Pair Accused of Trying to Help Venezuela Get Nukes

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NPR has some interesting details on the nuclear physicist and his wife who were arrested and charged with trying to sell nuclear information to Venezuela: Pair Accused Of Trying To Help Venezuela Get Nukes.

CARRIE JOHNSON: Well, the key figure in this case is Pedro Mascheroni. He was born in Argentina, but he became a U.S. citizen in 1972. He worked as a nuclear physicist in a secret unit called the X Division at the Los Alamos Lab for about 10 years. And he’s described as a brilliant scientist, and he had access to highly secret information about the design of nuclear weapons through his job.

But things seemed to go south for him. He got into a big fight with the Department of Energy after speaking out over its failure to fund a project that he highly supported. The government wound up investigating him and yanked his security clearance in 1987. He ultimately left and filed a lawsuit. And sources tell me he kept on being disgruntled all these years.

His wife, Marjorie, also worked at Los Alamos, but she was a technical writer and editor, not a scientist. Prosecutors say she went along with her husband’s plan and accompanied him to drop off some documents and even edited some of his materials.

BLOCK: But, Carrie, this is a guy whose security clearance was yanked more than 20 years ago. What would he have had that would have been of value?

JOHNSON: Sources are telling me everything he needed to know he kept in his head. This is a very smart scientist who had Q-level security clearance - one of the highest in the government. And he was able to reconstruct most of what he wanted to know and tell the Venezuelan government, allegedly, by just thinking back to his experience in the business.

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186 comments
1 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 1:44:28pm

A mind is a terrible thing to waste…

2 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 1:49:17pm

I wonder what the heck Chavez would do with a nuke. He can’t very well use it on Panama or Colombia, which are west of Venezuela (fallout), and who else can he really threaten?

3 darthstar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 1:50:24pm

re: #2 ClaudeMonet

I wonder what the heck Chavez would do with a nuke. He can’t very well use it on Panama or Colombia, which are west of Venezuela (fallout), and who else can he really threaten?

Israel…duh.
//

4 Cato the Elder  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 1:51:21pm

Moonbats? Or just people with a grudge?

5 Kragar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 1:52:06pm

re: #2 ClaudeMonet

I wonder what the heck Chavez would do with a nuke. He can’t very well use it on Panama or Colombia, which are west of Venezuela (fallout), and who else can he really threaten?

Use it like North Korea. “We’re gonna go nuts and if you try and call us on it, we’ll drop a nuke.”

6 darthstar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 1:56:08pm

re: #4 Cato the Elder

Moonbats? Or just people with a grudge?

Maybe they’re just taking advantage of the free market.

7 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 1:56:13pm

He had his security clearance yanked, but his wife still worked there until this year. That doesn’t sound like good security protocol.

8 John Vreeland  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 1:56:56pm

Actually the technology is nowhere near as hard to get as the weapon-grade Uranium/Plutonium. That’s why we called BS on Iran’s claim to have halted nuclear weapon research; they were continuing refinement, which is by far the hard part. Once you have the material the technology is relatively simple, assuming you have a certain technological infrastructure. Heck, undergrads were designing bombs back in the 70’s.

9 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 1:57:35pm

It’s important to note this was a pure sting and nobody from Venezuela was actually involved. I’m fairly sure Oogo would like to have a nuke to rattle around, but this wasn’t part of any real effort on his part to acquire one.

10 Kragar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 1:57:38pm

re: #6 darthstar

Maybe they’re just taking advantage of the free market.

How dare the government interfere with a private citizens business arrangements!!! Big government strikes again.
/

11 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 1:58:03pm

re: #3 darthstar

Israel…duh.
//

“We Israelis refuse to confirm or deny that we possess nuclear weapons. However, just remember that you’re on our list of who they could be used against, assuming we have any.”

12 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:02:13pm

…and I see the new formatting has reached the big page of Pages. Looks nice.

13 kirkspencer  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:02:58pm

re: #2 ClaudeMonet

I wonder what the heck Chavez would do with a nuke. He can’t very well use it on Panama or Colombia, which are west of Venezuela (fallout), and who else can he really threaten?

If I were to guess, probably as a deadman switch. “If you invade me, I’ll use this.”

While nuclear proliferation brings the fear of casual use of these weapons, I think there’s another possibility, one which never seems fully considered. That’s the possibility of, if you’ll forgive the shift, “armed societies being polite societies.”

Rhetoric is rhetoric. And there are always nuts who’ll use their guns, sorry, nukes and not care of the consequences. But I am old enough to remember when everyone was convinced the US and USSR would turn the globe into a nuclear wasteland — and to note that one reason neither attacked was MAD.

Use one and die. But if you’re attacked and going to die anyway, use it so the attacker pays the price.

I might be wrong; it wouldn’t be the first time. It’s just… I don’t see Chavez (or for that matter the Supreme Leader of Iran) committing suicide just to hurt a hated enemy. Send others to commit suicide, sure, but themselves?

14 researchok  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:03:08pm

Iran backs down and Chavez backs doors a nuke to them.

They pass it on to Hizbollah….

15 darthstar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:04:24pm

re: #14 researchok

Iran backs down and Chavez backs doors a nuke to them.

They pass it on to Hizbollah…

Now you’re playing Conspiracy Theory 2.0 like a pro!

16 Sol Berdinowitz  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:04:50pm

re: #14 researchok

Iran backs down and Chavez backs doors a nuke to them.

They pass it on to Hizbollah…

He will sell it to them for in exchange for more oil.

/

17 McSpiff  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:04:56pm

re: #14 researchok

Iran backs down and Chavez backs doors a nuke to them.

They pass it on to Hizbollah…

You do know Venezuela had nothing to do with this right?

18 researchok  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:05:27pm

Maybe.

But Chavez and Ahmadenijad have been very tight as of late.

Ah, who the hell knows?

19 researchok  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:06:10pm

re: #17 McSpiff

You do know Venezuela had nothing to do with this right?

Yes- my point was that scenario would make sense to the perpetrators

20 darthstar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:06:13pm

re: #18 researchok

Maybe.

But Chavez and Ahmadenijad have been very tight as of late.

Ah, who the hell knows?

He’s also tight with Castro! OMFGZ!!11ty!

21 McSpiff  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:06:26pm

re: #18 researchok

Maybe.

But Chavez and Ahmadenijad have been very tight as of late.

Ah, who the hell knows?

…There’s no maybe at all. This was the FBI posing as the government of Venezuela. Chavez has literally nothing to do with this discussion.

22 researchok  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:06:54pm

One would think they came the couple with a story that was believable

23 kirkspencer  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:07:09pm

re: #14 researchok

Iran backs down and Chavez backs doors a nuke to them.

They pass it on to Hizbollah…

A counterpoint. If Iran passes it to Hizbollah, what’s to stop those leaders from becoming the next leaders of Iran instead of messing around with Israel? After all, the captain of the lifeboat is the man who controls the gun.

24 darthstar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:07:32pm

re: #21 McSpiff

…There’s no maybe at all. This was the FBI posing as the government of Venezuela. Chavez has literally nothing to do with this discussion.

So the FBI is actually the Venezuelan Government? That Obama is smarter than we thought.

25 researchok  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:07:49pm

re: #21 McSpiff

…There’s no maybe at all. This was the FBI posing as the government of Venezuela. Chavez has literally nothing to do with this discussion.

Yes, as I noted the story would have had to make sense to them.

That scenario makes sense.

26 McSpiff  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:09:28pm

re: #25 researchok

Yes, as I noted the story would have had to make sense to them.

That scenario makes sense.

…to this scientist.

27 researchok  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:10:34pm

re: #23 kirkspencer

A counterpoint. If Iran passes it to Hizbollah, what’s to stop those leaders from becoming the next leaders of Iran instead of messing around with Israel? After all, the captain of the lifeboat is the man who controls the gun.

Hizbollah has no interest in controlling Iran.

Lebanon and Syria, maybe.

The eradication of Israel, for sure.

28 freetoken  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:15:00pm

re: #4 Cato the Elder

Moonbats? Or just people with a grudge?

From the NPR article:

Mascheroni apparently made no secret of his anger at the government. And so when the FBI reached out through an undercover agent in 2008, he told them he had already planned to visit Venezuela and meet with officials there to talk about it. He told the FBI the Department of Energy was his enemy. And he allegedly said that meant he had something in common with the Venezuelan president, Hugo Chavez.

This FBI sting is one way to catch people who are security risks. The person in question appears to have had some serious issues.

29 darthstar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:16:41pm

re: #28 freetoken


This FBI sting is one way to catch people who are security risks. The person in question appears to have had some serious issues.


Ya think?

30 researchok  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:17:34pm

re: #29 darthstar

Ya think?

He must have said something to some get on the fed radar.

31 freetoken  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:17:56pm

re: #29 darthstar

I meant anger issues.

People of all sorts have anger problems, but when they start blaming “the government” I question what is really going on.

32 McSpiff  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:18:15pm

re: #30 researchok

He must have said something to some get on the fed radar.

I imagine everyone who loses clearance is on the radar.

33 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:21:12pm

re: #12 wrenchwench

…and I see the new formatting has reached the big page of Pages. Looks nice.

Yeah, I’m still working on it, but I like the clean look much more, with larger headlines and similar styling to the front page posts.

34 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:23:53pm

re: #32 McSpiff

I imagine everyone who loses clearance is on the radar.

I agree..The Gov’t may be slow..But they aren’t stupid…
I was surprised to here he had a Q clearance…I was a Nuke for 20 years and never even heard of that clearance…In the Navy the highest we could get was an Ocean Engineering clearance..Way above Top Secret…
If you were OE you knew all the good shit

35 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:24:44pm

re: #34 HoosierHoops

I agree..The Gov’t may be slow..But they aren’t stupid…
I was surprised to here he had a Q clearance…I was a Nuke for 20 years and never even heard of that clearance…In the Navy the highest we could get was an Ocean Engineering clearance..Way above Top Secret…
If you were OE you knew all the good shit

Do tell…
///

36 Cato the Elder  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:26:48pm

Is the Q Clearance named after the Star Trek dude?

37 McSpiff  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:29:03pm

re: #34 HoosierHoops

I agree..The Gov’t may be slow..But they aren’t stupid…
I was surprised to here he had a Q clearance…I was a Nuke for 20 years and never even heard of that clearance…In the Navy the highest we could get was an Ocean Engineering clearance..Way above Top Secret…
If you were OE you knew all the good shit

Heh I’m getting my Level II (Secret) at the moment… looking at a 4 month wait for what’s essentially the lowest level… slow can be an understatement ;-)

38 Kragar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:29:38pm

re: #36 Cato the Elder

Is the Q Clearance named after the Star Trek dude?

No, it was established in 1954 to cover non-military personnel with access to nuclear information.

39 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:30:33pm

re: #34 HoosierHoops

I agree..The Gov’t may be slow..But they aren’t stupid…
I was surprised to here he had a Q clearance…I was a Nuke for 20 years and never even heard of that clearance…In the Navy the highest we could get was an Ocean Engineering clearance..Way above Top Secret…
If you were OE you knew all the good shit

Was that mostly for high-level workers?

40 darthstar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:32:34pm

re: #34 HoosierHoops

There is no greater security clearance level than root.

41 McSpiff  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:34:13pm

re: #40 darthstar

There is no greater security clearance level than root.

The NSA disagrees… [Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

42 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:34:48pm

re: #36 Cato the Elder

Is the Q Clearance named after the Star Trek dude?

LOL I dunno know..Never heard of it.. But think about it…Like with a OE clearance.. ( I never got one..The Gov’t isn’t that trusting) you could retire.. sit at a bar and draw on a napkin things that 6 billion humans don’t have a clue about…Oh..This is how it works..See?
The most important part of gaining an FBI clearance is the Character of the person applying for it

43 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:37:34pm

The highest security clearance I ever had was the Blue Key.
;)

44 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:39:19pm

re: #40 darthstar

There is no greater security clearance level than root.

Enoch Root.

45 Kragar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:40:44pm

re: #40 darthstar

There is no greater security clearance level than root.

Keys to the cabinet and wire snips beats root.

46 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:42:01pm

re: #45 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Keys to the cabinet and wire snips beats root.

Yeah, well, rock beats that.

47 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:42:16pm

re: #43 Varek Raith

The highest security clearance I ever had was the Blue Key.
;)

I thought you had Sith Override Codes.

48 Kragar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:42:55pm

re: #46 Varek Raith

Yeah, well, rock beats that.

Fire beats rock.

49 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:43:01pm

re: #47 Dark_Falcon

I thought you had Sith Override Codes.

Well, I do if I’m being subtle.
Otherwise, I force blast the door open.

50 darthstar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:43:08pm

re: #46 Varek Raith

Yeah, well, rock beats that.

Paper, motherfucker! Take THAT! (thanks for taking out the scissors for me…they’re tough).

51 Kragar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:43:36pm

re: #49 Varek Raith

Well, I do if I’m being subtle.
Otherwise, I force blast the door open.

Antibiotics > Teh Force

52 darthstar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:43:47pm

re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Fire beats rock.

Fire heats rock.

53 aerial_drone  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:43:53pm

Don’t you think the world’s overdue for a nuclear war?

54 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:44:27pm

re: #53 aerial_drone

Sure, let me get on that…
.
.
.
WTF kind of question is that???

55 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:45:31pm

re: #40 darthstar

There is no greater security clearance level than root.

You rock!
You know you have go go through the FBI interview for a couple of hours..It’s tough to go TS…They interview your teachers, coaches, friends, neighbors and then discuss that with you to find out what kind of man you really are…
I was told no matter what they ask you about your sordid youth.. DO NOT LIE!
Truth is very important..

56 McSpiff  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:45:41pm

re: #44 Walter L. Newton

Enoch Root.

Great character.

57 Kragar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:45:43pm

re: #53 aerial_drone

Well, thats a perfectably reasonable question once you factor in the asker is a fucking moron.

58 allegro  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:46:05pm

Back in the late 70s during my Fish & Wildlife days, some mice found a home in the control room of NASA (look out Christine!), that were having some fun with wiring. So they call us in to get rid of the mice. I tell ‘em, I don’t do mice, I’m a predator and populations specialist. They say, we don’t care, get the damn mice. BUT, in order to go in and get the damn mice we had to get security clearance. These FBI guys show up at my parents’ house and interview them and the neighbors. They interview my neighbors at the apt complex where I lived. They did back ground checks, credit checks, all kinds of checks. I got my top secret (or whatever) clearance. The funny thing is, one of the guys I worked with was denied clearance cuz his grand dad was a communist or went to a meeting or something. He wasn’t allowed to croak some squeakers at NASA.

All this to set out a few mouse traps. Damnedest thing.

59 aerial_drone  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:47:01pm

re: #57 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Ever heard of irony?

60 McSpiff  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:47:16pm

re: #55 HoosierHoops

You rock!
You know you have go go through the FBI interview for a couple of hours..It’s tough to go TS…They interview your teachers, coaches, friends, neighbors and then discuss that with you to find out what kind of man you really are…
I was told no matter what they ask you about your sordid youth.. DO NOT LIE!
Truth is very important..

The RCMP conducts security screening for CSIS (Canadian CIA), and part of the interview includes fun polygraph questions on bestiality and pedophilia.

61 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:47:17pm

re: #58 allegro

They better have paid you well!

62 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:47:40pm

re: #59 aerial_drone

Sure have.
You, not so much.

63 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:47:45pm

re: #56 McSpiff

Great character.

And after I posted that… I realized I gave away a really BIG spoiler all in a simple name. Hopefully it was a vague enough reference that it won’t ruin the material for anyone.

64 Kragar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:48:01pm

re: #59 aerial_drone

Ever heard of irony?

Yes, you can’t pull it off.

65 Kronocide  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:48:21pm

re: #58 allegro

That’s tragically funny. Know we know why toilet seats cost $600.

Is aerial drone going to quit droning out one liners and get to some real dialog and say something of weight?

66 aerial_drone  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:48:44pm

I love to watch you chumps get all spun up. Pass the popcorn.

67 McSpiff  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:48:48pm

re: #63 Walter L. Newton

And after I posted that… I realized I gave away a really BIG spoiler all in a simple name. Hopefully it was a vague enough reference that it won’t ruin the material for anyone.

I think you’re alright, although I hope someone thinks back to it… actually a very witty reference.

68 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:49:03pm

re: #53 aerial_drone

Well..I think you are overdue for getting your sorry ass kicked out of here..

69 engineer cat  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:49:27pm

re: #58 allegro

there was a job i didn’t get because i don’t pass some levels of clearance any more

problem: father in law is a citizen of the evil enemy nation of communist canada

70 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:49:27pm

re: #66 aerial_drone

Ah, now I see your game.

71 Charles Johnson  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:49:30pm

re: #66 aerial_drone

And with that, I bid you adieu.

72 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:49:39pm

re: #66 aerial_drone

I love to watch you chumps get all spun up. Pass the popcorn.

Well, then you should be amorous over this… kiss my ass.

73 Kragar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:49:41pm

Obvious troll is obvious.

74 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:49:47pm

re: #53 aerial_drone

Obvious Troll is still obvious.

75 bratwurst  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:49:55pm

re: #53 aerial_drone

Don’t you think the world’s overdue for a nuclear war?

Aren’t you overdue for a post in which you lament how Charles and LGF have lost their way?

76 allegro  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:50:02pm

re: #61 Varek Raith

They better have paid you well!

HAHAHAHAHA! I wish. One is not a government biologist for the paycheck. Need a magnifying glass to see it.

77 darthstar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:50:08pm

re: #59 aerial_drone

Ever heard of irony?


Yep…used it to press my wife’s blousy before taking her to work this morning.
(it was funny, by the way…the guy at Bev-Mo about shit when I asked for a case of Patron Silver. He said, “Really? A whole case!” My wife said, “It’s for me.” —then she explained that she managed the suites and last night they went through 13 bottles of Silver at the park’s bars…it’s good to be in first place).

78 jaunte  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:50:10pm

re: #66 aerial_drone

Pass the cliche.

79 wrenchwench  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:50:31pm

re: #75 bratwurst

Aren’t you overdue for a post in which you lament how Charles and LGF have lost their way?

Ooops, too late now.

Where’s that sock….

80 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:50:48pm

re: #71 Charles

And with that, I bid you adieu.

And now I don’t!
:)

81 Kronocide  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:50:56pm

re: #66 aerial_drone

You come here to ‘spin up chumps?’ What are you like 12?

This is an adult sand box.

82 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:52:04pm

re: #66 aerial_drone

GAZE

83 darthstar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:53:00pm

re: #60 McSpiff

The RCMP conducts security screening for CSIS (Canadian CIA), and part of the interview includes fun polygraph questions on bestiality and pedophilia.

I work for a software security co. now. Full disk encryption on my laptop and desktops…passwords up the ass…but hey, we get some decent gov’t contracts, so we’re pretty recession proof.

84 Shiplord Kirel  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:53:23pm

re: #53 aerial_drone

Don’t you think the world’s overdue for a nuclear war?

Yeah, I’m getting a little tired of maintaining this 3500 sq.ft. bunker year in and year out, and even military grade MREs have a shelf life, not to mention the diesel in the tank buried under the rest of my yard. I also had to wire it for internet myself. Of course, that won’t be available WTSHTF, but I have to do something with all this space in the meantime. On a positive note, I did find the right batteries for my 1953 GI Geiger Counter.
At this rate, I’ll be too old to bust out and take over when the fallout clears, let alone do anything about that harem of contrite lefty chicks and hot new widows who didn’t know you could survive this sort of thing.

85 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:53:43pm

re: #71 Charles

And with that, I bid you adieu.

And the troll is clubbed. Let me get him to the grill.

86 engineer cat  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:53:48pm

clearly, the world is overdue for more idiots posting stupid things on comment threads

87 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:54:01pm

re: #84 Shiplord Kirel

Yeah, I’m getting a little tired of maintaining this 3500 sq.ft. bunker year in and year out, and even military grade MREs have a shelf life, not to mention the diesel in the tank buried under the rest of my yard. I also had to wire it for internet myself. Of course, that won’t be available WTSHTF, but I have to do something with all this space in the meantime. On a positive note, I did find the right batteries for my 1953 GI Geiger Counter.
At this rate, I’ll be too old to bust out and take over when the fallout clears, let alone do anything about that harem of contrite lefty chicks and hot new widows who didn’t know you could survive this sort of thing.

I know!
Damn thing’s a money sink.

88 austin_blue  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:54:26pm

aerial_drone.

Alas, poor shit-stirrer, we hardly knew ye…

89 darthstar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:55:11pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

And the troll is clubbed. Let me get him to the grill.

It was kind of Charles to fly him out to sea before pushing the joy-stick forward…it being fire season and all.

90 McSpiff  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:55:17pm

re: #83 darthstar

I work for a software security co. now. Full disk encryption on my laptop and desktops…passwords up the ass…but hey, we get some decent gov’t contracts, so we’re pretty recession proof.

I’m doing a part time internship at lockheed martin… swipe to get in the doors, swipe to get in the elevator, swipe to get off the elevator, swipe to get into cubicles…

91 allegro  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:55:18pm

re: #69 engineer dog

problem: father in law is a citizen of the evil enemy nation of communist canada

Once upon I time I wouldn’t have believed that. Do now!

I really should add that the NASA control room and that area back there is freaking amazing. I did about get all goosebumpy thinking about all the stuff that had gone on in there - not that it was when I went in. It was a great experience.

92 jaunte  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:56:36pm

In the real world of maintaining aerial drones, my son-in-law just made tech sergeant.

Within the enlisted Air Force, promotion to TSgt has historically been the second most difficult rank to achieve (only the rank of Senior Master Sergeant, capped by Federal law, has lower promotion rates) and is the most difficult promotion most career Air Force members achieve. [Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

93 darthstar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:57:05pm

re: #90 McSpiff

I’m doing a part time internship at lockheed martin… swipe to get in the doors, swipe to get in the elevator, swipe to get off the elevator, swipe to get into cubicles…

I interviewed a candidate a few months ago who mistakenly took the elevator to the parking lot after the interview instead of the lobby. An hour later, as I was leaving, I found him still locked underground trying to find an exit. I had him walk in front of my car as I set off the gate so he could escape the property…still laugh about that one with my co-workers from time to time.

94 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:57:07pm

Thanks to my new benefits with Healthcare I got my scrip for anti-chump syndrome this month…( And no co-pay!)

95 McSpiff  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:58:13pm

re: #93 darthstar

I interviewed a candidate a few months ago who mistakenly took the elevator to the parking lot after the interview instead of the lobby. An hour later, as I was leaving, I found him still locked underground trying to find an exit. I had him walk in front of my car as I set off the gate so he could escape the property…still laugh about that one with my co-workers from time to time.

“Now I’m gonna be going about 45, so the timing is going to be a little tight for you…”

96 engineer cat  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:58:15pm

re: #91 allegro

Once upon I time I wouldn’t have believed that. Do now!

I really should add that the NASA control room and that area back there is freaking amazing. I did about get all goosebumpy thinking about all the stuff that had gone on in there - not that it was when I went in. It was a great experience.

i only saw a little of it when i was working for the army, but i hear that the armed forces and nasa have done some amazing things in the way of graphical user interface development

97 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:58:53pm

re: #89 darthstar

It was kind of Charles to fly him out to sea before pushing the joy-stick forward…it being fire season and all.

LOL! Though I see it more as Charles engaging a ground-based Phalanx CIWS and firing a barrage of explosive logic into aerial drone.

98 Ojoe  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 2:59:31pm

The worst backdoor to nukes getting in the wrong hands, IMHO, is Pakistan; they could put a fake nuke in their inventory and pass the real one to whomever.

What a nightmare.

Pakistani Nukes

99 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:00:01pm

re: #90 McSpiff

I’m doing a part time internship at lockheed martin… swipe to get in the doors, swipe to get in the elevator, swipe to get off the elevator, swipe to get into cubicles…

I was at Lockheed about 4 years ago, for 2 months, short term contract, needed a SP85 clearance. I spent 2 months, being paid 57 dollars an hour, and they were so backed up in getting the clearances processed, that I didn’t get the clearance until one week before they moved funding on the project to something else, a let the 6 contractors on the project go.

I was paid 18,240 dollars (on a 1099) of tax payers money for doing nothing except showing up. I lived the rest of the year off of that contract (couldn’t find any other work that year), including financing a little vacation to Paris.

100 Cato the Elder  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:00:24pm

re: #53 aerial_drone

Don’t you think the world’s overdue for a nuclear war?

Go away, shitty little man.

101 darthstar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:00:41pm

re: #98 Ojoe

The worst backdoor to nukes getting in the wrong hands, IMHO, is Pakistan; they could put a fake nuke in their inventory and pass the real one to whomever.

What a nightmare.

Pakistani Nukes

I was going to say something about Pakistani nukes, but really, if someone wants to get a nuke, they’re going to get one. The technology for building them is 70 years old now.

102 McSpiff  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:01:16pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

LOL! Though I see it more as Charles engaging a ground-based Phalanx CIWS and firing a barrage of explosive logic into aerial drone.

My internship may or may not involve the CIWS-1b…

103 darthstar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:01:26pm

re: #100 Cato the Elder

Go away, shitty little man.

Shitty little man already found his way down to the leach line, courtesy of Charles.

104 darthstar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:02:16pm

re: #102 McSpiff

My internship may or may not involve the CIWS-1b…

They’re great for hunting rabbits.

105 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:02:56pm

Given history, am I naive to think that pretty much nothing important happens south of the border without the full and complete knowledge of the CIA? A WMD crisis in South America seems extremely unlikely.

106 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:03:15pm

re: #99 Walter L. Newton

I was at Lockheed about 4 years ago, for 2 months, short term contract, needed a SP85 clearance. I spent 2 months, being paid 57 dollars an hour, and they were so backed up in getting the clearances processed, that I didn’t get the clearance until one week before they moved funding on the project to something else, a let the 6 contractors on the project go.

I was paid 18,240 dollars (on a 1099) of tax payers money for doing nothing except showing up. I lived the rest of the year off of that contract (couldn’t find any other work that year), including financing a little vacation to Paris.

How did you manage to live on that little? Not being hostile, just curious.

107 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:03:53pm

re: #104 darthstar

They’re great for hunting rabbits.

Just ask Sarah Palin.

108 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:03:57pm

re: #97 Dark_Falcon

LOL! Though I see it more as Charles engaging a ground-based Phalanx CIWS and firing a barrage of explosive logic into aerial drone.

No.
MIM-14 Nike-Hercules.
BWAHAHAHAHA!

109 darthstar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:04:18pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

How did you manage to live on that little? Not being hostile, just curious.

That’s triple what O’Donnell lived on for the last year…officially, anyway.

110 Kronocide  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:04:39pm

Shitty Little Man… is that like a neo societal Australopithecus or modern day internet Neandertal Man?

111 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:04:59pm

re: #99 Walter L. Newton

If I recall it took about 2 years to go to each level of clearance until TS at MINSY unless you were in a Nuke Apprenticeship then You had to clear before so long or they let you go… I think about 6 months…It wasn’t long

112 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:06:37pm

re: #108 Varek Raith

No.
MIM-14 Nike-Hercules.
BWAHAHAHAHA!

Nah, that’s overkill. Must be mindful of taxpayer money. This isn’t the Empire, after all.

113 McSpiff  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:06:59pm

I’m actually really excited for the project I’ve been given by Lockheed, and since the University requires a certain amount of public disclosure(that LM has agreed to in advance), I’m hoping I’ll be able to give you guys some of the same info, once I’ve had it cleared. I know we have a fairly large number of tech people here that I think would find it interesting…

114 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:07:56pm

re: #111 HoosierHoops

If I recall it took about 2 years to go to each level of clearance until TS at MINSY unless you were in a Nuke Apprenticeship then You had to clear before so long or they let you go… I think about 6 months…It wasn’t long

Mare Island: The shipyard that built a destroyer in less than a season.

115 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:08:55pm

re: #113 McSpiff

Sounds great.. Good Luck and have fun! I love tech projects..

116 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:09:38pm

re: #114 Dark_Falcon

Mare Island: The shipyard that built a destroyer in less than a season.

20 Years at Mare Island my Brother

117 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:10:09pm

re: #116 HoosierHoops

20 Years at Mare Island my Brother

Neat.

118 Kronocide  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:12:48pm

re: #116 HoosierHoops

20 Years at Mare Island my Brother

Honco salute. About 30 minutes from one of my favorite places, Napa.

119 darthstar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:13:34pm

Al D’Amato (R) pwns another (R) strategist for using racial language on Fox Business…actually calls it “racist bullshit”…more than once.

Of course, the panel neglects the fact that the Post Office is actually self-funding.

120 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:14:36pm

re: #118 BigPapa

Honco salute. About 30 minutes from one of my favorite places, Napa.

Funny how that works..I grew up there! LOL
/How is the weather in Hawaii today? Don’t tell me I don’t wanna know..

121 darthstar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:15:29pm

Okay…I think it’s time I went for a bike ride…going to try and do a 20 mile loop up here on top of the hill. See you all in an hour or so.

122 Kronocide  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:17:14pm

re: #120 HoosierHoops

Funny how that works..I grew up there! LOL
/How is the weather in Hawaii today? Don’t tell me I don’t wanna know..

It’s miserable, grey, cloudy, dreary. I haven’t even turned on the fan yet it’s that cold. Feel better?

Oh, sorry. It’s fine. I was looking up mountain. The ocean is all sunny.

123 Kronocide  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:18:30pm

Hoops, you got to grow up in Napa and work in Mare? Sweet, that’s a good run.

124 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:18:46pm

re: #119 darthstar

Privatize homeland security?!?!
Lol.

125 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:19:40pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

How did you manage to live on that little? Not being hostile, just curious.

In late 2004, early 2005, I saw some signs at the National Renewable Energy Lab where I worked, signs that indicated they were going to find ways to cut their budget (since congress was cutting their budget), starting with the contractors working for Midwest Research Inc. (the actual company I worked for). I had been there almost 15 years. They were putting pressure on older staff that had evident health problems, pressuring them to take early retirements, “buy outs” or laying them off with a good severance “bonus”. I had spent the the last part of 2004 and into 2005 with 3 broken ribs that were not healing properly, and I was in a lot of pain, and occasionally, on a lot of drugs. Where as my attendance wasn’t horrible, there were times when it was spotty.

So, I had an idea that the shit may hit the fan for me. So, I started to circle the wagons, paying off big bills, dumping cash into all the little accounts… hell, between the wife and I, we made 120 thousand a year, we had a lot of fun money. But I put my foot down and we started to drop debt.

I did get laid off in May 2005, and I was reemployed by Aug. 2005, but it was at 42 thousand a year (I was making 82 thousand) and it didn’t take the wife 6 months to realize that she wasn’t going to be having the same standard of living as we had before, even though it was fine, bills were paid and no one was really suffering.

The marriage blew up, I was asked to leave, over the next few years I lost the house… but I walked away from the whole affair with very little financial obligations.

I’m flexible, I do what I need to do, I can live in a closet if need be… and I basically did for a number of years.

And as a regular Lizard, you you’ve kept up with the recent parts of the story. I’m doing what I need to do… always have.

Downsized is the short answer to your question.

126 Cato the Elder  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:20:08pm

re: #119 darthstar

Self-funding with a $7 billion deficit? Neat trick!

127 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:20:12pm

re: #116 HoosierHoops

20 Years at Mare Island my Brother

I know. But my books have some stories of the place, and USS Ward is my favorite of them. Built in less than a season in 1918, she served the US Navy till 1945.

128 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:20:13pm

re: #119 darthstar

DAMN!
Go D’Amato!!

129 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:21:32pm

re: #119 darthstar

Al D’Amato (R) pwns another (R) strategist for using racial language on Fox Business…actually calls it “racist bullshit”…more than once.

[Video]

Of course, the panel neglects the fact that the Post Office is actually self-funding.

“If I were President of the United States I would cease all federal funding, and or involvement, and or pressure, and or anything with the mail service.” -Jack Burkman

Um, wouldn’t we need to amend the Constitution first?:

To establish post offices and post roads.

Article 1, Section 8 (Scope of Legislative Authority)

130 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:22:57pm

re: #125 Walter L. Newton

In late 2004, early 2005, I saw some signs at the National Renewable Energy Lab where I worked, signs that indicated they were going to find ways to cut their budget (since congress was cutting their budget), starting with the contractors working for Midwest Research Inc. (the actual company I worked for). I had been there almost 15 years. They were putting pressure on older staff that had evident health problems, pressuring them to take early retirements, “buy outs” or laying them off with a good severance “bonus”. I had spent the the last part of 2004 and into 2005 with 3 broken ribs that were not healing properly, and I was in a lot of pain, and occasionally, on a lot of drugs. Where as my attendance wasn’t horrible, there were times when it was spotty.

So, I had an idea that the shit may hit the fan for me. So, I started to circle the wagons, paying off big bills, dumping cash into all the little accounts… hell, between the wife and I, we made 120 thousand a year, we had a lot of fun money. But I put my foot down and we started to drop debt.

I did get laid off in May 2005, and I was reemployed by Aug. 2005, but it was at 42 thousand a year (I was making 82 thousand) and it didn’t take the wife 6 months to realize that she wasn’t going to be having the same standard of living as we had before, even though it was fine, bills were paid and no one was really suffering.

The marriage blew up, I was asked to leave, over the next few years I lost the house… but I walked away from the whole affair with very little financial obligations.

I’m flexible, I do what I need to do, I can live in a closet if need be… and I basically did for a number of years.

And as a regular Lizard, you you’ve kept up with the recent parts of the story. I’m doing what I need to do… always have.

Downsized is the short answer to your question.

Thank you. Your sense of self-reliance is rare thing these days, but its a good thing to see.

131 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:23:02pm

re: #129 goddamnedfrank

Details, details.
/

132 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:23:33pm

re: #123 BigPapa

Hoops, you got to grow up in Napa and work in Mare? Sweet, that’s a good run.

Yes..I grew up in Yountville…

133 Cato the Elder  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:25:42pm

re: #106 Dark_Falcon

How did you manage to live on that little? Not being hostile, just curious.

You do realize that a family of four making not much more than that is held to have escaped poverty in this joke of a nation, right?

134 Varek Raith  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:26:35pm

BBL, gonna go for a walk.

135 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:27:40pm

re: #129 goddamnedfrank

“If I were President of the United States I would cease all federal funding, and or involvement, and or pressure, and or anything with the mail service.” -Jack Burkman

Um, wouldn’t we need to amend the Constitution first?:

Well, it would not take a constitutional amendment to privatize the Post Office (Congress is not required to maintain it as a government institution, but rather is allowed to do so), but it would take an act of Congress. It’s not something the president can do unilaterally.

136 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:28:22pm

re: #130 Dark_Falcon

Thank you. Your sense of self-reliance is rare thing these days, but its a good thing to see.

Just for accuracy sake… that story was in relation to the LAST “fortune” I lost, the last marriage and the whole domestic thing… it has happened 3 times before that… it’s a hobby.

When you spend a good part of your life building up a life and a life style, only to see it go away, 4 times in my case, aside from assessing any blame (since bottom line, who’s to blame doesn’t change what happened)… self-reliance sometimes finds you.

You’re part is in recognizing it, not fighting it and use it to your advantage.

137 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:28:46pm

re: #133 Cato the Elder

You do realize that a family of four making not much more than that is held to have escaped poverty in this joke of a nation, right?

No, I didn’t.

138 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:30:30pm

re: #137 Dark_Falcon

No, I didn’t.

If you are a family of four making 22,050 or less, you are considered at the poverty level…

[Link: aspe.hhs.gov…]

139 compound idaho  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:31:54pm

re: #136 Walter L. Newton

Just for accuracy sake… that story was in relation to the LAST “fortune” I lost, the last marriage and the whole domestic thing… it has happened 3 times before that… it’s a hobby.

When you spend a good part of your life building up a life and a life style, only to see it go away, 4 times in my case, aside from assessing any blame (since bottom line, who’s to blame doesn’t change what happened)… self-reliance sometimes finds you.

You’re part is in recognizing it, not fighting it and use it to your advantage.

I’m working on my second million ………

I gave up on my first.

140 Cato the Elder  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:33:21pm

re: #138 Walter L. Newton

If you are a family of four making 22,050 or less, you are considered at the poverty level…

[Link: aspe.hhs.gov…]

And 14.3% of Amercan families now fit that bill.

141 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:34:17pm

re: #140 Cato the Elder

And 14.3% of Amercan families now fit that bill.

That’s a messed up stat.

142 allegro  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:35:18pm

re: #140 Cato the Elder

And 14.3% of Amercan families now fit that bill.

Is that from the most recent census?

143 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:35:38pm

re: #138 Walter L. Newton

If you are a family of four making 22,050 or less, you are considered at the poverty level…

[Link: aspe.hhs.gov…]

Every time I see a homeless person trudging down the street with everything they own in a shopping cart I think to myself…There for but the Grace of God and 2 paychecks go I.

144 Cato the Elder  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:36:26pm

re: #142 allegro

Is that from the most recent census?

Very recent economic news from the gubmint.

145 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:36:52pm

re: #143 HoosierHoops

Every time I see a homeless person trudging down the street with everything they own in a shopping cart I think to myself…There for but the Grace of God and 2 paychecks go I.

Good way to think of it.

146 Cato the Elder  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:37:47pm

re: #143 HoosierHoops

Nah. Haku and I would take you in.

147 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:38:15pm

re: #142 allegro

Is that from the most recent census?

[Link: www.suntimes.com…]

148 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:38:22pm

re: #136 Walter L. Newton

When you spend a good part of your life building up a life and a life style, only to see it go away, 4 times in my case, aside from assessing any blame (since bottom line, who’s to blame doesn’t change what happened)… self-reliance sometimes finds you.

Walter has this experience four times and finds self-reliance. I have it once and find relentless misanthropy and suicidal ideation tempered only by pure cowardace.

Pretty cool.

149 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:38:51pm

re: #135 Dark_Falcon

Well, it would not take a constitutional amendment to privatize the Post Office (Congress is not required to maintain it as a government institution, but rather is allowed to do so), but it would take an act of Congress. It’s not something the president can do unilaterally.

By your logic Article 1, Section 8 doesn’t require the government to “maintain” an army as a government institution either, only to “raise and support armies.” Contrast this to the the language that requires the legislature to “provide and maintain a navy.” As a fierce opponent of private armies, I find this piddly linguistic distinction to be utterly meaningless.

150 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:41:19pm

re: #146 Cato the Elder

Nah. Haku and I would take you in.

:)
Winston is not taking well to hotel life..He sits at the door and barks at every noise..And he is giving me that look If I don’t take him out for his walk he will shit on the carpet..And I think he means it!

151 mikhailtheplumber  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:42:53pm

re: #133 Cato the Elder

You do realize that a family of four making not much more than that is held to have escaped poverty in this joke of a nation, right?

America, the country of the middle-class… that is, where you can call yourself middle-class (and the president will call the the middle-class) whether you make 15k a year or 250k.

152 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:43:29pm

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

That’s a messed up stat.

Agreed, so then why do you treat cutting taxes for the top 2% like some kind of religious conviction? Especially considering that the Bush Treasury Department tried to prove that cutting taxes for the rich would increase revenue and create jobs, but couldn’t.

153 allegro  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:43:54pm

re: #150 HoosierHoops

And he is giving me that look If I don’t take him out for his walk he will shit on the carpet..And I think he means it!

at least he’s a tiny pooper

154 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:44:59pm

re: #149 goddamnedfrank

By your logic Article 1, Section 8 doesn’t require the government to “maintain” an army as a government institution either, only to “raise and support armies.” Contrast this to the the language that requires the legislature to “provide and maintain a navy.” As a fierce opponent of private armies, I find this piddly linguistic distinction to be utterly meaningless.

Two points:

1. The government did not initially form an army. That took a few years, and that first army, the American Legion (nods to Cato) was used to subdue Indians who were violently opposing settlers moving onto lands that had been ceded by treaty to the US but where their people had lived for centuries. (Sorry for the digression.)

2. It could argued that things are different between the Army and the Post Office, since the latter does not involve the use of force.

155 Crimsonfisted  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:46:13pm

re: #85 Dark_Falcon

I’m bringing the beer. (I’ll be the one wearing the thong bikini.)

156 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:47:23pm

re: #152 goddamnedfrank

Agreed, so then why do you treat cutting taxes for the top 2% like some kind of religious conviction? Especially considering that the Bush Treasury Department tried to prove that cutting taxes for the rich would increase revenue and create jobs, but couldn’t.

A. I don’t see how raising taxes would fix anything, since i think Congress would just spend any extra revenue anyhow.

b. I don’t think there would even be any extra revenue, since the reduction in growth fostered by higher taxes would offset any gains.

157 compound idaho  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:47:35pm

re: #141 Dark_Falcon

That’s a messed up stat.

I live in a mixed income neighborhood in a small town in ID. I must run into some of the 14% all the time, but I don’t recognize them. They must all drive better cars than I do. I guess if 10% of us are unemployed, its not surprising at all that 14% of us are living in poverty. Sad.

This is where the illegal immigration rubber hits the raod. Labor in many ways is not unlike other commodities - supply and demand.

158 Cato the Elder  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:47:37pm

LOL. I’m sitting outside at a restaurant down the street from my house, and one of the available wifis is listed as “callingallcocksuckers”.

159 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:48:34pm

re: #155 Crimsonfisted

I’m bringing the beer. (I’ll be the one wearing the thong bikini.)

The Troll roast will be served in 5 minutes. Just getting it down from the grill now.

160 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:49:16pm

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

The Troll roast will be served in 5 minutes. Just getting it down from the grill now.

Who got roasted? (just got here)

161 Crimsonfisted  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:51:03pm

re: #159 Dark_Falcon

The Troll roast will be served in 5 minutes. Just getting it down from the grill now.


Thank you sir. (I was using a different method of getting someone spun up. Ya’ like the thong?)

162 Crimsonfisted  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:51:51pm
163 Crimsonfisted  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:52:27pm

re: #160 Cannadian Club Akbar
Whoops! That was for you.
See #66

164 austin_blue  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:52:37pm

re: #156 Dark_Falcon

A. I don’t see how raising taxes would fix anything, since i think Congress would just spend any extra revenue anyhow.

b. I don’t think there would even be any extra revenue, since the reduction in growth fostered by higher taxes would offset any gains.

Well, that’s certainly what happened when Clinton did it. Remember that? How deficits went up and jobs were lost?

Oh, wait…

165 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:52:55pm

re: #160 Cannadian Club Akbar

Who got roasted? (just got here)

Aerial Drone ran into Charles’ own Phalanx CIWS (yes, those are now ground mounted, too). He was the jerk you called a douche this morning.

166 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:53:24pm

re: #163 Crimsonfisted

Whoops! That was for you.
See #66

Thanks. I kinda thought so. Douche_Drone. Heh. Now snap that thong!!
/

167 goddamnedfrank  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:54:36pm

re: #154 Dark_Falcon

Two points:

1. The government did not initially form an army. That took a few years, and that first army, the American Legion (nods to Cato) was used to subdue Indians who were violently opposing settlers moving onto lands that had been ceded by treaty to the US but where their people had lived for centuries. (Sorry for the digression.)

2. It could argued that things are different between the Army and the Post Office, since the latter does not involve the use of force.

The first federally raised army under the laws of US Constitution was formed very soon after ratification, to put down the Whiskey Rebellion. This had nothing to do with Indians.

168 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 3:56:18pm

re: #167 goddamnedfrank

The first federally raised army under the laws of US Constitution was formed very soon after ratification, to put down the Whiskey Rebellion. This had nothing to do with Indians.

I was think of the army commanded by ‘Mad’ Anthony Wayne that was sent after Little Turtle. Slight error.

169 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 4:01:15pm

NatGeo is running a great program on population explosion. Seen it before. Well worth it.

170 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 4:02:54pm

Troll roast is now served! Come and get it!

And now I need to go for a time. BBL

171 Cato the Elder  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 4:03:23pm

re: #169 Cannadian Club Akbar

NatGeo is running a great program on population explosion. Seen it before. Well worth it.

In memory of James Lee and his froggies?

172 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 4:05:47pm

re: #171 Cato the Elder

In memory of James Lee and his froggies?

Sorry. Don’t know what you’re talkin’ ‘bout Willis.

173 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 4:07:12pm

re: #172 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sorry. Don’t know what you’re talkin’ ‘bout Willis.

The politically neutral nut case that shot up the Discovery Channel HQ.

174 Cato the Elder  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 4:07:33pm

re: #172 Cannadian Club Akbar

Sorry. Don’t know what you’re talkin’ ‘bout Willis.

Moonbat Discovery Channel terrorist. Hated babies.

175 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 4:08:10pm

re: #173 Walter L. Newton

re: #174 Cato the Elder

Thanks.

176 Walter L. Newton  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 4:09:53pm

re: #174 Cato the Elder

Moonbat Discovery Channel terrorist. Hated babies.

He wasn’t a moonbat… just crazy.

177 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 4:12:06pm

re: #158 Cato the Elder

LOL. I’m sitting outside at a restaurant down the street from my house, and one of the available wifis is listed as “callingallcocksuckers”.

That’s tame, compared to the walk-in clinic we go if we need to see a doctor on the weekends - the wifi is listed as “motherfuckers”.

I always wonder if the clinic employees realize that’s what pops up on a phone when someone’s trying to use the wifi.

178 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 4:13:50pm

re: #169 Cannadian Club Akbar

NatGeo is running a great program on population explosion. Seen it before. Well worth it.

Don’t have that channel at the hotel…Dang it..Searching for something good to no avail.. Took Winston out for his poopy walk…Dogs suck! You can’t jog with a dog cause they have to smell every single effen blade of grass in front of them…Dogs walk us…not the other way around

179 Cannadian Club Akbar  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 4:16:26pm

re: #178 HoosierHoops

Don’t have that channel at the hotel…Dang it..Searching for something good to no avail.. Took Winston out for his poopy walk…Dogs suck! You can’t jog with a dog cause they have to smell every single effen blade of grass in front of them…Dogs walk us…not the other way around

I don’t jog, I walk, so that’s cool. And only occasionally poop while doing so. But I do bring a baggie. Wait, what?
///

180 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 4:16:35pm

re: #177 reine.de.tout

That’s tame, compared to the walk-in clinic we go if we need to see a doctor on the weekends - the wifi is listed as “motherfuckers”.

I always wonder if the clinic employees realize that’s what pops up on a phone when someone’s trying to use the wifi.

Yikes.

I’m back for a little while.

181 HoosierHoops  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 4:25:31pm

re: #179 Cannadian Club Akbar

I don’t jog, I walk, so that’s cool. And only occasionally poop while doing so. But I do bring a baggie. Wait, what?
///

I see you walk a lot..That’s really cool…Spoiled dog makes me walk a lot also…
Winston also loves to run..he won’t on a lease but if you let him off to play..He is grease lighting..I chase him around and he just loves being untouchable and running past you..And my dog has got some wicked on field zig zag moves…I love chasing him..He’ll look back..slow down..let me catch off then take off like Gale Sayers…LOL

182 Escaped Hillbilly  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 4:26:32pm

re: #177 reine.de.tout

That’s tame, compared to the walk-in clinic we go if we need to see a doctor on the weekends - the wifi is listed as “motherfuckers”.

I always wonder if the clinic employees realize that’s what pops up on a phone when someone’s trying to use the wifi.

It’s an OB/GYN?

183 Dark_Falcon  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 4:27:58pm

And I’m out again. BBL

184 mikhailtheplumber  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 4:31:33pm

re: #174 Cato the Elder

Moonbat Discovery Channel terrorist. Hated babies.

But loved froggies.

185 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 10:42:35pm

re: #92 jaunte

In the real world of maintaining aerial drones, my son-in-law just made tech sergeant.

Congratulations to him!

186 ClaudeMonet  Sat, Sep 18, 2010 10:49:35pm

re: #170 Dark_Falcon

Troll roast is now served! Come and get it!

And now I need to go for a time. BBL

Any leftovers for us later arrivals?


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