Renee Ellmers is running in North Carolina’s 2nd Congressional District, and she’s the latest fear-mongering Republican to exploit the rise of anti-Muslim bigotry, with a campaign ad in the “all Muslims are terrorists” genre.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:42:21pm |
how long before they are at the point where they openly demand muslims convert to christianity or they’ll be put to the sword?
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:42:31pm |
Oh boy, this is fun, lets play this game some;
Doctor Killer, Christians, whats the difference?
Pedophiles, Catholics, what the difference?
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TedStriker Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:43:14pm |
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Ojoe Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:44:47pm |
re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
Oh boy, this is fun, lets play this game some;
Doctor Killer, Christians, whats the difference?
Pedophiles, Catholics, what the difference?
Religion, politics, what’s the difference?
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Cheese Eating Victory Monkey Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:44:56pm |
Notice the 10th second of the video clip. The impression is that a Hagia Sophia-style mega mosque will be built on top of the ruins of the WTC.
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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:45:10pm |
re: #1 jamesfirecat
Can I get a transcript of this somewhere?
Right here:
After the Muslims conquered Jerusalem, they built a victory mosque.
And after they conquered Cordoba, they built a victory mosque.
And after they conquered Constantinople they built a victory mosque.
And now, they want to build a mosque by Ground Zero.
And Obama Supports it!
Where does Congressman Bob Etheridge stand?
He won’t say. Won’t speak out. Won’t take a stand.
The terrorists haven’t won and we should tell them in plain English, No. There will never be a mosque at Ground Zero.
Renee Ellmers is in a tight race with Congressman Bob Etheridge.
To help her win contribute at: [Link: www.ReneeForCongress.com…]
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HappyWarrior Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:47:29pm |
Remember people it’s liberals who are the real racists and fascists. Seriously screw this asshole and those like him.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:47:33pm |
9/11 was followed by the invasion and permanent occupation of two Muslim countries.
Some victory.
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Jack Burton Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:48:25pm |
re: #7 Gus 802
These morons step on their own argument while in the middle of making it. Last time I checked Manhattan was not conquered. Facts are inconvenient though, even when they are right out in plain sight.
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rhino2 Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:50:00pm |
Hey Ms. Elmers, I live in North Carolina and I was just curious: What the fuck does any of that have to do with the issues and needs we have in this state? Have any plans for any campaign ads that address any of the actual issues we are facing, or is the plan to just run with national fear mongering the entire time?
I think I can guess the answer.
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Ojoe Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:51:25pm |
re: #7 Gus 802
And after they conquered Constantinople they built a victory mosque.
That’s inaccurate, the building was constructed in 532-537. It was already there.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:51:41pm |
re: #7 Gus 802
After the Muslims conquered Jerusalem, they built a victory mosque.
After the Christians conquered Jerusalem, the Christians massacred Jews and Muslims and sacked the city.
And after they conquered Cordoba, they built a victory mosque.
After the Christians conquered Cordoba, they forced Muslims to convert or die. Later, they had a bunch of auto-da-fe’s there and burned lots of Jews and Muslims who had converted, but were suspected of being insincere.
And after they conquered Constantinople they built a victory mosque.
I am getting really sick and tired of this Christian rewriting of history where they’re the good guys and Muslims are the bad guys.
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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:51:46pm |
re: #7 Gus 802
The terrorists haven’t won and we should tell them in plain English, No. There will never be a mosque at Ground Zero.
It’s already there. Has been for years.
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:52:46pm |
re: #14 Obdicut
Whoops, forgot one:
And after they conquered Constantinople they built a victory mosque.
After the Crusaders conquered Constantinople, which was a Christian city they were supposedly going to help, they sacked it, massacred the inhabitants, and burned down most of the city.
[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
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andydp Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:53:02pm |
I posted this on Frum Forum earlier…
I’ll sign your petition to prevent the “Ground Zero Mosque” if you start an effort to get rid of the “gentleman’s club”, the OTB parlor and the OTHER mosque. What could be more respectful to the Hallowed Ground concept than a quick trip to bet on a favorite. After a hard day of construction work, a lap dance.
She also “slams” Moslems for building Victory mosques after retaking Jerusalem conveniently forgetting that…
When the Crusaders entered Jerusalem the went on an indiscriminate killing spree killing Moslems, Jews and Christians. Contemporary reports said the streets were red with blood. When Suleman retook Jerusalem he let the captives go after they paid a ransom. Suleman paid the ransoms of those who could afford it.
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Ojoe Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:53:21pm |
If you go down far enough, everything is built over the same point at the exact center of the earth.
So there.
Pan out everybody.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:54:09pm |
re: #16 Obdicut
Whoops, forgot one:
After the Crusaders conquered Constantinople, which was a Christian city they were supposedly going to help, they sacked it, massacred the inhabitants, and burned down most of the city.[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]
Man’s entitled to make a living. Crusading is hard work, ought pay off in the end.
/
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HappyWarrior Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:54:13pm |
re: #14 Obdicut
After the Christians conquered Jerusalem, the Christians massacred Jews and Muslims and sacked the city.
After the Christians conquered Cordoba, they forced Muslims to convert or die. Later, they had a bunch of auto-da-fe’s there and burned lots of Jews and Muslims who had converted, but were suspected of being insincere.
And after they conquered Constantinople they built a victory mosque.I am getting really sick and tired of this Christian rewriting of history where they’re the good guys and Muslims are the bad guys.
Weren’t they also not so kind to the Eastern Christians who lived in those areas? Seriously the re-writing of the Crusades is sickening. Next thing you’ll hear one of them admitting that the Spanish treatment of Jews and Muslims both was okay.
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wrenchwench Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:55:20pm |
On her website she says this:
Only in Washington, and only in the Obama administration, is building mosques seen as a way to defeat Islamic fundamentalists who strap dynamite to their bodies and climb onto airplanes to blow up ‘their enemies.’The President is wrong. His support for building a mosque at Ground Zero will be seen by our enemies as a sign of weakness. He should simply have told the mosque-builders, No, you’re wrong. And stopped it.
I guess she’d like the President to have more powers than he does now.
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:55:46pm |
The Crusaders were barbarians, plain and simple.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:56:00pm |
re: #21 HappyWarrior
they weren’t. Eastern Orthodox was considered Heresy as were many other “sects” of christianity. During that time there was one true church, roman catholicism, and any off shoots were treated as heretical and exterminated when possible.
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Idle Drifter Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:56:05pm |
So how long until Veggie Tales gets in on the act?
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Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:57:04pm |
re: #26 Dreggas
Though that leaves out that the Eastern Emperors had actually asked for the Crusader’s aid as fellow Christians, leaving them more than a little miffed when the Crusaders then started massacring them.
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lawhawk Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:57:36pm |
re: #13 Ojoe
That’s inaccurate, the building was constructed in 532-537. It was already there.
The Hagia Sophia was originally built as a church by Justinian I, but it was converted by the Muslim invaders into a mosque after the fall of the Eastern Roman Empire in 1453. That included removing Christian iconography and the construction of the minarets at the corners of the facility.
The building was turned into a museum in 1935 and it remains one of the best and largest examples of dome on pendentive form in the world; enabling the square form to translate into the circular form above.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:58:00pm |
re: #26 Dreggas
they weren’t. Eastern Orthodox was considered Heresy as were many other “sects” of christianity. During that time there was one true church, roman catholicism, and any off shoots were treated as heretical and exterminated when possible.
Yeah I was 99% positive of that but my knowledge of the crusades era is fuzzy. Knew about the mistreatment of Protestants and of Catholics once Protestants got in power. Whole thing ot me is why I am thankful every day that we have the freedom to worship or not to worship in any way we please.
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DaddyG Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:58:10pm |
Ishmael bitch slapped Isaac for being a jerk and lording his inheritance over him. Hagar and Sariah started into a cat fight over who’s fault it was. Abraham got fed up and got the wives and kids away from each other.
3000 years later we’re still having the same pissing contest.
(BTW- How do we know that Isaac was a grown man when Abraham went to sacrifice him? Because the angel couldn’t have stopped his hand from descending if Isaac was still a teenager.)
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RadicalModerate Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:58:10pm |
re: #25 Max D. Reinhardt
Yikes! Ahmadinejad is in full 9/11 Troofer mode at the UN.
Watching this live on CNN .
Just now, there was a HUGE number of nations’ delegates (including the US) who just got up and walked out on his speech.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:58:21pm |
re: #24 Varek Raith
What did you expect? The church basically said go kill, rape and pillage and you’ll be forgiven of all your sins and be assured to go to heaven. Not unlike the jihadis who are told to blow themselves up in the name of Allah and that they, too, will go to heaven. This is one of the reasons I loved the Dante’s Inferno game on X-box it pointed out the hypocrisy inherent in the crusades.
Funny thing is that the muslims treated christians and jews in the holy land much better than the so-called christians treated the jews and muslims during the crusades.
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DaddyG Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:58:29pm |
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Ojoe Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:59:21pm |
re: #29 lawhawk
IIRC the first dome on it collapsed & they rebuilt it rather quickly. Plus, the building was designed by a mathematician, not an architect.
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 23, 2010 12:59:30pm |
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:00:06pm |
re: #24 Varek Raith
The Crusaders were barbarians, plain and simple.
But they were our barbarians, dammit!
/
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sagehen Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:00:13pm |
re: #21 HappyWarrior
Weren’t they also not so kind to the Eastern Christians who lived in those areas? Seriously the re-writing of the Crusades is sickening. Next thing you’ll hear one of them admitting that the Spanish treatment of Jews and Muslims both was okay.
Not to mention how much blood has been spilled in theological disputes between Roman Catholics and Protestants.
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Mark Pennington Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:00:14pm |
I saw this on Hardball last night. Despicable and Un-American.
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jamesfirecat Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:00:27pm |
re: #35 lawhawk
[Video]
That video has nothing to do with that song… but then who could come up with a video that did have something to do with that song….
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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:01:19pm |
re: #12 rhino2
Hey Ms. Elmers, I live in North Carolina and I was just curious: What the fuck does any of that have to do with the issues and needs we have in this state? Have any plans for any campaign ads that address any of the actual issues we are facing, or is the plan to just run with national fear mongering the entire time?
I think I can guess the answer.
It’s on the front page of her campaign site. Unfortunately she’s ahead by 1 percent according to SurveyUSA although that’s from June. She’s just attempting to call out Etheridge and smear him even though he’s made no comment on Park 51.
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Cheese Eating Victory Monkey Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:01:26pm |
One more ignorant wingnut mistake:
The Dome of the Rock shown at the 7th second of the video is not really a mosque, but a shrine. Prayers are held in Al Aqsa.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:02:40pm |
What kind of glue is Ellmers sniffing?
I want some.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:03:08pm |
re: #39 sagehen
Not to mention how much blood has been spilled in theological disputes between Roman Catholics and Protestants.
I’m part Irish. No need to tell me heh. And even then there’s been conflicts between different Protestant groups. The Anglicans didn’t have much use for the Presberterians and vice versa. Stuff like this is exactly why I choose to live a quite secular life.
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:03:17pm |
re: #42 Gus 802
It’s on the front page of her campaign site. Unfortunately she’s ahead by 1 percent according to SurveyUSA although that’s from June. She’s just attempting to call out Etheridge and smear him even though he’s made no comment on Park 51.
I would love to discuss the important issues to South Caro….HEYLOOKITAJIHADEE!!!11ty
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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:03:35pm |
re: #44 Cato the Elder
What kind of glue is Ellmers sniffing?
I want some.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:03:39pm |
re: #42 Gus 802
It’s on the front page of her campaign site. Unfortunately she’s ahead by 1 percent according to SurveyUSA although that’s from June. She’s just attempting to call out Etheridge and smear him even though he’s made no comment on Park 51.
I’ve never heard Ellmers issue a statement on cockfighting, snorting cocaine off a hooker’s ass, or mugging midgets, so therefore, Ellmers must be for all of the above.
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:03:43pm |
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Idle Drifter Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:03:47pm |
re: #25 Max D. Reinhardt
Yikes! Ahmadinejad is in full 9/11 Troofer mode at the UN.
He also keeps spouting off about how Iran’s nuclear venture is really for peaceful purposes and that Israel will be pushed into the sea.
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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:04:11pm |
re: #48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)
I’ve never heard Ellmers issue a statement on cockfighting, snorting cocaine off a hooker’s ass, or mugging midgets, so therefore, Ellmers must be for all of the above.
That’s hilarious!
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:04:24pm |
re: #46 Varek Raith
I would love to discuss the important issues to South Caro…HEYLOOKITAJIHADEE!!!11ty
Bugger.
South should be North.
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Lidane Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:04:38pm |
re: #23 wrenchwench
I guess she’d like the President to have more powers than he does now.
Only if we’re talking about a white, Republican President.
I’d wager that the idea of Obama having any more power than he has now would set her hair on fire and give her the vapors.
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elizajane Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:05:20pm |
re: #7 Gus 802
Right here:
I listened to that ad twice, and a key line from her website is NOT actually delivered in the video:
“And Obama supports it.”
Which seems a strange omission. I mean, if she isn’t actually running against Obama, why is she talking about an issue that only effects people in New York City rather than, say, something in North Carolina?
//
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HappyWarrior Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:05:23pm |
OT: But facebook seems to be down. What in the hell.
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Idle Drifter Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:05:46pm |
re: #35 lawhawk
It’s not working for me. I really need to upgrade.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:06:24pm |
Who is this socktroll here named “Sergeant Major”?
Come out and play, boy.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:06:47pm |
I imagine Ms. Ellmers is like many of her follow Republicans saying Obama has ruined the ability of state and local governments to make their own decisions yet here she is whining about something that isn’t happening in her district or even her own state. Hypocrites the whole bloody lot of them. These people don’t have ideas. They’re just a bunch of angry windbags.
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:06:50pm |
re: #58 Cato the Elder
Who is this socktroll here named “Sergeant Major”?
Come out and play, boy.
A Malfunction?
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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:07:24pm |
re: #55 elizajane
I listened to that ad twice, and a key line from her website is NOT actually delivered in the video:
“And Obama supports it.”
Which seems a strange omission. I mean, if she isn’t actually running against Obama, why is she talking about an issue that only effects people in New York City rather than, say, something in North Carolina?//
It’s in this one:
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DaddyG Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:08:11pm |
re: #25 Max D. Reinhardt
Yikes! Ahmadinejad is in full 9/11 Troofer mode at the UN.
He might just win a GOP nomination for the House of Representatives if he keeps talking like that. /
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TedStriker Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:08:40pm |
re: #14 Obdicut
After the Christians conquered Jerusalem, the Christians massacred Jews and Muslims and sacked the city.
After the Christians conquered Cordoba, they forced Muslims to convert or die. Later, they had a bunch of auto-da-fe’s there and burned lots of Jews and Muslims who had converted, but were suspected of being insincere.
And after they conquered Constantinople they built a victory mosque.I am getting really sick and tired of this Christian rewriting of history where they’re the good guys and Muslims are the bad guys.
Long story short, there have been lots of bad shit done in the names of both Christianity and Islam…neither religion has a monopoly of goodness or evilness.
It’s the nature of Man, man…unfortunately.
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:08:41pm |
re: #62 DaddyG
He might just win a GOP nomination for the House of Representatives if he keeps talking like that. /
Ouch!
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Idle Drifter Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:08:49pm |
re: #51 Ojoe
I notice a picture of Mary holding a baby Jesus. The Hagia Sophia is an astounding work of architecture and engineering.
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Kragar (Antichrist ) Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:09:10pm |
re: #62 DaddyG
He might just win a GOP nomination for the House of Representatives if he keeps talking like that. /
LOL
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Lidane Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:09:38pm |
re: #62 DaddyG
He might just win a GOP nomination for the House of Representatives if he keeps talking like that. /
Pfft. At the rate the GOP’s Bad Crazy is growing, they’d nominate him for President in 2012 if he keeps talking like that.
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rhino2 Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:10:08pm |
re: #42 Gus 802
It’s on the front page of her campaign site. Unfortunately she’s ahead by 1 percent according to SurveyUSA although that’s from June. She’s just attempting to call out Etheridge and smear him even though he’s made no comment on Park 51.
I’m not Bob Etheridge’s biggest fan after that incident with the two students where he lost his cool (I sympathize with being frustrated by their annoying and ignorant questioning and the camera they were shoving in his face, but that’s not how he should have reacted), but I sure hope he trounces her in the elections. (Wish I could add my vote by I moved out of the 2nd Congressional District a few years ago).
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Nick Schroeder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:10:50pm |
Meh. Baptists, Evangelicals, George Tiller murderer…. What’s the difference?
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darthstar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:11:03pm |
Is she wearing a dog collar under that chain? Kinky! But Mama Grizzlies are brunettes, or did she not get that memo?
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:11:08pm |
re: #67 Lidane
Well he certainly fits what they’re looking for
Extremist
Hates gays
religious nut
etc.
I’m surprised he hasn’t been given an honorary membership in the JBS.
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elizajane Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:11:22pm |
re: #61 Gus 802
It’s in this one:
[Video]
Well now, that’s a relief.
Glad to know that this woman is running to represent Christians Against Obama rather than, say, to represent the interests of people in some little state in the southeastern USA.
//
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Ojoe Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:11:25pm |
re: #65 Idle Drifter
I notice a picture of Mary holding a baby Jesus. The Hagia Sophia is an astounding work of architecture and engineering.
Yes, to stand for more than 1,000 years! And NO STEEL to speak of; all the compressive forces are balanced.
1,000 plus years. ! ! !
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TedStriker Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:11:50pm |
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wrenchwench Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:11:56pm |
re: #70 darthstar
Is she wearing a dog collar under that chain? Kinky! But Mama Grizzlies are brunettes, or did she not get that memo?
Diversity!
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:12:26pm |
re: #73 Ojoe
Yes, to stand for more than 1,000 years! And NO STEEL to speak of; all the compressive forces are balanced.
1,000 plus years. ! ! !
Damn their sorcerous ways…
/
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Surabaya Stew Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:12:31pm |
“all Muslims are terrorists”?
What will happen when I inform my wife of this fact? Maybe, she will blow me up!
///
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:13:09pm |
re: #77 Surabaya Stew
“all Muslims are terrorists”?
What will happen when I inform my wife of this fact? Maybe, she will blow me up!
///
Please.
Like she’d need an excuse?!?!
///
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HappyWarrior Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:13:43pm |
If I were Bob Etheridge, I’d ask her directly so what are you going to do for the district? She’d be speechless since her whole campaign like so many others I’m seeing this election cycle is just Obama and the Democrats are bad, we’re good.
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darthstar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:13:58pm |
re: #75 wrenchwench
Diversity!
Well, she does have that “I had four Long Island Iced Teas last night” look to her, so she’ll probably get a lot of votes. At least we can rest knowing she’ll never allow a mosque at Ground Zero in North Carolina.
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rhino2 Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:14:42pm |
re: #79 HappyWarrior
If I were Bob Etheridge, I’d ask her directly so what are you going to do for the district? She’d be speechless since her whole campaign like so many others I’m seeing this election cycle is just Obama and the Democrats are bad, we’re good.
Precisely, and Etheridge has a track record to run on for actually getting things done for his district, it would be an absolutely comical debate.
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DaddyG Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:14:48pm |
re: #73 Ojoe
Yes, to stand for more than 1,000 years! And NO STEEL to speak of; all the compressive forces are balanced.
1,000 plus years. ! ! !
Yeah… at this rate it’ll be standing for another 1000 years and both the Christians and the Muslims can complain when the Scientologists take over and turn it into a Dianetics center. /
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DaddyG Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:15:13pm |
re: #77 Surabaya Stew
“all Muslims are terrorists”?
What will happen when I inform my wife of this fact? Maybe, she will blow me up!
///
Most guys would enjoy that. /
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rhino2 Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:15:28pm |
re: #80 darthstar
Well, she does have that “I had four Long Island Iced Teas last night” look to her, so she’ll probably get a lot of votes. At least we can rest knowing she’ll never allow a mosque at Ground Zero in North Carolina.
As a resident I can finally breath a sigh of relief! PHEEEEEEEEEEEEW, man was I worried about that.
//
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Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:15:49pm |
re: #80 darthstar
Renee, I’ll vote for you if you’ll let me snort coke off your ass…
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darthstar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:16:30pm |
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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:17:32pm |
OK, looking around. Bob Etheridge did not sign a letter to President Bush demanding Gitmo’s closure.
[Link: www.mcclatchydc.com…]
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:18:19pm |
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DaddyG Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:19:49pm |
re: #90 Dreggas
Lay off Sarah -she is a charitable person. I got a nice personal note from her in the mail yesterday asking if I would donate some cash to the poor orphans in the Repubican party. /
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darthstar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:21:33pm |
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Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:22:32pm |
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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:22:50pm |
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:23:17pm |
re: #91 darthstar
BWAHAHAHAHA!
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:23:59pm |
re: #94 Cato the Elder
That still from the vid is definitely not flattering. I always said Karma has a way of making those who are ugly on the inside, ugly on the outside as well.
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darthstar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:24:16pm |
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DaddyG Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:24:45pm |
re: #97 Dreggas
That still from the vid is definitely not flattering. I always said Karma has a way of making those who are ugly on the inside, ugly on the outside as well.
Then I must be growing as a person.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:24:46pm |
re: #90 Dreggas
But of course and she throws in a reference to the “lamestream” media too. Sarah you are part of the media you stupid moron.
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darthstar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:24:46pm |
re: #94 Cato the Elder
Is it just me or does Sawah actually get skankier by the day?
She’s just embracing her inner tramp.
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DaddyG Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:26:08pm |
I still can’t believe the Hoff got booted off of Dancing with the Stars before the poster child for Bristol “do as my mother says not as I do” Palin.
That tells me a lot about the demographic for that show.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:26:20pm |
re: #100 HappyWarrior
totally one of those types who discovers some new word or catch phrase and then proceeds to beat it to death through over-use. Of course I expect a new marketing campaign from FOX along the lines of “leaving the lamestream media in the dust”.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:26:54pm |
And by the way Sarah maybe the media is focusing on O’Donnell’s finances since she’s presenting herself as this “fiscally responsible” candidate. I know Sarah the lamestream media is just out to get you and your nutty friends.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:28:49pm |
re: #103 Dreggas
totally one of those types who discovers some new word or catch phrase and then proceeds to beat it to death through over-use. Of course I expect a new marketing campaign from FOX along the lines of “leaving the lamestream media in the dust”.
Yep, she’s been using “lamestream” media to describe the media for a year now. It’s totally well lame because it’s all she says. It’s yeah like someone discovering a new word and then they use it in every single context. I did that when I was a teenager and had a teenager’s brain like Sarah does. Apologies to any teenagers here or people who have them here.
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Romantic Heretic Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:31:53pm |
Does that mean Timothy McVeigh was a Muslim? /
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darthstar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:34:37pm |
re: #105 HappyWarrior
Yep, she’s been using “lamestream” media to describe the media for a year now. It’s totally well lame because it’s all she says. It’s yeah like someone discovering a new word and then they use it in every single context. I did that when I was a teenager and had a teenager’s brain like Sarah does. Apologies to any teenagers here or people who have them here.
I stopped using the word “lame” in the sixth grade.
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rhino2 Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:35:07pm |
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darthstar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:35:57pm |
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:36:53pm |
re: #105 HappyWarrior
*snickers* Lamestream Media *snickers*. Like a boy when he first learns the word poop and thinks it’s the funniest thing ever.
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Idle Drifter Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:38:41pm |
re: #107 darthstar
I stopped using the word “lame” in the sixth grade.
My little cousin kept using the word “lame” every time I was watching River Monsters. So I guess its use comes in cycles like when Disney thinks it’s safe to launch another string of Boy Bands.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:38:59pm |
via Paul Krugman:
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
- Kung Fu Monkey
[Link: kfmonkey.blogspot.com…]
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:39:31pm |
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:39:48pm |
re: #112 Jeff In Ohio
ROFLMAO.
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:40:33pm |
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rhino2 Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:43:00pm |
re: #115 Dreggas
small business…you keep saying that word but I don’t think it means what you think it means.
Ding for Princess Bride reference ;)
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:43:06pm |
SECURITY MOMS FOR AMURIKA AND AGAINST TYRANNY YEE HAW
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HappyWarrior Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:43:17pm |
re: #110 Dreggas
*snickers* Lamestream Media *snickers*. Like a boy when he first learns the word poop and thinks it’s the funniest thing ever.
Ah, expressed it better than I could.
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Jadespring Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:44:31pm |
” OMG Facebook is going down! Help me I can’t get in!”
LOL. Widespread panic is hitting internet world as we speak as Facebook is experiencing difficulties.
I’m on a couple of other sites and some of the panic is pretty funny (and sad) and boy do some people really freak out.
“I hate you facebook!!! It’s my day off and I need you! I want to play my games!! Arrrggghh”
….and stuff like that.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:45:16pm |
re: #119 Jadespring
” OMG Facebook is going down! Help me I can’t get in!”
LOL. Widespread panic is hitting internet world as we speak as Facebook is experiencing difficulties.
I’m on a couple of other sites and some of the panic is pretty funny (and sad) and boy do some people really freak out.
“I hate you facebook!!! It’s my day off and I need you! I want to play my games!! Arrrggghh”
…and stuff like that.
still not on facebook, don’t need it
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Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:45:31pm |
re: #116 rhino2
it was just too easy.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:45:47pm |
re: #119 Jadespring
” OMG Facebook is going down! Help me I can’t get in!”
LOL. Widespread panic is hitting internet world as we speak as Facebook is experiencing difficulties.
I’m on a couple of other sites and some of the panic is pretty funny (and sad) and boy do some people really freak out.
“I hate you facebook!!! It’s my day off and I need you! I want to play my games!! Arrrggghh”
…and stuff like that.
Haha I am a little pissed myself since I have a couple of club meetings today and I forget the exact location. But I’m just glad I am not a Farmville or Mafia Wars player. Just too lame for me.
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Ojoe Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:45:48pm |
Hussein, Milhouse, Fitzgerald
BFD everyone, everyone, everyone.
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iossarian Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:46:03pm |
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Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:46:05pm |
Did someone hand the GOP a study showing the this is the Year of the Tarty Raddled Cougar?
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darthstar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:47:55pm |
re: #125 Cato the Elder
Did someone hand the GOP a study showing the this is the Year of the Tarty Raddled Cougar?
The “hospitality suites” at the GOP convention are going to give that phrase a whole new meaning.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:47:57pm |
re: #119 Jadespring
Facebook is awesomely lame.
I don’t get it. What is the attraction of connecting with people I spent 1/2 a lifetime trying to forget?
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CuriousLurker Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:49:11pm |
re: #105 HappyWarrior
Yep, she’s been using “lamestream” media to describe the media for a year now. It’s totally well lame because it’s all she says. It’s yeah like someone discovering a new word and then they use it in every single context. I did that when I was a teenager and had a teenager’s brain like Sarah does.
I was just thinking the same thing. Her whole persona reminds me of a teenage girl: the made-up words, the pouty it’s-not-fair whining, and the whiplash inducing swiftness with which she moves from winky-smiley-chirpy cutesiness to vicious lip-curled snarkiness.
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Jadespring Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:49:27pm |
re: #122 HappyWarrior
Haha I am a little pissed myself since I have a couple of club meetings today and I forget the exact location. But I’m just glad I am not a Farmville or Mafia Wars player. Just too lame for me.
I think that’s a perfectly okay reason for being a bit annoyed. It’s the OMG end of the world I can’t see and talk to my friends and play my games!’ type comments that are cracking me up.
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darthstar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:49:57pm |
re: #127 Jeff In Ohio
Facebook is awesomely lame.
I don’t get it. What is the attraction of connecting with people I spent 1/2 a lifetime trying to forget?
I find it interesting how many of my old stoner friends are now bible thumping wing-nuts. Scary, too.
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Jadespring Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:50:25pm |
re: #129 Jadespring
And #^%$^%$ Facebook my crops are going to whither!!!!!!!
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Romantic Heretic Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:50:51pm |
re: #112 Jeff In Ohio
Funniest thing I’ve read all week.
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darthstar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:50:55pm |
re: #129 Jadespring
Cool…Facebook just gave me this:
Service Unavailable - DNS failure
The server is temporarily unable to service your request. Please try again later.
Reference #11.9de8dfad.1285275034.6353a8be
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deranged cat Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:51:47pm |
re: #127 Jeff In Ohio
Facebook is awesomely lame.
I don’t get it. What is the attraction of connecting with people I spent 1/2 a lifetime trying to forget?
then dont connect with them :P
i think what people need to remember.. all the things that people hate about facebook and twitter (friending people you barely know, twittering about taking a shower/doing your hair, etc) you yourself are NOT obligated to do that. you can use it intelligently and effectively, much the same way Charles uses Twitter.
Facebook can be effectively used for arranging group meetings, finding people in your class, or hell… an alternative to emailing your parents/relatives.
I say this: sign up, try it out, forget it if you don’t like it. but dont bash it til you tried it. that’s what i tell my very negative pessimistic parents…they still have yet to listen to me, actually.
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Jadespring Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:54:29pm |
re: #127 Jeff In Ohio
Facebook is awesomely lame.
I don’t get it. What is the attraction of connecting with people I spent 1/2 a lifetime trying to forget?
Well I do use to keep in touch with family that are spread around all over the place. It’s nice for that. I’ve moved a lot so I find it good to keep somewhat in touch with some friends. Like for instance this morning a good friend I haven’t seen in years saw me on and said he was coming to my neck of the woods and lets get together. That part is cool. I did avoid it for a long time and don’t post much myself but it has because at least for my extended family a bit of an info hub that keeps people in touch of things that are going on and what people are up too.
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CuriousLurker Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:54:39pm |
re: #128 CuriousLurker
I was just thinking the same thing. Her whole persona reminds me of a teenage girl: the made-up words, the pouty it’s-not-fair whining, and the whiplash inducing swiftness with which she moves from winky-smiley-chirpy cutesiness to vicious lip-curled snarkiness.
Not to mention that the behavior is barely tolerable in a 16 year old. In a 46 year old it’s gag inducing.
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HappyWarrior Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:55:18pm |
Facebook has its positive side I’d say. I did have this weird instance where this guy who was a friend of my cousin’s husband tried to friend me. I was like what the hell haha. But what’s been nice is that I’ve become real close to another one of my cousins and we talk fairly regularly. Her son and my youngest brother are the same age and they’ve hanged out with each other a couple times and become close. It’s yeah as said good for planning events and stuff. But the games like Mafia Wars and Farmville can go to hell for all I care. I like using facebook or IM chat sicne I am not the best at talking on the phone.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:55:50pm |
re: #130 darthstar
I find it interesting how many of my old stoner friends are now bible thumping wing-nuts. Scary, too.
Exactly what I don’t want to know. There’s a woman who lived next to me when I lived in NJ as a kid. We use to have fake sex with her Barbie and my GI Joe. Good times. Now she’s a born again whatever and emails me twice a year to let me know Jesus loves me. Only ‘cause he has to, sweet cheeks.
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DaddyG Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:56:33pm |
re: #131 Jadespring
And #^%$^%$ Facebook my crops are going to whither!!!
Take this virtual sedative pill. It wil virtually make you feel better until you can get back to your virtual cows.
(|)
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deranged cat Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:57:01pm |
re: #127 Jeff In Ohio
Facebook is awesomely lame.
I don’t get it. What is the attraction of connecting with people I spent 1/2 a lifetime trying to forget?
though, i don’t give a flying mother whozit f*** sh***** about Farmville or Mafia Wars.
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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:57:11pm |
re: #134 deranged cat
Um, I got this thing right here, maybe you seen one? It’s called a telephone and a calendar.
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darthstar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:59:10pm |
re: #131 Jadespring
And #^%$^%$ Facebook my crops are going to whither!!!
I played FarmTown for about seven or eight months…got up to 1,000,000 credits, then deleted everything and filled my entire farm with evergreen trees. Now it’s just a forest. Did something similar with Island Paradise…got enough credits to get it up to a certain level, then built a tennis court where two Kiwis are playing a doubles match against two Turtles…have been now for six months or so.
I’m done with their games, except Bejeweled Blitz…that’s sixty seconds of hand-eye coordination practice I don’t mind doing every few days.
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DaddyG Thu, Sep 23, 2010 1:59:25pm |
Or perhaps a virtual joint would be better.
===~
Just don’t let the Farmville DEA find out what you are growing in between the corn rows.
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Jadespring Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:00:06pm |
re: #137 HappyWarrior
Facebook has its positive side I’d say. I did have this weird instance where this guy who was a friend of my cousin’s husband tried to friend me. I was like what the hell haha. But what’s been nice is that I’ve become real close to another one of my cousins and we talk fairly regularly. Her son and my youngest brother are the same age and they’ve hanged out with each other a couple times and become close. It’s yeah as said good for planning events and stuff. But the games like Mafia Wars and Farmville can go to hell for all I care. I like using facebook or IM chat sicne I am not the best at talking on the phone.
I have it set up so it’s pretty near impossible for anyone to just find me. I don’t want or really care if Joe Blow from high school (who I barely ever talked to anyway) wants to add me. So no networks, privacy settings as tight as possible and the bare minimum of personal info. I only have people on it that I want be in touch with. It’s good that way you can be as open or closed off as you want.
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celticdragon Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:02:33pm |
re: #2 Dreggas
how long before they are at the point where they openly demand muslims convert to christianity or they’ll be put to the sword?
Ann Coulter played that card in 2001.
We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.
True, she had just lost a close personal friend of hers (Barbara Olsen) on the plane that hit the Pentagon, so some hyperbole is to be expected…but damn.
Interesting how the NC 2nd District is the central east part of NC. Most of the really wingnutty Virginia Fox shit comes from the western districts. I love western North Carolina, but they elect some real wingnut barking moonbats.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:03:29pm |
re: #127 Jeff In Ohio
Facebook is awesomely lame.
I don’t get it. What is the attraction of connecting with people I spent 1/2 a lifetime trying to forget?
Bingo!
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Jadespring Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:03:46pm |
re: #142 darthstar
I played FarmTown for about seven or eight months…got up to 1,000,000 credits, then deleted everything and filled my entire farm with evergreen trees. Now it’s just a forest. Did something similar with Island Paradise…got enough credits to get it up to a certain level, then built a tennis court where two Kiwis are playing a doubles match against two Turtles…have been now for six months or so.
I’m done with their games, except Bejeweled Blitz…that’s sixty seconds of hand-eye coordination practice I don’t mind doing every few days.
I’ve tried a few of the games mostly because my Mom kept bugging me. Found them pretty boring. Just a lot of repetition. So I do have a Farmville farm and a Zoo sitting out in cyberspace. Some of my friends play Mafia Wars. Sorry to any MW fans out there but man that’s a boring game.
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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:05:09pm |
re: #147 Jadespring
I’ve tried a few of the games mostly because my Mom kept bugging me. Found them pretty boring. Just a lot of repetition. So I do have a Farmville farm and a Zoo sitting out in cyberspace. Some of my friends play Mafia Wars. Sorry to any MW fans out there but man that’s a boring game.
It sounds like Facebook games are sort of the 2010 version of what BBS door games used to be
And door games were pretty boring too :D
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prairiefire Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:05:11pm |
re: #141 Jeff In Ohio
Um, I got this thing right here, maybe you seen one? It’s called a telephone and a calendar.
I have telephone books. They are filled with things like addresses and land line telephone numbers.
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Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:07:34pm |
I think a combination of Farmville and Mafia Wars would be a hit.
Coke Plantation!
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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:09:41pm |
Ellmer’s sez,
President Obama has announced he is going to close Guantanamo Bay Prison and bring the terrorists there – like 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheik Mohammed – to New York to stand trial in civilian courts, giving them their ‘Constitutional Rights.’
Congressman Bob Etheridge voted to support the President and close Guantanamo Bay.
However:
Bob Etheridge voted yes on H R 2346: Supplemental Appropriations, Fy 2009. This included the prohibition of funds to be used for the closure of Guantanamo.
Prohibits funds from being used to transfer a prisoner detained at the Naval Station in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba to the U.S., unless the prisoner is being transferred for the purposes of prosecution or detainment during legal proceedings and the President has submitted a plan to Congress that includes the following (Sec. 14103)
Then in 2010:
In December 2009, the administration announced that it would ask Congress to appropriate money to purchase the Thomson Correctional Center in northwest Illinois to house Gitmo detainees. The plan took a blow, however, in May 2010, when the House Armed Services Committee inserted language into the 2011 defense bill which specifically prohibits the use of funds to purchase or modify any U.S. facility for Gitmo prisoners. The measure was adopted by the full House on May 28, 2010 in a 282-131 vote. The Senate Armed Services Committee adopted a similar proposal on May 28, 2810. The two proposals have yet to become law, however. In June, Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich announced that the administration plans to go ahead with the purchase of the facility for regular domestic federal prisoners.
and:
House votes to prohibit moving Gitmo detainees
Setback to Obama plans for Illinois prison
May 30, 2010|By Katherine Skiba, Tribune reporterWASHINGTON — — On the eve of its Memorial Day recess, the House of Representatives dealt a setback Friday to the Obama administration bid to close the detention center in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and send terror suspects to a prison in northwest Illinois.
Lawmakers adopted a measure to bar the use of funds in the National Defense Reauthorization Act to transfer or release terror suspects from Guantanamo. The vote was 282-131, with Democrats split.
Obama vowed to close Guantanamo within a year of taking office, but has missed the deadline. Last fall the administration unveiled a plan to move some terror suspects from Cuba to an underused prison in Thomson, Ill.
This was House Vote #335 (May 28, 2010) where again Etheridge voted yes.
Also couldn’t find any comment by Etheridge regarding Guantanamo on both his Congressional site and campaign site.
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Jadespring Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:11:10pm |
re: #148 WindUpBird
It sounds like Facebook games are sort of the 2010 version of what BBS door games used to be
And door games were pretty boring too :D
I remember those. :) Yes they are like that. I know some people really like them and don’t want things that are that complicated which is fine. Just not my thing. I’ve tried showing my Mom some of the games I’ve played that I would think she would like but no, just to damn complicated to figure out. Plus she really likes the social aspect of the FB games. She started playing when my nephew did and was quite happy to having something she could do with him regularly since they live so far apart.
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garhighway Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:31:23pm |
re: #17 andydp
I posted this on Frum Forum earlier…
I’ll sign your petition to prevent the “Ground Zero Mosque” if you start an effort to get rid of the “gentleman’s club”, the OTB parlor and the OTHER mosque. What could be more respectful to the Hallowed Ground concept than a quick trip to bet on a favorite. After a hard day of construction work, a lap dance.
She also “slams” Moslems for building Victory mosques after retaking Jerusalem conveniently forgetting that…
When the Crusaders entered Jerusalem the went on an indiscriminate killing spree killing Moslems, Jews and Christians. Contemporary reports said the streets were red with blood. When Suleman retook Jerusalem he let the captives go after they paid a ransom. Suleman paid the ransoms of those who could afford it.
Please tell me you won’t close the Dakota Roadhouse. I liked that place, and the bartender was cute.
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Albigensian Fri, Sep 24, 2010 7:46:11am |
There’s a question of ends vs. means here.
That is, jihadis intend to impose a Muslim theocracy through the use of force. But, non-violent Muslims can impose a Muslim theocracy through democratic means.
A real question remain, how many non-violent Muslims living in liberal, pluralistic, democratic countries believe it is their duty to create a Muslim theocracy?
If the answer is “many” or “most,” then there is a real problem as these Muslims will, if they have the numbers, threaten the freedoms that many of us consider essential to a good life.
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Enlino Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:21:37am |
re: #154 Albigensian
There’s a question of ends vs. means here.
That is, jihadis intend to impose a Muslim theocracy through the use of force. But, non-violent Muslims can impose a Muslim theocracy through democratic means.
A real question remain, how many non-violent Muslims living in liberal, pluralistic, democratic countries believe it is their duty to create a Muslim theocracy?
If the answer is “many” or “most,” then there is a real problem as these Muslims will, if they have the numbers, threaten the freedoms that many of us consider essential to a good life.
But is there any reason at all to suspect that the average muslim in America wants to create a muslim theocracy? Because frankly, people worried about a ‘muslim takeover’ seem to be rather selective in their concerns: if America becomes a theocracy, no way in hell is it going to be anything but a christian theocracy. I like demonizing others as much as anyone, but constantly holding muslims apart and treating them as a potential threat seems counterproductive to the goal of a peaceful America.
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wrenchwench Fri, Sep 24, 2010 8:43:12am |
re: #154 Albigensian
There’s a question of ends vs. means here.
That is, jihadis intend to impose a Muslim theocracy through the use of force. But, non-violent Muslims can impose a Muslim theocracy through democratic means.
A real question remain, how many non-violent Muslims living in liberal, pluralistic, democratic countries believe it is their duty to create a Muslim theocracy?
If the answer is “many” or “most,” then there is a real problem as these Muslims will, if they have the numbers, threaten the freedoms that many of us consider essential to a good life.
If non-violent Muslims living in this liberal, pluralistic, democratic country had the numbers and the desire to “impose” a Muslim theocracy through democratic means, would they not be exercising the very freedoms we consider essential? Of course, this would no longer be a liberal, pluralistic, democratic country after that, but if it’s done by democratic means, can it really be called an “imposition”?
By the way, I hardly consider that a “real question” in the sense that it might actually take place in the next 500 years.
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