Va. Governor McDonnell Changes Name of 'Confederate History Month'

Va. Governor McDonnell Changes Name of ‘Confederate History Month’

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Virginia Governor Bob McDonnell is changing the name of “Confederate History Month” to “Civil War in Virginia” month, after his pandering to neo-Confederate extremists was revealed: Va. governor: ‘Confederate’ month no more.

NORFOLK - Virginia Gov. Robert F. McDonnell announced Friday that he will declare next April “Civil War in Virginia” month, rather than “Confederate History Month,” as he once again expressed regret for a proclamation earlier this year that omitted a reference to slavery’s role in the war.

Speaking at a scholarly conference on slavery and race held at Norfolk State University, McDonnell called on Virginians to remember the war with a solemn spirit of racial unity. He called April’s proclamation an “error of haste and not of heart,” a misstep by an administration only a few months in office.

“My major and unacceptable omission of slavery disappointed and hurt a lot of people - myself included,” he said. “And it is an error that will be fixed.”

McDonnell drew national criticism when, shortly after taking office, he issued the proclamation at the request of the Sons of Confederate Veterans.

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168 comments

ClaudeMonet Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:05:52am

Is it true that his middle name is Waffles?

Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:06:52am

re: #1 ClaudeMonet

Is it true that his middle name is Waffles?

No.
His middle name is “Complete Asshole”.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:07:25am

re: #2 Varek Raith

No.
His middle name is “Complete Asshole”.

‘Waffles’ is just a family pet name.

HappyWarrior Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:09:05am

He’s not stupid. He had to have known that the slavery omission would offend people.

bratwurst Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:12:01am

How many posts will it take in this thread before we get a lecture on Confederate history from an apologist?

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:12:37am

re: #5 bratwurst

How many posts will it take in this thread before we get a lecture on Confederate history from an apologist?

I call 27.

HappyWarrior Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:13:54am

re: #6 SanFranciscoZionist

I call 27.

I’ll go with my personal lucky number of 24.

Gus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:14:20am

re: #5 bratwurst

How many posts will it take in this thread before we get a lecture on Confederate history from an apologist?

The usual meme: blacks served in the Confederate Army.

Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:14:44am

re: #6 SanFranciscoZionist

re: #7 HappyWarrior

I’m thinking someone will come spew tomorrow on this thread.

Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:15:09am

re: #8 Gus 802

The usual meme: blacks served in the Confederate Army.

Forced conscription is a fine military tradition.

Tigger2005 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:19:22am

Didn’t anyone see Gone With the Wind? They were HAPPY I tell you! Hey, who wouldn’t want to be Vivian Leigh’s slave?

HappyWarrior Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:21:44am

re: #8 Gus 802

The usual meme: blacks served in the Confederate Army.

Yep and they will neglect the Fort Pillow massacre.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:22:07am

re: #8 Gus 802

The usual meme: blacks served in the Confederate Army.

Jews served in Hitler’s army. There was a whole book about it a few years ago.

That doesn’t mean I’m not gonna be offended if…

sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:26:20am

re: #13 SanFranciscoZionist

Jews served in Hitler’s army. There was a whole book about it a few years ago.

That doesn’t mean I’m not gonna be offended if…

Somewhere in Argentina, a 121 year old Adolph is muttereing ” I KNEW that was a bad idea. Thats why we lost !!”

Caton Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:27:12am

The abolition of slavery was the only positive outcome of the civil war.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:28:22am

re: #15 Caton

The abolition of slavery was the only positive outcome of the civil war.

Jaysus, man, back that up with something pretty damn quick, or HappyWarrior and I both lose.

sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:28:31am

re: #15 Caton

The abolition of slavery was the only positive outcome of the civil war.

Yeah ,, that whole keeping the country as one is TOTALLY overrated!

Oh ,,, and Atlanta is all nice and new and shiney!

Gus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:29:36am

re: #13 SanFranciscoZionist

Jews served in Hitler’s army. There was a whole book about it a few years ago.

That doesn’t mean I’m not gonna be offended if…

And the subtext regarding the Confederacy-Black Confederates meme is that “blacks served [sic] in the Confederate Army” therefore “blacks approved of the Confederacy.” Ergo celebrating the Confederacy is swell.

HappyWarrior Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:31:03am

re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist

Jaysus, man, back that up with something pretty damn quick, or HappyWarrior and I both lose.

Ha, they could be referring to the fact that we lost more people in that war than any other war in our history. The war was a tragedy. The Union cause was a just cause but it’s a tragedy that it had to come to that point. I blame the idiots who couldn’t accept Lincoln becoming president who decided to attack US Army property. You would think that people who talk about traitors would despise the confederacy.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:31:42am

re: #18 Gus 802

And the subtext regarding the Confederacy-Black Confederates meme is that “blacks served [sic] in the Confederate Army” therefore “blacks approved of the Confederacy.” Ergo celebrating the Confederacy is swell.

If you can find a single black guy on record approving of the Confederacy, it means that the Confederacy was terrific for blacks! And it was those busybody Northern do-gooders who were the real racists!

(Actually, Gone With The Wind does its level best with that one..it goes back a ways.)

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:32:41am

re: #19 HappyWarrior

Ha, they could be referring to the fact that we lost more people in that war than any other war in our history. The war was a tragedy. The Union cause was a just cause but it’s a tragedy that it had to come to that point. I blame the idiots who couldn’t accept Lincoln becoming president who decided to attack US Army property. You would think that people who talk about traitors would despise the confederacy.

Oh, I can see the point of the statement, especially if you add ‘preserving the Union’ to ending slavery. It just made me a tad nervous, since I don’t know him, and yet, here he is. On THIS thread.

Gus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:33:12am

re: #15 Caton

The abolition of slavery was the only positive outcome of the civil war.

What were the negative aspects?

Vicious Babushka Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:33:28am

re: #13 SanFranciscoZionist

Jews served in Hitler’s army. There was a whole book about it a few years ago.

That doesn’t mean I’m not gonna be offended if…

Well, they weren’t the real Jewy Jews, they were Mischlinge (people who had one Jewish grandparent)

sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:34:02am

re: #22 Gus 802

What were the negative aspects?

“Other than that, how did you like the play, Mrs. Lincoln?”

sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:35:44am

re: #23 Alouette

Jewy Jews,?!?!?!

Do they enjoy Charleston Chews!?!?!

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Glenn Beck's Grand Unifying Theory of Obdicut Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:36:11am

So the month is now going to be about how the Civil War was made sadly necessary by the craven, sick desire of the Confederate States to keep the institution of slavery alive indefinitely, and expanded to new states as well?

Somehow, I don’t think so.

Gus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:36:18am

re: #22 Gus 802

What were the negative aspects?

[crickets]

Caton Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:36:25am

re: #16 SanFranciscoZionist

Jaysus, man, back that up with something pretty damn quick, or HappyWarrior and I both lose.

1,030,000 casualties. 3.5 million former slaves and about half a million free black people treated as second class citizens for over a century. In the South, 18% of all white males aged 13 to 43 died in a war that the South couldn’t win anyway. And that war happened right at the time the first cotton-picking machines were available, making slavery uneconomic — it was already immoral.

It might not be the most stupid war ever fought, but it sure is in the top 5.

Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:37:12am

Hmmm…

palomino Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:37:42am

McDonnell called on Virginians to remember the war with a solemn spirit of racial unity.

Does it seem like the neo-Confederates and “Sweet Home Alabama” crowd want to do anything in the name of racial unity?

And why the hell should African-Americans want to celebrate a Confederate state’s participation in the Civil War?

Caton Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:38:52am

re: #27 Gus 802

[crickets]

Cf. #28.

sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:38:55am

re: #29 Varek Raith

Hmmm…

Seco-hmmmm-nded

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:39:05am

re: #23 Alouette

Well, they weren’t the real Jewy Jews, they were Mischlinge (people who had one Jewish grandparent)

Well, yes, but you could easily make the same damn argument about them.

And I’ve only got two Jewish grandparents. My kids will be Jews, but they’ll only have one.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:39:49am

re: #28 Caton

1,030,000 casualties. 3.5 million former slaves and about half a million free black people treated as second class citizens for over a century. In the South, 18% of all white males aged 13 to 43 died in a war that the South couldn’t win anyway. And that war happened right at the time the first cotton-picking machines were available, making slavery uneconomic — it was already immoral.

It might not be the most stupid war ever fought, but it sure is in the top 5.

I’ll agree with you on the senseless waste of life.

sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:39:57am

re: #25 sattv4u2

Jewy Jews,?!?!?!

Do they enjoy Charleston Chews!?!?!

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Dammit ,, now I want a candy bar!

Vicious Babushka Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:41:30am

Robert Stacy McCain was walking along the beach when he found an ancient lamp washed up on shore.

He rubbed, and sure enough, a huge genie appeared and said, “You are my master! I am here to grant you three wishes!”

Stacy thought about this and said, “I want to go back in time, to the Old South in 1860.”

“We can do that,” said the genie.

“And, I want to live on a big plantation, full of cotton fields!”

“Your wish is granted,” said the genie.

“And, I want the South to win!”

“Done!” said the genie. He snapped his fingers, and Stacy McCain felt himself change. He was on a huge plantation, standing in the cotton field. He felt the chains on his ankles and the burn of the whip as the overseer flayed his back.

“Wait, wait, wait!” cried McCain.

He heard the genie’s voice, “You got three wishes, sucka, and I didn’t hear you wish to be a white man! Now enjoy your wishes!”

Gus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:42:42am

re: #28 Caton

1,030,000 casualties. 3.5 million former slaves and about half a million free black people treated as second class citizens for over a century. In the South, 18% of all white males aged 13 to 43 died in a war that the South couldn’t win anyway. And that war happened right at the time the first cotton-picking machines were available, making slavery uneconomic — it was already immoral.

It might not be the most stupid war ever fought, but it sure is in the top 5.

Ah, the Union as the “war of aggression” belligerents route? So the south was about ready to make nice with blacks and slavery since the cotton-picking machine was just invented so they were about to abolish slavery anyway? Odd thing is that no one told that to the KKK and the Jim Crow proponents post-Civil War.

Otherwise a revisionist view of sorts. In other words the Union should have let the Confederacy to their own devices and Lincoln was wrong?

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:45:11am

re: #37 Gus 802

Ah, the Union as the “war of aggression” belligerents route? So the south was about ready to make nice with blacks and slavery since the cotton-picking machine was just invented so they were about to abolish slavery anyway? Odd thing is that no one told that to the KKK and the Jim Crow proponents post-Civil War.

Otherwise a revisionist view of sorts. In other words the Union should have let the Confederacy to their own devices and Lincoln was wrong?

I said 27. Can I call a win?

abolitionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:45:17am

re: #28 Caton

It was surely stupid that so many seemed hot for war in the earliest few weeks. Gone With the Wind portrayed that very well.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:46:44am

re: #39 abolitionist

It was surely stupid that so many seemed hot for war in the earliest few weeks. Gone With the Wind portrayed that very well.

For some reason, I’m just thinking of the scene in one of Flannery O’Connor’s short stories, where the aspiring writer is told to write about the war…because that makes for a long book.

Gus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:46:59am

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

I said 27. Can I call a win?

Sure can. I’m scratching my head though. This is sort of like a Pat Buchanan view of WW2 in that “it could have been avoided.”

palomino Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:47:42am

re: #28 Caton

1,030,000 casualties. 3.5 million former slaves and about half a million free black people treated as second class citizens for over a century. In the South, 18% of all white males aged 13 to 43 died in a war that the South couldn’t win anyway. And that war happened right at the time the first cotton-picking machines were available, making slavery uneconomic — it was already immoral.

It might not be the most stupid war ever fought, but it sure is in the top 5.

You can’t really think the South would have ended slavery because of the invention of new farm equipment. For one thing, many slaves worked only in a domestic capacity, not in the fields; many others worked in non-cotton picking farm activities.

More importantly, by the mid 1800s, slavery was part of the fabric of Southern life…it defined white culture, and wouldn’t have disappeared no matter how much new technology you threw at it.

brookly red Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:47:56am

re: #39 abolitionist

It was surely stupid that so many seemed hot for war in the earliest few weeks. Gone With the Wind portrayed that very well.

I can picture a row of headstones that say ‘well it seemed like a good idea at the time”

Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:48:19am

Point is that the fellow has not changed his personal view of things, he has just become a bit more sensitive to the PR aspects of what he is up to.

The other meme that might yet come up is that a lot of the whites who fought for the Confederacy were not even slaveholders, which is not surprising as as those who owned more than 20 slaves were exempt from the draft, I guess somebody had to stay home and crack the whip.

Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:48:52am

re: #43 brookly red

I can picture a row of headstones that say ‘well it seemed like a good idea at the time”

Nah. They should all read, “So it goes.”

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:49:29am

re: #42 palomino

You can’t really think the South would have ended slavery because of the invention of new farm equipment. For one thing, many slaves worked only in a domestic capacity, not in the fields; many others worked in non-cotton picking farm activities.

More importantly, by the mid 1800s, slavery was part of the fabric of Southern life…it defined white culture, and wouldn’t have disappeared no matter how much new technology you threw at it.

It also CERTAINLY wouldn’t have led to a better status for blacks in the new society than that which emerged after the war. The fantasy that Jim Crow wouldn’t have happened if the war hadn’t is probably only true because slavery would not have ended.

HappyWarrior Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:49:34am

I have to disagree with those who say slavery would have died out. As long as the Southern powerbrokers continued to support slavery, I don’t think it would have died out. Remember slavery lasted in Cuba and Brazil in to the 1880’s.

palomino Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:50:25am

re: #44 ralphieboy

Point is that the fellow has not changed his personal view of things, he has just become a bit more sensitive to the PR aspects of what he is up to.

The other meme that might yet come up is that a lot of the whites who fought for the Confederacy were not even slaveholders, which is not surprising as as those who owned more than 20 slaves were exempt from the draft, I guess somebody had to stay home and crack the whip.

Of course a lot of the whites who fought for the South didn’t own slaves. They were predominantly young and poor, thus didn’t own much “property” of any type.

Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:50:41am

re: #43 brookly red

It did seem like a good idea and it did look like the South might well prevail - well up to the summer of 1863 with the fall of Vicksburg meaning loss of the Mississipi, the defeat of the Army of Northern Virgina at Gettysburg and the recognition of the fact that Europe was not about to intervene on the side of the Confederacy.

Caton Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:51:09am

re: #37 Gus 802

Ah, the Union as the “war of aggression” belligerents route?

More like “the war of Southern stupidity”.

So the south was about ready to make nice with blacks and slavery since the cotton-picking machine was just invented so they were about to abolish slavery anyway?

No, they were actually way too stupid to understand they should change their way of life and abolish slavery.

Odd thing is that no one told that to the KKK and the Jim Crow proponents post-Civil War.

Talking to idiots wastes your time and annoys the idiots. So nobody told ‘em.

In other words the Union should have let the Confederacy to their own devices and Lincoln was wrong?

In other words, the southern states should have abolished slavery during the 1850s.

Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:51:50am

re: #50 Caton

I’m, like, lost.
:/

abolitionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:51:59am

re: #42 palomino

You can’t really think the South would have ended slavery because of the invention of new farm equipment. For one thing, many slaves worked only in a domestic capacity, not in the fields; many others worked in non-cotton picking farm activities.

More importantly, by the mid 1800s, slavery was part of the fabric of Southern life…it defined white culture, and wouldn’t have disappeared no matter how much new technology you threw at it.

Tobacco is still harvested by hand in many places in the US even today.

Gus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:53:34am

re: #50 Caton

More like “the war of Southern stupidity”.

No, they were actually way too stupid to understand they should change their way of life and abolish slavery.

Talking to idiots wastes your time and annoys the idiots. So nobody told ‘em.

In other words, the southern states should have abolished slavery during the 1850s.

OK I’m glad you put the onus on the Confederacy. Regardless of that we can’t change history. They should have abolished slavery but they did not and the rest is, as they say, history.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:53:39am

A society’s motivation to adopt new technology tends to be inverse to its ability and willingness to maintain a slave population.

Romans invented the elevator. They just had people turn the winches.

Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:54:05am

In a free-market economy, slaves are only slaves because they want to be, and consumers are free to patronize only those businesses that don’t use slave labor, if that’s what they prefer.

( / )

Caton Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:54:24am

re: #42 palomino

More importantly, by the mid 1800s, slavery was part of the fabric of Southern life…it defined white culture, and wouldn’t have disappeared no matter how much new technology you threw at it.

I agree. It was a very stupid culture.

Gus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:54:38am

re: #55 negativ

In a free-market economy, slaves are only slaves because they want to be, and consumers are free to patronize only those businesses that don’t use slave labor, if that’s what they prefer.

( / )

Is that you Mr. Paul?

HappyWarrior Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:55:32am

re: #38 SanFranciscoZionist

I said 27. Can I call a win?

Hold up :)

palomino Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:55:41am

re: #52 abolitionist

Tobacco is still harvested by hand in many places in the US even today.

That fact, by itself, would have kept slavery going. Southerners weren’t looking for reasons to end slavery in the 1860s, regardless of new technology. On the contrary, they were looking for reasons to fight and die to preserve slavery.

Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:55:48am

Anyone who thinks technological advancement would put an end to slavery obviously fails to take into account how an assembly line works.

Shiplord Kirel Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:56:57am

My Texas history textbook, circa 1962, was still doing its best to glorify the Confederacy and implant the glorious “lost cause” meme. It actually referred to the Confederate defenders of Sabine Pass as “our boys” and reveled in the whipping they dished out to the invading yankees.
It also disparaged the various Unionist die-hards in Texas (some of whom were hanged by Confederates for insurrection) and attributed Sam Houston’s fierce anti-secession stance to his advanced age.

Houston had this to say at the time of secession:

“Let me tell you what is coming. After the sacrifice of countless millions of treasure and hundreds of thousands of lives you may win Southern independence if God be not against you, but I doubt it. The North is determined to preserve this Union. They are not a fiery impulsive people as we are…but once they begin to move in a given direction, they move with the steady momentum of a mighty avalanche, and what I fear is that they will overwhelm the South with ignoble defeat.”

He refused to take the Confederate oath of office and was deposed as governor.

Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:56:58am

re: #60 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Anyone who thinks technological advancement would put an end to slavery obviously fails to take into account how an assembly line works.

At least until the AI gets good enough, at which point we’d better stop naming our daughters “Sarah Connor”.

Caton Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:57:07am

re: #53 Gus 802

OK I’m glad you put the onus on the Confederacy.

On their politicians and ruling class, anyway. I’m not sure most of the people who died during that war really fought for slavery.

brookly red Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:57:15am

re: #60 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Anyone who thinks technological advancement would put an end to slavery obviously fails to take into account how an assembly line works.

here come the robots…

HappyWarrior Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:57:40am

It was also assumed wrongly that slavery would die out in the early 19th century then Whitney invented the cotton gin. Who’s to say the sons of the generation that fought the Civil War wouldn’t have accepted slavery for at least another generation? After all it was all they knew and many of them did end up having shareholding farmers in a system which was analgous to slavery.

Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:57:46am

re: #64 brookly red

here come the robots…

Robotist jerk.
/

HappyWarrior Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:58:52am

On a historical what if note, I always wonder how Andrew Jackson would have handled or thought of the confederacy. Yes, he was a slave owner but remember he threatened to lead an army and hang Calhoun during the nullification crisis.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:59:13am

re: #60 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Anyone who thinks technological advancement would put an end to slavery obviously fails to take into account how an assembly line works.

Or how agriculture works, even today.

One of my friends, who did some farming in his younger days, in the Midwest, keeps yakking about how we don’t need illegal labor to run California agriculture, since it’s easier and cheaper to do it all with machinery and fewer, better-paid workers.

I keep telling him that he may be right as rain, but no one is making these agribusiness types go on hiring illegal workers. I assume they do it because it’s cheaper than switching to his model.

Imagine if you didn’t even need to pretend to pay ‘em, and had an ideological interest in not making the switch!

brookly red Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:59:13am

re: #66 Varek Raith

Robotist jerk.
/

/bite my shiny metal ass :)

Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Sep 26, 2010 11:59:57am

Slavery went beyond a socio-economic institution, it a matter of identity and ideology, even a source of perverse pride.

And a lot of norhterners who were otherwise netural or at least indifferent to the notion of slavery in the south were totally opposed to allowing it to be expanded to the territories that were being settled.

Don’t forget “Bleeding Kansas”.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:00:18pm

re: #67 HappyWarrior

On a historical what if note, I always wonder how Andrew Jackson would have handled or thought of the confederacy. Yes, he was a slave owner but remember he threatened to lead an army and hang Calhoun during the nullification crisis.

I believe he regretted NOT hanging Calhoun, on his deathbed, IIRC.

HappyWarrior Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:02:06pm

re: #71 SanFranciscoZionist

I believe he regretted NOT hanging Calhoun, on his deathbed, IIRC.

and shooting Henry Clay. I really should hate Jackson since I hate the way he treated American Indians but I admire his badassness and the fact he was our first self-made president.

palomino Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:03:23pm

Houston had this to say at the time of secession:
“Let me tell you what is coming. After the sacrifice of countless millions of treasure and hundreds of thousands of lives you may win Southern independence if God be not against you, but I doubt it. The North is determined to preserve this Union. They are not a fiery impulsive people as we are…but once they begin to move in a given direction, they move with the steady momentum of a mighty avalanche, and what I fear is that they will overwhelm the South with ignoble defeat.”

Sam Houston’s remarks were prescient and eerily similar to the alleged remarks of Admiral Yamamoto following Pearl Harbor: “I fear that we have only awoken a sleeping giant.”

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:03:39pm

re: #72 HappyWarrior

and shooting Henry Clay. I really should hate Jackson since I hate the way he treated American Indians but I admire his badassness and the fact he was our first self-made president.

You kind of have to take the good with the bad, with that generation. Jackson could be a total asshole, but he did have distinct badass characteristics.

Shiplord Kirel Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:07:34pm

I’ve said this a number of times on this board, but I think it bears repeating: In some respects, the Civil War was not that long ago. When I was a child there were people still alive who could remember the Civil War. Our neighbor in Colorado Springs, a Mrs. R, had been born in Washington DC in 1859 and had lived there during the war. Most of a century later, she could vividly recall the sound of artillery in the distance. She could remember seeing President Lincoln in person, especially at his second inauguration in 1865. She was 99 when she passed away in 1959.
Once in a while, I get cold chills thinking about it: I am still here in the 21st century, and might have a good many years left to go, but I personally knew someone who had seen Abe Lincoln in the living flesh with her own eyes.

HappyWarrior Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:08:48pm

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

You kind of have to take the good with the bad, with that generation. Jackson could be a total asshole, but he did have distinct badass characteristics.

True, true. As a whole I like Old Hickory. I always thought hist story would make an awesome film. Don’t know who you would find to play thim though. His build was very skinny- 6’1 140.

Ericus58 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:09:26pm

re: #75 Shiplord Kirel

I’ve said this a number of times on this board, but I think it bears repeating: In some respects, the Civil War was not that long ago. When I was a child there were people still alive who could remember the Civil War. Our neighbor in Colorado Springs, a Mrs. R, had been born in Washington DC in 1859 and had lived there during the war. Most of a century later, she could vividly recall the sound of artillery in the distance. She could remember seeing President Lincoln in person, especially at his second inauguration in 1865. She was 99 when she passed away in 1959.
Once in a while, I get cold chills thinking about it: I am still here in the 21st century, and might have a good many years left to go, but I personally knew someone who had seen Abe Lincoln in the living flesh with her own eyes.

You are older than dirt
/

Shiplord Kirel Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:11:42pm

re: #77 Ericus58

You are older than dirt
/

61
Older than the dirt in my yard, at any rate, much of which blew in from New Mexico last spring. I am not even the oldest Lizardoid though.

abolitionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:13:23pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

True, true. As a whole I like Old Hickory. I always thought hist story would make an awesome film. Don’t know who you would find to play thim though. His build was very skinny- 6’1 140.

I think Charleton Heston portrayed Jackson in a made-for-tv movie in the late ’60s or early 70s.

abolitionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:15:08pm

pimf: Charlton Heston

HappyWarrior Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:16:12pm

re: #75 Shiplord Kirel

I’ve said this a number of times on this board, but I think it bears repeating: In some respects, the Civil War was not that long ago. When I was a child there were people still alive who could remember the Civil War. Our neighbor in Colorado Springs, a Mrs. R, had been born in Washington DC in 1859 and had lived there during the war. Most of a century later, she could vividly recall the sound of artillery in the distance. She could remember seeing President Lincoln in person, especially at his second inauguration in 1865. She was 99 when she passed away in 1959.
Once in a while, I get cold chills thinking about it: I am still here in the 21st century, and might have a good many years left to go, but I personally knew someone who had seen Abe Lincoln in the living flesh with her own eyes.

That’s cool. I always think about my grandmother who was born after Woodrow Wilson was elected in 1912. I think she was able to vote in FDR’s first election. Just an amazing life she lived. She lived to be a great great grandmother.

brookly red Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:17:06pm

re: #75 Shiplord Kirel

and here is where he sometimes drank…

[Link: en.wikipedia.org…]

Surabaya Stew Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:18:20pm

Seeing how migrant works are so often badly treated and exploited today, it seems likely that slavery could have dragged on into the 20th century, were it not for the civil war. Our demand for readily available and cheap agricultural products frequently upends morality.

Gus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:18:53pm

re: #75 Shiplord Kirel

I’ve said this a number of times on this board, but I think it bears repeating: In some respects, the Civil War was not that long ago. When I was a child there were people still alive who could remember the Civil War. Our neighbor in Colorado Springs, a Mrs. R, had been born in Washington DC in 1859 and had lived there during the war. Most of a century later, she could vividly recall the sound of artillery in the distance. She could remember seeing President Lincoln in person, especially at his second inauguration in 1865. She was 99 when she passed away in 1959.
Once in a while, I get cold chills thinking about it: I am still here in the 21st century, and might have a good many years left to go, but I personally knew someone who had seen Abe Lincoln in the living flesh with her own eyes.

Last surviving Union Army member:

Albert Henry Woolson (February 11, 1850? – August 2, 1956), was the last surviving member of the Union Army, which fought in the American Civil War. He was also the last surviving Civil War veteran on either side whose status is currently undisputed. (At least three men who followed him in death claimed to be Confederate veterans, but their status as Civil War veterans is in dispute.)

Woolson was born in Antwerp, New York. His father, Willard Woolson, enlisted in the Union Army. Willard was wounded at the Battle of Shiloh and was transported to an Army hospital in Windom, Minnesota, where he eventually died of his wounds. Albert and his mother moved to Windom to accompany Willard. Albert enlisted as a drummer boy in Company C, 1st Minnesota Heavy Artillery Regiment on October 10, 1864, becoming the company’s drummer. The company never saw action, and Albert Woolson was discharged on September 7, 1865.

Surabaya Stew Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:19:51pm

Migrant Workers I meant,not works!
:-D

HappyWarrior Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:20:02pm

re: #84 Gus 802

Last surviving Union Army member:

What an amazing life: Serves in the civil war, sees the depression, world wars, and the beginning of the cold war.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:20:35pm

re: #76 HappyWarrior

True, true. As a whole I like Old Hickory. I always thought hist story would make an awesome film. Don’t know who you would find to play thim though. His build was very skinny- 6’1 140.

Kate Moss?

Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:20:50pm

re: #61 Shiplord Kirel

I, too, had “Texas history” as a discrete course, distinguished from just plain ol’ “history”. I’ve often wondered (but have been too lazy to investigate) whether students in other states are similarly subjected to “Nebraska history” or the like. Does each state teach its own history separate from history in general?

When I was in public school (small-town Texas, late 70s - mid 80s), anything involving “history” or “science” was invariably taught by a person whose primary job was football coach, presumably because he was on the payroll but not otherwise busy for most of the day. Note: It is factually impossible to overstate the importance (to the natives) of a Texas high school’s football team. (That’s a full-length rant for later.) By no means were these “teachers” necessarily qualified to teach the subjects they taught.

HappyWarrior Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:22:18pm

re: #87 SanFranciscoZionist

Kate Moss?

Haha, oh man. On a serious note, Christian Bale may be a good fit. He’s gotten really skinny before and he’s close in height and we all know he’s capable of having a bad temper.

Gus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:22:25pm

re: #86 HappyWarrior

What an amazing life: Serves in the civil war, sees the depression, world wars, and the beginning of the cold war.

No doubt. Including the technological and social changes that took place. Cute pic of him here.

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:23:04pm

re: #88 negativ

I, too, had “Texas history” as a discrete course, distinguished from just plain ol’ “history”. I’ve often wondered (but have been too lazy to investigate) whether students in other states are similarly subjected to “Nebraska history” or the like. Does each state teach its own history separate from history in general?

When I was in public school (small-town Texas, late 70s - mid 80s), anything involving “history” or “science” was invariably taught by a person whose primary job was football coach, presumably because he was on the payroll but not otherwise busy for most of the day. Note: It is factually impossible to overstate the importance (to the natives) of a Texas high school’s football team. (That’s a full-length rant for later.) By no means were these “teachers” necessarily qualified to teach the subjects they taught.

In fourth grade, California does California history. I did lots of maps of the conquistadores, and there is an infamous project passed from generation to generation that involves making a model of one of the missions.

HappyWarrior Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:24:50pm

re: #90 Gus 802

No doubt. Including the technological and social changes that took place. Cute pic of him here.

Yeah, right now I’m reading a book for my modern Chinese history class about a man who was born a decade or so after the opium wars and lived in to World War II. Real cool to read about people who lived a long time and witnessed such amazing parts of history. My grandmother who I mentioned was 92 when she died right after Bush was inaguarated after his re-election in 2005.

goddamnedfrank Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:27:56pm

re: #50 Caton

In other words, the southern states should have abolished slavery during the 1850s.

As long as we’re talking about what should have happened, during the 1850’s the Southern States should have embraced women’s suffrage, interracial & gay marriage, germ theory, evolution, the metric system, and marijuana. Wasn’t gonna happen, but it’s a nice, if utterly useless thing to contemplate.

HypnoToad Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:28:08pm

re: #91 SanFranciscoZionist

In fourth grade, California does
California history. I did lots of maps of the conquistadores, and there
is an infamous project passed from generation to generation that
involves making a model of one of the missions.

I made one of those… Forget which mission it was now. I do, however, still have the bridge that I built for my high school senior science class. Each one was placed on a scale and loaded with a jack until it broke. Mine made 117 pounds.

Gus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:28:23pm

Video/film of Woolson

Albert Woolson - Last Confirmed US Civil War Veteran

Youtube Video

SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:29:38pm

re: #94 HypnoToad

I made one of those… Forget which mission it was now. I do, however, still have the bridge that I built for my high school senior science class. Each one was placed on a scale and loaded with a jack until it broke. Mine made 117 pounds.

The real problem with the missions project is that stores and websites now sell very professional kits for them, and the parents buy them and help the kids assemble them at home, thereby completely negating the point of the project.

Fourth-grade teachers in California are fighting back, but progress is slow.

Sol Berdinowitz Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:29:52pm

re: #79 abolitionist

I think Charleton Heston portrayed Jackson in a made-for-tv movie in the late ’60s or early 70s.

He played with Yul Brynner as the pirate Jean Lafitte in a movie about the Battle of New Orleans. One of my fave-rave films as a kid

Gus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:32:29pm

Last combat veteran was James A. Hard:

James A. Hard was the last surviving combat veteran of the Civil War. He enlisted in the 32nd New York Infantry, and fought in the Battles of Bull Run, Fredericksburg, Chancellorsville, South Mountain and Antietam. Born in Victor, he died in Rochester in 1953 at the age of 111. He is the oldest male buried in Mt Hope Cemetery.

Image: Hard.JPG

Image: jahard.jpg

Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:33:44pm

re: #98 Gus 802

Last combat veteran was James A. Hard:

Image: Hard.JPG

Image: jahard.jpg

And people say life is short…

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HypnoToad Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:34:42pm

re: #96 SanFranciscoZionist

The real problem with
the missions project is that stores and websites now sell very
professional kits for them, and the parents buy them and help the kids
assemble them at home, thereby completely negating the point of the
project.

Fourth-grade teachers in California are fighting back, but progress is slow.

Do-it-yourself is really out of fashion now. We are now getting fresh-out mechanical engineers at my employer who have never actually built anything themselves! Many are reluctant to even use hand tools without coaching.

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abolitionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:39:29pm

Apparently it was Julian Bond of the NAACP who suggested the name change to Commemoration of Civil War Month, according to a video at Huffington Post. Scroll down to WATCH JULIAN BOND DISCUSS MCDONNELL’S INSENSITIVITY ON ‘COUNTDOWN’ HERE, at about 2:30.

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Gus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:39:44pm

re: #99 Varek Raith

And people say life is short…

His final days were rather difficult.

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SpaceJesus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:43:39pm

any southern dixie white knights show up in this thread yet

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abolitionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:43:41pm

re: #101 abolitionist

Ok, “Civil War in Virginia” month is close to Bond’s suggestion.

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Gus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:44:00pm

re: #103 SpaceJesus

any southern dixie white knights show up in this thread yet

No.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:44:12pm

Do you guys think it is very improper to give a student a book report rubric back with “Oh, hell no!” written on it?

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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:45:18pm

re: #103 SpaceJesus

any southern dixie white knights show up in this thread yet

I like your bombastic commentary.
:)

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Feline Fearless Leader Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:45:20pm

re: #100 HypnoToad

Do-it-yourself is really out of fashion now. We are now getting fresh-out mechanical engineers at my employer who have never actually built anything themselves! Many are reluctant to even use hand tools without coaching.

My niece had a begin of school project for 9th grade and she had to do something to show evolution. Her father didn’t help her build it, but would discuss details and ideas.

She ended up doing a shoebox with the left-to-right indicating the passage of time. The box background changed color to indicate a changing environment. And she used different colored gummy bears to show a species living in the changing environment - some being favored by the background, plus having a hybrid mixed-color gummy bear cropping up part-way through. And to top it off she had a gummy octopus holding a headless gummy in the back to show predation as an adaption pressure.

No idea what grade she got, but she had fun coming up with it and putting it all together.

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jaunte Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:45:23pm

re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist

Seems okay as an intro…

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brookly red Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:45:39pm

re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you guys think it is very improper to give a student a book report rubric back with “Oh, hell no!” written on it?

/only in a public school…

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Gus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:45:42pm

re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you guys think it is very improper to give a student a book report rubric back with “Oh, hell no!” written on it?

Probably. YMMV but you know how things are these days, “hell is of the debil” and all that.

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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:46:00pm

re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you guys think it is very improper to give a student a book report rubric back with “Oh, hell no!” written on it?

Did said student at least put their name on it?
;)

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SpaceJesus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:46:52pm

re: #105 Gus 802

No.

ok, let me know when they rise again

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:47:46pm

re: #112 Varek Raith

Did said student at least put their name on it?
;)

Yes. Thank God.

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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:49:47pm

re: #114 SanFranciscoZionist

Yes. Thank God.

As a joke, since the paper’s due date was on April 1, I submitted an essay in runes of the dragon font.
XD
Image: Runes_of_the_Dragon_font_preview_56605_1.png

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webevintage Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:51:24pm

re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you guys think it is very improper to give a student a book report rubric back with “Oh, hell no!” written on it?

Not in a Catholic school….
;-)

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Gus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:52:12pm

Shut up Ted:

Prompted by oil spill, Unabomber Ted Kaczynski sends an ‘I told you so’ from prison

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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:54:15pm

re: #115 Varek Raith

wut. [sic]

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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:54:41pm

making some spicy chicken strips, the batter dust has got my sinuses in an uproar.

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brookly red Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:55:03pm

re: #117 Gus 802

Shut up Ted:

Prompted by oil spill, Unabomber Ted Kaczynski sends an ‘I told you so’ from prison

sigh… I miss the good old days when rotting in prison meant rotting.

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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:55:36pm

re: #120 brookly red

sigh… I miss the good old days when rotting in prison meant rotting.

He should be in a very high tech cell.
Just to piss him off.

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Gus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:56:14pm

re: #121 Varek Raith

He should be in a very high tech cell.
Just to piss him off.

Here’s your computer Mr. Kaczynski.

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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:57:06pm

re: #122 Gus 802

Here’s your computer Mr. Kaczynski.

//

Knock him out, then he wakes up, ask him if he feels any side effects from the chip implant.

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abolitionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:58:05pm

re: #121 Varek Raith

He should be in a very high tech cell.
Just to piss him off.

You mean like having to curse to get a dispensation of toilet paper?
/Demolition Man ref

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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:58:57pm

re: #124 abolitionist

You mean like having to curse to get a dispensation of toilet paper?
/Demolition Man ref

He doesn’t know how to use the 3 seashells!

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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:59:00pm

re: #124 abolitionist

You mean like having to curse to get a dispensation of toilet paper?
/Demolition Man ref

Yes.
Everything in his cell/daily prison life will be voice activated.
MUHAHAHA!

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Gus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:59:42pm

Harido of the month:

[Link: www.daylife.com…]

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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 12:59:51pm

re: #125 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

He doesn’t know how to use the 3 seashells!

Classic.

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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:00:21pm

re: #120 brookly red

sigh… I miss the good old days when rotting in prison meant rotting.

I miss the good old days when it meant IN PRISON

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Political Atheist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:00:34pm

OT
Just put Picasa 3.8 on my computer. Used it to easily generate sized images for this page for a contemplative moment. Better than Adobe Bridge to dig shots up from 3 big drives.

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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:00:36pm

re: #127 Gus 802

Harido of the month:

[Link: www.daylife.com…]

HOLY CRAP, LADY!
THERE’S A FOX ON YOUR HEAD!
DON’T MOVE!

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Gus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:01:15pm

re: #131 Varek Raith

HOLY CRAP, LADY!
THERE’S A FOX ON YOUR HEAD!
DON’T MOVE!

No doubt it was major test of Michelle’s composure skills.

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Our Precious Bodily Fluids Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:03:01pm

re: #122 Gus 802

Here’s your computer Mr. Kaczynski.

//

Print out and mail to him, one page per day, the entirety of the source code to the4 Linux 2.6.35 kernel.
And I suppose he’s about due to hear a lecture about free software from Richard M. Stallman.

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SanFranciscoZionist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:03:01pm

re: #131 Varek Raith

HOLY CRAP, LADY!
THERE’S A FOX ON YOUR HEAD!
DON’T MOVE!

That’s one hell of hairdo.

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sattv4u2 Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:05:12pm

re: #134 SanFranciscoZionist

That’s one hell of ~~hairdo~~ pet condo.

ftfy

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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:05:56pm

re: #134 SanFranciscoZionist

That’s one hell of hairdo.

Image: crazy_hair_weave_02.jpg
!

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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:06:15pm

A little off base but still some interesting thoughts….
Why Are Conservatives Targeting Muslims? And Why Now?

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Gus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:07:33pm

re: #136 Varek Raith

Image: crazy_hair_weave_02.jpg
!

Image: 610x.jpg

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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:07:34pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

A little off base but still some interesting thoughts…
Why Are Conservatives Targeting Muslims? And Why Now?

Spot on.

Conservatives can do without a god, but they can’t get through the day without a devil. Their entire model of reality revolves around the existence of an existential enemy who’s out to annihilate them. Take that focal point away, and their whole worldview collapses into incoherence. This need is so central to their thinking that if there are no actual enemies around, they’ll go to considerable lengths to make some (or just make some up).

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Varek Raith Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:09:22pm

re: #139 Varek Raith

Spot on.

At least, the leadership anyway.

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Gus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:09:45pm

Seahawks fan.

Image: x610.jpg

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TedStriker Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:10:34pm

re: #74 SanFranciscoZionist

You kind of have to take the good with the bad, with that generation. Jackson could be a total asshole, but he did have distinct badass characteristics.

If any Lizards ever come to Nashville, I recommend a tour of the Hermitage.

/Old Hickory has a posse ;-P

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Killgore Trout Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:11:37pm

re: #139 Varek Raith

Spot on.

She does dismiss the communist enemy which I see as a mistake. The entire reason for the rise of the Birch society is that Beck and Fox have brought communism back from the rave by redefining progressives.
Either way, her central point is correct. Modern conservatism needs an enemy real or imagined.

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Gus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:11:45pm

~~Football~~ Hairball

Image: 610x.jpg

Original page.

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jaunte Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:13:17pm

re: #137 Killgore Trout

A little off base but still some interesting thoughts…
Why Are Conservatives Targeting Muslims? And Why Now?

“For a couple of years around 2008-2009, they tried to ratchet up the liberal-hating.”

Since the main arguments seem to be over how much power the Federal government has vs. the states, and what tax policy is best, this target is probably still the big one.

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Gus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:15:27pm

A kitten and a Marine.

[Link: www.daylife.com…]

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jaunte Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:15:35pm

re: #143 Killgore Trout

// Liberals, progressives, socialists, communists, and Kenyans.

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Political Atheist Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:16:30pm

re: #143 Killgore Trout

IF (huge, granted) sense ever returned to the GOP-strategic opponents and crime still abound. 2 easy big real devils literally incarnate. Like the old school GOP-attack the Commies, crime, and taxes. The commies & criminals are still well worth pursuing. Sensibly arguing tax policy would be fine with me.

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Wozza Matter? Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:17:28pm

may be back later - halfway through a bottle of red wine thats kicking my ass though.

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Nick Schroeder Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:18:44pm

I hate when they thinly veil their racism. It’s always so much more fun to mock them when it’s nice and overt.

In all seriousness, I have no idea what he’s thinking. Perhaps he genuinely is remorseful, and if he is, then at least good on him for attempting to make amends. Of course, being a politician, who the hell knows what his real motivations are other than pandering. I guess it’s kind of sad that this is modestly commendable, but at least he’s not going with the standard Republican playbook option of doing the same stupid, reprehensible thing over and over again and not caring how insensitive or idiotic it makes him look.

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Winny Spencer Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:20:52pm

Some existentialism:

Image: 19990203.jpg

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watching you tiny alien kittens are Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:21:42pm

Gee, and here I was hoping for a “Virginia’s Loss of it’s GOD Given States Rights Under the Bootheel of the Socialistic North” month. Come on Governor McDonnell, tell it how it was, and stop being so P.C.!

/// ;)

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Skeetghazi Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:24:40pm

re: #136 Varek Raith

Image: crazy_hair_weave_02.jpg
!

Check out the fabric of her dress!!!

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brookly red Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:25:53pm

Oh crap… Jason Mattera has a radio show on WABC. When did this happen?

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Gus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:29:05pm

re: #154 brookly red

Oh crap… Jason Mattera has a radio show on WABC. When did this happen?

This month…

[Link: www.mediabistro.com…]

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Kragar (Antichrist ) Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:34:03pm

Tired of ‘tea party’ sniping, moderates organize

Reporting from Washington— Galvanized by the lightning-in-a-bottle success of conservative “tea party” candidates, moderate Republicans and others in the political center are looking for ways to push back against what they see as an advancing tide of ideological extremism.

The efforts are loosely organized and embryonic, but politicians, advocacy groups and others are piecing together a framework to promote moderate candidates and advance positions they say have been eclipsed by partisan sniping on the right and left.

“Middle America is being ignored by Washington and the media. Centrists are desperate for a voice today; they feel entirely unrepresented,” said Mark McKinnon, a political strategist and former advisor to President George W. Bush.

“The tea party has tapped into voter frustration and anger,” he said, “but does not represent millions of Americans in the vast middle.”

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brookly red Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:34:56pm

re: #156 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Tired of ‘tea party’ sniping, moderates organize

Decaf tea?

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Gus Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:42:39pm

W.T.F.

Bank appointed as disabled man’s conservator fought him, then billed him

For 10 weeks, Matthew Keenan lay in a coma, the victim of a hospital error that plunged him into respiratory arrest and cut off oxygen to his brain. A judge appointed his mother to serve as guardian and conservator for her comatose 37-year-old son. Twice, his father called a priest to perform last rites. Then he awoke.

[…]

The bank chosen to manage his money jumped into the case, allying itself with his guardian. Both billed him for the time they spent challenging him in court.

In Colorado, a judge may appoint a guardian to make decisions about the home, medical care and basic needs of an “incapacitated” person — an adult suffering from dementia, for example. A conservator manages the incapacitated adult’s money and property.

Both are obliged to pursue the protected person’s best interests.

But in Keenan’s case, his bid to lose his guardian and conservator escalated into a nasty, costly court fight.

Although Keenan’s guardian resigned months later, his conservator — Colorado State Bank and Trust — has charged almost $300,000 for litigation costs before and after a judge summarily replaced it.

Keenan, now 45 years old, came away from a crippling hospital experience with a settlement that provided about $2.6 million, money intended to last a lifetime. Now he is risking yet more of that estate in case he loses another round in court.

“I’m grieved,” he said. “It’s left my soul and my heart hardened to the process. I just can’t believe I’m having to pay them to fight me.”

[…]

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goddamnedfrank Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:43:47pm

re: #157 brookly red

Decaf tea?

Grain alcohol and rainwater.

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brookly red Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:44:36pm

re: #159 goddamnedfrank

Grain alcohol and rainwater.

I already there…

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morrisab Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:47:30pm

re: #100 HypnoToad

Do-it-yourself is really out of fashion now. We are now getting fresh-out mechanical engineers at my employer who have never actually built anything themselves! Many are reluctant to even use hand tools without coaching.

And this is why my son chose a school that has, if not a hands-on component, a mandatory co-op component for the engineering majors…

re: #106 SanFranciscoZionist

Do you guys think it is very improper to give a student a book report rubric back with “Oh, hell no!” written on it?

I hate to be having what sounds like a “Get off my lawn!” moment but I took a course this summer, a course for juniors/seniors in history. For the first assignment, an annotated bibliography, 8 of 12 turned it in. Of those 8, only two people, myself and the other “nontraditional” student (i.e., over 30), put our names on it.

HOW ARE YOU GOING TO GET A GRADE IF YOUR NAME IS NOT ON THE PAPER???

Sorry. I’m going to go have a margarita now and calm down. Again.

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Bear Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:51:09pm

re: #159 goddamnedfrank

If you required fresh fallen rainwater and were up in this neck of the woods you would have been up the famous creek without any means of propulsion for early two weeks. Though normally you would have fresh rain water most days this year.

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austin_blue Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:52:24pm

Some call it the Wo-wah Between The States.

Others, The War of Yankee Aggression.

Heritage, not hate, dontcha know…

Good afternoon all, and boy did UCLA hand Texas its ass yesterday. We’re just not very good, yet.

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Ojoe Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:52:35pm

Abraham Lincoln enters Richmond, Virginia.

The slave heritage resource center.

Photographs of slaves

Slave ships

This is all from a great site called “sonofthesouth dot net”

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Bear Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:53:36pm

Re 162 early = nearly
Too light on the keyboard!

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Vicious Babushka Sun, Sep 26, 2010 1:56:26pm

Here is a good Civil War resource, sponsored by the Zionist Mall:

Jews in the Civil War

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TedStriker Sun, Sep 26, 2010 3:48:13pm

re: #158 Gus 802

W.T.F.

Bank appointed as disabled man’s conservator fought him, then billed him

Talk about gross conflict of interest…what a bunch of scumbags.

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Steve Dutch Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:07:22am

We have one of two choices. Either the Civil War was about slavery, which every history book until recently said, which tens of thousands of newspapers and letters of the time said, and which several of the states’ declarations of secession explicitly said.

But that will get you slammed in a lot of college history classes, because there’s a class of historians who regard moral causes like opposition to slavery as “epiphenomena.” That is, it’s a superficial phenomenon, and the real cause was economics, like the growing economic disparity between north and south.

The Civil War can’t simultaneously be about slavery and not about slavery. So if the Civil War really was about slavery after all, then the “epiphenomenon” historians are actually crackpot conspiracy thinkers: the obvious cause wasn’t the real cause.

Frankly, I like that option.

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