It’s when people begin using their religion as just a way of getting power over other people that scares me. I’m afraid that’s what’s going on in a lot of cases right now. When people deliberately tell lies, Creationism for instance, and pretend, “Oh, it’s not really religion”. I mean they know they’re lying, and yet they’re the religious people. There’s something wrong there.
— Octavia Butler
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SanFranciscoZionist Sat, Sep 25, 2010 10:25:58pm |
Octavia Butler was just an amazing writer. The Parable of the Sower is wonderful science fiction.
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Mostly sane, most of the time. Sat, Sep 25, 2010 10:32:07pm |
G’nite all.
The hard cold nature of science says that the human being that is Emily needs a set amount of sleep.
In my holodeck, I’m only going to need four hours a night, and I’ll only be half-asleep for all of those so I can enjoy them.
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Kragar Sat, Sep 25, 2010 10:34:11pm |
The power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one’s mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them….To tell deliberate lies while genuinely believing in them, to forget any fact that has become inconvenient, and then, when it becomes necessary again, to draw it back from oblivion for just so long as it is needed, to deny the existence of objective reality and all the while to take account of the reality which one denies — all this is indispensably necessary. Even in using the word doublethink it is necessary to exercise doublethink. For by using the word one admits that one is tampering with reality; by a fresh act of doublethink one erases this knowledge; and so on indefinitely, with the lie always one leap ahead of the truth
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freetoken Sat, Sep 25, 2010 10:40:35pm |
It’s when people begin using their religion as just a way of getting power over other people that scares me.
Heh, the local (San Diego county) GOP is full of those types - Politic’n for Jesus.
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Romantic Heretic Sat, Sep 25, 2010 10:41:55pm |
For a fair number of people, perhaps many, belief is not a system they use as a guideline to living a better life.
It’s an excuse to allow them to do what they want to do when they want to do it.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sat, Sep 25, 2010 10:44:44pm |
Why Hank and I will never get laid again, ever:
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prairiefire Sat, Sep 25, 2010 10:51:19pm |
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Kragar Sat, Sep 25, 2010 10:53:09pm |
re: #6 negativ
Why Hank and I will never get laid again, ever:
[Video]
“I’m not much of a dinner buyer!”
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Timmeh Sat, Sep 25, 2010 11:32:14pm |
Religion has always been a way to get power over other people.
That’s it’s primary function for those who set themselves up as clerics or holy men.
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prairiefire Sat, Sep 25, 2010 11:42:54pm |
re: #10 freetoken
As a nation, we have been blessed with Jazz.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:02:42am |
American schoolchildren are still taught the myth that the Pilgrims and Puritans came to America to seek freedom of religion and escape persecution.
They came here because they were not being allowed to impose their religion on others or to persecute them for disobeying their own interpretation of Scripture.
This spirit is still with us and has found a home in the modern GOP
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amrilusaguy Sun, Sep 26, 2010 2:49:18am |
This spirit is still with us and has found a home in the modern GOP
Why stop there it is also part of the democratic party as well
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sun, Sep 26, 2010 2:57:39am |
re: #19 amrilusaguy
Why stop there it is also part of the democratic party as well
Teach the Magical Balance Fairy!
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sun, Sep 26, 2010 3:27:29am |
Hey Matrix, care to explain which Democratic Party platform is based in religion? So that the spirit of this:
They came here because they were not being allowed to impose their religion on others or to persecute them for disobeying their own interpretation of Scripture.
Would be part of them?
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Sep 26, 2010 3:30:42am |
re: #19 amrilusaguy
Why stop there it is also part of the democratic party as well
These are not the guys who insist that Darwin is a “myth” or want to impose Creationism on the classrooms
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Winny Spencer Sun, Sep 26, 2010 4:20:50am |
I read “The Denial of Death” by Ernest Brecker over the last few weeks.
Now I’m doing my utmost to forget that I ever did. It plunged me into an existential depression unlike any I’ve ever experienced before.
And on top of it all, it’s Sunday. But this time of year is the most beautiful by far - leaves of every shade of yellow and red, crystal clear, cool air, and just enough sunlight to keep one from freezing. I think I’ll go for a walk later.
And good morning.
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boxhead Sun, Sep 26, 2010 4:23:33am |
“Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you’d have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.”Steven Weinberg
While I may not agree with the first sentence, the rest of the quote has merit.
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Taqyia2Me Sun, Sep 26, 2010 4:34:32am |
All this commentary on works-based theology so early in the morning, a Sunday morning, no less!
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 5:06:07am |
re: #21 Obdicut
Hey Matrix, care to explain which Democratic Party platform is based in religion? So that the spirit of this:
Their whole platform is an ode to the spririt of the great state. Even when shown that in real-life their religion, Pro-state, is a fraud and a failure they still continue to be bitter clingers of their faith. The cult like behavior is pretty disturbing.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 5:06:29am |
Morning All! Very, very quiet around here in the mornings anymore.
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Absalom, Absalom, Obdicut Sun, Sep 26, 2010 5:08:07am |
re: #26 RogueOne
Their whole platform is an ode to the spririt of the great state. Even when shown that in real-life their religion, Pro-state, is a fraud and a failure they still continue to be bitter clingers of their faith. The cult like behavior is pretty disturbing.
Nice and frothy.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 5:11:33am |
Speaking of cultists:
Public opinion stopped GM, says campaigner
The tide has turned globally against the introduction of genetically modified crops, Lord Melchett, the former director of Greenpeace and campaigner for organic farming and food, said yesterday.Fifteen years ago, many governments thought GM crops and food would become the norm, but it has not happened because of rising public resistance around the world, and it will not happen, he said.
“This is a redundant technology and many people in Europe may be unaware of the extent of the resistance to GM in places like India and China, because they swallow the GM industry line that it is supported all across the world,” he said. “I have to say that where we are now with GM leaves me feeling very optimistic.”
Some idiocy is more dangerous than others.
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rwdflynavy Sun, Sep 26, 2010 5:25:50am |
It’s when people begin using their religion as just a way of getting power over other people that scares me. I’m afraid that’s what’s going on in a lot of cases right now. When people deliberately tell lies, Creationism for instance, and pretend, “Oh, it’s not really religion”. I mean they know they’re lying, and yet they’re the religious people. There’s something wrong there.
If you just replace religion with government it is even scarier to me…
Morning all.
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rwdflynavy Sun, Sep 26, 2010 5:28:05am |
re: #32 RogueOne
Haven’t seen you in ages, how goes it?
Good Rogue. Very busy at work, so not much time to lgf there. That and 3 kids keeps me busy at home too! I’ve made a couple quick comments here and there…
How’s you?
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 5:33:38am |
re: #33 rwdflynavy
Good Rogue. Very busy at work, so not much time to lgf there. That and 3 kids keeps me busy at home too! I’ve made a couple quick comments here and there…
How’s you?
Busy, Busy. I started a different company and pared back to just a couple people. It means at times I’ll be swamped followed by, hopefully, plenty of free time to relax. I’m hoping I actually only have to work maybe 6 months a year.
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Johnny2Times Sun, Sep 26, 2010 5:36:42am |
re: #31 rwdflynavy
It’s when people begin using their religion as just a way of getting power over other people that scares me. I’m afraid that’s what’s going on in a lot of cases right now. When people deliberately tell lies, Creationism for instance, and pretend, “Oh, it’s not really religion”. I mean they know they’re lying, and yet they’re the religious people. There’s something wrong there.
If you just replace religion with government it is even scarier to me…
Morning all.
Amen (heh). Government control is a lot scarier than religious coercion.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 5:42:02am |
re: #35 Johnny2Times
Amen (heh). Government control is a lot scarier than religious coercion.
And the GOP does both. They use the Gov. to enforce their religious morality.
Scariest of them all.
Morning.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 5:43:48am |
What is the issue with all these republican primary losers deciding they’re going to stay in the races regardless of their chances of winning? Lazio lost because he ran a lousy campaign, time to move on sore loser.
Lazio sounding like he’s in it
politico.com
Lazio, who spent the final eight weeks of the GOP primary talking almost exclusively about the Ground Zero-area mosque, again chastised both major party candidates for not talking about “the major issue facing this state,” meaning the economy and the lack of jobs.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 5:44:24am |
re: #36 Varek Raith
And the GOP does both. They use the Gov. to enforce their religious morality.
Scariest of them all.Morning.
If that is the case, then why aren’t you in church this morning?
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rwdflynavy Sun, Sep 26, 2010 5:44:47am |
re: #38 RogueOne
If that is the case, then why aren’t you in church this morning?
I’m calling the cops right now!!!
//
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rwdflynavy Sun, Sep 26, 2010 5:46:36am |
re: #38 RogueOne
If that is the case, then why aren’t you in church this morning?
The Sith don’t believe in church. Speaking of church, I’ve got to get in the shower and get ready.
Today is my birthday (shameless plug for updings…)
Later Lizards
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 5:46:55am |
re: #39 rwdflynavy
I’m calling the cops right now!!!
//
You’re probably getting ready to leave for church aren’t you? You driving the government bus picking up the infidels this morning? Stop by and pick up varek and say “hey” to jesus for me.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 5:47:05am |
re: #38 RogueOne
If that is the case, then why aren’t you in church this morning?
See Texas State Board of Education. Using the Gov. to force rewrite history and limit non Christian stuff in textbooks.
See anti-gay marriage laws.
See intelligent design.
;)
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Ericus58 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 5:47:26am |
Good Morning folks.
Listening to BBC Business this early a.m. as I drove into work. Talking about Smart Grid technology and it’s application. The point was made that 2015 seems to be a tipping/decision point in Britain due to aging Nuclear plants going offline and a power generation gap. More dependence on natural gas, fossil fuel plants not being built and wind generation lagging.
I’ll have to read up if we have an issue down the road here in the U.S. but off the top of my skull I don’t think so.
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Wozza Matter? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 5:52:16am |
re: #43 Ericus58
Good Morning folks.
Listening to BBC Business this early a.m. as I drove into work. Talking about Smart Grid technology and it’s application. The point was made that 2015 seems to be a tipping/decision point in Britain due to aging Nuclear plants going offline and a power generation gap. More dependence on natural gas, fossil fuel plants not being built and wind generation lagging.
I’ll have to read up if we have an issue down the road here in the U.S. but off the top of my skull I don’t think so.
california has a power crisis right now…….
books.google.co.uk
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 5:52:35am |
re: #42 Varek Raith
See Texas State Board of Education. Using the Gov. to force rewrite history and limit non Christian stuff in textbooks.
See anti-gay marriage laws.
See intelligent design.
;)
anti-gay marriage laws are a bi-partisan problem, see ohio 2004 and prop 8 2008.
If I lived in TX I might be concerned. If I lived in a state where the schools were putting out kids who scored less than TX on SAT/ACT tests then I’d be even more concerned. And I’m never sure if I’m supposed to approve of the use of T. Jefferson quotes or not, it seems to go back and forth depending on the issue and the quote involved.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 5:54:27am |
re: #45 RogueOne
anti-gay marriage laws are a bi-partisan problem, see ohio 2004 and prop 8 2008.
If I lived in TX I might be concerned. If I lived in a state where the schools were putting out kids who scored less than TX on SAT/ACT tests then I’d be even more concerned. And I’m never sure if I’m supposed to approve of the use of T. Jefferson quotes or not, it seems to go back and forth depending on the issue and the quote involved.
True it is somewhat bipartisan. It’s still, however, forcing ones religious morality onto others.
As for the Texas SBOE, sorry, that’s is completely reprehensible what they are doing.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 5:55:17am |
re: #43 Ericus58
Good Morning folks.
Listening to BBC Business this early a.m. as I drove into work. Talking about Smart Grid technology and it’s application. The point was made that 2015 seems to be a tipping/decision point in Britain due to aging Nuclear plants going offline and a power generation gap. More dependence on natural gas, fossil fuel plants not being built and wind generation lagging.
I’ll have to read up if we have an issue down the road here in the U.S. but off the top of my skull I don’t think so.
Yes we do.
Recently Lilly here in Indpls went through a downsizing and quite a few of their engineers have ended up going to a couple of “green” companies in the area. One of the companies is working on a “green” grid and they’re receiving a ton of government money right now.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Sep 26, 2010 5:58:48am |
re: #45 RogueOne
If I lived in TX I might be concerned.
Publishers don’t publish eleventy-million Texas editions and then reset the presses for 800,000 Nebraska editions. When it comes to textbooks, as goes Texas (and California), so goes the nation.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 5:59:48am |
re: #48 RogueOne
The problem is seems is that if everything goes electric and our energy plants are wind/solar there isn’t anyway to really store that energy right now.
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Ericus58 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:01:05am |
Wow - I sure enjoyed the college games yesterday. They were worth the price of admission.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:01:48am |
re: #49 negativ
Publishers don’t publish eleventy-million Texas editions and then reset the presses for 800,000 Nebraska editions. When it comes to textbooks, as goes Texas (and California), so goes the nation.
Yeah. They do. We had this whole argument during the tx affair. Indiana textbooks, both history and english courses, are tilted towards Indiana history and I bet if you checked with your local high school you’ll probably find the same thing. This is 2010, it’s incredibly easy to make changes and publish anything you want.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:12:53am |
Good Morning America
How are you?
Don’t you know me..I’m your native Son
I’m the train they call the City of New Orleans
I’m be gone 500 miles before the day is done…
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:22:03am |
re: #52 RogueOne
Yeah. They do. We had this whole argument during the tx affair. Indiana textbooks, both history and english courses, are tilted towards Indiana history and I bet if you checked with your local high school you’ll probably find the same thing. This is 2010, it’s incredibly easy to make changes and publish anything you want.
Unwisely, I’ll take your word for it. Are you comfortable with citizens of one state being systematically taught a version of reality significantly different from what’s being taught to citizens of another state? And how about that [true] statement that it’s easy to make changes and publish whatever you want? That doesn’t bug you a little bit?
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BongCrodny Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:22:52am |
re: #52 RogueOne
Yeah. They do. We had this whole argument during the tx affair. Indiana textbooks, both history and english courses, are tilted towards Indiana history and I bet if you checked with your local high school you’ll probably find the same thing. This is 2010, it’s incredibly easy to make changes and publish anything you want.
It took me almost no time at all to find this:
Because the Texas textbook market is so large, books assigned to the state’s 4.7 million students often rocket to the top of the market, decreasing costs for other school districts and leading them to buy the same materials.
“The books that are altered to fit the standards become the bestselling books, and therefore within the next two years they’ll end up in other classrooms,” said Fritz Fischer, chairman of the National Council for History Education, a group devoted to history teaching at the pre-college level. “It’s not a partisan issue, it’s a good history issue.”
— Washington Post, March 18, 2010
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Johnny2Times Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:26:07am |
re: #45 RogueOne
anti-gay marriage laws are a bi-partisan problem, see ohio 2004 and prop 8 2008.
If I lived in TX I might be concerned. If I lived in a state where the schools were putting out kids who scored less than TX on SAT/ACT tests then I’d be even more concerned. And I’m never sure if I’m supposed to approve of the use of T. Jefferson quotes or not, it seems to go back and forth depending on the issue and the quote involved.
Exactly. Teaching kids religious fairy tales is offensive, but it’s a peripheral issue. The main thing people should be concerned about is overall quality of education.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:26:31am |
re: #55 negativ
I think it’s up to the people of that state. People continually make fun of Kansas and yet their kids are at the top of the ladder when it comes to test scores. If the scores in TX start plummeting we’ll know they really screwed up, until then it’s perfectly acceptable to make fun of them but I’m not sure why I should get overly worked up about it.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:28:32am |
re: #58 RogueOne
I think it’s up to the people of that state. People continually make fun of Kansas and yet their kids are at the top of the ladder when it comes to test scores. If the scores in TX start plummeting we’ll know they really screwed up, until then it’s perfectly acceptable to make fun of them but I’m not sure why I should get overly worked up about it.
I will make fun of those who LIE ABOUT HISTORY! Which is what the TSBOE is doing.
LYING ABOUT HISTORY.
State’s Rights, FEH!
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:29:15am |
re: #56 BongCrodny
It took me almost no time at all to find this:
— Washington Post, March 18, 2010
How is that any different than what I said? Schools are not limited in any way by the tx decisions. If your school district wants to save a couple bucks by focusing on TX history then maybe you should take that up with your school district. This isn’t 1970 anymore, it’s incredibly cheap and easy to edit and publish anything you like.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:29:52am |
re: #59 Varek Raith
I will make fun of those who LIE ABOUT HISTORY! Which is what the TSBOE is doing.
LYING ABOUT HISTORY.
State’s Rights, FEH!
I’m going to wait for your coffee to kick in.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:30:05am |
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HoosierHoops Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:32:12am |
re: #61 RogueOne
I’m going to wait for your coffee to kick in.
Good Morning Rogue…We have a Colts game at 4:15pm today.. And I have only a few days left in Indiana…
How are you?
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BongCrodny Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:34:20am |
re: #60 RogueOne
How is that any different than what I said? Schools are not limited in any way by the tx decisions. If your school district wants to save a couple bucks by focusing on TX history then maybe you should take that up with your school district. This isn’t 1970 anymore, it’s incredibly cheap and easy to edit and publish anything you like.
Negativ said at #49 that publishers don’t publish eleventy million Texas editions and then reset the presses for 800,000 Nebraska editions, and you said “Yeah. They do.”
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:34:37am |
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:37:04am |
re: #58 RogueOne
I think it’s up to the people of that state. People continually make fun of Kansas and yet their kids are at the top of the ladder when it comes to test scores. If the scores in TX start plummeting we’ll know they really screwed up, until then it’s perfectly acceptable to make fun of them but I’m not sure why I should get overly worked up about it.
You don’t see a problem comparing, as in your example, Texas and Kansas, when both states design their own “ladder”, scale, and system of measurement?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:40:53am |
re: #53 HoosierHoops
Good Morning America
How are you?
Don’t you know me..I’m your native Son
I’m the train they call the City of New Orleans
I’m be gone 500 miles before the day is done…
That train still runs from Chicago to New Orleans. My mother took it a few times when she was younger.
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Johnny2Times Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:41:13am |
re: #66 negativ
You don’t see a problem comparing, as in your example, Texas and Kansas, when both states design their own “ladder”, scale, and system of measurement?
Nah, that’s bullshit. There’s no practical difference even if each state has their own tweaks. It’s well established that kids in Kansas are doing very well—by any yardstick.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:41:38am |
re: #63 HoosierHoops
Good Morning Rogue…We have a Colts game at 4:15pm today.. And I have only a few days left in Indiana…
How are you?
Doing well, Your move is taking forever isn’t it? A game against Denver is usually a good day for colts fans, I’m looking forward to their typical blowout.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:42:23am |
re: #65 Varek Raith
AND I’M GOING TO TYPE IN ALL CAPS!
And I’m going to tell you to keep your voice down. I don’t like yelling.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:43:15am |
re: #70 Dark_Falcon
And I’m going to tell you to keep your voice down. I don’t like yelling.
Narc.
/
:)
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:45:18am |
re: #71 Varek Raith
Narc.
/
:)
Sorry, I have an anti-missile system. Your Narc pod was shot down. :D
/Battletech geekage
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:46:35am |
re: #66 negativ
You don’t see a problem comparing, as in your example, Texas and Kansas, when both states design their own “ladder”, scale, and system of measurement?
No, I’m strictly talking SAT/ACT scores. I know their ranking has more to do than just basic curriculum but I’m just making a point that sometimes perception doesn’t equal reality and the perception that bible-thumpers are illiterate morons isn’t quite accurate.
My personal stand is my personal stand doesn’t matter. I don’t live in TX and I don’t have kids in their schools.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:47:49am |
re: #69 RogueOne
Doing well, Your move is taking forever isn’t it? A game against Denver is usually a good day for colts fans, I’m looking forward to their typical blowout.
Yea..My stuff arrives in Oklahoma on Tuesday.. I won’t be there…One day this week I’m out of here but I need to resolve a few issues here first…
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:50:32am |
re: #64 BongCrodny
Negativ said at #49 that publishers don’t publish eleventy million Texas editions and then reset the presses for 800,000 Nebraska editions, and you said “Yeah. They do.”
and his link didn’t say anything other than some schools might use tx books because they’re cheaper not because they have to, and yet they provided not one example of a school district that does.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:50:52am |
The NY Post ripped tea party candidate Carl paladino “new one” today.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:53:45am |
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:53:55am |
re: #59 Varek Raith
I will make fun of those who LIE ABOUT HISTORY! Which is what the TSBOE is doing.
LYING ABOUT HISTORY.
State’s Rights, FEH!
I did all my time in Texas public school. Every damned year from about 5th grade onward, history class started with the European explorers of the New World and ended with Reconstruction after the civil war. We were drilled in names, places, and dates, and absolutely no context or analysis whatsoever.
“Science” consisted of memorizing Newton’s three laws; being able to name protons, electrons, and neutrons; memorizing the atomic number of a handful of elements; and vaguely describing the reproductive mechanism of flowers.
It was the same fucking classes every year, just with ever-increasing loads of busy work.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:54:29am |
re: #76 _RememberTonyC
The NY Post ripped tea party candidate Carl paladino “new one” today.
and Politico says Lazio might be staying in the race. I don’t think this could have worked out any better for Cuomo.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 6:55:53am |
re: #78 negativ
That’s a much bigger problem IMHO. Part of the unintended consequences of federal spending. We’ve discovered we can make kids dumber and smarter all at the same time.
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Linden Arden Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:01:15am |
“Wise men consider religion to be false, the common man true, and the politicians useful”
Seneca the Younger (c. 3 BC – 65 AD)
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:01:31am |
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:03:02am |
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Johnny2Times Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:03:48am |
re: #78 negativ
I did all my time in Texas public school. Every damned year from about 5th grade onward, history class started with the European explorers of the New World and ended with Reconstruction after the civil war. We were drilled in names, places, and dates, and absolutely no context or analysis whatsoever.
“Science” consisted of memorizing Newton’s three laws; being able to name protons, electrons, and neutrons; memorizing the atomic number of a handful of elements; and vaguely describing the reproductive mechanism of flowers.
It was the same fucking classes every year, just with ever-increasing loads of busy work.
You gotta pay your dues. Everyone starts by memorizing loads of stuff, then regurgitating it. Later on, you get into your own analysis. But learn to walk before you run.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:04:19am |
re: #79 RogueOne
and Politico says Lazio might be staying in the race. I don’t think this could have worked out any better for Cuomo.
The Cuomo dynasty is alive and well with Andrew in Albany and Chris on ABC.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:04:43am |
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:05:10am |
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:05:31am |
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:09:41am |
re: #35 Johnny2Times
Amen (heh). Government control is a lot scarier than religious coercion.
But the scary, scary part is when you mix one with the other…
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lostlakehiker Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:11:09am |
re: #50 RogueOne
The problem is seems is that if everything goes electric and our energy plants are wind/solar there isn’t anyway to really store that energy right now.
Well, yes there is. There are several ways.
Some kinds of demand for electricity can be moved around in time a few hours, which amounts to the same thing as short term storage. Overnight recharging of electric autos, for example.
With a smart grid, some amount of demand management becomes possible. But on the generation end, small lakes can be equipped with good turbines and good pumps. When more energy is available from the grid than can be sold at a good price, use it instead to pump water uphill.
When supply lags and/or demand soars, run that water down through the turbines and generate more electricity. The process is something like 80% efficient, which is good enough considering the different price electricity will bring as the supply/demand situation fluctuates.
But for now, there’s enough regular supply that adjusting to the interruptible facts of wind and solar is easy. Nuclear power doesn’t go down when the wind dies or the sun sets, and natural gas plants can be fired up quickly and stood down quickly. By the time we’re ready to move to a very high fraction of wind/solar, we’ll need some better answers. We don’t have to have those answers right now, because we won’t be in that position for decades.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:17:36am |
It’s raining and my cat is pissed. She wants to go outside so bad.
Lol.
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Political Atheist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:18:14am |
re: #49 negativ
Publishers don’t publish eleventy-million Texas editions and then reset the presses for 800,000 Nebraska editions. When it comes to textbooks, as goes Texas (and California), so goes the nation.
Right-Not a theocratic School system? Buy Californian text books. Let Texas publishers wither.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:19:25am |
The Texas SBOE is proof that we need Federal minimum textbook standards.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:20:28am |
re: #90 lostlakehiker
They’re pouring money into it now, especially storage. We’ve known for awhile how unprepared the electrical grid is in this country for a demand that could possibly double in just the next decade.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:20:55am |
re: #92 Rightwingconspirator
Right-Not a theocratic School system? Buy Californian text books. Let Texas publishers wither.
Not possible right now. California isn’t buying any textbooks, nor are they studying any new editions (because they have no money). Texas is placing the orders so Texas books are the ones being printed. An alternate edition would require its own print run and would cost a good deal more.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:21:04am |
re: #92 Rightwingconspirator
Right-Not a theocratic School system? Buy Californian text books. Let Texas publishers wither.
Except CA schools are in worse shape than TX. Cut your nose off to spite your face much?/
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:22:11am |
re: #94 Varek Raith
The Texas SBOE is proof that we need Federal minimum textbook standards.
Nope. Choosing such books belongs to states, and localities if the states wish to permit it. I don’t want more federal control.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:22:25am |
re: #94 Varek Raith
The Texas SBOE is proof that we need Federal minimum textbook standards.
The decline in education since the 80’s shows we need to get rid of the idea of federalizing state schools.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:23:30am |
Sorry but, test scores are meaningless to the overall education of a student. You can have great test scores and still be ignorant as hell. It all depends on what they are testing. If they are testing inaccurate things that are taught, well, does it really matter if you get an A?
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:23:43am |
re: #94 Varek Raith
The Texas SBOE is proof that we need Federal minimum textbook standards.
I’d tell you if you’re that worried about TX school books buy Indiana edited versions. Except of course I think our schools are putting out dumber kids than both TX and CA.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:25:29am |
re: #101 RogueOne
I’d tell you if you’re that worried about TX school books buy Indiana edited versions. Except of course I think our schools are putting out dumber kids than both TX and CA.
Yeah, yeah. State’s Rights.
States have the right to outright lie about the history of the US. To outright lie about science.
Great.
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Linden Arden Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:25:34am |
re: #94 Varek Raith
The Texas SBOE is proof that we need Federal minimum textbook standards.
Or go the other way - why should smarter teachers in Austin have state choices “forced down their throats”?
(love to turn a wingnut phrase back onto them)
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Political Atheist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:26:05am |
re: #97 RogueOne
No not at all. The texts in California are not the source of the problem. Even at mid recession there is a bunch on money in the Ca system. Same with Indiana. Plus the text really should also be online, so the families with computers can get the information online.
BTW, has the textbook industry never heard of “file to print” or publishing on demand? Today’s printing technology no longer depends of huge quantities.
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Political Atheist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:27:25am |
re: #94 Varek Raith
Not as much as it proves Texas needs solid standards. DC has no magic to resolve these things. Arguably less.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:28:03am |
re: #102 Varek Raith
Yeah, yeah. State’s Rights.
States have the right to outright lie about the history of the US. To outright lie about science.
Great.
Sigh. What makes you think a federal department thousands of miles away from Austin has a better idea on how their children should be educated than the locals? Where does our history or constitution say that T. Jefferson wanted a federal government to inject itself into education standards set by the states? Why do you hate Thomas Jefferson so much?
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:28:27am |
re: #104 Rightwingconspirator
I have an idea. Kindle.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:28:34am |
re: #103 Linden Arden
Or go the other way - why should smarter teachers in Austin have state choices “forced down their throats”?
(love to turn a wingnut phrase back onto them)
Because the rights in question belong to the State. Each state may choose to devolve such rights on local school districts, but they do not have to. Texas chooses not to do so. It’s called federalism, and sometimes it means the Feds need to stand aside and the the state make its own decisions, even if those decisions are wrong.
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Political Atheist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:28:40am |
re: #102 Varek Raith
What would stop DC standards from lies and error, perhaps of a different kind?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:30:00am |
re: #104 Rightwingconspirator
No not at all. The texts in California are not the source of the problem. Even at mid recession there is a bunch on money in the Ca system. Same with Indiana. Plus the text really should also be online, so the families with computers can get the information online.
BTW, has the textbook industry never heard of “file to print” or publishing on demand? Today’s printing technology no longer depends of huge quantities.
It would mean a change in business model, and they don’t wanted to change.
/Conservatism is not always a good thing.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:30:20am |
re: #104 Rightwingconspirator
No not at all. The texts in California are not the source of the problem. Even at mid recession there is a bunch on money in the Ca system. Same with Indiana. Plus the text really should also be online, so the families with computers can get the information online.
BTW, has the textbook industry never heard of “file to print” or publishing on demand? Today’s printing technology no longer depends of huge quantities.
That’s what I’ve been saying. Somehow people have this idea that this poor bastard is putting out the nations school books.
Image: typesetter.jpg
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Political Atheist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:30:24am |
re: #107 Cannadian Club Akbar
Damn good idea, and obviously whats coming. Paper is not nearly as necessary as it was.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:30:53am |
re: #106 RogueOne
Sigh. What makes you think a federal department thousands of miles away from Austin has a better idea on how their children should be educated than the locals? Where does our history or constitution say that T. Jefferson wanted a federal government to inject itself into education standards set by the states? Why do you hate Thomas Jefferson so much?
Why do you think it’s ok to lie about US history and science?
Because the Texas SBOE excels at that.
re: #109 Rightwingconspirator
What would stop DC standards from lies and error, perhaps of a different kind?
It’s a damn sight better than the theocrats in the Texas SBOE, that’s for sure. There is no magic bullet, true. However, what’s going on in Texas is completely unacceptable.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:31:55am |
re: #107 Cannadian Club Akbar
I have an idea. Kindle.
Can’t. Violation of the Americans With Disabilities act. You’re federal government at work.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:32:55am |
re: #114 RogueOne
Can’t. Violation of the Americans With Disabilities act. You’re federal government at work.
How so?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:32:57am |
re: #109 Rightwingconspirator
What would stop DC standards from lies and error, perhaps of a different kind?
Indeed. Back in the 90’s, DoE put out a seriously bad set of history standards. Bad enough that the Congress overwhelmingly rejected them (a majority of Democrats as well as Republicans voted to reject, to be clear). DC can screw up as well. There ain’t no silver bullet here.
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Linden Arden Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:34:18am |
re: #108 Dark_Falcon
I concur.
That is why I sought a solution that was MORE local - especially when the state is abdicating its academic responsibility in favor of a political one.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:35:02am |
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:35:36am |
re: #115 Cannadian Club Akbar
How so?
Last year, the schools — among them Princeton, Arizona State and Case Western Reserve — wanted to know if e-book readers would be more convenient and less costly than traditional textbooks. The environmentally conscious educators also wanted to reduce the huge amount of paper students use to print files from their laptops.It seemed like a promising idea until the universities got a letter from the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division, now under an aggressive new chief, Thomas Perez, telling them they were under investigation for possible violations of the Americans With Disabilities Act.
From its introduction in 2007, the Kindle has drawn criticism from the National Federation of the Blind and other activist groups. While the Kindle’s text-to-speech feature could read a book aloud, its menu functions required sight to operate. “If you could get a sighted person to fire up the device and start reading the book to you, that’s fine,” says Chris Danielsen, a spokesman for the federation. “But other than that, there was really no way to use it.”
There have been some settlements, among them:
blogs.findlaw.com
The Department of Justice released a press release that announced three university Kindle programs settlements under the ADA (Americans With Disabilities Act). The three universities that reached the settlements are: Case Western Reserve University, Pace University, and Reed College. The Wall Street Journal reported that Amazon had worked out a deal with several textbook publishers to make their reading materials available through Kindle; which is an electronic book reader.
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Cannadian Club Akbar Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:35:56am |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:36:22am |
re: #113 Varek Raith
Sorry, Varek, but Cannot Concur. Letting the federal camel further into the tent is a bad idea. Better to endure the mistakes of Texas than expand the role of the federal government still further.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:36:26am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:36:53am |
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:37:34am |
re: #125 sattv4u2
Alth
Although, I would prefer if asses were quiet!
Keep your personal problems personal. Mmmkay?
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:38:11am |
re: #119 Linden Arden
I concur.
That is why I sought a solution that was MORE local - especially when the state is abdicating its academic responsibility in favor of a political one.
And I agree with you. Texas and California should give up some of their control of the textbooks process at the state level, IMO. But they should not be forced to do so.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:38:33am |
re: #126 Varek Raith
Keep your personal problems personal. Mmmkay?
///
Hey ,, I’m still paying the price for last nights Chili dinner!
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:39:54am |
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Political Atheist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:40:30am |
re: #113 Varek Raith
I do not presume the folks in DC to be above lying about history. Your faith is misplaced I fear. Look the other way-local-Texas can change this via legislative relief. States have rights because their needs do vary.
There used to be a call for Federal building standards. But California buildings have earthquakes to deal with, few tornadoes and no hurricanes. New Orleans faces no earthquakes. So the state standards make sense.
More specific-
The lesson plan & tests need not be nationally uniform, it just needs to be accurate and timely to the needs of the students. In some areas nearly every youngster speaks English well. In some fairly few. The same textbooks are not appropriate for those two circumstances.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:40:31am |
re: #123 Dark_Falcon
Sorry, Varek, but Cannot Concur. Letting the federal camel further into the tent is a bad idea. Better to endure the mistakes of Texas than expand the role of the federal government still further.
It’s all good.
I like arguing, even if I’m wrong.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:41:58am |
I just noticed your downding to my saying hi to Jesus post. What’s your beef with jesus man?
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Political Atheist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:42:30am |
Heh. I love talking about teaching Sunday morning. In a just bit I leave to teach an eleven year old martial arts and ethics thereof. Boy would the school board not like my lesson plan!
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Stanghazi Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:42:31am |
re: #118 Varek Raith
actually, refreshing! Good morning.
Reading about Paladino in the NYPost. Wow. What is it with the Catholic sanctity of marriage? Wives of politicians who just hand wave away their husband’s extramarital affairs? (he had a daughter from said affair too)
……Sarah (daughter) is a fully integrated member of the family, embraced by Cathy (wife) who did not object when Carl traveled to Italy last year with Sarah and Sarah’s mother, a vacation that included a visit to the Vatican….
Read more: nypost.com
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Political Atheist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:43:48am |
re: #131 Varek Raith
It’s all good.
I like arguing, even if I’m wrong.
That’s why your disagreement with me got 1 + from me.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:45:27am |
re: #137 Rightwingconspirator
That’s why your disagreement with me got 1 + from me.
Me too. You keep it civil even when we’re arguing , Varek. That’s worth a good bit.
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Stanghazi Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:45:54am |
re: #136 RogueOne
Catholics can get away with anything.
I’m just blown away by the marriage vow being so stupidly powerful.
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Linden Arden Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:48:16am |
re: #136 RogueOne
Catholics can get away with anything.
Confession and redemption will “warsh yer sins away”.
(I grew up in the South)
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:48:32am |
re: #136 RogueOne
Catholics can get away with anything.
I can !?!?!
I did not know that!
Boy, do I have some catching up to do sin wise!!!
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:49:04am |
re: #141 sattv4u2
I can !?!?!
I did not know that!
Boy, do I have some catching up to do sin wise!!!
Sigh.
Good going Rogue.
You let the cat out of the bag.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:49:37am |
re: #135 Stanley Sea
actually, refreshing! Good morning.
Reading about Paladino in the NYPost. Wow. What is it with the Catholic sanctity of marriage? Wives of politicians who just hand wave away their husband’s extramarital affairs? (he had a daughter from said affair too)
…Sarah (daughter) is a fully integrated member of the family, embraced by Cathy (wife) who did not object when Carl traveled to Italy last year with Sarah and Sarah’s mother, a vacation that included a visit to the Vatican…
Read more: [Link: www.nypost.com…]
The affair was a long time ago and she doesn’t see leaving her husband as being worth what she’d lose.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:49:42am |
re: #141 sattv4u2
I can !?!?!
I did not know that!
Boy, do I have some catching up to do sin wise!!!
If you were like southern baptists and weren’t allowed to drink alcohol or dance you wouldn’t be having these issues.
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Stanghazi Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:50:19am |
re: #143 Dark_Falcon
The affair was a long time ago and she doesn’t see leaving her husband as being worth what she’d lose.
Sigh. Sad.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:50:24am |
re: #144 RogueOne
If you were like southern baptists and weren’t allowed to drink alcohol or dance you wouldn’t be having these issues.
The way I dance, I SHOULDN’T be allowed too!!
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:51:14am |
re: #146 sattv4u2
The way I dance, I SHOULDN’T be allowed too!!
It’s the dancing that always seperates the heathens from the god fearing. Hip shaking sends you straight to hell.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:52:31am |
re: #146 sattv4u2
The way I dance, I SHOULDN’T be allowed too!!
The Funky Chicken?
Yeah, you shouldn’t do that in public…
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:52:38am |
re: #147 RogueOne
It’s the dancing that always seperates the heathens from the god fearing. Hip shaking sends you straight to hell.
At my age ( and shape) if I shake my hips I’ll break one!
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HoosierHoops Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:53:47am |
I am deeply sorry Lizards..The LGF prayer list is on my laptop at work..This laptop has a 2 month old prayer list on it..I updated it somewhat but it a throw back list…This is the first time in a year it hasn’t been updated…
Sorry…If anyone has a request I can add it this morning
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:54:57am |
re: #145 Stanley Sea
Sigh. Sad.
It may well be a better ending than a divorce would be. I don’t know what she and her husband are thinking, so I can’t form a real judgment of her actions. And Carl Pallidino’s failure, while serious (I always reckon adultery a serious failing), was not nearly as bad as what we’ve seen out of other politicians. Especially given that both the current and previous governors of New York State had extramarital affairs, this won’t hurt Pallidino at all
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:58:14am |
It’s cold this morning!
59 degrees…
Considering that it was 90freaking6 on Friday…
Stupid Mid-Atlantic patterns.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:58:24am |
re: #141 sattv4u2
I can !?!?!
I did not know that!
Boy, do I have some catching up to do sin wise!!!
So do I apparently.
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Political Atheist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:58:38am |
re: #150 HoosierHoops
I am deeply sorry Lizards..The LGF prayer list is on my laptop at work..This laptop has a 2 month old prayer list on it..I updated it somewhat but it a throw back list…This is the first time in a year it hasn’t been updated…
Sorry…If anyone has a request I can add it this morning
No worries Hoosier, ya do a good thing there.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:58:56am |
The Little green football prayer list
On this Day in History
On Sept. 26, 1960, the first televised debate between presidential candidates took place in Chicago as Republican Richard M. Nixon and Democrat John F. Kennedy squared off.
Lord Almighty we pray this morning for the nation of Israel. Hold up their Navy and give them Strength and wisdom. We pray this morning that you grant grace to the men and women serving in the IDF. Hold your people in your strong arms Dear Lord and protect them forever.
We pray for our Veterans today. drumhike.com
Thanos: Grant healing and strength to our dear friend
Obdicut: My friend Pam, who’s ovarian cancer has returned. She’s going into chemo again. And she believes in the power of prayer.
Dark_Falcon: His Mother had a stroke..She is getting better.. Please heal her Lord
Jadespring: Dear Lord bring healing to a Sister.. Bring grace and strength to the Family.
We pray for your tender mercies
Wlewisiii: If you would pray as appropriate to your beliefs for John Freuh, his step-mother, my sister Elisabeth & his father Rick, I’d appreciate it.
Dear Lord..We ask you this day you bring healing and grace to SFZ’s Father and Mother-in-law..
Help her in the Job search and finding her a new Career. .
We know your love brings healing and life.
Ausador: Parents
Irenicum: Lord heal this family and bring comfort to them..
Guanxi88: Best wishes and lizard mojo to my wife’s best friend. her father committed suicide not two weeks after her mother succumbed to cancer.
Reine: Health and Family.. Lord we ask you grant Reine’s Daughter a Special blessing..Look after her and grant grace.
gregb - 4 year old son who suffered a head injury last Friday and spent the
weekend in the ICU with some lingering effects all week.Jadespring: Our prayers go out to your sister…May she be healed
Baseballmom57: My God grant grace and healing to her son…
lurking faith… prayers for an aunt
Beekiller: Sister has been diagnosed with Cancer…We pray for a speedy recovery
FBV: Add my friend Jeff. Recently diagnosed with ALS. His family will watch him fade and die over the next three to five years. Wife and two kids (kids are young adults).
Veggie Update: For the prayer list, my daughter’s boyfriend is going to be moved out of intensive care and into rehab (we hope!) next week… beginning of a long journey.
I want to add thanksgiving that they will be able to do his rehab locally. There was talk that he was going to be moved three to five hours away from his family.
Prairiefire: Health for Family and friends
Mcspiff: if you could add my uncle to the list. He went in for surgery today and it didn’t go so well. Extra organs had to come out, etc. Still just hearing bits and pieces now. But any prayers would be greatly appreciated.
Alouette’ Dear Father..His name in Hebrew is Pinhas ben Rivka. , and he is in congestive heart failure. He is 91 years old, and a WW2 Pacific vet.
Reloadingisnotahobby: Could add my parents?
They’re in their 80’s and slipping in to ALZ…Simultaneously
Irenicum: Prayers for a housing Situation
HoosierHoops: Bring peace and strength to Joe and his family
Thank you Lord..
Amen
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:59:05am |
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What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 7:59:06am |
re: #135 Stanley Sea
actually, refreshing! Good morning.
Reading about Paladino in the NYPost. Wow. What is it with the Catholic sanctity of marriage? Wives of politicians who just hand wave away their husband’s extramarital affairs? (he had a daughter from said affair too)
…Sarah (daughter) is a fully integrated member of the family, embraced by Cathy (wife) who did not object when Carl traveled to Italy last year with Sarah and Sarah’s mother, a vacation that included a visit to the Vatican…
Read more: [Link: www.nypost.com…]
Morning Sea!
Wow! I had no idea. What a judgment call. I think I would leave the rat bastard, but who knows what you’ll do unless you’re faced with such a situation, particularly that they lost a son so tragically.
Of course, I’d rather see philanderers like him in “volunteer” for prison, then say… oh… I don’t know…. the poor??
Republican candidate for governor Carl Paladino said he would transform some New York prisons into dormitories for welfare recipients, where they could work in state-sponsored jobs, get employment training and take lessons in “personal hygiene.”
Paladino, a wealthy Buffalo real estate developer popular with many tea party activists, isn’t saying the state should jail poor people: The program would be voluntary.
But the suggestion that poor families would be better off in remote institutions, rather than among friends and family in their own neighborhoods, struck some anti-poverty activists as insulting.
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Political Atheist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:00:35am |
re: #154 reine.de.tout
So do I apparently.
Heh. Some do seem to treat “Live, sin, repent” like “lather, rinse, repeat” from a shampoo bottle.
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Reginald Perrin Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:02:56am |
re: #143 Dark_Falcon
The affair was a long time ago and she doesn’t see leaving her husband as being worth what she’d lose.
Did you know that two years ago, Carl Paladino vacationed in Italy with his “other family”?
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reine.de.tout Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:04:17am |
re: #159 Rightwingconspirator
Heh. Some do seem to treat “Live, sin, repent” like “lather, rinse, repeat” from a shampoo bottle.
Yep,
But it ain’t the way it works.
I had a friend whose mom would let her go see Elvis movies, as long as she went to confession right after. LOL.
I thought wow, what a great idea! And I presented this idea to MY mom, who did now allow me to go see Elvis movies. She told me in no uncertain terms that using the idea of Confession as a “license to do wrong” was just not the way the game was supposed to be played. She was right. And I’ve carried the lesson with me always, even if I think it was silly to keep me outta the movie theater when Elvis movies were showing.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:05:00am |
re: #160 Reginald Perrin
Did you know that two years ago, Carl Paladino vacationed in Italy with his “other family”?
Yep, it was in the article. I don’t think the other woman was with him, just him and his daughter. That was, at least, my understanding.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:09:01am |
re: #162 Dark_Falcon
Yep, it was in the article. I don’t think the other woman was with him, just him and his daughter. That was, at least, my understanding.
God forbid a man should accept and embrace his kids. Much better, wouldn’t it be, if the man denied the kid was even his (John Edwards)
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Stanghazi Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:09:55am |
re: #162 Dark_Falcon
Yep, it was in the article. I don’t think the other woman was with him, just him and his daughter. That was, at least, my understanding.
No, he went to Italy with the lady and the daughter. 3 of em, to the Vatican.
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Stanghazi Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:11:15am |
And Hillary got grief because of her husband’s screwing around.
Mind blowing double standards.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:13:19am |
re: #165 Stanley Sea
And Hillary got grief because of her husband’s screwing around.
Mind blowing double standards.
I didn’t give Hillary any grief. I don’t give a rat’s ass what anyone does.
Yes, indeed, mind-blowing double standards.
Paladino, who seems to me to be an execrable man for flaunting his affair by traveling with the other woman, is getting all sorts of grief here from those who would defend HIllary.
And taking flak for accepting and welcoming the kid that was the product of that affair. Sheesh.
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Reginald Perrin Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:13:45am |
re: #162 Dark_Falcon
Yep, it was in the article. I don’t think the other woman was with him, just him and his daughter. That was, at least, my understanding.
Paladino has admitted the affair, but maintains that he and the child’s mother are no longer romantically involved. However, the pair traveled with their daughter to Italy last year.Read more: nypost.com
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avanti Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:14:19am |
Finally, SNL made me laugh with this Gov Patterson clip last night:
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:14:51am |
re: #164 Stanley Sea
No, he went to Italy with the lady and the daughter. 3 of em, to the Vatican.
True. That was in fact in the article. Excuse my error at #162.
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Stanghazi Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:16:26am |
re: #166 reine.de.tout
I didn’t give Hillary any grief. I don’t give a rat’s ass what anyone does.
Yes, indeed, mind-blowing double standards.
Paladino, who seems to me to be an execrable man for flaunting his affair by traveling with the other woman, is getting all sorts of grief here from those who would defend HIllary.And taking flak for accepting and welcoming the kid that was the product of that affair. Sheesh.
Hillary did nothing wrong. No comparison. There was no flak for accepting and welcoming the kid either.
You should read the NYP story.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:16:57am |
re: #166 reine.de.tout
I didn’t give Hillary any grief. I don’t give a rat’s ass what anyone does.
Yes, indeed, mind-blowing double standards.
Paladino, who seems to me to be an execrable man for flaunting his affair by traveling with the other woman, is getting all sorts of grief here from those who would defend HIllary.And taking flak for accepting and welcoming the kid that was the product of that affair. Sheesh.
What, the kid should suffer, have her parent deny her existence, because he was stupid?
Sorry, I can’t see it. It isn’t her fault her parents were stupid. Of course she should be welcomed into the family.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:17:36am |
re: #170 Stanley Sea
Hillary did nothing wrong. No comparison. There was no flak for accepting and welcoming the kid either.
You should read the NYP story.
The flak is here.
Stunning.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:17:44am |
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reine.de.tout Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:18:01am |
re: #170 Stanley Sea
Hillary did nothing wrong. No comparison. There was no flak for accepting and welcoming the kid either.
You should read the NYP story.
I. Don’t. Care.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:18:25am |
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Stanghazi Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:19:01am |
re: #171 reine.de.tout
What, the kid should suffer, have her parent deny her existence, because he was stupid?
Sorry, I can’t see it. It isn’t her fault her parents were stupid. Of course she should be welcomed into the family.
Weird how you picked up on something that wasn’t said!
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:20:22am |
re: #170 Stanley Sea
Hillary did nothing wrong. No comparison. There was no flak for accepting and welcoming the kid either.
You should read the NYP story.
I thought the NYP was a right wng/ Murdoch rag!?!?!
Now you’re citing it?
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:20:41am |
Politicians have an overinflated need for constant love and affection. This is not new … I’m not saying it’s OK, but it is more of the same from a very strange breed.
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:21:14am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:21:15am |
re: #179 _RememberTonyC
Politicians have an overinflated need for constant love and affection. This is not new … I’m not saying it’s OK, but it is more of the same from a very strange breed.
I KNEW I should have been a politician!
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Stanghazi Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:21:16am |
re: #178 sattv4u2
I thought the NYP was a right wng/ Murdoch rag!?!?!
Now you’re citing it?
I fact checked it. You have to do that you know.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:21:44am |
re: #178 sattv4u2
I thought the NYP was a right wng/ Murdoch rag!?!?!
Now you’re citing it?
The paper of record in NY …
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:22:11am |
I see the UN is doing some important work…
UN ‘to appoint space ambassador to greet alien visitors’
Mazlan Othman, a Malaysian astrophysicist, is set to be tasked with co-ordinating humanity’s response if and when extraterrestrials make contact.
Aliens who landed on earth and asked: “Take me to your leader” would be directed to Mrs Othman.
She will set out the details of her proposed new role at a Royal Society conference in Buckinghamshire next week.
The 58-year-old is expected to tell delegates that the proposal has been prompted by the recent discovery of hundreds of planets orbiting other starts, which is thought to make the discovery of extraterrestrial life more probable than ever before.
Mrs Othman is currently head of the UN’s little known Office for Outer Space Affairs (Unoosa).
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:22:15am |
Would you all please stop giving sattv4u2 bad ideas???
Thanks.
///
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:22:40am |
re: #181 sattv4u2
I KNEW I should have been a politician!
Yeah but people gotta LIKE you before they’ll LOVE you
/
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reine.de.tout Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:22:44am |
re: #177 Stanley Sea
Weird how you picked up on something that wasn’t said!
Your 135:
eading about Paladino in the NYPost. Wow. What is it with the Catholic sanctity of marriage? Wives of politicians who just hand wave away their husband’s extramarital affairs? (he had a daughter from said affair too)…Sarah (daughter) is a fully integrated member of the family, embraced by Cathy (wife) who did not object when Carl traveled to Italy last year with Sarah and Sarah’s mother, a vacation that included a visit to the Vatican…
First topic:
Those icky Catholics and their weird views.
2nd topic - the daughter who is a fully integrated member of the family, embraced by wife Cathy.
Those are the things YOU chose to highlight.
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Reginald Perrin Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:22:49am |
re: #169 Dark_Falcon
True. That was in fact in the article. Excuse my error at #162.
You’ve got mail.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:22:58am |
re: #185 Varek Raith
Would you all please stop giving sattv4u2 bad ideas???
Thanks.
///
Yeah ,, I have enough of my own I haven’t had a chance to get to yet!
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:23:47am |
re: #189 sattv4u2
Yeah ,, I have enough of my own I haven’t had a chance to get to yet!
Well, get to it!!!
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:24:30am |
re: #182 Stanley Sea
I fact checked it. You have to do that you know.
Did their reporting pass the credibility check you gave them?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:24:37am |
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:24:39am |
re: #184 NJDhockeyfan
It’s a matter of “when”, not “if”.
;)
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reine.de.tout Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:24:41am |
re: #179 _RememberTonyC
Politicians have an overinflated need for constant love and affection. This is not new … I’m not saying it’s OK, but it is more of the same from a very strange breed.
Exactly.
I worked with a number of politicians.
The ego required to be in that business is amazing. They crave the attention. And then they have all these sniveling hangers-on who are constantly telling them how great and wonderful and important they are, and they believe it.
It takes a certain sort of ego to be a successful politician.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:25:51am |
All these emails and no one sends me any.
:(
///
:)
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:26:40am |
re: #196 Varek Raith
All these emails and no one sends me any.
:(
///
:)
We don’t send you any because we didn’t know you could read!
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:26:45am |
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Stanghazi Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:27:09am |
re: #187 reine.de.tout
Your 135:
First topic:
Those icky Catholics and their weird views.
2nd topic - the daughter who is a fully integrated member of the family, embraced by wife Cathy.Those are the things YOU chose to highlight.
Clarifying my thought process:
Catholic wife of politician who hand waves away affair = creepily common
Visit to Vatican by other family = confusing to the sanctity of marriage illustrated above.
That was all. Nothing about the poor kid intended. It’s just a weird life choice that I don’t understand. I don’t care if it’s a politician or not.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:27:33am |
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:27:40am |
re: #198 sattv4u2
We don’t send you any because we didn’t know you could read!
Heh.
I last checked my email…
2 weeks ago.
I think.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:28:00am |
re: #191 _RememberTonyC
Do they keep the studios up in Bristol as cold as we keep this place?
It’s like a meat locker in here (at work)
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Stanghazi Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:28:26am |
re: #191 _RememberTonyC
Did their reporting pass the credibility check you gave them?
Yeah, I found several other sources via the google to back up their story. That’s all it takes.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:28:51am |
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HoosierHoops Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:29:00am |
re: #201 negativ
Put a sweater on, grandma.
He really needs a Snuggie at work.. The Leopard skin one
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What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:29:04am |
re: #200 Stanley Sea
Clarifying my thought process:
Catholic wife of politician who hand waves away affair = creepily common
Visit to Vatican by other family = confusing to the sanctity of marriage illustrated above.
That was all. Nothing about the poor kid intended. It’s just a weird life choice that I don’t understand. I don’t care if it’s a politician or not.
Agreed. To me, it’s more about the affair, the cheating, than the child.
Seems to me, however, that Paladino has quite a history of making poor decisions, including emailing sexually graphic and racist emails. Or making statements that Obamacare will kill more people than 9/11 (gotta get the 9/11 reference in there). Or making racially offensive remarks.
Not what I would call a “righteous” individual all the way around.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:29:19am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:30:02am |
re: #206 HoosierHoops
He really needs a Snuggie at work.. The Leopard skin one
a “Snuggie”
I had an uncle that we put away for (among othre things) wearing his bathrobe backwards
Now they sell them on TV!!!
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:30:34am |
re: #208 Varek Raith
Pfff, just set some stuff on fire.
No worries there
I’m so busy later today SUMFIN is sure to blow up
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:30:54am |
re: #193 Varek Raith
It’s a matter of “when”, not “if”.
;)
If she’s a Muslim, I can just see the Glenn Beck headline:
UN names MUSLIM as point of contact with ALIENS!!!111 PROOF THAT THE UN IS A MUSLIM CONSPIRACY TO ENSLAVE AMERICA, ONLY TO ALIEN OVERLORDS!!!111 ELEVENTY!!!111
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reine.de.tout Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:30:59am |
re: #196 Varek Raith
All these emails and no one sends me any.
:(
///
:)
Well, when I click your nic all I get is a graph.
Send me one and I’ll send one back, hon.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:31:00am |
re: #197 sattv4u2
Damn, I’m frakkin freezing in here today!
The equipment is more important than you are … Didn’t you get the memo?
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:31:33am |
re: #212 reine.de.tout
Well, when I click your nic all I get is a graph.
Send me one and I’ll send one back, hon.
It’s okay.
I’m not big on email.
:)
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:31:53am |
re: #200 Stanley Sea
Catholic wife of politician who hand waves away affair = creepily common
Common?
Is that why divorce rates are through the roof!?!?!
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:31:54am |
re: #203 sattv4u2
Do they keep the studios up in Bristol as cold as we keep this place?
It’s like a meat locker in here (at work)
Yes … In places like the digital center … In our offices, not so much
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reine.de.tout Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:32:36am |
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:33:06am |
re: #210 sattv4u2
No worries there
I’m so busy later today SUMFIN is sure to blow up
That’s not going to be my doing.
…
..
.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:33:24am |
re: #213 _RememberTonyC
The equipment is more important than you are … Didn’t you get the memo?
$150,000 for a frame rate converter
6 of them sitting in the rack behind me
YUP
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:33:28am |
re: #206 HoosierHoops
He really needs a Snuggie at work.. The Leopard skin one
My MIL gave one of those to my wife …. It’s still in the bag
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:33:37am |
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:33:44am |
re: #214 Varek Raith
It’s okay.
I’m not big on email.
:)
Me either which is why I love smart phones. I started a new company just this week and I nailed down my 3rd restaurant job on a sunday thanks to my droid checking my mail for me. I was always really bad about checking my email until I got a phone that would do it for me.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:34:48am |
re: #219 sattv4u2
$150,000 for a frame rate converter
6 of them sitting in the rack behind me
YUP
DON’T LEAN YOUR CHAIR BACK!
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:35:05am |
re: #215 sattv4u2
Catholic wife of politician who hand waves away affair = creepily common
Common?
Is that why divorce rates are through the roof!?!?!
Goes all the way back to kennedy. I blame the Europeans and their bad influence.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:35:32am |
re: #215 sattv4u2
Catholic wife of politician who hand waves away affair = creepily common
Common?
Is that why divorce rates are through the roof!?!?!
And why “creepy”?
Do any of us have any clue what was involved in the decision-making process?
I know I don’t. Nor do I care to. It’s none of my business.
For Paladino, though - his behavior shows a serious lack of judgment and moral character. And if he was somebody I needed to consider for office, I would take that into consideration.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:36:20am |
re: #225 reine.de.tout
And why “creepy”?
Do any of us have any clue what was involved in the decision-making process?I know I don’t. Nor do I care to. It’s none of my business.
For Paladino, though - his behavior shows a serious lack of judgment and moral character. And if he was somebody I needed to consider for office, I would take that into consideration.
Why is anybody bringing up the wife and the kid, really, when it’s Paladino’s behavior that’s the issue?
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:36:58am |
re: #206 HoosierHoops
He really needs a Snuggie at work.. The Leopard skin one
Am I the only person on earth who instantly recognized that a Snuggie is just a regular bath robe put on backwards? It in infuriates me that:
1) so many people bought it (in the psychological sense)
2) so many people bought it (in the financial sense)
3) for all my misanthropic cynicism, I didn’t think of it first
| 228 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:37:54am |
re: #227 negativ
Am I the only person on earth who instantly recognized that a Snuggie is just a regular bath robe put on backwards? It in infuriates me that:
1) so many people bought it (in the psychological sense)
2) so many people bought it (in the financial sense)
3) for all my misanthropic cynicism, I didn’t think of it first
see #209
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:38:38am |
Gotta go … My 83 Yr old Mom and her 86 year old boyfriend are coming for a visit … See you all later …
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HoosierHoops Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:39:18am |
re: #219 sattv4u2
$150,000 for a frame rate converter
6 of them sitting in the rack behind me
YUP
I’ll bet you have multiple OC3 fiber running into your place…
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HoosierHoops Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:40:38am |
re: #227 negativ
Am I the only person on earth who instantly recognized that a Snuggie is just a regular bath robe put on backwards? It in infuriates me that:
1) so many people bought it (in the psychological sense)
2) so many people bought it (in the financial sense)
3) for all my misanthropic cynicism, I didn’t think of it first
Am I the only person to realize a sweater works fine and doesn’t make you look like a geek?
| 232 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:41:23am |
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Ericus58 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:41:35am |
re: #231 HoosierHoops
Am I the only person to realize a sweater works fine and doesn’t make you look like a geek?
Thank you, Mr. Rogers.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:42:36am |
re: #231 HoosierHoops
Am I the only person to realize a sweater works fine and doesn’t make you look like a geek?
Image: 73045884_1a118b3b661.jpg
bonus point if you recognize the guy wearing it.
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What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:42:37am |
re: #226 reine.de.tout
Why is anybody bringing up the wife and the kid, really, when it’s Paladino’s behavior that’s the issue?
It’s a typical response. She’s seen as less of a person for accepting it. Just like Hillary was. In fact, Hillary must surely be a lesbian!
I’m actually more willing to cut him some slack IF his political life, which is what would effect millions of NYers if he’s elected, was in order, and it doesn’t seem to be.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:42:53am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:43:36am |
re: #234 negativ
Image: 73045884_1a118b3b661.jpg
bonus point if you recognize the guy wearing it.
How did you get a photo of Hoosier!?!?
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Ericus58 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:44:19am |
re: #234 negativ
Image: 73045884_1a118b3b661.jpg
bonus point if you recognize the guy wearing it.
hahahaha.
Dude, you are soo gonna get your ass kicked going into a sports bar!
| 239 |
HoosierHoops Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:44:38am |
re: #234 negativ
Image: 73045884_1a118b3b661.jpg
bonus point if you recognize the guy wearing it.
The Sweater police should arrest him..
30 days in the hole
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:44:40am |
re: #234 negativ
Image: 73045884_1a118b3b661.jpg
bonus point if you recognize the guy wearing it.
Will Wheaton.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:46:29am |
re: #227 negativ
Am I the only person on earth who instantly recognized that a Snuggie is just a regular bath robe put on backwards? It in infuriates me that:
1) so many people bought it (in the psychological sense)
2) so many people bought it (in the financial sense)
3) for all my misanthropic cynicism, I didn’t think of it first
I bought my mother a Snuggie. She only uses it in the winter but it helps keep her warm and it provides a nice place on her lap for her cats (there are two of them, but only one fits at a time).
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HoosierHoops Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:47:23am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:47:28am |
re: #241 Dark_Falcon
I bought my mother a Snuggie. She only uses it in the winter but it helps keep her warm and it provides a nice place on her lap for her cats (there are two of them, but only one fits at a time).
She eithre has a small lap or REAL big cats!!
| 244 |
RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:48:09am |
The more I listen to this album the more I love it:
Slash/Myles Kennedy: Back From Cali
Youtube Video
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:50:48am |
re: #243 sattv4u2
She eithre has a small lap or REAL big cats!!
One of them weighs about 10 pounds, the other about 7. Also, if they sit together, the shorthair tends to go after her long-haired sister (they were from the same litter) after a bit.
| 246 |
What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:51:10am |
re: #244 RogueOne
Slash is pretty hot. He’s got those great kissy lips. And he’s single again!
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:53:00am |
re: #244 RogueOne
The more I listen to this album the more I love it:
As a reply, I couldn’t decide whether to go with:
* There are doctors who can help you
or
* The more vodka you drink, the better that obviously crazy woman in the bar looks.
Second one needs refinement.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:53:36am |
I’m sure someone has a page up about this already…
Revealed: The maps that show the racial breakdown of America’s biggest cities
dailymail.co.uk
The first map is of Detroit. I was born in the lone red spot in the middle of all the blue in downtown detroit:
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:56:58am |
re: #247 negativ
As a reply, I couldn’t decide whether to go with:
* There are doctors who can help you
or
* The more vodka you drink, the better that obviously crazy woman in the bar looks.
Second one needs refinement.
LIES! There are some great songs on that album:
Dr Alibi W/ Lemmy
| 250 |
HoosierHoops Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:58:47am |
re: #248 RogueOne
I’m sure someone has a page up about this already…
Revealed: The maps that show the racial breakdown of America’s biggest cities
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]The first map is of Detroit. I was born in the lone red spot in the middle of all the blue in downtown detroit:
Because of a medical emergency Nikki was born at Merritt Hospital in Downtown Oakland..Nobody has more street cred than her..
| 251 |
Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:58:57am |
re: #248 RogueOne
I’m sure someone has a page up about this already…
Revealed: The maps that show the racial breakdown of America’s biggest cities
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]The first map is of Detroit. I was born in the lone red spot in the middle of all the blue in downtown detroit:
You know what will annoy me about these maps?
Fools will say, “There ya go, proof that America segregates.”
Like one of them in the comments section of that site do…
:/
| 252 |
sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 8:59:59am |
OT
Burger King Breakfast Bowl
Not bad,,, not bad at all
Although if I didn’t have a buy on/ get one free coupon I would have passed
It was good, but not $3.00 worth good
2 for $3.00 made it gooderer!!!
| 253 |
RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:00:02am |
re: #251 Varek Raith
I stay away from comments just about everywhere. I can only think of 3 places I read the comments and one of them is here.
| 254 |
What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:00:23am |
re: #251 Varek Raith
You know what will annoy me about these maps?
Fools will say, “There ya go, proof that America segregates.”
Like one of them in the comments section of that site do…
:/
Well, we do. But I would argue it’s more on economic lines than racial ones. Either way, it turns out most horribly when it comes to education.
| 255 |
Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:00:35am |
re: #253 RogueOne
I stay away from comments just about everywhere. I can only think of 3 places I read the comments and one of them is here.
Yeah, I tend to as well.
OHGODYOUTUBECOMMENTS!!!
| 256 |
Stanghazi Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:03:37am |
re: #246 marjoriemoon
Slash is pretty hot. He’s got those great kissy lips. And he’s single again!
You make me laugh, because you say out loud something I’ve thought for a long time!!
| 257 |
Walter L. Newton Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:03:50am |
re: #254 marjoriemoon
Well, we do. But I would argue it’s more on economic lines than racial ones. Either way, it turns out most horribly when it comes to education.
Well… go do some investigating and see how much of this money actually trickled down to teachers and directly for students education needs?
“The 2009 economic stimulus package includes about $100 billion for retaining teachers and improving the nation’s overall education system. Now the Department of Education has released estimates of how big a piece of that stimulating education pie each state will get.”
When you find out, you’ll have one of your answers to why students get short changed on education.
| 258 |
First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:03:53am |
re: #246 marjoriemoon
Slash is pretty hot. He’s got those great kissy lips. And he’s single again!
Kissy lips.
Image: guido04.jpg
| 259 |
Vicious Babushka Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:05:34am |
re: #248 RogueOne
I’m sure someone has a page up about this already…
Revealed: The maps that show the racial breakdown of America’s biggest cities
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk…]The first map is of Detroit. I was born in the lone red spot in the middle of all the blue in downtown detroit:
Hamtramck?
| 260 |
First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:05:46am |
| 261 |
What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:06:29am |
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:07:19am |
re: #251 Varek Raith
You know what will annoy me about these maps?
Fools will say, “There ya go, proof that America segregates.”
Like one of them in the comments section of that site do…
:/
Haters are gonna hate. Interesting that it talks about “America’s biggest cities” but does not include Chicago. But then again, in Chicago its not just race, its also the ethnic divisions within said race.
| 263 |
Cathypop Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:07:54am |
re: #258 negativ
Kissy lips.
Image: guido04.jpg
Now I’m not thinking about what to make for breakfast. Yuck!
| 264 |
What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:08:09am |
re: #256 Stanley Sea
You make me laugh, because you say out loud something I’ve thought for a long time!!
lol And all his wives have been zoftic women. Slash don’t like those skinny broads! (As if this matters at all to me :p)
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:08:56am |
re: #244 RogueOne
The more I listen to this album the more I love it:
Slash/Myles Kennedy: Back From Cali
[Video]
Back atcha…BB King & Cyndi Lauper
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:10:47am |
re: #253 RogueOne
I stay away from comments just about everywhere. I can only think of 3 places I read the comments and one of them is here.
I grok your sentiment, but I firmly believe one should at least sample the comments e-v-e-r-y-w-h-e-r-e, just to facilitate remembering that one is at all times surrounded by insane, hateful, ill-informed, reactionary assholes of all persuasions. Probably including yourself. Certainly including me.
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_RememberTonyC Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:11:05am |
My Mom is running late, so I am back. Great story in the Jesusalem Post about a computer virus hitting the Iranian nuke plant in Busheur. I always said a “work accident” was the likeliest way to end the mullahs’ nuke dream … Maybe a person with a mouse in Israel will save the world …
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What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:12:04am |
re: #257 Walter L. Newton
Well… go do some investigating and see how much of this money actually trickled down to teachers and directly for students education needs?
“The 2009 economic stimulus package includes about $100 billion for retaining teachers and improving the nation’s overall education system. Now the Department of Education has released estimates of how big a piece of that stimulating education pie each state will get.”
When you find out, you’ll have one of your answers to why students get short changed on education.
[Link: usgovinfo.about.com…]
This was the topic on Meet the Press this morning. Particularly how dismal our education system is and how we’re falling way behind in the world.
They spoke about firing teachers who are not effective and closing schools where the money wasn’t helping at all, which DC did recently. It’s an area I honestly don’t know much about, but it’s a huge problem. It does seem to be, though, that the poorest communities are hurting the most.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:12:13am |
This could be serious if the poll is accurate….
Jack Conway pulls even with Rand Paul in Bluegrass Poll
Democrat closes a 15-point gap
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jaunte Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:12:21am |
re: #262 Dark_Falcon
Haters are gonna hate. Interesting that it talks about “America’s biggest cities” but does not include Chicago. But then again, in Chicago its not just race, its also the ethnic divisions within said race.
Here’s the link for Eric Fischer’s maps at Flickr; he does include Chicago:
flickr.com
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HappyWarrior Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:13:40am |
re: #269 Killgore Trout
This could be serious if the poll is accurate…
Jack Conway pulls even with Rand Paul in Bluegrass Poll
Don’t what Conway has or maybe even more importantly has not been doing but that’s impressive. I think that race could go either way at this point.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:14:03am |
re: #267 _RememberTonyC
My Mom is running late, so I am back. Great story in the Jesusalem Post about a computer virus hitting the Iranian nuke plant in Busheur. I always said a “work accident” was the likeliest way to end the mullahs’ nuke dream … Maybe a person with a mouse in Israel will save the world …
I hope so. The good thing is that a virus like this gives the attacker some deniability with the US (if we weren’t the ones that did it). We should lean on the anti-virus firms not to provide Iran with any help.
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Ericus58 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:15:11am |
re: #269 Killgore Trout
This could be serious if the poll is accurate…
Jack Conway pulls even with Rand Paul in Bluegrass Poll
That makes me smile.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:15:44am |
re: #259 Alouette
Hamtramck?
Winner! My fathers side of the family migrated there pretty early after arriving while my mothers side moved north in the early 50’s.
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:16:30am |
re: #271 HappyWarrior
(blah blah Rand Paul blah blah)
that race could go either way
And there we have the most disturbing idea I’ve heard all day. However, the day is young, and no matter how bad things are, they can always get worse.
/not much of a comfort
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:17:06am |
re: #269 Killgore Trout
This could be serious if the poll is accurate…
Jack Conway pulls even with Rand Paul in Bluegrass Poll
It looks solid, but we need other polls by other organizations to confirm its accuracy.
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Vicious Babushka Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:17:40am |
re: #274 RogueOne
Winner! My fathers side of the family migrated there pretty early after arriving while my mothers side moved north in the early 50’s.
My g-g-grandfather is buried in Hamtramck. The cemetery is located on the grounds of the GM “Poletown” production campus.
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HappyWarrior Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:17:50am |
re: #267 _RememberTonyC
My Mom is running late, so I am back. Great story in the Jesusalem Post about a computer virus hitting the Iranian nuke plant in Busheur. I always said a “work accident” was the likeliest way to end the mullahs’ nuke dream … Maybe a person with a mouse in Israel will save the world …
I guess this is 21st century warfare for you. Awesome that a virus hit their nuke plant.
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HoosierHoops Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:17:56am |
re: #272 Dark_Falcon
I hope so. The good thing is that a virus like this gives the attacker some deniability with the US (if we weren’t the ones that did it). We should lean on the anti-virus firms not to provide Iran with any help.
I don’t know..Iran can always turn off their external interfaces on the core routers.. They aren’t stupid..They will run their Nuclear network on an internal Private network behind a firewall…Nobody gets there..I’d turn off the VPN tunnel also.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:19:54am |
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:19:59am |
re: #272 Dark_Falcon
I hope so. The good thing is that a virus like this gives the attacker some deniability with the US (if we weren’t the ones that did it). We should lean on the anti-virus firms not to provide Iran with any help.
Some smart geek should send them something that is supposed to help but makes it much worse.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:20:03am |
re: #279 HoosierHoops
I don’t know..Iran can always turn off their external interfaces on the core routers.. They aren’t stupid..They will run their Nuclear network on an internal Private network behind a firewall…Nobody gets there..I’d turn off the VPN tunnel also.
On tech matters, the Iranian government isn’t actually that smart. They might actually have a backdoor someone found.
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What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:20:36am |
re: #270 jaunte
Here’s the link for Eric Fischer’s maps at Flickr; he does include Chicago:
[Link: www.flickr.com…]
Houston would seem to get first prize.
And there ain’t no Black folk in Salt Lake City!
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reine.de.tout Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:20:45am |
re: #235 marjoriemoon
It’s a typical response. She’s seen as less of a person for accepting it. Just like Hillary was. In fact, Hillary must surely be a lesbian!
I’m actually more willing to cut him some slack IF his political life, which is what would effect millions of NYers if he’s elected, was in order, and it doesn’t seem to be.
I wouldn’t be cutting him any slack.
I’m just perplexed as to why it’s his WIFE and the daughter under discussion, when it was HIS behavior that’s a mess.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:22:04am |
re: #276 Dark_Falcon
It looks solid, but we need other polls by other organizations to confirm its accuracy.
Agreed. Even if other polls confirm it Conway would still be a long shot. That 15 points shows there voters are unstable but the trend is still with Paul.
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reine.de.tout Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:22:21am |
Need to walk the dog.
These animals require an awful lot of attention.
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HappyWarrior Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:22:58am |
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:22:58am |
re: #268 marjoriemoon
This was the topic on Meet the Press this morning. Particularly how dismal our education system is and how we’re falling way behind in the world.
They spoke about firing teachers who are not effective and closing schools where the money wasn’t helping at all, which DC did recently. It’s an area I honestly don’t know much about, but it’s a huge problem. It does seem to be, though, that the poorest communities are hurting the most.
The truth will out… interesting, Michelle Rhee, chancellor of the Washington DC schools, will possibly loose her job, now that the person that appointed her lost the recent primary for reelection… oh, mainly due to efforts of the teachers unions to get rid of the current mayor and put in Vincent Gray, who is favorable to them.
But… the truth will out… the creator and filmmaker of “An Inconvenient Truth” has a new documentary that just came out called “Waiting for Superman” which tears into the teachers union and the state of education in the United States.
Have you heard about the movie? You will.
Interesting fact. Do you know in what area the United States school system falls into the number one category? It’s “confidence.” Yep, all that self esteem stuff has certainly given our kids confidence. No education, no smarts, no skills to exist in the real world, but they have esteem.
See…
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jaunte Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:23:04am |
re: #283 marjoriemoon
The ‘original size’ maps at Flickr are pretty impressive. I’m in the near NW of Houston, where the pinks and oranges are muy mixto.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:32:01am |
re: #288 Walter L. Newton
No education, no smarts, no skills to exist in the real world, but they have esteem
Sure ,, now that they know they won’t get hit in the face with a dodge ball or fall off some monkey bars!!
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First As Tragedy, Then As Farce Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:32:02am |
re: #280 RogueOne
re: #271 HappyWarrior
Don’t hold your breath. Paul wins that race by 15-20 pts.
Screw it. I say elect them all. Let’s put every lunatic currently running who’s ever been mentioned on LGF in office for life. Dissolve the Supreme Court and make Scalia the Grand Inquisitor. Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh can head the Ministry of Truth; John Yoo can head the Ministry of Love. Give the Texas SBOE a lifetime supply of tequila and bibles, and have them them run the National Archives. Ignorance is strength.
In a world where the likes of Rand Paul and Christine O’Donnell actually might get elected to high office rather than being roundly ridiculed into obscurity, why bother? Might as well get comfortable and watch the pretty flames.
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What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:32:15am |
re: #284 reine.de.tout
I wouldn’t be cutting him any slack.
I’m just perplexed as to why it’s his WIFE and the daughter under discussion, when it was HIS behavior that’s a mess.
I meant as a politician. In that respect, what someone does with their family isn’t as important as what he does to the citizens he represents.
I think it’s natural to talk about the wife and kids, although they have nothing to do with it. I don’t think anyone here was blaming them, tho? Unless, you’re Dr. Laura who thinks it’s the wife’s fault.
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BigPapa Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:33:58am |
re: #289 jaunte
The ‘original size’ maps at Flickr are pretty impressive. I’m in the near NW of Houston, where the pinks and oranges are muy mixto.
I doubt there’s anything small as Kailua-Kona but I’d be interested to see Honolulu.
These maps are very interesting
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Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:34:38am |
re: #291 negativ
Screw it. I say elect them all. Let’s put every lunatic currently running who’s ever been mentioned on LGF in office for life. Dissolve the Supreme Court and make Scalia the Grand Inquisitor. Glen Beck and Rush Limbaugh can head the Ministry of Truth; John Yoo can head the Ministry of Love. Give the Texas SBOE a lifetime supply of tequila and bibles, and have them them run the National Archives. Ignorance is strength.
In a world where the likes of Rand Paul and Christine O’Donnell actually might get elected to high office rather than being roundly ridiculed into obscurity, why bother? Might as well get comfortable and watch the pretty flames.
Sit down, breathe into the paper bag, and come out fighting again.
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ClaudeMonet Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:37:08am |
re: #40 rwdflynavy
The Sith don’t believe in church. Speaking of church, I’ve got to get in the shower and get ready.
Today is my birthday (shameless plug for updings…)
Later Lizards
No upding for you, but—Happy Birthday!
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What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:37:19am |
re: #288 Walter L. Newton
The truth will out… interesting, Michelle Rhee, chancellor of the Washington DC schools, will possibly loose her job, now that the person that appointed her lost the recent primary for reelection… oh, mainly due to efforts of the teachers unions to get rid of the current mayor and put in Vincent Gray, who is favorable to them.
[Link: www.bostonherald.com…]
But… the truth will out… the creator and filmmaker of “An Inconvenient Truth” has a new documentary that just came out called “Waiting for Superman” which tears into the teachers union and the state of education in the United States.
Have you heard about the movie? You will.
Interesting fact. Do you know in what area the United States school system falls into the number one category? It’s “confidence.” Yep, all that self esteem stuff has certainly given our kids confidence. No education, no smarts, no skills to exist in the real world, but they have esteem.
See…
[Link: www.philly.com…]
Right. Well you’d like the show then. Rhee was on, along with the head of the teacher’s union, the superintendent for Detroit schools and Arne Duncan. Yes, they talked about the movie and showed a clip. David Gregory was very impressed with it.
The U.S. falls, like to the 20-25th position around the world in education, particularly math and science. That was the clip they showed IIR. It’s a terrible problem, indeed.
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What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:37:57am |
re: #289 jaunte
The ‘original size’ maps at Flickr are pretty impressive. I’m in the near NW of Houston, where the pinks and oranges are muy mixto.
I *woo* for diversity!
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NJDhockeyfan Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:38:40am |
It was a strange week for the loony strongman from Iran.
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s six nights in New York featured a secret sit-down with militant minister Louis Farrakhan, heckling in a hotel bar, and a fear of being rubbed out that bordered on paranoia.
The president shared a hush-hush meal with Farrakhan and members of the New Black Panther Party Tuesday at the Warwick Hotel on West 54th Street.
The meeting of the podium smackers took place in a banquet room, where the fiery leaders presumably exchanged theories on what’s wrong with the world.
On Thursday night, Sudanese diplomats trying to get in to see Ahmadinejad at the Hilton Manhattan East, on 42nd Street, squared off with security and a pushing match ensued. Two well-dressed women in their 40s came in, sat at the hotel bar and ordered drinks.
One of them caught the attention of the president’s security detail, which had set up a station in the hotel lobby. She was soon surrounded by eight angry Iranians, who ordered her to leave. She refused.
A manager tried to calm things down. Suddenly, the woman stood up and pointed at the Iranians, yelling, “You stoned my sister! You’re murderers!”
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:40:54am |
re: #296 marjoriemoon
Right. Well you’d like the show then. Rhee was on, along with the head of the teacher’s union, the superintendent for Detroit schools and Arne Duncan. Yes, they talked about the movie and showed a clip. David Gregory was very impressed with it.
The U.S. falls, like to the 20-25th position around the world in education, particularly math and science. That was the clip they showed IIR. It’s a terrible problem, indeed.
That was the pool I was talking about. 20-25th on most aspects of education, number one in “confidence.”
If you search around, the left is already trying to tear this movie down, check KOS for at least three articles. And a lot more out there is you look.
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What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:43:12am |
re: #289 jaunte
The ‘original size’ maps at Flickr are pretty impressive. I’m in the near NW of Houston, where the pinks and oranges are muy mixto.
I’d like to say, also, I really like Texas. My few experiences there have been great. The people are wonderful and very friendly. I’ve been to Houston and Dallas and still have friends in Houston.
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Dark_Falcon Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:43:15am |
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What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:44:39am |
re: #299 Walter L. Newton
That was the pool I was talking about. 20-25th on most aspects of education, number one in “confidence.”
If you search around, the left is already trying to tear this movie down, check KOS for at least three articles. And a lot more out there is you look.
Really? I’d like to see the movie. Gregory is pretty liberal, I think. Least he seems to lean that way. I don’t think they mentioned the confidence thing, but maybe I missed it.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:45:49am |
re: #302 marjoriemoon
Really? I’d like to see the movie. Gregory is pretty liberal, I think. Least he seems to lean that way. I don’t think they mentioned the confidence thing, but maybe I missed it.
The ‘confidence thing’ is the bane of my life. And weirdly enough, I have NEVER taught at a school where we did self-esteem boosting exercises or any of the rest of it.
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jaunte Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:48:18am |
re: #293 BigPapa
I doubt there’s anything small as Kailua-Kona but I’d be interested to see Honolulu.
These maps are very interesting
Honolulu is here. Very green!
flickr.com
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What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:49:02am |
re: #303 SanFranciscoZionist
The ‘confidence thing’ is the bane of my life. And weirdly enough, I have NEVER taught at a school where we did self-esteem boosting exercises or any of the rest of it.
Have you seen the movie?
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:49:05am |
re: #302 marjoriemoon
Really? I’d like to see the movie. Gregory is pretty liberal, I think. Least he seems to lean that way. I don’t think they mentioned the confidence thing, but maybe I missed it.
In the process, Guggenheim, who narrates the film, points to some of the culprits: intractable government bureaucracies, immovable teachers unions.
“I’m a liberal, I’m a Democrat,” Guggenheim says. “My father would sit at the dinner table and sing the praises of the union movement and how it shaped this nation in the 20th century. But the reality is that there needs to be real innovation, and that’s been hard to implement.”
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:49:37am |
The Self Esteem thing seems to be another one of those cases of taking something that is useful and assuming it was essential.
But the point is, it is a lot easier to artificially boost someone’s morale than it is to buckle down and boost their quality of education.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:49:44am |
re: #304 jaunte
Honolulu is here. Very green!
[Link: www.flickr.com…]
algea, no doubt
All that water and warm tropical breezes!!
//
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:50:37am |
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:50:39am |
BBIAB
NFL is ramping up for the day and I should pay attention
((aftre all , that IS what I get paid for!!)))
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BigPapa Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:51:28am |
Honolulu is the opposite of the spectrum from Newark. I’m shocked by how start some of the divides are.
flickr.com
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Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:51:28am |
re: #303 SanFranciscoZionist
The ‘confidence thing’ is the bane of my life. And weirdly enough, I have NEVER taught at a school where we did self-esteem boosting exercises or any of the rest of it.
When the Chinese execute their Apollo program, any excess self-confidence will take care of itself.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:51:49am |
re: #314 Decatur Deb
When the Chinese execute their Apollo program, any excess self-confidence will take care of itself.
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]
Among adults, maybe. :)
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:53:18am |
games about to start, Houston or Dallas? I say dallas.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:53:32am |
re: #315 SanFranciscoZionist
Among adults, maybe. :)
Your students will be adults then. Their children could be “Generation Has-Been”.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:53:52am |
Seriously—we are a culture that values the appearance of confidence. We shouldn’t be surprised that our children mimic us so well.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:54:32am |
re: #317 Decatur Deb
Your students will be adults then. Their children could be “Generation Has-Been”.
Could well happen, but right now, Mr. B is not as much fun as Sister, so they won’t listen to his math lessons.
We’re not unionized by the way, so there goes that excuse.
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What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:54:46am |
re: #306 Walter L. Newton
In the process, Guggenheim, who narrates the film, points to some of the culprits: intractable government bureaucracies, immovable teachers unions.
“I’m a liberal, I’m a Democrat,” Guggenheim says. “My father would sit at the dinner table and sing the praises of the union movement and how it shaped this nation in the 20th century. But the reality is that there needs to be real innovation, and that’s been hard to implement.”
[Link: www.philly.com…]
I am a huge proponent of public schooling. Education should be free and excellent. I know, easy for me to say. What has changed from the time we were in school until today?
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:54:47am |
re: #314 Decatur Deb
When the Chinese execute their Apollo program, any excess self-confidence will take care of itself.
[Link: www.nytimes.com…]
We’re far too busy worrying about whether Obama is a cactus.
:/
/
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:56:27am |
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CarleeCork Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:56:29am |
re: #320 marjoriemoon
I am a huge proponent of public schooling. Education should be free and excellent. I know, easy for me to say. What has changed from the time we were in school until today?
Rising divorce rates and mothers working outside the home.
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:57:25am |
Image: Poll-1-Jump-R_jpg_600x1000_q85.jpg
A number of polled Americans identified the above as a photo of President Obama.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:57:36am |
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:58:27am |
re: #326 RogueOne
They’re prickly so I’d wager baptist.
although there were some catholics that got a little prickly this morning//
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 26, 2010 9:59:56am |
re: #318 SanFranciscoZionist
Seriously—we are a culture that values the appearance of confidence. We shouldn’t be surprised that our children mimic us so well.
Good point. It’s probably been quite a long time since a substantial portion of the population has understood why Pride was considered a sin. We would do well to dust off some old ideas from St. Francis of Assisi and Marcus Aurelius (or other stoics). Humility is a huge part of Zen but if you google the subject you’ll find very little of relevance. People just aren’t interested anymore.
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HappyWarrior Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:00:42am |
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Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:01:02am |
re: #319 SanFranciscoZionist
Could well happen, but right now, Mr. B is not as much fun as Sister, so they won’t listen to his math lessons.
We’re not unionized by the way, so there goes that excuse.
I’ve been wanting to flay the Teachers’ Union meme. There is no one “Teachers’ Union. There are more than 50 different state-scaled teachers organizations. Some few have very union-like characteristics. Others are as much a union as the AMA is a doctors’ union. When a state education association is actually functioning like a union, its real job is to protect its members—and that is as it should be. The main task of the IUE is not to protect General Electric’s profitability, and the main job of the union is not to further education. The fainting spells start when people assign both roles interchangeably to the Ed associations.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:03:09am |
CNN Shift: Lou Dobbs on Jon Klein
There is no love lost between ex-CNN anchor Lou Dobbs and Jonathan Klein, the man who fired him in November.That’s why Dobbs made no attempt to disguise his glee yesterday when asked for a comment on Klein’s sudden departure earlier that day as CNN/U.S. president
“I’m sure it’s just a coincidence that today is my birthday,” Dobbs told TV Newser, chuckling. “But you’d have to confirm with CNN management that it’s a coincidence.”
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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:03:17am |
New Evidence Suggests God Also Had Incredibly Busty Daughter
RABAH VALLEY, ISRAEL—In a discovery that biblical scholars say could alter our most fundamental understanding of Christianity, recently unearthed manuscripts suggest that in addition to His Son, Jesus Christ, God also had a daughter with absolutely humongous breasts.The documents, found in a cave near the Jordanian- Israeli border and estimated to have been composed circa A.D. 200, recount the life, teachings, and death of Jesus’ well-endowed twin sister, Tammi of Nazareth. According to experts, the revelation points to a more dualistic conception of the divine, one with the male principle embodied in Jesus and the female principle represented by Tammi and her giant, heaving bazoingas.
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PT Barnum Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:04:08am |
re: #328 Killgore Trout
Good point. It’s probably been quite a long time since a substantial portion of the population has understood why Pride was considered a sin. We would do well to dust off some old ideas from St. Francis of Assisi and Marcus Aurelius (or other stoics). Humility is a huge part of Zen but if you google the subject you’ll find very little of relevance. People just aren’t interested anymore.
I dunno, if you’re a Lutheran from the great plains and upper midwest, you pretty much get a solid dose of Pride as a sin on a regular schedule.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:04:58am |
re: #320 marjoriemoon
I am a huge proponent of public schooling. Education should be free and excellent. I know, easy for me to say. What has changed from the time we were in school until today?
I don’t have an informed answer. I can make an anecdotal observation. Over the last year, I became a “step dad” again, since I moved in with my girlfriend over a year ago. I was able to attend school functions for a senior girl who graduated this past year.
At the awards night, out of a class of 500, at least 3/4 of the students received some sort of award, recommendation, grant, scholarship, something.
According to my step daughter, those who didn’t get something where those who didn’t bother to inquire about any of the numerous items available for them.
The evening lasted FOUR HOURS.
Self esteem, confidence, sure, they got a lot of that that night.
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BigPapa Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:05:03am |
If I may toot my own horn:
Here is a link to the Top 25 Most Expensive Homes in Hawaii as compiled by Honolulu Magazine. Ludwig and others may yell at me about carbon footprints but in my defense I’m in the energy monitor/management world as part of my profession. Thats actually turning into a passion as I think of ways to actually do something in addition to merely voting.
So far, I’ve been intimately involved in 4 of the top 10, bid some work in another, and I’m moving down the list.
Mom is going to be proud when she gets this email.
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RogueOne Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:05:44am |
Games are on. Everyone enjoy the day. GO COLTS!
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What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:07:26am |
re: #324 CarleeCork
Rising divorce rates and mothers working outside the home.
Indeed. Last week, Colin Powell talked about kids going to school today unprepared to learn. They haven’t been taught the skills of discipline/paying attention or respect for teachers. He wasn’t admonishing parents as much as acknowledging it’s a problem (in my view). With all teachers have to do, it’s not fair to expect them to be babysitters, nor should they.
OTOH, as you say, single mothers or even two working parents just struggling just to get by aren’t able to spend the time with their kids.
Powell ended up talking about programs that would help working parents be better parents. He just kinda said it, but didn’t expound on it. Gov programs, I’m assuming? Did the Republicans go after him on this like they did his undocumented workers comments?
I just kept thinking, “Oooo I like it but it ain’t gonna fly!”
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reine.de.tout Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:09:27am |
re: #292 marjoriemoon
I meant as a politician. In that respect, what someone does with their family isn’t as important as what he does to the citizens he represents.
I think it’s natural to talk about the wife and kids, although they have nothing to do with it. I don’t think anyone here was blaming them, tho? Unless, you’re Dr. Laura who thinks it’s the wife’s fault.
No, I didn’t say anyone was blaming the wife.
Just that she seems to be the topic of discussion.
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:09:30am |
re: #318 SanFranciscoZionist
Seriously—we are a culture that values the appearance of confidence. We shouldn’t be surprised that our children mimic us so well.
One of the lessons of the 80’s is that one needs to look and act confident in order to succeed.
Some people decided that the appearance and attitude were all that were required.
Then they realized that that a nose full of cocaine made you look and act terribly self-confident and went on to create a massive market for the stuff.
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PT Barnum Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:12:45am |
re: #339 ralphieboy
One of the lessons of the 80’s is that one needs to look and act confident in order to succeed.
Some people decided that the appearance and attitude were all that were required.
Then they realized that that a nose full of cocaine made you look and act terribly self-confident and went on to create a massive market for the stuff.
confidence without accomplishment to back it up is just arrogance.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:13:10am |
re: #320 marjoriemoon
I am a huge proponent of public schooling. Education should be free and excellent. I know, easy for me to say. What has changed from the time we were in school until today?
Another change is that we are making an honest and difficult effort to educate everyone to a decent level. In my father’s generation minorities and many rural whites were not expected to hit or exceed eighth grade. The “failures” of today would not even be given a real chance then—they wouldn’t be in the numbers anyone worried about.
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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:13:34am |
re: #335 BigPapa
If I may toot my own horn:
Here is a link to the Top 25 Most Expensive Homes in Hawaii as compiled by Honolulu Magazine. Ludwig and others may yell at me about carbon footprints but in my defense I’m in the energy monitor/management world as part of my profession. Thats actually turning into a passion as I think of ways to actually do something in addition to merely voting.
So far, I’ve been intimately involved in 4 of the top 10, bid some work in another, and I’m moving down the list.
Mom is going to be proud when she gets this email.
Congratulations!
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Ericus58 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:14:27am |
re: #340 PT Barnum
confidence without accomplishment to back it up is just arrogance.
thinking who this could be…… thinking……
/I couldn’t resist
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Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:17:09am |
re: #340 PT Barnum
confidence without accomplishment to back it up is just arrogance.
re: #340 PT Barnum
confidence without accomplishment to back it up is just arrogance.
There was a great run there in the early 00’s when you bankers and financiers could party all night, drag their butts into work the next morning, cook up some figures that made them and their company look profitable, go pass out under their desks at lunch and wake up to find that the markets had risen enough to make their fabrications seem plausible enough to float.
And even Bush used the phrase “the party’s over” when he first tried to put a lid on those excesses. I suspect that he had had some personal experience in such practices…
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Charles Johnson Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:19:35am |
re: #57 Johnny2Times
Exactly. Teaching kids religious fairy tales is offensive, but it’s a peripheral issue. The main thing people should be concerned about is overall quality of education.
I wonder why every time the subject of creationism comes up, suddenly people appear telling everyone not to worry, it’s no big deal, look over there at the evil government instead.
And I mean every time.
You’d almost think they were trying to pull the wool over your eyes, wouldn’t you?
And oddly enough, almost always the people who spout this stuff are creationists themselves.
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ClaudeMonet Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:19:42am |
re: #225 reine.de.tout
And why “creepy”?
Do any of us have any clue what was involved in the decision-making process?I know I don’t. Nor do I care to. It’s none of my business.
For Paladino, though - his behavior shows a serious lack of judgment and moral character. And if he was somebody I needed to consider for office, I would take that into consideration.
Mrs. Paladino is typical of her generation of Catholic women. Take whatever attention you get from your husband, mind the home front, go to church, raise the children, and don’t ask questions. Look the other way when the lord and master doesn’t keep his promises so long as he provides money for the home and shows up once in a while. Don’t think for yourself, don’t have a life outside of kinder, kuchen, kirche.
What I found very sad and strange when I started at a Catholic college in 1973 was that so many people thought this was normal and the way things should be. A lot of the women at my school had little ambition in life other than a MRS degree.
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What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:20:47am |
Walter, just reading over your article.
Randi Weingarten, head of the American Federation of Teachers, is one of the talking heads in the film. Michelle Rhee, the controversial chancellor of the Washington, D.C, schools, is another. Guggenheim’s argument - and Rhee’s - is that the teachers’ unions place more importance on job security, on tenure, than they do on developing and rewarding exceptional teachers, or in weeding out the bad ones.
Weingarten is the lady who was on MTP today. Not knowing the background of these people, I thought Rhee gave better poitns and made Weingarten look bad.
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ClaudeMonet Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:21:41am |
re: #340 PT Barnum
confidence without accomplishment to back it up is just arrogance.
Or a sure sign that you are going to school just to prepare to be handed Daddy’s company and/or live off trust funds.
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HappyWarrior Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:23:57am |
I am too young to have taught but my experiences in high school were that many teachers were frustrated with having to spend a good portion of the year preparing the students for the state mandated standardized tests.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:24:35am |
re: #347 marjoriemoon
Randi Weingarten, head of the American Federation of Teachers, is one of the talking heads in the film. Michelle Rhee, the controversial chancellor of the Washington, D.C, schools, is another. Guggenheim’s argument - and Rhee’s - is that the teachers’ unions place more importance on job security, on tenure, than they do on developing and rewarding exceptional teachers, or in weeding out the bad ones.
That goes back to my #330. If it is actually a union, developing and rewarding is not its job. Those are management functions—the administrators and school boards.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:26:31am |
re: #347 marjoriemoon
Walter, just reading over your article.
Weingarten is the lady who was on MTP today. Not knowing the background of these people, I thought Rhee gave better poitns and made Weingarten look bad.
I didn’t see the MTP segment (I don’t watch TV, internet is my only source of current info), but at the gym the other night, I saw a segment on Fox while using the treadmill, on this movie and both Rhee and Weingarten made points. Weingarten seemed to just make an outright denial that anything in the documentary had any basis in facts.
But like I said above, I’m not in the position to give a really informed opinion, some of these issues have only been slooshing around in my brain over the last year, with my recent exposer to current high school students and paying a little attention to the issues.
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What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:28:05am |
re: #350 Decatur Deb
Randi Weingarten, head of the American Federation of Teachers, is one of the talking heads in the film. Michelle Rhee, the controversial chancellor of the Washington, D.C, schools, is another. Guggenheim’s argument - and Rhee’s - is that the teachers’ unions place more importance on job security, on tenure, than they do on developing and rewarding exceptional teachers, or in weeding out the bad ones.
That goes back to my #330. If it is actually a union, developing and rewarding is not its job. Those are management functions—the administrators and school boards.
I know little about unions, but protecting bad, or rather ineffective teachers from being fired doesn’t seem good. Which is Rhee’s point. They should go. Now closing schools is another issue. What happens to those kids?
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:28:26am |
re: #350 Decatur Deb
Randi Weingarten, head of the American Federation of Teachers, is one of the talking heads in the film. Michelle Rhee, the controversial chancellor of the Washington, D.C, schools, is another. Guggenheim’s argument - and Rhee’s - is that the teachers’ unions place more importance on job security, on tenure, than they do on developing and rewarding exceptional teachers, or in weeding out the bad ones.
That goes back to my #330. If it is actually a union, developing and rewarding is not its job. Those are management functions—the administrators and school boards.
So Rhee has no clue to what she is talking about and making this up?
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:28:39am |
re: #340 PT Barnum
confidence without accomplishment to back it up is just arrogance.
But children are chided for not seeming confident.
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What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:29:47am |
re: #351 Walter L. Newton
I didn’t see the MTP segment (I don’t watch TV, internet is my only source of current info), but at the gym the other night, I saw a segment on Fox while using the treadmill, on this movie and both Rhee and Weingarten made points. Weingarten seemed to just make an outright denial that anything in the documentary had any basis in facts.
But like I said above, I’m not in the position to give a really informed opinion, some of these issues have only been slooshing around in my brain over the last year, with my recent exposer to current high school students and paying a little attention to the issues.
Just FYI, you can see the show online here:
MSNBC Video
Today’s episode: MSNBC Video
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windsagio Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:31:58am |
just a brief aside; probably won’t see much of me for a while (cue cheers)
To quote (paraphrase) William Golding,
“The lack of Opposition did him in”
just mentioning it ‘cuz it seems polite to ;)
peaces :D
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:32:14am |
re: #341 Decatur Deb
Another change is that we are making an honest and difficult effort to educate everyone to a decent level. In my father’s generation minorities and many rural whites were not expected to hit or exceed eighth grade. The “failures” of today would not even be given a real chance then—they wouldn’t be in the numbers anyone worried about.
Damn skippy.
When my father was in Catholic grade school in godforsaken Fresno, CA in the 50s, he had a classmates with Down Syndrome. The parents weren’t Catholic, but the local public school district wouldn’t take their kid. They went to the nuns and cried. The nuns said they would, of course, take the child.
These were middle-class people. They had no recourse but the kindness of Sister.
Millions of kids didn’t get the kindness of Sister. We have to keep everyone now, and we have to serve everyone. That’s as it should be, but it’s a different and bigger task.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:32:46am |
re: #352 marjoriemoon
re: #353 Walter L. Newton
The problem is that the “union” function and “education advocate” function are being overlapped. A union does not get to pick and choose which members get representation. It is the manager’s job to discipline, and the union’s job to defend. Nothing else works.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:33:03am |
re: #355 marjoriemoon
Just FYI, you can see the show online here:
[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com…]Today’s episode: [Link: www.msnbc.msn.com…]
Thanks… I should have said I only turned the satellite on last year so I could watch “LOST.” Now I’m into a two year contract, and I thought since I have 3 kids in this house, that they would be joyful having TV reception (they had no TV for 7 years up here)… nooooo…
“LOST” is over and they barely turn the TV on… and I have a year to go in my DishTV contract… now it’s a waste of 80 dollars a month…
Can you imagine that… kids who don’t want to watch TV? Of course, they watch all their favorite shows and stuff on line.
Thanks for the link.
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What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:34:06am |
re: #356 windsagio
just a brief aside; probably won’t see much of me for a while (cue cheers)
To quote (paraphrase) William Golding,
“The lack of Opposition did him in”
just mentioning it ‘cuz it seems polite to ;)
peaces :D
Sorry, you’re not allowed to leave, but nice try.
Bwwwhhhaaaaaa
I don’t agree with you a lot, Windy, but you do offer lively discussion. Hope you don’t stay gone too long.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:34:14am |
re: #353 Walter L. Newton
So Rhee has no clue to what she is talking about and making this up?
No, she’s spinning the facts in a way that is palatable to her and to the people she’s courting.
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Walter L. Newton Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:35:00am |
re: #356 windsagio
just a brief aside; probably won’t see much of me for a while (cue cheers)
To quote (paraphrase) William Golding,
“The lack of Opposition did him in”
just mentioning it ‘cuz it seems polite to ;)
peaces :D
I can send you Cato’s phone number so you could call him and he will gladly harass you :)
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Renaissance_Man Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:35:19am |
re: #340 PT Barnum
confidence without accomplishment to back it up is just arrogance.
In practice, there is very little difference, however. In most walks of life, it is impossible to tell the difference between justified confidence and unjustified confidence, especially for the non-expert observer. And in the end, there’s a bit of chicken and egg too - having unjustified confidence may lead to success after all, especially if success is measured in large part by how good other people think you are.
We can bemoan arrogance and unjustified confidence all we like, but ultimately, human nature rewards it.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:35:42am |
re: #361 SanFranciscoZionist
No, she’s spinning the facts in a way that is palatable to her and to the people she’s courting.
She’s management, and she doesn’t do the union’s work. And they shouldn’t do hers.
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What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:37:55am |
re: #359 Walter L. Newton
Thanks… I should have said I only turned the satellite on last year so I could watch “LOST.” Now I’m into a two year contract, and I thought since I have 3 kids in this house, that they would be joyful having TV reception (they had no TV for 7 years up here)… nooo…
“LOST” is over and they barely turn the TV on… and I have a year to go in my DishTV contract… now it’s a waste of 80 dollars a month…
Can you imagine that… kids who don’t want to watch TV? Of course, they watch all their favorite shows and stuff on line.
Thanks for the link.
No prob. I was never a TV watcher either (didn’t have one for years) until I got Tivo and can tape what I like. The only TV news I watch is MTP, This Week and another local show after that called This Week in S. Florida. Unless it’s a weather issue and I’m forced to watch local news (blech).
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goddamnedfrank Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:39:11am |
re: #363 Renaissance_Man
In practice, there is very little difference, however. In most walks of life, it is impossible to tell the difference between justified confidence and unjustified confidence, especially for the non-expert observer. And in the end, there’s a bit of chicken and egg too - having unjustified confidence may lead to success after all, especially if success is measured in large part by how good other people think you are.
We can bemoan arrogance and unjustified confidence all we like, but ultimately, human nature rewards it.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:41:19am |
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morrisab Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:41:41am |
re: #341 Decatur Deb
Another change is that we are making an honest and difficult effort to educate everyone to a decent level. In my father’s generation minorities and many rural whites were not expected to hit or exceed eighth grade. The “failures” of today would not even be given a real chance then—they wouldn’t be in the numbers anyone worried about.
This is very true. Even rural white poor of my grandfather’s generation weren’t expected to finish school. My grandmother quit at 16 (in the Depression) to help support her family. My grandfather went through 8th grade and was done.
But it’s really easy to “blame” a segment of the problem to reinforce a particular political narrative. There are good teachers and bad. Teachers’ unions can be an obstacle or an asset. Parents can have no time, money, or support, or there can be two of them and they can have lots of time and money and provide support. But how do you identify the intangibles, like the kids who are growing up with good self-esteem but no idea who Darwin is? A single-parent family can provide a background that values education and provides basic scientific literacy to kids. But a teacher with 30 kids in the classroom is not going to be able to provide an environment outside the class where Darwin is discussed or where education is valued.
My son went to a great public high school (one of the top in the country). And we still had to be involved in and engaged with his educational process. Most of his teachers were excellent; some sucked. My daughter’s in a private high school in the same city for various reasons. But one thing that was outstanding about my son’s school is that all the kids who were there were motivated to be there and they were competitive for success. But the group was self-selecting for excelling in education. How do you recreate that across the city, across the state, across the nation? You have people like my sister who has four kids and no college degree as far back as you can see. They don’t value education or college and their children aren’t being raised to value education or college. But we come from the same demographic background. Anyway, my daughter’s school, which is a private school so again it’s already self-selecting, in the college prep track she’s encountering kids who are singling her out for being successful. We are going to try to move her to the advanced track so that she can have an experience similar to that of my son, who was in a competitive environment where everyone tried to be successful. [tbc]
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morrisab Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:42:06am |
[part 2]
It’s easy to point fingers, as I said, for a political narrative. But the problem is multi-faceted and you really can’t blame it on “public education” or “self-esteem” or “teachers’ unions” or “parents.” If a kid comes from a bkgrnd where education is not valued but encounters the right teacher or school climate, the kid can learn to succeed. If the kid comes from a bkgrnd where education is valued, the kid can succeed in spite of a bad teacher or school climate. But if you have 3 kids, no car, and work 2nd shift at a home health care job, even if you value education - most middle class Americans do not realize the struggles that some kids go through just to show up at school each day.
One of the things “Superman” points out is that the kids are being done a disservice by not being prepared by the school. And that is true. It also points out that it’s not fair that three kids get into a great school and the rest are left to stew with the great unwashed masses to get a substandard education. The question “Superman” asks is a valuable question, but it doesn’t go far enough. Why can’t all schools excel? Is it because not all students excel? Not all teachers? Not all parents? How do you address all those factors? It has nothing to do with “self esteem” and people who push that as a narrative are the same people don’t realize that the bootstraps their middle class experience habituates them to expect does not exist for these people.
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What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:43:02am |
re: #359 Walter L. Newton
Thanks… I should have said I only turned the satellite on last year so I could watch “LOST.” Now I’m into a two year contract, and I thought since I have 3 kids in this house, that they would be joyful having TV reception (they had no TV for 7 years up here)… nooo…
“LOST” is over and they barely turn the TV on… and I have a year to go in my DishTV contract… now it’s a waste of 80 dollars a month…
Can you imagine that… kids who don’t want to watch TV? Of course, they watch all their favorite shows and stuff on line.
Thanks for the link.
Well, if you’re willing to spend a little more, like $5 a month (plus the cost of the recorder… maybe you can find for $100 now?) a Tivo or similar digital recording device is pretty worth it. We record a lot of PBS, history channel, old movies and sitcoms. At least I feel I’m getting my monies worth now.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:43:33am |
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Renaissance_Man Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:44:02am |
re: #366 goddamnedfrank
The Dunning-Kruger effect isn’t always noticeable, though. In many cases, success is measured in large part by how good other people think we are. And generally, they have little idea how to measure that objectively. Instead, they measure it off things like how confident we act.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:44:06am |
Here’s a question in general: what percentage of teachers get fired in their first years, before receiving tenure?
What percentage of ‘bad teachers’ with tenure are the teacher’s unions believed to be sheltering at this time?
Is there some reason the administration does not get rid of these people before they give them near-unbreakable contract status? You’ve usually got three years at least. I know plenty of people who’ve been canned both fairly and unfairly under such circumstances, including yours truly.
(Of course, I’ve also seen management simply break a forty-year teacher of unchallenged excellence, for no special reason except convenience, but that was, admittedly, a really screwed up school.)
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bratwurst Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:47:08am |
re: #370 marjoriemoon
Well, if you’re willing to spend a little more, like $5 a month (plus the cost of the recorder… maybe you can find for $100 now?) a Tivo or similar digital recording device is pretty worth it. We record a lot of PBS, history channel, old movies and sitcoms. At least I feel I’m getting my monies worth now.
I could NEVER go back to TV without a digital recording device. Every time I sit down in front of the tube, I am 100% confident I will have the chance to see something I am interested in.
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What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:47:25am |
re: #361 SanFranciscoZionist
No, she’s spinning the facts in a way that is palatable to her and to the people she’s courting.
It’s hard for me to hold an educated opinion about any of it. I think you have to be in the education system, like you and Decatur, to really know what’s going on. It’s hard for me to understand the realities, even if I have my own feelings about it. But I keep trying!
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:48:40am |
re: #373 SanFranciscoZionist
Here’s a question in general
Reply from the cheap seats (and from someone who was on 2 different school boards as well as active in PTA’s)
There was a dearth of teachers “back in the day” as school districts grew and grew. Schools were sort of forced to keep teachers who weren’t the best (or even average). Those are the ones that got tenure and now cannot (practically) be fired
Now with school budgets contracting there are a lot of good teachers out there that were laid off because they didn’t have the years in and the schools “have to” keep the older ones till they retire
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morrisab Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:49:37am |
re: #371 Decatur Deb
Well, the one project that they did in that high school in Maryland proved that, indeed, throwing money at the problem in a targeted manner does work. The teachers got bonuses for signing three year contracts (so the same teachers were there throughout to implement change), for raising test scores, for this, that, and the other, and I think it worked out to about 14k more per teacher (per year?). That public high school turned around in three years. Now once the money dried up, the teachers left. The question will be is there a critical mass in that school that that investment funded or are they going to go back to mediocrity, if not failure?
But the general NCLB, let’s teach to the test approach - no matter how much money you throw at it, the tests are only as good as the knowledge they’re measuring.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:51:18am |
re: #376 sattv4u2
Here’s a question in general
Reply from the cheap seats (and from someone who was on 2 different school boards as well as active in PTA’s)
There was a dearth of teachers “back in the day” as school districts grew and grew. Schools were sort of forced to keep teachers who weren’t the best (or even average). Those are the ones that got tenure and now cannot (practically) be fired
Now with school budgets contracting there are a lot of good teachers out there that were laid off because they didn’t have the years in and the schools “have to” keep the older ones till they retire
That’s realistic, but does not, to my mind, suggest that the teachers with tenure are ‘bad’.
I still want to know how many newbies get fired, percentage-wise.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:51:23am |
re: #375 marjoriemoon
It’s hard for me to hold an educated opinion about any of it. I think you have to be in the education system, like you and Decatur, to really know what’s going on. It’s hard for me to understand the realities, even if I have my own feelings about it. But I keep trying!
I’m not in the business, and my kids are in their 30s. My daughter teaches English and Bio to convicted druggies, rapists and murderers—some already have their life sentences. She is in a state education association that is under constant attack, but doesn’t even have the right to strike.
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What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:52:25am |
re: #370 marjoriemoon
Well, if you’re willing to spend a little more, like $5 a month (plus the cost of the recorder… maybe you can find for $100 now?) a Tivo or similar digital recording device is pretty worth it. We record a lot of PBS, history channel, old movies and sitcoms. At least I feel I’m getting my monies worth now.
Oh and Project Runway. I never thought I’d say this ever, but I’m so hooked.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:54:49am |
re: #373 SanFranciscoZionist
Surely, you’re not suggesting that we (gasp) argue from verifiable facts and reviewed statistics?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:55:48am |
re: #378 SanFranciscoZionist
That’s realistic, but does not, to my mind, suggest that the teachers with tenure are ‘bad’.
I still want to know how many newbies get fired, percentage-wise.
Some of those that got tenure were bad, and got that tenure due to the circumstances. Thats my point.
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ClaudeMonet Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:56:26am |
re: #381 Decatur Deb
Surely, you’re not suggesting that we (gasp) argue from verifiable facts and reviewed statistics?
Don’t call her Shirley.
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What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:56:32am |
re: #379 Decatur Deb
I’m not in the business, and my kids are in their 30s. My daughter teaches English and Bio to convicted druggies, rapists and murderers—some already have their life sentences. She is in a state education association that is under constant attack, but doesn’t even have the right to strike.
Interesting work, your daughter! I bet she has stories to tell.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:56:42am |
re: #381 Decatur Deb
Surely, you’re not suggesting that we (gasp) argue from verifiable facts and reviewed statistics?
I’m trying to find my way through them, let’s put it like that. Even as a teacher, you see fragments of the whole.
BTW, I’m at work as I write all this, typing in between grading 6th grade book report mobiles.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:59:00am |
re: #382 sattv4u2
Some of those that got tenure were bad, and got that tenure due to the circumstances. Thats my point.
Fair enough. I’m just having a hard time believing that all these districts could just go ZOOOOOM! with the test scores if they canned these people.
That said, I do believe it should be easier to fire for verified misconduct in some areas.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 26, 2010 10:59:35am |
re: #384 marjoriemoon
Interesting work, your daughter! I bet she has stories to tell.
She compares it favorably to her job at an Alabama county school. She has been hospitalized fewer times, for starts.
“I’m sure that this is the only school around where the kids are not armed.”
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morrisab Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:00:31am |
re: #375 marjoriemoon
I’m going to jump on the other side of this, which is that education has tried hard to make itself an arcane science, which is an oxymoron. At my daughter’s school, which is known for taking, and succeeding with, kids with LDs, they hired an “expert” from the public school system last year. She was used to the public school “check the box” approach to remediating kids with LDs, i.e., all we have to do is prove that we TRIED to help the kid. If the kid ever learns to read, write, or do math is actually immaterial as long as the box is checked. She lasted four months at the school. Private school, keep in mind, so they have some flexibility in this process :). The school replaced her with a woman who does not have a specialty degree in special education but who worked in the classroom and spent much of her career working with LD kids and knows they can succeed. And LD kids know they can succeed too - my daughter is one of the most self-aware students most of these teachers will ever run across. But if she was in the public school system she would be in 10th grade and she would still not know how to read. I am not kidding.
And - again - not because teachers are “bad.” She had some excellent teachers in the public system who cared - but none who knew what they were doing when it came to specific LDs. (She is dyslexic so, no, you can’t drug her to get her brain to work the “right” way.) Her teachers were good but did not know how to teach her, and I will say this, did not get the administrative or financial support TO know how to teach her. When most kids with LDs are autistic and ADHD, does it make sense to spend your scarce resource $$ on teaching a teacher how to teach dyslexic kids to read? No. Because that’s not what most kids with LDs have.
Now to my mind the logical conclusion would be to outsource that; after all, my tax dollars are supposed to mean my daughter gets a free and appropriate public education. But as soon as you say “outsource,” people hear “vouchers” and all hell breaks loose again. So we paid for it ourselves. But what about the kids in public schools whose parents don’t have the resources we had? What about those kids whose teachers mean well but know nothing about how to teach dyslexics? This is a specific example but it’s a good way to illustrate how multifaceted the problem IS and how there cannot be just one approach to fixing it.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:01:46am |
re: #388 morrisab
Good, arguable stuff. We need to start an Education page.
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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:03:45am |
How do you convince a child that putting his or her name on a 100-point project is a WISE idea?
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:04:01am |
re: #389 Decatur Deb
Good, arguable stuff. We need to start an Education page.
Wot wuud wee du wiff an edjucsion payg?
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morrisab Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:04:12am |
re: #389 Decatur Deb
I know. I don’t know what that is but if you mean a place to discuss that stuff, I’m game. I could talk about it all day. I work in evaluation and assessment at a public university and I’ve seen both the good and bad sides of public education. I am committed to the ideal. But the more you evaluate and assess schools and school districts, the more you realize just how many factors are at play here. In our state the suburban and the urban school districts might as well be in Russia and South Africa, because that’s how far apart their specific populations and problems are.
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Gus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:06:14am |
I didn’t want to post this in the Skidboot link but Skidboot passed away in 2007. He was 14 years and lived from 1992 to 2007. More here.
Skidboot is at rest, the bell of time having made its inevitable toll. What a wonderful life of fourteen years he lived! Never has a last minute, second thought Christmas gift ever shone so brightly as Skidboot.
On Sunday evening, March 25, 2007, Skidboot was laid to rest beneath an oak tree on the ranch to which he contributed greatly in building.
David and Barbara request that Skidboot be remembered by a donation to your local animal shelter in Skidboot’s name.
Skidboot’s timeless magic lives on in the videos and other products available on this website. Also, David Hartwig carries on the Skidboot legacy performing with the friends of Skidboot. Please contact David if you are interested in having him entertain in the tradition of Skidboot at your event.
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Decatur Deb Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:07:55am |
re: #392 morrisab
I know. I don’t know what that is but if you mean a place to discuss that stuff, I’m game. I could talk about it all day. I work in evaluation and assessment at a public university and I’ve seen both the good and bad sides of public education. I am committed to the ideal. But the more you evaluate and assess schools and school districts, the more you realize just how many factors are at play here. In our state the suburban and the urban school districts might as well be in Russia and South Africa, because that’s how far apart their specific populations and problems are.
You probably know as much about page creation as I do. I’ve put up a couple short-term pages, but I think there is a way to do a permanent discussion mini-blog.
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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:08:29am |
re: #390 SanFranciscoZionist
How do you convince a child that putting his or her name on a 100-point project is a WISE idea?
Easy
Show them a picture of a 28 year old McDonalds counter worker
((caption,,,, “This is you”))
and another of a 28 year old in front of a nice house with a couple of nice cars in the driveway
((caption,,,”This is you with an education”))
// (somewhat)
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What, me worry? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:14:03am |
re: #392 morrisab
I know. I don’t know what that is but if you mean a place to discuss that stuff, I’m game. I could talk about it all day. I work in evaluation and assessment at a public university and I’ve seen both the good and bad sides of public education. I am committed to the ideal. But the more you evaluate and assess schools and school districts, the more you realize just how many factors are at play here. In our state the suburban and the urban school districts might as well be in Russia and South Africa, because that’s how far apart their specific populations and problems are.
You can start your own “LGF Pages”. Click the link (green letters) at the top of the page here. The rest is pretty self-explanatory.
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