt a government legislating morality be even larger and more intrusive?

164 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:43:50pm

re: #156 Charles

God woke her up at 4 in the morning, to tell her that America doesn't love him enough. Sent her on a mission.

She's on a teabagging mission from God himself.

God didn't wake up... there is no god.

165 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:43:56pm

re: #155 sattv4u2

Disney Land?

cool!!

(I just hope God doesn't make me wait in three hour lines!)

Keep away from Space Mountain.

166 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:43:58pm

re: #153 Cato the Elder

Witness the jactitation of a sick body politic.

that's a great word, I had to look it up

167 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:44:12pm

re: #165 Cannadian Club Akbar

Keep away from Space Mountain.

Rick Flair !?!?!

168 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:44:29pm

re: #166 WindUpBird

that's a great word, I had to look it up

which one!?!?!

///

169 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:44:34pm

re: #164 Walter L. Newton

God didn't wake up... there is no god.

Here we go again...

170 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:44:45pm

re: #163 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But wouldnt a government legislating morality be even larger and more intrusive?

THE CRAZY IS ALL POWERFUL, DO NOT ATTEMPT TO ADJUST YOUR SET

UP IS DOWN AND DOGS ARE CATS

EVERYBODY RUMBA

171 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:44:48pm

re: #147 WindUpBird

That place is known as Dallas.

172 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:44:52pm

re: #160 Lidane

Your question was answered. You just don't like the answer.

I do like the answer. It seems that both sides of the aisle has been responsible for laws like DOMA and DADT (both which I don't support)... you just don't like that fact.

173 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:45:21pm

re: #163 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

But wouldnt a government legislating morality be even larger and more intrusive?

It's different because it's Christian morality. Seriously this is exactly why I don't get these people. Bellyache about the size of the government and I may even agree with them their on some levels but then they want to legislate their morality which will drastically expand the government.

174 mikhailtheplumber  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:45:21pm

re: #135 Walter L. Newton

And again... (DOMA)

The bill was passed by Congress by a vote of 85–14 in the Senate[1] and a vote of 342–67 in the House of Representatives,[2] and was signed into law by President Bill Clinton on September 21, 1996.

So what? You asked:

when was the last time one of these social conservative fundamentalist politicians were able to get a federal law passed that supported their ideology?

The fact that Clinton did not veto it and the law passed shows that "these social conservative fundamentalist politicians were able to get a federal law passed that supported their ideology."

175 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:45:23pm

re: #169 Petero1818

Here we go again...

on our own, rolling down the only road we've ever known?

176 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:45:32pm

re: #171 Cato the Elder

That place is known as Dallas.

ahahah okay that was damned funny :D

177 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:45:37pm

re: #171 Cato the Elder

That place is known as Dallas.

Not the way the Cowboys played Sunday, it isn't!

178 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:46:21pm

re: #174 mikhailtheplumber

So what? You asked:

The fact that Clinton did not veto it and the law passed shows that "these social conservative fundamentalist politicians were able to get a federal law passed that supported their ideology."

With the help of the democrats.

179 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:46:24pm

My dog is a tea party person? Thats fucked up.

180 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:46:33pm

Look at me like a specimen? Don't tread on me sign?


LMAO! Persecution complex!

181 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:46:41pm

re: #174 mikhailtheplumber

So what? You asked:

The fact that Clinton did not veto it and the law passed shows that "these social conservative fundamentalist politicians were able to get a federal law passed that supported their ideology."

It's almost as if the fundies have enough influence to lean on conservative and moderate democrats and get their way after spreading lunacy, bigotry and misinformation!

182 Max  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:46:44pm

The Teabag organizer that has called for legislating morality is now saying that Christie O'Donnell was a major step towards "restoration."

183 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:47:06pm

re: #179 Petero1818

My dog is a tea party person? Thats fucked up.

Wha,,, you thought he was just a regular person!?!?!

184 Max  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:47:07pm

Let the Rove-bashing begin.

185 Lidane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:47:09pm

re: #172 Walter L. Newton

You'd have to be dealing in facts for me to like them or not like them.

Both DOMA and DADT are socially conservative pieces of legislation. They answer your question just fine.

You're just wanting to argue because you're changing the terms of the question. You didn't say anything about it only having to be signed/passed by Republicans. You just asked when the last time any laws that favored these people and their ideology were passed.

186 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:47:35pm

re: #183 sattv4u2

Wha,,, you thought he was just a regular person!?!?!

No I always knew she was special

187 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:47:39pm

re: #182 Max D. Reinhardt

The Teabag organizer that has called for legislating morality is now saying that Christie O'Donnell was a major step towards "restoration."

face/desk

Damn.

188 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:48:26pm

re: #181 WindUpBird

It's almost as if the fundies have enough influence to lean on conservative and moderate democrats and get their way after spreading lunacy, bigotry and misinformation!

Oh come on... even I wouldn't go that far to imply that Democrats are that stupid to fall for all the lunacy, bigotry and misinformation. Cut them some slack.

189 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:48:57pm

re: #144 Petero1818

God is going to fix the economy

I guess a lot depends on what sort of economy God wants...

190 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:49:03pm

re: #178 Walter L. Newton

With the help of the democrats.

yep!

There are certainly democrats who are just as big into the fundie psycho line as Republicans, or who are vulnerable to it when they're say, facing a Republican congress, as Clinton was.

And I really would like for those Democrats to be voted out and eventually replaced with Democrats who don't prattle on about superstitous nonsense.

But it is clear and obvious to anyone with a brain in their skull that the dominionist bigot loons have far far far far far far more influence over Republicans than they do democrats

191 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:49:06pm

re: #188 Walter L. Newton

Oh come on... even I wouldn't go that far to imply that Democrats are that stupid to fall for all the lunacy, bigotry and misinformation. Cut them some slack.

Yes they are

Wait ,, WHAT !?!?!?

//

192 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:49:10pm

re: #187 celticdragon

face/desk

Damn.

Image: FaceDesk.gif

193 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:49:11pm

Accountability plan: They are going to put shock collars on their candidates and when they have lust in their heart, or vote to raise taxes, they are gonna shock the hell out of them.

194 mikhailtheplumber  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:49:35pm

re: #178 Walter L. Newton

With the help of the democrats.

Yes, with a compromise with the democrats in exchange of who knows what. So? You only asked for ideologically-based federal laws pushed by these people who became law.

Now, if you had asked "when was the last time one of these social conservative fundamentalist politicians were able to get a federal law passed that supported their ideology without any assistance from the other side of the aisle or outside support?", your objection about Clinton would make sense.

195 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:49:39pm

re: #189 oaktree

I guess a lot depends on what sort of economy God wants...

One based on Pearls

That way, "His" gates are worth more!

196 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:49:40pm

re: #189 oaktree

I guess a lot depends on what sort of economy God wants...

An AMERICAN one of course.

197 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:49:55pm

re: #156 Charles

God woke her up at 4 in the morning, to tell her that America doesn't love him enough. Sent her on a mission.

She's on a teabagging mission from God himself.

I expect her to announce that the band is getting back together next.

198 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:49:55pm

re: #193 Petero1818

Accountability plan: They are going to put shock collars on their candidates and when they have lust in their heart, or vote to raise taxes, they are gonna shock the hell out of them.

Explosive neck collars.

199 Max  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:50:00pm

Hey, they're right. Obama has been "ramming through radicol legislation.'

/He just pasted another round of tax cuts for small businesses.

200 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:50:10pm

re: #193 Petero1818

Accountability plan: They are going to put shock collars on their candidates and when they have lust in their heart, or vote to raise taxes, they are gonna shock the hell out of them.

Every month or so, they need to go in to headquarters to be deprogrammed, lest they come in contact with too many queers and catch the AIDS

201 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:50:22pm

re: #198 celticdragon

Explosive neck collars.

The Running Man!

202 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:50:24pm

re: #199 Max D. Reinhardt

Hey, they're right. Obama has been "ramming through radicol legislation.'

/He just pasted another round of tax cuts for small businesses.

Goddamned Marxist!

203 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:50:58pm

"It is at bottom but a mad state of things."
--Carlyle

204 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:51:06pm

re: #190 WindUpBird

yep!

There are certainly democrats who are just as big into the fundie psycho line as Republicans, or who are vulnerable to it when they're say, facing a Republican congress, as Clinton was.

And I really would like for those Democrats to be voted out and eventually replaced with Democrats who don't prattle on about superstitous nonsense.

But it is clear and obvious to anyone with a brain in their skull that the dominionist bigot loons have far far far far far far more influence over Republicans than they do democrats

And evidently President Obama.

205 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:51:19pm

What the hell would an all powerful god need with worshipers anyway???
:P

206 mikhailtheplumber  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:51:27pm

re: #185 Lidane

You'd have to be dealing in facts for me to like them or not like them.

Both DOMA and DADT are socially conservative pieces of legislation. They answer your question just fine.

You're just wanting to argue because you're changing the terms of the question moving the goalposts. You didn't say anything about it only having to be signed/passed by Republicans. You just asked when the last time any laws that favored these people and their ideology were passed.

Fixed that for you.

207 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:51:27pm

re: #199 Max D. Reinhardt

Hey, they're right. Obama has been "ramming through radicol legislation.'

/He just pasted another round of tax cuts for small businesses.

That muslim radical lunatic!

Why I heard he was SETTING UP A CONSUMER FINANCIAL PROTECTION BUREAU!

FUCK ME IT'S THE APOCALYPSE

208 Max  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:51:38pm

My money is on Mike Huckabee for the FRC's 2012 straw poll. He won last year too, he even beat Romney and Palin.

209 Petero1818  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:51:43pm

re: #200 WindUpBird

Every month or so, they need to go in to headquarters to be deprogrammed, lest they come in contact with too many queers and catch the AIDS

Well, they will be writing legislation to ban gays from the House and Senate for that very reason. You know it would impact legislative readiness and hurt moral.

210 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:51:46pm

Book signing by the Dugger Family!!!!!!!!!!!!!

211 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:51:57pm

re: #205 Varek Raith

What the hell would an all powerful god need with worshipers anyway???
:P

What does God need with a starship?

212 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:52:03pm

re: #201 WindUpBird

The Running Man!

Battle Royale

213 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:52:10pm

re: #208 Max D. Reinhardt

My money is on Mike Huckabee for the FRC's 2012 straw poll. He won last year too, he even beat Romney and Palin.

Palin by a landslide.

214 Max  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:52:35pm

re: #207 WindUpBird

That muslim radical lunatic!

Why I heard he was SETTING UP A CONSUMER FINANCIAL PROTECTION BUREAU!

FUCK ME IT'S THE APOCALYPSE

Finance? You mean sharia finance?! Terrorist!! ARAB!!

/

215 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:52:40pm

re: #208 Max D. Reinhardt

My money is on Mike Huckabee for the FRC's 2012 straw poll. He won last year too, he even beat Romney and Palin.

Huckabee can go crypto-dominionist and put on a reasonable face, yeah, he's looking to be doing well

216 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:52:47pm

re: #185 Lidane

You'd have to be dealing in facts for me to like them or not like them.

Both DOMA and DADT are socially conservative pieces of legislation. They answer your question just fine.

You're just wanting to argue because you're changing the terms of the question. You didn't say anything about it only having to be signed/passed by Republicans. You just asked when the last time any laws that favored these people and their ideology were passed.

I didn't change the terms of anything... I controlled the questions and conversation to make my point... and that bothered you... boo hoo.

217 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:52:57pm

re: #214 Max D. Reinhardt

Finance? You mean sharia finance?! Terrorist!! ARAB!!

/

CHILDREN'S credit cards??!?

218 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:53:20pm

re: #211 WindUpBird

What does God need with a starship?

So he can get all the green chicks just like William Shatner did !?!?!

219 mikhailtheplumber  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:53:43pm

re: #217 WindUpBird

CHILDREN'S credit cards??!?

Anchor terror mortage babies!

220 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:53:47pm

re: #206 mikhailtheplumber

Fixed that for you.

You think I asked those questions without already having the answers?

221 Max  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:53:48pm

re: #215 WindUpBird

Huckabee can go crypto-dominionist and put on a reasonable face, yeah, he's looking to be doing well

Like I said a couple threads down, if Palin, Huckabee, or Gingrich are on the GOP ticket then Obama will get my vote.

222 Lidane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:53:56pm

re: #216 Walter L. Newton

I moved the goal posts to make my point...

FTFY

223 mikhailtheplumber  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:54:36pm

re: #220 Walter L. Newton

You think I asked those questions without already having the answers?

Oh, so you don't actually care what anyone responds.
That'll save us all some time next time you ask another question

224 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:54:48pm

re: #209 Petero1818

Well, they will be writing legislation to ban gays from the House and Senate for that very reason. You know it would impact legislative readiness and hurt moral.

By Grand Decree Of The Holy President Overlord, We Hereby Ban The Color Pink and the Employment of Feather Boas From All Garments Heretofore Worn By Any Citizen Of the United Hyperchristian States of Godmerica

225 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:55:02pm

re: #219 mikhailtheplumber

Anchor terror mortage babies!

we're so screwed

run, just run

226 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:55:27pm

re: #220 Walter L. Newton

You think I asked those questions without already having the answers?

Youtube Video
227 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:55:30pm

re: #224 WindUpBird

By Grand Decree Of The Holy President Overlord, We Hereby Ban The Color Pink and the Employment of Feather Boas From All Garments Heretofore Worn By Any Citizen Of the United Hyperchristian States of Godmerica

Sucks to be you then.
/

228 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:55:32pm

re: #223 mikhailtheplumber

Oh, so you don't actually care what anyone responds.
That'll save us all some time next time you ask another question

Hey... no one is forcing you to respond to me. Or do I have to hold you hand and explain that to you too?

229 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:55:34pm

Michelle Dugger took time off from having twenty something kids and home schooling her family in God approved pseudo science to sign her book on how you can be a "Quiver Full Theology" family too.

Convenient.

230 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:55:47pm

re: #225 WindUpBird

we're so screwed

run, just run

Why run then?
Face the DOOM head on.

231 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:55:53pm

re: #228 Walter L. Newton

ouch!

232 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:56:50pm

re: #230 Varek Raith

Why run then?
Face the DOOM head on.

Easy for you to say
You have all those cool futuristic weapons !

233 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:56:59pm

re: #231 sattv4u2

ouch!

Indeed.
I smashed my fingers today.
An owie of the 3rd degree.

234 mikhailtheplumber  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:57:01pm

re: #228 Walter L. Newton

Or do I have to hold you hand and explain that to you too?

Sorry, my parents taught me not to accept candy or take the hands of creepy old fellows in trenchcoats and mirrorshades.

235 allegro  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:58:33pm

re: #133 Cato the Elder

They are going to win.

Say that once more and I'm gonna fetch my magic pea shooter and poink ya where it hurts, dammit.

236 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:58:44pm

re: #62 Walter L. Newton

Let me adjust that unspoken subtext...

"We got the (first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy.) and President of the United States who doesn't like America ... trying to bring down America ... he makes my skin crawl."

I find it funny that the guy who this very morning said nobody should ever use the n-word in any context, even to accurately describe Gingrich's "Kenyan" subtext, used to hold the following linguistic position on political correctness:

Americans have been smacked over the head for almost 50 years now, told over and over again it is not polite, not nice, not multicultural, not politically correct, it's just a no-no to make fun of each other. This has mainly been driven my a progressive "can't we all just get along" mindset.

Well, no we can't and there is times in real politic that points have to be made, and had been traditional to make those points in graphic art, word and deed.

But slowly, the progressives have brainwashed us into believing that everything can be solved by "talking." I put talking in quotes because the method of talking has nothing to do with the reality of how we normally communicate.

The "talk" they have create is a non-committal, pablum method of communication that is designed to eliminate conflict and discourse before it even starts.

For a matter of fact, someone 50 years ago said it all in a book. And of course you know it as 1984. Those methods of language manipulation and information control that is portrayed in the book is the very way that progressives try to maintain the dialog.

I just comes down to the fact that since you can't figure out a way to get away with using it as a white, mean spirited, two-faced conservative jerk off, nobody should. Your newfound concern for political correctness in public dialog is ridiculous and transparent.

237 mikhailtheplumber  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:58:51pm

re: #235 allegro

Say that once more and I'm gonna fetch my magic pea shooter and poink ya where it hurts, dammit.

He is right, though.

238 Feline Fearless Leader  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:59:28pm

re: #198 celticdragon

Explosive neck collars.

Just got done reading the three books of Frederick Pohl's and Jack Williamson's "Starchild Trilogy" (_The Reefs of Space_, _Starchild_, and _Rogue Star_). Written between 1964 and 1969.

Citizens deemed threats to the Plan of Man (but kept around for some reason) are referred to as "risks", wear explosive collars, and are essentially a sort of pariah class in terms of interactions with the rest of society.

239 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 1:59:43pm

re: #229 celticdragon

Michelle Dugger took time off from having twenty something kids and home schooling her family in God approved pseudo science to sign her book on how you can be a "Quiver Full Theology" family too.

Convenient.

Back in the '60's there was a brand of douche called "Cupid's Quiver" (I am so not googling that)

240 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:00:44pm

re: #238 oaktree

Just got done reading the three books of Frederick Pohl's and Jack Williamson's "Starchild Trilogy" (_The Reefs of Space_, _Starchild_, and _Rogue Star_). Written between 1964 and 1969.

Citizens deemed threats to the Plan of Man (but kept around for some reason) are referred to as "risks", wear explosive collars, and are essentially a sort of pariah class in terms of interactions with the rest of society.

What?!
No one wants to hang out with people that could asplode at any moment???
/

241 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:00:46pm

re: #239 Alouette

Back in the '60's there was a brand of douche called "Cupid's Quiver" (I am so not googling that)

I could have gone the whole day without that tidbit of knowledge, thanyouverymuch!!
/

242 Lidane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:01:02pm

re: #229 celticdragon

"Quiver Full Theology"

Quiverfull = the white, fundamentalist Christian version of the welfare family. Who cares about things like family planning and birth control? God will provide.

243 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:01:31pm

Horribly saccharine country song about being an American soldier.

Groan.

We listened to Pink Floyd and The Eagles when I was in the army.

244 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:01:47pm

re: #240 Varek Raith

What?!
No one wants to hang out with people that could asplode at any moment???
/

I thought those things were called Colombian Collars.

245 jaunte  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:01:48pm

re: #239 Alouette

Looks like they've switched over to selling chocolate:
[Link: www.amazon.com...]

246 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:01:53pm

re: #241 sattv4u2

I could have gone the whole day without that tidbit of knowledge, thanyouverymuch!!
/

Admit it, you thought that was an awesome piece of knowledge.
/

247 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:02:15pm

re: #246 Varek Raith

Admit it, you thought that was an awesome piece of knowledge.
/

Shhhhh

248 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:02:51pm

re: #246 Varek Raith

Admit it, you thought that was an awesome piece of knowledge.
/

For when he's on Jeopardy?
//

249 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:02:56pm

Gonna go check out Hardball on tv for more laughter at this.

250 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:03:01pm

And when the Boss says 2:00, time to go home, you go the fuck home, later

251 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:03:03pm

re: #235 allegro

Say that once more and I'm gonna fetch my magic pea shooter and poink ya where it hurts, dammit.

They are going to win.

252 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:03:27pm

re: #248 Cannadian Club Akbar

For when he's on Jeopardy?
//

I'll take douche history for 200 Alex.
//

253 recusancy  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:04:06pm

re: #251 Cato the Elder

They are going to win.

Are you going to vote for them?

254 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:04:21pm

re: #248 Cannadian Club Akbar

For when he's on Jeopardy?
//

Categories
"Alex, I'll take 'Douches Of The Sixties' for a thousand, please"

255 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:04:24pm
In one particular video, Caner appears not to be familiar with the basic testimonies of faith that anyone raised Muslim would know.

Just watched the video. He flubbed it on multiple counts. No way was this guy ever even a practicing Muslim, let alone a fanatical jihadi.

256 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:04:42pm

re: #252 Cannadian Club Akbar

re: #254 sattv4u2

gmta

257 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:05:04pm

re: #256 sattv4u2

re: #254 sattv4u2

gmta

So do ours.

258 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:05:12pm

re: #236 goddamnedfrank

I find it funny that the guy who this very morning said nobody should ever use the n-word in any context, even to accurately describe Gingrich's "Kenyan" subtext, used to hold the following linguistic position on political correctness:

I just comes down to the fact that since you can't figure out a way to get away with using it as a white, mean spirited, two-faced conservative jerk off, nobody should. Your newfound concern for political correctness in public dialog is ridiculous and transparent.

You know Franky, no one has ever accused me of being racist on LGF, and that has been pointed out time after time, over and over again, by the Lizard community here... and by the many Lizards from around the country that know me personally and have broken bread with me.

You mean not using the "n" word is simply a matter of political correctness... well, I don't use it, and I don't like hearing it used because I think it is crass and insulting...

259 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:05:38pm

re: #246 Varek Raith

Admit it, you thought that was an awesome piece of knowledge.
/

Here is an even more awesome bit of knowledge:

Run on caffeine suppositories in Brooklyn pharmacies before Yom Kippur.

I did so not have to know that.

260 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:05:44pm

re: #253 recusancy

Are you going to vote for them?

No. I'm going to keep my powder dry.

261 TedStriker  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:06:07pm

re: #234 mikhailtheplumber

Sorry, my parents taught me not to accept candy or take the hands of creepy old fellows in trenchcoats and mirrorshades.

Eh, you worry too much...

///

262 tnguitarist  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:06:15pm

re: #236 goddamnedfrank

That was a burn of the third degree. I was going to respond to it earlier, but I had to leave.

263 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:06:19pm

re: #259 Alouette

Here is an even more awesome bit of knowledge:

Run on caffeine suppositories in Brooklyn pharmacies before Yom Kippur.

I did so not have to know that.

Lol

264 Four More Tears  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:07:13pm

re: #259 Alouette

Here is an even more awesome bit of knowledge:

Run on caffeine suppositories in Brooklyn pharmacies before Yom Kippur.

I did so not have to know that.

Neither did we, Alouette. Neither did we...

265 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:07:19pm

re: #236 goddamnedfrank

Oh... by the way... thank you for a copy of that essay... I didn't have that one saved. I do now.

266 recusancy  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:07:31pm

re: #260 Cato the Elder

No. I'm going to keep my powder dry.

When do you plan on using all the dry powder?

267 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:07:50pm

re: #259 Alouette

Here is an even more awesome bit of knowledge:

Run on caffeine suppositories in Brooklyn pharmacies before Yom Kippur.

I did so not have to know that.

I ain't gonna click the link. I'm picturing a pot of coffee, a funnel and someone standing on their head.
/

268 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:08:23pm

re: #267 Cannadian Club Akbar

I ain't gonna click the link. I'm picturing a pot of coffee, a funnel and someone standing on their head.
/

"I'ma lil Tea Pot short and stout, here is my handle here is my ,,,,"

/

269 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:08:33pm

re: #267 Cannadian Club Akbar

I ain't gonna click the link. I'm picturing a pot of coffee, a funnel and someone standing on their head.
/

You don't have to stand on you head to use them.

270 allegro  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:08:40pm

re: #251 Cato the Elder

They are going to win.

=== * * * * !!

271 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:09:10pm

re: #265 Walter L. Newton

Oh... by the way... thank you for a copy of that essay... I didn't have that one saved. I do now.

Oh ,, and for all the asses that UPDINGED Frank for calling Walter a racist

Have a hearty FU on me!

272 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:09:18pm

re: #267 Cannadian Club Akbar

I ain't gonna click the link. I'm picturing a pot of coffee, a funnel and someone standing on their head.
/

That's a different website.

273 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:09:37pm

re: #266 recusancy

When do you plan on using all the dry powder?

When they start trying to round up the "godless".

274 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:09:43pm

For those of you observing Yom Kippur, may you have an easy fast.

275 recusancy  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:11:21pm

re: #273 Cato the Elder

When they start trying to round up the "godless".

Or you could just vote for their opponents to keep them out of office and therefore away from the powers to round up the godless.

276 tnguitarist  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:11:29pm

re: #271 sattv4u2

Oh ,, and for all the asses that UPDINGED Frank for calling Walter a racist

Have a hearty FU on me!

Who called him a racist? We report, you decide.

277 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:11:32pm

re: #273 Cato the Elder

When they start trying to round up the "godless".

Amaterasu will protect me.
She's fucking hot!

278 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:11:59pm

re: #274 CuriousLurker

For those of you observing Yom Kippur, may you have an easy fast.

I love you.

279 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:12:10pm

re: #277 Varek Raith

Amaterasu will protect me.
She's fucking hot!

Link?

280 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:12:32pm

re: #271 sattv4u2

Oh ,, and for all the asses that UPDINGED Frank for calling Walter a racist

Have a hearty FU on me!

It doesn't matter. Damn Frank has just proven what I have said over and over on LGF, that over the last few years, when the debate is not going in favor of a liberal, they have resort to calling anyone a racist... it's quick, easy and doesn't require a lot of letters in the alphabet.

281 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:12:33pm

re: #276 tnguitarist

Who called him a racist? We report, you decide.

I just comes down to the fact that since you can't figure out a way to get away with using it as a white, mean spirited, two-faced conservative jerk off

I did

282 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:12:42pm

re: #279 Cannadian Club Akbar

Link?

Have to use your imagination, I'm afraid.
She lives in my head.

283 Cato the Elder  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:13:11pm

re: #275 recusancy

Or you could just vote for their opponents to keep them out of office and therefore away from the powers to round up the godless.

Vote I shall. They are still going to win.

284 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:13:24pm

re: #278 Cato the Elder

I Love you back.

285 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:13:46pm

re: #282 Varek Raith

Have to use your imagination, I'm afraid.
She lives in my head.

She is either
A) ,,, really really small
OR
B) your head is really really big!!

Is it a three bedroom, two bath ??

286 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:15:24pm

re: #278 Cato the Elder

I love you.

re: #284 CuriousLurker

I Love you back.

Get a room!!!

(umm,, get the one where I installed the video camera, btw!!)

287 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:16:11pm

re: #286 sattv4u2

re: #284 CuriousLurker

Get a room!!!

(umm,, get the one where I installed the video camera, btw!!)

In Varek's head?
/

288 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:16:44pm

re: #280 Walter L. Newton

It doesn't matter. Damn Frank has just proven what I have said over and over on LGF, that over the last few years, when the debate is not going in favor of a liberal, they have resort to calling anyone a racist... it's quick, easy and doesn't require a lot of letters in the alphabet.

Walter, I was here this morning. YOU, out of the blue posted about Bill Maher using the N word. You have trolled the subject all day. And now it's the libs fault. Like a puzzle, everything fits in the end for some bizarre reason. I guess it's called getting your kicks.

289 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:16:47pm

re: #286 sattv4u2

re: #284 CuriousLurker

Get a room!!!

(umm,, get the one where I installed the video camera, btw!!)

Breitbart has reserved the camera room through Nov 2012, sorry.

290 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:17:34pm

re: #287 Cannadian Club Akbar

In Varek's head?
/

No.
She'll set you on fire.

291 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:17:35pm

re: #274 CuriousLurker

For those of you observing Yom Kippur, may you have an easy fast.

thank you

292 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:19:07pm

re: #288 Stanley Sea

Walter, I was here this morning. YOU, out of the blue posted about Bill Maher using the N word. You have trolled the subject all day. And now it's the libs fault. Like a puzzle, everything fits in the end for some bizarre reason. I guess it's called getting your kicks.

Maher uses the "n" word and I get called a racist... LOL... and if you didn't notice, this is a fucking forum, that was an overnight thread, out of the blue, you mean like your comment above... make sense please.

293 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:19:17pm

Wingnuts suddenly find Nazi comparisons offensive.....

Youtube Video

Outrageous outrage!

294 Walter L. Newton  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:19:20pm

Work.

295 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:20:12pm

re: #294 Walter L. Newton

Work.

Fart

oh ,,, I thought we were just spontaneously typing four letter words!

296 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:21:31pm

re: #293 Killgore Trout

I lost my memo. Who is the Nazi this week?
/

297 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:22:02pm

re: #296 Cannadian Club Akbar

I lost my memo. Who is the Nazi this week?
/

According to the Pope, atheists.

298 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:22:38pm

Okay ,, so Mrs Satty just called

Seems as if I have "volunteered" to take her out to dinner

SO , my question is, seeing that I didn't KNOW that I had volunteered, is it mandatory that I shave !?!?!?

299 What, me worry?  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:22:56pm

re: #293 Killgore Trout

How do you know they're wingnuts? I'm sorry, I don't know what's going on in that video at the end.

300 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:23:20pm

re: #297 Varek Raith

According to the Pope, atheists.

I hate Illinois atheist.

301 Four More Tears  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:23:27pm

re: #298 sattv4u2

Okay ,, so Mrs Satty just called

Seems as if I have "volunteered" to take her out to dinner

SO , my question is, seeing that I didn't KNOW that I had volunteered, is it mandatory that I shave !?!?!?

No. In fact, you don't even have to wear pants.

302 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:23:54pm

re: #298 sattv4u2

Okay ,, so Mrs Satty just called

Seems as if I have "volunteered" to take her out to dinner

SO , my question is, seeing that I didn't KNOW that I had volunteered, is it mandatory that I shave !?!?!?

Depends on what you're shaving.

303 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:23:57pm

re: #301 JasonA

No. In fact, you don't even have to wear pants.

what are these "pants" of which you speak!?

304 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:24:13pm

re: #302 Cannadian Club Akbar

Depends on what you're shaving.

Good point!

305 Four More Tears  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:24:21pm

re: #303 sattv4u2

what are these "pants" of which you speak!?

I see you're way ahead of me.

306 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:24:56pm

re: #304 sattv4u2

Good point!

If she ask you to shave, grab the cat.

307 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:25:02pm

re: #293 Killgore Trout

Wingnuts suddenly find Nazi comparisons offensive...

[Video]Outrageous outrage!

Hell of a protest

The numbers are in the ones!

308 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:25:40pm

re: #299 marjoriemoon

How do you know they're wingnuts? I'm sorry, I don't know what's going on in that video at the end.

They're going to get their nails done

309 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:27:18pm

re: #306 Cannadian Club Akbar

If she ask you to shave, grab the cat.

"It's dead, Jim"!

310 engineer cat  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:27:20pm

Quiz yourself on 9 other dog myths

teh internets sure am weird

311 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:29:55pm

re: #257 Cannadian Club Akbar

So do ours.

btw ,, I'm SO stealing that!

312 mikhailtheplumber  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:30:24pm

Well, I am a lactose intolerant and let me tell you, that is some Nazi cheese you've got there.
/

313 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:31:04pm

BBIAB ,,, going to shower and (reluctantly) shave (on my day OFF, no less)

314 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:31:22pm

re: #299 marjoriemoon

How do you know they're wingnuts? I'm sorry, I don't know what's going on in that video at the end.

It's lefty's holding posters of Beck with a Hitler mustache. They reportedly go into some Democrat politicians office at some point. Wingnuts (instapundit/Gatewaypundit, etc) think it's a big scoop of some sort.

315 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:33:31pm

Tea Party, old and busted. New hotness; Wank Party....
Delaware Masturbators March Against O’Donnell

Galvanized by Republican senatorial nominee Christine O’Donnell’s anti-masturbation stance, masturbators from across the state converged on Wilmington today in what some are calling the largest pro-wanking protest in American history.

Carrying signs reading, “O’Donnell: Hands Off Our Masturbation,” the angry masturbators clogged downtown Wilmington, stopping traffic for blocks.

Harley Farger, a leading Delaware masturbator and planner of the Million Masturbators March, said it was difficult to organize masturbators “because they’re used to acting alone.”

Mr. Farger, the executive director of the pro-monkey-spanking group MasturNation, said that the “wank and file” of his organization believe that masturbation is an inalienable right guaranteed by the Constitution.

316 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:33:55pm

I'm calling for a lefty wing nut/ righty wing nut steel cage match. I'll get the popcorn.

317 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:34:37pm

My favorite blog quote this week, from Wonkette:

...we hope Christine O’Donnell wins the Senate seat from Delaware, and then somehow becomes president. We hope ALL the nutters win, every dingbat psychic-masturbating UN-blockading snake-handling prohibitionist gold-bug wild-eyed Straight Up Racist frothing numbskull from Albany to Alaska. It is basically time to speed up the train.

318 mikhailtheplumber  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:35:12pm

re: #316 Cannadian Club Akbar

I'm calling for a lefty wing nut/ righty wing nut steel cage match. I'll get the popcorn.

I'll melt the key!

319 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:35:17pm

re: #315 Killgore Trout

Tea Party, old and busted. New hotness; Wank Party...
Delaware Masturbators March Against O’Donnell

We need volunteers for the clean up after the march.

320 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:35:46pm

re: #315 Killgore Trout

Tea Party, old and busted. New hotness; Wank Party...
Delaware Masturbators March Against O’Donnell

Heh I'm awaiting Masterbators for Truth to come out against O'Donnell.
"Christine O'Donnell has masterbated before and I'm the one who sold her tte vibrator."

321 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:36:10pm

re: #319 Cannadian Club Akbar

We need volunteers for the clean up after the march.

I hereby volunteer sattv4u2 for the job.

322 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:36:42pm

re: #320 HappyWarrior

Heh I'm awaiting Masterbators for Truth to come out against O'Donnell.
"Christine O'Donnell has masterbated before and I'm the one who sold her tte vibrator."

Master Troofers?

323 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:37:40pm

Damn.

I missed the fun.

Did they get a "cured" gay to speak? They are always fun to hear from.

324 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:38:22pm

re: #323 karmic_inquisitor

Damn.

I missed the fun.

Did they get a "cured" gay to speak? They are always fun to hear from.

They cure gays? Like a ham?
/

325 HappyWarrior  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:38:28pm

re: #322 Cannadian Club Akbar

Master Troofers?

Yeah sure whatever floats your boat.

326 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:38:39pm

re: #323 karmic_inquisitor

Damn.

I missed the fun.

Did they get a "cured" gay to speak? They are always fun to hear from.

Ms. O'Donnell's former staffed was scheduled, but he backslid.

327 tnguitarist  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:40:09pm

re: #315 Killgore Trout

“O’Donnell: Hands Off Our Masturbation,”

Seems you would want 'hands on".......

328 palomino  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:40:46pm

re: #152 Walter L. Newton

My original question was... "when was the last time one of these social conservative fundamentalist politicians were able to get a federal law passed that supported their ideology"

It seems to me by some of the answers (DADT and DOMA)... that these laws were in the least a compromise by players on both sides of the aisles...

And.. who is in power now... and why haven't these laws been changed?

Because the gop filibusters any change to DADT.

Gay rights advocates went on high alert Thursday afternoon after Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.), a key proponent of repealing the military’s "don’t ask, don’t tell" policy, said that he believes Senate Republicans can kill the defense authorization bill containing the repeal – a step Sen. John McCain has already threatened to take.

Read more: [Link: www.politico.com...]

329 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:42:13pm

OT but related: the Alaska Senate Race just got a little more interesting:

Sen. Lisa Murkowski (R-AK) will run for re-election as a write-in candidate after losing her bid for renomination, according to sources briefed on Murkowski's decision.

On the face of it, it's hard to say what's going to happen, Murkowski could siphon votes from Miller, enabling the Democrat McAdams to grab the seat, or Murkowski could siphon votes from the independents and give Miller an even easier walk to victory. Either way, with Crist and Murkowski both effectively continuing the fight after being ousted by the extremists, you're seeing an nascent and currently disorganized effort to carve out a center right party from the groups that have been purged by the extremists.

(Calling Murkowski center right is sorta odd sounding, but she was willing to make deals and work with the Democrats on issues, and in reality, that's more than the extremists would ever stand for.)

330 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:43:13pm

re: #329 bloodstar

Crist went indy because he knew he wouldn't win the nomination.

331 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:44:05pm

re: #330 Cannadian Club Akbar

Crist went indy because he knew he wouldn't win the nomination.

Jumped before he was pushed.

332 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:45:59pm

re: #331 Decatur Deb

Jumped before he was pushed.

He is an opportunist.

333 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:46:04pm

re: #329 bloodstar

I am all for a group of independents in the Senate. 6 or 7 would be ideal. I hope Castle does the same thing. Maybe Collins and Snowe could defect too.

334 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:46:44pm

re: #332 Cannadian Club Akbar

He is an opportunist.

By job description.

335 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:47:32pm

A core group of relatively disciplined Senators could be the sanity veto this country needs.

336 A Man for all Seasons  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:48:11pm

re: #332 Cannadian Club Akbar

He is an opportunist.

Hey! The Moving truck left and I'm officially checked into a Hotel...What are we fighting over?
/

337 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:48:14pm

re: #334 Decatur Deb

By job description.

And last I saw he was down by double digits in the polls. (reminder, I hate polls)

338 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:49:08pm

re: #336 HoosierHoops

Hey! The Moving truck left and I'm officially checked into a Hotel...What are we fighting over?
/

First crack for the liquor cabinet in your room!!
/

339 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:49:12pm

re: #337 Cannadian Club Akbar

And last I saw he was down by double digits in the polls. (reminder, I hate polls)

Yeah, his best hope was that Meeks would lose to a weaker candidate.

340 sagehen  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:49:15pm

re: #194 mikhailtheplumber

Yes, with a compromise with the democrats in exchange of who knows what. So? You only asked for ideologically-based federal laws pushed by these people who became law.

Now, if you had asked "when was the last time one of these social conservative fundamentalist politicians were able to get a federal law passed that supported their ideology without any assistance from the other side of the aisle or outside support?", your objection about Clinton would make sense.

Since it passed with veto-proof margins, it wouldn't have made any sense for Clinton to veto it.

341 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:49:42pm

re: #334 Decatur Deb

By job description.

Agreed. All politicians are opportunists. Every last one.

342 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:50:13pm

re: #321 Varek Raith

I hereby volunteer sattv4u2 for the job.

Not ME

I just showered AND shaved !

343 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:50:19pm

re: #339 Decatur Deb

Yeah, his best hope was that Meeks would lose to a weaker candidate.

Meeks is running attack ads. On conservative radio. I don't watch much TV.

344 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:51:05pm

re: #342 sattv4u2

Not ME

I just showered AND shaved !

Please don't tell us what you shaved.
/

345 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:51:19pm

re: #340 sagehen

Since it passed with veto-proof margins, it wouldn't have made any sense for Clinton to veto it.

It bears repeating that the bulk of DOMA was struck down as unconstitutional by SCOTUS, so it doesn't really matter anyway.

DADT can't be changed with the senate as it is, because to do so would require a super-majority to get through the senate, which, needless to say, isn't going to happen.

346 KingKenrod  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:51:51pm

re: #328 palomino

Because the gop filibusters any change to DADT.

Dems had a filibuster-proof majority for 6 months before Scott Brown was elected. Guys like Ben Nelson (who recently flipped on the issue) opposed the repeal then.

347 palomino  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:51:55pm

re: #280 Walter L. Newton

... when the debate is not going in favor of a liberal, they have resort to calling anyone a racist... it's quick, easy and doesn't require a lot of letters in the alphabet.

Oh, you mean like when conservatives reflexively call liberals anti-American, unpatriotic or Kenyan?

And why would anyone accuse today's right of any racism?

348 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:52:06pm

re: #344 Cannadian Club Akbar

Please don't tell us what you shaved.
/

Why not?

Don't we all shave the tops of our feet?

349 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:52:37pm

re: #343 Cannadian Club Akbar

Meeks is running attack ads. On conservative radio. I don't watch much TV.

My Tampa kid is trying to vote against Rubio, but hasn't settled on the most effective path.

350 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:52:43pm

re: #333 karmic_inquisitor

I am all for a group of independents in the Senate. 6 or 7 would be ideal. I hope Castle does the same thing. Maybe Collins and Snowe could defect too.

The two party system effectively makes the idea of an independent all but impossible to sustain. There are so many laws that entrench and give power to the top two parties that both Democrats and Republicans have an investment in keeping the system as is.

So while you'll see the occasional independent, most of the time that person has to be at the right place at the right time and have a particularly weak major party candidate that they're up against. In the case of both Florida and Alaska, both the Democrats and Republicans have viable candidates that will get 30% of the vote no matter what happens. this leaves only 40% to play with for the third party, and that's a very tricky needle to thread.

While it'd be nice to have a group as you describe, they'll be marginalized and attacked from both the left and the right. And barring changes to election laws, I can't see any way to break out of the two party system in America.

351 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:52:46pm

re: #348 sattv4u2

Why not?

Don't we all shave the tops of our feet?

Whatever you say, Frodo.

352 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:52:49pm

re: #348 sattv4u2

Why not?

Don't we all shave the tops of our feet?

I can't see the tops of my feet!!

353 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:53:32pm

re: #349 Decatur Deb

My Tampa kid is trying to vote against Rubio, but hasn't settled on the most effective path.

Meeks has no chance. Tell him to go with Crist.

354 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:53:37pm

re: #347 palomino

Oh, you mean like when conservatives reflexively call liberals anti-American, unpatriotic or Kenyan?

And why would anyone accuse today's right of any racism?

Well ,, like he said it's quick, easy and doesn't require a lot of letters in the alphabet.

:)

and btw ,, Walter left,, so you may want to save yourself for when he's here to answer

355 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:54:19pm

And on that note ,,

dinner awaits

356 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:54:58pm

re: #355 sattv4u2

And on that note ,,

dinner awaits

Early bird special? Cheap ass!!

357 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:55:24pm

re: #356 Cannadian Club Akbar

Early bird special? Cheap ass!!

Not by the time I get to the place

358 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:55:30pm

re: #353 Cannadian Club Akbar

Meeks has no chance. Tell him to go with Crist.

I did, but if neither can win, he should stay true to his school.

359 sattv4u2  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:56:01pm

re: #358 Decatur Deb

I did, but if neither can win, he should stay true to his school.

Your son is a FISH!?!?

360 palomino  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:56:21pm

re: #346 KingKenrod

Dems had a filibuster-proof majority for 6 months before Scott Brown was elected. Guys like Ben Nelson (who recently flipped on the issue) opposed the repeal then.

Yes, the Dem party is more diverse and fractured than the GOP. But you're missing the point: if the few moderate Republicans would break with their party more often, sane legislation could pass. This is historically how things have gotten done...you know, some kind of cooperation.

361 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:56:41pm

re: #358 Decatur Deb

I did, but if neither can win, he should stay true to his school.

Crist got a rise in the polls with the BP thing. That has subsided.

362 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:57:09pm

re: #359 sattv4u2

Your son is a FISH!?!?

Ssshh. I'm talking to a seafood chef.

363 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:57:11pm

Just got home and was pondering that shrill, hysterical voice of Gary Bauer delivered in a neurotic nasally falsetto. He message matched his delivery. The short of it is that he screamed almost throughout his speech.

364 elizajane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:57:14pm

Don't know how to post this as a "page" but check out The Fair Christine's 2008 campaign website complete with links to her nutty posts on TownHall etc, like this one:

Obama/Biden’s plan for a U.N. tax on Americans
Townhall.com recently asked me to write an op-ed about the "Global Tax" supported by Obama and Biden. Below is what I wrote on this abominable attach on our sovereignty.

For an entire week, Americans watched as Senator Barack Obama took his act on the road, courting the European elitists and cowtowing to an endless array of foreign politicians. At this point it may be easy to take Obama's "celebri-plomacy" lightly. Yet, his trip highlights a dangerous threat to America's national sovereignty in the form of his globalist policies that will diminish America's role in the world and outsource decisions of vital national interest to the United Nations.

[note the bovine reference!]

And this is the MySpace page:

[Link: www.myspace.com...]

365 sagehen  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 2:57:29pm

re: #242 Lidane

Quiverfull = the white, fundamentalist Christian version of the welfare family. Who cares about things like family planning and birth control? God will provide.

Or cable TV. Whatever.

(thought experiment: how would the Duggar fans feel about a black family who had 20 kids, and earned a living by bragging about their kids and showing off their kids and selling photos and videos of their kids?)

366 tnguitarist  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:00:12pm

re: #365 sagehen

Good question.

367 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:00:14pm

re: #363 Gus 802

Just got home and was pondering that shrill, hysterical voice of Gary Bauer delivered in a neurotic nasally falsetto. He message matched his delivery. The short of it is that he screamed almost throughout his speech.

We hear a lot about Hitler's hypnotic delivery, but how did the Goebbels of the newsreels ever keep an audience?

368 palomino  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:00:43pm

re: #354 sattv4u2

Well ,, like he said it's quick, easy and doesn't require a lot of letters in the alphabet.

:)

and btw ,, Walter left,, so you may want to save yourself for when he's here to answer

Why bother? His answer would probably just as evasive and simplistic as yours.

and btw, this isn't a chat room. I respond to "interesting" comments I read, I don't follow every lizard's movement.

369 sagehen  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:01:44pm

re: #255 CuriousLurker

Just watched the video. He flubbed it on multiple counts. No way was this guy ever even a practicing Muslim, let alone a fanatical jihadi.

Real Muslims, even real ex-Muslims, aren't welcome at the Dominionist Cabal. They don't allow Jews either. (They'd never admit out loud that Jews aren't allowed -- they just schedule their events for Yom Kippur or Rosh Hashanah... in 2008 when the candidates forum for Republican contenders had to be in the spring, they decided Pesach was the perfect date).

370 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:03:32pm

re: #368 palomino

Why bother? His answer would probably just as evasive and simplistic as yours.

and btw, this isn't a chat room. I respond to "interesting" comments I read, I don't follow every lizard's movement.

I would love to see these weirdos and Bauer presented to the mainstream American audience. It would have to be some kind of freaky reality TV program. Maybe we could call it The Thumpers.

371 allegro  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:04:05pm

re: #369 sagehen

They'd never admit out loud that Jews aren't allowed -- they just schedule their events for Yom Kippur or Rosh Hashanah... in 2008 when the candidates forum for Republican contenders had to be in the spring, they decided Pesach was the perfect date

Surely these are accidental, like Beck's accidental date choice of MLK's historic speech at the same location for his... thingie.

372 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:04:24pm

The Tea Party Writes The Constitution

373 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:04:33pm

re: #370 Gus 802

I would love to see these weirdos and Bauer presented to the mainstream American audience. It would have to be some kind of freaky reality TV program. Maybe we could call it The Thumpers.

Nope. "Thumping" has an onanistic ring to it.

374 sagehen  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:04:38pm

re: #279 Cannadian Club Akbar

Link?

Here's how she was portrayed on Stargate:

Image: Amaterasu1.jpg

375 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:04:43pm

Hard not to notice how they wrap themselves in pseudo militarism too. They did that throughout the day.

376 TedStriker  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:04:59pm

re: #369 sagehen

Real Muslims, even real ex-Muslims, aren't welcome at the Dominionist Cabal. They don't allow Jews either. (They'd never admit out loud that Jews aren't allowed -- they just schedule their events for Yom Kippur or Rosh Hashanah... in 2008 when the candidates forum for Republican contenders had to be in the spring, they decided Pesach was the perfect date).

It's just as well...if I were a sane Jew or Muslim that's in Republican politics, I wouldn't want any of their stank on me.

As it is, I wouldn't touch them with a 10-meter cattle prod...

377 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:05:21pm

re: #374 sagehen

Here's how she was portrayed on Stargate:

Image: Amaterasu1.jpg

Nice rack.

378 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:06:11pm

re: #373 Decatur Deb

Nope. "Thumping" has an onanistic ring to it.

How about Real Knuckle Draggers of DC?

379 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:06:51pm

In the next thread Killgore will describe how he avoids spasms of life-threatening Smug at every mention of the TP.

380 Fozzie Bear  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:08:28pm

Meh. I hope these dumb fucks win, and big. It's become very clear to me that we have a choice between cowards (DNC) and lunatics (GOP). It really doesn't matter who wins anymore.

I'll take a quick rush to the bottom with the possibility of a bounce than an interminable slow crumbling of a once great nation.

I haven't been paid in two weeks, and the business for which I have been working is on the verge of dissolving into nothingness. My wife got laid off a week ago. After weeks of searching, I haven't found any jobs other than one position at McDonalds, and one position working the desk at a motel on the night shift. thank God we don't have any kids, as the only thing worse than going to bed hungry is putting a child to bed hungry.

It can't get much worse than this. Just tear it down. All of it. I'm starting to think that the GOP is doing us all a service by trying so hard to destroy this country.

It's all just a horse race anyway. I no longer give a shit who wins. My fridge is empty. I have worked hard all my life, and I have nothing to show for it, despite being quite conservative in my personal finances. I paid attention in school, I got good grades, I kept my nose to the grindstone, I never took any unemployment or welfare. When times were hard, I lived on my savings. Now, I am just barely getting by. I have no stake anymore in this system.

The most dangerous thing in the world is a large group of people with nothing to lose. I don't think anybody in Washington is really thinking clearly about this. Humans are not rational, we never have been. We are as rational as our stomachs are full.

I'm going out and spending my last 20 at ALDI, trying to get enough ramen and chicken to live another week. Have fun arguing over whose rubble it is.

Fuck the GOP. Fuck the DNC. And yes, fuck Obama. it's clear none of them are willing to take even a tiny risk to their illustrious careers. help the rest of us. Fuck them all.

When next you guys see me I will be in better spirits.

381 tnguitarist  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:08:45pm

re: #375 Gus 802

Hard not to notice how they wrap themselves in pseudo militarism too. They did that throughout the day.

How many of them have actually served in the military?

382 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:09:16pm

Weirdos, dweebs, dorks, doofuses, cornballs, wingnuts, cretins, half-wits, blockheads, bigots, goons and primitives.

383 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:09:59pm

re: #369 sagehen

Real Muslims, even real ex-Muslims, aren't welcome at the Dominionist Cabal. They don't allow Jews either. (They'd never admit out loud that Jews aren't allowed -- they just schedule their events for Yom Kippur or Rosh Hashanah... in 2008 when the candidates forum for Republican contenders had to be in the spring, they decided Pesach was the perfect date).

Oh wow, you're right! I hadn't even noticed that things coincided with Jewish holidays.

384 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:10:12pm

re: #381 tnguitarist

How many of them have actually served in the military?

A few did I think. It's just the way they're always bringing it up as though to thwart anyone challenging them. It's a typical right-wing ploy.

385 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:10:19pm

re: #382 Gus 802

Weirdos, dweebs, dorks, doofuses, cornballs, wingnuts, cretins, half-wits, blockheads, bigots, goons and primitives.

Leave my mom's side of the family out of this.
/

386 brookly red  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:10:28pm

re: #382 Gus 802

Weirdos, dweebs, dorks, doofuses, cornballs, wingnuts, cretins, half-wits, blockheads, bigots, goons and primitives.

/OK, that should be enough for a majority...

387 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:10:33pm

re: #379 Decatur Deb

In the next thread Killgore will describe how he avoids spasms of life-threatening Smug at every mention of the TP.

It's no secret: Self Medication.

Youtube Video
388 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:11:28pm

re: #380 Fozzie Bear

Hang in there Fozzie.

389 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:13:25pm

re: #387 Killgore Trout

It's no secret: Self Medication.

[Video]

Did you think it would get this bad? I never did. I expected it to get strange but never in my wildest dreams did I imagine we'd be seeing and hearing what we see and hear today.

390 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:13:30pm

re: #380 Fozzie Bear

Sorry to hear you're having such a hard time. Hang in there.

391 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:13:41pm

re: #380 Fozzie Bear

Meh. I hope these dumb fucks win, and big. It's become very clear to me that we have a choice between cowards (DNC) and lunatics (GOP). It really doesn't matter who wins anymore.

I'll take a quick rush to the bottom with the possibility of a bounce than an interminable slow crumbling of a once great nation.

I haven't been paid in two weeks, and the business for which I have been working is on the verge of dissolving into nothingness. My wife got laid off a week ago. After weeks of searching, I haven't found any jobs other than one position at McDonalds, and one position working the desk at a motel on the night shift. thank God we don't have any kids, as the only thing worse than going to bed hungry is putting a child to bed hungry.

It can't get much worse than this. Just tear it down. All of it. I'm starting to think that the GOP is doing us all a service by trying so hard to destroy this country.

It's all just a horse race anyway. I no longer give a shit who wins. My fridge is empty. I have worked hard all my life, and I have nothing to show for it, despite being quite conservative in my personal finances. I paid attention in school, I got good grades, I kept my nose to the grindstone, I never took any unemployment or welfare. When times were hard, I lived on my savings. Now, I am just barely getting by. I have no stake anymore in this system.

The most dangerous thing in the world is a large group of people with nothing to lose. I don't think anybody in Washington is really thinking clearly about this. Humans are not rational, we never have been. We are as rational as our stomachs are full.

I'm going out and spending my last 20 at ALDI, trying to get enough ramen and chicken to live another week. Have fun arguing over whose rubble it is.

Fuck the GOP. Fuck the DNC. And yes, fuck Obama. it's clear none of them are willing to take even a tiny risk to their illustrious careers. help the rest of us. Fuck them all.

When next you guys see me I will be in better spirits.

Collect your unemployment insurance payout. If someone ran your car into a wall, you would take the insurance settlement. Someone has just driven your job into a wall. Same damn thing. When you get back on top, make sure to provide a cushion for the next guy who gets screwed.

392 sagehen  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:14:25pm

re: #346 KingKenrod

Dems had a filibuster-proof majority for 6 months before Scott Brown was elected. Guys like Ben Nelson (who recently flipped on the issue) opposed the repeal then.

No they didn't.

It took six months to seat Al Franken, Robert Byrd was too sick to make it to work very often and Ted Kennedy died.

They had a veto-proof majority for about eight weeks; and half the time during those weeks, Joe Lieberman was being Republican.

393 Killgore Trout  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:17:58pm

re: #389 Gus 802

Did you think it would get this bad? I never did. I expected it to get strange but never in my wildest dreams did I imagine we'd be seeing and hearing what we see and hear today.

No, I didn't think things would actually go this far. Glenn Beck shameless recycling of old Birch Society paranoia and massive historic revisionism are really taking hold much more than I thought they would.
I'm also surprised that it's gone this far without a serious incident of Tea Party inspired terrorism.

394 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:18:05pm

re: #392 sagehen

No they didn't.

It took six months to seat Al Franken, Robert Byrd was too sick to make it to work very often and Ted Kennedy died.

They had a veto-proof majority for about eight weeks; and half the time during those weeks, Joe Lieberman was being Republican.

I never liked Joe Lieberman. Even back when I was a die-hard Democrat.

395 mikhailtheplumber  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:18:48pm

re: #340 sagehen

Since it passed with veto-proof margins, it wouldn't have made any sense for Clinton to veto it.

Well, don't worry. Walter already knew that when he asked, anyway.

396 allegro  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:19:08pm

re: #394 Gus 802

Joe Lieberman

Slimy, whining little toadie.

397 KingKenrod  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:20:42pm

re: #392 sagehen

No they didn't.

It took six months to seat Al Franken, Robert Byrd was too sick to make it to work very often and Ted Kennedy died.

They had a veto-proof majority for about eight weeks; and half the time during those weeks, Joe Lieberman was being Republican.

Kennedy was replaced with an appointed Democrat, Paul Kirk, from September 24 to January 19. They had 60, and I remember Byrd showing up occasionally. I'm not saying it would have been easy, but they had 60.

398 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:20:44pm

re: #393 Killgore Trout

No, I didn't think things would actually go this far. Glenn Beck shameless recycling of old Birch Society paranoia and massive historic revisionism are really taking hold much more than I thought they would.
I'm also surprised that it's gone this far without a serious incident of Tea Party inspired terrorism.

The Republican Party should be congratulated for taking in those crazies. I'm not going to vote for a Republican for a very long time. I say that too because in Colorado they only have Tea Party nuts running for office as Republicans (Ken Buck and Dan Maes).

399 Cannadian Club Akbar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:21:22pm

BBL.

400 palomino  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:21:31pm

re: #392 sagehen

No they didn't.

It took six months to seat Al Franken, Robert Byrd was too sick to make it to work very often and Ted Kennedy died.

They had a veto-proof majority for about eight weeks; and half the time during those weeks, Joe Lieberman was being Republican.

Good point, but it doesn't quite fit the Fox narrative that the Dems had huge majorities and got nothing done. Despite the hurdles you point out, they did get quite a bit done, far more than we can expect from the gop congress that awaits.

They'll probably vote in lockstep for stupid shit that has no chance of being signed by Obama, and show no willingness to compromise. This approach seems to have worked for them, so why would they change it going into 2012?

401 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:22:42pm

re: #389 Gus 802

Did you think it would get this bad? I never did. I expected it to get strange but never in my wildest dreams did I imagine we'd be seeing and hearing what we see and hear today.

I sometimes think my entire liberal Dem philosophy could simply be wrong. Not so much, lately.

402 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:23:17pm

re: #350 bloodstar

The two party system effectively makes the idea of an independent all but impossible to sustain. There are so many laws that entrench and give power to the top two parties that both Democrats and Republicans have an investment in keeping the system as is.

So while you'll see the occasional independent, most of the time that person has to be at the right place at the right time and have a particularly weak major party candidate that they're up against. In the case of both Florida and Alaska, both the Democrats and Republicans have viable candidates that will get 30% of the vote no matter what happens. this leaves only 40% to play with for the third party, and that's a very tricky needle to thread.

While it'd be nice to have a group as you describe, they'll be marginalized and attacked from both the left and the right. And barring changes to election laws, I can't see any way to break out of the two party system in America.

Agreed, but there are instances in US history where small groups come together under a short lived third party and have seats in the Senate / House.

They don't last for a lot of reasons most of which you hit. The only other one that a clever poli sci prof pointed out to me was the electoral college itself. If the POTUS can't be elected by the electors on the first ballot it goes to the House. That was intended as "it is popular vote if a majority can be established or as a prime minister if no popular majority exists". After a few such elections, congress members realized it was far better to organize into two camps so that your career included the potential of being President or in the executive branch.

When these independent / third party movement groups appear they tend to force the other two to rebalance their coalitions. That will happen again. Some say the Tea Party is that but I disagree - the TP was coopted by the socons out of the chute. The socon agenda isn't the mainstream and never will be.

403 sagehen  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:25:32pm

re: #364 elizajane

All that UN crap is a Rapture/Left Behind dog whistle.

They've got this delusional set of ideas about how much authority the UN has, what it tries to do and how often it's able to do anything it tries... it's really weird, they're convinced the Secretary-General of the UN holds supreme executive authority over the entire planet.

404 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:25:35pm

re: #400 palomino

Good point, but it doesn't quite fit the Fox narrative that the Dems had huge majorities and got nothing done. Despite the hurdles you point out, they did get quite a bit done, far more than we can expect from the gop congress that awaits.

They'll probably vote in lockstep for stupid shit that has no chance of being signed by Obama, and show no willingness to compromise. This approach seems to have worked for them, so why would they change it going into 2012?

I still think the internal metrics of the hardcore GOP base point to a vote for impeachment. They have convinced themselves that most of America wants that anyway since Acorn isn't there to spread their librul lies.

405 CuriousLurker  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:27:03pm

BBL

406 celticdragon  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:27:06pm

re: #403 sagehen

All that UN crap is a Rapture/Left Behind dog whistle.

They've got this delusional set of ideas about how much authority the UN has, what it tries to do and how often it's able to do anything it tries... it's really weird, they're convinced the Secretary-General of the UN holds supreme executive authority over the entire planet.

I grew up being fed with that BS back in the 80's. I was convinced the Anti-Christ was going to be a UN official from Europe or some such.

407 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:27:28pm

re: #398 Gus 802

The Republican Party should be congratulated for taking in those crazies. I'm not going to vote for a Republican for a very long time. I say that too because in Colorado they only have Tea Party nuts running for office as Republicans (Ken Buck and Dan Maes).

I've basically voted Republican for as long as I've been able to vote. Those days are dead.

408 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:28:15pm

re: #403 sagehen

All that UN crap is a Rapture/Left Behind dog whistle.

They've got this delusional set of ideas about how much authority the UN has, what it tries to do and how often it's able to do anything it tries... it's really weird, they're convinced the Secretary-General of the UN holds supreme executive authority over the entire planet.

True. Typically it's amongst a list such as: Illuminati, Freemasons, New World Order, Rothschild, United Nations.

409 brookly red  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:29:35pm

re: #408 Gus 802

True. Typically it's amongst a list such as: Illuminati, Freemasons, New World Order, Rothschild, United Nations.

no bilderburger?

410 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:30:10pm

re: #409 brookly red

no bilderburger?

That too.

Alex Jones!

/

411 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:30:14pm

re: #409 brookly red

no bilderburger?

No bildeburger--cheeburger.

412 allegro  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:30:35pm

re: #409 brookly red

no bilderburger?

Not when there's a Whataburger on the corner.

413 Kragar  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:30:41pm

re: #408 Gus 802

True. Typically it's amongst a list such as: Illuminati, Freemasons, New World Order, Rothschild, United Nations.

Don't forget Col. Sanders.

414 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:30:57pm

re: #413 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Don't forget Col. Sanders.

And Neil Hamburger.

/

415 KingKenrod  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:30:59pm

re: #406 celticdragon

I grew up being fed with that BS back in the 80's. I was convinced the Anti-Christ was going to be a UN official from Europe or some such.

I remember that. I've since learned that throughout history the "antichrist" is whatever the Christian enemy du jour is. I suppose it's the "muslim" Obama now. What a farce.

416 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:31:25pm

re: #403 sagehen

All that UN crap is a Rapture/Left Behind dog whistle.

They've got this delusional set of ideas about how much authority the UN has, what it tries to do and how often it's able to do anything it tries... it's really weird, they're convinced the Secretary-General of the UN holds supreme executive authority over the entire planet.

re: #408 Gus 802

True. Typically it's amongst a list such as: Illuminati, Freemasons, New World Order, Rothschild, United Nations.

I learn something new every day. wow

417 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:32:32pm

re: #415 KingKenrod

I remember that. I've since learned that throughout history the "antichrist" is whatever the Christian enemy du jour is. I suppose it's the "muslim" Obama now. What a farce.

You didn't get the memo. I'll try to cache some sites that show he's the Big S himself.

418 elizajane  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:33:28pm

re: #403 sagehen

All that UN crap is a Rapture/Left Behind dog whistle.

They've got this delusional set of ideas about how much authority the UN has, what it tries to do and how often it's able to do anything it tries... it's really weird, they're convinced the Secretary-General of the UN holds supreme executive authority over the entire planet.

I know. Wasn't there some Republican candidate for mayor recently (and not of a small town, either) who was claiming that his opponant's campaign to encourage bicycle riding was actually a directive from the U.N. to lead us toward One World Government?

419 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:33:59pm

re: #416 Stanley Sea

re: #408 Gus 802

I learn something new every day. wow

From New World Order (conspiracy theory)

End Time

For over 2,000 years, apocalyptic millenarian Christian theologians and laymen have feared a globalist conspiracy as the fulfillment of prophecies about the "end time" in the Bible, specifically in the Book of Ezekiel, the Book of Daniel, the Olivet discourse found in the Synoptic Gospels, and the Book of Revelation. They assert that human and demonic agents of the Devil are involved in a primordial plot to deceive humanity into accepting a satanic world theocracy that has the Unholy Trinity — Satan, the Antichrist and the False Prophet — at the core of an imperial cult. In many contemporary Christian conspiracy theories, the False Prophet will either be the last pope of the Catholic Church (groomed and installed by an Alta Vendita or Jesuit conspiracy) or a guru from the New Age movement or even the leader of a fundamentalist Christian organization like The Fellowship, while the Antichrist will either be the president of the European Union or the secretary-general of the United Nations or even a supercomputer.

420 palomino  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:34:32pm

re: #404 celticdragon

I still think the internal metrics of the hardcore GOP base point to a vote for impeachment. They have convinced themselves that most of America wants that anyway since Acorn isn't there to spread their librul lies.

It's definitely what the base wants, although their allegations of the requisite "high crimes and misdemeanors" only amounts to being a Kenyan who hates America. Amazing how they've convinced themselves that a moderate Dem president is Che Guevara reborn.

But nothing would make Obama seem suddenly more sympathetic than the likes of Joe Wilson, teabaggers, Palin and Gingrich calling for impeachment. We've been there and done that--1998--and Clinton grew more popular afterwards.

421 Decatur Deb  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:35:00pm

re: #417 Decatur Deb

You didn't get the memo. I'll try to cache some sites that show he's the Big S himself.

Was way too easy. This is a cache, not a link.

[Link: www.zimbio.com...]

422 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:35:09pm

re: #418 elizajane

I know. Wasn't there some Republican candidate for mayor recently (and not of a small town, either) who was claiming that his opponant's campaign to encourage bicycle riding was actually a directive from the U.N. to lead us toward One World Government?

That was Dan Maes for governor of Colorado. He's still running but guess what? Tom Tancredo is ahead of him in the polls. The Democrat, Hickenlooper, is ahead of both of them.

423 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:36:02pm

In the 1960s, right-wing populist individuals and groups with a producerist worldview, such as members of the John Birch Society, disseminated a great deal of conspiracy theories claiming that the governments of both the United States and the Soviet Union were controlled by a cabal of corporate internationalists, greedy bankers and corrupt politicians intent on using the United Nations as the vehicle to create the "One World Government".

424 Stanghazi  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:37:37pm

re: #419 Gus 802

smelling salts please

425 Varek Raith  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:40:29pm

re: #419 Gus 802

From New World Order (conspiracy theory)

End Time

Fucking SkyNet.
I knew it!!!

426 karmic_inquisitor  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:48:11pm

re: #372 Killgore Trout

The Tea Party Writes The Constitution

Quibble on that - is that a "no on 8" button? The TP was yes on 8 IIRC.

427 sagehen  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:48:44pm

re: #400 palomino

Good point, but it doesn't quite fit the Fox narrative that the Dems had huge majorities and got nothing done. Despite the hurdles you point out, they did get quite a bit done, far more than we can expect from the gop congress that awaits.

They'll probably vote in lockstep for stupid shit that has no chance of being signed by Obama, and show no willingness to compromise. This approach seems to have worked for them, so why would they change it going into 2012?


Nah, they won't vote for anything. There won't be any bills brought to floor at all. It'll be All Investigations, All The Time.

The only reason they want control is subpoena power.

428 allegro  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:56:57pm

Huckabee/Hickenlooper in 2012!

If not a ticket, at least a cartoon.

429 sagehen  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 3:57:55pm

re: #418 elizajane

I know. Wasn't there some Republican candidate for mayor recently (and not of a small town, either) who was claiming that his opponant's campaign to encourage bicycle riding was actually a directive from the U.N. to lead us toward One World Government?

Colorado. Boulder I think.

When Michelle Bachman was blathering on last summer about one world currency and tried to introduce a bill in congress that this nation had to remain on the Dollar... That's part of that same insanity.

You should have seen the paroxyms the Rapture crowd went into when the EU was formed, it's one of the signs the end times are upon us.

431 Gus  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 4:04:48pm

re: #430 Gus 802

Oops. Wrong thread.

432 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 4:28:38pm

re: #419 Gus 802

The antichrist will be a supercomputer!


GOD I HOPE THEY'RE RIGHT, AWESOME

433 goddamnedfrank  Fri, Sep 17, 2010 4:53:04pm

re: #271 sattv4u2

Oh ,, and for all the asses that UPDINGED Frank for calling Walter a racist

Have a hearty FU on me!

I didn't call Walter a racist. I implied that like a spastic colon he is willing to spray all kinds of shit in the hopes that some of it will stick, even if it runs counter to his previously stated positions.

434 bkisan  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 10:31:10am

There are a whole bunch of Muslim apologist videos on youtube in which almost every ex-Muslim online is called a fake and a fraud.

Someone is said to have an American pronounciation of an Arabic phrase (often having lived in America for several decades) and that is taken as proof of them being a total fraud.

That this Ergun Caner made a mistake quoting one Quranic phrase instead of the shahada is obvious. Does that mean he was never a Muslim as this quoted text suggests?

To see this wacky approach in action see here:

Youtube Video

Perhaps he embellished the Jihad part of it but accepting the Islamic propaganda saying he was never a Muslim based on misquoting a text in a conversation is balloney.

435 bkisan  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 10:36:55am

Further, the most popular video on youtube attacking Ergun Caner is from the same nutjob who made the above video and is linked to that video.

436 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 10:44:46am

And another sleeper awakes.

Image: sleeper.jpg

437 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 10:45:36am

re: #434 bkisan

Someone is said to have an American pronounciation of an Arabic phrase (often having lived in America for several decades) and that is taken as proof of them being a total fraud.

I guess you missed the part about him lying about growing up in Turkey.

438 bkisan  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 10:52:27am

Was he ever a Muslim or not whether he grew up in Turkey or not?

Have a quick peek at the youtube video and see if you agree with the methodology.

I actually wasted 20 minutes of my life going through them about a year ago and they are a total joke.

There is a campaign to discredit these people based often on total rubbish. His claims about Jihad do sound iffy but then the point about him never having been a Muslim based on a misquote of a saying are also equally iffy.
Who is to say he didn't go back to Turkey for a short period as a teen also.

439 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 11:31:09am

re: #438 bkisan

His claims about Jihad do sound iffy ...

Yes. Indeed they do. And that's the point, isn't it?

There is a campaign to discredit these people based often on total rubbish.

But you just said it wasn't rubbish, didn't you?

440 bkisan  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 8:03:27pm

The rubbish part would be that he was never a Muslim in the first place based on a misquote.

Also most of the videos of the guy I linked to are total rubbish. That's the rubbish part.

441 CuriousLurker  Sun, Sep 19, 2010 10:23:36am

re: #434 bkisan

That this Ergun Caner made a mistake quoting one Quranic phrase instead of the shahada is obvious. Does that mean he was never a Muslim as this quoted text suggests?

You're defending Caner from a position of ignorance.

A former radical Muslim confusing the the shahada with the first verses of the Qur'an would be akin to a former radical Evangelical Christian confusing "I accept Jesus Christ as my lord & savior" with the Biblical verse "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." It simply doesn't happen. It's bunk. Pure bunk.

Not only does he confuse the two, he gets the second Qur'anic verse totally wrong—he doesn't merely mispronounce some of the words, he mumbles something totally incoherent, in precisely the same way someone does when they don't know the words to a song and are trying to fake it. He has made this "mistake" of confusing the shahada with verses from the Qur'an not just once, but multiple times.

Furthermore, the verses that he misquoted are the first 2 verses of the first surah (chapter) of the Qur'an, Al-Fatihah. After uttering the shahada, memorizing the 7 verses of Al-Fatihah is the most important task a Muslim child (or adult convert) sets out to accomplish. Why? I'll tell you:

It is mandatory that surah Al-Fatihah be recited multiple times in every daily prayer in order for the prayer to be valid. There are 5 compulsory daily prayers, so in a single 24-hour period a practicing Muslim will recite surah Al-Fatihah a minimum of 17 times. In a week? 119 times. A 30-day month? 510 times. A year? 6,120 times. Especially devout Muslims often perform a number of supererogatory prayers, so the total could be significantly higher.

A Muslim child or adult convert may need to look at a piece of paper to get all the verses of Al-Fatihah right during the first month or two that s/he is learning to pray, but after that reciting it becomes as easy & natural as breathing. It's not something one forgets, even after many years.

In other words, to make the claim that not only a former practicing Muslim, but a former practicing Muslim fanatical enough to have been a jihadi, would (on multiple occasions) "mistakenly" confuse the shahada with verses from Al-Fatihah is patently absurd to anyone familiar with the basics of Islam. The absurdity is compounded when one is asked to believe that in addition to this "mistake", Caner also manages to accidentally mangle the Qur'anic verses that he does recite.

re: #440 bkisan

The rubbish part would be that he was never a Muslim in the first place based on a misquote.

Caner may well have self-identified as a Muslim at some point in his youth, but he apparently didn't do so long enough (or wasn't serious enough about it) to have bothered learning even the most fundamental practices. To believe otherwise is not only pure rubbish, but also indicative of an unwillingness to accept facts.

442 bkisan  Sun, Sep 19, 2010 8:38:37pm

When the words are in a third language it can't be akin to something in your own language like "I accept Jesus as my". Being akin would be if those words were in Latin.

Again in the other video you linked to commentators say that he pronouces shahadat slightly different from how Turks generally say that. Therefore they don't believe he's even Turkish or his real name is Ergun Caner.
That's how their technique goes. That technique is balloney.

Anyhow good for you having learned your Muslim prayers down pat and making them as easy as breathing. Congratulations.

443 CuriousLurker  Mon, Sep 20, 2010 4:08:01am

re: #442 bkisan

If that's all you've got, I'll stop wasting my time.

444 bkisan  Mon, Sep 20, 2010 6:18:46am

#443, fine by me.
I've also forgotten some religious mumbo jumbo phrases from my childhood over a few decades.

I think religious phrases are somewhat different from breathing personally.


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