Sharron Angle: Autism is a ‘Politically Correct Special Interest’

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Sharron Angle is just one of the many GOP far right extremists running for office this election, and her latest statements show how far out of the mainstream she really is — calling autism and maternity benefits “politically correct special interests:” Angle: Insurance mandates are product of government bowing to ‘politically correct special interest’.

“We know that if we could have that affordability across state lines, you’re not, you’re not afraid of competition I know you’re not, you would in fact invite it. I have friends in other states that say “you know I’d like to come to Nevada, but you have problems there in Nevada. And one of the problems is unfunded, well they are unfunded, but these mandates on insurance companies to provide coverage for things that people don’t even really need! And what we need to do is get rid of those mandates, let you provide a comprehensive coverage that takes care of what people need and allows them to buy them the things that they have to have, not things that are mandated by the government. A similar policy, as the things that people write for car insurance, and life insurance, you know you write something that fits the need of a person rather than fitting what the government has done for some politically correct special interest and that’s how we got those mandates.”

Here’s video of Angle mocking health care coverage for autism and maternity leave, making an “air quote” gesture as she says “autism.”

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155 comments
1 jaunte  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:13:02am

Family values!

2 SanFranciscoZionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:13:26am

I don't know why, but the finger quotes make me absolutely crazy.

3 Kragar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:14:00am

"Autism", like "Evolution" and "Global Warming", are just fancy science terms. Everyone knows some people are just being punished by God according to his plan and don't need fancy "medical treatments".

4 Sol Berdinowitz  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:14:35am

There was a time when a child's handicaps were looked on as God's punishment being visited on the parents for being sinful. Or should I say there still is a time when people look on autism that way?

5 jaunte  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:15:52am
And one of the problems is unfunded, well they are unfunded, but these mandates on insurance companies to provide coverage for things that people don’t even really need!


Angle doesn't appear to understand the idea of shared risk.

6 Kragar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:16:06am

re: #4 ralphieboy

There was a time when a child's handicaps were looked on as God's punishment being visited on the parents for being sinful. Or should I say there still is a time when people look on autism that way?

Chaining them up in the basement and repeating Bible verses at them was good enough for our fore fathers and its good enough for us today!

/

7 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:16:10am

re: #4 ralphieboy

There was a time when a child's handicaps were looked on as God's punishment being visited on the parents for being sinful. Or should I say there still is a time when people look on autism that way?

I thought Christ settled that during his time on earth?

[Link: scriptures.lds.org...]

8 jamesfirecat  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:16:41am

re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Autism", like "Evolution" and "Global Warming", are just fancy science terms. Everyone knows some people are just being punished by God according to his plan and don't need fancy "medical treatments".

This dove tails scarily well with certain other crazy beliefs.

If you think that human medicine is more powerful than the will of god and dare to have your children vaccinated the lord above will strike them down with a horrible disease!

9 Randall Gross  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:16:46am

I think the proper response is a video of parents with real autistic children calling this _____ out.

10 Kragar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:17:18am

re: #5 jaunte

Angle doesn't appear to understand the idea of shared risk.

EOL

11 pharmmajor  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:19:53am

I said it before, I'll say it again: FUCK THIS WORTHLESS BITCH!

12 elizajane  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:20:21am

That's fine, Sharon. Autistic people don't want to chip in for your mental health care either.

13 Interesting Times  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:20:23am

re: #2 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know why, but the finger quotes make me absolutely crazy.

Remember when Jon Stewart called them as "dick fingers"? Classic (it was in reference to John McCain's abominable "health" of the mother abortion comments during one of the 2008 debates).

14 pharmmajor  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:20:41am

re: #8 jamesfirecat

This dove tails scarily well with certain other crazy beliefs.

If you think that human medicine is more powerful than the will of god and dare to have your children vaccinated the lord above will strike them down with a horrible disease!

Wait... I thought it was the far left that was anti-vaccination.

15 DaddyG  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:21:13am

re: #2 SanFranciscoZionist

I don't know why, but the "finger quotes" make me absolutely "crazy".

Put some scare quotes on it for ya!

16 Lidane  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:21:50am

I can't believe this woman is running neck and neck with Harry Reid. I mean, I know the guy's hated in Nevada, but do people really want to send this lunatic to the Senate in his place?

17 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:21:58am

How long before Angle stops the Las Vegas Sun and other local papers from covering her bad crazy?

18 Charles Johnson  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:22:43am

I can't believe how hot it is in LA today.

19 iossarian  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:23:04am

Harry Reid just moved ahead of the Russian stewardess who survived a 10,000 foot fall without a parachute, to the #2 spot in the "world's luckiest people" rankings.

He now only trails Lyle Lovett (1993-95).

20 Kragar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:23:31am

re: #14 pharmmajor

Wait... I thought it was the far left that was anti-vaccination.

You have those who think natural medicines are the way to go, since all modern medicines are based on corporate greed, and then you have those who think God is the best medicine, because doctors place too much faith in science.

21 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:23:37am

re: #14 pharmmajor

Wait... I thought it was the far left that was anti-vaccination.

No, it's the Far Stoopid that is anti-vax. Modern medicine is part of that Progressive shtick.

22 Shiplord Kirel  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:24:05am

Imagine the whole country run by people like this. Actually, a good many people have imagined it over the years. It is a whole genre of literature called dystopian fiction.

23 Kragar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:24:18am

re: #18 Charles

I can't believe how hot it is in LA today.

I heard 108 to 113 there. Here is supposed to be between 96 and 104.

24 Political Atheist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:24:58am

Please keep doing public speeches. One after another. Right up until you lose the freaking election because nobody else believes your crap.

Oh and I think there a lot of folks who will say Angle to a pollster and not push that button. Just sayin.

25 Lidane  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:26:29am

re: #14 pharmmajor

Wait... I thought it was the far left that was anti-vaccination.

Quite a few of the Bircher morans have been anti-vaccine for ages. It dovetails with that whole anti-fluoride garbage of theirs. Vaccines are just another form of chemical mind control that the gubmint is using to gain control over the citizenry, don'tcha know.

26 Stanghazi  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:26:43am

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I heard 108 to 113 there. Here is supposed to be between 96 and 104.

so far it's 98 here. was 95 at 930 am. yuck

27 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:28:24am

re: #14 pharmmajor

Wait... I thought it was the far left that was anti-vaccination.

[Link: blogs.abcnews.com...]

McCain said, per ABC News' Bret Hovell, that "It’s indisputable that (autism) is on the rise amongst children, the question is what’s causing it. And we go back and forth and there’s strong evidence that indicates that it’s got to do with a preservative in vaccines."

McCain said there’s "divided scientific opinion" on the matter, with "many on the other side that are credible scientists that are saying that’s not the cause of it."


He's totally wrong, of course.

28 What, me worry?  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:28:32am

re: #3 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

"Autism", like "Evolution" and "Global Warming", are just fancy science terms. Everyone knows some people are just being punished by God according to his plan and don't need fancy "medical treatments".

Speaking of punished by God... making fun of the autistic? Saying they really don't exist - at least not as much as SHE has to pay for them - she oughta watch for stray lightening.

Wonder if she pays for car insurance. You know her premiums are determined by how many OTHERS have crashes.

But who wants to pay for the old, poor and sick anyway! I'll never be old, poor and sick!

Oooo I'd be watching for that stray lightening.

29 rwdflynavy  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:29:10am

I have a 12 year old son with autism. Ms. Angle is welcome to come take a look and tell me if he is faking it. He must be a remarkable actor to stay in character this long.

What an imbecile.

30 William of Orange  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:29:13am

|I wonder what Palin would think...

You cannot mock ridicule autism!!!

(Unless you're republican or TP.)

31 pharmmajor  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:29:17am

re: #18 Charles

I can't believe how hot it is in LA today.

Audience: How hot is it?!

32 abolitionist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:30:56am

re: #18 Charles

I can't believe how hot it is in LA today.

My weather widget says 108 for LA. (Fahrenheit, just to be clear.)

33 dr. luba  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:31:01am

re: #5 jaunte

Angle doesn't appear to understand the idea of shared risk.

Real conservatives don't share risk. Just ask Ayn Rand. Or Rand Paul. Let those leeching moms and autistic kids fend for themselves, just like

Supply Side Jesus
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intended.

34 pharmmajor  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:31:31am

re: #33 dr. luba

Real conservatives don't share risk. Just ask Ayn Rand. Or Rand Paul. Let those leeching moms and autistic kids fend for themselves, just like

intended.

Ayn Rand wasn't a conservative; she was a hardline objectivist.

35 iossarian  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:31:40am

re: #33 dr. luba

Supply Side Jesus is hilarious.

36 Mr. Hammer  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:31:46am

"...everything they want to throw at us is covered under "autism"..."

huh?

37 goddamnedfrank  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:31:49am

re: #23 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I heard 108 to 113 there. Here is supposed to be between 96 and 104.

It's 99 here in the Simi Underbelly.

38 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:32:17am

re: #28 marjoriemoon

Even from just a cruel financial perspective: Treating autistic people is way cheaper than dealing with the violent outbursts that would result in untreated autistics. Even if you don't give a crap about them as humans, it makes perfect fiscal conservative sense to help them.

39 dr. luba  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:33:42am

re: #18 Charles

I can't believe how hot it is in LA today.

Come visit the midwest. I'm in Michigan, and had to turn on the furnace last night. It's now a balmy 60 degrees out......

40 DaddyG  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:34:10am

Autism is probably being diagnosed more these days as the science behind how the mind and body work together improves. Treatment should follow suit for severely debilitating diseases like Autism.

I wonder if Angle would be willing to put her opinion on the line where her constituents can take control over spiraling medical costs. Overweight, underrested, overindulged adults who insist they have a pill to cure their every little complaint.

41 jaunte  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:35:38am

re: #26 Stanley Sea

74 degrees and 49% humidity in Houston today. This is one of those days I trick new hires into moving down here.

42 darthstar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:35:40am

If only Sharron Angle could run for Senate in every state this year. Though Rand Paul is starting to pay dividends in Kentucky, and Christine O'Donnell is a fucking gift.

43 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:35:41am

re: #38 Obdicut

Even from just a cruel financial perspective: Treating autistic people is way cheaper than dealing with the violent outbursts that would result in untreated autistics. Even if you don't give a crap about them as humans, it makes perfect fiscal conservative sense to help them.

In healthcare across the board generally it makes fiscal sense to treat someone with a course of cheap generic antibiotics early rather than rabidly insist that America has the greatest healthcare system in the world because the ER will treat that same person instead 2 months down the line, now unemployed and half dead..............

These people just do not connect the dots.

44 dr. luba  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:35:48am

re: #34 pharmmajor

Ayn Rand wasn't a conservative; she was a hardline objectivist.

I guess then objectivism must be another way of saying "Fuck you, I've got mine."

45 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:37:01am

In nominating Angle and Reid, Nevadans have done themselves and the nation a grave disservice.

46 dr. luba  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:37:02am

re: #43 wozzablog

These people just do not connect the dots.

It is not their job to connect the dots. The dot should show some initiative and connect themselves.

47 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:37:37am

re: #46 dr. luba

It is not their job to connect the dots. The dot should show some initiative and connect themselves.

it soviet russia dot connect you.................

48 Lidane  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:37:48am

re: #44 dr. luba

I guess then objectivism must be another way of saying "Fuck you, I've got mine."

Pretty much. Except that Ayn Rand took hundreds of pages of tedious, mind-numbing writing to say it.

49 Brother Holy Cruise Missile of Mild Acceptance  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:38:05am

re: #18 Charles

No better down here in Newport Beach. Yesterday it was 103 where i live in lakewood, decided to head to san pedro to eat at the fish market figuring it would be cooler, was 101 there.

50 Mr. Hammer  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:38:22am

I think she might be trying to argue that insurers shoud be allowed to write policies that exclude coverage for things like autism and maternity... for people who don't need coverage for those conditions...

Is that it?

“We know that if we could have that affordability across state lines, you’re not, you’re not afraid of competition I know you’re not, you would in fact invite it. I have friends in other states that say “you know I’d like to come to Nevada, but you have problems there in Nevada. And one of the problems is unfunded, well they are unfunded, but these mandates on insurance companies to provide coverage for things that people don’t even really need! And what we need to do is get rid of those mandates, let you provide a comprehensive coverage that takes care of what people need and allows them to buy them the things that they have to have, not things that are mandated by the government. A similar policy, as the things that people write for car insurance, and life insurance, you know you write something that fits the need of a person rather than fitting what the government has done for some politically correct special interest and that’s how we got those mandates.”

51 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:40:13am

re: #45 Taqyia2Me

In nominating Angle, Nevadans have done themselves and the nation a grave disservice shot themselves in the fucking foot.

Don't bother to thank me.

52 Kragar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:42:15am

I believe the proper term for the current CA heatwave is "hotter than a snake's ass in a wagon rut."

53 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:42:23am

I like it when the crazy, and the racism, and the ignorance and the religious bigotry are clear and pure. It's been a good year.

54 Political Atheist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:42:37am

This hot.

107 downtown!

55 Wozza Matter?  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:43:54am

re: #53 Decatur Deb

I like it when the crazy, and the racism, and the ignorance and the religious bigotry are clear and pure. It's been a good year.

Any year any party can conspire to pick a worse candidate than HArry Reid is a good year, it continues to prove my theory that stupid pit is bottomless.

56 Mostly sane, most of the time.  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:43:55am

re: #45 Taqyia2Me

In nominating Angle and Reid, Nevadans have done themselves and the nation a grave disservice.

Nevada is a big state full of lots of intelligent people. I've been trying to figure out where those people are.

Working in the private sector, I imagine.

57 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:44:53am

re: #34 pharmmajor

Ayn Rand wasn't a conservative; she was a hardline objectivist.

Ms. Rand was the Marxist equivalent of a Satanist. She accepted the theology and inverted it so that bad became good and good became bad.

And people give her props for original thinking. Oy vay iz mir.

58 Nick Schroeder  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:45:48am

My god.

The stupid.... it burns.

59 What, me worry?  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:46:12am

re: #38 Obdicut

Even from just a cruel financial perspective: Treating autistic people is way cheaper than dealing with the violent outbursts that would result in untreated autistics. Even if you don't give a crap about them as humans, it makes perfect fiscal conservative sense to help them.

It doesn't matter. They don't want to pay for services they don't use. That's the bottom line.

"Why should I pay for crack whores with gold teeth and a Mercedes." Because, in their lily white, elitist world, all welfare recipients have gold teeth and a Mercedes. If you're on welfare, if you take money from the state for anything, you are an undeserving piece of dirt. They work for a living, and you don't. Healthcare, welfare, it's all the same thing.

How very Christian of them.

60 shutdown  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:46:25am

re: #57 Romantic Heretic

Ms. Rand was the Marxist equivalent of a Satanist. She accepted the theology and inverted it so that bad became good and good became bad.

And people give her props for original thinking. Oy vay iz mir.

Reading your analogy has made my eyes bleed. Not that it is wrong. Just torturous...

61 shutdown  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:48:08am

re: #59 marjoriemoon

It doesn't matter. They don't want to pay for services they don't use. That's the bottom line.

"Why should I pay for crack whores with gold teeth and a Mercedes." Because, in their lily white, elitist world, all welfare recipients have gold teeth and a Mercedes. If you're on welfare, if you take money from the state for anything, you are an undeserving piece of dirt. They work for a living, and you don't. Healthcare, welfare, it's all the same thing.

How very Christian of them.

Well put. In addition, Angle's statements lay bare a profound ignorance as to the theory underlying insurance.

62 Romantic Heretic  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:48:10am

re: #60 imp_62

Reading your analogy has made my eyes bleed. Not that it is wrong. Just torturous...

Then my work here is done. /

63 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:48:16am

re: #59 marjoriemoon

It doesn't matter. They don't want to pay for services they don't use. That's the bottom line.

..snip

I've never been in an ambulance. I want 50 years of ambulance taxes back.

64 allegro  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:48:47am

Another dish from the Palin Word Salad Bar. Holy moly.

65 Kragar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:49:29am

re: #63 Decatur Deb

I've never been in an ambulance. I want 50 years of ambulance taxes back.

I've been twice. I'm in your ambulance, stealing your services!

66 shutdown  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:50:19am

re: #65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've been twice. I'm in your ambulance, stealing your services!

L.M.F.O. laugh out loud funny, my friend

67 shutdown  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:51:09am

re: #66 imp_62

L.M.F.O. laugh out loud funny, my friend

I missed the "A" cuz my eyes are bleeding....

68 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:51:37am

re: #65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've been twice. I'm in your ambulance, stealing your services!

All your EMT are belong to us!!

69 shutdown  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:52:20am

re: #65 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I've been twice. I'm in your ambulance, stealing your services!

All things being equal, I would rather be a net payer into the insurance pool.

70 lawhawk  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:53:03am

re: #27 Obdicut

That's from a 2008 outtake, when the discredited Wakefield studies weren't yet withdrawn, discredited and completely eviscerated by the Lancet which originally published them or various academic panels that took Wakefield out behind the woodshed for engaging in all manner of impropriety with those studies.

Since then, numerous studies have shown no links between vaccines and autism. Moreover, no links have been shown between thimerosol and autism - and thimerosol has been taken out of vaccines for years - yet there is still as many or more cases diagnosed each year.

Does McCain still think that there's an autism-vaccine link? I don't know.

71 allegro  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:53:21am

re: #59 marjoriemoon

It doesn't matter. They don't want to pay for services they don't use. That's the bottom line.

They don't want to pay for the services they DO use. They seem incapable of recognizing all of the things taxes pay for that provide necessary roads, water, fire and police protection, education, libraries, safe food and drugs, on and on. Not for them of course, those hearty souls who EARN their way and do it ALL on their own.

72 garhighway  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:53:35am

re: #61 imp_62

Well put. In addition, Angle's statements lay bare a profound ignorance as to the theory underlying insurance.

Substitute pretty much any other word for "insurance" (like science, economics, politics, law, media...) and you have the all-purpose Sharon Angle sentence!

73 Kragar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:53:51am

re: #69 imp_62

All things being equal, I would rather be a net payer into the insurance pool.

Well, the first time, it was a military ambulance, but the second time, I got charged something like $400 bucks for it.

74 What, me worry?  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:53:57am

re: #50 Mr. Hammer

I think she might be trying to argue that insurers shoud be allowed to write policies that exclude coverage for things like autism and maternity... for people who don't need coverage for those conditions...

Is that it?

“We know that if we could have that affordability across state lines, you’re not, you’re not afraid of competition I know you’re not, you would in fact invite it. I have friends in other states that say “you know I’d like to come to Nevada, but you have problems there in Nevada. And one of the problems is unfunded, well they are unfunded, but these mandates on insurance companies to provide coverage for things that people don’t even really need! And what we need to do is get rid of those mandates, let you provide a comprehensive coverage that takes care of what people need and allows them to buy them the things that they have to have, not things that are mandated by the government. A similar policy, as the things that people write for car insurance, and life insurance, you know you write something that fits the need of a person rather than fitting what the government has done for some politically correct special interest and that’s how we got those mandates.”

If she's arguing about insurance over state lines which btw, was practically the only contribution that the Republicans made to the Healthcare bill, she's even more of an idiot. Unless the insurance industry drastically changes their regulatory practices, you can't insure over state lines without serious questions of coverage and protection.

[Link: www.kaiserhealthnews.org...]

75 shutdown  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:54:29am

re: #73 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Well, the first time, it was a military ambulance, but the second time, I got charged something like $400 bucks for it.

Dammit, Decatur and I PAID for that ride. I want my tax and insurance money back.

76 Kragar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:56:01am

re: #75 imp_62

Dammit, Decatur and I PAID for that ride. I want my tax and insurance money back.

You can have your money back when you've pried my cold dead lips off the Government Teat.

77 What, me worry?  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:56:31am

re: #71 allegro

They don't want to pay for the services they DO use. They seem incapable of recognizing all of the things taxes pay for that provide necessary roads, water, fire and police protection, education, libraries, safe food and drugs, on and on. Not for them of course, those hearty souls who EARN their way and do it ALL on their own.

Yes, and there's that.

78 shutdown  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:57:01am

re: #76 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

You can have your money back when you've pried my cold dead lips off the Government Teat.

That does it. I am going to find a Tea Party right now. Or a gin mill. Better, a gin mill, actually.

79 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:57:08am

re: #45 Taqyia2Me

In nominating Angle and Reid, Nevadans have done themselves and the nation a grave disservice.

is this some magical balance fairy Reid is as bad as Angle stuff here?

80 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:57:24am

re: #70 lawhawk

If you read the article, actually, you'll find that what McCain said was still totally wrong.


Moreover, those scientists and organizations fear that powerful people lending credence to the thimerosal theory could dissuade parents from getting their children immunized -- which in their view would lead to a very real health crisis.

The Centers for Disease Control says "There is no convincing scientific evidence of harm caused by the low doses of thimerosal in vaccines, except for minor reactions like redness and swelling at the injection site."

The American Academy of Pediatrics says"No scientific data link thimerosal used as a preservative in vaccines with any pediatric neurologic disorder, including autism."

The Food and Drug Administration conducted a review in 1999 -- the year thimerosal was ordered to be removed from most vaccines -- and said that it "found no evidence of harm from the use of thimerosal as a vaccine preservative, other than local hypersensitivity reactions."

The Institute of Medicine’s Immunization Safety Review Committee concluded "that the body of epidemiological evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism."

And a study of California Department of Developmental Services data published last month indicated that there was "an increase in autism in California despite the removal of thimerosal from most vaccines."


So sorry, there was never any reason for McCain to think that the scientific community was 'divided' on the subject. There had been plenty of research done already.

81 Mr. Hammer  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:58:10am

I don't know anything about Ms Angle. Perhaps she is evil and ignorant as some people say, but I think that here she is arguing about the cost of medical insurance and the 100's of government mandates that drive the cost of insurance up....

FWIW, here is an article with some links that address both sides of the issue.
[Link: healthinsurance.about.com...]

82 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:58:25am

re: #79 WindUpBird

is this some magical balance fairy Reid is as bad as Angle stuff here?

No. It's just true. Reid sucks. Angle is crazy. Reid still sucks.

I would have rather had a sane GOP member elected than Reid re-elected, but this doesn't appear to be the year where there is such thing as a sane GOP member.

83 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:58:45am

re: #80 Obdicut

McCain talking out of his ass? I've never heard of such a thing!

Remember when he was going to save the economy? :D

84 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:59:05am

re: #82 Obdicut

No. It's just true. Reid sucks. Angle is crazy. Reid still sucks.

I would have rather had a sane GOP member elected than Reid re-elected, but this doesn't appear to be the year where there is such thing as a sane GOP member.

Well, Reid sucks, but he's not BONKERS :D

85 abbyadams  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:59:35am

I'd vote for Temple Grandin over Angle any day of the week.

86 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:59:37am

re: #81 Mr. Hammer

Why do you think she made scare quotes when she said autism, then?

87 rwdflynavy  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 11:59:56am

re: #79 WindUpBird

is this some magical balance fairy Reid is as bad as Angle stuff here?

Sad to say, I'm now fully behind Reid's reelection. That is truly depressing...

88 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:00:22pm

re: #81 Mr. Hammer

maybe read up on Angle, maybe do that first

89 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:01:17pm

re: #87 rwdflynavy

Sad to say, I'm now fully behind Reid's reelection. That is truly depressing...

Really is a hell of a forced choice down there *_*

90 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:01:41pm

re: #87 rwdflynavy

Sad to say, I'm now fully behind Reid's reelection. That is truly depressing...

Cry me a river. I'm going to have to vote for that dumb son of a bitch Bobby Bright.

91 Kragar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:01:56pm

re: #81 Mr. Hammer

I don't know anything about Ms Angle. Perhaps she is evil and ignorant as some people say, but I think that here she is arguing about the cost of medical insurance and the 100's of government mandates that drive the cost of insurance up...

FWIW, here is an article with some links that address both sides of the issue.
[Link: healthinsurance.about.com...]

Perhaps you should read up on Angle

92 Mr. Hammer  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:03:46pm

re: #74 marjoriemoon

If she's arguing about insurance over state lines which btw, was practically the only contribution that the Republicans made to the Healthcare bill, she's even more of an idiot. Unless the insurance industry drastically changes their regulatory practices, you can't insure over state lines without serious questions of coverage and protection.

[Link: www.kaiserhealthnews.org...]

I think this goes to the heart of her argument. Insurance is regulated at the state level, and each state has its own bundle of mandated coverage....

93 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:03:53pm

Well, this is creepy: [Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

94 shutdown  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:04:37pm

Angle et al are all tapping into the same dark sentiments. A little bit of anti-Affirmative Action, a little bit of general inferiority-complex driven racism, insecurity regarding the economy, feelings of helplessness. I think of it as very pure populism, before that term became slightly overused.

Insurance companies, banks and the government are the lightning rods today. Yesterday, it was Jews and Blacks. Tomorrow? Who knows.

95 shutdown  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:05:49pm

re: #82 Obdicut

No. It's just true. Reid sucks. Angle is crazy. Reid still sucks.

I would have rather had a sane GOP member elected than Reid re-elected, but this doesn't appear to be the year where there is such thing as a sane GOP member.

There are sane Republicans. They just can't believe the sentiment in the party base has changed as drastically as it has. Out of touch and slow to respond.

96 Mr. Hammer  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:06:28pm

re: #86 Obdicut

Why do you think she made scare quotes when she said autism, then?

Listen to what she said. The context is unclear, but she says something about: "everything they want to throw at us is covered under "autism"..."

I don't think she is mocking autism, or using scare quotes.

97 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:07:30pm

re: #96 Mr. Hammer

Listen to what she said. The context is unclear, but she says something about: "everything they want to throw at us is covered under "autism"..."

I don't think she is mocking autism, or using scare quotes.

Let's go to the video...

98 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:07:34pm

re: #96 Mr. Hammer

But what on earth do you think she means by 'everything they want to throw at us is covered under autism"?

because that's a crazy statement, to me. How is it a reasonable one to you?

99 shutdown  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:07:50pm

re: #96 Mr. Hammer

Listen to what she said. The context is unclear, but she says something about: "everything they want to throw at us is covered under "autism"..."

I don't think she is mocking autism, or using scare quotes.

The alternative is that she is simply stupid and uninformed. Either way, she ifails at being a compassionate human being with the fundamental tools required to govern.

100 garhighway  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:08:40pm

re: #92 Mr. Hammer

I think this goes to the heart of her argument. Insurance is regulated at the state level, and each state has its own bundle of mandated coverage...

You are missing the point. The reason that the health insurance industry and their GOP shills like the idea is that it allows the insurers to pick the weak regulators and avoid the strong ones. That triggers the "race to the bottom", with each carrier running to the least effective regulator to approve its new way to bone its cardholders.

That road does not lead to greater transparency or stronger coverage: it leads to a higher price per share and more sick people getting screwed.

101 Mr. Hammer  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:08:50pm

re: #88 WindUpBird

maybe read up on Angle, maybe do that first

I'm only addressing the content of the video, and I don't see the mockery or the ignorance. Whether you agree with her or not, I think she is simply trying to make a case for reducing government mandates as a means to reduce the cost of insurance.

102 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:10:29pm

re: #101 Mr. Hammer

I'm only addressing the content of the video, and I don't see the mockery or the ignorance. Whether you agree with her or not, I think she is simply trying to make a case for reducing government mandates as a means to reduce the cost of insurance.

Freeze-frame the damn video at :22.

103 Taqyia2Me  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:10:52pm

re: #79 WindUpBird

is this some magical balance fairy Reid is as bad as Angle stuff here?

Nope, it's the lesser-known magical both candidates suck fairy!

104 Mr. Hammer  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:11:28pm

re: #99 imp_62

The alternative is that she is simply stupid and uninformed. Either way, she ifails at being a compassionate human being with the fundamental tools required to govern.

I disagree Imp. I think she is making a case for reducing mandates in order to reduce cost to the folks. That's all.

105 Mr. Hammer  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:12:54pm

re: #102 Decatur Deb

Freeze-frame the damn video at :22.

I see the hand movement. That's not the point. Listen to what she is saying. She says " everything they want to throw at us is covered under "autism"...".

Perhaps she means that "autism" is being used as a catch all for a variety of medical conditions.

106 shutdown  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:12:59pm

re: #104 Mr. Hammer

Reducing mandates does not lead inexorably to a reduction of costs. One way or another, society pays for the sick and poor. I would rather it be done in a civilized, humane, and dignified fashion.

107 garhighway  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:13:45pm

re: #104 Mr. Hammer

I disagree Imp. I think she is making a case for reducing mandates in order to reduce cost coverage to the folks. That's all.

FTFY

108 Mar  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:15:37pm

Douche-bag. That is all I have to say about this female.

109 Gus  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:15:43pm

When did autism become a conspiracy theory? Is this some kind of John Birch Society thing or did Republican, Sharron Angle, come up with this conspiracy herself.

No doubt the wingnuts will be following in lockstep with this conspiracy as they have been doing with previous candidate this year.

110 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:17:14pm

re: #109 Gus 802

When did autism become a conspiracy theory? Is this some kind of John Birch Society thing or did Republican, Sharron Angle, come up with this conspiracy herself.

No doubt the wingnuts will be following in lockstep with this conspiracy as they have been doing with previous candidate this year.

Rush or one of the AM radio crapheads have been pushing that autism often is just poor classoom discipline.

111 Mr. Hammer  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:17:27pm

re: #106 imp_62

Reducing mandates does not lead inexorably to a reduction of costs. One way or another, society pays for the sick and poor. I would rather it be done in a civilized, humane, and dignified fashion.

But Imp, from what I see, there are literally 1000's of mandates - for everything imaginable. And they vary from state to state. I'm not talking about taxes. or Medicare. We're talking about when you or I go to buy insurance and are forced to pay for coverage for things we will never need.... Isn't that an issue worth taking a look at as a way of reducing the cost?

112 garhighway  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:18:31pm

re: #111 Mr. Hammer

But Imp, from what I see, there are literally 1000's of mandates - for everything imaginable. And they vary from state to state. I'm not talking about taxes. or Medicare. We're talking about when you or I go to buy insurance and are forced to pay for coverage for things we will never need... Isn't that an issue worth taking a look at as a way of reducing the cost?

Repeat after me: "Race to the bottom."

113 Gus  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:18:33pm

re: #110 Decatur Deb

Rush or one of the AM radio crapheads have been pushing that autism often is just poor classoom discipline.

Ah, OK.

How many children does Rush Limbaugh have?

114 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:20:12pm

re: #111 Mr. Hammer

What on earth are you babbling about, dude?

Can you name one of these mandates?

115 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:21:08pm

re: #110 Decatur Deb

Rush or one of the AM radio crapheads have been pushing that autism often is just poor classoom discipline.

Here's one. There are more, including Limbaugh, in easy reach.

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

116 celticdragon  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:22:07pm

re: #9 Thanos

I think the proper response is a video of parents with real autistic children calling this ___ out.

Count me in. My son is autistic.

This bitch is beneath contempt.

117 Gus  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:22:19pm

re: #115 Decatur Deb

Here's one. There are more, including Limbaugh, in easy reach.

[Link: mediamatters.org...]

That was quick! Was just about to post that.

118 Okami  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:22:49pm

re: #111 Mr. Hammer

Except now you're kind of defeating the point of insurance. You have to have everyone paying for things they won't need, because that's where the money comes from when you need help. It ultimately doesn't do anything to put everyone in their own little insurance pool, except make healthcare cheap for the healthy and prohibitively expensive for the sick.

119 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:23:17pm

re: #117 Gus 802

if nothing else, LGF exercises the Google-Fu.

120 Obdicut  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:23:41pm

re: #118 Okami

There is also almost nothing that you can be sure that you won't need coverage for.

121 Gus  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:24:16pm

re: #119 Decatur Deb

if nothing else, LGF exercises the Google-Fu.

Saw something about Rush Limbaugh considering himself an autism expert.

Only in America.

Plus he's the leader of the Republican Party.

122 shutdown  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:25:46pm

re: #111 Mr. Hammer

But Imp, from what I see, there are literally 1000's of mandates - for everything imaginable. And they vary from state to state. I'm not talking about taxes. or Medicare. We're talking about when you or I go to buy insurance and are forced to pay for coverage for things we will never need... Isn't that an issue worth taking a look at as a way of reducing the cost?

You are confusing multiple issues. Insurance by definition only works if some people end up paying for "protection" against a threat which never materializes. What you are saying is much closer to proposing that everybody pay for services they use, when they use them. That precludes the concept of insurance.

Not everything can be covered by insurance, for simple mathematical reasons. But real diseases and ailments which can be treated, and can be properly included in insurance coverage, should be. We live in one of the richest countries in history; so I won't buy a Bentley. Oh, well. That is simple human compassion, not socialism. Plus, if you look at it purely from the politics of power, healthy, content employed people are less likely to shoot at the rich.

Mandates are a fiscal/political mechanism to shove costs form one governmental entity to another. But in the end, the taxpayer always foots the bill. So mandates don't bug me as much as poor fiscal management overall.

123 Gus  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:28:03pm

re: #119 Decatur Deb

if nothing else, LGF exercises the Google-Fu.

I would say Republican, Sharron Angle, is taking her cue from Michael Savage. I'm pretty sure then that the wingnuts will fall into place and march in lock-step as they always do. Would be interesting to have someone ask Michael Steele for his opinion on this. Plus, there's also Reagan's old 11th Commandment. Truly this has become the party of lemming like kooks this year.

124 Mr. Hammer  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:34:08pm

re: #114 Obdicut

[Link: healthinsurance.about.com...]

125 Political Atheist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:36:51pm

re: #82 Obdicut

Is there a 3rd party candidate? Perhaps a green is sane...?

126 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:40:41pm

re: #125 Rightwingconspirator

Is there a 3rd party candidate? Perhaps a green is sane...?

Say "Ojoe" and click your heels 3 times.

127 Decatur Deb  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:42:31pm

BBL

128 Mr. Hammer  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:50:44pm

Here is an interesting article regarding the cost of mandated insurance coverage...
[Link: www.cahi.org...]

129 garhighway  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:55:04pm

re: #128 Mr. Hammer

Here is an interesting article regarding the cost of mandated insurance coverage...
[Link: www.cahi.org...]

The "Council for Affordable Health Insurance" might be the least reliable source for such information that you could possible find.

130 Mr. Hammer  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:55:11pm

From the above article:
"Autism is a brain disorder that affects three areas of development: communication, social interaction, and creative or imaginative
play. In the past, autism has fallen under the broader category of mental health, but one of the latest state legislative trends is to
pass a standalone autism mandate separate from mental health benefit mandates. To be clear, health insurance does and should
cover physical medical conditions faced by those with autism. In addition, it will usually cover many mental health conditions.
However, autism advocates are pushing to have health insurance required to cover areas that would be more accurately described
as education. We do not question the benefits of the various educational therapies for autism, and we certainly sympathize with
the financial plight of some families faced with significant new care-related expenses, but we do question whether some of the
therapies are within the scope of traditional health insurance."

I am guessing that this may be what Ms Angle is referring to by her statement that "...everything they want to throw at us is covered under "autism"..."

She may indeed be a horrible human being, but I don't think she was mocking people with autism.

131 Mr. Hammer  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:56:21pm

re: #129 garhighway

The "Council for Affordable Health Insurance" might be the least reliable source for such information that you could possible find.

It's just a list of mandates, and the opinion of the organization. Take it for what it's worth.

132 garhighway  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 12:57:03pm

re: #130 Mr. Hammer

From the above article:
"Autism is a brain disorder that affects three areas of development: communication, social interaction, and creative or imaginative
play. In the past, autism has fallen under the broader category of mental health, but one of the latest state legislative trends is to
pass a standalone autism mandate separate from mental health benefit mandates. To be clear, health insurance does and should
cover physical medical conditions faced by those with autism. In addition, it will usually cover many mental health conditions.
However, autism advocates are pushing to have health insurance required to cover areas that would be more accurately described
as education. We do not question the benefits of the various educational therapies for autism, and we certainly sympathize with
the financial plight of some families faced with significant new care-related expenses, but we do question whether some of the
therapies are within the scope of traditional health insurance."

I am guessing that this may be what Ms Angle is referring to by her statement that "...everything they want to throw at us is covered under "autism"..."

She may indeed be a horrible human being, but I don't think she was mocking people with autism.

With enough effort, you can indeed rearrange the crazy stuff Angle says into sentences and paragraphs that make sense. I'm guessing that you would have lots of words and letters left over, but I suppose that is irrelevant.

133 scienceisreal  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 1:06:29pm

My autistic sister no longer qualifies for my parent's insurance, and now we can't find anyone else that will cover her. It's taking everything in me to not punch my computer screen right now.

134 Henchman 25  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 1:11:36pm

Once again, as an autistic person whose condition has been interfering with my life as of late, fuck you Angle. GTFO my country.

135 Mr. Hammer  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 1:14:35pm

re: #133 scienceisreal

I feel for you. I have an autistic niece and nephew. In addition, I have several friends who have children or family members affected. We are active in and support Little Friends. I assume you know them already.

136 aorist  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 1:44:18pm

This story infuriates me to the point of seeing red. My wife is a teacher at a school for children with autism. Many of the students at the school have severe behavioral issues, including self injuring behavior. To see someone suggest that autism is somehow some made up condition in order to milk money from taxpayers makes me sick.

This woman has no soul.

137 mr. hammer  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 1:46:43pm

re: #136 aorist
With respect, I don't think she said that.

138 morrisab  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 2:26:43pm

re: #124 Mr. Hammer

[Link: healthinsurance.about.com...]

Did you even read that link you posted?

Which of these mandates do you object to? Go ahead, just pick one that you think should be allowed to be dropped. Adoptive children? That's not necessary. Let their birth family cover them for health insurance. Or reconstructive surgery after a mastectomy? You'll never need a mastectomy, right? And if your sister or wife or daughter needs one, well, why would she need surgery to help with scar tissue or reconstruction? That's just silly. She can buy a padded bra and pop some over the counter medication to help with the scar tissue pain. Or how about being allowed to let health insurance lapse while you're on FMLA leave? Everyone knows you don't need health insurance to cover your health care if you're on a leave of absence! You won't get sick or injured. How about the one dropping the requirement to continue coverage for a servicemember while s/he's called up for duty? S/he's got health care through the army while s/he's on active duty. Never mind that the family is not eligible if s/he's in the reserves. They won't get sick or injured while s/he's serving his country, because they're true patriots!

By the way, with regard to "education" benefits for autistic kids... that might be what she's calling it but it's not true. If you don't have the correct diagnosis - which often involves psychologists with education-related specialties - your kid doesn't get the right kind of treatment. It's an "education" benefit only in the broadest sense of the term. It's part of a good diagnosis for an effective treatment plan.

Federal Mandated Health Benefits

Federal law includes a number of insurance-related mandates.

COBRA continuation coverage
COBRA provides certain former employees and their dependents the right to continue coverage for a maximum of 18 to 36 months.

Coverage of adoptive children
Certain health plans must provide coverage to children placed with families for adoption under the same conditions that apply to natural children, whether the adoption has become final or not.

Mental health benefits
If a health plan covers mental health services, the annual or lifetime dollar limits must be the same or higher than the limits for regular medical benefits.

Minimum hospital stays for newborns and mothers
Under The Newborns’ and Mothers’ Health Protection Act of 1996, health plans may not limit benefits for any hospital length of stay related to childbirth for the mother or newborn child.

Reconstructive surgery after mastectomy
A health plan must provide someone who is receiving benefits related to a mastectomy with coverage for reconstruction of the breast on which a mastectomy has been performed.

Americans with Disabilities Act (ADA)
Disabled and nondisabled individuals must be provided the same benefits with regard to premiums, deductibles, limits on coverage, and pre-existing condition waiting periods.

Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA)
Requires an employer to maintain health coverage for the duration of a FMLA leave.

Uniformed Services Employment and Reemployment Rights Act (USERRA)
Gives an employee the right to continuation of health coverage under the employer’s health plans while absent from work due to service in the uniformed services.

Pregnancy Discrimination Act
Health plans maintained by employers who have 15 or more employees must provide the same level of coverage for pregnancy as for other conditions

139 Mr. Hammer  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 2:32:04pm

re: #138 morrisab

I never actually said that I objected to any mandates, did I?

I was responding to the assertion that Ms. Angle was "mocking health coverage for autism". I don't think she was. That is all.

140 ClaudeMonet  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 2:36:34pm

re: #82 Obdicut

No. It's just true. Reid sucks. Angle is crazy. Reid still sucks.

I would have rather had a sane GOP member elected than Reid re-elected, but this doesn't appear to be the year where there is such thing as a sane GOP member.

Rob Portman, the Ohio GOP senatorial candidate, is quite sane. John Kasich, the GOP gubernatorial candidate, is sane but incredibly greedy and possibly corrupt.

141 webevintage  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 2:46:43pm

The fact that people like Angle exist makes me sick at heart, the fact that they have a chance of running this country makes me weep when I think of the type of future my learning disabled son could have.

142 Mr. Hammer  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 2:55:30pm

re: #141 webevintage

The fact that people like Angle exist makes me sick at heart, the fact that they have a chance of running this country makes me weep when I think of the type of future my learning disabled son could have.

I am sorry for your son, but what has she said here that makes you worry for his future?

143 WINDUPBIRD DISEASE [S.K.U.M.M.]  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 3:01:26pm

re: #142 Mr. Hammer

I am sorry for your son, but what has she said here that makes you worry for his future?

because Republicans nowadays seem viciously opposed to health care reform, and Sharron "I'm a tool and completely ignorant on multiple levels" Angle is a great example of that

Let me tell you dude, as someone who has worked with dev. disabled people in health care for almost 15 years, Republicans at BEST are bad for disabled peoples' resources, and at worst they're outright hostile and dangerous to the dev. disabled population itself

144 Sionainn  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 3:10:46pm

re: #16 Lidane

I can't believe this woman is running neck and neck with Harry Reid. I mean, I know the guy's hated in Nevada, but do people really want to send this lunatic to the Senate in his place?

No. That's why I'm not voting for her. Reid is the only choice.

145 ihateronpaul  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 3:14:13pm

this makes me so bloodcurdlingly angry I don't even want to talk about it

146 garhighway  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 3:14:15pm

re: #139 Mr. Hammer

I never actually said that I objected to any mandates, did I?

I was responding to the assertion that Ms. Angle was "mocking health coverage for autism". I don't think she was. That is all.

You aren't opposed to mandates but you post an industry piece opposing mandates? (Calling them "100's of government mandates that drive the cost of insurance up...".)

You are working hard to carry water for Angle, the health insurance industry or both. Care to give us greater insight into your thinking?

147 Mr. Hammer  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 3:25:40pm

I don't give a rats rear end about Angle, and I don't claim any inside knowledge on this issue - other than the fact that I have to find a way every year to fund absurd medical insurance premium increases for my employees of as much as 20% some years. It's ridiculous and killing my business.

I simply watched the video, read the text, and came to a different conclusion about the supposed "mockery" of health insurance coverage for autism, and tried to point that out. I don't think Angle is mocking anything. I suspect that she is seeking an alternative to a government run health care system.

148 garhighway  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 3:29:21pm

re: #147 Mr. Hammer

I don't give a rats rear end about Angle, and I don't claim any inside knowledge on this issue - other than the fact that I have to find a way every year to fund absurd medical insurance premium increases for my employees of as much as 20% some years. It's ridiculous and killing my business.

I simply watched the video, read the text, and came to a different conclusion about the supposed "mockery" of health insurance coverage for autism, and tried to point that out. I don't think Angle is mocking anything. I suspect that she is seeking an alternative to a government run health care system.

I don't think she is mocking anything either. I think that the activity of mocking requires a higher level of self-awareness and intelligence than hers. I think she is in the "saying stupid shit" business, and has lucked out that she is doing that in a year when the GOP seems to want to reward people for saying stupid shit.

149 DrBoobooday  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 3:59:50pm

If I could point out one bright spot in Mrs. Angle's idiotic soundbite, it would be that little moment where she promised not to reproduce.

150 theheat  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 4:15:29pm

I remember back in the Clinton years, Rush talking about how ADD/ADHD was just some fancy liberal bullshit to coddle and enable kids that just needed more discipline, so some such ilk. Pissed me the hell off, as my nephew is ADHD, and it's a very, very real thing. These kids are wired differently; they think differently, they behave and react differently. Autism is no different: it's a very real thing. It isn't some made-up horseshit used by parents caught flat-footed with a "spoilt" terror on their hands.

But the party of Personal Responsibiliy™ wants to punish both the kids and the parents, much like they want to punish pregnant women, and gay people, with their unscientific and wholly unsympathetic world views. Heck, if it makes sense to them, and stays between the narrow lines they've drawn, it's all that matters.

Unless you want to terminate (read: kill! kill! kill!) or even prevent pregnancy, or if that "special" child of yours is up in front of one of Obama's death panels, these women and children are of no use to the GOP. Nossir, they're a burden. "Should'a thought a that before you fucked, so now you are fucked." That's the GOP mantra you can count on (unless that applies to protecting the environment, in which case the GOP's dominionist view fits all sizes).

If I had a penis, people like Angle and Rush could suck it. Like, all day long. Since I don't have one, they can kiss my white ass. My middle finger is just for them.

151 JRCMYP  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:04:52pm

Hearing a woman say--in all seriousness--that she wants maternity care or leave (not sure what she meant by that) taken off of health care coverage makes me want to kick her out of the Girl Club.

What an ass.

Hey Shar, I'm done having babies too! I had my last one 5 years ago. But you know what? If I have to pay $2 a year to make maternity health care coverage affordable for every woman in the US, I think it's a good idea. In fact, that might even make me REALLY pro-life, as in, I want the people who are actually alive--and want to bring to term their wanted pregnancies--to live!

152 JRCMYP  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:08:29pm

And I want to add, across the web, why the hell is autism getting so much coverage in this exchange when 1.) there are far more women who are planning, or are or will be pregnant every year than kids diagnosed with autism and 2. maternal care potentially effects half the human population of the US and 3. I thought she was all pro-lifey and whatever?

153 nines09  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 5:55:24pm

She couldn't be more clear. And after she straightens up this "Special Interest Mandate" on Autism she'll clear up a few more that "you" don't need. Her and her ilk are shills and cretins. Wonder what her next money saving scheme is going to be? Keep this horse toothed jackass talking.

154 HappyWarrior  Mon, Sep 27, 2010 6:33:36pm

I really hope this is what ruins her election chances. And gee I wonder where Palin is? If a Democratic candidate had mocked autistic kids, Sarah's be all over them like she was on Family Guy but no Sarah blindly defends her mama grizzlies. Seriously as an autistic American, I am sick of people like Angle acting like we're freaks and are a result of political correctness. My Asperger's makes me who I am.

155 krypto  Tue, Sep 28, 2010 9:10:55am

Having everyone just drop the coverages they don't expect to use won't work because it won't reduce the cost of medical care, but would at best only redistributes who pays what part of the cost, in a way contrary to what insurance is all about.

Assuming everyone guesses right about the coverage they need, the grand total that the insurance company has to pay in claims isn't reduced, the premiums still have to cover it all, and so whatever some people save by omitting coverage for some condition then has to be paid by the premiums of a smaller number of other people left with the coverage and they have to pay more to make up the difference. The average each person pays is the same, but the real change is that everyone have gaps in their coverage, along with the higher administrative costs to pay for managing all this. And of course it would just give insurance companies new ways to increase what they charge and to to vade claims payment.

And her other brilliant idea of allowing insurance companies to not cover routine preventative care except as they choose will obviously cost lives. I wonder what planet she's been living on if she imagines that insurance companies would decide something like that on the basis of what benefits their patients rather than their bottom line.


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Once Praised, the Settlement to Help Sickened BP Oil Spill Workers Leaves Most With Nearly Nothing When a deadly explosion destroyed BP’s Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in the Gulf of Mexico, 134 million gallons of crude erupted into the sea over the next three months — and tens of thousands of ordinary people were hired ...
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Texas County at Center of Border Fight Is Overwhelmed by Migrant Deaths EAGLE PASS, Tex. - The undertaker lighted a cigarette and held it between his latex-gloved fingers as he stood over the bloated body bag lying in the bed of his battered pickup truck. The woman had been fished out ...
Cheechako
4 days ago
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