Christine O’Donnell Takes Palin’s Advice, Will Shun Media

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Sarah Palin got outraged at the accurate reports that she told anti-wanking GOP candidate Christine O’Donnell to only “speak through Fox News,” but O’Donnell obviously took Palin’s advice to heart: O’Donnell vows no more national media appearances.

In an interview on Fox News’s “Hannity” show, O’Donnell, who canceled spots on CBS’s “Face the Nation” and “Fox News Sunday” last weekend, said that going on national-media outlets would not help her win the election.

That’s right — she’s openly admitting that if she speaks to the national media, it will hurt her chances of getting elected. This is the new default position for GOP candidates.

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194 comments
1 friarstale  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:04:06am

I believe this a the wrong decision for any candidate...

but I would think the website which helped bring down Dan Rather would be a bit sympathetic to her line of reasoning

(and I do believe she is an awful candidate, but on the other hand, Al Franken went from comic to Senator, so I suppose anything is possible)

2 Lidane  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:04:53am

And wingnuts will argue that it's liberals that are the spineless, weak squishes who lack the testicular fortitude to defend their beliefs.

What a joke. The modern GOP are pathetic.

3 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:05:19am

re: #1 friarstale

I believe this a the wrong decision for any candidate...

but I would think the website which helped bring down Dan Rather would be a bit sympathetic to her line of reasoning

Uh, no, I'm not.

4 Killgore Trout  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:07:20am

re: #1 friarstale

I'm not an Al Franken fan but he's a very smart person. O'Donnell is just a loon and not very bright.

5 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:08:26am
said that going on national-media outlets would not help her win the election.

Not only that, it could hurt the chances of fellow Republicans everywhere. Palin's probably not the only one encouraging this strategery.

6 Lidane  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:09:14am

re: #1 friarstale

I would think the website which helped bring down Dan Rather would be a bit sympathetic to her line of reasoning

That's ridiculous. They're not even close to the same thing.

The Dan Rather case, IIRC (since I wasn't here at the time), involved forged documents being used to make a case. With O'Donnell, it's her own verified words being used to expose her as a batshit insane nutjob, since she's on video saying them. You can't compare the two at all.

If she wants to run for office, she should expect to face the media and answer questions. Same goes for Palin or anyone else. Period.

7 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:10:35am

Just because she's not going to talk to the national media doesn't mean that her craziness isn't going to be exposed by the local media. She can't shun all media outlets, especially if she (or any other candidate running for office) wants to get her positions out there in the public eye.

Shunning the media outlets means that she loses a valuable free venue to get her message out.

This strategery ends up costing (literally - because of the need to buy ads) these candidates more than it would potentially help them staying on-message.

However, this isn't a particularly new strategy in politics. Incumbents often attempt to run campaigns where they say little - to avoid potential gaffes and pitfalls. Even candidates running for higher office try to do this - in NY - Cuomo is trying to avoid gaffes by limiting his public statements (avoiding a mess that led to him losing against Spitzer in his last attempt to win the governor's race there). He's now up against Paladino who had a good showing in a single Quinnipiac poll, which has gotten everyone atwitter over Cuomo's slipping chances, even though the demographics aren't in Paladino's favor by any stretch.

Where the strategy is new is that it is being proposed for candidates running for office for the first time - it literally is an attempt to hide the crazy. That's not a good thing - and it isn't a good thing for the electorate in general when candidates hide their true positions and interests.

From a political standpoint, it makes perfect sense - when the interest is to win - facts, logic, and reasoning go by the boards.

8 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:12:39am

re: #6 Lidane

And it wasn't so long ago when the right wing was slamming the media for being too compliant and not questioning a certain candidate for President about his background and affiliations and statements.

Now, we've got those on the right wing ascribing to a notion that they shouldn't take questions or be interviewed by the same media and we should just accept this?

9 Idle Drifter  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:12:49am

So the this is to be a modern form of putting their fingers in the their ears and repeating the mantra: "LA, LA, LA, LA, LA, LA, LA!"

10 Summer Seale  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:19:20am

Hey, Christine!

Youtube Video
11 FriarsTale  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:22:00am

re: #6 Lidane

actually, you're making my point
Dan Rather was the ultimate hatchet job, and that was against a sitting President

she's already a weak candidate, so I understand why she is fearful of going before the national press

she ain't gonna win
she's a poor candidate

I stand by my post, but I expected some criticism for it

12 bubba zanetti  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:22:22am

It's funny, our local teabaggers keep making comments in the local paper about the Tea Party being a "silent majority".

Now I know where the descriptor "silent" is coming from.

13 dragonfire1981  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:25:04am

re: #1 friarstale

Ever heard the expression "if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen"?

Any person or organization that interacts with the public will always be open to scrutiny. If you don't want media attention on you, don't get into politics period.

Both the Dan Rather thing and this Christine O'Donnel stuff have significant national implications as far as truth is concerned. O'donnell refusing to go on national media is a sign she either feels:

a) she won't be treated fairly b) she'll say something that would end up hurting her or making her look stuipd (likely)
c) doesn't really have much of a campaign platform together (no, "Obama is a socialist!" does not count as a platform, sorry GOP) or d) All of the above.

If you make a decision to pursue public life or to become involved in something of significant national importance, you'd be better be prepared to spend some face time in front of the cameras. Hell, politics 101 states that any aspiring politician needs to get comfortable and understand how to deal with the media, a lot of the Tea Party "outsiders" do not understand such fundamentals and it's hurting them, that's why they run to the safe haven of Fox News.

14 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:25:22am

re: #11 FriarsTale

You're not making your point, is the problem.

Dan Rather's 'hatchet job' failed, utterly. It disgraced Rather, led to his resignation, and closed the door, basically, on any further inquiry into Bush's National Guard service.

So, if you're using that as the basis for why to avoid the media, you've got rather the wrong end of the stick; that incident would say you should confront the media, because if they attack you unfairly they'll wind up resigning in disgrace.

15 Lidane  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:26:35am

re: #11 FriarsTale

actually, you're making my point

Uh, no. I'm not.

The Dan Rather case involved fake documents being used to manufacture outrage. Christine O'Donnell's own words and actions have done more to damage her credibility as a candidate than anything else. The outrage doesn't have to be manufactured when the truth is enough on its own.

16 S'latch  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:28:54am

Well, it probably is true--speaking to the national media will hurt her chances of getting elected.

17 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:29:19am

re: #16 Lawrence Schmerel

Well, it probably is true--speaking to the national media will hurt her chances of getting elected.

Her being Christine O'Donnell will probably hurt her chances of getting elected. She should become someone else.

18 brownbagj  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:30:40am

re: #17 Obdicut

re: #17 Obdicut

This is where her experience with witchcraft will finally pay off!

19 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:32:08am

re: #1 friarstale

I believe this a the wrong decision for any candidate...

but I would think the website which helped bring down Dan Rather would be a bit sympathetic to her line of reasoning

(and I do believe she is an awful candidate, but on the other hand, Al Franken went from comic to Senator, so I suppose anything is possible)

Two points here, and I know you're not trying to troll here, so I'm going to do give a serious answer to both. (which as a relative newbie probably is a bit presumptive, but I'm doing it anyway :)

First the idea that LGF took down Rather and therefore should be sympathetic to O'Donnell misses the most important purpose of this blog, it's an Anti-Idiot blog. O'Donnell is an idiot, and I say that without malice towards her, I'm sure she's a nice person if you sat down to have tea with her, and I'm sure I could have a polite conversation with her. But as far as being at all qualified to be a Senator? She has neither the experience nor the knowledge base to make any sort of informed decision on legislation. To make matters worse, she doesn't even realize how much she doesn't know. And then to make matters even worse than that, she doesn't have a cadre of well informed advisers to help her become informed, or even remind her that really, she doesn't know crap. She's not only an idiot, she's down right dangerous.

Which brings us to the second point. Franken. I don't agree with a number of his views and ideas, but when I listen to him talk about things, he brings a cogent and well organized argument to the table and I can recognize and accept that there is a logic there, even if I don't agree with the conclusions. I don't get that sense with O'Donnell, and no matter what you think of Franken's comedic past, he's taken his responsibility as Senator seriously and treated it with gravitas that I wish we could see more often in congress.

20 S'latch  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:32:56am

re: #17 Obdicut

Well, she could, and, the chances are very good that someone else will be elected.

21 Jimmah  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:33:29am

Why is it that time and time again, the GOP's new 'stars' are running away from the media? Just what is the media's problem?

/wingnut mode off

22 avanti  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:36:03am

re: #4 Killgore Trout

I'm not an Al Franken fan but he's a very smart person. O'Donnell is just a loon and not very bright.

Could she do this ?

Youtube Video
23 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:37:30am

re: #11 FriarsTale

actually, you're making my point
Dan Rather was the ultimate hatchet job, and that was against a sitting President

she's already a weak candidate, so I understand why she is fearful of going before the national press

she ain't gonna win
she's a poor candidate

I stand by my post, but I expected some criticism for it

I think you're missing the point though, it's one thing for someone to use forged documents (Rather) to 'hatchet' someone. However, as pointed out above, it's quite another for a candidate to have her publicly aired views being used against him or her.

And really, calling her a 'weak candidate' is like saying the Atlantic ocean is a bit damp. :)

24 Nick Schroeder  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:39:48am

The fact of the matter is this this makes perfect sense, and is her only viable strategy at this point. Modern Republicans, particularly those of the teabagger variety, espouse crazy, idiotic opinions that no sane person would ever get behind. The solution, of course, is to hide your true platform and run as 'not a Democrat' and hope for the best.

25 Gus  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:39:53am

re: #22 avanti

Could she do this ?

[Video]

Should probably start her out with the basics:

Image: melissa-and-doug-classic-wooden-shapes-sound-puzzle.2.jpg

/

26 iossarian  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:42:11am

re: #22 avanti

I like Franken, but is this really real? I have my doubts (light pencil pre-drawn lines maybe?).

27 Jimmah  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:42:20am

re: #25 Gus 802

Should probably start her out with the basics:

Image: melissa-and-doug-classic-wooden-shapes-sound-puzzl e.2.jpg

/

I bet she can do all the shapes/

28 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:43:34am

"That’s right — she’s openly admitting that if she speaks to the national media, it will hurt her chances of getting elected."


Well you know her, she wouldn't lie to an SS officer to save Anne Frank.

29 avanti  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:44:16am

re: #25 Gus 802

Should probably start her out with the basics:

Image: melissa-and-doug-classic-wooden-shapes-sound-puzzl e.2.jpg

/

I have to admit, I've been surprised by Franken's performance so far. He seems to have earned some respect from both sides of the aisle for his work.

30 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:44:44am

re: #1 friarstale

I believe this a the wrong decision for any candidate...

but I would think the website which helped bring down Dan Rather would be a bit sympathetic to her line of reasoning

(and I do believe she is an awful candidate, but on the other hand, Al Franken went from comic to Senator, so I suppose anything is possible)

Al Franken was a political comic who was already deeply involved with politics.

With that in mind, I hear New York has been having a lot corruption problems recently...

With that in mind...

JON STEWART FOR SENATOR!

31 reloadingisnotahobby  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:45:14am

This is news??
I've NEVER spoken to the main stream media!!
/*

32 sagehen  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:45:38am

re: #26 iossarian

I like Franken, but is this really real? I have my doubts (light pencil pre-drawn lines maybe?).

It's real, it's a party trick he does often at fundraisers and blogger conferences and stuff.

33 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:46:08am
34 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:47:19am

re: #11 FriarsTale

actually, you're making my point
Dan Rather was the ultimate hatchet job, and that was against a sitting President

she's already a weak candidate, so I understand why she is fearful of going before the national press

she ain't gonna win
she's a poor candidate

I stand by my post, but I expected some criticism for it

The problem is that Dan Rather was a hatchet job with fake information.

If that information had been accurate like the stuff about Christine O'Donnell Charles would have been behind him 100%... um right?

(Hoping I don't offend anyone by presuming to know the mind of the lizard king...)

35 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:48:20am

I fear the resident class of 2004 is about to become even smaller..

36 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:48:35am

re: #18 brownbagj

re: #17 Obdicut

This is where her experience with witchcraft will finally pay off!

Pollyjuice potion anyone?

37 [deleted]  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:48:45am
38 sagehen  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:48:46am

re: #29 avanti

I have to admit, I've been surprised by Franken's performance so far. He seems to have earned some respect from both sides of the aisle for his work.

Because he's (drumroll) *SUPERWONK*!!

Here he is discussing health care with random tea partiers at the State Fair:

Youtube Video
39 Jack Burton  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:49:01am

re: #33 bohman

Registered since: Jun 15, 2004 at 4:00 pm

That explains that one...

40 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:49:46am

Sorry Charles, I hit quote instead of reply.

41 darthstar  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:50:21am

I'm guessing she'll also shun the local media in Delaware for the same reasons...especially if some anchor decides to ask her a tough question, like how old the earth is.

42 Charles Johnson  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:51:15am

Image: sleeper.jpg

43 Vicious Michigan Union Thug  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:51:40am

re: #32 sagehen

It's real, it's a party trick he does often at fundraisers and blogger conferences and stuff.

That's just the kind of thing an autistic savant would do.

44 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:52:12am

re: #29 avanti

I have to admit, I've been surprised by Franken's performance so far. He seems to have earned some respect from both sides of the aisle for his work.

You mistakenly assume that a little thing like suggesting that companies shouldn't make it so that their employees can't sue if they're raped on the job will be enough to make the Republicans respect him...

I honestly don't think any Republican in the Senate "respects" any Democrat in it at the moment....

45 bohman  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:52:28am

re: #39 ArchangelMichael

? im not an active commenter (obviously). so what does that explain?

my comment was not a flame. i used to come here multiple times a day.

i came here today to see if anything was posted about the recent violence in jerusalem. nothing.

46 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:53:41am

re: #42 Charles

The sleeper awakened, and I don't even get a Kwisatz Haderach for my trouble... sheesh...

47 Gus  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:54:15am

What's interesting is that she's now saying she won't do anymore interviews with the national media. The reality is that she hasn't done any interviews during this election cycle as a Senatorial candidate. Her only national appearance thus far has been through the Values Voter Summit. She canceled all of her appearances last Sunday.

48 Jimmah  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:54:47am

re: #45 bohman

What websites do you normally frequent, and when was the last time they posted anything about the GOP's downward spiral into insanity?

49 Four More Tears  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 9:59:40am

re: #48 Jimmah

What websites do you normally frequent, and when was the last time they posted anything about the GOP's downward spiral into insanity?

Bah! The GOP is on the path to victory!

50 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:00:16am

Given a history of consistent propaganda alleging a strong liberal bias in the national media, much of the GOP base would likely be sympathetic to this kind of behavior. If you are convinced that the media is strongly biased against a candidate, you might not have any problem with said candidate avoiding interviews.

This tactic works with the base, because it is consistent with the "they are all out to get us" message. Of course, it doesn't work with anyone who hasn't already bought into the whole white christian victimhood meme, but then, they aren't going to vote republican anyway.

51 bohman  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:00:41am

i frequent a lot of tech sites, major news outlets (cnn, msnbc, fox, bbc), and my local news sites here in the dc metro area.

its just boring to see the same stuff over and over in such a cynical tone.

as for 2004, it wasnt the elections that made me register, i believe it was the ongoing IAEA fiasco.

52 Gus  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:01:22am

re: #45 bohman

If you were so interested in the recent violence in Jerusalem and after finding that it was not being discussed here you remain here only to complain of its absence instead of finding a forum where you can discuss this then it is plain to me that you are merely trolling.

53 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:01:37am

re: #49 JasonA

Bah! The GOP is on the path to victory!

Evacuate, in our moment of triumph?

54 darthstar  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:01:39am

Jerry's house is for sale. I want. But it's about 3.2 million dollars above my budget.

If I open a paypal account will you all pitch in and help me get it? I'd be most grateful.

55 iossarian  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:01:57am

re: #32 sagehen

It's real, it's a party trick he does often at fundraisers and blogger conferences and stuff.

Cool trick. Maybe I'll give it a go!

I have a party game where I give out continent outlines and people/teams have to fill in the countries.

Africa always gives some fun results.

56 Jimmah  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:02:04am

re: #49 JasonA

Bah! The GOP is on the path to victory!

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH!

57 jaunte  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:02:40am

re: #51 bohman
One of the great aspects of this site is the ability for registered commenters to post stories they think are interesting in the Pages section.

58 darthstar  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:03:16am

re: #49 JasonA

Bah! The GOP is on the path to victory!

Except in Republican heald FL-25, where the Democratic candidate is up by 7 points. Then again, it's Florida, and god only knows what will happen when they open their polls.

59 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:04:02am

I am an unabashed fan of Al Franken. The man knows what the fuck he is talking about. He takes the time to educate himself down to an absurd level of detail, which is what every legislator should be doing.

60 bohman  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:04:03am

re: #57 jaunte

ty

61 Idle Drifter  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:04:04am

This sleeper/sock puppet gag never gets old. I guess it helps their self esteem.

62 bohman  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:04:36am

re: #52 Gus 802

think what you like, but it's not like i was being outrageous.

63 darthstar  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:04:57am

re: #60 bohman

That's a cute dog...is it yours?

64 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:05:30am

re: #58 darthstar

Except in Republican heald FL-25, where the Democratic candidate is up by 7 points. Then again, it's Florida, and god only knows what will happen when they open their polls.

I think the GOP is banking their hopes on an outbreak of alligators that will be so severe that only those with a huge gun and ammo collection will be able to fight their way to the polls and vote.

65 bohman  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:05:44am

re: #61 Idle Drifter

lol, ironic.

charles can run a check if he likes. im no sockpuppet.

66 bohman  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:06:05am

re: #63 darthstar

yes, thank you. she is an american bulldog.

67 Jimmah  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:06:44am

re: #52 Gus 802

If you were so interested in the recent violence in Jerusalem and after finding that it was not being discussed here you remain here only to complain of its absence instead of finding a forum where you can discuss this then it is plain to me that you are merely trolling.

He's trying to imply that LGF has "thrown Israel under the bus". Stalker meme 257.

68 bohman  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:06:54am

sorry to disturb you all. i was sincerely stating my opinion. i didnt mean to flame or troll.

69 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:07:14am

re: #45 bohman

? im not an active commenter (obviously). so what does that explain?

my comment was not a flame. i used to come here multiple times a day.

i came here today to see if anything was posted about the recent violence in jerusalem. nothing.

Post it yourself. LGF has changed a bit recently, in the sense that everyone can make a thread now. It's a pretty neat feature.

70 bohman  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:07:31am

re: #67 Jimmah

why the assumption?

71 Gus  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:07:33am

re: #62 bohman

Then stop complaining and deal with it. You can make your own LGF page about what's going on in Jerusalem.

72 darthstar  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:08:28am

re: #65 bohman

lol, ironic.

charles can run a check if he likes. im no sockpuppet.

Don't worry about it. If you're a nutty troll, we'll figure that out soon enough and you'll be the hit of the barbecue.

If you just decided to return after six years and join the fun and engage in intelligent discussion, the sock-puppet talk will die down soon enough. Most people here are pretty smart, and will eventually take you at face value.

Either way, I like the dog you have in your avatar...looks like a friendly pup.

73 Idle Drifter  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:08:41am

re: #58 darthstar

Except in Republican heald FL-25, where the Democratic candidate is up by 7 points. Then again, it's Florida, and god only knows what will happen when they open their polls.

Florida's election history is nothing if not unpredictable.

74 darthstar  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:09:59am

re: #66 bohman

yes, thank you. she is an american bulldog.

She has Mitch McConnell's underbite, and jowels.

75 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:10:24am

Completely off topic:

Pennsylvania is a fucking cesspool of judicial corruption. I can't talk about it right now in any detail, but it is truly sickening.

76 Idle Drifter  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:10:32am

re: #65 bohman

lol, ironic.

charles can run a check if he likes. im no sockpuppet.

You forget the sleeper/ part. I don't know if that is ironic but it is funny.

77 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:11:14am

re: #45 bohman

? im not an active commenter (obviously). so what does that explain?

my comment was not a flame. i used to come here multiple times a day.

i came here today to see if anything was posted about the recent violence in jerusalem. nothing.

At the risk of going off topic, The violence has settled down and I do find the trigger (excuse?) for the Palestinian rioting to being interesting:

The guard shot the 32-year-old man in a pre-dawn incident, a police spokesman said, saying that the guard told police investigators he had opened fire after his car was blocked and stoned by dozens of Palestinians.

The security guard told police that he was driving through the town alone and stopped at a gas station, despite the guidelines which forbade him from stopping in the local stations. The guard added that he feared that he would be abducted after several Palestinians blocked his car.

Silwan, located immediately below the southern section of the walls of the Old City of Jerusalem, is a focus of tension between around 300 Israeli settlers, who moved into the neighborhood, and approximately 55,000 Palestinian residents.

Bolding is mine. So you have an Israeli settlement where the Israeli's have moved in and are out numbered over 100 to 1, and a security guard decides to ignore guidelines, feels threatened (which I can't blame him on that) and kills someone. Mind you, throwing stones at someone with a gun is a bad idea no matter how you cut it. That's just asking to get shot.

At the same time, if you're going to start moving people into territory that is already occupied by someone else, and the belief is (justified or not) that the movement into the territory is a precursor to having the territory annexed, there's going to be some... tension.

78 Jimmah  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:11:15am

re: #70 bohman

why the assumption?

I'm actually surprised you know anything about the whole LGF/stalker thing, given that this is the first time you've looked in for such a long time.

Funny, that.

79 bohman  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:12:10am

re: #74 darthstar

lol

80 BishopX  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:12:22am

re: #73 Idle Drifter

What with all the old people voting...

It's a zombie walk problem.

81 Jimmah  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:13:43am

re: #71 Gus 802

Then stop complaining and deal with it. You can make your own LGF page about what's going on in Jerusalem.

Yep - the new pages feature is kinda hard to miss, unless of course you want to.

82 sagehen  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:14:09am

re: #63 darthstar

That's a cute dog...is it yours?

The new OK Go video has a bunch of very cute, very well-trained dogs.

Youtube Video
83 bohman  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:14:52am

re: #78 Jimmah

im not here to fight (even though my original comment was taken that way).

i have been checking on LGF consistently for a long time, but found no need to comment.

84 Gus  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:14:52am

re: #81 Jimmah

Yep - the new pages feature is kinda hard to miss, unless of course you want to.

Right. There's that and then there's going OT after #100.

85 bohman  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:15:02am

re: #82 sagehen

LOVE that video

86 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:15:48am

re: #75 Fozzie Bear

Pennsylvania is a fucking cesspool of judicial corruption. I can't talk about it right now in any detail, but it is truly sickening.

Is that where you had the judge who deliberately sent juvenilles to a private detention facility (without *any* cause or justification) because he was getting kickbacks from the owners?

87 BishopX  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:16:53am

re: #86 publicityStunted

Two of them.

88 Idle Drifter  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:16:56am

re: #80 BishopX

What with all the old people voting...

It's a zombie walk problem.

We can discuss how entire towns rise from the dead during the election season. For some reason shooting zombie voters in the head is frowned upon by the ACLU.

89 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:17:01am

re: #59 Fozzie Bear

And I have a personal dislike of Franken for being an inconsiderate boob to my wife. If he's taken the time to educate himself about the policies on which he acts, good for him. His personality leaves much to be desired as far as I am concerned.

90 bohman  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:17:24am

re: #81 Jimmah

lgf has gone through several face-lifts and upgrades; i have not been able to find it

91 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:17:47am

How I enjoy our toy democracy.

92 darthstar  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:17:57am

re: #84 Gus 802

Right. There's that and then there's going OT after #100.

I went OT on #54... Not to defend bohman, but I don't know the guy/gal, except that he/she seems to be somewhat Israeli focused (the same could be said for a number of people)... Still, I'm willing to give it a few days before casting judgment. And that bulldog is cute.

93 darthstar  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:18:29am

re: #91 Cato the Elder

How I enjoy our sex toy democracy.


ftfy

94 BishopX  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:18:45am

re: #90 bohman

Top of the main page. Where it says 'LGF pages'.

95 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:18:56am

re: #89 lawhawk

lawhawk, your site still has the malware. (got the warning) :(

96 deranged cat  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:19:00am

by the way, here is a link to the actual comment of "all faggots must die" on the blog Joe My God. [Link: j.mp...]
Seems like the commenters quickly found the source.. go them!

97 darthstar  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:19:06am

re: #90 bohman

lgf has gone through several face-lifts and upgrades; i have not been able to find it

Top of the page. reads "LGF Pages"

98 3kids3dogs  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:19:48am

re: #86 publicityStunted

Is that where you had the judge who deliberately sent juvenilles to a private detention facility (without *any* cause or justification) because he was getting kickbacks from the owners?

As a resident of NE PA I can confirm that is true.

99 deranged cat  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:19:49am

re: #95 Stanley Sea

lawhawk, your site still has the malware. (got the warning) :(

Lawhawk, i got the same. im on chrome though, and chrome false-positives occasionally. it usually has to do with a questionable ad..

100 Jadespring  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:20:15am

re: #86 publicityStunted

Is that where you had the judge who deliberately sent juvenilles to a private detention facility (without *any* cause or justification) because he was getting kickbacks from the owners?

That happened for real?

I know there was a Law and Order episode (I think) that had that exact plot line.

101 Liberal Classic  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:20:26am
That’s right — she’s openly admitting that if she speaks to the national media, it will hurt her chances of getting elected. This is the new default position for GOP candidates.

This is a misdiagnosis of the problem. It isn't that the national media will hurt her chances for election, it's what she's speaking.

102 Idle Drifter  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:20:38am

re: #93 darthstar

Oh so that's what that giant drill, uh, thing was.... 0_0

103 rwmofo  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:21:09am

I don't blame her. The MSM long ago took off their collective masks and have no qualms showing their open hatred for half the country. ABC/NBC/CBS/MSNBC/NY Times/Washington Post, etc have been propaganda arms for the democrat party since the 70s. They can't honestly report the news as long as their agendas are front and center.

104 Jimmah  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:21:20am

re: #83 bohman

im not here to fight (even though my original comment was taken that way).

i have been checking on LGF consistently for a long time, but found no need to comment.

So why would you be asking about the content of Charles posts then? You posted as though surprised and taken aback at all the posts about the madness of the GOP. Yet now in order to cover for your knowledge of the stalker issue, you claim to have been reading here regularly for a long time.

You aren't making any sense.

105 bohman  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:21:38am

re: #94 BishopX

lol, ty.

106 deranged cat  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:22:06am

re: #96 deranged cat

by the way, here is a link to the actual comment of "all faggots must die" on the blog Joe My God. [Link: j.mp...]
Seems like the commenters quickly found the source.. go them!

i want to add: the comment that seemed to come from Sen. Saxby Chambliss' Office.

107 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:22:21am

re: #103 rwmofo

I hate the whole fucking country, personally.

108 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:22:40am

None other than Karl Rove raised questions about her checkered past and her ultimate electability.

He later said he was doing it entirely in his "fair abnd balanced" capacity as a Fox news commentator, and then went on to admit that this position clashes with his position in the GOP, which involves supporting any and all nominated candidates.

Of course it was Karl Rove behind Rathergate, I see it as his ultimate evil genius masterpiece of Machivellianism.

I assume he knew those documents were out there and that the fellow interviewed had ssen them, he circulated the fake copies to have them virst "verified" and then taken down. At which point the discussion tailspinned off over the provenance of the documents and the scandal around Bush was successfully defused.

(I joined LGF long after this topic had run its course, I am just getting in my belated two cents)

109 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:23:02am

re: #95 Stanley Sea

It's a problem with the rpc.blogrolling.com site - not mine - and even google admits that there isn't any problem detected within the past 90 days with that site.

I just saw that blogrolling might end up closing their site, which means I'll probably dump the blogrolling information soon enough.

110 harlequinade  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:23:32am

re: #103 rwmofo

Yes. That will be it.
That... exactly. In fact - I should quote the truth in that.

111 deranged cat  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:23:39am

re: #103 rwmofo

lol while youre at it, remind me of that good old adage about how Fox news is balanced... something along the lines of "they interview democrats too!"

112 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:24:07am

re: #100 Jadespring

Quite real. Happened in PA.

113 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:24:21am

re: #87 BishopX

Two of them.

F***, where's Nathan Ford when you need him?

114 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:25:35am

re: #89 lawhawk

And I have a personal dislike of Franken for being an inconsiderate boob to my wife. If he's taken the time to educate himself about the policies on which he acts, good for him. His personality leaves much to be desired as far as I am concerned.

A guy having a flash of insight or whatever and failing to continue walking is a pretty paltry reason to hold a grudge if you ask me....

115 3kids3dogs  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:25:55am

re: #100 Jadespring

That happened for real?

I know there was a Law and Order episode (I think) that had that exact plot line.

Here's a link to a local story about it.

[Link: www.poconorecord.com...]

116 Jimmah  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:26:05am

re: #90 bohman

lgf has gone through several face-lifts and upgrades; i have not been able to find it

There is a link to the feature, together with a large panel advertising it at the top of every page.

Very hard to find...sure.

117 bohman  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:26:23am

re: #104 Jimmah

im not covering anything up. again with the plant/stalker stuff!

i came to LGF to see if there were any interesting links to the story. there were none, so i was disappointed. but the front page was littered with things that i considered redundant. im no tea party supporter, but there are a lot of posts on that one subject.

118 Obdicut  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:27:04am

re: #117 bohman

I get that you feel that way. I really do.

But why post a comment about it?

This isn't your blog.

Do you get that?

119 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:27:15am

re: #103 rwmofo

I don't blame her. The MSM long ago took off their collective masks and have no qualms showing their open hatred for half the country. ABC/NBC/CBS/MSNBC/NY Times/Washington Post, etc have been propaganda arms for the democrat party since the 70s. They can't honestly report the news as long as their agendas are front and center.

They may be the Propaganda arm, but guess what Fox is now the POLICY ARM of the GOP.

Tell me I'm wrong....

120 jaunte  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:27:54am

re: #117 bohman

There are some real live extremists and ignoramuses here, where we are being asked to vote for them. It's a pretty important issue.

121 Jadespring  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:28:05am

Big news!!!

Tinkerbell got a star on the walk of fame!

Take that Winnie and Mickey!

122 bohman  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:28:29am

re: #116 Jimmah

so you are on some witch hunt it seems. the button for LGF pages would seem like a heading or title to a casual observer (of which i am).

its not like it says "Post your own story here!"

im sorry you think im some plant. im not.

123 Sol Berdinowitz  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:28:47am

O'Donnell is taking aleaf from the Palin Playbook and playing the victim of a smear campaign when all the media are doing is reporting the things she has already put out.

Ideally, Palin and the Tea Party candidates are just supposed to be surfaces onto which voters can project their notions of what a conservative candidate should be.

Problem is, they keep talking and saying things that embarass them, and often do so in an embarassing manner. The Press really has to bend over backwards not to put it in an embarassing light, which none of the major media outlets outside Fox News is not about to do for their benefit.

124 Jimmah  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:29:04am

re: #96 deranged cat

by the way, here is a link to the actual comment of "all faggots must die" on the blog Joe My God. [Link: j.mp...]
Seems like the commenters quickly found the source.. go them!

GOP senator's office. Awesome.

125 rwmofo  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:29:13am

I wonder if Representative Jesse Jackson Jr will make any national TV appearances any time soon.

Ruh-Roh Scooby Doo.

Heh.

126 Jadespring  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:29:21am

re: #112 lawhawk

re: #115 3kids3dogs

Thanks.

I know the show does base some of their plots on real events. I wonder if this is what it was based on.

127 sagehen  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:29:21am

re: #100 Jadespring

That happened for real?

I know there was a Law and Order episode (I think) that had that exact plot line.

Leverage did it too.

128 Lidane  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:29:49am

re: #59 Fozzie Bear

He takes the time to educate himself down to an absurd level of detail

Lord, does he ever. The guy's a policy wonk down to his bones, and even that's not deep enough. Yeah, he was a comedian, but he's also a very serious guy under all that and really takes the time to learn an issue inside and out. Agree or disagree with him, at least he reads the shit he votes on, which is more than can be said for most legislators.

Franken's attention to detail and to the minutiae of a bill or an issue is what made his radio talk show so dull at times that you could feel your eyes glazing over and your brain begging for someone to start screaming "Baba Booey! Baba Booey!" just to liven things up, but at least you knew he was informed.

129 bohman  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:29:56am

anyways... im sorry to ruffle your feathers. i would rather not have to defend myself for having an opinion.

and yes, charles can post whatever he likes. and he does. thats cool.

130 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:30:15am

re: #50 Fozzie Bear

Given a history of consistent propaganda alleging a strong liberal bias in the national media, much of the GOP base would likely be sympathetic to this kind of behavior. If you are convinced that the media is strongly biased against a candidate, you might not have any problem with said candidate avoiding interviews.

This tactic works with the base, because it is consistent with the "they are all out to get us" message. Of course, it doesn't work with anyone who hasn't already bought into the whole white christian victimhood meme, but then, they aren't going to vote republican anyway.

Exhibit A:

re: #103 rwmofo

I don't blame her. The MSM long ago took off their collective masks and have no qualms showing their open hatred for half the country. ABC/NBC/CBS/MSNBC/NY Times/Washington Post, etc have been propaganda arms for the democrat party since the 70s. They can't honestly report the news as long as their agendas are front and center.

131 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:30:58am

re: #124 Jimmah

GOP senator's office. Awesome.

Wow now I need to take a quick walk down memory lane and see what else Mr. Saxby Chambliss is famous for....

132 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:31:46am

re: #109 lawhawk

I've removed the blogrolling code - so that should fix the problem with the malware warnings you might get - thanks to obdicut and others who pointed this out.

133 CarleeCork  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:32:48am

re: #128 Lidane
Franken graduated from Harvard, he is a very intelligent man.

134 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:33:05am

re: #86 publicityStunted

Is that where you had the judge who deliberately sent juvenilles to a private detention facility (without *any* cause or justification) because he was getting kickbacks from the owners?

That did indeed happen here, but our office has come across another similarly disturbing case. I can't talk much about it, but it's also in central PA, and it's also a case involving judges basically selling verdicts. The judiciary of central PA is, in my opinion, compromised beyond repair. It is totally corrupt.

135 Jimmah  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:33:10am

re: #122 bohman

You have nothing to talk about except:

a) that this site isn't to your liking, and

b) how unfairly you are being treated.

No, I don't think you're a 'plant'. You're just another troll.

136 Liberal Classic  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:33:25am

Well, we all must die. But somehow I don't think that's what he meant.

137 bohman  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:34:16am

re: #135 Jimmah

have a nice day jimmah.

138 BishopX  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:34:36am

re: #131 jamesfirecat

He ran against Max Cleland for senate in 2002 with TV adds comparing cleland (a triple amputee vietman vet) to Osama bin Ladin. Classy guy.

139 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:34:44am

re: #133 CarleeCork

Franken graduated from Harvard, he is a very intelligent man.

Lets be fair here people... Bush Graduated from Yale, and Bill Gates never graduated from college.

So intelligence is not always measure by what school you go to....

140 jamesfirecat  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:35:56am

re: #138 BishopX

He ran against Max Cleland for senate in 2002 with TV adds comparing cleland (a triple amputee vietman vet) to Osama bin Ladin. Classy guy.

Wow... I think the only way to go beyond that is either what he just may have done online, or tying women to train tracks....

141 Stanghazi  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:36:00am

re: #132 lawhawk

I've removed the blogrolling code - so that should fix the problem with the malware warnings you might get - thanks to obdicut and others who pointed this out.

All good now.

142 sagehen  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:37:14am

re: #138 BishopX

He ran against Max Cleland for senate in 2002 with TV adds comparing cleland (a triple amputee vietman vet) to Osama bin Ladin. Classy guy.

Then Ann Coulter made it part of her routine that Cleland deserved to have lost those limbs, that it was his own damn fault for getting in the way of the grenade...

143 CarleeCork  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:37:46am

re: #139 jamesfirecat
Did Franken come from a wealthy family? I believe he had to earn the right to go to Harvard. George Bush was admitted because of who he was.

144 Gus  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:37:47am

re: #103 rwmofo

I don't blame her. The MSM long ago took off their collective masks and have no qualms showing their open hatred for half the country. ABC/NBC/CBS/MSNBC/NY Times/Washington Post, etc have been propaganda arms for the democrat party since the 70s. They can't honestly report the news as long as their agendas are front and center.

You're not playing close enough attention. The MSM has gone to bat for many Republican administrations in the past. Most notoriously for the Reagan administration where the White House Press Corps literally worked for them on bended knee. Chris Matthews was a strong supporter of military action and the Bush administration after 9/11 and in many ways felt a tingle up his leg much like he later did with Obama.

While they won't compare with Fox News you will find conservative view points in many of the outlets you list. Back in the old days the Washington Post was considered "right wing" by many on the left and today we find:

The Post's editorial positions on foreign policy and economic issues have seen a definitively conservative bent: it has steadfastly supported the 2003 invasion of Iraq, warmed to President George W. Bush's proposal to partially privatize Social Security, opposed a deadline for U.S. withdrawal from the Iraq War, and advocated free trade agreements, including CAFTA.

CBS has been increasingly and openly critical of the Obama administration in recent months. Jake Tapper of ABC is a free agent and generally finds a large conservative audience. CNN has been treating the Tea Party with kid gloves after a "rought start" early on. They even go as far as having Pam Geller as a frequent guest.

I can keep typing.

145 friarstale  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:40:27am

re: #6 Lidane


With O'Donnell, it's her own verified words being used to expose her as a batshit insane nutjob, since she's on video saying them. You can't compare the two at all.
blockquote>

MTV and Politically Incorrect with Bill Maher for O'Donnell, Saturday Night Live for Franken.
I think they'd make a wonderful pair in the Senate., very entertaining.
Politi-Tainment

In all seriousness, I am agreeing that she's a poor candidate and it's obvious she is afraid of national media attention, and she has very likely ruined the GOPs chance of getting the Delaware Senate seat.

Her dream is ending.
Not appearing on those shows is like hitting the snooze button and putting the pillow over her head.
The same dream won't come back just by closing her eyes, but that's what she's trying.

146 Jimmah  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:40:38am

re: #131 jamesfirecat

Wow now I need to take a quick walk down memory lane and see what else Mr. Saxby Chambliss is famous for...

Seems that Chambliss' office is one of two possible GOP sources for the comment:


Georgia Sen. Saxby Chambliss is investigating claims that a gay slur posted to a blog Tuesday may have come from a worker inside his office.

The slur was posted Tuesday afternoon to an online article on Joe.My.God about the Senate's failure to advance a bill repealing the "don't ask, don't tell" law, which prevents gays from serving openly in the military.

The comment, "All faggots must die," was posted by a user going by the name of "Jimmy."

The attack would have disappeared into the wasteland of inappropriate online comments, except blog author Joe Jervis looked up the sender's IP address and posted it, apparently on a whim.

"I very uncharacteristically checked its IP, which I normally don't do," he said. "I have a lot of IT geeks among my readers and they geo-located it immediately. ... It was definitely coming through an official federal U.S. Senate server."

Jervis said his readers traced the address to the local office of either Chambliss or Sen. Johnny Isakson, both Georgia Republicans. The offices are located next to one another.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

147 Stormageddon, Dark Lord of All  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:41:17am

re: #103 rwmofo

I don't blame her. The MSM long ago took off their collective masks and have no qualms showing their open hatred for half the country. ABC/NBC/CBS/MSNBC/NY Times/Washington Post, etc have been propaganda arms for the democrat party since the 70s. They can't honestly report the news as long as their agendas are front and center.

Really? do you honestly really believe what you just typed? I'm curious, what are the agendas for the vast left wing conspiracy? you've got the vague, broad brushed statements down, but let's see some specifics.

is it to get America controlled by the Unions? if so, they're doing a poor job of it considering the declining membership of Unions since the 70's.

To turn America into a socialist bastion? Considering that the most we're going to see in taxes is an expiration of the tax cuts and a return to that socialist Reagan era level of 39 percent, not so much.

Those are just two specific counter examples of how, if there is such a vast left wing media, they're probably the most ineffective propaganda arm I've ever seen.

So you've thrown the accusation out there, back it up.

148 Idle Drifter  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:42:22am

re: #142 sagehen

Then Ann Coulter made it part of her routine that Cleland deserved to have lost those limbs, that it was his own damn fault for getting in the way of the grenade...

Ann Coulter deserves a proper slap for that.

Youtube Video
149 CarleeCork  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:42:37am

re: #146 Jimmah
According to the blog where the comment was left, it has been confirmed that it came from Chambliss' office.
[Link: joemygod.blogspot.com...]

150 Lidane  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:43:07am

re: #145 friarstale

she has very likely ruined the GOPs chance of getting the Delaware Senate seat

That's an entirely self-inflicted wound. She ran as the Tea Party darling, and the teabaggers are out there demanding her kind of crazy as a more "pure" conservatism. Mike Castle was considered too liberal and a RINO, so they voted him out.

O'Donnell didn't ruin the GOP's chances of getting that Senate seat. They did it to themselves by selecting an obviously crazy, blatantly awful candidate for office because she checked off the right answers on the ideological litmus test.

151 deranged cat  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:44:25am

re: #146 Jimmah

Seems that Chambliss' office is one of two possible GOP sources for the comment:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

the stupidity of Fox News Commenters:

judithgrant:
I just watched the Breitbart video where he confronts protesters at a Glen Beck meeting. A woman in the crowd says she believes Breitbart to be homosexual. Now it's all over the news and is 'hate speech' when a GOP person does it but swept under the rug when done by the left.

randalllomax:
Wake up America. Quit calling QUEERS and LESIBANS .....GAYS... Gay means HAPPY and QUEERS cant be happy. Also the QUEERS should stop using GOD'S beautiful colors of the rainbow as their sick symbol. We as a nation will fall if we condone QUEERS just as every other nation in this world has fallen !!!!! I pray for all the QUEERS and the people that back them. May GOD forgive us as a nation who are acting as FOOLS to uphold these SICK QUEERS !!!!!!!!

152 darthstar  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:44:29am

New Poll. 1 in 5 Americans think President Obama is a cactus.

When asked why they agreed with the statement "President Obama is a large succulent plant composed of specialized cells designed for water retention in arid climates," many responded that they "just know," claiming the president only acts like a human being for political purposes and is truly a cactus at heart.

153 Interesting Times  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:44:34am

re: #103 rwmofo

The MSM Fox News long ago took off their collective masks and have no qualms showing their open hatred for half the country blacks, Hispanics, gays, Muslims, atheists, feminists, scientists, city dwellers, liberals, immigrants, poor people, the unemployed, people who believe evolution and climate change are real, etc. ABC/NBC/CBS/MSNBC/NY Times/Washington Post, Fox, Beck, Limbaugh etc have been propaganda arms for the democrat Republican party since the 70s 90s. They can't honestly report the news as long as their agendas are front and center and they donate to the Republican party directly and accept funds from Saudi princes.

Fixed.

154 Feline Fearless Leader  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:44:41am

re: #119 jamesfirecat

They may be the Propaganda arm, but guess what Fox is now the POLICY ARM of the GOP.

Tell me I'm wrong...

You still have it backwards. The GOP is the policy arm of FOX.

155 Idle Drifter  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:45:59am

re: #150 Lidane

That's an entirely self-inflicted wound. She ran as the Tea Party darling, and the teabaggers are out there demanding her kind of crazy as a more "pure" conservatism. Mike Castle was considered too liberal and a RINO, so they voted him out.

O'Donnell didn't ruin the GOP's chances of getting that Senate seat. They did it to themselves by selecting an obviously crazy, blatantly awful candidate for office because she checked off the right answers on the ideological litmus test.

A good chance most of those votes were cast under the assumption that O'Donnell was the "Greater Good."

156 darthstar  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:46:19am

re: #152 darthstar

New Poll. 1 in 5 Americans think President Obama is a cactus.

The McConell quote is priceless:

"If the president says he is a human being, I'll take him at his word," Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said Sunday on Meet the Press. "Though I've never heard him complain about being thirsty. Not once. That could be a coincidence, I suppose, but it's really not my place to say."
157 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:48:28am

re: #150 Lidane

That's an entirely self-inflicted wound. She ran as the Tea Party darling, and the teabaggers are out there demanding her kind of crazy as a more "pure" conservatism. Mike Castle was considered too liberal and a RINO, so they voted him out.

O'Donnell didn't ruin the GOP's chances of getting that Senate seat. They did it to themselves by selecting an obviously crazy, blatantly awful candidate for office because she checked off the right answers on the ideological litmus test.

The nuts are in control of the asylum now. That's what the "Tea Party" is. It's not a new movement, it's the GOP base taking control of what used to be a carefully controlled, top-down institution. The base has bought all the bullshit that has been fed to them for years by the party leadership, and now they actually want all the crazy unfulfillable mutually-exclusive promises fulfilled, like a balanced budget, increased military spending, and lower taxes. You can't have all those things, because it doesn't make sense, but they'll push for it anyway.

You can't manipulate a large group of people with propaganda for decades and expect them not to act on it, no matter how absurd it is.

158 Jimmah  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:48:53am

re: #149 CarleeCork

According to the blog where the comment was left, it has been confirmed that it came from Chambliss' office.
[Link: joemygod.blogspot.com...]

Ahh. Cheers for the update.

159 darthstar  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:50:00am

re: #155 Idle Drifter

A good chance most of those votes were cast under the assumption that O'Donnell was the "Greater Good."

The reason she won was because voter turnout was shitty. If another 10,000 Republicans had bothered to show up, Castle probably would have won, but a lot of people probably just assumed he'd win the primary and didn't bother going to the polls.

160 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:50:16am

re: #129 bohman

i would rather not have to defend myself for having an opinion.

What if your opinion sucks, and other people have an opinion on that? If you don't want to deal with feedback, maybe you aren't ready for prime time.

161 Cato the Elder  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:50:20am

"Voting." Stupid fucking charade.

Youtube Video
162 Gus  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:51:08am

And what's on the front page of ABC News?

OBAMA'S WARS: Deeply Divided White House Portrayed in Explosive Book

Which is the same story that Drudge has been pimping all morning. He now links to another story with a title of:

ALL THE PRESIDENT'S HEN

Which links to a story in the Washington "Ooga Booga" Post titled:

Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan war

There you have it. ABC News and the Washington Post on the same page as Drudge Report.

163 Jimmah  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:52:59am

re: #151 deranged cat

the stupidity of Fox News Commenters:

Gaah. "The gheys are damaging the soil".

164 engineer cat  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:54:39am

this year the GOP is trying to see how stupid and crazy their statements can be before the teabigots will stop swallowing them whole

haven't found bottom yet

"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public."
H. L. Mencken

165 Bubblehead II  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:56:16am

re: #163 Jimmah

Then this will certainly cause their widdle heads to explode.

Court affirms overturning Fla. gay adoption ban

MIAMI — Florida's strict ban on adoption by gay people is unconstitutional because no other group, even people with criminal backgrounds, are singled out for a flat prohibition by state law, an appeals court ruled Wednesday.

166 Idle Drifter  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:56:46am

re: #159 darthstar

The reason she won was because voter turnout was shitty. If another 10,000 Republicans had bothered to show up, Castle probably would have won, but a lot of people probably just assumed he'd win the primary and didn't bother going to the polls.

Primaries are a b!%@#. BBL taking Grandma to her appointment.

167 John Q  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:57:41am
".. she’s openly admitting that if she speaks to the national media, it will hurt her chances of getting elected."

Well, let's be fair: she is running in a Delaware election, not a national one, so it would be reasonable to stick to Delaware news orgs. (Or is she ducking from them as well?)

About Dan Rather: the Bush story didn't "depend on" an (apparently) forged document - it was something that came in late, and as it fit with everything else in CBS's investigation, they weren't as careful in vetting it as they should have been. As for the content - the secretary to the purported author (deceased) said no, she hadn't typed it, but it did reflect his view of GW.

If CBS had any guts, they would have said something like "Look, questions have been raised about the authenticity of the letter we included, so in the interest of fairness, we are running the same story next week with any reference to the dubious letter removed." And gone ahead and aired the corrected story.

(I thought that ABC could have done the same thing years before, when they ran a story on the tobacco industry. There were a couple of minor errors in the story, which the tobacco PR people seized on, and ABC had to admit were errors. Big tobacco took the admission to discredit the whole story. I thought ABC should have said, "Yes, we made some errors, so in the interest of fairness, we are running the same story next week, with the errors corrected, as the tobacco industry acknowledges the rest of the report is accurate." Of course, they didn't do any such thing. No guts. )

168 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 10:58:33am

re: #162 Gus 802

OBAMA'S WARS: Deeply Divided White House Portrayed in Explosive Book
ALL THE PRESIDENT'S HEN
Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan war

What we have is all the media falling over themselves to pimp Bob Woodward's latest book, which claims to detail the inner workings of the Obama White House.

It's a race to see which media outlet can pull the most salacious, rude, crude, or misleading headline, depending on the audience to which they are seeking.

169 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 11:00:18am

re: #166 Idle Drifter

Primaries are a b!%@#. BBL taking Grandma to her appointment.

Primaries are the thing that will ultimately destroy the GOP. With each nutjob nominated, the GOP loses more moderates. With every moderate they lose, the larger the proportional representation of nutjobs within the GOP base, which, in turn, guarantees that more nutjobs will be nominated. The cycle repeats ad infinitum.

This is why you shouldn't deliberately try to appeal to bigots and morons, as the GOP has been doing for decades. The danger is that it might actually work a little too well.

170 Gus  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 11:03:07am

re: #168 lawhawk

What we have is all the media falling over themselves to pimp Bob Woodward's latest book, which claims to detail the inner workings of the Obama White House.

It's a race to see which media outlet can pull the most salacious, rude, crude, or misleading headline, depending on the audience to which they are seeking.

Sure. But it is counter intuitive to the conspiracy or notion that ABC News or the Washington Post is an instrument of the Democratic Party and the White House.

171 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 11:05:25am

re: #9 Idle Drifter

So the this is to be a modern form of putting their fingers in the their ears and repeating the mantra: "LA, LA, LA, LA, LA, LA, LA!"

Or, Putting their fingers in your ears and repeating, "NA, NA, NA, NA, NA!"

172 Jimmah  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 11:06:55am

re: #165 Bubblehead II

Then this will certainly cause their widdle heads to explode.

Court affirms overturning Fla. gay adoption ban

MIAMI — Florida's strict ban on adoption by gay people is unconstitutional because no other group, even people with criminal backgrounds, are singled out for a flat prohibition by state law, an appeals court ruled Wednesday.

Great news. I think it's clear that despite the 'best' efforts of the 'new right', America isn't turning back. I think there will be much sadness and chewing of cheeks ahead for socially regressive wingnuts.

173 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 11:07:54am

re: #171 DaddyG

Or, Putting their fingers in your ears and repeating, "NA, NA, NA, NA, NA!"

Like this?

Youtube Video
174 DaddyG  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 11:08:39am

re: #146 Jimmah

Seems that Chambliss' office is one of two possible GOP sources for the comment:


[Link: www.foxnews.com...]


Chambliss repudiated the comment on the local news in Atlanta and is invetigating the incident. I wouldn't pin this on him any more than Obama is to blame for a staffer flying the Che flag in a campaign office.

The comment is awful and the staffer needs to be let go if it can be pinned to a specific person.

175 Fozzie Bear  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 11:08:49am

re: #172 Jimmah

Great news. I think it's clear that despite the 'best' efforts of the 'new right', America isn't turning back. I think there will be much sadness and chewing of cheeks ahead for socially regressive wingnuts.

Ahh but they have their old fallback, violence. You know, "second amendment remedies" and all that.

176 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 11:09:05am

re: #167 John Q

About Dan Rather: the Bush story didn't "depend on" an (apparently) forged document - it was something that came in late, and as it fit with everything else in CBS's investigation, they weren't as careful in vetting it as they should have been. As for the content - the secretary to the purported author (deceased) said no, she hadn't typed it, but it did reflect his view of GW.

Have you seen the Throbbing Memo? Are you just being extra cautious?

177 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 11:15:03am

re: #165 Bubblehead II

awesome!

178 Lidane  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 11:15:18am

re: #165 Bubblehead II

Then this will certainly cause their widdle heads to explode.

Court affirms overturning Fla. gay adoption ban

MIAMI — Florida's strict ban on adoption by gay people is unconstitutional because no other group, even people with criminal backgrounds, are singled out for a flat prohibition by state law, an appeals court ruled Wednesday.

Awesome news. I hope it sticks.

179 goddamnedfrank  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 11:15:55am

re: #174 DaddyG

Chambliss repudiated the comment on the local news in Atlanta and is invetigating the incident. I wouldn't pin this on him any more than Obama is to blame for a staffer flying the Che flag in a campaign office.

The comment is awful and the staffer needs to be let go if it can be pinned to a specific person.

Sorry, but the magical balance fairy is gay, apparently must die. Also, Obama didn't spend any time singing Che's praises, while Chambliss spent the day bashing gay soldiers from the floor of the Senate.

180 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 11:17:10am

re: #138 BishopX

He ran against Max Cleland for senate in 2002 with TV adds comparing cleland (a triple amputee vietman vet) to Osama bin Ladin. Classy guy.

We support the troops!

Oh wait, you're a Democrat?

UNAMERICAN COMMIE!

181 BishopX  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 11:20:37am

re: #180 WindUpBird

For added fun realize that Chambliss is on the armed services committee...and the personnel subcommittee.

182 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 11:22:38am

re: #74 darthstar

She has Mitch McConnell's underbite, and jowels.

McConnell is less intelligent.

Seriously, bohman, nice dog!

183 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 11:31:44am

re: #89 lawhawk

And I have a personal dislike of Franken for being an inconsiderate boob to my wife. If he's taken the time to educate himself about the policies on which he acts, good for him. His personality leaves much to be desired as far as I am concerned.

He's intelligent when it comes to policy. That doesn't mean he's schooled in the social graces.

I'm sorry your wife had a bad encounter with him, but that doesn't mean he's worthless as a senator. I don't much like him myself (not that it matters, since I don't live in Minnesota), but he has surprised me with his job performance thus far. I may disagree with his positions, but it's obvious that he thinks his positions out, and that's not something you can say for very many legislators.

184 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 11:40:03am

re: #103 rwmofo

I don't blame her. The MSM long ago took off their collective masks and have no qualms showing their open hatred for half the country. ABC/NBC/CBS/MSNBC/NY Times/Washington Post, etc have been propaganda arms for the democrat party since the 70s. They can't honestly report the news as long as their agendas are front and center.

You don't run away in a case like this. You face them, show no fear, and win (or break even) on their turf. If you avoid them or run away, they smell fear, and in cases like this, fear = ratings = profits.

In any event--Much of the electorate understands the bias inherent in almost any media outlet, and the wiser ones discount accordingly. If I read a NYT or WaPo article, I know their bias and adjust for it.

In Ms. O'Donnell's case, rather than run, she should embrace the left-wing slant and use it to her advantage. Instead, like Failin' Palin, she runs away.

185 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 11:45:48am

Image: christine.jpg

I laughed, because I'm basically 12.

186 ClaudeMonet  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 11:50:17am

re: #162 Gus 802

And what's on the front page of ABC News?

OBAMA'S WARS: Deeply Divided White House Portrayed in Explosive Book

Which is the same story that Drudge has been pimping all morning. He now links to another story with a title of:

ALL THE PRESIDENT'S HEN

Which links to a story in the Washington "Ooga Booga" Post titled:

Bob Woodward book details Obama battles with advisers over exit plan for Afghan war

There you have it. ABC News and the Washington Post on the same page as Drudge Report.

"OBAMA'S WARS"? Man, that's reprehensible. The President (of whom I'm not the biggest fan nor far from the harshest critic) didn't start the wars, he inherited them.

187 garhighway  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 11:51:37am

re: #139 jamesfirecat

Lets be fair here people... Bush Graduated from Yale, and Bill Gates never graduated from college.

So intelligence is not always measure by what school you go to...

In general, though, assuming that you aren't old money or otherwise connected, being able to get into an Ivy usually means you are pretty smart.

188 garhighway  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 11:52:41am

re: #103 rwmofo

The MSM long ago took off their collective masks and have no qualms showing their open hatred for half the country.

That is complete and utter horseshit.

189 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 11:53:45am

re: #185 negativ

Image: christine.jpg

I laughed, because I'm basically 12.

And now, copious tears of loss and shame at the now-broken link.

190 darthstar  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 11:57:11am

re: #189 negativ

And now, copious tears of loss and shame at the now-broken link.

Link the page

191 Our Precious Bodily Fluids  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 12:00:39pm

Alrighty, then.

192 John Q  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:01:48pm

To 176:

Have you seen the Throbbing Memo? Are you just being extra cautious?

I gotta say - it seems really bizarre that CBS is unable to account for the source of the disputed letter, or track down its provenance.

193 wrenchwench  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 1:03:48pm

re: #192 John Q

To 176:

I gotta say - it seems really bizarre that CBS is unable to account for the source of the disputed letter, or track down its provenance.

LOL

194 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Wed, Sep 22, 2010 11:07:04pm

re: #103 rwmofo

I don't blame her. The MSM long ago took off their collective masks and have no qualms showing their open hatred for half the country. ABC/NBC/CBS/MSNBC/NY Times/Washington Post, etc have been propaganda arms for the democrat party since the 70s. They can't honestly report the news as long as their agendas are front and center.

I love a paranoid


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