The GOP Pledge to America and the Religious Right

PoliticsSeptember 2010 • Views: 3,471

I had to laugh at this CBS News headline about the GOP’s new “Pledge to America” (hmm, sounds vaguely reminiscent of something): Are Social Conservatives Losing Their Voice in the GOP?

I laughed because to me, the absence of a lot of social conservative language in this document looks like a last ditch effort, by the slowly vanishing Old Guard of the Grand Old Party, to focus on substantive issues instead of religious right extremism. But the reality is that in state after state, the social conservative far right Tea Party candidates are knocking down the GOP fat cats, no matter how long they’ve been in office.

The “Pledge to America” is an attempt to pretend the takeover isn’t really happening.

The GOP’s resistance to making the extremist social agenda of the religious right a central focus is one of the main reasons the Tea Party movement exists; there’s been a very strong fundamentalist religious component to it, right from the beginning. A prime motivator for teabaggers is their contempt for the establishment Republican Party, and the “Pledge to America” won’t change that.

And Tea Party astroturfer Dick Armey has promised that if they take control of Congress, social issues are coming to the forefront in a big way.

Social conservatives aren’t “losing their voice” — in fact, it’s louder than ever. But the GOP is wearing earplugs.

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237 comments

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:00:49pm

Pay no attention to that gay, masturbating man behind the curtain!

Kragar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:03:23pm

The Pledge is a last gasp by the traditional GOP to remain relevant in their own party and the Tea Baggers and Socons are already busy attacking them for ignoring their agenda.

freetoken Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:03:59pm

The “Pledge to America” is an attempt to pretend the takeover isn’t really happening.

At the very least.

It is very disingenuous document, full of partial truths.

And, it contains the magic word “Creator” near the beginning, which shows that all the right codewords are embedded.

Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:04:05pm

All the wingnut blogs seem pretty universally unimpressed with the new GOP pledge. I doubt it has much appeal to moderates to it seems like it was probably a big waste of time.

celticdragon Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:04:33pm

Are Social Conservatives Losing Their Voice in the GOP?

Whoever wrote that is huffing some serious aromatic hydrocarbons, and they need to quit. Brain damage accumulates.

freetoken Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:05:52pm

re: #4 Killgore Trout

Speaking of the “moderates”:

Whitman opposes Prop. 23 emissions law suspension

Whitman knows that what plays in Oklahoma won’t play in California.

Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:06:43pm

This is the Religious Right’s revenge on the party for Ronald Reagan ditching them as soon as Nancy’s astrologer told her the stars were propitious.

They have been waiting for decades, getting their people into key positions in government, media and politics, and now they are making their move to gain control over a major political party.

And it looks like they are succeeding

Kragar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:07:47pm

Conservatives split on GOP’s new ‘Pledge To America,’ unveiled by House Republicans

Conservative blogger Erick Erickson called the pledge the “most ridiculous thing to come out of Washington since George McClellan.”

Erickson blasted the document for not providing specific, long-term solutions.

“Yes, yes, it is full of mom-tested, kid-approved pablum that will make certain hearts on the right sing in solidarity,” he wrote on his blog, Redstate.com. “But like a diet full of sugar, it will actually do nothing but keep making Washington fatter before we crash from the sugar high.”

The pledge gathers familiar talking points for Republicans, such as cutting taxes and slashing government spending. It comes at a time when the GOP is gearing up for the midterm elections and hoping to gain majorities in Congress.

And from Hot Air, who I won’t link to;

“Tea Partiers — activists and candidates alike — will not be interested in them. They may reject them on principle. They may reject them on the idea that the GOP leaders’ concerns are based on the Pledge as a campaign document, when it should be seen more as a governing document. They can point to the Contract as an example, or even note that voters did not notice or care that Obama ran on a left-wing platform, because they were fed up with the failures (real and imagined) of the Bush43 Republicans.”

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:07:54pm

re: #7 ralphieboy

This is the Religious Right’s revenge on the party for Ronald Reagan ditching them as soon as Nancy’s astrologer told her the stars were propitious.

They have been waiting for decades, getting their people into key positions in government, media and politics, and now they are making their move to gain control over a major political party.

And it looks like they are succeeding

The stars are right!

I’m staying on the west coast until the rest of America comes to their senses, haha

Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:09:12pm

If they don’t win big enough in 2010 and 2012, I expect the military will intervene.

Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:09:36pm

re: #6 freetoken

Don’t you know, Whitman smoked the tea but never inhaled.

elizajane Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:09:55pm

Focus on substantive issues facing America?

You mean like the pledge to cut spending “with commonsense exceptions for seniors and soldiers”? Like no cutting entitlements and defense spending?

Oh, we’re going to balance the budget by getting rid of NPR and the NEH, right?

WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:10:35pm

re: #8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Erickson bitching about pablum in the GOP, man that is breathtaking

I am pulling up a lawnchair and watching that with a margarita in hand

it’s like looking at an eclipse

Surabaya Stew Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:11:46pm

re: #12 elizajane

Focus on substantive issues facing America?

You mean like the pledge to cut spending “with commonsense exceptions for seniors and soldiers”? Like no cutting entitlements and defense spending?

Oh, we’re going to balance the budget by getting rid of NPR and the NEH, right?

Well, isn’t that where all the big money is spent in DC? That and 25% of our budget goes towards foreign aid too, right?
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freetoken Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:12:36pm

The GOP manifesto/contract-writing committee has no more claim to truth than the GOP Propaganda Network, which runs articles like this straight up without any critical analysis:

Aliens Are Monitoring Our Nukes, Worry Ex-Air Force Officers

Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:13:03pm

re: #2 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

The Pledge is a last gasp by the traditional GOP to remain relevant in their own party and the Tea Baggers and Socons are already busy attacking them for ignoring their agenda.

It’s one of several last gasps. How many times have they attempted to rebrand themselves since November, 2008? Like 6 or 7?

But don’t you worry, the Young Guns are coming to town! And they got themselves some new fangled ideas! Like, um, cutting the deficit though tax cuts! Growing the economy through tax cuts! Healthcare for everyone through tax cuts! Wipe the tears of Jesus through tax cuts! Build roads with tax cuts! Put out house fires with tax cuts! Educate the children with tax cuts! Safe streets with tax cuts! Cure homelessness with tax cuts! Cure cancer with tax cuts! Alleviate erectile disfunction with tax cuts! Put pedophiles in jsial with tax cuts! Secure the border with tax cuts! No mosque at ground zero with tax cuts!

Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:14:36pm

re: #13 WindUpBird

Erickson bitching about pablum in the GOP, man that is breathtaking

I am pulling up a lawnchair and watching that with a margarita in hand

it’s like looking ~~at an eclipse~~ the zombie apocalypse

FTFY.

Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:15:10pm

re: #15 freetoken

The GOP manifesto/contract-writing committee has no more claim to truth than the GOP Propaganda Network, which runs articles like this straight up without any critical analysis:

Aliens Are Monitoring Our Nukes, Worry Ex-Air Force Officers

That’s under air and space? WTF is wrong with those freaks? Never mind. I think I answered my own question.

Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:16:40pm

re: #18 Gus 802

Captain Robert Salas was on duty in Montana in 1967 when a UFO shut down the nuclear missiles on his base.

Does that mean he had live nukes at his base in 1967?

engineer cat Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:17:10pm

we all pay such close attention to the words, but it’s the music that counts, and the wingnuts, fundies, and bigots all hear the pleasing melodies that they want to hear

freetoken Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:18:15pm

re: #20 engineer dog

Well, I suppose everybody hears what they want to. Yet I do agree that the purpose of throwing in buzzwords (like Creator) is to ensure just as you said.

Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:19:22pm

Alex Jones Says Gay People are Created by the Government

Youtube Video

Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:19:40pm

re: #15 freetoken

The GOP manifesto/contract-writing committee has no more claim to truth than the GOP Propaganda Network, which runs articles like this straight up without any critical analysis:

Aliens Are Monitoring Our Nukes, Worry Ex-Air Force Officers

Heh

freetoken Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:20:20pm

What?! You mean the Obama administration won’t cater to The Truth!?

US walks out on Ahmadinejad UN speech

The U.S. delegation walked out of the U.N. speech of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Thursday after he said some in the world have speculated that Americans were actually behind the Sept. 11 terror attacks, staged in an attempt to assure Israel’s survival.

The Alex Jones contingent will certainly have something to say about this.

Ericus58 Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:20:34pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Alex Jones Says Gay People are Created by the Government

[Video]

LOL… Alex Jones…
His yap-flappin’ reminds me of this:

Bobby Boucher: [after Reading A Question About Benjamin Franklin] Ben Franklin
Young Bobby Boucher: [Flashback To Bobby’s Childhood] Mama, When Did Ben Franklin Invent Electricity?
Mama Boucher: That’s Nonsense, I Invented Electricity. Ben Franklin Is The Devil!

darthstar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:20:41pm

re: #6 freetoken

Speaking of the “moderates”:

Whitman opposes Prop. 23 emissions law suspension

Whitman knows that what plays in Oklahoma won’t play in California.

Meg says she opposes prop 23, but that she’ll use the executive power of the Governor’s office to apply the 1 year suspension of the emissions law upon taking office…which she can do every year.

freetoken Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:21:23pm

re: #26 darthstar

Yeah, she’s trying to walk both sides of the street. I don’t think it’ll work.

Kragar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:21:52pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Alex Jones Says Gay People are Created by the Government

[Video]

That man brings crazy to a whole new level.

Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:22:34pm

re: #19 Jeff In Ohio

Does that mean he had live nukes at his base in 1967?

Bunch of bungholes. Then they have this photo:

Image: UFO%20slide%201_slideshow_604x500.jpg

With this caption:

Looking like a scene right out of the movie Independence Day, this glowing halo in the sky was seen in the sky over Moscow, Russia in early October 2009. UFO experts were baffled by the sighting but Moscow’s weather bureau claimed the effect was caused by several weather fronts passing through Moscow as the sun shined from the west.

The weather bureau claimed? Claimed? Bunch of idiots. This shit pisses me off like truthers, Oswald, moon hoaxers and so on.

Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:23:07pm

re: #16 Jeff In Ohio

It is an article of conservative doctrine that tax cuts will be reinvested in the economy and create more jobs and growth.

It is an article of doctrine that government regulation and interference in industry hinders growth.

There is no arguing with this doctrine, even in the light of the financial collapse which was brought about by a lack of regulation of the financial industry, and which required a government bailout to keep it from wrecking the entire nation’s economy

AJStrata Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:25:19pm

Charles,

There is a battle in the GOP between social cons and fiscal/libertarian cons - but I think you over estimate the social cons ascension. They look to me to be seriously descending in power. I have been to tea party events and it is a constitutional, small government movement.

yes, those classic loons like Hannity and Ingraham and Malkin are trying to take control of th movement - but it is not working. The outcry from the far right is actually good to see, since it identifies those who are the far right mirror image of the far left.

If your ‘theory’ was right then O’Donnell would be winning - she is not. Of all the candidates she is the one and only sinking. Also, to take control of the GOP the party needs to win. They are not winning. Incumbents are losing (for good reason).

You can pretend along with Hannity the Tea Party is a social con movement - but it isn’t. Which is why The Pledge is much more a libertarian approach and not the usual GOP-Con stuff:

[Link: strata-sphere.com…]

Cheers, AJStrata

Jadespring Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:25:31pm

re: #15 freetoken

The GOP manifesto/contract-writing committee has no more claim to truth than the GOP Propaganda Network, which runs articles like this straight up without any critical analysis:

Aliens Are Monitoring Our Nukes, Worry Ex-Air Force Officers

And hypothetically say it is true. What would you expect the military or the government to do about it anyways. Fight them off or something? Send them a strongly worded message? :D

Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:25:56pm

re: #12 elizajane

Focus on substantive issues facing America?

You mean like the pledge to cut spending “with commonsense exceptions for seniors and soldiers”? Like no cutting entitlements and defense spending?

Oh, we’re going to balance the budget by getting rid of NPR and the NEH, right?

Well, they’re real issues at least, but I didn’t say the solutions were any good.

Better to talk about cutting spending than mice with fully functioning human brains.

freetoken Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:26:47pm

Does the new Manifesto mention Death Panels? Since The Sarah reignited that claim today by typing this:

And remember when the Obama administration said they would not be “rationing care” in the future? That ol’ “death panels” thing I wrote about last year? That was before Obamacare was passed. Once it passed, they admitted there was going to be rationing after all. There has to be. The reality of Obamacare is that it enshrines what the New York Times called “The Power of No” – the government’s power to say no to your request for treatment of the people you love. The fact that the president used a recess appointment to push through the nomination of Dr. Donald Berwick as head of the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services tells you all you need to know about this administration’s intentions. After all, Berwick is the man who said, “The decision is not whether we will ration care – the decision is whether we will ration with our eyes open.”

How can we trust the GOP if they don’t pledge to keep us from the death panels?

Kronocide Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:26:56pm

They’re desperate and grasping at what used to work. At least you can’t dish it by saying ‘The Pledge On America.’

Why don’t they just have a seance on Ronnie’s grave with Nancy channeling for their next convention and remove any doubt that they’re completely out of touch with reality?

I’m beginning to think November is going to be a big Tea Fail.

wrenchwench Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:26:59pm

re: #31 AJStrata

What about Rand Paul? If you cite O’Donnell as evidence for your case, Rand Paul is evidence against it.

Ojoe Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:26:59pm

re: #30 ralphieboy

Common sense would dictate regulation where it is needed, and freedom where it is not.

But this is not easy nor quickly explained in every case by a “sound bite.”

Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:27:45pm

re: #15 freetoken

“We’re talking about unidentified flying objects, as simple as that,” Salas told FoxNews.com. “They’re often known as UFOs, you could call them that,” he added.

Military intelligence at its finest.

Kronocide Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:28:21pm

re: #31 AJStrata

If your ‘theory’ was right then O’Donnell would be winning - she is not. Of all the candidates she is the one and only sinking.

Those two statements contradict each other in the context of the current debate.

Ojoe Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:29:02pm

re: #15 freetoken

I am glad that aliens are monitoring our nukes.

freetoken Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:29:09pm

re: #38 Cato the Elder

It’s still above the reading level of the Fox News adherent.

Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:29:40pm

re: #31 AJStrata

Right — but you also believe climate change is a giant hoax perpetrated by evil scientists.

Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:29:58pm

re: #31 AJStrata

Charles,

There is a battle in the GOP between social cons and fiscal/libertarian cons - but I think you over estimate the social cons ascension. They look to me to be seriously descending in power. I have been to tea party events and it is a constitutional, small government movement.

yes, those classic loons like Hannity and Ingraham and Malkin are trying to take control of th movement - but it is not working. The outcry from the far right is actually good to see, since it identifies those who are the far right mirror image of the far left.

If your ‘theory’ was right then O’Donnell would be winning - she is not. Of all the candidates she is the one and only sinking. Also, to take control of the GOP the party needs to win. They are not winning. Incumbents are losing (for good reason).

You can pretend along with Hannity the Tea Party is a social con movement - but it isn’t. Which is why The Pledge is much more a libertarian approach and not the usual GOP-Con stuff:

[Link: strata-sphere.com…]

Cheers, AJStrata

Right. That’s why most GOP members are Christians and wear it on their sleeves and all of them are creationists. All of the Tea Party candidate candidates also utilize a template and they by and large all read like a bunch of Bible Thumpers. Regardless, no, they are not taking over because they’re already in control of the GOP.

Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:30:49pm

re: #31 AJStrata

I have been to tea party events and it is a constitutional, small government movement.

Riiight.

freetoken Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:30:50pm

The Sarah continues…

“So, yes, those rationing “death panels” are there, …”

She absolutely will have the last word on this one.

Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:31:11pm

re: #37 Ojoe

Common sense would dictate regulation where it is needed, and freedom where it is not.

But this is not easy nor quickly explained in every case by a “sound bite.”

Because there are vested interests who want to see no regulation at all, and they present a case that any governemtn interference is creeping socialism.

One could make the case that traffic lights are an unwarranted government infringement on our right of free travel.

And then remove the traffic lights. Things would work for a while, those with the biggest SUV’s would still get through the intesections, but at some point we would see gridlock, even ambulances and fire trucks would be able to get through, endangering public safety.

And then have get a traffic cop out to sort out traffic.

That is a metaphor for what happened to America’s financial industries. We took out the traffic lights, and then Obama had to come out an play traffic cop.

Ojoe Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:31:33pm

re: #43 Gus 802

and all of them are creationists.

Just to be scientific here, probably some are not creationists.

wrenchwench Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:32:15pm

re: #31 AJStrata

From your blog post:

The pledge (full text here) looks to be a good balance of where to redirect our collective focus. This collective focus has been precisely scoped to not go outside common ground where consensus cannot be won with the broad middle of America. Its stays out of the fringes. But more than that, the pledge’s underlying premise is small, nonintrusive government. That libertarian streak throughout is why it holds together.

How do you square that with their stated desire to make the Hyde Amendment law? And what the hell is a “collective focus”?

darthstar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:32:39pm

re: #31 AJStrata

So far, anti-incumbent fever has been mostly limited to Republican incumbents…I think the GOP didn’t think it was important to have the media say “anti-Democratic-incumbent fever” every time they opened their mouths, and are now regretting it.

As far as teabaggers go, O’Donnell is a serial candidate, and one that the people of Delaware have rejected twice before, and will again. Just because 2% of Republicans showed up at the polls and voted for her in the primary doesn’t mean she’ll win the general. Same goes for Angle in Nevada (70,000 votes out of 1 million registered Republicans), and Buck in Utah (3500 votes in a delegate meeting). Even Miller in Alaska only won by 2000 votes, and more people are expected to vote in the general.

But the GOP is kissing the asses of these nutters, which means that they do, in fact, support them and their insane views.

Good luck with that.

Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:33:09pm

re: #47 Ojoe

Just to be scientific here, probably some are not creationists.

Let me know when you find a GOP member that explicitly says “I don’t believe in Creationism.”

Ojoe Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:33:47pm

re: #46 ralphieboy

It is sad to see that the real conservative view, that man is not automatically good, and needs wise governing, has gone by the boards in the confusion. Then as a consequence, there is unneeded suffering.

Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:33:58pm

re: #30 ralphieboy

There is no arguing with this doctrine, even in the light of the financial collapse which was brought about by a lack of regulation of the financial industry, and which required a government bailout to keep it from wrecking the entire nation’s economy

Privatize Social Security!11!

wrenchwench Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:35:04pm

re: #31 AJStrata

#42 Charles

Right —

re: #43 Gus 802

Right.

re: #44 Cato the Elder

Riiight.

You guys are good.

freetoken Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:35:11pm

The GOP was lost, but now they’re found:

Rep. Mike Pence on Republican Agenda: “We Lost Our Way” But Now “We’re Listening”

engineer cat Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:35:20pm

re: #31 AJStrata

I have been to tea party events and it is a constitutional, small government movement

i’m afraid that there are some of us who think that the tea party movement is a collection of very poorly informed and extremely gullible people who eagerly swallow lies made up by others to justify malicious behavior

Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:35:29pm

re: #31 AJStrata

Oh, look, an idiot.

You should either stop drinking or drink till you pass out.

Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:35:38pm

re: #53 wrenchwench

re: #31 AJStrata

re: #44 Cato the Elder

You guys are good.

Riiiiight. ;)

Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:35:42pm

re: #31 AJStrata

If your ‘theory’ was right then O’Donnell would be winning - she is not.

Cheers, AJStrata

She is the GOP candidate. She already won.

freetoken Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:36:00pm

re: #55 engineer dog

Good summary paragraph.

Ojoe Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:36:54pm

re: #58 Jeff In Ohio

Yes, but you could still talk about winning-losing regarding next November.

Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:37:04pm

re: #58 Jeff In Ohio

She is the GOP candidate. She already won.

She won and the marching orders are, “support her or else.” Even Karl Rove ran away with his tail between his legs.

Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:37:53pm

re: #60 Ojoe

Yes, but you could still talk about winning-losing regarding next November.

I thought she was talking about who represents the GOP.

Ojoe Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:38:38pm

re: #50 Gus 802

My dad for one, but then he passed away some time ago.

My dad was R, my Mom, D, and they stayed married till the end.

I guess it is different now.

engineer cat Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:38:48pm

re: #59 freetoken

thx!

i had Response Mode set to ‘polite’

Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:39:20pm

re: #63 Ojoe

My dad for one, but then he passed away some time ago.

My dad was R, my Mom, D, and they stayed married till the end.

I guess it is different now.

OK But I’m talking about politicians. Candidates or those that are in office.

Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:39:41pm

re: #51 Ojoe

It is sad to see that the real conservative view, that man is not automatically good, and needs wise governing, has gone by the boards in the confusion. Then as a consequence, there is unneeded suffering.

of course, we are inherently evil, that is why we need religious Christian values imposed on us to keep us moral.

wrenchwench Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:39:48pm

re: #64 engineer dog

thx!

i had Response Mode set to ‘polite’

As we all should. Most of the time…

darthstar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:40:20pm

re: #31 AJStrata

Charles, I have been to tea party events and it is a constitutional, small government movement.

Keep it up…you’re winning.

Ojoe Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:40:24pm

re: #62 Jeff In Ohio

Of all the candidates she is the one and only sinking.

That is present tense, but I will grant you that the whole post is not crystal clear.

Ojoe Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:40:51pm

re: #66 ralphieboy

We’re a mix. But who says that?

Political Atheist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:41:21pm

We have talked about the “civil war” in the GOP here. The Pledge looks like the battle lines as seen by the old guard. Who wins this fight remains to be seen. I hope the small gov/fisc cons can find a home, and real traction. Ditch the socons.

Political Atheist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:42:36pm

re: #58 Jeff In Ohio

She is an EIPO republican. Seen the polls?

Ojoe Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:42:39pm

re: #71 Rightwingconspirator

I hope the small gov/fisc cons can find a home, and real traction. Ditch the socons.

Are you trying to get me to say

Whi Whi

LOL !

Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:42:49pm

re: #61 Gus 802

She won and the marching orders are, “support her or else.” Even Karl Rove ran away with his tail between his legs.

She has as much chance taking the general in Delaware as Kucinich would in that ‘moderate’ state of Indiana. Which is none.

Still, the Tea Bagger, er I mean, the Party of Testicles resting On Chin is fighting for the soul of the GOP, defending the constitution against that Hitler loving, Mao buttfucking Obama while they plead for small government as long as it doesn’t touch their government run medical care.

Fuck the lot of them, let the Aqua Buddha sort them out.

Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:42:52pm

re: #70 Ojoe

We’re a mix. But who says that?

most christian evangelical fundamentalist preachers, the ones who insist that we need a covenant with the lord to keep our nation safe and intact

Kragar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:43:01pm

re: #71 Rightwingconspirator

We have talked about the “civil war” in the GOP here. The Pledge looks like the battle lines as seen by the old guard. Who wins this fight remains to be seen. I hope the small gov/fisc cons can find a home, and real traction. Ditch the socons.

Except the Pledge is nothing but recycled bullet points from the past and reworded Tea Party Slogans and the Evangelicals aren’t jumping on board.

Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:43:18pm

Hello. My name is John Doe and I am the Republican Senatorial candidate for the great state of North Dakota. On science, my position regarding evolution is that intelligent design and creationism is no science but a religious belief and should not be taught in science class. Evolution must be taught as the accepted science alongside the great works of Darwin. So come November flip that lever for this Republican and help keep science and Darwin in science class and creationism in the churches and homes were they belong.

Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:43:55pm

re: #77 Gus 802

Where not were. PIMF

Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:44:00pm

re: #69 Ojoe

WTF?

Ojoe Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:44:27pm

re: #65 Gus 802

Oh. Politicians. Regular standards don’t much apply.

Ojoe Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:45:35pm

re: #79 Jeff In Ohio

it says “is” sinking.

Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:45:56pm

re: #72 Rightwingconspirator

She is an EIPO republican. Seen the polls?

Eh?

Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:45:58pm

re: #79 Jeff In Ohio

WTF?

she is getting millions in funding poured in and some big media guns to try and turn things around for her, it is not a lost cause yet, despite Karl Rove’s reservations

Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:46:36pm

Tea Party = Jesus Christ in battle fatigues gunnin’ to save the fetuses from alien Feds.

Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:47:06pm

re: #84 Cato the Elder

Tea Party = Jesus Christ in battle fatigues gunnin’ to save the fetuses from alien Feds.

Hey. That’s like Jesus General.

Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:47:33pm

re: #81 Ojoe

it says “is” sinking.

No it says
“I thought she was talking about who represents the GOP.”

Political Atheist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:48:22pm

re: #73 Ojoe

Are you trying to get me to say

Wh

Whi Whi

LOL !

Okay but they are just not in any position to help as of yet. Too small. Good home, no traction yet. I wish them well.

Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:48:30pm

This caught my eye. From “The Pledge”:

America is an idea – an idea that free people can govern themselves, that government’s powers are derived from the consent of the governed, that each of us is endowed by their Creator with the unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Rights to life. Sort of reminds me of something: right-to-life.

garhighway Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:48:58pm

re: #31 AJStrata

If your ‘theory’ was right then O’Donnell would be winning - she is not.

She won the primary. That was the Republican intramural contest. I haven’t seen anyone here say that her views or the views of the Tea Party movement will prove to be persuasive to the electorate as a whole. In fact, the usual reaction is that the conventional Republican candidate is the more electable one, and that the GOP primary voters do the Democratic Party a favor by choosing the TP candidate. That has certainly been the consensus regarding Delaware and Nevada.

But that doesn’t mean the Tea Party isn’t winning the fight for the soul of the Republican Party. It looks to me like they are. If an obvious nut-job like O’Donnell can win, what else are we to think?

Kronocide Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:49:10pm

AJStrata posting on his blog that he got banned for disagreeing with Charles in 5…4…3…

deranged cat Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:49:18pm

re: #22 Killgore Trout

Alex Jones Says Gay People are Created by the Government

[Video]

the problem i have with all this “blame the government” stuff is that when the republicans or tea partiers DO gain control of the government, are they still gonna be complaining about “blame the government”? im gonna guess… no. aka hypocrites.

Political Atheist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:49:28pm

re: #82 Jeff In Ohio

Eh?

Electable In Primary Only.

Oh BTW-Making a pinhole “lens” for my Canon SLR’s. Should be fun.

garhighway Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:49:38pm

re: #51 Ojoe

It is sad to see that the real conservative view, that man is not automatically good, and needs wise governing, has gone by the boards in the confusion.

40 years ago, maybe.

darthstar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:49:49pm

Nice comparison of the GOP Pledge to repeal health care reform and the Affordable Care Act

So, basically, the Republicans just want to do what the Democrats did, but they were to stubborn to support the first time, so they can get the credit for it. Idiots. They could have voted yes the first time around and campaigned on what they did for people rather than trying to shoot down the ideas they’re pushing.

Political Atheist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:51:41pm

re: #90 BigPapa

He’s still logged in.

Hey AJ, do you see a breakout for the old guard, and a stifling of the SoCons as likely?

Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:52:06pm

My pursuit of happiness involves taxing the bleeding shit out of for-profit televangelists.

Political Atheist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:53:14pm

re: #76 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Many of the points are timeless. Taxation and government limits are always fodder for plank campaigns. Taxation as an issue does not age, it continues.

Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:53:56pm

re: #51 Ojoe

Define “wise”.

Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:53:58pm

re: #92 Rightwingconspirator

Electable In Primary Only.

Oh BTW-Making a pinhole “lens” for my Canon SLR’s. Should be fun.

So GOP candidates come in two mutually exclusive varietes now: RINO and EIPO?

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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:54:08pm

Can’t the GOP do or say anything without sounding like they’re trying to pretend they’re men of the cloth? Half the time they sound like they’re at a Sunday go to meeting assembly using a great deal of pseudo theological verbiage and many time every other word is “God”. I want to vote for a politician and a secular one at that. I’m not voting for a priest, I’m voting for a Congressman or Senator.

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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:54:34pm

re: #92 Rightwingconspirator

Well that makes more sense then this
[Link: www.eipo.com.hk…]

Most of my pinhole stuff this summer left a lot to be desired. Having a hard time getting the contrast index to the point where it prints well on salted paper.

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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:56:52pm

re: #100 Gus 802

Can’t the GOP do or say anything without sounding like they’re trying to pretend they’re men of the cloth? Half the time they sound like they’re at a Sunday go to meeting assembly using a great deal of pseudo theological verbiage and many time every other word is “God”. I want to vote for a politician and a secular one at that. I’m not voting for a priest, I’m voting for a Congressman or Senator.

this a basic point of conservative doctrine: that America owes its unique and exceptional position in the world to a covenant with God
which we must return to or soon we will just be another bunch of godless socialists

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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:56:55pm

re: #100 Gus 802

If they’re not religious nuts, they’re these people (reposted from downstairs):

via Paul Krugman:

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
- Kung Fu Monkey

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Political Atheist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:57:33pm

re: #99 ralphieboy

Maybe. RINO is pretty any pro choice Republican, or (even worse as some would say) from California. EIPO is the primary winning loon who may well hand a mandate to the opponent. Not sure if anyone fits both descriptions out there.

At least there is no more talk of action figures to resolve the debt. LOL.
That would be the Dem EIPO, I trust.

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Sol Berdinowitz Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:59:16pm

re: #104 Rightwingconspirator

Maybe. RINO is pretty any pro choice Republican, or (even worse as some would say) from California. EIPO is the primary winning loon who may well hand a mandate to the opponent. Not sure if anyone fits both descriptions out there.

At least there is no more talk of action figures to resolve the debt. LOL.
That would be the Dem EIPO, I trust.

Alvin Green did not have a Tea Party equivalent backing him, it is still undlear where he is coming from, or where an unemployed man living at home with his parents came up with the $10,700 application fee

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Political Atheist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 2:59:53pm

re: #101 Jeff In Ohio

Well that makes more sense then this
[Link: www.eipo.com.hk…]

Most of my pinhole stuff this summer left a lot to be desired. Having a hard time getting the contrast index to the point where it prints well on salted paper.

LOL. Google finally shows a weak moment.

Digital pinhole may be a truly odd hybrid. I’m making the “lens” from a body cap, very thin sheet metal and a skylight filter over the top to keep dust out.

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HappyWarrior Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:02:14pm

Yeah I think the idea that social conservatives are losing their voice in the GOP is silly as well. See the Montana GOP actually proposing criminalizing homosexuality or the Palin standard candidates who are not just anti abortion but against abortion in every instance, or other states trying to mirror Arizona’s immigration law. Yes these candidates may be making noise out of their economic stances than they have in the past but it seems to me that the GOP has embraced more socially conservative candidates than they have in the past.

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Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:04:26pm

OK, we’re past 100 comments - how does everyone like the new look for the retweet button and counter at the top right of the front page posts? Matches the style used in the Pages, and takes up less screen real estate.

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darthstar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:05:42pm

So, the company I work for got bought by a much larger company recently. I found out today that I missed the ‘vested stock cash out’ by three days (my 1 year anniversary is tomorrow). The good news, though, is that my newly vested shares will convert over, and I can sell them at whatever price I want when I feel the need.

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deranged cat Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:06:00pm

re: #108 Charles

ooooo, i didnt even notice that. pretty awesome, after finally noticing it!

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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:06:51pm

re: #108 Charles

OK, we’re past 100 comments - how does everyone like the new look for the retweet button and counter at the top right of the front page posts? Matches the style used in the Pages, and takes up less screen real estate.

Looks good to me.

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Political Atheist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:10:08pm

re: #32 Jadespring

I think I have rock solid proof that the government is utterly confident there are zero aliens from outer space anywhere near earth. My proof is the minuscule space program budget, and the glaring fact we have far more aircraft carriers than space shuttles. Even the Air Force space budget is very small compared to what we would see if an aliens so much as flew by and dropped off a love letter. There would be no treaty about banning weapons from orbital craft.

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webevintage Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:10:10pm

re: #88 Gus 802

This caught my eye. From “The Pledge”:

America is an idea – an idea that free people can govern themselves, that government’s powers are derived from the consent of the governed, that each of us is endowed by their Creator with the unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

Unless, of course, you are gay.

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deranged cat Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:11:59pm

heh, funny.
“In Their Own Words” (via Balloon Juice)

Youtube Video

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Kragar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:12:22pm

re: #112 Rightwingconspirator

I think I have rock solid proof that the government is utterly confident there are zero aliens from outer space anywhere near earth. My proof is the minuscule space program budget, and the glaring fact we have far more aircraft carriers than space shuttles. Even the Air Force space budget is very small compared to what we would see if an aliens so much as flew by and dropped off a love letter. There would be no treaty about banning weapons from orbital craft.

Unless of course NASA and the Airforce were in on it.
/

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Political Atheist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:12:52pm

re: #113 webevintage

And that is how you turn that platform into a plus for say the Log Cabins. “All men are created equal” in the end finally did buttress the emancipation and voting acts. Big fight to be sure but one worth having within and without the GOP.

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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:13:11pm

re: #113 webevintage

Unless, of course, you are gay.

This is a hoot:

We pledge to honor families, traditional marriage, life, and the private and faith-based organizations that form the core of our American values.

You know. Traditional marriage used to mean not being able to get divorced for many traditions.

Where’s Newt?

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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:13:22pm

re: #108 Charles

Efficient design is hardly noticed. I hardly noticed. That was a compliment.

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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:13:27pm

re: #34 freetoken

Does the new Manifesto mention Death Panels? Since The Sarah reignited that claim today by typing this:

How can we trust the GOP if they don’t pledge to keep us from the death panels?

I have volunteered to serve on my neighborhood death panel. I have a list.

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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:13:48pm

My quote function is acting funny. Hmmm.

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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:15:01pm

re: #113 webevintage

Unless, of course, you are gay.

According to Alex Jones and Rand Paul, if we had small government, teh gays would be much smaller.

Hey, I’m in winging mode.

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Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:15:37pm

GOP: “Life, liberty and the pursuit of a penis.”

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webevintage Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:15:42pm

re: #117 Gus 802

Where’s Newt?

Remember Newt says that it does not matter how he lives only that people listen to what he says…and he is probably right.
Bastard.

I am in a ranty, to hell with everyone day, the Democrats have pissed me off and I haz a sad.

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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:17:23pm

that each of us is endowed by their Creator with the unalienable rights to life, liberty, and an inability to orgasm which we make up for by telling other people what they can and can not do with their bodies and lovers.

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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:17:32pm

re: #121 Jeff In Ohio

Unless, of course, you are gay.

According to Alex Jones and Rand Paul, if we had small government, teh gays would be much smaller.

Hey, I’m in winging mode.

I saw that. Didn’t actually listen to the idiot but it was some crazed rant by Jones that gays was a government conspiracy.

Sheesh.

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Decatur Deb Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:17:55pm

re: #123 webevintage

Remember Newt says that it does not matter how he lives only that people listen to what he says…and he is probably right.
Bastard.

I am in a ranty, to hell with everyone day, the Democrats have pissed me off and I haz a sad.

Chin up. The pain of routine disappointment dulls with age.

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goddamnedfrank Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:18:19pm

re: #123 webevintage

Remember Newt says that it does not matter how he lives only that people listen to what he says…and he is probably right.
Bastard.

He’s the only one who can say what he says, if only because anyone else would die laughing.

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darthstar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:18:21pm

re: #123 webevintage

Here, have a trollcat:

Image: why_yes_your_prius-e1281581407198.jpg

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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:18:56pm

re: #124 Jeff In Ohio

that each of us is endowed by their Creator with the unalienable rights to life, liberty, and an inability to orgasm which we make up for by telling other people what they can and can not do with their bodies and lovers.

Hey. Let’s not forget. We’re talking wingers here. It’s not just sex stuff it’s also what we can listen too, watch and many times read. An efficient fascist state will control the arts and media.

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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:19:04pm

re: #126 Decatur Deb

lol

Excellent summation of the Democratic party.

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webevintage Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:19:24pm

re: #126 Decatur Deb

Chin up. The pain of routine disappointment dulls with age.

I’m almost 50 I should be used to being disappointed in the Democrats by now.

PLUS it is the first day of fall people and it is 95 DEGREES today…..

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Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:19:41pm

re: #122 Cato the Elder

GOP: “Life, liberty and the pursuit of a penis.”

Of course, in another sense, so are the Dems.

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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:20:49pm

re: #127 goddamnedfrank

He’s the only one who can say what he says, if only because anyone else would die laughing.

Newt Gingrich: I’m This Big of a Douche

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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:20:59pm

re: #132 Cato the Elder

Of course, in another sense, so are the Dems.

Well. The pursuit of human genetalia is a common human endeavor.

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Political Atheist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:21:17pm

re: #132 Cato the Elder

I thought that was a search for testicles. At least that is what a great friend and strong liberal man tells me. LWC as it so happens.

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wrenchwench Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:21:31pm

re: #108 Charles

OK, we’re past 100 comments - how does everyone like the new look for the retweet button and counter at the top right of the front page posts? Matches the style used in the Pages, and takes up less screen real estate.

Me gusta mucho.

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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:21:35pm

re: #134 Gus 802

Well. The pursuit of human genetalia is a common human endeavor.

/

For some that includes animal.

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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:22:16pm

re: #131 webevintage

I’m almost 50 I should be used to being disappointed in the Democrats by now.

PLUS it is the first day of fall people and it is 95 DEGREES today…

On the positive side, they first of the fresh squeezed apple cider is hitting the farmers market. Oh yeah, baby. Apple season!

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darthstar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:22:18pm

re: #131 webevintage

I’m almost 50 I should be used to being disappointed in the Democrats by now.

PLUS it is the first day of fall people and it is 95 DEGREES today…

Here, have another:

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webevintage Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:23:32pm

re: #139 darthstar

Here, have another:

hahahahaha
All the cats in my house would have to wear that sign.

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Political Atheist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:23:32pm

re: #134 Gus 802

Well. The pursuit of human genetalia is a common human endeavor.

/

GenEtalia. :)
Combining Genes for a bigger penis.
New From Pfizer!
//

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webevintage Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:25:36pm

Be afraid, be very afraid…..

Youtube Video

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wrenchwench Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:26:03pm

re: #88 Gus 802

This caught my eye. From “The Pledge”:

Rights to life. Sort of reminds me of something: right-to-life.

It’s no accident, of course. I’ve noticed in a few places it looks like they’re using the Declaration of Independence to justify an anti-abortion position.

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Political Atheist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:26:51pm

re: #143 wrenchwench

It’s no accident, of course. I’ve noticed in a few places it looks like they’re using the Declaration of Independence to justify an anti-abortion position.

And for the death penalty. Go figure.

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Kragar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:27:00pm

re: #143 wrenchwench

It’s no accident, of course. I’ve noticed in a few places it looks like they’re using the Declaration of Independence to justify an anti-abortion position.

Bachmann used it in her speech at the VV summit

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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:28:06pm

re: #143 wrenchwench

It’s no accident, of course. I’ve noticed in a few places it looks like they’re using the Declaration of Independence to justify an anti-abortion position.

I didn’t think it was an accident either. You know. They could have done without that preamble “sugary” gobbledygook and it probably would have attracted more independents. But no, it had to be another sermon.

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deranged cat Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:28:54pm

The GOP Pledge as a World Cloud (via FireDogLake)
Image: Picture-1.png

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Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:30:20pm

What is Teabaggery?

Youtube Video

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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:33:37pm

re: #147 deranged cat

The GOP Pledge as a World Cloud (via FireDogLake)
Image: Picture-1.png

Smaller government fail.

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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:34:16pm

re: #142 webevintage

Are those the Young Guns behind Boner? Hey Eric, how’s that National Council for a New America going?

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Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:37:01pm

Gus 802 picking up some Twitter clicks for his latest Page:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

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Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:37:57pm

KT’s post on Jim Russell got a lot of Twitter clicks too:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

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Kragar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:38:39pm

My association with teabaggery was inadvertant and ended when she said, “If we’re going to do this, I’ve got to be on top.”

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Liberal Classic Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:38:57pm

re: #31 AJStrata

You can pretend along with Hannity the Tea Party is a social con movement - but it isn’t. Which is why The Pledge is much more a libertarian approach and not the usual GOP-Con stuff:

Are you kidding me? The GOP rarely refers to liberty and freedom any context other than religiousness.

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fizzlogic Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:42:27pm

The provision I like the most is they’re going to repeal the recession. Somehow all government revenue that was constricted out of the economy due to the recession will magically come back putting the budget back into ‘08’s flush level. All I can say is praise Jesus and praise fetus worshipping.

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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:42:40pm

re: #151 Charles

Gus 802 picking up some Twitter clicks for his latest Page:

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

Thanks. I try and Tweet stuff as much as possible.

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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:45:38pm

Glenn Beck Rally Goers: Do We Look Racist? TBS

Youtube Video

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Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:46:05pm

Bill Hicks on Redneck Aliens. Or Alien Rednecks.

Whatever. Just watch.

Youtube Video

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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:46:52pm

Glenn Beck Rally: The Bibletution & other Civics lessons- TBS

Youtube Video

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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:50:44pm

re: #160 G’day Mate

G’bye Mate

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wrenchwench Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:51:56pm

re: #160 G’day Mate

I don’t know what happened to it.

It must have suffered from a lack of help from you, Mr. 21 comments since 2007.

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Bubblehead II Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:52:46pm

re: #160 G’day Mate

We evolved. Apparently you didn’t.

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b_sharp Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:53:22pm

re: #160 G’day Mate

Was hoping to see a post about the deranged troofer comments from the Iranian president at the UN overnight.

There used to be a really good site that did a lot of good work shining a light on the that sort of thing.

It also used to expose other useful idiots.

You know Hamas poisoning the minds of kids with their TV shows, Cindy Sheehan being Cindy Sheehan, Code Pink, the terrorist Ayers suckling at the public teat while trampling on your flag, raving posts at Daily Kos and Huffington Post, DNC and GOP troofers, the extreme left crazies that would pop up on the Obama for President web site, CAIR shilling for Islamofacism funded by a misogynist regime, etc.etc.

I don’t know what happened to it.

It came to its senses and started dealing with reality.

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Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:53:53pm

Any smokers here tonight?

Youtube Video

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Liberal Classic Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:54:57pm

re: #160 G’day Mate

The great pendulum of craziness has swung to the right. Just wait for half a period. It will be back on the left again eventually.

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wrenchwench Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:56:09pm

I’ve never seen anyone lament the lack of Cindy Sheehan posts before. Wingnut is wingnutty.

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William Barnett-Lewis Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:56:11pm

re: #92 Rightwingconspirator

Oh BTW-Making a pinhole “lens” for my Canon SLR’s. Should be fun.

They are. I’ve had better results with FD than with EF but it’ll be fun to see what you do.

I got back the front standard to my Crown Graphic today. Local machinist did some mods to it to give me proper tilts & swings. Going to have to get out the 1943 127/4.7 Ektar tomorrow & test it out.

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Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:56:36pm

re: #160 G’day Mate

Now, the crazeez cum from Jeebus, and you spread your buttcheeks and welcome them in?

I wish you joy of that.

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Surabaya Stew Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:56:41pm

re: #160 G’day Mate

Some of these things you listed are still real, but most of them are either imaginary, highly exaggerated, or just not an issue anymore.

So please, get with it.

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HoosierHoops Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:57:21pm

re: #160 G’day Mate

In 3 years and 21 comments you have contributed zip here..Who the hell are you to judge? What special insight have you to offer? See you again in 3 months if ever again…

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:58:05pm

re: #160 G’day Mate

Was hoping to see a post about the deranged troofer comments from the Iranian president at the UN overnight.

There used to be a really good site that did a lot of good work shining a light on the that sort of thing.

It also used to expose other useful idiots.

You know Hamas poisoning the minds of kids with their TV shows, Cindy Sheehan being Cindy Sheehan, Code Pink, the terrorist Ayers suckling at the public teat while trampling on your flag, raving posts at Daily Kos and Huffington Post, DNC and GOP troofers, the extreme left crazies that would pop up on the Obama for President web site, CAIR shilling for Islamofacism funded by a misogynist regime, etc.etc.

I don’t know what happened to it.

hahahahahahaha oh man, you gotta stick around

we don’t have enough angry kooks posting here anymore

come stay a while, put your feet up, maybe you’d like a drink?

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Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:58:27pm

re: #164 b_sharp

It came to its senses and started dealing with reality.

Bullshit.

Reality changed.

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deadletterboy Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:58:42pm

OT: But is anyone else having a lot of pop-ups on the site today? I’ve never had any before.

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Kragar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:59:07pm

It was a drive by folks, he took his dump and left.

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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 3:59:20pm

re: #160 G’day Mate

I told Ayers to get off my fucking flag and like the pussy he was, he got Cindy and Code Pink to come over and kick my dog.

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WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.] Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:00:13pm

re: #175 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It was a drive by folks, he took his dump and left.

WILSON!!!
COME BACK

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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:00:21pm

re: #175 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

It was a drive by folks, he took his dump and left.

Why can’t people shit in their own countries?

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Jadespring Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:00:24pm

re: #160 G’day Mate

Hey I know exactly how you feel.
I came here yesterday hoping to see a post about Tinkerbell finally getting her due and getting a star on the walk of fame.

Yet, zip, nadda….

So disappointing…

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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:00:55pm

re: #179 Jadespring

She’s dead Peter.

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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:01:40pm

re: #177 WindUpBird

WILSON!!!
COME BACK

Image: castaway533.jpg

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garhighway Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:02:05pm

re: #160 G’day Mate

It also used to expose other useful idiots.

Don’t you think O’Donnell is an idiot?

Or is she insufficiently useful?

Please: share.

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Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:02:36pm

re: #167 wrenchwench

I’ve never seen anyone lament the lack of Cindy Sheehan posts before. Wingnut is wingnutty.

And I just had a post featuring Cindy Sheehan too.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

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wrenchwench Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:04:05pm

re: #183 Charles

And I just had a post featuring Cindy Sheehan too.

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com…]

There’s just no pleasing ‘em.

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Kragar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:04:28pm

re: #177 WindUpBird

WILSON!!!
COME BACK

More of a;

“THERE’S ANOTHER FLAMING BAG ON THE PORCH, MARTHA!”
“Don’t put it out with your boot, Stan!”
“DON’T TELL ME MY BUSINESS DEVIL WOMAN!”
**STOMP STOMP**
/sniffs
“ITS POOP AGAIN!”

moment

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Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:05:13pm

Dick Cheney iz deturmined 2 outlive Cindy Sheehan.

Bets r opin.

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HappyWarrior Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:05:14pm

re: #185 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

More of a;

“THERE’S ANOTHER FLAMING BAG ON THE PORCH, MARTHA!”
“Don’t put it out with your boot, Stan!”
“DON’T TELL ME MY BUSINESS DEVIL WOMAN!”
**STOMP STOMP**
/sniffs
“ITS POOP AGAIN!”

moment

Haha old man Clemens called the shit, poo.

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Kragar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:05:51pm

re: #187 HappyWarrior

Haha old man Clemens called the shit, poo.

This is the best night of our lives!

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Charles Johnson Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:06:58pm

We have a sudden influx of socks.

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Liberal Classic Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:07:42pm

re: #189 Charles

We have a sudden influx of socks.

Is that like a murder of crows?

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Kragar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:09:07pm

re: #190 Liberal Classic

Is that like a murder of crows?

The proper term is a dryer of socks, I do believe.

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Jeff In Ohio Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:09:59pm

William Conrad defends Meg Whitman against a scurrilous attack.

[Link: cnn.com…]

Whitman, a Republican and the former CEO of eBay, was finishing her remarks when a man sitting in the front row stood up and began shouting.
“What are you hiding?” he yelled. “You’re looking like Arnold [Schwarzenegger] in a dress.”

Ouch, that;s got to hurt her feelings.

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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:10:15pm

Craziness.

4 dead in West Seattle including the shooter who was a 61 year old woman. Reports say she may have been mentally ill. Three others injured.

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Bubblehead II Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:14:18pm

BBIAW.

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Kronocide Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:21:01pm

re: #167 wrenchwench

I’ve never seen anyone lament the lack of Cindy Sheehan posts before. Wingnut is wingnutty.

I lament the good ol days when we could make fun of her special case of ass hattery. This difference is that Sheehan and Co really were fringe with an occasional smattering of idiocy from one of the few kooky leftist CongressCritters, of which I could count on one hand. Serious concern, no.

Today we have the level of crazy but the amount of people and levels of power are much greater. Though of differing nuances O’Donnell is in the realm of Sheehan idiocy, and she’s running for a munch more powerful office than Kucinich. There’s more like her, on a much larger scale, feeding off simple populist angst fed by racism and religious fervor. I keep hoping it will crest and boil over but it is like the Energizer bunny, it just keeps going.

I wish we could get back to the simple days of ridiculing Sheehan, Luap, and Kucinich, even my fave Code Pink. Today’s right lerching asshattery is much more concerning to me as a conservative.

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Gus Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:30:15pm

Must. Nap. BBL

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lostlakehiker Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:31:06pm

re: #12 elizajane

Focus on substantive issues facing America?

You mean like the pledge to cut spending “with commonsense exceptions for seniors and soldiers”? Like no cutting entitlements and defense spending?

Oh, we’re going to balance the budget by getting rid of NPR and the NEH, right?

You can’t balance the budget by cutting military spending while still fighting. You’ll just end up paying less for ammo but more on funerals. If there is to be a military spending cut, it has to come in connection with a scaling back of foreign policy objectives.

You can make some real headway by cutting the growth in entitlements for seniors. The current formula adjusts both for inflation and for overall economic growth, with the idea being that seniors would hold their own in relative terms compared to today’s workers. But if we limit ourselves to preserving their access to a certain modest basket of goods and services, by providing however much money that takes once inflation is factored in, we can save a lot.

Seniors have reduced earning power, true, but they’ve had all those years to build up savings. Young people today have it rougher than seniors, and there’s no escaping the reality that somebody won’t get something they’d like from the government.

Another group that has to take a hit is public unionized workers. They’ve got more job security, more pay, and less in the way of skills than comparable private sector workers. Economic justice does not consist in further enriching the secure and powerful.

Those with high incomes are going to have to pay more taxes. The social contract can stand the tension if they know that their taxes are going to paying down the deficit, rather than just running up a metaphorical bar tab for binge spending on a scale that no amount of taxes could actually pay it off.

Lots of pain has to be faced and got through. Avoiding it altogether just isn’t in the cards.

Oh, and AGW is another instance of the same story. We gotta do something, and the longer we wait, the tougher the job gets.

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Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:32:15pm

C’mon, Lizards! Is a ci-devant tool even worth a downding?

Only moonbats spend themselves so unwisely.

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Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:35:27pm

re: #197 lostlakehiker

Fuck old people, more bombs!

That is what you’re saying, no?

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darthstar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:35:51pm

Rand Paul has a message for Seniors on Medicare:

“You want to have more participation by the person who’s receiving the entitlement,” Paul replied. “By that I mean that they need to be more involved with some sort of economic transaction every time they use their entitlement, and that means they have to bear more of the burden.”

Thanks, Rand!

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Kronocide Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:39:58pm

re: #198 Cato the Elder

C’mon, Lizards! Is a ci-devant tool even worth a downding?.

Uh…. I usually ‘get’ you Cato but that one lost me. Can you re-fudiate?

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Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:40:31pm

GOP: “Fuck old people, fetuses are cheaper. (Until they pop out of the hole. Then they’re afterbirth.)”

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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:41:35pm

re: #201 BigPapa

Uh… I usually ‘get’ you Cato but that one lost me. Can you re-fudiate?

French noble dipshits who longed for the old days of the pre-Revolution.
Or something.

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What, me worry? Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:48:05pm

re: #197 lostlakehiker

Take from those who can least afford it? Boo Hiss.

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Varek Raith Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:48:54pm

re: #204 marjoriemoon

Take from those who can least afford it? Boo Hiss.

Typical GOP tactic.
Kicking people while they’re down.

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b_sharp Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:50:25pm

re: #204 marjoriemoon

Take from those who can least afford it? Boo Hiss.

But old people are rich doncha know.

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Killgore Trout Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:52:53pm

More fun with Texas education….

Texas AG files legal challenge in effort to claim federal education funds

The State of Texas filed a legal challenge against the U.S. Department of Education on Thursday in an attempt to secure $830 million in education funds entangled in a politically-charged dispute between Texas and Washington.

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laZardo Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:55:40pm

re: #205 Varek Raith

Typical ~~GOP~~ conservative tactic.
Kicking people while they’re down.

Also good morning.

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Cato the Elder Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:55:53pm

GOP: “What use are unrich old people? They can’t hold guns or fly planes. And they can’t spawn fetuses that can. And they can’t even die and leave money to gun-wielding fetuses to protect Murka and Cheney and the Carlyle Group from brown fetuses. Fuck ‘em.”

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darthstar Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:58:25pm

re: #209 Cato the Elder

GOP: “What use are unrich old people? They can’t hold guns or fly planes. And they can’t spawn fetuses that can. And they can’t even die and leave money to gun-wielding fetuses to protect Murka and Cheney and the Carlyle Group from brown fetuses. Fuck ‘em.”

Get off my spawn!

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RadicalModerate Thu, Sep 23, 2010 4:59:20pm

Is anyone else getting zedo related popups when browsing LGF as of late? In the past 2 hrs one of the ad-feeds seems to have the java script referring that adware site imbedded in it, and I’ve had to turn on adblock for LGF because of it. Checked and cleaned my browser cache and cookie history, and I’m browsing on a Linux (Ubuntu) box so its not a registry/system file issue that zedo’s been known for.

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Political Atheist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 5:04:10pm

re: #211 RadicalModerate

Is anyone else getting zedo related popups when browsing LGF as of late? In the past 2 hrs one of the ad-feeds seems to have the java script referring that adware site imbedded in it, and I’ve had to turn on adblock for LGF because of it. Checked and cleaned my browser cache and cookie history, and I’m browsing on a Linux (Ubuntu) box so its not a registry/system file issue that zedo’s been known for.

Not since I subscribed. Well, not since that killed all the ads. $10 a month.

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What, me worry? Thu, Sep 23, 2010 5:04:15pm

re: #206 b_sharp

But old people are rich doncha know.

And they call liberals elitists.

If you manage to save $500,000 at retirement, you haven’t saved much. One illness can wipe that out in a couple years. If you’re lucky, SS gives you $1200/mo for your expenses. If you’re not lucky, that can be as little as $500. Where are they gonna cut from?

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sattv4u2 Thu, Sep 23, 2010 5:06:33pm

re: #213 marjoriemoon

If you’re lucky, SS gives you $1200/mo

Isn’t that nice of them, seeing that it is, after all, you’re money that you’ve been paying in for decades!

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Stan the Demanded Plan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 5:07:17pm

re: #94 darthstar

Nice comparison of the GOP Pledge to repeal health care reform and the Affordable Care Act

So, basically, the Republicans just want to do what the Democrats did, but they were to stubborn to support the first time, so they can get the credit for it. Idiots. They could have voted yes the first time around and campaigned on what they did for people rather than trying to shoot down the ideas they’re pushing.

Exactly what the author of this GOP thingy said today on NPR ATC. Repeal it all, then we’ll RE-PASS the items that the Republican’s put forth.

They never claimed this items, it was the Dems reminding them that they were their ideas, but they never claimed them. (party of no)

“We will repeal the health care and then we will replace it,” McCarthy later told NPR’s Robert Siegel. “We say why don’t we do tort reform? That’s the No. 1 factor when it comes to the rising cost of health care.”

McCarthy et al = joke

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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Sep 23, 2010 5:09:39pm

re: #200 darthstar

Rand Paul has a message for Seniors on Medicare:

Thanks, Rand!

Although, I do want us to at least LOOK at whether people who don’t NEED Medicare, should be receiving it. Say, Warren Buffet, a certain level wealth… I don’t know how much that would save, but we should look at it.

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HoosierHoops Thu, Sep 23, 2010 5:11:34pm

re: #216 Floral Giraffe

Hi You!

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What, me worry? Thu, Sep 23, 2010 5:12:08pm

re: #214 sattv4u2

If you’re lucky, SS gives you $1200/mo

Isn’t that nice of them, seeing that it is, after all, you’re money that you’ve been paying in for decades!

That’s right. It’s your money and if you’re middle-aged currently, you may not even end up with that!

I’ve watched my elderly relatives suffer through illness. Some were wealthy, some were not. Some were middle class who lost everything either through divorce, widow(ed) or lost businesses. Some had to rely on social security and family help alone.

My mother had to go back to work at 70 and worked until 74. Actually, she worked for an ombudsman who would get grants for the elderly for things like fixing plumbing, bad roofs. You pay off your house after 30 years, and then you have a whole new set of expensive problems.

I live to put money to my retirement. It really freaks me out.

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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Sep 23, 2010 5:12:33pm

re: #217 HoosierHoops

Hi You!

Back at you!
*WAVES*

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Political Atheist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 5:12:42pm

re: #216 Floral Giraffe

Although, I do want us to at least LOOK at whether people who don’t NEED Medicare, should be receiving it. Say, Warren Buffet, a certain level wealth… I don’t know how much that would save, but we should look at it.

“Means Testing” is the phrase I think. I have heard that about S/S too. Heard this on the street- “trouble with todays’ millionaires is they used to be billionaires”.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 23, 2010 5:12:55pm

WEll the good news is that as we look at the polls, the average non insane American seems to be waking up to the insanity of the GOP and the Tea bags.

It is starting to look like we might hold the house and almost certainly hold the senate.

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laZardo Thu, Sep 23, 2010 5:13:32pm

re: #218 marjoriemoon

And that’s if your parents don’t borrow most of THAT to ensure they don’t STARVE before their retirement.

The value of saving!

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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Sep 23, 2010 5:14:27pm

re: #221 LudwigVanQuixote

*smooch*
It’s not over until the fat lady sings!
And the votes are counted, and the court challenges are finalized!

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 23, 2010 5:14:49pm

It will be interesting to see what happens to the GOP when their uber right wing darlings get pasted. Most likely, the true believers will only retrench themselves and get even more whacko. With luck, it will split the right into two useless parties.

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Stan the Demanded Plan Thu, Sep 23, 2010 5:16:38pm

re: #211 RadicalModerate

Is anyone else getting zedo related popups when browsing LGF as of late? In the past 2 hrs one of the ad-feeds seems to have the java script referring that adware site imbedded in it, and I’ve had to turn on adblock for LGF because of it. Checked and cleaned my browser cache and cookie history, and I’m browsing on a Linux (Ubuntu) box so its not a registry/system file issue that zedo’s been known for.

YES. Google chrome. No idea.

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Political Atheist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 5:17:48pm

re: #224 LudwigVanQuixote

The age of the EIPO

Electable In Primary Only.

LOL.

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laZardo Thu, Sep 23, 2010 5:18:01pm

re: #224 LudwigVanQuixote

It will be interesting to see what happens to the GOP when their uber right wing darlings get pasted. Most likely, the true believers will only retrench themselves and get even more whacko. With luck, it will split the right into two useless parties.

And perhaps enable a new progressive party to take over in the gap to prevent one-party rule.

/a man can dream

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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Sep 23, 2010 5:18:32pm

re: #225 Stanley Sea

YES. Google chrome. No idea.

Yes, Firefox, WITH pop ups blocked.
Techtard, here.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 23, 2010 5:18:53pm

re: #223 Floral Giraffe

*smooch*
It’s not over until the fat lady sings!
And the votes are counted, and the court challenges are finalized!

True that. However, I can not overstate the importance of getting rid of them. From a climate standpoint, the clock is seriously starting to tick. We simply do not have another two or four or six years to waste. It is not that I see the Dems rushing in to save the day, but at the very least, their minds do not start off closed to the science in general.

Honestly, if the GOP were all over the science and taking action for fossil fuel independence, this would not be an issue. This should not be a partisan issue any more than if the Earth is not flat. Unfortunately though, we are dealing with a party of semi-literate morons.

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Mad Prophet Ludwig Thu, Sep 23, 2010 5:19:38pm

re: #226 Rightwingconspirator

The age of the EIPO

Electable In Primary Only.

LOL.

re: #227 laZardo

And perhaps enable a new progressive party to take over in the gap to prevent one-party rule.

/a man can dream

My prayers as well as dreams.

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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Sep 23, 2010 5:20:44pm

re: #226 Rightwingconspirator

The age of the EIPO

Electable In Primary Only.

LOL.

Sanchez vs. Tran is shaping up to be an interesting race!

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What, me worry? Thu, Sep 23, 2010 5:21:02pm

re: #222 laZardo

And that’s if your parents don’t borrow most of THAT to ensure they don’t STARVE before their retirement.

The value of saving!

It’s just unconscionable to me to think of messing with Medicare or social security. The elderly have the least chance of getting income. At least if you become ill at age 30, you have a better chance of recovery and getting back into the workforce.

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Dancing along the light of day Thu, Sep 23, 2010 5:23:55pm

BBL.
MUST continue revolting research project

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Political Atheist Thu, Sep 23, 2010 5:25:07pm

re: #231 Floral Giraffe

Karma baby!

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palomino Thu, Sep 23, 2010 5:59:40pm

re: #165 Cato the Elder

Any smokers here tonight?

[Video]

Yeah, I still smoke. So I loved the way Hicks turned the tables on his audience, making them agree with him that smoking is gross…then pulling out a pack and lighting up. He was a brilliant comic—died WAY too soon.

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Lidane Thu, Sep 23, 2010 7:00:59pm

re: #12 elizajane

Focus on substantive issues facing America?

You mean like the pledge to cut spending “with commonsense exceptions for seniors and soldiers”? Like no cutting entitlements and defense spending?

Is that seriously part of this ridiculous Pledge? ROFL. What the hell is the point, then? Who is actually stupid enough to fall for that garbage?

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ClaudeMonet Thu, Sep 23, 2010 11:45:14pm

re: #168 wlewisiii

They are. I’ve had better results with FD than with EF but it’ll be fun to see what you do.

I got back the front standard to my Crown Graphic today. Local machinist did some mods to it to give me proper tilts & swings. Going to have to get out the 1943 127/4.7 Ektar tomorrow & test it out.

It’s been quite a while since I’ve seen a Crown Graphic reference. Years ago, I did some schlepping for a couple of photographers, hoping some of their skill would rub off. Good times, good experience, didn’t make a photographer out of me.

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